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| johnnybuoy | hey all! | 04:50 |
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| Keybuk | hey | 04:50 |
| fdsd | hey guys, is there a howto on how to disable startup daemons, like gdm.. | 04:50 |
| johnnybuoy | !upstart | 04:52 |
| Keybuk | fdsd: is gdm being run by upstart, or just by sysv-rc? | 04:53 |
| Keybuk | johnnybuoy: ? | 04:53 |
| fdsd | Keybuk, no idea | 04:53 |
| Keybuk | fdsd: which distro? | 04:54 |
| fdsd | Keybuk, i need to turn off everything not need to just boot to the shell | 04:54 |
| fdsd | edgy knot3 | 04:54 |
| Keybuk | you can disable gdm by renaming the /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm symlink to /etc/rc2.d/K13gdm | 04:54 |
| fdsd | ok | 04:54 |
| fdsd | Keybuk, no easy thing like in gentoo rc-update del gdm default? | 04:55 |
| Keybuk | not in Ubuntu, no | 04:56 |
| fdsd | ok | 04:56 |
| Keybuk | (this has nothing to do with upstart, of course) | 04:56 |
| fdsd | usplash is a pain in the neck in edgy | 04:56 |
| fdsd | ugg | 04:56 |
| johnnybuoy | well, yeah... | 04:57 |
| johnnybuoy | it don't work, no? | 04:57 |
| thom | (you could use update-rc.d) | 04:57 |
| Keybuk | thom: except that always does exactly the wrong thing | 04:57 |
| Keybuk | and results in an upgrade restoring the symlinks | 04:57 |
| thom | right, because there's no way you can signal to make it persist without removing the init script | 04:58 |
| johnnybuoy | really? | 04:59 |
| johnnybuoy | hmm | 04:59 |
| johnnybuoy | that's no good... | 04:59 |
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| kakalto | has upstart been tried under gentoo yet? | 07:29 |
| Keybuk | I believe someone has, yes | 07:29 |
| kakalto | succeedingly? | 07:30 |
| Keybuk | haven't heard | 07:32 |
| Keybuk | either way | 07:32 |
| kakalto | any ideas what it would require for me to attempt to work it? | 07:33 |
| Keybuk | usual, see the getting-started doc | 07:33 |
| kakalto | cool | 07:33 |
| kakalto | thanks | 07:33 |
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| === Topic for #upstart: Upstart 0.2.7 | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/doc/getting-started.html | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpstartDesignChanges | irc logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | ||
| === Topic (#upstart): set by mbiebl at Wed Sep 20 12:31:23 2006 | ||
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| Steven_Shiau | anyone know how to switch the default runlevel to 1 or 3 or other than 2 when edgy alpha3 boots ? | 09:15 |
| Steven_Shiau | since now it's upstart, and /etc/inittab is no more. | 09:15 |
| Keybuk | edit /etc/event.d/rc-default | 09:16 |
| Keybuk | the default runlevel is 2 | 09:16 |
| Keybuk | and 3 is identical to it | 09:16 |
| Keybuk | (assuming you have a fresh install, there's no particular reason you should bother with runlevels at all) | 09:17 |
| Steven_Shiau | Thanks. that's true, but sometimes I need special runlevel to do special thing | 09:17 |
| Keybuk | *nods* | 09:18 |
| Keybuk | so for fresh install, edit /etc/event.d/rc-default and change "telinit 2" to "telinit 3" | 09:18 |
| Keybuk | for upgrades, you will still have /etc/inittab and that will still be used | 09:19 |
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| Steven_Shiau | thanks. The version I am using is: upstart 0.2.7-1 | 09:19 |
| Steven_Shiau | but I did not find /etc/inittab, so do you mean later version or ? | 09:20 |
| Keybuk | I mean upgrades from dapper | 09:20 |
| Keybuk | if you installed edgy fresh, you won't have an /etc/inittab because it's deprecated | 09:20 |
| Keybuk | but if you upgraded from dapper, /etc/inittab will still be there, and the default runlevel specified in that will still be used | 09:20 |
| Steven_Shiau | oh, ic. actually I did a fresh install. | 09:20 |
| Keybuk | you could also, in edgy, do "echo id:3:initdefault: > /etc/inittab | 09:21 |
| Steven_Shiau | got it. appreciate that | 09:21 |
| Steven_Shiau | so in the future, upstart will still respect the /etc/inittab ? | 09:21 |
| Keybuk | for edgy it will, yes | 09:21 |
| Keybuk | edgy+1 will not respect runlevels as much | 09:22 |
| Steven_Shiau | ic. tkx | 09:22 |
| Steven_Shiau | another question, how can I see more messages when my edgy box reboot or boots ? | 09:22 |
| Keybuk | take "quiet" off the kernel command line | 09:23 |
| Steven_Shiau | yes, I already did that. | 09:23 |
| Steven_Shiau | and no usplash at all | 09:23 |
| Steven_Shiau | but it seems that the messages are still less than before | 09:23 |
| Keybuk | you may need some updates due today | 09:23 |
| Steven_Shiau | for upstart 0.2.7-2 ? | 09:23 |
| Keybuk | upstart, lsb-base and sysvinit will all need updating | 09:24 |
| Steven_Shiau | got it. | 09:24 |
| Steven_Shiau | my last question | 09:25 |
| Keybuk | shoot | 09:25 |
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| Steven_Shiau | I need to run a script (/etc/rc2.d/S99firstboot) when edgy boots so that people can enter some number to choose some config, etc. It works in dapper. However, now with edgy alpha3, I can not do it. | 09:26 |
| Steven_Shiau | since all the service just run, and won't wait for me to enter | 09:27 |
| Steven_Shiau | Is that possible to do that ? | 09:27 |
| Keybuk | yes | 09:30 |
| Keybuk | exec </dev/console >/dev/console 2>&1 at the top of the script | 09:30 |
| Steven_Shiau | in my S99firstboot ? | 09:30 |
| Keybuk | yes | 09:30 |
| Steven_Shiau | great! | 09:31 |
| Steven_Shiau | That finishes all my questions. Appreciate that. | 09:31 |
| Keybuk | alternately write the firstboot as an upstart job (/etc/event.d/firstboot) run when the rc script finishes (start on rc3/stop) and on the console (console output) | 09:31 |
| Steven_Shiau | excellent! | 09:32 |
| Steven_Shiau | that's the benefit of upstart! | 09:32 |
| Keybuk | well, at the moment we're just using it to replace sysvinit and not do anything extra | 09:33 |
| Keybuk | to prove the daemon works | 09:33 |
| Steven_Shiau | But it will be better in the future | 09:34 |
| Steven_Shiau | definitely | 09:34 |
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| Seveas | Keybuk, there was an impromptu lightning talk session here at EuroOscon - I pimped upstart, hope you don't mind | 11:32 |
| Seveas | people were impressed by it | 11:32 |
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| Keybuk | has anyone had much experience with gtk-doc-tools, linuxdoc-tools, or doxygen, etc.? | 05:28 |
| === LarstiQ has some experience with doxyge. | ||
| Keybuk | how do you find it to use? | 05:29 |
| LarstiQ | rather ok, though more burdensome than epydoc with docstrings. | 05:30 |
| Keybuk | epydoc is a python thing? | 05:31 |
| LarstiQ | yes. | 05:32 |
| mbiebl | Keybuk: Since you use binary:Version now in debian/control, you should add a versioned build-dep on dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.19) | 05:34 |
| _ion | doxygen is quite nice. | 05:34 |
| Keybuk | mbiebl: could you file a bug for me? | 05:35 |
| mbiebl | Will do | 05:36 |
| Keybuk | on the ubuntu source, obviously | 05:37 |
| mbiebl | sure ;-) | 05:39 |
| mbiebl | #61693 | 05:45 |
| Keybuk | thanks | 05:45 |
| Keybuk | hope to start moving towards 0.5 this weekend | 05:45 |
| _ion | Cool. | 05:46 |
| mbiebl | What features are planned for 0.5? | 05:46 |
| Keybuk | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpstartDesignChanges | 05:46 |
| _ion | (topic) | 05:47 |
| mbiebl | We should probably put out some more sophisticated examples then. | 05:48 |
| mbiebl | So that people get a feeling how to write upstart jobs. | 05:48 |
| Keybuk | how do you mean? | 05:48 |
| Keybuk | once 0.5 is out? | 05:48 |
| mbiebl | Yes, explaining, which features/keywords already work e.g. | 05:49 |
| Keybuk | yes, I agree | 05:49 |
| wasabi__ | The hardest part of those changes I think will be faking a call stack | 06:28 |
| wasabi__ | for event blocking | 06:28 |
| Keybuk | event blocking? | 06:28 |
| wasabi__ | Well, if an event can fail, then it must return a failure status. | 06:28 |
| wasabi__ | And to do that, it must document which jobs were effected by it | 06:29 |
| wasabi__ | And those jobs themselves can emit events that invoke other jobs. | 06:29 |
| wasabi__ | Meaning they themselves wait for the results of those events;. | 06:29 |
| Keybuk | that's the question, do we want to wait for resulting events, or just jobs? | 06:30 |
| wasabi__ | Well, before the results of an event can be known, all the jobs must complete. | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | define "complete" | 06:30 |
| wasabi__ | transition to the stage that the emitted event caused them to set as a goal | 06:31 |
| wasabi__ | or fail. | 06:31 |
| Keybuk | right, so that doesn't require event chaining | 06:31 |
| Keybuk | e.g. if that job emits an event, then that's not part of the goal or "complete"-ness | 06:31 |
| wasabi__ | If I emit do-some-stuff, whcih causes a job to move from stop to start, do-some-stuff's result cannot be known until that job has finished entered started. | 06:31 |
| wasabi__ | During which, it might have issued it's own events, which it itself is waiting on. | 06:31 |
| Keybuk | yes, that's true | 06:31 |
| wasabi__ | So, it's a pretend call stack, managed with a main loop. | 06:32 |
| Keybuk | except you don't actually need the call stack | 06:32 |
| wasabi__ | Yeah. Never said you did. It just behaves as one. | 06:32 |
| wasabi__ | Which is interesting from an academic POV. :0 | 06:32 |
| Keybuk | the job is waiting on an event inside a process | 06:32 |
| wasabi__ | Well, for instance, if a job transitions from STOPPED to STARTING, upstart itself emits job-name starting | 06:33 |
| wasabi__ | The results of which could fail. | 06:33 |
| wasabi__ | And should prevent the job from continuing. | 06:33 |
| Keybuk | should it, why? | 06:33 |
| Keybuk | I don't think it should | 06:34 |
| wasabi__ | Really? | 06:34 |
| wasabi__ | Because being able to write a new job that effects the startup process of another job, is interesting. | 06:34 |
| Keybuk | yes, but it's possible by just adding "stop on event-failed job-started job-name" :) | 06:34 |
| wasabi__ | Lets you modify the first job without changing its file, resulting in easier management (upgrades to the job's package don't need to deal with changes to the job file) | 06:34 |
| wasabi__ | Hmm. | 06:34 |
| pepsiman | wasabi__: the word is "affects" | 06:34 |
| wasabi__ | Heh. | 06:35 |
| wasabi__ | I'd prefer to make it as unneccassary as possible for an admin who desires to attach conditionals to a job installed by a package, to edit that jobs file himself. Not required, but it seems a worthy goal. | 06:35 |
| wasabi__ | Easies package upgrades. | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | but then you have strange problems | 06:36 |
| wasabi__ | Well, upstart has or will have an api like thus: | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | where the author of some job never expects anything to handle its events | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | and something does | 06:36 |
| wasabi__ | evt = event_new("job-starting", job.name); wait for evt to exit | 06:36 |
| wasabi__ | Well. That's true. | 06:37 |
| wasabi__ | I suspect though the interference on the original job would be small, since you'd only be able to attach to built in events. | 06:37 |
| wasabi__ | And those would only be able to return success/fail, to abort or continue. Nothing that can modify the original job's state in any breaking way. | 06:38 |
| Keybuk | I just don't think that a job should be affected by other jobs unless it wants to be | 06:39 |
| Keybuk | the worst example I can think of is mount-filesystem ;) | 06:44 |
| wasabi__ | Heh. | 06:44 |
| Keybuk | you'd end up failing the entire system if a singel job that reacted to that event failed :p | 06:44 |
| wasabi__ | Oooh. | 06:45 |
| wasabi__ | Good point. | 06:45 |
| Keybuk | anyway, gonna go to sleep :) been up for 30H or so | 06:46 |
| Keybuk | nite | 06:46 |
| wasabi__ | wow nite | 06:46 |
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| johnnybuoy | hello! | 08:35 |
| johnnybuoy | can I get help for upstart in edgy here? | 08:35 |
| LarstiQ | what help would that be? | 08:37 |
| johnnybuoy | can I get ttys working, or is this a known bug? | 08:38 |
| LarstiQ | it sounds familiar, let me see if I can find anything | 08:39 |
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| johnnybuoy | /etc/default/console-properties is set properly, i think | 08:40 |
| LarstiQ | johnnybuoy: my ttys seem to be working fine in edgy fwiw, and I don't see anything relevant in my backlog | 08:41 |
| johnnybuoy | hmmm | 08:41 |
| johnnybuoy | many ppl in ubuntu+1 have this prob. | 08:41 |
| LarstiQ | johnnybuoy: you have startup-tasks and system-services installed? | 08:41 |
| johnnybuoy | LarstiQ, and no messages when booting without usplash | 08:42 |
| johnnybuoy | hmm | 08:42 |
| johnnybuoy | nope. | 08:42 |
| johnnybuoy | is it not a dep? | 08:42 |
| LarstiQ | johnnybuoy: I think the messages would be upstart-logd\ | 08:42 |
| LarstiQ | johnnybuoy: a Recommends | 08:42 |
| LarstiQ | johnnybuoy: could you try that and report if it works? | 08:42 |
| johnnybuoy | LarstiQ, upstart-logd is installed | 08:44 |
| johnnybuoy | LarstiQ, ok | 08:44 |
| johnnybuoy | what if my pc doesn't boot? | 08:45 |
| johnnybuoy | hmm? | 08:45 |
| LarstiQ | I doubt that will happen | 08:45 |
| johnnybuoy | I have those packages | 08:45 |
| johnnybuoy | both | 08:45 |
| johnnybuoy | all three ;) | 08:46 |
| LarstiQ | I'm out of ideas then | 08:46 |
| johnnybuoy | hmm | 08:46 |
| johnnybuoy | :( | 08:46 |
| johnnybuoy | it's scary, cause what if X fails me? | 08:46 |
| johnnybuoy | i don't even know how to control upstart :( | 08:46 |
| johnnybuoy | does it have anything to do with | 08:47 |
| johnnybuoy | /etc/event.d/tty* files? | 08:47 |
| LarstiQ | you could install sysvinit for the time being, if that makes you feel safer | 08:48 |
| johnnybuoy | cat /var/log/messages |grep tty gives me only one tty... | 08:48 |
| johnnybuoy | ttyS1 | 08:49 |
| johnnybuoy | what is LSR safety check? | 08:49 |
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| LarstiQ | johnnybuoy: see /var/log/boot | 08:51 |
| LarstiQ | johnnybuoy: what I've personally also done is remove quiet and splash from the kernel arguments | 08:51 |
| johnnybuoy | LarstiQ, I tried that, but now splash works fine, do you think that splash is responsible for me not having ttys? | 08:53 |
| LarstiQ | johnnybuoy: it does do nasty things with your console, yes | 08:53 |
| johnnybuoy | hmm | 08:54 |
| johnnybuoy | ok | 08:54 |
| johnnybuoy | I'll try with splash disabled | 08:54 |
| johnnybuoy | brb | 08:55 |
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| johnnybuoy | hmm :) | 09:01 |
| johnnybuoy | usplash *does* do strange things with the console :( | 09:01 |
| mjg59 | What sort of strange things, and what kernel arguments are you using? | 09:05 |
| johnnybuoy | vga=791 splash = silent and quiet are the relevant kernel arguments, I guess | 09:06 |
| mjg59 | Lose vga= | 09:07 |
| johnnybuoy | really? | 09:07 |
| mjg59 | Yes | 09:07 |
| johnnybuoy | ok, brb :) | 09:07 |
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| johnnybuoy | whoyesss!!! | 09:14 |
| johnnybuoy | thanks! removing vga=* kernel param I get usplash and tty... | 09:15 |
| johnnybuoy | :) | 09:15 |
| === johnnybuoy very happy | ||
| johnnybuoy | THX | 09:15 |
| dippie | hello | 09:59 |
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