imbrandonyea it was kinda interesting12:13
imbrandonahh just read the mail on u-devel12:15
imbrandonits a psudo freeze left upto the developer for now about things needed only critical for beta12:15
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imbrandonOther low-risk bugfix-only uploads are still OK for now, but expect uploads12:16
imbrandonto start requiring approval very soon.12:16
imbrandon^^ tagged at the end heheh12:17
imbrandonheh i wish ubuntu-devel wasent full of so much junk i would read it more, but most of the time the thread turn into long rambling things hard to follow12:18
Hobbseetrue that12:20
Hobbseei want a button that says "dont email me about the rest of this subject"12:20
imbrandonhahaha how true12:20
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DaSkreechOne of his TODO was something brought up in the meeting12:23
DaSkreechWell I'm off night a12:38
gnomefreakHobbsee: make it (all of 10 mins) add it to the depends of ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop so on when you use echo make sure it says Hobbsee said "dont email me about the rest of this subject" :)12:54
Hobbseegnomefreak: hmmm?12:55
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gnomefreakjust a reminder button :)12:56
abattoirRiddell: yes i did, havent heard from him yet though01:01
Riddellabattoir: well he'll be sleeping, but good to get it in tomorrow01:02
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nixternalhiya Hobbsee!01:02
Hobbseehey nixternal 01:02
nixternaljust noticed ya was hangin' out01:03
Hobbseegnomefreak: explain to that to me when i get back :P01:03
Hobbseeactually, i'm out01:03
Hobbseemy battery's about to die01:03
abattoirRiddell: i sent it around 5 hrs. ago, and he seems to have been online(active) after that, but still :)01:03
nixternallater Hobbsee01:03
abattoirhi nixternal, Hobbsee :)01:03
nixternalhiya abattoir!01:03
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nixternaldinner sounds good01:03
nixternalher battery just died ;)01:03
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jdongstartkeylogger :P02:29
jdong(you can tell jdong has just taken his pain medication when.......)02:30
Jucato_jdong: any news on flash?02:30
jdongJucato_: I haven't been able to ping infinity yet02:31
jdongeven the candles-and-circles routine didn't work02:31
jdongbut it MIGHT be something about the 5 fricking Openoffice builds that are holding things up :P02:31
Jucato_hm... maybe you didn't ping long enough? after all he is infinite :P02:31
Jucato_oh well, goog thing I don't need to use sites w/ flash that much :)02:32
jdongJucato_: does your flash not work??02:32
jdongJucato_: install the edgy package02:32
jdongit should be binary-compatible with dapper02:33
Jucato_hm... ok. just download it from p.u.c?02:33
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jdongJucato_: yep02:34
Jucato_and I'll just remove it when the fixed update is available?02:35
jdongJucato_: you can if you want, it's not harmful to have it. it'll be binary-identical to the backported package02:35
Jucato_ah ok. thanks! :)02:36
jdongJucato_: flash is flash is flash.... the package is nothing more than a fancy version of wget and tar -xzvf :)02:36
Jucato_heh, well, I try not to deal with .tar.gz if I can :P02:36
Jucato_yay working now. thanks! :P02:40
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crimsunfabo: hobbsee was subbed, and I presumed she'd have a better idea regarding whether the dh_iconcache(1) delta had been subsumed (I didn't have time atm to grab the new source package to check)02:45
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Riddelljjesse: is the switching guide good to include?03:45
Riddellnixternal: ^^03:52
jjesseRiddell: no i isn't03:54
jjesseRiddell: sorry was walkin the dog03:54
Riddelljjesse: it didn't get finished?03:54
Riddellhmm, doesn't validate03:54
jjesseRiddell: not for kubuntu, it is finished for ubuntu03:55
jjessesorry it seems the docs are the best this release for sme reason :(03:55
jjessenot only for kubuntu but also ubuntu03:56
jjesseand i don't know why, too short of schedule?, not enough interest? focus elsewhere?  don't really understand why this time03:58
jjessebut swiching guide is first and foremost for kubuntu, its started and will be finished04:01
Riddelljjesse: any idea how to update the .pot files in the docs?04:01
jjesseRiddell: no, but i can check04:02
Riddelljjesse: will be finished by not for edgy?04:02
jjesseedgy +104:02
jjesseRiddell: are you paying attetion to #ubuntu-docs?04:06
Riddelljjesse: docs uploaded, please apply this to the svn archive http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-docs.diff04:26
nixternalRiddell: i did the kubuntu .pot files earlier today04:27
nixternaljjesse: are you applying that patch?  or shall i?04:30
jjessenixternal: can you, i'm busy right now trying to finish the updated chapter04:30
nixternalwill do04:30
imbrandongnight nixternal , Riddell , Jucato , and *05:13
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Jucatonight imbrandon!!! :)05:13
nixternali gotta go to05:13
nixternalheading to canada in like 6 hours05:13
nixternali thought she was in wv05:13
imbrandonthought you might be going to visit her05:13
nixternalheh, she comes here bud05:13
imbrandoni thought ca05:13
imbrandondunno i dont talk to her much05:14
nixternali have no clue..i am a best man in a wedding05:14
imbrandonanyway, gnight05:14
Jucatoif cutiecoder becomes a developer, Hobbsee's gonna have some competition :P05:14
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imbrandonJucato: she never will, not enough disipline05:14
Jucatoheh. it would be fun to watch though. Hobbsee's whip vs. cutiecoder's guns :P05:15
nixternalya right  ;005:15
nixternaldamn shift button05:15
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fabocrimsun: do you know if dh_iconcache will be introduced in debian ?08:38
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crimsunfabo: Last I know it's under discussion09:24
fabocrimsun: there's many package now that use dh_iconcache, and it's difficult to sync "as is" debian package while dh_iconcache isn't available09:41
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crimsununfortunately the prerogative isn't Kubuntu's10:17
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JucatoHobbsee! :)11:32
Hobbseehey Jucato 11:34
faboHobbsee: could you re-confirm 61845 and 61847. scott james remnant prefers new bug reports than re-opening11:36
Hobbseebug 6184511:36
UbugtuMalone bug 61845 in icecc "Please sync icecc 0.7.14 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6184511:36
Hobbseebug 6184711:36
UbugtuMalone bug 61847 in clucene-core "Please sync clucene-core (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6184711:36
Hobbseefabo: done11:40
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Jucatohi Tonio_11:44
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faboHobbsee: thanks11:50
Hobbseefabo: :)11:51
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faboakademy time ;)11:51
fabosee you later11:51
Hobbseehave fun!11:51
Jucatogood luck aKademy guys!11:51
fabohehe :)11:51
Jucatohave fun (but not too much) :P11:52
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Jucatoheh.. if only there were live video feeds for the aKademy... I'm gonna be glued to my chair...11:52
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Hobbseeyeah, well, i wouldnt mind...11:58
Hobbseeyou do not exploit your employees by asking them to work at a particular time, waiting until they say yes, and then go "oh, you're working in another section entirely"11:59
Hobbseeie, gotcha11:59
Hobbseetha'ts not what i agreed to do - and she doesnt accept the word "no"11:59
Hobbsee*wonders where this duty manager position is*12:00
Hobbseebugger, bet it's in grocery.  *grumbles*12:01
Jucatoso you're still at work?12:01
Hobbseeno, i dont have a net connection at work12:02
Hobbseewish i did12:02
Hobbseei was out doing fun things today12:03
Hobbseetherefore not being online12:05
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Hobbseeer, s/bilo/do not answer/12:05
Hobbseei'm not telling :P12:05
Hobbseeoh....sucky, i cant work where i want to work12:08
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Hobbseebefore i go nuts, and/or injure myself too badly12:09
Jucatoare we talking about work-work or work-kubuntu?12:09
Hobbseework work12:09
Hobbseei like kubuntu stuff :)12:09
Jucatospecially when your X goes bonkers on you12:09
Hobbseehah, yeah12:10
Hobbseestill havent booted to that kernel again yet12:10
Jucato2.6.17-28 was it?12:10
HobbseeSysinfo for 'LongPointyStickOfDoom': Linux 2.6.17-7-generic running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: MobileIntel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.40GHz at 2394 MHz (4793 bogomips), , RAM: 932/994MB, 102 proc's, 42.33min up12:10
Hobbsee2.6.17-8-generic broke on me12:10
Jucatoah -8...12:10
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Jucatohm.. haven't booted into it yet on the "real" Edgy. but virtual Edgy seems fine12:11
insanekaneHobbsee: long pointy stick of doom ? :)12:12
Hobbseeinsanekane: yep :)12:12
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HobbseeJucato: what's the story with kopete in dapper?  it's got 0.12.2?12:18
Jucatostill not there12:19
Jucatosame with Konversation12:19
Jucatoonly k3b made it to backports so far12:19
HobbseeJucato: darn, okay12:21
Jucatohi kwwii_!!12:21
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kwwii_hi Jucato12:22
kwwii_hi Hobbsee12:22
Hobbseehey kwwii_ :)12:22
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kwwii_is Riddell already off to akademy?01:25
Tonio_kwwii_: http://www.sabayonlinux.org/01:27
Tonio_kwwii_: the interesting point is that they seem to use compiz, but the window decorator looks like kwin...01:28
Tonio_strange...... I wonder how they have done that01:28
Riddellkwwii_: nope01:28
Tonio_hi Riddell01:28
Riddellhi Tonio_ 01:28
kwwii_hi Riddell01:28
kwwii_Tonio_: neat marketing there01:28
kwwii_eggs, wine, and GNU/Linux01:29
Tonio_kwwii_: hehe yes ;)01:29
Tonio_kwwii_: the point is that the compiz window decorator is not supposed to be themable01:29
Tonio_that's the strage issue......; I will investigate, since if they have done a kind of binding for kwin themes, that could be VERY interesting01:30
kwwii_Tonio_: ahhhh, didn't know that01:30
Tonio_kwwii_: yes, that's the major issue with compiz, you cannot theme the window decorator, but they are doing it....01:30
Tonio_kwwii_: if you look at kde based distros with compiz, they all have the same window deco, except this one....... 01:31
Tonio_they have a live cd, I'm downloading01:31
kwwii_it'll be llike 5 more years till I have a computer with a graphics card that supports that01:31
Tonio_kwwii_: just buy a pc ;)01:31
Tonio_kwwii_: compiz works nicelly on a low price laptop01:32
Tonio_kwwii_: it doesn't need a powerfull machine01:32
Tonio_Riddell: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=735&slide=10&title=sabayonlinux+3.0+screenshots01:33
Tonio_Riddell: interesting no ? it is the first time I can see a compiz using kwin themes......01:33
Riddellthat looks like the vista window manager theme01:35
RiddellI don't see anything to suggest it's kwin01:35
kwwii_hehe, they are using the kdm theme I made for suse01:36
kwwii_I seee that again and again01:36
Tonio_Riddell: afaik compiz is not themable.......01:36
Tonio_Riddell: am I wrong ?01:36
Tonio_hum yes I'm wrong, it can use gnome themes....... so you're right.... should be that......01:37
Hobbseeooh, people01:40
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Tonio_Hobbsee: hey ;)01:44
Hobbseeheya Tonio_ 01:44
=== Hobbsee spoke with one of the forums guys today.
Tonio_Riddell: it looks like mdz doesn't want of the new scribus. the reason is that it is more a feature release and there are no mentions to bug resolved, which makes sense...01:45
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RiddellTonio_: fair enough I guess01:49
Riddellimbrandon: how did you get on with koffice?01:52
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zorglu_q. im trying to narrow down the reason of why kded eat 100% cpu on my box, it keep reading on a socket, socket:[18751]  according to /proc, how can i convert socket:[18751]  to a more readable format ?02:46
imbrandonRiddell: hi02:55
imbrandonRiddell: i never could get past the autoconf thing, i tried it on my amd64 too as you sugested02:56
imbrandonbut still same thing02:56
imbrandonmake -f Makefile.cvs ( admin/cvs.sh ) cont find autoconf2.6 even with the patch, i manualy checked the file etc02:56
imbrandonthus no ./configure script, thus i couldent get it to build02:57
Riddellimbrandon: it doesn't need the patch, you're going mad :)03:00
Tonio_imbrandon: tried "fakeroot debian/rules buildprep" ?03:00
Tonio_ah autoconf issue.......03:01
Tonio_imbrandon: can I look at yout source package ?03:01
Tonio_imbrandon: I have time to check today03:01
Tonio_imbrandon: ping ?03:03
imbrandonRiddell: yea i know it doesent what i'm getting at is with or without it 03:03
imbrandonit still dident like autoconf 2.603:03
ubotuping: connection timeout03:04
imbrandonTonio_: yea Riddell has the tarball 03:04
imbrandonTonio_: pong03:04
imbrandonheya Hobbsee 03:04
Tonio_Riddell: url please ?03:04
Tonio_Riddell: svn koffice or latest available tarball ?03:04
imbrandonneither afaik an unavail tarbal03:05
Riddellbut that's top secret03:05
Tonio_Riddell: sure03:06
Tonio_Riddell: I'm trying a package :)03:06
imbrandonbrandon@horatio:~/devel/koffice/koffice-1.5.92$ make -f Makefile.cvs03:06
imbrandonThis Makefile is only for the CVS repository03:06
imbrandonThis will be deleted before making the distribution03:06
imbrandon./admin/cvs.sh: 653: --version: not found03:06
imbrandon*** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!.03:06
imbrandon*** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer03:06
imbrandonmake[1] : *** [cvs]  Error 103:06
imbrandonmake: *** [all]  Error 203:06
imbrandondident mean to paste in here, but thats the error03:06
Tonio_imbrandon: the patch isn't appylied......03:06
imbrandonand YES i have autoconf installed03:06
imbrandonTonio_: it shouldent need it03:06
imbrandonTonio_: it has the new admin/03:07
Tonio_imbrandon: cvs.sh refers to autoconf 2.6 ?03:07
Tonio_imbrandon: ah.........03:07
Tonio_very strange.......;03:07
Tonio_okay I'll have a look03:07
Tonio_imbrandon: any specific problems with patches we already have ? just earn time packaging03:08
imbrandonthere were 2 in debian/patches/common that dident apply but the rest are ok03:09
Tonio_imbrandon: great, thanks03:09
imbrandon( using the debain dir from kubuntu.org from 1.6 beta 1 )03:09
Tonio_imbrandon: okay thanks for the info03:10
Tonio_imbrandon: used pbuilder ?03:17
Tonio_cause if you built it locally, you probably should have done a "export autoconf=autoconf"03:18
Tonio_sometimes I get issues if I don't do that before a debuild03:18
Tonio_but if it's pbuilder it should be okay03:19
Tonio_imbrandon: okay I'm building, will let you know03:19
Tonio_imbrandon: the first point is that ALL patches are applyed here.......;03:26
Tonio_imbrandon: did you touch the source somehow ?03:26
Tonio_imbrandon: weird.......03:26
Tonio_imbrandon: I don't have any issue with any patch03:26
imbrandonok then i was thinking of something else03:27
imbrandoni have built alot of packages the last days03:27
Tonio_imbrandon: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/1303:27
imbrandonpoint is did the configure script get generated ?03:27
Tonio_imbrandon: the build is slow :) will tell you in a minute03:27
Tonio_imbrandon: one thing is sure : fakeroot debian/rules buildprep works......03:28
Tonio_imbrandon: so the build should work too03:28
Tonio_imbrandon: works.........03:28
Tonio_sorry ;)03:28
imbrandonsorry ? heh03:29
Tonio_sorry to tell you that I can't reproduce your issue ;)03:29
Tonio_I would have prefer to reproduce and correct that with you, that's the point03:30
imbrandonno worries, i'm starting with a freash build now .....03:30
Tonio_imbrandon: maybe recreate your pbuilder....... I don't know03:30
imbrandonits was BEFORE i even got into pbuilder03:31
Tonio_imbrandon: well if it works here, better not waste your time, I'll send the packages to Riddell03:31
imbrandonTonio_: for all 3 arches on all dapper and edgy ?03:31
Tonio_imbrandon: hehe, no, point :)03:31
Tonio_imbrandon: isn't there a build system for this ?03:32
imbrandonhehe if it builds for you fine i'll make the rest03:32
Tonio_imbrandon: you mean all kubuntu packages are done manually ?????????03:32
imbrandonthe ones for kubuntu.org are 03:32
Tonio_imbrandon: ah....... configure not found :)03:32
imbrandonyea ......03:33
Tonio_imbrandon: okay I see, what we have to do is a buildprep03:33
Tonio_did you do that ?03:33
imbrandonok now NOT in pbuilder run03:33
imbrandonmake -f Makefile.cvs03:33
imbrandonthats what makes the configure script03:33
Tonio_imbrandon: nope I'm running buildprep instead03:33
Tonio_better since it applies patches before generating files03:33
RiddellI'm sure I've already said this :)03:34
Tonio_Riddell: yes, and you're right :) it works very nicelly :)03:34
Tonio_Riddell: you give the lesson, I only repeat :)03:34
Tonio_imbrandon: try ""fakeroot debian/rules buildprep"03:34
imbrandonyea i applied the pacthes and tried it that way too03:34
RiddellTonio_: pst, "make -f"03:35
imbrandoni did that yesterday .....03:35
Tonio_Riddell: you mean ?03:35
imbrandonmake -f debian/rules buildprep .......03:35
Tonio_Riddell: hum what is the difference ? works nicelly the way O do too :)03:35
Riddellwith fakeroot :)03:35
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imbrandonerr yea dots at the wrong end03:36
RiddellTonio_: needs debian/rules to be executable and the #! line to be there03:36
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Tonio_Riddell: well it looks like it is already there since it works :)03:36
Tonio_Riddell: but okay, your solution is more generic03:36
Tonio_yop bddebian03:37
bddebianHi Tonio_03:37
Tonio_I'm getting mad with vbuilletin upgrade......... templates are a pain to get sync03:37
Tonio_and pureftpd definitly sucks.......03:38
imbrandonok either way buildprep is not likeing my autoconf either03:38
Tonio_imbrandon: hum, try this : "export autoconf=autoconf && fakeroot make -f debian/rules buildprep"03:39
Tonio_maybe that'll work03:39
imbrandonno change03:39
Tonio_I sometimes get issues with $autoconf undefined......03:39
Tonio_imbrandon: grmpf, that sucks.......03:39
Tonio_very strange03:39
abattoirRiddell: hi, just FYI, Kamion has uploaded oem-config-1.4, i'll test tomorrow's build.03:40
Riddellabattoir: saw that, great stuff03:40
Jucatowow abattoir's alive...03:41
Tonio_Riddell: once build is over do you want the files ? I assume yes....03:41
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abattoirJucato: passively03:41
imbrandonTonio_ / Riddell : http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/1503:42
Tonio_imbrandon: HEY, DON'T USE MY WEBSERVER !!!!!!!!! ^_^03:42
Tonio_hehe :)03:43
Tonio_imbrandon: hum, I must say I don't understand......03:43
imbrandonlook at the bottom , the last 2 commands03:43
imbrandonand i JUST untared it again to make sure all was clean03:44
Tonio_imbrandon: can you paste $autoconf --version03:45
Tonio_imbrandon: looks like a local issue, but that's, I must say, very bizarre :)03:45
fdovingTonio_: your eaccellerator link is broken, nice page :] 03:45
imbrandonTonio_: i only have one autoconf installed03:45
Tonio_fdoving: ah ? thanks for the info :)03:45
imbrandonand that is at the bottom of that paste03:46
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danimokwwii_: nice work!03:46
imbrandonello danimo 03:46
danimohi imbrandon03:46
Riddellimbrandon: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/koffice_1.5.92.orig.tar.gz being uploaded (8 mins to go)03:47
imbrandonRiddell: kk03:48
Tonio_fdoving: the link is correct now03:48
imbrandonrm -rf *03:48
Tonio_imbrandon: wanna test my package ? configure runs, so it should be okay03:48
imbrandoni'll grab the new tarbal from Riddell and try it first03:49
imbrandonthen we'll go that way03:49
jdongHobbsee: you rang?03:49
Hobbseejdong: yeah, status of kopete in dapper backports, if the bug got fixed03:50
jdongHobbsee: will check up on that03:50
danimoedgy looks very nice now03:50
Hobbseecool :)03:50
jdongJucato: flash should be fixed, the build went through at least03:51
danimoI'd like to get a working usb key hotplug back :)03:51
danimokde reacts on the hal event03:51
danimobut doesn't actually mount anything, and errors out03:51
Jucatojdong: ok I'll try it out03:52
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imbrandonRiddell: you headed to dublin today ?03:56
Jucatojdong: of course it hasn't hit dapper-backports yet, has it?03:57
jdongJucato: it should have? :)03:57
Jucatohm.. I'll try connecting directly to archive.ubuntu.com...03:57
Jucatocoz it's not working here...03:57
jdongit might still be a bit before it shows up on archive03:58
jdongI just noticed that it passed through buildd03:58
Jucatojdong: ah... that was what I was asking heheh... what's the package name so I could check?03:58
Jucatojdong: I mean the version? (7.0.68~ubuntu1~dapper1 is the one that's not working, right?)03:59
jdongubuntu2~dapper1 is working03:59
Jucatoah ok. I'll check it once in a while to see if it's there already :P04:00
imbrandonRiddell: tar uploaded all the way? i'm a grab it , hope so 04:05
Riddellimbrandon: yes04:07
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Tonio_Riddell: shoudn't we plan a new kubuntu-meeting ?04:26
Hobbseecould be a plan04:27
Hobbseewhat are we saying?04:27
imbrandonthat the sky is yellow and the grass is purple .... ;)04:28
Hobbseewoo :)04:28
Hobbseeyellow sky would be cool04:28
imbrandonpurple grass would be too04:29
crimsunplease, we don't want a gnome-ish colour scheme04:29
imbrandonheh i might gimp someting up why koffice compiles04:29
Tonio_next week would be good to get beta feedback04:29
imbrandoncrimsun: hahaha04:29
imbrandonpurple and yeallow are gnomish ?04:29
imbrandonnext thurs at 2100 UTC ? any objections ?04:30
crimsunno, it was a side-long shot at the slightly garish colours04:30
imbrandonRiddell Tonio_ Hobbsee  ^^^04:30
HobbseeJucato: wont like it04:30
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Tonio_imbrandon: perfect for me04:31
imbrandoncrimsun: ahhh hehe04:31
Hobbseeer, can you revisit this tomorrow?  i'll have gotten shifts for work by then, so will know what's going on04:31
Tonio_imbrandon: although tuesday would be better in my view04:31
Jucatowhat won't I like? yellow? purple? :P04:31
imbrandonHobbsee: ok we'll "tentively" plan it for then pending your schedules from work04:31
imbrandonsound good ?04:32
Hobbseei'm thinking of saying "push it later"04:32
Hobbseealso, jjesse will probably want to come too04:32
Hobbsee(seeing as i'm not at uni next week, i dont have such a tight schedule)04:32
imbrandonwell later would put Riddell at the wee hours of the morning04:33
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Hobbseewe'll find something04:34
JucatoHobbsee: I could probably get up that early again, no biggie (I'm not that important :P )04:34
Hobbseesure you are04:35
Jucatowell, at least not YET :P04:35
Jucato*evil laugh*04:35
imbrandonRiddell: btw that tar worked perfect for me this time, its building now on 2 machines to test ( i386 and amd64 edgy on both ) if it builds fine i'll start all the other builds04:36
imbrandonRiddell: you said something about it might not build on ppc ?04:36
HobbseeJucato: hey now, i'm the one taking over the world :P04:37
Hobbseeimbrandon: due to ruby?04:37
imbrandonHobbsee: that only affects 64bit ppc afaik 04:37
imbrandonnot sure04:37
Jucatook... I'm satisfied with one continent, just not Australia :P04:37
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JucatoI bet you'd claim wherever the largest mt.dew factory is located :P04:38
imbrandongah well i thought i was perfect04:38
imbrandonman i'm going mad over this04:39
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MezRiddell: ping04:43
imbrandonheya Mez 04:43
Mezimbrandon, get main upload yet ?04:44
Hobbseehi Mez 04:44
imbrandonMez: yupers04:44
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Hobbseehe did, he's very important now04:44
imbrandonHobbsee: not anymore than before ;( i just can break alot more systems04:45
Hobbseesure you ar04:45
crimsunstop breaking stuff in main!04:45
JucatoHobbsee: first time I heard you called by your first name :P04:45
Mezimbrandon: do you reckon it might be possible for you to put thourgh a UVF request for katapult04:46
imbrandonJucato: she is every once ina  while ;)04:46
Jucatoheh :)04:46
HobbseeJucato: Mez likes doing that.04:46
imbrandonMez: i can try, got a changelog for me04:46
Jucatoit's nice to hear it once in a while :P04:46
crimsunbeta freeze was yesterday...04:46
imbrandonyea it has to be important for beta04:46
Mezimbrandon: it's pretty much stuff thats in as patches in the ubuntu04:46
imbrandonahh hrm, well they are only wanting uploads atm to fix broken stuff for the beta atm04:47
imbrandonso if it can wait , it would probably be better to04:47
imbrandonbut if not we can try04:48
Mezimbrandon, you on edgy now ?04:48
Mezcan you do me a favour- y ou running katapult ?04:49
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imbrandonsure and yes04:49
=== Jucato feels the katapult-amarok bug coming up...
MezJucato, no04:51
Mezimbrandon, type a few letters for a program04:51
Jucatoheh... :)04:51
Mezthen hit backspace04:51
Mezhow many chars does it delete ?04:51
imbrandonhaha 204:51
imbrandon2 at a time04:51
Hobbsee 204:51
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Hobbseeoh, so *that's* why my backspace never works the way i thought04:51
MezIt appeared for some reason ...04:51
Mezimbrandon, can you download the latest bzr version and check if that does the same ?04:51
imbrandonMez: yea but it will be a while before i have the cpu cycles to compile it, koffice is curning away atm04:52
Mezimbrandon - how about I poke you a deb over ?04:52
imbrandonMez: that would be perfect04:53
imbrandoni'm on my i386 box atm04:53
Riddellhi Mez 04:53
Jucatonice... 2 characters at a time... :P04:53
Riddellimbrandon: no ruby on ppc edgy so it won't build there04:53
MezRiddell: have you any idea where that bug came from ? the first time I saw it was on your lappy04:54
imbrandonok i'll just do the amd64 and i386 on dapper/edgy then, well do the ppc ones later04:54
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Riddellimbrandon: make sure all the files are installed before you start on dapper04:54
RiddellMez: what bug?04:55
imbrandonRiddell: start katapult , type kate and then backspace04:55
MezRiddell: double bakspace in katapult04:55
imbrandondeletes 2 chars at a time04:55
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RiddellMez: I've no idea where it came from no04:56
MezRiddell: I blame you for it - lol :D04:57
Mezimbrandon, get that ?04:58
imbrandongrabbing it now04:58
Tonio_imbrandon: my build failed........ no left space on device, after one hour :'(05:00
imbrandonMez: still fails ( and doesnt have the new colors heheh )05:01
imbrandonerr doublebackspaces05:01
gnomefreakTonio_: you mean not all devels have 600 gig harddrives :)05:02
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Mezimbrandon: noone sent me the patch for the new colours ;)05:02
Tonio_gnomefreak: not on my laptop unfortunately ;)05:02
imbrandonMez: ahhh 05:02
imbrandonTonio_: i have a build going now, we'll see how it gos05:03
Tonio_imbrandon: great05:03
imbrandoni have 2 gig ram 2 gig swap and a 160+ gig hdd, i better not run outa space ;)05:03
imbrandon( on this box )05:03
imbrandonRiddell: is there a way to tell if all the files are install AFTER the deb is built ?05:07
Riddelldh_install --list-missing05:07
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Riddellyou're not using pbuilder are you?05:07
imbrandonRiddell: i am for this build, should i not be ?05:07
Riddellyou won't be able to do anything if it goes wrong05:08
Riddellchanges are there's some new file that has been added, or one removed05:08
imbrandonahh shiznit, right , ok /me stops it05:08
Riddellbuilt it in a chroot first on 1 platform, fix any problems then do the final thing in a pbuilder if you want to be sure05:08
imbrandonright ... i wasent thinking05:09
imbrandonno biggie it wasent too far05:09
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imbrandonwoot finaly to the gcc compiling part heh, now we're getting somewhere05:28
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imbrandoni figured out the configure problem too i think, not sure , but i dident have automake1.9 installed05:29
imbrandonanyhow its /actualy/ building now, e.g gcc/g++ is churning .... so now to grab a bit to eat and wait05:30
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MezRiddell: ping05:33
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Riddellalthough in British English it's called Table Tennis05:33
abattoirheh :P05:34
MezRiddell: ok, with bug 60136, I'm working on a fix - but checking the version number is a huge PITA05:34
UbugtuMalone bug 60136 in katapult "Katapult doesn't work with Amarok >= 1.4.2" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6013605:34
MezRiddell: should I just assume they have the latest version of katapult ?05:34
RiddellMez: sure, we just can't backport it then05:34
MezRiddell: hmm... true05:35
imbrandonRiddell: sure we can becosue if they have -backports enabled then they ahve the new amarok tooo05:36
Mezbut check a string >=1.4.2 (which could include SVN versions) is a large PITA05:36
MezRiddell: plus we're going to get people moaning about it on other systems than ubuntu05:36
MezRiddell: know any easy way to check the version number (which we can easily get as a qstring) is better05:36
Riddellimbrandon wins, just ignore people using old amarok05:36
Mezactually... wouldnt string comparison work ?05:37
Riddellamarok --version05:37
imbrandonis there a dcop way to get the version ?05:37
Mezdcop amarok player version05:38
Mezwill return the version05:39
Mezbut comparison check against it ....05:39
Mezimbrandon, can you do this please05:39
Mezdcop amarok collection query "select count(*) from admin where noption 05:39
Mez<maxx_k> = 'Database Devices Version'"05:39
imbrandonbrandon@horatio:~$ dcop amarok collection query "select count(*) from admin where noption <maxx_k> = 'Database Devices Version'"05:40
imbrandonreturns nothing05:40
Mezimbrandon, whoops05:40
Mezdcop amarok collection query "select count(*) from admin where noption = 'Database Devices Version'"05:40
imbrandonreturns 105:41
Mezthat means you're using a dynamic collection05:41
imbrandonhehe ok05:42
imbrandonforgive me for being ignorant , i ahvent looked at a single line of katapult code but when you send the url cant you "dcop amarok player version" and do a if/else for amarok >=1.4.2 and still keep the old way for the other ?05:44
imbrandonMez: ^^05:44
imbrandoni mean worst case convert the string to a int or someting easy to compare05:45
Mez1.4.2 = ! int05:45
Mezimbrandon : I'm planning on keeping the old way05:45
imbrandonokies ;)05:45
Mezdcop amarok collection query "select count(*) from admin where noption = 'Database Devices Version'"05:45
Tonio_imbrandon: how is the build going this time ?05:45
Mezreturns 1 for >=1.4.2 0 for <1.4.205:46
imbrandonTonio_: looks like its gonna work this time05:46
Tonio_imbrandon: great05:46
imbrandonTonio_: still building obviously ;)05:46
Tonio_same for me......05:46
Tonio_imbrandon: shouldn't we build from the same source package ?05:46
imbrandonTonio_: i'm building from Riddell's and plan to do all the required ones for kubuntu.org once i make sure all the files are installed05:47
imbrandonsoo yea its the same sources05:47
Tonio_imbrandon: no need that I finish the build then ?05:47
imbrandonTonio_: nope , not unless you just want to05:47
Tonio_imbrandon: no ;)05:47
Jucatog'night abattoir, Hawkwind, imbrandon, Riddell, Tonio_05:48
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imbrandonTonio_: ;)05:48
Tonio_imbrandon: hehe05:48
imbrandonnixternal: i just know you want to go though my music collection and add all the album art ;) ( just teasin )05:50
nixternali already did mine05:51
nixternalit wasn't fun05:51
nixternali got to the point on some of them i just took the default ;)05:51
nixternalwas there a recent xorg update?05:52
nixternalwhen i rebooted, x didn't start up...no errors either, but i could alt+f1, get to cli, and then startx with no problem05:52
nixternaland now it looks like i am running 1600x1200, where as before 1600x1200 actually looked like 1280x102405:52
imbrandonsounds like that kernel issue hobbsee had, but you two are the only ones to have noticed it05:52
nixternalactually..the kernel upgrade hasn't been done yet05:53
nixternalthey were held back05:53
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imbrandonheh i run 1600x1200 all the time ;)05:54
imbrandonand still not big enough, i need a big screen monitor05:54
nixternali do too, or at least i thought i did05:54
nixternalthis is a 21" sony05:54
nixternali could still use more realestate05:55
imbrandonmine is a 20inch compaq something05:55
nixternalits a dually setup, the 2nd is a samsung syncmaster 955df05:55
nixternalwhich i would go right ahead and say was the best crt ever made05:55
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Mezimbrandon/Riddell: ping06:37
MezRiddell; once I've finished this patch for the katapult/amarok bug - will you push it to katapult ?06:37
Mezs/to katapult/to main/06:38
MezIt's a critical bugfix for edgy06:38
Mezbug 60136306:40
Mezbug 6013606:40
UbugtuMalone bug 60136 in katapult "Katapult doesn't work with Amarok >= 1.4.2" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6013606:40
Riddellfor some definition of critical :)06:40
MezRiddell .... huh ?06:41
imbrandonMez: pong06:41
imbrandonas long as Riddell says its cool yea06:42
imbrandongonna grab some food , bbiab06:42
imbrandonseaLne: woohoo , tell all the kde peeps hi ;)06:42
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imbrandonwow koffice does take a while, 2.5 hours later still chugging along07:52
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Riddellimbrandon: feel me pain :)08:06
imbrandonRiddell: hehehe08:10
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imbrandonwow Riddell i was just reading about icecream08:23
imbrandoncan that be used with packageing too ?08:23
imbrandonlooks cool becouse of the cross compile stuff, i can make my ppc laptop use the x86 machines 08:24
imbrandoneven though the ppc lappy is slow(er)08:24
Riddellimbrandon: it's hard to use, since setting make -j 5 in debian/rules will kill the buildds08:25
imbrandonahh right08:25
imbrandonsame problem with distcc08:25
imbrandoni seen some hacks to make hooks in pbuilder to dynamicly add it , but would probably run into the same problems08:26
imbrandonwoot looks like koffice is finishing up08:30
imbrandonits running the install scripts ;)08:31
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kwwiierm, in which package are the window buttons for kubuntu on dapper?08:39
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Riddellkwwii: same one, kwin-style-crystal08:39
Riddellit'll be a patch in debian/patches08:39
kwwiiRiddell: so what do I have to do to patch it?08:41
kwwiiI bet I have done this three times already and still do not remember08:42
Riddellkwwii: just get the edgy sources and debuil them08:42
kwwiiRiddell: killer, thanks08:44
Riddelldpkg-source -x *dsc  to unpack those08:45
kwwiiRiddell: actually, it seems that apt-get source does that for you already08:45
Riddellkwwii: if you're on dapper it'll get you the dapper sources08:45
Riddellbut yes, it'll run dpkg-source -x for you08:46
kwwiiRiddell: well, I just wanted to be able to put the new pics in the right dir and build it on dapper08:46
kwwiiand debuild fails at that patch08:47
kwwiiTrying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_01_branch.diff at level 0...1...2...failure.08:47
kwwiimake: *** [debian/stamp-patched]  Error 108:47
Riddellkwwii: try getting the edgy sources and compiling normally with your new images08:48
Riddelledgy should take the images and do the right thing, dapper needed manual compiling of the images08:48
danimokwwii: nice artwork. me likey!08:48
kwwiidanimo: cool, good to hear it!08:49
Riddellok, I'm off to ireland, see you there08:50
kwwiisee you tomorrow08:50
kwwiihave a safe trip08:50
danimobye Riddell08:50
danimokwwii: when is your flight?08:51
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kwwiitomorrow from frankfurt at 16:2008:51
kwwiidanimo: you won't be at akademy this year?08:51
danimokwwii: no, I have exams pending next week08:51
kwwii oh, tooo bad08:51
danimokwwii: the last one on friday08:52
danimokwwii: so all of akademy is spoiled08:52
kwwiiguess those are more important08:52
danimokwwii: I will be at the anniversary party in stuttgart though08:52
danimokwwii: yeah, me too, otherwise I wouldn't be sitting here ;)08:52
danimokwwii: waiting for friends to call that I was _supposed_ to meet tonight08:53
imbrandonkwwii: you just want this for your self ?08:58
imbrandon( the artwork )08:59
kwwiiimbrandon: I built it already08:59
kwwiiimbrandon: trying to get my laptop to look like edgy even though it is dapper08:59
imbrandonahh ok, i was gonna say i could make a dapper deb for ya ;)08:59
kwwiiso that I can show it to mark :-)08:59
imbrandonahh ;)08:59
imbrandon Riddell should have a edgy lappy there09:00
kwwiiyeah, but his laptop looks ugly09:00
imbrandonmake sure and use the pannel image ;)09:00
imbrandonand update your dapper to kde 3.5.4 ;)09:00
kwwiiyeah, I think mark will like that a lot09:00
kwwiikde 3.5.4 is running on it09:01
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imbrandoni showed you those screenshots dident i ?09:01
kwwiiI make my osx look like linux a lot09:02
imbrandonyea i did that too09:02
imbrandonat one time09:02
imbrandonbut i dident like it quite as much09:02
imbrandonseemed to "right" hehe09:03
imbrandoni had / have the xp theme down to where to honestly cant tell your on kde09:03
imbrandonexcept for the app names09:03
kwwiihehe, my problem is that I do not know XP at all09:04
imbrandoni mean pixle for pixle , windeco, menus , startbar etc09:04
kwwiiI actually like the idea of a bigger start menu button09:05
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two-faceanyone awake in here?09:27
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DaSkreechNow there is09:28
two-facekubuntu knot3 fails at boot time for me, right after the initrd gets unpacked09:28
DaSkreechInstalled or Live CD?09:30
imbrandontry with acpi=off as a kern option 09:32
imbrandonafk heading to the store09:32
two-faceacpi would cause such a mess?09:33
imbrandontwo-face: yup , it does on one of my hp's09:34
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two-faceanyone booted knot3 with nforce4 ?09:45
jdongnvidia mobos... *shudder*09:47
imbrandontwo-face: yea i have no problems with mine09:48
imbrandonjdong: what ?09:48
jdongimbrandon: I've had bad *nix luck with nforce chipsets09:48
jdongimbrandon: my nforce3 shuttle boots linux fine, but pukes on all BSD variants09:49
imbrandonjdong: i'm sorry, i've had great lick with them09:49
two-faceimbrandon: sata_nv driver09:49
jdongimbrandon: maybe it's shuttle's fault then... or the BIOS09:49
jdongACPI behaves erratically with non-modern linux kernels, too09:49
two-faceit is a shuttle09:50
imbrandonand i can assume you debuged them and submitted reports too ? 09:50
jdongimbrandon: who, me?09:50
imbrandonjdong: yes, you would be the one complaining ;)09:50
jdongI found the exact kernel panic tracebacks on freebsd mailing lists, and it's apparently fixed in 7-current09:51
imbrandonahh great , then whats the problem ?09:51
jdongimbrandon: 7-current is, umm, 7-current, not 6-stable :)09:51
imbrandonjdong: and ? just means it hasent been widely tested yet, you cant expect things to be out in 30 minutes ;)09:52
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jdongimbrandon: bottom line, I am not 100% inclined to worship nvidia mobos as linux friendly, unlike their GPU's09:52
jdongimbrandon: and from what I gather on lkml, nvidia wasn't too friendly with forcedeth and sata_nv's development09:52
imbrandonok , and bottom line was that earlier comment was in no way constructive09:52
jdongin fact, I don't think sata_nv will get NCQ support for that reason09:52
imbrandonhello gnuton 09:53
jdongoh great, imbrandon is forcing all of my comments to be constructive09:53
gnutonhellp imbrandon, jdong! 09:53
imbrandonjdong: no , but it helpes when someone is asking for help09:53
gnutonhello, soory :)09:53
imbrandoni'm not forcing anything09:53
jdong<mindcontrol> I LOVE THE NEW PANEL BACKGROUNDS </mindcontrol>09:53
jdong<mindcontrol> THEY LOOK EXTREMELY SEXY </mindcontrol>09:53
=== gnuton reboot edgy
jdonggnuton: what's up09:54
two-facewhat componant do I need to file a bug against?09:54
imbrandontwo-face: depends on the problem 09:54
Tonio_can someone confirm that bug : kopete crashes when clicking on a http link ?09:54
imbrandonwhats going on ?09:54
two-faceimbrandon: the one i described09:55
imbrandonand i asked did you try the acpi thing ?09:55
two-faceimbrandon: didn't work09:55
two-faceimbrandon: well, at least I could read the error this time09:55
jdongtwo-face: most likely it's gonna be against linux-source-2.6.1709:55
imbrandonwhats the error ?09:55
two-faceimbrandon: IRQ 10 disabled, but I coud see "[sata_nv] "09:56
two-facejdong: ok09:56
imbrandonok , but again what was the error09:56
two-facejdong: through launchpad?09:56
jdongtwo-face: you're gonna have to get a more descriptive error mesage first09:56
two-faceimbrandon: there was no real error message, only 4 lines of kernel output which I did not write down09:57
jdongtwo-face: you need to boot your kernel verbosely then09:57
two-facejdong: I'll try to reproduce09:57
two-facejdong: what parameter for this?09:57
imbrandontwo-face: ok write them down and file a bug against the kernel-source , thats the best you can hope for without more info09:58
jdongverbose maybe?09:58
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jdongnoquiet? ;)09:58
imbrandonyou take the quite off the kernel parms09:58
jdongcan you do that with gfxboot?09:58
jdongI didn't recall it exposing the cmdline09:58
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imbrandonyou hit f6 at the menu just like the onscreen options say09:59
fdovinghmm.. guidance mountconfig kcm module doesn't work.09:59
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jdongseems to boot fine here09:59
fdovingthe standalone 'mountconfig' program works though.09:59
jdongbut I have IDE hard drives09:59
two-faceok i'll try that10:01
Tonio_can someone please confirm bug 6193010:02
UbugtuMalone bug 61930 in kopete "Freeze when clicking a URL." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6193010:02
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jdonggrr, that requires me to go into kde and kopete10:03
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jdongnow, all I need is a url... via kopete10:04
jdonganyone want to gmail-prod me or something?10:04
Tonio_jdong: anthony.mercatante@jabber.fr10:04
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imbrandongmail == jabber silly10:05
Tonio_gmail and jabber are compatible aren't they ?10:05
jdongTonio_: same protocol , idfferent network , I thought10:05
jdongnvm, got one10:05
jdongall I have to do is talk to myself :)10:05
Tonio_jdong I think the networks are linked now10:05
Tonio_a few month ago :)10:05
jdongTonio_: works10:06
jdongopened up in my browser just fine10:06
imbrandonworks fine here too10:06
Tonio_okay let's talk to me somehow :)10:06
Tonio_very strange10:06
Tonio_edgy up to date ?10:06
Tonio_okay so I assume my profile has an issue10:06
Tonio_it is not kopete config since I already removed it10:07
jdongusing up to date edgy10:07
jdongand you are offline apparently10:07
Tonio_okay so that's local issue........ I should have wait before reporting10:07
Tonio_jdong my kopete just crashed, hehe10:07
Tonio_okay now I see you10:08
Tonio_I didn't restart since this morning's kdebase update.......; maybe that can explain10:08
Tonio_let's restart kde10:08
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jdongbut with imbrandon around, 10:09
jdongI'll keep that amusement to myself10:09
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jdongso how'd it go, Tonio_?10:12
Tonio_it works......... I just had to reload kde.......10:12
imbrandonkdebase update *cough*10:13
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imbrandonsell ya my ibook 10:19
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jdongpfft :)10:21
jdongbtw, how do I get kopete to be a bit more aggressive in maintaining a connection?10:21
jdongafter about 20 hours it tends to lose its connectivity , and doesn't attempt to reconnect on its own10:21
jdonggaim also loses the connection at the same intervals, but it reconnects on its own10:22
imbrandondunno i dont use it10:22
imbrandoni'm sure its a setting in the config10:22
imbrandonpoke arround ;)10:23
jdonghehehe, that's almost as much fun as searching for weird phrases in the apt database10:23
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kwwiiman changing dapper to look like edgy is a lot of work10:56
kwwiiand you really see the difference10:57
fdovingis it alot of work to move the kubuntu part of the edgy usplash to the left so that the beginning of the K alligns with the start of the progressbar?10:58
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kwwiiahhh, where is Tonio11:01
kwwiiimbrandon: do you have the latest updates for edgy?11:01
kwwiido your inactive windows get transparent?11:01
imbrandonthats turned off by default iirc cuz it dont work well with all vid cards11:02
kwwiiand I was afraid I put it back in with my change to kwincrystalrc11:02
kwwiiman, I did a lot of work recently :p11:05
kwwiithe panelbg looks great with the window deco gradients, I think11:05
kwwiimark wanted to do that with gnome and everyone complained11:06
imbrandonheh yea i like it alot11:06
imbrandonadds that extra polish11:06
imbrandonand hell its not like it takes up cpu or soemthing11:06
kwwiiI think that we should turn the shadowed text in the titlebar back on though11:08
kwwiiit looks much better on my laptop11:08
imbrandonhrm i like it both ways11:08
kwwiiand on my laptop the active window deco looks totally blue11:08
kwwiinot purple at all11:08
imbrandonon edgy it looks grey11:08
imbrandonon both my lappy and desktop11:09
kwwiithe active window? the inactive window should look almost gray11:09
imbrandonohh yea the inactive11:09
imbrandonyea the active on a lcd looks a little bluer but imho it looks better11:09
imbrandonjust gives that hint of purple11:10
imbrandongradient looks better on the lcd too11:10
kwwiiactually, I like them better on my other mac :p11:11
kwwiithank god I did not make this theme on the laptop11:11
kwwiiand now I know why the earlier stuff was "way too purple" for people11:11
=== ryanakca wonders why amarok + last.fm streams doesn't work anymore...
imbrandonseem to work here ryanakca infact i was just listening to mine11:12
ryanakcaI get the "This feature is only available to Last.fm subscribers"... 11:13
imbrandondid you put your lastfm account info in ?11:13
ryanakcaimbrandon: yep :)11:13
imbrandondid you upgrade and not reboot ?11:13
=== imbrandon eyes tonio on that one
ryanakcait's a fresh install... right off the knot 3 CD11:14
imbrandonand you have updated correct ?11:14
imbrandonand rebooted since 11:14
imbrandoncorrect ?11:14
ryanakcaI believe so11:14
imbrandonmake sure , you get weird bugs when you update without rebooting kde11:14
ryanakcayes.. I did... I can rereboot though...11:15
ryanakcaimbrandon: does killing X count? I've done that several times as well11:15
kwwiihell, on edgy you get wierd bugs sometimes even though you restart :p11:15
ryanakcabrb then11:16
ryanakcameh... it's what I get for living on the edgy of insanity11:16
imbrandonahh i see what he was doing11:17
kwwiiis there some way to configure a printer?11:17
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imbrandonkwwii: in the system setting , but i dunno /how/11:18
imbrandonbut i know you can11:18
kwwiiI have an HP printer and when I click on the Printers icon in systemsettings it terminates after a long pause11:18
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imbrandonoh wow 11:18
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nixternalthat is a last.fm stream ;)11:18
imbrandonnixternal: yea he was trying to play a persoanl stream , i tried it and got the message11:19
imbrandonits only for paying lastfm members11:19
nixternaloh ya..that stuff11:19
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nixternaldude...banff, ab is absolutely beautiful11:19
nixternali want to move here11:19
imbrandonryanakca: you were trying to play the "personal" one right ?11:20
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imbrandonryanakca: click engage --> lastfm --> group tag --> station , that works, the personal is for paying subscribers only as it states ;)11:20
ryanakcaimbrandon: ah...11:21
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imbrandonwell when you said "anymore ..." i thought you had done it before11:22
kwwii ryanakca: don't worry - the only people who care about that stuff are very young :p11:23
ryanakcakwwii: *cough* *cough*11:23
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kwwiimy first day at suse I turned my computer off before I left...the next day I was yelled at11:24
kwwiiin the end I sat in a room with like 7 computers running all the time11:24
kwwiiI *had* to listen to music11:25
kwwiior would have gone crazy11:25
ryanakcahmmm... it's playing... but I don't hear anything.. and I'm not deaf (surprisingly, after all that bagpiping), nor are my speakers on mute11:25
ryanakcakwwii: lol11:25
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kwwiiryanakca: I just had an issue in which I had to add the right kernel module to get my sound working11:29
Tonio_Riddell: I have the solution for kdeprint issue :)11:29
Tonio_4 days searching for this..........11:29
kwwiiTonio_: Riddell is off to Dublin11:29
Tonio_kwwii: okay11:29
ryanakcakwwii: you aren't the only one who had that problem... someone else was talking to me about it... forget who though11:29
Tonio_kwwii: is there a plan for a usplash background ? black is a bit .......... too black11:29
kwwiiTonio_: we could put it on a solid color11:30
kwwiiperhaps #6569ae11:30
Tonio_kwwii: we can try11:30
Tonio_kwwii: isn't a real background image possible technically ?11:30
Tonio_just asking :)11:30
kwwiiTonio_: only if I would use a simple logo11:30
ryanakcakwwii: see... kde notifications work... just not my music in amarok, or BBC threw FF11:31
Tonio_kwwii: because of 256 colors ?11:31
kwwiiTonio_: yepp11:31
Tonio_how many are you using currently ?11:31
kwwii256 colors for both the bg pic and the progress bar11:31
Tonio_response : 25611:31
Tonio_let's try a background color......11:31
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kwwiiTonio_: do you know if the stuff I posted yesterday was included?11:35
kwwiiI really hope that we get the 640x480 theme in by beta, but Seveas had to make the code for it first11:36
DaSkreechHmm My edgy is only shoing half of the progress bar for installation11:37
Tonio_kwwii: dunno, which stuff ?11:38
kwwiiTonio_: the usplash with the smaller logo11:38
Tonio_kwwii: I'm about to upload new kds, so it is the moment to include it I think :)11:38
Tonio_kwwii: I don't think so, let me check11:38
kwwiiI think Jonthan did it last night11:38
DaSkreechWho does ubiquity for KDE?11:38
Tonio_* Improved uspash images from Ken Wimmer11:39
Tonio_kwwii: by imbrandon11:39
Tonio_DaSkreech: riddell11:39
imbrandonTonio_: that was yesterday ;)11:39
kwwiiahhhhhhhh!!!!! NOOOOOO!!!!!11:39
imbrandonand yea i put your usplash images in 11:39
kwwiihe spelt my name incorrect :p11:40
imbrandonouch whoops11:40
Tonio_imbrandon: so you did it ?11:40
Tonio_yeah okay today, yesterday, that's the same.11:40
Tonio_It is done :)11:40
kwwiiKenneth Wesley Wimer II11:40
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kwwiitherefor kwwii11:40
imbrandonkwwii: FWIW i copied it from a Riddell changelog entry ;)11:40
kwwiiI'll get that scottish bastard11:40
DaSkreechTonio_: Ah Cool11:41
kwwiimake him buy me a drink11:41
imbrandoni wondered what the hell kwwii  was hehe11:41
SeveasKenneth William Wimer II11:41
imbrandoni always thought of the green fruit11:41
kwwiilots of people from the gnome-side-of-life often think that it means K World War II11:41
Tonio_kwwii: LOL11:42
Seveasbtw: I'll be proposing another radical but neccessary usplash change when mjg59 is awake11:42
kwwiiSeveas: did you have a chance to look into the 640x480 theme?11:42
Seveasto save space on the livecd11:42
Seveaskwwii, not yet11:42
kwwiiSeveas: cool, let me at it :-)11:42
kwwiiI guess the beta is frozen by now11:42
Seveastoday was so hectic, I didn't even get to blog about eurooscon11:42
imbrandonkwwii: yea it is 11:43
Tonio_okay kdeprint issue resolved :)11:43
Tonio__Sime_: ping ?11:43
Tonio__Sime_: just wanted to make a point with the patches fopr media/11:44
Tonio__Sime_: nothing I can do to help ?11:44
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_Sime_I don't understand. what are you trying to say?11:45
jdong_Sime_: regarding my feedback on KubuntuKDEMedia, is getting the umount progress dialog back planned?11:45
jdongIMO that's quite an important safety feature11:45
_Sime_jdong: I haven't removed it. So I don't know what is happening there....11:45
jdong_Sime_: can you reproduce that it's no longer there?11:46
jdongor do I just have a screwed up system? :)11:46
Tonio__Sime_: is there a way I can test or help you to improve this ?11:46
_Sime_jdong: I don't think I've ever seen it. :-/11:46
Tonio__Sime_: is there a bug I can investigate .11:46
jdongTonio_: how about the unmounting issue I speak of11:46
_Sime_I don't see it when I eject a CD. or with my usb thingy.11:46
Tonio_jdong, let me read :)11:46
jdongTonio_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEMedia, feedback, #211:47
jdong_Sime_: likewise; but dapper definitely has it :)11:47
_Sime_maybe it only shows up when there is a lot of data to write back before unmounting.11:47
Tonio_jdong let me try to reproduce11:47
jdong_Sime_: umm, it never shows up :)11:47
_Sime_a lot if dialogs in KDE have small time delays built in.11:47
Tonio__Sime_: true11:47
_Sime_so that they don't flicker on the screen.11:48
jdong_Sime_: the worst-case scenario I had was after unmount, it took a silent 30 seconds to fully sync11:48
Tonio_it happens only when you are copying big amount of datas to the usb disk11:48
jdongwith 400MB of data in write cache11:48
jdongand no progress dialog ever came up11:48
Tonio__Sime_, jdong I'm trying to reproduce11:48
Tonio__Sime_: I can confirm11:49
jdonghmm, if that's the case perhaps this should go into launchpad11:50
_Sime_I haven't changed anything there. But I think Riddell might have.11:50
jdongwhere it can be properly marked and tracked11:50
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Tonio_jdong maybe that kde 3.5.4 bug and not _Sime_ patches issue11:50
jdongI really don't want to see Edgy release with this serious a bug11:50
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_Sime_didn't Riddell add a kind of firefox download manager thingy?11:50
jdongTonio_: right; perhaps it isn't _Sime_'s fault at all11:51
jdongTonio_: I could've sworn that dapper + kubuntu.org kde-354 worked11:51
_Sime_Tonio_: you know what I am talking about?11:51
_Sime_Tonio_: Riddell was planning in paris to add that for edgy.11:51
Tonio__Sime_: nope, I never heard about this11:52
ryanakca_Sime_: dunno... just popping into the conversation... I know there's an extension for FF that's for FF + KGet...11:52
_Sime_I'm not sure if it was completed.11:52
Tonio_firefox download manager ?11:52
_Sime_ryanakca: I'm talking about how FF uses 1 window to show the progress of mulitple downloads.'11:52
_Sime_Riddell wanted the same idea for kioslaves and KDE.11:52
ryanakca_Sime_: ah, kindof like opera?11:53
Tonio_jdong what would be interesting is asking people on dapper to guess if the issue is on _Sime_'s patches or not11:53
Tonio__Sime_: you can add kget11:53
_Sime_I'm not talking about kget.11:53
Tonio__Sime_: yeah I know but the result is about the same.....;11:53
fdoving_Sime_: i think the file copy/download dialogs has been on his todo for a long time.11:53
jdongTonio_: I filed bug 61946 so we don't forget about the issue....11:54
UbugtuMalone bug 61946 in kdebase "umount progress dialog missing in Edgy" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6194611:54
_Sime_I don't know if it actually got into edgy..11:55
jdongperferably I'd like to see it marked at a higher priority, too11:55
Tonio_jdong okay11:55
Tonio_jdong indeed that's very annoying11:55
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Tonio_I just tried and I removed the key since no popup and I lost the content11:56
jdongTonio_: yeah, indeed data loss is a real possibility11:56
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Tonio_jdong checked kde bts ?11:57
=== jdong remembers when GNOME had the same bug
jdongTonio_: no, the kde bts scares me :)11:57
=== jdong begs Tonio_ to check for him
_Sime_Tonio_: if you have got nothing else to do this weekend, you could remove riddell's patch for the kio dialogs and see if that fixes the problem.11:57
jdongryanakca: bug tracker system11:57
Tonio__Sime_: true, will do11:58
Tonio__Sime_: let me check which patch is it11:58
_Sime_I can't find the spec page for it...11:58
Tonio__Sime_: kdelibs patch I assume ?11:58
_Sime_probably yes11:58
=== ryanakca should probably be reading a C++ book...
Tonio__Sime_: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/16 this patch12:01
Tonio__Sime_: is that patch of any use since media:/ is not used anymore ?12:01
_Sime_I don't know what it does exactly. But it does not sound like the patch we are looking for.12:02
Tonio__Sime_: hum...12:03
_Sime_I just thought of something.12:03
Tonio__Sime_: yes ?12:04
_Sime_Try that unmount test again, except this time open up media:/ and unmount it via media:/.12:04
Tonio__Sime_: but how ?12:04
Tonio_it's the desktop icon ;)12:04
Tonio_ah! let me check, I understand what you mean12:04
_Sime_context menu?12:04
_Sime_(I think that might be broken now.... media:/ i mean).12:05
_Sime_I'm going to bed now. I'll try to have a look at this stuff this weekend.12:05
Tonio__Sime_: same issue12:06
Tonio_so that probably not due to your patches12:06
_Sime_doesn't work?12:06
Tonio_jdong_: you can reproduce the test, I get the same issue working in media:/12:07
Tonio__Sime_: so the last big issue is the /media/cdrom0 empty I assume ?12:07
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Tonio__Sime_: when did riddell add the patch ?12:08
Tonio_I don't find it12:08
Tonio_kubuntu_57_nomediaioslave_fileio.diff maybe this one.......12:09
ryanakcawhat file provides those little bars with polka dots on them that appear when you have your panel unlocked? it's vertical... has a black arrow on to top of it...12:11

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