pygioh, thats bad12:16
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pygiwb LasaerJock 12:21
LasaerJockdarn it, cbx33 left again12:21
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ogramdz, does the freeze take effect if the meeting begins as usual ? 12:50
ogracbx33 wanted to update some artwork ... thats why he was after you12:51
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sbalneavEvening all01:30
LaserJockhi sbalneav 01:35
sbalneavHey hey01:36
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LaserJockhola bddebian 01:57
bddebianBuenos Noches LaserJock01:57
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sbalneavogra: ping02:19
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sbalneavRichEd: ping02:23
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sbalneavEvening rodarvus!02:24
rodarvushi sbalneav!02:24
rodarvushow are you?02:24
sbalneavDoing good!  You?02:24
ograsbalneav, pong02:24
sbalneavogra: Got 5 minutes for a private chat?02:25
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Kamping_Kaiserany ltsp folk about? i'm wondering whast with ->   filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"; <- is that a relative dir from somewhere?03:24
Kamping_Kaiserah, looks like its relative to /var/lib/tftpboot/03:29
Kamping_Kaiserwhich istftpd-hpa's home. now it makes sence :)03:30
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joejaxx:( i do not know anyone here04:09
joejaxxwell actually i do :)04:09
joejaxxgnomefreak: hello04:10
joejaxxhmm interesting04:13
joejaxxis any...alive? haha04:14
sbalneavNeed a hand?04:14
joejaxxsbalneav: hello :)04:14
joejaxxsbalneav: i missed the meeting did i not?04:14
sbalneavMeetings are usually in #ubuntu-meeting04:14
joejaxxat what time?04:15
sbalneavDepends on who's meeting.  I'm not sure of the schedule, but I think it's on the fridge somewhere.04:15
joejaxxhmm i will have to look at that04:15
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cbx33mornin everbody07:31
highvoltagemornin' cbx33 07:32
cbx33how are you highvoltage 07:32
highvoltagedoing good07:32
highvoltagehow are you doing? things going well at the school?07:32
cbx33yesterday was utter &^*%07:33
cbx33today, well too early to tell07:33
cbx33school is going well I suppose07:33
cbx33can't wait to leave though07:33
cbx33brb......doing the dishes07:36
highvoltageit brings new meaning to the term 'school sux' :)07:40
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TeePOGmorning all07:46
TeePOGhi cbx33, RichEd, highvoltage, ogra, Kamping_Kaiser, nixternal07:47
TeePOGand everyone I missed07:47
nixternalwasabi! ;)07:47
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cbx33forgive me, typing with nose07:47
highvoltagehey TeePOG 07:48
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TeePOGHow do you know you're addicted to IRC? You sign on to freenode before checking mail :-D07:48
highvoltagecbx33: just don't sneeze07:48
TeePOGcbx33: did someone break your fingers for not paying your Mob debts?07:49
TeePOGag highvoltage, 'snot so bad to sneeze07:49
TeePOGtough crowd07:50
TeePOGping #edubuntu07:51
highvoltageTeePOG: not if you're typing with your nose!07:51
cbx33my hads had rubber gloves on07:52
cbx33I was washing up07:52
cbx33didn't think water and my keyboard would mix07:53
TeePOGbut how do you do ctrl and shift? left- and right nostrils move independently?07:53
cbx33no........I have to skip those07:53
TeePOGno you don't! that was a capital I!07:54
cbx33i have hands again07:54
TeePOGrubber gloves and all?07:55
cbx33heheh no07:55
cbx33I have removed them.....07:55
cbx33man do they stink :(07:55
TeePOGhmm, I'm sure you SAY it's for washing... but were you not really cutting up bodies or something?07:56
TeePOGthat would explain the stink07:56
cbx33wow TeePOG thanks......I don;t think I'ver ever been accused of being a butcher before :S07:56
TeePOGohhh, i thought that's what the "b" in cbx33 was for ^.^07:57
cbx33crafty butcher ;)07:57
TeePOGcollector, butcher, and executioner number 3307:57
TeePOGmob serial number07:57
cbx33TeePOG, you're scaring me....you seem to know a lot about this kinda thing ;)07:58
TeePOGi'm just very good at making up stories... plausibility, that's der bunny07:58
cbx33well cbx33 actually stands for an old counterstrike handle07:59
cbx33x was added for fun07:59
TeePOGi have no clue whether that which I just said, is based in fact07:59
cbx3333 .... I needed a number07:59
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TeePOGi see07:59
=== TeePOG is getting knoppix 5 off torrent, btw, if anyone's interested to sneakernet
cbx33i downloaded that the other day08:00
TeePOGit's awesome having uncapped ADSL08:02
TeePOGbesides, my ISP has a complete Ubuntu repo mirror08:02
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TeePOGthat was for other server, sorry08:07
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TeePOGmorning danielhedblom08:10
danielhedblomhi there08:11
TeePOGhow goes?08:12
danielhedblomnot very well08:16
danielhedblombut i never give up08:16
RichEdmorning all08:18
RichEdbusy with an MOU TeePOG but we can pick up a bit later08:18
TeePOGsure thing RichEd, i'm around08:19
TeePOGjust getting coffee, brb08:20
cbx33morin RichEd 08:24
cbx33see y'all later on08:24
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | Read before installing: http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuKnot3LTSPTesting
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cbx33moenin all09:11
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kihaiHi there, just a short question concerning the greeter that is shown for LTSP users. Does anyone know the keyboard shortcut for switching between languages (english-german)?09:13
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highvoltagekihai: I don't think the current greeter has that functionality. AFAIK it has only been introduced in the current development version09:34
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kihaihighvoltage: But some users somehow manage to unvoluntarily switch the language from german (preset) to english, but I have no idea which shortcuts they use..10:03
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TeePOGwb RichEd10:08
botxjis it me or did daylight savings time just hit?10:20
TeePOGdaylight just hit, period10:31
botxjit's still dark out10:34
TeePOGnot from where i'm sitting10:36
botxji'm in america10:39
TeePOGi'm in South Africa10:43
kihaiI'm in Germany10:43
TeePOGso you're already up kihai? got coffee yet?10:43
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botxji was born in kenya10:50
TeePOGthat's nice... in colonial days? or after?10:52
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botxji'm 20 years old11:12
botxjthat means i was born in modern times, not colonial11:18
TeePOGok cool11:24
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botxjheh, colonial, i thought you were being sarcastic11:24
botxjwhen you said that11:25
TeePOGi was only half joking... some ppl here are quite old11:26
TeePOGi mean, look at maddog hall... that guy knew Noah personally11:28
botxjheh, i'm glad i'm young11:31
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pygihey ho rodarvus 11:34
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rodarvushi pygi!11:34
TeePOGwb cbx3311:35
pygicbx33: mdz got back few minutes when you left yesterday :-/11:36
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cbx33hi pygi 11:50
pygihi cbx33 11:51
cbx33how is libburn11:51
pygiyou know, told you yesterday11:54
cbx33I wondered if there had been any progress.11:59
cbx33I fixed one of my bugs but I'm not sure how to fix the other one11:59
cbx33doy ou have a second?11:59
cbx33pygi: scp-client is run from Xsession.d from a startup script12:06
cbx33it should close when the user finishes their X session, but it's not12:06
cbx33is it because I don;t have any signal handling in the code?12:06
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saintsjdI am using an iopener for one of my ltsp clients.  The iOpener seems to be very slow when booting the ubuntu initrd image and doing its hardware detection. Is there any way that I could hardcode the detected hardware so that it is not done on the client each time it boots?  I am willing to build my own kernel and busy box if necessary.12:11
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danielhedblomfound my problem, the admin guy handling the DHCP is wrong12:17
danielhedblomehereal shows i get the wrong "next server"12:17
cbx33ping ogra 12:17
cbx33I have the first issue on SCP fixed12:17
cbx33Kamion said if we fix before TB it'll be fine12:18
cbx33I'm working on the second problem now12:18
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cbx33hi willvdl 12:19
danielhedblomethereal is really nice for troubleshooting PXE issues =)12:19
willvdlhey there12:19
cbx33ethereal is great all round12:19
TeePOGit is indeed one of the nicer pieces of OSS software12:20
cbx33ping rodarvus 12:23
rodarvuscbx33, pong12:23
cbx33got a quick question12:23
cbx33do you know how when an X session closes it stops the processes called in the /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ configs?12:23
cbx33I started my scp-client python script...but it;s not being killed when the session ends12:24
cbx33I thinking it is posibly sending it a signal12:24
cbx33but my script does handle signals yet12:24
rodarvusyes, I know, this is not an X related question, though :D12:24
rodarvusunix has a concept called 'process groups' - when the father of a process group (the process that spawned the others) die, all processes are sent a signal12:25
rodarvuscbx33, don't worry, I was just kidding ;)12:25
cbx33what signal12:25
rodarvusso, you are supposed to handle this signal, if you want to 'die' when your parent process does12:25
cbx33which I do12:25
cbx33which signal is it?12:25
rodarvusdude, I wish I had my APUE on my side12:26
rodarvusI think it is SIGHUP12:26
cbx33ok thanks rodarvus 12:26
cbx33APUE ?12:26
rodarvusAdvanced Programming in Unix Environment12:27
rodarvuscbx33, 'man 7 signal'12:27
rodarvusspecifically this part:12:27
cbx33thank you12:27
rodarvus       SIGHUP        1       Term    Hangup detected on controlling terminal12:28
rodarvus                                     or death of controlling process12:28
rodarvuscbx33, actually any reasonable Unix book as at least one chapter on signals - APUE is just (imho) the best unix book out ther12:29
willvdlrodarvus, what about SIGTERM? Does it not depend on how the process dies?12:31
rodarvuswillvdl, sigterm is sent when you want the process in question to die gracefully12:32
rodarvusit is sent (for all processes) by init, when the computer is being shutdown12:32
rodarvusif, then, your process ignores SIGTERM (and thus keeps running), init usually sends SIGKILL, which is not interruptable, and the kernel kills your process12:33
willvdlah. all coming back to me now12:34
rodarvusSIGHUP, on the other hand, is (by default) ignored, it is just useful if you want to know when your parent process died (such as the case for cbx33), or when you need to know when you lost a controlling terminal (ie, any calls to open/read/write/close to STDIN, STDOUT AND STDERR will fail)12:34
cbx33rodarvus: it seems as thought a SIGHUP should kill it anyway12:36
rodarvuscbx33, kill what, the child process?12:36
willvdlah. I thought the parent sent SIGTERM to the children.12:38
cbx33ok...it kills it12:38
cbx33but outputs some text on the screen12:38
cbx33well lemme try this and see what happens12:38
willvdlI remember there being an explanation in the Qt docs somewhere12:39
cbx33it dies....properly fro ma SIGHUP which it didn't do before12:39
cbx33but python spits out a keyboard interrupt message12:39
cbx33anyway to stop this?12:39
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willvdlhow are you killing it?12:47
cbx33see my code and then what happens when I kill it12:50
Kamping_Kaiserhi TeePOG :) (juust home again ;))12:51
cbx33rodarvus: hmm.....that didn't work12:53
cbx33guess it's not sending SIGHUP12:53
TeePOGwb Kamping_Kaiser12:53
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cbx33rodarvus: it seems dbus doesn't close itself either12:56
cbx33or bonobo, or gnome vfs12:57
Kamping_Kaiserogra, love the dapper ltsp installer, it roxors. just got a few things to work out myself now its installed :)12:58
cbx33rodarvus: any other ideas.....sorry to be a pain here01:01
cbx33it must not be sending signals at all01:02
rodarvuscbx33, hmm, hard to say01:02
rodarvusthis is the kind of problem that is hard to debug remotely01:02
cbx33sorry :(01:02
rodarvusand unfortunately I don't have much time to review your code today :/01:02
cbx33rodarvus: that's ok01:02
cbx33if you do get a sec the pastebin is there01:03
cbx33I have 3 hours to fix01:03
rodarvusdon't know if its going to be helpful, but lets try :)01:03
cbx33ogra said it needs to be in before beta freeze01:03
rodarvusyou *can* fix it later, but it would be nice to get it fixed now01:03
cbx33yes I know ;)01:03
cbx33I have fixed the first problem01:03
rodarvusbecause later you'll need approval to get your package uplaod01:03
cbx33this is the second01:04
cbx33is that pitti approval?01:07
cbx33rodarvus: I know why that didn't work01:15
cbx33because it's PPID is 101:15
cbx33not much chance of that getting killed when you log out01:15
rodarvuscbx33, no, release team approval01:16
rodarvuseither mdz or Kamion01:16
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cbx33ah ok01:17
cbx33I think Kamion already approved it ;)01:17
knixtechmorning all01:17
cbx33but that solves the mystery01:17
cbx33but doesn't help me01:17
cbx33are they told to quit?01:17
TeePOGafternoon knixtech :-)01:19
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knixtechha, afternoon01:20
knixtechwhat a crazy world01:20
Kamping_Kaiseranyone know a list of options for dappers ltsp.conf?01:20
Kamping_Kaiseror anywhere to look?01:20
knixtechas in the client side?01:20
rodarvuscbx33, he approved it to enter the archive01:20
rodarvussomeone on the release team needs to approve new uploads after the beta freeze01:21
rodarvusits a different kind of approval01:21
Kamping_Kaiserknixtech, the one that (i thought) goes in /etc/ltsp01:21
Kamping_Kaiseror for that matter, per-client configs if such a thing exists01:21
rodarvus*all* packages need approval to be upload after beta freeeze01:21
knixtechKamping_Kaiser, not sure on the per-client part, but go into the .conf and see what you can configure01:22
knixtechKamping_Kaiser, like sound and all?01:22
Kamping_Kaiserso yes :)01:23
Kamping_Kaiseri dont see an ltsp.conf in /etc/ltsp01:23
knixtechya, i read it on the getting started page01:23
knixtechlet me find the link for ya01:23
Kamping_Kaiserthanks mate :)01:23
knixtechat the bottom01:25
knixtechit sort of touches on it01:25
knixtechthe fine tuning part of it01:26
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Kamping_Kaiserthanks mate :)01:30
knixtechKamping_Kaiser, help ya?01:31
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Kamping_Kaisernot sure yet, just checked back here ;)01:31
Kamping_Kaiseryes, that will be very helpfull :D01:32
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Kamping_KaiserTeePOG, i dont see anything else in those clothes here ;P01:32
TeePOGahhhh, so they didn't deliver the Village People outfits today? hmmmmm01:32
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Kamping_Kaiser:S sorry mate01:33
Kamping_Kaiserbbs. moving alphaserver01:33
TeePOGi'm struggling with firestarter... any pointers? i'm connected directly to our router, the connection works... but dies as soon as I open firestarter01:34
Kamping_Kaiserthe firewall loads when you start firestarter01:35
Kamping_Kaiserwhat are you firewalling for? :) can you do it without firestarter?01:36
TeePOGno idea Kamping_Kaiser... general internet protection i guess...01:36
TeePOGbut i do want the p2p and other stuff to pass through01:36
TeePOGespecially IRC ^.^01:36
TeePOGi heard about guarddog, is it any good?01:37
knixtechTeePOG, you want a leet firewall?01:37
knixtechby itself, or on nix?01:37
TeePOGi want something keeping the Bad People out of my stuff01:37
Kamping_KaiserTeePOG, you only stop stuff coming in, not out :)01:38
TeePOGactually we have an IPCop box for the cybercafe01:38
knixtechpfsense or smoothwall are my favs01:38
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TeePOGi want this box to bypass ipcop completely, but not be insecure01:38
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Kamping_KaiserTeePOG, http://www.debian-administration.org/01:38
TeePOGKamping_Kaiser: please elucidate...?01:38
knixtechok, then install windows then,   shhhhh its opposite day ^_^01:38
Kamping_Kaiser'insecure' on a 0 ports open box is a bit paranoid :)01:38
Kamping_Kaiser^^ good link01:39
Kamping_Kaiseri have it on my boxes. if you want i can send you my firewall script01:39
Kamping_Kaiserits got a few open ports and whatnot you can copy if you want01:39
TeePOGsw33t Kamping_Kaiser01:40
Kamping_Kaiser /notice me your email if you want the script :)01:41
Kamping_Kaiseror i could pastebin i suppose01:41
jsgotangcohmm do we even have seeds for edubuntu edgy01:43
jsgotangcoi can barely grab amd6401:43
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ogracbx33, first thing you should add at the very top of the client code is something like:01:44
ograif not os.getenv('LTSP_CLIENT'):01:44
ogra    sys.exit(0)01:44
cbx33ogra: done01:44
cbx33first problem is fixed01:44
ograso it doesnt start for non ltsp sessions01:44
Kamping_KaiserTeePOG, http://pastebin.ca/17858201:44
ograsorry, i had to sleep some hours ...01:44
cbx33ogra: it's ok01:44
cbx33I'm trying to get this finshed up01:45
cbx33I've spoken to Kamion....he said if we get it done before TB meeting it'll be fine01:45
Kamping_KaiserTeePOG, it meantions variables - i took them out ;), it was breaking stuff, and i was busy01:45
cbx33and that artwork isn't so critical01:45
ograi guessed so, the meetings are usually the deadlines01:45
cbx33so I'm trying my hardest here01:45
cbx33my problem is that the process are not being killed01:46
cbx33even dbus and gnome-vfs are still running01:46
cbx33it's not just my scp-client process01:46
cbx33from what I can see01:46
cbx33I put in singal handler statments to handle a SIGHUP01:46
cbx33but it seems as if they are not being sent that either01:46
ogradoes your client go away if dbus vanishes ?01:46
cbx33my client does not depend on dbus at all....01:47
cbx33but I shall check that for you now01:47
cbx33hang on01:47
ograwell, it needs dbus 01:47
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TeePOGthanks Kamping_Kaiser01:48
ograeven though it needs the system bus ....01:48
Kamping_KaiserTeePOG, np :) ask if you need a hand01:48
cbx33yes...the way I have written it, it will start and wait for dbus to become available01:49
Kamping_KaiserTeePOG, o_001:49
TeePOGlol Kamping_Kaiser, jk01:49
ogracbx33, i was thinking to llok if a session bus is avaliable first ... but i'm not completely awake yet01:50
cbx33ogra: http://pastebin.ca/17858601:50
ograthen it wouldnt work on non dbus dependent windowmanagers ... so tht was not a good idea :)01:50
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cbx33that was after logging in and out on two clients01:51
ograthe dbus stuff there seems like a bug in the dbus-launcher01:51
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cbx33ogra: see ;)01:52
ogragnome-vfs and bonobo should both die without dbus ...01:52
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cbx33so ogra what do we do01:53
TeePOGtell me, is there no option to get webmin on ubuntu?01:54
ogracbx33, give me some time to wake up ... i would justify the dbus stuff as RC and i think i can convince mdz that it is :) so lets concentrate on the scp-client ...01:56
cbx33sorry ogra 01:57
ogradont feel sorry all the time :)01:57
ograwe're at a good status ...01:58
ograi fixed most of the artwrok stuff (i think)01:58
cbx33really ?01:58
ograltsp is in shape ...01:58
cbx33dude you rock......01:58
cbx33I'm really sorry about yesterday...just so many things went wrong01:58
ograno its fine ... 01:58
cbx33guinea pig , computer, lisas pc.....grrr01:58
Kamping_Kaiserits in the repos. why?01:59
ogragdm needed something ... i hope my theme is bearable 01:59
ograi did it this morning around 4am and couldnt even look out of my eyes anymore 01:59
ograbut minor changes will be allowed01:59
ograso we have a base to work on01:59
ograldm has a new theme as well02:00
cbx33ok, I'm sure it will be more than bearable02:00
cbx33when you said there was feedback on the artwork...I thought you meant people hated it02:00
ograupgrade and give feedback ;)02:00
cbx33as you dissapeared after that02:00
cbx33ok....upgrading now02:00
cbx33oh, I tried to install and use edubuntu from the CD current today02:01
cbx33had a problem with tftp02:01
cbx33is that know about?02:01
ograwe somehow turned into "yellow ubuntu" with all this orange and yellow in the themes02:01
ograi'll rsync my isos now, havent looked yet02:01
cbx33it was a fresh install done exactly how I normally do it....02:01
cbx33I'll upgrade and checkout the new artwork02:01
ograbut if it keeps us from installing correctly, its a release critical bug :)02:02
ogradid you find out what the tftp prob was ? 02:02
cbx33no....I'm going to upgrade and check it out again02:02
cbx33I am here testing it as we speak02:02
ograwhat was the symptom ?02:03
cbx33it said it couldn't load bootfile02:03
ogradid you check if /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 is filled ? 02:03
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ograand was that a plain new install or an upgrade ? 02:04
cbx33plain install from the 21 cd.....02:04
cbx33was from the live cd02:04
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ograthats not supposed to have any ltsp bits02:04
cbx33sorry dude02:04
cbx33didn't mean to worry you02:04
cbx33wish I'd have known02:04
ograit never was :)02:05
cbx33oh poop02:05
cbx33ogra: so what is left to change on scp-client?02:05
cbx33apart from the simple fix02:05
ograand i must admit i never really cared heavily for the liveCD  ... its a nice to have ... but my main focus is the install cd02:05
cbx33I found a bug in ubiquity yesterday....hope it's fixed in edgy02:06
ograwell, we need to find out why these processes are left hanging around ...02:06
cbx33I couldn't select a swap partition02:06
cbx33they are not getting sent a signal to close.....or if they are I don;t know what signal it is02:06
ograwell, the ldm code mdz wrote back then is somewhat half breeded, you usually dont use kill $PPID 02:07
ograthe right way would be to have PreSession.d and PostSession.d dirs on the server for ldm ... but thats edgy+1 material 02:08
TeePOGdon't you love it when support people are fscking useless?02:08
cbx33ogra: right....02:08
ograso lets find te cleanest workaround for it :)02:08
cbx33inthe meantime02:08
cbx33I was thinking when it starts up....could we grab it's parent ID02:08
cbx33then if that gets killed......kill ourself?02:08
ografor scp ? 02:09
ograsounds good02:09
cbx33hmm....the only thing is02:09
cbx33sitting there checking for a running process every...??how long02:09
cbx33isn't that going to introduce lag?02:09
cbx33it would be nice to have some kind of signal handler for it....but I'm not advanced enough at python to do it..02:10
cbx33only way I know how is a gobject timer.....or.....what about a thread?02:10
cbx33pygi.....if you know of a better way please shout :p02:10
Kamping_Kaiserhow bizare. 2 (i thought) identical boxes, both connect to same server, one drops to dash, one boots to login screen o_002:12
pygicbx33: what? when? what?!02:13
cbx33hehe....read up...02:13
cbx33I need to poll at regular intervals to see if my parent process has been kill....and if so..commit suicide02:13
cbx33what's the best way to run the poller inpython?02:13
cbx33the only way I have used is a gboject time02:14
cbx33but could a thread do it?02:14
cbx33what do you suggest?02:14
pygicbx33: can't we make that a parent process report itself (its status) to a children  when it's shutting down?02:15
cbx33unfortunately not this time round02:15
cbx33we have to make our changes to scp....02:15
cbx33that will be addressed in due time02:15
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pygiah,  oki, then what you and ogra said above is fine by me02:16
pygijust choose some sane interval02:16
cbx33and use gboject?02:16
cbx33for the timer?02:16
pygiyou can, yes02:16
cbx33I'll try that out now02:17
pygibut for edgy+1 we should do it the way I suggested above02:17
cbx33we have already thought of that02:17
pygigood, that means I was completely useless now :)02:17
cbx33going afk for a while to finish this off and to test it02:17
cbx33no it doesn't02:18
pygigo finish it :)02:18
cbx33I will02:18
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pygihey ho Yagisan 02:21
YagisanG'day pygi02:21
pygiwhat's up? :)02:21
Yagisanpygi, upgrading to edgy02:22
cbx33Yagisan: I now have a 4200 X2 AMD processor ;)02:22
Yagisanwatching system have "issues"02:22
pygiYagisan: ehm, ehm :)02:22
Yagisancbx33, need a mailing address to ship it too :P02:22
pygicbx33: you bought that so you could run Windows under Xen, admit it, admit it :)))02:22
cbx33I bought it so I can do quicker beta testing and more dev work ;)02:23
YagisanI mean, come on - "ILLEGAL EXTENDED X86 OPCODE" messages from the kernel can't be right02:23
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pygiYagisan: lol, indeeed02:23
cbx33unfortunately, my nice new GeForce 7300 GT OC - is recognised by dapper as an ATI card02:23
pygiyup, you told that yesterday02:24
pygiogra: I released libburn 0.2.2 yesterday :)02:26
cbx33ogra: that new artwork is Seeeeexxyy! 02:27
cbx33you rock02:27
pygiHopefully we'll be able to base our implementation on 0.2.4 tho ^_^02:27
cbx33Bon Echo?02:29
pygicbx33: ? :)02:30
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lguerraogra ping02:31
cbx33firefox is now called bon echo....according tto my new edgy upgrade ;)02:32
pygicbx33: ah, yes02:33
pygiand 3.x is something bomb related, forgot what exactly02:34
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pygijsgotangco: hehe :)02:34
lguerrahighvoltage you give me some minutes in #ubuntu-cl?  02:37
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pygiwb Burgwork 02:41
lguerraMy English very is not flowed and wanted to speak you about the translation of the drupal without bothering the other people02:41
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TeePOGhi again02:42
ogralguerra, pong02:43
lguerrahi ogra02:44
lguerraogra, you give me some minutes in #ubuntu-cl? My English very is not flowed and wanted to speak you about the translation of the drupal without bothering the other people02:45
ograi have nothing to do with drupal/webpage issues ...02:45
ograpips1 woud be your best bet for that i think02:46
lguerraand about other matters that I have in Colombia and itself not to whom to resort02:46
jsgotangcoregarding edubuntu???02:47
ograas long as its related to ltsp, the CD isos or edubuntu packages i can help you ... but beyond that others come in02:48
lguerraIn Colombia is celebrated in the UCPR the symposium of enseabilidad of the informatica and for this ocasion they have invited us.  The university this interested in which we show something and that we carry some people that speak about its experiences with software free.  02:49
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lguerrajsgotangco, yes02:50
cbx33ogra: done :D02:50
lguerratranslation is about drupal's edubuntu02:51
ogracbx33, dnoe ? 02:51
cbx33I'll send you the files in an email02:51
jsgotangcolguerra: we don't have the translation modules built in i think02:51
cbx33that's what I said isn't it ;)02:51
ograyou mean it dies with the session now ? 02:51
cbx33it should do02:51
ogracbx33, you rock ! :)02:51
cbx33just about to test it02:51
lguerrajsgotangco, http://www.ubuntu-cl.org/Wiki/TraduccionEdubuntuOrg/PaginasPorTraducir please02:52
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lguerrahighvoltage had knowledge of the theme02:53
highvoltageI deny having knowledge of anything!02:54
highvoltagehi lguerra :)02:54
lguerrahi highvoltage02:54
lguerraahhhhhhhh me da piedra no hacerme entender :(02:54
lguerraP3L|C4N0, me puedes ayudar?02:54
highvoltagejust got back at the office, okay I'll join #ubuntu-cl02:55
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willvdlhighvoltage, habla espanol?02:57
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willvdlola RichEd02:58
RichEd1) where's the doc overview page you did ? the theory ?02:58
RichEdand 2) is there an advocay wiki review page ?02:59
willvdl1) is on canonical wiki under WillVanDerLeij02:59
willvdl2) not as far as I can tell.03:00
willvdlHaven't put anything in since I wanted to give you a chance to look around after yesterday's meeting and last night's wiki session03:00
RichEdAre you happy that the WillVanDerLeij moves to wiki.ubuntu ?03:01
willvdlabsolutely. needs an update anyway03:01
RichEdOr would you like to do a trim version ?03:01
willvdlwhere do you want to put it?03:01
RichEdcheck this out ... https://wiki.edubuntu.org/education and follow the planning link at the bottom of the page03:01
willvdllooked at it this morning03:02
willvdllooking again quick03:02
willvdlew. slow today03:02
RichEdnot at all the same as this morning ...03:03
willvdlooh, quite a bit more03:03
highvoltagewillvdl: no igualar una palabra 03:04
cbx33ogra: dude it works....03:04
cbx33and I think it is a pretty sexy workaround ;)03:04
cbx3310 second poller 03:04
cbx33I'll get the files to you asap03:04
ograi'll upload them :)03:04
willvdlRichEd, I've been torn between wanting to:03:05
RichEdI'm busy with the profiling page now ... == Focus Point #1  == Initiative #1 03:05
willvdla) have it in edubuntu wiki03:05
willvdlb) in ubuntu marketing space03:05
RichEd-> Advocacy will be under == Focus Point #2  == Initiative #2 == Exercise #1 03:06
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ograpygi, CONGRATS !03:06
RichEdwillvdl: I think you overall thinking page must come into our plan under : Focus Point #2 * Make contact with our Users and Stakeholders  03:07
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RichEdIt shows how the exercise fits with the top level objectives03:08
willvdlthinking on this03:08
RichEdThe "work product" that results msut move to marketing ... but the planning is ours to give it focus ?03:08
willvdltrue. kinda like a roadmap03:09
RichEdyep ... it's emerging nicely ... all initiatives or exercises must fit with a target objetive03:09
RichEdGetting a sarmie & koffie ... have a read and I'll get back  here in 503:10
willvdlfp#2 - i#2 includes ALL documentation? handbook, advocacy, support etc?03:10
willvdlThe big question is where to put what :)03:10
RichEdforums, web sites, mail lists03:11
RichEdReview Channels of Comunication = superset03:11
pygithanks ogra ^_^03:11
RichEdDocumentation = sub set03:11
RichEdPrinted Documentation = sub sub set03:11
pygicongrats cbx33 also :)03:11
RichEdweb Documentation = sub sub set03:11
pygiogra: we've got packages in universe, wheee :)03:11
willvdlaha. quick phone call. back in 503:12
ograso there should be plenty of testing during edgy that will bring us libburn love in edgy+1 ;)03:12
pygiogra: indeed, but for edgy+1 we'll have much better rewritten libburn with new features ^_^03:13
pygiprobably that is, I can't be sure :)03:13
pygibut all in all, it should be nice :)03:13
pygiwe'll have (I hope) at least libburn 0.2.4 ready for edgy+103:14
pygilibburn 0.3.1 (the rewrite) won't make it on time I'm afraid probably03:14
pygiogra: you should make people test libburn, hehe :)03:14
ograi will :)03:16
cbx33ogra: just pbuilding03:17
cbx33I have tested here....03:17
cbx33it should be fine03:17
cbx33if you have an LTSP environment...I would really appreciate a quick test03:17
cbx33I sdon;t have one here03:17
ograhave a look at /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/qemu-ltsp ;)03:19
ograyou dont need a client 03:19
ograwe have virtualization now 03:19
cbx33well put it this way....that's what my new machine at home is for03:20
cbx33I'm at work yet03:20
cbx33i'll be going home soon03:21
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pygiogra: yay, nice :)03:21
TeePOGpersonally I use VMWare player03:23
pygicbx33: we should hold BOF on future SCP development if we both manage to go to UDS (/me very much doubts about himself tho :P)  ^_^03:23
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pygihey bddebian ;)03:25
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bddebianMorning pygi03:27
pygilibburn in universe ^_^03:27
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bddebianpygi: I just saw the upload.  Nice! :-)03:27
pygiuh, Ante messed description for libburn-doc :)03:29
pygihow can a documentation be a library ^_^03:30
pygiah, well :)03:31
willvdlRichEd, minor point but we should make education -> Education03:32
Yagisanthanks to whoever put the dnsmasq sample in the docs03:33
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Yagisanyou made my migration easier :)03:33
cbx33ok i made a mistake I need some help quick03:33
RichEdwillvdl: ? you mean the page name ? capitalised ?03:33
cbx33from a ps output....03:33
cbx33i need the first number03:33
cbx33ie the id number03:33
cbx33my problem is they sometimes start with a space03:34
cbx33with grep how can I specify anumbver of spaces03:34
cbx33like grep "^(anynumber ofspaces) 987" 03:34
cbx33is it possible03:34
willvdlit is, something like (^W.03:35
pygibddebian: you on edgy right now?03:35
cbx33willvdl: nothin03:36
Kamping_Kaiserhttps://wiki.edubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams <-anyone else get a security warning?03:36
willvdlmy regexp is rusty03:36
Kamping_Kaiserand should that be com or org?03:36
willvdlmaybe need to specify regexp on commandline to grep?03:36
RichEdwillvdl: explain your view of the case & naming convention ... to me wiki.ubuntu.com/education could be a page, or a subdirectory loading a default page inside.03:37
rodarvusKamping_Kaiser, yes, you are supposed to get a security warning if you use edubuntu.com03:37
rodarvususe edubuntu.org03:37
rodarvusor ubuntu.com03:37
Kamping_Kaiserrodarvus, not if you visit ubuntu.com actually - hte cert is made to the rigth site03:37
rodarvus(rationale: we have a certificate for edubuntu.org, the official domain, but not for edubuntu.com03:37
cbx33oh no03:37
cbx33that' snot it03:38
knixtechha you said "snot"03:38
pygiknixtech: !?03:38
cbx33knixtech: lol - but now is not the time03:38
RichEdso I felt it was better to use a standard convention, and not just a wiki subset view ... users may be used to other url formats,and I myself would never mix cases when I type in a url ...03:38
Kamping_Kaiseranother question (same page https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams ) - are all these understood by dapper or edgy? the dapper link has bugger all options03:39
ograthey are from breezy03:40
ograi'll set up a new page for edgy that will list the tons of new options we have now03:40
cbx33got it03:40
ograbut all of them should be understood by dapper as well 03:40
Kamping_Kaiserthanks ogra , i'll try using them.03:41
ograits just that dapper adds new ones, but we didnt drop the breezy ones03:41
juliuxogra, my knot3 edubuntu installation hangs all the time during building ltsp chroot03:41
ograjuliux, can you check on tty4 what its doing 03:41
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ograit will time out after ~5-10min03:42
juliuxok i will wait03:42
ograi wasnt aware its still there, will look into it03:42
ogracan you file a but and assign it to me ? 03:42
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ograso i can mark it as release critial03:42
juliuxno its going on03:42
willvdlSorry RichEd, I'll pop it in a mail03:43
willvdlwas on phone03:43
RichEdmsg window is fine 03:43
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juliuxogra, which package should i use ?03:44
Kamping_Kaiseris the file case sensitive?03:44
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lguerrahighvoltage, ping03:47
juliuxogra, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/portmap/+bug/61668 i cannt assige it to you03:48
lguerrahighvoltage, my email is lguerra80@gmail.com, sorry03:48
juliuxogra, if found the assign to option;)03:49
cbx33ogra: i had a problem03:49
cbx33just testing03:50
juliuxyes the next stop, the installer tries to search on the mirror but i have no internet connection ;)03:53
cbx33ogra: sent03:55
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lguerrajsgotangco: When it would be able to know that sucedo with that business about the official recognition for the girls of the school?  03:57
cbx33ogra: does it look ok?03:59
ograurgh ... you should have made it a -0ubuntuX version04:01
ograto indicate we only fix bugs on top of the upstream version04:02
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pygiogra: aren't we the upstream in this case? :)04:02
ogramy mistake ... indeed we are04:03
sbalneavMorning ogra. 04:03
pygihey sbalneav, libburn is universe ^_^04:03
sbalneavCommenting out the kill -HUP esd did indeed fix the problem.04:03
sbalneavpygi: Congrats!  Are you a motu now?04:04
ograsbalneav, yeah04:04
sbalneavogra: Anything else you need me to test/help with?04:04
pygisbalneav: nah, not my package, I just bugged people :) Told you I can't be motu before I get my keys signed04:04
ograsomehow the ubuntu and debian versions behave differently wrt -HUP04:05
ograsbalneav, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/portmap/+bug/61668 04:05
sbalneavogra: sound still works when a different user logs in?04:05
ograif oyu have an idea how to make netstat timeout faster, that would be very helpful04:05
ograsbalneav, i would think so ... havent tested ...04:05
sbalneavk, gimme a minute to read the bug.04:06
ograelse we need to properly stop and then start it again from ldm 04:06
sbalneavHow are you calling the netstat?04:06
ograno idea04:06
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ograthe postinst of portmap does it04:06
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sbalneavThey're probably calling like -ap instead of anp and it's trying to do a DNS lookup.04:07
Kamping_Kaiseris X_MOUSE_DEVICE implimented yet? :S i might need it for a serial mouse04:09
sbalneavKamping_Kaiser: yes, it should preseed that setting.04:09
ograKamping_Kaiser, yes04:09
ograbut it doesnt preseed it 04:10
ograan i think inputattach (what we use to map it to /dev/input/mice) needs the protocol in any case04:10
Kamping_Kaiserdoes it take /dev/ or 'ps2' type argument?04:10
ograps2 is autodetected04:11
ograit takes /dev/ttySX and the protocol04:11
ograman inputattach should show all protocols it knows04:12
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ogracbx33, scp-client doesnt start for me in ltsp04:14
ograKamping_Kaiser, well, our use of inputattach as backend isnt documented very well04:14
cbx33ogra: whaaaa?04:15
cbx33LTSP_CLIENT should be equal to ltsp right ?04:15
Kamping_Kaiserogra, i havent looked at much doco yet, - the install worked so well i havent had to untill just now (i'm trying to get 'perfect' boot happening for me)04:15
cbx33it was on dapper04:15
ograjust check if its not empty04:15
ograit was set to the hostname of the client 04:16
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ograwhich in dapper defaulted to ltsp04:16
cbx33ok, I have 10 minutes04:16
cbx33then have to leave and my laptop is shutdown....04:17
cbx33I'll do my best dude04:17
ograif not os.getenv('LTSP_CLIENT'):04:17
ogra    sys.exit(0)04:17
cbx33sorry 04:17
ogra^^^ that *should* work04:17
cbx33can u try it quickly there?04:18
cbx33then I can rebuild pacakge04:18
sbalneavogra: I'm going to tear apart the portmap package now, see what it's up to.04:18
ograsbalneav, ta04:19
Kamping_Kaiserthanks for that folks. got plenty to search up tomorrow :)04:20
Kamping_Kaiseri'll see you then :)04:20
ogracbx33, the above code seems to work04:20
cbx33just rebuiding04:20
ograjust tested it04:20
cbx33you're AMAZING ! !!04:20
ograsbalneav, gah, doesnt work for the second user, youre right04:21
sbalneavk, we've got a patch to apply for that.04:23
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sbalneavIt's some kind of whacky authentication mechanism that ESD tries to use.04:23
sbalneavSo, you can either apply the patch, or, I suppose, kill and restart esd, whichever is easiest for you to sneak in.04:24
RichEdsbalneav: I missed your ping last night ... give me a holler when and if you still want to chat :)04:24
pygiRichEd: when do we continue? :)04:25
cbx33ogra: ignore email.....did redo the orig . tar04:27
juliuxcbx33, great sound during the edubunut start!04:27
RichEdpygi: I've made a wiki home for the overall planning exercise ... and the country profile is the next activity to add for discussion after I do the user categories ... give me a few minutes to wrap up a conversation and I will share with you04:28
cbx33ogra: done and dusted04:29
cbx33I have to go home04:29
cbx33ty juliux 04:30
cbx33needs polish04:30
pygiRichEd: uh, I won't be here in few mins :(04:31
pygigotta run now04:31
RichEdokay tomorrow then ...04:32
RichEdstill busy04:32
juliuxhm there is no timeout on the dapper cd04:32
cbx33bye all04:32
juliuxcu cbx33 04:33
sbalneavogra: What version of portmap's in edgy?04:33
ograogra@edubuntu:~/devel/edgy-ltsp$ apt-cache show portmap|grep Version04:34
ograVersion: 5-2004:34
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rodarvusI think portmap 5 is used by all linux distributions since seven or eight years ago04:48
rodarvus(but I might be wrong, of course)04:48
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cbx33hey !04:49
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cbx33ogra: are we good on that package now?04:49
cbx33willvdl: any news on ESA?04:50
willvdlhave a look at RichEd's planning https://wiki.edubuntu.org/education04:51
willvdlhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/education/planning rather04:52
willvdlfp #2 is the meat for us04:52
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cbx333right, I'm off.....bbl, hopefully on my new PC, if it doesn't think my new graphics card is an ATI again04:55
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cbx333did anyone see that mail on the ML about meeting notes/minutes ?04:55
cbx333erk....time to go04:55
sbalneavogra: I can't see where portmap's doing a netstat.  it IS doing an rpcinfo -p, but only after portmap starts.  Maybe, because of the chroot, portmap doesn't start, because it IS already running on the host machine, and this causes the problem?05:01
ograhmm, might be05:02
ograso we should be fine if we add a check for /etc/ltsp_chroot and dont do the rpcinf run then05:02
sbalneavAnd therefore, the rpcinfo sits and hangs.05:03
ogracan you find out *why* it needs that rpcinfo call ? does anything break if we remove it ?05:03
sbalneavYes, that would work.  Hold on, let me check.05:03
ogra(hint) edit /var/cache/dpkg/info/portmap.postinst and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure portmap to test it ;)05:04
ograsorry, the dev meeting started, freeze is in progress now ... need to attend05:04
ograsbalneav, you might want to lurk and correct me if i say something wrong about the hackfest ;)05:04
sbalneavI've got my own meeting to attend to in 20 minutes, but I'll lurk as long as I can.05:05
ograok, thanks 05:05
sbalneavogra: As far as I can see, it's just printing out status information.  It's at the bottom of the postinst file.05:05
sbalneavI'd just hoze it, personally.05:05
sbalneavIn -meeting now.05:06
ograit wasnt there in dapper 05:06
ograportmap is actually not installed in a chroot05:07
ograits installed on the server side as dependency of nfs-kernel-server05:07
lguerraogra: You consider that is possible to reuse some plot VERY old to mount a laboratory with edubuntu for a school of basica primary?  You plot them do not they exceed pentium 10005:12
ograwith edgy something like PI 133Mhz with at least 32MB ram should work as ltsp clients05:12
lguerraogra: DD is obligatory?05:14
ograDD ?05:14
sbalneavogra, i have to run off to my own meeting now.05:19
sbalneavI'll be back later.05:20
ograthanks for the help :=05:21
lguerraogra: HD sorry, i think in spanish Disco Duro :P05:26
ograltsp clients dont need a disk, no05:27
ograbut they need to be able to netboot and you need one powerful server05:27
ograits perfect for such kind of hardware05:27
lguerraogra: ok, i can test the edgy at this lab and report bugs05:28
ograthat would be great ! :)05:28
lguerraWhere I can obtain a manual of installation of edgy (and edgy iso cd images) or is identical to dapper?  05:30
ogranope, its different .... best would be to wait for tomorrows iso, we did some major bugfix work today that will be included there05:31
ograisos are at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/05:31
lguerraoks, 05:32
ogra20060922 will contain todays fixes05:32
ogramake sure the server has two network cards, then everything should work automagically05:32
willvdlping highvoltage05:33
lguerraogra, i need start the clients with floppy, any special image?05:34
ograa netbootable one ;)05:34
ogralguerra, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPBootingClientsWithoutPxe05:37
lguerraogra: tks05:39
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willvdlcheers all. see you in the morning06:30
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EmxBAhi 07:21
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paolobHi ogra! what about the package gnome-power-manager with the no-hibernate patch? is it available? thank you!08:03
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sbalneavogra: ping, still awake?08:04
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cbx33hi all08:59
cbx33quick question...I'm just about to finish installing my shiney new dapper system09:00
cbx33hey LaserJock 09:00
cbx33can I just copy my home area fro mthe old one, so that things like thunderbird etc are all setup09:00
cbx33LaserJock: hi dude09:00
LaserJockwhat were using before?09:00
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cbx33my proc and mobo died09:01
cbx33I hve just bought a new one09:01
cbx33well birthday present09:01
cbx33AMD 4200 X2 :D09:01
cbx33my virtual machines should fly now ;)09:01
cbx33anyone still here?09:03
LaserJockI think it would be fine09:03
cbx33do I have to do something to get dual core working?09:03
cbx330000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0393 (rev a1) my new graphics card isn't supported09:04
cbx33just resdtaring now09:04
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cbx33hey I'm back09:09
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cbx33do I have to do anything special to get dual core working?09:12
Burgworkcbx33, shouldn't09:14
BurgworkLaserJock, ok, that boys and girls club computer survey is pretty funny09:14
cbx33Burgwork, thanks09:14
cbx33anyway I can confirm its using both cores?09:14
cbx33and to setup my new nvidia card 09:15
RondomBurgwork: I also want to laugh09:15
Burgworkno diea09:15
cbx33do I just apt-get install nvidia-glx?09:15
BurgworkI think so09:16
gnomefreakthats the driver09:16
cbx33i need the kernel module too right?09:17
cbx33and then run the enable thingy09:17
gnomefreakcbx33: change the X config file to use nvidia09:17
cbx33you recommend doing that manually?09:17
gnomefreakcbx33: no need for the enable thing09:17
gnomefreakcbx33: dapper the enable command was hit or miss09:17
cbx33last time it made my xorg config think I had an ATI card seriously09:17
gnomefreakim kind of liking xorg-edit09:18
gnomefreak3rd aprty crap though09:18
gnomefreakits a pretty gui for your xorg.conf file09:19
Burgworkhowever, it exposes too much of the xorg.conf in the UI09:21
Burgworkit doesn't really deal with the issue09:21
LaserJockBurgwork: what survey?09:23
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BurgworkLaserJock, you on edubuntu-devel?09:25
LaserJocklet me go look09:26
cbx33Burgwork, hahaHAHAHA09:26
cbx33wow add a good deal of profanity and that's what our schools result would be09:27
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cbx33sorry Burgwork 09:28
Burgworkno worries09:28
cbx33well, someone said if I do cat /proc/cpuinfo I should see 2 cpus09:29
cbx33I don;t09:29
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cbx33#I'm back !!!!09:35
cbx33so LaserJock you think just copying my home across should work?09:35
LaserJocksure, why not?09:36
LaserJockI do it all the time09:36
cbx33heheh ok09:36
cbx33they are both pretty much upto date09:36
LaserJockI used to do it distro to distro09:36
cbx33ok cool09:37
cbx33I have nvidia working09:37
cbx33last thing is this kernel business09:37
YagisanSetting up ltspfs (0.4.3-0ubuntu1) ...10:07
Yagisandpkg: error processing ltspfs (--configure):10:07
Yagisan subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 110:07
YagisanKnown bug ??10:07
sbalneavYagisan: Hm10:13
sbalneavltspfs or ltspfsd?10:13
sbalneavCould you file a bug?10:14
sbalneavI'll have a look at it tonight.10:14
Yagisansbalneav, can't right now (I'm suppossed to be in an exam)10:16
sbalneavWhen you get a chance, that'd be great.10:16
Yagisansbalneav, it's Bug #6173810:20
sbalneavGot it10:21
sbalneavHopefully we'll have an update tomorrow.10:21
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Yagisansbalneav, thanks mate10:27
Yagisansbalneav, this worries me more -> jamie@doomguy:~/COIT12170_Data_Comms$ *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin terminated10:27
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cbx33hi LaserJock 11:44
pygicbx33: !!!11:44
cbx33hey pygi 11:44
pygihi cbx33, how is you?11:45
pygifixed everything? :)11:45
cbx33i did indeed11:45
pyginice, congrats11:45
cbx33can I mount an lvm disk from within ubuntu11:46
cbx33I have a disk which has some stuff on it11:46
cbx33and I need to get it off11:46
cbx33it was written as an lvm group11:46
cbx33dude this new PC IS DA BOMB !!!!!12:03

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