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siretartslomo: huh?12:17
ajmitchhi siretart12:18
siretarthuhu ajmitch12:18
siretartah, luckily, I uploaded xine just before the freeze announcement ;)12:18
ajmitchsiretart: yes, though it's just slushy right now, as soyuz is not enforcing the freeze :)12:19
siretartajmitch: ;)12:19
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siretartwell, I need sleep. cu tomorrow!12:20
ajmitchbye :)12:20
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Yagisanheh heh.12:30
YagisanI cited myself as a source of information, used for an assignment12:31
Yagisanthat will go down well.12:31
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ajmitchit usually doesn't in academic research without some results published that you can quote :)12:32
lupine_85hehe12:32
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Yagisanajmitch, it was harping on about VPNs, so I cited my marking page12:33
Yagisans/marking/marketing12:33
imbrandonheya ajmitch did you ever see about me an account on tiber ( and a rundown of the revu-tools script ) ?12:35
imbrandonjust curious, if your busy etc no worries12:35
ajmitchno I didn't, was busy sorry :)12:35
ajmitchI can do it now if you want12:36
imbrandonsure12:36
imbrandon;)12:36
Hawkwindimbrandon: Did you ever get any information on that bug I emailed you about...did the person you spoke to about it ever reply with anything ?12:37
Yagisannow I'm off to grab some shuteye while the kids are in bed.12:38
Yagisancatch you later - see if I can bust my system some more when I wake up12:38
FujitsuBye!12:39
imbrandonHawkwind: i passed your information to them, i'll poke them again if they havent got to you12:40
Hawkwindimbrandon: Thanks.  I keep asking because the guy who filed the bug originally is in need of those files to complete his project he's working on12:44
imbrandonahh12:44
imbrandonajmitch: the amd64x2's have sse3 correct ? ( you have an x2 iirc is why i'm asking )12:55
ajmitchdon't think so12:57
ajmitchonly up to sse212:57
imbrandonhum12:57
imbrandonthat bites12:57
ajmitchwhy? :)12:57
ajmitchmaybe later (AM2) X2s have it12:57
imbrandonosx_x86 only runs on sse3 processors12:58
imbrandoni was thinking about upgrading my proc so i could try it ;)12:58
ajmitchI was wrong12:58
ajmitchflags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow up pni lahf_lm cmp_legacy12:58
ajmitchbut wikipedia says it has sse312:58
ajmitchso what should I believe?12:58
Nafalloajmitch: you have and am2?12:58
ajmitchthe impeccable journalism of wikipedia? ;)12:58
imbrandonheh i would beleave proc/cpuinfo12:58
imbrandonhehe12:59
ajmitchNafallo: no, socket 93912:59
Nafallowww.amd64.com fwiw12:59
imbrandonheh well i was willing to grab a new cpu to play with it but not a new computer01:00
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imbrandonworks ok on my ibook anyhow ;)01:00
=== StevenK doesn't even remember what his CPU is.
StevenKIn terms of socket size, anyway01:00
StevenKI have /proc/cpuinfo for the rest.01:01
Yagisanimbrandon, there are ways to run osx if you only have sse2, but it's not on-topic in channel, and you'll need to ping me when I wake up for details01:01
imbrandonYagisan: yea i have done it but no rosetta and its SLOW ;)01:01
imbrandoni seen the sse2 patch01:01
Yagisanimbrandon, ok. so you already know then ;)01:01
ajmitchimbrandon: well, check in some reputable places to find out if it does have sse301:02
YagisanI don't need to warn you - but ubuntu is much better anyway :P01:02
imbrandonyea i have 2 legit copies of osx ( 10.2 and 10.4 ) i was gonna play with but its not worth  new computer for ;)01:02
imbrandonYagisan: yup thus i run kubuntu on my ibook ;) well dual boot01:02
ajmitchimbrandon: most places say it has sse301:02
imbrandonbut hey its still a *nix os ;)01:02
Yagisanimbrandon, ajmitch some amd64 models do have sse3, some don't. /proc/cpuinfo is your friend01:02
imbrandonYagisan: yea i cant on one i dont own yet though ;)01:03
ajmitchYagisan: referring to the X2, reports say all of them do01:03
ajmitchbut treports are conflicting :)01:03
imbrandoni guess i could take a livecd to the store ;)01:03
LaserJockimbrandon: you get a chroot on OSX yet? :-)01:03
Yagisanajmitch, some eairly x2 steppings don't. All new should01:04
imbrandonLaserJock: well i did and dident , i did as in i got it BUT it wont make ubuntu compat binarys becouse of the mach-o kernel01:04
ajmitchYagisan: mine's probably early01:04
ajmitchstepping        : 101:04
Yagisanajmitch, I have one of the earliest 754 models01:04
ajmitchguess that means I have to upgrade then ;)01:05
Yagisanajmitch, I can't even run ubuntu amd64 in vmware :(01:05
ajmitchworrying01:05
ajmitchit runs fine for me01:05
Yagisanajmitch, stepping        : 001:05
ajmitchoh dear, a .0 release01:05
Yagisanajmitch, as I said - like - the very first ones01:06
Yagisanajmitch, but I bought it to run Ubuntu amd64 native, so I'm happy with it01:06
imbrandonmine is a stepping 2 but not an x2 , here is the cpu info http://pastebin.ca/17912101:06
imbrandonno sse3 ;(01:06
imbrandonthus i was gonna upgrade it becouse the board will take an x201:06
lupine_85mine is a sempron socket 754 - now that's old ;)01:07
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=== imbrandon rembers when mmx first hit
imbrandonheh01:08
ajmitchyeah01:08
Yagisanimbrandon, look at my old one -> http://pastebin.ca/17912201:08
=== ajmitch had a blazing fast p166MMX
imbrandonheh ___my___ first computer ( e.g that wasent a family comp or my dads etc etc etc ) was a pent pro 16601:09
Yagisananyway, I said I was going to bed -> outta here01:09
imbrandonlaster Yagisan01:09
lupine_85I've still got a P120 pre-mmx somewhere :)01:10
imbrandonheh yea i have some old one like that arround , just dunno where01:10
imbrandoni had a 100mhz cyrix setup as a router not too long ago01:10
imbrandonrunning sarge heh01:11
imbrandonthat got replaced with a 333mhz 96mb ram breezy-->dapper box , thats still running01:11
ajmitchwhat have you started, imbrandon?01:11
imbrandonwow no kidding01:11
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lupine_85j/k ;)01:12
Nafallomy first was a p75 with 16MB ram :-)01:12
Nafallo~500MB harddrive01:12
imbrandonhahah i had a vic20 , well "we" did01:12
imbrandonNafallo: yea that p pro i had , had a ~800mb hdd and 32mb ram and a 4mb ati video card , i was rockin01:13
StevenKMy first computer was a 386SX 25 with 4Mb of RAM01:13
imbrandonspent like 2k on it back then01:13
zulmine was apple 2gs01:13
Nafallolol01:13
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imbrandonheh we had apple //e's in school ( oragan tail anyone ? ) heheh01:14
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imbrandonwith apple basic01:14
imbrandonheh01:14
Nafallohmm01:14
lupine_85I played with BBC BASIC a bit01:15
Nafallodo not open flash-things from amd :-P01:15
lupine_85and C=4 basic :)01:15
lupine_85erm, C=6401:15
Nafallothey make epiphany take 100% ;-)01:15
imbrandoni rember spending lots of nights typing in peeks and pokes into a c64 also01:15
LaserJockhmm, well my first non-family computer was a 1.6GHz Celeron from Wal-mart :)01:15
LaserJockso there :p01:15
imbrandonassembly was the only way to do cool stuff on the c64 ;)01:15
imbrandonhehe01:15
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imbrandonLaserJock: owow01:16
imbrandonheh01:16
FujitsuMy first non-family computer was this laptop, in January :P01:17
imbrandoni seen a howto to gut a c64 and put a 900mhz system in it, with slimline dvd+rw drive and all01:17
Fujitsuimbrandon, nice.01:17
FujitsuI've got two C64s here, one with a dead video connector :(01:17
imbrandonthe only thing i dident like was you couldent use the origial keyboard, it was just for show01:17
FujitsuAnd a floppy drive without power supply, I'm going to make one at some point.01:17
Fujitsuimbrandon, it should be possible to make a converter for the keyboard >:)01:18
imbrandonyea you have to make a pcb to convert it to ps/201:18
plugwashhmm, bit of hardware hacking should get the original keyboard to work unless its really horrible01:18
imbrandonhttp://www.mini-itx.com/projects/c64/01:19
imbrandonthere it is01:19
lupine_85Gut a C=64?!01:19
plugwashsomeone got a beeb keyboard working on a linux box built in a beeb case with little trouble (iirc he used the pcb out of a cheap ps/2 keyboard to scan the original keyboard matrix and then remapped the keys in software)01:19
=== lupine_85 guts something else... ;)
imbrandonplugwash: yea i seen that01:19
imbrandonthe only other thing i would do besides a c64 is a NES and wire the controlers to the ubs ports with the orig connections etc01:20
imbrandoni ahve seen that done too01:20
imbrandonits very nice01:20
plugwashreally most keyboards are a matrix once you rip off the original controller so as long as your new controller can scan a matrix thats big enough and you have a way to remap the input in software you are fine01:20
plugwashas a matrix is really the only sensible way to make a keyboard01:21
imbrandonclassic quite from the howto though .... "I bought a defect C64 on Ebay for almost two Euros. Sometimes you just have to throw in some serious money to get what you really, really want :-)"01:22
imbrandonheh01:22
imbrandoni can see showing up at the dev summit with a retro c64 + lcd to do some coding01:25
imbrandonor akademy , kde running on a c64 ;)01:25
zulheh 10 print "hello" 20 goto 1001:25
imbrandonhaha01:25
imbrandonadd a ; to the end of "hello" and it would fill the screen ;)01:26
imbrandoneg no linebreak01:26
zulyeah i dont remember my basic01:26
imbrandonload * ,8,101:26
imbrandonor soemthing like that01:26
imbrandonwould load the first program from the floppy device 801:27
zulof casette01:27
imbrandonheh oh man , i hated those days the more i think about it, start to load a chess program and go eat dinner and come back it still would be laoding01:27
imbrandonhrm i bet there is a c64 emu in universe01:29
imbrandonlol01:29
Fujitsuimbrandon, I'm sure there is.01:29
Fujitsuvice!01:30
imbrandonyea just installed it, seems not to work01:30
LaserJockgee whiz, you guys seriously don't have anything better to do? ;-)01:30
FujitsuI'm waiting for cernlib to build!01:30
ajmitchgo fix bugs01:30
imbrandonheh good idea01:31
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=== Fujitsu grumbles about the inadequacy of this laptop for building things like this... I really must buy myself a reasonable machine in the near future.
=== StevenK hugs his 3GHz amd64
FujitsuGr...01:34
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Fujitsu1.3GHz Pentium Ms aren't great.01:34
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StevenKFujitsu: Ahh, that's my laptop.01:34
StevenKFujitsu: IBM X4001:35
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LaserJockFujitsu: I have 1.3 GHz P4 desktop01:35
=== imbrandon has a 800mhz ppc
ajmitchexcept it suddenly dropped off the network during a dist-upgrade :)01:35
FujitsuOh, that one, ajmitch :P01:35
=== ajmitch won't point fingers at anyone :)
imbrandonheh01:35
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hfntshanyone up to explain stupid things to a newbie?02:19
azeemjust ask02:20
hfntshwell, i read all about creating, merging and updating packages.02:20
hfntshand experimented with it a bait02:20
hfntshbut i couldn't understand where you list the open assignments02:20
hfntshor how do i get stuff to do02:21
lophyteapt-cache -i unmet02:21
lophytethose are all broken packages that need to be fixed02:21
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LaserJockmerges.ubuntu.com for merges and syncs02:22
LaserJockazeem: I've got a question for you02:23
hfntshand where do i submit what i've done?02:23
LaserJockhfntsh: here02:23
LaserJockazeem: how does one take of maintainership of a package in Debian?02:23
hfntshdo i just upload it somewhere and send someone the link?02:24
LaserJockazeem: Kyral would like to hand over EasyChem to debichem02:24
azeemtake over?02:24
azeemoh!02:24
lophytesubmit it to REVU02:24
lophyteor here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019922.html02:24
azeemI tried to ping him here some days ago02:24
hfntshthanks, i'll look into those02:24
azeemLaserJock: the formal process would be to file a bug against wnpp, with a subject "o: easychem", and then one of us retitling it to "ita: easychem", and then upload with new maintainer (and closing the bug)02:25
hfntshas for REVU, i've added my launchpad account to the package contributor group, but still can't use my account to log into REVU. should i somehow create another one?02:25
azeembut if he agrees, we can just upload with "New maintainer." I guess02:25
lophytehfntsh: not sure, I haven't used REVU yet02:26
azeemactually, Daniel has prepared a rather lengthy NMU of easychem I wanted to upload to DELAYED over the last days, but didn't get around to02:26
LaserJockhfntsh: you need to upload first02:26
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LaserJockazeem: ok, and I have a new upstream release of gausssum to package02:26
hfntshhow do i do that without an account?02:26
LaserJockhfntsh: dput02:27
elmore_could somebody please tell me the best and most popular free software equivalents for secondlife?02:27
azeemLaserJock: I am not quite sure how to handle the Maintainer: field for now, I suggest putting the main guy in there, and possibly me (and whoever else cares) in Uploaders: for the time being02:27
LaserJockif I knew what secondlife was I could perhaps help ;-)02:27
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LaserJockazeem: we can't do a mailing list like some team do?02:28
elmore_LaserJock: secondlife is something quite much similar to activeworlds, it's just that it's much more featured and it provides much more freedom02:30
LaserJockhehe02:30
elmore_what are the best equivalents to activeworlds?02:30
LaserJockwhat's activeworlds?02:30
elmore_alternatives02:30
elmore_:))02:30
elmore_i thought you knew about activeworlds02:31
elmore_ok, they're both an alternative to there02:31
elmore_"there"02:31
elmore_the 3d world\02:31
elmore_something like an internet "virtual" business02:31
LaserJockwow, that doesn't make any sense to me02:32
LaserJockhopefully somebody can help you though02:32
elmore_what doesn't make any sense to you?02:32
LaserJockit's business web software?02:33
azeemLaserJock: we definetely should do this in the near future, yeah02:33
azeemLaserJock: did you do any work on easychem, or have a special interest in?02:33
elmore_download secondlife, the linux client, and see it for yourself.02:33
azeemotherwise, I'll tell Daniel to put himself as Maintainer for now, upload and then we can see what to do about Maintainer: in general02:33
LaserJockI haven't done any work on it02:33
azeemok02:34
LaserJockalso, i'd like to get bkchem02:34
LaserJockI know Daniel has a package, and bddebian made one too02:34
LaserJockI think it'd be a nice addition to the vast sea of molecular drawing programs02:34
azeemoh02:34
azeemtotall02:35
azeemy02:35
LaserJockan undergrad in my lab said it was the best linux molecule drawing program he's tried02:35
azeemI asked Daniel about it recently, and he said it needs to get transitioned to the new python policy02:35
LaserJockthat shouldn't be too hard02:35
azeemI need to ask Barry for his package, maybe we can merge his stuff if he has done that02:35
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azeemLaserJock: I put bkchem into debichem svn if you want to take a look or just do it02:36
LaserJockok, cool02:36
azeemlet me see whether Daniel mentioned any other blockers02:36
LaserJockI transitioned gausssum so I have a little bit of an idea of how to do it02:36
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azeemLaserJock: he also said there was a problem with a locally modified python-pmw02:38
azeemhe wants to sort it out with upstream, but I think we should just maybe just ship it in a non-default place to have it in etch/edgy02:39
azeemLaserJock: tell me if you get around doing the python transition, and I'll talk to Daniel again about uploading it02:40
LaserJockazeem: ok02:40
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LaserJockazeem: wow, I just svn up'd my debichem checkout :-)02:44
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FujitsuArgh. My machine is now lagging up... It's actually using swap for the first time ever...02:54
Fujitsu8 minutes to confirm one of my syncs, crimsun! Not bad at all :)02:55
crimsunsorry, I just reattached.02:55
fowlduckjeeze synaptic is flakey02:58
FujitsuIs it?02:59
FujitsuI've never used it.02:59
fowlduckwell, under kubuntu edgy02:59
FujitsuSynaptic in Kubuntu?02:59
fowlduckand azureus doesn't start02:59
fowlduckya02:59
imbrandonLaserJock: secondlife is a MMRPG without the RPG , and you can make real money by making games in game with scripts03:00
imbrandonheh03:00
lupine_85creating new packages - where it says "you must include a copyright and a license file", does it mean a file (debian/license ?) containing the full versions of all licenses used by the program?03:01
FujitsuMMORPG minus the RPG.03:01
imbrandonlol03:01
imbrandonyea03:01
imbrandonMMORPG ;)03:01
FujitsuA friend played it for a while.03:01
crimsunazureus 2.5 will require considerable resources to merge03:01
crimsun(someone else should feel free to tackle it)03:01
Fujitsucrimsun, noted. I looked at it, and quickly ran away.03:01
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FujitsuPoor laptop... 5 pbuilders running, and it's really lagging up.03:02
imbrandonbut the startup thing is probably a bash/dash thing like limewire/frostwire03:02
imbrandonwithout looking at it03:02
Fujitsuimbrandon, probably... dash has caused a lot of issues, but it's a good idea.03:02
FujitsuSomebody in -offtopic is recommending X -configure rather than dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg... That's wrong, isn't it?03:04
crimsunno03:04
crimsun(it's just not the Debian/Ubuntu way)03:04
FujitsuWell, that's what I meant by wrong.03:04
imbrandoneither way works , its just what your used to03:04
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bddebianHeya gang03:06
imbrandonheya bddebian03:06
lupine_85it's wrong in the same way that it's wrong to call the evening meal 'dinner'? ;)03:06
bddebianHi imbrandon03:06
minghuawell, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg hasn't worked for me in debian for quite some time03:06
imbrandonminghua: what about ubuntu, i use it pretty regularly03:07
Fujitsuimbrandon, same.03:07
minghuaimbrandon: sorry, I don't have an Ubuntu install currently03:07
imbrandonminghua: was just curious , how does it "not work" e.g it segfaults ? dosnret write the config ? etc03:08
imbrandonjust wondering03:08
LaserJockimbrandon: what's a MMRPG?03:08
imbrandonMMORPG , massive multi player online role playing game03:09
minghuaoh, in my case, the debconf questions goes through fine, but /etc/X11/xorg.conf is not changed at all after the dpkg-reconfigure run03:09
imbrandonlike evercrack03:09
imbrandonminghua: you are running it as root or sudo correct ? sorry i had to ask03:09
LaserJockimbrandon: wow, that's worse then even Debian acronyms ;-)03:09
imbrandonLaserJock: hehe03:09
minghuaimbrandon: yes, sudo03:10
imbrandonminghua: not trying to talk down or such, just gotta "get on the same page" ya know ;)03:10
jsgotangcoLaserJock: im surprised you haven't heard of the term03:10
FujitsuIt's a very common acronym...03:10
ajmitchhi03:10
minghuaimbrandon: no problem, I am happy that someone else cares about my problem :-)03:11
imbrandonhrm and you checked the file perms on xorg.conf and made sure it dident get made unwriteable for somereason ?03:11
minghuaimbrandon: and FYI, dpkg-reconfigure can't be run as an ordinary user03:11
minghuaimbrandon: good point03:11
imbrandonminghua: i dident think so but i wanted to make sure ;)03:12
minghuabut that's a fresh install from etch d-i, so it's a bug either way03:12
imbrandonright right , just trying to maybe narrow it down since etch is comming "sometime" ;)03:12
imbrandoni dont have a debian proper install handy to test myself03:13
imbrandoni do on the laptop but i'm lazy and its downstairs03:13
imbrandonheh03:13
imbrandonand its sid anyhow03:13
lupine_85hmmm... how would one go about packaging a compiler (fpc - www.freepascal.org) that depends on a binary (itself) which isn't in ubuntu, to build?03:13
bddebianlupine_85: You have to bootstrap it.  It's not fun03:14
ajmitchlupine_85: it's in ubuntu, needs bootstrapped03:14
imbrandonbootstrap03:14
ajmitchinfinity was looking at it a couple of days ago03:14
lupine_85so, would one put all the different compiler binaries into the source package?03:14
ajmitchno03:14
ajmitchthat would be evil03:14
imbrandonheh03:14
lupine_85fugly way of doing it :)03:14
ajmitchbootstrapping of stuff like that is done on the buildds03:15
lupine_85wget etc?03:15
minghuaimbrandon: the file permission looks fine (644, root:root), and I've just tried again, and xorg.conf is just untouched03:15
ajmitchby an admin03:15
minghuaimbrandon: this is in a quite old chroot sid though03:15
imbrandonminghua: wow , ok , i'll try it on mine when i get a chance , but it does workin ubuntu03:15
minghuaimbrandon: I'll try a fresh install again and make sure to report it before etch is released03:15
imbrandoni would try to get someone to verify that and file a debianbts bug03:15
imbrandonyup yup[03:15
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ajmitchnow if this were #debian, and you were talking about ubuntu... ;)03:16
lupine_85I was thinking about packaging the lot up at some point after finishing rutilt, but it sounds like something I wouldn't be able to do03:16
imbrandonajmitch: hahah i was thinking the exact same thing earlier03:16
imbrandonajmitch: but we're not that bad ;)03:16
ajmitchof course not03:17
crimsunFujitsu: please complete your debdiff for #61768. It lacks the information listed in the new sync policy.03:17
crimsunnew merge policy, rather03:17
minghuaajmitch: yeah, sorry to be off-topic :-)03:17
LaserJockjsgotangco: I've heard of RPGs but not MMORPG03:17
ajmitchminghua: debian isn't offtopic here03:17
jsgotangcoLaserJock: World of Warcraft03:17
Fujitsucrimsun, shall do...03:17
lupine_85failing including the binaries, /me would change rules to wget the appropriate fpc<arch> binary and build using that ;)03:17
ajmitchWorld of Addiction03:17
minghuaajmitch: not even a debian bug that is unreproducible in ubuntu?03:17
FujitsuOh, woops.03:18
FujitsuI'm sure I did that...03:18
LaserJockajmitch: I thought that was Ubuntu03:18
ajmitchminghua: doesn't worry me03:18
imbrandonajmitch: we're nice , ubotu dosent spit out "debian - an african word for i cant configure ubuntu" when you /mesage ubotu debian ;)03:18
ajmitchLaserJock: different addictions :)03:18
ajmitchI wonder if I can get f-spot into sid before I have to leave03:18
imbrandonhehe03:19
bddebianHave to leave?03:19
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ajmitchbddebian: in about 10-20 minutes03:19
bddebianOh, hehe03:19
imbrandon( note that was an sarcastic remark about the dpkg bot on oftc )03:19
minghuanaughty dpkg03:20
imbrandonheheh03:20
lupine_85surely "debian" is American for "no red under the bed here..." ;)03:21
imbrandonminghua: "/msg dpkg ubuntu" sometime on oftc ;(03:21
LaserJockimbrandon: I thought it was in the topic03:21
minghuaimbrandon: just tried.  not as bad as you described :-)03:22
imbrandonLaserJock: it is03:22
LaserJockI think it's rather funny myself03:22
imbrandon20:22 <dpkg> methinks ubuntu is 1. Ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. .......03:23
imbrandonkinda childish heh but oh well so am I at times03:23
tsenghaha03:23
zuloh they are just bitter03:23
tsengwith a nick of dpkg they must be an epert03:23
tsengexpert03:23
plugwashdpkg is a bot03:23
minghuaimbrandon: childish indeed, but the 2. part is actually good and informative03:23
tsengI see03:24
imbrandonminghua: yea the 2 was just added in the last days03:24
Xnixdoes anyone in here know if the edgy kernel has support for the echoaudio sound drivers03:27
Xnixthey are in official alsa for a while now, but i know they were not in dapper for some reason03:27
lupine_85echoaudio? is that the name of the module?03:27
imbrandoncrimsun: did you get all the ubuntu-*-sponsor packages , or are there still some for me to poke at03:27
LaserJockhhh, crimsun and Fujitsu are filling up my mailbox, excellent work you guys :-)03:27
Fujitsucrimsun, fixed.03:27
FujitsuLaserJock, :)03:27
crimsunimbrandon: I've already done them.03:27
imbrandoncrimsun: cool , ok03:27
imbrandontoo fast for me03:28
crimsunXnix: they're enabled in Edgy03:28
FujitsuOh, they're a lot more where they came from >:)03:28
FujitsuOop.s03:28
crimsun$ locate snd-|grep echoaudio|wc -l03:28
crimsun1203:28
imbrandonFujitsu: oh i'm sure ;)03:28
Xnixcrimsun :) AWESOME!! :) :) that made my day03:28
FujitsuThere are a lot more.03:28
Xnixcrimsun thanks a bunch03:28
LaserJockmy pbuilder doesn't work that fast :/03:28
imbrandonLaserJock: hehe03:28
imbrandoni can see Fujitsu takin on merges.ubuntu.com all alone next release cycle ;)03:29
imbrandonhehe03:30
FujitsuI'll have little better to do, with 3 months off school :P03:30
zulheh i would do merges but im just a tad too busy03:30
imbrandonzul: i can imagine ;)03:30
imbrandoni did a tad bit of fixes earlier , the last few hours just been goffin off03:31
imbrandoni think the only thing i actualy got uploaded today was a usplash fix03:31
ajmitchback on monday03:32
imbrandonlaster ajmitch , have fun03:32
imbrandonlater*03:32
FujitsuBye!03:32
rmjbbye03:32
zulimbrandon: ewww...you are actually touching usplash? brave man03:32
imbrandonzul: heh just the post install to fix the kubuntu artwork on upgrade03:33
imbrandonheh03:33
zulah03:33
imbrandonyea i'm staying clear of that code till it settles ;)03:34
imbrandonthey are having enough fun with it without me muckin something up03:34
LaserJockman, I think I'm getting some of these bug email 3 times03:36
fowlduckme too03:37
fowlduckor twice, rather03:37
LaserJockI get 1 from ubuntu-science, 1 from ubuntu-universe-sponsors, and 1 from  universe-bugs I think03:38
imbrandonheh03:38
imbrandonmy procmail filters all that so i only end up with one03:39
slomoFujitsu: are you requesting syncs for all these packages only because debian has something newer or do you have any other reasons? :)03:39
LaserJockthe stupid  thing is, they are going to 2 different emails03:39
minghuaI decided to unsubscribe universe-bugs a month ago03:39
LaserJockyeah, I might do that too03:39
LaserJockI just don't get anything from it03:39
LaserJockimbrandon: really?03:39
minghuaand my email traffic dropped to, like, one half03:39
imbrandonslomo: afaik he is just going down the merges.ubuntu.com list , the ones that are syncs he is requesting03:39
LaserJockimbrandon: I'm just trying to figure out how to use procmail03:40
imbrandonLaserJock: yea i love it03:40
imbrandoni have a HUGE procmailrc though03:40
imbrandonlol03:40
rmjbfor firefox to use native widgets, does it need a recompile?03:40
imbrandongmail --> fetchmail --> procmail --> imap --> client == heaven03:40
minghuaLaserJock: you subscribe to universe-bugs and doesn't use procmail?  amazing03:40
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imbrandonrmjb: native as in QT ? gtk ? or ......03:41
rmjbgtk03:41
imbrandonand either way yes03:41
rmjbwidgets on the pages I mean03:41
rmjbnot the chrome03:41
imbrandonoh i have no idea about the page widgets, they are all qt looking for me03:42
rmjbI dunno... buttons in gmail and so don't fit03:42
LaserJockminghua: universe-bugs and it goes to my gmail03:42
imbrandonLaserJock: all my mail go's to gmail first then fetchmail gets it and then procmail then imap03:43
imbrandonthen ME ;)03:43
LaserJockimbrandon: ok, that's it03:43
LaserJockI need to figure out how you us fetchmail to get mail from gmail03:43
LaserJockI got it to sorta work03:43
imbrandonsimple, lemme password sanitize my config and i'll give it to you03:44
LaserJockbut it downloads like 800+ email *every* time03:44
imbrandonits like 2 lines in fetchmailrc03:44
imbrandonLaserJock: mine dosent03:44
LaserJockhow do you run fetchmail?03:44
imbrandononly new stuff, checks ever 60 seconds03:44
imbrandoncron03:44
imbrandona crontab under my user account ever minute03:44
imbrandonevery03:45
minghuaimbrandon: you run fetchmail in cron?03:45
LaserJockI think fetchmail can be run as a deamon03:45
imbrandonminghua: yea not as a daemon03:45
minghuaimbrandon: any advantage that way?03:45
imbrandonminghua: so i can have better control over when it stops etc, like i have it NOT run on weeksends and such if i want03:45
minghuahmm, makes sense03:46
LaserJockwell, I don't think I can do cron stuff on the server03:46
rmjbis Martin Pitt here?03:47
LaserJockalthough if I could get my @ubuntu.com address to forward right then it would be a lot less irritating03:47
LaserJockthat's pitti03:48
rmjbI guess he's not on now03:48
LaserJockand I think he's probably in bed03:48
imbrandonLaserJock: sure you can , run "cron -e" and you should be able to set user cron jobs on any shell account03:48
imbrandonLaserJock: http://pastebin.ca/179271  <-- my fetchmail03:48
imbrandonpasswd changed of course03:48
LaserJockimbrandon: how did you get the cert?03:49
imbrandonyou make it03:49
imbrandonhold on one sec03:49
rmjbanyone know the process to cobble together a variation of the english language settings in ubuntu and gnome?03:49
imbrandoni used a howto03:49
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imbrandonbtw its "crontab -e" not cron03:49
imbrandonfor user cron jobs03:49
rmjbI want to create en-TT with en-GB spelling but en-US paper and currency symbol and customised date formats03:50
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rmjbis there a wiki entry that describes this?03:51
imbrandonLaserJock: http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/postfix_tutorial.html  <--grep for "5. Safety First: Configure fetchmail with STARTTLS"03:51
imbrandonit explains how to do the ssl part for gmail03:51
imbrandonLaserJock: you only need the stuff in section 5 of that page, ignore the rest03:52
lupine_85wow, there's a bug and a half... el package created /share ! I dread to think what it did in /bin03:54
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imbrandonsony rootkit ?03:55
lupine_85heh, no it's mine!03:55
lupine_85it's got a fugly build process and hardcodes paths into the binary03:56
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lupine_85ah, got it03:57
lupine_85"./configure.sh --prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/rutilt" ... needs /usr on the end, lol03:58
minghuarmjb: I don't quite understand you. did you mean to create a new locale?03:59
rmjbI guess that's what it is, since it seems all the english variants are delievered in the same package04:00
minghuarmjb: I remember reading it somewhere, but can't find it right now.  But I know it's not an easy task04:01
LaserJockimbrandon: ok, if I just run fetchmail from a terminal it wants to download 500+ emails04:01
LaserJockimbrandon: I have about 1300 total accoring to "All Mail" in gmail04:01
minghuarmjb: if just for your own use, it's probably easier to just used mixed LC_* settings04:01
rmjbWhat I'd like, is when you go to the Language Support toool in gnome you can choose English (Trinidad and Tobago) just like you can for English (Austrailia)04:02
LaserJockimbrandon: do you have gmail set to delete the emails after they are grabed by POP04:02
minghuaLaserJock: https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13291&topic=1555 ?04:02
minghuaLaserJock: I copy and pasted that URL from the debian Chinese user mailing list04:03
minghuaI don't use gmail myself04:03
rmjbwhere can I customise my locale details?? like paper sizes (letter instead of A4), currency symbol, date format and so on?04:03
minghuarmjb: oh I see.  I am not sure Ubuntu's language support tool can give you that detailed setting.  Anybody can confirm?04:04
LaserJockminghua: hmm, yeah, that could be04:05
minghuarmjb: open an X terminal and run "locale", those output are the individual settings04:05
rmjboh... well I guess all I want to do is create a customised group of those parameters and call that en_TT04:06
LaserJockmwuahaha, I think it's working04:09
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imbrandonLaserJock: no i have it set to archive them04:12
imbrandonLaserJock: it only gets so many at a time , the initial downlaod you have to run a few times04:13
imbrandongmail will only let you download like 500 then 300 then 500 etc etc etc untill it gets all 130004:13
LaserJockok, that was my problem04:13
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imbrandonyea i have it set to archive them on gmail incase some catastrophy and my backups are good etc04:15
imbrandonor sometimes its just easy to log into gmail when i'm on the road04:15
imbrandonand even thought it shows as read i can still get it04:15
LaserJockcool04:17
LaserJockthat's exactly what I wanted to do04:17
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imbrandonhehe04:17
=== imbrandon testbuilds mythplugins
LaserJocknot sure about the whole cron thing though04:18
FujitsuLaserJock, the new matplotlib won't build, but the new numpy (and thus scipy) conflicts with old one... What should be done?04:19
LaserJockdarn it04:19
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imbrandondarn you Fujitsu04:19
imbrandonheh04:19
FujitsuHaha.04:19
LaserJockFujitsu: I wonder why it doesn't build04:19
LaserJockdoes it build fine in unstable?04:19
=== Fujitsu checks:
Fujitsusrc/agg.cxx: In function int SWIG_Python_ConvertPtr(PyObject*, void**, swig_type_info*, int):04:20
Fujitsusrc/agg.cxx:1231: error: invalid conversion from const char* to char*04:20
FujitsuAnd a few others.04:20
bddebianFujitsu: So fix it :-)04:20
FujitsuOnce matplotlib builds, numpy and scipy can be uploaded...04:20
Fujitsubddebian, I haven't dealt with C in weeks :P04:21
Fujitsu(or C++, for that matter)04:21
FujitsuYes, it builds fine in unstable.04:21
LaserJockwell, I really think our users (me included) will be a little upset with that old of a scipy in edgy04:21
FujitsuYes, there's a bug or two about it.04:22
LaserJockbut of course I'd take an old scipy that works over a new scipy that doesn't :-)04:22
FujitsuHm. The file with the fault is generated by SWIG...04:23
minghuais src/agg.cxx auto-generated?04:23
Fujitsuminghua, yes.04:23
FujitsuI'm trying to find the interface definition file...04:24
FujitsuAha.04:24
minghuaSWIG is black magic to me.  but apparently it makes sense to Fujitsu :-)04:25
Fujitsuminghua, I have a miniscule amount of experience with it...04:25
minghuarmjb: it seems no en_TT locale exists04:26
FujitsuI just regenerated the offending file, and am now rebuilding.04:26
imbrandonTT ?04:26
minghuarmjb: is English the official language in Trinidad and Tobago?04:26
minghuaimbrandon: ^^^04:26
imbrandonno idea04:26
rmjbminghua: yeah, UK english tho04:26
rmjbso we spell it like coloUr04:27
rmjbinstead of colot04:27
FujitsuYay :)04:27
rmjbcolor04:27
LaserJockyucky04:27
LaserJock;-)04:27
rmjbBUT, we use US paper sizes and currency symbols04:27
LaserJockoh man, you guys really are messed up ;-)04:27
rmjbso a custom locale is what I want to put together04:28
minghuaubuntu uses belocs-locales, right?04:28
imbrandonyea the first patch i ever got Riddell to upload he changed all my changelog entries from color to colour ;P04:28
imbrandonheh04:28
minghuarmjb: if you are not a developer, the first thing you can do is file a bug04:28
FujitsuI think it's got further in the build this time, but it's still going...04:28
FujitsuGood on him, imbrandon :P04:28
LaserJockimbrandon: haha, that's funny04:28
minghuarmjb: I believe against belocs-locales-data, but I need confirmation from those guys that can check04:29
rmjbwell if it's doable for green developers I'd like to give it a shot04:29
minghuarmjb: let me try to dig a little for you then04:29
FujitsuApparently not... It still fails :(04:29
imbrandonwho wants to donate a tv capture card to me ? ........ ( joke )04:31
LaserJockIf I had one I'd send it to you04:31
imbrandon;)04:32
imbrandoni might see about picking one up semi soon, i think i can get a cheap one thats linux compat for about 25$04:32
imbrandoni wanna mess with time shifting tv04:32
=== lupine_85 has an old TV capture card
LaserJockwell, I don't know what I'd do with one04:33
LaserJockmy tv and computer are on opposite sides of the house04:34
lupine_85it's PCI... free to anyone who wants it :)04:34
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imbrandonlupine_85: send away04:34
imbrandon;)04:34
lupine_85ask, and ye shall receive!04:34
lupine_85well, depending on postage04:34
LaserJockI *was* thinking of trying to figure out how to have my VCR record a couple shows tonight04:34
imbrandonserouisly ? that woudl rock man04:34
lupine_85seriously04:34
imbrandonwow cool man ;) heh04:35
lupine_85I'd better just check if it's linux-comaptible...04:35
FujitsuAha! The issue has been picked up elsewhere, more python 2.5 stuff...04:35
imbrandonlupine_85: i'm sure i could make it work if its pci04:35
imbrandon;)04:35
imbrandonbrb nother soda04:35
LaserJockFujitsu: can we tell it to not build on python 2.5?04:36
FujitsuLaserJock, we can always do that, yes.04:36
lupine_85yep, looks like it's good04:36
FujitsuAt least, we should be able to...04:36
minghuarmjb: found that one for you: http://people.debian.org/~barbier/talks/debconf5/glibc-locale.pdf04:36
FujitsuHm.04:37
minghuarmjb: it's a talk on DebConf5, there is even a video: http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2005/debconf5/mpeg/2005-07-15/06-Customization_of_GNU_libc_locale_files-Denis_Barbier.mpeg04:37
minghuarmjb: good luck04:37
rmjbthanks04:37
FujitsuThere's a bug filed in Debian about how it shouldn't be using its own version of agg, but it hasn't been touched...04:37
rmjb!04:37
lupine_85imbrandon: I'll need an address to post to... if it's going par avion (I'm in the UK), you'll have to pay the postage I'm afraid04:38
=== lupine_85 is skint student ;)
lupine_85msg me or something when you get back :)04:38
lukaswayne9I've just released a maintaince release on my package that's in edgy.  What should I do to get it in edgy?04:40
imbrandonlupine_85: sure, one sec , sorry went to grab a drink04:41
lupine_85np :)04:41
imbrandonlukaswayne9: whats the package04:41
lukaswayne9imbrandon: gfceu04:41
lukaswayne9i've uplaoded it to the revu, but i need to reupload it04:41
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imbrandonsure, reupload and poke us in here04:42
imbrandonis the best way04:42
lukaswayne9thanks04:42
nixternalimbrandon: what are you doing still awake?04:42
imbrandonlupine_85: get a pen ? i'll shoot ya the addy, and then lemme know how much posteage and i'll paypal it to ya tomarrow04:42
imbrandonnixternal: i'm VERY close to sleeping04:43
lupine_85ready :)04:43
imbrandontrust me04:43
nixternaldude..you went to sleep supposedly hours ago ;)04:43
lupine_85free stuff makes it all worth while :)04:43
=== lupine_85 is off to bed soon as well
imbrandonlupine_85: Brandon Holtsclaw, 9203 E 89th Street, Kansas City Mo. 6413804:43
imbrandon+USA in there somewhere04:43
imbrandonlol04:43
imbrandonyou can email me ( imbrandon@kubuntu.org ) what the postage will be and i'll shoot it to ya paypal tomarrow sometime04:44
Fujitsu9203 E 89th Street!?04:44
lupine_85ok. are you wanting postal insurance/whatever on it?04:45
imbrandonnah , its only a pci card ;)04:45
lupine_85oh, and it has a webcam as well (S-video I think)... you want?04:45
minghuaHmm, so Kansas City is in Missouri...04:45
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nixternalin missouri and kansas04:45
imbrandonlupine_85: sure , what ever you stick in the box i'll be happy with ;)04:45
nixternalone of them goofy cities04:45
lupine_85alrighty then :)04:45
lukaswayne9imbrandon: i just uploaded it, so it will show up there in about 5 minutes probably04:45
imbrandonminghua: its in both, half and half04:46
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minghuaimbrandon, nixternal: I see, thanks04:46
FujitsuWow, I'd been trying to work out how I was meant to get this to compile without python 2.5... Then I read the python policy... >_>04:46
imbrandonFujitsu: lol04:46
LaserJocklol04:46
FujitsuNow, with any luck this'll work, and matplotlib+numpy+scipy can be uploaded, and LaserJock can be happy again :P04:47
lukaswayne9will 2.5 be default for edgy?04:47
lukaswayne9(python that is)04:47
Fujitsulukaswayne9, no.04:47
imbrandonno04:47
imbrandonits available but not default04:47
lukaswayne9will all the libs be available for it?04:47
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LaserJocklukaswayne9: if they build04:48
lukaswayne9oh, alright04:48
imbrandonokies i'm off to sleep , lukaswayne9 post the revu url in here , and ask for MOTU's revu, someone should answer the call as long as you dont spam it ever 2 seconds ;)04:48
lukaswayne9alright04:49
lupine_85crappy royal mail website!04:49
imbrandonhehe04:49
FujitsuWhat!? This can't be! It BUILT!04:49
lukaswayne9This is the link, but my upload isn't there yet:   http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=321204:49
lukaswayne9it should be from 22:40ish, not 22:2004:50
lupine_85doesn't load in firefox; only just manages it in konq. (even then, most of it is broken)04:50
lukaswayne9Alright, it's here now04:50
imbrandon=3213 is the new direct link04:51
lukaswayne9So here is my official please some nice MOTU upload my updated package post:  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=321304:51
=== Fujitsu fumes... Stupid Python Policy, it makes things like this too easy.
imbrandonlukaswayne9: umm it should have an orig.tar.gz file and a diff.gz file, its packaged like it was native but its not04:57
imbrandonok really off to sleep now, bbiab04:57
lukaswayne9what do you mean?04:57
zakamehi all04:59
bddebianHeya zakame04:59
minghualukaswayne9: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-mistakes.html05:00
minghualukaswayne9: read the first paragraph in "Changing the Original Tarball"05:00
minghuathat explains what "native" means05:01
lukaswayne9oops, sorry about that05:01
lukaswayne9i renamed my tarbell wrong05:01
lukaswayne9I reuploaded05:01
lukaswayne9the link will be http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=321405:02
lukaswayne9if someone could check that out, it would be great!05:02
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rmjbminghua: http://www.student.uit.no/~pere/linux/glibc/howto.html05:06
zakameyo bddebian05:07
zakamehmm anyway we can fix the flashplugin thing?   or is it fixed already on a new upload?05:08
crimsunerr, what?05:09
crimsunI fixed flashplugin-nonfree (twice) yesterday.05:09
lukaswayne9Alright, my upload is in the revu.  If someone could check it out that would be great! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3214   Thanks again05:09
zakamebug 6140405:09
UbugtuMalone bug 61404 in dapper-backports "Flashplugin-nonfree in backports fails to install" [High,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6140405:09
zakameoh, there it goes05:10
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zakameI'm having more than my usual share :(05:10
crimsunI am extremely displeased that that bug was filed against a backported package.05:10
zakameawww05:12
FujitsuLaserJock, ping.05:13
LaserJockyah05:14
minghualukaswayne9: gfceu has been in Ubuntu before, but your debian/changelog doesn't show that05:14
FujitsuI've got python-numpy, python-scipy and matplotlib ready to go... They all build OK.05:15
bddebianw00t go Fujitsu :-)05:15
Fujitsu:)05:15
FujitsuI'm just going to pbuild them all one more time...05:16
zakamego go Fujitsu05:17
crimsunI am dead serious. If we get another one of these knee-jerk backports, I am going to be even less forgiving.05:17
zakamecrimsun: well it (backports) ought to be stricter :/05:21
bddebianGnight folks05:21
zakamecya l8r bddebian05:21
bddebian:-)05:21
LaserJockwhat happened? flashplugin-nonfree was backported but it's buggy?05:22
Toadstool'evening everybody05:22
zakameeveing Toadstool05:22
Toadstoolhey zakame05:22
zakameLaserJock: yeah, used a newr(?) version of update-rc.d05:23
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minghuaLaserJock: yes, I heard it's because the backport approver took his edgy chroot as his dapper one05:26
LaserJockI see05:27
imbrandonme gets out of bed for this one .... LaserJock  and i bet you can guess whom =the backporter was05:27
zakameno need for {b,f}lames, screw ups happen when you least expect it05:28
zakamethe best one can do is to prevent it from happening again05:28
zakamethat way we grow :)05:29
imbrandonzakame: true LaserJock / crimsun: you have a little time tomarrow to chat about some things, i think we need to relook at how backpoorts are file/approved serouisly , especialy with non-MOTU's trying to do it05:29
imbrandons/true/true \n/g05:29
zakameimbrandon: huh? non-MOTUs can upload stuff directly now? or am I mistaken?05:31
imbrandonanyhow i'll try to catchup with you both tomarrow, i'm off to bed05:31
Toadstoolzakame: hmm? nope05:31
imbrandonzakame: no but backport approvals dont require uploads05:31
zakameToadstool: ah, well05:32
zakameimbrandon: I see05:32
Toadstooltime to grab some food... /me dives into the fridge05:33
LaserJockhmmm05:34
LaserJockI'm sort of suprised at how many dups that has05:36
FujitsuLaserJock, as am I.05:37
FujitsuI think it at least needs approval from one MOTU before it should be backported...05:37
LaserJockit has to be approved by the backports team05:38
LaserJockI believe05:38
zakameyeah so many dupes05:38
LaserJockcrimsun: what's up with the ~ubuntuX versioning on flashplugin-nonfree?05:39
zakamecan't LP say allow bug submission previews, then searches the databse for seemingly similar bugs?05:39
LaserJockzakame: "they're working on it" TM05:40
Plugone day I swear I'll set my nick highlighting up to not match 'plugin'05:40
LaserJockPlug: haha05:40
zakameLaserJock: lol05:41
LaserJockanyway, it does backports do require approval05:42
LaserJockwow, that' was a messed up sentence05:42
Toadstool:D05:42
LaserJocks/it does//05:42
minghuapoor Plug :-)05:42
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FujitsuIt takes /ages/...05:56
PlugIs it acceptable to dpatch configure.in, and run autoconf in the config.status section of debian/rules?06:02
Laser_awayFujitsu: I'll check in with you tomorrow about matplotlib/scipy/numpy06:05
FujitsuOK, bye.06:05
Laser_awayFujitsu: if everything builds good go ahead and file the sync requests for the syncs06:05
FujitsuLaser_away, there aren't any.06:05
Laser_awaydarn06:05
FujitsuYeah.06:05
Laser_awaywell, I suppose uploading a merge can be faster then waiting for ubuntu-archive06:06
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Laser_awayok, well I'll take care of it tomorrow if you don't sucker somebody into it before then06:06
FujitsuOK, see you.06:07
Laser_awayFujitsu: thanks a ton for all that work06:07
FujitsuNo problem :)06:07
Laser_awaynight06:07
FujitsuIt just took a while to get them all building with Python 2.5, there wasn't much in it.06:07
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FujitsuPackages shouldn't regenerate their debian/copyright on each build, should they!?06:16
minghuaif from something like debian/copyright.in, maybe it's okay?06:19
FujitsuWell, matplotlib runs debian/mkcopyright.sh every build, for apparently no reason.06:19
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FujitsuThere's also the fact that is has bashisms which result in crap being put into it.06:20
hubI have never seen any package regenerating copyright06:23
hubthat's weird06:23
Fujitsuhub, it is.06:23
FujitsuI've made the script dash-compatible now06:23
FujitsuOr should I do away with it completely?06:26
hubno idea06:27
FujitsuIt modifies the Debianisation date/time each build as well, which is just plain wrong.06:27
hubI don't know why it does it06:27
FujitsuI'll mail the maintainer, I suppose.06:27
hubyep06:28
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dholbachgood morning07:29
FujitsuMorning.07:33
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BlueT_buongior :)07:49
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Kagouhi08:10
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crimsunLaser_away: at the time I uploaded, 7.0.68* didn't exist in Sid09:24
FujitsuThere's a new version of gnomebaker (0.6.0), and a bug requesting it. Includes gstreamer0.10 support, among other bug fixes... Should I update the package?09:27
crimsunyes.09:29
crimsunremoving gst0.8 {build-,}dependencies -> good09:30
FujitsuYes, I thought so.09:30
FujitsuAnd I had just confirmed there were no outstanding Ubuntu changes, so it'll be easier than mangling Debian and Ubuntu and upstream changes together :)09:30
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FujitsuYay, only .po conflicts.09:38
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FujitsuWhat are gstreamer0.8-mad and -flac replaced by? One of the gstreamer0.10-plugins-*?09:42
minghuaFujitsu: -bad?09:43
minghuaHmm, probably -ugly09:43
FujitsuI think mad would be in ugly, and flac in good?09:43
minghuaFujitsu: seems you are right, at least according to gstreamer docs: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-good-plugins/html/09:46
minghuaand http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-ugly-plugins/html/09:46
FujitsuThis new one eliminates most of the Debian patches :)10:00
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iapx8088hi hi all10:09
iapx8088I was wondering, is there a way to edit manpages? my package has a lintian warning about a line not terminating with .10:09
FujitsuHi.10:09
FujitsuWhat!? This can't be right. My package works :)10:10
minghuaiapx8088: depends on how your man page is made10:10
minghuaiapx8088: generally speaking, manpage is just a text file10:10
iapx8088yes, mine too, but it's a sort of macro language to10:10
iapx8088sort of .if \n+(b.=1 .nr d. \n(.c-\n(c.-110:11
iapx8088(which should be the incriminated line.10:12
iapx8088minghua, can you recognize the type?10:12
minghuaiapx8088: (I think) the language is called groff, but I know nothing about it10:12
iapx8088thank you10:13
minghuaiapx8088: sorry, no idea at all10:13
iapx8088np, good starting point.10:13
iapx8088minghua, I believe is groff, thanks.10:13
minghuaiapx8088: you are welcome10:15
\shmoins10:23
\shlooks like that I missed a change in requesting syncs...10:23
Fujitsu\sh, you certainly did :(10:24
\shFujitsu: well yes, describing why the change "merged from debian" is obsolete will be difficult ;)10:27
FujitsuHaha.10:27
FujitsuWhich request in particular?10:28
\shall my last sync requests ;)10:28
Fujitsu\sh, aha.10:28
\shbecause I didn't know that we have to explain why we can drop ubuntu changes10:28
FujitsuThere's a post on -devel-announce in August about it.10:29
\shanyways...will update the bug reports tomorrow during the day...when I have the time10:29
\shi just checked the updated developerresources wiki page...10:29
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xerxas_Hi !10:35
iapx8088do you know any groff related irc sources?10:36
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iapx8088bye10:44
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Q-FUNK'morning11:33
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Q-FUNKanybody available to sponsor Bug #61626 ?12:20
UbugtuMalone bug 61626 in cups-pdf "Please sync cups-pdf (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6162612:20
Q-FUNKor is synchronisation only taken care of by ftp masters?12:20
FujitsuYou need to get it approved by a MOTU (if it isn't already), and an archive admin will get around to syncing it.12:23
Q-FUNKok12:24
Q-FUNKwhat's needed to get it approved?12:24
FujitsuSubscribing ubuntu-universe-sponsors to it, which has already been done.12:24
Q-FUNKok12:24
Q-FUNKI'd just like to avoid yet more people reporting the exact same issue under a different bug number.12:25
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lukaswayne9I've released  a maintainence release to my simple package, gfceu.  If someone could upload it, that would be great.  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=321412:30
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minghualukaswayne9: did you see my comments about your debian/changelog?  It is missing all the previous entries12:32
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FujitsuI've updated gnomebaker to 0.6.0... Do I just ask somebody to upload it for me?12:36
Hobbsee!info gnomebaker edgy12:36
ubotugnomebaker: application for CD/DVD creation in the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 862 kB, installed size 2640 kB12:36
FujitsuIt's based off Debian 0.5.1-6, I noticed a bug requesting the upgrade when I was about to file a sync request. crimsun said I should package the new one instead.12:37
lukaswayne9!info gfceu edgy12:47
ubotugfceu: Graphical front-end using GTK2 for the FCE Ultra NES emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 29 kB, installed size 152 kB12:47
Q-FUNKlovely bots12:57
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AnAntping dholbach02:04
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jribI want to package http://wallpapoz.akbarhome.com/index.html but it's a python script to edit a config file and daemon written in python.  Are there any good example packages with a daemon written in python that I can take a look at?02:25
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fbondjrib, the package should put a wrapper in /usr/bin ... if so, you can use as an example any package that runs a deamon in /usr/bin02:56
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pianoboy3333I need help, it appears I have two keys when I do gpg --list-keys but how do I tell which I've been signing packages with?02:56
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jribfbond: thanks03:12
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bddebianHeya gang03:37
FujitsuHi bddebian.03:37
bddebianHi Fujitsu03:38
FujitsuI've got a new upstream version of gnomebaker packaged, removes dependencies on gstreamer 0.8 and the like, do I just get a MOTU to upload it?03:38
zulisnt it gnomebaker in main?03:42
FujitsuNo.03:42
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fbondit really probably should be, last time I checked... nautilus is a fairly disfunctional way to burn CDs, IMO03:45
NafalloWFM, except it's broken :-P03:46
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dholbachzakame: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!05:07
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xerxasdholbach:  ?05:19
dholbachxerxas: hm?05:19
xerxasdid you create the pymsn branch ?05:19
xerxasor I did it ?05:19
dholbachno idea05:19
xerxascannot manage to create the branch for butterfly05:19
dholbachyou have to create the product first05:19
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xerxasyes05:20
xerxasbut I can't manage to05:20
xerxaslemme retry05:20
xerxashttps://launchpad.net/products/telepathy-butterfly is this correct ?05:24
xerxashttps://launchpad.net/people/telepathy/+branch/telepathy-butterfly/ubuntu05:24
xerxascool05:24
xerxasworks !05:24
xopherWhat is telepathy really?05:27
chantrahi, when I package a soft, there is two files which are included in it, but I would like to get rid of them, how could I do?05:29
chantralike, I got /usr/lib/gaim/gaim-libnotify.la and /usr/lib/gaim/gaim-libnotify.a included, but I do not need them, how could I tell dpkg to not include them?05:30
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geserrm them from debian/tmp05:31
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AnAntbddebian: hide05:31
chantrageser: in which section should I do that?05:32
AnAntping bddebian05:33
geserchantra: see for an example http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gaim-encryption/gaim-encryption_2.38-3.1.diff.gz ; the install target05:34
AnAntping dholbach05:34
dholbachAnAnt: pong05:34
blueyedDoes anyone know who/what updates the Contents-ARCH.gz files on archive.ubuntu.com? This seems to be the reason, why apt-file cannot find "python-central"..05:36
blueyedThey are from 07 Jun..05:37
bddebianAnAnt: Yeah, sorry I will try to review freedict :-)05:37
chantrageser: cheers, I wasn't too far as I was usng dh_clean instead of rm :)05:40
chantracheers geser05:40
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AnAnt__ping bddebian05:52
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bddebianDon't ping me then leave :-)06:00
pygihey bddebian06:01
bddebianpygi: Heya06:01
Nafallohaha06:02
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xerxascan some review http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-butterfly/ubuntu/ please ?06:21
xerxasoops06:22
xerxasnot yet06:22
xerxasneed to correct sth06:22
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AnAntping bddebian06:57
bddebianAnAnt: Yes..07:04
AnAntbddebian: there you are07:05
AnAntbddebian: could you please REVU freedict , you told me to change the version number07:05
bddebianAnAnt: Did you not see my response earlier?  I'll check it out07:06
AnAntbddebian: what response ?07:07
bddebian<bddebian> AnAnt: Yeah, sorry I will try to review freedict :-)07:08
AnAntbddebian: ok, how about tss too, it's a new upload07:09
bddebianI will try.  Super busy at work lately :-(07:09
AnAntbddebian: k, thanks07:09
AnAntgotta go07:09
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Xnixanyone know what version of ACPI_DSDT patch is included in latest git of ubuntu kernel?07:26
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dholbachgood night everybody - have a great WE!08:10
pianoboy3333I need some gpg help! It appears I have two keys: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24400 how do I know which I've been signing packages, only one should have the password I've been using08:13
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gesercheck the signatures you made08:17
pianoboy3333geser: how can I do that?08:23
pianoboy3333geser: I made both!08:23
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gesergpg --verify signed_file (probable a .changes or .dsc file)08:25
pianoboy3333ok08:25
pianoboy3333thank you08:26
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Q-FUNKre08:54
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AnAntping lionelp09:04
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bluefoxicywow09:10
bluefoxicyson of the black eye is old and dead?09:10
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Nafallotseng: do we have such a thing? :-O09:11
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tsengI don't really care to be honest09:12
Nafalloin that case, why wasn't it named #sounder :-P09:12
Nafalloah :-)09:12
Q-FUNKwe do, actually09:12
bluefoxicytseng:  it just dropped out of universe o.o09:12
tseng$ apt-cache search black eye | wc -l09:13
tseng009:13
bluefoxicyit's a battle for wesnoth campaign o.o; wesnoth-sotb something.  I forget now, I wasn't paying much attention to what I was doing with synaptic.09:14
tsengright..09:14
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minghuabluefoxicy: yes, son of the black eye is dropped on version 1.1.209:32
bluefoxicyUpstream isn't carrying it anymore then, hrm.  Ah well.09:34
Kyralugh SVN is a PAIN!09:35
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bluefoxicythey say beta is due out this week or early next, rc in a couple weeks.  Edgy passed version freeze like a month ago didn't it09:36
KyralHow the heck do I commit09:36
bluefoxicysvn ci09:36
bluefoxicyKyral:  when you check something out, svn remembers like everything about it09:37
bluefoxicyI haven't figured out where it's storing the info, but it's got my sourceforge.net username and password memorized and the repository o.o;09:37
Kyralyah...stupid me used Anon access first...09:37
bluefoxicyah, then when you ci it should ask for a user/password09:37
minghuathe username is stored in .svn/09:38
bluefoxicyyes but it's letting me write without a password09:39
minghuano idea where the password is stored though (my svn doesn't remember password for me)09:39
bluefoxicy.svn doesn't have my password at all and there's no ~/.svn*  o_o  it freaks the hell out of me.09:40
Kyralyea it works :D09:41
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Kyralhttp://rubyforge.org/projects/therush/09:43
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Q-FUNKgrmbl.  having similar tools for debian and ubuntu gets confusing.10:06
Q-FUNKsuch as being sued to issue tag changes to the _debian_ bts using 'bts', issuing the same command on tis laptop running ubuntu and wondering why the debian bts doesn't receive it.10:08
Q-FUNKs/used/r/used10:08
Q-FUNKargh10:08
Q-FUNKtypos r us10:08
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Biru`biru`hi all10:12
KyralJeez I'm on a roll today10:12
KyralFirst I open a RubyForge project, and I just submitted a small service menu to KDE-Apps10:13
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geserdoes anybody know which package contains linux/compiler.h?10:33
LaserJockgeser: try packages.ubuntu.com10:34
Adri2000geser: linux-headers (apt-file is your friend ;))10:35
Biru`biru`geser, I believe the kernel10:37
gesercan a package depend on linux-headers to build?10:38
Biru`biru`I believe10:38
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Adri2000i believe too10:38
iapx8088apt-fiel update; apt-file search  linux/compiler.h10:38
geserisn't linux-headers for modules only? and linux-libc-dev (former linux-kernel-headers) for normal programs?10:41
crimsunyes10:42
geserthen I assume linux/compiler.h is missing in linux-libc-dev as it was included in linux-kernel-headers10:43
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geseraccording to goole linux/compiler.h doesn't belong to the exported kernel headers10:47
crimsunjdong_: have we discussed any changes to the backport policy?10:47
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geseris the unapproved queue for dapper-updates somewhere visible?11:09
LaserJockhmm11:10
minghuaisn't there a dapper-proposed queue now?11:12
LaserJockhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+queue11:15
gesercrimsun: do you know what happened with the upload of php4-yaz targeting dapper-updates?11:16
geserlooking at the mentioned url I can't find a trace of it11:17
crimsungeser: I have no idea; I don't have access to the innards. Try pinging kamion, keybuk, or infinity.11:18
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iapx8088ole'11:19
iapx8088have a nice night guys11:19
crimsunnight~'11:19
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LaserJockcrimsun: ok, so on those flashplugin uploads11:19
LaserJockwhy didn't you do a 0ubuntuX?11:20
LaserJockjust curious11:20
crimsunLaserJock: with a native package? That would have been silly.11:20
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crimsun7.0.68ubuntu1 >> 7.0.6811:21
crimsun7.0.68.0ubuntu1 >> 7.0.6811:21
LaserJockcrimsun: oh that's right, I forgot it's native11:22
crimsuntrust me, there's a method to my madness...11:22
LaserJockI know11:23
LaserJockI just wanted a peeking to genius ;-)11:23
crimsunpfft11:23
crimsungo talk to bddebian for genius11:23
LaserJocks/peeking to/peek into/11:23
LaserJockheh11:23
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bddebiancrimsun: Please stop mocking me :-(11:27
crimsunI'm not mocking you any more than you've already misshipped my poor pony.11:27
LaserJock:-)11:27
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minghuaLaserJock: we have a different packaging guide for each release?11:28
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LaserJockminghua: a little, more like asymtoptic itterations towards perfection, I hope ;-)11:29
AnAnt_bddebian: thanks11:29
AnAnt_guys, if I want a package to be for 64-bit only architectures, how do I set that ?11:29
LaserJockthey keep changing things on me too11:30
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LaserJockI'm trying to make it as generic as possible while still being remotely useful11:30
minghuaAnAnt_: the arch: section in debian/control specify architectures11:31
minghuaLaserJock: did you get much feedback on that doc11:32
LaserJockoh some11:32
LaserJockI have a lot of ideas to make it better11:32
AnAnt_minghua: ok, what are 64 bit archs ? ia64 & amd64 , right ? is there anything else ?11:32
LaserJockbut much less time to implement them11:32
LaserJockI'm also supposed to be in charge of the Ubuntu Developer's Reference11:33
minghuaLaserJock: I looked at the hello packaging part, it's quite nice, I hope we point more people there11:33
minghuawow, developer's reference sounds very serious to me :-)11:33
LaserJockit is11:33
LaserJockvery scary in fact11:33
AnAnt_does Edgy have a command called linux32 ?11:33
minghuaAnAnt_: Hmm, sorry I can't answer that11:33
LaserJockiwj started it11:33
LaserJockbut handed it off to me11:33
LaserJockI think I'm going to need to put a massive "call for contribution/help/suggestions" for edgy+111:34
LaserJockI just can't do it by myself11:35
AnAnt_it does, cool11:35
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LaserJock\o/11:38
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AnAnt_LaserJock: can I ask u for a REVU ?11:39
LaserJockI can try11:39
LaserJockAnAnt_: what's the url11:40
AnAnt_http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=322111:42
AnAnt_is: "sh -c" bashism ?11:42
crimsunnot at all.11:42
AnAnt_cool11:42
AnAnt_how about: cd objs32 && ./configure && $(MAKE) npviewer.bin11:43
minghualooks good to me11:43
AnAnt_k11:44
AnAnt_I'm packaging nspluginwrapper11:44
AnAnt_but I don't have a 64-bit machine !11:44
minghua(but I am not POSIX expert)11:44
minghuathe easy way to test, I suppose, is setting your /bin/sh to dash, and run those commands yourself11:45
AnAnt_anyone got a 64-bit machine ?11:46
geseryes, amd6411:46
LaserJockAnAnt_: is "Acon is Copyright 1999-2000, Ahmed Abdel-Hamid Mohamed." a typo?11:47
AnAnt_LaserJock: that's wierd, I removed that !11:47
AnAnt_LaserJock: maybe the upload didn't appear yet ?11:48
AnAnt_I uploaded few mins ago11:48
LaserJockand this might seem a little picky, but the copyright/license of the artwork isn't really clear11:48
AnAnt_actually I uploaded 20 mins ago11:49
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LaserJockhe gives credits for *some* of the artwork, but he doesn't say if they are Public Domain or anything11:49
AnAnt_LaserJock: how can I know about it ?11:49
AnAnt_ping him ?!11:49
LaserJockwell, I don't know if it's a big deal or not11:50
LaserJockyou might have somebody else look at that11:50
AnAnt_ok11:50
AnAnt_geser: can you help me test a package ?11:50
LaserJockpreferably somebody who knows what they are talking about ;-)11:50
geserAnAnt_: which one?11:50
AnAnt_geser: nspluginwrapper11:51
geserurl?11:52
AnAnt_I'll upload it shortly11:52
AnAnt_what does that lintian warning mean "native-package-with-dash-version" ?11:52
crimsunnative source packages don't have revisions delimited by hyphens11:53
crimsun(or at least shouldn't)11:53
geseryou probably got the name of the orig.tar.gz wrong11:54
AnAnt_ok, found the problem, thanks11:56
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AnAnt_LaserJock: the copyright file is correct in the diff btw11:57
AnAnt_LaserJock: as for the artwork, I dunno really11:57
minghuaAnAnt_: BTW you debian/copyright is missing part of the copyright specified in README11:57
AnAnt_geser: ok, I uploaded it, please tell me if it builds11:57
minghuaAnAnt_: and you got the author's email wrong11:57
AnAnt_minghua: huh ?11:57
AnAnt_minghua: in tss ?11:57
minghuayes11:58
minghuaand I am talking about upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=322411:58
AnAnt_minghua: what's missing from README ?11:58
minghuaLocking and shadow password retrieval code based on vlock 1.311:58
minghuaCopyright (C) 1994 Michael K. Johnson and Marek11:58
AnAnt_oh, alright11:58
AnAnt_I checked the email, I see it is correct11:59
minghuaoh? kristappleian dot peachgunstone at pean dot org (remove fruits)11:59
AnAnt_minghua: that Locking & shadow lines, should I put it at the end ?11:59
AnAnt_minghua: btw, do you think that I'd better make tss Replace vlock ?12:00
AnAnt_or is it unnecessary ?12:01
minghuaAnAnt_: why?  does tss and vlock contain files with the same name?12:01
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LaserJockI also find it a little odd that the artwork is installed to /etc12:01
AnAnt_geser: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=322712:01
AnAnt_LaserJock: where then ?12:01
LaserJockwouldn't /usr/share/tss/ be a better place?12:02
AnAnt_minghua: nope12:02
AnAnt_LaserJock: tss complains if it doesn't find /etc/tss or ~/.tss12:02
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minghuaAnAnt_: then you shouldn't use Replace12:02
LaserJockthen patch it ;-)12:02
AnAnt_LaserJock: good idea12:02
LaserJockI dont' know, what do the other, more intelligent, MOTUs think?12:03
AnAnt_LaserJock: actually I do agree that the artwork fit in share not etc12:03
minghuaAnAnt_: as for the author email, note his "remove fruits" comment12:03
AnAnt_minghua: yes, what does it mean ? I thought he meant to replace dot with . & at with @12:04
minghuaLaserJock: they are ascii arts, right?  then I agree with you on /usr/share/tss/12:04
AnAnt_ohhhhhhh12:04
NafalloAnAnt_: have you ever eaten dot and at? :-)12:04
AnAnt_minghua: thanks, I didn't understand what he meant12:05
AnAnt_Nafallo: well, some ppl use wierd comments sometimes12:05
AnAnt_Nafallo: I didn't concentrate that his email actually contained fruit names12:05
Nafallonot _that_ weird :-)12:05
AnAnt_hehe12:05
minghuathere you go :-)12:05
LaserJockminghua: yes, it is ASCII art12:05
FujitsuIt really cannot go into /etc, then.12:06
LaserJockwell, it's certainly not a config file12:06
minghuaYeah, I would say putting them in /etc is against policy12:06
geserAnAnt_: the build failed -> http://pastebin.ca/18014112:06
minghuabut maybe those ASCII arts are not distributable at all due to copyright/license issue12:07
FujitsuUnless it somehow magically stores its configuration in ASCII art, they're /usr/share/[package]  material.12:07
minghuaI especially don't like the "I have removed authoring information on some ascii art to make it look better in tss." part12:08
LaserJockmm12:08
LaserJockthat's what my question was12:08
LaserJockhe doesn't even have credits for all of them12:08
LaserJocklet alone any information that says he/or us has the right to redistribute them12:09

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