[12:16] oh, thats bad === Laser_away is now known as LasaerJock [12:21] wb LasaerJock [12:21] darn it, cbx33 left again === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === LasaerJock is now known as LaserJock [12:50] mdz, does the freeze take effect if the meeting begins as usual ? [12:51] cbx33 wanted to update some artwork ... thats why he was after you === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === jono [n=jono@88-107-0-133.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu === vonkleist [n=gcontrer@148.233.33.113] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:30] Evening all [01:35] hi sbalneav [01:36] Hey hey === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [01:56] Howdy [01:57] hola bddebian [01:57] Buenos Noches LaserJock === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu [02:19] ogra: ping === nixternal is now known as RichJ [02:23] RichEd: ping === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [02:24] Evening rodarvus! [02:24] hi sbalneav! [02:24] how are you? [02:24] Doing good! You? [02:24] sbalneav, pong [02:25] ogra: Got 5 minutes for a private chat? === e1mer [n=elmer@58.71.14.245] has joined #edubuntu === knixtech [n=stormcha@c-68-80-182-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === degree [n=jim@ip70-177-71-16.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === degree [n=jim@ip70-177-71-16.ok.ok.cox.net] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] === knixtech [n=stormcha@c-68-80-182-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] [03:24] any ltsp folk about? i'm wondering whast with -> filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"; <- is that a relative dir from somewhere? [03:29] ah, looks like its relative to /var/lib/tftpboot/ [03:30] which istftpd-hpa's home. now it makes sence :) === \etc\bin [n=elmer@58.71.14.245] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@unaffiliated/joejaxx] has joined #edubuntu [04:09] :( i do not know anyone here [04:09] well actually i do :) [04:10] gnomefreak: hello [04:13] hmm interesting [04:14] is any...alive? haha [04:14] Hello [04:14] Need a hand? [04:14] sbalneav: hello :) [04:14] sbalneav: i missed the meeting did i not? [04:14] Meetings are usually in #ubuntu-meeting [04:15] oh [04:15] at what time? [04:15] Depends on who's meeting. I'm not sure of the schedule, but I think it's on the fridge somewhere. [04:15] hmm i will have to look at that === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === botxj [n=botxj@ip70-187-199-233.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego [n=cafuego@59.167.191.160] has joined #edubuntu === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === RichJ is now known as nixternal === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian299 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === skoger [n=skoger@200.87.108.152] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.41.228.162] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === rjian299 is now known as rjian === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@201.215.139.215] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === skoger [n=skoger@200.87.108.152] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [07:31] mornin everbody [07:32] mornin' cbx33 [07:32] how are you highvoltage [07:32] doing good [07:32] how are you doing? things going well at the school? [07:33] yesterday was utter &^*% [07:33] today, well too early to tell [07:33] :( [07:33] school is going well I suppose [07:33] can't wait to leave though [07:36] brb......doing the dishes [07:40] :( [07:40] it brings new meaning to the term 'school sux' :) [07:43] yup === TeePOG [n=arno@196.211.231.162] has joined #edubuntu [07:46] morning all [07:47] hi [07:47] hi cbx33, RichEd, highvoltage, ogra, Kamping_Kaiser, nixternal [07:47] and everyone I missed [07:47] wasabi! ;) === TeePOG reloads... not gonna miss again! [07:47] forgive me, typing with nose [07:48] hey TeePOG === mthe [n=mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has joined #edubuntu [07:48] How do you know you're addicted to IRC? You sign on to freenode before checking mail :-D [07:48] cbx33: just don't sneeze [07:49] cbx33: did someone break your fingers for not paying your Mob debts? [07:49] ag highvoltage, 'snot so bad to sneeze [07:50] .... [07:50] tough crowd [07:51] ping #edubuntu [07:51] TeePOG: not if you're typing with your nose! [07:52] heheh [07:52] true [07:52] my hads had rubber gloves on [07:52] I was washing up [07:53] didn't think water and my keyboard would mix [07:53] but how do you do ctrl and shift? left- and right nostrils move independently? [07:53] no........I have to skip those [07:54] no you don't! that was a capital I! [07:54] i have hands again [07:54] oic [07:55] rubber gloves and all? [07:55] heheh no [07:55] I have removed them..... [07:55] man do they stink :( [07:56] hmm, I'm sure you SAY it's for washing... but were you not really cutting up bodies or something? [07:56] that would explain the stink [07:56] wow TeePOG thanks......I don;t think I'ver ever been accused of being a butcher before :S [07:57] ohhh, i thought that's what the "b" in cbx33 was for ^.^ [07:57] hehe [07:57] crafty butcher ;) [07:57] collector, butcher, and executioner number 33 [07:57] hehheh [07:57] mob serial number [07:58] TeePOG, you're scaring me....you seem to know a lot about this kinda thing ;) [07:58] i'm just very good at making up stories... plausibility, that's der bunny [07:59] heh [07:59] well cbx33 actually stands for an old counterstrike handle [07:59] cutterbomb [07:59] x was added for fun [07:59] i have no clue whether that which I just said, is based in fact [07:59] 33 .... I needed a number === TeePOG hasn't had coffee :-( [07:59] i see === TeePOG is getting knoppix 5 off torrent, btw, if anyone's interested to sneakernet [08:00] i downloaded that the other day [08:02] it's awesome having uncapped ADSL [08:02] besides, my ISP has a complete Ubuntu repo mirror === TeePOG greets everyone [08:07] erm [08:07] that was for other server, sorry === danielhedblom [n=daniel@h20n2c1o945.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #edubuntu [08:10] morning danielhedblom [08:11] hi there [08:12] how goes? [08:16] not very well [08:16] but i never give up [08:18] morning all [08:18] busy with an MOU TeePOG but we can pick up a bit later [08:19] sure thing RichEd, i'm around [08:19] :) [08:20] just getting coffee, brb [08:24] morin RichEd [08:24] see y'all later on === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === e1mer [n=elmer@58.71.13.205] has joined #edubuntu === Starting logfile irclogs/edubuntu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | Read before installing: http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuKnot3LTSPTesting === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Mon Sep 11 19:54:06 2006 === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === mthe [n=mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has joined #edubuntu [09:11] moenin all === kihai [n=admin@87.139.108.135] has joined #edubuntu [09:13] Hi there, just a short question concerning the greeter that is shown for LTSP users. Does anyone know the keyboard shortcut for switching between languages (english-german)? === mthe [n=mthe@82.133.106.153] has joined #edubuntu [09:34] kihai: I don't think the current greeter has that functionality. AFAIK it has only been introduced in the current development version === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.107.188] has joined #edubuntu === jono [n=jono@88-107-0-133.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu [10:03] highvoltage: But some users somehow manage to unvoluntarily switch the language from german (preset) to english, but I have no idea which shortcuts they use.. === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-164-190.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [10:06] hmmm... [10:08] wb RichEd [10:20] is it me or did daylight savings time just hit? [10:31] daylight just hit, period [10:34] it's still dark out [10:36] not from where i'm sitting [10:39] i'm in america [10:43] i'm in South Africa [10:43] I'm in Germany [10:43] so you're already up kihai? got coffee yet? === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-148-226.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [10:50] i was born in kenya [10:52] that's nice... in colonial days? or after? === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-238-247.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego_ [n=cafuego@59.167.191.160] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [11:12] i'm 20 years old [11:18] that means i was born in modern times, not colonial [11:24] ok cool === kihai [n=admin@87.139.108.135] has left #edubuntu [] [11:24] heh, colonial, i thought you were being sarcastic [11:25] when you said that [11:26] i was only half joking... some ppl here are quite old [11:28] i mean, look at maddog hall... that guy knew Noah personally [11:31] heh, i'm glad i'm young === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [11:34] hey ho rodarvus === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:34] hi pygi! [11:35] wb cbx33 [11:36] cbx33: mdz got back few minutes when you left yesterday :-/ === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [11:50] hi pygi [11:51] hi cbx33 [11:51] how is libburn [11:54] you know, told you yesterday [11:59] I wondered if there had been any progress. [11:59] :( [11:59] I fixed one of my bugs but I'm not sure how to fix the other one [11:59] doy ou have a second? [12:06] pygi: scp-client is run from Xsession.d from a startup script [12:06] it should close when the user finishes their X session, but it's not [12:06] is it because I don;t have any signal handling in the code? === saintsjd [n=jsaints@196.216.13.206] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [12:11] I am using an iopener for one of my ltsp clients. The iOpener seems to be very slow when booting the ubuntu initrd image and doing its hardware detection. Is there any way that I could hardcode the detected hardware so that it is not done on the client each time it boots? I am willing to build my own kernel and busy box if necessary. === saintsjd [n=jsaints@196.216.13.206] has left #edubuntu [] === danielhedblom [n=daniel@h20n2c1o945.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:17] found my problem, the admin guy handling the DHCP is wrong [12:17] ehereal shows i get the wrong "next server" [12:17] ping ogra [12:17] I have the first issue on SCP fixed [12:18] Kamion said if we fix before TB it'll be fine [12:18] I'm working on the second problem now === willvdl [n=Will@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [12:19] hi willvdl [12:19] ethereal is really nice for troubleshooting PXE issues =) [12:19] hey there [12:19] ethereal is great all round [12:20] it is indeed one of the nicer pieces of OSS software [12:23] ping rodarvus [12:23] cbx33, pong [12:23] got a quick question [12:23] do you know how when an X session closes it stops the processes called in the /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ configs? [12:24] I started my scp-client python script...but it;s not being killed when the session ends [12:24] I thinking it is posibly sending it a signal [12:24] but my script does handle signals yet [12:24] yes, I know, this is not an X related question, though :D [12:24] oh [12:24] sorry [12:25] unix has a concept called 'process groups' - when the father of a process group (the process that spawned the others) die, all processes are sent a signal [12:25] cbx33, don't worry, I was just kidding ;) [12:25] :D [12:25] what signal [12:25] so, you are supposed to handle this signal, if you want to 'die' when your parent process does [12:25] which I do [12:25] which signal is it? [12:26] dude, I wish I had my APUE on my side [12:26] I think it is SIGHUP [12:26] ok thanks rodarvus [12:26] APUE ? [12:27] Advanced Programming in Unix Environment [12:27] cbx33, 'man 7 signal' [12:27] specifically this part: [12:27] thank you [12:28] SIGHUP 1 Term Hangup detected on controlling terminal [12:28] or death of controlling process [12:29] cbx33, actually any reasonable Unix book as at least one chapter on signals - APUE is just (imho) the best unix book out ther [12:29] there [12:31] rodarvus, what about SIGTERM? Does it not depend on how the process dies? [12:32] willvdl, sigterm is sent when you want the process in question to die gracefully [12:32] it is sent (for all processes) by init, when the computer is being shutdown [12:33] if, then, your process ignores SIGTERM (and thus keeps running), init usually sends SIGKILL, which is not interruptable, and the kernel kills your process [12:34] ah. all coming back to me now [12:34] SIGHUP, on the other hand, is (by default) ignored, it is just useful if you want to know when your parent process died (such as the case for cbx33), or when you need to know when you lost a controlling terminal (ie, any calls to open/read/write/close to STDIN, STDOUT AND STDERR will fail) [12:36] rodarvus: it seems as thought a SIGHUP should kill it anyway [12:36] cbx33, kill what, the child process? [12:38] ah. I thought the parent sent SIGTERM to the children. [12:38] hmmm [12:38] ok...it kills it [12:38] but outputs some text on the screen [12:38] well lemme try this and see what happens [12:39] I remember there being an explanation in the Qt docs somewhere [12:39] it dies....properly fro ma SIGHUP which it didn't do before [12:39] but python spits out a keyboard interrupt message [12:39] anyway to stop this? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [12:47] how are you killing it? [12:50] http://pastebin.ca/178546 [12:50] see my code and then what happens when I kill it [12:51] hi TeePOG :) (juust home again ;)) [12:53] rodarvus: hmm.....that didn't work [12:53] guess it's not sending SIGHUP [12:53] wb Kamping_Kaiser [12:54] ty === TeePOG fetches a fresh cup of coffee === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu [12:56] rodarvus: it seems dbus doesn't close itself either [12:57] or bonobo, or gnome vfs [12:58] ogra, love the dapper ltsp installer, it roxors. just got a few things to work out myself now its installed :) [01:01] rodarvus: any other ideas.....sorry to be a pain here [01:02] it must not be sending signals at all [01:02] cbx33, hmm, hard to say [01:02] this is the kind of problem that is hard to debug remotely [01:02] sorry :( [01:02] and unfortunately I don't have much time to review your code today :/ [01:02] rodarvus: that's ok [01:03] if you do get a sec the pastebin is there [01:03] sure [01:03] I have 3 hours to fix [01:03] don't know if its going to be helpful, but lets try :) [01:03] ogra said it needs to be in before beta freeze [01:03] you *can* fix it later, but it would be nice to get it fixed now [01:03] yes I know ;) [01:03] I have fixed the first problem [01:03] because later you'll need approval to get your package uplaod [01:03] uploaded [01:04] this is the second [01:07] is that pitti approval? [01:15] rodarvus: I know why that didn't work [01:15] because it's PPID is 1 [01:15] ;) [01:15] not much chance of that getting killed when you log out [01:16] cbx33, no, release team approval [01:16] either mdz or Kamion === knixtech [n=stormcha@c-68-80-182-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:17] ah ok [01:17] I think Kamion already approved it ;) [01:17] morning all [01:17] but that solves the mystery [01:17] ^_^ [01:17] but doesn't help me [01:17] are they told to quit? [01:19] afternoon knixtech :-) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [01:20] ha, afternoon [01:20] what a crazy world [01:20] anyone know a list of options for dappers ltsp.conf? [01:20] huh? [01:20] or anywhere to look? [01:20] as in the client side? [01:20] cbx33, he approved it to enter the archive [01:21] someone on the release team needs to approve new uploads after the beta freeze [01:21] its a different kind of approval [01:21] knixtech, the one that (i thought) goes in /etc/ltsp [01:21] or for that matter, per-client configs if such a thing exists [01:21] *all* packages need approval to be upload after beta freeeze [01:22] ahh [01:22] Kamping_Kaiser, not sure on the per-client part, but go into the .conf and see what you can configure [01:22] Kamping_Kaiser, like sound and all? [01:23] usb+sound+drives [01:23] so yes :) [01:23] i dont see an ltsp.conf in /etc/ltsp [01:23] ya, i read it on the getting started page [01:23] let me find the link for ya [01:23] thanks mate :) [01:23] ^_^ [01:24] :) [01:25] http://edubuntu.org/GettingStarted [01:25] at the bottom [01:25] it sort of touches on it [01:26] the fine tuning part of it === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.107.252] has joined #edubuntu [01:30] thanks mate :) [01:31] Kamping_Kaiser, help ya? === Kamping_Kaiser drags computers untill he has room to set up ltsp [01:31] not sure yet, just checked back here ;) [01:31] kk [01:32] yes, that will be very helpfull :D === TeePOG doesn't want to know why Kamping_Kaiser is dressing his computers in drag === Kamping_Kaiser hugs knixtech [01:32] TeePOG, i dont see anything else in those clothes here ;P [01:32] ahhhh, so they didn't deliver the Village People outfits today? hmmmmm === TeePOG checks his loading dock schedule === knixtech spills his morning coffee all over himself from the hge hug from Kamping_Kaiser [01:33] ^_^ [01:33] :S sorry mate [01:33] hahahah [01:33] lol [01:33] bbs. moving alphaserver [01:34] i'm struggling with firestarter... any pointers? i'm connected directly to our router, the connection works... but dies as soon as I open firestarter [01:35] the firewall loads when you start firestarter [01:36] what are you firewalling for? :) can you do it without firestarter? [01:36] no idea Kamping_Kaiser... general internet protection i guess... [01:36] but i do want the p2p and other stuff to pass through [01:36] especially IRC ^.^ [01:37] ^=^ [01:37] i heard about guarddog, is it any good? [01:37] TeePOG, you want a leet firewall? [01:37] by itself, or on nix? [01:37] i want something keeping the Bad People out of my stuff [01:38] TeePOG, you only stop stuff coming in, not out :) [01:38] actually we have an IPCop box for the cybercafe [01:38] pfsense or smoothwall are my favs === Kamping_Kaiser says 'just use a script' [01:38] i want this box to bypass ipcop completely, but not be insecure === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [01:38] TeePOG, http://www.debian-administration.org/ [01:38] Kamping_Kaiser: please elucidate...? [01:38] ah [01:38] *click* [01:38] ok, then install windows then, shhhhh its opposite day ^_^ [01:38] 'insecure' on a 0 ports open box is a bit paranoid :) [01:39] http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 [01:39] ^^ good link [01:39] *click* [01:39] :) [01:39] i have it on my boxes. if you want i can send you my firewall script [01:39] its got a few open ports and whatnot you can copy if you want [01:40] sw33t Kamping_Kaiser [01:41] /notice me your email if you want the script :) [01:41] or i could pastebin i suppose [01:43] hmm do we even have seeds for edubuntu edgy [01:43] i can barely grab amd64 === Kamping_Kaiser pastebins [01:44] cbx33, first thing you should add at the very top of the client code is something like: [01:44] if not os.getenv('LTSP_CLIENT'): [01:44] sys.exit(0) [01:44] ogra: done [01:44] first problem is fixed [01:44] so it doesnt start for non ltsp sessions [01:44] ok [01:44] TeePOG, http://pastebin.ca/178582 [01:44] sorry, i had to sleep some hours ... [01:44] ogra: it's ok [01:45] I'm trying to get this finshed up [01:45] I've spoken to Kamion....he said if we get it done before TB meeting it'll be fine [01:45] yep [01:45] TeePOG, it meantions variables - i took them out ;), it was breaking stuff, and i was busy [01:45] and that artwork isn't so critical [01:45] i guessed so, the meetings are usually the deadlines [01:45] so I'm trying my hardest here [01:46] my problem is that the process are not being killed [01:46] even dbus and gnome-vfs are still running [01:46] it's not just my scp-client process [01:46] from what I can see [01:46] I put in singal handler statments to handle a SIGHUP [01:46] but it seems as if they are not being sent that either [01:46] does your client go away if dbus vanishes ? [01:47] my client does not depend on dbus at all.... [01:47] but I shall check that for you now [01:47] hang on [01:47] well, it needs dbus === TeePOG is back [01:48] thanks Kamping_Kaiser [01:48] even though it needs the system bus .... [01:48] TeePOG, np :) ask if you need a hand [01:48] o.O [01:48] where? [01:49] yes...the way I have written it, it will start and wait for dbus to become available [01:49] ok [01:49] TeePOG, o_0 [01:49] lol Kamping_Kaiser, jk [01:49] :P [01:50] cbx33, i was thinking to llok if a session bus is avaliable first ... but i'm not completely awake yet [01:50] ogra: http://pastebin.ca/178586 [01:50] then it wouldnt work on non dbus dependent windowmanagers ... so tht was not a good idea :) === ogra looks [01:51] that was after logging in and out on two clients [01:51] the dbus stuff there seems like a bug in the dbus-launcher === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [01:52] ogra: see ;) [01:52] gnome-vfs and bonobo should both die without dbus ... [01:52] indeed === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [01:53] so ogra what do we do [01:54] tell me, is there no option to get webmin on ubuntu? [01:56] cbx33, give me some time to wake up ... i would justify the dbus stuff as RC and i think i can convince mdz that it is :) so lets concentrate on the scp-client ... [01:57] ok [01:57] sorry ogra [01:57] dont feel sorry all the time :) [01:58] we're at a good status ... [01:58] i fixed most of the artwrok stuff (i think) [01:58] really ? [01:58] ltsp is in shape ... [01:58] dude you rock...... [01:58] I'm really sorry about yesterday...just so many things went wrong [01:58] no its fine ... [01:58] guinea pig , computer, lisas pc.....grrr [01:59] its in the repos. why? [01:59] gdm needed something ... i hope my theme is bearable [01:59] i did it this morning around 4am and couldnt even look out of my eyes anymore [01:59] but minor changes will be allowed [01:59] so we have a base to work on [02:00] ldm has a new theme as well [02:00] ok, I'm sure it will be more than bearable [02:00] when you said there was feedback on the artwork...I thought you meant people hated it [02:00] :S [02:00] upgrade and give feedback ;) [02:00] as you dissapeared after that [02:00] ok....upgrading now [02:01] oh, I tried to install and use edubuntu from the CD current today [02:01] had a problem with tftp [02:01]