[12:13] <imbrandon> yea it was kinda interesting
[12:13] <imbrandon> heh
[12:15] <imbrandon> ahh just read the mail on u-devel
[12:15] <imbrandon> its a psudo freeze left upto the developer for now about things needed only critical for beta
[12:15] <imbrandon> whoops
[12:16] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:16] <imbrandon> Other low-risk bugfix-only uploads are still OK for now, but expect uploads
[12:16] <imbrandon> to start requiring approval very soon.
[12:17] <imbrandon> ^^ tagged at the end heheh
[12:18] <imbrandon> heh i wish ubuntu-devel wasent full of so much junk i would read it more, but most of the time the thread turn into long rambling things hard to follow
[12:20] <Hobbsee> true that
[12:20] <Hobbsee> i want a button that says "dont email me about the rest of this subject"
[12:20] <imbrandon> hahaha how true
[12:23] <DaSkreech> One of his TODO was something brought up in the meeting
[12:38] <DaSkreech> Well I'm off night a
[12:54] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: make it (all of 10 mins) add it to the depends of ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop so on when you use echo make sure it says Hobbsee said "dont email me about the rest of this subject" :)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: hmmm?
[12:56] <gnomefreak> just a reminder button :)
[01:01] <abattoir> Riddell: yes i did, havent heard from him yet though
[01:02] <Riddell> abattoir: well he'll be sleeping, but good to get it in tomorrow
[01:02] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[01:02] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal 
[01:03] <nixternal> just noticed ya was hangin' out
[01:03] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: explain to that to me when i get back :P
[01:03] <Hobbsee> actually, i'm out
[01:03] <Hobbsee> my battery's about to die
[01:03] <abattoir> Riddell: i sent it around 5 hrs. ago, and he seems to have been online(active) after that, but still :)
[01:03] <nixternal> whee
[01:03] <nixternal> later Hobbsee
[01:03] <abattoir> hi nixternal, Hobbsee :)
[01:03] <Hobbsee> heya
[01:03] <nixternal> hiya abattoir!
[01:03] <nixternal> dinner sounds good
[01:03] <nixternal> her battery just died ;)
[02:29] <jdong> startkeylogger :P
[02:30] <jdong> (you can tell jdong has just taken his pain medication when.......)
[02:30] <Jucato_> jdong: any news on flash?
[02:31] <jdong> Jucato_: I haven't been able to ping infinity yet
[02:31] <jdong> even the candles-and-circles routine didn't work
[02:31] <jdong> but it MIGHT be something about the 5 fricking Openoffice builds that are holding things up :P
[02:31] <Jucato_> hm... maybe you didn't ping long enough? after all he is infinite :P
[02:32] <Jucato_> oh well, goog thing I don't need to use sites w/ flash that much :)
[02:32] <jdong> Jucato_: does your flash not work??
[02:32] <jdong> Jucato_: install the edgy package
[02:33] <jdong> it should be binary-compatible with dapper
[02:33] <Jucato_> hm... ok. just download it from p.u.c?
[02:34] <jdong> Jucato_: yep
[02:35] <Jucato_> and I'll just remove it when the fixed update is available?
[02:35] <jdong> Jucato_: you can if you want, it's not harmful to have it. it'll be binary-identical to the backported package
[02:36] <Jucato_> ah ok. thanks! :)
[02:36] <jdong> Jucato_: flash is flash is flash.... the package is nothing more than a fancy version of wget and tar -xzvf :)
[02:36] <Jucato_> heh, well, I try not to deal with .tar.gz if I can :P
[02:40] <Jucato_> yay working now. thanks! :P
[02:45] <crimsun> fabo: hobbsee was subbed, and I presumed she'd have a better idea regarding whether the dh_iconcache(1) delta had been subsumed (I didn't have time atm to grab the new source package to check)
[03:06] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:06] <jjesse> howdy
[03:45] <Riddell> jjesse: is the switching guide good to include?
[03:52] <Riddell> nixternal: ^^
[03:54] <jjesse> Riddell: no i isn't
[03:54] <jjesse> Riddell: sorry was walkin the dog
[03:54] <Riddell> jjesse: it didn't get finished?
[03:54] <Riddell> hmm, doesn't validate
[03:55] <jjesse> Riddell: not for kubuntu, it is finished for ubuntu
[03:55] <Riddell> humbug
[03:55] <jjesse> sorry it seems the docs are the best this release for sme reason :(
[03:56] <jjesse> not only for kubuntu but also ubuntu
[03:58] <jjesse> and i don't know why, too short of schedule?, not enough interest? focus elsewhere?  don't really understand why this time
[04:01] <jjesse> but swiching guide is first and foremost for kubuntu, its started and will be finished
[04:01] <Riddell> jjesse: any idea how to update the .pot files in the docs?
[04:02] <jjesse> Riddell: no, but i can check
[04:02] <Riddell> jjesse: will be finished by not for edgy?
[04:02] <jjesse> edgy +1
[04:06] <jjesse> Riddell: are you paying attetion to #ubuntu-docs?
[04:26] <Riddell> jjesse: docs uploaded, please apply this to the svn archive http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-docs.diff
[04:27] <nixternal> Riddell: i did the kubuntu .pot files earlier today
[04:30] <nixternal> jjesse: are you applying that patch?  or shall i?
[04:30] <jjesse> nixternal: can you, i'm busy right now trying to finish the updated chapter
[04:30] <nixternal> alright
[04:30] <nixternal> will do
[04:33] <nixternal> done
[05:13] <imbrandon> gnight nixternal , Riddell , Jucato , and *
[05:13] <nixternal> g'nite
[05:13] <Jucato> night imbrandon!!! :)
[05:13] <nixternal> i gotta go to
[05:13] <nixternal> heading to canada in like 6 hours
[05:13] <imbrandon> cutiecoder?
[05:13] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:13] <nixternal> ouch
[05:13] <Jucato> heh
[05:13] <nixternal> i thought she was in wv
[05:13] <imbrandon> thought you might be going to visit her
[05:13] <nixternal> heh, she comes here bud
[05:13] <imbrandon> i thought ca
[05:14] <imbrandon> dunno i dont talk to her much
[05:14] <nixternal> i have no clue..i am a best man in a wedding
[05:14] <imbrandon> anyway, gnight
[05:14] <nixternal> wheee
[05:14] <Jucato> if cutiecoder becomes a developer, Hobbsee's gonna have some competition :P
[05:14] <nixternal> g'nite
[05:14] <imbrandon> Jucato: she never will, not enough disipline
[05:15] <Jucato> heh. it would be fun to watch though. Hobbsee's whip vs. cutiecoder's guns :P
[05:15] <imbrandon> ZzzzZzzZzzZ
[05:15] <nixternal> ya right  ;0
[05:15] <nixternal> damn shift button
[05:15] <Jucato> heh
[08:38] <fabo> crimsun: do you know if dh_iconcache will be introduced in debian ?
[09:24] <crimsun> fabo: Last I know it's under discussion
[09:41] <fabo> crimsun: there's many package now that use dh_iconcache, and it's difficult to sync "as is" debian package while dh_iconcache isn't available
[10:17] <crimsun> unfortunately the prerogative isn't Kubuntu's
[11:32] <Jucato> Hobbsee! :)
[11:34] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[11:36] <fabo> Hobbsee: could you re-confirm 61845 and 61847. scott james remnant prefers new bug reports than re-opening
[11:36] <Hobbsee> right....
[11:36] <Hobbsee> bug 61845
[11:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61845 in icecc "Please sync icecc 0.7.14 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61845
[11:36] <Hobbsee> bug 61847
[11:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61847 in clucene-core "Please sync clucene-core (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61847
[11:40] <Hobbsee> fabo: done
[11:43] <Tonio_> hi
[11:44] <Jucato> hi Tonio_
[11:50] <fabo> Hobbsee: thanks
[11:51] <Hobbsee> fabo: :)
[11:51] <fabo> akademy time ;)
[11:51] <fabo> see you later
[11:51] <Hobbsee> have fun!
[11:51] <Jucato> nice
[11:51] <Jucato> good luck aKademy guys!
[11:51] <fabo> hehe :)
[11:52] <Jucato> have fun (but not too much) :P
[11:52] <Jucato> heh.. if only there were live video feeds for the aKademy... I'm gonna be glued to my chair...
[11:58] <Hobbsee> yeah, well, i wouldnt mind...
[11:59] <Hobbsee> you do not exploit your employees by asking them to work at a particular time, waiting until they say yes, and then go "oh, you're working in another section entirely"
[11:59] <Hobbsee> ie, gotcha
[11:59] <Hobbsee> tha'ts not what i agreed to do - and she doesnt accept the word "no"
[11:59] <Jucato> grr..
[12:00] <Hobbsee> *wonders where this duty manager position is*
[12:01] <Hobbsee> bugger, bet it's in grocery.  *grumbles*
[12:01] <Jucato> so you're still at work?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> no, i dont have a net connection at work
[12:02] <Hobbsee> wish i did
[12:03] <Jucato> ah
[12:03] <Hobbsee> i was out doing fun things today
[12:05] <Hobbsee> therefore not being online
[12:05] <Hobbsee> er, s/bilo/do not answer/
[12:05] <Hobbsee> i'm not telling :P
[12:05] <Jucato> hah
[12:08] <Hobbsee> oh....sucky, i cant work where i want to work
[12:09] <Hobbsee> before i go nuts, and/or injure myself too badly
[12:09] <Jucato> are we talking about work-work or work-kubuntu?
[12:09] <Hobbsee> work work
[12:09] <Jucato> ah
[12:09] <Hobbsee> i like kubuntu stuff :)
[12:09] <Jucato> heh
[12:09] <Jucato> specially when your X goes bonkers on you
[12:10] <Hobbsee> hah, yeah
[12:10] <Hobbsee> still havent booted to that kernel again yet
[12:10] <Jucato> 2.6.17-28 was it?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'LongPointyStickOfDoom': Linux 2.6.17-7-generic running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: MobileIntel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.40GHz at 2394 MHz (4793 bogomips), , RAM: 932/994MB, 102 proc's, 42.33min up
[12:10] <Hobbsee> 2.6.17-8-generic broke on me
[12:10] <Jucato> ah -8...
[12:11] <Jucato> hm.. haven't booted into it yet on the "real" Edgy. but virtual Edgy seems fine
[12:12] <insanekane> Hobbsee: long pointy stick of doom ? :)
[12:12] <Hobbsee> insanekane: yep :)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what's the story with kopete in dapper?  it's got 0.12.2?
[12:19] <Jucato> still not there
[12:19] <Jucato> same with Konversation
[12:19] <Jucato> only k3b made it to backports so far
[12:21] <kwwii_> re
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Jucato: darn, okay
[12:21] <Jucato> hi kwwii_!!
[12:22] <kwwii_> hi Jucato
[12:22] <kwwii_> hi Hobbsee
[12:22] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii_ :)
[01:25] <kwwii_> is Riddell already off to akademy?
[01:27] <Tonio_> kwwii_: http://www.sabayonlinux.org/
[01:28] <Tonio_> kwwii_: the interesting point is that they seem to use compiz, but the window decorator looks like kwin...
[01:28] <Tonio_> strange...... I wonder how they have done that
[01:28] <Riddell> kwwii_: nope
[01:28] <Tonio_> hi Riddell
[01:28] <kwwii_> hehe
[01:28] <Riddell> hi Tonio_ 
[01:28] <kwwii_> hi Riddell
[01:28] <kwwii_> Tonio_: neat marketing there
[01:29] <kwwii_> eggs, wine, and GNU/Linux
[01:29] <Tonio_> kwwii_: hehe yes ;)
[01:29] <Tonio_> kwwii_: the point is that the compiz window decorator is not supposed to be themable
[01:30] <Tonio_> that's the strage issue......; I will investigate, since if they have done a kind of binding for kwin themes, that could be VERY interesting
[01:30] <kwwii_> Tonio_: ahhhh, didn't know that
[01:30] <Tonio_> kwwii_: yes, that's the major issue with compiz, you cannot theme the window decorator, but they are doing it....
[01:30] <kwwii_> hehe
[01:31] <Tonio_> kwwii_: if you look at kde based distros with compiz, they all have the same window deco, except this one....... 
[01:31] <Tonio_> they have a live cd, I'm downloading
[01:31] <kwwii_> it'll be llike 5 more years till I have a computer with a graphics card that supports that
[01:31] <Tonio_> kwwii_: just buy a pc ;)
[01:32] <Tonio_> kwwii_: compiz works nicelly on a low price laptop
[01:32] <Tonio_> kwwii_: it doesn't need a powerfull machine
[01:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=735&slide=10&title=sabayonlinux+3.0+screenshots
[01:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: interesting no ? it is the first time I can see a compiz using kwin themes......
[01:35] <Riddell> that looks like the vista window manager theme
[01:35] <Riddell> I don't see anything to suggest it's kwin
[01:36] <kwwii_> hehe, they are using the kdm theme I made for suse
[01:36] <kwwii_> I seee that again and again
[01:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: afaik compiz is not themable.......
[01:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: am I wrong ?
[01:37] <Tonio_> hum yes I'm wrong, it can use gnome themes....... so you're right.... should be that......
[01:40] <Hobbsee> ooh, people
[01:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hey ;)
[01:44] <Hobbsee> heya Tonio_ 
[01:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: it looks like mdz doesn't want of the new scribus. the reason is that it is more a feature release and there are no mentions to bug resolved, which makes sense...
[01:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: fair enough I guess
[01:52] <Riddell> imbrandon: how did you get on with koffice?
[02:18] <kwwii_> re
[02:46] <zorglu_> q. im trying to narrow down the reason of why kded eat 100% cpu on my box, it keep reading on a socket, socket:[18751]  according to /proc, how can i convert socket:[18751]  to a more readable format ?
[02:55] <imbrandon> Riddell: hi
[02:56] <imbrandon> Riddell: i never could get past the autoconf thing, i tried it on my amd64 too as you sugested
[02:56] <imbrandon> but still same thing
[02:56] <imbrandon> make -f Makefile.cvs ( admin/cvs.sh ) cont find autoconf2.6 even with the patch, i manualy checked the file etc
[02:57] <imbrandon> thus no ./configure script, thus i couldent get it to build
[02:57] <imbrandon> ;(
[03:00] <Riddell> imbrandon: it doesn't need the patch, you're going mad :)
[03:00] <Tonio_> imbrandon: tried "fakeroot debian/rules buildprep" ?
[03:01] <Tonio_> ah autoconf issue.......
[03:01] <Tonio_> imbrandon: can I look at yout source package ?
[03:01] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I have time to check today
[03:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ?
[03:03] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea i know it doesent what i'm getting at is with or without it 
[03:03] <imbrandon> it still dident like autoconf 2.6
[03:04] <Hobbsee> !ping
[03:04] <ubotu> ping: connection timeout
[03:04] <imbrandon> Tonio_: yea Riddell has the tarball 
[03:04] <imbrandon> Tonio_: pong
[03:04] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee 
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hiya
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: url please ?
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: svn koffice or latest available tarball ?
[03:05] <imbrandon> neither afaik an unavail tarbal
[03:05] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:05] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/koffice-1.5.92.tar.bz2
[03:05] <Riddell> but that's top secret
[03:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[03:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm trying a package :)
[03:06] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~/devel/koffice/koffice-1.5.92$ make -f Makefile.cvs
[03:06] <imbrandon> This Makefile is only for the CVS repository
[03:06] <imbrandon> This will be deleted before making the distribution
[03:06] <imbrandon> ./admin/cvs.sh: 653: --version: not found
[03:06] <imbrandon> *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!.
[03:06] <imbrandon> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
[03:06] <imbrandon> make[1] : *** [cvs]  Error 1
[03:06] <imbrandon> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[03:06] <imbrandon> gah
[03:06] <imbrandon> dident mean to paste in here, but thats the error
[03:06] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the patch isn't appylied......
[03:06] <imbrandon> and YES i have autoconf installed
[03:06] <imbrandon> Tonio_: it shouldent need it
[03:07] <imbrandon> Tonio_: it has the new admin/
[03:07] <Tonio_> imbrandon: cvs.sh refers to autoconf 2.6 ?
[03:07] <imbrandon> yes
[03:07] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ah.........
[03:07] <Tonio_> very strange.......;
[03:07] <Tonio_> okay I'll have a look
[03:07] <imbrandon> yup
[03:08] <Tonio_> imbrandon: any specific problems with patches we already have ? just earn time packaging
[03:09] <imbrandon> there were 2 in debian/patches/common that dident apply but the rest are ok
[03:09] <Tonio_> imbrandon: great, thanks
[03:09] <imbrandon> ( using the debain dir from kubuntu.org from 1.6 beta 1 )
[03:10] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay thanks for the info
[03:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: used pbuilder ?
[03:18] <imbrandon> yes
[03:18] <Tonio_> cause if you built it locally, you probably should have done a "export autoconf=autoconf"
[03:18] <Tonio_> ah......
[03:18] <Tonio_> sometimes I get issues if I don't do that before a debuild
[03:19] <Tonio_> but if it's pbuilder it should be okay
[03:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay I'm building, will let you know
[03:26] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the first point is that ALL patches are applyed here.......;
[03:26] <Tonio_> imbrandon: did you touch the source somehow ?
[03:26] <imbrandon> nope
[03:26] <Tonio_> imbrandon: weird.......
[03:26] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I don't have any issue with any patch
[03:27] <imbrandon> ok then i was thinking of something else
[03:27] <imbrandon> i have built alot of packages the last days
[03:27] <Tonio_> imbrandon: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/13
[03:27] <imbrandon> point is did the configure script get generated ?
[03:27] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the build is slow :) will tell you in a minute
[03:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: one thing is sure : fakeroot debian/rules buildprep works......
[03:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: so the build should work too
[03:28] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/14
[03:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: works.........
[03:28] <Tonio_> sorry ;)
[03:29] <imbrandon> sorry ? heh
[03:29] <Tonio_> sorry to tell you that I can't reproduce your issue ;)
[03:30] <Tonio_> I would have prefer to reproduce and correct that with you, that's the point
[03:30] <imbrandon> no worries, i'm starting with a freash build now .....
[03:30] <Tonio_> imbrandon: maybe recreate your pbuilder....... I don't know
[03:31] <imbrandon> its was BEFORE i even got into pbuilder
[03:31] <imbrandon> nvm
[03:31] <Tonio_> ah......
[03:31] <Tonio_> imbrandon: well if it works here, better not waste your time, I'll send the packages to Riddell
[03:31] <imbrandon> Tonio_: for all 3 arches on all dapper and edgy ?
[03:31] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:31] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe, no, point :)
[03:32] <Tonio_> imbrandon: isn't there a build system for this ?
[03:32] <imbrandon> hehe if it builds for you fine i'll make the rest
[03:32] <Tonio_> imbrandon: you mean all kubuntu packages are done manually ?????????
[03:32] <imbrandon> the ones for kubuntu.org are 
[03:32] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ah....... configure not found :)
[03:32] <Tonio_> hehe
[03:33] <imbrandon> yea ......
[03:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay I see, what we have to do is a buildprep
[03:33] <Tonio_> did you do that ?
[03:33] <imbrandon> ok now NOT in pbuilder run
[03:33] <imbrandon> make -f Makefile.cvs
[03:33] <imbrandon> thats what makes the configure script
[03:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: nope I'm running buildprep instead
[03:33] <Tonio_> better since it applies patches before generating files
[03:34] <Riddell> I'm sure I've already said this :)
[03:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, and you're right :) it works very nicelly :)
[03:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: you give the lesson, I only repeat :)
[03:34] <Tonio_> imbrandon: try ""fakeroot debian/rules buildprep"
[03:34] <imbrandon> yea i applied the pacthes and tried it that way too
[03:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: pst, "make -f"
[03:35] <imbrandon> i did that yesterday .....
[03:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: you mean ?
[03:35] <imbrandon> make -f debian/rules buildprep .......
[03:35] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum what is the difference ? works nicelly the way O do too :)
[03:35] <Riddell> with fakeroot :)
[03:36] <imbrandon> err yea dots at the wrong end
[03:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: needs debian/rules to be executable and the #! line to be there
[03:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it looks like it is already there since it works :)
[03:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: but okay, your solution is more generic
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya
[03:37] <Tonio_> yop bddebian
[03:37] <bddebian> Hi Tonio_
[03:37] <Tonio_> I'm getting mad with vbuilletin upgrade......... templates are a pain to get sync
[03:38] <Tonio_> and pureftpd definitly sucks.......
[03:38] <imbrandon> ok either way buildprep is not likeing my autoconf either
[03:39] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hum, try this : "export autoconf=autoconf && fakeroot make -f debian/rules buildprep"
[03:39] <Tonio_> maybe that'll work
[03:39] <imbrandon> no change
[03:39] <Tonio_> I sometimes get issues with $autoconf undefined......
[03:39] <Tonio_> imbrandon: grmpf, that sucks.......
[03:39] <Tonio_> very strange
[03:40] <abattoir> Riddell: hi, just FYI, Kamion has uploaded oem-config-1.4, i'll test tomorrow's build.
[03:40] <Riddell> abattoir: saw that, great stuff
[03:41] <Jucato> wow abattoir's alive...
[03:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: once build is over do you want the files ? I assume yes....
[03:41] <abattoir> Jucato: passively
[03:42] <imbrandon> Tonio_ / Riddell : http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/15
[03:42] <Tonio_> imbrandon: HEY, DON'T USE MY WEBSERVER !!!!!!!!! ^_^
[03:42] <imbrandon> lol
[03:42] <Jucato> heh
[03:43] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[03:43] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hum, I must say I don't understand......
[03:43] <imbrandon> look at the bottom , the last 2 commands
[03:44] <imbrandon> and i JUST untared it again to make sure all was clean
[03:45] <Tonio_> imbrandon: can you paste $autoconf --version
[03:45] <Tonio_> ?
[03:45] <Tonio_> imbrandon: looks like a local issue, but that's, I must say, very bizarre :)
[03:45] <fdoving> Tonio_: your eaccellerator link is broken, nice page :] 
[03:45] <imbrandon> Tonio_: i only have one autoconf installed
[03:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: ah ? thanks for the info :)
[03:46] <imbrandon> and that is at the bottom of that paste
[03:46] <danimo> heya!
[03:46] <danimo> kwwii_: nice work!
[03:46] <imbrandon> ello danimo 
[03:46] <danimo> hi imbrandon
[03:47] <Riddell> imbrandon: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/koffice_1.5.92.orig.tar.gz being uploaded (8 mins to go)
[03:48] <imbrandon> Riddell: kk
[03:48] <Tonio_> fdoving: the link is correct now
[03:48] <fdoving> :)
[03:48] <imbrandon> rm -rf *
[03:48] <imbrandon> err
[03:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon: wanna test my package ? configure runs, so it should be okay
[03:49] <imbrandon> i'll grab the new tarbal from Riddell and try it first
[03:49] <imbrandon> then we'll go that way
[03:49] <jdong> Hobbsee: you rang?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> jdong: yeah, status of kopete in dapper backports, if the bug got fixed
[03:50] <jdong> Hobbsee: will check up on that
[03:50] <danimo> edgy looks very nice now
[03:50] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[03:51] <jdong> Jucato: flash should be fixed, the build went through at least
[03:51] <danimo> I'd like to get a working usb key hotplug back :)
[03:51] <danimo> kde reacts on the hal event
[03:51] <danimo> but doesn't actually mount anything, and errors out
[03:52] <Jucato> jdong: ok I'll try it out
[03:56] <imbrandon> Riddell: you headed to dublin today ?
[03:57] <Jucato> jdong: of course it hasn't hit dapper-backports yet, has it?
[03:57] <jdong> Jucato: it should have? :)
[03:57] <Jucato> hm.. I'll try connecting directly to archive.ubuntu.com...
[03:57] <Jucato> coz it's not working here...
[03:58] <jdong> it might still be a bit before it shows up on archive
[03:58] <jdong> I just noticed that it passed through buildd
[03:58] <Jucato> jdong: ah... that was what I was asking heheh... what's the package name so I could check?
[03:58] <jdong> flashplugin-nonfree
[03:59] <Jucato> jdong: I mean the version? (7.0.68~ubuntu1~dapper1 is the one that's not working, right?)
[03:59] <jdong> corect
[03:59] <jdong> ubuntu2~dapper1 is working
[04:00] <Jucato> ah ok. I'll check it once in a while to see if it's there already :P
[04:05] <imbrandon> Riddell: tar uploaded all the way? i'm a grab it , hope so 
[04:05] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:07] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes
[04:08] <imbrandon> cool
[04:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: shoudn't we plan a new kubuntu-meeting ?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> could be a plan
[04:27] <Hobbsee> what are we saying?
[04:28] <imbrandon> that the sky is yellow and the grass is purple .... ;)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> woo :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> yellow sky would be cool
[04:29] <imbrandon> purple grass would be too
[04:29] <crimsun> please, we don't want a gnome-ish colour scheme
[04:29] <imbrandon> heh i might gimp someting up why koffice compiles
[04:29] <Tonio_> next week would be good to get beta feedback
[04:29] <imbrandon> crimsun: hahaha
[04:29] <imbrandon> purple and yeallow are gnomish ?
[04:29] <imbrandon> yellow*
[04:30] <imbrandon> next thurs at 2100 UTC ? any objections ?
[04:30] <crimsun> no, it was a side-long shot at the slightly garish colours
[04:30] <imbrandon> Riddell Tonio_ Hobbsee  ^^^
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: wont like it
[04:31] <Tonio_> imbrandon: perfect for me
[04:31] <imbrandon> crimsun: ahhh hehe
[04:31] <Hobbsee> er, can you revisit this tomorrow?  i'll have gotten shifts for work by then, so will know what's going on
[04:31] <Tonio_> imbrandon: although tuesday would be better in my view
[04:31] <Jucato> what won't I like? yellow? purple? :P
[04:31] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: ok we'll "tentively" plan it for then pending your schedules from work
[04:32] <imbrandon> sound good ?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> i'm thinking of saying "push it later"
[04:32] <Hobbsee> also, jjesse will probably want to come too
[04:32] <Hobbsee> (seeing as i'm not at uni next week, i dont have such a tight schedule)
[04:33] <imbrandon> well later would put Riddell at the wee hours of the morning
[04:34] <Hobbsee> we'll find something
[04:34] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:34] <imbrandon> true
[04:34] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I could probably get up that early again, no biggie (I'm not that important :P )
[04:35] <Hobbsee> sure you are
[04:35] <Jucato> well, at least not YET :P
[04:35] <Jucato> *evil laugh*
[04:36] <imbrandon> Riddell: btw that tar worked perfect for me this time, its building now on 2 machines to test ( i386 and amd64 edgy on both ) if it builds fine i'll start all the other builds
[04:36] <imbrandon> Riddell: you said something about it might not build on ppc ?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hey now, i'm the one taking over the world :P
[04:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: due to ruby?
[04:37] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: that only affects 64bit ppc afaik 
[04:37] <imbrandon> not sure
[04:37] <Jucato> ok... I'm satisfied with one continent, just not Australia :P
[04:37] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:38] <Jucato> heh
[04:38] <imbrandon> bwhahah
[04:38] <Jucato> I bet you'd claim wherever the largest mt.dew factory is located :P
[04:38] <imbrandon> gah well i thought i was perfect
[04:38] <imbrandon> jesus
[04:39] <imbrandon> man i'm going mad over this
[04:43] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[04:43] <imbrandon> heya Mez 
[04:44] <Mez> heya
[04:44] <Mez> imbrandon, get main upload yet ?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hi Mez 
[04:44] <imbrandon> Mez: yupers
[04:44] <Hobbsee> he did, he's very important now
[04:45] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: not anymore than before ;( i just can break alot more systems
[04:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:45] <Hobbsee> sure you ar
[04:45] <Hobbsee> e
[04:45] <crimsun> stop breaking stuff in main!
[04:45] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:45] <Jucato> Hobbsee: first time I heard you called by your first name :P
[04:46] <Mez> imbrandon: do you reckon it might be possible for you to put thourgh a UVF request for katapult
[04:46] <imbrandon> Jucato: she is every once ina  while ;)
[04:46] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: Mez likes doing that.
[04:46] <imbrandon> Mez: i can try, got a changelog for me
[04:46] <Jucato> it's nice to hear it once in a while :P
[04:46] <crimsun> beta freeze was yesterday...
[04:46] <imbrandon> yea it has to be important for beta
[04:46] <Mez> imbrandon: it's pretty much stuff thats in as patches in the ubuntu
[04:47] <imbrandon> ahh hrm, well they are only wanting uploads atm to fix broken stuff for the beta atm
[04:47] <imbrandon> so if it can wait , it would probably be better to
[04:48] <imbrandon> but if not we can try
[04:48] <Mez> imbrandon, you on edgy now ?
[04:48] <imbrandon> yup
[04:49] <Mez> can you do me a favour- y ou running katapult ?
[04:49] <imbrandon> sure and yes
[04:51] <Mez> Jucato, no
[04:51] <Mez> imbrandon, type a few letters for a program
[04:51] <Jucato> heh... :)
[04:51] <Mez> then hit backspace
[04:51] <Mez> how many chars does it delete ?
[04:51] <imbrandon> haha 2
[04:51] <imbrandon> 2 at a time
[04:51] <Mez> f00k
[04:51] <Hobbsee>  2
[04:51] <Hobbsee> oh, so *that's* why my backspace never works the way i thought
[04:51] <imbrandon> heh
[04:51] <Mez> It appeared for some reason ...
[04:51] <Mez> imbrandon, can you download the latest bzr version and check if that does the same ?
[04:52] <imbrandon> Mez: yea but it will be a while before i have the cpu cycles to compile it, koffice is curning away atm
[04:52] <Mez> imbrandon - how about I poke you a deb over ?
[04:53] <imbrandon> Mez: that would be perfect
[04:53] <imbrandon> i'm on my i386 box atm
[04:53] <Mez> ;)
[04:53] <Riddell> hi Mez 
[04:53] <Jucato> nice... 2 characters at a time... :P
[04:53] <Riddell> imbrandon: no ruby on ppc edgy so it won't build there
[04:54] <Mez> Riddell: have you any idea where that bug came from ? the first time I saw it was on your lappy
[04:54] <imbrandon> ok i'll just do the amd64 and i386 on dapper/edgy then, well do the ppc ones later
[04:54] <Riddell> imbrandon: make sure all the files are installed before you start on dapper
[04:54] <imbrandon> k
[04:55] <Riddell> Mez: what bug?
[04:55] <imbrandon> Riddell: start katapult , type kate and then backspace
[04:55] <Mez> Riddell: double bakspace in katapult
[04:55] <imbrandon> deletes 2 chars at a time
[04:56] <Riddell> Mez: I've no idea where it came from no
[04:57] <Mez> Riddell: I blame you for it - lol :D
[04:58] <Mez> imbrandon, get that ?
[04:58] <imbrandon> grabbing it now
[05:00] <Tonio_> imbrandon: my build failed........ no left space on device, after one hour :'(
[05:01] <imbrandon> Mez: still fails ( and doesnt have the new colors heheh )
[05:01] <imbrandon> err doublebackspaces
[05:02] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: you mean not all devels have 600 gig harddrives :)
[05:02] <Mez> imbrandon: noone sent me the patch for the new colours ;)
[05:02] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: not on my laptop unfortunately ;)
[05:02] <imbrandon> Mez: ahhh 
[05:03] <imbrandon> Tonio_: i have a build going now, we'll see how it gos
[05:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: great
[05:03] <imbrandon> i have 2 gig ram 2 gig swap and a 160+ gig hdd, i better not run outa space ;)
[05:03] <imbrandon> ( on this box )
[05:07] <imbrandon> Riddell: is there a way to tell if all the files are install AFTER the deb is built ?
[05:07] <Riddell> dh_install --list-missing
[05:07] <imbrandon> k
[05:07] <Riddell> you're not using pbuilder are you?
[05:07] <imbrandon> Riddell: i am for this build, should i not be ?
[05:08] <Riddell> you won't be able to do anything if it goes wrong
[05:08] <Riddell> changes are there's some new file that has been added, or one removed
[05:08] <imbrandon> ahh shiznit, right , ok /me stops it
[05:08] <Riddell> built it in a chroot first on 1 platform, fix any problems then do the final thing in a pbuilder if you want to be sure
[05:09] <imbrandon> right ... i wasent thinking
[05:09] <imbrandon> no biggie it wasent too far
[05:28] <imbrandon> woot finaly to the gcc compiling part heh, now we're getting somewhere
[05:29] <imbrandon> i figured out the configure problem too i think, not sure , but i dident have automake1.9 installed
[05:30] <imbrandon> anyhow its /actualy/ building now, e.g gcc/g++ is churning .... so now to grab a bit to eat and wait
[05:30] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:33] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[05:33] <Riddell> pong
[05:33] <Riddell> although in British English it's called Table Tennis
[05:34] <abattoir> heh :P
[05:34] <Mez> Riddell: ok, with bug 60136, I'm working on a fix - but checking the version number is a huge PITA
[05:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60136 in katapult "Katapult doesn't work with Amarok >= 1.4.2" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60136
[05:34] <Jucato> lol
[05:34] <Mez> Riddell: should I just assume they have the latest version of katapult ?
[05:34] <Mez> s/katapult/amarok/
[05:34] <Riddell> Mez: sure, we just can't backport it then
[05:35] <Mez> Riddell: hmm... true
[05:36] <imbrandon> Riddell: sure we can becosue if they have -backports enabled then they ahve the new amarok tooo
[05:36] <Mez> but check a string >=1.4.2 (which could include SVN versions) is a large PITA
[05:36] <Mez> Riddell: plus we're going to get people moaning about it on other systems than ubuntu
[05:36] <Mez> Riddell: know any easy way to check the version number (which we can easily get as a qstring) is better
[05:36] <Riddell> imbrandon wins, just ignore people using old amarok
[05:37] <Mez> actually... wouldnt string comparison work ?
[05:37] <Riddell> amarok --version
[05:37] <imbrandon> is there a dcop way to get the version ?
[05:38] <Mez> dcop amarok player version
[05:39] <Mez> will return the version
[05:39] <Mez> but comparison check against it ....
[05:39] <Mez> imbrandon, can you do this please
[05:39] <Mez> dcop amarok collection query "select count(*) from admin where noption 
 = 'Database Devices Version'"
[05:40] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~$ dcop amarok collection query "select count(*) from admin where noption <maxx_k> = 'Database Devices Version'"
[05:40] <imbrandon> returns nothing
[05:40] <Mez> imbrandon, whoops
[05:40] <Mez> dcop amarok collection query "select count(*) from admin where noption = 'Database Devices Version'"
[05:41] <imbrandon> returns 1
[05:41] <Mez> sweet
[05:41] <Mez> that means you're using a dynamic collection
[05:42] <imbrandon> hehe ok
[05:44] <imbrandon> forgive me for being ignorant , i ahvent looked at a single line of katapult code but when you send the url cant you "dcop amarok player version" and do a if/else for amarok >=1.4.2 and still keep the old way for the other ?
[05:44] <imbrandon> Mez: ^^
[05:45] <imbrandon> i mean worst case convert the string to a int or someting easy to compare
[05:45] <imbrandon> etc
[05:45] <Mez> 1.4.2 = ! int
[05:45] <Mez> imbrandon : I'm planning on keeping the old way
[05:45] <imbrandon> okies ;)
[05:45] <Mez> dcop amarok collection query "select count(*) from admin where noption = 'Database Devices Version'"
[05:45] <Tonio_> imbrandon: how is the build going this time ?
[05:46] <Mez> returns 1 for >=1.4.2 0 for <1.4.2
[05:46] <imbrandon> Tonio_: looks like its gonna work this time
[05:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon: great
[05:46] <imbrandon> Tonio_: still building obviously ;)
[05:46] <Tonio_> same for me......
[05:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon: shouldn't we build from the same source package ?
[05:47] <imbrandon> Tonio_: i'm building from Riddell's and plan to do all the required ones for kubuntu.org once i make sure all the files are installed
[05:47] <imbrandon> soo yea its the same sources
[05:47] <Tonio_> imbrandon: no need that I finish the build then ?
[05:47] <imbrandon> Tonio_: nope , not unless you just want to
[05:47] <Tonio_> imbrandon: no ;)
[05:48] <Jucato> g'night abattoir, Hawkwind, imbrandon, Riddell, Tonio_
[05:48] <imbrandon> Tonio_: ;)
[05:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe
[05:50] <imbrandon> nixternal: i just know you want to go though my music collection and add all the album art ;) ( just teasin )
[05:51] <nixternal> i already did mine
[05:51] <nixternal> it wasn't fun
[05:51] <nixternal> i got to the point on some of them i just took the default ;)
[05:51] <imbrandon> heh
[05:52] <nixternal> was there a recent xorg update?
[05:52] <nixternal> when i rebooted, x didn't start up...no errors either, but i could alt+f1, get to cli, and then startx with no problem
[05:52] <nixternal> and now it looks like i am running 1600x1200, where as before 1600x1200 actually looked like 1280x1024
[05:52] <imbrandon> sounds like that kernel issue hobbsee had, but you two are the only ones to have noticed it
[05:53] <nixternal> actually..the kernel upgrade hasn't been done yet
[05:53] <nixternal> they were held back
[05:54] <imbrandon> heh i run 1600x1200 all the time ;)
[05:54] <imbrandon> and still not big enough, i need a big screen monitor
[05:54] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:54] <nixternal> i do too, or at least i thought i did
[05:54] <nixternal> this is a 21" sony
[05:55] <nixternal> i could still use more realestate
[05:55] <imbrandon> mine is a 20inch compaq something
[05:55] <nixternal> its a dually setup, the 2nd is a samsung syncmaster 955df
[05:55] <nixternal> which i would go right ahead and say was the best crt ever made
[06:37] <Mez> imbrandon/Riddell: ping
[06:37] <Riddell> hi
[06:37] <Mez> Riddell; once I've finished this patch for the katapult/amarok bug - will you push it to katapult ?
[06:38] <Mez> s/to katapult/to main/
[06:38] <Mez> It's a critical bugfix for edgy
[06:40] <Mez> bug 601363
[06:40] <Mez> bug 60136
[06:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60136 in katapult "Katapult doesn't work with Amarok >= 1.4.2" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60136
[06:40] <Riddell> for some definition of critical :)
[06:41] <Mez> Riddell .... huh ?
[06:41] <imbrandon> Mez: pong
[06:42] <imbrandon> as long as Riddell says its cool yea
[06:42] <imbrandon> gonna grab some food , bbiab
[06:42] <imbrandon> seaLne: woohoo , tell all the kde peeps hi ;)
[07:52] <imbrandon> wow koffice does take a while, 2.5 hours later still chugging along
[08:06] <Riddell> imbrandon: feel me pain :)
[08:10] <imbrandon> Riddell: hehehe
[08:23] <imbrandon> wow Riddell i was just reading about icecream
[08:23] <imbrandon> can that be used with packageing too ?
[08:24] <imbrandon> looks cool becouse of the cross compile stuff, i can make my ppc laptop use the x86 machines 
[08:24] <imbrandon> even though the ppc lappy is slow(er)
[08:25] <Riddell> imbrandon: it's hard to use, since setting make -j 5 in debian/rules will kill the buildds
[08:25] <imbrandon> ahh right
[08:25] <imbrandon> same problem with distcc
[08:26] <imbrandon> i seen some hacks to make hooks in pbuilder to dynamicly add it , but would probably run into the same problems
[08:30] <imbrandon> woot looks like koffice is finishing up
[08:31] <imbrandon> its running the install scripts ;)
[08:39] <kwwii> erm, in which package are the window buttons for kubuntu on dapper?
[08:39] <Riddell> kwwii: same one, kwin-style-crystal
[08:39] <Riddell> it'll be a patch in debian/patches
[08:41] <kwwii> Riddell: so what do I have to do to patch it?
[08:42] <kwwii> I bet I have done this three times already and still do not remember
[08:42] <Riddell> kwwii: just get the edgy sources and debuil them
[08:42] <Riddell> debuild
[08:43] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kwin-style-crystal/1.0.1-0ubuntu6
[08:44] <kwwii> Riddell: killer, thanks
[08:45] <Riddell> dpkg-source -x *dsc  to unpack those
[08:45] <kwwii> Riddell: actually, it seems that apt-get source does that for you already
[08:45] <kwwii> or?
[08:45] <Riddell> kwwii: if you're on dapper it'll get you the dapper sources
[08:46] <Riddell> but yes, it'll run dpkg-source -x for you
[08:46] <kwwii> Riddell: well, I just wanted to be able to put the new pics in the right dir and build it on dapper
[08:47] <kwwii> and debuild fails at that patch
[08:47] <kwwii> Trying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_01_branch.diff at level 0...1...2...failure.
[08:47] <kwwii> make: *** [debian/stamp-patched]  Error 1
[08:48] <Riddell> kwwii: try getting the edgy sources and compiling normally with your new images
[08:48] <Riddell> edgy should take the images and do the right thing, dapper needed manual compiling of the images
[08:48] <danimo> kwwii: nice artwork. me likey!
[08:49] <kwwii> danimo: cool, good to hear it!
[08:50] <Riddell> ok, I'm off to ireland, see you there
[08:50] <kwwii> see you tomorrow
[08:50] <kwwii> have a safe trip
[08:50] <danimo> bye Riddell
[08:51] <danimo> kwwii: when is your flight?
[08:51] <kwwii> tomorrow from frankfurt at 16:20
[08:51] <kwwii> danimo: you won't be at akademy this year?
[08:51] <danimo> kwwii: no, I have exams pending next week
[08:51] <kwwii>  oh, tooo bad
[08:52] <danimo> kwwii: the last one on friday
[08:52] <danimo> kwwii: so all of akademy is spoiled
[08:52] <kwwii> guess those are more important
[08:52] <danimo> kwwii: I will be at the anniversary party in stuttgart though
[08:52] <kwwii> cool
[08:52] <danimo> kwwii: yeah, me too, otherwise I wouldn't be sitting here ;)
[08:53] <danimo> kwwii: waiting for friends to call that I was _supposed_ to meet tonight
[08:53] <kwwii> ;-)
[08:58] <imbrandon> kwwii: you just want this for your self ?
[08:59] <imbrandon> ( the artwork )
[08:59] <kwwii> imbrandon: I built it already
[08:59] <kwwii> imbrandon: trying to get my laptop to look like edgy even though it is dapper
[08:59] <imbrandon> ahh ok, i was gonna say i could make a dapper deb for ya ;)
[08:59] <kwwii> so that I can show it to mark :-)
[08:59] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[09:00] <imbrandon>  Riddell should have a edgy lappy there
[09:00] <kwwii> yeah, but his laptop looks ugly
[09:00] <kwwii> :p
[09:00] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:00] <imbrandon> make sure and use the pannel image ;)
[09:00] <imbrandon> and update your dapper to kde 3.5.4 ;)
[09:00] <kwwii> yeah, I think mark will like that a lot
[09:01] <kwwii> kde 3.5.4 is running on it
[09:01] <imbrandon> i showed you those screenshots dident i ?
[09:02] <kwwii> yeah
[09:02] <kwwii> I make my osx look like linux a lot
[09:02] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:02] <kwwii> :-)
[09:02] <imbrandon> yea i did that too
[09:02] <imbrandon> at one time
[09:02] <imbrandon> but i dident like it quite as much
[09:03] <imbrandon> seemed to "right" hehe
[09:03] <kwwii> hehe
[09:03] <imbrandon> i had / have the xp theme down to where to honestly cant tell your on kde
[09:03] <imbrandon> except for the app names
[09:04] <kwwii> hehe, my problem is that I do not know XP at all
[09:04] <imbrandon> i mean pixle for pixle , windeco, menus , startbar etc
[09:05] <kwwii> I actually like the idea of a bigger start menu button
[09:06] <imbrandon> yea
[09:27] <two-face> anyone awake in here?
[09:27] <fdoving> partly.
[09:28] <DaSkreech> Now there is
[09:28] <two-face> kubuntu knot3 fails at boot time for me, right after the initrd gets unpacked
[09:30] <DaSkreech> Installed or Live CD?
[09:31] <two-face> liveCD
[09:32] <imbrandon> try with acpi=off as a kern option 
[09:32] <imbrandon> afk heading to the store
[09:33] <two-face> acpi would cause such a mess?
[09:33] <two-face> hmm
[09:34] <imbrandon> two-face: yup , it does on one of my hp's
[09:45] <two-face> anyone booted knot3 with nforce4 ?
[09:47] <jdong> nvidia mobos... *shudder*
[09:48] <imbrandon> two-face: yea i have no problems with mine
[09:48] <imbrandon> jdong: what ?
[09:48] <jdong> imbrandon: I've had bad *nix luck with nforce chipsets
[09:49] <jdong> imbrandon: my nforce3 shuttle boots linux fine, but pukes on all BSD variants
[09:49] <imbrandon> jdong: i'm sorry, i've had great lick with them
[09:49] <two-face> imbrandon: sata_nv driver
[09:49] <jdong> imbrandon: maybe it's shuttle's fault then... or the BIOS
[09:49] <jdong> ACPI behaves erratically with non-modern linux kernels, too
[09:50] <two-face> it is a shuttle
[09:50] <imbrandon> and i can assume you debuged them and submitted reports too ? 
[09:50] <jdong> imbrandon: who, me?
[09:50] <imbrandon> jdong: yes, you would be the one complaining ;)
[09:51] <jdong> I found the exact kernel panic tracebacks on freebsd mailing lists, and it's apparently fixed in 7-current
[09:51] <imbrandon> ahh great , then whats the problem ?
[09:51] <jdong> imbrandon: 7-current is, umm, 7-current, not 6-stable :)
[09:52] <imbrandon> jdong: and ? just means it hasent been widely tested yet, you cant expect things to be out in 30 minutes ;)
[09:52] <jdong> imbrandon: bottom line, I am not 100% inclined to worship nvidia mobos as linux friendly, unlike their GPU's
[09:52] <jdong> imbrandon: and from what I gather on lkml, nvidia wasn't too friendly with forcedeth and sata_nv's development
[09:52] <imbrandon> ok , and bottom line was that earlier comment was in no way constructive
[09:52] <gnuton> Hi
[09:52] <jdong> in fact, I don't think sata_nv will get NCQ support for that reason
[09:52] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:53] <imbrandon> hello gnuton 
[09:53] <jdong> oh great, imbrandon is forcing all of my comments to be constructive
[09:53] <gnuton> hellp imbrandon, jdong! 
[09:53] <imbrandon> jdong: no , but it helpes when someone is asking for help
[09:53] <gnuton> hello, soory :)
[09:53] <imbrandon> i'm not forcing anything
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[09:54] <Tm_T> ok
[09:54] <jdong> gnuton: what's up
[09:54] <two-face> what componant do I need to file a bug against?
[09:54] <imbrandon> two-face: depends on the problem 
[09:54] <Tonio_> can someone confirm that bug : kopete crashes when clicking on a http link ?
[09:54] <imbrandon> whats going on ?
[09:55] <two-face> imbrandon: the one i described
[09:55] <imbrandon> and i asked did you try the acpi thing ?
[09:55] <two-face> imbrandon: didn't work
[09:55] <two-face> imbrandon: well, at least I could read the error this time
[09:55] <jdong> two-face: most likely it's gonna be against linux-source-2.6.17
[09:55] <imbrandon> whats the error ?
[09:56] <two-face> imbrandon: IRQ 10 disabled, but I coud see "[sata_nv] "
[09:56] <two-face> jdong: ok
[09:56] <imbrandon> ok , but again what was the error
[09:56] <two-face> jdong: through launchpad?
[09:56] <jdong> two-face: you're gonna have to get a more descriptive error mesage first
[09:57] <two-face> imbrandon: there was no real error message, only 4 lines of kernel output which I did not write down
[09:57] <jdong> two-face: you need to boot your kernel verbosely then
[09:57] <two-face> jdong: I'll try to reproduce
[09:57] <two-face> jdong: what parameter for this?
[09:58] <imbrandon> two-face: ok write them down and file a bug against the kernel-source , thats the best you can hope for without more info
[09:58] <jdong> verbose maybe?
[09:58] <imbrandon> no
[09:58] <jdong> noquiet? ;)
[09:58] <imbrandon> you take the quite off the kernel parms
[09:58] <jdong> can you do that with gfxboot?
[09:58] <jdong> I didn't recall it exposing the cmdline
[09:58] <imbrandon> sure
[09:58] <two-face> imbrandon:ok
[09:59] <imbrandon> you hit f6 at the menu just like the onscreen options say
[09:59] <fdoving> hmm.. guidance mountconfig kcm module doesn't work.
[09:59] <jdong> seems to boot fine here
[09:59] <fdoving> the standalone 'mountconfig' program works though.
[09:59] <jdong> but I have IDE hard drives
[10:01] <two-face> ok i'll try that
[10:01] <two-face> BBL
[10:02] <Tonio_> can someone please confirm bug 61930
[10:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61930 in kopete "Freeze when clicking a URL." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61930
[10:03] <jdong> grr, that requires me to go into kde and kopete
[10:03] <jdong> brb
[10:04] <jdong> now, all I need is a url... via kopete
[10:04] <jdong> anyone want to gmail-prod me or something?
[10:04] <Tonio_> jdong: anthony.mercatante@jabber.fr
[10:05] <imbrandon> gmail == jabber silly
[10:05] <Tonio_> gmail and jabber are compatible aren't they ?
[10:05] <jdong> Tonio_: same protocol , idfferent network , I thought
[10:05] <imbrandon> nope
[10:05] <jdong> nvm, got one
[10:05] <jdong> all I have to do is talk to myself :)
[10:05] <Tonio_> jdong I think the networks are linked now
[10:05] <Tonio_> a few month ago :)
[10:06] <jdong> Tonio_: works
[10:06] <jdong> opened up in my browser just fine
[10:06] <imbrandon> works fine here too
[10:06] <Tonio_> okay let's talk to me somehow :)
[10:06] <jdong> k
[10:06] <Tonio_> hum.......
[10:06] <Tonio_> strange........
[10:06] <Tonio_> very strange
[10:06] <Tonio_> edgy up to date ?
[10:06] <imbrandon> yes
[10:06] <imbrandon> bbiab
[10:06] <Tonio_> okay so I assume my profile has an issue
[10:07] <Tonio_> it is not kopete config since I already removed it
[10:07] <jdong> using up to date edgy
[10:07] <jdong> and you are offline apparently
[10:07] <Tonio_> okay so that's local issue........ I should have wait before reporting
[10:07] <Tonio_> jdong my kopete just crashed, hehe
[10:08] <jdong> LOL
[10:08] <Tonio_> okay now I see you
[10:08] <Tonio_> I didn't restart since this morning's kdebase update.......; maybe that can explain
[10:08] <Tonio_> let's restart kde
[10:09] <jdong> but with imbrandon around, 
[10:09] <jdong> I'll keep that amusement to myself
[10:12] <jdong> so how'd it go, Tonio_?
[10:12] <Tonio_> it works......... I just had to reload kde.......
[10:12] <Tonio_> weird
[10:13] <jdong> weird
[10:13] <imbrandon> kdebase update *cough*
[10:19] <imbrandon> sell ya my ibook 
[10:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:21] <jdong> pfft :)
[10:21] <jdong> btw, how do I get kopete to be a bit more aggressive in maintaining a connection?
[10:21] <jdong> after about 20 hours it tends to lose its connectivity , and doesn't attempt to reconnect on its own
[10:22] <jdong> gaim also loses the connection at the same intervals, but it reconnects on its own
[10:22] <imbrandon> dunno i dont use it
[10:22] <jdong> :-/
[10:22] <imbrandon> i'm sure its a setting in the config
[10:23] <imbrandon> poke arround ;)
[10:23] <jdong> hehehe, that's almost as much fun as searching for weird phrases in the apt database
[10:47] <imbrandon> grrrrrrrrrr
[10:56] <kwwii> man changing dapper to look like edgy is a lot of work
[10:57] <kwwii> and you really see the difference
[10:57] <imbrandon> heh
[10:58] <fdoving> is it alot of work to move the kubuntu part of the edgy usplash to the left so that the beginning of the K alligns with the start of the progressbar?
[11:01] <kwwii> ahhh, where is Tonio
[11:01] <kwwii> imbrandon: do you have the latest updates for edgy?
[11:01] <imbrandon> yup
[11:01] <kwwii> do your inactive windows get transparent?
[11:02] <imbrandon> no
[11:02] <kwwii> whew
[11:02] <kwwii> cool
[11:02] <imbrandon> thats turned off by default iirc cuz it dont work well with all vid cards
[11:02] <kwwii> yeah
[11:02] <kwwii> and I was afraid I put it back in with my change to kwincrystalrc
[11:03] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:05] <kwwii> man, I did a lot of work recently :p
[11:05] <kwwii> the panelbg looks great with the window deco gradients, I think
[11:06] <kwwii> mark wanted to do that with gnome and everyone complained
[11:06] <imbrandon> heh yea i like it alot
[11:06] <imbrandon> adds that extra polish
[11:06] <imbrandon> and hell its not like it takes up cpu or soemthing
[11:08] <kwwii> I think that we should turn the shadowed text in the titlebar back on though
[11:08] <kwwii> it looks much better on my laptop
[11:08] <imbrandon> hrm i like it both ways
[11:08] <imbrandon> heh
[11:08] <kwwii> and on my laptop the active window deco looks totally blue
[11:08] <kwwii> not purple at all
[11:08] <imbrandon> on edgy it looks grey
[11:09] <imbrandon> on both my lappy and desktop
[11:09] <kwwii> the active window? the inactive window should look almost gray
[11:09] <imbrandon> ohh yea the inactive
[11:09] <imbrandon> yea the active on a lcd looks a little bluer but imho it looks better
[11:10] <imbrandon> just gives that hint of purple
[11:10] <imbrandon> gradient looks better on the lcd too
[11:11] <kwwii> actually, I like them better on my other mac :p
[11:11] <kwwii> thank god I did not make this theme on the laptop
[11:11] <kwwii> and now I know why the earlier stuff was "way too purple" for people
[11:11] <ryanakca> ?
[11:11] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:12] <imbrandon> seem to work here ryanakca infact i was just listening to mine
[11:12] <ryanakca> wierd...
[11:13] <ryanakca> I get the "This feature is only available to Last.fm subscribers"... 
[11:13] <imbrandon> did you put your lastfm account info in ?
[11:13] <ryanakca> imbrandon: yep :)
[11:13] <imbrandon> did you upgrade and not reboot ?
[11:14] <ryanakca> it's a fresh install... right off the knot 3 CD
[11:14] <imbrandon> and you have updated correct ?
[11:14] <ryanakca> yes
[11:14] <imbrandon> and rebooted since 
[11:14] <imbrandon> correct ?
[11:14] <ryanakca> I believe so
[11:14] <imbrandon> make sure , you get weird bugs when you update without rebooting kde
[11:15] <ryanakca> yes.. I did... I can rereboot though...
[11:15] <ryanakca> imbrandon: does killing X count? I've done that several times as well
[11:15] <kwwii> hell, on edgy you get wierd bugs sometimes even though you restart :p
[11:16] <ryanakca> brb then
[11:16] <imbrandon> lol
[11:16] <ryanakca> meh... it's what I get for living on the edgy of insanity
[11:17] <imbrandon> ahh i see what he was doing
[11:17] <imbrandon> hahaha
[11:17] <kwwii> is there some way to configure a printer?
[11:18] <imbrandon> kwwii: in the system setting , but i dunno /how/
[11:18] <imbrandon> but i know you can
[11:18] <kwwii> I have an HP printer and when I click on the Printers icon in systemsettings it terminates after a long pause
[11:18] <imbrandon> oh wow 
[11:18] <imbrandon> hrm
[11:18] <nixternal> that is a last.fm stream ;)
[11:19] <imbrandon> nixternal: yea he was trying to play a persoanl stream , i tried it and got the message
[11:19] <imbrandon> its only for paying lastfm members
[11:19] <nixternal> ahh
[11:19] <nixternal> oh ya..that stuff
[11:19] <nixternal> dude...banff, ab is absolutely beautiful
[11:19] <nixternal> i want to move here
[11:20] <imbrandon> ryanakca: you were trying to play the "personal" one right ?
[11:20] <imbrandon> ryanakca: click engage --> lastfm --> group tag --> station , that works, the personal is for paying subscribers only as it states ;)
[11:21] <ryanakca> imbrandon: ah...
[11:22] <imbrandon> well when you said "anymore ..." i thought you had done it before
[11:22] <imbrandon> silly
[11:23] <kwwii>  ryanakca: don't worry - the only people who care about that stuff are very young :p
[11:23] <ryanakca> kwwii: *cough* *cough*
[11:24] <kwwii> my first day at suse I turned my computer off before I left...the next day I was yelled at
[11:24] <ryanakca> lol
[11:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:24] <kwwii> in the end I sat in a room with like 7 computers running all the time
[11:25] <kwwii> I *had* to listen to music
[11:25] <kwwii> or would have gone crazy
[11:25] <ryanakca> hmmm... it's playing... but I don't hear anything.. and I'm not deaf (surprisingly, after all that bagpiping), nor are my speakers on mute
[11:25] <ryanakca> kwwii: lol
[11:29] <kwwii> ryanakca: I just had an issue in which I had to add the right kernel module to get my sound working
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have the solution for kdeprint issue :)
[11:29] <Tonio_> 4 days searching for this..........
[11:29] <kwwii> Tonio_: Riddell is off to Dublin
[11:29] <Tonio_> kwwii: okay
[11:29] <ryanakca> kwwii: you aren't the only one who had that problem... someone else was talking to me about it... forget who though
[11:29] <Tonio_> kwwii: is there a plan for a usplash background ? black is a bit .......... too black
[11:30] <kwwii> Tonio_: we could put it on a solid color
[11:30] <kwwii> perhaps #6569ae
[11:30] <Tonio_> kwwii: we can try
[11:30] <Tonio_> kwwii: isn't a real background image possible technically ?
[11:30] <Tonio_> just asking :)
[11:30] <kwwii> Tonio_: only if I would use a simple logo
[11:31] <ryanakca> kwwii: see... kde notifications work... just not my music in amarok, or BBC threw FF
[11:31] <Tonio_> kwwii: because of 256 colors ?
[11:31] <kwwii> Tonio_: yepp
[11:31] <Tonio_> how many are you using currently ?
[11:31] <kwwii> 256 colors for both the bg pic and the progress bar
[11:31] <Tonio_> response : 256
[11:31] <Tonio_> hehe
[11:31] <Tonio_> okay
[11:31] <Tonio_> let's try a background color......
[11:35] <kwwii> Tonio_: do you know if the stuff I posted yesterday was included?
[11:36] <kwwii> I really hope that we get the 640x480 theme in by beta, but Seveas had to make the code for it first
[11:37] <DaSkreech> Hmm My edgy is only shoing half of the progress bar for installation
[11:38] <Tonio_> kwwii: dunno, which stuff ?
[11:38] <kwwii> Tonio_: the usplash with the smaller logo
[11:38] <Tonio_> kwwii: I'm about to upload new kds, so it is the moment to include it I think :)
[11:38] <Tonio_> kwwii: I don't think so, let me check
[11:38] <kwwii> I think Jonthan did it last night
[11:38] <DaSkreech> Who does ubiquity for KDE?
[11:38] <kwwii> sime
[11:38] <kwwii> erm
[11:39] <Tonio_> * Improved uspash images from Ken Wimmer
[11:39] <Tonio_> kwwii: by imbrandon
[11:39] <Tonio_> today
[11:39] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: riddell
[11:39] <imbrandon> Tonio_: that was yesterday ;)
[11:39] <kwwii> ahhhhhhhh!!!!! NOOOOOO!!!!!
[11:39] <imbrandon> and yea i put your usplash images in 
[11:40] <kwwii> he spelt my name incorrect :p
[11:40] <imbrandon> ouch whoops
[11:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon: so you did it ?
[11:40] <Tonio_> yeah okay today, yesterday, that's the same.
[11:40] <Tonio_> It is done :)
[11:40] <kwwii> Kenneth Wesley Wimer II
[11:40] <kwwii> therefor kwwii
[11:40] <imbrandon> kwwii: FWIW i copied it from a Riddell changelog entry ;)
[11:40] <kwwii> haha
[11:40] <kwwii> I'll get that scottish bastard
[11:41] <imbrandon> lol
[11:41] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Ah Cool
[11:41] <kwwii> make him buy me a drink
[11:41] <imbrandon> i wondered what the hell kwwii  was hehe
[11:41] <Seveas> Kenneth William Wimer II
[11:41] <imbrandon> i always thought of the green fruit
[11:41] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:41] <kwwii> lots of people from the gnome-side-of-life often think that it means K World War II
[11:42] <Seveas> LOL
[11:42] <Tonio_> kwwii: LOL
[11:42] <Seveas> btw: I'll be proposing another radical but neccessary usplash change when mjg59 is awake
[11:42] <kwwii> Seveas: did you have a chance to look into the 640x480 theme?
[11:42] <Seveas> to save space on the livecd
[11:42] <Seveas> kwwii, not yet
[11:42] <kwwii> Seveas: cool, let me at it :-)
[11:42] <kwwii> I guess the beta is frozen by now
[11:42] <Seveas> today was so hectic, I didn't even get to blog about eurooscon
[11:43] <imbrandon> kwwii: yea it is 
[11:43] <Tonio_> okay kdeprint issue resolved :)
[11:43] <Tonio_> _Sime_: ping ?
[11:43] <_Sime_> hi
[11:44] <Tonio_> _Sime_: just wanted to make a point with the patches fopr media/
[11:44] <Tonio_> _Sime_: nothing I can do to help ?
[11:45] <_Sime_> I don't understand. what are you trying to say?
[11:45] <jdong> _Sime_: regarding my feedback on KubuntuKDEMedia, is getting the umount progress dialog back planned?
[11:45] <jdong> IMO that's quite an important safety feature
[11:45] <_Sime_> jdong: I haven't removed it. So I don't know what is happening there....
[11:46] <jdong> _Sime_: can you reproduce that it's no longer there?
[11:46] <jdong> or do I just have a screwed up system? :)
[11:46] <Tonio_> _Sime_: is there a way I can test or help you to improve this ?
[11:46] <_Sime_> jdong: I don't think I've ever seen it. :-/
[11:46] <jdong> hmm
[11:46] <Tonio_> _Sime_: is there a bug I can investigate .
[11:46] <jdong> Tonio_: how about the unmounting issue I speak of
[11:46] <_Sime_> I don't see it when I eject a CD. or with my usb thingy.
[11:46] <Tonio_> jdong, let me read :)
[11:47] <jdong> Tonio_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEMedia, feedback, #2
[11:47] <jdong> _Sime_: likewise; but dapper definitely has it :)
[11:47] <_Sime_> maybe it only shows up when there is a lot of data to write back before unmounting.
[11:47] <Tonio_> jdong let me try to reproduce
[11:47] <jdong> _Sime_: umm, it never shows up :)
[11:47] <_Sime_> a lot if dialogs in KDE have small time delays built in.
[11:47] <Tonio_> _Sime_: true
[11:48] <_Sime_> so that they don't flicker on the screen.
[11:48] <jdong> _Sime_: the worst-case scenario I had was after unmount, it took a silent 30 seconds to fully sync
[11:48] <Tonio_> it happens only when you are copying big amount of datas to the usb disk
[11:48] <jdong> with 400MB of data in write cache
[11:48] <jdong> and no progress dialog ever came up
[11:48] <Tonio_> _Sime_, jdong I'm trying to reproduce
[11:49] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I can confirm
[11:50] <jdong> hmm, if that's the case perhaps this should go into launchpad
[11:50] <_Sime_> I haven't changed anything there. But I think Riddell might have.
[11:50] <jdong> where it can be properly marked and tracked
[11:50] <Tonio_> jdong maybe that kde 3.5.4 bug and not _Sime_ patches issue
[11:50] <jdong> I really don't want to see Edgy release with this serious a bug
[11:50] <_Sime_> didn't Riddell add a kind of firefox download manager thingy?
[11:51] <jdong> Tonio_: right; perhaps it isn't _Sime_'s fault at all
[11:51] <jdong> Tonio_: I could've sworn that dapper + kubuntu.org kde-354 worked
[11:51] <_Sime_> Tonio_: you know what I am talking about?
[11:51] <_Sime_> Tonio_: Riddell was planning in paris to add that for edgy.
[11:52] <Tonio_> _Sime_: nope, I never heard about this
[11:52] <ryanakca> _Sime_: dunno... just popping into the conversation... I know there's an extension for FF that's for FF + KGet...
[11:52] <_Sime_> I'm not sure if it was completed.
[11:52] <Tonio_> firefox download manager ?
[11:52] <_Sime_> ryanakca: I'm talking about how FF uses 1 window to show the progress of mulitple downloads.'
[11:52] <_Sime_> Riddell wanted the same idea for kioslaves and KDE.
[11:53] <ryanakca> _Sime_: ah, kindof like opera?
[11:53] <Tonio_> jdong what would be interesting is asking people on dapper to guess if the issue is on _Sime_'s patches or not
[11:53] <Tonio_> _Sime_: you can add kget
[11:53] <_Sime_> I'm not talking about kget.
[11:53] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yeah I know but the result is about the same.....;
[11:53] <fdoving> _Sime_: i think the file copy/download dialogs has been on his todo for a long time.
[11:54] <jdong> Tonio_: I filed bug 61946 so we don't forget about the issue....
[11:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "umount progress dialog missing in Edgy" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61946
[11:55] <_Sime_> I don't know if it actually got into edgy..
[11:55] <jdong> perferably I'd like to see it marked at a higher priority, too
[11:55] <Tonio_> jdong okay
[11:55] <Tonio_> jdong indeed that's very annoying
[11:56] <Tonio_> I just tried and I removed the key since no popup and I lost the content
[11:56] <jdong> Tonio_: yeah, indeed data loss is a real possibility
[11:56] <Tonio_> yup
[11:57] <Tonio_> jdong checked kde bts ?
[11:57] <jdong> Tonio_: no, the kde bts scares me :)
[11:57] <ryanakca> btw?
[11:57] <ryanakca> bts?
[11:57] <_Sime_> Tonio_: if you have got nothing else to do this weekend, you could remove riddell's patch for the kio dialogs and see if that fixes the problem.
[11:57] <jdong> ryanakca: bug tracker system
[11:57] <ryanakca> ah
[11:58] <Tonio_> _Sime_: true, will do
[11:58] <Tonio_> _Sime_: let me check which patch is it
[11:58] <_Sime_> I can't find the spec page for it...
[11:58] <Tonio_> _Sime_: kdelibs patch I assume ?
[11:58] <_Sime_> probably yes
[12:01] <Tonio_> _Sime_: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/16 this patch
[12:01] <Tonio_> _Sime_: is that patch of any use since media:/ is not used anymore ?
[12:02] <_Sime_> I don't know what it does exactly. But it does not sound like the patch we are looking for.
[12:03] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hum...
[12:03] <_Sime_> I just thought of something.
[12:04] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yes ?
[12:04] <_Sime_> Try that unmount test again, except this time open up media:/ and unmount it via media:/.
[12:04] <Tonio_> _Sime_: but how ?
[12:04] <Tonio_> it's the desktop icon ;)
[12:04] <Tonio_> ah! let me check, I understand what you mean
[12:04] <_Sime_> context menu?
[12:05] <_Sime_> (I think that might be broken now.... media:/ i mean).
[12:05] <_Sime_> I'm going to bed now. I'll try to have a look at this stuff this weekend.
[12:06] <Tonio_> _Sime_: same issue
[12:06] <Tonio_> so that probably not due to your patches
[12:06] <_Sime_> doesn't work?
[12:06] <Tonio_> no
[12:07] <Tonio_> jdong_: you can reproduce the test, I get the same issue working in media:/
[12:07] <Tonio_> _Sime_: so the last big issue is the /media/cdrom0 empty I assume ?
[12:08] <Tonio_> _Sime_: when did riddell add the patch ?
[12:08] <Tonio_> I don't find it
[12:09] <Tonio_> kubuntu_57_nomediaioslave_fileio.diff maybe this one.......
[12:11] <ryanakca> what file provides those little bars with polka dots on them that appear when you have your panel unlocked? it's vertical... has a black arrow on to top of it...