[12:14] <imbrandon> re
[12:15] <nixternal> g'nite kwwii_
[12:15] <imbrandon> omg the guys in my lug are asking how to build oo.o deb's /me hids from them for a while
[12:15] <imbrandon> night kwwii_ 
[12:15] <nixternal> haha
[12:15] <kwwii_> imbrandon: you lazy sushi eating mt dew drinker!
[12:15] <imbrandon> kwwii_: hahaha
[12:15] <nixternal> there are only a million oo.o debs flying around the net as it is
[12:15] <nixternal> im getting ready to head out for sushi
[12:15] <imbrandon> is Riddell  gonna package the pannel image ?
[12:15] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes
[12:15] <imbrandon> nice !!
[12:15] <nixternal> i miss real sushi, and not this american crap
[12:16] <kwwii_> bis morgen....
[12:16] <imbrandon> nixternal: i just had sushi takeout for lunch
[12:16] <nixternal> mmm
[12:16] <nixternal> i love sushi
[12:16] <imbrandon> adios
[12:17] <nixternal> man..sebas and adrian were in greece...another place i really miss...if my x-wife would move there, i would so be there in a heartbeat..she wants to move to spain though
[12:17] <nixternal> ouzo, you can run a ship from that stuff
[12:18] <nixternal> oh well...bbiab ;)
[12:19] <Riddell> spain is nice
[12:19] <imbrandon> nixternal / Riddell http://pastebin.ca/178014 <-- thats what the lug said just before they pinged me
[12:19] <gnomefreak> what is the package name for smart?
[12:19] <imbrandon> heh
[12:19] <Riddell> don't need to learn a new alphabet for spain
[12:19] <imbrandon> smartpm
[12:19] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: ty
[12:19] <Riddell> gnomefreak: smartpm?
[12:19] <nixternal> oh lord imbrandon
[12:19] <nixternal> i feel for you
[12:19] <imbrandon> gotta love it hehe
[12:20] <Riddell> imbrandon: sounds like that lug needs some of your loving
[12:20] <nixternal> i should join it and tell them at imbrandon can do it for you ;)
[12:20] <nixternal> he is online, and hiding from you all ;)
[12:20] <gnomefreak> i figured apt-cache search smart would have given me that but it doesnt :(
[12:20] <sebas> nixternal: Nevermind, it really sucked ;-)
[12:20] <imbrandon> nixternal: someone already did, thats why they pinged me
[12:20] <nixternal> no way sebas, greece owns!
[12:20] <imbrandon> Riddell: for sure heheh i just hate oo.o ;)
[12:20] <nixternal> oo.o is good
[12:21] <imbrandon> good for windows, koffice ownz on linux ;)
[12:21] <nixternal> koffice is nice, but our fellow windows/office users don't think so
[12:21] <imbrandon> ohhh speaking of koffice Riddell i tried on my ppc too i dont think its my setup its something i'm not doing right or something
[12:22] <Riddell> imbrandon: koffice doesn't install on ppc just now
[12:22] <imbrandon> heh that would explain it
[12:23] <imbrandon> woot
[12:23] <imbrandon> kinda broke but insatlls and runs ;)
[12:24] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: how did *86 build? before i try it
[12:24] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: i havent gotten very far, i was having autoconf issues before lunch and i havent resumed since
[12:24] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:26] <Riddell> ok, uploaded kicker thing, I'm off to bed
[12:26] <imbrandon> sleep well Riddell 
[12:26] <imbrandon> thanks
[12:48] <andrunko> Riddell: yep, for a few minutes
[12:48] <andrunko> heh
[12:49] <andrunko> Riddell: some problem?
[01:44] <jdong> ooh, look at that... new kernel AND new freebsd beta release....
[01:56] <bddebian> Heya
[03:39] <jdong> ouch
[03:40] <ryanakca> I just hope I can figure out how it was setup...
[03:40] <ryanakca> meh
[03:40] <ryanakca> I complain too much
[03:41] <jdong> ryanakca: no you don't ... I do
[03:41] <ryanakca> lol
[03:41] <jdong> ryanakca: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEMedia
[03:41] <jdong> join me in my complaints
[03:41] <jdong> under Feedback
[03:42] <ryanakca> Konqueror STILL doesn't have GMail support...
[03:42] <ryanakca> if it weren't for that fact, I'd use it as my web brower... but untill then.... FF it is :)
[03:42] <jdong> :)
[03:42] <jdong> I know
[03:43] <ryanakca> oooh... still don't have that unmounting dialog yet :S
[03:44] <ryanakca> and then theres the problem that there's not dialog in konversation... when you open a logfile... it looks as if konversation is frozen/hanging... but it's opening the logfile... and that can take up to 30 seconds...
[03:47] <abattoir> ryanakca: changing konq.'s id doesnt help?(for gmail)
[03:47] <imbrandon> ryanakca: gmail works fine in my konqi, and the konversaiotn thing is knows to upstream ( as you are the one that pointed it out ) and is being fixed in 1.0.1 ( not for edgy )
[03:47] <imbrandon> jdong , complaining isnt the correct term , its not constructive
[03:48] <ryanakca> positive criticism :D
[03:48] <jdong> imbrandon: I do try to be constructive in my criticism
[03:48] <imbrandon> ( and i did note to have that section ABOVE the patches section ;P )
[03:48] <jdong> imbrandon: but I do have a particular passion with losing data to not syncing
[03:48] <jdong> imbrandon: and no, you never told me that
[03:48] <imbrandon> jdong: i dident say you wernt, i was talking about your use of the word "join me in complaining"
[03:48] <imbrandon> :0
[03:49] <jdong> :)
[03:49] <ryanakca> jdong: at least I still have my ~/, /usr/local and /var archives :S
[03:49] <imbrandon> jdong: sure i did when i told you "we" police the that wiki page, dont make me dig up the log ;)
[03:49] <imbrandon> gnight ryanakca  ;)
[03:49] <jdong> imbrandon: you told me that you police it
[03:49] <jdong> but you NEVER told me where to put the feedback section
[03:49] <imbrandon> !logs
[03:49] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[03:49] <ryanakca> imbrandon: before I forget... have a link to making a build farm thingy?
[03:50] <imbrandon> ryanakca: not really, i did it all from bits and pieces here and there
[03:50] <imbrandon> alot of learning and time
[03:50] <imbrandon> and questions and google
[03:50] <imbrandon> heh
[03:50] <ryanakca> imbrandon: mind writing a wiki :P
[03:50] <imbrandon> hahah maybe after the dev summit i'll have time ;)
[03:51] <bddebian> What are the dates for the Mt. View thing?
[03:52] <jdong> imbrandon: beagle definitely says that you need to cut down on hallucinogen usage :)
[03:52] <imbrandon> jdong: look at the time 04:11 on page http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/kubuntu-devel-2006-09-18.html
[03:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:53] <imbrandon> bddebian: nov 05 to nov 10
[03:53] <jdong> pssht
[03:53] <jdong> imbrandon: add a feedback section at the bottom just above the patches section i would say
[03:53] <jdong> see, the problem with that, is, don't say at the bottom first
[03:53] <jdong> my attention span is short :)
[03:53] <bddebian> damnit, somehow I knew it would be at the beginning of November :'-(
[03:53] <imbrandon> i know ;)
[03:54] <imbrandon> jdong: i told you dont make me dig the logs out , i knew i did ;)
[03:54] <imbrandon> bddebian: that bad ?
[03:55] <bddebian> imbrandon: Means I can't go :'-(
[03:55] <imbrandon> ouch
[03:55] <imbrandon> and i was looking forward to bugging you irl ;)
[03:56] <bddebian> heh
[03:56] <bddebian> I was REALLy hoping to go this time.  Especially since it was in the US
[03:57] <imbrandon> bddebian: what is it keeping you from it ?
[03:57] <bddebian> We are going live with Phase II of our ERP on either Nov 1 or Nov 7 and I know they won't let me take days off :-(
[03:58] <imbrandon> ouch, quit and work for canonical ;)
[03:58] <bddebian> OK
[03:58] <bddebian> Get me a job :-)
[03:59] <imbrandon> ( as in for me )
[03:59] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:59] <bddebian> :-)
[03:59] <imbrandon> bddebian: if i could i would bro , you know it ;)
[04:00] <imbrandon> too
[04:00] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:03] <bddebian> I wouldn't be of much use to Canonical.  I'm tenatious but stupid
[04:03] <imbrandon> heh
[04:03] <imbrandon> shush
[04:03] <imbrandon> you tought me to package ;)
[04:04] <bddebian> Yeah right :-)
[04:07] <imbrandon> hrm diff the old file is first right ?
[04:07] <imbrandon> i cant never rember
[04:10] <bddebian> Yes
[04:38] <lnxkde> who is lilo?
[04:38] <lnxkde> the boot loader?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: poke
[05:33] <jdong> ubshmehan uba hugana
[05:39] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: he said he was heading to sleepy by
[05:40] <imbrandon> although that was ~5 hours ago hehe
[05:40] <imbrandon> he might wake soonish ;)
[05:41] <imbrandon> nixternal: ping
[05:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, thought he might have
[05:44] <imbrandon> so hows it goin ...
[05:44] <imbrandon> and uploaded another amarok fix
[05:45] <imbrandon> before the freeze
[05:45] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: you messed with writely ? man it works
[05:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: writely?  nope
[05:45] <imbrandon> well, i'm very surprised with it , its good enough for my limited word processing
[05:46] <imbrandon> writely is googles online word processor , and you can publish and invite others to edit too
[05:46] <imbrandon> or just keep them private etc
[05:46] <imbrandon> very nice, works as well as oo.o or koffice afaik
[05:47] <Hobbsee> ahhhh....
[05:47] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[05:47] <imbrandon> so now they have a word processor and a spead sheet apps online
[05:47] <imbrandon> thats enough for me not to need an office suite , and i'm sure many others like me that only rarely use it
[05:47] <imbrandon> hell even people that use it alot
[05:48] <imbrandon> kinda nice being able to edit it from anywhere and save in TONS of formats
[05:48] <imbrandon> etc etc etc
[05:48] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[05:48] <imbrandon> hrm i might blog about it
[05:48] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:48] <imbrandon> do you have a gmail account ?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:52] <Hobbsee> of course :P
[05:52] <Hobbsee> where do you think my @u.c and @k.o point to?
[05:52] <imbrandon> ahh then you already have an account, play with it a minute, you'll like it i bet
[05:52] <imbrandon> http://www.writely.com
[05:53] <Hobbsee> okay
[05:53] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:53] <imbrandon> you can even email-in documents etc, its very slick, i think i'm gonna start using it alot more
[05:54] <imbrandon> i use all the other google services , hell why not ;)
[05:54] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:55] <imbrandon> i'm sure it will be supported by google ad's at some point but atm theres not even ads
[05:55] <imbrandon> even so googe ad's arent that bad
[05:57] <imbrandon> and it says they dont "officialy" support linux but seems to work great
[05:57] <imbrandon> i havent found anything that dosent work yet
[05:58] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[06:04] <robotgeek> mac on linux finally works well, execept for the keyboard maps. yay!
[06:05] <imbrandon> robotgeek: heh yea i need to update it with the latest bootx though so it will boot 10.4
[06:05] <imbrandon> without the extra download
[06:05] <robotgeek> i did not require the latest bootx, it worked fine without it too
[06:05] <imbrandon> 10.4 ?
[06:06] <imbrandon> 10.3.9 and below dont need it
[06:06] <robotgeek> i have tiger
[06:06] <imbrandon> tiger == 10.4
[06:06] <Hobbsee> hey robotgeek 
[06:06] <imbrandon> hum , thats strange
[06:06] <imbrandon> you using the one from our repos ?
[06:07] <robotgeek> hey Hobbsee 
[06:07] <robotgeek> yes, directly from reppos
[06:07] <imbrandon> wow , ok cool
[06:08] <robotgeek> i can now kill time on youtube directly from linux, yay
[06:08] <robotgeek> how is it going Hobbsee ?
[06:08] <Hobbsee> i'm okay :)
[06:08] <Hobbsee> plotting evil things as usual
[06:08] <robotgeek> world domination?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> of course
[06:10] <Hobbsee> starting with kubuntu
[06:11] <robotgeek> hmm, i gotta learn c++ now, yay (maybe)
[06:13] <Hobbsee> dont remind me
[06:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/bugs/59504
[06:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59504 in kdebase "Language packs broken in kde applications menus" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[06:26] <Hobbsee> probably worth looking at
[06:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: gone to bed yet?
[06:56] <nixternal> imbrandon: pong?
[06:57] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[06:57] <Hobbsee> heya
[08:06] <seaLne> see those of you going to akademy there
[08:21] <nixternal> i will be in canada, is that close?
[08:21] <nixternal> ;)
[08:21] <nixternal> i would love to be in dublin this time of year
[08:21] <nixternal> mmm..the guiness is flowin' thick
[08:25] <_Sime_> Tonio_: whooohooo! The media stuff in the packages works! thanks
[08:27] <_Sime_> Riddell: Should lost+found be in /.hidden?
[09:27] <fabo> Riddell: i have added dimap patch to kdepim
[09:27] <fabo> Riddell: http://fboudra.free.fr/ubuntu/kdepim_4:3.5.4-0ubuntu5/
[09:30] <fabo> Hobbsee: i asked a sync for a package, was synced. New debian package uploaded, i asked another sync or could i re-open same LP bug + comments ... ?
[09:30] <Hobbsee> fabo: you could.  what was the package?
[09:31] <fabo> clucene/strigi suite
[09:31] <Hobbsee> either works
[09:31] <fabo> ok nice
[09:32] <fabo> Hobbsee: about synaptic bug, a asked a backport to resolve definitely 3406
[09:33] <fabo> s/a/i
[09:33] <Hobbsee> i couldnt even get it to work on edgy
[09:33] <fabo> ?
[09:33] <fabo> i'll take a look
[09:50] <fabo> Hobbsee: could you confirm 54939 and 61605 please :)
[09:50] <Hobbsee> bug 54939
[09:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54939 in Ubuntu "Edgy MoM]  Please sync libclucene0 and libclucene-dev from sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54939
[09:50] <Hobbsee> bug 61605
[09:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61605 in strigi "Please sync strigi and strigiapplet" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61605
[09:51] <Hobbsee> fabo: the unstable version builds and installs fine in edgy?
[09:52] <fabo> Hobbsee: yes
[09:52] <Hobbsee> cool
[09:52] <Hobbsee> done
[09:53] <fabo> thanks
[10:07] <fabo> Hobbsee: same for 60030 :)
[10:07] <Hobbsee> bug 60030
[10:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60030 in icecc "icecc sync with the last debian version" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60030
[10:09] <Hobbsee> fabo: that also builds and installs okay?
[10:10] <fabo> Hobbsee: Riddell already built it, so yes.
[10:10] <Hobbsee> right
[10:10] <fabo> this is SYNC day ;)
[10:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:27] <fabo> bah hobbsee come back :)
[10:51] <Tonio_> hello
[11:03] <fabo> hello Tonio_ 
[11:06] <Tonio_> hey fabo
[11:06] <Tonio_> did someone revu transkode ?
[11:10] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yeah everything works except /media/cdrom0 is still empty here...
[11:10] <Tonio_> _Sime_: that the only problem I can find
[11:15] <Tonio_> _Sime_: appart from that, GREAT work
[11:18] <fabo> Tonio_: unfortuntely, i wasn't able to upload it to revu
[11:18] <Tonio_> hi el
[11:18] <Tonio_> fabo: ah ?
[11:18] <Tonio_> what is the issue ?
[11:18] <Tonio_> fabo: gimme the source package and I'll upload for you
[11:19] <Tonio_> and I will revu of course
[11:19] <el> moin Tonio_  :)
[11:21] <Tonio_> fabo: any place I can download your package ?
[11:31] <fabo> Tonio_: http://fboudra.free.fr/ubuntu/transkode_0.6b2-0ubuntu1/
[11:31] <fabo> sorry i'm on the phone in the same me
[11:32] <Riddell> _Sime_: why shouldn't lost+found be in .hidden?
[11:32] <Tonio_> fabo: great, I'm checking and uploading
[11:34] <Tonio_> fabo: cool packaging, now building :)
[11:34] <Tonio_> hi Riddell
[11:34] <Riddell> bonjour Tonio_ 
[11:35] <fabo> crimsun: thanks for report update ;) why not confirm in the same time
[11:35] <Tonio_> hum, the new windeco is better than the previous one... looks somehow more professionnal
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: just though about edgy+1, I'll probably spend time on samba integration with kde...
[11:36] <fabo> bouh hobbsee hides ;) someone could confirm 61609 and 61611 please
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is not very convenient to get the thigs working currently
[11:36] <Tonio_> things can be done I think
[11:37] <Tonio_> fabo: what happens with your revu account ?
[11:38] <fabo> Tonio_: what you mean there's problem ?
[11:39] <fabo> Tonio_: someone already uploads transkode 0.5b, maybe it is the problem
[11:39] <Tonio_> fabo: I don't think so, the upload should have been overwritten
[11:39] <Tonio_> fabo: I'll try to upload if the build is nice
[11:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: great idea
[11:40] <fabo> unfortunately with dput, we didn't received any error
[11:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I had to play with samba recently and I found everything needs to be configured...
[11:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably a spec on the UDS will be a good starting point
[11:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just hope I'll be sponsored ;)
[11:40] <Tonio_> I'm still waiting
[11:40] <fabo> Riddell: you see my ping about kdepim ?
[11:42] <Tonio_> fabo: may I just had 1 patch for rosetta ?
[11:42] <fabo> in case you missed ;) http://fboudra.free.fr/ubuntu/kdepim_4:3.5.4-0ubuntu5/
[11:42] <Tonio_> fabo: it's missing ;)
[11:42] <fabo> :)
[11:43] <fabo> time to play football :) then i need to prepare my travel to akademy ;)
[11:43] <Tonio_> fabo: wow you did all those patches ? :) 
[11:43] <Tonio_> I'm impressed :)
[11:43] <fabo> see you later :)=
[11:43] <Tonio_> fabo: ++
[11:47] <Riddell> fabo: no, what's changed?
[11:58] <Riddell> fabo: where is that patch from?  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104956 ?
[11:58] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 104956 in disconnected IMAP "dimap: sudden mail loss" [Critical,New]  
[12:20] <_Sime_> Riddell: my point was that lost_found probably should be in .hidden, but it isn't now (for me).
[12:20] <Riddell> _Sime_: ah, I'll add it then 
[12:27] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ?
[12:27] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hey :)
[12:27] <_Sime_> hi
[12:28] <_Sime_> I need to add a couple of known issues to the wiki.
[12:30] <Tonio_> _Sime_: the point is the work looks very usable now ;)
[12:30] <Tonio_> still has a few issues indeed
[12:34] <_Sime_> like if you log out and then in again, you won't see any removable disks. (They get unmount at logout, but not automatically mounted again during login).
[12:34] <_Sime_> it would also be nice if we could use the disk label in more places, like what media:/ does for the names of things.
[12:35] <_Sime_> instead of "cdrewriter", the label "cdrewriter (Quake 4)" might be better in kicker and on the desktop.
[12:36] <Jucato_> _Sime_: I think other ext3 partitions are also unmounted at logout? not sure if it was fixed in knot 3
[12:36] <Riddell> _Sime_: are you coming to akademy?
[12:38] <_Sime_> Riddell: nope, I will be at home sulking during akademy. :-/
[12:38] <_Sime_> I don't have the vacation time over for that. Well not this year anyway.
[12:39] <_Sime_> Jucato_: I don't know if taht is true. I thought that the auto-unmounting stuff was only for pmounted  media.
[12:40] <_Sime_> Jucato_: or stuff taht was mounted as "user".
[12:40] <Jucato_> _Sime_: I haven't changed the default fstab that was installed in knot 2
[12:40] <_Sime_> Jucato_: actually I would really like to know what bit actually does the unmounting at logout.
[12:41] <Jucato_> the strange thing is that my FAT32 and NTFS partitions weren't unmounted when I logged back in
[12:44] <_Sime_> Jucato_: yes, but were those partitions mounted using the "pmount" command or via KDE?
[12:44] <_Sime_> Jucato_: and mounted with the "user" ooption?
[12:45] <Jucato_> _Sime_: I didn't manually mount them. I didn't change anything in fstab ever since I installed Knot 2
[12:55] <_Sime_> Jucato_: I dunno what is going on there.
[12:55] <Jucato_> :(
[01:22] <kwwii_> so, updated kernel, still no sound
[02:08] <kwwii> yippee! I got my sound working on my own :p
[02:09] <Riddell> kwwii: cool, how did you do that?
[02:10] <mornfall> unmute? *hides*
[02:10] <mornfall> i know i'm a terrible person
[02:10] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:13] <kwwii> Riddell: just added the kernel module :-)
[02:13] <kwwii> mornfall: I am an artist, but not that stupid :p
[02:14] <mornfall> *blink* i know dude, don't take me too seriously :)
[02:14] <kwwii> snd_powermac or whatever reason was not being loaded on my machine
[02:14] <kwwii> mornfall: you? I *never* take you seriously :-)
[02:15] <kwwii> lol
[02:15] <andrunko> Riddell: hi, any news about the package?
[02:15] <mornfall> :-)
[02:15] <Riddell> andrunko: I e-mailed you
[02:15] <Riddell> well, I guessed the address :)
[02:15] <Riddell> andrunko: but the binary packages should be renamed to match the SO name
[02:15] <Riddell> so it should be libqttelepathy0 and libqttelepathy-dev
[02:16] <andrunko> hmm i see
[02:17] <andrunko> Riddell: andrunko@gmail.com? i didn't receive anything, let me check the spams :D
[02:18] <andrunko> Riddell: do you think it's ok to rename the binaries and keep the package name telepathy-qt or should i rename the package name also
[02:20] <Riddell> andrunko: yes that's fine
[02:27] <andrunko> Riddell: the so name is libQtTelepathy so the package should be libQtTelepathy0 and libQtTelepathy-dev?
[02:27] <andrunko> Riddell: W: libqttelepathy0: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libQtTelepathy0
[02:27] <zorglu_> q. konqueror 3.5.2, as shipped in the 6.06.1 cd, doesnt contains the menu "Setting -> Configure Spell Checker" and have the spell checker on by default, how can i disable it ? is the menu somewhere else ?
[02:28] <Riddell> andrunko: can't have capital letters in a package name, just do it lower case
[02:28] <Riddell> zorglu_: in system setttings?
[02:29] <zorglu_> Riddell: system setting -> kde components -> spell checker  but it has nothing checked or anything
[02:30] <Riddell> zorglu_: I don't know how to turn off konqueror's auto spell check in textareas, that's somewhere else
[02:31] <zorglu_> from #kde people, it is supposed to be in  "Setting -> Configure Spell Checker" but the menu is not in the version shipped by kubuntu
[02:32] <zorglu_> ok i will go on to look, but this make it hard/painfull to use stuff like wikipedia :)
[02:32] <Jucato_> zorglu_: try KControl
[02:33] <Riddell> Configure Spell Checker just brings up the kcontrol module
[02:33] <Jucato_> KControl > KDE Components > Spell Checker
[02:33] <zorglu_> i got this page and nothing is checked on it
[02:34] <zorglu_> nor do i see any option to disable it
[02:36] <fabo> < Riddell> fabo: no, what's changed?
[02:37] <fabo> Riddell: i extracted the patch applied to the branch by till adam
[02:37] <Tonio_> fabo: I uploaded transkode to revu and advocated it.... need to find one more reviewer
[02:39] <andrunko> Riddell: updated http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-qt/ubuntu. should be ok now
[02:39] <fabo> Riddell: second Tonio_ please :)
[02:40] <Riddell> fabo: ok, cool
[02:40] <Riddell> andrunko: nothing has changed in that archive
[02:41] <fabo> Tonio_: have you a clue why i wasn't able to upload to revu ?
[02:42] <Tonio_> fabo: yes, a broken previous upload was in the queue...
[02:42] <Tonio_> fabo: needed revu admin to purge the upload which raphink did
[02:42] <Riddell> fabo: is this patch also in debian?  presumbaly not since debian will do a straight branch pull
[02:46] <fabo> Riddell: it is included in the branch pull
[02:47] <Riddell> fabo: yep, I'll rename the patch to be kubuntu_xx then
[02:47] <Riddell> fabo: uploading
[02:48] <fabo> Tonio_: ok
[02:48] <fabo> Riddell: thks
[02:48] <Riddell> fabo: uploaded, many thanks
[02:49] <fabo> someone could confirm 61609 and 61611 please :)
[02:49] <Jucato_> Hobbsee!!!
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato_ 
[02:52] <Riddell> fabo: done, you should attach the debian changelog to 61611
[02:52] <Riddell> and subscribe ubuntu-archive of course
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell 
[02:53] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee 
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i was going to bug you about adding kde-guidance-powermanager as a dep of kubuntu-desktop
[02:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: done
[02:53] <Hobbsee> or at least as a recommends
[02:53] <Hobbsee> oh cool :)
[02:53] <Hobbsee> it hadnt as of this afternoon :)
[02:55] <kwwii> Hobbsee: seen the new artwork?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> kwwii: nope
[02:55] <Hobbsee> kwwii: what's it look like?
[02:55] <kwwii> shiny
[02:55] <Jucato_> new artwork???
[02:56] <jsgotangco> shinyyy
[02:56] <Jucato_> just when I was getting used to the bluish-purple one... @_@
[02:56] <kwwii> hehe, it is still blue-purple
[02:56] <kwwii> but now it is shiny blue-purple
[02:56] <kwwii> :p
[02:56] <Jucato_> hehe
[02:56] <Jucato_> is it now available if I update?
[02:56] <kwwii> I think so
[02:58] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ooh, which bits?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> kwwii: usplash, or what?
[02:59] <kwwii> Hobbsee: the wallpaper is tweaked and the window deco's are pretty much new
[03:00] <Hobbsee> kwwii: nice - so i should grab the source for the windeco, i guess
[03:00] <Hobbsee> kwwii: it's got a new name so i can import?
[03:01] <kwwii> Hobbsee: it is the kubuntu theme in kwincystal
[03:02] <Riddell> fabo: do you have the sources to icemon?
[03:04] <fabo> Riddell: http://fboudra.free.fr/debian/icecc-monitor_1.1-1/
[03:04] <Riddell> perfect, thanks
[03:05] <Hobbsee> ooh...shiny...
[03:08] <fabo> Riddell: i have 2 special case -> kaffeine and kmplayer, their naming scheme diverge from Debian
[03:08] <Hobbsee> kwwii: got a screenshot, by any chance?
[03:08] <Jucato_> oooh shiny...
[03:09] <fabo> Riddell: keep ubuntu naming and update ? or prepare a transition to Debian naming
[03:09] <Jucato_> yay! at last a consistent login-ksplash screen :)
[03:11] <Tonio_> Jucato_: yes, kwwii work kickass, really :)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> or Jucato_, Tonio_ ?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> oh screw it
[03:11] <Jucato_> you don't have to convince me of that :)
[03:11] <Jucato_> heh
[03:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you didn't see it ?
[03:11] <kwwii> one second, screen coming
[03:11] <Tonio_> arf, too slow on the keyboard....
[03:11] <Jucato_> she used a different windeco
[03:12] <Jucato_> is the wallpaper different, too?
[03:12] <Riddell> fabo: what's diverged?
[03:12] <Jucato_> looks slightly the same...
[03:12] <andrunko> Riddell: strange, i just checked and it's there
[03:12] <andrunko> https://launchpad.net/people/telepathy/+branch/telepathy-qt/ubuntu
[03:12] <andrunko> revision 10
[03:14] <Jucato_> the Kubuntu buttons for the window deco looks very different... very nice
[03:15] <Jucato_> i definitely like this new window deco better :)
[03:15] <Jucato_> Hobbsee: are you seeing it now?
[03:15] <Riddell> andrunko: yep, got it now
[03:16] <andrunko> :)
[03:16] <fabo> Riddell: kaffeine source gives kaffeine and kaffeine-dbg package under Debian, kaffeine and kaffeine-xine under ubuntu
[03:16] <Hobbsee> kwwii: wow :)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato_: i was
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato_: i'm back to normal now
[03:16] <Jucato_> lol
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato_: i used the "very bad hack, dont do this" way of getting a new profile/
[03:16] <Hobbsee> aka sudo -i && startx
[03:17] <Hobbsee> which did what i wanted, but still.
[03:17] <Jucato_> baaad kangaroo :P
[03:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:18] <Riddell> fabo: that's from when we were using the gstreamer kaffeine part by default.  we can merge it with debian but not until after edgy is out
[03:18] <fabo> Riddell: ok
[03:18] <Hawkwind> Jucato_: What's the new window deco look like ?  Not sure I'm seeing it
[03:18] <Riddell> fabo: and kmplayer is split so we can install only the kpart plugin
[03:19] <Jucato_> it looks pretty, and the new buttons are better IMHO
[03:19] <fabo> fabo: under debian it is called kmplayer-plugin
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hmmm...i'm not sure if i saw the new buttons
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Jucato_: screenshot?
[03:19] <Jucato_> ok hold on :)
[03:19] <Hawkwind> Jucato_: This in an update today possibly ?
[03:19] <Jucato_> yes just a few minutes ago, I think
[03:20] <Riddell> andrunko: looks great, I'll upLoad
[03:20] <andrunko> Riddell: nice :), tnx
[03:20] <Hawkwind> Jucato_: Ah ok.  I'm updating the vmware edgy install now
[03:20] <fabo> Riddell: anyway it will be nice to have these packages updated
[03:21] <Hawkwind> Anyone know when the fixed flashplugin-nonfree package will be released ?
[03:21] <fabo> Riddell: jpatrick could do it ?
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: i believe that's up to the backporters
[03:21] <Jucato_> Hawkwind: ask jdong, it's his fault anyway :P
[03:22] <Hawkwind> Ohhhh, bad jdong, no cookie for j00!
[03:22] <Riddell> fabo: updated in which way
[03:22] <Riddell> ?
[03:22] <Jucato_> ugh! why is my internet connection suddenly so sloooow...
[03:22] <Hawkwind> Jucato_: The tubes are full :)
[03:23] <Jucato_> heh
[03:23] <Jucato_> it's seriously crawling...
[03:23] <Hobbsee> kwwii: errr....either i havent put this in right, or the background window looks a little weird - the non-purple one.
[03:23] <fabo> Riddell: keep ubuntu naming, update kaffeine to 0.8.2 and kmplayer to 0.9.3. We'll see the merge for edgy+1
[03:24] <Hawkwind> Is there a decided name for the release after Edgy yet, or when does that get decided ?
[03:24] <Riddell> fabo: sounds good, you'd need to do an upstream version freeze exception request, and no new features will be allowed
[03:24] <Jucato_> Hobbsee: wait a bit longer... I don't know what's slowing down my connection...
[03:25] <jsgotangco> its your porn downloads
[03:25] <Hobbsee> kwwii: the windowdecotest_new3.png for the inactive window overlay seems to look better, at least here - you may want to check that out
[03:25] <fabo> Riddell: ok
[03:25] <Riddell> kwwii: the more I look at this kicker background the more it just looks like a stripe through the middle
[03:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:26] <Hobbsee> yes, and?
[03:26] <Jucato_> heh
[03:26] <Hawkwind> Hmmm, window deco looks the same here too
[03:26] <bddebian> Heya
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[03:27] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:27] <Hawkwind> Hey there bddebian
[03:27] <bddebian> Hi Hawkwind
[03:27] <Jucato_> hi bddebian
[03:27] <Hawkwind> Jucato_: I think you're seeing things :P
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hi abattoir 
[03:27] <bddebian> Hello Jucato_
[03:28] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Good morning
[03:28] <Jucato_> hi abattoir
[03:28] <Jucato_> "hi"
[03:28] <Jucato_> gah! s2pd fingers!
[03:28] <abattoir> Hi, Hobbsee, Hawkwind, Jucato_ :D
[03:28] <Jucato_> http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/jucato/screenshots/new_windeco.png
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hmm...new konq buttons...
[03:29] <Hobbsee> muhahahaha
[03:29] <abattoir> the buttons look cool
[03:29] <Hobbsee> another victim
[03:30] <Hawkwind> I'm seeing that win deco too, but I guess I don't remember what the old one looked like :P
[03:30] <gnomefreak> what is the theme name for that?
[03:30] <Jucato_> it's Konqueror (with the new windeco) displaying a shot of Konqueror with the old windeco
[03:30] <Jucato_> so you could compare :
[03:30] <Jucato_> :P
[03:30] <Hobbsee> how do i kill konq to make it grab the new icons?
[03:30] <Jucato_> oh those aren't new icons
[03:30] <Jucato_> I mean, not new Crystal SVG icons
[03:31] <abattoir> there are new Crystal SVG icons?
[03:31] <Jucato_> abattoir: of course none :P
[03:31] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[03:31] <abattoir> Jucato_: aah, ok :)
[03:31] <kwwii> sorry, my son needed help with his homework
[03:32] <abattoir> kwwii: the windeco gradient and the buttons look cool :)
[03:32] <Jucato_> kwwii: you rock! you are officially my new favorite artist! (replacing ev____o)
[03:32] <abattoir> lol
[03:32] <kwwii> Hobbsee: so you like the softer highlight
[03:32] <gnomefreak> what theme is this?
[03:32] <abattoir> gnomefreak: the windeco is crystal
[03:32] <kwwii> Hobbsee: I spent a lot of time trying to decide which one
[03:32] <abattoir> (unless it has been changed)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i love what you've done, with the active window
[03:33] <Hobbsee> however, it really does look like a grey line thru the middle for the inactive
[03:33] <Jucato_> it's Crystal windeco with new Kubuntu buttons
[03:33] <Hobbsee> kwwii: the active one absolutely rocks, and it's making me wonder if i inherited a nice graphics card somehow by accident
[03:33] <gnomefreak> crystal svg or clear?
[03:33] <kwwii> ;-)
[03:33] <Jucato_> gnomefreak: ah the icon set?
[03:33] <gnomefreak> yes to start
[03:33] <Hobbsee> kwwii: want a screenshot of what i'm thinking?
[03:33] <kwwii> I was kinda worried about making such a big change but it seems people like it
[03:34] <Hobbsee> it's gorgeous :)
[03:34] <Jucato_> kwwii: you like making big changes don't yah? :P
[03:34] <Jucato_> gnomefreak: oxygen
[03:35] <kwwii> Hobbsee: I was actually using the 3b.png on the inactive window on my system, but thought I should only include one
[03:35] <gnomefreak> you got it from kde-look.org?
[03:35] <Jucato_> the kubuntu-panel.png looks a bit.. weird, though
[03:35] <Jucato_> gnomefreak: nope. svn.
[03:35] <gnomefreak> oxygen icons are not in kde that i can see
[03:36] <Jucato_> gnomefreak: oxygen will be KDE 4's new icon set
[03:36] <kwwii> gnomefreak: they are in playground/artwork
[03:36] <gnomefreak> k
[03:36] <kwwii> it should be moving into kde4 sometime soon
[03:36] <Jucato_> hopefully very soon :P
[03:36] <kwwii> perhaps shortly after akademy
[03:36] <Hobbsee> kwwii: http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/snapshot1.png
[03:36] <Hobbsee> to me, that looks prettier
[03:38] <Hobbsee> kwwii: specifically the gradients stuff - although i do prefer my close buttons on the side :P
[03:38] <abattoir> Hobbsee: is that the default kicker bg as well?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> abattoir: no, that's transparent, to go with my desktop background
[03:39] <abattoir> Hobbsee: oh, ok, thanks
[03:39] <Jucato_> the kubuntu-panel.png looks like it's split into two colors, not a gradient effect. i don't know if that's intended..
[03:39] <mornfall> i'd guess so
[03:40] <Hobbsee> it does look rather weird with anything but the default background, yes
[03:40] <mornfall> anyone with a screeny? :)
[03:40] <Hobbsee> mornfall: of?
[03:40] <Jucato_> ugh this is hopeless... I'm booting back into Dapper. :P
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:40] <mornfall> Hobbsee: default panel
[03:40] <Hobbsee> but dapper's so sold :P
[03:40] <mornfall> sold or old? :)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> does it get colourized or what?
[03:41] <Jucato_> Hobbsee: for some odd reason, my internet connection is crawling... I'm going to check if it's the same in Dapper
[03:41] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[03:41] <Jucato_> err.... colorized doesn't look good
[03:41] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:41] <Jucato_> heh bye :P
[03:42] <Hobbsee> http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/snapshot2.png
[03:42] <Hobbsee> mornfall: ^
[03:42] <mornfall> quoth the server, 404
[03:42] <Hobbsee> s/sold/old/  thanks mornfall 
[03:42] <Hobbsee> haha, right
[03:42] <kwwii> Hobbsee: you prefer simpler buttons, it seems
[03:43] <Hobbsee> oh, it's waiting on a password, dont mind me
[03:43] <mornfall> ye gods
[03:43] <Hobbsee> kwwii: true.  i'm not pushing for that change - i'm more meaning the gradients
[03:43] <Hobbsee> i just think those buttons look pretty
[03:43] <mornfall> my konq went all weird
[03:43] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i may have it wrong - i picked at the sources
[03:43] <Hobbsee> snapshot2.png                        100%  700KB  18.4KB/s   00:38
[03:43] <Hobbsee> now try
[03:44] <mornfall> it got mimetype right now
[03:44] <mornfall> oh, the panel looks fine :-)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> oh, the stuff down the side is my computing assignment, if anyone was wondering
[03:45] <mornfall> polyester look is all the craze these days, ain't it? :)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> mornfall: yes and no - that's polyester, with crystal buttons.  
[03:45] <Hobbsee> kinda weird :P
[03:46] <mornfall> i mean the lighting style
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[03:46] <Hobbsee> mornfall: where polyester == shiny, yes
[03:46] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:46] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i'm a girl, remember :P
[03:46] <mornfall> just solid grey fills with black lines
[03:46] <Hobbsee> i like shiny :P
[03:46] <mornfall> :-)
[03:47] <mornfall> talking about girls "An honest smile outshines all the jewelry of the world."
[03:47] <kwwii> I think we have reached almost the full saturation of bling
[03:47] <Hobbsee> good, because i never wear much jewelry :P
[03:48] <Hobbsee> kwwii: probably.  if you do too much more, it may look vista-esque
[03:48] <mornfall> oh
[03:48] <mornfall> i forgot about vista
[03:48] <mornfall> that one's shiny too, eh?
[03:48] <kwwii> which, as a mac user, would be boring
[03:48] <Hobbsee> that looks horrific with all the transparencies, last i saw
[03:49] <mornfall> you are entitled to transparency torture only if you have powerful gfx card -- which i don't, not to say i don't have vista :] 
[03:50] <Hobbsee> oh lovely.  so i'll never have it :P
[03:51] <kwwii> now if we could all work together and make new about, app start, and help pages!
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: poke in #kubuntu
[03:53] <Hobbsee> someone's been borking my fn-keys
[03:56] <Hobbsee> kmilo isnt running.  i wonder why not
[03:57] <Riddell> how do you know?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> i'm guessing, via ps aux
[03:57] <Hobbsee> how do i go about debugging it?
[03:58] <Riddell> it's not a process, it's part of kded
[03:58] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[03:58] <Hobbsee> how do i figure otu what's gone wrong then?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> apart from "iv'e killed something bad"
[04:08] <Hobbsee_> right, it
[04:08] <Hobbsee_> s' just my system going nuts
[04:08] <Hobbsee> what'd i miss?
[04:08] <Riddell> nothing
[04:08] <Jucato_> a lot of silence, I think
[04:08] <Hobbsee> okay
[04:08] <Hobbsee> it seems to like doing that
[04:09] <Jucato_> coz it loves you sooo much :)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:09] <Hobbsee> sure it does
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you spoke to the guy in #kubuntu ?
[04:10] <Riddell> yep
[04:11] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[04:11] <Jucato_> what guy? what happened? dang I missed out on the fun again...
[04:12] <abattoir> Jucato_: someone interested in a 'donation'
[04:12] <Jucato_> ooh donating to Kubuntu?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> 7es
[04:13] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:13] <Jucato_> nice
[04:15] <Hobbsee> i cant spell, clearly
[04:15] <Jucato_> your fingers love you too soooo much :)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> i'll blame it on the finger i broke a while ago.
[04:16] <Jucato_> ouch...
[04:16] <Hobbsee> a very *long* while ago, but i'll blame it on that anyway :P
[04:16] <Jucato_> ah
[04:19] <Hobbsee> time for bed
[04:23] <toma> bed? its 4.24pm
[04:24] <Jucato_> she's in australia, it's 12:25am
[04:35] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ?
[04:35] <imbrandon> Tonio_: pong
[04:35] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I jsut found the dapper mysql version has a bug....
[04:35] <Tonio_> imbrandon: MySQL Error  : Lost connection to MySQL server during query
[04:36] <Tonio_> I get this on certain queries, then I just have to relaunch them and it is okay
[04:36] <Tonio_> imbrandon: tried a backport and the problem is resolved...
[04:36] <Tonio_> imbrandon: shouldn't we backport this with proftpd ?
[04:37] <imbrandon> hrm lemme try to build it and see what the deps are, becouse AOLT ot things depend on mysql
[04:37] <imbrandon> alot*
[04:38] <Tonio_> imbrandon: heh.......
[04:38] <imbrandon> oh wow that would be like 10 packages, what mysql are you talking aobut 4.x or 5.x ? both are in dapper
[04:39] <Tonio_> imbrandon: Version: 5.0.21-3ubuntu1
[04:39] <Tonio_> this package
[04:39] <Tonio_> backporting 5.0.22 is okay
[04:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon: should impact anything
[04:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the error hasn't been reported to launchpad, but there are lots of threads on the net talking about that issue
[04:40] <imbrandon> well all the support packages would have to go along with it too i would think, i dunno, lemme finish breakfast then i'll ask arround
[04:40] <Tonio_> it doesn't work for some people for some unknown reason
[04:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes, okay
[04:41] <Tonio_> hum, that would mean backporting all packages compiled with mysql-dev....
[04:41] <Tonio_> I can understand the point
[04:41] <imbrandon> yea .....
[04:41] <imbrandon> probably isnt doable but i'll check
[04:41] <Tonio_> imbrandon: http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=46800
[04:41] <Tonio_> here is an example of discussion about that problem
[04:42] <Tonio_> the guy just had this when he migrated to edgy
[04:42] <Riddell> nixternal: how are the docs looking?
[04:42] <Tonio_> imbrandon: and concerning proftpd ?
[04:42] <imbrandon> filing it now, i just did a few other ones too this morning, kamoin wont get to them untill tomarrow though
[04:43] <imbrandon> moins Riddell 
[04:43] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay :)
[04:43] <nixternal> Riddell: they look pretty good I think. YOu want to look over them quickly before you build them?
[04:43] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the point is that such a bug is really annoying on a LTS version ;)
[04:43] <nixternal> imbrandon: you pinged me last night...anything important?
[04:43] <Tonio_> especially since the server part is supposed to be supported for 5 years
[04:45] <Riddell> nixternal: yes, I will do, thanks
[04:45] <imbrandon> nixternal: i cant rember why heh
[04:45] <imbrandon> probably not
[04:45] <imbrandon> Tonio_: yes very, but they only do the archive stuff on tue and friday iirc , well mostly , so it will get done , just might be a few days
[04:46] <imbrandon> yea but thats for security and updates , backports isnt supported ;(
[04:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon: heh, I was talking about mysql here, not proftpd :)
[04:46] <imbrandon> yea i know
[04:46] <Tonio_> ah okay ;)
[04:47] <Tonio_> it looks like socket connections are working, but you get sometimes timeouts on tcp requests...
[04:47] <Tonio_> this is why it doesn't impact lots of people
[04:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon: http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=5.0.21+MySQL+Error+%3A+Lost+connection+to+MySQL+server+during+query&btnG=Rechercher&meta=
[04:48] <Tonio_> hehe, looks like the bugs is widely known.... I'm just surprised none reported it to launchpad
[04:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I'll report it
[04:48] <imbrandon> yea i dont doubt the bug Tonio_ i just dont know if a backport of such a large package is feasible
[04:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon: of course, sounds logic :)
[04:49] <imbrandon> kinda like backporting kde 3.5.5 to dapper ;)
[04:49] <imbrandon> hehehe
[04:49] <Tonio_> hehe ;)
[04:52] <Riddell> kwwii: about? meeting in 10 mins
[04:52] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp, thanks for the reminder
[04:55] <Tonio_> imbrandon: wait....... it looks like a possible vbulletin bug, not mysql....... interesting
[04:55] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I get the information from mysql bts
[04:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:14] <jdong> imbrandon / Tonio_, please don't backport mysql.... :)
[05:14] <imbrandon> jdong: we know this
[05:14] <imbrandon> was already discussed ;)
[05:14] <jdong> k, I caught just a glimpse of that discussion
[05:15] <jdong> remember, short attention span? ;)
[05:15] <Jucato> heh... yeah, as proven by some *-plugin... :P
[05:16] <Tonio_> jdong don't mind we were just discussing about that, but it looks like my problem is vbulletin crashing with mysql 5.0.21
[05:16] <Tonio_> not mysql itself ;)
[05:16] <jdong> Jucato: it's not like the original dapper packages work anymore anyway :)
[05:17] <Jucato> well, it was working a few days ago :P
[05:18] <jdong> Jucato: here it complains about upstream changes to the download site
[05:18] <jdong> presumably because of adobe's security update
[05:18] <Jucato> heh
[05:18] <jdong> imbrandon: bug 61673, would a package name be helpful or enlightening?
[05:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61673 in dapper-backports "1.0-0ubuntu5 to dapper-backports" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61673
[05:19] <imbrandon> hahah yea add konversation to that please ( this is one reason the old backport stucture worked well )
[05:21] <Jucato> heh
[05:21] <imbrandon> that would cause many issues
[05:21] <imbrandon> anyhow busy atm bbiab
[05:23] <Riddell> abattoir: seen #ubuntu-meeting?
[05:23] <Riddell> 16:19 < Kamion> Riddell: yes, and I rearranged the code so he could slot in use of kwin or whatever, although I don't think I've seen a patch
[05:23] <Riddell>                 from him yet that does that
[05:23] <abattoir> Riddell: yes, i'm working on that...
[05:24] <Riddell> great
[05:24] <abattoir> Riddell: apparently to set a background you need to use QApplication.. which i think is a bit overkill
[05:24] <abattoir> Riddell: maybe you can help me :P
[05:24] <Riddell> background for what?
[05:24] <Riddell> I'm in the distro meeting just now
[05:25] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, sorry, i'll speak w/ you later
[05:25] <abattoir> (unless i figure it out myself)
[05:29] <fabo> could you confirm 61691 ?
[05:30] <imbrandon> Riddell: am i supose to be pre-paring stuff for these meetings too ? heh i just thought about that
[05:30] <imbrandon> after reading about tkm....
[05:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: no, he got a contract with canonical
[05:31] <imbrandon> ahhh ok , whew
[05:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: you can of course if you wish, but it's mostly useful for people with specs to implement
[05:31] <imbrandon> right ;)
[05:31] <imbrandon> maybe soonish but not this time ;)
[05:39] <Tonio_> imbrandon: confirmed, upgrading vbulletin resolves the issue.... sorry for bugging you...
[05:39] <imbrandon> Tonio_: no worries, its how we figure things out ;)
[05:40] <Tonio_> yup, true ;)
[05:58] <Tonio_> hum, I'm thinking about packaging eaccelerator.... would be nice to have this working by just installing a package
[06:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's that?
[06:07] <fabo> Riddell: could you confirm 61691 ? :)
[06:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: php caching system
[06:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: it keeps a cache with precompiled scripts, dynamically
[06:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is much, much faster when you use it
[06:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: just a question !
[06:08] <imbrandon> Tonio_: doesnt the zend engine already do that ?
[06:08] <Tonio_> imbrandon: it is much better than zend
[06:08] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[06:08] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I just think it hasa licence issue :)
[06:09] <Riddell> fabo: you need to add the debian changelog
[06:09] <Tonio_> Riddell, imbrandon: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/12 isn't that gpl violation ?
[06:09] <Tonio_> that's the eaccelerator licence
[06:09] <Tonio_> imbrandon: benches report that eaccelerator is about 5 times faster than zend
[06:10] <fabo> Riddell: i've got a nice bug somewhere :) click save changes and nothing added ...
[06:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: no
[06:11] <Riddell> fabo: on what?
[06:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: changing is not allowed ?
[06:11] <kwwii> is yakuake broken for everyone else too?
[06:11] <Tonio_> kwwii: works here
[06:11] <pygi> kwwii: !!!
[06:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: not of the GPL text no
[06:11] <kwwii> hi pygi
[06:11] <fabo> Riddell: on launchpad. i reloaded the page and have added the changelog
[06:12] <pygi> hi kwwii , long time no see :)
[06:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah... I never saw that line before.... hehe
[06:12] <kwwii> pygi: yeah, it has been a while
[06:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: AH ! changing the licence document, not the software.....
[06:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like I'm VERY tired....
[06:13] <Tonio_> okay let's go packaging then
[06:14] <Riddell> fabo: confirmed
[06:14] <Tonio_> kwwii: tried to remove your ~/.kde/share/config/yakuakerc ?
[06:14] <fabo> thanks
[06:15] <kwwii> Tonio_: yeah, that would be my next step
[06:15] <Tonio_> kwwii: let me know quick since I may go for a little sleep.... it looks like I'm not able to read english correctly now ;)
[06:16] <kwwii> Tonio_: erm, there is no yakuakerc
[06:16] <Tonio_> kwwii: weird......
[06:16] <Tonio_> what happens when you launch it ?
[06:16] <abattoir> Riddell: are you free now?
[06:16] <kwwii> funky
[06:16] <Riddell> abattoir: no, 15 mins
[06:16] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, thanks
[06:16] <kwwii> I had one, I know, because I have to change the kex combo for it to work on my machine
[06:17] <Tonio_> kwwii: I now provide a yakuakerc in kds....
[06:17] <Tonio_> maybe this has a problem with ppc machines ?
[06:17] <Tonio_> kwwii: what you can do is removing that file
[06:18] <kwwii> Tonio_: the file does not exist, how can I remove it?
[06:18] <Tonio_> kwwii: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/yakuakerc
[06:18] <kwwii> ahhhh
[06:18] <Tonio_> this one :)
[06:18] <Tonio_> it works nicelly here, but maybe has an issue with mac computers
[06:19] <kwwii> now it startts
[06:19] <kwwii> removing that file helped
[06:23] <Riddell> kwwii: could you track down which line in that file is the problem?
[06:23] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp, after the meeting is over
[06:23] <jdong> Riddell: kubuntu-desktop is being obnoxious.... it only wants guidance power manager, and no longer accepts kpowersave as an alternative
[06:24] <sebas> And it's damn right to do so :-)
[06:24] <Riddell> guidance power manager conflicts with kpowersave
[06:24] <Riddell> I don't know if that's necessarily the right thing to do
[06:24] <sebas> Riddell: Jim Bublitz sent a possible fix for the KUniqueApplication problem, btw.
[06:24] <sebas> Didn't try it yet.
[06:25] <Riddell> sebas: he also says he fixed konsole part support, so he's having a good day :)
[06:25] <sebas> The conflict has no technical reasons that I see, well maybe the brightness setting.
[06:25] <sebas> Yeah.
[06:25] <kwwii> Riddell: the only line that is different from what is now in me .kde/share/config/yakuakerc file is "focus=false"
[06:25] <kwwii> so set that to true
[06:25] <sebas> There was also some discussion whether to put pykde in kdesvn and develop it there, would be a good step IMO.
[06:25] <imbrandon> sebas: +1
[06:26] <sebas> Hooray!
[06:28] <kwwii> Riddell: funky, when I change my local file to focus=false it still works fine
[06:30] <jdong> Riddell: yes, powermanager should conflict kpowersave, but kubuntu-desktop shouldn't uninstall if I decide to go with kpowersave
[06:31] <jdong> Riddell: installing kpowersave should remove guidance-pm, but preserve kubuntu-desktop
[06:31] <sebas> Then you'd need a pm metapackage.
[06:31] <Riddell> no, I'll make it a recommends
[06:31] <sebas> Problem is that you lose a lot of stuff if you uninstall g-o-m
[06:31] <sebas> p that is.
[06:31] <sebas> It's the whole guidance package
[06:33] <Riddell> sebas: no, I split it
[06:33] <Riddell> fabo: ^^ might want to look at merging that into debian
[06:35] <kwwii> Riddell: forget my yakuake problems, I cannot reproduce them so it must have just been a wierd glithc
[06:35] <kwwii> glitch
[06:36] <sebas> Riddell: Ah, ok.
[06:36] <fabo> Riddell: ok, i must prepare an updated package for Debian and put it in unstable.
[06:39] <Riddell> abattoir: hi, what can I do?
[06:40] <abattoir> Riddell: when oem-config runs at first boot, i need to set /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.png as the background for the Xsession
[06:40] <abattoir> Riddell: Kamion currently does it using gtk
[06:40] <abattoir> Riddell: if i were to use qt, i'd need to initialise a QApplication(to use QPaintDevice and QPixmap)...
[06:41] <abattoir> Riddell: is that necessary? or would something like xsetroot do?
[06:41] <abattoir> (but xsetroot apparently doesnt support png)
[06:41] <Riddell> xsetroot was what I was thinking of
[06:41] <Riddell> but not supporting png is quite an issue
[06:42] <abattoir> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24258 is the gtk code
[06:42] <abattoir> self.background refers to the path of the image(and kindly ignore the indenting)
[06:47] <Riddell> I don't think you can do the same with QDesktopWidget
[06:48] <abattoir> i think QPaintDevice.x11AppRootWindow might help, but as i said, i'd need a QApplication, and wouldnt that be a bit overkill for just setting a background?
[06:49] <Tonio_> kwwii: hum, that's weird...... means that the default config is not compatible with ppc computers ? 
[06:49] <Riddell> abattoir: I'd say leave it for now and just do "xsetroot -solid lightblue"
[06:49] <inam> hi all... can someone help me... im looking for the source code of "cal"
[06:49] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, i'll do that...
[06:50] <abattoir> Riddell: thanks 
[06:50] <abattoir> or should it be purple :P
[06:50] <inam> !cal
[06:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:51] <Riddell> abattoir: ask kwwii :)
[06:51] <Riddell> inam: dpkg -S /usr/bin/cal
[06:51] <Riddell> inam: but that's a #kubuntu issue
[06:51] <Riddell> inam: apt-get source bsdmainutils
[06:52] <inam> Riddell, sorry for bothering... but i thot this is the space for developers and hence i should ask about source code locations here :)
[06:52] <inam> thanks anyways !
[06:55] <_Sime_> sebas: when are you leaving for dublin?
[06:58] <kwwii> Tonio_: no, I simply think that my system had some other problem at that exact moment
[06:58] <kwwii> Tonio_: or it was a random error
[06:58] <kwwii> Tonio_: as I cannot make it not work again
[06:58] <Tonio_> kwwii: ah....
[06:59] <kwwii> the purple color of the window deco is #6569ae, in case anyone wants to use that somewhere
[07:01] <kwwii> but it might be better to use one of the lighter blue colors from the wallpaper
[07:01] <nixternal> hey...i want the cool usplash!  i don't want to see the "test" one anymore
[07:01] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/blog/   <-- kwwii, #6569ae is my friend ;)
[07:02] <kwwii> nixternal: it should be in
[07:02] <kwwii> nixternal: lol
[07:02] <nixternal> i gotta hack around on that more today
[07:03] <nixternal> lemme reboot and see if i get the test usplash or the groovy one...
[07:03] <kwwii> nixternal: perhaps we should work on the khelp center header stuff
[07:03] <nixternal> yes..i shall return after this reboot...if i have a test usplash, im gonna hunt you down!! ;)
[07:03] <nixternal> brb
[07:03] <kwwii> nixternal: I will test some ideas and get in touch with you
[07:05] <kwwii> someone tell nixternal I will be back in an hour
[07:07] <fdoving> 19:07 < kwwii> someone tell nixternal I will be back in an hour
[07:07] <fdoving> that's CEST. 2mins ago.
[07:09] <nixternal> thx
[07:09] <nixternal> he got lucky ;)  my usplash is still the testing one
[07:09] <nixternal> anyone else having issues with "rebooting"?   when I reboot, all that happens for me is my screen shuts off, and the computer locks..i have to "reset" every time
[08:05] <kwwii> re
[08:30] <imbrandon> wheeee
[08:30] <kwwii> Riddell: so tomorrow is the deadline for including things in the beta?
[08:32] <imbrandon> kwwii: i think soo, from what they said in the u-devel earlier
[08:32] <imbrandon> early tomarrow sometime it looks like 
[08:33] <kwwii> well, then I better get cracking on the usplash
[08:33] <kwwii> imbrandon: thanks for packaging that stuff yesterday, I appreciate it
[08:34] <imbrandon> np kwwii anytime
[08:34] <imbrandon> just poke me if you ever need something thrown up and i'm arround
[08:34] <imbrandon> i like doing yours anyhow that way i get a sneek peek ;)
[08:35] <kwwii> hehe
[08:36] <imbrandon> hrm new stargate torrent finish, gonna watch that, if anyone needs me hilight my name so it beeps at me
[08:36] <kwwii> enjoy
[08:52] <nixternal> kwwii: whats up with the images for khelpcenter?
[08:52] <nixternal> also, anyone in here can do some doc proofing before we build it, that would be great!
[08:57] <kwwii> nixternal: I will try to make a new design based on the config of the old one
[08:57] <nixternal> cool
[08:58] <nixternal> we are good string wise, so there isn't a huge rush, unless Riddell says different
[08:59] <nixternal> is there something i can do to get the "pretty" usplash working, and not the test one?
[09:02] <kwwii> nixternal: for me it worked after putting the right sesolution in the config file
[09:04] <nixternal> # Usplash configuration file
[09:04] <nixternal> xres=640
[09:04] <nixternal> yres=480
[09:04] <nixternal> man i love the /cmd with konversation
[09:04] <gnomefreak> change it :)
[09:04] <nixternal> to what
[09:05] <nixternal> 800x600
[09:05] <gnomefreak> 1024x768
[09:05] <nixternal> k..lemme try that
[09:05] <gnomefreak> let me check on that
[09:05] <nixternal> lol
[09:05] <gnomefreak> xres=1024
[09:05] <gnomefreak> yres=768
[09:05] <nixternal> anything else i have to do after changing it?
[09:06] <nixternal> update-initramfs -u
[09:06] <gnomefreak> after you save it run sudo update-initramfs -
[09:06] <gnomefreak> u
[09:06] <gnomefreak> yes that
[09:07] <abattoir> gnomefreak: any idea if it supports widescreen resolutions?(1280x800) ?
[09:07] <gnomefreak> and poof done. if you want the text take quite out of the boot options in /grub/menu.lst
[09:07] <nixternal> reboot
[09:07] <gnomefreak> abattoir: i dont think it does. (i beilieve i saw that it was an issue)
[09:07] <abattoir> gnomefreak: aah, ok, thought it might not, thanks :)
[09:07] <gnomefreak> mjg would be the one to ask
[09:09] <kwwii> gnomefreak: yeah, Kamion fixed mine just so that I could test the new theming stuff :-)
[09:10] <gnomefreak> _ion fixed mine
[09:10] <gnomefreak> nixternal: ?????
[09:12] <nixternal> wow!
[09:12] <nixternal> all that did was give me a 1024x768 view of the Test usplash ;)
[09:14] <gnomefreak> nixternal: i dont have the test splash
[09:14] <gnomefreak> i have a real one
[09:14] <nixternal> i do unfortunately
[09:14] <gnomefreak> big ubuntu sign with sectioned progress bar
[09:15] <nixternal> i have that on my ubuntu box
[09:15] <nixternal> but not my kubuntu box
[09:15] <gnomefreak> nixternal: try sudo update-alternatives and change the usplash
[09:15] <gnomefreak> i use sudo update-alternatives --all only cause i can never remember what the name of it is
[09:17] <nixternal> didn't run across anything for usplash
[09:18] <nixternal> There is only 1 program which provides usplash-artwork.so
[09:18] <nixternal> (/usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so). Nothing to configure.
[09:18] <nixternal> thats why
[09:19] <gnomefreak> only kubuntu on that box?
[09:19] <nixternal> ya
[09:19] <gnomefreak> that would be why :(
[09:19] <nixternal> it seems there is a broken link in /usr/lib/usplash
[09:20] <nixternal> usplash-artwork.so -> /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so
[09:20] <nixternal> all of the usplash links are broken
[09:21] <nixternal>  /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so -> /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so
[09:21] <nixternal> a link that points to itself
[09:23] <nixternal> bet it works now
[09:23] <nixternal> brb
[09:23] <nixternal> reboot
[09:27] <gnomefreak> work?
[09:29] <nixternal> yup
[09:29] <nixternal> is there a way to create a patch to fix the /etc/alternatives/ link?
[09:30] <nixternal> that is the issue
[09:30] <nixternal> and there are a lot of people with the problem
[09:32] <kwwii> nixternal: sounds nasty
[09:32] <nixternal> it has been plaguing me forever
[09:32] <kwwii> is it an update issue or an install issue?
[09:36] <nixternal> dunno
[09:36] <nixternal> im thinking update
[09:36] <nixternal> as i have had this edgy since day one
[09:36] <nixternal> and updates never fixed it
[09:39] <kwwii> so how does one install mp3 support in edgy?
[09:39] <kwwii> I ask this for every release
[09:39] <kwwii> eventually, when I get my sound working it becomes important
[09:40] <kwwii> I love the fact that amarok offers to install it per pop-up everytime I click on an mp3 file but the fact that that pop-up does exactly nothing is kinda irratating
[09:43] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[09:43] <nixternal> or ya, amarok offers that now
[09:44] <nixternal> really..amarok has installed it for me in the past..maybe they broke something
[09:44] <gnomefreak> nixternal: did you knwo you were banned from kubuntu-offtopic
[09:44] <kwwii> well, it does not work for me
[09:44] <nixternal> now i did
[09:44] <nixternal> that was when i got hacked
[09:44] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[09:45] <nixternal> i went from a cisco pix 501 router to a linksys wrt54g router..and in a matter of minutes i had issues
[09:46] <kwwii> libxine-extracodecs is already the newest version.
[09:46] <kwwii> and it still doesn#t work
[09:46] <kwwii> imbrandon: problems with amarok on your ppc?
[09:47] <kwwii> I have exactly one CD in ogg, the other 30Gb in MP3
[09:47] <imbrandon> works ok here , thats what i package amarok on is a ppc, you did restart amarok ( including the tray icon ) after you installed the libxine right ?
[09:48] <imbrandon> although there was a libxine update today , i havent downloaded it
[09:48] <imbrandon> i hope amarok dosent have to be rebuilt against it
[09:49] <kwwii> imbrandon: yepp, it was installed a long time ago
[09:50] <imbrandon> hrmm ok give me a bit to go grab my laptop and check it out
[09:59] <nixternal> speaking of amarok..i noticed last night that the sound seemed 'distorted' a little bit
[10:00] <imbrandon> that means its time for a qtip nixternal  ;)
[10:00] <nixternal> haha
[10:00] <nixternal> it sounds fine now...if you take the volume in amarok above 80%, you will get it
[10:00] <imbrandon> yea thats normal
[10:01] <nixternal> maybe for amarok, not iTunes ;)
[10:01] <imbrandon> leave it at 80 and adj the normal sound system
[10:01] <imbrandon> its normal for anything that uses a real eq system
[10:01] <imbrandon> i stand corrected ;)
[10:04] <imbrandon> ( e.g itunes changes the system mixer level , amaroks voluume acts like a preamp its not tied to the systems mixers )
[10:04] <imbrandon> anyhow bbiab
 its normal for anything that uses a real eq system
[10:05] <nixternal> ermm...you mean amplifier...eq doesn't amp levels, just cleans um
[10:06] <nixternal> but you are correct...any "real" audio system will usually distort between 78% and 84% i believe it is
[10:08] <kwwii> well, I have heard the same album 5 times today, and unless you want me to switch to Rammstein I hope someone could figure it out
[10:08] <kwwii> :p
[10:12] <nixternal> haha
[10:12] <nixternal> rammstein rocks!
[10:12] <nixternal> you need some sammy!
[10:13] <nixternal> the new hagar album rocks big time...i like how he mixed rock, blues, and country in this one
[10:13] <imbrandon> hrmm
[10:14] <imbrandon> kwwii: this is on my ppc ^^
[10:14] <nixternal> hahahaha
[10:14] <nixternal> shakira
[10:14] <nixternal> lol
[10:14] <nixternal> she is hot, but her music isn't
[10:14] <imbrandon> dude she is hotness
[10:14] <Tm_T> so?
[10:14] <nixternal> her videos are intense
[10:14] <nixternal> hahah Tm_T!
[10:14] <Tm_T> it's _music_ not porno
[10:14] <nixternal> +1
[10:14] <kwwii> imbrandon: you suck
[10:14] <nixternal> roflmfao
[10:14] <kwwii> imbrandon: on my powerbook it would probably work
[10:14] <imbrandon> i like he music too FWIW
[10:15] <Tm_T> anyway, I'm going to sleep ;) ->
[10:15] <nixternal> nite Tm_T
[10:15] <imbrandon> kwwii: try it to make sure
[10:15] <imbrandon> if you can
[10:15] <kwwii> honestly, this eMac is the best test for ppc
[10:15] <imbrandon> gnight Tm_T 
[10:15] <kwwii> *nothing* works
[10:15] <imbrandon> haha
[10:15] <nixternal> lol
[10:15] <kwwii> I have to edit the Xorg conf per hand
[10:15] <nixternal> mp3's, m4a's, ogg, and wma's all work
[10:16] <imbrandon> haha
[10:16] <DaSkreech> Awwww Sweet :-)
[10:16] <imbrandon> i should convert my collection to ogg, it would take a week or two
[10:16] <kwwii> I will switch to Rammstein (the only other ogg's I have) and freak people out (like I did in Wiesbaden)
[10:17] <kwwii> actually, the eMac has really nice speakers
[10:17] <imbrandon> du hast mich
[10:17] <imbrandon> mitch?
[10:17] <kwwii> du, du hast, du hast mich
[10:17] <kwwii> it is a play on words
[10:17] <imbrandon> i love that song
[10:17] <kwwii> you have me vs. you hate me
[10:17] <kwwii> the difference is in how long the s is in the word
[10:18] <imbrandon> ah
[10:19] <imbrandon> i keep them in mp3 mainly so i can play them on my ipod in the apple os
[10:20] <imbrandon> nother hottie ;P
[10:21] <nixternal> haha
[10:22] <imbrandon> the last few weeks though my fav song has been "Rockstar" by nickelback, man that song rocks, nixternal you should grab it
[10:22] <nixternal> ya
[10:22] <nixternal> i have it
[10:22] <nixternal> it is a good song...nickleback got me with that one song they did last year
[10:23] <imbrandon> all nickelback rocks actualy
[10:23] <imbrandon> .... and a king sized tub big enough for 10 plus me .......
[10:23] <imbrandon> i can see it now in cali it will only be kwwii and me outside smokin and listning to ramstein
[10:23] <imbrandon> lol
[10:25] <kwwii> hehe
[10:25] <imbrandon> ./` .... i'm gonna trade this life for fortune and fame, i'll even cut my hair and change my name .... ./`
[10:25] <kwwii> probably
[10:25] <nixternal> i will sit outside and listen as well..but i won't smoke
[10:26] <imbrandon> heh i couldent deal with computers without a smoke
[10:26] <imbrandon> it would drive me nuts
[10:26] <nixternal> ya..that is why i go afk quite a bit ;)
[10:26] <imbrandon> ( and a mt dew ) ;P
[10:26] <nixternal> i used to smoke..and when i wa sont he puter, it was smokes and dew non-stop
[10:26] <nixternal> but since i quit them both...i have to take breaks
[10:27] <imbrandon> my breaks are for a cute mexican hottie that has me drag her out on the town now and then and to goto the fridge for more dew, thats it
[10:28] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:28] <nixternal> hehe
[10:28] <nixternal> im taking a break this week..im heading to the great countryside of canada tomorrow
[10:29] <kwwii> nixternal: you'll fit well in ca
[10:30] <kwwii> :-)
[10:30] <nixternal> i should be in toronto for about 30 minutes and then on a little crasher called a puddle jumper
[10:30] <nixternal> heh
[10:31] <nixternal> haha
[10:32] <nixternal> this song ownz, and she is a hottie!
[10:32] <nixternal> southern women FTW!
[10:39] <nixternal> hehe
[10:39] <nixternal> imbrandon: you need to fire up revu and take a look at my packages, that are probably obsolete by now
[10:39] <imbrandon> dude i'm sleepy, barely able to make amarok and frostwire function
[10:40] <imbrandon> heh i will when i have slept
[10:40] <imbrandon> wouldent be much good now
[10:43] <nixternal> ln -s /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so
[10:43] <nixternal> that fixes it
[10:45] <imbrandon> is that what the problem is ?>
[10:46] <gnomefreak> nixternal: the usplash is just blue kubuntu with a progress bar?
[10:46] <nixternal> ya
[10:47] <nixternal> imbrandon: yes that is the problem
[10:47] <nixternal> and a stupid one at that
[10:47] <nixternal> follow the links, it is one big circle
[10:47] <nixternal> you go from /usr/lib -> /etc/alternatives/ -> /usr/lib
[10:48] <nixternal>  /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so -> /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so
[10:49] <nixternal>  /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so -> /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so
[10:51] <imbrandon> ahh found the problem
[10:51] <imbrandon> fixing .....
[10:51] <nixternal> it was that for youa s well?
[10:52] <imbrandon> mine was ok, i'm talking about the package
[10:52] <nixternal> i meant to write that up, as there are a "ton" of Kubuntu edgy users complaining that they still have the "test" usplash
[10:52] <imbrandon> bah there on a development release
[10:52] <imbrandon> it will be fixed shortly
[10:52] <nixternal> ya, but still, it needs to work in order to stop the bugs ;)
[10:52] <nixternal> cool...
[10:53] <nixternal> funny thing...we should have realized this sooner shouldn't we?
[10:53] <nixternal> why did it take the one no0b to find it?
[10:53] <nixternal> ;)
[10:53] <imbrandon> why it was just released a few days ago
[10:53] <imbrandon> becouse it wasent a priority ;)
[10:54] <nixternal> ahh
[10:54] <nixternal> well...this no0b is still taking the victory lap for it ;)
[10:55] <imbrandon> hrm actualy
[10:55] <imbrandon> it should be working 
[10:55] <imbrandon> ase "$1" in
[10:55] <imbrandon>     configure)
[10:55] <imbrandon>         update-alternatives --remove usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so
[10:55] <imbrandon>         update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so 15
[10:55] <imbrandon>         update-initramfs -u
[10:55] <imbrandon>         ;;
[10:55] <imbrandon> esac
[10:58] <nixternal> hmm..that is odd..it should
[10:58] <DaSkreech> Which one is the pretty one?
[10:58] <DaSkreech> The one with Segments?
[11:00] <nixternal> there is another one?
[11:00] <nixternal> i have the glossy kubuntu logo, with the status bar below
[11:00] <imbrandon> there is only one
[11:00] <nixternal> ok
[11:00] <DaSkreech> Oh then I have that one then :)
[11:00] <DaSkreech> I can't edit repos from Adept though :-(
[11:04] <nixternal> adept?
[11:04] <nixternal> what is adept?
[11:04] <nixternal> ;)
[11:04] <nixternal> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:04] <nixternal> quicker and easier
[11:10] <imbrandon> ok nixternal you got one of those "ton" of people handy
[11:20] <DaSkreech> I know but there are huge number of people who join #kubuntu and don't want to use GUI
[11:20] <DaSkreech> and an equal number who can't use anything but
[11:20] <DaSkreech> Hmm Can I have X output on two Videocards at the same time?
[11:21] <imbrandon> yes
[11:21] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: like the same output, or split output... half a screen on each monitor...
[11:21] <imbrandon> ryanakca: you can do either one
[11:21] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:21] <ryanakca> imbrandon: ah :)
[11:22] <imbrandon> you just cant have X on one and a seperate X on the other
[11:22] <DaSkreech> You can't? that sucks
[11:23] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: how would you determine what X server has the input for your mouse and keyboard
[11:24] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping
[11:25] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee 
[11:25] <mornfall> hi Hobbsee 
[11:25] <ryanakca> hey pointystickperson
[11:25] <mornfall> anything wrong with that?
[11:25] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: is your computer a upgrade or a fresh knot install ? ( eg do you have the testcard usplash or not ), i thnk i fixed it but i need a tester before i upload
[11:26] <imbrandon> heya mornfall 
[11:26] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon, mornfall, ryanakca 
[11:26] <Hobbsee> mornfall: good man :P
[11:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: fresh knot 2 install, iirc
[11:26] <ryanakca> imbrandon: my computer is a fresh know install... 
[11:26] <Hobbsee> might be knot 1
[11:26] <ryanakca> know 3
[11:32] <Riddell> but actually, it is
[11:32] <imbrandon> but i cant be certain
[11:32] <Riddell> imbrandon: don't we already have that?
[11:32] <kwwii> ryanakca: no idea...it should not be that way
[11:32] <imbrandon> nope we have --install but not --set
[11:32] <Riddell> imbrandon: aah
[11:32] <kwwii> Riddell: good answer, but does anything specifially piss you off?
[11:32] <ryanakca> kwwii: wierd... 
[11:32] <imbrandon> Riddell: should i upload it , or find someone to test ?
[11:32] <kwwii> no worries about the answer
[11:33] <kwwii> ryanakca: they should look like http://bootsplash.org/snapshot8.png
[11:33] <Riddell> imbrandon: I keep forgetting you have main upload now :)
[11:33] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:34] <ryanakca> kwwii: nope...
[11:34] <Riddell> imbrandon: does it need to be --install'ed then --set ?
[11:34] <Riddell> imbrandon: man page doesn't say anything about --set adding it, although it would seem daft not to
[11:34] <imbrandon> Riddell: from what i read in the man page it does
[11:35] <imbrandon> here is what i changed it to
[11:35] <imbrandon> case "$1" in
[11:35] <imbrandon>     configure)
[11:35] <imbrandon>         update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so 10
[11:35] <imbrandon>         update-alternatives --set usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so
[11:35] <imbrandon>         update-initramfs -u
[11:35] <imbrandon>         ;;
[11:35] <imbrandon> esac
[11:35] <Riddell> imbrandon: looks good to me, do it
[11:36] <imbrandon> kk
[11:36] <Riddell> kwwii: I like how ubuntu doesn't have a black background on their current usplash
[11:36] <kwwii> Riddell: good point, I was waiting for that to be tested
[11:36] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea i like that too, i was gonna sugest it for us 
[11:37] <kwwii> not sure if it would always be the right size
[11:38] <kwwii> erm, I meant whether it would be enclosed by black bars on the sides due to the non-scaling of some resolutions
[11:38] <Riddell> kwwii: I'd have hoped usplash would have a setting for the default background colour to fill the whole screen with
[11:39] <Riddell> but probably it doesn't
[11:39] <kwwii> Riddell: I am sure that is possible, now, somehow
[11:39] <kwwii> Seveas is very receptive to simple ideas
[11:39] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: I like them...
[11:39] <kwwii> but he just came home from a conference
[11:40] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: they rock
[11:40] <ryanakca> kwwii: what folders do I delete to have kde revert to it's default look?
[11:40] <Riddell> kwwii: I'm also not convinced about the kicker background, but we'll leave it in for beta and see what people say
[11:40] <kwwii> Riddell: so I I guess we will not update the usplash until after the beta, unless you want to do it
[11:40] <DaSkreech> They make buttons look funny though
[11:40] <Riddell> ryanakca: kubuntu-default-settings
[11:40] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: .kde/
[11:40] <imbrandon> Riddell: uploaded
[11:40] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: oh, yeah
[11:40] <Riddell> imbrandon: thanks
[11:40] <kwwii> Riddell: that is one thing that mark specifically mentioned on the ubuntu list
[11:40] <ryanakca> .kde/share?what
[11:40] <kwwii> he likes backgrounds
[11:40] <ryanakca> I mean .kde/share/what?
[11:40] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea sabdfl asked for one
[11:41] <Riddell> for a kicker background?
[11:41] <imbrandon> yea "pannel" bg is what he said but yea
[11:41] <Riddell> kicker is panel
[11:41] <imbrandon> right
[11:41] <Riddell> oh well, I can just blame it on him then :)
[11:41] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:41] <kwwii> he said he liked them
[11:42] <kwwii> so I thought, ok...let's try one
[11:42] <DaSkreech> Is it me or has the Cd gotten smaller?
[11:42] <imbrandon> plus the pannel bg matches the windeco better
[11:42] <Riddell> I thought the contrast between the kubuntu report and the ubuntu report at today's developer meeting was interesting
[11:42] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: it just fit on my CD without overburning...
[11:42] <imbrandon> Riddell: hahaha yea i noticed that too
[11:42] <DaSkreech> The ISO is smaller
[11:42] <DaSkreech> What was the contrast?
[11:43] <kwwii> Riddell: do you know how long mark will be at akademy? perhaps we can show him a current system?
[11:43] <Riddell> kwwii: just the tuesday, but yes we should
[11:43] <ryanakca> kwwii: you have any other panel background I can test?
[11:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what about it?
[11:43] <kwwii> Riddell: I even thought about making screenshots and showing him in an email
[11:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i havent seen it yet
[11:43] <kwwii> ryanakca: NOPE
[11:44] <ryanakca> kwwii: lol... *attempts to create one for himself*
[11:44] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: What was the Contrast?
[11:44] <imbrandon> kwwii: if you do attach them , like he said in his "soyuz a road warrior" thing hehehe
[11:44] <ryanakca> oooh... katapult is purple... nice
[11:44] <kwwii> Riddell: in the end, I followed everything he said about how he wants gnome to be
[11:44] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: huh ?
[11:44] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Between Ubuntu and Kubuntu reports at the meeting?
[11:44] <imbrandon> only did it kubuntuized
[11:44] <kwwii> imbrandon: huh?
[11:45] <kwwii> reports of the meeting?
[11:45] <imbrandon> kwwii: i mean that in a good way ;) kubuntuized
 I thought the contrast between the kubuntu report and the ubuntu report at today's developer meeting was interesting
[11:45] <kwwii> I wouldn't mind seeing those
[11:45] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: umm its hard to explain you'll have to read the log
[11:45] <ryanakca> kwwii: what's the default size for a panel gradient thingy?
[11:46] <imbrandon> basicly kwwii said "yea we're rocking right on track" and ubuntu was the opsite
[11:46] <kwwii> ryanakca: i guessed 12[
[11:46] <kwwii> 128
[11:46] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: ^^
[11:46] <kwwii> hehe, yeah
[11:46] <kwwii> well, that is not my fault
[11:46] <ryanakca> kwwii: soo... 128x16?
[11:46] <Hobbsee> !logs
[11:46] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[11:47] <kwwii> ryanakca: it could just as well be 1x128
[11:47] <imbrandon> ryanakca: it dosent matter much kicker will scale it to the size it needs
[11:47] <ryanakca> kwwii: kk
[11:48] <imbrandon> ryanakca: there are some examples from kde ( ugly imho but none the less ) in /usr/share/apps/kicker/wallpapers including the default one from kde
[11:48] <ryanakca> imbrandon: kk
[11:48] <DaSkreech> Ack
[11:49] <DaSkreech> Was Sabdfl in the meeting?
[11:49] <imbrandon> no
[11:50] <DaSkreech> Hmm What else should I grep for
[11:50] <DaSkreech> Ohh Duh What time did the meeting start?
[11:50] <kwwii> 15:00 UTC
[11:50] <DaSkreech> ok
[11:51] <kwwii> just check for my nick and fschoep
[11:51] <imbrandon> fschoep is the ubuntu AiC
[11:51] <kwwii> they are having a conf call next week
[11:51] <imbrandon> tomarrow iirc kwwii 
[11:51] <kwwii> we are basically close to done
[11:51] <kwwii> or tomorrow
[11:52] <kwwii> I would love to take part in that
[11:52] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:53] <imbrandon> kwwii: why not have the same BG as the others in uspash ?
[11:53] <imbrandon> then it would be consistant all the way
[11:54] <Riddell> imbrandon: because it's brown
[11:54] <imbrandon> no no i mean
[11:54] <imbrandon> the desktop kspash kdm wallpaper
[11:54] <imbrandon> use that as the bg for uspash also
[11:54] <imbrandon> bake it the same all the way though
[11:54] <imbrandon> s/bake/make
[11:54] <Riddell> oh, too many colours probably, but interesting idea
[11:55] <kwwii> too many colors
[11:55] <imbrandon> ahh
[11:55] <kwwii> I thought about putting it on a solid color other than black
[11:55] <kwwii> like a dark purple
[11:55] <imbrandon> or that light almost blue color from amarok context menu
[11:56] <kwwii> Riddell: if you want to update the uslash before the beta, I have a tar.gz ready with new pics
[11:56] <Riddell> kwwii: sure, what's new in it?
[11:56] <imbrandon> i am thinking light looks good becosue look at the light brown and the apple boot grey
[11:56] <kwwii> Riddell: the logo is a bit smaller, and it includes a 640x480 theme which, without adding some code will not work, I guess
[11:57] <Riddell> abattoir: did you send a patch to kamion?
[11:57] <kwwii> but at least, we could update the current pics
[11:57] <Riddell> kwwii: code to usplash?
[11:57] <kwwii> Riddell: to the theme file, yes
[11:57] <kwwii> I originally made it for 640x480 so the pics are really the same :-)
[11:58] <kwwii> funy how that works
[11:58] <imbrandon> Riddell: i finaly figured out how to use uuencode and friends properly too when updating kwin-style-crystal for kwwii the other day ;)
[11:58] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:59] <Riddell> imbrandon: they're tricky beasties richt enough
[11:59] <imbrandon> heh yea, honestly i would say the hardest thing about packing i have learned 
[11:59] <Riddell> kwwii: where is the theme file?
[11:59] <Riddell> imbrandon: document it!
[11:59] <ajmitch> imbrandon: why so?
[11:59] <Riddell> imbrandon: add it to the packaging guide
[11:59] <ajmitch> imbrandon: we'll have to find more challenging things for you
[12:00] <imbrandon> yea good idea Riddell 
[12:00] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ohh i'm sure ;)
[12:00] <imbrandon> ajmitch: basicly becouse i couldne t find docs on using them in a package 
[12:00] <Hobbsee> he's a core dev now, he has to be constantly challenged
[12:00] <imbrandon> and no one else was awake
[12:00] <kwwii> Riddell: you can simply replace the pics for existing pics, the extra theme for 640x480 does not exist yet
[12:00] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/usplash.tar.gz
[12:00] <imbrandon> ajmitch: heh
[12:00] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: we all sit at his feet & bask in his wisdom?
[12:01] <Riddell> kwwii: since imbrandon just uploaded I can't do it until I get the new sources (or he could do it)
[12:01] <kwwii> I hope that the color palette is not in the other files somehow
[12:01] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: exactly.  and yours
[12:01] <kwwii> hehe
[12:01] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: and then poke you both wiht the long pointy stick
[12:01] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I don't count
[12:01] <Hobbsee> yes you do.
[12:02] <imbrandon> Riddell: i missed part of the convo , something else to update ?
[12:03] <Riddell> imbrandon: new usplash images http://bootsplash.org/usplash.tar.gz
[12:03] <imbrandon> ahh okie, yea i just uploaded so i would have to do it, or wait, now i see
[12:03] <imbrandon> grabbing it now
[12:06] <kwwii> well, time for sleep
[12:07] <DaSkreech> Night
[12:07] <kwwii> see you all tomorrow
[12:07] <DaSkreech> Not me :)
[12:07] <imbrandon> kwwii / Riddell uploaded
[12:07] <imbrandon> gnight kwwii 
[12:10] <Riddell> imbrandon: we're in freeze but lucky for you I just got your upload approved :)
[12:11] <imbrandon> oh shit, i thought that dident start till tomarrow
[12:12] <ajmitch> imbrandon: nope :)
[12:12] <imbrandon> whew , thanks Riddell 
[12:12] <Hobbsee> heh, i see what you mean @ the meeting