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[04:55] Man, it's getting cold here. === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pitti waves [04:55] Are these meetings open to public comment? [04:55] or are only designated developers allowed to speak? [04:55] Linuturk_code: we have a very tight schedule [04:55] Linuturk_code: in principle, yes, but not meant for long discussions === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:55] Linuturk_code: it's mostly a status update meeting [04:56] morning [04:56] dholbach pitti: Ok, I understand. I wouldn't be banned for a short, productive comment. Excessive commenting is frowned upon. Correct? [04:56] moins mdz dholbach [04:56] morning [04:57] Linuturk_code: right [04:57] Linuturk_code: mosty yes ( timing is also important ;P ) === fschoep [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:57] Good evening everyone [04:57] Understood === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:58] Linuturk_code: these meetings tend to be short and to the point becouse there is soooo much to cover from so many people === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:58] mdz: ping [04:58] pong [04:58] err,pong, or "here", whichever :) === jbailey [n=jbailey@montreal.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:59] heh..present also works [04:59] imbrandon, well, i doubt I'll have anything productive to say anyway, but I wanted to make sure of the ground rules. I'm just a humble fluxbuntu dev, so I wanted to see how the big boys play :) [04:59] hey jeff [04:59] re [04:59] jbailey: Welcome. [04:59] Hey'all. [04:59] mdz: i need a few more minutes to write my report. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:59] Kamion, seb128, mvo, doko, Mithrandir, Riddell, ogra: ping [04:59] mdz: i just managed to get one laptop up and running [04:59] pong [04:59] pong [04:59] mdz: pong [04:59] hi mdz [05:00] hello [05:00] hi mdz [05:00] hi [05:00] hi kwwii [05:01] Linuturk_code: yes [05:01] Kamion, doko_: reping [05:01] pong [05:03] ok, good afternoon everyone, let's begin [05:03] pitti: will you start us off? === fabbione is ready too [05:03] sure [05:03] Done: [05:03] * security updates: Thunderbird/dapper, Thunderbird + all reverse dependencies for breezy, Firefox/dapper (needs final approval from mdz), gzip, kernel [05:03] * apt-get-debug-symbols: buildd side done by infinity, people.u.c. side done by me, announced to u-d-a, enjoy! [05:03] * bug fixing in various packages (mainly apport, hal, gnome-volume-manager, some FTBFS, some dapper updates) [05:03] * intro meeting with keescook [05:03] * heavy Knot-3 CD testing [05:03] * finished last bits of gnutls12->13 transition, gnutls12 in universe now [05:03] * managed to stay on top of the bug wave [05:03] Todo: [05:03] * fix langpack-o-matic infrastructure to work with new SRU policy (upload staging in *-proposed), urgently need to update dapper langpacks (also to fix some serious bugs) [05:03] * Beta testing [05:03] * care for mysql merge if infinity's workload is too high [05:04] * improve apport-retrace script to make use of new ddeb archive [05:04] * bug fixing, to the extent possible by freezes === shenki [n=shenki@ppp131-170.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:04] mdz: btw, ffox 1.5.0.7 is prepared for dapper release; do you want to discuss that or shall I just go ahead? [05:04] pitti: I thought we already discussed it, if I'm confused then we should review it again [05:05] mdz: well, I never got a formal 'ok', that's why I'm asking [05:05] (just the ok for thunderbird) [05:05] pitti: ok, let's follow up by email [05:05] alright [05:05] pitti: is there anything on your list which should be on the beta todo list? === pitti notes that he set his last spec to 'implemented' today :) === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.117.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:06] Hello [05:06] for reference, since it will come up many times during the meeting, it is at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-6.10-beta [05:06] mdz: nothing is terribly urgent, no [05:06] you can nominate any bug for that list by setting the milestone, but make sure the importance is set appropriately [05:06] in general, I do think we should fix the ubuntu-meta behaviour [05:06] pitti: which behaviour? [05:07] ok, I'll check my bugs for good candidates, but I squashed most of the appropriate ones already [05:07] mdz: removing any u-desktop dependency marks all other u-desktop packages for auto-removal [05:07] unlike in previous releases [05:08] ( *-desktop ) [05:08] hmm, is that because the metapackage is used to install the livefs? [05:08] e. g. I can't even uninstall bug-buddy without apt wanting to kill my entire system [05:08] rather than the task? [05:08] I didn't look into it so far, but I think so [05:08] pitti: open a bug, set the milestone to beta and let's talk with mvo about it [05:09] mdz: the current apt has native tasks support [05:09] mdz: alright [05:09] should be a trivial change to the livefs build script [05:09] pitti: thanks [05:09] mdz: its a matter of modifing the livefs build script [05:09] mvo: :-) [05:09] mvo: next [05:09] Did: [05:09] - bug triage [05:09] - added native tasks support into apt-get to make livefs build easier (apt-get install taskname^) [05:09] - improved the synaptic/apt support for automatic dependency display/manipulation [05:09] - knot3 cd testing [05:09] - bugfixing (apt, pango, gtk-im-libthai, g-a-i, vmware-player-kernel/dapper-security, update-manager, python-apt, python-central, python-defaults, anacron, bash, gnome-system-tools GST_NO_NTP) [05:09] - ddtp updates [05:09] - added a wikipage about automatic dependency removal and added it to ubuntu weekly news [05:09] - some work on the non-interactive dist-upgrader, some upgrade testing [05:09] Will do: [05:09] - more testing/bugfixing in the beta release [05:09] - update the gnome-app-install desktop files/icons [05:09] - investigate what to do with the dist-upgrader and early upgrading of apt (fot the breaks field). this was blocked last week by not working dapper-backports [05:09] - user notification for non-free video drivers (these are bad m'kay) [05:09] - look into scim/xim mess (scim-chewing in edgy/dapper) and (maybe) create a ubuntu-l10n mailinglist for developer discussion about l10n/input-methods/font issues [05:09] - get apache logs to find duplicated HOSTIDs and forcefully reconfigure those *or* remove all old HOSTIDs data from popcon.ubuntu.com and upload new popcon that force reconfigure for all older versions to get a new HOSTID. this means we won't have valid data for a couple of days though [05:10] mvo: are we able to do ddtp translation using rosetta yet, and if not, is there a spec registered for it? [05:11] here, sorry I'm late, just got back from the school run [05:11] mdz: rosetta has them, but its still manual in a lot of steps [05:11] partial because rosetta does not provide the needed api [05:11] partial because I haven't written more scripts to automate import/export yet [05:12] and there is some bugfixing to be done in the current scripts that deal with this [05:12] (my scripts) [05:12] mvo: ok [05:12] mvo: do you have anything for the beta todo list? [05:13] mdz: I don't think so, there may be stuff coming up though :) I would like to update the g-a-i desktop database [05:13] mvo: that seems like something which should go on the milestone checklist [05:13] mdz: does that mean I should add a bug for it and add it to the beta-milestone? [05:14] mdz: the dist-upgrader is very high priority now [05:14] mvo: no, talk with Mithrandir about adding it to the process checklist === Broken_Arrow [n=Julien@AToulon-152-1-80-228.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:14] because the current breaks in the archive break the upgrader :( [05:14] mvo: hmm, is dist-upgrader not ready for upgrades to beta? [05:14] mvo: ok, that's important. please open a bug and set the milestone so it appears on the list [05:14] mdz: not for packages with breaks, no [05:15] ok [05:15] will do [05:15] mvo: Is there anything I can do to help with the upgrader ? [05:15] I'm worried that this is starting to get rather late ... [05:15] iwj: possible, lets talk off-meeting [05:16] ok, thanks mvo [05:16] Kamion: next [05:16] mvo: OK [05:16] Done: [05:16] recommends-support: germinate backport for dapper-updates, needed on drescher. [05:16] ubiquity: Trimmed about 150-200 off the bug list by means of rejections and duplications, fixed some common issues (including back/forward flow between gparted and the mountpoints page, yay), and started categorising the most common remaining bugs. [05:16] milestone-rhythm: Made the daily CD health checks not mail the release team quite so many times. [05:16] To do: [05:16] usplash: Still need to handle tasksel enhancements to make resolution detection on fresh (d-i) install work properly. This will bite people who install the beta and then upgrade to Edgy, so is it beta-critical? [05:16] misc: Other beta-critical bugs (mostly loose ends of console-setup integration; estimate a good day's work for these). Rename server to minimal (?) on the alternate CDs, and hoover up any other relevant ubunt [05:16] u-cdimage bugs. [05:16] ubiquity: I have two large classes of crashes still to deal with, tagged gtk-mainloop-crash and invalid-literal-for-int in Malone; need to figure out whether these are in fact duplicates, or whether there are multiple causes. Also want to deal with reserved usernames. All this is probably post-beta now. [05:17] Kamion: people who install the beta [from the alternate cd] and then upgrade? [05:18] Kamion: did abattoir contact you about oem-config-kde not not having to use metacity? [05:18] how does tasksel relate to resolution detection? [05:18] mdz: usplash is installed before xserver-xorg, so can't fetch the mode from xorg.conf [05:18] Kamion: is the ubiquity keyboard layout issue from knot 3 now fixed? [05:18] mdz: we need to fudge tasksel around a bit to make that not happen [05:19] Kamion: how will that bite those who upgrade; won't usplash fix that up on upgrade? [05:19] Riddell: yes, and I rearranged the code so he could slot in use of kwin or whatever, although I don't think I've seen a patch from him yet that does that [05:19] mdz: usplash doesn't / IMHO shouldn't change an existing usplash.conf on upgrade [05:19] mdz: sorry, which ubiquity keyboard layout issue? [05:20] Kamion: I lit the batsignal for gtk help and jdahlin came by; he might be able to help with the other issues as well [05:20] Kamion: * The desktop CD installer does not guess non-US keyboard layouts [05:20] correctly. This merely requires one to select the correct [05:20] keyboard layout when using the desktop CD installer. [05:21] I don't think so, but I'll check; thanks for the reminder [05:21] ok, thanks [05:21] dholbach: next [05:21] Done [05:21] * finished functional version of the art-builder [05:21] * pilot updates into Ubuntu [05:21] * small fixes [05:21] * telepathy packaging, reviewing, mentoring - we might quite some progress: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Telepathy/Modules [05:21] To do [05:21] * catch up with bug triage, or suffer from Sb of Doom [05:21] * human-icon-theme update (added icons) [05:21] * CD testing [05:21] * investigate in gnome-bluetooth/gnome-phone-manager/libbtctl updates [05:21] * revu-ing for Universe Freeze [05:21] * apt-get.org [05:22] dholbach: art-builder is deployed? or not quite yet? [05:22] dholbach: I'm happy to help with the apt-get.org auto-test-build script === Gadi [n=romm@ool-44c7518f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:22] not deployed yet, will do so asap and talk with Frank about it [05:22] mvo: thanks a lot - I just didn't get around yet to debug it === dholbach hugs mvo [05:23] dholbach: looking forward to it [05:23] dholbach: is there anything in desktop-land which should be on the beta list? [05:23] besides the g-s-d bug I added already [05:23] In my bug catchup frenzy, I'll be sure to mark bugs as beta milestones [05:24] dholbach: ok, review existing higher-severity bugs as well and see if anything should be added there === mvo hugs dholbach [05:24] dholbach: thanks [05:24] mdz: alright [05:24] seb128: next [05:24] Done: [05:24] - load and load of bug triage, replied to most of new desktop bugs and took my backlog from around 370 to 240 [05:24] - some desktopish updates [05:24] - some updates and fixes for gnome-java packages [05:24] - started fixing desktop bugs for edgy beta [05:24] Todo: [05:24] - keep fighting bugs flood [05:24] - fixing desktop bugs [05:24] - beta CD testing === cliebow_ [n=cliebow@smoothwallkludge.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:24] seb128: did the upstream forwarding push help with the bug flood at all? [05:25] what upstream forwarding push? [05:25] we do forward them all the time ;) [05:25] lol [05:25] there was no push though [05:25] seb128: we had a bug day where the theme was to get folks to help with upstream forwarding [05:25] yeah, and I didn't notice a real difference compared to any other day to be honest [05:25] that was 2 weeks ago or something [05:26] yes, and the idea was that more people would then know how to forward bugs and would keep doing it :-) [05:26] dholbach and I and some usual triager did put some extra efforts [05:26] but not of new people or other guys did participate [05:26] yeah [05:26] sfllaw: is there info on the appropriate wiki pages with links to the needs-to-be-forwarded list? [05:26] we would need somebody pushing for that [05:26] it's on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bugs and I mailed that link to some mailing lists including ubuntu-bugsquad@ [05:27] mdz: I'm writing documentation now on the new Bugs/HowToTriage page. [05:27] nobody is spending time on the mater atm [05:27] sfllaw: after the meeting please, but thanks ;-) [05:27] seb128: it is a priority for sfllaw [05:27] I'm happy to read that [05:27] :) [05:27] ok === sfllaw hugs seb128. [05:27] thanks seb128 [05:27] tkamppeter: next [05:28] tkamppeter: did you talk with pitti about the meeting format? === seb128 hugs sfllaw [05:28] no [05:28] This is the first meeting in which I participate, as I have started at Ubuntu in the beginning of this month. [05:28] Done: [05:29] - Installed Edgy as dual-boot with on my laptop and reported first bug [05:29] tkamppeter, which we all appreciate ;) [05:29] only one? [05:29] that sounds cool ;) [05:29] ;) [05:30] (we normally write up our done/todo items in advance so that we can just paste them; it saves time) [05:30] - Looked throught the printing-related bugs (subscribed to ubuntu-printing-team) === cmvo [n=cmvo@62.225.11.174] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:30] - Answered to many bugs to get info from the posters === keescook [n=kees@mylar.outflux.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:30] we did some packaging tutoring ping-pong, worked pretty well for the merges [05:31] fabbione, I have found another one today [05:31] tkamppeter: bug traige -> #ubuntu-devel, please [05:31] - Done my first Debian/Ubuntu package: Gutenprint 5.0.0 final, thanks to pitti to introduce me into the methods of Ubuntu packaging!! [05:32] you're welcome, glad to see a printing guru stirring up edgy ;) [05:32] tkamppeter: apparantly there's some issues with KDE printing, which will be a post-beta priority, any help appreciated === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:32] pitti, what do you mean with "bug traige -> #ubuntu-devel, please"? [05:33] tkamppeter: I thought you wanted to talk about bugs, that's #u-devel stuff; sorry, that wasn't the case apparently [05:33] Riddell, subscribe bugs to the printing team, [05:33] tkamppeter: will do [05:33] and one KDE/CUPS 1.2 issue is well-known. [05:34] Riddell, I will tell you about this issue later. [05:34] tkamppeter, i plan some improvements for ltsp printing in edgy+1 and would like to talk with you about it in mountain view ... (just as notification) [05:34] tkamppeter: the text is prepared in advance to save time because the meeting is large. if you could email me after the meeting and prepare next time, that is fine [05:34] instead we will just welcome you this time :-) [05:34] tkamppeter, for those who have not noticed, is helping us with printing support in Ubuntu [05:34] tkamppeter: so welcome :-) [05:34] sfllaw: next [05:35] sfllaw: ping? [05:35] Done: [05:35] * Writing Wiki documentation [05:35] * Bug triage [05:35] To do: [05:35] * Bug triage === pitti hugs tkamppeter [05:35] * Writing Wiki documentation [05:35] * Hug day [05:35] * Buy a new laptop (the old one died) [05:35] tkamppeter: please collect your text and send it to me via email, we have moved on [05:35] sfllaw must be having connectivity issues [05:35] Riddell: next [05:35] Hullo? [05:35] Can you hear me? [05:35] heh [05:35] haha [05:35] Riddell: your update please [05:35] sfllaw, no [05:35] I can see sfllaw [05:35] mdz: I can see sfllaw speaking [05:35] It must be a NetSplit. [05:35] sfllaw: * Ping reply from sfllaw: 162.49 second(s) :-) [05:35] mdz: so can i [05:35] - Checked through the actual versions of Ubuntu packages and the bugs, a lot is too old, therefore asked for UVF ERs on: foomatic-filters, foomatic-db, foomatic-hpijs, HPLIP, Gutenprint, foo2zjs [05:35] as can I [05:35] I guess it's mdz having problems with his net. :-P [05:36] what a mess [05:36] - (All but foo2zjs already approved) [05:36] lol, for once I'm not the one with the major lag :) === fabbione ^5 BenC [05:36] it seems like lag between the server I'm connected to (and some others) and everyone else [05:37] am I caught up now? [05:37] * Ping reply from mdz: ? second(s) [05:37] * Ping reply from mdz: 0.35 second(s) [05:37] --- Ping reply from mdz : 0.98 second(s) [05:37] 16:37 [Freenode] CTCP PING reply from mdz: 0.480 seconds [05:37] mdz: yes, you're caught up now [05:37] ok [05:37] sfllaw: anything on the broader bug radar which should be raised for the beta? [05:38] sfllaw: which wiki documentation did you write in the past week? [05:38] Mmm. Not really. There are really only minor issues. [05:38] I'm refactoring the BugSquad pages, so that it's easier to find info on getting involved. [05:38] Documenting our processes and such. === wiz [n=wiz@83.222.194.31] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === pitti took the freedom to augment the worse bugs from Testing/Current with a beta milestone flag [05:39] This should make it faster for new BugSquad volunteers to get up to speed, and also make it easier for people to join Ubuntu QA. [05:40] sfllaw: ok, especially in the time leading up to beta, we need your eyes to pick out any serious issues we need to be aware of for the beta [05:40] sfllaw: so make sure you are keeping up with bug triage during this critical time [05:40] Right. [05:40] When are we getting those version fields in Malone? [05:40] ;) === mvo will investigate two "does not book up at all" regressions tomorrow from friends [05:40] sfllaw: edgy+7 [05:40] sfllaw: LP1.0 + N [05:40] :( [05:41] sfllaw: we must work with what we have today [05:41] Fair enough. [05:41] mvo: what book? ;) [05:41] sfllaw: thanks [05:41] Riddell: next === mvo slaps seb128 [05:41] done: lots of bugfixing [05:41] kde ubiquity scrollview [05:41] fix various issues with .pot generation for rosetta [05:41] discussion with jono [05:41] blocked: ruby on ppc, can recreate failure on davis but probably needs someone more familiar with it to fix [05:41] todo: investigate Usplash art missing in Kubuntu and test dapper->edgy upgrade generally [05:41] package kubuntu-docs [05:41] KDE conference from friday evening to tuesday. [05:41] Beta release [05:41] note: kde 3.5.5 and koffice 1.6 both scheduled for early october [05:41] missing usplash> isn't that just misconfigured resolution, as above? [05:41] Riddell: how did kubuntu knot 3 turn out? any bugs which should go on the beta list? [05:41] or is it something more complex? [05:42] Riddell: someone more familiar with ruby, or with ppc? [05:42] mdz: pretty well, main problems all fixed [05:42] shall we consider amd64/nvidia usplash failure as a high-importancy bug which deserves rollback to vga on amd64? === jammcq_laptop [n=jam@70.91.230.209] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:42] mdz: usplash seems to work on new installs, but there's that bug for dapper upgrades I need to look at [05:43] pitti: I thought mjg59 said that was fixed [05:43] mdz: both? [05:43] Riddell: martin pool admitted to knowing ruby; you know who the ppc fetishists are in the house [05:43] mdz: not fully as it seems, today I heard several more confirmations in IRC, and it's still happening for a friend of mine and me (i. e. all amd64/nvidia guys I know) [05:43] Riddell: have you asked one of them for help? [05:44] mdz: not recently, I can poke them again === spamhog [n=Miranda@xd-85-20-126-238.mi2.albacom.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:44] rolling back to VGA will be pretty hard, requires complicated theme changes too [05:44] I think we're quite deeply committed [05:44] who will help Riddell with this issue? it's been blocking for weeks now [05:44] humm === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:44] Kamion: mjg59 gave the impression it could fall back gracefully [05:45] mdz: not until somebody teaches usplash to build in both bogl and svga backends into a single binary [05:45] if there's any ppc usplash help needed, I volunteer [05:45] pitti: I have a amd64/nvidia test-machine, happy to give it a go [05:45] Kamion: gah...I thought bogl talked to svgalib [05:45] unless svgalib can do vga too [05:45] mdz: no, separate backend [05:45] s [05:45] Kamion: that should be doable, shouldn't it? [05:45] at the moment they share function names - There Can Be Only One [05:45] Mithrandir: doable, sure, but not done === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:45] Kamion: garrrr [05:46] if it's a blocker for beta, I can do it. [05:46] we really really need the existing themes to provide 640x400 and/or 640x480 images === BenC has done framebuffer+svga work [05:46] feel free to bug me [05:46] fschoep,kwwii: ^-- [05:46] BenC: would you help Riddell get ruby/ppc building? [05:46] Kamion: will do [05:46] Sure [05:46] ruby? [05:46] thanks [05:46] hrmm, I can try [05:46] Kamion: have one, but I did not include it :p [05:46] BenC: afaik usplash/ppc is happy now, but more testing is always good [05:47] BenC: yes, ruby...it's failing to build on ppc only [05:47] ok, I can do that [05:47] thank you [05:47] kwwii: it's particularly obvious since 640x480 is the current default on all alternate CD installs [05:47] BenC: on 64 bit kernel ppc only to be specific [05:47] Riddell: you leave for the conf after the beta release, yes? [05:47] and we may have to fall back to 640x400 on amd64/nvidia, see above [05:47] that would be 640x400x8 in fact [05:47] mdz: before, I leave tomorrow evening [05:47] Riddell: sorry, you leave tomorrow and come back early next week? [05:47] Riddell: it fails to build only on 64-bit kernel, 32-bit userspace? [05:47] mdz: yes [05:47] or whatever the old usplash resolution was [05:47] Kamion: x8 or x4 ? [05:47] BenC: yes [05:48] x4 I guess [05:48] Riddell: should be easy, I have a G5 I can test out [05:48] Riddell: ok, make sure you review your bug list tomorrow and add any beta blockers to the list [05:48] mdz: ok [05:48] Riddell: if there isn't a bug filed for this ruby issue, file one and mark it for the beta [05:48] Riddell,BenC: can you take the ruby/ppc discussion later/in #u-d? [05:48] sure [05:48] BenC: Poke me for other testing on G5, too. [05:49] pitti: let's discuss about usplash/nvidia/amd64 after the meeting, I'm not up to date on the issues there [05:49] Riddell: thanks [05:49] jbailey: thanks [05:49] Mithrandir: next [05:49] * misc: released knot 3, fixed a bunch of casper bugs. Working on some X bugs. [05:49] * next week: preparations for beta, mainly X and casper stuff, help Henrik get online from his new home. === mdz watches the beta milestone page grow during the meeting...;-) [05:50] (Henrik called me a few hours ago and needed a bit of help to get his DSL running so I'll bike out there tomorrow) [05:50] Mithrandir: how close do you think knot 3 was to beta quality? [05:50] Mithrandir: is the other known issue (mono and launchpad-integration?) fixed? [05:51] mdz: not fixed, but I think I have a fix. [05:51] mdz: beta quality> getting there, but not there. [05:51] for edubuntu it was far from beta quality ... tomorrows iso should be though [05:51] is openoffice installable yet? [05:51] too many small things all over the place which need small adjustments. [05:51] I don't think so. [05:51] has it even built yet? [05:51]