[12:20] <LasaerJock> not too far away
[12:24] <nixternal> hey...kubuntu docs..we are going to be replacing the current kde logos and what not to kubuntu ones...if they don't get done by tomorrow, it should be fine correct?
[12:24] <nixternal> tomorrow is string freeze..but if i make a change to .xsl files, will that be alright?
[12:24] <LasaerJock> I don't think that should be a problem
[12:24] <LasaerJock> the string feeze is mostly for translation
[12:25] <nixternal> ok
[12:25] <nixternal> man...we have 1 day..i don't feel that a lot of docs are ready
[12:25] <nixternal> kdg and release notes for kubuntu are good to go...the about section needs some love maybe
[12:26] <nixternal> xubuntu guys been working hard...and the only ubuntu stuff was structure to the dg, and the switching guide, which doesn't matter, as it isn't going to ship with edgy
[12:26] <LasaerJock> well, I'll finish up the packaging guide tonight
[12:27] <nixternal> that im not to worried about ;)
[12:27] <nixternal> ubuntu stuff is scary
[12:27] <theCore> LasaerJock, you working on it?
[12:27] <theCore> LasaerJock, can I help?
[12:28] <LasaerJock> theCore: perhaps, I'm not sure
[12:28] <LasaerJock> theCore: you could look over the first few chapters
[12:29] <theCore> btw, any reasons why your nickname is mangled?
[12:30] <theCore> it been awhile since a worked on the documention
[12:30] <theCore> documentation*
[12:33] <nixternal> haha
[12:33] <nixternal> i just noticed that
[12:34] <nixternal> and to think, all that money on college, and he can't spell his own damn nick ;)
[12:36] <theCore> LasaerJock, I think I could do a section about how to package Python modules
[12:45] <LaserJock> whatever :p
[12:45] <LaserJock> theCore: if you can finish it today :-0
[12:45] <theCore> really?
[12:45] <theCore> ah, I'm always at the last minute...
[12:46] <LaserJock> me too
[02:53] <nixternal> robotgeek: how does the KDG look? is it ready for tomorrow's string freeze?
[02:55] <Burgwork> oh geez, the desktop guide for ubuntu is messed
[02:56] <nixternal> damn...im trying to finish up release notes now Burgwork, if needbe i can help out with that after class tonight
[02:56] <nixternal> omg jjesse !!#@@#@
[02:56] <nixternal> dude, i was just so thinking about you with the string freeze tomorrow
[02:56] <jjesse> the client i'm at doesn't allow irc
[02:56] <jjesse> :(
[02:56] <nixternal> how does the kubuntu about doc look?
[02:56] <jjesse> i'll be there till novemember :(
[02:57] <Burgwork> thanks
[02:57] <Burgwork> I need to bang away the book tonight
[02:57] <nixternal> im getting ready to finish up the release notes here in a few
[02:57] <jjesse> looks good i think i'll take a look at it
[02:57] <jjesse> Burgwork: me too aniversary today so i'm not at computer much, just checking in
[02:57] <nixternal> release notes have been proofed once..let me add this quick fix, and submit for more proofing
[02:59] <nixternal> ok..just comitted the release notes edits i did..so if someone wants to proof them
[03:01] <jjesse> ok heading back out for a bit, i'll proof after wife goes to bed
[03:02] <nixternal> haha ok
[03:02] <nixternal> i have someone proofing it now as well
[03:02] <nixternal> there are some guys who want to help out kubuntu, so i am abusing them
[03:02] <nixternal> i mean using them
[03:02] <nixternal> brb
[03:02] <Burgwork> and I am still at work at 6pm, actually working
[03:03] <Burgwork> we need to have another meeting
[03:03] <Burgwork> I will see if I can get official timeoff to come to it
[03:06] <Burgwork> well, I am headed home now
[03:20] <nixternal> jeesh..don't lock the session with a livecd ;)
[04:15] <nixternal> jjesse: http://r1.fodey.com/1a2fab3486eb1405789a0d1973fdb558e.1.gif
[05:26] <LaserJock> alright, I think I'm done with the packaging guide
[05:26] <nixternal> woohoo
[05:26] <nixternal> im gonna eat something, and then get to some doc stuff ;)
[05:26] <LaserJock> only a 32k diff though
[05:27] <LaserJock> it seemed bigger :/
[06:02] <robotgeek> nixternal: seems fine, i think
[07:51] <nixternal> hmm...how smart would it be to change all 'irc.freenode.net' to 'irc.ubuntu.com'?  
[07:52] <nixternal> or maybe create &ubuntu-irc-network;, &ubuntu-irc-server; and what not?  just in case something happens after the freeze, and say we move everything to OFTC
[07:53] <Burgundavia> nixternal: does irc.ubuntu.com work?
[07:53] <nixternal> ya
[07:53] <nixternal> it is the Kubuntu default now
[07:54] <Burgundavia> then do it
[07:54] <nixternal> create entities would be the best i think
[07:56] <nixterna1> this is irc.ubuntu.com ;)
[07:56] <nixternal> alrighty..here i go on my massive search-n-replace mission
[08:17] <nixternal> Burgundavia: do you know if 'ubuntu/browser-startpage/*.html' are built from one file and a .pot, or are they manually created?  please tell me from a .pot file or something, as there are a lot of edits that have to me made to those
[08:18] <Burgundavia> hmm, i have no idea, off the top of my head
[08:19] <nixternal> alrighty...irc network and server changes complete
[08:20] <nixternal> i will look into those html files..im thinking they are generated from a .pot file because of all the languages in there
[08:20] <nixternal> i know we don't give translators an html file to do...
[08:22] <Madpilot> translators generally smoke pot, don't they?
[08:22] <Madpilot> ;)
[08:25] <nixternal> haha
[08:25] <nixternal> i wouldn't doubt it
[08:26] <Madpilot> I meant .pot, of course
[08:26] <nixternal> ya
[08:26] <nixternal> me too ;)
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61631 in ubuntu-doc "Unreadable Desktop Guides in Russian" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61631
[01:43] <pepsiman> in ubuntu-docs/generic/serverguide/C/network-applications.xml
[01:43] <pepsiman> "...db.root...The servers change over time and must be maintained now and then."
[01:43] <pepsiman> does it really mean "The servers" are "maintained", or the db.root file?
[01:44] <bhuvan> db.root file
[01:45] <pepsiman> can you change the text to make it more obvious?
[01:45] <bhuvan> hmm, like?
[01:46] <pepsiman> The servers change over time, so the db.root file must be maintained now and then
[01:46] <bhuvan> pepsiman: ok
[01:52] <pepsiman> "(the routing table is always computed in advance, and thus the route is precisely the same each time it used)"
[01:53] <pepsiman> should that say "each time it is used"?
[01:55] <bhuvan> pepsiman: db.root change is committed in r3311. if you have more, we are glad to hear them. please raise an issue in launchpad
[01:56] <pepsiman> I have about 5 more
[01:56] <bhuvan> great!
[01:57] <pepsiman> but I've been looking at the Dapper docs, so I need to check current docs first
[02:00] <pepsiman> I'll make a patch
[02:16] <pepsiman> done
[02:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61647 in ubuntu-docs "Typos in Ubuntu Server Guide" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61647
[04:34] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61445 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Unreadable Desktop Guides in Russian" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61445
[05:02] <nixternal> bug #46906
[05:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46906 in ubuntu-docs "wrong use of filename instead of guilabel/guibutton in conventions chapter" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46906
[05:03] <nixternal> is it ok to fix that bug in the dapper branch?
[05:03] <nixternal> i commited a fix for edgy already
[06:46] <nixternal> Riddell: have you had the chance to glance at the docs yet?  i know you have been busy with the meeting and all. if you find anything in there (about, release, or dg), let me know and I will fix it ASAP for you
[06:47] <Riddell> nixternal: not yet, will do later
[06:47] <nixternal> roger that...i will be here all day ;)
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61712 in ubuntu-docs "Refers to "bug severity" when it should be "bug importance"" [Low,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61712
[07:58] <LaserJock> hmm, that's for me
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61713 in ubuntu-docs "Invalid path to 'install-css.sh' (in libdvdread3)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61713
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61714 in ubuntu-docs "BitTorrent sidebar entry is too large " [Low,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61714
[08:19] <motin> Is the fact that the Help-chapters for Loginscreen-settings are outdated?
[08:19] <motin> Is the fact that the Help-chapters for Loginscreen-settings are outdated - a bug?
[08:25] <LaserJock> could be
[08:26] <motin> LaserJock: should I report it you think?
[08:26] <amachu> hi all..
[08:26] <amachu> this is sriramadas alias amachu
[08:26] <amachu> representing tamil team..
[08:26] <amachu> happy to join Ubuntu Doc Team
[08:26] <amachu> :-)
[08:28] <Burgwork> welcome
[08:28] <Burgwork> amachu, we are literally on the day of the string freeze, but new people are always welcome
[08:36] <LaserJock> motin: just make sure you are looking at edgy documentation and it's outdated for edgy
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61722 in ubuntu-docs "Gaim reference is VERY incomplete" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61722
[08:41] <LaserJock> interesting that we get all the bugs on the day of doc freeze :-)
[08:42] <motin> LaserJock: aha no this is dapper. don't have to oppurtunity to check out edgy today
[08:43] <LaserJock> motin: hmm, well if you think it's a bug file it
[08:43] <LaserJock> motin: but I'm not sure it'll get fixed for dapper
[08:44] <motin> LaserJock: doc-bugs arent usually security classed, but this one is docs about remote login... what do you think? valid for a backport?
[08:44] <LaserJock> well, if it was really important it'd go into dapper-updates
[08:45] <LaserJock> just file the bug and well take a look at it
[08:46] <nixternal> who is going nuts on bugs?
[08:47] <nixternal> anyone working on those bugs yet?  if not, im on it right now
[08:49] <LaserJock> I already commited the fix (and the fix for the fix ;-) ) for mine
[08:49] <nixternal> nm..it is all ubuntu docs
[08:49] <nixternal> those are hurting right now
[08:51] <LaserJock> darn it, my ubuntu mail is acting goofy
[08:52] <nixternal> what is it doing?
[08:52] <nixternal> mine is fine right now
[08:53] <LaserJock> well, I switch the preffered address on LP
[08:53] <LaserJock> so bug mail from LP goes to the new address
[08:53] <LaserJock> but anything sent to my @ubuntu.com goes to my old address
[08:54] <LaserJock> so my email is going to do different accounts today :/
[08:55] <nixternal> hehe nice
[08:56] <nixternal> you guys...we need to seriously look over the ubuntu docs..kubuntu docs are good right now...we are going to replace kde logos and images with kubuntu ones shortly and thats it..they are being reviewed right now...ubuntu docs are from what i can see, in shambles
[08:56] <nixternal> im willing to help out if needed...im not the best with gnome related stuff, but i can lend a hand
[09:13] <pepsiman> motin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[10:00] <motin> pepsiman: thank you
[10:42] <dholbach> heya
[10:42] <dholbach> Riddell asked me to do an ubuntu-docs update
[10:42] <dholbach> Is the rest of the team ok with that? Anything you'd like me to wait for, etc?
[10:44] <LaserJock> well
[10:44] <LaserJock> suppposedly we should be at doc freeze...again
[10:44] <nixternal> dholbach: kubuntu docs should be good as long as he has reviewed them
[10:44] <nixternal> he == Riddell
[10:44] <dholbach> nixternal: I meant ubuntu-docs, not kubuntu-docs
[10:45] <nixternal> haha
[10:45] <nixternal> k
[10:45] <dholbach> LaserJock: so uploading should be fine
[10:45] <dholbach> LaserJock: right?
[10:45] <LaserJock> I believe so
[10:45] <dholbach> ok
[10:45] <dholbach> I check it out, test build and upload
[10:45] <LaserJock> thanks
[10:45] <dholbach> de rien :-)
[10:46] <LaserJock> dholbach: we are already at Beta Freeze, right?
[10:47] <dholbach> yeah, roughly
[10:47] <Burgwork> LaserJock, yes, we are
[10:47] <LaserJock> k, I was sort of tying the timing of the doc freeze and beta freeze as they are supposed to be on the same day
[10:47] <LaserJock> stupid timezones
[10:48] <LaserJock> nixternal: are the Ubuntu docs in bad shape?
[10:48] <LaserJock> nixternal: I haven't even had a chance to look at them
[10:56] <dholbach> uploaded
[10:56] <LaserJock> dholbach: cool
[10:59] <Plug> Given an image attachment on a wiki page, is there a simple way to put it in a div and float it to the right, so text wraps around it properly?
[10:59] <Plug> Imagine       [   ] 
[10:59] <Plug> something like [   ] 
[10:59] <Plug> this, with the
[10:59] <Plug> image
[10:59] <Plug> where my misaligned [] s were :)
[11:05] <nixternal> plug...check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot3/Kubuntu
[11:05] <nixternal> i floated all of those images
[11:06] <nixternal> ||<tablestyle="float: right; background: url(you know this part) no-repeat">||
[11:06] <nixternal> something along the lines of that
[11:07] <Plug> aha!  cheers
[11:08] <Plug> now, if only the ubuntu wiki wasn't so painfully slow at times...
[11:22] <LaserJock> oh man
[11:22] <LaserJock> ?!?!
[11:23] <LaserJock> so it looks like we removed the menu .ent from the desktop guide
[11:23] <LaserJock> but didn't change the .xml accordingly
[11:25] <LaserJock> oh wait
[11:25] <LaserJock> grrr
[11:26] <LaserJock> darn it
[11:37] <LaserJock> nixternal: ping
[11:37] <nixternal> man
[11:37] <nixternal> pong a longers
[11:37] <LaserJock> do you know how to create a .pot from the .xml?
[11:39] <nixternal> xml2po -k -o output_filename.pot input_filename.xml
[11:39] <nixternal> ...
[11:39] <nixternal> did i lag out
[11:41] <LaserJock> hmm, that's not quite right I don't think
[11:42] <LaserJock> I got a very small .pot
[11:42] <nixternal> are you trying to get a pot from 1 file, or from multiple?
[11:43] <LaserJock> multiple
[11:43] <nixternal> ahh
[11:43] <nixternal> ok that is different
[11:43] <LaserJock> it's for the packgaging guide
[11:43] <nixternal> is there an omf file?
[11:43] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:43] <nixternal> ok
[11:43] <nixternal> ok...
[11:43] <nixternal> are you in the C/ directory?
[11:43] <nixternal> if so...
[11:44] <nixternal> ../
[11:44] <nixternal> then do
[11:44] <LaserJock> yeah, yeah, gimme the stinking command ;p
[11:44] <nixternal> xml2po -k -o output_file.pot C/*.xml C/*.omf
[11:44] <nixternal> haha
[11:44] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:45] <nixternal> hmm what? did it work for ya
[11:46] <LaserJock> yep
[11:46] <nixternal> cool
[11:46] <LaserJock> ok, then I can just commit that?
[11:46] <LaserJock> I'm going to have to get dholbach to upload a new package :/
[11:46] <nixternal> yes you can
[11:47] <nixternal> don't worry...everyone has been giving him a new package today to upload
[11:47] <nixternal> they have had more cancelled packages than before today along i think
[11:48] <LaserJock> ok, any other big doc problems?
[11:48] <LaserJock> I wonder how fresh the ubuntu .pots are :/
[11:50] <nixternal> not fresh at all
[11:51] <nixternal> none of the edgy pots are fresh..all the pots you see are dapper pots brought over during the trunk creation
[11:51] <LaserJock> wha?
[11:51] <nixternal> ya..look at the commits, when was the last .pot commit?
[11:52] <nixternal> i think the last time you will see a .pot is when the branch was created
[11:52] <nixternal> i know i just did all of the translation stuff for dapper, and there was no edgy stuff yet
[11:52] <LaserJock> mdke did one for the desktop guide on the 8th
[11:53] <nixternal> i don't know why...there hasn't been any content changes in that..only layout
[11:54] <nixternal> the only Ubuntu content i have seen changed, was the switching guide..which isn't even going to be in edgy
[11:54] <nixternal> oh shoot..i hope that doesn't get grabbed and packaged
[11:56] <LaserJock> looks like mdke did some work on the desktop guide
[11:56] <LaserJock> mostly structuraly like you said though
[11:56] <nixternal> ya, but according to his emails, it was just structure
[11:56] <nixternal> ya
[11:58] <LaserJock> ok, fixed a bug and refreshed my pot ;-)
[11:58] <nixternal> i wonder why mdke did some translations tuff back on the 8th
[11:59] <nixternal> maybe im missing something, but i would think you would do them after the freeze and after all updates and changes have been made
[11:59] <LaserJock> what?
[11:59] <nixternal> anywho..im going to recreate the kubuntu ones now and commit
[11:59] <LaserJock> the translated docs you mean?
[11:59] <nixternal> i just did  a .pot search on my email
[12:00] <nixternal> no..aboutkubuntu.pot was created on the 8th
[12:00] <nixternal> KDG .pot was done on the 8th as well..and it wasn't close to being done
[12:00] <LaserJock> well, I think translators were getting antsy
[12:00] <LaserJock> and mdke was getting ready
[12:01] <LaserJock> who knows
[12:01] <nixternal> uh oh
[12:01] <LaserJock> what'd I do?
[12:01] <nixternal> you didn't do it
[12:01] <nixternal> im looking at the rosetta stuff for us
[12:01] <LaserJock> mhm
[12:01] <nixternal> there are already files being worked on
[12:01] <LaserJock> sure
[12:01] <nixternal> for edgy
[12:01] <nixternal> for instance, your packaging guide
[12:02] <LaserJock> mhm
[12:02] <nixternal> which according to LP, is completely translated in French already
[12:02] <LaserJock> there isn't anything stopping them
[12:02] <LaserJock> edgy was declared open for translation a while ago
[12:02] <nixternal> ok
[12:03] <LaserJock> and the doc team has been quiet on that front
[12:03] <nixternal> gotcha
[12:03] <LaserJock> so I assume they just started translating
[12:03] <nixternal> but what about updates then?  that is a mess
[12:04] <LaserJock> hmm, this gets even more interesting
[12:04] <nixternal> do yo have the power to upload a .pot file to LP?
[12:04] <nixternal> I don't see where to do it
[12:05] <LaserJock> mdke sent an email to ubuntu-translators ML on the 7th saying talking about doc translation
[12:05] <LaserJock> it is done automatically from the *-docs package
[12:05] <LaserJock> I talked to carlos about it the other day
[12:05] <nixternal> ahh
[12:05] <LaserJock> so the rosetta templates get updated with an updated package
[12:06] <LaserJock> that's why we'll need dholbach to upload a new package if after we have the .pots done
[12:09] <LaserJock> nixternal: so are the Kubuntu .pots updated?
[12:09] <nixternal> working on them now
[12:10] <LaserJock> ok
[12:10] <LaserJock> I think in the future we could really use a "Getting ready for doc freeze" wiki page