[12:15] boricua: which bug? [12:15] kiko: https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileAxZJP3.html [12:15] 40460 and 52648 [12:16] https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1012150&group_id=74338&atid=540672. [12:16] kiko: ^ [12:16] Sourceforge bug 1012150 "Foo.selectBy(column=None) should issue '... column IS NULL'" [Pri: 5,Closed] [12:16] wow [12:16] you rock Ubugtu! [12:17] kiko: did you copy? [12:18] boricua: both are Ubuntu bugs. You can try #ubuntu-bugs or #ubuntu for help on them. [12:21] matsubara:both are pretty old [12:24] boricua: did you try #ubuntu-bugs? they usually have lots of people there from the BugSquad team. They can help triage those one and perhaps increase its importance. [12:50] New bug: #61757 in launchpad "SQLObject Foo.selectBy(column=None) doesn't work as expected." 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[09:18] alanhs: what do you need? [09:21] I just happened across one of the projects, that just points to a porn site, and I wanted to know how to report it. [09:22] we should have a "report as inappropriate" button for logged-in users to use. [09:22] alanhs: please /msg me the details and I'll look into it [09:23] I'm a launchpad administrator, by the way, not just some random person who is interested in porn in launchpad. [09:24] SteveA:LOL! Sorry I am not very familiar with IRC, I just sent you a private message (I think!) [09:24] yes, thanks === Kylekf [n=Kyle@61.6.65.122] has joined #launchpad [09:33] alanhs: thank you. I've removed the link to the product's homepage. When the DBA is around, he'll remove the product from Launchpad. [09:34] SteveA: Your welcome. === mantiena [n=jonas@ctv-84-55-5-47.init.lt] has joined #launchpad [09:35] Hi all === Spads [n=spacehob@host-87-74-83-75.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #launchpad [09:37] Maybe someone can help me ? I can't register releases for our distribution - when I go to http://launchpad.net/distros/baltix/+addrelease I get an error message :( [09:37] Not allowed here [09:37] Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page. [09:37] You are logged in as Mantas Kriauinas. [09:38] mantiena: adding a release has big implications for the data in Launchpad. please talk with kiko about it when kiko is around in a few hours. [09:39] SteveA, labas [09:39] labas, mantai [09:40] SteveA, how is your Lithuanian now ? ;) [09:41] spiv: ping [09:41] SteveA: pong [09:41] mantiena: same as always, very basic :-) === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad [10:14] mpt: pign [10:15] oh, mpt is off today, swapped for tomomrrow [10:15] I remember now === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === _thumper_ [n=tim@host86-141-71-114.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #launchpad [10:22] SteveA, btw, maybe you can help me with rosetta ? previously rosetta had an ability to display more than 10 strings at once, but now I can't do this :( === jml [n=nnnnnjml@203-217-8-89.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #launchpad [10:27] mantiena: you still can do it [10:27] but we are using the standard batching system in launchpad [10:27] so the var name changed too [10:27] carlos, what ??? [10:28] mantiena: instead of count= use batch= [10:28] mantiena: but take care that if the amount of messages is too high you will get timeout errors [10:28] carlos, strange name for count ;) [10:29] mantiena: it's 'batch size' :-P [10:29] carlos, btw, maybe now rosetta has an ability to search in translations ? [10:29] not yet [10:29] :( [10:29] but danilo has already that task in his plate [10:29] :) [10:41] carlos: what do I do with bugs like https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/file-roller/+bug/61840 ? [10:41] Malone bug 61840 in file-roller "Translation of file-roller's manual" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] [10:43] seb128: you need to download the .po files manually and include it inside the package... [10:43] seb128: Mark didn't answer my email yet [10:45] carlos: that is not an option, we don't have enough package maintainer to start updating packages every time a translator do a change [10:45] seb128: dude, please, stop that [10:45] we already talked about it [10:45] if anybody cares, the python import is now up to 33700 commits and rising [10:45] and it's pending for Mark's input [10:45] I know it's hard [10:46] you asked me about how to handle it [10:46] and I told you how it works right now, I agrees already with you that it sucks [10:46] carlos: right, ok, I'm mentionning again because we start getting bugs [10:46] s/agrees/agreed/ [10:46] right === matthewrevell [i=synchron@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #launchpad [10:46] seb128: answer the email I sent last week about it pointing to the bug, please [10:46] It's not in my hands right now [10:47] I'm not importing any new .pot file with this problem until we get an answer, but the previous ones are still there === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@c5100BC63.inet.catch.no] has joined #launchpad [10:51] hi guys [10:51] who is the soyuz guru here? [10:51] morning, big fabio [10:51] i think Mithrandir and I found a glitch [10:51] hey SteveA [10:52] fabbione: celso or malcc [10:52] malcolm isn't around today [10:52] but malcc is on a week-end [10:52] celso will be in later on [10:52] and celso is still sleeping [10:52] ok [10:52] fabbione: can it wait a few hours, or is it really urgent? [10:52] it's not urgent. [10:52] SteveA: FYI: we found something that might require some urgent fixing... [10:52] SteveA: not for today [10:53] okay, but you want to get it discussed / understood today [10:53] as in, we want it fixed well before beta (which is in six days), but not urgent like "wake up celso" urgent. [10:53] but it might require some manual love immediatly after beta release and way before final [10:53] I see [10:53] okay. I'll tell celso when I see him [10:53] colie [10:53] coolie, even [10:53] perfect thanks === Spads [n=spacehob@82.211.81.249] has joined #launchpad [10:59] ddaa: do you have 10 mins for a chat sometime? [11:00] Sure, right now. I was doing daily email. [11:02] k === jamesh [n=james@203-59-208-48.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #launchpad === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #launchpad [12:29] carlos: please export the OOo language data from edgy after the import of the new 2.0.4 upload [12:32] doko_: ok === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@c5100BC63.inet.catch.no] has left #launchpad [] [12:32] but that will be for next Monday [12:32] doko_: OO.org takes a couple of days to be imported [12:33] and the queue is full of kde .po files [12:33] that will delay it a bit more === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@138.Red-81-39-35.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [12:42] carlos: wb [12:43] seb128: still broken :-( === carlos [n=carlos@138.Red-81-39-35.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [12:47] seb128: could you ping me? [12:47] carlos: wb [12:47] no, same problem [12:47] :( [12:47] do you have the same issue with a C locale or an another user on the same box? [12:47] it only uses configuration inside .xchat2/ right? [12:47] I've to go for lunch now [12:47] right [12:47] ok [12:47] I will try that [12:47] some issues are locale dependant though [12:47] seb128: thanks [12:47] let me know, I'll reply after lunch [12:48] ok [12:48] enjoy your lunch! === carlos [n=carlos@138.Red-81-39-35.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === carlos_ [n=carlos@138.Red-81-39-35.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [12:59] carlos: test === carlos_ [n=carlos@138.Red-81-39-35.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #launchpad ["Ex-Chat"] === lfittl [n=lfittl@194.50.115.210] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@138.Red-81-39-35.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [01:09] can multiple instances of launchpad work together to provide sharing of bugs etc across products/distributions? [01:14] LarstiQ: do you mean installing launchpad in other place other than current launchpad.net ? [01:14] atm we have more than one instance running, but sharing the same database [01:16] carlos: yes, say, python.org [01:17] I don't think we support that yet [01:17] unless we host the system [01:17] so it has direct access to our database [01:17] I know that there were some thoughts about how to handle that, but I don't know its status === LarstiQ would be interested in that === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d83-176-76-102.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad [01:19] LarstiQ: you will need to talk with Steve or kiko about it === Nafallo [n=nafallo@silverfairy.magicalforest.se] has joined #launchpad [01:20] carlos, good morning. [01:20] carlos: thanks [01:20] AlinuxOS: morning [01:21] carlos, coul you please change owner status from Alexander to me (for Georgian team) [01:22] AlinuxOS: sorry, I don't have enough permissions for that, you will need to ask an admin https://launchpad.net/people/admins [01:22] LarstiQ: you are welcome [01:22] carlos, ok. [01:22] thank you for info ;) [01:23] lifeless, ping [01:25] SteveA, ping [01:27] AlinuxOS: hi [01:27] SteveA, hello, I would like to ask you something... [01:27] could you please change owner status from Alexander to me (for Georgian team) [01:28] can't Alexander do that? [01:28] https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-ka [01:28] mmm no. [01:28] he only changed from Owner to Administrator... [01:28] but can't give me owners permissions. [01:32] SteveA, can you help me, please ? [01:33] you are Vladimer Sichinava ? [01:33] yes. [01:33] GNOME's GTP coordinator. [01:33] why do you need to be the owner of this team? === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #launchpad [01:35] I want to understand why I'm doing something, if I'm to use my administrative responsibilities [01:35] because Alexander is not active this period. So I'll manage translators for ubuntu too. [01:35] ok [01:35] SteveA, thanks ;) [01:35] I'm still surprised that Alexander can't transfer ownership to you. [01:35] but I'll transfer it to you === matthewrevell [i=synchron@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #launchpad [01:36] SteveA, I don't really know...because I can't see his menu bar.. [01:36] you can now, as you are the owner [01:36] SteveA, thanks I'll check it now. [01:36] ok [01:37] SteveA, thanks again...it's ok now. [01:39] SteveA: did you see my question (half an hour ago) about multiple launchpad installs (without the same database) working together? === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@201.10.93.152] has joined #launchpad === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #launchpad [01:40] Hello. Who should I ask if I want a copy of dpkg 1.13.22ubuntu1, which isn't in pool/ any more ? [01:40] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dpkg has a link to it but it goes to an oops page. [01:41] Or rather, a page not found. [01:41] OOPS-265D362 [01:41] https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/265D362 [01:44] iwj: you'd need to ask one of the soyuz guys. I'm not sure why that link isn't there. [01:45] hmmm [01:45] spiv: is not that link [01:45] Pages for the corresponding binary packages work... [01:45] only latest one works [01:45] carlos: Right. === Burgwork [n=corey@d64-180-214-139.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #launchpad [01:46] spiv: The soyuz guys don't hang around here ? [01:47] iwj: celso (cprov) should pop soon [01:47] iwj: malcom doesn't work today [01:47] iwj: They do. Sorry, I meant perhaps it's worth asking them directly to make sure they notice, rather than just the channel in general. [01:47] spiv: Ah, right. [01:47] Excellent. I'll go and have lunch now. My other tasks are all crazy blocked doom things at the moment so I think food and coffee are a good idea. [01:48] iwj: I look forward to using the fruits of your labour :) === spiv -> dinner [01:52] iwj: in fact, from what I see in warthogs mailing list, Celso is also offline today === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [01:57] kiko-zzz, hi, now it's a goot time to wake up ;) [02:02] iwj: cprov merged a fix for the traversal-to-removed-versions bug recently [02:02] iwj: will hopefully be in the next rollout [02:03] carlos, still online ? batch= doesn't work for me, look for example at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/gtk+2.0/+pots/gtk20-properties/lt/+translate?start=0?batch=50 [02:03] mantiena: it's start=0&batch=50 [02:04] ok, thanks [02:05] np [02:05] jamesh: hi, around? === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === erdalronahi [n=erdal@p50877515.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.200.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [02:38] jamesh: Aha, thanks. But I'm afraid I'd still like someone to help me out perhaps by fishing the files out from somewhere ? [02:39] It should be possible to find by querying the LibraryFileAlias table by filename... [02:41] I'm looking for dpkg_1.13.22ubuntu1.dsc, dpkg_1.13.22ubuntu1.tar.gz === carlos -> lunch [02:43] iwj: if spiv is not able to solve that before I'm back from lunch, I will see what I can do [02:43] iwj: give me a moment, I'll see if I have access to the right tables... [02:43] Thanks a lot. [02:50] iwj: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3325264/dpkg_1.13.22ubuntu1.dsc [02:50] iwj: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3325263/dpkg_1.13.22ubuntu1.tar.gz [02:51] Yay! Thanks. [02:51] Not a problem. [03:01] Damn, I'm afraid I want ubuntu2 and ubuntu3 as well. Sorry. [03:01] iwj: heh, ok [03:03] http://librarian.launchpad.net/3364579/dpkg_1.13.22ubuntu2.dsc [03:03] http://librarian.launchpad.net/3364578/dpkg_1.13.22ubuntu2.tar.gz [03:04] ircii | xargs wget [03:04] http://librarian.launchpad.net/3513772/dpkg_1.13.22ubuntu3.dsc [03:04] http://librarian.launchpad.net/3513771/dpkg_1.13.22ubuntu3.tar.gz [03:04] iwj: haha :) [03:04] Thanks muchly. === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [03:10] morning [03:11] hello kiko [03:14] hey kiko [03:14] hey SteveA [03:14] will cprov be around? [03:14] hey LarstiQ [03:14] how's the sunshine [03:15] SteveA, no, he (and malcc) are on leave today [03:15] fabio and tollef had a soyuz bug they want to discuss [03:15] rather unfortunately [03:15] he'll be around tomorrow if thathelps [03:15] kiko: wondering about launchpad's abilities to interoperate between multiple instances (i.e., offloading products/python to python.org) [03:15] LarstiQ, you'll have to be more specific there.. [03:17] Its hard enough trying to interoperate with a central database. Distributed we just can't do without major labotimization. [03:17] kiko: A big benefit to me of launchpad is being able to easily add upstream tasks and such. Will that also work between different launchpad instances that do not share the same database? [03:17] LarstiQ, "different instances"? [03:17] LarstiQ, there is only one launchpad [03:17] kiko: so if launchpad gets chosen for python, they're going to make use of the canonical one [03:18] LarstiQ, yes. [03:18] this bothers me slightly. [03:19] ddaa: what's the status of the ubuntu-doc svn import? [03:19] LarstiQ, don't be bothered. it's all good! [03:19] kiko: I'm glad you're here :) === ddaa checks [03:20] kiko: it is however a barrier to adoption. Today I had a bit of an argument over it, where people felt the centralized nature of launchpad was bad (and it being non-free, that caused some grief) [03:20] And here I am thinking free hosting and maintenance might be a good thing. [03:21] stub: don't get me wrong, I really enjoy working with lp. [03:21] Don't get me wrong - I'm in a grumpy mood ;) [03:22] LarstiQ, what stub said. though I can see people arguing over anything, the reality is that Launchpad is engineered with the best of intentions; it is centralized, yes, but that also makes it a lot simpler [03:22] it's not every week your government gets kicked out [03:22] Nah - I just need a massage === LarstiQ hands stub some jordi pr0n to cheer him up: http://amayita.livejournal.com/77997.html [03:22] Riddell: two things [03:22] Or an ergonomic desk [03:22] Riddell: the first, that interests you most, is that it's currently blocked on cscvs bugs [03:23] no ETA for the fix [03:23] LarstiQ, are you referring to a specific python discussion? [03:23] kiko: #ironpython discussion [03:23] I see [03:24] specifically with Seo Sanghyeon [03:24] Riddell: the second, is that there seems to be some confusion around those imports [03:24] there is an import for "trunk" and one for "trunk/", one of those will have to be cleared up (tell me whether you want to clear the one in "trunk" or the one in "main"). [03:25] probably remove "main" [03:25] Riddell: Anh there is one for branches/dapper, you need to know that although that one _should_ work (when the cscvs bug is fixed), it will not be related to the one from trunk [03:26] kiko: I'm probably being overly sensitive [03:26] as in merge will not behave usefully, and history won't go past the beginning of the branch [03:26] yeah, it's friday. come on [03:26] as a policy we do not currently support imports for anything but trunk [03:27] http://isitfriday.net/? Yes! [03:27] ddaa: trunk is the only important one, dapper is unimportant [03:27] Okay, I'll clear the dapper import stuff [03:28] I'll put that import up on https://help.launchpad.net/VcsImportRequests to remember telling you when the import is complete [03:28] but do not hold your breath [03:29] ok, thanks ddaa [03:29] So what are we going to do about the existing /people, /products, /projects, /distributions and most importantly /bazaar urls? Keep them, which will involve renaming the bazaar product? Or change them to /+foo syntax ? [03:34] stub, so people I think should be separate from the other three. [03:34] stub, the other three should be rooted on / [03:34] I don't see the + syntax being anything but a hindrance here. [03:35] kiko: So is /bazaar the bazaar product or what is already /bazaar ? If the bazaar product, what happens to the existing /bazaar? [03:35] stub, that people would be separate I think was also discussed and agreed upon [03:35] stub, it becomes code.launchpad.net === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad [03:36] Ok. So that needs sorting before landing the /pillar-name stuff [03:36] Other namespace clashes can be handled with the blacklist [03:37] stub, we /could/ as an interim step move /bazaar and /malone to /+bazaar and /+malone [03:37] and /rosetta to /+rosetta [03:37] I'm not against that if it unblocks landing your branch [03:38] Do you know if code.launchpad.net, bugs.launchpad.net, translations.launchpad.net (or whatever) are 1.0 tasks? [03:38] stub, they are, yes. [03:39] Then I can leave this branch blocked and work on other stuff until that is closer to landing - it will be less work in the long run [03:39] No need to screw with the urls twice when we can just wait a bit and only do it once [03:41] stub, okay, agreed, but is there danger of everything bitrotting to hell? === Burgwork [n=corey@d64-180-214-139.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #launchpad [03:42] cod.launchpad.net sounds fishy [03:43] ddaa, is there another proposal? branches.launchpad.net? [03:43] I was just trying to be witty [03:43] code.foo.bar is establishing a standard since there is already code.google.com [03:44] translations sounds like a bit long to use :-P [03:45] i18n is more to the size :-) [03:45] so I think it's a good name overall [03:48] could be a redirector... [03:48] stub, are you game for a review of the person sort improvements and other related things? === mpt [n=mpt@203-167-187-24.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #launchpad [03:48] it's not very big.. [03:49] and it's blocking me landing this stuff [03:49] translations is good because it targets volunteers that may not be familiar with the jargon [03:50] flacoste, around? [03:50] salgado: yep [03:50] salgado: how can I help? [03:51] ddaa: except there are people doing non-code stuff too [03:51] flacoste, hi! [03:51] ddaa, rosetta.launchpad.net is still shorter :) [03:51] flacoste, I'm wondering if the 'Created' column on https://staging.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+tickets is really needed. what do you think? [03:51] LarstiQ: bzr is mainly a source code management system [03:52] people can use it for other things, but there's a clear focus on code [03:52] salgado: i think it can go away if we replace it with an age column [03:53] that's why there is only marginal interest in use cases like versioning a full home directory, /etc, or trees with huge binary files. [03:53] They are important to some people, but they are not essential to the bzr mission. [03:54] flacoste, yeah, the age would be much better, I think. but is it really useful, since we're going to close tickets after a certain period of time? [03:54] salgado: it gives an idea if the ticket is going to expire soon [03:54] flacoste, I mean, if the ticket has activity, I don't think the age is that important. and if it doesn't it will be closed [03:55] spiv: Thanks for your help. I just thought I'd let you know those files did the trick for me. [03:55] salgado: age since last activity than [03:55] flacoste, ahhh, right [03:55] salgado: but that doesn't make sense for ANSWERED, SOLVED and EXPIRED tickets which by definition won't have much activity anymore [03:56] indeed [03:56] salgado: for those the date of the last activity is more useful [03:56] spiv: do you have any way of monitoring the performance of the authserver? [03:56] spiv: and do you think maybe the logrotation you have ATM is a bit OTT? :P [03:57] salgado: on a related issue: i wondered if I should set the dateanswered attributes when a ticket is rejected or expired, and if the answerer attribute should be set [03:57] salgado: for now, i don't, but the old code did for the rejected case [03:58] salgado: if we do, i think we should rename the attribuets to dateresolved and resolver [04:02] flacoste, maybe it'd be good to have date_expired, date_answered and so on, like we have for bugtasks? [04:03] salgado: so, we'd have dateanswered, dateexpired and daterejected? would we need a datesolved? [04:04] salgado: and should we store these in the ticket table or compute them from the messages? [04:05] iwj: glad I could help [04:05] salgado: actually, dateanswered is currently the date the problem was solved [04:06] salgado: i.e. I set dateanswered only when the user confirms an answer [04:06] elmo: not really; the log files give some idea of how heavy the traffic is, and I occasionally run time python -c "import xmlrpclib; s = xmlrpclib.Server('http://localhost:8999/v2'); print s.getUser(1)" [04:06] flacoste, I'm not sure about that. it'd be good to have some use cases so that we can see what is really needed [04:06] salgado: we could also leave things as they are for now, and revisit that later on [04:07] yeah, I think this would be better [04:07] elmo: which I did just then, and the first time it took 45s, which suggests the database was locked... [04:07] salgado: we can always set the correct dates by looking a the messages history (since we have the action done on each message) [04:07] Or that the authserver has a problem I don't know about... [04:07] flacoste, indeed === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #launchpad [04:08] elmo: As for the rotation... uh, yeah :) [04:08] spiv: would it be reasonable to add a time-taken-to-complete to the log file? [04:08] so we can keep track of this? [04:08] elmo: that's a good idea. Please file a bug. [04:09] elmo: (not meaning to be rude, but I am likely to forget otherwise) [04:10] ok, can I file one saying I think there's a performance problem too? [04:10] elmo: yeah. I just had a request take over a minute to answer, that's clearly terrible. [04:11] Hmm, it's at 99% cpu. === ptme [n=chatzill@89.4.92.230] has joined #launchpad [04:11] So it's an authserver issue, not a database one. [04:11] Crud. [04:11] That means it's my fault. [04:13] (although given the number of requests it's handling per second, that might not be totally unreasonable) [04:13] how many is it? [04:13] (and why so many?) [04:13] elmo: Actually.... [04:17] elmo: I have a terrible suspicion that the log rotation is part of the problem. [04:17] We should try moving all the authserver.log.* files to an archived/ directory. [04:17] how often is it rotating?! [04:18] oh, you mean ext3 crapness due to the size of the directory? [04:18] Sorry, my ISP decided to break their routing for a minute there. [04:18] I'm just guessing. [04:19] But ext3 crapness is a likely candidate... [04:19] ddaa,? [04:20] kiko? [04:20] ddaa, can you check out this? [04:20] https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileU6xYVY.html [04:22] kiko: that is a backtrace [04:22] spiv: ehm ehm [04:22] spiv: the moin instance appears to be talking to the authserver EVERY time [04:22] spiv: like, I'm logged in, have a cookie, but it's still talking to the authserver on every page I load [04:22] elmo: that's true I think, yeah :( [04:22] kiko: what do you want to know? [04:22] spiv: duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude [04:22] ddaa, yes it is. caused by my SQLObject fix for bug 61757 [04:22] Malone bug 61757 in launchpad "SQLObject Foo.selectBy(column=None) doesn't work as expected." [Medium,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61757 [04:22] spiv: that's so bad [04:23] elmo: you'd like to hack on the Moin code? Please, be my guest :P === Nafallo couldn't agree with elmo more [04:23] kiko: I do not know what your fix look like, I cannot really tell you anything unless you give me some more context [04:24] elmo: so, it seems to be rotating worryingly often. [04:24] why is revision_id a list? [04:25] elmo: very roughly once/2 minutes [04:25] New bug: #61884 in launchpad "timing information in the authserver log" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61884 [04:25] New bug: #61885 in launchpad "authserver performance problems" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61885 [04:26] spiv: SWEET [04:26] ddaa, XXX ['rev42'] [04:26] spiv: it's rotating based on size, given the lack of cookie support, I guess that's unsurprising? [04:26] why are we supplying a list here? [04:26] elmo: yep :( [04:27] spiv: what are our options in terms of short term fixes? === spiv looks up how to change the default rotation behaviour of twisted.python.log [04:27] spiv: I was about ready to upgrade the wiki box, but there doesn't seem to be much point ;-) [04:27] ddaa, https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileGbS2Ld.html [04:27] ddaa, why is revision_id a list there? [04:27] elmo: "mv logs/*.log* logs/archived" or similiar will probably help [04:27] hmm [04:27] For a while. [04:28] kiko: that looks like a bug [04:28] ddaa, r=ddaa to change to an int? [04:28]