[12:14] <Plug> right
[12:14] <Plug> shawarma: about?
[12:17] <Plug> I think I've figured out what needs to be done
[12:17] <Plug> but again it will have to wait till tonight :(
[12:26] <gnomefreak> is there any wiki's/docs on smartpm?
[12:27] <pianoboy3333> gnomefreak: what happned to smartpm being the default pm in edgy?
[12:27] <gnomefreak> pianoboy3333: it didnt happen yet atleast wont in edgy
[12:28] <pianoboy3333> gnomefreak: smartpm doesn't look as nice
[12:28] <LasaerJock> anybody use fetchmail with gmail?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> smart pm is only in text form here
[12:28] <pianoboy3333> ?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> hence the reason i ask about docs dapper it was gui
[12:31] <pianoboy3333> gnomefreak: you have to run smart --gui fyi
[12:31] <gnomefreak> i tried that
[12:31] <gnomefreak> oh no i did gksudo smart --gui
[12:32] <pianoboy3333> Anyone know any docs on making python programs into debs?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> and it didnt start (thinking package manager you need permissions
[12:32] <pianoboy3333> gnomefreak: try this
[12:32] <pianoboy3333> gnomefreak: gksudo "smart --gui"
[12:32] <pianoboy3333> with gksudo you need the quotes don't forgen
[12:32] <pianoboy3333> *forgen
[12:32] <gnomefreak> smart --gui started it
[12:32] <pianoboy3333> that's werid
[12:32] <gnomefreak> pianoboy3333: dont need them
[12:33] <gnomefreak> should use them
[12:33] <pianoboy3333> you should need gksudo in order to install them
[12:33] <ajmitch> pianoboy3333: does the packaging guide have much on it?
[12:34] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm gksudo works without the " for everything i do but for some reason smart needs it
[12:40] <pianoboy3333> gnomefreak: you need quotes when you supply arguments
[12:40] <pianoboy3333> gnomefreak: so gksduo nautilus will work fine
[12:41] <pianoboy3333> but if you do gksudo smart --gui
[12:41] <pianoboy3333> it thinks --gui is a argument to gksudo
[12:41] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:41] <imbrandon> hrm like i'm gonna take an email serouisly from dfgdfg@0oz.com
[12:41] <imbrandon> darn spammers
[12:45] <ajmitch> imbrandon: surely you do?
[12:45] <ajmitch> hello hub
[12:46] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, ping.
[12:46] <LaserJock> yep
[12:46] <Fujitsu> OK.
[12:46] <Fujitsu> The package is indeed completely empty...
[12:46] <Fujitsu> It mis-calls pyversions.
[12:46] <lotusleaf> @t
[12:46] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: in Debian too?
[12:46] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, it's no longer in the archives.
[12:47] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[12:47] <imbrandon> hahahah zomg , the best thing i've seen yet in a linux "easter egg" of a program .....
[12:47] <imbrandon> LaserJock: you run on ppc right ?
[12:47] <LaserJock> no
[12:47] <imbrandon> ahh darn
[12:48] <imbrandon> only works on a ppc
[12:48] <LaserJock> intel
[12:48] <Fujitsu> I've got a numpy package of the latest version, so it builds fine now, and a new scipy to go with it, both of which build fine and aren't empty. Care to test that they actually work?
[12:48] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: yes please :-)
[12:48] <Fujitsu> http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/scipy
[12:48] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: are they syncs or merges?
[12:49] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, scipy is a sync, numpy is a {merge,new version}.
[12:50] <imbrandon> LaserJock: if you run "sudo ybin -v" ( equiv of "sudo update-grub" on x86 ) the last thing it spits out is "ybin: Blessing /dev/hdX with holy Penguin Pee ...." before it finishes, thats classic , best thing i've seen so far in an "easter egg"
[12:50] <Fujitsu> ....
[12:50] <lotusleaf> imbrandon: how much does penguin pee go for these days?
[12:50] <imbrandon> heh no idea
[12:50] <lotusleaf> darn
[12:50] <imbrandon> thats just fskin classic though
[12:50] <LaserJock> argg, fetchmail want to grab all my gmail emails every time
[12:51] <imbrandon> LaserJock: wow , it should only grab the new ones ( thats how mine works )
[12:51] <beligum> Hi all, someone told me I shouldn't package a binary together with a shared library, but the library depends on that binary and it's actually just a small script anyway, is this really that not-done ?
[12:51] <lotusleaf> do penguins pee? I thought it was like birds where everything comes out in one goopy mess
[12:51] <imbrandon> a penguin is a bird
[12:52] <lotusleaf> imbrandon: so there is no pee
[12:52] <imbrandon> that soooo wasent the point ;)
[12:52] <ajmitch> imbrandon: how is that an easter egg?
[12:52] <lotusleaf> imbrandon: but logic demanded it!
[12:52] <imbrandon> ajmitch: well close to an easter egg, but i guess not really one
[12:53] <lotusleaf> what came first the penguin or the pee?
[12:53] <ajmitch> everyone knows that linux releases are blessed with holy penguin pee
[12:53] <imbrandon> ;) from Capt'n Linus ?
[12:54] <lotusleaf> do the penguin priests bless with the sign of ubuntu and splash the penguin pee in a circle?
[12:54] <imbrandon> ajmitch: heh did you see the digg about his 2.6.18 changelog thing
[12:54] <imbrandon> from the 19th
[12:54] <ajmitch> imbrandon: no
[12:54] <chillywilly> wizzes too
[12:55] <tseng> chillywilly: ?
[12:55] <imbrandon> ajmitch: it was full of pirate talk and he signed it "Linus "but you can call me Capt'n" T. "
[12:55] <imbrandon> heh
[12:55] <lotusleaf> chillywilly: why would you urinate on a holy sacrament?
[12:55] <chillywilly> to bless it
[12:55] <chillywilly> my nick is named after a penguin afterall...
[12:55] <imbrandon> chillywilly: only works if your linus or a penguin
[12:56] <lotusleaf> chillywilly: but it wasn't blessed by a penguin priest
[12:56] <tseng> sigh
[12:56] <tseng> please stop/
[12:56] <imbrandon> oh jez what did i start , lets kill it now
[12:56] <lotusleaf> can I get an amen?
[12:56] <chillywilly> nothing wrong with having some fun, geez
[12:57] <lotusleaf> chillywilly: no! fun must be stopped before people experience the sin of enjoyment!
[12:57] <chillywilly> not my fault you guys didn't catch the reference ;)
[12:57] <tseng> we asked you to move on
[12:57] <pianoboy3333> where can I learn about signing packages?
[12:57] <tseng> and i know that chilly willy is a penguin, thank you
[12:57] <LaserJock> pianoboy3333: debsign?
[12:57] <imbrandon> pianoboy3333: it should be covered in the packageguide
[12:57] <tseng> bug #61550
[12:57] <pianoboy3333> yea.... sure... really?
[12:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61550 in f-spot "UVF exception request for f-spot 0.2.1" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61550
[12:57] <imbrandon> afaik
[12:58] <lotusleaf> tseng: we?
[12:58] <pianoboy3333> imbrandon: I did a find on 'sign' at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/
[12:58] <pianoboy3333> I got nada
[12:58] <iapx8088> hi all
[12:58] <iapx8088> hi LaserJock
[12:58] <LaserJock> pianoboy3333: what are you trying to do?
[12:58] <iapx8088> hi tseng
[12:58] <tseng> lotusleaf: me, imbrandon
[12:59] <lotusleaf> tseng: :) oh, thanks
[12:59] <chillywilly> *sigh*
[01:00] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ever find out when the freeze officialy starts ?
[01:00] <ajmitch> imbrandon: no
[01:00] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, which freeze?
[01:00] <imbrandon> hum ok
[01:00] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: beta freeze sometimes in the next hours
[01:00] <pianoboy3333> LaserJock: well, when you build a package, don't you have to sign it? with gpg?
[01:00] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, start of the dev meeting, I think...
[01:00] <iapx8088> I'm trying to understand something motu related
[01:01] <pianoboy3333> LaserJock: I never quite understood what gpg was, and I'd like to learn more about it
[01:01] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[01:01] <Fujitsu> No, it's not like the others :(
[01:01] <iapx8088> if a package of mine comes into universe, I will be the mantainer?
[01:01] <imbrandon> iapx8088: if you created it and wish to be yes
[01:01] <pianoboy3333> iapx8088: only if you like latkas....
[01:02] <iapx8088> imbrandon, and if it was a spinoff of a unofficial debian package?
[01:02] <chillywilly> pianoboy3333: http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html
[01:02] <Fujitsu> Can maintainers upload new versions of their packages in Ubuntu?
[01:02] <pianoboy3333> chillywilly: what does gpg do?
[01:02] <chillywilly> rtfm :)
[01:02] <imbrandon> iapx8088: but that doesnt mean you are a MOTU or can upload it without a sponsor etc etc etc , just like in debian, you can maintain a package ( i do a cupple ) but not a be a DD ( i'm not a DD )
[01:03] <Fujitsu> Ah, OK.
[01:03] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: if they are a MOTU
[01:03] <Fujitsu> I thought as much.
[01:03] <LaserJock> we don't really have maintainership in the Debian sense
[01:03] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: no i maintain a cupple in debian but still have to have sponsors upload for me
[01:03] <iapx8088> I see
[01:03] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, OK>
[01:03] <Fujitsu> *OK.
[01:03] <pianoboy3333> chillywilly: so it encrypts crap
[01:04] <pianoboy3333> chillywilly: why is that important to building debs?
[01:04] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: but in ubuntu its a "group" ( e.g. MOTU or core-dev depending on the packages ) maintainer ship
[01:04] <lotusleaf> pianoboy3333: the manual outlines the importance of the use of gnupg
[01:04] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, noted.
[01:04] <chillywilly> it's also a way of verifying identity and creating a "web of trust"
[01:05] <Fujitsu> pianoboy3333, encrypts, as well as signs. Signing is the important bit.
[01:05] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: there are just people that stick to one area becouse thats what they are familiar with , like i have the ability to upload a new kernel but i dont dare ;) heh
[01:05] <imbrandon> but they dont /have/ to
[01:05] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, obviously.
[01:06] <chillywilly> time to make a pizza
[01:06] <Fujitsu> The one thing I was unsure on was whether maintainers of packages in Ubuntu could update them without being a MOTU.
[01:06] <Fujitsu> And that's now been clarified.
[01:07] <LaserJock> Ubuntu and Debian are pretty similar for non-MOTU/non-DD people
[01:07] <LaserJock> you need a sponsor
[01:07] <LaserJock> just in Ubuntu the sponsor is MOTU
[01:09] <imbrandon> yup yup
[01:10] <ajmitch> heh
[01:10] <imbrandon> i just got an email to that a package went into testing hehe
[01:10] <imbrandon> but i still have one open bug i need to close
[01:12] <imbrandon> anyone else actualy booted into the -8 kernel ? hobbsee said it broke her X but i havent rebooted since the update
[01:12] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, have you had a look at that {sci,num}py?
[01:13] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I think there'd be a few more people complaining if the kernel broke X like that
[01:13] <imbrandon> true
[01:13] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, probably.
[01:14] <imbrandon> hrm the new console ( actualy tty not term emulator ) is very nice
[01:14] <plugwash> depends how many people it broke it for ;)
[01:14] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you mean the font?
[01:15] <imbrandon> i should figure out what it is and set konsole to use it
[01:15] <imbrandon> ajmitch: err yea the font
[01:15] <plugwash> if a kernel upgrade broke X for one obscure graphics adaptor then you wouldn't see too many complaints
[01:15] <imbrandon> ajmitch: you know what font its set to now ?
[01:15] <ajmitch> imbrandon: no idea
[01:15] <imbrandon> plugwash: iirc hobbsee uses i810
[01:15] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:15] <ajmitch> it looks like a real 80s throwback
[01:16] <imbrandon> ajmitch: you dont like it ?
[01:16] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I use i810, but I uses 2.6.16 (xen) still
[01:16] <imbrandon> i think it looks cleaner
[01:16] <imbrandon> easy to ready imho
[01:16] <imbrandon> -y
[01:16] <ajmitch> not particularly, it doesn't look as clean at 80x25 on my laptop
[01:16] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: doing it still, sorry. I'm doing a million things right now :-)
[01:16] <imbrandon> ahh yea probably would look skewed at 80x25
[01:16] <Fujitsu> OK, no problem :)
[01:17] <ajmitch> last time I booted my laptop with 2.6.17, there was no usplash for my laptop, so I saw it a bit :)
[01:18] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:18] <lotusleaf> will the kernel selection/other os selection part be revamped sometime? I really like how SUSE's has a nice graphical display
[01:18] <imbrandon> i just noticed it yesterday
[01:18] <imbrandon> lotusleaf: possibly someday ;)
[01:18] <lotusleaf> imbrandon: :)
[01:18] <imbrandon> you mean the grub selection menu
[01:18] <imbrandon> btw
[01:18] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:19] <ajmitch> lotusleaf: not for edgy
[01:19] <lotusleaf> imbrandon: :)
[01:19] <lotusleaf> ajmitch: k thx ;)
[01:19] <ajmitch> feature freeze, etc
[01:19] <ajmitch> so it's out
[01:19] <imbrandon> its fairly easy to drop a gziped pixmap in there but its getting the AiC to agree to one ;)
[01:19] <lotusleaf> I don't mind it but I move a lot of people from windows to ubuntu and they always think it's weird, but they get used to it
[01:19] <ajmitch> you could look at working on it with the appropriate people for edgy+1 :)
[01:20] <lotusleaf> ajmitch: :) good point thx
[01:20] <Fujitsu> A spec may be a good idea.'
[01:20] <imbrandon> the ability is already there, its just there is no art , but definately something to look at in edgy+1
[01:20] <Fujitsu> Although it's very simple.
[01:20] <lotusleaf> awesome
[01:21] <ajmitch> imbrandon: also getting it set to the right resolutions, playing nice with usplash, etc
[01:21] <imbrandon> yea i actualy have mine set to one from einstein
[01:22] <gnomefreak> everyones usplash works but mine?
[01:22] <imbrandon> ajmitch: the grub menu dosent affect the usplash afaik, infact if there is a file named correctly ( have to look up the name ) in the /boot/grub/ dir , it will use it right now
[01:22] <pianoboy3333> Fujitsu: what does signing actually do?
[01:22] <lotusleaf> pianoboy3333: did you see the links I provided you in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[01:22] <imbrandon> pianoboy3333: verifys the package was made by you and not tampered with since you made it
[01:22] <Fujitsu> pianoboy3333, proves that whatever is signed hasn't been modified since it left you.
[01:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: making sure that svgalib doesn't break & die switching from grub to usplash.. :)
[01:23] <pianoboy3333> lotusleaf: yes, I'll have to get to those
[01:23] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ahh yea true
[01:23] <ajmitch> stuff can break, it has to be checked
[01:23] <lotusleaf> pianoboy3333: splendid, they answer a number of potential questions you may have about gpg and encryption in general. :)
[01:23] <Fujitsu> Did that Ubuntu-themed usplash actually eventuate? It hasn't appeared yet as far as I know... But the Knot 3 page says it's there.
[01:24] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: i se a kubuntu one ever time i boot ;)
[01:24] <imbrandon> if thats what you mean , the test card has been replaced
[01:24] <Fujitsu> Has it? Hm...
[01:24] <imbrandon> with semi-final artwork
[01:25] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: you'll ahve to go back a bit, it was all done prior to knot 3
[01:25] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, I've got it going back since the start in my mailbox, I'm searching through there :)
[01:26] <iapx8088> night people
[01:26] <iapx8088> see you tomorrow
[01:27] <imbrandon> wow gotta love this ....
[01:27] <imbrandon> From:
[01:27] <imbrandon> "Allison Guerra" <imbrandon@kubuntu.org> To:
[01:27] <imbrandon> imbrandon@kubuntu.org
[01:27] <imbrandon> from me to me
[01:27] <tseng> hah
[01:27] <Fujitsu> Terrific.
[01:28] <monger> I have a question about building kernel-packages..
[01:28] <pianoboy3333> So if I were to make a gpg key for myself, I should use the default and make a DSA and ElGamal key?
[01:28] <monger> I'm having some trouble changing the version number of the packages being built from the source package
[01:28] <Fujitsu> pianoboy3333, yes.
[01:29] <imbrandon> monger: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[01:29] <chillywilly> pianoboy3333: this is all in the GPG Hanbook, please just read it for crying out loud :)
[01:29] <monger> When I try to change this in the debian/changelog my build-process starts complaining after the kernel compile that there is a version mismatch
[01:30] <pianoboy3333> chillywilly: I am, I am, I just prefer someone to explain crap to me, that's all
[01:30] <monger> imbrandon, I have it here on the screen
[01:30] <imbrandon> monger: ( and afaik its all in debian/changelog just like any other package )
[01:30] <monger> imbrandon, thanx I'll try it again
[01:30] <monger> I probably f*cked up something other stupid
[01:30] <monger> :)
[01:31] <pianoboy3333> chillywilly: should I make the key never expire?
[01:31] <chillywilly> yea
[01:31] <monger> It's just a little frustrating that kernel building takes so lonnnggg.
[01:31] <monger> ;)
[01:32] <imbrandon> !find kernel
[01:32] <ubotu> Found: kernel-package, kernel-wedge, klogd, linux-kernel-headers, nfs-kernel-server (and 83 others)
[01:32] <pianoboy3333> chillywilly: so what happens if I change my email later on... do I have to make a new key?
[01:32] <imbrandon> !search kernel
[01:33] <Fujitsu> pianoboy3333, just add a new ID.
[01:33] <imbrandon> !customkernel is <reply> Information about building your own kernel for Ubuntu ( and the risks ) can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[01:33] <ubotu> I'll remember that, imbrandon
[01:34] <imbrandon> !custom kernel is <alias> customkernel
[01:34] <ubotu> I'll remember that, imbrandon
[01:34] <imbrandon> !search kernel
[01:35] <imbrandon> blah
[01:35] <LaserJock> hah
[01:35] <imbrandon> !custom kernel
[01:35] <ubotu> Information about building your own kernel for Ubuntu ( and the risks ) can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[01:35] <imbrandon> still works, !search is broke
[01:36] <LaserJock> :/
[01:36] <imbrandon> !zen
[01:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about zen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:36] <imbrandon> err
[01:36] <imbrandon> !xen
[01:36] <ubotu> xen is a a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. It can be found at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/
[01:37] <imbrandon> whats zuls wiki page ?
[01:38] <imbrandon> !no xen is <reply> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[01:38] <ubotu> I'll remember that, imbrandon
[01:38] <imbrandon> !xen
[01:38] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[01:39] <imbrandon> okies , done my bot maint for the day ;)
[01:39] <monger> :>
[01:40] <gnomefreak> universe freeze is over?
[01:40] <imbrandon> universe wasent frozen afaik
[01:40] <gnomefreak> still time to add packages?
[01:41] <imbrandon> barely
[01:41] <LaserJock> universe freeze is the 28th
[01:41] <gnomefreak> just saw a request and i think its a great idea
[01:41] <gnomefreak> xorg-edit
[01:41] <imbrandon> sax2 ftw
[01:41] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:42] <imbrandon> suse advanced x config thing or something, i dunno but it rocks
[01:42] <imbrandon> even uses framebuffer/vesa if no X is avail
[01:43] <lupine_85> is edgy universe frozen yet?
[01:43] <lupine_85> (for new packages)
[01:43] <imbrandon> heh
[01:43] <ajmitch> lupine_85: 1 week
[01:44] <lupine_85> in that case, I nominate 'rutilt' :)
[01:44] <LaserJock> !info matplotlib edgy
[01:44] <ubotu> Package matplotlib does not exist in edgy
[01:45] <LaserJock> !info python-matplotlib edgy
[01:45] <ubotu> python-matplotlib: python based plotting system in a style similar to Matlab. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.82-5ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 112 kB
[01:45] <lupine_85> I've been using it in Dapper for a while and it's a wonderful tool - would be especially handy now that Edgy supports all ralink cards OOTB (it's a GUI config tool for them)
[01:46] <imbrandon> lupine_85: package it and upload it to REVU ;)
[01:46] <imbrandon> or poke someone willing if you cannot ;)
[01:46] <lupine_85> I've built basic packages before... I'll give it a go :)
[01:46] <imbrandon> lupine_85: if you need a hand feel free to ask in here
[01:47] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, I was also going to update that.
[01:47] <lupine_85> (the current packages I've got for it are checkinstalled, which is... bleh)
[01:47] <lupine_85> My problem is likely going  to be that I've only got an amd64 Edgy box
[01:47] <imbrandon> arg , dont curse in here though ( checkinstall )
[01:47] <lupine_85> I know - I was after something quick :p
[01:47] <Fujitsu> You said the dirty word!
[01:47] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: good, because numpy will uninstall our current package
[01:48] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, noted.
[01:48] <LaserJock> hmm, this will be a bit tricky
[01:48] <imbrandon> lupine_85: only amd64 shouldent be a problem quite a few developers only have one arch
[01:48] <Fujitsu> I hate all these tight versioned dependencies :(
[01:49] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, what?
[01:49] <lupine_85> So I have to create a source .deb first, I assume?
[01:49] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: well, the new numpy confilicts with our scipy
[01:49] <lupine_85> brb, must boot back into edgy
[01:49] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: but the new scipy requires numpy
[01:49] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, does it conflict!?
[01:50] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[01:50] <Fujitsu> python-scipy won't install for me now :(
[01:50] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: for python-numpy : python-scipy (<= 0.5.0-2), python-matplotlib (<= 0.87.4-3)
[01:50] <Fujitsu> Woops, I didn't fix that dependency...
[01:51] <LaserJock> why do you need to fix it?
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Oh.
[01:51] <Fujitsu> It /conflicts/ with it. That's fine...
[01:51] <LaserJock> yes
[01:51] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, just install them both at the same time?
[01:52] <LaserJock> but that'll be interesting for people upgrading
[01:52] <LaserJock> if we don't get all three done at once
[01:52] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, same happened with {,g,s}obby/net6, nobody exploded.
[01:53] <Fujitsu> This is a development release.
[01:53] <pianoboy3333> Fujitsu: what should I add for the comment?
[01:53] <Fujitsu> Breakage is permitted.
[01:53] <Fujitsu> pianoboy3333, nothing is necessary.
[01:53] <pianoboy3333> should it be like "Go Pink Floyd!" ?
[01:53] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I know, but it's nice to avoid it if possible ;-)
[01:53] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, it's not really possible, because there's a sync or two which we can't control the time of.
[01:54] <pianoboy3333> Fujitsu: can I make it "Go pink floyd!"
[01:54] <Plug> Pink Floyd, you say?
[01:54] <pianoboy3333> ;)
[01:54] <imbrandon> pianoboy3333: for ?
[01:54] <pianoboy3333> the gpg comment for the signature
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Brb, need to do Windows support for brother >_<
[01:55] <imbrandon> heh , well its your gpg sig soooooooo
[01:55] <imbrandon> heh 19inch much have been cycled the net connection
[01:56] <imbrandon> must*
[01:56] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:56] <imbrandon> ello bddebian  , how gos it
[01:56] <Fujitsu> Back.
[01:57] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon.  Busy man :-(  You?
[01:57] <bddebian> wb Fujitsu
[01:57] <Fujitsu> Heya bddebian.
[01:57] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: did you hand him a Kubuntu LiveCD ?
[01:58] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, unfortunately he wants to play The Sims 2 (which that evil little thing torrented, I'd been wondering why our connection was so slow)... And the only computer in the house with a properly 3D-capable graphics card runs Windows, and I'm in no mood to attempt to get Wine working with The Sims 2...
[01:58] <Fujitsu> However, that's the only computer in the house (out of 5) that runs Windows.
[01:58] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:00] <imbrandon> brb
[02:03] <pianoboy3333> Fujitsu: so now that I made a key, I can sign packages I build with it?
[02:03] <Fujitsu> pianoboy3333, using debsign, yes.
[02:03] <pianoboy3333> ok
[02:06] <pianoboy3333> Fujitsu: debsign or gnupg?
[02:06] <LaserJock> debsign for packages
[02:06] <Fujitsu> (debsign uses gnupg)
[02:06] <LaserJock> or debuild automatically does it
[02:08] <LaserJock> hmm, can I get somebody to give me a little unicode text?
[02:08] <Plug> e
[02:08] <LaserJock> like with some accents and stuff
[02:08] <Fujitsu> 
[02:08] <Plug> I  unicode
[02:09] <Fujitsu> 
[02:09] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: can you try that once more
[02:09] <Plug> (putty needs to default to UTF-8)
[02:10] <LaserJock> I've been trying to get my mac to do unicode in irssi
[02:10] <Plug> there are irssi options
[02:10] <Fujitsu> 
[02:10] <Fujitsu> There's some nice random accented crap :P
[02:10] <LaserJock> :/
[02:11] <LaserJock> 
[02:11] <LaserJock> hmm
[02:27] <pianoboy3333> So when I'm finally ready to build my package, what is the best command to run? debuild?
[02:27] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[02:28] <bddebian> or dpkg-buildpackage :-)
[02:34] <pianoboy3333> Fujitsu: if I want to sign it, should I do it now, or will debuild prompt me, or do I need an argument to debuild to specify that I want to sign it
[02:34] <Fujitsu> debuild should prompt you for the passphrase.
[02:35] <pianoboy3333> is there a -rfakeroot argument to debuild?
[02:35] <Fujitsu> No.
[02:37] <pianoboy3333> Fujitsu: this isn't good:
[02:37] <pianoboy3333> Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[02:37] <pianoboy3333>  signfile hello_2.1.1-1.dsc Alex Brown <pianoboy3333@juicemedia.tv>
[02:37] <pianoboy3333> gpg: skipped "Alex Brown <pianoboy3333@juicemedia.tv>": secret key not available
[02:37] <pianoboy3333> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[02:37] <pianoboy3333> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[02:37] <pianoboy3333> debuild: fatal error at line 1151:
[02:37] <pianoboy3333> running debsign failed
[02:37] <Fujitsu> pianoboy3333, make sure your entry in the changelog matches the name on your key. Including comments.
[02:37] <pianoboy3333> ah...
[02:40] <pianoboy3333> I can't believe I did
[02:40] <pianoboy3333> this
[02:40] <pianoboy3333> I forgot my passphrase
[02:40] <pianoboy3333> I made it two seconds ago
[02:40] <pianoboy3333> DAMNIT
[02:40] <pianoboy3333> I purposly made it really simple
[02:41] <pianoboy3333> Fujitsu: what do I do now....?
[02:41] <Fujitsu> pianoboy3333, delete and recreate the key, I suppose.
[02:41] <pianoboy3333> uggg
[02:41] <pianoboy3333> Fujitsu: how do I delete it?
[02:41] <Fujitsu> gpg --delete-secret-keys [insert key ID here] 
[02:41] <pianoboy3333> ok
[02:46] <pianoboy3333> can I encrypt text files with my gpg?
[02:46] <Fujitsu> Of course.
[02:47] <pianoboy3333> with what tool? gpg?
[02:47] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[02:47] <pianoboy3333> --encrypt or --encrypt-files?
[02:48] <Fujitsu> --encrypt will ask you for input on stdin, with --encrypt-files you can specify a file.
[02:50] <pianoboy3333> so now file.gpg is encrypted?
[02:50] <Fujitsu> Presumably.
[02:50] <pianoboy3333> and if I want to decrypt it?
[02:50] <Fujitsu> gpg --decrypt-files...
[02:50] <pianoboy3333> ok, thank you
[02:51] <Fujitsu> When in doubt, man gpg.
[02:58] <LaserJock> uggg
[03:11] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, what?
[03:11] <LaserJock> darn it, I've been fighting with mutt all day
[03:11] <LaserJock> and I'm more confused then when I started
[03:11] <Fujitsu> And python-scipy now installs!
[03:11] <Fujitsu> And I'm going to attack matplotlib with an axe when I get back... Invalid conversions from char * -> const char * and the like.
[04:15] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[04:15] <imbrandon> ello Toadstool
[04:15] <Toadstool> hey imbrandon
[04:15] <bddebian> Hi Toadstool
[04:16] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[04:23] <Toadstool> imbrandon: you're a core-dev now? wow, congrats :)
[04:23] <imbrandon> Toadstool: yup, and thanks ;)
[04:25] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:53] <lupine_85> argh! it compiles it's paths into the source code
[04:57] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ping?
[04:57] <ajmitch> LaserJock: pong
[04:58] <LaserJock> ajmitch: how often are the REVU keys synced with LP?
[04:59] <ajmitch> as often as someone asks us to do so
[04:59] <imbrandon> LaserJock: when you poke ajmitch  ;)
[05:00] <LaserJock> ok, that's sort of weird
[05:00] <LaserJock> ubuntu-universe-contributors is an open team so people can join any time
[05:00] <LaserJock> put then they have to go poke and REVU admin to actually be able to do anything
[05:01] <imbrandon> ajmitch: couldent that .py or what ever it is you run just be put on an hourly cron or something?
[05:02] <imbrandon> it is kinda silly to have it open but closed heh, leaste if it was closed you would know when it needed sync'd
[05:02] <LaserJock> right
[05:03] <imbrandon> ajmitch: btw is there any way to grant someone ( thinking of myself ) access to run the revu-tools on packages
[05:04] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yeah, there was intended to be *some* checking of users for uploads
[05:04] <ajmitch> syncing the keyring takes awhile & uploads get rejected in that time, iirc
[05:04] <imbrandon> ahh
[05:04] <ajmitch> some locking could probably be put in
[05:05] <ajmitch> to access revu-tools, you need an account on tiber
[05:05] <LaserJock> well, but couldn't it be like an hourly cron or something?
[05:05] <ajmitch> I can probably set that up
[05:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock: write the code, we'll be happy :)
[05:05] <imbrandon> ajmitch: that would rock if you could
[05:05] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, I don't even know what you guys run
[05:05] <ajmitch> it hasn't been done mainly because noone has had time to do it
[05:05] <imbrandon> python ;)
[05:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock: source is in bzr on launchpad
[05:05] <ajmitch> a mix of python & shell scripts
[05:05] <LaserJock> my problem is I'm trying to finish the packaging guide tonight
[05:06] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:06] <LaserJock> and I'm not sure what to put for that part
[05:06] <ajmitch> 'finish'?
[05:06] <ajmitch> it'll never be finished
[05:06] <LaserJock> finish for edgy
[05:06] <LaserJock> :-)
[05:06] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[05:06] <LaserJock> doc string freeze is todayish
[05:06] <Toadstool> uhuh :)
[05:07] <imbrandon> i would put that they need to ask in in here after they have joined the team for it to be "ack'd"
[05:07] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch, lau
[05:07] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch, LaserJock
[05:07] <Toadstool> hey Hobbsee
[05:07] <imbrandon> wb Hobbsee
[05:07] <Hobbsee> hi Toadstool
[05:07] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon
[05:08] <LaserJock> I would think an email to admin at tiber would be better
[05:08] <imbrandon> LaserJock: i think there is a revu-admin team , thus email
[05:08] <imbrandon> that woudl send it to them all
[05:08] <imbrandon> would*
[05:08] <imbrandon> err
[05:08] <imbrandon> nvm
[05:09] <imbrandon> LaserJock: https://launchpad.net/people/revu-admins
[05:09] <imbrandon> even though it looks like thats not the full list
[05:10] <ajmitch> there should be 4 of us
[05:11] <ajmitch> so the members of revu hackers
[05:11] <imbrandon> yea
[05:24] <LaserJock> ok, I'm going to be done with it
[05:24] <LaserJock> I managed to clean up a little and added a chapter from pitti's patch school session
[05:43] <lupine_85> anyone still awake? :)
[05:43] <Hobbsee> no
[05:44] <lupine_85> hehe
[05:44] <seth> depends on your definition of awake
[05:44] <lupine_85> s/$WithSlashes// doesn't work
[05:45] <lupine_85> so i'm a bit stuck
[05:45] <lupine_85> manpages suggested s\?$WithSlashes?? ... but it doesn't work
[05:46] <lupine_85> (this program has it's /path/to/files hardcoded into it)
[05:46] <ajmitch> s.$WithSlashes..
[05:46] <ajmitch> it should be able to use many other characters
[05:47] <ajmitch> but / is just most commonly used
[05:47] <lupine_85> sed -i "s./home/lupine/Desktop/build-rutilt/rutilt-0.12/debian/rutilt.." /home/lupine/Desktop/build-rutilt/rutilt-0.12/include/StaticSettings.h = sed: -e expression #1, char 63: unknown option to `s'
[05:48] <ajmitch> ah, it has a . in it already, of course
[05:48] <lupine_85> ah, so it does
[05:49] <lupine_85> ah, we have life...
[05:49] <ajmitch> great
[05:49] <lupine_85> thanks :)
[05:50] <lupine_85> it "should" now be ready for REVU, unless I've missed something else as well
[05:50] <ajmitch> upload it then :)
[05:50] <lupine_85> just testing the install
[05:54] <lupine_85> ok, that works. Now to get added to the keyring...
[05:56] <ajmitch> lupine_85: you've joined the group, i hope?
[05:57] <lupine_85> Launchpad group?
[05:58] <ajmitch> yes
 I have now :). Well, pending moderation
[05:59] <lupine_85> I tried to join it a week or so back but couldn't find the linky at the time
[05:59] <rmjb_> hello all
[05:59] <lupine_85> I'm "Nick" on there
[06:00] <ajmitch> open team, so I don't need to moderate it
[06:01] <rmjb_> man, sometimes I don't know why I'm paying for broadband, 10s of seconds of lag in XChat and simple webpages timing out
[06:01] <rmjb_> anyhow, I have a question about dapper packages
[06:02] <rmjb_> since dapper is LTS, is it's packing policy like debian stable, where if it aint broke don't fix it kind of thing?
[06:02] <rmjb_> meaning packages wont generally be upgraded unless there's a security issue?
[06:02] <Fujitsu> rmjb_, yes.
[06:02] <Fujitsu> Unless there's a security issue (or sometimes major bug fixes), Dapper is frozen.
[06:03] <Hobbsee> rmjb_: that happens with all the non developmental releases
[06:03] <rmjb_> so take mythtv, version 0.18 is in dapper's repos, version 0.20 just came out, that's not going to be packaged for dapper?
[06:03] <Hobbsee> correct
[06:04] <LaserJock> there is always -backports
[06:04] <rmjb> who decides what gets backported?
[06:04] <LaserJock> the backports team
[06:05] <rmjb> ok...
[06:05] <LaserJock> and the archive admins, I believe
[06:05] <Hobbsee> depends if hte current edgy version builds for dapper, without changes
[06:05] <rmjb> well with 3 years on the desktop, that could be quite a chore further down the road... in a year or so
[06:05] <LaserJock> mhm
[06:06] <Hobbsee> rmjb: likely most people will upgrade to edgy or edgy+1
[06:06] <Hobbsee> i mean, we only see very few users still on breezy
[06:06] <StevenK> I saw a post to SLUG with a Hoary box
[06:07] <Hobbsee> scary
[06:07] <Hobbsee> seeing as that's EOL'd in under a month
[06:07] <StevenK> Oh, this was just after Dapper released.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> ahh okay
[06:07] <thom> StevenK: yeah, but australia is always years behind
[06:07] <StevenK> So they may have upgraded.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> that's not quite so bad
[06:08] <Hobbsee> thom: you must be a new zealander?
[06:08] <thom> speaking of, i should figure out how many million Eur flights to lca will be
[06:08] <Hobbsee> seeing as everybody else is behind us.
[06:08] <thom> Hobbsee: pfft. chronologically maybe.
[06:09] <StevenK> thom: Except when it comes to cricket, since our team seems to be 5 wickets in front all the time
[06:09] <rmjb> well those that want the LTS of dapper will be conflicted... already dapper has preference over edgy in shipit, where they aren't going to ship edgy discs, but continue on dapper ones
[06:09] <thom> StevenK: oh. remind me who the current holders of the ashes are, in that case?
[06:09] <StevenK> thom: That was a donation.
[06:09] <StevenK> "Oh, give it to them, they haven't seen the thing in 20 years."
[06:09] <thom> uhuh.
[06:10] <Hobbsee> rmjb: true, but edgy+1 i'd assume would be a normal release
[06:10] <Hobbsee> rmjb: if we upgraded dapper with everything that edgy has, it'd be edgy.  *shrug*
[06:10] <lupine_85> "something" isn't right here
[06:10] <rmjb> Hobbsee: yeah I know that... just wondering how it would work
[06:11] <rmjb> this means there's a team in place for 3 years to maintain the dapper and dapper-backports repos then?
[06:11] <StevenK> Not everything is suitable to backport, you know?
[06:15] <Hobbsee> the backports in general, yes
[06:16] <ajmitch> 3 years doesn't necessarily mean that backports will be there
[06:16] <ajmitch> 3 years is for security & critical fixes
[06:17] <rmjb> I understand, I guess things will be backported by public demand, as they say
[06:17] <rmjb> unless the next LTS version comes out before 3 years is up, then that leaves an option open to the LTS people
[06:17] <ajmitch> backports aren't officially supported anyway
[06:17] <StevenK> rmjb: Backports may well be stopped when Edgy releases
[06:17] <Hobbsee> depends if the people doing the public demanding actually do something to get what they want, i guess
[06:17] <Hobbsee> instead of just asking for it
[06:18] <StevenK> Which people do the public?
[06:19] <rmjb> I guess, but people that stay on dapper will generally be those paying cannonical for support, and if enough "request" a new... mysql say, that might be enough insentive
[06:19] <lupine_85> for some reason, dpkg-buildpackage isn't automagically signing the files (because it's fakeroot?), and signing them manually (with --sign and --clearsign) isn't working
[06:20] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: use debsign -kyourkeyid *source.changes
[06:21] <rmjb> anyhow guys, thanks for the discussion and clarrification... I'd really like to join this group, and help he-man
[06:21] <rmjb> oh, and Go Windies! though we lost against India today (
[06:24] <lupine_85> that worked - thanks. Easy when you know how :)
[06:25] <lupine_85> now let's see it get ripped to shreds ;)
[06:39] <imbrandon> okies off to be i am, gnight Hobbsee StevenK ajmitch and *
[06:39] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon
[06:39] <lupine_85> night :)
[06:40] <ajmitch> night imbrandon
[06:40] <Fujitsu> Night!
[07:42] <Kagou> hi
[07:43] <Fujitsu> Hi.
[07:43] <yusufm> hi
[07:54] <yusufm> hi
[07:54] <yusufm> I have a signing question
[07:55] <yusufm> I created my gpg key
[07:55] <Fujitsu> OK.
[07:55] <yusufm> and its in my .bashrc
[07:55] <yusufm> but I keep getting
[07:55] <yusufm> this error
[07:55] <yusufm> when runnign debuild -S
[07:55] <yusufm> gpg: skipped "Yusuf M <yusufm@test.com>": secret key not available
[07:56] <yusufm> why isn't it finding my key?
[07:56] <Mithrandir> what does gpg output if you run gpg --list-keys?
[07:56] <Fujitsu> It means your secret key doesn't have an ID named identically to what you put in the changelog.
[07:57] <yusufm> pub   1024D/2CC97543 2006-09-16 [expires: 2006-12-15] 
[07:57] <yusufm> uid                  Yusuf M <yusufm@gmail.com>
[07:57] <yusufm> sub   2048g/C78F3CC1 2006-09-16 [expires: 2006-12-15] 
[07:57] <Hobbsee> yusufm: specify debuild -S -sa -k<yourkeyid>
[07:57] <Mithrandir> 'Yusuf M <yusufm@test.com>' != 'Yusuf M <yusufm@gmail.com>'
[07:57] <Fujitsu> The issue is the test.com vs. gmail.com...
[07:57] <yusufm> ok
[07:57] <yusufm> got it
[07:57] <yusufm> i'll try it again
[07:57] <Hobbsee> that too
[07:58] <yusufm> cool, that worked
[07:59] <Fujitsu> :)
[08:00] <yusufm> now I'm trying to do sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc
[08:00] <yusufm> but I'm getting a bunch of errors, one line is:
[08:01] <yusufm> E: failed to find /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz, have you done <pbuilder create> to create your base tarball yet?
[08:01] <Fujitsu> You apparently haven't created the base tarball.
[08:01] <yusufm> the directions in the packaging guide did not say anythign about running a create
[08:01] <Fujitsu> yusufm, sure?
[08:01] <Fujitsu> It probably assumed it.
[08:01] <yusufm> I'm in the "building source package" section in https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html
[08:05] <yusufm> I may have missed it
[08:05] <Hobbsee> we dont link the pbuilder stuff in the packaging guide?  odd
[08:05] <Hobbsee> !pbuilder
[08:05] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[08:05] <yusufm> I'm running sudo pbuild create now
[08:06] <yusufm> pbuilder builds in a clean env right?
[08:06] <Fujitsu> yusufm, yes. Are you running Dapper or Edgy?
[08:06] <yusufm> how would I test the new package I create in a clean environemnt?
[08:06] <yusufm> dapper
[08:06] <Fujitsu> yusufm, do you want to create packages for Edgy?
[08:06] <yusufm> right now I'm just learning this
[08:07] <Fujitsu> Ah, OK.
[08:07] <yusufm> I hope to be doing it for edgy going forward
[08:07] <Fujitsu> Once you run sudo pbuilder build [whatever] , the binaries will appear in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/.
[08:08] <yusufm> and then is there a way to run these binaries in a clean environment?
[08:09] <yusufm> what i'm trying to get at is that there may be installed/etc. on my current system that may not produce bugs, but
[08:09] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I usually run pdebuild
[08:09] <yusufm> on normal systems they would produce the bugs
[08:10] <Fujitsu> Ooh, I like the look of that, StevenK :)
[08:12] <StevenK> Fujitsu: You didn't know that one?
[08:12] <Fujitsu> I'd heard of it, but never looked into it.
[08:12] <Kagou> yusufm: please read entire document https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/gs-pbuilder.html
[08:12] <StevenK> Wow, I may well have doubled Fujitsu's productivity, and he's already filing syncs and merges like a rocket-powered chipmunk.
[08:13] <Fujitsu> I've not done so much the past few days, unfortunately... School gets in the way of things :(
[08:13] <Fujitsu> But in 5 weeks, I'll have more than three months off :D
[08:13] <Fujitsu> Nothing to do but Ubuntu!
[08:13] <StevenK> Heh
[08:13] <Fujitsu> And I like chipmunks :)
[08:13] <StevenK> Heh
[08:14] <Kagou> doko_: take all the cpu time on build farm ...he use pbuilder intensively ;)
[08:15] <Fujitsu> Yay, I've got 71 done sync requests I've filed, and 31 done merges... As well as a number of other bugs I've converted to sync requests :)
[08:16] <Fujitsu> And a couple of bug fixes thrown into the mix as well :)
[08:16] <Fujitsu> Hm... Plus all the merges before the new workflow.
[08:21] <Hobbsee> heh, nice
[08:21] <Fujitsu> Not particularly.
[08:21] <Hobbsee> StevenK: oh dear.  dont do that :P
[08:21] <StevenK> Hobbsee: :-P
[08:22] <Hobbsee> StevenK: the scary thing is, Fujitsu reminds me of myself, before i got MOTU
[08:22] <Fujitsu> StevenK, how?
[08:22] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[08:22] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, how.
[08:22] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: that's scary
[08:22] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: rather
[08:23] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: havent you seen my impressively long list of packages?
[08:23] <Fujitsu> How's it scary?
[08:23] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, I have.
[08:23] <ajmitch> now I get all twisted & bitter & work on a smaller set of packages
[08:23] <Hobbsee> half the time, launchpad times out loading them all :P
[08:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: when we all hit MOTU, we seem to become lazy
[08:23] <ajmitch> work is chewing up too much time at the moment
[08:24] <Fujitsu> Hm. Similar, but yours are all useful, (ie not merges and syncs).
[08:24] <Fujitsu> When did Soyuz actually come into proper use?
[08:25] <StevenK> Just before Dapper, I think
[08:25] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: heh.  some are undos of my previous stuff
[08:26] <crimsun> Hobbsee: not everyone. slomo's truckin' away at least.
[08:26] <Hobbsee> true htat
[08:26] <StevenK> What's a htat?
[08:26] <Hobbsee> StevenK: hah.  yes, and i made myself look like an idiot by asking who Soyuz was
[08:26] <StevenK> Is it like a hat?
[08:26] <StevenK> Bwahaha
[08:27] <Fujitsu> And crimsun's doing all the u-u-s uploads, which must be a bit of a hindrance :P
[08:27] <Mithrandir> Fujitsu: we switched to soyuz in February.
[08:27] <Hobbsee> it's a hat, and when you read it, a large saucepan comes and bashes you over the head
[08:27] <StevenK> Hobbsee: :-P
[08:27] <Fujitsu> Mithrandir, OK, thanks :)
[08:27] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: run fast..
[08:27] <Fujitsu> :O
[08:27] <Hobbsee> hah!
[08:27] <Fujitsu> You can't do that to the release manager!
[08:28] <Hobbsee> sure i can
[08:28] <Mithrandir> Fujitsu: she just did. :-/
[08:28] <Fujitsu> :O
[08:28] <Hobbsee> awwww....
[08:28] <Hobbsee> poor Mithrandir.  would you like a hug?
[08:28] <Mithrandir> hugs++
[08:29] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: did anything come of that unionfs issue with mono?
[08:29] <tseng> omg hugs
[08:29] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: I know what the issue is and I think I know how to fix it, but ENOTIME so far.
[08:29] <ajmitch> alright
[08:29] <Mithrandir> maybe today.
[08:29] <tseng> Mithrandir: there's a hug in it for you
[08:31] <Hobbsee> tseng: a hug given by whom though?
[08:31] <tseng> Hobbsee: me
[08:31] <tseng> Hobbsee: or you, whoever he finds prettier
[08:31] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Are you planning on going for MOTU?
[08:32] <Hobbsee> tseng: hehe
[08:32] <ajmitch> tseng: I think the answer to that would be simira
[08:32] <tseng> sure
[08:32] <tseng> can be arranged
[08:33] <Fujitsu> StevenK, eventually... I'm not sure when I'll qualify though...
[08:33] <Fujitsu> There's no rigidly defined guidelines, which is annoying..
[08:33] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I had done far less than you, I recall
[08:33] <Fujitsu> But you were a DD!
[08:33] <StevenK> Were?
[08:34] <crimsun> considering you've hauled the majority of the syncs lately, I'd say you're in a good position to apply anytime. I'd write down some universe plans.
[08:34] <ajmitch> lots of small fixes are useful, they may look for more than that
[08:34] <Fujitsu> Well, are, but you were at the time.
[09:15] <dholbach> good morning
[09:15] <dholbach> did anybody announce a REVU day?
[09:17] <Hobbsee> no, i'm conveniently ignoring it :P
[09:17] <shawarma> Plug: I am now..
[09:18] <dholbach> hmhrmhrmhrm
[09:39] <Plug> shawarma: nm, I think I found out how you did it from the packages
[09:47] <shawarma> Plug: Did "it"?
[09:48] <Plug> Changed the source to put things in the right directories
[09:48] <Plug> for the nm-pptp plugin
[09:50] <shawarma> Plug: Ah. Yes, it's quite simple, actually.
[09:51] <shawarma> Plug: I changed the makefile.am, the .name file and lastly the .c or .h file that referenced it.
[10:12] <fatal__> is the MOTU organisation similar to the sponsoring process in Debian? A maintainer for a package can't upload it himself?
[10:13] <Hobbsee> fatal__: only MOTU's can upload packages to universe, and only core devs can upload packages to main.  you dont have to be the maintainer to change a package
[10:15] <fatal__> ok, thanks. :/
[10:17] <Fujitsu> Somebody care to reupload convertall (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3202), it was just rejected from NEW due to something going screwy with debian/copyright.
[10:21] <iapx8088> mmh
[10:22] <iapx8088> imbrandon,  should all new packages in edgy have debhelper>5.0.0?
[10:22] <iapx8088> imbrandon, I read so debian/control build-dep debhelper should be >=5, not >=4
[10:22] <iapx8088> in http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3202
[10:22] <iapx8088> and moreover, where can i find all those guidelines
[10:38] <xerxas> Hi
[10:38] <iapx8088> hi
[10:38] <Fujitsu> Hi.
[10:39] <ivoks> hi
[10:40] <Fujitsu> Hi ivoks.
[10:42] <ivoks> can someome give me a hand with cdbs?
[10:47] <ivoks> dholbach: ping :)
[10:48] <dholbach> ivoks: pong
[10:48] <ivoks> dholbach: could you help me with cdbs? :/
[10:48] <dholbach> I can try
[10:48] <ivoks> i have one bin, couple of libs and one -dev in source
[10:49] <dholbach> ok
[10:49] <ivoks> i did everything ok, but i just can split files to packages
[10:49] <ivoks> i've created .files for every package
[10:49] <dholbach> create   .install    files
[10:49] <ivoks> but cdbs just ignores that
[10:49] <dholbach> they work good for me
[10:49] <ivoks> .install?
[10:49] <ivoks> doh.. :)
[10:49] <dholbach> debian/<binary-package>.install
[10:49] <ivoks> thanks
[10:49] <dholbach> if it goes wrong, feel free to tell me
[10:50] <dholbach> running    dh_install --list-missing    is usually a good idea too
[10:50] <dholbach> (if you split things up)
[10:50] <ivoks> true
[11:03] <Fujitsu> Any MOTUs around that can review a small change to convertall on REVU?
[11:03] <Fujitsu> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3202
[11:31] <ivoks> ok...
[11:32] <ivoks> now it's ok
[11:32] <ivoks> dholbach: one more tiny question :)
[11:32] <dholbach> fire away
[11:32] <ivoks> dholbach: linda reports The .la file /usr/lib/libburn/libburn.la contains a libdir which is different to its path
[11:32] <iapx8088> mmh
[11:33] <dholbach> sounds like an upstream problem
[11:33] <dholbach> does it use .pc files?
[11:33] <ivoks> yes
[11:33] <dholbach> then you don't need to install the .la files
[11:33] <iapx8088> why dpkg-buildpackage needs -k? I have my keyid in export as the motu guide says
[11:33] <ivoks> ok, thanks
[11:33] <dholbach> iapx8088: -k if you build the package for somebody else
[11:33] <dholbach> iapx8088: (and are planning to upload it for somebody else)
[11:33] <xerxas> can someone review my package for pymsn, it's here:
[11:34] <xerxas> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/pymsn/ubuntu/
[11:34] <iapx8088> dholbach, dholbach, no I want just to sign with my key
[11:34] <xerxas> to test it , there is cocoon , an msn client
[11:34] <xerxas> cocoon can be found at http://projects.collabora.co.uk/~asabil/bzr/cocoon/
[11:34] <iapx8088> I just followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[11:34] <dholbach> iapx8088: debuild -S should suffice
[11:34] <iapx8088> let's try
[11:35] <iapx8088> mmh secret key not available
[11:35] <iapx8088> mhmhmhmhmhm
[11:36] <iapx8088> it's there, everything is fine if I specify with k
[11:36] <Fujitsu> iapx8088, make sure the ID you listed in the changelog is indentical to that on your GPG key.
[11:37] <iapx8088> ha!
[11:37] <iapx8088> ok
[11:37] <Fujitsu> *identical
[11:38] <iapx8088> thanks!
[11:38] <Fujitsu> No problem :)
[11:41] <iapx8088> Fujitsu, by ID you mean the email? I don't remeber the right place to put the key in Changelog, nor I see it in the official package changelog (in the source of cours)
[11:41] <Fujitsu> iapx8088, the ID, like mine is:
[11:42] <Fujitsu> William Alexander Grant <william.grant@ubuntu.com.au>
[11:42] <iapx8088> ergh
[11:42] <Fujitsu> That matches an ID on my key.
[11:42] <iapx8088> I have it, maybe it's not identical
[11:42] <iapx8088> thanls
[11:42] <Fujitsu> It needs to be indentical :)
[11:42] <Fujitsu> *identical
[11:42] <Fujitsu> I keep making that same typo :(
[11:43] <iapx8088> ok it's going
[11:43] <iapx8088> it was Giuseppe Dia (Dia) <giusedia@libero.it>
[11:43] <iapx8088> the comment was wreaking havoc
[11:43] <iapx8088> that (Dia)
[11:44] <Fujitsu> Yes, it does that.
[11:45] <iapx8088> sorry I closed
[11:46] <iapx8088> I did ask that before, where can I find a guideline to questions like (why I should put debhelper>5 and not >4) in the wiki?
[11:46] <iapx8088> or (should I put debhelper>5 even if I have a dapper drake but I usual use an edgy pbuilder?)
[11:46] <dholbach> that's stuff that *should* be in the packaging guide
[11:46] <dholbach> or in MOTU/FAQ
[11:47] <iapx8088> thanks
[11:47] <dholbach> or rather point to the relevant bit of the debian policy
[11:50] <Tonio_> any revu admin there please ?
[11:50] <Tonio_> dholbach: hey ;)
[11:51] <Tonio_> dholbach: I'm trying to upload transkode (package from fabo) to revu, but upload fails, is that possible to nuke existing stuff ?
[11:51] <dholbach> Tonio_: I'm no REVU admin.
[11:51] <Tonio_> dholbach: ah...
[11:51] <Tonio_> siretart: ping ?
[11:52] <Tonio_> or raphink ?
[11:52] <raphink> busy phonr
[11:52] <raphink> phone
[11:52] <Tonio_> raphink: okay ;)
[11:53] <iapx8088> mhmh rather confusing
[11:54] <Fujitsu> Any MOTUs able to upload a small debian/copyright change from REVU? convertall was rejected from NEW because I managed to mangle it accidentally.
[11:54] <iapx8088> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources it says: to put the target suite to be dapper ( I would expect edgy)
[11:54] <Fujitsu> iapx8088, yes.
[11:54] <iapx8088> yes edgy?
[11:54] <dholbach> Fujitsu: looking
[11:55] <Fujitsu> Thanks, dholbach.
[11:56] <iapx8088> Fujitsu, i did not catch it :D.
[12:05] <xerxas> is there a motu here that can review my pymsn packaging ?
[12:06] <xerxas> what the name of the RFP for ubuntu ?
[12:07] <xerxas> other question: is there a MOTU planet ?
[12:07] <Nafallo> no, just Ubuntu Planet AFAIK
[12:08] <xerxas> ok
[12:11] <iapx8088> mmh I cannot find it everywhere
[12:11] <Fujitsu> What?
[12:11] <iapx8088> nor in the deb maint guide, nor in the policy
[12:11] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[12:11] <Fujitsu> It should be there!
[12:12] <iapx8088> if I should put edgy or dapper (and this has nothing to do with debian) and the version of debhelper to put (5 or 4)
[12:12] <iapx8088> Fujitsu, here nothing (or wrong, regarding the target) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources and no other info
[12:13] <iapx8088> of course the deb maint guide knows nothing about edgy :D
[12:20] <iapx8088> oh, anyway it's never going to go into universe.
[01:05] <cassidy> dholbach: i'm looking your mail to ask a UVF break. How can i get "attach diffstat, changelog and build-/install-log (as files)" ? :)
[01:06] <dholbach> cassidy: it's not UniverseFreeze yet
[01:06] <dholbach> (if you ask for Universe)
[01:06] <cassidy> dholbach: ohhh nice !
[01:06] <dholbach> Sep 28th
[01:06] <cassidy> dholbach: i have to fill a bug ?
[01:07] <dholbach> yeah
[01:07] <dholbach> after Sep 28th
[01:07] <dholbach> main is frozen already, universe not yet
[01:07] <dholbach> ubuntu-release for main, motu-uvf for universe
[01:08] <cassidy> i have to fill a bug to request a sync with Debian ?
[01:08] <dholbach> that too yes
[01:08] <dholbach> and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[01:08] <cassidy> ok ok, thanks !
[01:08] <dholbach> super
[01:09] <cassidy> et hop https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/apt-proxy/+bug/61635
[01:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61635 in apt-proxy "Sync request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[01:09] <iapx8088> dholbach, am I to put edgy or dapper as a target (faq says dapper!) and should debhelper be 5 even if I'm not using PY?
[01:11] <dholbach> we can only upload new stuff to edgy
[01:11] <dholbach> so 'edgy'
[01:11] <dholbach> dapper is closed
[01:12] <dholbach> dapper-updates, maybe, but rather edgy
[01:12] <iapx8088> I see
[01:12] <iapx8088> let's go for edgy
[01:12] <iapx8088> and what about debhelper?
[01:12] <iapx8088> I believe it should be 5, if we are going for edgy
[01:14] <iapx8088> am I right>
[01:14] <Plug> neat
[01:14] <Plug> New changes have caused my NM VPN plugin to die :)
[01:15] <Plug> but I have a rough idea why, at least
[01:15] <Plug> just its soooo late
[01:35] <Yagisan> Fujitsu, thanks mate. already noticed it forgot all my evolution passwords
[01:35] <Fujitsu> Fantastic!
[01:36] <Nafallo> Yagisan: those are in gnome-password-manager now :-)
[01:36] <Nafallo> no
[01:36] <Q-FUNK> #61626
[01:36] <Nafallo> gnome-keyring actually
[01:36] <Yagisan> Nafallo, oh - so they are in the application that didn't get installed o_O
[01:37] <Q-FUNK> bug #61626
[01:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61626 in cups-pdf "Please sync cups-pdf (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61626
[01:37] <Q-FUNK> ah
[01:37] <Nafallo> Yagisan: :-)
[01:37] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK, nononono.
[01:38] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK, you need to subscribe, not assign, ubuntu-archive, and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors, so they can approve it.
[01:38] <Fujitsu> And don't confirm them yourself, unless you became a MOTU while I wasn't looking :P
[01:39] <Yagisan> nice to see everything else is going well so far
[01:39] <Fujitsu> Good, Yagisan :)
[01:39] <Yagisan> not like my brrezy -> dapper upgrade
[01:39] <Fujitsu> What happened there?
[01:39] <Q-FUNK> hm.  how do i subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors ?
[01:39] <Yagisan> damm uni eating all my time
[01:39] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK, `Subscribe someone else'.
[01:39] <Yagisan> Fujitsu, it wasted the system completely
[01:40] <Yagisan> heh firefox had a name change
[01:42] <Q-FUNK> those modal menus in launchpad really take some getting used to.
[01:42] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK, please see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000181.html.
[01:42] <Fujitsu> There are a couple of other things you need to take care of.
[01:45] <Q-FUNK> Fujitsu: hm?  such as? the ony item I see there is the changelog excerpt
[01:45] <Fujitsu> ubuntu-archive is still assigned, and that.
[01:46] <Q-FUNK> Bug #61427
[01:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61427 in upgrade-system "Please sync upgrade-system (universe) from unstable (main)" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61427
[01:46] <Q-FUNK> comapre with this one.  done with pitti's script
[01:46] <Q-FUNK> Fujitsu: who does it get assinged to then?
[01:46] <Yagisan> :( no OO.org for me
[01:46] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK, nobody.
[01:47] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK, the archive admin will assign themselves when they do it.
[01:47] <Q-FUNK> ah
[01:47] <Fujitsu> And don't confirm them yourself.
[01:47] <Fujitsu> If you do, they'll not get acked by a MOTU, so they won't be synced.
[01:49] <Q-FUNK> ah
[01:49] <Q-FUNK> well, pitti's script auto-confirms, so...
[01:50] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK, it's probably meant for MOTUs.
[01:50] <Q-FUNK> you remind me that I should porbably add myself to the next meeting's agenda.
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Which meeting?
[01:51] <Q-FUNK> community council, iirc
[01:51] <Fujitsu> For doing what?
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Membership?
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Yes, membership is one...
[01:52] <Q-FUNK> right.  that would be membership first, then prove yourself, then be consdered for motu.
[01:53] <Plug> ok!
[01:53] <Q-FUNK> anyhow. I'm mostly interested in eliminating the delta between versions f my packages at debian and ubuntu.
[01:53] <lupine_85> could a nice admin resync the keyring? :) I (tried to) join the wrong group this morning (ubuntu-dev, not ubuntu-universe-contributors!).
[01:53] <Plug> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3206
[01:53] <Plug> try THAT one on for size
[01:53] <lupine_85> I assume that's why the package I uploaded hasn't shown up in revu yet
[01:54] <Fujitsu> lupine_85, I noticed you'd attempted to join today :)
[01:54] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK, prove yourself, then membership, then prove yourself more, then be considered for MOTU.
[01:55] <lupine_85> that's what I get for trying to work at 5am, I guess :)
[01:55] <Q-FUNK> Fujitsu: 1st step is already done with over 2 years of package maintenance at debian.
[01:55] <Fujitsu> But contribution to Ubuntu?
[01:56] <lupine_85> will I need to re-upload to revu or do things uploaded by people it doesn't recognise get held for a while?
[01:56] <Q-FUNK> adding to that merging Ubuntu patches
[01:56] <Plug> Fujitsu: thats the part he's trying to do now, you see. :)
[01:56] <Fujitsu> lupine_85, you'll need to reupload.
[01:57] <Q-FUNK> Fujitsu: reading my homepage on Launchpad might be useful to you at this point. ;)
[01:58] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK, what about it?
[01:58] <Q-FUNK> Fujitsu: did you read it?
[01:59] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK, yes...
[01:59] <Q-FUNK> did you also ead the wiki page?
[02:00] <Fujitsu> Ah, OK, there's a little more on there :)
[02:00] <hikenboot> hello all---I was suggested that ubuntu edgy (6.10) would have germinate-update-metapackage...it does not and it doesnt appear to be available in its apt-sources list (which is exceptionally short with only 4 entries) was the information I was told wrong?
[02:00] <Q-FUNK> and that "little more" has been there for a long time, if you check the changelog :)
[02:01] <Yagisan> WTF?! alleyoop just dumped a /debian dir in my root directory
[02:01] <Fujitsu> Yagisan, fun.
[02:02] <Yagisan> I hope no one here touched it last
[02:03] <Fujitsu> There was an upload of it today...
[02:03] <Fujitsu> Or yesterday, it appears.
[02:03] <Fujitsu> I remember it...
[02:03] <Fujitsu> Although it was just adding a .desktop.
[02:04] <Q-FUNK> Fujitsu: I was on the community council agenda, ages ago.  However someone (jdub or mako - I forgot which one) said that my wiki page was too sketchy, but would not say on which aspects.
[02:04] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK, you need to document what contributions you've made to Ubuntu.
[02:05] <Q-FUNK> I think that's already there.
[02:05] <Plug> I think he's trying to contribute now. ;)
[02:05] <Yagisan> Fujitsu, I see. crimsun touched it last o_O
[02:06] <Fujitsu> Wha?
[02:06] <Fujitsu> No...
[02:06] <Q-FUNK> Plug: I think you're tryng to be funny now. ;)
[02:06] <Fujitsu> Changed-By: Matti Lindell <mlind@cs.joensuu.fi>
[02:06] <Plug> No, seriously
[02:06] <Fujitsu> (0.9.0-6ubuntu1)
[02:06] <Plug> it's not very clearly laid out (or it is, but its somewhat odd for outsiders)
[02:06] <Plug> that you contribute to MOTU first by not actually being a MOTU :)
[02:07] <Q-FUNK> reverse fuzzy logic.
[02:07] <Yagisan> Plug, I thought it was clear when I first came here
[02:08] <Fujitsu> Yagisan, as did I.
[02:08] <ajmitch> probably because you contribute to ubuntu, not to MOTU
[02:08] <Plug> I know how it works
[02:08] <Yagisan> ajmitch, hows it going ?
[02:08] <Plug> I'm just saying that you shouldn't try and scare good DD candidates off. :)
[02:08] <ajmitch> alright, how are you?
[02:09] <ajmitch> if they're DDs, they can't be scared off by a little bureaucracy
[02:09] <Yagisan> ajmitch, not bad. zero free time recently though :(
[02:09] <Yagisan> don't even have time to tinker at the moment
[02:12] <Yagisan> right bug #61644 filed.
[02:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61644 in alleyoop "Alleyoop dumps a debian directory in /" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61644
[02:12] <StevenK> Nice!
[02:12] <ajmitch> someone did a broken upload
[02:13] <StevenK> Fujitsu: You've done enough, get off!
[02:13] <StevenK> :-P
[02:13] <Fujitsu> I've only fixed like 3 package bugs, the rest have been merges/syncs :P
[02:13] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Tough!
[02:14] <Yagisan> and now to reboot because update-manager is bugging me. brb
[02:15] <Fujitsu> Erm: Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Indeed, it does put crap everywhere...
[02:16] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Feature.
[02:16] <ajmitch> oh, they changed the maintainer field finally?
[02:16] <StevenK> ajmitch: Yup.
[02:16] <Fujitsu> StevenK, why?
[02:16] <StevenK> Fujitsu: There's a spec about it.
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Global change?
[02:17] <StevenK> Fujitsu: The short story is because most DD's *hate* Ubuntu.
[02:17] <Fujitsu> StevenK, noted.
[02:17] <StevenK> Fujitsu: And yes
[02:17] <Fujitsu> I knew there was a spec about it...
[02:17] <Fujitsu> I didn't know it was actually being done, though,.
[02:17] <StevenK> Fujitsu: If you file bugs in the Debian BTS with an Ubuntu address, you may be told about a few fire trucks.
[02:18] <Q-FUNK> ajmitch: or maybe they come here because they loathe Debian bureaucracy in the first place...
[02:18] <Fujitsu> I hear that a lot of maintainers eat Ubuntu people.
[02:18] <StevenK> ajmitch: :-P
[02:18] <StevenK> I came here because I like Ubuntu and want to help.
[02:18] <Fujitsu> :)
[02:18] <StevenK> Since then, I've discovered that Ubuntu is better...
[02:19] <Fujitsu> StevenK, yay :D
[02:19] <slomo_> StevenK: i'm maintaining stuff in debian with my ubuntu address... and nobody killed me yet ;)
[02:19] <StevenK> slomo_: Exercise patience.
[02:19] <StevenK> :-)
[02:20] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I have a rant about Debian on my personal wiki.
[02:20] <Fujitsu> StevenK, nice! I'm sure they love you for it.
[02:20] <StevenK> No one else has seen it.
[02:20] <StevenK> When I say personal, I mean _personal_
[02:20] <ajmitch> what good is a rant if noone sees it?
[02:21] <Q-FUNK> StevenK: ditto.  or well, ubbuntu is still debian, but a debian that if infinitely more usable out of the box than the stadad one.
[02:21] <Yagisan> hmm. that was one very long, very slow boot
[02:21] <StevenK> ajmitch: Ditto.
[02:21] <Fujitsu> :)
[02:21] <StevenK> ajmitch: Um. I wanted the stuff off my chest
[02:22] <StevenK> Oh yeah, I need to add to it
[02:23] <Q-FUNK> It's probably a question of attitude, more than anything.  The situation at Debian reminds me a lot of what's going on in several LUGs in Finland, right now.
[02:24] <Yagisan> :'( why do I get "ILLEGAL EXTENDED X86 OPCODE" messages from the kernel
[02:24] <Yagisan> when booting
[02:33] <lupine_85> ah, the joys of t'internet#
[02:36] <Fujitsu> Debdiff uploaded to bug #61644.
[02:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61644 in alleyoop "Alleyoop dumps a debian directory in /" [Untriaged,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61644
[02:37] <Fujitsu> That took 25 minutes... Most of that attacking pbuilder, though.
[02:38] <Q-FUNK> Something tells me that the wiki host might be overloaded.
[02:38] <ajmitch> so it was a change that slipped through in the last couple of days that broke alleyoop
[02:38] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, yesterday.
[02:38] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK, it's been doing that over the past few days.
[02:40] <Yagisan> hmm. does bootchart still work with edgy - I don't see any pretty charts that say I have a slow system
[02:47] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Have you got a debdiff?
[02:48] <Fujitsu> For what?
[02:49] <ajmitch> alleyoop!
[02:49] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: hi
 Debdiff uploaded to bug #61644.
[02:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61644 in alleyoop "Alleyoop dumps a debian directory in /" [Untriaged,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61644
[02:49] <Fujitsu> Hi, Hobbsee.
[02:49] <StevenK> Fujitsu: It looks wrong
[02:50] <Fujitsu> Does it?
[02:50] <StevenK> 1) Does it build, and 2) Does the dpkg -c output look sane?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hi Fujitsu
[02:50] <Fujitsu> StevenK, it builds, and yes, it is sane, and yes, it actually gets displayed in the menus.
[02:51] <ajmitch> StevenK: it is sane, but it's dh_install
[02:51] <StevenK> Ahh
[02:51] <ajmitch> so it adds debian/alleyoop to the dest path anyway
[02:51] <xerxas> is there a motu here that can review my pymsn package ?
[02:51] <StevenK> Oh right.
[02:51] <Fujitsu> Yup :)
[02:51] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I'll upload it, if you want.
[02:51] <Fujitsu> Thanks :)
[02:51] <ajmitch> this is why I always build with DH_VERBOSE on my packages :)
[02:51] <xerxas> it's at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/pymsn/ubuntu/
[02:52] <Fujitsu> I don't generally request crackful uploads... I always check that the fixes I make actually work :P
[02:52] <xerxas> howcome there is no bug on edgy ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+bugs ?
[02:53] <Fujitsu> Because they're on Ubuntu, not Ubuntu Edgy.
[02:53] <ajmitch> xerxas: because most bugs are filed against the package in ubuntu, not in ubuntu edgy
[02:53] <xerxas> ok
[02:53] <Fujitsu> Has the maintainer been set for just packages with Ubuntu changes, or everything?
[02:54] <StevenK> Everything, except for Maintainers who have request to not have theirs mangled
[02:54] <Fujitsu> Aha, nice.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hah
[02:54] <Q-FUNK> LOL
[02:54] <StevenK> Hah
[02:54] <zul> ewww...warm beer
[02:54] <Q-FUNK> ajmitch: it's a good way to enforce leaxation, though. :)
[02:54] <ajmitch> zul: eww no
[02:55] <ajmitch> we're not english
[03:03] <lupine_a> ok, I try to upload using dput and it says "Uploading via ftp rutilt_0.12-1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.'"...
[03:04] <lupine_a> that's with command dput -f revu *_source.changes
[03:04] <ajmitch> lupine_a: you probably cancelled a previous upload, or did a binary upload
[03:04] <ajmitch> try now
[03:05] <lupine_a> aha, life! :) Thanks
[03:06] <lupine_a> I uploaded it when not joined to the launchpad group by accident (I thought I'd registered, but that was actually ubuntu-dev)
[03:10] <Yagisan> any other amd64 users getting  "ILLEGAL EXTENDED X86 OPCODE" on VT1 during boot ?
[03:10] <lupine_85> I get that to - in edgy
[03:10] <lupine_85> too*
[03:11] <Fujitsu> StevenK, you are going to upload that at some point, aren't you?
[03:11] <Yagisan> lupine_85, thanks for confirming it's not just me
[03:15] <lupine_85> Yagisan: it's probably just because it's still a debug kernel
[03:16] <Yagisan> lupine_85, I hope so. It's not something I'd want to see in a release build.
[03:16] <lupine_85> hmmm, /me thinks that the keyring still doesn't have him on
[03:17] <iapx8088> mmh
[03:17] <zul> lupine_85: have you considered opening a bug report about it so the kernel team or some other team knows about it?
[03:17] <iapx8088> it's just me that I'm having huge problems with internet
[03:17] <iapx8088> or anyone else?
[03:18] <iapx8088> lupine_85, I'm thinking that too, but it's strange
[03:19] <iapx8088> bbl
[03:22] <Q-FUNK> hub: :)
[03:26] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:32] <lupine_a> can cany admin types check that my gpg key is in the keyring? Because I think it isn't :(
[03:32] <lupine_a> (I followed the instructions, but slightly disjointedly ;) )
[03:37] <lupine_85> ajmitch: I think I'm not in the keyring, still :(
[03:47] <chantra> hi, could someone point me out to the categories available for .desktoip files
[03:49] <Hobbsee> chantra: debian maintainers guide lists them all, and what they're fore
[03:49] <Hobbsee> -e
[03:50] <chantra> okie dokie, cheers Hobbsee
[04:17] <fabo> Tonio_: i have uploaded exiv2 to revu, could you take a look :)
[04:17] <fabo> or any other MOTU ;)
[04:17] <Tonio_> fabo: not available at the moment, but ping me in an hour, I'll do it
[04:18] <fabo> ok
[04:18] <fabo> Hobbsee: :)
[04:18] <Tonio_> ping me since I will forget this :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> i'm not reviewing anything at this time of night :P
[04:18] <fabo> minimal changes :)
[04:18] <hub> fabo: I don't see it
[04:19] <hub> fabo: any link?
[04:19] <fabo> hub: uploaded right now, will be refreshed in some minutes
[04:19] <hub> ah
[04:19] <hub> which the latest upstream version?
[04:19] <fabo> you can find it here too -> http://fboudra.free.fr/ubuntu/exiv2_0.10-1.2ubuntu2/
[04:20] <hub> fabo: why not providing the latest version instead
[04:20] <hub> 0.11
[04:20] <fabo> hub: because it was a quick fix to a Debian RC bug
[04:20] <fabo> hub: but you're right, i can update to lates
[04:20] <fabo> t
[04:21] <hub> would make more sense as digikam 0.9 requires it
[04:21] <fabo> hub: quick fix because i need it for kphotoalbum
[04:21] <fabo> be back with 0.11 ;)
[04:22] <hub> what fix?
[04:22] <fabo> hub: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386899
[04:22] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 386899 in libexiv2-0.10 "libexiv2-0.10 ships a wrong shlibs file" [Important,Open] 
[04:23] <sorush20> !azureus
[04:23] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[04:28] <sorush20> gnucash packge is very old please update it
[04:29] <slomo_> sorush20: 2.0.1-3ubuntu3 seems to be pretty new
[04:31] <sorush20> slomo_: oh I see its been updated recently then..
[04:32] <sorush20> kmymoney?
[04:32] <sorush20> how about that is that updated?
[04:33] <fabo> sorush20: i'm on it atm
[04:34] <fabo> sorush20: need to fix a bug before the upload
[04:35] <sorush20> fabo: great..
[04:36] <sorush20> I would just love to have some sort of eta in adept or synaptic for other packages.. but I think that is just being too fussy..
[04:37] <fabo> sorush20: ask mornfall (adept)
[04:38] <Adri2000> archive admins: please empty the queue !! :p
[04:39] <sorush20> what repository did you see gnucash in ?
[04:39] <sorush20> slomo_:
[04:40] <slomo_> edgy/universe
[04:40] <sorush20> slomo_: is that backported to dapper?
[04:40] <slomo_> no
[04:40] <sorush20> slomo_: so I can't use it in dapper..
[04:40] <siretart> slomo_: Nafallo: http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/etch/
[04:41] <siretart> Andrea Mennucc has prepared a new mplayer upload for debian, currently sitting in new
[04:44] <sorush20> there is a .deb package for dapper in the ubuntu forums .. could you guys add it to the repositories ?
[04:45] <Nafallo> siretart: looks like he haven't talked to upstream about his package yet ;-)
[04:46] <fbond> sorush20, stable releases typically don't get a lot of updates ... ask in #ubuntu about using the backports repository, and if gnucash isn't there, you might need to get in touch with the backports maintainer
[04:47] <fbond> * addendum: stable releases usually get security and critical updates only
[04:47] <slomo_> Nafallo: i would assume "she"... but maybe it's only weird italian naming again or something :) and mplayer upstream said they talked with him/her
[04:47] <siretart> Nafallo: at linuxtag diego told me that he was working closely with him/her
[04:48] <sorush20> fbond: well I can't get my head around that.. if there is a newer version available people want it, even if the previous was stable or not,
[04:48] <slomo_> sorush20: that's why the backports exist... ask them to backport gnucash to dapper
[04:50] <sorush20> slomo_: so where do I ask?
[04:50] <sorush20> slomo_: is there a channel?
[04:51] <slomo_> sorush20: https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+filebug
[04:54] <Nafallo> interesting that they have --enable-{win32,real,xanim} then :-)
[04:56] <fbond> sorush20, it looks like someone has already filed a bug to backport GnuCash
[04:56] <fbond> https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bug/52486
[04:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52486 in Baltix "GnuCash 2.0.0 " [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[04:56] <fbond> You can add your +1 there if you'd like
[04:58] <Nafallo> ehrm. Baltix?
[05:05] <fbond> Nafallo, bug is listed as affecting both Dapper and Baltix
[05:06] <Nafallo> ah
[05:06] <fabo> hub: http://fboudra.free.fr/ubuntu/exiv2_0.11-0ubuntu1/
[05:06] <hub> fabo: REVU
[05:06] <fabo> i definitely have a problem to upload to revu
[05:07] <fabo> my previous upload wasn't on REVU
[05:07] <hub> make sure your dputrc is okay
[05:08] <fabo> checking
[05:19] <fabo> hub: my .dput.cf is ok, i have uploaded 0.11 right now
[05:19] <fabo> Successfully uploaded packages ...
[05:55] <chantra> hi, could someone help me out finding the .desktop application entries from debian maintainer's guide :s
[05:55] <chantra> can't find it so far :p
[06:16] <sharms> chantra: can you rephrase?
[06:23] <kmr> hello, I had a question about a bug a filed on launchpad about a universe package. any MOTU around?
[06:24] <sharms> might as well post the link?
[06:24] <kmr> sure, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xmlrpc-c/+bug/61682
[06:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61682 in xmlrpc-c "Please upgrade to new upstream, current version very old" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[06:25] <kmr> I'm aware that edgy is in a feature freeze, but the debian package has an open wishlist bug for 15 months now (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317979)
[06:25] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 317979 in libxmlrpc-c3 "New xmlrpc-c upstream version available" [Unknown,Open] 
[06:25] <kmr> is there a policy about upgrading packages that the debian maintainer is unresponsive to?
[06:26] <kmr> oh, I see a launchpad reply "do it myself" -- that was quick!
[06:27] <kmr> I did create an updated .deb package and offered to comaintain (I'm a debian developer) the package with debian maintainer, but he never answered my email
[06:27] <kmr> hmm, seems to upload a package I'd need to be in the REVU keyring. Is that the best way to go about things or to submit an updated package to some group of MOTUs?
[06:29] <kmr> that question goes further that I maintain about 20 of my upstream packages in debian. would it be worthwhile to upload my periodic updates to ubuntu as well? I imagine most/all of my packages are in the universe category
[06:34] <sharms> kmr: one of the MOTU guys can upload it for you
[06:34] <sharms> kmr: there is a devel meeting going on right now, I am sure one will be viewing this channel shortly
[06:35] <kmr> sharms: very good, thanks very much for the info. in the meantime, I'll make a new .deb with the current upstream version
[06:38] <Gloubiboulga> kmr, if your packages build/install/works fine on ubuntu, a sync is enough
[06:39] <kmr> Gloubiboulga: what do you mean by sync? I've considered doing a NMU of this package on Debian for a long time, but since I'm using ubuntu in a production system, I'm thinking of bypassing the debian NMU procedure
[06:40] <Gloubiboulga> kmr, I have not read everything you wrote, I was just talking about the packages you maintain in debian
[06:41] <kmr> Gloubiboulga: I see. yes, I keep my upstream in debian well sync. But, this is for a neglected package in debian which I'm using in a production system
[06:41] <Gloubiboulga> for the new release there's no NMU in ubuntu, so if you have a new package you just need to ping a MOTU to get it uploaded
[06:42] <kmr> ok. I did send email as suggested about adding my key to REVU. From there an MOTU will review the upload, is that right?
[06:43] <Gloubiboulga> you need to add yourself to the ubuntu-universe-contributors on launchpad
[06:44] <Gloubiboulga> then ask for an update of the gpg keys database
[06:44] <Gloubiboulga> (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU)
[06:46] <kmr> Gloubiboulga: thx. joined the launchpad team and emailed by signed key to keyring@tiber.tauware.de -- thanks for the info
[06:46] <Gloubiboulga> np
[06:47] <kmr> Gloubiboulga: assuming this goes fine for the package that I'll prepare a NMU, should I also send my new upstream versions I upload to Debian to REVU, or just wait for Ubuntu to periodically sync from debian before a new release?
[06:48] <Gloubiboulga> kmr, it will be synced
[06:50] <kmr> Gloubiboulga: got it, thx
[07:03] <phanatic> good evening
[07:04] <Gloubiboulga> evening phanatic
[07:04] <phanatic> hi Gloubiboulga
[07:05] <Nafallo> no meeting anymore?
[07:44] <hub> *sigh*
[07:44] <hub> I hate when package depends on a specific version of dpkg-dev
[07:53] <Q-FUNK> they tend to do that to ensure support of some new feature, such as enhanced package relationship wildcards.
[07:54] <hub> I know
[07:55] <hub> it just  makes it painfull to backport
[07:55] <hub> when I come back from aKademy, I'll dist-upgrade to edgy
[07:55] <hub> really
[07:59] <kagou> hub, could you considere Bug #61709 ?!
[07:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61709 in ufraw "[Edgy]  An ufraw update is needed since the update to libexiv2-0.10." [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61709
[08:00] <hub> kagou: working on it already
[08:00] <hub> kagou: there was a merge waiting
[08:00] <hub> should fix it
[08:00] <kagou> Nice !
[08:01] <hub> the reporter emailed me first
[08:01] <hub> but if it does not, it'll have to wait until october
[08:01] <hub> because I'll leave for aKademy soon and I'm not upgrading the laptop to edgy now
[08:03] <kagou> hub, you have patched ufraw or exiv2 ?
[08:04] <hub> no
[08:04] <hub> just  a merge from MoM
[08:04] <hub> for ufraw
[08:04] <kagou> hub,  what's "MoM" ?
[08:04] <hub> Merge-o-Matic
[08:05] <kagou> ok
[08:06] <kagou> hub, is there a link to see this on launchpad ?! Just to put as comment for the bug and to pass it on "in progress"
[08:07] <hub> just marked as fixed
[08:08] <hub> it should appear soon in edgy
[08:08] <hub> it has been "accepted"
[08:32] <AnAnt> seen bddebian
[08:32] <AnAnt> !seen bddebian
[08:32] <ubotu> I last saw bddebian (n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103) 2h 38m 47s ago, quiting: "Leaving"
[08:32] <AnAnt> ping lionelp
[08:32] <AnAnt> ping dholbach
[08:33] <AnAnt> dholbach: btw, no one yet replied the elinks-full email
[08:39] <slomo_> siretart: beta freeze... :/
[08:40] <AnAnt> what is beta freeze ?
[08:40] <Nafallo> AnAnt: freeze for beta :-)
[08:41] <AnAnt> Nafallo: when is that ?
[08:41] <AnAnt> and does that freeze means that no other packages can be added to universe ?
[08:41] <Nafallo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule :-)
[08:41] <slomo_> AnAnt: "now" :) and only affects main
[08:41] <AnAnt> oh ok
[08:42] <AnAnt> universe freeze is next week ?
[08:42] <Nafallo> 28:th, so yes
[08:43] <AnAnt> after that anything still in REVU won't be REVU'ed for Edgy?
[08:43] <AnAnt> what about those in queue ?
[08:44] <pirast> chances that bug 57360 gets fixed in Edgy?
[08:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57360 in video-dvdrip "[debian-multimedia]  Sync dvdrip" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57360
[08:49] <AnAnt> ping
[08:49] <pirast> pong
[08:50] <AnAnt> after that anything still in REVU won't be REVU'ed for Edgy?
[08:50] <AnAnt> what about those in queue ?
[08:52] <LaserJock> sort of
[08:52] <LaserJock> new packages won't be able to get in unless they can get an exception
[08:52] <LaserJock> but bug fixes that don't introduce a new upstream version or a new package can be uploaded
[08:53] <AnAnt> LaserJock: so even those in queue won't get in ?
[08:53] <LaserJock> AnAnt: which queue?
[08:55] <AnAnt> LaserJock: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue
[08:55] <AnAnt> LaserJock: btw, how about REVU'ing a package ?
[08:55] <dholbach> AnAnt: sorry to hear that - it just proved in earlier times that duplication of source is problematic and the ftpmasters are not that fond of it
[08:55] <AnAnt> dholbach: ok, got my email ?
[08:55] <LaserJock> I believe only "accepted" packages will actually make it in
[08:56] <dholbach> AnAnt: didn't check yet
[08:56] <AnAnt> LaserJock: you mean accepted by REVU or by what ?
[08:56] <LaserJock> but I'm sure the archive admins will try to clear out the queue by Universe Freeze
[08:56] <LaserJock> accepted by the archive admins
[08:56] <AnAnt> k
[08:56] <dholbach> AnAnt: I won't get around to review it today
[08:56] <dholbach> AnAnt: I'm very very busy with other stuff
[08:56] <AnAnt> k
[08:58] <AnAnt> LaserJock: can you REVU a package ?
[08:58] <ajmitch> hi
[08:58] <LaserJock> AnAnt: probably not today
[08:58] <LaserJock> :?
[08:58] <LaserJock> :/ I mean ;-)
[08:59] <AnAnt> LaserJock: well, when you can, here's the upload: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3204
[09:00] <AnAnt> well, got to sleep
[09:17] <lucas> tetrinet anyone ? tetrinet.debian.net
[09:32] <Arcus> Nice = - )
[09:32] <pirast> hi, i'd like to have 3 packages from debian multimedia in edgy
[09:32] <Arcus> Replace Microsoft all ready + - )
[09:33] <LaserJock> pirast: heh, ok. are they on REVU already?
[09:33] <pirast> LaserJock: yeah I am  - so revu is the best way?
[09:33] <Arcus> This Server is Crazy Legit
[09:34] <Arcus> I didnt know there was a legit IRC server
[09:34] <LaserJock> Arcus: what?
[09:34] <LaserJock> pirast: I think so, although you might want to ask the MOTU Multimedia team
[09:34] <Arcus> LaserJock I was Checking out a Microsoft Game and Found myself here
[09:35] <LaserJock> hahaha
[09:35] <pirast> LaserJock: mhm i ll do it via revu.. thanks
[09:35] <Arcus> Microsoft Closed Support for MechWarrior 4 Mercenaries
[09:36] <Arcus> so I was looking at replacing there Zone match server
[09:36] <Arcus> and then I found they use Apache Tomcat/4.1 For the Zone haha
[09:37] <Arcus> that led me to this server
[09:37] <Arcus> and I guess Apache can use Ubuntu OS
[09:37] <LaserJock> haha
[09:37] <Arcus> Crazy or What = - )
[09:38] <LaserJock> Arcus: apace is a web server
[09:38] <LaserJock> and it runs mostly on Linux and Unix OSs
[09:39] <Arcus> Yes = - ) for HTTP
[09:39] <LaserJock> like Ubuntu
[09:39] <Arcus> Yup = - )
[09:39] <Arcus> I trying to replace
[09:39] <Arcus> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Microsoft Games\MechWarrior Mercenaries] 
[09:39] <Arcus> "ZoneServer"="mekmatch.mektek.net"
[09:40] <Arcus> So I am going to make a server on my other Box
[09:40] <Arcus> I just need to figure out how they are distribthing the server list
[09:42] <Arcus> Good Bye and gread job on the ***** star os
[09:42] <LaserJock> cya
[09:42] <pirast> LaserJock, okay, i think ill contact the motu multimedia team..
[09:42] <pirast> how can i ask them?
[09:43] <LaserJock> well first you need to figure out who they are :-)
[09:43] <zul_> well...that was interesting
[09:43] <ajmitch> we get all sorts :)
[09:44] <pirast> LaserJock: :-) comeone, tell me who they are :-)
[09:44] <LaserJock> pirast: https://launchpad.net/people/motumedia/+members
[09:45] <pirast> okay thanks :-)
[09:45] <LaserJock> so that would be crimsun or slomo or Nafallo perhaps
[09:49] <ajmitch> some stuff is working very slowly
[09:49] <ajmitch> like planet, and some things on launchpad
[10:00] <pirast> what is the fuss about ubuntu-main-sponsors?
[10:01] <LaserJock> fuss?
[10:01] <pirast> what are ubuntu main sponsors?
[10:01] <tseng> people who can upload to main on behalf of someone who cant
[10:01] <pirast> ah ok thanks
[10:02] <tseng> most developers can only upload to universe
[10:02] <pirast> LaserJock: is it okay that I subscribed motumedia to the report?
[10:03] <LaserJock> sounds fine to me
[10:03] <pirast> thanks :-)
[10:06] <Bazzi> slomo: thanks for the monodevelop update, very much appreciated
[10:06] <slomo> Bazzi: np :)
[10:14] <pirast> n8
[10:21] <Yagisan> ah crap :( jamie@doomguy:~/COIT12170_Data_Comms$ *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin terminated
[10:21] <Yagisan> ^^
[10:21] <Yagisan> right in the middle of an exam too
[10:25] <marcin_ant> hi guys
[10:25] <LaserJock> Yagisan: that sucks dude
[10:26] <Yagisan> LaserJock, indeed it does
[10:26] <marcin_ant> could someone here tell me why webmin was dropped in ubuntu and there is no package with this software?
[10:26] <Yagisan> marcin_ant, no one maintained it
[10:26] <Yagisan> marcin_ant, it's not trivial either
[10:28] <marcin_ant> Yagisan: ubotu on #ubuntu says: "webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. Please avoid using it."
[10:28] <marcin_ant> Yagisan: do you know what is the reason why ubuntu users should _avoid_ this software?
[10:29] <LaserJock> what Yagisan just said
[10:29] <Yagisan> marcin_ant, sure - it f*cks up your system files as it has not been updated to cope with the many many changes since it was last maintained
[10:30] <marcin_ant> Yagisan: hmm right that can be a reason
[10:30] <Yagisan> marcin_ant, ;) glad I could clarify it.
[10:30] <LaserJock> it was removed from Debian
[10:32] <marcin_ant> ok, now I understand, I just thought that there is some ugly security issue or something...
[10:32] <Yagisan> no, no one looked after it, it started eating systems, and debian dropped it
[10:34] <marcin_ant> btw do you know some good alternative for webmin?
[10:34] <lupine_85> ah, so that's the reason :)
[10:35] <lupine_85> hacking it's apache plugin to edit my apache2 config wasn't a good idea, then?
[10:36] <marcin_ant> hi lupine_85 :)
[10:36] <lupine_85> hi :)
[10:37] <marcin_ant> so, we know why webmin was dropped but I still don't know if is there some good alternative
[10:37] <lupine_85> the package I uploaded to revu still isn't showing up, by the way...
[10:37] <marcin_ant> propably there is nothing simmilar or better
[10:37] <lupine_85> marcin_ant: what sort of things are you trying to do?
[10:38] <lupine_85> if it's simple stuff, a very well-protected cgi-enabled apache dir full of bash scripts would do, at a pinch
[10:38] <lupine_85> or you could take up maintaining webmin ;)
[10:39] <marcin_ant> lupine_85: well currently I would like to have something to replace squirrel mail and I use webmin to manage postfix server
[10:39] <lupine_85> :( only a week left to get this package into the repos... I really don't want to have to keep hosting it if I can avoid it at all
[10:39] <marcin_ant> lupine_85: on some freebsd machine
[10:39] <lupine_85> that + courier
[10:40] <marcin_ant> lupine_85: but I would like to replace this machine with some debian/ubuntu and well I would like to
[10:40] <marcin_ant> lupine_85: do something usefull trying to write alternative to webmin using python and some ajax technologies
[10:41] <Yagisan> the motu that fixes Bug #61742 is my personal hero
[10:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61742 in openoffice.org "Crashes with *** stack smashing detected *** message" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61742
[10:41] <marcin_ant> lupine_85: so I'm not too worried that webmin is dropped - I just would like to know if is there some replacement for webmin
[10:41] <lupine_85> I don't know of one :(
[10:41] <Yagisan> in the meanwhile - abiword gets pride of place
[10:41] <marcin_ant> lupine_85: if there isn't I would like to try to write some
[10:42] <lupine_85> sounds fun :)
[11:08] <dholbach> good night fellas
[11:08] <pygi> night dholbach
[11:09] <dholbach> night pygi
[11:09] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[11:10] <dholbach> night LaserJock
[11:18] <ajmitch> seems there are a few chroot problems
[11:18] <ajmitch> causing builds to break
[11:19] <StevenK> ajmitch: And the fact that doko has taken over them? :-P
[11:19] <ajmitch> that's minor :)
[11:20] <lupine_85> hi ajmitch :)
[11:20] <ajmitch> hello
[11:20] <lupine_85> my package still isn't showing up in revu :(
[11:20] <lupine_85> I think it's the keyring
[11:21] <lupine_85> can you resync it (again, again!)? :)
[11:22] <ajmitch> syncing
[11:32] <ajmitch> it just checks every 5 minutes, so you probably tried to upload in that time
[11:32] <lupine_85> (I got told last night/this morning that I'd have to reupload)
[11:32] <ajmitch> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3208
[11:32] <lupine_85> yep, I've found it :)
[11:33] <lupine_85> thanks for your help
[11:33] <lupine_85> now it just needs ripping to shreds :)
[11:33] <ajmitch> first thing - version number :)
[11:33] <ajmitch> 0.12-0ubuntu1
[11:34] <lupine_85> so I edit the changelog (and control?) for that one?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> not control, just the changelog
[11:36] <Fujitsu> Hey Hobbsee.
[11:36] <pygi> Hobbsee: you have a sec?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> hi Fujitsu
[11:36] <Hobbsee> pygi: sort of
[11:36] <pygi> Hobbsee: ah, nothing then
[11:37] <ajmitch> morning Hobbsee
[11:37] <lupine_85> edit the existing changelog entry? (since the 'new' version number would come out lower)
[11:37] <ajmitch> you're unnaturally early
[11:37] <ajmitch> lupine_85: yes
[11:37] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[11:37] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: indeed
[11:37] <Fujitsu> Yes, you're /very/ early!
[11:38] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Got my memo?
[11:38] <Fujitsu> StevenK, yeah, thanks :)
[11:38] <Fujitsu> I'd never used MemoServe before, I suppose it's quite useful :)
[11:38] <StevenK> s/Serve/Serv/
[11:38] <Fujitsu> Yeah, same thing :P
[11:39] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I mainly use it for you people who aren't permanetly connected to IRC.
[11:40] <ajmitch> blasphemy
[11:41] <Hobbsee> not that early...
[11:42] <Fujitsu> What's this? The third or fourth OOo build in 48 hours?
[11:44] <Sp4rKy> hy
[11:44] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: hi
[11:44] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: i've talked with you about REVU pbuilder process
[11:44] <Sp4rKy> and i've again an answer :
[11:44] <Sp4rKy> with wrapper, does motu need to put their password for sudo start ?
[11:45] <lupine_85> heh, revu's lintian doesn't seem to like the package... all seem related to it being for edgy, thoughh
[11:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61698 in lyx "no unicode in menu" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61698