[12:11] <horacio> lupine_85: and if you dont know about what are you speacking, shut up
[12:12] <horacio> :)
[12:12] <Hawkwind> Xcalibur: ipkungfu is a great firewall
[12:12] <lupine_85> hehe, love you too
[12:12] <Hawkwind> Xcalibur: It's available with apt-get too.
[12:12] <lupine_85> you're right, it isn't a distro
[12:12] <Zaire> lupine_85: http://pastebin.ca/179095
[12:13] <Xcalibur> I just typed in sudo apt get install firestarter, it's installing, if I don't get it to work, I'll go with ipkungfu
[12:13] <Zaire> if you want a distro there's also smoothwall
[12:13] <lupine_85> Zaire: [/usr/src/linux/include]  is wrong. It should be /usr/src/linux-2.6.15-27-386/include
[12:13] <keldon85> !java
[12:13] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[12:13] <Zaire> however its for a dedicated box to be used as a hardware firewall
[12:13] <lupine_85> the "linux" symlink is deprecated, and shouldn't be used
[12:14] <Zaire> ah ic I try lol
[12:14] <wooptydoo> Anyone get XGL working?
[12:14] <wooptydoo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl?highlight=%28xgl%29
[12:14] <wooptydoo> is what I am following
[12:14] <lupine_85> #ubuntu-xgl for that though
[12:14] <Zaire> me tried not so successful lol
[12:15] <keldon85> hi, i have noticed a serious error in the instructions for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[12:15] <lupine_85> good fun, but eats RAM like it's muesli
[12:15] <wooptydoo> And it aint working
[12:15] <wooptydoo> got another site I can go to?
[12:15] <lupine_85> keldon85: so register and change it. It's a wiki :)
[12:15] <keldon85> oh!
[12:15] <wooptydoo> Well I typed in kubuntu XGL
[12:15] <Zaire> lol thats what I figured but I just wanted to see what it looked like rather then look at the screen shots
[12:15] <lupine_85> wooptydoo: post in #ubuntu-xgl and someone will help fix your problem
[12:15] <wooptydoo> on the kubuntu site
[12:15] <wooptydoo> wow
[12:16] <wooptydoo> there is a channel for it
[12:16] <wooptydoo> thanks a million
[12:16] <Zaire> ok that directory didn't work either lol
[12:17] <Dragnslcr> I have a wav file that plays fine in KWave, sounds bad in Kaffeine, and doesn't play at all as a notification sound in apps (Kopete, Konversation)
[12:17] <Dragnslcr> Any ideas on fixing it and/or converting it to a different format?
[12:17] <Zaire> try xmms
[12:17] <lupine_85> Zaire: pastebin? Also, maybe /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386/build/include would work for you
[12:18] <lupine_85> is this the latest version of vmware-workstation, by the way?
[12:18] <Zaire> yep
[12:18] <lupine_85> the configure scripts for older versions were hopeless at this particular step
[12:18] <Xcalibur> whats a good firewall to block connections that are inbound
[12:18] <Xcalibur> I'm trying to use it for xbox live bridging
[12:18] <Zaire> a linksys router lol
[12:19] <sorush20> is my computer leaking its ip to every one?
[12:19] <Zaire> there we go
[12:19] <Dragnslcr> Zaire- can xmms convert the file to something that notifications can handle?
[12:19] <rawr> ahh how many things must I screw up my computer still i am happy.
[12:19] <Xcalibur> firestarter won't allow me to block connections for inbound
[12:19] <rawr> times*
[12:19] <LeeJunFan> sorush20: yeah, and it's getting all over the place - what a frikin mess.
[12:19] <Zaire> ummm not that I know of
[12:19] <Zaire> Im not sure if k audio creator would though it might
[12:20] <lupine_85> Dragnslcr: mencoder might do it
[12:20] <Zaire> or that
[12:20] <lupine_85> sorush: 82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk
[12:20] <lupine_85> ywa
[12:20] <lupine_85> yes*
[12:20] <Dragnslcr> Zaire- KWave supposedly can convert it, but I keep getting unhelpful error messages when I try saving as ogg
[12:20] <lupine_85> not exactly "leaking", though, since it's an integral part of the Internet to allow your IP to be shown off
[12:20] <Zaire> lol such is the world of linux you never know what will happen next lol
[12:20] <lupine_85> mind you, blueyonder's rdns is often too revealing for it's own good
[12:21] <sorush20> LeeJunFan: are you messing with me ? how do I fix this?
[12:21] <Zaire> thanks lupin_85 Vm is now configured lol
[12:21] <lupine_85> cool :)
[12:21] <lupine_85> sorush20: you can't "fix" it
[12:21] <lupine_85> freenode doesn't allow you to connect from a proxy
[12:21] <LeeJunFan> sorush20: yes, I'm messing with you. Every packet your computer sends out has to have your IP attached to it so it knows how to get back. There's nothing "broken".
[12:21] <lupine_85> if you don't give our your IP address, nobody can return packets to you
[12:21] <deadsoul> How to open wma formatted files in Kubuntu?
[12:21] <Zaire> now I just have to see how good the vmware vid card is for battle field 2 lol
[12:21] <lupine_85> formatted as...?
[12:21] <deadsoul> wma
[12:21] <rawr> just use amarok
[12:22] <lupine_85> Zaire: hopeless :)
[12:22] <deadsoul> ok thanks
[12:22] <rawr> i am playing wma formated iron maiden right now
[12:22] <Zaire> well atleast for my nero need it should work
[12:22] <deadsoul> But it is movie
[12:22] <deadsoul> Will it work?
[12:22] <OOD> move is wmv
[12:22] <OOD> movie*
[12:22] <lupine_85> deadsoul: no :). that's wmv. you'll need w32codecs and mplayer/kaffeine... assuming you have a 32-bit kernel
[12:23] <Zaire> ummm theres a restricted format you have to get
[12:23] <rawr> oh yes.
[12:23] <sorush20> LeeJunFan: I've just become paranoid about security..
[12:23] <Zaire> !restricted
[12:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:23] <rawr> that thingy.
[12:23] <lupine_85> if not, get a 32-bit chroot going, and optionally use mencoder to change the format
[12:23] <h3sp4wn> sorush20: Use openbsd then
[12:23] <deadsoul> Oh, sorry. Yeah it was wmv. Thanks for the help ...
[12:23] <Zaire> wget -c http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/pool/dapper/non-free/w32codecs_20060611-1plf1_i386.deb
[12:23] <rawr> if you have windows dual booted you can just convert the movie first
[12:23] <Samuli^> has anyone else noticed that amarok playing last.fm doesn't sound as good as last.fm player?
[12:23] <deadsoul> thanks a lot
[12:23] <lupine_85> ooooh free pr0n :)
[12:23] <Zaire> you need to do that line I sent in cli
[12:23] <deadsoul> :D
[12:25] <Dragnslcr> Are there any special settings (bit rate, etc.) that I need to set on a wav file to convert it to ogg?
[12:25] <lupine_85> not really
[12:25] <OOD> nope
[12:25] <OOD> wav is lossless
[12:25] <deadsoul> Thanks a lot Zaire, rawr and ubotu. It worked.
[12:25] <Dragnslcr> I keep getting "One or more encoding parameters are not supported"
[12:25] <lupine_85> 192kbps is generally a good tradeoff between size and quality
[12:25] <Zaire> no probs :)
[12:25] <lupine_85> do you have oggenc installed?
[12:25] <lupine_85> !oggenc
[12:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oggenc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <lupine_85> erm, 1 second
[12:26] <sinpath> ok need a little help finding the right modle on the add printer wizerd
[12:26] <isaac_> hello doesany of u knows a newbies manual to enable wifi, iam using a dell 1370 and ubuntu 6.06
[12:27] <Zaire> hmmmm printer is a pain lol I haven't added mine in yet but it took me a min to figure it out the first time
[12:27] <Dragnslcr> lupine_85- I do have libogg0 installed, if that's what you're looking for
[12:27] <isaac_> hello doesany of u knows a newbies manual to enable wifi, iam using a dell 1370 and ubuntu 6.06
[12:27] <lupine_85> !vorbis-tools
[12:27] <ubotu> vorbis-tools: several Ogg Vorbis tools. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.1-3 (dapper), package size 90 kB, installed size 724 kB
[12:28] <sinpath> it has the manufacturer but not the modle
[12:28] <lupine_85> Dragnslcr: install that
[12:28] <lupine_85> sinpath: 1300 didn't work?
[12:28] <OOD> libogg isn;t what you want
[12:28] <sinpath> nope
[12:28] <OOD> that's for compiling apps that require ogg support
[12:28] <Dragnslcr> lupine_85- vorbis-tools is also installed
[12:28] <LeeJunFan> I guess windows Vista is so huge it is no longer vulnerable to worms, instead it gets infected with graboids.
[12:29] <Zvezdichko> lol
[12:29] <OOD> graboids?
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> Tremors - the movie.
[12:29] <sinpath> oh hold on it seems my printer has an error >.<
[12:30] <lupine_85> :)
[12:30] <Dragnslcr> I just find it odd that KWave, Kaffeine, and notifications all seem to handle wav files differently
[12:30] <rawr> Tremors was awesome
[12:30] <lupine_85> it's basically raw data, so the programs have to make certain decisions about it
[12:30] <rawr> and so was that refernce
[12:30] <lupine_85> you can use oggenc directly... I'm just looking for the options you need
[12:31] <keldon85> hiiii need serious help
[12:31] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, but I would think they'd all pass it off to the same audio processing system
[12:31] <rawr> visa when released fully will be full of ass-blasters
[12:31] <MasterEvilAce> whats happening
[12:31] <lupine_85> Dragnslcr: linux has so many different audio processing systems... ;)
[12:31] <lupine_85> ok, you want "oggenc infile.wav -q 6 -o out.ogg"
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> rawr: haha!
[12:31] <keldon85> i'm trying to install sun-java, but now the installation has reached the point when it needs input for the 'i agree' statement
[12:31] <isaac_> hello doesany of u knows a newbies manual to enable wifi, iam using a dell 1370 and ubuntu 6.06
[12:32] <lupine_85> change -q as appropriate (6 is highest quality, 1 is lowest)
[12:32] <MasterEvilAce> Rawr: how in the world did you manage to register that name
[12:32] <lupine_85> !wifi
[12:32] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:32] <Zaire> java is an easy one
[12:32] <OOD> keldon86: you using adept to install it?
[12:32] <keldon85> unfortunately when I go to "Show Details" it only displays half of the screen and appears to have locked up
[12:32] <keldon85> OOD: yes
[12:32] <OOD> you have to use apt-get in cli
[12:32] <isaac_> ubotu: thnks
[12:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thnks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:33] <rawr> why the hell would anyone so much as abuse linux so much to make it look like windows.....
[12:33] <OOD> it's a bug in adept, don't know if it's been fixed yet
[12:33] <taylor> hey everybody, whats up?
[12:33] <isaac_> ubotu: thanks
[12:33] <ubotu> Thanks for the help!
[12:33] <keldon85> OOD: Only problem is that it is half way through the installation already
[12:33] <OOD> you'll have to cancel it, no other way around it
[12:34] <Dragnslcr> lupine_85- that seems to have worked. Thanks
[12:34] <keldon85> there is no option to cancel it; and if I xkill the app then I will have a corrupt installation
[12:34] <keldon85> does the input still respond
[12:34] <lupine_85> np :)
[12:34] <OOD> you have to kill the app, that's what i meant
[12:34] <LeeJunFan> rawr: that's a sore spot with me.... Every time I hear someone say, "Linux needs to do X like windows, so people can easily switch to it." I think - if you like windows so damn much - stick to it, and don't drag linux down with ya. I wouldn't be using it if it were just like windows. hehe
[12:34] <Dragnslcr> Out of curiosity, what's the recommended hardware option for an Audigy 2 card? Alsa?
[12:35] <keldon85> i know how to kill apps, but if i do then i end up with an incomplete and corrupt installation
[12:35] <MasterEvilAce> i like Linux to ACT like windows, in the sense that Shading is stupid, and i don't see a reason why i need to MOVE and RESIZE maximized windows.. but i like linux to look like linux :)
[12:35] <keldon85> this caused a few problems last time
[12:35] <OOD> there's no other wayt
[12:35] <OOD> you can't continue the installation in adept
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> MasterEvilAce: Linux is just a kernel
[12:35] <Zaire> so anyone know when edgy is gonna have a DVD iso?
[12:35] <ryan_> i have a dvd with music stored on mp3 format as a back up. how do i mount the disk so i can copy over the files
[12:35] <Dragnslcr> MasterEvilAce- actually that reminds me of another question I wanted to ask. Is there any trick to getting KDE to remember window positions?
[12:35] <MasterEvilAce> h3sp4wn: and i want it to look like a kernel too!
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> MasterEvilAce: How does a kernel look ?
[12:36] <MasterEvilAce> h3sp4wn: Before it's popped it's a small seed
[12:36] <LeeJunFan> Dragnslcr: yeah, right click on the titlebar.
[12:36] <Zaire> lol
[12:36] <LeeJunFan> Dragnslcr: there's all kinds of settings you can set, sticky, size, decoration, etc...
[12:36] <Zaire> good one lol
[12:36] <MasterEvilAce> h3sp4wn: I meant KDE anyways :( don't go crazy
[12:37] <MasterEvilAce> Dragnslcr: KDE seems to remember my positions.. hmm.
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> MasterEvilAce: I am crazy cannot help it
[12:37] <keldon85> ok, where is the .lock file for Adept, or do i not need to delete it?
[12:38] <keldon85> because it is saying that another adept program is running
[12:38] <OOD> no need to delete it
[12:38] <OOD> just kill adept and apt-get
[12:38] <keldon85> and adept cannot make any edits
[12:38] <Dragnslcr> LeeJunFan- Special Application Settings?
[12:38] <MasterEvilAce> Dragnslcr: Hey, try to right click title bar and go to Advanced - >Special Window Settings .. and you can check "position" and "size" i think..
[12:38] <MasterEvilAce> Oh, yeah Leejun said it first
[12:38] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, found that. Is that global, or will I have to set it for each app?
[12:39] <MasterEvilAce> app-specific
[12:39] <LeeJunFan> Dragnslcr: I think that's it. I actually can't tell ya exactly right now - I'm running xgl - not kde's window decorator.
[12:39] <sinpath> ok thanks it did work was just i didnt have the printer ink in
[12:39] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, XGL is on my list of stuff to try
[12:39] <MasterEvilAce> I'm giong to wait until XGL becomes an auto-installing package.. I tried it once. way too much trouble
[12:39] <Dragnslcr> I installed the xserver-xgl package, I just have to figure out how to use it
[12:40] <lupine_85> keldon85: the error message tells you
[12:40] <LeeJunFan> Dragnslcr: I used that to make sure things like kopete opened sticky, and gkrellm, etc... That's one thing I don't like about XGL is that kde's window manager doesn't work with it - and I don't get access to those properties.
[12:40] <lupine_85>  /var/cache/dpkg/lock IIRC
[12:40] <OOD> Dragnslcr: there's much more to it then just downloading the package
[12:40] <sinpath> ok dose this mean i have to install the scaner & coper part sepritly then?
[12:40] <jacob_> There are a few things i am most thankfull for.
[12:40] <Dragnslcr> OOD- yeah, figured there would be. I think XGL may be a weekend project at some point
[12:40] <keldon85> ok it's fine now thanks
[12:41] <jacob_> 1. Is kubuntu, and B. Surge Protecters
[12:41] <OOD> Dragnslcr: this package will autoinstall it for you :) http://www.compiz.net/topic-689-xgl-kubuntu-automatic-xgl-installation
[12:41] <keldon85> last time it can't remember what i did to fix anything ... and then after that adept was installing jre fine
[12:41] <jacob_> if not for  surge protecters my computer would be so fryed
[12:41] <jacob_> from it getin unpluged every 2 mins.
[12:41] <OOD> just add these repos to your sources.list: http://www.compiz.net/topic-74-repository-for-date-xgl-dapper-packages and http://www.compiz.net/topic-2-quinn-ubuntu-packages
[12:42] <larson9999> jacob_: how do you sing the alphabet song? 1, b, 2, c, ...?
[12:42] <jacob_> hapens when you are using a 50 ft garden extention cord to get power.
[12:42] <jacob_> larson : using  single tense a,b,c,d is conformity.
[12:42] <OOD> keldon86: no problem :)
[12:42] <jacob_> thanks for remininding me., though
[12:42] <rawr__> forgot to change it.
[12:43] <jj_> does anyone in here use 2 screens?
[12:43] <rawr__> I wish.
[12:43] <grothesk> jj_: I do.
[12:44] <jj_> xinerama is killing me
[12:44] <jj_> i cant get it to work with ATI drivers
[12:44] <OOD> yeah ati is a pain to get working properly
[12:44] <lupine_85>  sinpath: solution! http://hpoj.sourceforge.net/suplist.shtml
[12:45] <lupine_85> suggests that you use DJ3320 as your driver
[12:45] <lupine_85> (e.g. select DeskJet 3320 as the model)
[12:45] <sinpath> ok thanks man
[12:45] <lupine_85> the scanner should "just work"
[12:46] <Captain_Redbeard> Hmmm quick question... where is the splashscreen during boot-up set? what is it that controls it?
[12:46] <deadsoul> How the learn the ip of the host of a site from terminaL?
[12:46] <deadsoul> how to*
[12:47] <OOD> ping www.hostsite.com i think
[12:47] <deadsoul> let me try
[12:48] <lupine_85> just ping it
[12:48] <lupine_85> or you can dig it
[12:48] <metalero9> kike
[12:48] <deadsoul> Ok it worked
[12:48] <metalero9>  estas
[12:48] <deadsoul> thanks
[12:48] <OOD> :)
[12:48] <lupine_85> now you can get those hax0r tools out again ;)
[12:49] <deadsoul> Does Yakuake have kubuntu package?
[12:49] <deadsoul> Ahha
[12:49] <deadsoul> just try to learn basic command that can be used in terminal :)
[12:49] <grothesk> deadsoul: It does.
[12:49] <grothesk> <--- yakuake addict
[12:50] <deadsoul> grothesk how to download and install it by using terminal?
[12:50] <deadsoul> wget -????
[12:50] <grothesk> apt-get install yakuake ???
[12:50] <deadsoul> ohi ok thanks a lot
[12:51] <OOD> that's if it's in the repository
[12:51] <grothesk> It's in universe.
[12:51] <Dragnslcr> This look right for the repos list, OOD?  deb http://www.compiz.net/topic-2-quinn-ubuntu-packages dapper main restricted
[12:52] <lupine_85> that looks wrong
[12:52] <rawrness> yakuake owns
[12:52] <OOD> use this: http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/
[12:52] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I'm not sure what the rest of the options should be
[12:53] <rawrness> just just add and remove programs
[12:53] <lupine_85> or this: http://compiz-mirror.lupine.me.uk/ ;)
[12:53] <rawrness> thus where i got mine.
[12:53] <larson9999> walmart selling cheap drugs?  trying to lure me back, i see.
[12:53] <lupine_85> you want "dapper main" then extra repos depending on any special requirements
[12:53] <deadsoul> OOD is right i think. I get such an error "E: Couldn't find package yakuake"
[12:53] <larson9999> oops! wrong channel
[12:53] <lupine_85> aiglx? main-amd64?
[12:54] <lupine_85> s/repos/sections
[12:54] <momuth> alguem fala portugues ???
[12:54] <lupine_85> !pt
[12:54] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[12:54] <OOD> deadsoul: you have universe repos open?
[12:54] <momuth> blz
[12:54] <deadsoul> How to do that I am new to Linux
[12:55] <OOD> you can do it through adept, or you can edit the repo list yourself
[12:56] <deadsoul> Oh I have upgraded it yesterday by installing new packages.
[12:56] <deadsoul> I have upgraded it
[12:57] <OOD> im in windows now, but i'm pretty sure the list is in /etc/apt/sources.lst
[12:57] <sab> bonsoir
[12:57] <deadsoul> Ok let me check
[12:57] <OOD> just do this in terminal: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.lst
[12:57] <OOD> this will start the kate editor in root so you can edit the file
[12:57] <Hawkwind> kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list  actually
[12:57] <Admiral_Chicago> deadsoul, /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:58] <OOD> kate, or kwrite doesn't matter :)
[12:58] <Hawkwind> Replace kwrite with whatever
[12:58] <Admiral_Chicago> kate is better....
[12:58] <Hawkwind> OOD: You had the file wrong
[12:58] <sab> not skeak french ?
[12:58] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Personal opinion only
[12:58] <jj_> whats the command to restart X?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> kedit
[12:58] <Hawkwind> jj_: ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:58] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:58] <Admiral_Chicago> alt ctrl backspace
[12:58] <jj_> thanks
[12:58] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i'm so slow
[12:58] <deadsoul> List is empty
[12:58] <Admiral_Chicago> /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:59] <OOD> it can't be
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago> tahts not possible
[12:59] <Hawkwind> deadsoul: /etc/apt/sources.list that's why
[12:59] <OOD> it means you didnt type it in correctly
[12:59] <Hawkwind> OOD: You told him the wrong file that's why
[12:59] <OOD> yeah
[12:59] <deadsoul> Let me check again
[12:59] <OOD> my bad
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago> OOD, you forgot the .list
[12:59] <Hawkwind> deadsoul: Read what Admiral_Chicago and I stated
[12:59] <OOD> yeah i said lst instead of list
[12:59] <troy> evening folks - does anyone know the anything about the status of using 32bit packages on edgy? (as in, is it transparent? can I install opera 32bit from apt?)
[01:00] <troy> on amd64, that is
[01:00] <Hawkwind> troy: You probably can, however, #Ubuntu+1 is the edgy channel really
[01:00] <troy> Hawkwind: that's what I needed to know :)
[01:00] <deadsoul> deb http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[01:00] <deadsoul> deb-src http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[01:00] <OOD> have there been any changes in regard to better amd64 support?
[01:00] <OOD> in edgy?
[01:00] <lupine_85> OOD: everything is pretty much the samwe as it was in dapper
[01:00] <Admiral_Chicago> lupine_85, not true
[01:01] <lupine_85> ...since the 32bit/4bit distinction is only really relavent for closed-source programs
[01:01] <deadsoul> As you can see it is restricted.....
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> upstart is not pretty much the same as dapper
[01:01] <Hawkwind> OOD: Very doubtful that much will change for another year or so.  64Bit is just too new still
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> ah yea
[01:01] <lupine_85> erm, 64, not 4 ;)
[01:01] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: upstart isn't just for 64Bit though :)
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> i know, but its awesome and new to edgy
[01:02] <deadsoul> So what to change in sources.list?
[01:02] <grothesk> Will upstart be activated in edgy?
[01:02] <OOD> but its mpt specific to 64 bit
[01:02] <lupine_85> however, the question was... "[00:00]  <OOD> have there been any changes in regard to better amd64 support?"
[01:02] <Hawkwind> deadsoul: What are you trying to do ?
[01:02] <Hawkwind> grothesk: It already is
[01:02] <lupine_85> grothesk: yes
[01:02] <grothesk> .k
[01:02] <lupine_85> ah, that reminds me...
[01:03] <deadsoul> Hawkwind I try to install yakuake
[01:03] <OOD> which is in universe
[01:03] <deadsoul> I dont have any idea why i am in sources.list but they want me to open it :D
[01:03] <Hawkwind> deadsoul: You need to enable all of your repos
[01:03] <Hawkwind> !repos > deadsoul
[01:03] <OOD> ;) you're there for a reason
[01:03] <Hawkwind> deadsoul: Read what the bot just pm'd you
[01:04] <jman8888> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE4+Windows+Port
[01:04] <jman8888> The evil.
[01:04] <deadsoul> Ok thanks a lot guys...
[01:04] <lupine_85> oh. my. gods.
[01:04] <lupine_85> no
[01:04] <OOD> jman8888: what's so evil about it?
[01:04] <Dragnslcr> Has anyone had any luck getting a bluetooth mouse to work? (Logitech MX1000)
[01:04] <jman8888> Porting KDE to windows XP
[01:04] <OOD> plasma (the whole desktop environment) isn't getting ported to XP
[01:05] <Hawkwind> Dragnslcr: I use the MX1000 laser mouse
[01:05] <Hawkwind> Dragnslcr: I merely plugged it in and it worked
[01:05] <Dragnslcr> Hawkwind- that must be nice
[01:05] <Hawkwind> jman8888: That's super old news actually :P
[01:05] <jj_> is your USB controller installed correctly?
[01:05] <Hawkwind> Dragnslcr: It's just a USB mouse is all it is
[01:05] <jman8888> Hawkwind, Digg is good for that stuff.
[01:06] <Dragnslcr> Unless having a second USB mouse plugged in would make the system not bother looking for it
[01:06] <jman8888> Hawkwind, But im still mad.
[01:06] <jj_> why do you have 2?
[01:06] <OOD> you won't be able to run the KDE desktop on windows
[01:06] <OOD> that part isn't getting ported
[01:06] <jman8888> So what is ported.
[01:07] <lupine_85> artsd? ;)
[01:07] <OOD> QT4
[01:07] <jman8888> QT4?
[01:08] <ConsoleFx> how i can use cross cable for transferring date between 2 computers (kubuntu <->windows)
[01:08] <OOD> yes the QT library
[01:08] <lupine_85> oh, so it just lets you recompile Qt source into a windows binary?
[01:08] <Dragnslcr> When I move the mouse, the bluetooth icon activates for a second, but the pointer doesn't actually move.
[01:08] <lupine_85> ConsoleFx: Plug it in. plug it in. configure the ip addresses (static is best)
[01:08] <jman8888> So that means Windows users will have kde programs...
[01:08] <lupine_85> "might"
[01:08] <OOD> some programs yes
[01:08] <OOD> like konqueror
[01:08] <lupine_85> assuming anyone bothers to build it for them ;)
[01:08] <ConsoleFx> lupine_85:  how ??
[01:08] <ConsoleFx> plz tell
[01:08] <Dragnslcr> There any way to get the system to scan for the bluetooth mouse without logging out/restarting?
[01:09] <swatgoss> speaking about KDE4 ?
[01:09] <lupine_85> use the Networking applet in system settings?
[01:09] <tony_> hello everyone..
[01:09] <ConsoleFx> use the Networking applet in system settings.. then??
[01:09] <tony_> How can i change default programs in kubuntu ????
[01:09] <OOD> the KDE desktop environment is too dependent on X that;s why it isn't being ported to Windows
[01:10] <Hawkwind> KDE has already been ported to Windows actually
[01:10] <OOD> yeah a very old version i think
[01:10] <jman8888> Hawkwind, ...
[01:10] <Hawkwind> OOD: Ummm, 3.5.2 isn't that old
[01:10] <lupine_85> ConsoleFx: ah, you want to transfer files?
[01:10] <OOD> 3.5 was ported?
[01:10] <swatgoss> i got a .bin, a JDK on a CD from a book to learn Java
[01:10] <OOD> can i get a link>
[01:10] <swatgoss> how to install it on my Kubuntu ? :/
[01:10] <ConsoleFx> lupine_85:  ya
[01:10] <OOD> im on XP now :D
[01:11] <Hawkwind> OOD: I do believe so.  They have no reason to port an older version
[01:11] <Hawkwind> swatgoss: KDE4 isn't out yet
[01:11] <lupine_85> install openssh-server on the kubuntu machine. Google for, and download, psftp.exe on the windows machine.
[01:11] <swatgoss> Hawkwindi know
[01:11] <tolkan_> OOD: do you have a website with instructions on porting KDE to windows?
[01:11] <OOD> i dont, im asking for it :D
[01:11] <Hawkwind> tolkan_: It's already been ported
[01:11] <lupine_85> the alternative is samba, and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy
[01:11] <ConsoleFx> okie
[01:11] <Hawkwind> tolkan_: You can just install it
[01:11] <ConsoleFx> thnx
[01:11] <tolkan_> Hawkwind: do you have a link
[01:11] <Hawkwind> tolkan_: Nope.  I don't touch Windows anything, sorry
[01:12] <OOD> lol
[01:12] <Hawkwind> tolkan: Google knows all though :)
[01:12] <OOD> i googled around, but could only find a cygwin port of v1.12 or something
[01:12] <mhoye> Few quick questions: 1) I seem to be running 2.6.17, but I can't find a source package for it.
[01:12] <rawrness> google is your best friend
[01:12] <lupine_85> !info linux-source-2.6.17 edgy
[01:12] <tolkan> Hawkwind: haha, well do ou know anything about Python implementation in ubuntu? i'm haveing trouble it recognizing the gtk2 bindings
[01:12] <ubotu> linux-source-2.6.17: Linux kernel source for version 2.6.17 with Ubuntu patches. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.17-8.22 (edgy), package size 44988 kB, installed size 45120 kB
[01:13] <BluDog_Anchorite> google stole my girlfriend, and ate my leftover pizza
[01:13] <OOD> this is all i found: http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/
[01:13] <Hawkwind> mhoye: You running Edgy ?
[01:13] <mhoye> Ok is that in edgy only?
[01:13] <OOD> that;s KDE 1.45
[01:13] <lupine_85> google stole my pizza, and ate my girlfriend :'(
[01:13] <OOD> and 3.1.4
[01:14] <saxton> is there an easy way to reenable the CUPS web interface?
[01:14] <swatgoss> anybody know the installation method for a .bin "shell script"
[01:14] <swatgoss> looking in docs
[01:14] <Hawkwind> swatgoss: sh file.bin
[01:14] <Hawkwind> swatgoss: Sometimes you have to chmod +x file.bin first
[01:14] <swatgoss> do i have to copy the file to HDD before ?
[01:14] <swatgoss> its on a CD
[01:14] <Hawkwind> mhoye: Are you running Edgy ?
[01:15] <BluDog_Anchorite> swatgoss: and if this is java you are talking about installing, why not get if from the repo's
[01:15] <mhoye> Ok, about Edgy: I used to run Sid, so I just pointed apt at that and got the latest/greatest. Is that what "edgy" means in Ubuntu?
[01:15] <swatgoss> BluDog_Anchorite ... could be an idea :p
[01:15] <Hawkwind> mhoye: Edgy is still beta and breaks quite often.  #Ubuntu+1 is the Edgy channel.  However, we recommend you run the latest stable which is Dapper
[01:15] <Hawkwind> !java > swatgoss
[01:16] <lupine_85> mhoye: not really. edgy is, well, more edgy than sid :)
[01:16] <Hawkwind> swatgoss: Read the info the bot pm'd you about java if that's what you are installing
[01:16] <swatgoss> BluDog_Anchorite but i could learn to install something on linux without adpet or konsole so :p
[01:16] <jpiccolo_> !gdm
[01:16] <ubotu> gdm: GNOME Display Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2.14.10-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 1681 kB, installed size 11588 kB
[01:16] <OOD> Hawkwind: KDE runs in cygwin, but there isn't a native implementation for windows: http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/kde3/screenshots.php
[01:16] <Hawkwind> swatgoss: It's best to stick with .deb files and such if possible instead of compiling things
[01:16] <swatgoss> ok will try this way 1st  :p
[01:16] <rawrness> i am geting a werid error of late
[01:16] <deadsoul> Oh yes, I installed Yakuake. Thanks a lot for your helps....
[01:17] <Hawkwind> OOD: Like I said, I haven't touched Windows in 4+ years and don't plan on it  either in the next 150 years atleast :P
[01:17] <swatgoss> JDK 1-5-0-03 i586.bin
[01:17] <tony_> How can i change deafaul programs ??? i want to change different browser , movie player .
[01:17] <rawrness> !pastebin
[01:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:17] <lupine_85> tony_: system settings
[01:17] <mhoye> Ok, if dapper's the way to go, are the Suspend2 patches integrated into Ubuntu's kernel tree?
[01:19] <OOD> Hawkwind: 4 years, not bad :D
[01:19] <tony_> lupine, thanks , i been there , but i have no idea which of those programs would do the job
[01:20] <lupine_85> then stick with the defaults? :)
[01:21] <Dragnslcr> What's the correct way to get programs to load on logon?
[01:21] <Hawkwind> Dragnslcr: ~/.kde/Autostart
[01:21] <Dragnslcr> Just drop in symlinks?
[01:22] <rawrness> i was also wondering about hat.
[01:24] <dom> is there a handy shortcut in kate to insert the current date and/or time?
[01:25] <swatgoss> look on system clock, and type what you see ?
[01:25] <mhoye> Or: is there a "ubuntu-patch" package that's got all the patches that are applied to a vanilla kernel.org kernel?
[01:25] <tony_> how can i make VLC my deafult Media player ???? :)
[01:25] <swatgoss> open with ?
[01:25] <swatgoss> richt clic
[01:25] <swatgoss> open with, list or something like that
[01:26] <swatgoss> select VLC associate .....
[01:26] <OOD> run kcontrol, and in one of the options there is a way to set default programs to certain file tupes
[01:26] <xose> swatgoss: it doesn't work for me with VLC
[01:26] <OOD> types*
[01:26] <tony_> but using Firefox , and links on webpage, i don't have this option
[01:26] <deadsoul> Is there any good p2p program that can be used in Kubuntu that you can advice except KTorrent (it does not download anything, so slow :) )
[01:27] <OOD> frostwire (it's java)
[01:27] <swatgoss> all java clients ?
[01:27] <tony_> im using amule deadsoul
[01:27] <BluDog_Anchorite> !frostwire > deadsoul
[01:27] <OOD> or you can use wine to run windows p2p programs
[01:27] <deadsoul> Ok thanks a lot again. I will try frostwire
[01:27] <swatgoss> shareaza :p
[01:27] <swatgoss> lol
[01:27] <deadsoul> I will never use wine :)
[01:28] <dom> deadsoul, I've never had problems with ktorrent but you can run azureus
[01:28] <OOD> wine is amazing
[01:28] <swatgoss> wine contain "win"
[01:28] <swatgoss> can't work ...
[01:28] <OOD> o.0
[01:28] <BluDog_Anchorite> my favorite p2p is still "hey man, can i burn a copy of that ?"
[01:28] <deadsoul> :)
[01:28] <swatgoss> do Wine have blue screen option ?
[01:28] <deadsoul> Hahahah
[01:28] <deadsoul> :D
[01:28] <OOD> nope
[01:29] <swatgoss> bah
[01:29] <OOD> only windows :)
[01:29] <swatgoss> Wine suxxx ...
[01:29] <OOD> and reactos
[01:29] <swatgoss> it only do 50% of windows work !
[01:29] <OOD> erm, what?
[01:29] <swatgoss> Wine don't have blue screen, its only a half of windows !
[01:30] <swatgoss> "windows's work" is better ?
[01:30] <rawrness> now only  if ddin't have to use wine or windows
[01:30] <swatgoss> do = achieve :p
[01:30] <swatgoss> Wine only achieve 50% of windows's work
[01:31] <swatgoss> it only run programs :p
[01:32] <swatgoss> basicus trolla ergo sum ...
[01:32] <rawrness> gag linux and java are evil.
[01:32] <swatgoss> :'(
[01:32] <swatgoss> just started Java ...
[01:32] <rawrness> or rather installing java on linux
[01:32] <swatgoss> will i have to stop to be a better linuser ?
[01:34] <BluDog_Anchorite> anyone know where i might find a list of ncurses or CLI only games ?
[01:34] <Hawkwind> packages.ubuntu.com
[01:34] <swatgoss> on DSLinux :p
[01:34] <swatgoss> you have 2 text RPG
[01:35] <keldon85> hi, i am having weird and annoying problems installing my gfx card
[01:35] <keldon85> I am following help:/kubuntu/desktopguide/hardware.html
[01:36] <keldon85> i have an ati radeon 9250, mandrake and kubuntu identify it as 'ATI Radeon (fglrx)'
[01:36] <keldon85> but when I go into system settings->hardware, the card appears as vesa
[01:36] <Hawkwind> !ati
[01:36] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:37] <keldon85> ahh
[01:37] <rawrness> sudo is acting up... giving me errors now.
[01:37] <larson9999> BluDog_Anchorite: try the linux game tome
[01:37] <swatgoss> i got an idea ... Java = sun, unix = sun, so unix can run uncompiled java :p
[01:37] <rawrness> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24299
[01:38] <rawrness> o wait perhaps the 2ed error message is adept...
[01:38] <swatgoss> KDE runs under Unix ? .................... i don't really need an answer
[01:39] <OOD> rawrness: yeah you have to close adept before using apt-get in terminal
[01:39] <rawrness> I am so noobish
[01:39] <swatgoss> thats a good idea ...
[01:39] <rawrness> i surpize my slef
[01:40] <rawrness> but yet again if i didn't break everything
[01:40] <rawrness> what else would i have to do
[01:40] <DeadSouL> !keepass
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keepass - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:40] <swatgoss> avoid contact with normal people ?
[01:41] <OOD> it's called KeePassX for Linux and OS X
[01:41] <DeadSouL> oh thanks :)
[01:41] <swatgoss> what is it ?
[01:42] <DeadSouL> !KeePassX
[01:42] <OOD> http://keepassx.sourceforge.net/en/
[01:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about KeePassX - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <OOD> np :)
[01:42] <DeadSouL> Password manager
[01:42] <DeadSouL> with cool options
[01:42] <swatgoss> KDEwallet or something else ?
[01:42] <OOD> there's a deb file for download at that site
[01:42] <|GaiJin|> ehm... have they removed the webmin from kbuntu??
[01:43] <rawrness> i tend to avoid deb, and related like the plauge
[01:43] <OOD> eh?
[01:43] <DeadSouL> Well, as I said I am new to Linux. So I am not sure if it is like KDEwallet or not.
[01:44] <DeadSouL> I was using KeePass in Win...
[01:44] <swatgoss> ok, no pb :p
[01:44] <greg> Hi ya. I'm trying to upgrade to dapper, I found a guide to do so and it says to use aptitude to install kubuntu-desktop. when I issue that command it bitches about unmet dependencies and broken packages. Any idea why?
[01:44] <OOD> rawrness: you compile everything from source?
[01:44] <fa> 7
[01:44] <DeadSouL> So I have a database file. I have to read it in Kubuntu too :).
[01:45] <Makro2a1> F7
[01:45] <rawrness> nope i tend to avoid things if i can't get it with adept
[01:45] <rawrness> otherwise adept is my best friend
[01:45] <swatgoss> you adopted adept ?
[01:46] <swatgoss> --------> [_] 
[01:46] <greg> yeah adept rules. beat rpm hekk
[01:46] <greg> hell that is
[01:46] <OOD> adept is really buggy
[01:46] <OOD> freezes a lot on me
[01:47] <OOD> but i use it anyway since i like it way more than synaptic :)
[01:47] <swatgoss> when it runs :p
[01:47] <greg> really? not me
[01:47] <greg> so anyone have these problems upgrading to dapper?
[01:47] <swatgoss> sometimes i enter my pass
[01:47] <swatgoss> and ... nothing
[01:49] <greg> swatgoss i wonder why I never have that problem. Hardware?
[01:49] <swatgoss> my hard ?
[01:50] <greg> yeah
[01:50] <greg> i wonder if it uses like all the memory
[01:50] <greg> or cpu
[01:51] <swatgoss> hummm Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo D7850, Prescott Mobile 3.06GHz HT, 1024MB DDR333, 60GB 5400rpm, Radeon Mobility 9200 64MB
[01:51] <swatgoss> full CPU and full RAM :p
[01:51] <DeadSouL> When I click on KeePassX .deb package it says that "Sorry, application is not in (PATH) folder. Please install it or bla bla...". How can I install it?
[01:51] <swatgoss> don't think so ...
[01:51] <rawrness> i once got that error before
[01:51] <greg> yeah, beats my little box all to hell
[01:52] <rawrness> i don't rember what i did.
[01:52] <swatgoss> i prefer my desk PC ...
[01:52] <greg> does it get fm?
[01:53] <OOD> right click on it and select package install
[01:53] <swatgoss> radio receiver ?
[01:53] <DeadSouL> ok
[01:53] <swatgoss> or frequency modulation ?
[01:53] <DeadSouL> will try it
[01:53] <greg> swatgoss...sorry i was just being a smartass
[01:53] <swatgoss> lol
[01:54] <swatgoss> i wanna turn the CPU/RAM to 100MHz freq ...
[01:54] <swatgoss> bot didn't find any pinmod for P4
[01:55] <greg> swatgoss: did you have any trouble upgrading to dapper?
[01:55] <swatgoss> to dapper nope
[01:55] <swatgoss> installing from CD :p
[01:55] <swatgoss> crashed my old partition ...
[01:55] <greg> might be the best way
[01:55] <swatgoss> so reinstall needed
[01:56] <swatgoss> my old 2.5GB partition was cracshin everytime i tried to install 2 686 kernels
[01:56] <swatgoss> not enough space ...
[01:56] <swatgoss> now with 4.5GB its ok :p
[01:57] <DeadSouL> Hmm I installed KeePassX by the way ODD described but i could not see it in K menu after "kbuildsycoca"ing by the help of terminal. How can I add it to menu?
[01:57] <rawrness> tat i got my flash runing.
[01:57] <rawrness> so appy
[01:57] <DeadSouL> :)
[02:05] <rawrness> wow things dot real dead
[02:05] <rawrness> got*
[02:06] <greg> DeadSouL: if you know where it installed to you can add a launcher to the panel
[02:06] <DeadSouL> I dont know where it is installed
[02:06] <DeadSouL> Is there another way?
[02:08] <greg> binary files are usually put in /usr/bin
[02:08] <DeadSouL> Ok  i will check
[02:08] <Dink> woot 2.6.18 kernel and 8.29.6 ati drivers
[02:08] <rawrness> If not  you can always try locate: kee
[02:08] <justinmt7> hi everyone
[02:09] <rawrness> in konquer
[02:10] <justinmt7> i just installed kunbuntu.  I can't get my wireless network card to work.  It's a linksys WPC54G card and i can't find linux drivers for it on the website.  Any suggestions?  The card has power and wireless assistant won't pick it up
[02:10] <rawrness> yet again another networking problem.....
[02:11] <rawrness> That may be a pain in the ass when i get my laptop.
[02:11] <justinmt7> im brand new to linux btw
[02:12] <en1gma> hey all
[02:12] <en1gma> wuzzup
[02:13] <greg> justinmt7: have you tried searching the forums for your card?
[02:13] <en1gma> im using kubuntu live dvd....i have an NF4 mboard that has onboard nvraid (i know its fake raid) now i have 4 sata drives in a raid 0 and there are 2 partitions (1 for windows) and (future 1 for kubuntu) but what i want to know now is how do i mount that array
[02:14] <justinmt7> greg--doing that now and can't find my problem being addressed
[02:15] <en1gma> anyone?
[02:15] <en1gma> m using kubuntu live dvd....i have an NF4 mboard that has onboard nvraid (i know its fake raid) now i have 4 sata drives in a raid 0 and there are 2 partitions (1 for windows) and (future 1 for kubuntu) but what i want to know now is how do i mount that array
[02:15] <en1gma> crap sorry
[02:17] <rawrness> I see
[02:18] <rawrness> en1gma i suggest perhaps making a thrird partion for shared files such as media
[02:18] <rawrness> mount that as home, the one you want to linux as /
[02:18] <rawrness> and also make your self a swap
[02:19] <rawrness> leave the windows partion alone.
[02:20] <Josh_> anyone use any type of spyware/adware programs for kubuntu? or is that not necessary?
[02:20] <Josh_> or is there one provided?
[02:21] <phsx211> anyone use any tpe of spyware/adware programs for kubuntu or is that not necessary?
[02:22] <lupine_85> phsx211: not really needed
[02:22] <greg> rawrness did you upgrade breezy to dapper?
[02:22] <lupine_85> but...
[02:22] <lupine_85> !chkrootkit
[02:22] <ubotu> chkrootkit: Checks for signs of rootkits on the local system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.46a-2 (dapper), package size 241 kB, installed size 688 kB
[02:22] <lupine_85> much less unlikely :)
[02:22] <rawrness> nope just formated drive XD
[02:23] <rawrness> i probly said something out of context thoguh
[02:24] <en1gma> rawness
[02:24] <rawrness> yes
[02:24] <en1gma> first i need to see if i can see the partions
[02:24] <en1gma> how do i do that...all i see in /dev/mapper is "control" no partions
[02:25] <en1gma> im not sure which version of kubuntu i using btw
[02:25] <en1gma> i think its a month old
[02:25] <rawrness> I am not even sure what dev/mapper is XD
[02:25] <en1gma> how do i see if kubuntu sees mr raid0 array (WITH) the 2 partions
[02:26] <Jucato_> en1gma: you can check which version of kubuntu you are using by typing this in Konsole: lsb_release -a
[02:26] <elmore_> could somebody please tell me the best and most popular free software equivalents for secondlife?
[02:26] <en1gma> Release:        6.06
[02:26] <en1gma> Codename:       dapper
[02:27] <en1gma> it has drive mapper already i believe
[02:27] <en1gma> i might be using the 64bit kubuntu too i not sure
[02:29] <rawrness> I don't know to much but in the install i used the userdefined partion option and set it up like the 5th setup
[02:29] <rawrness> in this guide here http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/partitioning.html
[02:29] <greg> en1gma: have you tried to mount /dev/mapper ?
[02:29] <rawrness> so don't trust me i am noobish
[02:30] <en1gma> ohh not yet
[02:30] <en1gma> let me try...
[02:30] <en1gma> 1sec
[02:30] <en1gma> do i need to 'su root' if so whats the pass
[02:31] <en1gma> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ mount /dev/mapper
[02:31] <en1gma> mount: can't find /dev/mapper in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[02:32] <en1gma> i was following this guide kinda "http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2557.html"
[02:32] <en1gma> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ls /dev/mapper/
[02:32] <en1gma> control
[02:33] <DeadSouL> Can I divide the partition where kubuntu insalled into two without harming Kubuntu?
[02:33] <en1gma> i believe it is supposed to show partitons there
[02:33] <DeadSouL> installed*
[02:33] <jj_> yes
[02:33] <jj_> qtparted
[02:33] <DeadSouL> Ok thanks a lot JJ_
[02:33] <en1gma> greg where you go?
[02:34] <greg> en1gma: try making a directory in /media, then mount -t ext3 /media/new directory
[02:34] <jj_> just a tip, run it from a live disk, preferably knoppix
[02:34] <DeadSouL> ok
[02:35] <en1gma> ok gonna try 1 sec...what is pass for root with live dvd
[02:35] <en1gma> i cant make
[02:35] <en1gma> no permissions
[02:35] <Jucato_> en1gma: no password (blank)
[02:36] <bobbyyu> Does anyone know how to use Java under Kubuntu?
[02:36] <en1gma> authent failure
[02:36] <rawrness> java is evil......
[02:37] <Jucato_> en1gma: you are on the Live DVD?
[02:37] <Jucato_> !java
[02:37] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[02:37] <Samuli^> bobbyyu, what do you mean by using it?
[02:37] <bobbyyu> I have a "The local variable XXX is not read" error
[02:38] <bobbyyu> I mean "The local variable XXX is never read" error
[02:38] <en1gma> just made the pass trying commands now
[02:38] <greg> sudo mount /dev/mapper -t ext3 /media/new directory
[02:38] <bobbyyu> Can anyone help me?
[02:39] <Jucato_> en1gma: we don't use su in Kubuntu, btw. root account is disabled. we use "sudo"
[02:39] <en1gma> i just used su
[02:39] <jj_> you can enable the root account and use su, you just better know what your doing..
[02:41] <en1gma> [00:34]  <greg> en1gma: try making a directory in /media, then mount -t ext3 /media/new directory <<<<dont work
[02:41] <en1gma> tells me about usage
[02:41] <greg> sudo mount /dev/mapper -t ext3 /media/new directory
[02:41] <en1gma> root@ubuntu://# mount /dev/mapper -t ext3 /media/test
[02:41] <en1gma> mount: /dev/mapper is not a block device
[02:41] <bobbyyu> Where can I find Java help?
[02:42] <greg> en1gma: sorry man I gave it a shot.
[02:42] <en1gma> thanks man
[02:43] <greg> en1gma: the ony thing i can think of is to run dmseg and see if you can get a better /dev
[02:44] <en1gma> want me to paste output to pastebin.ca
[02:45] <greg> don't know what that is or how to access it
[02:46] <en1gma> http://pastebin.ca/179190
[02:46] <en1gma> i dont know anything
[02:46] <en1gma> and im brand new to kubuntu
[02:46] <en1gma> i used to run slack
[02:46] <en1gma> so im not real real nooBish
[02:46] <hv> hi
[02:47] <en1gma> hi
[02:47] <shawn_> hi I'm trying to upgrade to edgy... and well thereis alot of unmet dependencies it's complaining about, reccomendations?
[02:48] <snax> make sure you switched all your repository lines over to edgy
[02:48] <snax> and do sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[02:49] <Jucato_> and be prepared for daily updates and some random broken from time to time
[02:49] <shawn_> snax and then what?
[02:49] <snax> say yes
[02:50] <Samuli^> sudo sed -e 's/dapper/edgy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:50] <Samuli^> but as you know that WILL break your system, probably.
[02:51] <Dink> shawn_, just compile your own kernel and wait till edgy becomes stable ;)
[02:51] <shawn_> wants to remove all python stuff but it also wants to remove sysvinit... concern
[02:51] <snax> ah, that's fine
[02:51] <shawn_> how's that fine
[02:51] <snax> there is a new startup package called upstart in edgy
[02:51] <Jucato> shawn_: you are doing dist-upgrade right?
[02:51] <shawn_> yes
[02:51] <snax> that replaces the usual sysvinit stuff
[02:52] <snax> it's backwards compatible though
[02:52] <Jucato> shawn_: edgy will really replace a lot of stuff
[02:52] <Jucato> dist-upgrade removes stuff when necessary
[02:52] <shawn_> I've upadated to dapper a while back and ran that for a while in unstable
[02:53] <snax> so, amarok didn't like writing the tags for flac files, so I enabled the backports repository and upgraded it, and now it won't play flac at all :(
[02:53] <Samuli^> unreleased dapper is not unreleased edgy though.
[02:53] <shawn_> is the update sever being really slow for everyone else (for edgy)?
[02:54] <Samuli^> dapper was sort of minor updates compared to edgy which is supposed to be the 'testing' platform for all new and great.
[02:54] <shawn_> yes I know
[02:55] <Admiral_Chicago> Samuli^, dapper was a major update
[02:55] <Jucato> compared to Edgy? maybe not that much
[02:55] <Admiral_Chicago> snax, yea thats why you are super careful with backports
[02:56] <Admiral_Chicago> troy, what do you mean "will get'
[02:56] <Jucato> troy: we'll know in a few weeks, I guess
[02:56] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i see
[02:56] <Jucato> er make that months. lol... :)
[02:56] <Admiral_Chicago> the only gripe i have (non Edgy) is that XGL is so bulky
[02:56] <Admiral_Chicago> taking up all the processor
[02:57] <Samuli^> not for me.
[02:58] <Samuli^> 30% if I'm spinning the cube as fast as I can. System-monitor posts ~0,2% load averages
[02:58] <troy> haven't tried edgy yet - downloading knot3 now... I need to see how the amd64+32bit packages support is :)
[02:59] <en1gma> how do i start konq as root
[02:59] <troy> en1gma: kdesu konqueror
[02:59] <en1gma> root@ubuntu://# kdesu konqueror
[02:59] <en1gma> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[02:59] <nimnrod> i still don't have a clue how to install themes here... i donwload the files from http://www.kde-look.org but i have no idea how to make them work
[02:59] <Admiral_Chicago> Samuli^, mine can go up to 100
[03:00] <troy> en1gma: weird - doesn't do that here...
[03:00] <en1gma> im on live dvd
[03:00] <gekko`> troy: because he's logged in as root :-P
[03:00] <shawn_> do it in the run box
[03:00] <Samuli^> Admiral_Chicago, what processor do you have?
[03:00] <Admiral_Chicago> en1gma, do that in "run command"
[03:00] <shawn_> en1gma
[03:00] <Admiral_Chicago> A P4 3.0 Ghz Northwood with HT
[03:00] <snax> if I disable the backport repos, is there an easy way to force downgrade all packages that came from it?
[03:00] <Admiral_Chicago> snax, not sure
[03:01] <en1gma> i cant run anythign
[03:01] <en1gma> it wont open
[03:01] <shawn_> hmm
[03:01] <troy> en1gma: what does 'echo $DISPLAY' say?
[03:01] <en1gma> i just closed it 1 sec
[03:01] <grout> how can i find out if i have x.org or xfree86?
[03:01] <snax> are you running ubuntu?
[03:01] <en1gma> opened new term and it working i think
[03:01] <shawn_> you probally have xorg
[03:02] <snax> then xorg
[03:02] <Admiral_Chicago> grout, /etc/X11
[03:03] <grout> theres just a script in that dir
[03:03] <grout> what does that mean?
[03:03] <Admiral_Chicago> grout, hold on
[03:03] <troy> grout: xdpyinfo | grep version
[03:04] <nimnrod> i still don't have a clue how to install themes here... i donwload the files from http://www.kde-look.org but i have no idea how to make them work
[03:04] <bobbyyu> I have a problem with Java with Kubuntu: It says "The local variable XXX is not read"
[03:04] <bobbyyu> when I try to compile something
[03:04] <Dink> probably dont have jave jdk in your path
[03:04] <troy> nimnrod: you're downloading tarballs (tar.gz, tgz, etc.) files from that site, right? You have to select those tarballs from the theme manager
[03:04] <Dink> java*
[03:05] <bobbyyu> How do I set it in Kubuntu?
[03:05] <nimnrod> i dont even know if i have a theme manager
[03:05] <Dink> edit your .profile and set it
[03:05] <bobbyyu> Where's that?
[03:05] <Admiral_Chicago> grout, that folder has several icons
[03:05] <nimnrod> :-s
[03:06] <troy> nimnrod: type 'ALT-F2', type 'kcontrol', select appearance and Themes, then Theme Manager
[03:06] <en1gma> mount -t <fs type> what i put for ntfs
[03:06] <Dink> /etc/profile
[03:06] <en1gma> and for linux too cause i have 2 partions
[03:06] <troy> nimnrod: then click Install New Theme, and select the file you downloaded
[03:06] <snax> bobbyyu: it sounds like it is compiling ok but warning about an unused local variable in the actual Java code
[03:06] <nimnrod> troy: thank you!
[03:07] <troy> nimnrod: theme manager is hidden by kubuntu's control panel (which is different than kcontrol, the standard kde control panel)
[03:07] <bobbyyu> No, all my variables are declared correctly
[03:07] <bobbyyu> I even tried it on my old programs
[03:07] <bobbyyu> They were compiling well before
[03:07] <snax> maybe turn off warnings, then?
[03:08] <snax> if it's warning about it there is really a problem in your code
[03:08] <snax> otherwise you've found a bug in the compiler
[03:08] <bobbyyu> How do I turn off the warning?
[03:09] <snax> probably javac -h will tell you
[03:09] <snax> so, how do you get KDE 3.5.4 in dapper as the topic suggests can be done
[03:10] <Dink> you probably have it already
[03:10] <Dink> help about kde :p
[03:10] <snax> 3.5.2 here
[03:10] <Jucato> Dink: not unless he upgraded manually
[03:11] <Dink> hmm i dont recall doing it manually might be my repository
[03:11] <Samuli^> snax, may I suggest google: kde 3.5.4 ubuntu
[03:11] <Jucato> snax: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[03:11] <Jucato> a word of caution, though. there are known bugs in KDE 3.5.4 on Dapper
[03:12] <Samuli^> Dink, well all you need to do manually is to update your sources.list.
[03:12] <shawn_> still getting
[03:12] <shawn_>  koffice-libs: Depends: koffice-data (< 1:1.5.1) but 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2 is installed
[03:12] <shawn_>   krita: Depends: koffice-libs (>= 1:1.5.2) but 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu9 is installed
[03:12] <shawn_>   libggi2: Depends: libgii1 (>= 1:1.0.1) but it is not installed
[03:12] <shawn_>   python2.4-twisted-core: Depends: python2.4-twisted-bin
[03:12] <shawn_> any ideas
[03:12] <Jucato> shawn_: you are using dist-upgrade right?
[03:13] <shawn_> I am
[03:13] <Samuli^> Jucato, and there is no known bugs on kde 3.5.2? :)
[03:13] <Jucato> Samuli^: there are of course. but comparing the 2, there are more annoying bugs in 3.5.4
[03:13] <snax> why on earth is it trying to pull in XMMS
[03:14] <troy> shawn_: I had to remove and reinstall koffice to get past a similar error
[03:14] <Jucato> snax: something about Kopete depending on XMMS.
[03:14] <shawn_> I'm trying to get uninstall it
[03:14] <troy> Samuli^: it's better tested on dapper anyway :)
[03:14] <troy> Samuli^: 3.5.2, I mean, is better tested
[03:15] <shawn_> apt-get remove koffice is there anything else I can do to remove it?
[03:15] <Jucato> 3.5.2 was built for Dapper, 3.5.4 was built for Edgy. the 3.5.4 for Dapper is just a backport
[03:15] <troy> shawn_: you might have to nuke some reverse dependancies as well, but apt will tell you what they are :)
[03:15] <troy> just make a note so you can reinstall it later :)
[03:15] <shawn_> ?
[03:16] <shawn_> apt has not told me to get rid of repos
[03:16] <Samuli^> Jucato, 3.5.4 wasn't built for edgy. Doesn't it state that the repos stated on KDE-site are for _dapper_ ?
[03:16] <Jucato> Samuli^: 3.5.4 was built for Edgy because Edgy has it by default. why would they post repos for Edgy if it's already installed on Edgy?
[03:17] <troy> Jucato: it's not a backport
[03:17] <troy> Jucato: new kde releases are usually built for the current release also, independantly of what's happening in ubuntu+1
[03:17] <Jucato> ok, let me rephrase that: "backport"
[03:18] <Samuli^> jucato, I'm sure they've made another build for edgy, but those repositories that are for dapper are build for dapper.
[03:18] <Samuli^> Jucato, otherwise A LOT of dependencies would be broken.
[03:18] <troy> they're the same packages that would exist if edgy never existed :)
[03:21] <shawn_> so no ideas how to fix my problem?
[03:21] <Samuli^> let me rephrase that *shrug* = *nod* ? :)
[03:22] <snax> what are the major user-visible advantages that edgy has over dapper (at least as far as kubuntu goes)
[03:22] <flaccid_> edgy is new one?
[03:22] <snax> yeah
[03:23] <lupine_85> generally snappier IMO :)
[03:23] <Samuli^> edgy is supposed to have compiz and xgl, right?
[03:23] <en1gma> kubuntu/ubuntu does not support software raid upon fresh install (i dont believe)
[03:23] <snax> no
[03:23] <lupine_85> sory of
[03:23] <lupine_85> sort*
[03:23] <lupine_85> they're in the repos
[03:24] <en1gma> the live cd/dvd does not come with dmraid which is needed
[03:24] <Samuli^> they are in the dapper-repos too.
[03:24] <en1gma> and the live dvd dont have a compiler
[03:24] <Jucato> en1gma: it should
[03:24] <lupine_85> bdsm pwns :D (well, it will be bdsm soon....)
[03:24] <en1gma> i tried to compile it wouldnt
[03:24] <Jucato> it's included, but not installed
[03:25] <Jucato> install "build-essential"
[03:25] <en1gma> the compiler od dmraid
[03:25] <lupine_85> en1gma: just install dmraid
[03:25] <lupine_85> !dmraid
[03:25] <ubotu> dmraid: Device-Mapper Software RAID support tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9+1.0.0.rc9-2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 117 kB, installed size 460 kB
[03:25] <en1gma> where is it
[03:25] <lupine_85> ah, in universe
[03:25] <lupine_85> download the .deb and install from there?
[03:25] <shawn_> k how to I gey koffice off if apt-get remove won't work?
[03:25] <shawn_> *get
[03:25] <lupine_85> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[03:25] <Jucato> en1gma: build-essential is in main, if that was what you were asking
[03:25] <en1gma> ive never used kubunutu
[03:26] <en1gma> well i was wanting that cause i thought i had to build dmraid
[03:26] <en1gma> if i can just install dmraid that would be nice
[03:26] <lupine_85> it might work
[03:26] <lupine_85> TBH I think you'd be better off with the alt install CD
[03:26] <lupine_85> since it supports RAID/LVM out of the box, IIRC
[03:26] <en1gma> i have know idea where to start
[03:26] <lupine_85> !alternate
[03:26] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-installation CD, with no live session. Use this if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an expert install.
[03:27] <en1gma> i have the dvd
[03:27] <lupine_85> it's not on the DVD
[03:27] <en1gma> omfg
[03:27] <en1gma> can i just dload the package and install it
[03:27] <Samuli^> en1gma, sure.
[03:27] <en1gma> i dont want whole cd just for 100KB apps
[03:27] <en1gma> what tool do i use
[03:27] <Samuli^> do you have working X?
[03:27] <en1gma> yea i in x now
[03:28] <shawn_> damn
[03:28] <rawrness> wow the room became dead again
[03:29] <flaccid_> whats this knot business?
[03:29] <lupine_85> en1gma: you don't understand. The live CD installer doesn't support raid install
[03:29] <lupine_85> it's not pretty if you try to hack it yourself
[03:30] <Jucato> I thought he was using the Live DVD?
[03:30] <Jucato> oh well...
[03:30] <Samuli^> en1gma, sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the universe repository.
[03:30] <lupine_85> live cd==live dvd, surely?
[03:31] <Jucato> probably the installer is the same? I wouldn't know...
[03:31] <Samuli^> en1gma, then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dmraid
[03:32] <Samuli^> thank you last.fm
[03:34] <soulrider> hi everyone
[03:34] <DFM> hello
[03:34] <Dink> 2.6.18 and ati 8.29.6 woot :)
[03:35] <shawn_> got the install going again
[03:35] <shawn_> woo
[03:38] <troy> does anyone know where cups keeps its installed ppds?
[03:39] <ubuntu> hey guys, i did an upgrade w/ adept...something screwed up. when i rebooted grub couldn't find the boot file system (it was looking for hd1,6 instead of hd0,6). i booted w/ the live cd and changed it to hd1,6 like it should have been. now it gets past grub to the kubuntu boot message "waiting for root filesystem" (i.e. after mounting)...what's the problem now?
[03:40] <ubuntu> ^^^to hd0,6 like it should have been
[03:41] <Dink> you can hit esc or something go back to previous kernel and try again ?
[03:41] <ubuntu> yeah, i tried kernel 26 (instead of 27) ...no dice either
[03:42] <larson9999> ubuntu: i don't know if this will help but my system hangs there sometimes.  the only way i've found to get past it is to unplug the power cord and plug it back in.
[03:43] <ubuntu> weird. worth a try next time i boot
[03:43] <Dink> what type of hdd do you have ?
[03:43] <Dink> ide,sata
[03:44] <ubuntu> hda is sata, hdb and hdc are ide
[03:44] <ubuntu> the boot partition is hda7
[03:44] <ubuntu> it did work :D
[03:44] <larson9999> Ubugtu: yeah, it's probably something with my power management thing i could fix if i knew what to look for.  but since unplugging it works when it hangs there, i'm not looking hard for the fix.
[03:44] <Dink> ohh wait you did and upgrade ... hmm there is a known issue when you compile your own that it does not recognize sata and/or secondary hdd
[03:44] <Zaire> can anyone tell me where the linux kernel header is located?
[03:45] <larson9999> Ubugtu: that was for ubuntu
[03:45] <crimsun> Zaire: after you install the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package, it's in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[03:45] <ubuntu> larson9999 got it, tnx
[03:45] <larson9999> ubuntu: were you talking to me when you said it worked?
[03:45] <Zaire> k thanks :)
[03:45] <ubuntu> dink: i didn't compile my own in this case
[03:46] <Dink> yea i just noticed it
[03:46] <Dink> it probably is not discovering your sata drive
[03:46] <ubuntu> larson9999: nope, that was to dink -- i will start adding names :)
[03:46] <ubuntu> dink: doesn't the fact that grub makes it mean that it found the sata tho?
[03:46] <flaccid_> what is the minimise all windows action called in keyboard shortcuts?
[03:46] <ubuntu> dink: i mean if it wasn't finding it it would get stuck at the grub stage, and not get the bootsplash up, right?
[03:47] <flaccid_> hmmm i can never find it
[03:48] <ubuntu> dink: agh, i got it
[03:48] <flaccid_> ah toggle showing desktop
[03:48] <Jucato> flaccid_: Ctrl+Alt+D
[03:48] <ubuntu> dink: the menu.lst has a wrong command...
[03:49] <ubuntu> root=/dev/hdd7 instead of root=/dev/hda7
[03:49] <Dink> ahh
[03:49] <ubuntu> seems like it should work when i reboot...tnx
[03:49] <Dink> sorry was responding to an email
[03:49] <ubuntu> np, later
[03:49] <Dink> that would do it
[03:50] <soulrider> !info mdadm
[03:50] <ubotu> mdadm: tool to administer Linux md device arrays (software RAID). In component main, is standard. Version 1.12.0-1ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 103 kB, installed size 348 kB
[03:52] <troy> okay - when I'm using cups on localhost:631, it's asking for an admin password -- what exactly is it wanting? my username and password again does not work, and root has no password...
[03:53] <lupine_85> troy: cupsys:cupsys ?
[03:54] <flaccid_> yeah what is the default cups admin login ?
[03:55] <nimnrod> quanta editor did something rare to my system... i unisntalled the program but when i click a link wont open konqueror but quanta
[03:57] <nimnrod> it says: KDEInit could not launch quanta
[03:57] <nimnrod> :-/
[03:57] <warpzone> hey, with the lat Xorg update, has anybody else gotten a raging Xorg memory leak?
[03:58] <warpzone> *last
[03:59] <Admiral_Chicago> warpzone, how long ago?
[03:59] <warpzone> I"m not sure, maybe four of five days ago. Wasn't Xorg update recently?
[04:00] <Admiral_Chicago> i have no idea, check out the change log
[04:00] <warpzone> sure, how would I do that?
[04:00] <shawn_> blah updating the fonts.... is there an eazy way to remove all non eglish fonts from my system
[04:00] <Admiral_Chicago> visit the website, i'll probably be on there
[04:01] <Admiral_Chicago> shawn_, no idea
[04:01] <warpzone> alrighty, thanks admiral, will check
[04:01] <nimnrod> quanta editor did something rare to my system... i unisntalled the program but when i click a link wont open konqueror but quanta
[04:04] <warpzone> nimnrod: isn't what broswer opens determined by the program the link appears in?
[04:06] <nimnrod> the problem is that wont open the browser it will try to open quanta
[04:06] <nimnrod> and its a web link
[04:07] <nimnrod> im thinking that i need to restore the files association
[04:07] <warpzone> nimnrod: oh, I get it. I wouldn't have a clue how to do that./
[04:08] <Jucato> nimnrod: try checking your File Associations for html or xhtml+xml
[04:08] <jmichaelx> has there been a fix for the bad flash-plugin update from last night?
[04:09] <warpzone> jmichaelx: bad flash-plugin update, what does it do?
[04:09] <jmichaelx> warpzone: it just does nothing.... it downloads but cannot get configured
[04:10] <nimnrod> Jucato: yep.. that was it.. i did try that before but i didnt realize that i was as root and the change did not affect my normal user account
[04:11] <Jucato> nimnrod: ok. it's strange that installing Quanta change the File Associations. It didn't happen to me...
[04:12] <nimnrod> it might be something i did i just don't remember what or when... hehehe
[04:14] <Jucato> :P
[04:15] <rawrness> anyone know ay good   p2ps for kubuntu?
[04:16] <Healot> what p2p protocol?
[04:16] <rawrness> such as like winmx was before it got shutdown.
[04:17] <abattoir> !apollon
[04:17] <ubotu> apollon: KDE-based interface to the giFT file-sharing system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-2.2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 445 kB, installed size 1684 kB
[04:17] <shawn_> mdadm, lvm-common and lvm2 don't wanna install right in my edgy upgrade... what do these do and any idea how to get them to install if need be
[04:17] <rawrness> winmx was the best.
[04:17] <abattoir> rawrness: ^^^that supports FastTrack(Kazaa), Gnutella(Limewire) and OpenFT, if you install the right plugins
[04:17] <rawrness> ?
[04:17] <Jucato> huh? abattoir's alive???
[04:18] <snax> I generally steer clear of p2p these days
[04:18] <snax> don't feel like getting sued
[04:18] <abattoir> Jucato: bleh :P
[04:19] <rawrness> can't sue us all.
[04:19] <shawn_> I asked right now because none of my browsers are working so I can't check myself
[04:19] <snax> agreed
[04:19] <snax> you go first :P
[04:20] <larson9999> i don't steer clear of p2ps but i got all the music i wanted years ago :)  and my library has free dvds for the checkout
[04:21] <rawrness> I just rip all my dvds.
[04:22] <rawrness> I wonder how much of a penatity i would get if sued.
[04:22] <rawrness> I am techincaly a minor.......
[04:22] <snax> it would be your parents to get sued, then
[04:22] <rawrness> Fun.
[04:22] <rawrness> we can't afford to buy food XD
[04:23] <rawrness> half the time.
[04:23] <rawrness> wouldn't get much out sueing us.
[04:23] <snax> you'd be looking at $10,000 settlements or more depending on how much you were caught with
[04:23] <rawrness> 8 gigs at the min.
[04:24] <Jucato> ok moving along to more legal talk...
[04:24] <rawrness> of course.
[04:24] <warpzone> arg the xorg memory leak is killing me, xorg is up to 193m mem usage :( :( no solutions present in the forums
[04:24] <rawrness> I wonder how many people installed the nonfree codecs
[04:25] <rawrness> even if it may a legality,.
[04:25] <Jucato> it's not a legal issue in some countries
[04:25] <rawrness> I would think it so in the  us
[04:26] <Jucato> well that's their (US citizens) problem, unfortunately...
[04:27] <Admiral_Chicago> n00b question here, if I use GParted, that won't affect grub will it?
[04:27] <jj_> depends on what you do
[04:27] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: depends
[04:27] <Admiral_Chicago> resize two partions
[04:27] <jj_> boot part?
[04:28] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm on Edgy, all my data is on dapper
[04:28] <Admiral_Chicago> i want to decrease dapper size, increase Edgy so I can transfer all my files
[04:28] <jj_> your fine
[04:28] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[04:29] <rawrness> The us sucks.
[04:29] <jj_> why might i ask?
[04:29] <rawrness> I want a voucher education system
[04:29] <rawrness> like in norway.
[04:29] <jj_> why
[04:30] <rawrness> It there for gives a choice in schools
[04:30] <rawrness> rather being assigned by area code
[04:30] <rawrness> The american education system  has gone down hill.
[04:31] <warpzone> hm, I know synaptic has a way to force a previous version of package. can adept do the same thing?
[04:31] <Jucato> warpzone: afaik, no
[04:31] <jj_> seems like there should be though
[04:31] <warpzone> Jucato: :(
[04:32] <Jucato> like I said, afaik. I hope I'm wrong...
[04:32] <[-KaSatKa-] > How can i enter init 3?
[04:33] <Admiral_Chicago> [-KaSatKa-] , dapper?
[04:33] <[-KaSatKa-] > Yes
[04:33] <Admiral_Chicago> rawrness, vouchers are so stupid
[04:34] <Admiral_Chicago> join me in #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:37] <c00i90wn> Hi theere, I'm following this guide http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186200 but when I reboot it fires up Xgl (at least I think so) and then it just waits and after that I get back to the loadscreen that appears when mounting root filesystem, etc but this time without any progress nor text, I don't get the usual login prompt (graphical) so I press ctra alt F1 and change ServerCmd back to the usual and everything works fine again, the ...
[04:37] <rawrness> ahh didn't know there was a offtopic
[04:37] <c00i90wn> ... question is, why isn't working with the changed ServerCmd ?
[04:37] <c00i90wn> I'm using kubuntu dapper
[04:40] <rawrness> and now i reitre
[04:40] <JavierElectrico> Hi
[04:41] <Admiral_Chicago> c00i90wn, #ubuntu-xgl
[04:42] <Jucato> hm... are there "open source" fonts?
[04:43] <flaccid_> there is
[04:43] <flaccid_> a good site on it
[04:43] <flaccid_> heh can't remember it
[04:43] <flaccid_> !fonts
[04:43] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto
[04:43] <ubotu> No fonts in flash? Install msttcorefonts, gsfonts, and gsfonts-x11 , No fonts in mplayer? see !mplayer
[04:43] <Jucato> heh
[04:43] <flaccid_> hmm
[04:43] <Jucato> no I don't want msttcorefonts :P
[04:43] <warpzone> arg need to restart X
[04:43] <Jucato> silly ubotu :)
[04:43] <flaccid_> i wish there was a way to search ubotu
[04:43] <flaccid_> search for *font*
[04:43] <Jucato> heh
[04:44] <flaccid_> do you want free or open fonts?
[04:44] <Admiral_Chicago> that would be cool
[04:44] <Jucato> hm... either would be good...
[04:44] <larson9999> free and open
[04:45] <Admiral_Chicago> F&O
[04:45] <flaccid_> you want to change an open font?
[04:45] <larson9999> they're all free 'cause them aint our credit cards'
[04:45] <Jucato> I'm actually looking for a particular kind of font...
[04:45] <NameNomad> how do I install Flashplayer on Konqueror?
[04:45] <NameNomad> I've tried working through adept
[04:45] <NameNomad> the command line
[04:45] <NameNomad> in the home folder
[04:45] <flaccid_> google returns a lot
[04:45] <Jucato> something like the font for old terminals/computers
[04:46] <flaccid_> find out the font name and then search?
[04:46] <josh_> whats up people... quick question... what is the conf file i need to modify to allow the localhost to ftp to itself?
[04:47] <Jucato> flaccid_: the problem is finding the font name :P
[04:47] <flaccid_> hmm
[04:48] <josh_> anyone?
[04:48] <Jucato> I have an idea what it looks like, but I just don't know what it is called... oh well... time to Google
[04:48] <flaccid_> josh_: you mean you can't do ftp localhost?
[04:48] <josh_> nope
[04:48] <flaccid_> i'll just install proftpd
[04:49] <josh_> i already have that
[04:49] <flaccid_> but i don't!
[04:49] <josh_> ahh
[04:49] <josh_> ok
[04:49] <josh_> gotcha
[04:49] <flaccid_> you running standalone?
[04:49] <josh_> is it possible my router isn't letting that happen?
[04:49] <josh_> yes
[04:50] <flaccid_> it wouldn't go through your router if its localhost
[04:50] <josh_> i can access the ftp from outside the network
[04:50] <flaccid_> 1sec i'll see if it allows localhost by default
[04:50] <josh_> well outside the network is incorrect... i can access it from every computer but mine
[04:50] <flaccid_> incorrect?
[04:51] <josh_> yeah... its not just outsiders that can its all 5 computers inside the network also....
[04:51] <josh_> the computer running the server is the only one that cant log into itself
[04:52] <mark_2> not so uncommon
[04:52] <mark_2> tho i dont know how to fix it :)
[04:52] <josh_> lol
[04:52] <josh_> well im sure there is some conf file that i dont know about that has it blocked for some reason...
[04:53] <flaccid_> josh_: on default install it allows localhost
[04:53] <Jucato> flaccid_: found a font. http://desktoppub.about.com/library/fonts/dd/uc_digitek.htm (it's too thick, though)
[04:53] <josh_> hmm
[04:53] <flaccid_> could it be firewall?
[04:53] <josh_> well something has gone horribly wrong then...
[04:53] <josh_> i dont have a firewall set and i am dmzed
[04:55] <flaccid_> did you edit the proftpd conf at all?
[04:55] <mark_2> eww
[04:55] <josh_> yeah but only to set attribs for ftpusers and change the port number it listens for
[04:55] <mark_2> my cat is chewing and smelling an old unwashed sock
[04:55] <Jucato> poor cat
[04:56] <NameNomad> how can I install flashplayer if my browser is Konqueror?
[04:56] <mark_2> she seems to like it >.>
[04:56] <NameNomad> should I even use Konqueror as my browser, or switch to mozilla?
[04:56] <flaccid_> josh_:  you changed port number?
[04:56] <mark_2> mozilla is better generally
[04:56] <josh_> yes
[04:56] <Zaire> anyone know how to get sound on realplayer?
[04:57] <josh_> my cable company is a bunghole and block 21 and 80
[04:57] <Jucato> NameNomad: download the flasphlugin-nonfree package. make sure the multiverse repository is enabled, and that dapper-backports is disabled
[04:57] <josh_> so i had to set ftp up on 77
[04:57] <flaccid_> Jucato: ah nice. but yes think
[04:58] <flaccid_> josh_: what does this return sudo netstat -tap | grep ftp
[04:58] <Zaire> can you browse the net josh
[04:58] <josh_> tcp        0      0 *:rje                   *:*                     LISTEN     4417/proftpd: (acce
[04:58] <Zaire> if you can browse the net then 80 isn't blocked cause if it were you couldn't
[04:59] <DeadSouL> hello all
[04:59] <mark_2> maybe the webpages are ghost webpages
[04:59] <mark_2> like in that movie, pulse
[04:59] <flaccid_> josh_: so ftp localhost 77 doesn't work?
[04:59] <josh_> ok they block 80 for incoming
[04:59] <josh_> nope
[05:00] <Zaire> still can anyone tell me how to get audio on realplayer
[05:00] <Zaire> Im trying to stream from ifilm.com and I get no audio
[05:00] <mark_2> have you tried 'aoss realplayer'?
[05:00] <flaccid_> hmm how can i do a netstat -tap and see the actual port numbers they are listening on?
[05:00] <mark_2> i think i remember it uses oss
[05:01] <flaccid_> josh_: what does host localhost return?
[05:01] <mark_2> is it firefox embedded?
[05:01] <mark_2> zaire?
[05:01] <josh_> connection refused
[05:01] <DeadSouL> What was the name of p2p sharing program which starts with fire....?
[05:01] <mark_2> firewire?
[05:01] <jj_> lol
[05:01] <josh_> thats limewire
[05:01] <flaccid_> josh_: host localhost returns connection refused?
[05:01] <josh_> yeah lol
[05:01] <Zaire> not really I had to get an extension to grab the player
[05:01] <josh_> ****ed up huh
[05:02] <flaccid_> josh_: what does ping localhost do?
[05:02] <DeadSouL> :) No in Ubuntu help it syas that firewire is video capturing program
[05:02] <josh_> pings me
[05:02] <flaccid_> 127.0.0.1 ?
[05:02] <josh_> same
[05:02] <mark_2> ok, so the player is launched by you, not inside an ifilm webpage?
[05:02] <flaccid_> josh_: pastebin your /etc/hosts file
[05:03] <Zaire> nope it launchs outside
[05:03] <flaccid_> !proftpd
[05:03] <ubotu> proftpd: Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.10-27ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 351 kB, installed size 1052 kB
[05:03] <mark_2> then install alsa-oss, and do aoss realplayer
[05:03] <Zaire> but I have no audio oddly enough
[05:03] <josh_> 127.0.0.1 localhost Linux
[05:03] <josh_> thats the only line i modified... the rest is the mac addy and eth0 stuff
[05:04] <josh_> ipv6 stuff i mean
[05:04] <flaccid_> try doing 127.0.0.1 localhost
[05:04] <flaccid_> the new line 127.0.1.1 linux linux.domain.tld
[05:04] <josh_> times out
[05:04] <flaccid_> replacing domain.tld with your lan domain
[05:05] <Zaire> there is no aoss realplayer package
[05:05] <josh_> i can ping linux and get a response, ping 127.0.0.1 and get response and ping localhost and get response
[05:05] <flaccid_> josh_: this is why you should change the hosts file
[05:06] <josh_> im not in a domain though
[05:06] <flaccid_> you should be
[05:06] <josh_> so no reason to add a domain name to my hosts file
[05:06] <flaccid_> make your own
[05:06] <MasterEvilAce> sup ladies
[05:06] <josh_> this computer would be outside the domain anyway then...
[05:07] <flaccid_> josh_: this is the domain of your lan
[05:07] <flaccid_> josh_: also pastebin your proftpd.conf
[05:07] <josh_> phone call bbiaf
[05:07] <flaccid_> bbiaf?
[05:08] <josh_> be back in a few
[05:08] <flaccid_> in a few ok
[05:08] <flaccid_> i'm going to have a shower
[05:08] <josh_> lol
[05:32] <Jucato> !games > Jucato
[05:41] <nonickname> can anyone tell me what the device dm-0 is?
[05:44] <nonickname> does dm stand for disk manager?
[05:44] <nonickname> can you hear me now?
[05:48] <CraZy675> I was wondering if anyone was aware of any software that would sync your id3 tags on your mp3 like musicbrainz does
[05:49] <phlatus> hello
[05:52] <CraZy675> i guess this is not the most active time of this channel
[05:52] <CraZy675> at this time of day
[05:53] <jamadagni> hello people
[05:53] <jamadagni> i am running dapper
[05:54] <jamadagni> and while compiling a program i get the errro:
[05:54] <jamadagni> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[05:54] <jamadagni> now i have installed xserver-xorg-dev and dependencies
[05:54] <jamadagni> still i get this error
[05:54] <jamadagni> what to do?
[05:54] <jamadagni> thanks
[05:55] <flaccid_> jamadagni: did you google the problem?
[05:57] <flaccid_> jamadagni: 1st result: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23570.html
[05:59] <jamadagni> sorry flaccid_, i should have done so. thanks
[05:59] <flaccid_> hehe np
[06:01] <flaccid_> how to clear dns lookup cache?
[06:02] <SillyZ> gevening
[06:05] <flaccid_> how to export a layer in krita for .psd?
[06:12] <nai> hi, my old laptop has kubuntu.... now for some odd reason after entering a right password and user login it always goes back to the login screen the desktop wont launch
[06:14] <DeadSouL> Is there a way to retrieve our Jabber account's password
[06:27] <Linux_Galore> nai: press ctrl alt F1 then try login, if it doesnt work it means you have the wrong user name and password
[06:34] <mom> hi how come i my other accounts cant log in.... i have 4 accounts only this one is working,,, even the first accoutn wont login ....im using the correct user and password for sure. but when i hit log in button it comes back to the login screen without any warnings or what soever
[06:36] <DeadSouL> mom you have to use small characters for screenname
[06:37] <DeadSouL> not capitals
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> Or theres some major kde config screwup.
[06:37] <mom> yes they are in small
[06:38] <mom> ok i go switch
[06:40] <mom> cant switch
[06:40] <mom> is there a way to find outwhats the problem
[06:44] <Linux_Galore> mom: dare say you trying to use the wrong password for that account
[06:45] <mom> its impossible forme to be qrong because i set it up my self and i tried it so many times different accounts,,,,i really feel something is wrong.
[06:47] <Linux_Galore> mom: I admin over 300 Linux machines, amazing all the password work
[06:47] <Linux_Galore> mom: just change the "users" password from you main account
[06:47] <Linux_Galore> mom: you can do it under kcontrol
[06:48] <Linux_Galore> mom: then try login again
[06:48] <mom> hmmm...how come only this account works... is there a way to check if they are working because im new but i know i keyed in the right user and password for all 3 accounts that are not working
[06:48] <mom> thats the prob.... my main account wont login too...
[06:48] <Linux_Galore> mom: theres a utility in kcontrol to manage the user accounts
[06:49] <Linux_Galore> mom: well it could be a bad hardisk
[06:49] <mom> kuser? i go try
[06:49] <mom> wait about bad hard disk how do i know;.... that could be som ehting cause this is an old laptop....  i guess that could be
[06:50] <mom> i cant login kuser it wont accept my root password;...
[06:50] <Linux_Galore> mom: could be sector corruptions causing the passwords hash's to fail
[06:50] <mom> so if htats the prob what can i do/ or is there a solution or goodbye/
[06:50] <Healot> if the shadow fail is corrupted...
[06:51] <Linux_Galore> mom: just type sudo passwd
[06:51] <mom> i got in the terminal but  in kuser it wont go in
[06:52] <mom> error opening /etc/shadow for reading...i tried launching kuser from terminal
[06:53] <Lynoure> sudo kuser ?
[06:53] <Healot> kdesu
[06:54] <mom> locales n ot supported by x
[06:54] <mom> then nothing happens
[06:54] <Lynoure> Healot: thank you, I'm daft after just waking up
[06:55] <mom> how do i determine if my hdis the problem
[06:55] <ubuntu> Hi, after completing kubuntu install at reboot I got this error while logging in: " Could not start kstartupconfig. Check your install" Not a nice start for first time kubuntu use. Any Idea? Do I have to reinstall it again?
[06:56] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu it does nothing
[06:56] <Linux_Galore> Linux_Galore: can you get to the desktop
[06:57] <ubuntu> Linux_Galoreo, So what do I have to do?
[06:57] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu can you get to your desktop
[06:57] <ubuntu> I am currently booted with kubuntu livecd
[06:57] <ubuntu> So, I can mount if you wish
[06:58] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu /me smacks head on wall
[06:58] <Linux_Galore> can "you" get to your desktop . simple yes or no
[06:58] <ubuntu> yes
[06:58] <mom> ok i go check
[06:59] <Linux_Galore> ubuntuok then there is no real issue all thats happening is the setup script isnt working, to be honest it doesnt nothing but annoy you
[06:59] <ubuntu> Linux_Galore No I am not able to do Anything with what I have installed. As I said, I have booted with livecd. This is what I said and you did ask me the same question again
[06:59] <ubuntu> Linux_Galore No I am not able to get to my desktop
[07:00] <ubuntu> Linux_Galore No I am not able to do anything with what I installed
[07:00] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu so you "booting" from a live CD and you havent done an install ??
[07:00] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu so the answer is "no"
[07:00] <ubuntu> I am booting from live cd because the install i have done fails!
[07:00] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu so you boot up from the hardisk and what do you see
[07:00] <ubuntu> and yes, I have done an install, as previously stated, and when trying to login I get the above error and it kicks me back to locgin screen
[07:01] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu also what version of kubuntu are you using
[07:01] <ubuntu> Linux_Galore I boot up from hd and get all the way to kde login succesfully
[07:01] <ubuntu> latest one. 6.06.1
[07:01] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu ok that basically means Linux is working fine the desktop login is having issues
[07:02] <ubuntu> when I put my user ID and passwd then I get that error and return back to same logon screen
[07:02] <ubuntu> probably
[07:02] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu that basically means you have the wrong user and password
[07:02] <ubuntu> assuming so (which I doubt as typed my data at install time) what to do?
[07:03] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu you need to reset the password manually
[07:03] <ubuntu> from where? live cd or boot from hd?
[07:03] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu if you swap to a terminal with ctrl alt f1 and try to login does it fail
[07:04] <ubuntu> no it does not fail. Contrary, I am succesfully able to log on
[07:04] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu ok that tells me there is a problem with kde
[07:04] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu login in a terminal type rm -rf .kde
[07:05] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu then type halt
[07:05] <ubuntu> in a terminal from live cd, right?
[07:05] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu I I want you to do anything on the live CD I will say "go and use the live cd"
[07:06] <ubuntu> so I have to reboot as am using the same pc now
[07:06] <ubuntu> and will loose connection
[07:06] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu boot up of the hardisk and press ctrl alt F1
[07:06] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu then login
[07:06] <ubuntu> with my user ID
[07:06] <feet> yes
[07:07] <Linux_Galore> yes
[07:07] <ubuntu> then will type rm -rf .kde and then halt
[07:07] <ubuntu> then what next?
[07:07] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu reboot it should work
[07:07] <feet> sudo reboot :-)
[07:07] <ubuntu> thank you
[07:07] <ubuntu> correct
[07:07] <ubuntu> bye
[07:07] <ubuntu> or init 6
[07:07] <feet> lol
[07:08] <feet> i was going to ask something and now i forgot.. oh yeah!
[07:08] <Linux_Galore> its amazing I did a pile of kubuntu install last month I only had issues with X
[07:08] <feet> when i go to do anything with apt-get, it says something about "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer needed blah blah blah"... and lists nearly all the packages mentioned in kubuntu-desktop... whats up with that?
[07:09] <Linux_Galore> feet: depends what your trying to install
[07:10] <Linux_Galore> or have installed
[07:10] <feet> anything
[07:10] <feet> anything at all
[07:10] <feet> oh could be what i have installed too
[07:10] <feet> or dont have
[07:10] <Linux_Galore> feet: tells me you have installed another working graphical enviroment for some weird reason and the base kubuntu-desktop has been deprecated
[07:11] <feet> i dont have anything but KDE
[07:11] <feet> note:i dont have kubuntu-desktop, would it complain because of this?
[07:12] <Linux_Galore> feet: look in package manager and search for kde  bet you have two version of kde installed
[07:12] <feet> oh
[07:12] <Linux_Galore> feet: just remove the old one
[07:12] <feet> and how do i do that
[07:12] <feet> O_o
[07:12] <Linux_Galore> in the package manager
[07:13] <feet> okay, just a tick, opening synaptic
[07:13] <feet> get rid of kdebase, you think??
[07:14] <Linux_Galore> feet: yeah look at the version number get rid of the one with the lower version
[07:14] <feet> oh
[07:14] <feet> hmm
[07:14] <Linux_Galore> feet:  or just search for kubuntu
[07:14] <feet> theres kdebase and kde4base...
[07:15] <feet> i dont remember getting kde4base=\
[07:15] <Linux_Galore> feet: so you tried to update to kde 4 lol, you know its not finnished
[07:15] <feet> no
[07:15] <feet> i didnt
[07:15] <feet> =\
[07:15] <Linux_Galore> well thats why it has "BETA" written all over it
[07:16] <feet> over what?
[07:16] <Jucato> maybe you added a repository from Kubuntu.org
[07:16] <feet> well im not the only one who uses this computer so its very likely someone else did
[07:16] <Linux_Galore> I suepect he/she has added the kde 4 repo on the home page
[07:16] <Linux_Galore> not a wise move of you not a developer
[07:16] <Jucato> If this page looks familiar to you: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.1.php then you probably added the KDE 4 repo by mistake
[07:17] <feet> nope
[07:17] <feet> uhh... well okay, now we can see what is wrong
[07:17] <feet> what can i do now?
[07:18] <Linux_Galore> feet: remove the kde4 stuff
[07:18] <feet> it says to meet dependencies, it would remove just about everything in kubuntu-desktop =\
[07:18] <feet> oh no, wait i know how to do this
[07:18] <feet> good ol' export
[07:24] <Jucato> ooh net split!!!
[07:24] <feet> secret maryo chronicles for one (we have a lot of games lol)
[07:24] <feet> wow big net split
[07:24] <Jucato> heh yeah
[07:25] <unix_infidel> is archive.ubuntu.org slow for anyone else?
[07:25] <Jucato> it will be slow/fast to some people depending on their internet connection and locale
[07:25] <feet> it would be slow, with everyone racing around getting edgy and being the main mirror..
[07:26] <unix_infidel> Jucato: i'm usually at 150K in the southern united states.
[07:27] <unix_infidel> its REALLY slow, at about 2K/s
[07:27] <Jucato> afaik, archive.ubuntu.com is in UK?
[07:27] <feet> somewhere in europe yeh
[07:27] <feet> why not use us.archive.ubuntu.org ??
[07:28] <unix_infidel> feet: b/c that's usually slower.
[07:29] <unix_infidel> for me anyway.
[07:29] <feet> oh
[07:47] <user___> Linux_Galore: I am back. I was able to enter in kubuntu
[07:48] <user___> Linux_Galore: the user home directory was not even being created. So, I had to re-create it manually by using useradd
[07:50] <user___> the strange thing, ( I was hopeing to switch from one distro to this and I already have an issue :-(, is that in accessing setup data, like users and groups after I login as administrator I am not able to see the users but rather I get this error: "Impossible to load  the module  Users & Groups Why is this?
[07:51] <user___> Anybody can help me with the above question please?
[07:51] <osiris> sounds like a botched install
[07:51] <Linux_Galore> user__ fast way is install it again
[07:51] <Linux_Galore> yeah sounds like something is seriously broken
[07:51] <user___> install kubuntu entirely?
[07:52] <Linux_Galore> user__ yep
[07:52] <osiris> is this a kubuntu 64 install or something
[07:52] <user___> yes
[07:52] <osiris> install the 32
[07:52] <osiris> most 64 bit distro's are quite buggy
[07:54] <osiris> im sure i'll have 50 people tell me they run it with no issues, and im sure they do.  but from what i have seen, 64 bit is a lot more touch and go, than 32
[07:57] <user___> I do not know
[07:57] <Lynoure> ArrenLex: a netsplit
[07:57] <user___> ok
[07:57] <user___> bye, I will install it again
[07:57] <aquablu> im using 6.06LTS drapper on a toshiba lappie
[07:57] <harleypig> !sound
[07:57] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:57] <Jucato> the return of the netsplitters
[07:57] <ArrenLex> aquablu: they're not available from the ubuntu repositories AFAIK.
[07:57] <harleypig> !card1
[07:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about card1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:57] <ArrenLex> Download them from the mplayer web site.
[07:57] <aquablu> ok Arren
[07:57] <harleypig> !card0
[07:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about card0 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:58] <harleypig> shit
[07:58] <aquablu> then just put them in correct dir, what would be the path to put them in, if i do it manually
[07:58] <harleypig> Anyone point me to how to make alsa use card1 instaed of card0?
[07:58] <aquablu> is it /usr/libwin32
[07:59] <user___> and what would I loose or gain if instead of installing kubuntu64 I install kubuntu32 considering I run amd64 CPU?
[07:59] <osiris> stability
[07:59] <osiris> more ported apps
[08:00] <user___> and what would I loose?
[08:00] <ArrenLex> User: to be frank, nothing. You will not notice the speed-up. You might notice the binaries got a little bigger because of long pointers. What you'll lose is the ability to run many applications. Like flash.
[08:00] <ArrenLex> If you have lots of memory, like 4GB+, 64-bit allows you to access all of that. That's a big difference.
[08:00] <aquablu>  You will need to go download one of the
[08:00] <aquablu> archives:
[08:00] <aquablu>     j2sdk-1_4_2-doc.zip j2sdk-1_4_0-doc-ja.zip j2sdk-1_4_2-doc-ja.zip
[08:00] <aquablu> (choose the non-update version if this is the first installation).
[08:00] <aquablu> Please vis
[08:00] <aquablu> dam whats that mean
[08:01] <osiris> !pastebin > aquablu
[08:01] <user___> so, your advice is to download 32 bit iso and install kubuntu. correct?
[08:01] <osiris> yes
[08:01] <user___> ah, bty: what if I do not find an application I wish to install (ex. audacity)?
[08:01] <Jucato> !audacity
[08:01] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 1842 kB, installed size 5460 kB
[08:01] <osiris> then you might need to add some package repo's to get them
[08:02] <osiris> there are how-to's out there for that stuff
[08:02] <user___> and how to do so? I recall I have to modify adept to add more repository sites? is this correct?
[08:02] <osiris> !repos
[08:02] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:03] <user___> I see
[08:03] <user___> I will be doing some reading and will ask later on
[08:04] <user___> let me download 32 bit as you adviced me to do and will install kubuntu again
[08:04] <user___> so this is what I must download: kubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-i386.iso
[08:04] <aquablu> whats the directory to put the win32 codecs in?
[08:04] <osiris> that, or the liveCD version
[08:05] <user___> and what is this  kubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-i386.iso  ?
[08:05] <osiris> the live version
[08:05] <user___> do Ihave to install alternative or desktop?
[08:05] <user___> I am looking at this site: http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/6.06.1/ where is livecd?
[08:05] <osiris> either should work.  alternate is for older/lower spec. machines
[08:05] <user___> osiris: you are saying live cd where do I get it?
[08:05] <Jucato> !w32codecs > aquablu
[08:06] <osiris> http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/6.06.1/kubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-i386.iso
[08:06] <osiris> thats the live cd.  it lets you run kubuntu from ram, and install it whle the desktop is up
[08:07] <user___> so it is desktop for i386 same as this one then: kubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-i386.iso
[08:07] <mjcar> where would I find out when the samba package is going to be upgraded in ubuntu (from 3.0.22 to 3.0.23c) ?
[08:07] <osiris> yes
[08:08] <user___> thks
[08:08] <osiris> mjcar, maybee in #samba ?
[08:08] <user___> it is downloading it now
[08:08] <mjcar> ubuntu packaging ?
[08:08] <mjcar> in samba ?
[08:08] <lsproc> KDE Print is refusing to see my shared HP DeskJet 960c printer over the network. It sees every other printer, except that one, the one I need
[08:08] <mjcar> doubt it...
[08:09] <lsproc> This is over Samba
[08:09] <mjcar> 3.0.23c is relased for samba already
[08:09] <mjcar> just wondering when ubuntu woudl adopt it and package it
[08:09] <kraut> moin
[08:19] <user___> ubotu: I need to ask another question on repository, please. I am reading the doc which says to enable Universe and "Multiverse repositories"The first step on this page is to locate deb and deb-src. I see them both repeated with dapper and dapper-updates and dapper-security All have "main restricted" setting. Now, is this doc saying to add to all of them " multiverse "  leaving also main restricted?
[08:19] <Jucato> user___: you are talking to a bot
[08:20] <aquablu> yeh so hard to get anything working on kubuntu, nothing like slackware of ease of use
[08:20] <user___> :-) I see now
[08:21] <user___> well my question still remain valid
[08:21] <user___> Is what I said before correct?
[08:21] <user___> Jucato: sometimes it is nice to talk to robots, right ;-)
[08:21] <Jucato> you don't need to add "multiverse" to those lines with "main restricted" but to those lines with "universe"
[08:22] <Jucato> remember, just add "multiverse", do not replace universe or anything
[08:22] <user___> Jucato: I see. So, I must live those alone. I see other grayed out lines deb and deb-src with universe
[08:23] <feet> probably not yet activated
[08:23] <feet> brb
[08:23] <user___> I ativated them now.
[08:23] <Jucato> the line you might be interested in would be something like "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe"
[08:23] <user___> To this I should add multiverse
[08:23] <Jucato> add "multiverse" to that line
[08:24] <user___> I add, meaning I also mive universe
[08:24] <Jucato> user___: no
[08:24] <nalioth> user___: did you find your answers?
[08:24] <user___> yes I did
[08:25] <Jucato> add, meaning it will become something like "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse"
[08:25] <aquablu> im think a fdisk might be in order to this distro
[08:25] <user___> I am just puzzled: do I live as componet universe and multiverse or just "multiverse" and remove universe?
[08:26] <user___> the kubuntu doc says " Double click the universe text so that you get an edit box and beside universe type multiverse and hit Enter and do the same for the other line as well" as I did
[08:26] <Jucato> user___: I said add "multiverse", meaning you add multiverse to the line with universe, like in the example I typed
[08:26] <user___> sure
[08:26] <Jucato> leave universe alone
[08:26] <feet> dont get rid of anything
[08:26] <user___> done as you said
[08:26] <Jucato> you add multiverse, meaning type the word "multiverse" beside the word "universe"
[08:27] <user___> Now, is this the only repository to add?
[08:27] <Jucato> basically, yes. unless you want to install Opera
[08:27] <feet> or Real
[08:28] <Jucato> bleh :P
[08:28] <feet> hehe
[08:28] <user___> is there a website with all repository available for kubuntu with descriptions
[08:28] <feet> the packages site, i suppose
[08:28] <Jucato> user___: those are it. at least the official Ubuntu repos
[08:28] <user___> ok, thks for now
[08:28] <user___> i gotit
[08:28] <user___> :-)
[08:29] <feet> :D
[08:30] <user___> do I have to use adept or can i also use add/remove programs from k menu ? One looks different than the other
[08:30] <feet> they are both adept, in essence
[08:30] <feet> the add remove programs is just a simplified version that shows way less items
[08:30] <Jucato> Add/Remove Programs (Adept Installer) is a simplified version
[08:31] <Jucato> :P
[08:31] <Jucato> shows less items, and less options
[08:31] <feet> you might use use adept package manager to get some obscure things like libraries and things
[08:31] <user___> sure
[08:31] <Jucato> or repositories, or... hm....
[08:31] <feet> yeah and the other apt stuff
[08:32] <user___> when downloaded the iso file which was automatically done where did it save it?
[08:32] <jewels9321> i need some help finding the package to download for burning wav files.... i've looked around and am not finding anything
[08:33] <feet> did you download it while using linux, or perhaps windows, user__ ??
[08:33] <user___> no, using konqueror
[08:33] <feet> oh
[08:33] <feet> home folder probably
[08:33] <user___> not there
[08:33] <jewels9321> does anyone know the name of the package off the top of their head?
[08:33] <feet> desktop?
[08:34] <Jucato> Desktop?
[08:34] <feet> i wasnt aware wavs could be burned to cd lol
[08:34] <Jucato> I wasn't aware that they couldn't
[08:34] <|lostbyte|> user__, find ~/ | grep *.iso
[08:35] <Jucato> ah... the art of using find...
[08:35] <jewels9321> i am pretty sure that they can
[08:35] <feet> always fun
[08:35] <|lostbyte|> :)
[08:35] <user___> never mind. I am downloading it again
[08:35] <Linux_Galore> you can burn just about any data file to a cd
[08:35] <feet> O_o
[08:35] <feet> oh
[08:35] <feet> as a DATA file?
[08:35] <Linux_Galore> yes
[08:36] <user___> is it possible then when my system is up and running to recompile the kernel removing unecesary stuff?
[08:36] <feet> then burning it as a data cd would work
[08:36] <|lostbyte|> user__, so you used the open option by mistake.
[08:36] <Jucato> unless jewels9321 was trying to burn them as an audio cd?
[08:36] <Linux_Galore> feet: yep
[08:36] <feet> as an audio cd... hmm
[08:36] <jewels9321> jucato: yes i am trying to burn as an audio cd
[08:36] <user___> |lostbyte| perhaps
[08:36] <feet> i would convert them into mp3s myself
[08:36] <|lostbyte|> user__, yes
[08:36] <Jucato> err ok that's different...
[08:37] <feet> you could always try soundkonverter
[08:37] <aquablu> how do i use dpkg, i have just wget the codecs
[08:37] <_mark> hello!
[08:37] <feet> sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[08:37] <Jucato> aquablu: "sudo dpkg -i <.deb name>:"
[08:37] <aquablu> k
[08:37] <feet> there you go aquablu
[08:37] <aquablu> thnx
[08:37] <feet> also, you can right click the package within konqueror to bring up an installer menu
[08:38] <feet> hello mark
[08:38] <user___> is it possible to recompile the kernel kubuntu installed by default (generic) to optimize it and remove un-necesary stuff?
[08:38] <feet> indeed it is
[08:38] <aquablu> ok
[08:38] <Linux_Galore> feet you can use k3b to burn audio cd's made from wav files
[08:38] <user___> is it difficult? Any doc on this
[08:38] <oli> apt-get install libk3b2-mp3 <-- tu burn audio cd from mp3 files :)
[08:38] <feet> well has jewels9321 tried that?
[08:38] <_mark> hihi feet
[08:38] <_mark> im a suse user again ; ;
[08:39] <feet> we need em from wavs... know anything there oli?
[08:39] <jewels9321> Linux_Galore: k3b just tells me that it is unsupported format, so i need wav file support
[08:39] <Linux_Galore> oli: ooh yeah forgot about that
[08:39] <feet> heh
[08:39] <|lostbyte|> !kernel
[08:39] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[08:39] <feet> well i would convert em to mp3 anyway
[08:39] <|lostbyte|> user__, ^^
[08:39] <Linux_Galore> jewels9321: I have k3b 1.0 installed
[08:40] <aquablu> im actually root in the shell so i wouldnt have to use sudo?
[08:40] <oli> yea
[08:40] <feet> no need for sudo
[08:40] <Linux_Galore> aquablu: no you dont have to use sudo if root
[08:40] <aquablu> ok thnx
[08:40] <|lostbyte|> feet, use sudo, and su if really nessary.
[08:41] <Linux_Galore> aquablu: just be carefull with things like rm -rf
[08:41] <feet> why are you telling me that |lostbyte|
[08:41] <aquablu> dam im sitting on my laptop watchng t.v and guess whos on "rydge from that bold and beautiful"
[08:41] <aquablu> gee hes wooden
[08:41] <jewels9321> Linux_Galore: really? That's nice. I did try wav2cdr but it doesn't seem to make it work
[08:41] <_mark> ugh
[08:41] <user___> ok, last question for now (I asked kernel compile because with gentoo I used not to implement generic kernel but just what what was necessary) What if i wish to install unstable-testing packages that are not marked stable? Would adept also provide those packages?
[08:41] <|lostbyte|> one beacuse of what Linux_Galore said.
[08:42] <_mark> anyone know how to build a custom kernel in suse?
[08:42] <aquablu> what does rm -rf do?
[08:42] <_mark> kills stuff
[08:42] <_mark> do rm -rf /
[08:42] <aquablu> ok
[08:42] <|lostbyte|> feet, the main goal of the sudo is to do various task with minimal permitions.
[08:42] <Linux_Galore> aquablu: removes stuff permanently
[08:42] <aquablu> oh gee
[08:43] <_mark> ya you shouldnt do rm -rf /
[08:43] <Linux_Galore> rm -rf /   basically kills you install
[08:43] <_mark> it nukes your linux
[08:43] <aquablu> wow
[08:43] <unix_infidel> or ask about building kernels for another distro in #Kubuntu
[08:43] <user___> anyone with my package question please?
[08:43] <unix_infidel> another bad idea.
[08:43] <motorcitymadman> i installed flash player to firefox before i installed gsfonts,gsfonts-x11. the flash player is not working.installing player before gsfonts cause this problem ?
[08:43] <_mark> sorry unix infidel, but the suse channel is really dead
[08:44] <jpiccolo_> anyone know where the xorg like thing is for fluxbox?
[08:44] <Linux_Galore> motorcitymadman:  dont install the gnu flash player its total rubbish
[08:44] <_mark> i would stay with kubuntu but something in the packages keeps freezing my computer
[08:44] <motorcitymadman> Linux_Galore: is there a nother ?
[08:44] <_mark> maybe when edgy is released
[08:44] <user___> got to go now.
[08:45] <Linux_Galore> motorcitymadman: yes the "official" one on the macromedia.com page
[08:45] <|lostbyte|> motorcitymadman, download the flash plugin and place them in the plugin folder.
[08:45] <|lostbyte|> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !!!
[08:45] <Linux_Galore> heh heh
[08:45] <user___> any change someone can reply to this question: I have few minutes left: What if i wish to install unstable-testing packages that are not marked stable? Would adept also provide those packages?
[08:45] <feet> another netsplit
[08:46] <feet> netsplits are fun :D especially on these huge networks
[08:46] <feet> user__: those would be in the edgy repositories
[08:46] <Linux_Galore> user__ if you add the repository to adept all the packages there are available for install
[08:46] <_mark> gah
[08:46] <motorcitymadman> |lostbyte|: that wood be /usr/lib/firefox ?
[08:46] <user___> Linux_Galore this mean that there sould be a repository for testing packags, right?
[08:47] <Linux_Galore> user__ yeah edgy
[08:47] <feet> the edgy release is our version of unstable/testing
[08:47] <user___> thks
[08:47] <feet> dapper is currently our version of stable
[08:47] <feet> edgy will be the new 'stable' next month
[08:47] <user___> bye all (I wish you all a great day) :-)
[08:47] <|lostbyte|> motorcitymadman, /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/, your right.
[08:47] <feet> bye bye user :D
[08:47] <feet> happy kubuntu-ing
[08:48] <Linux_Galore> user__ just change all the repositories from dapper to edgy and you have access to all the new unstable stuff
[08:48] <user___> greatr
[08:48] <_mark> linux galore
[08:48] <Linux_Galore> user__ I wouldnt though its a great way to nuke your install
[08:48] <cam> Hey all I need to change my permissions I'm trying to overwrite my firefox "profile" to restore them from a back up rom my Pc...
[08:48] <_mark> do you have any idea if theres been a bug reported with the 686 smp kernels?
[08:49] <CroX> I'm having problem with my system freezing on me every now and then, especially when working with alot of applications at the same time. Anyone care to help me out?
[08:49] <_mark> or a software package reacting badly to them
[08:49] <user___> all of them  or just the one where I added multiverse?
[08:49] <feet> describe what happens, CroX
[08:49] <feet> all of them
[08:49] <feet> every single one, user
[08:49] <Linux_Galore> user__ the whole lot
[08:49] <feet> mixing dapper with edgy is dangerous
[08:49] <feet> actually, using edgy is still a bit dangerous lol
[08:49] <cam> can someone please help  me?
[08:50] <feet> sure cam
[08:50] <Linux_Galore> yeah I still cant get edgy to install (node 3)
[08:50] <Linux_Galore> keeps stuffing up on X
[08:50] <CroX> feet: It just freezes. Nothing happens, cursor wont move, commands (ctrl+alt+del, ctrl+shift+backspace) doesn't go through. Frozen.
[08:50] <user___> is it possible I just installed xchat and do not see any icon in k menu?
[08:50] <cam>  I need to change my permissions I'm trying to overwrite my firefox "profile" to restore them from a back up rom my Pc...
[08:50] <feet> it takes a wee bit to update user, yes
[08:50] <CroX> feet: At first I thought it was the gfx card not having drivers, so I updated to current ati ones. But still it freezes.
[08:51] <cam> when I try it says I can't I assume it's permissions...
[08:51] <|lostbyte|> cam, rom ?
[08:51] <feet> your firefox profile? now i would think thats stored in ~/.firefox
[08:51] <aquablu> ok the problem i have no wi have all these movie players installed ,is that the movie wants to play then flashes away, thats any movie i go to watch
[08:51] <user___> so what to do to get it updated?
[08:51] <Jucato> user___: type this command in Konsole "kbuildsycoca --incremental" and ignore error messages. then check your K Menu again
[08:51] <aquablu> x11 or something
[08:51] <vega-> is there some ubuntu-gnome metapackage that allows for easy removal of all gnome* stuff from kubuntu?
[08:51] <cam> I can see it it just won;t allow me to overwrite
[08:51] <vega-> so it would be just like kubuntu installed from scratch
[08:51] <feet> try using sudo
[08:51] <feet> or su
[08:51] <Linux_Galore> yeah the user profile for firefox is installed under ~/.mozilla/firefox
[08:51] <user___> yea it worked
[08:51] <feet> nine times out of ten, if you cant do it, root can
[08:52] <user___> is there a way to get this fixed for kubuntu users?
[08:52] <cam> I want to transfer my bookmarks from my pc to kubuntu,
[08:52] <CroX> feet: Any idea on what can be causing this?
[08:52] <feet> well what programs do you regularly use
[08:52] <Jucato> vega-: none, but you can try this guide: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[08:52] <Linux_Galore> user__ fix what ?
[08:52] <|lostbyte|> Linux_Galore, and /etc/firefox/profile/ ?
[08:52] <Linux_Galore> |lostbyte|: that just for the startup
[08:52] <cam> do I have to change permissions?
[08:52] <feet> no
[08:53] <cam> ?
[08:53] <feet> well you can
[08:53] <feet> that would be easier
[08:53] <user___> I used kbuildsycoca --incremental to update k menu Rathr after a package is installed it should appear the icon immediately in k menu
[08:53] <|lostbyte|> k :)
[08:53] <CroX> feet: KFTPGrabber, Navicat, Firefox, Thunderbird, Konversation, Amarok, Gaim, Kate
[08:53] <vega-> Jucato: ok thanks
[08:53] <cam> then how come it won't simply overwrite the profile with a newer one?
[08:53] <Jucato> user___: only for the times that they don't appear in the menu. but most of the times, they do
[08:53] <feet> but you could also use sudo or su to remove the offending files and as a normal user replace them with your own
[08:53] <CroX> feet: Often when I open a tenth/eleventh tab in firefox, with alo of other apps open, it freezes. Overload sorta.
[08:53] <user___> I see now.
[08:54] <cam> ?
[08:54] <user___> thks Jucato
[08:54] <user___> good day guys
[08:54] <aquablu> ok i can watch normal downloaded mpgs but when i put DVD in
[08:54] <aquablu> its the dvd's
[08:54] <|lostbyte|> CroX, whats the last thing you did, before this happed ?
[08:54] <feet> okay, what file are you trying to get rid of cam??
[08:54] <feet> or overwrite
[08:54] <aquablu> i did mplayer dvd://
[08:55] <aquablu> wanted to play then errored X11
[08:55] <feet> probably dont have the dvd descrambling software
[08:55] <aquablu> oh
[08:55] <cam> I saved my firefox profile from my pc, I just want to use it on kubuntu
[08:55] <CroX> |lostbyte|: Installed ati drivers. They messed up, so I took back the old xorg.conf and redid the process
[08:55] <|lostbyte|> cam,  firefox -ProfileManager
[08:55] <feet> yea
[08:55] <cam> so I tried to overwrite the profile in kubunntu with the one from my pc and I'm not allowed
[08:56] <cam> where is it?
[08:56] <cam> I checked options....
[08:56] <cam> preferences
[08:56] <|lostbyte|> CroX, you  dont have to do that. only need to replace the diver option.
[08:56] <feet> type firefox -ProfileManager in a konsole window
[08:56] <cam> will do
[08:56] <CroX> |lostbyte|: Good to know. Well, the gfx card works now. But I still get my system frozen every now and then.
[08:56] <aquablu> feet>do you no the name of thescrambling software
[08:57] <feet> yes
[08:57] <aquablu> ok
[08:57] <cam> Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display
[08:57] <feet> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:57] <cam> :(
[08:57] <|lostbyte|> CroX, glxinfo | grep direct
[08:58] <cam> sadly it didn;t work
[08:58] <feet> oh
[08:58] <cam> didn't work...
[08:58] <CroX> |lostbyte|: direct rendering: Yes
[08:58] <feet> oh here we go
[08:58] <feet> cam, let ask you something so i know im in the right place
[08:58] <cam> ok
[08:58] <feet> what does a firefox profile look like, its a folder right?
[08:59] <cam> yes
[08:59] <|lostbyte|> CroX, Does it wait before it crashes, or on  a spcific app. ?
[08:59] <cam> a folder
[08:59] <feet> easy
[08:59] <feet> open konqueror
[08:59] <cam> this should be easy/
[08:59] <feet> click view, then show hidden files
[08:59] <cam> it's open
[08:59] <feet> open the folder mozilla
[08:59] <feet> open the folder firefox
[08:59] <feet> paste the folder in
[09:00] <CroX> |lostbyte|: Now it's crashed on four occasions. Two times when I've hovered the cursor over a menu and an app in the taskbar, just before it's about to render a submenu or the popupdescription. The two other times has been when I've opened a tenth/eleventh tab in firefox or when firefox is just about to render a new website.
[09:00] <Ghostwolf> Hi
[09:01] <cam> acess denied
[09:01] <Ghostwolf> Can kubuntu install non-destructively on the free space on a RAID 0 setup?
[09:01] <feet> access denied in your own folder? wow
[09:01] <|lostbyte|> CroX, free -m ?
[09:01] <CroX> |lostbyte|: Want me to run that cmd? Or do you ask for my RAM?
[09:01] <cam> whe I look to the left of Konqueror it say User:root Group :root
[09:02] <feet> oh
[09:02] <|lostbyte|> CroX, run that.
[09:02] <feet> simple
[09:02] <cam> I'm stummped
[09:02] <CroX> |lostbyte|: Eep! Says here that I only have a total of 876 and using 772
[09:03] <CroX> |lostbyte|: I'm supposed to have 1024!
[09:03] <CroX> |lostbyte|: And what on earth can suck that much memory?
[09:03] <unix_infidel> hey guys, i keep on getting an error that the deps i need "are not installable"
[09:04] <unix_infidel> any ideas?
[09:04] <|lostbyte|> CroX, could you paste last three lines and 4 colums.
[09:04] <CroX> |lostbyte|: Working on it. It's free -m | ~/dump.txt right?
[09:04] <|lostbyte|> unix_infidel, which are ?
[09:05] <unix_infidel> |lostbyte|: when i'm messing with imlibn
[09:05] <|lostbyte|> CroX, Your in console ?
[09:06] <CroX>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[09:06] <CroX> Mem:           876        776        100          0         84        405
[09:06] <CroX> -/+ buffers/cache:        287        589
[09:06] <CroX> Swap:         2565          0       2565
[09:06] <CroX> |lostbyte|: Nope, just getting used to the commands.
[09:06] <motorcitymadman> |lostbyte|: the flash player wood only install in the /usr/lib/firefox i could not get the player in the plugins folder (not a vilid dir)
[09:07] <feet> cam, did you get any pm from me?
[09:07] <|lostbyte|> CroX, ok, your memory is not crashing your system. for sure.
[09:07] <CroX> |lostbyte|: But I'm still missing some :(
[09:07] <|lostbyte|> motorcitymadman, that dir exsists.
[09:07] <motorcitymadman> i know
[09:07] <|lostbyte|> just sudo cp to it.
[09:08] <cam> yeah
[09:08] <CroX> |lostbyte|: Any other ideas on what could be crashing?
[09:08] <bioticpro> Anybody know how to make Firefox look as good as Konq (web site font wise)?
[09:08] <motorcitymadman> <-is of to leard sudo cd to it
[09:08] <cam> it says I can't pm, do you see my replies?
[09:08] <feet> nope
[09:08] <feet> thats ok
[09:09] <|lostbyte|> CroX, Do one thig..
[09:09] <feet> did you try it?
[09:09] <CroX> |lostbyte|: Yeah?
[09:10] <|lostbyte|> CroX, the next time the system crashes, note down the system time. reboot and check /var/log/syslog for an error.
[09:10] <|lostbyte|> That file logs with the time stamp.
[09:10] <mrdesk_> how do i check what version of kde im running?
[09:10] <feet> in any program, click Help, then about KDE
[09:10] <CroX> |lostbyte|: Alright, will do that. Thanks.
[09:11] <feet> even right clicking the panel at the bottom of the screen and picking about KDE will work
[09:11] <edp> ghkbhk
[09:11] <|lostbyte|> mrdesk_, open any kde app, and go to help > about kde
[09:11] <feet> echo
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> :P
[09:12] <feet> :P
[09:13] <|lostbyte|> feet, kde-config --version
[09:13] <|lostbyte|> :)
[09:13] <feet> that too, if you want to load up a console :P
[09:14] <|lostbyte|> feet, any kde app with the -v parameter shows it.
[09:15] <feet> yeah
[09:15] <feet> but still... save time loading a console and typing it when you can just click the kicker :D
[09:16] <|lostbyte|> point.
[09:18] <edp> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[09:18] <Ghostwolf> anyone have any idea?
[09:19] <edp> emmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[09:19] <feet> someone likes holding the keys on their keyboard, dont they
[09:19] <edp> ohya
[09:19] <|lostbyte|> Ghostwolf, yes, if we could all use hydroken cars, our future generation has a much likely chance not to burn in forest fires or floodes.
[09:19] <feet> nice idea!
[09:20] <Ghostwolf> ignored
[09:20] <|lostbyte|> :)
[09:20] <unix_infidel> anyone here used the alternate installer before.
[09:21] <unix_infidel> trying to decide b/w full Kubuntu install and alternate or server install.
[09:21] <Jucato> unix_infidel: if you know what you are doing and what you need, server (minimal) install might be good
[09:22] <unix_infidel> Jucato: i know what i'm doing :)
[09:22] <Jucato> just take note that the server install does not install some stuff like CUPS or HAL
[09:22] <unix_infidel> just not sure if i want the full KDE "experience"
[09:22] <|lostbyte|> Jucato, you are on a server install ?
[09:22] <Jucato> |lostbyte|: no, but I did try it out for a week
[09:22] <Jucato> spent most of my time trying to check what I'm missing
[09:22] <Ghostwolf> So anyways; can kubuntu install non-destructively on the free space on a RAID 0 setup?
[09:22] <Jucato> I never realized HAL wasn't installed until someone asked me if it was
[09:23] <|lostbyte|> Jucato, I had problem with the gurb, or maybe because i tried installing from a usbstick.
[09:23] <Jucato> Ghostwolf: what do you mean by "non-destructive"?
[09:23] <unix_infidel> Jucato: is it possible to remove kde-desktop but keep kdebase?
[09:23] <unix_infidel> i mean remove all the kde-desktop associated packages with that meta package.
[09:23] <unix_infidel> but keep kdebase?
[09:23] <Jucato> you mean kubuntu-desktop?
[09:24] <Ghostwolf> as in won't damage the parition or seperate the raid drives
[09:24] <Ghostwolf> I need the info to survive :-p
[09:25] <Jucato> that I wouldn't know... I think the installer splits a partition to make room for swap
[09:25] <Ghostwolf> ya I have free space
[09:25] <Ghostwolf> just the suse instalelr said kernel 2.6 would erase everything
[09:26] <Jucato> Ghostwolf: the particular partition where Kubuntu will be installed must be reformated, I think that's what it means
[09:26] <Jucato> it won't touch other partitions unless you indicate it
[09:27] <unix_infidel> Jucato: sure, kubuntu-desktop
[09:27] <unix_infidel> is it possible to remove all components associated with that meta package but keep kdebase
[09:28] <Jucato> unix_infidel: kdebase is associated with kubuntu-desktop, so that would probably be a "no"
[09:28] <unix_infidel> Jucato: so how would i go about removing all components associated with the meta package kubuntu-desktop
[09:28] <|lostbyte|> unix_infidel, huh.. remote kubuntu-desktop and then install kdebase :S
[09:28] <Jucato> actually, every single package that's installed on your system was installed because of kubuntu-desktop
[09:29] <Jucato> hm...
[09:29] <unix_infidel> Jucato: you needed to install hal from server or alternate install discs?
[09:29] <Jucato> unix_infidel: my bad, kdebase isn't part of kubuntu-desktop's depends
[09:30] <unix_infidel> Jucato: i think i'll just stick with a full "desktop" experience :)
[09:30] <Jucato> unix_infidel: server cd != alternate install cd
[09:30] <unix_infidel> Jucato: right, i'm asking which one you used in which you had to install hal manually.
[09:30] <Jucato> alternate install cd. you could use it as a repository
[09:32] <grothesk> Hi
[09:33] <grothesk> Does anyone know, why there is no update for java?
[09:40] <novato182> hola
[09:40] <novato182> alguien puede ayudarme
[09:40] <Jucato> !es
[09:40] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[09:41] <novato182> sorri
[09:41] <novato182> help me?
[09:42] <novato182> my configuration xorg
[10:02] <[MaKuBeX] > Visit http://www.omgema.lt  its good . Have a nice day!
[10:04] <unix_infidel> heh, what a way to test 0 day browser exploits :0
[10:05] <scion> hello
[10:06] <fdoving> hi scion.
[10:06] <unix_infidel> good call :0
[10:06] <unix_infidel> :)
[10:07] <Milkyy> Hi, how do I change the hotkey for moving windows? Currently it is ALT-LMB but I want it to be "Windows button"-LMB, how do I do that?
[10:07] <scion> would it be possible to get a bit of advice on monting a usb HDD with two ext3 partitions on it?
[10:07] <unix_infidel> are there any plans to decentralize the security updates server.
[10:07] <unix_infidel> this is getting REALLY tedious?
[10:07] <scion> i am currently in work so will not be able to test until later
[10:07] <|lostbyte|> IS this real : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09bOAJKS8Gg
[10:08] <Milkyy> anyone?
[10:08] <fdoving> |lostbyte|: -offtopic?
[10:09] <unix_infidel> fdoving: you happen to have any contact with freenode staffer.
[10:09] <scion> hehe
[10:09] <fdoving> unix_infidel: i can probably find one.
[10:09] <|lostbyte|> sorry..
[10:09] <unix_infidel> it seems this [MaKuBeX]  is spamming channels.
[10:10] <unix_infidel> same message, on multiple channels.
[10:10] <scion> any help for my usb prob?
[10:10] <unix_infidel> same host as well. oddly enough.
[10:12] <aquablu> hi guys heres my results from when i try play a dvd  http://pastebin.com/791834
[10:12] <aquablu> itwants to start then flashes away
[10:15] <main2> when i try to install the 'flashplugin-nonfree' using apt-get, it always returns aerror code 1
[10:16] <main2> Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN1> line 2.
[10:16] <main2> is there a way to fix this?
[10:17] <main2> shit
[10:17] <main2> sudo apt-get / dpkg always seem to fail on everything i try to install..
[10:18] <main2> dpkg: fout bij afhandelen van flashplugin-nonfree (--configure):
[10:18] <main2> dpkg: error during handeling of flashplugin-nonfree....
[10:18] <Milkyy> how do I change hotkeys in KDE?
[10:19] <aquablu> anyone see the output to when i play a dvd
[10:19] <aquablu> http://pastebin.com/791834
[10:19] <aquablu> i need the remedy
[10:19] <main2> Milkyy: regional settings in system settings
[10:19] <main2> aquablu: i need a remedy for my problem as well ;)
[10:19] <Milkyy> okey thanks main2
[10:20] <Milkyy> unusual place to put that in o.o
[10:20] <main2> Milkyy: it has its reasons i think
[10:21] <Milkyy> that's the so far the only thing I haven't been able to do without asking in KDE
[10:25] <emonkey> Milkyy, change the hotkey in the system settings
[10:30] <Milkyy> hmm, can't seem to find that hotkey...
[10:30] <Jucato> Milkyy: I think moving windows with Alt+LMB is something built in/hardcoded?
[10:31] <Milkyy> nah
[10:31] <Milkyy> it's in Metacity
[10:31] <Milkyy> you can easily change it in gnome via a utility...
[10:31] <Milkyy> so it would be strange if you couldn't in KDE...
[10:32] <visik7> will kubuntu edgy have apport ?
[10:32] <DeadSouL> I can not hear any voice from Kaffeine, how can I fix it? I think there is a problem with Kmix...
[10:33] <motorcitymadman> !sound
[10:33] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[10:33] <Linux_Galore> DeadSouL: run alsamixer
[10:33] <DeadSouL> ok thanks
[10:34] <Linux_Galore> Im finding with *ubuntu if its intel based or an intel clone bit of hardware it works fine
[10:41] <DeadSouL> I try to share one of my folders. It says that KDE has to run a small program to share this folder. I allow it but it can not make small program run. So I can not share that folder. How can I make KDE run this small program?
[10:43] <Milkyy> still can't seem to find the ALT+LMB hotkey anywhere :(
[10:52] <Milkyy> how do I access the "KDE Control Center"?
[10:52] <Jucato> Milkyy: Alt+F2 then type in "kcontrol"
[10:53] <Milkyy> thanks
[10:54] <Milkyy> that's where the alleged change can be made
[10:54] <Jucato> Milkyy: where?
[10:55] <Jucato> except for a few modules, the things in KControl and System Settings are practically the same
[10:55] <Milkyy> "Go into KDE Control Center, expand Desktop, click window behavoir, then click window actions tab. You can turn off the alt-combos. If you want to make window specific settings, click on window specific settings under window behavoir on the side."
[10:55] <DeadSouL> Is there any video program better than Kaffeine?
[10:56] <Milkyy> MPlayer :)
[10:56] <Jucato> Milkyy: in System Settings, that would be in Desktop > Window Behavior also
[10:56] <Jucato> vlc?
[10:56] <DeadSouL> Can deleting Kaffeine harm system?
[10:57] <Jucato> DeadSouL: just leave it there. it's not that big :)
[10:57] <DeadSouL> ok
[10:57] <DeadSouL> :)
[10:57] <Milkyy> ah ok :)
[10:57] <Milkyy> it seems I can only change between Meta and Alt...
[10:57] <Milkyy> not the win key
[10:57] <Milkyy> :(
[10:58] <Jucato> Meta is the Win key iirc
[10:58] <Jucato> yep it is
[10:58] <Milkyy> ok
[10:58] <Milkyy> yeah it worked :)
[10:59] <Jucato> :P
[11:01] <motorcitymadman> where are the desktop images stored ?
[11:01] <Jucato> what do you mean by "desktop images"?
[11:02] <motorcitymadman> background
[11:02] <Jucato> ah. system installed wallpapers would be in /usr/share/wallpapers, while user installed wallpapers would be in ~/.kde/share/wallpapers
[11:06] <motorcitymadman> is this a hidden place ~/.kde/share/wallpapers ? me no find
[11:06] <flaccid> yes
[11:06] <flaccid> any file in *nix prefixed with a . is hidden
[11:06] <cpk1> motorcitymadman: a . as a prefix means hidden
[11:06] <motorcitymadman> key to unlock ?
[11:07] <cpk1> or what flaccid said =S
[11:07] <flaccid> sorry to but in
[11:07] <flaccid> there is no key to unlock
[11:07] <flaccid> they are hidden only
[11:07] <flaccid> eg. cd ~/.kde
[11:08] <Jucato> motorcitymadman: just type it in directly in Konqueror "~/.kde/share/wallpapers"
[11:08] <Jucato> or if you want to see hidden files, go to View > Show Hidden Files
[11:08] <flaccid> find your font, Jucato?
[11:08] <Jucato> no, I gave up :P
[11:08] <flaccid> dang
[11:08] <Jucato> some other day maybe :)
[11:09] <Jucato> it's not for a desktop font anyway. just for some design/image
[11:09] <flaccid> cool
[11:10] <motorcitymadman> konqueror say sorry file does not exist ~/.kde/share/wallpapers
[11:11] <swatgoss> try to browse it from Konsole
[11:11] <swatgoss> will work
[11:11] <flaccid> perhaps it doesn't exist
[11:12] <Jucato> motorcitymadman: ah maybe because you haven't added any wallpaper yet, so the directory "wallapapers" doesn't exist yet
[11:12] <flaccid> try ~/.kde/share first
[11:12] <swatgoss> since you got the exact "way/file location" (don't remember the english word) enter it in your Konqueror ?
[11:12] <swatgoss> try to browse it Konsole :p
[11:12] <Jucato> it won't be in Konsole if it doesn't exist yet
[11:13] <swatgoss> but you will see it don't exist
[11:13] <swatgoss> when u make a dir in Konsole u see all directories right ?
[11:13] <swatgoss> dir /.kde/share
[11:13] <Jucato> if he goes to ~/.kde/share first, he'll see the same thigns
[11:13] <swatgoss> like cluedo :p
[11:13] <Jucato> things*
[11:14] <swatgoss> dir don't show /.directories ?
[11:14] <motorcitymadman> konq find this for me's ~/.kde/share
[11:14] <Jucato> huh?
[11:15] <flaccid> ls -lh
[11:15] <flaccid> i mean ls -a
[11:15] <flaccid> i like ls -lah
[11:15] <Jucato> motorcitymadman: the wallpapers directory in ~/.kde/share doesn't exist yet because you have not added any new wallpapers.
[11:16] <Jucato> if you add a wallpaper (right-click desktop > Configure Desktop > etc...) that directory will be created
[11:16] <flaccid> trying to upgrade konversation, i get this konversation: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.4-1) but 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu2~dapper1 is to be installed
[11:16] <flaccid> plus some other errors following
[11:16] <motorcitymadman> Jucato: yes is true and thank you's
[11:17] <Jucato> flaccid: upgrading to which version?
[11:17] <flaccid> 1.0
[11:17] <Jucato> flaccid: it's not yet available in dapper
[11:17] <swatgoss> version of ?
[11:17] <Jucato> konversation 1.0 isn't in dapper (dapper-backports) yet
[11:18] <flaccid> ok
[11:18] <swatgoss> 0.19 now ?
[11:18] <Jucato> flaccid: trying to install a deb rom Edgy?
[11:18] <Jucato> swatgoss: yes
[11:18] <Jucato> konvi 1.0 might be in dapper-backports in a few days, though
[11:19] <flaccid> negative
[11:19] <flaccid> its a friend
[11:20] <Jucato> ah
[11:20] <flaccid> hes running sudo apt-get install konversation
[11:20] <Jucato> is he on Dapper or Edgy?
[11:20] <fildo> this would be me
[11:20] <flaccid> dapper
[11:20] <flaccid> lol
[11:20] <flaccid> fildo is just ripped atm
[11:20] <Jucato> ok I'm confused... @_@
[11:20] <flaccid> suprised he can type...
[11:20] <fildo> lol
[11:20] <crazy_penguin> Good day all! :)
[11:21] <fildo> iam the friend Jucato
[11:21] <Jucato> aaah
[11:21] <motorcitymadman> i started by using ubuntu-gnome, i like kubuntu-kde-desktop much better, the last thing was to printing working (done) now working on scanning
[11:21] <fildo> im having issues with installing konversation.v1
[11:21] <Jucato> fildo: because konversation 1.0 doesn't exist in Dapper yet
[11:21] <flaccid> hehe
[11:21] <fildo> i have added , in sources.list
[11:22] <fildo> then updated .
[11:22] <flaccid> guys i'm going downstairs to drink more beer
[11:22] <motorcitymadman> printing and scanning = high level of anger
[11:22] <fildo> but when installs gives me a dep issue
[11:22] <fildo> flaccid: thnx
[11:22] <Jucato> fildo: what have you added in your sources.list?
[11:22] <Jucato> flaccid: no pizza this time?
[11:24] <fildo> # Nate's Debian Konversation packages
[11:24] <fildo> deb http://archive.aardvarque.com/debian/konversation sid main
[11:24] <fildo> deb-src http://archive.aardvarque.com/debian/konversation sid main
[11:24] <Jucato> fildo: no... that repository is made for Debian Sid. it won't work for Dapper
[11:24] <fildo> ah fek
[11:24] <fildo> where did i get it from,
[11:25] <fildo> lol another stoner moment
[11:25] <Jucato> beats me...:P
[11:25] <Jucato> just wait a few days, Konvi 1.0 might be available in dapper-backports
[11:25] <fildo> can u lead me to the light
[11:25] <fildo> lol
[11:25] <Linux_Galore> fildo: goto www.kde-apps.org  you can download ver 1.0
[11:25] <swatgoss> turn light on ?
[11:25] <fildo> or just do it via src
[11:25] <fildo> ?
[11:25] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: if I'm not mistaken, 1.0 has some dependencies that are newer than the ones on Dapper
[11:26] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: compiled fine for me
[11:26] <Jucato> running a customized system?
[11:26] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: no I have kde 3.5.4 installed thats about it
[11:27] <swatgoss> changelog of Konversation 0.19 -> 1.0 ? (URL)
[11:27] <Jucato> fildo: you can try what Linux_Galore did.
[11:27] <Jucato> or...
[11:28] <Jucato> http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[11:28] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: konversation ver 1.0 also compiled on my mandriva 2006 machine without a problem
[11:28] <flaccid> yes we are cooking pizza downstairs Jucato
[11:28] <flaccid> hehe
[11:28] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: thats running kde 3.5.2
[11:28] <Jucato> swatgoss: http://konversation.kde.org/ lists the changes
[11:28] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: different distros have different dependencies
[11:28] <Jucato> when it comes to versions, that is
[11:29] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: I know but all the packages on my mandriva machine are older than on my kubuntu one
[11:29] <swatgoss> hu hu hu some good things :p
[11:29] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: who knows. I don't know all the mysteries of the Linux world. I'm just saying that 1.0 isn't officially in Dapper yet
[11:30] <Linux_Galore> insnt that clever, put kradio on the repo but it wont install
[11:30] <Jucato> that it will be (actually should have been weeks ago) in dapper-backports in a few days
[11:30] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: not that much difference to be honest
[11:30] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: looks and works exactly the same
[11:30] <Linux_Galore> as the default kubuntu one
[11:31] <Jucato> not much difference between 1.0 and 0.19?
[11:31] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yes
[11:31] <Jucato> 0.19 can't do left tabs
[11:31] <Linux_Galore> seems more of a bug fix
[11:32] <Jucato> 0.19 doesn't have Auto Replace
[11:32] <Linux_Galore> never used left tab so I wouldnt know
[11:32] <Jucato> 0.19's scrollback limit is 1000 lines
[11:33] <swatgoss> some1 know where i can find a Nokia JDK for N-Gage/3650/7650 ?
[11:34] <swatgoss> just thinking about it cause i'm installing JDK 5.0
[11:34] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: doesnt nokia have a linux web site
[11:34] <swatgoss> not linux one
[11:34] <swatgoss> symbian one
[11:34] <Linux_Galore> no nokia has a linux website
[11:35] <Linux_Galore> 770 runs Linux
[11:35] <swatgoss> i know
[11:35] <swatgoss> but i look after N-Gage one
[11:35] <swatgoss> and N-Gage run symbian 60
[11:35] <swatgoss> need a "symbian jdk"
[11:35] <Linux_Galore> I used to have a n-gage,  didnt like it
[11:36] <Linux_Galore> got it from a friend second hand
[11:36] <swatgoss> i can't buy a 770 now, keeping money for a new laptop
[11:36] <swatgoss> so i keep N-Gage for some more time ...
[11:37] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: I wouldnt buy a 770 either, get a GP2X, fraction of the price and works better
[11:37] <swatgoss> tactile screen ?
[11:37] <Linux_Galore> GPX2 sorry
[11:37] <swatgoss> no GP2X
[11:37] <Linux_Galore> no X2  because it has two cpu's
[11:37] <cpk1> hmm i wish my irc client would tab complete words that are hard to spell
[11:37] <cpk1> and tab completed things in my sbin
[11:38] <swatgoss> i remember GP 2x ...
[11:38] <swatgoss> looking on web
[11:38] <Jucato> there are 2 different models bearing the same "GP" name
[11:38] <swatgoss> may be
[11:39] <swatgoss> oh yes :p
[11:39] <swatgoss> GPX2 :p
[11:39] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: yep your right http://www.gp2x.com/
[11:39] <cpk1> oh, guess no one else thinks that would be cool
[11:39] <swatgoss> there is 2 models as jucato says :p
[11:40] <swatgoss> GP2X is older
[11:40] <swatgoss> lol 170K colors ...
[11:40] <Jucato> yes, and GPX2 isn't out yet :P
[11:41] <swatgoss> 2 is 131Kcolors ... and 2 is 262Kcolors ...
[11:41] <swatgoss> HOW COULD THEY MAKE A 170K colors SCREEN :p
[11:41] <Linux_Galore> no the gp2x-f100 is the latest one you can buy -> http://www.gp2x.net.au/
[11:41] <swatgoss> or just a 131Kcolors screen ...
[11:42] <Linux_Galore> reason I like the GP2X is unlike other media players you dont have to re rip your video files to a lower res
[11:42] <swatgoss> 5.3 bits for red, 5.3 bits for blue, 5.3 bits for green ?
[11:42] <Linux_Galore> to play them
[11:43] <swatgoss> some1 know how to adress 5.3333333333bits for color ?
[11:43] <Linux_Galore> its pretty cheap and you get all the libs for free
[11:43] <swatgoss> for videos i got my DS :p
[11:43] <swatgoss> not 320x240 ... but 256x192 is enough for animes
[11:44] <Linux_Galore> yeah but the ds has the same problem as the ipod and the creative vision:m  it wont play high res video files
[11:44] <swatgoss> and ?
[11:44] <swatgoss> no need of hi res :p
[11:44] <swatgoss> reecoding to 256x192
[11:44] <Linux_Galore> well all my anime files are 800x res
[11:44] <swatgoss> some of mine too
[11:45] <Linux_Galore> Im not re ripping them if I dont have to
[11:45] <Jucato> *cough*offtopic*cough*
[11:45] <swatgoss> lot of them are "only 640x480" :p
[11:45] <Linux_Galore> well no one is asking questions
[11:45] <swatgoss> yes me
[11:45] <swatgoss> mencoder
[11:45] <Linux_Galore> and the room was dead
[11:45] <swatgoss> i got mencoder and specific codec under win32
[11:45] <swatgoss> to encode for my DS
[11:46] <swatgoss> can't make kind of scratch myself ... i'm too bad for this kind of things ...
[11:46] <swatgoss> u think i can find it somewhere ?
[11:46] <Linux_Galore> seen Linux running on a DS
[11:46] <Jucato> no way?!?!
[11:46] <swatgoss> yop DSLinux :p
[11:46] <Linux_Galore> yes way
[11:46] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: play anything you want
[11:46] <swatgoss> dev are trying to make a GUI
[11:46] <Jucato> NO WAY!?!?!?
[11:47] <swatgoss> but with 4MB ram ...
[11:47] <swatgoss> not easy :p
[11:47] <Linux_Galore> yeah theres some hardware hacks for the ds
[11:47] <Linux_Galore> use flash to extend its abilities
[11:47] <swatgoss> SuperKey, SuperPass1/2
[11:47] <swatgoss> i got a SuperPass2 with a 256Mb SD card, soon a 2GB card
[11:48] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: can DSLinux play mp3's, videos, and read PDFs?
[11:48] <Linux_Galore> put linux on the flash and the 4mb is for kicking the base system off
[11:48] <swatgoss> :( but it only have 32MB of RAM on SuperCard (not Pass sry ...)
[11:48] <swatgoss> i'm not sure
[11:48] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: I saw 4Gb flash being used
[11:49] <swatgoss> it don't play mp3 video or PDf now ...
[11:49] <swatgoss> the entire uncompressed linux is about 11MB
[11:49] <Kennie> hi is ther a way to remove the bleep in Konsole if eg. tab doesnt match?
[11:50] <swatgoss> join #DSonlinux1 :p
[11:50] <swatgoss> not u kennie
[11:50] <Jucato> Kennie: Settings > Configure Notifications?
[11:50] <Linux_Galore> Kennie: yeah setting-> configure notifications
[11:50] <Kennie> k tnx :)
[11:50] <Jucato> Kennie: or Settings > Bell
[11:50] <Linux_Galore> I dont use konsole, been using yakuake for a year now
[11:51] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: well, Yakuake will basically use Konsole's settings
[11:51] <Linux_Galore> Kennie: install yakuake  makes konsole look like a toy
[11:51] <Jucato> unless of course, you set it to use ssomething else
[11:51] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yes it does
[11:52] <Kennie> Linux_Galore will check out ;)
[11:52] <swatgoss> just applied the matrix skin on Konsole :p
[11:52] <swatgoss> Green/black
[11:52] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: come here
[11:53] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: <whispers> closer
[11:53] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: YOUR A GEEK!!
[11:53] <Linux_Galore> heh heh
[11:53] <swatgoss> i know ...
[11:53] <swatgoss> i bega/un reading Java 1.5 at school ...
[11:53] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: done the perl stuff yet
[11:54] <swatgoss> hummm
[11:54] <swatgoss> school
[11:54] <swatgoss> "lyce" in france
[11:54] <swatgoss> college i think in english countries
[11:54] <Jucato> you're both geeks :P
[11:54] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: your not a geek untill you can create totally unreadable perl code and use vim
[11:54] <swatgoss> i'm a hardware geek :p
[11:54] <Linux_Galore> then there is the mega geeks, there into lisp and schema
[11:55] <swatgoss> i can sold you a 2nd AGP on ur mobo to make a SLI with it !
[11:55] <Jucato> there are different "degrees" of geekyness. but the fact that you've been talking for a long time about modding handhelds with a geeky OS...
[11:55] <Linux_Galore> lol
[11:55] <swatgoss> :p
[11:55] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: gp2x comes with Linux
[11:55] <swatgoss> i prefer DS
[11:55] <Jucato> yeah.. but DS doesn't
[11:55] <Jucato> so there!
[11:55] <Jucato> :P
[11:55] <Linux_Galore> I havent modified an iPOD yet
[11:55] <Linux_Galore> ie ipodlinux.org
[11:56] <swatgoss> so i was saying
[11:56] <Linux_Galore> thats next
[11:56] <Jucato> I want to mod my Windows powered phone!!
[11:56] <swatgoss> the probleme of DSLinux is that it don't have much things by default
[11:56] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: have to use flash
[11:56] <swatgoss> hanoi towers game
[11:56] <swatgoss> 2 CLI games
[11:56] <swatgoss> some other things
[11:56] <Jucato> if GPX2 comes out and it's cheap, and it can really read PDF's... i'm buying it...
[11:57] <swatgoss> will it have a touch screen ?
[11:57] <swatgoss> and if a N-Gage can read PDF, a GPX2 will ...
[11:57] <Jucato> well, GP2X certainly couldn't
[11:58] <swatgoss> ????
[11:58] <swatgoss> no need of a mouse :p
[11:58] <Jucato> GP2X's "e-book" reader is just a plain text ebook reader
[11:58] <Jucato> swatgoss: well, for now there's not much on DS that needs it, right?
[11:58] <Jucato> or at least, for the stuff available here... :(
[11:59] <swatgoss> DS games, lot
[11:59] <swatgoss> DS homebrews
[11:59] <swatgoss> some
[11:59] <swatgoss> like BeUp
[11:59] <swatgoss> MSN on DS if u prefer :p
[11:59] <swatgoss> to switch conversations
[11:59] <swatgoss> thx to stylus
[12:00] <swatgoss> PIM ?
[12:00] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: like a Zaurus 3200
[12:00] <Jucato> Personal Info Manager
[12:00] <swatgoss> personal ? manager
[12:00] <swatgoss> ok
[12:00] <Jucato> = PDA
[12:00] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: zaurus does all that
[12:00] <swatgoss> DS with more RAM ...
[12:00] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: some of the zaurus models come with a hardisk
[12:01] <swatgoss> or just a read/WRITE access on a DS card
[12:01] <swatgoss> thats one of the 2 problems of DS ...
[12:01] <swatgoss> tiny main RAM
[12:01] <Jucato> doesn't DS have a plugin for MMC/SD Cards?
[12:01] <swatgoss> and not easy stockage
[12:01] <Linux_Galore> even install debian on a zaurus
[12:01] <swatgoss> with a supercard yes
[12:01] <Jucato> ooh Sharp...
[12:01] <Jucato> omoshiroi
[12:02] <swatgoss> a super card is a SD/CF -> GBA adapter
[12:02] <Jucato> ooops. that means "interesting"
[12:02] <swatgoss> but only have 32MB of EEPROM of some kind of memory like that
[12:02] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: keep an eye on ebay, now and again someone buys one that doesnt have a clue how to use Linux and flogs it cheap
[12:02] <Jucato> oh no... keyboard...
[12:03] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: keyboard is built in but Ive seen someone connect a keyboard to a zaurus via the usb port
[12:03] <Jucato> looks nice...
[12:04] <Jucato> I just had a bad experience with gadgets with keyboards...
[12:04] <Linux_Galore> http://www.openzaurus.org/wordpress/
[12:04] <Jucato> err... it has a touchscreen?
[12:04] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yep
[12:05] <Jucato> ok that totally changes everything!! :)
[12:06] <Jucato> ah, now the question would be "how much" and whether there's local support for it...
[12:07] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: 5600 is a good entry level model -> http://cgi.ebay.com/SHARP-ZAURUS-SL-5600-PDA-LINUX-Wi-Fi-COLOR-LCD-IN-BOX_W0QQitemZ180029067309QQihZ008QQcategoryZ38331QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180029067309
[12:07] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: hold on, what's Zauru's real/built-in OS?
[12:07] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: depends on what model there is a big range
[12:07] <Jucato> SL-3000 is the one with Linux?
[12:07] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yes zaurus runs the "full" version of Linux
[12:08] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: they all run Linux
[12:08] <Jucato> wonder if you could install a KDE distro :P
[12:08] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: it already run QT
[12:08] <Jucato> hey this 5600 is really cheap!
[12:08] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: the gui on the zaurus is based on QT tool kit same as kde
[12:08] <Jucato> you have convinced me... and now I won't be able to sleep dreaming of it
[12:09] <Jucato> aah  Qtopia
[12:10] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: the sl-c### ones are the best though
[12:10] <Jucato> and probably the most expensive...
[12:10] <Jucato> time to hunt :P
[12:10] <Linux_Galore> but if your after a good entry model the 5600 is the best, avoid the 5500 they're rubbish
[12:11] <Jucato> you are feeding my addiction
[12:11] <Jucato> :P
[12:11] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: just wait, I got a sl-c3200 cheap after waiting 4 months
[12:11] <Jucato> how much is "cheap"?
[12:12] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: AU$360 or about US$270
[12:12] <Jucato> ouch
[12:12] <Jucato> hm.. not bad if I convert directly...
[12:12] <Linux_Galore> yeah but the things are US$800
[12:12] <Jucato> O_O
[12:13] <Jucato> time to ask the local "geeks" about prices and good deals for this...
[12:13] <Linux_Galore> Ive ripped the hardisk out already and put a 30Gb micro drive in it from a broken creative mp3 player I baught on ebay for $63
[12:13] <Jucato> ugh.. something I forgot to ask...
[12:13] <zorglu_> i would like kubuntu to accept the 'window' key on my keyboard, to later create shortcut based on it. any suggestion on where to start
[12:13] <Jucato> does it function as a phone?
[12:14] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: no, its basically a really small PC with an xscale cpu and a hardisk
[12:14] <Jucato> zorglu_: it accepts your windows key, but as a modifier key, that is, somethng like Alt or Ctrl
[12:14] <Jucato> hm... fair enough.. I'll just get a very cheap phone...
[12:14] <Jucato> I was hoping to purchase a new smartphone next year, though
[12:15] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: heard theres a project to put linux on a treo
[12:15] <zorglu_> Jucato: impossible to make it accept the window key as modifier ?
[12:15] <Jucato> zorglu_: it's a modifier already
[12:15] <Jucato> you can use it like Win+Space or Win+1 or Win+F1
[12:15] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: nice...
[12:15] <zorglu_> Jucato: oh ok thanks
[12:15] <Werdna> ~tell me about dualboot
[12:15] <Werdna> dammit
[12:16] <Werdna> is there a factoid-based bot in here?
[12:16] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: get ready for this screen shot, here we go -> http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/06/linux-on-treo-650-gets-real/
[12:16] <Jucato> !dualboot
[12:16] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions for x86/amd64 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - for mac https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[12:16] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: mauwahahah
[12:16] <Jucato> noooooooo!!!
[12:16] <Jucato> ugh  gnome...
[12:17] <Linux_Galore> yes you can feel the power of the Tux side
[12:17] <Jucato> I can see the foot, that's for sure :P
[12:17] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: few projects actually
[12:17] <Linux_Galore> for the treo
[12:18] <Jucato> well, until then, my search continues...
[12:18] <Linux_Galore> I was looking at a treo but deep southed the idea because I couldnt run Linux, well havent the times changed
[12:18] <Jucato> a Symbian would probably be ok... anything just not Windows CE...
[12:18] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: just change the UI, it runs X so you can just set it to kdm
[12:18] <Jucato> if KDE has a GPE equivalent
[12:20] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: ooh theres a Linux treo in the works
[12:20] <Jucato> ugh...noooo....
[12:20] <Linux_Galore> from palm
[12:20] <Jucato> I thought I was cured of my gadget-addiction
[12:20] <Linux_Galore> lol
[12:20] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: dont visit my place i collect PDA's
[12:21] <Linux_Galore> Ive got the whole Newton range including the clambook "in its original box"
[12:21] <Jucato> ha!! If I did, I'd steal them :P
[12:21] <Linux_Galore> got it from some guy in the UK, he baught it and never used the thing
[12:22] <Linux_Galore> so basically its brand new
[12:22] <Jucato> I actually prefer smartphones over plain PDA's or ultra mobiles... I don't like having to carry 2 gadgets around...
[12:22] <Linux_Galore> all the local second hand shops have my email address
[12:22] <Jucato> hah
[12:23] <acidplace> hello
[12:23] <acidplace> people
[12:23] <acidplace> help me pls
[12:23] <Linux_Galore> you may laugh now, but my Apple newtons have doubled on price on ebay in two years
[12:23] <acidplace> i need to install xgl
[12:23] <Linux_Galore> acidplace: ask away
[12:23] <cpk1> hooray no more boring pda talk, someone needs real help
[12:23] <cpk1> =)
[12:24] <Linux_Galore> acidplace: what type of graphics card do you have
[12:24] <Linux_Galore> lol
[12:24] <acidplace> Savege 3d
[12:24] <Jucato> cpk1: :P
[12:24] <grothesk> acidplace: Forget it.
[12:24] <Linux_Galore> acidplace: not enough grunt
[12:24] <acidplace> iok
[12:24] <acidplace> ok
[12:24] <Jucato> won't work..
[12:24] <Linux_Galore> acidplace: you need a GF4 at least
[12:24] <Jucato> or an ATI equivalent...
[12:25] <Linux_Galore> yeah but the ati drivers are rubbish
[12:25] <Linux_Galore> with xgl
[12:25] <acidplace> GeForce 6200
[12:25] <grothesk> Even without xgl *g*
[12:25] <Jucato> ati = aiglx, nvidia = xgl
[12:25] <Linux_Galore> lol
[12:25] <Jucato> acidplace: that would work, I guess
[12:25] <Linux_Galore> no isnt xgl = Novel and aixgl = red hat
[12:26] <cpk1> they are both doing the same thing
[12:26] <acidplace> what is rubbish
[12:26] <Linux_Galore> ati drivers
[12:26] <Jucato> acidplace: rubbish means "trash"
[12:26] <acidplace> ati drivers is not good?
[12:27] <Linux_Galore> acidplace: rubbish - garbage.trash,refuse
[12:27] <acidplace> what?
[12:27] <grothesk> No, ati drivers are not good.
[12:27] <Linux_Galore> acidplace: there ok but nvidia does a better job
[12:27] <acidplace> ok
[12:27] <Jucato> some like ATI, some like NVIDIA. personal choice...
[12:27] <acidplace> but
[12:27] <cpk1> it used to be that nvidia was the clear choice for a linux machine
[12:27] <swatgoss> for nux drivers nvidia is a bit ahead
[12:28] <swatgoss> i got a 6600GT on my desk PC and a Mobility 9200 on my laptop ...
[12:28] <Linux_Galore> yeah also Nvidia is launching the new 9### series drivers with better xorg 7.01 support
[12:28] <Jucato> anyway, acidplace you need an nvidia card for xgl to work
[12:28] <acidplace> i installed  to my home PC GeForce FX 5200 MB 128bit is good
[12:28] <Jucato> yes, that kind of video card
[12:28] <swatgoss> 9200 only run generic drivers :p
[12:29] <Linux_Galore> got 7200 on this machine and a 420m on my laptop
[12:29] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: don't you mean X.org 7.1?
[12:29] <swatgoss> FX5200 128bits ?
[12:29] <swatgoss> called a 5500 now :p
[12:29] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: could be
[12:29] <swatgoss> 3rd gen FX5200 are 64bits
[12:29] <swatgoss> or speaking about 128MB :p
[12:30] <Jucato> unfortunately, the X.org that will ship with Edgy has only AIGLX enabled, and it seems that X.org prefers AIGLX... :(
[12:30] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: just read the release details and it said native support for xorg 7. something
[12:30] <laz-e-coyote> hi, does anyone know if it's possible to focus on the filter text box in the konqueror toolbar using a keyboard shortcut?
[12:30] <Linux_Galore> yeah but aiglx is no were near as mature as xgl
[12:30] <acidplace> but peple help me to install to my PC XGL
[12:30] <acidplace> on ge force FX5200 128MB
[12:30] <Jucato> !xgl
[12:30] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[12:31] <Linux_Galore> acidplace: wont work your card hasnt got enough grunt to run the effects
[12:31] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: he has one on his PC at home
[12:31] <Jucato> laz-e-coyote: that I'd love to know too
[12:32] <Linux_Galore> acidplace: click the link above this post
[12:32] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: lag
[12:32] <Jucato> :(
[12:32] <laz-e-coyote> Jucato: it's one of the most useful features in kde, but the lack of keyboard shortcut makes it almost useless
[12:33] <Linux_Galore> laz-e-coyote: ??
[12:33] <Jucato> laz-e-coyote: yeah... in the meantime, you could try "fast typing" to get to the file if you know the filename
[12:33] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: filter search in Konqueroro
[12:33] <laz-e-coyote> Linux_Galore: the filter text box in konqueror
[12:34] <Linux_Galore> laz-e-coyote: I use kbeagle for text files
[12:34] <abattoir> you guys mean the filter box in the file mgmt. mode?
[12:34] <Linux_Galore> laz-e-coyote: wrong tool
[12:34] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: err... not that
[12:34] <Jucato> abattoir: yes
[12:34] <laz-e-coyote> abattoir: exactly
[12:34] <Jucato> you know of any keyboard voodoo?
[12:34] <Jucato> abattoir: btw, wb :)
[12:34] <abattoir> Jucato: thanks :)
[12:34] <zorglu_> i like the web :)
[12:35] <abattoir> Jucato: seems like my clone left when i left too :)
[12:35] <Jucato> heh
[12:35] <zorglu_> Jucato: i just googled you, looked at your blog and what you were doing. it is cool :)
[12:35] <Jucato> O_O
[12:35] <Jucato> which of my blogs?
[12:36] <Linux_Galore> laz-e-coyote: heh heh I have a text filter on konqueror, Tools->View Filter->Text Document
[12:36] <Jucato> this is one of those moments that I wish I was like abattoir :)
[12:36] <zorglu_> Jucato: dont remember the url, the one about ubuntu with the classroom, on wordpress i think
[12:36] <Linux_Galore> laz-e-coyote: you mean that
[12:36] <Jucato> aah
[12:36] <Jucato> lol
[12:36] <abattoir> Jucato: why what happened?
[12:36] <Jucato> my Multiply site is more updated than WP..
[12:36] <abattoir> aah, being discreet :)
[12:37] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: err... wrong answer?
[12:37] <laz-e-coyote> Linux_Galore: no, i mean the filter text box on the toolbar, when u type something in it it filters the list of files and shows only the files with the text your wrote in the filename string
[12:37] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: he's asking about a keyboard shortcut to activate the filter search field in Konqueror
[12:37] <Linux_Galore> laz-e-coyote: he want to filter text files doesnt he
[12:37] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: aaa
[12:37] <laz-e-coyote> Linux_Galore: no
[12:37] <Jucato> something like what F6 does to the URL/Location bar
[12:37] <abattoir> or Ctrl+L
[12:38] <laz-e-coyote> Linux_Galore: i want to show only files that have a specific string in their filename
[12:38] <Jucato> abattoir: that's for the location/address bar...
[12:38] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: you mean link a key with a command
[12:38] <abattoir> Ctrl+S goes to the search bar
[12:38] <laz-e-coyote> Linux_Galore: and not necessarily in the beginning of the file
[12:38] <abattoir> maybe its time to  code one ;)
[12:38] <laz-e-coyote> abattoir: it's not the search bar
[12:38] <Linux_Galore> laz-e-coyote: do that with keytouch
[12:38] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: no
[12:38] <Jucato> not the search bar, not a command...
[12:38] <abattoir> Jucato: yes, that's what i meant, it was an 'or' for your statement
[12:38] <laz-e-coyote> Linux_Galore: how?
[12:38] <Jucato> aah
[12:39] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: do you see what happens when you press Ctrl+L or F6?
[12:39] <Jucato> in Konqueror
[12:39] <Linux_Galore> laz-e-coyote: every app has an kio option that you can tell keytouch to activate
[12:40] <laz-e-coyote> Linux_Galore: can i test it with dcop?
[12:40] <Jucato> er.. problem in using dcop... you have to know the exact name of the Konqueror instance
[12:41] <Linux_Galore> laz-e-coyote: good example run dcop amarok player nowPlaying  when amarok is up and running
[12:41] <Linux_Galore> laz-e-coyote: in the command line
[12:41] <Linux_Galore> it should tell you what is playing
[12:41] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: problem in using dcop... you have to know the exact name of the Konqueror instance for it to work
[12:42] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yes but you can use --help
[12:42] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: at each level
[12:42] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: not what I meant
[12:42] <Linux_Galore> help will then tell you your options
[12:42] <swatgoss> thetime
[12:42] <Jucato> dcop sees Konqueror as konqueror-####
[12:43] <Jucato> each konqueror instance has a different number.
[12:43] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yeah but you can script that and key keytouch to run it
[12:43] <Linux_Galore> get*
[12:43] <Werdna> wow. dualbooting is actually pretty damn easy
[12:43] <Linux_Galore> keytouch -> script -> konqueror action
[12:44] <Jucato> well if you say so... but don't you think it's overkill to be going through this for a function that should actually be there?
[12:44] <Jucato> Werdna: glad you found your way
[12:44] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: or just use kbeagle lol
[12:44] <Werdna> Jucato, ;-) thanks.
[12:44] <Jucato> they serve different purposes...
[12:44] <laz-e-coyote> Linux_Galore: i only want the files in the current folder
[12:45] <Jucato> and it's even more overkill to use beagle to quickly filter through a directory that you're already on...
[12:46] <lupine_85> beagle-- :(
[12:47] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: bugger me kcontrol->system->Input Actions  its all there
[12:47] <zorglu_> one kde guys, vandoneur or close, did something similar on kde (in c++)
[12:47] <Jucato> but not the "exact" command/shortcut...
[12:48] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yes you can edit the exact command keyboard shortcut , even show some examples
[12:48] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: I meant, not the exact command that laz-e-coyote has been looking for.
[12:48] <Jucato> "focus filter search"
[12:49] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: its in kcontrol
[12:49] <Jucato> where? I'm looking at it right now
[12:49] <Jucato> where is the Input Action that will focus on the Filter Search field?
[12:52] <Jucato> hm....
[12:52] <laz-e-coyote> i can't find the filter thing using dcop
[12:52] <Jucato> neither can I...
[12:53] <laz-e-coyote> the konqueror-9156 item doesn't seem to have that
[12:53] <Jucato> (btw, you can use kdcop to use dcop with a GUI)
[12:57] <Linux_Galore> just had an idea, I remember reading something about hacking the konquerorrc file for shortcuts
[12:57] <Jucato> well, unless we know which part/command/whatever does that..
[01:04] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: aaah you can set window specific shortcuts
[01:04] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: Alt+F3
[01:04] <Linux_Galore> basically you save your text browsing filtered session
[01:05] <Jucato> ???
[01:05] <bropho> any1 know where i can get some stuff for linux
[01:05] <bropho> free stuff
[01:05] <swatgoss> adept ?
[01:05] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: say I use the filter->text option i can actually save that as a mode
[01:05] <Linux_Galore> then access it with a shortcut
[01:06] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: and if I would want to filter on another directory? will it work?
[01:06] <swatgoss> bropho try adept ...
[01:06] <bropho> swatgoss wats that
[01:07] <swatgoss> bropho program for download/install all kind of other programs
[01:07] <swatgoss> u click on the program u like
[01:07] <swatgoss> apply
[01:07] <swatgoss> and u have the program
[01:07] <swatgoss> all free
[01:08] <bropho> swatgoss where from
[01:08] <swatgoss> K menu
[01:08] <swatgoss> system > adept manager
[01:08] <Jucato> bropho: read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware and this https://help.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/add-applications.html
[01:08] <Loungefly> hey all, just wanting to get some feedback. I know Reconstructor and UCK are available, but is there any way to make a liveCD based on a currently installed Ubuntu/Kubuntu? In the way that mklivecd is able to etc.
[01:08] <bropho> oh right i know wat u mean know i know about that
[01:09] <swatgoss> what kind of free stuff u look after ?
[01:09] <Loungefly> :)
[01:09] <swatgoss> all programs u can want to DL are on adept
[01:10] <bropho> ok then what about wmv codec
[01:10] <swatgoss> !codec
[01:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:10] <swatgoss> !codecs
[01:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:10] <swatgoss> look here
[01:11] <Loungefly> anyone? Bueller....Bueller....
[01:11] <SillyZ> gmorning
[01:11] <swatgoss> morning ? what country ?
[01:11] <abattoir> Ferris bueller? :P
[01:11] <bropho> its 9"11 pm here
[01:11] <SillyZ> usa, gmt-0500
[01:11] <bropho> 9:11 pm
[01:12] <Loungefly> yep :P amazing how many people don't pick up on that. I must be getting old :P
[01:12] <swatgoss> 1:12pm ....
[01:12] <bropho> im in aus
[01:12] <bropho> auzzie
[01:12] <SillyZ> i know who bueller is, and ya makes me feel old just thinkin bout it
[01:12] <SillyZ> :D
[01:12] <Loungefly> lol
[01:13] <Loungefly> what part of oz bropho?
[01:13] <bropho> tas
[01:13] <Loungefly> ok so I take it there's no way to create a liveCD based on a current install?
[01:13] <Loungefly> ah cool
[01:13] <Loungefly> south coast NSW here
[01:13] <bropho> cool
[01:13] <DeadSouL> I connected my laptop to TV. I got output from both TV and Laptop's monitor but image in the TV is black and white. How can I make it colorful
[01:14] <DeadSouL> ?
[01:14] <bropho> iim bored
[01:14] <leo__> hi
[01:15] <leo__> jemand aus deutschland da?
[01:15] <Loungefly> whatchoo talkin' bout Willis
[01:17] <swatgoss> about how many hours can i consider JDK 5.0 install is crashed ? 3 hours is enough  ?
[01:18] <bropho> i want to learn c++
[01:18] <swatgoss> www.wannalearnc++.com
[01:20] <bropho> cool thanks
[01:20] <laz-e-coyote> Linux_Galore: i don't wanna filter text files
[01:21] <laz-e-coyote> Linux_Galore: i want to display only files with a specific string in the NAME of the file
[01:21] <lupine_85> then use find :)
[01:21] <lupine_85> or slocate
[01:21] <fleissigfiona> hey lupine
[01:22] <lupine_85> hi :)
[01:22] <lupine_85> how's you?
[01:22] <fleissigfiona> good thanks
[01:23] <momal> Does anyone know how to reload xorg to all defaults? when I started kubuntu it just showed the checkedscreen with black X-hair. So I reinstalled xorg, reinstalled the nvidia drivers, tried nvidia drivers from sound, glx and glx-legacy and using nvidia-xconfig... nothing is working. my card is a GF7800gt
[01:23] <bropho> my web browser wont work (konqueror, firefox)
[01:23] <bropho> my web browsers wont work (konqueror, firefox)
[01:23] <momal> I have trid | X -configure | as well and no work :(
[01:23] <swatgoss> do u ever saw an URL with a "+" in it ?
[01:24] <bropho> its not that konqueror wont start up
[01:24] <swatgoss> do = did
[01:24] <Linux_Galore> laz-e-coyote: learn the command line lazy
[01:24] <Linux_Galore> laz-e-coyote: ie grep will filter files
[01:24] <tillmann> momal: are you sure that you are starting some kind of login manager (kdm/gdm)
[01:25] <bropho> ill be back in a sec reboot computer
[01:26] <momal> omfg didn't think of that will check.
[01:26] <pera> sorry
[01:28] <momal> kdm seems to start well it is running kdm according to ps
[01:30] <bropho> im back
[01:33] <Linux_Galore> you know the only thing that I find annoying about konqueror is there is no shortcut to Find, Firefox its ctrl f
[01:34] <bropho> im bored
[01:34] <momal> is there some generic drivers for nvidia cards that will work with xorg? that I can load
[01:37] <tillmann> I don't know much about nvidea driver or X in general, but the open source nv driver should at least get you 2D support
[01:38] <tillmann> you might try to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:38] <Linux_Galore> momal: yeah you have two choices, get the driver from nvidia.com or install the nvidia driver via adept
[01:38] <tillmann> and have at /var/log/Xorg.*.log
[01:39] <momal> linux_galore: I have already tried both X starts then just hangs on checked screen with black X-hair
[01:39] <Linux_Galore> momal: thats X running
[01:40] <Linux_Galore> momal: do you get the nvidia splash screen
[01:41] <Linux_Galore> momal: if you dont get the nvidia splash screen it means the driver isnt installed properly
[01:43] <momal> I get it then it goes straight to checked screen and stops
[01:44] <Linux_Galore> momal: read this -> http://kubuntu101.blogspot.com/2005/11/linux-gaming-part-4-installing-nvidia.html
[01:44] <Linux_Galore> momal: you dont have the driver installed its that simple
[01:44] <Linux_Galore> momal: no nvidia flash screen = driver not installed properly
[01:45] <Linux_Galore> momal: ok boot the machine up and I will show you how to get it back to a default settings
[01:45] <Samuli^> momal, there's nvidia-glx in the repos.
[01:45] <momal> Linux_Galore: I said i got it the flash screen with nvidia icon but then after it comes up it goes to checked screen with black X
[01:46] <momal> already have that installed samuli^
[01:46] <Linux_Galore> momal: so you get the Big NVIDIA logo
[01:46] <Linux_Galore> momal: if you get that then the driver is working
[01:46] <momal> yes white background nvidia logo in middle thats green and says nvidia
[01:46] <momal> but then it just stops
[01:47] <Linux_Galore> momal: if you get X that means the X graphical server is working
[01:47] <Linux_Galore> momal: if you get no login that means kdm is borked
[01:47] <momal> yea then why isn't anything else loading :S
[01:47] <Linux_Galore> momal: press ctrl alt backspace
[01:48] <Samuli^> momal, try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[01:48] <crazyjazy> ne1 help me with an alternate install of ubuntu (using a backpack external cd drive
[01:48] <Samuli^> maybe it's just no running at all.
[01:48] <Samuli^> not
[01:48] <Linux_Galore> Samuli^: yeah I think he broke kdm some how
[01:48] <Linux_Galore> Samuli^: stuffing around with adept lol
[01:49] <Linux_Galore> Samuli^: maybe the whole kubuntu-desktop has been removed, saw that once
[01:49] <Linux_Galore> get the same problem were x works but theres nothing to load
[01:50] <Samuli^> heh, yeah. Or kdm just isn't running. X doesn't start kdm.
[01:51] <bropho> you cant read this
[01:51] <bropho>  you cant read this
[01:51] <Linux_Galore> Samuli^: after years of doing admin and tech support first thing I learn is people lie about why there computer has gone spastic
[01:51] <bropho> damit
[01:52] <bropho> i want red hat
[01:52] <bropho> linux
[01:52] <bropho> cost too much
[01:52] <Linux_Galore> Samuli^: got to the stage were at work I have no admin logins allowed via a keyboard, you have to use a usb thumb drive with a pam key on it
[01:53] <Linux_Galore> bropho: get CentOS  its a free version of RHEL
[01:53] <Linux_Galore> bropho: or use fedora
[01:53] <bropho> linux is big too download though i have slow internet
[01:54] <Linux_Galore> bropho: you can install some distro via a floppy or a small image you can download ie suse can do that
[01:54] <bropho> yeah but doesnt it use the internet for the install
[01:54] <Linux_Galore> bropho: linux is as big or small as you want it to be, dam small Linux (dsl) is only about 64mb
[01:55] <Linux_Galore> bropho: you can always just order an ubuntu cd to be sent to you for free
[01:56] <Linux_Galore> bropho: or talk to your local LUG and they will often give you a CD for nothing or for a trade on a blank cd
[01:56] <bropho> im kubuntu know from a magazine i got. im going to got to that shop 2morrow
[01:56] <bropho> LUG?
[01:56] <Linux_Galore> http://www.ssc.com:8080/glue/groups/
[01:57] <Linux_Galore> bropho: click on the link above to find you local lug  (Linux user group)
[01:57] <bropho> im from a small town we dont have one
[01:57] <Linux_Galore> bropho: you do have a mail box dont you
[01:57] <bropho> yes
[01:58] <Linux_Galore> bropho: send a self address letter to the person offering the cd at your nearest LUG
[01:58] <Linux_Galore> bropho: they will mail you the cd back
[01:58] <bropho> it took me too www.linuxjournal.com
[01:59] <momal> omg... It started up after running /etc/init.d/kdm restart and i rebooted the computer just to make sure was all good.. now it freezes on kubuntu screen with the kubuntu logo in blue and the blue loading bar. so I tried running the restart again and just sits there O_o
[01:59] <Linux_Galore> bropho: sorry better link -> http://www.linux.org/groups/
[02:00] <bropho> loading
[02:00] <Linux_Galore> momal: something is seriously borked
[02:01] <momal> ok just reinstalled nvidia drivers from sound seems to come up now... time for another reboot and see what happens
[02:01] <Linux_Galore> momal: when it becomes a moving target like with your machine I start thinking bad hardware
[02:01] <bropho> cool i found one in my state (tasmania)
[02:02] <Linux_Galore> bropho: now go onto there mailing list sign up and them email them a request
[02:02] <Werdna> are dm-x devices removable, i.e. a firewire drive or something?
[02:02] <momal> rofl i hope not its all new lol!... its rebooting forsome reason X didn't load jsut before said nvidia module wasn't loaded its booting up now hopefully will work
[02:02] <Linux_Galore> bropho: they might even have a channel on freenode
[02:02] <bropho> ok
[02:03] <bropho> thanks
[02:03] <Linux_Galore> bropho: whats the club called tslug ??
[02:03] <Linux_Galore> bropho: whats the club called taslug ??
[02:03] <bropho> yes
[02:04] <bobbyyu> I have a problem: my packages are broken and Adept won't commit changes
[02:04] <Werdna> bobbyyu, what have you changed recently?
[02:04] <bobbyyu> What is the first thing to check?
[02:04] <Linux_Galore> bropho: aah there called penguinlug  lol
[02:04] <bobbyyu> What do you mean?
[02:04] <Werdna> some error message pastes might also be helpful - but if it's more than a line or two, put it in a pastebin
[02:04] <bobbyyu> I did a massive update
[02:05] <Werdna> I see.
[02:05] <bropho> lol
[02:06] <bropho> stupid slow internet
[02:06] <Linux_Galore> bropho: well they have a forum, so just create an account and ask away
[02:07] <Linux_Galore> bropho: why do you have dialup ?, dsl is the same price now
[02:07] <bropho> dsl is not available were im at
[02:07] <Werdna> !dualboot
[02:07] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions for x86/amd64 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - for mac https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[02:07] <bobbyyu> So what's the first thing to look?
[02:07] <Linux_Galore> bropho: what your too far from the exchange ??
[02:08] <Linux_Galore> bropho: all exchanges in AU not have dsl, its legislative law
[02:08] <Linux_Galore> now*
[02:09] <bropho> i dont telstra wont let us have unless 300 people demand it and our pop is only 900
[02:09] <bropho> telstra wont let us have unless 300 people demand it and our pop is only 900
[02:09] <Linux_Galore> bropho: they cant refuse, tell them they are infringing there T1 agreement with the government and you will lodge a complaint with the aca
[02:10] <Linux_Galore> bropho: bet you get dsl in a week
[02:10] <bropho> wat make u say that
[02:10] <Linux_Galore> because the aca will slap a $500 per day fine on them
[02:10] <bropho> where can i see this agreenmant
[02:11] <Linux_Galore> broth: just inquire about the aca on google
[02:11] <Linux_Galore> bropho: they manage all that type of stuff
[02:12] <bropho> ok this is geting interesting
[02:12] <bropho> theres alot of aca's on google wich one is it
[02:13] <Linux_Galore> bropho: part of the deal with the t1 selloff is a service guarantee to remote areas
[02:13] <Linux_Galore> bropho: be a .gov one
[02:14] <bropho> what does aca stand for
[02:15] <Linux_Galore> bropho: http://www.acma.gov.au/ACMAINTER:HOMEPAGE::pc=HOME
[02:15] <Linux_Galore> australian communications authority
[02:16] <bropho> thanks
[02:16] <stephan> STOP
[02:19] <momal> ok this makes no freeken sense >_<. boots up and doesn't start X trying to start X manually says about nvidia module not loading. So i run the nvidia driver installer it installs fine. I restart X and kdm back up they work fine as soon as I reboot the computer it wont start again.
[02:20] <Linux_Galore> momal: something isnt being saved
[02:20] <bropho> linux_galore: i cant find it
[02:20] <Linux_Galore> bropho: it wont be on there home page email and ask
[02:20] <bropho> ok
[02:21] <Linux_Galore> bropho: so no wireless either huh
[02:21] <momal> the error on X is about api mismatch from the X module to the Nvidia kernal module :S
[02:21] <bropho> wireless broadband yeah but its slower than dial-up here
[02:22] <Linux_Galore> bropho: they wonder why more young people leave than stay in Tasmania per year, hmm might be because there so technically retarded that young people feel strangled
[02:22] <bropho> yeah thats about right but i would be happy with leaving this crappy town
[02:23] <Linux_Galore> bropho: Tamsmania in 20 years will be just full of greenies and old people
[02:23] <Werdna> teehee
[02:23] <bropho> i hpe not
[02:23] <Linux_Galore> bropho: my parents lived there for a while
[02:23] <bropho> yeah?
[02:23] <Linux_Galore> bropho: they couldnt leave fast enough
[02:23] <dhq> i will install windows xp now how do i reconfigure grub
[02:24] <bropho> yeah
[02:24] <Linux_Galore> bropho: Tasmania when I rode my motorbike there reminded me allot of rural northern victoria
[02:25] <Linux_Galore> bropho: nice place to visit (Tasmania) sux to be you lol
[02:25] <bropho> yeah i know i am me!
[02:26] <MenZa> dhq: try #ubuntu
[02:27] <Linux_Galore> bropho: the neighbours next to were my parents lived built there own log cabbin house and decided they would live on the dole for the rest of there lives, I asked, so your not ever going to get a job, they were a matter of fact "yep"
[02:27] <momal> Anyone have an ideas to why nvidia module wont save ?... (X doesn't start install drivers it works. reboot computer doesn't work again)
[02:28] <bropho> lol
[02:28] <Linux_Galore> bropho: everyone is running some type of back yard scam in tasmania, I got fresh milk and eggs and beef that was butchered only 5 days ago
[02:29] <Linux_Galore> bropho: if you a no chemicals so fresh its still warm type of person tasmania is great
[02:29] <bropho> i dont realy care about that stuff as long as its good
[02:30] <Linux_Galore> bropho: trust me it is, I miss the milk and the mega tender steaks
[02:30] <bropho> yeah i like meat
[02:30] <Linux_Galore> and the day old eggs
[02:30] <bropho> eggs are ok
[02:30] <arunkale> hey people
[02:31] <Linux_Galore> bropho: depends were you get them, super market eggs are a week old
[02:32] <Linux_Galore> bropho: day old eggs have a funny smell so they put them in storage for a week
[02:32] <bropho> i sometimes get them from my grandad who lives on a farm
[02:32] <Linux_Galore> sheesh no questions tonight
[02:32] <Linux_Galore> bropho: yeah, found you cant make cakes with day old eggs
[02:33] <Linux_Galore> bropho: have to wait a few days
[02:33] <larson9999> i wrote a tool for work years ago that reported on disk usage at the user/file/ and directory level.  basically you set thresholds for when you wanted to report.  for instance percentage free of the file system, directories over a certain size and files over a certain size.  i've looked for disk usage tools and can't find anything that breaks it down to that level.  before i rewrite it i figured i'd ask if anyone here knows of such
[02:33] <larson9999>  a tool
[02:34] <Linux_Galore> larson9999: Ive seen something like that
[02:34] <Linux_Galore> larson9999: actually a few apps that do it
[02:35] <Linux_Galore> larson9999: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=disk+usage&section=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0
[02:35] <Werdna> !wifi
[02:35] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:36] <Linux_Galore> larson9999: only 43 projects
[02:36] <Linux_Galore> heh heh
[02:37] <bropho> i just sent that email to acma
[02:37] <bropho> abouyt dsl
[02:37] <gubatron_> momal, you there?
[02:37] <bropho> about
[02:37] <momal> garr can't figure it out gues i'll jsut have to never reboot >_<
[02:37] <momal> yea I am
[02:37] <gubatron_> momal: you have the latest kernel headers?
[02:37] <Linux_Galore> bropho: see what they say, Liberals have been watering down all the T1 stuff
[02:37] <momal> unles they were updated in the last month
[02:37] <bropho> ok
[02:38] <larson9999> Linux_Galore: lol.  i looked and didn't see anything that is exactly what i'm looking for.  i'll look again through this list.
[02:38] <gubatron_> I think they were, I had to recompile my vmware and my vpnclient this week, I did a dist-upgrade during the weekend
[02:38] <momal> i'll do a full update on my system again.
[02:38] <Linux_Galore> larson9999: diskfree emails you
[02:39] <larson9999> Linux_Galore: just saw that.  looks close
[02:39] <bropho> i havent got confirm email from taslug yet
[02:39] <gubatron_> and momal you have the linux-restricted-modules-2.6.latest-your-arch ?
[02:39] <gubatron_> you want to make sure there's no mismatch bet. your kernel and those nvidia modules
[02:39] <Linux_Galore> larson9999: always search with a different string on that site
[02:40] <gubatron_> momal: I went through similar problems this week on two machines, configuring xgl, and configuring a dual screen machine
[02:40] <Linux_Galore> larson9999: ie disk monitoring
[02:40] <gubatron_> this channel rocks, always had it open on konversation but never read it
[02:45] <bropho> im hungry be back in a sec
[02:46] <swatgoss> re all
[02:47] <swatgoss> my JDK install crashed
[02:47] <swatgoss> after reboot adept tells me he is in read only mode
[02:48] <Jucato> swatgoss: run this in Konsole: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:48] <swatgoss> do i have a way to clear some kind of cache
[02:49] <swatgoss> it restard install ?
[02:49] <Jucato> swatgoss: yes
[02:49] <momal> apt-get clean i belive will clear its cache
[02:49] <Jucato> it will continue where it stopped when it hung
[02:49] <Jucato> hang.. hung... err
[02:49] <swatgoss> Paramtrage de libltdl3 (1.5.22-2) ...
[02:49] <swatgoss> Paramtrage de odbcinst1debian1 (2.2.11-11build1) ...
[02:49] <swatgoss> Paramtrage de unixodbc (2.2.11-11build1) ...
[02:50] <Jucato> swatgoss: don't paste here please. use pastebin
[02:50] <swatgoss> tells me only this, adpet crashed at the early beginning of jdk 5.0
[02:50] <swatgoss> i think its ok now :p
[02:50] <Jucato> the command that I gave should fix it
[02:50] <NeoSaki> I do not speaka this language
[02:50] <swatgoss> i didnt use pastebin cuz its only 3 lines :p
[02:50] <Jucato> :P
[02:50] <zorglu_> q. im trying to narrow down the reason of why kded eat 100% cpu on my box, it keep reading on a socket, socket:[18751]  according to /proc, how can i convert socket:[18751]  to a more readable format ?
[02:51] <swatgoss> dictionnary ?
[02:51] <swatgoss> google translate ?
[02:51] <swatgoss> oh, not google translate, u asked readable thing :p
[02:51] <NeoSaki> Saki Don't Speak anything besides Fontinium
[02:51] <Jucato> zorglu_: have you tried the #kde channel?
[02:52] <momal> what kernal should be used for amx x2 ?
[02:52] <swatgoss> amx X2 ?
[02:52] <swatgoss> woooow
[02:52] <NeoSaki> AMD X-2
[02:52] <swatgoss> french tank :p
[02:52] <momal> that could be my prob since im on amd now rather then p4
[02:52] <Jucato> heh...
[02:52] <swatgoss> AMD 64 kernel ?
[02:52] <NeoSaki> yeah
[02:52] <swatgoss> or K8
[02:52] <NeoSaki> Kubuntu-64
[02:52] <zorglu_> Jucato: not yet this one :) ok trying
[02:52] <swatgoss> but i don t know SMP ...
[02:53] <swatgoss> "if they are SMP"
[02:53] <momal> yea amd x2 4200.. umm anyway i can update it to 64 without reinstall of everything ?
[02:53] <NeoSaki> momal: yeah
[02:53] <swatgoss> you sure ?
[02:53] <NeoSaki> momal: just install the x86_64 image
[02:53] <swatgoss> oh yeah
[02:53] <NeoSaki> momal: and edit grub
[02:53] <swatgoss> just thniking about it :p
[02:54] <NeoSaki> I am running both 64 and 32
[02:54] <swatgoss> programs are the same ...
[02:54] <bropho> Linux_Galore: y so quiet
[02:54] <swatgoss> u got a 96bit OS ?
[02:54] <swatgoss> great !
[02:55] <NeoSaki> >_>
[02:55] <swatgoss> -_- scarying myself sometimes ...
[02:55] <momal> arr... hmm is the 64 in another rep? because its not in mine :(
[02:55] <swatgoss> my hand have no humor ...
[02:55] <NeoSaki> I wish Flash would hurry up and support linux x86_64 already
[02:55] <NeoSaki> momal: yeah
[02:55] <NeoSaki> momal: you have to enable the 64-bit repos
[02:56] <NeoSaki> !x86_64
[02:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about x86_64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:56] <momal> wait a second... flash.. are you saying i can't use any flash in firefox on 64 O_o
[02:56] <swatgoss> !amd64
[02:56] <NeoSaki> hrm... that sucks
[02:56] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[02:56] <NeoSaki> ahh
[02:56] <NeoSaki> momal: Yeah, You have todo a work around to get it to work properly
[02:56] <swatgoss> linux = cluedo sometimes :p
[02:56] <momal> ... have you gotten that workaround to acually work ?
[02:57] <swatgoss> jdk install is back :p
[02:57] <Werdna> how can I download the package file for ubuntu to transfer onto a non-networked computer?
[02:57] <swatgoss> good question
[02:58] <momal> on apt-get you can make it download but not install can't you i remember seeing it somewhere.. have a look at apt-get --help
[02:58] <Werdna> hmm...
[02:58] <swatgoss> are the repos "connectable" via http or something ?
[02:58] <Werdna> is there a website I can browse a la packages.debian.org?
[02:59] <Jucato> packages.ubuntu.com
[02:59] <Werdna> dammit.
[02:59] <Werdna> thank you captain obvious :-D
[02:59] <Jucato> the problem with downloading and installing packages individually is that you won't be able to know and resolve dependencies
[02:59] <Werdna> yeah, I'll fix that up
[02:59] <Jucato> "sudo apt-get install -d <package>" to download only, iirc
[03:00] <swatgoss> packages can't "detect" themselves on a local partition ?
[03:00] <Werdna> !wifi
[03:00] <swatgoss> and their dependencies
[03:00] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:00] <Jucato> swatgoss: what do you mean?
[03:00] <swatgoss> u have 3 packages on a local disk
[03:00] <swatgoss> u launch install of 1 of 3
[03:00] <swatgoss> 3 are dependant
[03:01] <swatgoss> do the 1st detect and install the 2 others ?
[03:01] <Jucato> nope.
[03:01] <Jucato> only apt-get and higher package managers can do that
[03:01] <swatgoss> v_v
[03:01] <Jucato> installing and individual package requires you to use dpkg, which doesn't have dependency handling
[03:03] <swatgoss> got 1.6+ GB free on my "/" ... and the jdk install freeze again, 9% this time ...
[03:03] <swatgoss> last time it does this
[03:03] <Werdna> hmm.. that's weird
[03:03] <Jucato> swatgoss: what are you using to install it and from where are you getting it?
[03:04] <Werdna> I have ndiswrapper installed, but get ndiswrapper: command not found.
[03:04] <swatgoss> adept > install jdk 5.0 > freeze
[03:04] <Werdna> ah, I need ndiswrapper-utils
[03:04] <swatgoss> from normal repos
[03:04] <Jucato> swatgoss: don't use Adept to install anything java
[03:04] <momal> hmm anyone happen to know of the url to the 64bit reps?
[03:05] <swatgoss> ..........
[03:05] <Jucato> use apt-get. it "hangs" because it's requiring you to agree to a license agreement
[03:05] <swatgoss> adept GUI don't show CANCEL button ...
[03:05] <zorglu_> swatgoss: i would guess adept ask for a license agreement, you may look at 'terminal output' or close. or use the same package via apt-get
[03:05] <zorglu_> as jucato said :)
[03:06] <zorglu_> ok going to work
[03:06] <Jucato> swatgoss: close Adept (just close it) and run the command I gave earlier
[03:06] <swatgoss> ok ok
[03:06] <swatgoss> dpkg config -a ?
[03:06] <Jucato> swatgoss: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:06] <swatgoss> locked by another process
[03:08] <momal> lol close adept
[03:08] <swatgoss> reboot ... winuser inside :p
[03:08] <swatgoss> adept CLOSED, not killed
[03:08] <Jucato> swatgoss: sudo killall adept
[03:08] <Jucato> then the dpkg command
[03:09] <swatgoss> not via taskmanager ?
[03:09] <Jucato> swatgoss: you will have to run taskmanager as root to kill it
[03:09] <swatgoss> adept: no process killed
[03:09] <Jucato> hm...
[03:09] <Milkyy> Hey, I'm trying to run a game called "Tremulous" but apparently I get this: tremulous: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:09] <swatgoss> conf -a always locked
[03:09] <Jucato> the "sudo dpkg --configure -a"  says it's still locked?
[03:10] <swatgoss> reboot incoming :p
[03:10] <Jucato> swatgoss: if you want to
[03:10] <swatgoss> will be back 8)
[03:10] <harvey_> hi there
[03:11] <momal> hmm... what kernel should i use for amd 32?
[03:11] <Jucato> amd 32?
[03:12] <Jucato> is that like Sempron 2200 (1.5GHz)?
[03:12] <Dink> 2.6.18
[03:12] <Dink> =)
[03:12] <momal> nar im talking about the 32bit side of a amx x2
[03:12] <momal> amd x2*
[03:12] <Jucato> ah
[03:12] <momal> I mean the arch lol
[03:13] <Dink> 2.6.18 works great :)
[03:13] <Milkyy> anyone?
[03:13] <Dink> other then backporting module-assistant from edgy
[03:15] <milco> hmmm
[03:15] <milco> after a dist-upgrade, the nvidia kernel module cannot be found anymore
[03:16] <swatgoss> I'm baaack
[03:16] <Dink> Milkyy you on 64 ?
[03:16] <Jucato> swatgoss: how was it?
[03:16] <Milkyy> Dink:  yes
[03:16] <swatgoss> and dpgk config -a don telle me anything ...
[03:16] <Werdna> bah! wifi on linux is of the devil.
[03:16] <Dink> sudo apt-get install ia32-libs-sdl
[03:16] <Jucato> swatgoss: "sudo dpkg --configure -a" ?
[03:17] <swatgoss> i confirm comand
[03:17] <swatgoss> and nothing
[03:17] <milco> im running kernel 2.6.15.27 since yesterday, but from one moment at the other - i seem to have lost my nvidia kernel module?
[03:17] <swatgoss> yep
[03:17] <swatgoss> i enter my root pass
[03:17] <swatgoss> nothing
[03:17] <milco> when i type 'modeprobe nvidia' > module cannot be found
[03:17] <Milkyy> Dink: great man thanks that worked :)
[03:17] <Jucato> then it means there's nothing wrong anymore
[03:17] <Dink> yep np
[03:17] <milco> i have the nvidia-glx package installed... any ideas?
[03:18] <swatgoss> now CL install, or i got a CD with a .bin "shell script" given with m java book
[03:18] <swatgoss> *my*
[03:18] <Dink> no idea I use ati :p
[03:18] <swatgoss> wich one ?
[03:18] <milco> ..
[03:19] <Dink> plus i compile my own kernel so no idea man.. try to redownload the packages ??
[03:19] <swatgoss> Jucato .deb with command line or jdk .bin on my CD ?
[03:19] <Jucato> swatgoss: have you tried "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jdk" ?
[03:20] <swatgoss> not yet
[03:20] <swatgoss> Jucato but i got 2 options now
[03:20] <Jucato> swatgoss: are you sure jdk is what you wanted to install?
[03:20] <Jucato> not -jre or -bin?
[03:21] <swatgoss> it downloaded 3 things, jdk jre and exemples
[03:21] <Dink> i would get the latest jdk from sun website symlink it to /usr/bin/java and add jre to profile
[03:21] <Dink> jdk comes with jre
[03:21] <Jucato> well, installing from the repositories is supposed to make things easier
[03:22] <swatgoss> but i got 1 CD with my book of "java learning", with a .bin "shell script" on it
[03:22] <swatgoss> a jdk .bin
[03:22] <Dink> easier... this is linux :p
[03:22] <Dink> nothing should be easy
[03:23] <Jucato> aw c'mon, that was ages ago Dink
[03:23] <swatgoss> bah same thing ... i compile my .bin with CL or i use apt-get with CL ...
[03:23] <Jucato> we have something we call "GUI" now
[03:23] <Dink> damn did I just age myself there
[03:23] <swatgoss> can't use a GUI now ...
[03:23] <Jucato> swatgoss: the problem is with Adept actually
[03:23] <milco> for some vaque reason, 'nvidia.ko' disapeared from my machine
[03:23] <swatgoss> and adept isn't a GUI ?
[03:23] <Jucato> if Synaptic was used to install the same package, there wouldn't have been a problem
[03:23] <swatgoss> :'(
[03:23] <Dink> apt-get isnt always 100% especially if you trying to do "special" things
[03:24] <Dink> sometimes you ahve to get down and dirty
[03:24] <milco> ive reinstalled nvidia-glx, but i dont get nvidia.ko back? :/
[03:24] <Jucato> Dink: swatgoss isn't doing something "special", so apt-get should be fine
[03:24] <Dink> what is he doing ?
[03:24] <swatgoss> that's why i'm asking if it couldn't be better to use my .bin on my CD ...
[03:25] <swatgoss> trying to get a jdk
[03:25] <swatgoss> wanna compile/test my 1st java lines :p
[03:25] <Jucato> swatgoss: it may or may not be better. using something not from the repositories means that you're not sure that it would work with Ubuntu
[03:25] <Dink> get jdk from apt-get
[03:25] <Jucato> but then again, since sun-java5 is in multiverse...
[03:26] <Dink> I like doing it myself cuz then you can set your javahome, ant, variables to what you like... which if you are doing java code you probably still have to do
[03:26] <Jucato> !java swatgoss
[03:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about java swatgoss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:26] <Jucato> !java > swatgoss
[03:27] <Jucato> that page might help you if you want to install the .bin
[03:27] <Dink> do you mind a 3 line spam ?
[03:27] <Dink>     *  PATH="/usr/java/jdk1.5.0/bin:$PATH"; export PATH
[03:27] <Dink>     * PATH="/usr/share/ant/bin:$PATH"; export PATH
[03:27] <Dink>     * JAVA_HOME="/usr/java/jdk1.5.0"; export JAVA_HOME
[03:27] <Dink> you probably still need to do that if you are compiling java code
[03:28] <Dink> something simliar based on the location of you jdk... which to me is always better to use sun version
[03:28] <Jucato> Dink: doesn't the update-java-something command take care of that already?
[03:28] <Jucato> !java
[03:28] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[03:28] <Dink> ive had problems in the past using "binary" packages from distros on compiling code
[03:29] <swatgoss> i just want to check my square perimeter computing program ... :'( :'( :'(
[03:29] <Jucato> swatgoss: better listen to someone with more experience in dealing with java... I tend to stay away from java...
[03:29] <Dink> honestly i would get java from sun website
[03:29] <Dink> its like 2 clicks ;)
[03:29] <swatgoss> and 1 compilation ?
[03:29] <Dink> pre compiled
[03:30] <Dink> well i lied
[03:30] <swatgoss> is it javac on linux ?
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> java is easy to setup
[03:30] <swatgoss> i just need a JVM and javac now ...
[03:30] <Dink> its like 3 secs for it to set it all up
[03:30] <Dink> swatgoss get it from sun
[03:30] <Dink> run it
[03:30] <Dink> 3 sec later
[03:30] <Dink> you have all you need
[03:30] <swatgoss> www.sun.com
[03:31] <Jucato> swatgoss: check the link that was PM'd to you
[03:31] <swatgoss> oki doki
[03:31] <momal> anyone happen to have a big list of reps for everything?
[03:32] <Jucato> momal: more than the "official" repos
[03:32] <momal> everything on the offical repos and others
[03:32] <Jucato> er.. that was supposed to be a question
[03:33] <Jucato> official repos are the ones that come installed
[03:33] <Jucato> !easysource
[03:33] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:33] <Linux_Galore> I dont even do that u just downloaded 1.5 with adept and ran  sudo update-alternatives --config java
[03:33] <Jucato> official repos + unofficial ones
[03:33] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: for jdk?
[03:33] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yes
[03:33] <Jucato> oh
[03:34] <Linux_Galore> java is a no brainer
[03:34] <Jucato> "no brainer"... does that mean it's for people with no brains? >:)
[03:34] <Jucato> j/k
[03:34] <swatgoss> probably ...
[03:34] <Linux_Galore> want hard, try getting flash 9 windows plugin working in the linux version Firefox
[03:34] <Linux_Galore> yep I got it working
[03:35] <swatgoss> double clic on .exe from macromedia !
[03:35] <Linux_Galore> no use wine
[03:35] <Jucato> :)
[03:35] <swatgoss> bah
[03:36] <Linux_Galore> yeah but flash 7 has audo lag between the voice and video
[03:36] <Jucato> 3-4 years ago, I would have said that "Flash is THE future"
[03:36] <Linux_Galore> audio*
[03:36] <MistaED> linux_galore: how did you get that working? i know crossover can embed quicktime but i was never sure how exactly they did it
[03:36] <swatgoss> any1 of you know a pinmod guide on P4 prescott ?
[03:36] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: crossover can install flash 9 too
[03:36] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: just download the flash 9 exe installer
[03:36] <MistaED> Linux_Galore: cool, can wine do it?
[03:37] <MistaED> ok
[03:37] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: yes it can, bit more complicated though
[03:37] <swatgoss> i got a KDEWallet error ...
[03:37] <swatgoss> i typed a password for Kopete
[03:37] <swatgoss> and it don't recognize it anymore
[03:37] <swatgoss> i used "PACES%" inside ...
[03:37] <swatgoss> SPACES
[03:37] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: I also found with youtube you have to run at least one video with the flash 7 plugin then install the wine plugin for flash 9 and it works
[03:38] <Jucato> swatgoss: which password is it asking for? for the password to your wallet or for Kopete (if you set it not to remember passwords)
[03:38] <swatgoss> Jucato i want to connect to a protocol, it ask me to open a wallet or something
[03:39] <swatgoss> i don't know how to say it in english
[03:39] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: if you try and go straight to youtube with flash 9 setup it wont let you play anything
[03:39] <swatgoss> Jucato the password that protect my account password :p
[03:39] <Jucato> swatgoss: it's a password for your wallet, which holds the passwords for other stuff that you might have added
[03:39] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: you forget the kwallet apssword ??
[03:40] <Linux_Galore> password*
[03:40] <swatgoss> not really
[03:40] <swatgoss> i can't type it again ...
[03:40] <swatgoss> cuz i used spaces
[03:40] <swatgoss> it shoed me *
[03:40] <swatgoss> but now when i retype spaces
[03:40] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: ?? spaces, no one uses spaces
[03:40] <swatgoss> error -9 if i'm right
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: have to remove the kwallet setup file
[03:41] <momal> are there any reps that have the k8-smp kernel's in them? because no matter what i do they never show up >_<
[03:41] <swatgoss> how can i reset
[03:41] <swatgoss> but i didnt find it ... u know where it is ?
[03:42] <swatgoss> momal do K8-smp exist ?
[03:42] <momal> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/dapper/allpackages | according to that it does
[03:42] <momal> but still wont show in adept
[03:42] <swatgoss> O_o
[03:43] <momal> linux-amd64-k8-smp (2.6.15.25) [restricted]  [security]  Complete Linux kernel on AMD K8 SMP | thats what some site told me i should use for amd x2
[03:43] <Galathalion> can anyone help me install flashplug-ind for firefox?
[03:44] <peter_> is er iemand die nederlands kan lullen?
[03:45] <swatgoss> Linux_Galore u know where kwallet setup file is ?
[03:45] <swatgoss> or just the command to run KDEWallet
[03:45] <swatgoss> i will suppress account
[03:45] <MistaED> Linux_Galore: ok done, so now do i just uninstall the linux flash player 7 so firefox picks the wine flash 9?
[03:45] <swatgoss> and create another
[03:46] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: you install flash 7 first then go to youtube
[03:46] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: your after the cookie
[03:46] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: run a video
[03:46] <MistaED> done
[03:46] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: then install the flash 9 exe installer
[03:47] <Linux_Galore> codeweavers is the easy option
[03:47] <MistaED> yep i used crossover office 5
[03:47] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: that it once codeweavers has installed it just make sure the plugin is ticked in the plugins tab and your off
[03:48] <swatgoss> i used sudo apt-get install java5-bin java5-jdk, will it be enough ?
[03:48] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: when you go to you tube it plays flash videos with flash 9 without the audio lag
[03:49] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: you have to do it in that order or it doesnt work
[03:49] <MistaED> Linux_Galore: sure, so now do i restart firefox?
[03:49] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: yep
[03:49] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: should now start using the flash 9 plugin
[03:50] <MistaED> Linux_Galore: success! cheers man
[03:50] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: youtube thinks you have a working flash setup because the cookie says so and it works
[03:51] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: I show the other Linux geeks flash 9 running in firefox and there stunned lol
[03:52] <swatgoss> hummm ...
[03:52] <swatgoss> java help ?
[03:52] <MistaED> Linux_Galore: i was just trying to find out how to do this the other day but i totally missed crossover having flash listed in there :P
[03:52] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss:  remove ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl
[03:52] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: should reset the password
[03:52] <swatgoss> and what is the command to RUN kdewallet ?
[03:52] <en1gma> sup all
[03:53] <MistaED> Linux_Galore: hmm, with crossover it defaults to oss, could i just type in alsa there to use alsa or is it something else?
[03:53] <swatgoss> should try tu delete account
[03:53] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: yeah but there is a method to the madness, if you dont do it in the correct order it doesnt work properly
[03:53] <MistaED> i know wine runs a whole lot better using alsa
[03:53] <swatgoss> before trying brutal deletion :p
[03:53] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: you have to visti all the sites with flash 7 first then install the flash 9 plugin
[03:55] <momal> anyone know the rep to add for: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/base/linux-amd64-k8-smp
[03:55] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss:  mv .kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl .kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl_bak
[03:55] <Kiongku> mv is like cut?
[03:55] <MistaED> Linux_Galore: you know the sound option in crossover has it defaulted to oss? that's causing it to have crap sound for me
[03:55] <omar> hola a todos, tengo un pequeo problemita , tengo archivos con  y con tilde y se muestran simbolos en vez de eso, los nuevos archivos estan bien y se graban normal, ademas mi teclado no muestra tildes,  si.que puedo hacer
[03:56] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: I set it to alsa
[03:56] <MistaED> just sticking alsa in there doesn't seem to work, not sure what to put in there, i use 5.0.0
[03:56] <Linux_Galore> MistaED: works fine then
[03:56] <Kiongku> !es
[03:56] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:56] <MistaED> hmm
[03:56] <omar> sorry wrong language
[03:56] <omar> :)
[03:56] <swatgoss> Linux_Galore ok, will do it later, but now i got a bigger problem with sun-java-jre ...
[03:56] <Kiongku> lol
[03:56] <gubatron_> omar says he has files with weird the enhie character and he gets symbols
[03:56] <Kiongku> may be i should learn es..
[03:57] <swatgoss> Linux_Galore u know how to delete undeletable installed packages ?
[03:57] <omar> gubatron: thanx buddy
[03:57] <en1gma> ok guys: idk if you rem me BUT i have a big problem. im the guy that can not get any linux installed with this newer rig..i think i got it down to 3 distros (kanotix, kubuntu and gentoo)
[03:57] <swatgoss> can't with apt-get or with ADEPT
[03:57] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: two step just get adept to install the packages and then run sudo update-alternatives --config java
[03:57] <Kiongku> en1gma: hmm?
[03:57] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: you dont have the repo's setup then if you cant see it
[03:58] <en1gma> i have an NF4 mb that has onboard nvraid (fake raid) 4 sata drives in a raid 0 array that has 2 partitions. (1 for windows (ntfs) and 1 for future linux)
[03:58] <en1gma> will kanotix see my hd upon a fresh install
[03:58] <en1gma> or kubuntu
[03:58] <en1gma> or gentoo
[03:58] <swatgoss> Linux_Galore i got the repos, i just installed it with apt-get, but now i wanna delete them :p
[03:58] <Kiongku> lol (fake raid) ..
[03:58] <en1gma> what do i have to do to get this working
[03:58] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: adept can remove and install
[03:58] <swatgoss> Linux_Galore really stupid, but they are i386 and i got a i586 version ...
[03:58] <en1gma> at this point i dont even care what distro works i just want one that "DOES" work
[03:59] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: shouldnt matter
[03:59] <swatgoss> Linux_Galore i know but now he don't want to remove :p
[03:59] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: did you run sudo update-alternatives --config java
[03:59] <swatgoss> don't think
[03:59] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: installing the packages doesnt setup java that command does
[03:59] <en1gma> so if someone could help you will have my ex-wife lick your nut sack
[03:59] <en1gma> you = me
[03:59] <en1gma> you = i
[04:00] <en1gma> i just waking up
[04:00] <en1gma> shes good looking to
[04:00] <swatgoss> permission denied on option 3
[04:01] <swatgoss> with update alternative
[04:01] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: means you dont have it installed
[04:01] <en1gma> she has herpes so idk
[04:01] <swatgoss> just run apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[04:02] <swatgoss> and now update alternative, option 3
[04:02] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: thats jre
[04:02] <en1gma> come on guys let me help you help me get this installed and be done
[04:02] <swatgoss> exactly i ran sun-java5-bin and sun-java5-jdk
[04:02] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: go into adept and type in java
[04:02] <swatgoss> i miss something ?
[04:02] <en1gma> got to hurry though cause i gonna wake and bake soon
[04:02] <swatgoss> did it
[04:02] <momal> garr this sucks they have packages that you can't even get through repos or wont even freeken show them GARRR
[04:02] <momal> and im sick to death of windows so i aint going back
[04:02] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: do not use Adept to install sun-java5 packages
[04:03] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: down the bottom of the list install all the 1.5 java stuff
[04:03] <mrbrdo> hi
[04:03] <flavio> oi
[04:03] <swatgoss> it tells me i got 4 java installed bin demo jdk jre
[04:03] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: works fine if you read the version info
[04:03] <en1gma> wake and bake = get wasted so hurry up
[04:03] <mrbrdo> when i try to do aptitude install linux-686, it wants to install "linux-image-2.6.15-23-686", but 2.6.15.27 is already available :S
[04:03] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: just because some idiots dont read the info doesnt mean it doesnt work
[04:03] <Kiongku> Jucato: yo
[04:04] <en1gma> for the love of god someone help[
[04:04] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: you won't be able to accept the License Agreement in Adept, right?
[04:04] <Jucato> Kiongku: hi
[04:04] <swatgoss> Linux_Galore the one i don't got are source plugin fonts doc
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yes you can when it installs click on details
[04:04] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: it doesn't work. it's a bug in Adept
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: it shows the license approval
[04:04] <mrbrdo> can someone explain why linux-686 includes 2.6.15-23 instead of 2.6.15-27?
[04:05] <Jucato> it just shows, but it won't be able to accept it or anything
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: it works, "if you click on details in the install window"
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: what happens people dont click on details and thus miss the license section
[04:05] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: I know that it shows, but you won't be able to user cursor keys to accept the license
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: worked fine for me
[04:05] <mrbrdo> there seems to be no -27 restricted modules.. how so?
[04:06] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: are you sure it was sun-java5-* ?
[04:06] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yep
[04:06] <swatgoss> Jucato Linux_Galore I install every java5-XXX ?
[04:06] <momal> yea doesn't seem to be any amd k8 kernels either even though its listed in the packages on the website >_>
[04:06] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: no just the 1.5 stuff towards the end
[04:07] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: dunno, it never worked for anyone except you it seems
[04:07] <mrbrdo> anyone?
[04:07] <mrbrdo> 2.6.15-27 restriced modules not available.. why?
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: worked for me 46 times in a row on different machines
[04:07] <Jucato> mrbrdo: make sure that the "restricted" component of "dapper-security" is enabled or is present
[04:08] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: then again I install the java fonts stuff
[04:08] <mrbrdo> Jucato: apt-cache shows them for 2.6.15-23 though :S
[04:08] <pussfeller> for some reason, I am getting double clicks in kde when I click once
[04:08] <pussfeller> this is driving me nuts
[04:08] <jasondotgnu> Hi, is there something wrong with the alsa dirver (libasound) in current dapper repos?
[04:08] <en1gma> can someone help pretty please
[04:08] <Jucato> mrbrdo: like I said, make sure that "restricted" is enabled in dapper-security
[04:08] <swatgoss> Jucato Linux_Galore i got only 8 sun-java5-*** jdk/jre/demo/bin are installed and source/plugins/font/doc arent
[04:08] <en1gma> i would rally like to get any distro installed
[04:08] <jasondotgnu> alsamixer: relocation error: alsamixer: symbol snd_mixer_selem_get_playback_dB, version ALSA_0.9 not defined in file libasound.so.2 with link time reference
[04:09] <jasondotgnu> I just got this message, and my sound card doesn't work at all.
[04:09] <en1gma> please please please please
[04:09] <Jucato> pussfeller: KDE is set to single click by default. meaning single click = double click
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: make sure you click on details when it installs or you can accept the license
[04:09] <en1gma> please please please
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> cant*
[04:09] <en1gma> why
[04:09] <mrbrdo> Jucato:  should i change deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main to deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted ?
[04:09] <Jucato> mrbrdo: yes
[04:09] <swatgoss> Linux_Galore i need them ALL ?
[04:09] <mrbrdo> and do i need to make the same for dapper-security universe?
[04:10] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: not really i just cant remember the file names of the top of my head
[04:10] <momal> Jucato: thats what I have already yet doesn't show the k8 kernels when it has the package listed on there site :S
[04:10] <Jucato> mrbrdo: no. only for main
[04:10] <ikam> hello on kopete workin webcam on live dc?
[04:10] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: the 1.5 stuff is all bunched together
[04:10] <mrbrdo> Jucato: ok thanks
[04:10] <swatgoss> Linux_Galore O_o i don't see a licence in details ...
[04:11] <swatgoss> ok will see for 1.5
[04:11] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: its towards the botom when you search for java
[04:12] <swatgoss> Linux_Galore at the bottom i only got java5 stuff
[04:12] <swatgoss> no 1.5 ...
[04:12] <swatgoss> normally its the same thing ...
[04:12] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: hold on
[04:12] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: let me swap machines
[04:13] <swatgoss> Linux_Galore its ok
[04:13] <swatgoss> i removed all i needed to ...
[04:13] <swatgoss> thx :p
[04:13] <swatgoss> was a problem with dependencies
[04:13] <swatgoss> need every java components to delete them
[04:13] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: aah
[04:14] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: yeah I deleted all the 1.4 stuff
[04:14] <swatgoss> now i can try to install the .bin with my CD :p
[04:14] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: and the gnu stuff
[04:15] <swatgoss> next step ... using a .bin to install java stuff ... when i see how i noobed with adept ^^'
[04:15] <swatgoss> i'm scared
[04:16] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: yeah I basically install all the sun-java5 packages incuding the fonts
[04:16] <zaggynl> Hrm, does anyone know why Ktorrent 2.02 occasionally uses 100% cpu for periods of time?
[04:16] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: from memory I did the fonts first
[04:16] <Linux_Galore> gnomefreak: yeah install the wrong crappy version for me
[04:17] <gnomefreak> Linux_Galore: easy way just install sun-java5-plugin   it grabs font packages -bin -jre
[04:17] <swatgoss> i won't have the latest version, but will contain exemples from my book ...
[04:17] <gnomefreak> Linux_Galore: wrong crappy version?
[04:17] <Linux_Galore> gnomefreak: went and installed the 1.4 version
[04:17] <gnomefreak> ah
[04:17] <Linux_Galore> god knows why
[04:18] <Linux_Galore> had to remove it then install the sun-java5 version
[04:18] <gnomefreak> if anyone does locate java  with java installed you will see 1.4
[04:20] <momal> does anyone here have an amd 64? if so what kernel arch do you use ?
[04:20] <Linux_Galore> gnomefreak: or just type java -version
[04:20] <swatgoss> new issue ... got a "jdk-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin" and i never compiled anything before ...
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> momal,  i use the 686 kernel
[04:20] <swatgoss> Fougasse time !!!
[04:20] <Linux_Galore> weird mandriva has a newer version of java than kubuntu
[04:20] <gnomefreak> Linux_Galore: to change java -version  use sudo update-alternatives --config java
[04:21] <Linux_Galore> gnomefreak: I know that
[04:21] <Linux_Galore> gnomefreak: I posted that same line 15 minutes ago
[04:21] <momal> Dr_willis: even for amd64?
[04:22] <Dr_Willis> momal,  I dont use the 64bit distro.. so i use the 686 kernel on my 32bit install.
[04:22] <Linux_Galore> same here I use the i686 kernel
[04:23] <Linux_Galore> only down side is I have to manually install nvidia again on each update
[04:23] <swatgoss> Linux_Galore gnomefreak lol :p
[04:25] <Linux_Galore> kubuntu runs very fast on my P4 2.8Ghz machone, with windows its not fast at all
[04:25] <momal> Linux_galore: that wont be a prob for me since i wont update that often but right now I have to reinstall the nvidia drivers every time i reboot the damn box
[04:25] <Linux_Galore> momal: should read the logs see whats stuffing up
[04:26] <Linux_Galore> momal:  under /var/logs
[04:26] <momal> they dont' say anything.. its just each time i reboot and check what X has to say when i goto manual start it says about api mismatch between nvidia kernel and X module
[04:28] <Linux_Galore> momal: install an older version of the nvidia driver
[04:28] <momal> tried that does same thing
[04:28] <Linux_Galore> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7676-pkg1.run
[04:29] <Linux_Galore> is what I use, works fine
[04:29] <fraco> momal: sorry for jumping in this, sounds like the issue with the kernel modules update problem ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=257459)?
[04:30] <momal> Linux_Galore: thats bit old will that support my GR7800gt?
[04:30] <momal> GF7800gt**
[04:30] <Linux_Galore> momal: I have a GF4
[04:30] <momal> fraco: going to look at that link now
[04:30] <Linux_Galore> momal: you need a 8*** series driver
[04:31] <Linux_Galore> momal: read the link
[04:32] <momal> nope thats not the prob im having :S
[04:32] <fraco> ok sorry then
[04:32] <en1gma> can someone help me
[04:33] <en1gma> please
[04:33] <swatgoss> expose problem :p
[04:33] <swatgoss> (s) ?
[04:33] <momal> its fine anyone trying to help i give thanks to lol... my prob is | I start up the box it freezes on kubuntu loading screen and X doesn't start. I install nvidia drivers from console. restart X and kdm all works fine. I reboot and have to do it all over again.|
[04:33] <Linux_Galore> momal: if you change the driver in xorg.conf to nv does it work fine
[04:34] <en1gma> i have NF4 mboard that has onboard nvraid (fake raid/software raid) my 4 sata drives are in a raid0 array. i have 2 partitions on em (1 for windows and 1 for future install of linux)
[04:34] <en1gma> how do i install
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> en1gma,  install what?
[04:34] <en1gma> kubuntu
[04:34] <swatgoss> linux ? :p
[04:34] <en1gma> anything
[04:34] <en1gma> idk as long as its linux (well not redhat FC)
[04:34] <momal> he is having troubl einstalling linux but hasn't said what errors he gets or that lol
[04:34] <swatgoss> do u tested ubiquity detection ?
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> i wouldent be using the fakeraid stuff.
[04:35] <en1gma> it dont see the array
[04:35] <momal> Linux_Galore: umm will try that once the 686 kernel has downloaded going to try it if still can't get stuff to work
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> set up some of them for windows.. and leave a single HD just for linux.
[04:35] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss:  edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file  look for a line with Driver "nvidia"     change it to "nv"
[04:35] <en1gma> i have no choice it is the hardware i have
[04:35] <swatgoss> hum
[04:35] <en1gma> im not breaking the array up
[04:35] <swatgoss> i got a Radeon mobility :p
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> en1gma,  not sure  how well supported the nvraid  is.
[04:36] <en1gma> well i prey to god someone can help...cause i like linux been using slackware for long time now
[04:36] <Dr_Willis> i know my onboard raid was more hassle then its worth.
[04:36] <swatgoss> do the RAID is on a ddicated controller ?
[04:36] <en1gma> but im ready to switch distro if i cant install it
[04:36] <Dr_Willis> You got slackware installed on that system? or have?
[04:36] <en1gma> the raid is on an nvidia radi controller (on board)
[04:36] <Dr_Willis> or any othe rdisrto?
[04:36] <en1gma> i cant install any linux right now
[04:36] <swatgoss> Silicon Image ?
[04:36] <en1gma> nothing sees the array
[04:36] <en1gma> nvraid
[04:36] <swatgoss> the chip
[04:36] <Linux_Galore> swatgoss: I have some problems with nvidia last week, turned out I had the wrong version of the linux kernel drivers for the kernel
[04:36] <en1gma> the chip is called nvraid
[04:37] <swatgoss> Linux_Galore I DON T HAVE PROBLEmE
[04:37] <swatgoss> Linux_Galore with nvidia :p
[04:37] <momal> lol!
[04:37] <mrbrdo> when i run aptitude update, i get "The following packages have been kept back:" then a list of 30+ packages.. why are they kept back and how to update them anyhow?
[04:37] <swatgoss> Linux_Galore say it to momal
[04:37] <Dr_Willis> en1gma,  i would say check the ubuntu forums/wiki page - see if others are using a similer setup and what they had to do.
[04:37] <en1gma> amng
[04:37] <Linux_Galore> momal : I have some problems with nvidia last week, turned out I had the wrong version of the linux kernel drivers for the kernel
[04:37] <Linux_Galore> heh heh
[04:37] <swatgoss> Linux_Galore i got a Radeon Mobility 9200 ... and no problem with my 6600GT AGP on my desk PC
[04:37] <Linux_Galore> time for bed
[04:37] <en1gma> does the newest amd64 version have DM built in
[04:38] <en1gma> and dmraid on the dvd
[04:38] <swatgoss> 4:38pm here :p good time for bed too ! ^^
[04:38] <en1gma> if dand FC5 can do it there has to be away to do it to a good distro
[04:39] <mrbrdo> when i run aptitude update, i get "The following packages have been kept back:" then a list of 30+ packages.. why are they kept back and how to update them anyhow?
[04:39] <mrbrdo> upgrade, sorry
[04:39] <mrbrdo> not update
[04:39] <en1gma> FC5 can do it other distros can to right?
[04:39] <Jucato> mrbrdo: were you able to find the linux-restricted-modules you were looking for?
[04:39] <mrbrdo> Jucato: yeah i got that sorted out
[04:40] <mrbrdo> Jucato: i added a few more repos now, and now all those packages are kept back, dunno why
[04:40] <Jucato> what repos did you add?
[04:40] <Linux_Galore> en1gma: yes there is dmraid
[04:40] <fraco> mrbrdo: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69
[04:40] <en1gma> there is?
[04:40] <fraco> try apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:40] <en1gma> do you think it will pick my drives up?
[04:40] <mrbrdo> Jucato: if i try with adept-update though, it does say upgrade, but it wants to install some packages which i don't know why (xmms, don't have it now, some like that too)
[04:40] <Linux_Galore> en1gma: you can see the answers to your questions on the ubuntu home page
[04:40] <en1gma> k 1 sec
[04:40] <Jucato> mrbrdo: what repos did you add?
[04:41] <Linux_Galore> en1gma: http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=dmraid&version=dapper&arch=amd64'
[04:41] <momal> pc booted up fine just now with bad drivers >_<
[04:41] <Linux_Galore> en1gma: remove the comma on the end of that url
[04:41] <momal> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/dapper/base/linux-image-2.6.15-26-amd64-k8 | that is it possible to get that using apt-get? because it wont show and im pretty sure i have the rep for it.
[04:42] <en1gma> Linux_Galore what am i looking for on the home page
[04:42] <Linux_Galore> en1gma: http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=dmraid&version=dapper&arch=amd64
[04:42] <Linux_Galore> klick on the link
[04:42] <Linux_Galore> heh heh
[04:43] <en1gma> Linux_Galore does it auto setup the scripts so it will see the drive upon install or is there somewhere between installing and computer being off that i can make adjustments
[04:45] <en1gma> ?
[04:46] <en1gma> netsplit?
[04:47] <momal> garr this sucks im going to bed 12:46am... maybe i can think a bit more in the morning to figure this crap out so much for changing to a gf7800gt, amdx2 4200 and 2gb and doesn't even work properly >_<
[04:47] <TheGateKeeper> just done an update and get this error with Flash install ----> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24389  is there a way to reinstall the previous version?
[04:47] <mrbrdo> Jucato: sry, didn't notice before.. i added some more using www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[04:47] <en1gma> Linux_Galore where are you
[04:49] <SillyZ> gmorning
[04:49] <Jucato> mrbrdo: I'm guessing you probably added the "Kubuntu.org packages for the latest KDE version"?
[04:50] <fildo> Jucato: hey mate you alive?
[04:51] <Jucato> yep.. still alive
[04:52] <fildo> i have a tuff issue
[04:53] <fildo> n wondering if you could give me ur opinion
[04:53] <josh_> what up people.... how do i delete the command history?
[04:54] <swatgoss> CTRL+ALT+BackSpace ?
[04:54] <fildo> hehe ok, well i have been donated a 733, so i rebuilt it n installed dapper
[04:54] <Dink> .bashhistory maybe ?
[04:54] <josh_> no like the bash command line lhistory
[04:54] <Dink> .bash_history maybe ?
[04:54] <fildo> but when i boot i get this error  "bug: soft lockup detected on CPU#0" >
[04:54] <Jucato> fildo: tuff.. I have no idea.. :(
[04:55] <fildo> yeh
[04:55] <fildo> i have 3 alternate cpu's
[04:55] <Dink> josh, .bash_history
[04:55] <fildo> i have changed them, still error
[04:55] <fildo> googled, n they reckons its some interupt issue
[04:55] <fildo> but i got no idea ..
[04:56] <Jucato> josh_: "history -c"
[04:57] <swatgoss> how to install a .bin jdk pack ?
[04:58] <Dink> josh_, if you want to remove it compeltly and forever... ln -s /dev/null ~/.bash_history
[04:59] <swatgoss> sudo rm -R / ?
[04:59] <swatgoss> will remove history too :p
[04:59] <v3ctor> commands like those are not for joking
[04:59] <josh_> yeah along with the system
[04:59] <swatgoss> will it really work ?
[05:00] <josh_> try it and see
[05:00] <swatgoss> no security ?
[05:00] <Jucato> clear bash history = "history -c"
[05:00] <josh_> Jucato: tried that... didn't work... so i just rm'ed the file
[05:00] <Jucato> strange... it worked here...
[05:01] <josh_> it just showed me the history starting with line 9
[05:01] <Jucato> huh??
[05:01] <josh_> lol
[05:01] <Jucato> history -c ???
[05:02] <josh_> ill show you the output of history -c
[05:02] <Jucato> no quotes
[05:02] <Jucato> nvm...
[05:02] <swatgoss> ... bad question: do you prefer "luck a dick" or "lick a duck" ?
[05:02] <Dink> josh_ do what I typed and it will remove it forever :s
[05:02] <Dink> and never get history again
[05:03] <josh_> nah i still want history just want to clean it up alittle
[05:03] <Dink> edit the file :p
[05:03] <josh_> make it easier for me to find the commands i use
[05:03] <josh_> :)
[05:03] <swatgoss> speaking about remove, rm have an "security rewrite" option ?
[05:03] <josh_> its not rewrite
[05:04] <josh_> its remove
[05:04] <josh_> and yes
[05:04] <josh_> if you use the -f switch it wont ask
[05:04] <josh_> if you leave out the -f then it will ask you about everyfile you are about to delete
[05:05] <josh_> hey
[05:05] <josh_> does ubuntu support direct frame buffer yet?
[05:05] <josh_> i wana get quingy working but so far i haven't been able to get directfb installed
[05:05] <swatgoss> uh O_o i was thinking about a secure erasing
[05:05] <swatgoss> OS write random data on erased file location
[05:06] <swatgoss> or something like that
[05:06] <josh_> not that i am aware of
[05:06] <v3ctor> swatgoss: there are tools for that
[05:06] <josh_> im sure some application out there can do it
[05:06] <josh_> but its not build into the os
[05:06] <v3ctor> wipe and srm do secure rm
[05:06] <swatgoss> v3ctor yep but wondering if one of them was "inside" the kernel
[05:06] <TheGateKeeper> anyone know who to install a previous version of something after an update?
[05:07] <v3ctor> swatgoss: no
[05:07] <josh_> TheGateKeeper: look in your dpkg folder and see if you still have the original
[05:07] <josh_> im not aware of linux having a "rollback" option
[05:07] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: flashplugin-nonfree?
[05:07] <josh_> lol Jucato that happen alot here?
[05:08] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: yep
[05:08] <Jucato> yes, bugged update in dapper-backports
[05:08] <josh_> either that or your psychic :P either way... whats up my new best friend
[05:08] <josh_> lol
[05:08] <Jucato> You can downgrade to the earlier dapper version, but chances are Flash won't work
[05:09] <Jucato> so I was told to download and install the .deb package from Edgy
[05:09] <josh_> why not just have the browser do it? just have him get the plugin from mozilla
[05:09] <Jucato> josh_: because it doesn't work that way in Linux
[05:10] <josh_> sure it does... have him go to a site with flash, it will ask about installing missing stuff... do a manual install
[05:10] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: if you really need flash now, download the deb from one of these mirrors: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmultiverse%2Ff%2Fflashplugin-nonfree%2Fflashplugin-nonfree_7.0.68~ubuntu2_i386.deb&md5sum=c464e3e4d41a9305481a7d5574dcdb0d&arch=i386&type=main
[05:10] <Jucato> josh_: 100% sure about that?
[05:10] <josh_> not really :)
[05:10] <josh_> ;P
[05:11] <josh_> but it worked for me if i recall correctly
[05:11] <josh_> i have flash on mine....
[05:11] <Jucato> josh_: used something like Automatix?
[05:11] <josh_> eww... no
[05:11] <josh_> lol i heard bad things baout that one
[05:11] <josh_> security issues and such
[05:11] <Jucato> because I'm sure as hell that Flash can't be installed that way
[05:12] <josh_> really...
[05:12] <josh_> now i have to check
[05:12] <Jucato> probably on wine yes, but not in native Linux
[05:12] <josh_> whats a site with flash? www.flash.com?
[05:12] <Jucato> newgrounds.com, youtube,
[05:13] <nenad__> #neno
[05:13] <josh_> going to youtube
[05:14] <mrbrdo> when i do aptitude upgrade, it says that amarok and amarok-xine will be kept back.. when i try in adept-update, and request upgrade, it says BREAK (upgrade) under Requested
[05:14] <josh_> mrbrdo: i am having same problem it seems :)
[05:14] <mrbrdo> is it possible the package is broken?
[05:14] <Jucato> ugh.... source-o-matic....
[05:15] <mrbrdo> i used source-o-matic
[05:15] <josh_> i think it might have to be that the security code changed or the repo addy is now incorect
[05:15] <TheGateKeeper> thanx Jucato :-) can you please remind me the command to install it, failing memory grrr
[05:15] <josh_> lol yep Jucato
[05:15] <josh_> sudo dpkg -i file
[05:15] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: sudo dpkg -i <.deb name>
[05:15] <mrbrdo> Jucato: i think this was written out before i added the source-o-matic sources.list though
[05:16] <mrbrdo> Jucato: i mean, it didn't want to update those packages before either
[05:16] <josh_> youtube aint loading for me.... :( like the site is busy or something... ill try newground
[05:16] <TheGateKeeper> thanx Jucato :-) I am getting old & irritating :-)
[05:17] <mrbrdo> and why does adept-update want to install "libgpod0, libifp4, libsdl1.2debian, libsdl1.2debian-alsa, python-qt3", but APT-GET\Aptitude don't mention these packages at all
[05:17] <josh_> newground.com? or newgrounds.com?
[05:17] <wedgeV> why do i always get a bunch of 404 http errors when updating with aptitude? is my mirror syncing to slow?
[05:17] <mrbrdo> wedgeV: i think u have an error in sources.list
[05:17] <wedgeV> actually, not _my_ mirror, but at.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:18] <visik7> I wonder how kubuntu reach a stable version in a month from now
[05:18] <mrbrdo> visik7: u mean edgy?
[05:18] <wedgeV> mrbrdo: well it works, it just doesnt work for some packages, when i wait a day, the packages download fine
[05:18] <josh_> my flash works...
[05:18] <visik7> mrbrdo: yes
[05:18] <visik7> mrbrdo: I've installed knot3
[05:18] <visik7> I know is "alpha stage"
[05:18] <wedgeV> must be that the mirror is updating their package list before they even have the new packages
[05:18] <mrbrdo> wedgeV: try a different mirror from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[05:19] <wedgeV> thanks
[05:19] <mrbrdo> np, just change the urls at.archive.ubuntu.com to the mirror url u choose
[05:19] <visik7> but from here to a stable product there is a long way
[05:19] <mrbrdo> leave secruity.ubuntu alone..
[05:19] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: hay I found 'install' on the konqueror right hand click menu, wooow I can be a real lazy pig now :-)
[05:19] <mrbrdo> Jucato: and why does adept-update want to install "libgpod0, libifp4, libsdl1.2debian, libsdl1.2debian-alsa, python-qt3", but APT-GET\Aptitude don't mention these packages at all
[05:21] <mrbrdo> brb
[05:21] <nenad__> ik
[05:21] <josh_> ok correction it wasn't working
[05:21] <nenad__> #neno
[05:22] <josh_> and all i did was download the linux package from flash and then ran their installer
[05:22] <josh_> now i have flash
[05:25] <mrbrdo> so, why does adept-update want to install those packages? any ideas?
[05:25] <Jucato> because that's part of updating
[05:25] <mrbrdo> but apt-get doesn't say anything about those packages
[05:25] <Jucato> I mean upgrading
[05:26] <wedgeV> mrbrdo: maybe they are suggested?
[05:26] <mrbrdo> apart from amok and amok-xine, apt-get says i am up-to-date
[05:26] <mrbrdo> wedgeV: dunno, apt-get doesn't say anything about them
[05:27] <wedgeV> aptitude always shows a list of packages that are suggested to be installed, maybe adept install them by default?
[05:27] <wedgeV> just a guess
[05:27] <mrbrdo> well, aptitude shows when u install something
[05:27] <mrbrdo> not AFTER
[05:28] <mrbrdo> it doesn't keep saying x was recommended for y
[05:32] <trappist> what's a really lightweight audio player I can associate with .wavs so I can listen to my voip voicemail from kmail?  right now I'm using mplayer, but that doesn't give me control to adjust volume, pause, stop etc.
[05:34] <mrbrdo> when i start downloading a package by aptitude, and cancel it in the middle, i can resume it later.. how to clean such partially-downloaded packages
[05:34] <wedgeV> mrbrdo: /var/cache/apt/packages
[05:34] <trappist> mrbrdo: sudo apt-get clean (that will also clean out completely downloaded package files that have been installed
[05:35] <wedgeV> oh, ok
[05:35] <trappist> "kaboodle" was the answer to my question.
[05:36] <trappist> kaboodle - light, embedded media player for KDE
[05:36] <trappist> I love there to always be an asnwer
[05:36] <trappist> *answer
[05:37] <trappist> can't change volume from kaboodle, but there's about 10 other places I can click to do that
[05:38] <mrbrdo> trappist: thx
[05:38] <Kennie> lo, I've installed ipw3945 and it runs (ps aux | grep ipw return 2 daemons..) but it seems kubuntu still doesnt find my networkcard on newest kernel (2.6.15-26) any suggestions?
[05:39] <h3sp4wn> mrbrdo: sudo apt-get autoclean (will clean all packages except that latest ones)
[05:39] <trappist> Kennie: is that like the next generation of the ipw2200?
[05:39] <trappist> Kennie: if so, it could be that the 2.6.15 kernel doesn't support it
[05:39] <mrbrdo> hm, after updating the kernel, my sound doesn't work anymore (on either of my sound cards) :/
[05:40] <Kennie> I've got a Dell 6400 and google says thats the one I need
[05:40] <host-one> hi
[05:40] <mrbrdo> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[05:40] <mrbrdo> aplay -l does list them
[05:40] <trappist> mrbrdo: what does asoundconf list say?
[05:41] <mrbrdo> displays usage parameters? :P
[05:41] <host-one> what's the best and fast Sorting algorithm?
[05:41] <trappist> mrbrdo: are you on dapper?
[05:41] <mrbrdo> it lists modem,V8235
[05:41] <mrbrdo> trappist: yes
[05:41] <mrbrdo> it doesn't list my usb card
[05:41] <trappist> mrbrdo: and you said "asoundconf list"?
[05:41] <mrbrdo> but it does list my integrated card
[05:41] <mrbrdo> yep
[05:41] <trappist> oh usb
[05:41] <trappist> I don't know anything about that
[05:42] <mrbrdo> but i have a normal one too
[05:42] <wedgeV> quicksort is fast
[05:42] <mrbrdo> and it doesn't work on that either
[05:42] <trappist> host-one: if there was such a thing, it would be the only sorting algorithm.
[05:42] <mrbrdo> asoundconf is-active displays nothing
[05:44] <host-one> trappist : and what's your favourite sorting algorithm :P
[05:44] <judibet> Bonjour tout le monde !
[05:44] <judibet> Hi everybody!!
[05:44] <host-one> judibet: only english
[05:44] <trappist> host-one: whichever one ruby uses for .sort :)
[05:44] <judibet> It's the same! :p
[05:44] <Jonty> How do I change my display manager
[05:45] <h3sp4wn> Jonty: depends which one you want to change to
[05:45] <wedgeV> host-one: quicksort
[05:45] <trappist> mrbrdo: try "asoundconf set-default-card $(asoundconf list | tail -n1)"
[05:45] <trappist> Jonty: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[05:46] <trappist> Jonty: that will let you choose from the list of installed *dms
[05:46] <wedgeV> host-one: mergesort is also fine for the average case
[05:46] <Jonty> Yeah, I want to change it to KDM, sorry
[05:47] <Jonty> Ah, that's great, thanks, trappist
[05:51] <Electrolyte> Is there an IRC channel for Konversation? I've got a really annoying problem with it :/
[05:51] <fildo> hey guys where are ksplashscreen kept ?
[05:52] <trappist> Electrolyte: you could try #konversation, and there's a #kde, but this is probably a good place to start
[05:52] <Electrolyte> Well, the problem is with Konversation it's self - on any message, if Konversation isn't the active window, it flashes the task bar.
[05:52] <Electrolyte> I've not enabled anything for it to do that :/
[05:53] <trappist> Electrolyte: you can change the global behavior of items in the taskbar, but I don't know whether konversation has a particular setting for it
[05:53] <Electrolyte> Where would the global setting be? It doesn't look like Konversation has it's own.
[05:55] <MidMark> guys, to change the panel look at the bottom in kde what I have to change? window decoration?
[05:55] <trappist> Electrolyte: hrm, can't seem to find it myself
[05:56] <trappist> MidMark: right-click on the panel, configure panel
[05:57] <MidMark> trappist: yes, but how to change to a themed one?
[05:57] <trappist> Electrolyte: are you talking about the system tray icon blinking?
[05:57] <Electrolyte> No.
[05:57] <Electrolyte> The task tray.
[05:57] <morpheus> hi all
[05:58] <MidMark> like this one http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=42545&file1=42545-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Dark+Light.+The+native+KDE+windeco.
[05:59] <Electrolyte> Can't find anything for this.
[05:59] <Electrolyte> And it's bugging me
[06:00] <|lostbyte|> Smart boot manager !!
[06:00] <trappist> Electrolyte: you might try asking in #kde, but I don't see a setting for it either, so the best next step is to file a bug report
[06:00] <Electrolyte> Just fixed it.
[06:00] <|lostbyte|> Any one used it ?
[06:00] <trappist> Electrolyte: hah.  what was it?
[06:00] <abattoir> Electrolyte: you want to remove the tasbar flashing upon an event?
[06:00] <Electrolyte> I simply clicked "Default" in the task bar settings :S
[06:00] <abattoir> Electrolyte: Configure Notifications?
[06:00] <Electrolyte> Even though there's no setting for flashing it.
[06:00] <TunaTom> |lostbyte|: jeah: that's a cool thing.
[06:01] <Electrolyte> abattoir: Not in there - it was KDE's taskbar settings, even though the option wasn't there.
[06:01] <Electrolyte> So strange.
[06:01] <main2> Electrolyte: why dont you use 'amsn' ?
[06:01] <Electrolyte> Don't like it.
[06:01] <|lostbyte|> TunaTom, oh, great. i used it and its cool. But i want to write the menu to MBR. Whats that option called ?
[06:01] <main2> its very similar to msn messenger
[06:01] <Electrolyte> Konversation does it's job, so I'll stick with it.
[06:01] <main2> ahhhh soryr
[06:01] <main2> ...
[06:02] <main2> i was confused with kopete..
[06:02] <Electrolyte> amsn doesn't support multiple protocols the last time I used it.
[06:02] <main2> sorry..
[06:02] <Electrolyte> I use Kopete for 4 IM services too :P
[06:02] <main2> ... kopete = :puke:
[06:02] <Mortice> i use bitlbee for IM :)
[06:02] <main2> even while it supports multiple protocols
[06:02] <Electrolyte> Yeah but it does it's job for the 4 protocols that I need.
[06:02] <main2> i prefer amsn for the chitchat stuff
[06:02] <main2> bitlbee?
[06:02] <Mortice> IM to IRC gateway
[06:02] <Electrolyte> Not had a problem with Kopete, and it has the Trillian Pro smilies.
[06:03] <main2> Electrolyte: i dont give a **** about smilies :X
[06:03] <main2> ;-))
[06:03] <Electrolyte> I do :)
[06:03] <Electrolyte> I had to remove my KVM switch just now since it was causing the white to turn yellow on this machine.
[06:03] <Electrolyte> Now Linux looks better than I first installed it :/
[06:03] <TunaTom> |lostbyte|: I don't think you can do that.
[06:04] <main2> Electrolyte: bad cables i guess?
[06:04] <trappist> Electrolyte: if you want true chat nirvana, identify your favorite irc client, and use bitlbee
[06:04] <Electrolyte> Yeah, so I've thrown it away.
[06:04] <main2> im on a kvm atm (ps2 one :( )
[06:04] <Electrolyte> Nah, I'm fine :P
[06:04] <TunaTom> |lostbyte|: Isn't this thing _just_ a bootdisk?
[06:04] <trappist> Electrolyte: bitlbee is an irc server that connects to your im accounts
[06:04] <main2> so i have one keyboard, and one monitor -> and 2 usb mices
[06:04] <Electrolyte> I'm fine with Konversation and Kopete - I enjoy using them :] 
[06:04] <morpheus> hi all....
[06:04] <main2> Electrolyte: if you ever get a new one, get a usb one..
[06:05] <Electrolyte> I'll get a mains-powered one next.
[06:05] <|lostbyte|> TunaTom, ahh.
[06:05] <trappist> Electrolyte: I prefer having ALL my chat in a single window - a console window, so I can run it in screen and connect to it from anywhere and never close it
[06:05] <|lostbyte|> TunaTom, ok, close call. tx
[06:05] <Mortice> trappist is a (wo)man after my own heart.
[06:05] <TunaTom> |lostbyte|: ok.
[06:05] <Electrolyte> Kopete supports groups any way, but I prefer them being individual windows.
[06:06] <Electrolyte> Oh ok, I *HAVEN'T* fixed that task bar flashing issue :/
[06:06] <Electrolyte> Good god, what the hell caused this
[06:06] <morpheus> i've some problem to configure my ati x700 (on notebook) with kubuntu 6.06
[06:06] <morpheus> someone can help me?
[06:07] <arunkale> hey people.. if i run an application from the konsole, and it starts, if i close the konsole window, the application closes too.. is there any way to get around this?
[06:07] <XTorchedX> what the hell
[06:07] <XTorchedX> this looks just like XP
[06:08] <abattoir> arunkale: one of the options would be to use the KDE Run dialog(Alt+F2)
[06:08] <trappist> arunkale: nohup programname
[06:08] <XTorchedX> <-- noob
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> You booted to the wrong os.
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:08] <XTorchedX> heh
[06:08] <arunkale> trappist: thanks! that worked
[06:08] <Kennie> bah got everything working on kubuntu except stupid wireless :P
[06:08] <XTorchedX> you know that episode of the simpsons where they go to shelbyville
[06:09] <XTorchedX> and everything is just a little bit different
[06:09] <XTorchedX> that's how this kubuntu live cd looks when you come from xp
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> and.. err.. you expected it to be identical?
[06:10] <XTorchedX> no
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> or Radicially different? :P
[06:10] <XTorchedX> i expected it to be foreign
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> why. :P
[06:10] <XTorchedX> and it's good a freaking start bar
[06:10] <fildo> hey guys can anyone tell me where the ksplashscreen are stored ?
[06:10] <XTorchedX> because the last not-windows os i used was freebsd 4 or something
[06:11] <XTorchedX> and i set it up myself
[06:11] <|lostbyte|> Can any one tell me, why this ant possible. "Writing a bootable image to a usb stick" ?
[06:11] <XTorchedX> so it looked like a gaping ass
[06:11] <main2> in what dir is OpenSSL installed ?
[06:11] <TunaTom> fildo: try /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> |lostbyte|,  a bootable cd - has files in a special area, (a boot floppy image) that lets it load. From what ive read on the dsl, and other linux-on-a-usb-stick pages - a similer trick is done with them.
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> and the different usb sticks got different sizes/cyl/sectors info - like hard drives do.
[06:14] <|lostbyte|> Dr_Willis, sepcial area..k, Is there a method you know on how to boot an image from a usb stick ? and yes i have the option in da BIOS.
[06:14] <main2> checking for OpenSSL directory... configure: error: Could not find a linkable OpenSSL. You can specify an explicit path using --with-ssl-dir
[06:14] <main2> what path should i provide?
[06:15] <trappist> |lostbyte|: the boot image has to have support for all the usb filesystem goodness built into the kernel, or into the initrd
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> |lostbyte|,  i had DSL (damn small linux) doing it once. for a Ubuntu Install to a usb device.. theres some other things that need to be done.   the Ubuntu Hacks book had a chapter on that.
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> |lostbyte|,  what exactly are you referingto when you say an 'image;
[06:19] <Kennie> does linux/ubuntu has support for WPA2 yet?
[06:20] <|lostbyte|> Dr_Willis, an image, like an iso or a linux rescue disk image or one of those netboot images.
[06:20] <Kennie> asume as yes :P
[06:20] <|lostbyte|> i was wanting to write them on a usbstick so i can tell it where the iso is. to install.
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen no way to directly copu a .iso image to a usb drive. or hard drive and boot from it.  could be ive just not noticed a way to do it.
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> The iso to usb install's ive seen involove mounting the iso file and copying the files over the the usb stick, then some other tweaks.
[06:21] <swatgoss> 2 questions this time
[06:21] <|lostbyte|> let me check a sec, i seen it some place.. but really didt understand. be right back..
[06:21] <trappist> I would expect something like 'dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sda' to work (where sda is the device of the usb stick)
[06:21] <TunaTom> swatgoss: #1?
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> some live cd's include a 'install to usb stick' feature - ive noticed
[06:21] <swatgoss> how do i compile/install my jdk from the .bin on my CD ...
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> trappist,  ive never seen it done that way.
[06:22] <swatgoss> and 2nd, what is the plugin needed to "activate" msn audio conversation on aMSN/Kopete
[06:22] <|lostbyte|> trappist, yes, i was thinking the same thing. But is that possible ?
[06:22] <TunaTom> swatgoss: sudo sh /path/to/cd/jsdk.12318.bin
[06:22] <trappist> swatgoss: once you set up your repos, you can just sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[06:22] <fildo> TunaTom: thnx
[06:22] <trappist> swatgoss: or -jdk as appropriate
[06:22] <swatgoss> no repos :p
[06:22] <TunaTom> fildo: what didi I do?
[06:22] <trappist> or use make-jpkg on the .bin to turn it into a .deb
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> just booting off a usb hard drive. takes a little work under ubuntu as well.
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> aparently the correct usb modules are not in the default initrd.  ( i recall)
[06:23] <swatgoss> trappist wondering something like that
[06:23] <swatgoss> sudo make-j(d?)pkg jdk1.5.bin
[06:23] <TunaTom> swatgoss: you want it to stay under package management or have it "just installed"?
[06:24] <swatgoss> hummm
[06:24] <swatgoss> don't really think i understand :p
[06:24] <swatgoss> i have a CD with a .bin jdk, ready to compile or something
[06:25] <swatgoss> i will copy it on my hdd
[06:25] <swatgoss> make a .deb or something and install it i thnik (never done it before)
[06:25] <trappist> swatgoss: you would say something like make-jpkg filename.bin
[06:25] <TunaTom> swatgoss: you want to be able to apt-get  remove it?
[06:25] <swatgoss> isn't make-dpkg ?
[06:25] <trappist> swatgoss: ah, here it is: 'fakeroot make-jpkg filename.bin'
[06:25] <trappist> swatgoss: not in this case
[06:26] <trappist> swatgoss: this is a special tool specifically for making java packages
[06:26] <swatgoss> ok, and for apt-get ... don't really matter for me
[06:26] <trappist> why
[06:26] <main2> checking for OpenSSL directory... configure: error: Could not find a linkable OpenSSL. You can specify an explicit path using --with-ssl-dir
[06:26] <main2> what path should i provide?
[06:27] <fildo> hey can u restart samba like this " /etc/init.d/samba restart " ?
[06:27] <h3sp4wn> I thought you used java-package for installing the java jdk or sdk
[06:27] <swatgoss> i don't think i will update the version of my jdk
[06:27] <trappist> h3sp4wn: java-package is the package that contains make-jpkg iirc
[06:27] <h3sp4wn> trappist: Ah right
[06:28] <swatgoss> by default on Kubuntu 6.06 ? (feeling noobish ...)
[06:29] <trappist> main2: /usr/include/openssl if you've installed libssl-dev
[06:29] <italian> i got the flickering tv screen for the ati drivers, anyone know how i can change it to NTSC
[06:29] <trappist> main2: but your configure script should find it, if it's installed
[06:30] <swatgoss> and for MSN audio connection ?
[06:30] <swatgoss> it tells me it needs a plugin
[06:31] <main2> trappist: thanks, im not sure wether its installed..
[06:31] <main2> im trying to install a 'tor-network' client
[06:32] <main2> http://tor.eff.org/
[06:32] <trappist> main2: well, sudo apt-get install libssl-dev ought to do it
[06:33] <main2> configure continues
[06:33] <main2> configure finally finished without probs :D, hopefully compiling goes smoother...
[06:35] <swatgoss> trappist make-jpkg not found
[06:35] <swatgoss> not really surprising :p
[06:35] <trappist> swatgoss: have to install java-package for it
[06:36] <swatgoss> and non java specific command is ?
[06:36] <swatgoss> the .bin is THE JDK, not a java program
[06:36] <main2> i just started 'katapult' but when i press 'alt+enter' the screen goes blank (white screen)
[06:36] <main2> and nothin happens, am i doing something wrong?
[06:37] <Mortice> main2: i thought the default hotkey for katapult was alt-space?
[06:37] <Hawkwind> main2: alt-space
[06:37] <swatgoss> trappist could make-dpkg work ?
[06:37] <trappist> swatgoss: no
[06:37] <trappist> swatgoss: you can just say 'sudo sh filename.bin' and that'll install it.  but make-jpkg is preferred, as it keeps you within the package management system.
[06:38] <swatgoss> ok
[06:38] <swatgoss> but not a problem to don't have control of it under package manager
[06:39] <trappist> swatgoss: the problems that come from stepping outside the package manager aren't obvious.  you should *always* use the package manager when possible.
[06:39] <XTorchedX> someone's trying to send me a file on kopete
[06:39] <XTorchedX> and it's not working
[06:39] <XTorchedX> they're on msn
[06:39] <arunkale> XTorchedX: msn or yahoo
[06:39] <arunkale> okay..
[06:39] <arunkale> XTorchedX: i think kopete has some sort of file size limit
[06:40] <XTorchedX> it's just a jpg
[06:40] <XTorchedX> not an mp3 or anything
[06:40] <swatgoss> trappist yes, i know, but for this its not very important :p do the sh need a path ? or something, i tried the path on my desktop and only the filename and don't work
[06:41] <swatgoss> arunkale don't think so, no limits in Kopete
[06:41] <trappist> swatgoss: my point is that it could become important later.  the problems aren't obvious to you right now.
[06:41] <XTorchedX> all i see is 02:39:24]  - --Incoming file transfer.
[06:41] <XTorchedX> but there's no option to accept it or anything
[06:41] <trappist> XTorchedX: are you behind a firewall, or a linux router?
[06:41] <swatgoss> XTorchedX in normal time it opens an other window
[06:41] <arunkale> XTorchedX: when i started using kopete, i had the same problem, but after a week of using it, it seems to have fixed itself :\
[06:41] <italian> can anybody confirm that these drivers work for dual-screen? > http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[06:42] <swatgoss> arunkale miraculous linux !!! ^^
[06:42] <arunkale> haha
[06:43] <XTorchedX> trappist, unless there are some mega lockdown features in kubuntu, then it shouldn't be a problem
[06:43] <XTorchedX> i mean default
[06:43] <trappist> XTorchedX: there aren't.  I'm asking what's between you and the rest of the world, if anything.  msn file transfers are tricky for linux routing and firewalling to deal with.
[06:44] <XTorchedX> just me thena netgear home router
[06:44] <XTorchedX> it's not linux
[06:45] <swatgoss> trappist whats the name of your "java-package" in adept ?
[06:46] <trappist> swatgoss: java-package.  it's in the multiverse repository
[06:47] <swatgoss> phew
[06:48] <Kennie> could anyone ban Nextgens_ for fake shit sending?
[06:48] <trappist> swamptu: that's not it, but you could save yourself some time and trouble by installing the sun-java5-jdk package
[06:49] <trappist> swamptu: unless you're on dialup or something
[06:50] <main2> alt+space doesnt do anything here...
[06:50] <main2> i cant get the katapult up :D
[06:50] <trappist> main2: need to have katapult installed and running
[06:51] <trappist> Kennie: working on a kline for him
[06:51] <main2> trappist: its running
[06:51] <main2> ps -e |grep katapult
[06:51] <main2> 18696 ?        00:00:00 katapult
[06:51] <Kennie> ty trappist :)
[06:51] <trappist> main2: maybe you have something else eating alt-space
[06:51] <main2> that could be
[06:53] <swatgoss> trappist jpkg working :p
[06:54] <trappist> swatgoss: good deal
[06:54] <swatgoss> :'( its beautifull ... my 1st .bin
[06:54] <main2> trappist: i check all shortcut entries, but non of the occupies 'alt+space'
[06:54] <swatgoss> now i got all the power of java under linux !!! i'm the master of my smartphone ...
[06:55] <swatgoss> smat
[06:55] <swatgoss> smartphone -> univers
[06:55] <swatgoss> bah
[06:55] <swatgoss> not the smartphone ... just the master of the universe
[06:56] <XTorchedX> how do i say 'kubuntu'
[06:56] <arunkale> koo boon too
[06:57] <XTorchedX> that's good
[06:57] <XTorchedX> that's how i was saying it
[06:57] <swatgoss> arunkale would have prefer Ka Oubountou
[06:57] <swatgoss> french inside :p
[06:58] <arunkale> ???
[06:58] <swatgoss> Kaooboontoo sounds better for me :p
[06:58] <arunkale> why would i prefer that?
[06:58] <swatgoss> sry
[06:58] <swatgoss> I would have prefered
[06:58] <swatgoss> prefer ?
[06:58] <arunkale> :)
[06:59] <swatgoss> bah doesn't matter
[06:59] <main2> tra
[06:59] <main2> trappist: my server runs on display 1, think that it has to do something with it..
[07:00] <swatgoss> is it possible to run 2 OS (like in virtualisation or something ...) on 2 differents screens, on the same video card (same PC)
[07:00] <swatgoss> terribly difficult to do ?
[07:01] <swatgoss> 
[07:02] <AlexNicol> I have a problem with the Kubuntu GUI, can someone help?
[07:03] <AlexNicol> Downloaded and installed Ubuntu Server as I only had the one disc.  this installed OK and on a fresh install I can see the terminal without issue.  as soon as I apt-get {insesrt option}-desktop, it installs OK, I reboot and then I see the splash screen.  once this has loaded, I see a single white "-" in the top left of the screen and nothing else.  I assume its graphics related because the system continues to load things.
[07:04] <XTorchedX> did you check if all your hardware is supported AlexNicol?
[07:05] <AlexNicol> yes
[07:05] <XTorchedX> all sweet?
[07:05] <AlexNicol> Although I might need to doublecheck on the gfx card
[07:05] <XTorchedX> yeah, the gfx and mobo
[07:05] <AlexNicol> This system has had linux running on it before
[07:05] <trappist> AlexNicol: try hitting ctrl-alt-f7
[07:05] <AlexNicol> but I think that was redhat
[07:05] <trappist> AlexNicol: if that doesn't work, ctrl-alt-f1
[07:05] <AlexNicol> at the "-" screen?
[07:05] <trappist> yes
[07:05] <AlexNicol> wait one
[07:05] <trappist> AlexNicol: and, did you install dapper, or like edgy knot 3 or something?
[07:06] <AlexNicol> err
[07:06] <AlexNicol> ubuntu-6.06.1-server-i386.iso
[07:06] <AlexNicol> is the download file
[07:06] <trappist> ok, that's dapper
[07:07] <trappist> AlexNicol: what video card?
[07:07] <AlexNicol> yeah
[07:07] <AlexNicol> Thought it was
[07:07] <AlexNicol> but the edgy knot bit confused me
[07:07] <karokub> bye
[07:07] <trappist> AlexNicol: edgy is the next release - not yet ready for general consumption, and what you described still happens a lot on it, but things should work nicely on dapper
[07:08] <AlexNicol> ctrl + Alt + F1 / F7 does nothing
[07:08] <AlexNicol> where is the most comprehensive hardware list
[07:10] <klerfayt> can I report bugs related to flashplayer in launchpad?
[07:10] <[GuS] > klerfayt, flash player from Adobe?
[07:10] <luca_b> klerfayt: depends if they're packaging bugs, or actual program bugs, IMO
[07:10] <trappist> klerfayt: yep
[07:10] <trappist> luca_b: it's valid to file a bug in any case
[07:10] <trappist> abugisabugisabug
[07:11] <luca_b> trappist: well, yes, I get your point
[07:11] <luca_b> trappist: at least if it can't be fixed it can be put in release notes or something
[07:11] <Mochito> whats up my friends?
[07:11] <klerfayt> trappist: how do I debug firefox freeze? (it happens with flashplayer)
[07:11] <Mochito> how are  you?
[07:11] <trappist> luca_b: yeah, I wouldn't bother filing such a bug, but I've seen others like it and they don't get rejected, so it's apparently valid
[07:12] <trappist> klerfayt: I don't have any knowledge of that.  are you talking about the open source flashplayer or the adobe one, out of curiosity?
[07:12] <luca_b> oh, random question: anyone using XGL with Kubuntu and an ATI card?
[07:12] <klerfayt> trappist: adobe
[07:12] <trappist> klerfayt: because there's an open bug already about the open source one causing freezes
[07:13] <klerfayt> trappist: it could be related to alsa-oss (I configured firefox to use this sound instead of oss)
[07:14] <trappist> klerfayt: I think there's some info related to that on the RestrictedFormats wiki page
[07:18] <klerfayt> trappist: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/27093 - there is no way to fix it; what if I complain to adobe? do they care? :)
[07:18] <trappist> klerfayt: you have to give adobe money even to get them to listen to a bug report.  they kinda suck like that.
[07:19] <AlexNicol> Trappist:  Think its my gfx card thats causing issues, cos it works fine on on board
[07:19] <AlexNicol> is it therefore a lost cause, or can I just try and find some drivers for my gfx card?
[07:19] <trappist> AlexNicol: yes, that's the most likely problem.  that's why I asked what video card you were using.
[07:20] <horizon> can anyone tell me please the dvd download link of kubuntu?
[07:21] <horizon> dvd amd64 iso for dapper drake??
[07:21] <klerfayt> trappist: heh I can reproduce that bug (27093)
[07:22] <ubuntu_> hello..  anyone here please
[07:22] <arunkale> yeah, i'm here
[07:23] <ubuntu_> hi arunkale, you speak spanish or somebody here ?
[07:23] <arunkale> no man
[07:23] <horizon> arunkale
[07:23] <bobesponja> hola ubuntu_
[07:23] <horizon> do you konow
[07:23] <trappist> ubuntu_: /join #kubuntu-es
[07:23] <Creedence> hey guys
[07:23] <horizon> the amd64 dvd iso link?
[07:23] <ubuntu_> ok thx a lot trappist
[07:23] <fildo> !vncserver
[07:23] <ubotu> vncserver: Virtual network computing server software. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3.7-8ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 530 kB, installed size 1240 kB
[07:23] <bobesponja> ubuntu_: hay un chanel en espanol
[07:24] <AlexNicol> trappist - Ati website has linux drivers on it - would these work or are they already included in dapper?
[07:25] <trappist> AlexNicol: they're included - sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules
[07:25] <trappist> AlexNicol: then, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select the fglrx driver
[07:25] <AlexNicol> so they dont come as standard, but they may still work?
[07:25] <trappist> AlexNicol: oh, also install the xorg-driver-fglrx package
[07:26] <trappist> AlexNicol: they're not standard because they're nonfree, but they work ok, for ati drivers :)
[07:26] <AlexNicol> aye
[07:28] <AlexNicol> trappist - couldnt find package linux-restricted-modules
[07:28] <luca_b> On the topic of ATI drivers, anyone knows if the latest release fixes the annoying terminal-X switch corruption issue?
[07:29] <trappist> AlexNicol: oh sorry, sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[07:30] <trappist> luca_b: when I had that with nvidia, I just disabled framebuffer by saying vga=normal in my bootloader, and it was solved
[07:30] <luca_b> trappist: thought so
[07:30] <trappist> luca_b: of course that has other consequences, but it seems these proprietary framebuffer drivers kinda suck
[07:31] <luca_b> trappist: actually I can't get hibernation to work due to fglrx, as well
[07:31] <luca_b> trappist: but I have an X600, so going with fglrx is almost the only option
[07:31] <trappist> luca_b: I think there's an open bug or 5 on that one too
[07:32] <luca_b> trappist: thanks, I'll go and check launchpad in a bit
[07:32] <trappist> luca_b: they gave me a laptop with an ati card at work, and I finally gave up and asked for a workstation instead
[07:32] <luca_b> trappist: this laptop was the only one I could afford, too bad it wasn't too linux-friendly
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> i got fglrx going on my x200 based  laptop
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> i was amazed it worked. :)
[07:34] <luca_b> I'll ask also for another thing
[07:35] <luca_b> do you think it's a kernel issue if my / partition ALWAYS gets unmounted bad at reboot?
[07:35] <luca_b> the problem is that the init scripts don't get it's unclean, as well
[07:35] <Creedence> q: how do you get rid of old kernal versions? is it as simple as uninstalling them?
[07:35] <luca_b> so I get horror errors
[07:35] <luca_b> Creedence: yes, indeed
[07:35] <XTorchedX> do i want to run this adept updater thing?
[07:35] <Creedence> luca_b, so is there any risk in that?
[07:36] <Creedence> I don't wanna mess up the computer :)
[07:36] <Creedence> it's working great!
[07:36] <luca_b> Creedence: I'd keep one spare kernel in case of failures of the main one, but for the rest, you can go ahead
[07:37] <Creedence> luca_b, cool
[07:37] <Creedence> there are too many in my boot list :)
[07:37] <trappist> say.  if anybody here has decent computer graphics skills, I'll be your personal tech support slave for 1 hour a day for a week if you can make me a decent hackergotchi.
[07:38] <carino35bs> Hello there. Anyone able to watch the last apple webcast with firefox?
[07:38] <luca_b> trappist: sadly, my graphics skills are *way* below average
[07:39] <XTorchedX> how are your stick figure skills?
[07:39] <trappist> luca_b: I feel you dog.  my right brain is all shriveled and atrophied.
[07:39] <zorglu_> trappist: not that i can fill the position, but what is a hackergotchi ?
[07:39] <Homer> I have the ATI driver installed
[07:39] <Homer> but I swear opengl acceleration isn't working
[07:40] <zorglu_> Homer: do 'glxinfo | grep render' to be sure of it
[07:41] <Nik001> Hi there
[07:41] <trappist> zorglu_: http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/ <-- see the faces on the left
[07:41] <trappist> zorglu_: those are hackergotchis
[07:41] <Nik001> anyone can help me wathcing apple webcast?
[07:42] <Homer> direct rendering: Yes
[07:42] <Homer>     GLX_ATI_render_texture
[07:42] <Homer> OpenGL renderer string: MOBILITY RADEON X700 Generic
[07:42] <luca_b> Homer: you have GL working
[07:42] <Homer> but any opengl app runs slooooow
[07:42] <zorglu_> trappist: ah ok :)
[07:42] <Homer> it has to be working in software mode
[07:42] <trappist> zorglu_: for future reference, if you | grep rendering (not render) it'll cut down on the paste spam :)
[07:43] <trappist> Homer: direct rendering means hardware rendering
[07:43] <arienh4> i have a kinda problem, because i think i'm using /dev/dsp for everything now, but i want arts to play music together with skype...
[07:43] <Nik001> I can't watch the last apple webcast. Does anyone have the same problem?
[07:43] <Homer> why would celestia run at like 4 FPS
[07:43] <zorglu_> trappist: noted :) it is a bug one line optim i wont forget :)
[07:43] <arienh4> is it possible to activate it in some way?
[07:45] <arienh4> ?
[07:46] <Nik001> any help^
[07:46] <Nik001> ??
[07:46] <arienh4> or me ^
[07:47] <trappist> zorglu_: anyway that's why I ask - a hackergotchi is a prerequisite for getting your blog in planet ubuntu.  I have one, but it sucks bad and I'm ashamed to call it a hackergotchi.
[07:48] <Nik001> anyone able to help me with apple webcast?
[07:49] <arienh4> or me with arts
[07:49] <two-face> Hi
[07:50] <zorglu_> trappist: put a black square, call yourself 'cave coder', and put 'in my cave there is no photon light, only the concentration to produce software for people' :)
[07:50] <zorglu_> trappist: you will be original and misterious :)
[07:51] <trappist> zorglu_: yeah I think I'd rather have a hackergotchi :)  but thanks for the idea
[07:51] <zorglu_> pfff :)
[07:51] <two-face> I tried knot3 and it fails at boot time
[07:52] <trappist> two-face: /join #ubuntu+1
[07:52] <zorglu_> trappist: ok the people on ubuntu-art will do that trivially and may have some tech problem to trade :)
[07:52] <trappist> zorglu_: never thought of that!
[07:52] <two-face> but it is kubuntu, why am i at the wrong place?
[07:52] <trappist> two-face: edgy is unstable and unsupported.  #ubuntu+1 is for edgy help.
[07:53] <two-face> trappist: alright thx
[07:53] <trappist> np
[07:57] <zorglu_> trade cmake course against... stuff i know i could teach you ?  (networking, security, crypto, p2p) no ?
[07:58] <zorglu_> btw this kind of thing could be nice
[07:58] <zorglu_> a market place where we trade help like that, i offer that and would like that
[07:58] <luca_b> zorglu_: yeah, indeed
[07:58] <zorglu_> well very ontopic via kubuntu-support :)
[08:04] <fleissigfiona> ive got a problem, whenever i leave my computer for more than an hour or so, it goes to the screensaver and then turns the monitor off, when i come back to it i can't wake it up atall with either mouse or keyboard and have to restart. any ideas?
[08:04] <zorglu_> yep some issue with acpi
[08:05] <jan_> hello??
[08:06] <pepe> somebody say sth?
[08:06] <trappist> fleissigfiona: disable the screensaver?  or maybe it's trying to hibernate or something and you need to tweak/disable your power management stuff
[08:06] <Creedence> Okay, so I have a VPN setup at home and I want to connect to it with Kubuntu. I found something called PPTP Client but I am not sure if I like it. Any other suggestions?
[08:06] <jan_> is this for kubuntu users with difficult questions??
[08:07] <trappist> Creedence: if it's a microsoft vpn client you need some kind of pptp client
[08:07] <jan_> cause i've got one
[08:07] <trappist> jan_: yes
[08:07] <trombine> Hi everybody
[08:07] <Creedence> is ther any linux equivalent?
[08:07] <Creedence> is there a way to gain all netowrk resources with ssh without patching each port?
[08:07] <trombine> is someone can help me to install some soft please ,
[08:07] <trappist> Creedence: for a vpn server?  sure, lots.  allow me to recommend openvpn.
[08:07] <Creedence> Woohoo
[08:07] <Creedence> k
[08:08] <Creedence> I have a Clarkconnect box
[08:08] <trombine> es-ce que quelqu'un pourrai m'aider  isntaller qq programmes svp ?
[08:08] <Creedence> now I have to try and install it on that
[08:08] <trappist> I've read about clarkconnect but I forget what it's all about.
[08:08] <jan_> ook nederlanders hier??
[08:08] <trappist> trombine: #ubuntu-fr
[08:08] <trombine> thanks trappist see ya
[08:08] <luca_b> Creedence: OpenVPN rocks, it's the solution I use at work
[08:08] <trappist> jan_: #ubuntu-nl
[08:08] <Creedence> Clarkconnect is a linux (I beleive deb ditro based) firewall
[08:09] <Creedence> luca_b, brb I am going to look :)
[08:09] <luca_b> Creedence: if I recall, Clarkconnect is RPM-based
[08:09] <jan_> i want to know how i use my soundcard instead of my onboard soundchip
[08:09] <luca_b> (tried to use it in the past for my custom home-made router)
[08:09] <trappist> jan_: the easiest solution is to disable the onboard card in the BIOS
[08:09] <jan_> okay, bus i need the other one in wind*ws, it's a dual boot
[08:10] <trappist> jan_: I knew you'd say that :)
[08:10] <trappist> jan_: what does 'asoundconf list' say?
[08:10] <judibet> Tip : A firewall in graphic mode : sudo apt-get install guarddog
[08:10] <jan_> Names of available sound cards:
[08:10] <jan_> V8237
[08:10] <jan_> CMI8738MC6
[08:11] <trappist> jan_: try this: asoundconf set-default-card CMI8738MC6
[08:11] <trappist> jan_: I assume that V8237 is your onboard card
[08:11] <Knifa> hay
[08:11] <jan_> okay, i tried
[08:12] <Knifa> does the "saving language" bit on the installer usually take a long time? D:
[08:12] <jan_> thanx a lot
[08:12] <trappist> jan_: it worked?
[08:12] <jan_> trappist, you are my hero!!
[08:12] <trappist> woohoo!
[08:12] <trappist> jan_: the 'list' function is my patch to asoundconf - glad it worked!
[08:12] <luca_b> trappist: never knew such a thing existed, you never stop learning with linux
[08:13] <trappist> luca_b: it didn't until recently
[08:13] <AlexNicol> trappist:  Installed all the packages - and still have the same issue
[08:13] <AlexNicol> although this time its telling me the xserver is not correctly configured
[08:13] <arunkale> anyone here used JuK?
[08:13] <trappist> AlexNicol: it won't use the new drivers until you sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and configure it to do so
[08:13] <AlexNicol> yeah
[08:13] <AlexNicol> did that
[08:13] <AlexNicol> chose the flgrx one
[08:13] <AlexNicol> and now its complaining
[08:14] <AlexNicol> is this a generic linux issue, or specific to ubuntu?
[08:14] <luca_b> AlexNicol: you may want to try using ATI's own tool, try using aticonfig --initial
[08:14] <trappist> AlexNicol: I'm always encouraged to see a *different* problem
[08:14] <AlexNicol> I like to test people :)
[08:14] <trappist> AlexNicol: ati's linux drivers kinda suck, but I can't really answer that question until we track down the cause
[08:14] <AlexNicol> lol
[08:15] <judibet> I left !
[08:15] <luca_b> trappist: they suck also on windows, actually
[08:15] <AlexNicol> trying luca_b's idea now
[08:15] <judibet> See you all!
[08:15] <trappist> luca_b: true that
[08:15] <AlexNicol> Luca_b, just type that in as a command?
[08:15] <trappist> AlexNicol: if that doesn't work, next step is to examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:15] <luca_b> AlexNicol: one sec, checking if it's there by default
[08:15] <AlexNicol> right
[08:15] <AlexNicol> log open
[08:16] <AlexNicol> says - *from far away*
[08:16] <trappist> AlexNicol: look for lines beginning with (EE)
[08:16] <luca_b> AlexNicol: should be there, it's in the xorg-driver-fglrx package that you should have
[08:16] <AlexNicol> EE - No Devices Detected
[08:16] <luca_b> AlexNicol: ok, you may want to try aticonfig
[08:16] <trappist> AlexNicol: well that's no good :)  if you say lspci, do you see your card?
[08:17] <AlexNicol> WW - No matching device section for instance (BUSID PCT:1:10:0) found
[08:17] <luca_b> AlexNicol: been there, saw that error
[08:17] <trappist> that busid doesn't look right
[08:17] <luca_b> brb, dinnner
[08:17] <trappist> but I can't be sure about that
[08:17] <trappist> AlexNicol: is this a vga card, or pci express?  or ye olde pci? or onboard?
[08:17] <AlexNicol> trappist
[08:17] <AlexNicol> hang on
[08:18] <scott_w|lappy> yo, i got a problem using configure scripts
[08:18] <scott_w|lappy> i've already installed gcc
[08:18] <AlexNicol> 0000:01:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Fac
[08:18] <AlexNicol> ffs
[08:18] <trappist> scott_w|lappy: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:19] <AlexNicol> [Radeon 7000/VE] 
[08:19] <scott_w|lappy> trappist: i'll see if that works, thanks
[08:19] <AlexNicol> so put in that bus ide?
[08:19] <trappist> AlexNicol: ok so it's vga and it *is* detected.  I think your problem is likely that pci id.  did you try luca_b's suggestion yet?
[08:19] <AlexNicol> no
[08:19] <trappist> AlexNicol: I'm not sure that translates... lemme check...
[08:19] <AlexNicol> was waiting on a command
[08:20] <trappist> AlexNicol: no, it's not quite the same syntax, apparently, and I don't know how to translate it
[08:20] <trappist> AlexNicol: my lspci says 01:00.0 and my xorg.conf says PCI:1:0:0
[08:20] <trappist> so I don't know what your 0a should look like
[08:21] <AlexNicol> hmm
[08:21] <AlexNicol> Luca_b's suggestion returned...
[08:21] <AlexNicol> Found fglrx primary device section
[08:21] <AlexNicol> Noting to do, terminating
[08:22] <trappist> you could try commenting out the Device section to *give* it something to do
[08:22] <Knifa> my install is stuck at Select and Install Software, Configuring language-pack-en-base at 1%
[08:22] <Knifa> does it usually take a while :[
[08:22] <Knifa> the HDD light is going atleast
[08:23] <trappist> I think there's a pretty good chance the problem is in that BusID parameter, but I can't tell you what it should be
[08:23] <trappist> Knifa: I'd say give it some time
[08:23] <AlexNicol> trappist - aticonfig --initial --force returns.....
[08:23] <AlexNicol> Unitialised file found, configuring.
[08:23] <Knifa> kay
[08:23] <trappist> oh, --force.  good one.
[08:24] <AlexNicol> Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:24] <AlexNicol> Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx.0
[08:24] <AlexNicol> aticonfig: Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad File Descriptor
[08:25] <Knifa> trappist: it's been at it for a good 5 minutes now
[08:25] <trappist> AlexNicol: you ran it with sudo, right?
[08:25] <Knifa> although it took the same amount of time on saving language
[08:25] <AlexNicol> errrr...
[08:25] <AlexNicol> yes :$
[08:25] <Knifa> and it's a p3 500mhz with 64mb of ram <_<
[08:25] <trappist> Knifa: if you've got hard drive activity, it's still working
[08:25] <Knifa> kay
[08:25] <scott_w|lappy> trappist: yeah, it worked, cheers ^_^
[08:25] <trappist> Knifa: ah.  yeah, expect it to take a while :)  it should run fine, but installation will be slow
[08:25] <trappist> scott_w|lappy: what worked?
[08:26] <AlexNicol> the essential-build thing
[08:26] <scott_w|lappy> out of curiosity: why doesn't kubuntu install development tools by default?
[08:26] <AlexNicol> scott - thats the same question I asked when I first came accross it
[08:26] <AlexNicol> Trappist - Sudo ati(etc) worked I think
[08:26] <trappist> AlexNicol: ossum
[08:27] <AlexNicol> Pardon?
[08:27] <trappist> scott_w|lappy: your average user doesn't usually need them.  pretty much everything you'd ever want is available in the repos.
[08:27] <scott_w|lappy> oh, and does anyone know when gcc 4.1 is going in the repositories?
[08:27] <trappist> AlexNicol: means awesome :)
[08:27] <AlexNicol> ahh
[08:27] <trappist> scott_w|lappy: when edgy is released
[08:27] <scott_w|lappy> ok
[08:27] <Knifa> kay, thanks trappist :D
[08:27] <AlexNicol> not up on abbreviations
[08:27] <AlexNicol> Right - whats the command to boot into GUI?
[08:28] <scott_w|lappy> but still, you average user may find themselves needing to compile source code
[08:28] <trappist> AlexNicol: it's my own invention.  it's phoenetically identical.
[08:28] <scott_w|lappy> a guy i know had to to get his modem working
[08:28] <trappist> AlexNicol: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop, then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[08:28] <AlexNicol> yeah, it made sense when I re-read it
[08:28] <AlexNicol> using xubuntu
[08:28] <AlexNicol> is it xdm?
[08:29] <trappist> AlexNicol: whatever your *dm is
[08:29] <lebifteksauvage> Hello ;)
[08:29] <trappist> AlexNicol: if you pick the wrong one, it'll just tell you
[08:29] <AlexNicol> command not found
[08:29] <AlexNicol> is there a way of finding it?
[08:30] <trappist> scott_w|lappy: a long and interesting discussion over whether to install them by default happened on the ubuntu-devel mailing list, and that very argument was brought up more than once in favor of doing it.
[08:30] <trappist> AlexNicol: ls /etc/init.d/*dm
[08:30] <trappist> AlexNicol: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:30] <AlexNicol> I cheated and rebooted :P
[08:30] <trappist> that'll work :)
[08:31] <AlexNicol> computer says
[08:31] <AlexNicol> no
[08:32] <AlexNicol> failed to start x server
[08:32] <AlexNicol> no devices detected
[08:32] <AlexNicol> no screens found
[08:32] <trappist> suck
[08:33] <trappist> AlexNicol: what kind of (EE)s do you have in /var/log/Xorg.0.log now?
[08:33] <trappist> and, what's the BusID option in your new Device stanza?
[08:34] <trappist> bbiaf - ima go grab a burger
[08:35] <AlexNicol> EE - No screens found
[08:35] <AlexNicol> and where do I look for the other bit?
[08:37] <Knifa> trappist: still going :(
[08:38] <AlexNicol> knifa - Still on 1%?
[08:39] <Knifa> yeah
[08:39] <Knifa> the hard drive is still going though
[08:39] <AlexNicol> as in going like mad or ticking over?
[08:40] <Knifa> actually it doesn't sound like it's doing much
[08:40] <Knifa> the light is on though
[08:40] <Knifa> mabye it's dead too :/
[08:40] <luluza> Hi
[08:40] <Knifa> it's making generic hard drive noises thoug
[08:40] <AlexNicol> my first thought would be to restart it and run the MEMTEST thing on the CD
[08:41] <AlexNicol> have you got something like Eurosofts PC Check
[08:41] <AlexNicol> or some other HDD checking tool?
[08:41] <Knifa> nah it's not worth it
[08:41] <Knifa> it's a spare computer
[08:41] <Knifa> i was only going to install it on it to mess around
[08:41] <luluza> anybody help me???
[08:41] <AlexNicol> its always worth it for that
[08:41] <[GuS] > HD regenerator AlexNicol
[08:41] <AlexNicol> luluza - whats the problem
[08:41] <AlexNicol> Gus - Is that a freebie?
[08:42] <luluza> I can't configuret  the micro
[08:42] <[GuS] > dont think so
[08:42] <[GuS] > but is very good
[08:42] <Knifa> i don't have any hdd checking stuffs
[08:42] <AlexNicol> cool - its one I've not come across, but I've only really used manufacturer stuff for warranty repairs
[08:42] <AlexNicol> i.e. SEAGATEs own for seagate hdd's etc
[08:43] <AlexNicol> Knifa - Just a thought.... ermmmm... Prolly just try installing it afresh
[08:43] <AlexNicol> are you sure the cd is good?
[08:43] <luluza> ?
[08:43] <Knifa> actually
[08:43] <Knifa> it is going bad
[08:43] <Knifa> mad
[08:43] <Knifa> i just couldn't hear it
[08:43] <Knifa> :p
[08:43] <arunkale> heh
[08:44] <AlexNicol> lol
[08:44] <AlexNicol> Luluza - can you be more specifivc
[08:44] <Knifa> i blame it's lack of ram
[08:44] <AlexNicol> what cant you configure?
[08:44] <arunkale> Knifa, when you insert the cd, there's an option to check the integrity of the cd or something
[08:44] <AlexNicol> How much Ram has it got?
[08:44] <luluza> I can'y use the microphone
[08:44] <AlexNicol> arunkale - is it still part of the install process?
[08:45] <Knifa> 64mb :|
[08:45] <AlexNicol> Arunkale - No, its got its own option now hasnt it
[08:45] <AlexNicol> Dude
[08:45] <AlexNicol> my PHONE has more memory than that LD
[08:45] <AlexNicol> :D
[08:45] <Knifa> XD
[08:45] <arunkale> AlexNicol: I installed Dapper Drake recently, and when you insert the cd, it gives you a few options
[08:45] <AlexNicol> yeah I just remembered
[08:45] <arunkale> one of those options is to check the integrity of the cd
[08:45] <AlexNicol> strange though it sounds
[08:45] <AlexNicol> another is to run Memtest
[08:45] <arunkale> isn't 64mb kinda less
[08:45] <cango> help
[08:45] <cango> help
[08:45] <cango> help
[08:46] <AlexNicol> and Knifa - I would prolly suggest that memory would be an issue
[08:46] <Knifa> aye
[08:46] <cango> i can't listen my mp3s
[08:46] <AlexNicol> is there not a minimum listed?
[08:46] <arunkale> cango: could you listen to them earlier?
[08:46] <Knifa> actually it has 86mb
[08:46] <cango> no
[08:46] <Knifa> but that's still crap
[08:46] <Knifa> D:
[08:46] <AlexNicol> Cango - see ubuntuguide.org and follow through the information about installing multimedia codecs
[08:46] <arunkale> !mp3
[08:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:46] <cango> thanks
[08:46] <arunkale> cango check out those links ^^
[08:46] <AlexNicol> arunkale - smart arse :P
[08:46] <arunkale> hahahah
[08:47] <AlexNicol> Is there a list of those kinda commands for future reference?
[08:47] <arunkale> what commands?
[08:47] <AlexNicol> !ones
[08:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ones - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:47] <luluza> I can't lisent to mp3 with Amarok
[08:47] <arunkale> ones?
[08:47] <AlexNicol> oooohhh its a search
[08:47] <cango> i installed kubuntus 1 hour ago
[08:48] <AlexNicol> cango http://ubuntuguide.org
[08:48] <scott_w|lappy> cango: same here :)
[08:48] <arunkale> cango, check those links, it will tell you everything you need to know. start with this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[08:48] <AlexNicol> start from the top, and miss out the bits you DONT want
[08:48] <cango> but i say
[08:48] <arunkale> ?
[08:49] <scott_w|lappy> well that explains why lilo isn't around
[08:49] <scott_w|lappy> RIP dude
[08:49] <cango> this is my first time linux
[08:49] <AlexNicol> innit
[08:49] <AlexNicol> Cango - You've made a good choice
[08:49] <cango> and i can't install codecs and programs
[08:49] <AlexNicol> http://ubuntuguide.org gives you step my step instructions
[08:49] <AlexNicol> including the use of SUDO
[08:49] <arunkale> cango - just copy paste those commands
[08:49] <cango> i don't know that i said
[08:49] <AlexNicol> which will become your new best friend :)
[08:50] <AlexNicol> Cango - You from a Windows Background?
[08:50] <cango> yes
[08:51] <luluza> ?
[08:51] <arunkale> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats <- check this out cango
[08:51] <arunkale> it's really simple, dont worry
[08:51] <cango> ok
[08:52] <luluza> anybody speak spanish?????
[08:52] <cango> codes are very hard to me
[08:52] <arunkale> !es
[08:52] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[08:52] <AlexNicol> Cango - OK
[08:52] <arunkale> cango: just copy paste the codes in Konsole
[08:52] <AlexNicol> You know how you have different levels of user in Windows
[08:52] <luluza> ok...I leave
[08:52] <arunkale> AlexNicol: is there any way he can install codecs using Adept?
[08:53] <luluza> !es
[08:53] <AlexNicol> erm erm
[08:53] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[08:53] <arunkale> cango: wait, i have something that will make it really easy for you
[08:53] <cango> how can i enter console alt + F2 or others...
[08:53] <AlexNicol> I dont know, because I come from DOS, so I prefer consoles
[08:53] <cango> i wait
[08:53] <luluza> thanks..for
[08:53] <AlexNicol> are you at the linux desktop?
[08:53] <cango> yeah
[08:53] <AlexNicol> Luluza - Sorry, I dont know about microphones, wait for trappist to return
[08:53] <AlexNicol> ok
[08:54] <trappist> back
[08:54] <AlexNicol> APPLICATIONS - SYSTEM - TERMINAL
[08:54] <trappist> but I don't know about mics either
[08:54] <arunkale> cango: check this out -- http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[08:54] <AlexNicol> lol you made me jump :)
[08:54] <AlexNicol> oh yeah
[08:54] <arunkale> this will make it really easy for you
[08:54] <AlexNicol> easyubuntu
[08:55] <Homer> amaroK is hot
[08:55] <arunkale> cango: you there?
[08:55] <arunkale> Homer: Yes it is :D
[08:55] <MasterEvilAce> my sound is REALLY glitchy, and a bit staticy at times. Like i can't play two sound streams at once, or two sounds really close together (like GAIM receiving 2 IMs at the same time)
[08:55] <mattikoo> I have Kubuntu Dapper installed. I have installed the NVidia's newest driver for it. Dapper freezes many often, but Windows XP don't freeze with same hardware. I have tried glx driver for ubuntu, too. And Dapper freeze it, too.
[08:56] <cango> yeah
[08:56] <cango> i m here
[08:56] <cango> arunkale
[08:56] <arunkale> did you see that link cango?
[08:56] <trappist> MasterEvilAce: ps aux | grep arts
[08:56] <arunkale> http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[08:56] <cango> yes
[08:57] <bledy> hhhi
[08:57] <cango> what must
[08:57] <arunkale> cango: download and install that script, it will set up everything for you
[08:57] <cango> what can i do
[08:57] <bledy> can i ask some one for how to install installing mozilla?
[08:58] <arunkale> ???
[08:58] <MasterEvilAce> trappist: okay
[08:58] <bledy> can i ask some one for how to install mozilla?
[08:58] <trappist> MasterEvilAce: that won't fix anything.  I just want to know what it says.
[08:58] <heiner> is there a way to make the grub-boot-this-now feature of kdm available in dapper?
[08:58] <MasterEvilAce> 1000      4342  0.0  1.9  39108  4908 ?        S    Sep21   0:14 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -d -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
[08:58] <MasterEvilAce> 1000     13885  0.0  0.2   2804   748 pts/5    R+   14:57   0:00 grep arts
[08:58] <mattikoo> Do I send bug report to NVidia or Ubuntu-Community?
[08:58] <bledy> i'm a beginner on linux
[08:58] <arunkale> cango: http://tinyurl.com/gwrdf  <- click this, it will download the package on your computer, and then you can double click it to install all the necessary codecs, etc
[08:59] <arunkale> bledy: you want to install firefox?
[08:59] <bledy> so i don't know any thing
[08:59] <trappist> MasterEvilAce: it's the job of artsd to do your sound mixing so you can play multiple sounds at once.  it's running, but apparently kde isn't using it.  or maybe it's just that gaim doesn't know how to use it, what with it not being a kde app and all.
[08:59] <trappist> mattikoo: http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu
[08:59] <inam> !firefox
[08:59] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[08:59] <MasterEvilAce> trappist: i'm not sure it's only Gaim, but Gaim is the most annoying. amarok gets glitchy sometimes as well
[08:59] <bledy> yes i want
[09:00] <bledy> arunkale thnx
[09:00] <P4ck3t> do i need to have w32codecs installed to play mp3 files????
[09:00] <inam> bledy... your installation already has a browser
[09:00] <bledy> y
[09:00] <mattikoo> trappist: Thank you
[09:00] <trappist> MasterEvilAce: ah, well, amarok is a kde app, so that definitely shouldn't happen.  I don't recall where it is, but try running kcontrol and finding where to config your audio, and make sure it's set up to use a sound daemon (arts)
[09:00] <bledy> is konqueror
[09:00] <trappist> P4ck3t: no
[09:00] <MasterEvilAce> trappist: roger that
[09:01] <P4ck3t> trappist:  then why w32codecs is necessary???
[09:01] <trappist> P4ck3t: it contains codecs that are only available for windows, like wmv9
[09:01] <inam> !firefox > bledy
[09:01] <arunkale> P4ck3t: to play windows media files and stuff
[09:01] <bledy> ca you write me in privat becouse here i'll be confused and dont lnoww what to do
[09:01] <bledy> thanx
[09:01] <bledy> y inam
[09:01] <P4ck3t> trappist: okie..
[09:02] <arunkale> okay, people
[09:02] <arunkale> i'm going to sleep now
[09:02] <heiner> so, is there a way to make the grub-boot-this-now feature of kdm available in dapper?
[09:03] <inam> bledy, which version of kubuntu are you using?
[09:03] <heiner> cause it doesnt work for me right now...
[09:03] <Knifa> still 1% -_-
[09:03] <bledy> inam i dont know
[09:03] <arunkale> cango: are you downloading/running that package?
[09:05] <arunkale> ok 'night people
[09:06] <bledy> ok night arunkale thnx
[09:06] <inam> bledy, can you click k-menu -> system -> adept
[09:07] <goku> this blows kopete has a bug
[09:09] <bledy> ook inam
[09:09] <bledy> than inam?
[09:11] <inam> bledy, in the search box, type "firefox" and click enter
[09:11] <draik> Anyone here know the name of the app that lets you read Linux partitions on NTFS?
[09:11] <heiner> draik: mount
[09:11] <draik> heiner, that's the name of the app?
[09:12] <heiner> forget it, im an idiot
[09:12] <DaSkreech> draik: Can you explain what you mean?
[09:12] <inam> draik: you are looking for a win32 app
[09:12] <bledy> ok inam
[09:12] <draik> win32 app, yes
[09:12] <coreymon77> draik: ive used captain nemo
[09:12] <draik> coreymon77, I will look that up right now, thank you
[09:12] <heiner> exit
[09:12] <inam> bledy, do you see an entry title "firefox"... is the staus of that "installed" or "not installed"
[09:14] <bledy> not installed
[09:14] <bledy> inam
[09:15] <inam> bledy, you can right click on firefox and choose "request install". after that you have to click on "apply" on the toolbar
[09:15] <bledy> i did right click -> install -> apply
[09:15] <bledy> and is installing now
[09:15] <inam> bledy, great :)  have fun using firefox
[09:15] <bledy> thanks
[09:15] <bledy> thanx inam
[09:15] <bledy> have a nice night
[09:16] <inam> bledy, you can use adept to search for and install any application that you might want
[09:16] <coreymon77> couldnt he just type apt-get install mozilla-firefox into a terminal
[09:16] <bledy> inam, thnx very much for your hekp
[09:17] <bledy> for ur help
[09:17] <bledy> thnx
[09:17] <jessica_> ??
[09:17] <jessica_> ?
[09:17] <inam> coreymon77, he could have... but im kinda to new to linux myself :)
[09:17] <Knifa> good news!
[09:17] <Knifa> the language-base-en thing finished
[09:17] <Knifa> -_-
[09:17] <Knifa> after about an hour
[09:18] <jessica_> i dont understood
[09:18] <jessica_> ;)
[09:18] <Knifa> you what now
[09:18] <jessica_> ich bin deutsch...
[09:18] <jessica_> lol
[09:18] <Knifa> ah
[09:18] <jessica_> und du?
[09:19] <Knifa> i am scottish.
[09:19] <jessica_> but you can speak german...
[09:19] <ryanakca> What directories do I delete to return to default kubuntu settings. $HOME/.kde/share/what?
[09:19] <zorglu_> !de
[09:19] <socres> hi @ all
[09:19] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:20] <zorglu_> ok i think i did this one without reading :)
[09:20] <inam> !ta
[09:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:20] <inam> never mind ubotu :)
[09:20] <Kiongku> lol..
[09:21] <jessica_> Knifa?
[09:21] <Knifa> hello
[09:21] <Knifa> oh
[09:21] <Knifa> i can't
[09:21] <Knifa> but
[09:21] <Knifa> i understand what that means
[09:21] <jessica_> ah...
[09:21] <ryanakca> What directories do I delete to return to default kubuntu settings. $HOME/.kde/share/what?
[09:21] <jessica_> wie alt bist denn du?
[09:21] <Knifa> i dunno any more than what you said the first time :(
[09:21] <ryanakca> jessica_: pleawe see what ubotu said
[09:22] <Knifa> yeh.
[09:22] <jessica_> ???
[09:22] <ryanakca> !de
[09:22] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:23] <inam> people... i need help with choosing the version of gcc to download... im just playing around with the code for "cal" and "banner"... now i need to compile it... so...
[09:23] <ryanakca> inam: gcc is in the repositories
[09:23] <jessica_> i dont no what you have said...
[09:23] <inam> ryanakca, but which verison of gcc should i use... 3.3 or 4.0 ?
[09:24] <Kiongku> inam.. read the manual with the cal or banner
[09:24] <Kiongku> it should say what it requires
[09:24] <ryanakca> jessica_: this is the channel for english help. please join #kubuntu-(twoletterlanguagecode) for help in that language.
[09:24] <DaSkreech> !de > jessica_
[09:24] <ryanakca> jessica_: example: #kubuntu-fr for help in french, #kubuntu-it for italian help, etc
[09:25] <Kiongku> there is no help for mauritius :P
[09:25] <ryanakca> inam: install both
[09:25] <ryanakca> inam: but I'd go with 4.0
[09:25] <Kiongku> ryanakca: its a radical solution..
[09:26] <ryanakca> Kiongku: I have no clue about the fine details between the two... and I believe that I currently have both installed... so... :D
[09:26] <cango> please
[09:26] <luca_b> hmmm, longer dinner and associated talks than I expected
[09:27] <ryanakca> What directories do I delete to return to default kubuntu settings. $HOME/.kde/share/what?
[09:27] <cango> the mp3s opened and closed
[09:27] <cango> i can't listen
[09:27] <luca_b> ryanakca: .kde as whole
[09:27] <Kiongku> cango
[09:27] <Kiongku> !mp3
[09:27] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:28] <Kiongku> hmm never tried delete everything in .kde.. i wonder
[09:28] <TheGateKeeper> cango: if you are using the xine engine then install libxine-extracodecs
[09:29] <cango> where can i find
[09:29] <fdoving> Kiongku: you could just try to move it away. in case you want it back :)
[09:29] <Kiongku> in repositories.
[09:29] <jessica_> ist hier jemand deutschsprachig?
[09:29] <fdoving> !de
[09:29] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:29] <Kiongku> fdoving: hmm indeed.. but my distro running very well for now. :) dunt need it
[09:30] <fdoving> Kiongku: ok, just wanted you to know that moving .kde might be a better solution, than deleting. :)
[09:31] <scion> hello all
[09:31] <Kiongku> fdoving: yeah just in case
[09:31] <Kiongku> scion: hmm u make me think of a game..
[09:32] <scion> i got a package problem, is there anyone who can spare a few min?
[09:32] <scion> Kiongku: what game is this?
[09:33] <TheGateKeeper> scion: so what is the problem?
[09:33] <inam> jessica_, bitte schreiben Sie, '/join #kubuntu-de '
[09:33] <scion> TheGateKeeper: cannot load Disks and Filesystems from the control panel
[09:34] <scion> TheGateKeeper: since my last update
[09:34] <scion> possible reasons - orphaned control module or old third party modules
[09:35] <jessica_> ,/join #kubuntu-de
[09:35] <scion> wtf? it worked fine yesterday when i was trying to fix my usb hdd problem!
[09:35] <scion> one problem swiftly followed by another!
[09:36] <jessica_> i dont understand this here...
[09:36] <scion> jessica_: what do you not understand?
[09:36] <inam> jessica_,  bitte schreiben Sie, /join #kubuntu-de
[09:36] <P4ck3t> i dont have resolv.conf in /etc .......... how i will get it?? do i have to install bind?
[09:37] <ryanakca> jessica_: this place is for help in ENGLISH. if you want help in GERMAN, please type: /join #kubuntu-de
[09:37] <ryanakca> jessica_: click on #kubuntu-de
[09:37] <scion> that the german channel!!
[09:38] <jessica_> thx
[09:38] <DaSkreech> ryanakca: can you ascertain someone's client?
[09:39] <P4ck3t>  i dont have resolv.conf in /etc .......... how i will get it?? do i have to install bind?
[09:39] <inam> she finally went to the german channel... i went there to see if she reached fine and she did :)
[09:39] <Kiongku> scion: battlzone 2
[09:40] <scion> de = Deutschland
[09:40] <scion> Kiongku: classic game
[09:40] <scion> TheGateKeeper: any joy
[09:40] <TheGateKeeper> scion: don't know what to suggest really
[09:41] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: no, but I'm judging that by the fact that they have a hard time understanding how to use IRC and that they're using Kubuntu, that Konversation is their client... educated guess
[09:41] <TheGateKeeper> scion: I know they messed up the flash plugin for firefox
[09:42] <TheGateKeeper> scion: has automount just stop working?
[09:42] <fdoving> P4ck3t: create one.
[09:43] <scion> TheGateKeeper: this is so annoying
[09:43] <scion> TheGateKeeper: i really don't want to do a fresh install
[09:43] <TheGateKeeper> scion: can you mount manually using the cli?
[09:44] <fdoving> what automounting? usb?
[09:54] <karim_> hello pretty linux gurls out there
[09:54] <healingdread> indeed...deepest sympathy and so on. anyone care to bring me up to speed?
[09:54] <Tm_T> karim_: talking to me?
[09:54] <karim_> if ur a girl?
[09:54] <healingdread> you know lilo
[09:55] <healingdread> not a girl in this lifetime
[09:55] <karim_> lol
[09:55] <DaSkreech> healingdread: Check freenode's website
[09:55] <Tm_T> karim_: no, I'm not girl nor pretty, so stop that
[09:55] <DaSkreech> !women
[09:55] <ubotu> The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[09:55] <fdoving> healingdread: http://freenode.net/news.shtml
[09:56] <healingdread> thanks brb
[09:57] <healingdread> once again symathy to all who knew him.
[09:57] <DaSkreech> healingdread: Yeah it's horrible news
[09:58] <omega> Hello.
[09:58] <healingdread> obviously a popular guy. we must remember to celebrate the lives of those who leave us
[09:58] <healingdread> and remember the lessons they teach
[09:59] <omega> I have a SATA drive and an IDE one. Windows is installed on the SATA one and the IDE is empty. Can I install kubuntu on the IDE one and still dual boot properly? No problems with booting SATA drives or anything?
[09:59] <healingdread> the name is unfamiliar to me. i just installed linux this week
[10:00] <healingdread> dont know. i have 2 ide. one on each for now
[10:00] <healingdread> no obvious problems there tho
[10:00] <ge2x> could som1 plz help me i installed the nvidia-glx drivers but sometimes my computer just freezes and the only thing left for me to do is push reset
[10:00] <omega> used to be like that for me too, but I bought some new hardware, so I'm not sure.
[10:01] <healingdread> whats the differencew betwwen ide and sata?
[10:02] <cango_> help i can't play my mp3's
[10:03] <ge2x> i believe that linux isn't meant to be a desktop but just a server
[10:03] <scion> healingdread: ide is slower then SATA and SATA uses different power molex and connector
[10:03] <scion> healingdread: SATA does not use a standard ribbon IDE cable
[10:04] <luca_b> ge2x: I disagree as I use it for work, on non-programming related tasks
[10:04] <inam> !easyubuntu
[10:04] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[10:04] <inam> !easyubuntu > cango_
[10:05] <healingdread> so sata would require a different motherboard?
[10:05] <scion> cango_: what media player are you using?
[10:05] <cango_> mp3s
[10:05] <cango_> amarok
[10:05] <scion> healingdread: the connectors come on most new motherboards
[10:06] <TheGateKeeper> scion: I am told that you can  use: 'mountconfig' program
[10:06] <scion> healingdread: however you can buy a PCI adapter card
[10:06] <inam> cango_, check out http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/get.html
[10:06] <scion> TheGateKeeper: thanks for the advice, i will investigate
[10:06] <Creedence> hey dudes, anyone having problems installing flashplayer-nonfree
[10:06] <cango_> what can i do
[10:06] <TheGateKeeper> scion: you using edge?
[10:06] <cango_> i am rookie for linux
[10:07] <inam> !restricted formats
[10:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:07] <scion> cango_: i am currently setting up this now myself... bear with me
[10:07] <scion> TheGateKeeper: Dapper Drake
[10:07] <TheGateKeeper> Creedence: yes hang on...
[10:07] <Creedence> TheGateKeeper, gotta restart X, brb :)
[10:07] <inam> cango_, kubuntu does not support mp3 out of the box. please read the links on RestrictedFormats
[10:08] <ep> In Firefox, I can select File | New Window and a new instance of Firefox will pop up quickly.  However, If I do the same thing from the K-Menu or from the icon on the panel, I get a busy-cursor for a minute or so, eventually failing. Why the difference?  The command on the menu is "firefox %u"
[10:08] <healingdread> thanks scion
[10:08] <healingdread> maybe one day
[10:08] <cango_> now i must converse mp3 to ogg
[10:08] <inam> cango_, if you still want to install mp3 codecs, please go to http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/get.html and run the four commands
[10:08] <cango_> didn'T it
[10:09] <DaSkreech> can I refresh a users login?
[10:09] <DaSkreech> set it all back to default?
[10:09] <scion> DaSkreech: easier making a new user
[10:09] <healingdread> scion. ok. on that topic...
[10:10] <healingdread> how would i add a user to this os
[10:10] <healingdread> its not obvious to me
[10:10] <DaSkreech> scion: So  back up the old user and  recreate it?
[10:11] <cango_> how to how to how to
[10:11] <healingdread> only way to learn my friend
[10:11] <cango_> i don't listen my mp3 %
[10:11] <cango_> & midis
[10:12] <scion> DaSkreech: create new user and with sudo copy from old user folder into new user folder... then delete old user folder from your /home/
[10:12] <ep> Also, If I can launch new windows quickly in a terminal by just typing 'firefox'... I think I'll try editing k-menu and just ditching the '%u' in the command field
[10:12] <DaSkreech> cango_: did you install libxine-extracodecs?
[10:12] <cango_> i don't know
[10:12] <DaSkreech> scion: huh?
[10:12] <jmichaelx> has there been any fix for the faulty flash-plugin update from a few days to go?
[10:12] <Creedence> TheGreatOne
[10:12] <Creedence> sorry I am back
[10:12] <DaSkreech> scion: I want a clean user with the same name
[10:12] <cango_> i am a new yuser for linux
[10:13] <healingdread> cango me also. installed this week
[10:13] <scion> DaSkreech: Then the backup option, then delete then create is what you need to do
[10:13] <healingdread> welcome i think
[10:13] <inam> cango_, can you open konsole ?
[10:13] <healingdread> glad to be aboard i must say
[10:13] <ge2x> cango_ well i recommend u to go back to windows or any other operating system cause kubuntu is UNSTABLE for me
[10:13] <Creedence> I guess he left
[10:13] <cango_> how can i open console
[10:13] <Creedence> anyone else having problems installing flashplayer-nonfree?
[10:13] <MasterEvilAce> these were kept-back in upgrading....  linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic
[10:13] <MasterEvilAce> how can i find out why?
[10:14] <DaSkreech> scion: backup option being an actual --backup to some command or the copy thing you said above :)
[10:14] <inam> cango_, go to k-menu -> system -> konsole
[10:15] <ge2x> when i enable nvidia drivers my computer keeps crashing and then the only thingi can do is to push reset cause it wont listen to anything else
[10:15] <ge2x> now where is your so called stable linux now?
[10:15] <MasterEvilAce> ge2x: don't blame linux for other package's problems :P
[10:15] <scion> DaSkreech: just copy existing files into a temp directory using sudo
[10:16] <MasterEvilAce> ge2x: but how is it "crashing" ?? pure black screen, nothing else, at a certain point?
[10:16] <ge2x> oh so its nvidias fault is it? then why do i need an os that doesnt have the most important drivers
[10:16] <ep> ge2x linux didn't crash, it's stable
[10:16] <healingdread> ge2x i have a thing called kaffeine which seems to play dvd etc or am i missing your problem?
[10:16] <ge2x> it just freezes
[10:16] <ge2x> the screen just freezes
[10:17] <ep> linux didn't freeze
[10:17] <ge2x> and then nothing works: num lock wont even turn off
[10:18] <ge2x> i press ctrl+alt+backspace the screen goes black and when i press another key nothing happens
[10:18] <ge2x> ep ok ok smart guy linux didnt freeze kubuntu or kde did
[10:19] <MasterEvilAce> How can i find out WHY packages were kept-back from upgrading?
[10:19] <scion> cango_: console is in start>system>konsole
[10:20] <ge2x> for me at least windows is much stable: at least the main drivers work
[10:21] <Creedence> ge2x, I can understand you being frustrated that you can't get things exactly as you want them, you have to admit that out of the box it ran really smoothly didn't it?
[10:21] <scion> ge2x: bad driver!
[10:22] <fdoving> MasterEvilAce: apt-get -s install 'packagenames'
[10:22] <ge2x> scion but i installed from synaptis
[10:22] <fdoving> MasterEvilAce: that -s is for 'simulate'
[10:23] <Creedence> ge2x, can I ask why exactly you want to run the new NVidia drivers? Were you trying to do something that you weren't able to without them?
[10:23] <scion> ge2x: exactly thats the problem
[10:23] <ge2x> i am trying to play quake3
[10:23] <Creedence> ge2x, ahhh.
[10:23] <scion> ahh i got that running, and castle wolfenstein
[10:24] <MasterEvilAce> linux-headers-generic: Depends: linux-headers-2.6.17-9-generic but it is not installable............ how in the WORLD are these packages trying to install headers that aren't on the REPO, yet??? 2.6.17-8 is the newest
[10:24] <scion> ge2x: what card do you have?? ati?
[10:24] <Creedence> ge2x, what can do you have?
[10:24] <ge2x> nvidia ti4200
[10:25] <ge2x> scion do u think im stupid - trying to install nvidia drivers on an ati card?
[10:25] <scion> cango_: in adept search for libxine-extracodecs, just got mp3 setup there
[10:26] <Creedence> ge2x, I think you should try the more up to date ones from Nvidia.com. If I remember right your card is pretty new and Nvidia has instructions how to install.
[10:26] <scion> ge2x: no, i asked a basic/standard question
[10:26] <MasterEvilAce> Is it recommended FrameBuffer be on or off?
[10:26] <Creedence> ge2x: I think they are here - http://www.nvidia.com/page/partner_certified_drivers.html
[10:26] <scion> ge2x: its rude to ask for help and then come out with comments like that
[10:27] <ge2x> ok ok im sorry im just very upset
[10:28] <Creedence> ge2x, please understand if you aren't used to linux then it will take some time. Of and on I played around with Linux for a couple of years until I made the 'switch'
[10:28] <ge2x> i also tried to install those drivers from nvidia.com but then the konsole told me that i should shutdown the x server to install or somethin
[10:28] <Creedence> ge2x, if you have more time it might be quicker for you
[10:29] <Creedence> ge2x, okay... I don't know how but I think if you ask here some would help you do that.
[10:29] <ge2x> ok if i tell u what errors the installation spits out will u help me?
[10:30] <ge2x> You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before installing.
[10:30] <ge2x> could som1 plz help me what should i do now?
[10:31] <scion> ge2x: all ya gotta do is print off the docs, quit x server then follow the docs
[10:31] <Creedence> ge2x, it looks like you are installing from within konsole
[10:31] <ge2x> yep
[10:31] <ge2x> where do i get the docs?
[10:32] <Creedence> scion, how do you quit X without shutting down? I can't rememnber
[10:32] <scion> ge2x: did you happen to come accross a .run file
[10:32] <scion> Creedence: i think it is stop x
[10:32] <Creedence> ge2x, look here http://www.nvidia.com/object/driver_installation_hints.html
[10:32] <scion> the opposite to start x... lol
[10:32] <scion> ge2x: ok reading now
[10:32] <ge2x> yep
[10:32] <Creedence> scion - hahaha, stupid logic!!!
[10:33] <Creedence> ge2x, so print those off
[10:33] <scion> Creedence: lol
[10:33] <Creedence> ge2x, do what scion asked to stop X, you may need to access anothe terminal, you can do that by pressing ctrl-alt F6 and logging on
[10:33] <healingdread> i feel that linux is gonna be a trip
[10:34] <Creedence> remember unless you have 2 pcs you lose us in the process :)
[10:34] <Creedence> healingdread - what do u mean?
[10:34] <scion> ge2x: "Windows Control Panel"
[10:34] <sangeli> Hi, I just finished installing kubuntu and am working on customizations. Can someone please help me with setting up proper video card? I have a nVidia 6600 GT
[10:34] <healingdread> creedence i just got a good feeling is all
[10:34] <scion> ge2x: whats the exact model of card
[10:35] <Creedence> sangeli - hehe, kinda funny we just are in the middle with ge2x
[10:35] <ge2x> geforce titanium 4200 (ti4200)
[10:35] <scion> okok
[10:35] <Creedence> sangeli - can I ask why you wanna update?
[10:35] <Creedence> did you try something that didn't work?
[10:35] <ge2x> You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before
[10:35] <ge2x>          installing.
[10:35] <ge2x> oh sorry about that :)
[10:35] <ge2x> http://www.nvidia.com/object/driver_installation_hints.html these are for windows
[10:35] <sangeli> Creedence, sure: because I wish to switch from "nv" to "nvidia"
[10:36] <Creedence> healingdread - it's good for people who want something different... who like to play, you know.... us geeks :)
[10:36] <sangeli> Creedence, so I can use propretary nvidia drivers
[10:36] <Creedence> sangeli - why though? do you want to run something specific that doesn't work with nv?
[10:36] <healingdread> creedence i got that
[10:37] <luluza> who using team speak??
[10:37] <healingdread> it's all greek to me
[10:37] <sangeli> Creedence, nv is drivers that are shipped with kernel. nvidia are drivers provided by nvidia and usually are more updated too
[10:37] <ironfroggy> is it possible to have firefox plugins play sound through arts? i tried setting arts in the firefoxrc, but it doesnt seem to work.
[10:37] <sangeli> now, anybody know how to upgrade drivers?
[10:37] <ironfroggy> that is, it cant play sound if any KDE apps are playing something.
[10:37] <Creedence> sangeli - i agree but I figure if it ain't broke.... hehehe
[10:37] <Creedence> sangeli - i used the automatix, some people in here aren't fans but it worked for me
[10:38] <sangeli> I see
[10:38] <Creedence> http://www.getautomatix.com/
[10:38] <ge2x> omg so did everybody forget about me what should i do to install those drivers
[10:38] <h3sp4wn> nvidia has just released beta drivers with aiglx support (I would use those with xorg 7.1 and edgy - if I had an nvidia)
[10:38] <Creedence> ge2x, like I was telling sangeli - maybe instead of using nvidia.com drivers you should try using automatix at the site I wrote above
[10:39] <Creedence> it's a script
[10:39] <Creedence> VERY NICE
[10:40] <scion> ge2x: 32bit or 64bit system
[10:40] <inam> i know this sounds silly, but im trying to compile banner.c and it says it cant find stdio.h... now which package has stdio.h?
[10:40] <sangeli> is glx working, transparencies too?
[10:40] <ge2x> 32bit
[10:40] <sangeli> yes
[10:41] <scion> ge2x: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.0-0310.html
[10:42] <scion> ge2x: this is the .run file... similar to the ati installer
[10:43] <scion> ge2x: a graphical installer that is
[10:43] <scion> ge2x: STEP 2 - instead of sh its sudo
[10:43] <Creedence> gotta jet guys
[10:43] <ge2x> but that is nforce driver
[10:44] <Creedence> see you later
[10:44] <fdoving> inam: that's not a silly question.
[10:44] <scion> ge2x: excuse me - http://www.nvidia.com/object/nzone_downloads_linux_display_x86_1.0-9625.html
[10:44] <MadRabbit> !sudo
[10:44] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:44] <zorglu_> scion: yep, be sorry :)
[10:45] <scion> the search came with 100% related :P - http://www.nvidia.com/page/search.html?page=1&keywords=ti4200+linux&booleanMode=0
[10:45] <fdoving> inam: it's in the 'libc6-dev' package.
[10:45] <scion> ge2x: i'm not really sorry - I have my card pumping out quake 3
[10:45] <scion> ge2x: lmao
[10:46] <ge2x> oh and why the beta driver?
[10:46] <inam> thanks fdoving... im installing... :)
[10:47] <scion> ge2x: because from other results google spat out it appears to work just fine
[10:47] <fdoving> inam: in the future you can go to http://packages.ubuntu.com to find out what package has what files.
[10:50] <luca_b> For those apt with the command line, there is a nifty command for that
[10:50] <sangeli> what about firefox plugins? How to install them all?
[10:57] <Homer> !tribler
[10:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tribler - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:57] <Homer> !info tribler
[10:57] <ubotu> Package tribler does not exist in any distro I know
[10:57] <Homer> :\
[11:03] <scion> Homer: looks like compiling the source is your only option!
[11:08] <luca_b> !info kile
[11:08] <ubotu> kile: KDE Integrated LaTeX Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.8.1-3.2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 1242 kB, installed size 5512 kB
[11:09] <ge2x> hey how to exit the x server plz help me im trying to install the nvidia drivers
[11:10] <mluser-work> how stable/unstable is edgy in general?
[11:10] <scott_w|lappy> it makes windows look stable >.>
[11:10] <scott_w|lappy> :p
[11:10] <mluser-work> :)
[11:11] <Assassin5> !scanner
[11:11] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[11:12] <ge2x> !x
[11:12] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:13] <scott_w|lappy> !kde
[11:13] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[11:13] <scott_w|lappy> cool
[11:13] <host-one> what program can burn .bin image?
[11:14] <ge2x> omg could som1 plzz tell me how to stop the dammned x server
[11:15] <mrbrdo> is making mp3\wma (restricted types) the same as with Ubuntu?
[11:15] <fdoving> ge2x: stop? 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop'
[11:15] <fdoving> mrbrdo: not mp3,if you want to use amarok. it's all explained on the wiki pages.
[11:15] <fdoving> !mp3
[11:15] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:15] <mrbrdo> aha so it's the same
[11:15] <mrbrdo> oh
[11:16] <mrbrdo> ok well thanks :)
[11:17] <mrbrdo> amarok updates are broken right?
[11:17] <mrbrdo> on dapper
[11:18] <host-one> what program can burn .bin image?
[11:18] <Assassin5> host-one, pretty sure k3b can.
[11:19] <mrbrdo> btw, can adept manage packages like gstreamer etc., or u must install such by aptitude?
[11:19] <mrbrdo> since it was possible in synaptics but adapt doesn't find packages like this
[11:19] <fdoving> host-one: as assassin5 says, k3b can.
[11:19] <mrbrdo> only kde\gnome packages
[11:19] <host-one> whit k3b I burn iso or cue image
[11:19] <fdoving> mrbrdo: you can use adept for that, it's the same list of packages.
[11:20] <mrbrdo> fdoving: when i search for gstreamer, nothing shows up but some "multimedia selector" package
[11:20] <fdoving> mrbrdo: make sure you're not in 'add/remove programs mode".
[11:20] <mrbrdo> oooh
[11:20] <mrbrdo> ok :)
[11:20] <mrbrdo> i thought it was the same thing
[11:20] <fdoving> mrbrdo: start adept from 'kmenu -> system -> adept manager'
[11:20] <host-one> but when I click with right mouse on file.bine he didn't say burn image whit k3b
[11:20] <mrbrdo> yep got it
[11:20] <mrbrdo> thanks a bunch
[11:21] <mrbrdo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats says i need gstreamer0.8-mad.. can i use the 0.10 version? (for mp3 support)
[11:22] <mrbrdo> hm is there one anyway?
[11:22] <mrbrdo> or only 0.8 has mad
[11:25] <fdoving> mrbrdo: i belive you're looking at the ubuntu spesific section. find the kubuntu one.
[11:25] <fdoving> s/c
[11:27] <mrbrdo> nope
[11:27] <mrbrdo> it's for both..
[11:27] <mrbrdo> anyway, which package for mp3 and wma.. gstreamer0.8-mad didn't work, i think it's using gstreamer 0.10
[11:29] <Assassin5> which package can i get the scanner kernel module from?
[11:29] <mrbrdo> hm it actually seems to be using xine (amarok)
[11:30] <cronen> anyone runnin' NoMachine's Free NX server?  not FreeNX
[11:33] <mrbrdo> how to put mp3 support into amarok? the wiki entry is either wrong or old
[11:34] <fdoving> mrbrdo: http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s might be helpfull.
[11:35] <P4ck3t> well /dev/ttyS0 is for serial devices.... if it will be usb devices then what path i have to give ???
[11:35] <mrbrdo> better, thanks
[11:35] <mrbrdo> hm
[11:35] <mrbrdo> fdoving: i already did install libxine-extracodecs though, and amarok still won't play mp3s
[11:36] <mrbrdo> do i need to reboot? :O
[11:36] <mrbrdo> nvm works now
[11:36] <fdoving> mrbrdo: no, that shouldn't be neccessary.. did you restart amarok? select the xine engine?
[11:36] <fdoving> good :)
[11:37] <kyaneos> has someone problems updating flashplugin-nonfree?? please
[11:37] <mrbrdo> how to make a window (kopete contact list) remember where it was so it places itself there every time it's restarted
[11:38] <kyaneos> mrbrdo: i think in kcontrol --> windows specific settings
[11:39] <fdoving> mrbrdo: rightclick on the tittlebar -> advanced -> special window settings.. or something like that.
[11:39] <mrbrdo> fdoving: any other way? i have xgl\compiz and i don't have those menus anymore
[11:39] <mrbrdo> kyaneos: let me see
[11:39] <loverboy> hello
[11:40] <loverboy> can somebody help me about fglrx drivers?
[11:41] <mrbrdo> yeah loverboy
[11:41] <mrbrdo> i just installed them on my kubuntu dapper
[11:41] <mrbrdo> working pretty nice for now :)
[11:41] <loverboy> things is like this
[11:41] <loverboy> i have onley piece of driver not full
[11:42] <loverboy> works on suse 10 fine
[11:42] <loverboy> convert from rpm to deb
[11:42] <loverboy> now driver are loaded bud in lsmod is zero ( 0 ) by fglrx
[11:43] <mrbrdo> hm
[11:43] <mrbrdo> well
[11:43] <mrbrdo> i suggest u follow a ubuntu\kubuntu howto, that will be the easiest way for you
[11:43] <loverboy> when i try dpkg reconfigure with fglrx cant log in x server
[11:43] <mrbrdo> !ati
[11:43] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:43] <mrbrdo> try this
[11:43] <kyaneos> loverboy: what is fglrx??
[11:43] <mrbrdo> kyaneos: ATI binary driver
[11:43] <loverboy> name of the driver
[11:43] <kyaneos> oh okis, thanks
[11:44] <loverboy> brdo da nisi neki balkanac?
[11:44] <mrbrdo> slovenac :)
[11:44] <loverboy> xex
[11:44] <loverboy> jos tipkamo engleski :)
[11:44] <fdoving> mrbrdo: for your placement issue, you can try this command: kwin_rules_dialog --wid `dcop kopete mainWindow getWinID`
[11:44] <mrbrdo> lol ok :)
[11:44] <mrbrdo> fdoving: i'm using cgwd not kwin
[11:44] <loverboy> e nemogu skidati punu verziju .run imam dial up :(((
[11:45] <sybux> I've got some problem with the installation of a 686 kernel. When I start X, it stop on the Kubutnu picture. any idea ?
[11:45] <fdoving> mrbrdo: ah.. then you're out of luck.
[11:45] <mrbrdo> loverboy: i still recommend following the wiki anyway :) it may be that your suse package isn't even compatible with kubuntu
[11:45] <mrbrdo> fdoving: :)
[11:46] <loverboy> thats package from ati
[11:46] <loverboy> converted by alien
[11:46] <socres__> ES GEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHT
[11:46] <mrbrdo> loverboy: oh!
[11:46] <cronen> speaking of suse.. any converts from suse to kubuntu?
[11:46] <mrbrdo> loverboy: sec plz
[11:47] <mrbrdo> loverboy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI scroll down to section 4. Using the drivers from ati.com
[11:47] <mrbrdo> loverboy: if that's something that you did, then just start from where u ended
[11:47] <loverboy> mrbrdo thnks hope this works!
[11:47] <mrbrdo> hope so too :)
[11:47] <loverboy> ziv bio brate :)
[11:48] <loverboy> cheers...
[11:48] <mrbrdo> :P
[11:48] <mrbrdo> neighbour country :)
[11:49] <mrbrdo> what's "wacom" for?
[11:49] <mrbrdo> i get errors about it in xorg log, can i remove it from xorg.conf?
[11:49] <fdoving> tablets
[11:49] <fdoving> you sure can.
[11:49] <mrbrdo> i don't need that then
[11:49] <LeeJunFan> mrbrdo: yeah, but it doesn't hurt to leave there.
[11:49] <mrbrdo> LeeJunFan: don't like errors :P
[11:50] <LeeJunFan> it's just telling you it didn't find it.
[11:50] <mrbrdo> i don't own a tablet so i guess i'll never need that
[11:51] <mrbrdo> hm i gotta say kubuntu works great
[11:52] <mrbrdo> had many problems in ubuntu but not here.. maybe it's because of a clean install though :)
[11:52] <pcastro> anyone install ant-optional in kubuntu?
[11:52] <cronen> hehe
[11:52] <cronen> mrbrdo - you using synaptic or adept to install stuff?
[11:52] <cronen> I'm new to kubuntu
[11:52] <cronen> never used ubuntu
[11:52] <pcastro> i try apt-get install ant-optional but says package is not available
[11:52] <cronen> or any debian based release :P
[11:53] <mrbrdo> cronen: i use adept now
[11:53] <mrbrdo> cronen: or aptitude
[11:53] <cronen> any reason?
[11:53] <pcastro> tried synaptic but no ant-optional
[11:53] <cronen> ok.. what's ant-optional?
[11:53] <mrbrdo> cronen: cause it's made for kubuntu and synaptics is made for ubuntu :)
[11:53] <mrbrdo> cronen: it's pretty nice tho, looks even better than synaptics (adept that is)
[11:54] <cronen> hrrmm.. I kinda like how synaptic arranges things
[11:54] <mrbrdo> only started using it now but i like it
[11:54] <pcastro> ant-optional is optional packages for ANT :-)
[11:54] <mrbrdo> cronen: for example?
[11:54] <cronen> hehe .. ahh pcastro
[11:54] <ryanakca> !restricted
[11:54] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:54] <cronen> there's that left pane.. I can easily select sections
[11:54] <mattikoo> What is right NVAgp value in xorg.conf  for geforce MX400?
[11:54] <pcastro> contains things like replaceregexp and other optional ant tasks
[11:54] <cronen> and I seem to like the search tool better
[11:55] <mrbrdo> cronen: oh well, i guess u'll get used to it :P i'd recommend using it over synaptics, because u need gnome libs for synaptics
[11:55] <cronen> the only thing that's weird is that sometimes... when I install an app.. the terminal window is waiting for a response
[11:55] <cronen> and I dont' know it.. so it seems like it's hanging
[11:55] <cronen> this could be the issue I'm having :P
[11:56] <mrbrdo> terminal window?
[11:56] <cronen> yeah
[11:56] <mrbrdo> what does it have to do with adept?
[11:56] <cronen> nothing.. but when I run synaptic I've had this problem
[11:56] <cronen> it's like an ncurses app
[11:56] <mrbrdo> synaptic is a gnome app afaik
[11:56] <cronen> for example on the postfix install
[11:57] <mrbrdo> if you mean synaptic from ubuntu
[11:57] <cronen> I'll stick with adept then
[11:57] <cronen> yeah that one
[11:57] <swatgoss> re all
[11:57] <mrbrdo> cronen: if u want a ncurses (or something like it, not sure) packet manager, try aptitude
[11:58] <mrbrdo> cronen: i'm sure we'll get used to adept :) it's not all that bad, we just need to adapt :P
[11:58] <cronen> nod... I'll play with adept some more
[11:58] <mrbrdo> anyway, i've got a question
[11:58] <cronen> woot.. got firefox updated :)
[11:58] <mattikoo> cronen: I have synaptic in kubuntu
[11:58] <mrbrdo> i've got 2 cards, but i'd like an easy way to switch between them when i want
[11:58] <mrbrdo> how can i do that
[11:58] <cronen> dunno much about multicard stuff
[11:59] <mrbrdo> cronen: u can install synaptics ofc, but it's a gnome app in essence :)
[11:59] <cronen> oh yeah mattikoo?
[11:59] <mattikoo> cronen: I had problems when I installed it
[11:59] <cronen> mattikoo: it's ok for the most part but sometimes it attempts to launch a ghome window
[11:59] <cronen> mattikoo: and I only saw that when I expanded the 'terminal' option
[12:00] <mrbrdo> ;P
[12:00] <cronen> so... going with adept :P
[12:00] <LeeJunFan> when it comes to GUI I like synaptic better, but 99.9% of the time I use apt-get and apt-cache on the command line anyway...
[12:00] <cronen> alright everyone .. have fun kubuntuing... kubuntu rocks btw :)
[12:06] <klerfayt> I can't eject dvd - "umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy"
[12:08] <fdoving> klerfayt: try 'sudo umount -l /media/cdrom0' (the -l is for lazy)
[12:08] <fdoving> i'm going to bed. nite.
[12:08] <knithx> I am having problems with xgl compiz
[12:08] <Mortice> !xgl
[12:08] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[12:09] <klerfayt> fdoving: it worked; any idea why it was busy?
[12:10] <knithx> I have ATI
[12:10] <knithx> :S
[12:10] <fdoving> klerfayt: something used it. don't know what, it's too late to find out now. :)
[12:10] <gnomefreak> btw guys dappers compiz is broken (trying to install) just letting you know
[12:10] <gnomefreak> and the warning was placed on the page :) good