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siretart | slomo: huh? | 12:17 |
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ajmitch | hi siretart | 12:18 |
siretart | huhu ajmitch | 12:18 |
siretart | ah, luckily, I uploaded xine just before the freeze announcement ;) | 12:18 |
ajmitch | siretart: yes, though it's just slushy right now, as soyuz is not enforcing the freeze :) | 12:19 |
siretart | ajmitch: ;) | 12:19 |
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siretart | well, I need sleep. cu tomorrow! | 12:20 |
ajmitch | bye :) | 12:20 |
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Yagisan | heh heh. | 12:30 |
Yagisan | I cited myself as a source of information, used for an assignment | 12:31 |
Yagisan | that will go down well. | 12:31 |
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ajmitch | it usually doesn't in academic research without some results published that you can quote :) | 12:32 |
lupine_85 | hehe | 12:32 |
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Yagisan | ajmitch, it was harping on about VPNs, so I cited my marking page | 12:33 |
Yagisan | s/marking/marketing | 12:33 |
imbrandon | heya ajmitch did you ever see about me an account on tiber ( and a rundown of the revu-tools script ) ? | 12:35 |
imbrandon | just curious, if your busy etc no worries | 12:35 |
ajmitch | no I didn't, was busy sorry :) | 12:35 |
ajmitch | I can do it now if you want | 12:36 |
imbrandon | sure | 12:36 |
imbrandon | ;) | 12:36 |
Hawkwind | imbrandon: Did you ever get any information on that bug I emailed you about...did the person you spoke to about it ever reply with anything ? | 12:37 |
Yagisan | now I'm off to grab some shuteye while the kids are in bed. | 12:38 |
Yagisan | catch you later - see if I can bust my system some more when I wake up | 12:38 |
Fujitsu | Bye! | 12:39 |
imbrandon | Hawkwind: i passed your information to them, i'll poke them again if they havent got to you | 12:40 |
Hawkwind | imbrandon: Thanks. I keep asking because the guy who filed the bug originally is in need of those files to complete his project he's working on | 12:44 |
imbrandon | ahh | 12:44 |
imbrandon | ajmitch: the amd64x2's have sse3 correct ? ( you have an x2 iirc is why i'm asking ) | 12:55 |
ajmitch | don't think so | 12:57 |
ajmitch | only up to sse2 | 12:57 |
imbrandon | hum | 12:57 |
imbrandon | that bites | 12:57 |
ajmitch | why? :) | 12:57 |
ajmitch | maybe later (AM2) X2s have it | 12:57 |
imbrandon | osx_x86 only runs on sse3 processors | 12:58 |
imbrandon | i was thinking about upgrading my proc so i could try it ;) | 12:58 |
ajmitch | I was wrong | 12:58 |
ajmitch | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow up pni lahf_lm cmp_legacy | 12:58 |
ajmitch | but wikipedia says it has sse3 | 12:58 |
ajmitch | so what should I believe? | 12:58 |
Nafallo | ajmitch: you have and am2? | 12:58 |
ajmitch | the impeccable journalism of wikipedia? ;) | 12:58 |
imbrandon | heh i would beleave proc/cpuinfo | 12:58 |
imbrandon | hehe | 12:59 |
ajmitch | Nafallo: no, socket 939 | 12:59 |
Nafallo | www.amd64.com fwiw | 12:59 |
imbrandon | heh well i was willing to grab a new cpu to play with it but not a new computer | 01:00 |
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imbrandon | works ok on my ibook anyhow ;) | 01:00 |
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StevenK | In terms of socket size, anyway | 01:00 |
StevenK | I have /proc/cpuinfo for the rest. | 01:01 |
Yagisan | imbrandon, there are ways to run osx if you only have sse2, but it's not on-topic in channel, and you'll need to ping me when I wake up for details | 01:01 |
imbrandon | Yagisan: yea i have done it but no rosetta and its SLOW ;) | 01:01 |
imbrandon | i seen the sse2 patch | 01:01 |
Yagisan | imbrandon, ok. so you already know then ;) | 01:01 |
ajmitch | imbrandon: well, check in some reputable places to find out if it does have sse3 | 01:02 |
Yagisan | I don't need to warn you - but ubuntu is much better anyway :P | 01:02 |
imbrandon | yea i have 2 legit copies of osx ( 10.2 and 10.4 ) i was gonna play with but its not worth new computer for ;) | 01:02 |
imbrandon | Yagisan: yup thus i run kubuntu on my ibook ;) well dual boot | 01:02 |
ajmitch | imbrandon: most places say it has sse3 | 01:02 |
imbrandon | but hey its still a *nix os ;) | 01:02 |
Yagisan | imbrandon, ajmitch some amd64 models do have sse3, some don't. /proc/cpuinfo is your friend | 01:02 |
imbrandon | Yagisan: yea i cant on one i dont own yet though ;) | 01:03 |
ajmitch | Yagisan: referring to the X2, reports say all of them do | 01:03 |
ajmitch | but treports are conflicting :) | 01:03 |
imbrandon | i guess i could take a livecd to the store ;) | 01:03 |
LaserJock | imbrandon: you get a chroot on OSX yet? :-) | 01:03 |
Yagisan | ajmitch, some eairly x2 steppings don't. All new should | 01:04 |
imbrandon | LaserJock: well i did and dident , i did as in i got it BUT it wont make ubuntu compat binarys becouse of the mach-o kernel | 01:04 |
ajmitch | Yagisan: mine's probably early | 01:04 |
ajmitch | stepping : 1 | 01:04 |
Yagisan | ajmitch, I have one of the earliest 754 models | 01:04 |
ajmitch | guess that means I have to upgrade then ;) | 01:05 |
Yagisan | ajmitch, I can't even run ubuntu amd64 in vmware :( | 01:05 |
ajmitch | worrying | 01:05 |
ajmitch | it runs fine for me | 01:05 |
Yagisan | ajmitch, stepping : 0 | 01:05 |
ajmitch | oh dear, a .0 release | 01:05 |
Yagisan | ajmitch, as I said - like - the very first ones | 01:06 |
Yagisan | ajmitch, but I bought it to run Ubuntu amd64 native, so I'm happy with it | 01:06 |
imbrandon | mine is a stepping 2 but not an x2 , here is the cpu info http://pastebin.ca/179121 | 01:06 |
imbrandon | no sse3 ;( | 01:06 |
imbrandon | thus i was gonna upgrade it becouse the board will take an x2 | 01:06 |
lupine_85 | mine is a sempron socket 754 - now that's old ;) | 01:07 |
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imbrandon | heh | 01:08 |
ajmitch | yeah | 01:08 |
Yagisan | imbrandon, look at my old one -> http://pastebin.ca/179122 | 01:08 |
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imbrandon | heh ___my___ first computer ( e.g that wasent a family comp or my dads etc etc etc ) was a pent pro 166 | 01:09 |
Yagisan | anyway, I said I was going to bed -> outta here | 01:09 |
imbrandon | laster Yagisan | 01:09 |
lupine_85 | I've still got a P120 pre-mmx somewhere :) | 01:10 |
imbrandon | heh yea i have some old one like that arround , just dunno where | 01:10 |
imbrandon | i had a 100mhz cyrix setup as a router not too long ago | 01:10 |
imbrandon | running sarge heh | 01:11 |
imbrandon | that got replaced with a 333mhz 96mb ram breezy-->dapper box , thats still running | 01:11 |
ajmitch | what have you started, imbrandon? | 01:11 |
imbrandon | wow no kidding | 01:11 |
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lupine_85 | j/k ;) | 01:12 |
Nafallo | my first was a p75 with 16MB ram :-) | 01:12 |
Nafallo | ~500MB harddrive | 01:12 |
imbrandon | hahah i had a vic20 , well "we" did | 01:12 |
imbrandon | Nafallo: yea that p pro i had , had a ~800mb hdd and 32mb ram and a 4mb ati video card , i was rockin | 01:13 |
StevenK | My first computer was a 386SX 25 with 4Mb of RAM | 01:13 |
imbrandon | spent like 2k on it back then | 01:13 |
zul | mine was apple 2gs | 01:13 |
Nafallo | lol | 01:13 |
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imbrandon | heh we had apple //e's in school ( oragan tail anyone ? ) heheh | 01:14 |
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imbrandon | with apple basic | 01:14 |
imbrandon | heh | 01:14 |
Nafallo | hmm | 01:14 |
lupine_85 | I played with BBC BASIC a bit | 01:15 |
Nafallo | do not open flash-things from amd :-P | 01:15 |
lupine_85 | and C=4 basic :) | 01:15 |
lupine_85 | erm, C=64 | 01:15 |
Nafallo | they make epiphany take 100% ;-) | 01:15 |
imbrandon | i rember spending lots of nights typing in peeks and pokes into a c64 also | 01:15 |
LaserJock | hmm, well my first non-family computer was a 1.6GHz Celeron from Wal-mart :) | 01:15 |
LaserJock | so there :p | 01:15 |
imbrandon | assembly was the only way to do cool stuff on the c64 ;) | 01:15 |
imbrandon | hehe | 01:15 |
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imbrandon | LaserJock: owow | 01:16 |
imbrandon | heh | 01:16 |
Fujitsu | My first non-family computer was this laptop, in January :P | 01:17 |
imbrandon | i seen a howto to gut a c64 and put a 900mhz system in it, with slimline dvd+rw drive and all | 01:17 |
Fujitsu | imbrandon, nice. | 01:17 |
Fujitsu | I've got two C64s here, one with a dead video connector :( | 01:17 |
imbrandon | the only thing i dident like was you couldent use the origial keyboard, it was just for show | 01:17 |
Fujitsu | And a floppy drive without power supply, I'm going to make one at some point. | 01:17 |
Fujitsu | imbrandon, it should be possible to make a converter for the keyboard >:) | 01:18 |
imbrandon | yea you have to make a pcb to convert it to ps/2 | 01:18 |
plugwash | hmm, bit of hardware hacking should get the original keyboard to work unless its really horrible | 01:18 |
imbrandon | http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/c64/ | 01:19 |
imbrandon | there it is | 01:19 |
lupine_85 | Gut a C=64?! | 01:19 |
plugwash | someone got a beeb keyboard working on a linux box built in a beeb case with little trouble (iirc he used the pcb out of a cheap ps/2 keyboard to scan the original keyboard matrix and then remapped the keys in software) | 01:19 |
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imbrandon | plugwash: yea i seen that | 01:19 |
imbrandon | the only other thing i would do besides a c64 is a NES and wire the controlers to the ubs ports with the orig connections etc | 01:20 |
imbrandon | i ahve seen that done too | 01:20 |
imbrandon | its very nice | 01:20 |
plugwash | really most keyboards are a matrix once you rip off the original controller so as long as your new controller can scan a matrix thats big enough and you have a way to remap the input in software you are fine | 01:20 |
plugwash | as a matrix is really the only sensible way to make a keyboard | 01:21 |
imbrandon | classic quite from the howto though .... "I bought a defect C64 on Ebay for almost two Euros. Sometimes you just have to throw in some serious money to get what you really, really want :-)" | 01:22 |
imbrandon | heh | 01:22 |
imbrandon | i can see showing up at the dev summit with a retro c64 + lcd to do some coding | 01:25 |
imbrandon | or akademy , kde running on a c64 ;) | 01:25 |
zul | heh 10 print "hello" 20 goto 10 | 01:25 |
imbrandon | haha | 01:25 |
imbrandon | add a ; to the end of "hello" and it would fill the screen ;) | 01:26 |
imbrandon | eg no linebreak | 01:26 |
zul | yeah i dont remember my basic | 01:26 |
imbrandon | load * ,8,1 | 01:26 |
imbrandon | or soemthing like that | 01:26 |
imbrandon | would load the first program from the floppy device 8 | 01:27 |
zul | of casette | 01:27 |
imbrandon | heh oh man , i hated those days the more i think about it, start to load a chess program and go eat dinner and come back it still would be laoding | 01:27 |
imbrandon | hrm i bet there is a c64 emu in universe | 01:29 |
imbrandon | lol | 01:29 |
Fujitsu | imbrandon, I'm sure there is. | 01:29 |
Fujitsu | vice! | 01:30 |
imbrandon | yea just installed it, seems not to work | 01:30 |
LaserJock | gee whiz, you guys seriously don't have anything better to do? ;-) | 01:30 |
Fujitsu | I'm waiting for cernlib to build! | 01:30 |
ajmitch | go fix bugs | 01:30 |
imbrandon | heh good idea | 01:31 |
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Fujitsu | Gr... | 01:34 |
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Fujitsu | 1.3GHz Pentium Ms aren't great. | 01:34 |
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StevenK | Fujitsu: Ahh, that's my laptop. | 01:34 |
StevenK | Fujitsu: IBM X40 | 01:35 |
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LaserJock | Fujitsu: I have 1.3 GHz P4 desktop | 01:35 |
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ajmitch | except it suddenly dropped off the network during a dist-upgrade :) | 01:35 |
Fujitsu | Oh, that one, ajmitch :P | 01:35 |
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imbrandon | heh | 01:35 |
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imbrandon | mmm | 01:36 |
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hfntsh | anyone up to explain stupid things to a newbie? | 02:19 |
azeem | just ask | 02:20 |
hfntsh | well, i read all about creating, merging and updating packages. | 02:20 |
hfntsh | and experimented with it a bait | 02:20 |
hfntsh | but i couldn't understand where you list the open assignments | 02:20 |
hfntsh | or how do i get stuff to do | 02:21 |
lophyte | apt-cache -i unmet | 02:21 |
lophyte | those are all broken packages that need to be fixed | 02:21 |
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LaserJock | merges.ubuntu.com for merges and syncs | 02:22 |
LaserJock | azeem: I've got a question for you | 02:23 |
hfntsh | and where do i submit what i've done? | 02:23 |
LaserJock | hfntsh: here | 02:23 |
LaserJock | azeem: how does one take of maintainership of a package in Debian? | 02:23 |
hfntsh | do i just upload it somewhere and send someone the link? | 02:24 |
LaserJock | azeem: Kyral would like to hand over EasyChem to debichem | 02:24 |
azeem | take over? | 02:24 |
azeem | oh! | 02:24 |
lophyte | submit it to REVU | 02:24 |
lophyte | or here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019922.html | 02:24 |
azeem | I tried to ping him here some days ago | 02:24 |
hfntsh | thanks, i'll look into those | 02:24 |
azeem | LaserJock: the formal process would be to file a bug against wnpp, with a subject "o: easychem", and then one of us retitling it to "ita: easychem", and then upload with new maintainer (and closing the bug) | 02:25 |
hfntsh | as for REVU, i've added my launchpad account to the package contributor group, but still can't use my account to log into REVU. should i somehow create another one? | 02:25 |
azeem | but if he agrees, we can just upload with "New maintainer." I guess | 02:25 |
lophyte | hfntsh: not sure, I haven't used REVU yet | 02:26 |
azeem | actually, Daniel has prepared a rather lengthy NMU of easychem I wanted to upload to DELAYED over the last days, but didn't get around to | 02:26 |
LaserJock | hfntsh: you need to upload first | 02:26 |
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LaserJock | azeem: ok, and I have a new upstream release of gausssum to package | 02:26 |
hfntsh | how do i do that without an account? | 02:26 |
LaserJock | hfntsh: dput | 02:27 |
elmore_ | could somebody please tell me the best and most popular free software equivalents for secondlife? | 02:27 |
azeem | LaserJock: I am not quite sure how to handle the Maintainer: field for now, I suggest putting the main guy in there, and possibly me (and whoever else cares) in Uploaders: for the time being | 02:27 |
LaserJock | if I knew what secondlife was I could perhaps help ;-) | 02:27 |
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LaserJock | azeem: we can't do a mailing list like some team do? | 02:28 |
elmore_ | LaserJock: secondlife is something quite much similar to activeworlds, it's just that it's much more featured and it provides much more freedom | 02:30 |
LaserJock | hehe | 02:30 |
elmore_ | what are the best equivalents to activeworlds? | 02:30 |
LaserJock | what's activeworlds? | 02:30 |
elmore_ | alternatives | 02:30 |
elmore_ | :)) | 02:30 |
elmore_ | i thought you knew about activeworlds | 02:31 |
elmore_ | ok, they're both an alternative to there | 02:31 |
elmore_ | "there" | 02:31 |
elmore_ | the 3d world\ | 02:31 |
elmore_ | something like an internet "virtual" business | 02:31 |
LaserJock | wow, that doesn't make any sense to me | 02:32 |
LaserJock | hopefully somebody can help you though | 02:32 |
elmore_ | what doesn't make any sense to you? | 02:32 |
LaserJock | it's business web software? | 02:33 |
azeem | LaserJock: we definetely should do this in the near future, yeah | 02:33 |
azeem | LaserJock: did you do any work on easychem, or have a special interest in? | 02:33 |
elmore_ | download secondlife, the linux client, and see it for yourself. | 02:33 |
azeem | otherwise, I'll tell Daniel to put himself as Maintainer for now, upload and then we can see what to do about Maintainer: in general | 02:33 |
LaserJock | I haven't done any work on it | 02:33 |
azeem | ok | 02:34 |
LaserJock | also, i'd like to get bkchem | 02:34 |
LaserJock | I know Daniel has a package, and bddebian made one too | 02:34 |
LaserJock | I think it'd be a nice addition to the vast sea of molecular drawing programs | 02:34 |
azeem | oh | 02:34 |
azeem | totall | 02:35 |
azeem | y | 02:35 |
LaserJock | an undergrad in my lab said it was the best linux molecule drawing program he's tried | 02:35 |
azeem | I asked Daniel about it recently, and he said it needs to get transitioned to the new python policy | 02:35 |
LaserJock | that shouldn't be too hard | 02:35 |
azeem | I need to ask Barry for his package, maybe we can merge his stuff if he has done that | 02:35 |
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azeem | LaserJock: I put bkchem into debichem svn if you want to take a look or just do it | 02:36 |
LaserJock | ok, cool | 02:36 |
azeem | let me see whether Daniel mentioned any other blockers | 02:36 |
LaserJock | I transitioned gausssum so I have a little bit of an idea of how to do it | 02:36 |
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azeem | LaserJock: he also said there was a problem with a locally modified python-pmw | 02:38 |
azeem | he wants to sort it out with upstream, but I think we should just maybe just ship it in a non-default place to have it in etch/edgy | 02:39 |
azeem | LaserJock: tell me if you get around doing the python transition, and I'll talk to Daniel again about uploading it | 02:40 |
LaserJock | azeem: ok | 02:40 |
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LaserJock | azeem: wow, I just svn up'd my debichem checkout :-) | 02:44 |
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Fujitsu | Argh. My machine is now lagging up... It's actually using swap for the first time ever... | 02:54 |
Fujitsu | 8 minutes to confirm one of my syncs, crimsun! Not bad at all :) | 02:55 |
crimsun | sorry, I just reattached. | 02:55 |
fowlduck | jeeze synaptic is flakey | 02:58 |
Fujitsu | Is it? | 02:59 |
Fujitsu | I've never used it. | 02:59 |
fowlduck | well, under kubuntu edgy | 02:59 |
Fujitsu | Synaptic in Kubuntu? | 02:59 |
fowlduck | and azureus doesn't start | 02:59 |
fowlduck | ya | 02:59 |
imbrandon | LaserJock: secondlife is a MMRPG without the RPG , and you can make real money by making games in game with scripts | 03:00 |
imbrandon | heh | 03:00 |
lupine_85 | creating new packages - where it says "you must include a copyright and a license file", does it mean a file (debian/license ?) containing the full versions of all licenses used by the program? | 03:01 |
Fujitsu | MMORPG minus the RPG. | 03:01 |
imbrandon | lol | 03:01 |
imbrandon | yea | 03:01 |
imbrandon | MMORPG ;) | 03:01 |
Fujitsu | A friend played it for a while. | 03:01 |
crimsun | azureus 2.5 will require considerable resources to merge | 03:01 |
crimsun | (someone else should feel free to tackle it) | 03:01 |
Fujitsu | crimsun, noted. I looked at it, and quickly ran away. | 03:01 |
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Fujitsu | Poor laptop... 5 pbuilders running, and it's really lagging up. | 03:02 |
imbrandon | but the startup thing is probably a bash/dash thing like limewire/frostwire | 03:02 |
imbrandon | without looking at it | 03:02 |
Fujitsu | imbrandon, probably... dash has caused a lot of issues, but it's a good idea. | 03:02 |
Fujitsu | Somebody in -offtopic is recommending X -configure rather than dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg... That's wrong, isn't it? | 03:04 |
crimsun | no | 03:04 |
crimsun | (it's just not the Debian/Ubuntu way) | 03:04 |
Fujitsu | Well, that's what I meant by wrong. | 03:04 |
imbrandon | either way works , its just what your used to | 03:04 |
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bddebian | Heya gang | 03:06 |
imbrandon | heya bddebian | 03:06 |
lupine_85 | it's wrong in the same way that it's wrong to call the evening meal 'dinner'? ;) | 03:06 |
bddebian | Hi imbrandon | 03:06 |
minghua | well, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg hasn't worked for me in debian for quite some time | 03:06 |
imbrandon | minghua: what about ubuntu, i use it pretty regularly | 03:07 |
Fujitsu | imbrandon, same. | 03:07 |
minghua | imbrandon: sorry, I don't have an Ubuntu install currently | 03:07 |
imbrandon | minghua: was just curious , how does it "not work" e.g it segfaults ? dosnret write the config ? etc | 03:08 |
imbrandon | just wondering | 03:08 |
LaserJock | imbrandon: what's a MMRPG? | 03:08 |
imbrandon | MMORPG , massive multi player online role playing game | 03:09 |
minghua | oh, in my case, the debconf questions goes through fine, but /etc/X11/xorg.conf is not changed at all after the dpkg-reconfigure run | 03:09 |
imbrandon | like evercrack | 03:09 |
imbrandon | minghua: you are running it as root or sudo correct ? sorry i had to ask | 03:09 |
LaserJock | imbrandon: wow, that's worse then even Debian acronyms ;-) | 03:09 |
imbrandon | LaserJock: hehe | 03:09 |
minghua | imbrandon: yes, sudo | 03:10 |
imbrandon | minghua: not trying to talk down or such, just gotta "get on the same page" ya know ;) | 03:10 |
jsgotangco | LaserJock: im surprised you haven't heard of the term | 03:10 |
Fujitsu | It's a very common acronym... | 03:10 |
ajmitch | hi | 03:10 |
minghua | imbrandon: no problem, I am happy that someone else cares about my problem :-) | 03:11 |
imbrandon | hrm and you checked the file perms on xorg.conf and made sure it dident get made unwriteable for somereason ? | 03:11 |
minghua | imbrandon: and FYI, dpkg-reconfigure can't be run as an ordinary user | 03:11 |
minghua | imbrandon: good point | 03:11 |
imbrandon | minghua: i dident think so but i wanted to make sure ;) | 03:12 |
minghua | but that's a fresh install from etch d-i, so it's a bug either way | 03:12 |
imbrandon | right right , just trying to maybe narrow it down since etch is comming "sometime" ;) | 03:12 |
imbrandon | i dont have a debian proper install handy to test myself | 03:13 |
imbrandon | i do on the laptop but i'm lazy and its downstairs | 03:13 |
imbrandon | heh | 03:13 |
imbrandon | and its sid anyhow | 03:13 |
lupine_85 | hmmm... how would one go about packaging a compiler (fpc - www.freepascal.org) that depends on a binary (itself) which isn't in ubuntu, to build? | 03:13 |
bddebian | lupine_85: You have to bootstrap it. It's not fun | 03:14 |
ajmitch | lupine_85: it's in ubuntu, needs bootstrapped | 03:14 |
imbrandon | bootstrap | 03:14 |
ajmitch | infinity was looking at it a couple of days ago | 03:14 |
lupine_85 | so, would one put all the different compiler binaries into the source package? | 03:14 |
ajmitch | no | 03:14 |
ajmitch | that would be evil | 03:14 |
imbrandon | heh | 03:14 |
lupine_85 | fugly way of doing it :) | 03:14 |
ajmitch | bootstrapping of stuff like that is done on the buildds | 03:15 |
lupine_85 | wget etc? | 03:15 |
minghua | imbrandon: the file permission looks fine (644, root:root), and I've just tried again, and xorg.conf is just untouched | 03:15 |
ajmitch | by an admin | 03:15 |
minghua | imbrandon: this is in a quite old chroot sid though | 03:15 |
imbrandon | minghua: wow , ok , i'll try it on mine when i get a chance , but it does workin ubuntu | 03:15 |
minghua | imbrandon: I'll try a fresh install again and make sure to report it before etch is released | 03:15 |
imbrandon | i would try to get someone to verify that and file a debianbts bug | 03:15 |
imbrandon | yup yup[ | 03:15 |
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ajmitch | now if this were #debian, and you were talking about ubuntu... ;) | 03:16 |
lupine_85 | I was thinking about packaging the lot up at some point after finishing rutilt, but it sounds like something I wouldn't be able to do | 03:16 |
imbrandon | ajmitch: hahah i was thinking the exact same thing earlier | 03:16 |
imbrandon | ajmitch: but we're not that bad ;) | 03:16 |
ajmitch | of course not | 03:17 |
crimsun | Fujitsu: please complete your debdiff for #61768. It lacks the information listed in the new sync policy. | 03:17 |
crimsun | new merge policy, rather | 03:17 |
minghua | ajmitch: yeah, sorry to be off-topic :-) | 03:17 |
LaserJock | jsgotangco: I've heard of RPGs but not MMORPG | 03:17 |
ajmitch | minghua: debian isn't offtopic here | 03:17 |
jsgotangco | LaserJock: World of Warcraft | 03:17 |
Fujitsu | crimsun, shall do... | 03:17 |
lupine_85 | failing including the binaries, /me would change rules to wget the appropriate fpc<arch> binary and build using that ;) | 03:17 |
ajmitch | World of Addiction | 03:17 |
minghua | ajmitch: not even a debian bug that is unreproducible in ubuntu? | 03:17 |
Fujitsu | Oh, woops. | 03:18 |
Fujitsu | I'm sure I did that... | 03:18 |
LaserJock | ajmitch: I thought that was Ubuntu | 03:18 |
ajmitch | minghua: doesn't worry me | 03:18 |
imbrandon | ajmitch: we're nice , ubotu dosent spit out "debian - an african word for i cant configure ubuntu" when you /mesage ubotu debian ;) | 03:18 |
ajmitch | LaserJock: different addictions :) | 03:18 |
ajmitch | I wonder if I can get f-spot into sid before I have to leave | 03:18 |
imbrandon | hehe | 03:19 |
bddebian | Have to leave? | 03:19 |
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ajmitch | bddebian: in about 10-20 minutes | 03:19 |
bddebian | Oh, hehe | 03:19 |
imbrandon | ( note that was an sarcastic remark about the dpkg bot on oftc ) | 03:19 |
minghua | naughty dpkg | 03:20 |
imbrandon | heheh | 03:20 |
lupine_85 | surely "debian" is American for "no red under the bed here..." ;) | 03:21 |
imbrandon | minghua: "/msg dpkg ubuntu" sometime on oftc ;( | 03:21 |
LaserJock | imbrandon: I thought it was in the topic | 03:21 |
minghua | imbrandon: just tried. not as bad as you described :-) | 03:22 |
imbrandon | LaserJock: it is | 03:22 |
LaserJock | I think it's rather funny myself | 03:22 |
imbrandon | 20:22 <dpkg> methinks ubuntu is 1. Ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. ....... | 03:23 |
imbrandon | kinda childish heh but oh well so am I at times | 03:23 |
tseng | haha | 03:23 |
zul | oh they are just bitter | 03:23 |
tseng | with a nick of dpkg they must be an epert | 03:23 |
tseng | expert | 03:23 |
plugwash | dpkg is a bot | 03:23 |
minghua | imbrandon: childish indeed, but the 2. part is actually good and informative | 03:23 |
tseng | I see | 03:24 |
imbrandon | minghua: yea the 2 was just added in the last days | 03:24 |
Xnix | does anyone in here know if the edgy kernel has support for the echoaudio sound drivers | 03:27 |
Xnix | they are in official alsa for a while now, but i know they were not in dapper for some reason | 03:27 |
lupine_85 | echoaudio? is that the name of the module? | 03:27 |
imbrandon | crimsun: did you get all the ubuntu-*-sponsor packages , or are there still some for me to poke at | 03:27 |
LaserJock | hhh, crimsun and Fujitsu are filling up my mailbox, excellent work you guys :-) | 03:27 |
Fujitsu | crimsun, fixed. | 03:27 |
Fujitsu | LaserJock, :) | 03:27 |
crimsun | imbrandon: I've already done them. | 03:27 |
imbrandon | crimsun: cool , ok | 03:27 |
imbrandon | too fast for me | 03:28 |
crimsun | Xnix: they're enabled in Edgy | 03:28 |
Fujitsu | Oh, they're a lot more where they came from >:) | 03:28 |
Fujitsu | Oop.s | 03:28 |
crimsun | $ locate snd-|grep echoaudio|wc -l | 03:28 |
crimsun | 12 | 03:28 |
imbrandon | Fujitsu: oh i'm sure ;) | 03:28 |
Xnix | crimsun :) AWESOME!! :) :) that made my day | 03:28 |
Fujitsu | There are a lot more. | 03:28 |
Xnix | crimsun thanks a bunch | 03:28 |
LaserJock | my pbuilder doesn't work that fast :/ | 03:28 |
imbrandon | LaserJock: hehe | 03:28 |
imbrandon | i can see Fujitsu takin on merges.ubuntu.com all alone next release cycle ;) | 03:29 |
imbrandon | hehe | 03:30 |
Fujitsu | I'll have little better to do, with 3 months off school :P | 03:30 |
zul | heh i would do merges but im just a tad too busy | 03:30 |
imbrandon | zul: i can imagine ;) | 03:30 |
imbrandon | i did a tad bit of fixes earlier , the last few hours just been goffin off | 03:31 |
imbrandon | i think the only thing i actualy got uploaded today was a usplash fix | 03:31 |
ajmitch | back on monday | 03:32 |
imbrandon | laster ajmitch , have fun | 03:32 |
imbrandon | later* | 03:32 |
Fujitsu | Bye! | 03:32 |
rmjb | bye | 03:32 |
zul | imbrandon: ewww...you are actually touching usplash? brave man | 03:32 |
imbrandon | zul: heh just the post install to fix the kubuntu artwork on upgrade | 03:33 |
imbrandon | heh | 03:33 |
zul | ah | 03:33 |
imbrandon | yea i'm staying clear of that code till it settles ;) | 03:34 |
imbrandon | they are having enough fun with it without me muckin something up | 03:34 |
LaserJock | man, I think I'm getting some of these bug email 3 times | 03:36 |
fowlduck | me too | 03:37 |
fowlduck | or twice, rather | 03:37 |
LaserJock | I get 1 from ubuntu-science, 1 from ubuntu-universe-sponsors, and 1 from universe-bugs I think | 03:38 |
imbrandon | heh | 03:38 |
imbrandon | my procmail filters all that so i only end up with one | 03:39 |
slomo | Fujitsu: are you requesting syncs for all these packages only because debian has something newer or do you have any other reasons? :) | 03:39 |
LaserJock | the stupid thing is, they are going to 2 different emails | 03:39 |
minghua | I decided to unsubscribe universe-bugs a month ago | 03:39 |
LaserJock | yeah, I might do that too | 03:39 |
LaserJock | I just don't get anything from it | 03:39 |
LaserJock | imbrandon: really? | 03:39 |
minghua | and my email traffic dropped to, like, one half | 03:39 |
imbrandon | slomo: afaik he is just going down the merges.ubuntu.com list , the ones that are syncs he is requesting | 03:39 |
LaserJock | imbrandon: I'm just trying to figure out how to use procmail | 03:40 |
imbrandon | LaserJock: yea i love it | 03:40 |
imbrandon | i have a HUGE procmailrc though | 03:40 |
imbrandon | lol | 03:40 |
rmjb | for firefox to use native widgets, does it need a recompile? | 03:40 |
imbrandon | gmail --> fetchmail --> procmail --> imap --> client == heaven | 03:40 |
minghua | LaserJock: you subscribe to universe-bugs and doesn't use procmail? amazing | 03:40 |
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imbrandon | rmjb: native as in QT ? gtk ? or ...... | 03:41 |
rmjb | gtk | 03:41 |
imbrandon | and either way yes | 03:41 |
rmjb | widgets on the pages I mean | 03:41 |
rmjb | not the chrome | 03:41 |
imbrandon | oh i have no idea about the page widgets, they are all qt looking for me | 03:42 |
rmjb | I dunno... buttons in gmail and so don't fit | 03:42 |
LaserJock | minghua: universe-bugs and it goes to my gmail | 03:42 |
imbrandon | LaserJock: all my mail go's to gmail first then fetchmail gets it and then procmail then imap | 03:43 |
imbrandon | then ME ;) | 03:43 |
LaserJock | imbrandon: ok, that's it | 03:43 |
LaserJock | I need to figure out how you us fetchmail to get mail from gmail | 03:43 |
LaserJock | I got it to sorta work | 03:43 |
imbrandon | simple, lemme password sanitize my config and i'll give it to you | 03:44 |
LaserJock | but it downloads like 800+ email *every* time | 03:44 |
imbrandon | its like 2 lines in fetchmailrc | 03:44 |
imbrandon | LaserJock: mine dosent | 03:44 |
LaserJock | how do you run fetchmail? | 03:44 |
imbrandon | only new stuff, checks ever 60 seconds | 03:44 |
imbrandon | cron | 03:44 |
imbrandon | a crontab under my user account ever minute | 03:44 |
imbrandon | every | 03:45 |
minghua | imbrandon: you run fetchmail in cron? | 03:45 |
LaserJock | I think fetchmail can be run as a deamon | 03:45 |
imbrandon | minghua: yea not as a daemon | 03:45 |
minghua | imbrandon: any advantage that way? | 03:45 |
imbrandon | minghua: so i can have better control over when it stops etc, like i have it NOT run on weeksends and such if i want | 03:45 |
minghua | hmm, makes sense | 03:46 |
LaserJock | well, I don't think I can do cron stuff on the server | 03:46 |
rmjb | is Martin Pitt here? | 03:47 |
LaserJock | although if I could get my @ubuntu.com address to forward right then it would be a lot less irritating | 03:47 |
LaserJock | that's pitti | 03:48 |
rmjb | I guess he's not on now | 03:48 |
LaserJock | and I think he's probably in bed | 03:48 |
imbrandon | LaserJock: sure you can , run "cron -e" and you should be able to set user cron jobs on any shell account | 03:48 |
imbrandon | LaserJock: http://pastebin.ca/179271 <-- my fetchmail | 03:48 |
imbrandon | passwd changed of course | 03:48 |
LaserJock | imbrandon: how did you get the cert? | 03:49 |
imbrandon | you make it | 03:49 |
imbrandon | hold on one sec | 03:49 |
rmjb | anyone know the process to cobble together a variation of the english language settings in ubuntu and gnome? | 03:49 |
imbrandon | i used a howto | 03:49 |
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imbrandon | btw its "crontab -e" not cron | 03:49 |
imbrandon | for user cron jobs | 03:49 |
rmjb | I want to create en-TT with en-GB spelling but en-US paper and currency symbol and customised date formats | 03:50 |
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rmjb | is there a wiki entry that describes this? | 03:51 |
imbrandon | LaserJock: http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/postfix_tutorial.html <--grep for "5. Safety First: Configure fetchmail with STARTTLS" | 03:51 |
imbrandon | it explains how to do the ssl part for gmail | 03:51 |
imbrandon | LaserJock: you only need the stuff in section 5 of that page, ignore the rest | 03:52 |
lupine_85 | wow, there's a bug and a half... el package created /share ! I dread to think what it did in /bin | 03:54 |
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imbrandon | sony rootkit ? | 03:55 |
lupine_85 | heh, no it's mine! | 03:55 |
lupine_85 | it's got a fugly build process and hardcodes paths into the binary | 03:56 |
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lupine_85 | ah, got it | 03:57 |
lupine_85 | "./configure.sh --prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/rutilt" ... needs /usr on the end, lol | 03:58 |
minghua | rmjb: I don't quite understand you. did you mean to create a new locale? | 03:59 |
rmjb | I guess that's what it is, since it seems all the english variants are delievered in the same package | 04:00 |
minghua | rmjb: I remember reading it somewhere, but can't find it right now. But I know it's not an easy task | 04:01 |
LaserJock | imbrandon: ok, if I just run fetchmail from a terminal it wants to download 500+ emails | 04:01 |
LaserJock | imbrandon: I have about 1300 total accoring to "All Mail" in gmail | 04:01 |
minghua | rmjb: if just for your own use, it's probably easier to just used mixed LC_* settings | 04:01 |
rmjb | What I'd like, is when you go to the Language Support toool in gnome you can choose English (Trinidad and Tobago) just like you can for English (Austrailia) | 04:02 |
LaserJock | imbrandon: do you have gmail set to delete the emails after they are grabed by POP | 04:02 |
minghua | LaserJock: https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13291&topic=1555 ? | 04:02 |
minghua | LaserJock: I copy and pasted that URL from the debian Chinese user mailing list | 04:03 |
minghua | I don't use gmail myself | 04:03 |
rmjb | where can I customise my locale details?? like paper sizes (letter instead of A4), currency symbol, date format and so on? | 04:03 |
minghua | rmjb: oh I see. I am not sure Ubuntu's language support tool can give you that detailed setting. Anybody can confirm? | 04:04 |
LaserJock | minghua: hmm, yeah, that could be | 04:05 |
minghua | rmjb: open an X terminal and run "locale", those output are the individual settings | 04:05 |
rmjb | oh... well I guess all I want to do is create a customised group of those parameters and call that en_TT | 04:06 |
LaserJock | mwuahaha, I think it's working | 04:09 |
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imbrandon | LaserJock: no i have it set to archive them | 04:12 |
imbrandon | LaserJock: it only gets so many at a time , the initial downlaod you have to run a few times | 04:13 |
imbrandon | gmail will only let you download like 500 then 300 then 500 etc etc etc untill it gets all 1300 | 04:13 |
LaserJock | ok, that was my problem | 04:13 |
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imbrandon | yea i have it set to archive them on gmail incase some catastrophy and my backups are good etc | 04:15 |
imbrandon | or sometimes its just easy to log into gmail when i'm on the road | 04:15 |
imbrandon | and even thought it shows as read i can still get it | 04:15 |
LaserJock | cool | 04:17 |
LaserJock | that's exactly what I wanted to do | 04:17 |
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imbrandon | hehe | 04:17 |
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LaserJock | not sure about the whole cron thing though | 04:18 |
Fujitsu | LaserJock, the new matplotlib won't build, but the new numpy (and thus scipy) conflicts with old one... What should be done? | 04:19 |
LaserJock | darn it | 04:19 |
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imbrandon | darn you Fujitsu | 04:19 |
imbrandon | heh | 04:19 |
Fujitsu | Haha. | 04:19 |
LaserJock | Fujitsu: I wonder why it doesn't build | 04:19 |
LaserJock | does it build fine in unstable? | 04:19 |
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Fujitsu | src/agg.cxx: In function int SWIG_Python_ConvertPtr(PyObject*, void**, swig_type_info*, int): | 04:20 |
Fujitsu | src/agg.cxx:1231: error: invalid conversion from const char* to char* | 04:20 |
Fujitsu | And a few others. | 04:20 |
bddebian | Fujitsu: So fix it :-) | 04:20 |
Fujitsu | Once matplotlib builds, numpy and scipy can be uploaded... | 04:20 |
Fujitsu | bddebian, I haven't dealt with C in weeks :P | 04:21 |
Fujitsu | (or C++, for that matter) | 04:21 |
Fujitsu | Yes, it builds fine in unstable. | 04:21 |
LaserJock | well, I really think our users (me included) will be a little upset with that old of a scipy in edgy | 04:21 |
Fujitsu | Yes, there's a bug or two about it. | 04:22 |
LaserJock | but of course I'd take an old scipy that works over a new scipy that doesn't :-) | 04:22 |
Fujitsu | Hm. The file with the fault is generated by SWIG... | 04:23 |
minghua | is src/agg.cxx auto-generated? | 04:23 |
Fujitsu | minghua, yes. | 04:23 |
Fujitsu | I'm trying to find the interface definition file... | 04:24 |
Fujitsu | Aha. | 04:24 |
minghua | SWIG is black magic to me. but apparently it makes sense to Fujitsu :-) | 04:25 |
Fujitsu | minghua, I have a miniscule amount of experience with it... | 04:25 |
minghua | rmjb: it seems no en_TT locale exists | 04:26 |
Fujitsu | I just regenerated the offending file, and am now rebuilding. | 04:26 |
imbrandon | TT ? | 04:26 |
minghua | rmjb: is English the official language in Trinidad and Tobago? | 04:26 |
minghua | imbrandon: ^^^ | 04:26 |
imbrandon | no idea | 04:26 |
rmjb | minghua: yeah, UK english tho | 04:26 |
rmjb | so we spell it like coloUr | 04:27 |
rmjb | instead of colot | 04:27 |
Fujitsu | Yay :) | 04:27 |
rmjb | color | 04:27 |
LaserJock | yucky | 04:27 |
LaserJock | ;-) | 04:27 |
rmjb | BUT, we use US paper sizes and currency symbols | 04:27 |
LaserJock | oh man, you guys really are messed up ;-) | 04:27 |
rmjb | so a custom locale is what I want to put together | 04:28 |
minghua | ubuntu uses belocs-locales, right? | 04:28 |
imbrandon | yea the first patch i ever got Riddell to upload he changed all my changelog entries from color to colour ;P | 04:28 |
imbrandon | heh | 04:28 |
minghua | rmjb: if you are not a developer, the first thing you can do is file a bug | 04:28 |
Fujitsu | I think it's got further in the build this time, but it's still going... | 04:28 |
Fujitsu | Good on him, imbrandon :P | 04:28 |
LaserJock | imbrandon: haha, that's funny | 04:28 |
minghua | rmjb: I believe against belocs-locales-data, but I need confirmation from those guys that can check | 04:29 |
rmjb | well if it's doable for green developers I'd like to give it a shot | 04:29 |
minghua | rmjb: let me try to dig a little for you then | 04:29 |
Fujitsu | Apparently not... It still fails :( | 04:29 |
imbrandon | who wants to donate a tv capture card to me ? ........ ( joke ) | 04:31 |
LaserJock | If I had one I'd send it to you | 04:31 |
imbrandon | ;) | 04:32 |
imbrandon | i might see about picking one up semi soon, i think i can get a cheap one thats linux compat for about 25$ | 04:32 |
imbrandon | i wanna mess with time shifting tv | 04:32 |
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LaserJock | well, I don't know what I'd do with one | 04:33 |
LaserJock | my tv and computer are on opposite sides of the house | 04:34 |
lupine_85 | it's PCI... free to anyone who wants it :) | 04:34 |
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imbrandon | lupine_85: send away | 04:34 |
imbrandon | ;) | 04:34 |
lupine_85 | ask, and ye shall receive! | 04:34 |
lupine_85 | well, depending on postage | 04:34 |
LaserJock | I *was* thinking of trying to figure out how to have my VCR record a couple shows tonight | 04:34 |
imbrandon | serouisly ? that woudl rock man | 04:34 |
lupine_85 | seriously | 04:34 |
imbrandon | wow cool man ;) heh | 04:35 |
lupine_85 | I'd better just check if it's linux-comaptible... | 04:35 |
Fujitsu | Aha! The issue has been picked up elsewhere, more python 2.5 stuff... | 04:35 |
imbrandon | lupine_85: i'm sure i could make it work if its pci | 04:35 |
imbrandon | ;) | 04:35 |
imbrandon | brb nother soda | 04:35 |
LaserJock | Fujitsu: can we tell it to not build on python 2.5? | 04:36 |
Fujitsu | LaserJock, we can always do that, yes. | 04:36 |
lupine_85 | yep, looks like it's good | 04:36 |
Fujitsu | At least, we should be able to... | 04:36 |
minghua | rmjb: found that one for you: http://people.debian.org/~barbier/talks/debconf5/glibc-locale.pdf | 04:36 |
Fujitsu | Hm. | 04:37 |
minghua | rmjb: it's a talk on DebConf5, there is even a video: http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2005/debconf5/mpeg/2005-07-15/06-Customization_of_GNU_libc_locale_files-Denis_Barbier.mpeg | 04:37 |
minghua | rmjb: good luck | 04:37 |
rmjb | thanks | 04:37 |
Fujitsu | There's a bug filed in Debian about how it shouldn't be using its own version of agg, but it hasn't been touched... | 04:37 |
rmjb | ! | 04:37 |
lupine_85 | imbrandon: I'll need an address to post to... if it's going par avion (I'm in the UK), you'll have to pay the postage I'm afraid | 04:38 |
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lupine_85 | msg me or something when you get back :) | 04:38 |
lukaswayne9 | I've just released a maintaince release on my package that's in edgy. What should I do to get it in edgy? | 04:40 |
imbrandon | lupine_85: sure, one sec , sorry went to grab a drink | 04:41 |
lupine_85 | np :) | 04:41 |
imbrandon | lukaswayne9: whats the package | 04:41 |
lukaswayne9 | imbrandon: gfceu | 04:41 |
lukaswayne9 | i've uplaoded it to the revu, but i need to reupload it | 04:41 |
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imbrandon | sure, reupload and poke us in here | 04:42 |
imbrandon | is the best way | 04:42 |
lukaswayne9 | thanks | 04:42 |
nixternal | imbrandon: what are you doing still awake? | 04:42 |
imbrandon | lupine_85: get a pen ? i'll shoot ya the addy, and then lemme know how much posteage and i'll paypal it to ya tomarrow | 04:42 |
imbrandon | nixternal: i'm VERY close to sleeping | 04:43 |
lupine_85 | ready :) | 04:43 |
imbrandon | trust me | 04:43 |
nixternal | dude..you went to sleep supposedly hours ago ;) | 04:43 |
lupine_85 | free stuff makes it all worth while :) | 04:43 |
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imbrandon | lupine_85: Brandon Holtsclaw, 9203 E 89th Street, Kansas City Mo. 64138 | 04:43 |
imbrandon | +USA in there somewhere | 04:43 |
imbrandon | lol | 04:43 |
imbrandon | you can email me ( imbrandon@kubuntu.org ) what the postage will be and i'll shoot it to ya paypal tomarrow sometime | 04:44 |
Fujitsu | 9203 E 89th Street!? | 04:44 |
lupine_85 | ok. are you wanting postal insurance/whatever on it? | 04:45 |
imbrandon | nah , its only a pci card ;) | 04:45 |
lupine_85 | oh, and it has a webcam as well (S-video I think)... you want? | 04:45 |
minghua | Hmm, so Kansas City is in Missouri... | 04:45 |
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nixternal | in missouri and kansas | 04:45 |
imbrandon | lupine_85: sure , what ever you stick in the box i'll be happy with ;) | 04:45 |
nixternal | one of them goofy cities | 04:45 |
lupine_85 | alrighty then :) | 04:45 |
lukaswayne9 | imbrandon: i just uploaded it, so it will show up there in about 5 minutes probably | 04:45 |
imbrandon | minghua: its in both, half and half | 04:46 |
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minghua | imbrandon, nixternal: I see, thanks | 04:46 |
Fujitsu | Wow, I'd been trying to work out how I was meant to get this to compile without python 2.5... Then I read the python policy... >_> | 04:46 |
imbrandon | Fujitsu: lol | 04:46 |
LaserJock | lol | 04:46 |
Fujitsu | Now, with any luck this'll work, and matplotlib+numpy+scipy can be uploaded, and LaserJock can be happy again :P | 04:47 |
lukaswayne9 | will 2.5 be default for edgy? | 04:47 |
lukaswayne9 | (python that is) | 04:47 |
Fujitsu | lukaswayne9, no. | 04:47 |
imbrandon | no | 04:47 |
imbrandon | its available but not default | 04:47 |
lukaswayne9 | will all the libs be available for it? | 04:47 |
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LaserJock | lukaswayne9: if they build | 04:48 |
lukaswayne9 | oh, alright | 04:48 |
imbrandon | okies i'm off to sleep , lukaswayne9 post the revu url in here , and ask for MOTU's revu, someone should answer the call as long as you dont spam it ever 2 seconds ;) | 04:48 |
lukaswayne9 | alright | 04:49 |
lupine_85 | crappy royal mail website! | 04:49 |
imbrandon | hehe | 04:49 |
Fujitsu | What!? This can't be! It BUILT! | 04:49 |
lukaswayne9 | This is the link, but my upload isn't there yet: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3212 | 04:49 |
lukaswayne9 | it should be from 22:40ish, not 22:20 | 04:50 |
lupine_85 | doesn't load in firefox; only just manages it in konq. (even then, most of it is broken) | 04:50 |
lukaswayne9 | Alright, it's here now | 04:50 |
imbrandon | =3213 is the new direct link | 04:51 |
lukaswayne9 | So here is my official please some nice MOTU upload my updated package post: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3213 | 04:51 |
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imbrandon | lukaswayne9: umm it should have an orig.tar.gz file and a diff.gz file, its packaged like it was native but its not | 04:57 |
imbrandon | ok really off to sleep now, bbiab | 04:57 |
lukaswayne9 | what do you mean? | 04:57 |
zakame | hi all | 04:59 |
bddebian | Heya zakame | 04:59 |
minghua | lukaswayne9: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-mistakes.html | 05:00 |
minghua | lukaswayne9: read the first paragraph in "Changing the Original Tarball" | 05:00 |
minghua | that explains what "native" means | 05:01 |
lukaswayne9 | oops, sorry about that | 05:01 |
lukaswayne9 | i renamed my tarbell wrong | 05:01 |
lukaswayne9 | I reuploaded | 05:01 |
lukaswayne9 | the link will be http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3214 | 05:02 |
lukaswayne9 | if someone could check that out, it would be great! | 05:02 |
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rmjb | minghua: http://www.student.uit.no/~pere/linux/glibc/howto.html | 05:06 |
zakame | yo bddebian | 05:07 |
zakame | hmm anyway we can fix the flashplugin thing? or is it fixed already on a new upload? | 05:08 |
crimsun | err, what? | 05:09 |
crimsun | I fixed flashplugin-nonfree (twice) yesterday. | 05:09 |
lukaswayne9 | Alright, my upload is in the revu. If someone could check it out that would be great! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3214 Thanks again | 05:09 |
zakame | bug 61404 | 05:09 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 61404 in dapper-backports "Flashplugin-nonfree in backports fails to install" [High,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61404 | 05:09 |
zakame | oh, there it goes | 05:10 |
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zakame | I'm having more than my usual share :( | 05:10 |
crimsun | I am extremely displeased that that bug was filed against a backported package. | 05:10 |
zakame | awww | 05:12 |
Fujitsu | LaserJock, ping. | 05:13 |
LaserJock | yah | 05:14 |
minghua | lukaswayne9: gfceu has been in Ubuntu before, but your debian/changelog doesn't show that | 05:14 |
Fujitsu | I've got python-numpy, python-scipy and matplotlib ready to go... They all build OK. | 05:15 |
bddebian | w00t go Fujitsu :-) | 05:15 |
Fujitsu | :) | 05:15 |
Fujitsu | I'm just going to pbuild them all one more time... | 05:16 |
zakame | go go Fujitsu | 05:17 |
crimsun | I am dead serious. If we get another one of these knee-jerk backports, I am going to be even less forgiving. | 05:17 |
zakame | crimsun: well it (backports) ought to be stricter :/ | 05:21 |
bddebian | Gnight folks | 05:21 |
zakame | cya l8r bddebian | 05:21 |
bddebian | :-) | 05:21 |
LaserJock | what happened? flashplugin-nonfree was backported but it's buggy? | 05:22 |
Toadstool | 'evening everybody | 05:22 |
zakame | eveing Toadstool | 05:22 |
Toadstool | hey zakame | 05:22 |
zakame | LaserJock: yeah, used a newr(?) version of update-rc.d | 05:23 |
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minghua | LaserJock: yes, I heard it's because the backport approver took his edgy chroot as his dapper one | 05:26 |
LaserJock | I see | 05:27 |
imbrandon | me gets out of bed for this one .... LaserJock and i bet you can guess whom =the backporter was | 05:27 |
zakame | no need for {b,f}lames, screw ups happen when you least expect it | 05:28 |
zakame | the best one can do is to prevent it from happening again | 05:28 |
zakame | that way we grow :) | 05:29 |
imbrandon | zakame: true LaserJock / crimsun: you have a little time tomarrow to chat about some things, i think we need to relook at how backpoorts are file/approved serouisly , especialy with non-MOTU's trying to do it | 05:29 |
imbrandon | s/true/true \n/g | 05:29 |
zakame | imbrandon: huh? non-MOTUs can upload stuff directly now? or am I mistaken? | 05:31 |
imbrandon | anyhow i'll try to catchup with you both tomarrow, i'm off to bed | 05:31 |
Toadstool | zakame: hmm? nope | 05:31 |
imbrandon | zakame: no but backport approvals dont require uploads | 05:31 |
zakame | Toadstool: ah, well | 05:32 |
zakame | imbrandon: I see | 05:32 |
Toadstool | time to grab some food... /me dives into the fridge | 05:33 |
LaserJock | hmmm | 05:34 |
LaserJock | I'm sort of suprised at how many dups that has | 05:36 |
Fujitsu | LaserJock, as am I. | 05:37 |
Fujitsu | I think it at least needs approval from one MOTU before it should be backported... | 05:37 |
LaserJock | it has to be approved by the backports team | 05:38 |
LaserJock | I believe | 05:38 |
zakame | yeah so many dupes | 05:38 |
LaserJock | crimsun: what's up with the ~ubuntuX versioning on flashplugin-nonfree? | 05:39 |
zakame | can't LP say allow bug submission previews, then searches the databse for seemingly similar bugs? | 05:39 |
LaserJock | zakame: "they're working on it" TM | 05:40 |
Plug | one day I swear I'll set my nick highlighting up to not match 'plugin' | 05:40 |
LaserJock | Plug: haha | 05:40 |
zakame | LaserJock: lol | 05:41 |
LaserJock | anyway, it does backports do require approval | 05:42 |
LaserJock | wow, that' was a messed up sentence | 05:42 |
Toadstool | :D | 05:42 |
LaserJock | s/it does// | 05:42 |
minghua | poor Plug :-) | 05:42 |
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Fujitsu | It takes /ages/... | 05:56 |
Plug | Is it acceptable to dpatch configure.in, and run autoconf in the config.status section of debian/rules? | 06:02 |
Laser_away | Fujitsu: I'll check in with you tomorrow about matplotlib/scipy/numpy | 06:05 |
Fujitsu | OK, bye. | 06:05 |
Laser_away | Fujitsu: if everything builds good go ahead and file the sync requests for the syncs | 06:05 |
Fujitsu | Laser_away, there aren't any. | 06:05 |
Laser_away | darn | 06:05 |
Fujitsu | Yeah. | 06:05 |
Laser_away | well, I suppose uploading a merge can be faster then waiting for ubuntu-archive | 06:06 |
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Laser_away | ok, well I'll take care of it tomorrow if you don't sucker somebody into it before then | 06:06 |
Fujitsu | OK, see you. | 06:07 |
Laser_away | Fujitsu: thanks a ton for all that work | 06:07 |
Fujitsu | No problem :) | 06:07 |
Laser_away | night | 06:07 |
Fujitsu | It just took a while to get them all building with Python 2.5, there wasn't much in it. | 06:07 |
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Fujitsu | Packages shouldn't regenerate their debian/copyright on each build, should they!? | 06:16 |
minghua | if from something like debian/copyright.in, maybe it's okay? | 06:19 |
Fujitsu | Well, matplotlib runs debian/mkcopyright.sh every build, for apparently no reason. | 06:19 |
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Fujitsu | There's also the fact that is has bashisms which result in crap being put into it. | 06:20 |
hub | I have never seen any package regenerating copyright | 06:23 |
hub | that's weird | 06:23 |
Fujitsu | hub, it is. | 06:23 |
Fujitsu | I've made the script dash-compatible now | 06:23 |
Fujitsu | Or should I do away with it completely? | 06:26 |
hub | no idea | 06:27 |
Fujitsu | It modifies the Debianisation date/time each build as well, which is just plain wrong. | 06:27 |
hub | I don't know why it does it | 06:27 |
Fujitsu | I'll mail the maintainer, I suppose. | 06:27 |
hub | yep | 06:28 |
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dholbach | good morning | 07:29 |
Fujitsu | Morning. | 07:33 |
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BlueT_ | buongior :) | 07:49 |
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Kagou | hi | 08:10 |
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crimsun | Laser_away: at the time I uploaded, 7.0.68* didn't exist in Sid | 09:24 |
Fujitsu | There's a new version of gnomebaker (0.6.0), and a bug requesting it. Includes gstreamer0.10 support, among other bug fixes... Should I update the package? | 09:27 |
crimsun | yes. | 09:29 |
crimsun | removing gst0.8 {build-,}dependencies -> good | 09:30 |
Fujitsu | Yes, I thought so. | 09:30 |
Fujitsu | And I had just confirmed there were no outstanding Ubuntu changes, so it'll be easier than mangling Debian and Ubuntu and upstream changes together :) | 09:30 |
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Fujitsu | Yay, only .po conflicts. | 09:38 |
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Fujitsu | What are gstreamer0.8-mad and -flac replaced by? One of the gstreamer0.10-plugins-*? | 09:42 |
minghua | Fujitsu: -bad? | 09:43 |
minghua | Hmm, probably -ugly | 09:43 |
Fujitsu | I think mad would be in ugly, and flac in good? | 09:43 |
minghua | Fujitsu: seems you are right, at least according to gstreamer docs: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-good-plugins/html/ | 09:46 |
minghua | and http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-ugly-plugins/html/ | 09:46 |
Fujitsu | This new one eliminates most of the Debian patches :) | 10:00 |
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iapx8088 | hi hi all | 10:09 |
iapx8088 | I was wondering, is there a way to edit manpages? my package has a lintian warning about a line not terminating with . | 10:09 |
Fujitsu | Hi. | 10:09 |
Fujitsu | What!? This can't be right. My package works :) | 10:10 |
minghua | iapx8088: depends on how your man page is made | 10:10 |
minghua | iapx8088: generally speaking, manpage is just a text file | 10:10 |
iapx8088 | yes, mine too, but it's a sort of macro language to | 10:10 |
iapx8088 | sort of .if \n+(b.=1 .nr d. \n(.c-\n(c.-1 | 10:11 |
iapx8088 | (which should be the incriminated line. | 10:12 |
iapx8088 | minghua, can you recognize the type? | 10:12 |
minghua | iapx8088: (I think) the language is called groff, but I know nothing about it | 10:12 |
iapx8088 | thank you | 10:13 |
minghua | iapx8088: sorry, no idea at all | 10:13 |
iapx8088 | np, good starting point. | 10:13 |
iapx8088 | minghua, I believe is groff, thanks. | 10:13 |
minghua | iapx8088: you are welcome | 10:15 |
\sh | moins | 10:23 |
\sh | looks like that I missed a change in requesting syncs... | 10:23 |
Fujitsu | \sh, you certainly did :( | 10:24 |
\sh | Fujitsu: well yes, describing why the change "merged from debian" is obsolete will be difficult ;) | 10:27 |
Fujitsu | Haha. | 10:27 |
Fujitsu | Which request in particular? | 10:28 |
\sh | all my last sync requests ;) | 10:28 |
Fujitsu | \sh, aha. | 10:28 |
\sh | because I didn't know that we have to explain why we can drop ubuntu changes | 10:28 |
Fujitsu | There's a post on -devel-announce in August about it. | 10:29 |
\sh | anyways...will update the bug reports tomorrow during the day...when I have the time | 10:29 |
\sh | i just checked the updated developerresources wiki page... | 10:29 |
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xerxas_ | Hi ! | 10:35 |
iapx8088 | do you know any groff related irc sources? | 10:36 |
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iapx8088 | bye | 10:44 |
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Q-FUNK | 'morning | 11:33 |
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Q-FUNK | anybody available to sponsor Bug #61626 ? | 12:20 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 61626 in cups-pdf "Please sync cups-pdf (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Untriaged,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61626 | 12:20 |
Q-FUNK | or is synchronisation only taken care of by ftp masters? | 12:20 |
Fujitsu | You need to get it approved by a MOTU (if it isn't already), and an archive admin will get around to syncing it. | 12:23 |
Q-FUNK | ok | 12:24 |
Q-FUNK | what's needed to get it approved? | 12:24 |
Fujitsu | Subscribing ubuntu-universe-sponsors to it, which has already been done. | 12:24 |
Q-FUNK | ok | 12:24 |
Q-FUNK | I'd just like to avoid yet more people reporting the exact same issue under a different bug number. | 12:25 |
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lukaswayne9 | I've released a maintainence release to my simple package, gfceu. If someone could upload it, that would be great. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3214 | 12:30 |
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minghua | lukaswayne9: did you see my comments about your debian/changelog? It is missing all the previous entries | 12:32 |
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Fujitsu | I've updated gnomebaker to 0.6.0... Do I just ask somebody to upload it for me? | 12:36 |
Hobbsee | !info gnomebaker edgy | 12:36 |
ubotu | gnomebaker: application for CD/DVD creation in the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 862 kB, installed size 2640 kB | 12:36 |
Fujitsu | It's based off Debian 0.5.1-6, I noticed a bug requesting the upgrade when I was about to file a sync request. crimsun said I should package the new one instead. | 12:37 |
lukaswayne9 | !info gfceu edgy | 12:47 |
ubotu | gfceu: Graphical front-end using GTK2 for the FCE Ultra NES emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 29 kB, installed size 152 kB | 12:47 |
Q-FUNK | lovely bots | 12:57 |
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AnAnt | ping dholbach | 02:04 |
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jrib | I want to package http://wallpapoz.akbarhome.com/index.html but it's a python script to edit a config file and daemon written in python. Are there any good example packages with a daemon written in python that I can take a look at? | 02:25 |
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fbond | jrib, the package should put a wrapper in /usr/bin ... if so, you can use as an example any package that runs a deamon in /usr/bin | 02:56 |
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pianoboy3333 | I need help, it appears I have two keys when I do gpg --list-keys but how do I tell which I've been signing packages with? | 02:56 |
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jrib | fbond: thanks | 03:12 |
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bddebian | Heya gang | 03:37 |
Fujitsu | Hi bddebian. | 03:37 |
bddebian | Hi Fujitsu | 03:38 |
Fujitsu | I've got a new upstream version of gnomebaker packaged, removes dependencies on gstreamer 0.8 and the like, do I just get a MOTU to upload it? | 03:38 |
zul | isnt it gnomebaker in main? | 03:42 |
Fujitsu | No. | 03:42 |
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fbond | it really probably should be, last time I checked... nautilus is a fairly disfunctional way to burn CDs, IMO | 03:45 |
Nafallo | WFM, except it's broken :-P | 03:46 |
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dholbach | zakame: HAPPY BIRTHDAY! | 05:07 |
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xerxas | dholbach: ? | 05:19 |
dholbach | xerxas: hm? | 05:19 |
xerxas | did you create the pymsn branch ? | 05:19 |
xerxas | or I did it ? | 05:19 |
dholbach | no idea | 05:19 |
xerxas | cannot manage to create the branch for butterfly | 05:19 |
dholbach | you have to create the product first | 05:19 |
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xerxas | yes | 05:20 |
xerxas | but I can't manage to | 05:20 |
xerxas | lemme retry | 05:20 |
xerxas | https://launchpad.net/products/telepathy-butterfly is this correct ? | 05:24 |
xerxas | https://launchpad.net/people/telepathy/+branch/telepathy-butterfly/ubuntu | 05:24 |
xerxas | cool | 05:24 |
xerxas | works ! | 05:24 |
xopher | What is telepathy really? | 05:27 |
chantra | hi, when I package a soft, there is two files which are included in it, but I would like to get rid of them, how could I do? | 05:29 |
chantra | like, I got /usr/lib/gaim/gaim-libnotify.la and /usr/lib/gaim/gaim-libnotify.a included, but I do not need them, how could I tell dpkg to not include them? | 05:30 |
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geser | rm them from debian/tmp | 05:31 |
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AnAnt | bddebian: hide | 05:31 |
chantra | geser: in which section should I do that? | 05:32 |
AnAnt | ping bddebian | 05:33 |
geser | chantra: see for an example http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gaim-encryption/gaim-encryption_2.38-3.1.diff.gz ; the install target | 05:34 |
AnAnt | ping dholbach | 05:34 |
dholbach | AnAnt: pong | 05:34 |
blueyed | Does anyone know who/what updates the Contents-ARCH.gz files on archive.ubuntu.com? This seems to be the reason, why apt-file cannot find "python-central".. | 05:36 |
blueyed | They are from 07 Jun.. | 05:37 |
bddebian | AnAnt: Yeah, sorry I will try to review freedict :-) | 05:37 |
chantra | geser: cheers, I wasn't too far as I was usng dh_clean instead of rm :) | 05:40 |
chantra | cheers geser | 05:40 |
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AnAnt__ | ping bddebian | 05:52 |
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bddebian | Don't ping me then leave :-) | 06:00 |
pygi | hey bddebian | 06:01 |
bddebian | pygi: Heya | 06:01 |
Nafallo | haha | 06:02 |
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xerxas | can some review http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-butterfly/ubuntu/ please ? | 06:21 |
xerxas | oops | 06:22 |
xerxas | not yet | 06:22 |
xerxas | need to correct sth | 06:22 |
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AnAnt | ping bddebian | 06:57 |
bddebian | AnAnt: Yes.. | 07:04 |
AnAnt | bddebian: there you are | 07:05 |
AnAnt | bddebian: could you please REVU freedict , you told me to change the version number | 07:05 |
bddebian | AnAnt: Did you not see my response earlier? I'll check it out | 07:06 |
AnAnt | bddebian: what response ? | 07:07 |
bddebian | <bddebian> AnAnt: Yeah, sorry I will try to review freedict :-) | 07:08 |
AnAnt | bddebian: ok, how about tss too, it's a new upload | 07:09 |
bddebian | I will try. Super busy at work lately :-( | 07:09 |
AnAnt | bddebian: k, thanks | 07:09 |
AnAnt | gotta go | 07:09 |
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Xnix | anyone know what version of ACPI_DSDT patch is included in latest git of ubuntu kernel? | 07:26 |
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dholbach | good night everybody - have a great WE! | 08:10 |
pianoboy3333 | I need some gpg help! It appears I have two keys: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24400 how do I know which I've been signing packages, only one should have the password I've been using | 08:13 |
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geser | check the signatures you made | 08:17 |
pianoboy3333 | geser: how can I do that? | 08:23 |
pianoboy3333 | geser: I made both! | 08:23 |
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geser | gpg --verify signed_file (probable a .changes or .dsc file) | 08:25 |
pianoboy3333 | ok | 08:25 |
pianoboy3333 | thank you | 08:26 |
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Q-FUNK | re | 08:54 |
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AnAnt | ping lionelp | 09:04 |
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bluefoxicy | wow | 09:10 |
bluefoxicy | son of the black eye is old and dead? | 09:10 |
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Nafallo | tseng: do we have such a thing? :-O | 09:11 |
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tseng | I don't really care to be honest | 09:12 |
Nafallo | in that case, why wasn't it named #sounder :-P | 09:12 |
Nafallo | ah :-) | 09:12 |
Q-FUNK | we do, actually | 09:12 |
bluefoxicy | tseng: it just dropped out of universe o.o | 09:12 |
tseng | $ apt-cache search black eye | wc -l | 09:13 |
tseng | 0 | 09:13 |
bluefoxicy | it's a battle for wesnoth campaign o.o; wesnoth-sotb something. I forget now, I wasn't paying much attention to what I was doing with synaptic. | 09:14 |
tseng | right.. | 09:14 |
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minghua | bluefoxicy: yes, son of the black eye is dropped on version 1.1.2 | 09:32 |
bluefoxicy | Upstream isn't carrying it anymore then, hrm. Ah well. | 09:34 |
Kyral | ugh SVN is a PAIN! | 09:35 |
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bluefoxicy | they say beta is due out this week or early next, rc in a couple weeks. Edgy passed version freeze like a month ago didn't it | 09:36 |
Kyral | How the heck do I commit | 09:36 |
bluefoxicy | svn ci | 09:36 |
bluefoxicy | Kyral: when you check something out, svn remembers like everything about it | 09:37 |
bluefoxicy | I haven't figured out where it's storing the info, but it's got my sourceforge.net username and password memorized and the repository o.o; | 09:37 |
Kyral | yah...stupid me used Anon access first... | 09:37 |
bluefoxicy | ah, then when you ci it should ask for a user/password | 09:37 |
minghua | the username is stored in .svn/ | 09:38 |
bluefoxicy | yes but it's letting me write without a password | 09:39 |
minghua | no idea where the password is stored though (my svn doesn't remember password for me) | 09:39 |
bluefoxicy | .svn doesn't have my password at all and there's no ~/.svn* o_o it freaks the hell out of me. | 09:40 |
Kyral | yea it works :D | 09:41 |
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Kyral | http://rubyforge.org/projects/therush/ | 09:43 |
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Q-FUNK | grmbl. having similar tools for debian and ubuntu gets confusing. | 10:06 |
Q-FUNK | such as being sued to issue tag changes to the _debian_ bts using 'bts', issuing the same command on tis laptop running ubuntu and wondering why the debian bts doesn't receive it. | 10:08 |
Q-FUNK | s/used/r/used | 10:08 |
Q-FUNK | argh | 10:08 |
Q-FUNK | typos r us | 10:08 |
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Biru`biru` | hi all | 10:12 |
Kyral | Jeez I'm on a roll today | 10:12 |
Kyral | First I open a RubyForge project, and I just submitted a small service menu to KDE-Apps | 10:13 |
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Kyral | ..I should prolly bounce Hobbsee when she comes around | 10:17 |
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geser | does anybody know which package contains linux/compiler.h? | 10:33 |
LaserJock | geser: try packages.ubuntu.com | 10:34 |
Adri2000 | geser: linux-headers (apt-file is your friend ;)) | 10:35 |
Biru`biru` | geser, I believe the kernel | 10:37 |
geser | can a package depend on linux-headers to build? | 10:38 |
Biru`biru` | I believe | 10:38 |
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Adri2000 | i believe too | 10:38 |
iapx8088 | apt-fiel update; apt-file search linux/compiler.h | 10:38 |
geser | isn't linux-headers for modules only? and linux-libc-dev (former linux-kernel-headers) for normal programs? | 10:41 |
crimsun | yes | 10:42 |
geser | then I assume linux/compiler.h is missing in linux-libc-dev as it was included in linux-kernel-headers | 10:43 |
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geser | according to goole linux/compiler.h doesn't belong to the exported kernel headers | 10:47 |
crimsun | jdong_: have we discussed any changes to the backport policy? | 10:47 |
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geser | is the unapproved queue for dapper-updates somewhere visible? | 11:09 |
LaserJock | hmm | 11:10 |
minghua | isn't there a dapper-proposed queue now? | 11:12 |
LaserJock | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+queue | 11:15 |
geser | crimsun: do you know what happened with the upload of php4-yaz targeting dapper-updates? | 11:16 |
geser | looking at the mentioned url I can't find a trace of it | 11:17 |
crimsun | geser: I have no idea; I don't have access to the innards. Try pinging kamion, keybuk, or infinity. | 11:18 |
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iapx8088 | ole' | 11:19 |
iapx8088 | have a nice night guys | 11:19 |
crimsun | night~' | 11:19 |
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LaserJock | crimsun: ok, so on those flashplugin uploads | 11:19 |
LaserJock | why didn't you do a 0ubuntuX? | 11:20 |
LaserJock | just curious | 11:20 |
crimsun | LaserJock: with a native package? That would have been silly. | 11:20 |
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crimsun | 7.0.68ubuntu1 >> 7.0.68 | 11:21 |
crimsun | 7.0.68.0ubuntu1 >> 7.0.68 | 11:21 |
LaserJock | crimsun: oh that's right, I forgot it's native | 11:22 |
crimsun | trust me, there's a method to my madness... | 11:22 |
LaserJock | I know | 11:23 |
LaserJock | I just wanted a peeking to genius ;-) | 11:23 |
crimsun | pfft | 11:23 |
crimsun | go talk to bddebian for genius | 11:23 |
LaserJock | s/peeking to/peek into/ | 11:23 |
LaserJock | heh | 11:23 |
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bddebian | crimsun: Please stop mocking me :-( | 11:27 |
crimsun | I'm not mocking you any more than you've already misshipped my poor pony. | 11:27 |
LaserJock | :-) | 11:27 |
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minghua | LaserJock: we have a different packaging guide for each release? | 11:28 |
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LaserJock | minghua: a little, more like asymtoptic itterations towards perfection, I hope ;-) | 11:29 |
AnAnt_ | bddebian: thanks | 11:29 |
AnAnt_ | guys, if I want a package to be for 64-bit only architectures, how do I set that ? | 11:29 |
LaserJock | they keep changing things on me too | 11:30 |
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LaserJock | I'm trying to make it as generic as possible while still being remotely useful | 11:30 |
minghua | AnAnt_: the arch: section in debian/control specify architectures | 11:31 |
minghua | LaserJock: did you get much feedback on that doc | 11:32 |
LaserJock | oh some | 11:32 |
LaserJock | I have a lot of ideas to make it better | 11:32 |
AnAnt_ | minghua: ok, what are 64 bit archs ? ia64 & amd64 , right ? is there anything else ? | 11:32 |
LaserJock | but much less time to implement them | 11:32 |
LaserJock | I'm also supposed to be in charge of the Ubuntu Developer's Reference | 11:33 |
minghua | LaserJock: I looked at the hello packaging part, it's quite nice, I hope we point more people there | 11:33 |
minghua | wow, developer's reference sounds very serious to me :-) | 11:33 |
LaserJock | it is | 11:33 |
LaserJock | very scary in fact | 11:33 |
AnAnt_ | does Edgy have a command called linux32 ? | 11:33 |
minghua | AnAnt_: Hmm, sorry I can't answer that | 11:33 |
LaserJock | iwj started it | 11:33 |
LaserJock | but handed it off to me | 11:33 |
LaserJock | I think I'm going to need to put a massive "call for contribution/help/suggestions" for edgy+1 | 11:34 |
LaserJock | I just can't do it by myself | 11:35 |
AnAnt_ | it does, cool | 11:35 |
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LaserJock | \o/ | 11:38 |
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AnAnt_ | LaserJock: can I ask u for a REVU ? | 11:39 |
LaserJock | I can try | 11:39 |
LaserJock | AnAnt_: what's the url | 11:40 |
AnAnt_ | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3221 | 11:42 |
AnAnt_ | is: "sh -c" bashism ? | 11:42 |
crimsun | not at all. | 11:42 |
AnAnt_ | cool | 11:42 |
AnAnt_ | how about: cd objs32 && ./configure && $(MAKE) npviewer.bin | 11:43 |
minghua | looks good to me | 11:43 |
AnAnt_ | k | 11:44 |
AnAnt_ | I'm packaging nspluginwrapper | 11:44 |
AnAnt_ | but I don't have a 64-bit machine ! | 11:44 |
minghua | (but I am not POSIX expert) | 11:44 |
minghua | the easy way to test, I suppose, is setting your /bin/sh to dash, and run those commands yourself | 11:45 |
AnAnt_ | anyone got a 64-bit machine ? | 11:46 |
geser | yes, amd64 | 11:46 |
LaserJock | AnAnt_: is "Acon is Copyright 1999-2000, Ahmed Abdel-Hamid Mohamed." a typo? | 11:47 |
AnAnt_ | LaserJock: that's wierd, I removed that ! | 11:47 |
AnAnt_ | LaserJock: maybe the upload didn't appear yet ? | 11:48 |
AnAnt_ | I uploaded few mins ago | 11:48 |
LaserJock | and this might seem a little picky, but the copyright/license of the artwork isn't really clear | 11:48 |
AnAnt_ | actually I uploaded 20 mins ago | 11:49 |
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LaserJock | he gives credits for *some* of the artwork, but he doesn't say if they are Public Domain or anything | 11:49 |
AnAnt_ | LaserJock: how can I know about it ? | 11:49 |
AnAnt_ | ping him ?! | 11:49 |
LaserJock | well, I don't know if it's a big deal or not | 11:50 |
LaserJock | you might have somebody else look at that | 11:50 |
AnAnt_ | ok | 11:50 |
AnAnt_ | geser: can you help me test a package ? | 11:50 |
LaserJock | preferably somebody who knows what they are talking about ;-) | 11:50 |
geser | AnAnt_: which one? | 11:50 |
AnAnt_ | geser: nspluginwrapper | 11:51 |
geser | url? | 11:52 |
AnAnt_ | I'll upload it shortly | 11:52 |
AnAnt_ | what does that lintian warning mean "native-package-with-dash-version" ? | 11:52 |
crimsun | native source packages don't have revisions delimited by hyphens | 11:53 |
crimsun | (or at least shouldn't) | 11:53 |
geser | you probably got the name of the orig.tar.gz wrong | 11:54 |
AnAnt_ | ok, found the problem, thanks | 11:56 |
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AnAnt_ | LaserJock: the copyright file is correct in the diff btw | 11:57 |
AnAnt_ | LaserJock: as for the artwork, I dunno really | 11:57 |
minghua | AnAnt_: BTW you debian/copyright is missing part of the copyright specified in README | 11:57 |
AnAnt_ | geser: ok, I uploaded it, please tell me if it builds | 11:57 |
minghua | AnAnt_: and you got the author's email wrong | 11:57 |
AnAnt_ | minghua: huh ? | 11:57 |
AnAnt_ | minghua: in tss ? | 11:57 |
minghua | yes | 11:58 |
minghua | and I am talking about upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3224 | 11:58 |
AnAnt_ | minghua: what's missing from README ? | 11:58 |
minghua | Locking and shadow password retrieval code based on vlock 1.3 | 11:58 |
minghua | Copyright (C) 1994 Michael K. Johnson and Marek | 11:58 |
AnAnt_ | oh, alright | 11:58 |
AnAnt_ | I checked the email, I see it is correct | 11:59 |
minghua | oh? kristappleian dot peachgunstone at pean dot org (remove fruits) | 11:59 |
AnAnt_ | minghua: that Locking & shadow lines, should I put it at the end ? | 11:59 |
AnAnt_ | minghua: btw, do you think that I'd better make tss Replace vlock ? | 12:00 |
AnAnt_ | or is it unnecessary ? | 12:01 |
minghua | AnAnt_: why? does tss and vlock contain files with the same name? | 12:01 |
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LaserJock | I also find it a little odd that the artwork is installed to /etc | 12:01 |
AnAnt_ | geser: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3227 | 12:01 |
AnAnt_ | LaserJock: where then ? | 12:01 |
LaserJock | wouldn't /usr/share/tss/ be a better place? | 12:02 |
AnAnt_ | minghua: nope | 12:02 |
AnAnt_ | LaserJock: tss complains if it doesn't find /etc/tss or ~/.tss | 12:02 |
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minghua | AnAnt_: then you shouldn't use Replace | 12:02 |
LaserJock | then patch it ;-) | 12:02 |
AnAnt_ | LaserJock: good idea | 12:02 |
LaserJock | I dont' know, what do the other, more intelligent, MOTUs think? | 12:03 |
AnAnt_ | LaserJock: actually I do agree that the artwork fit in share not etc | 12:03 |
minghua | AnAnt_: as for the author email, note his "remove fruits" comment | 12:03 |
AnAnt_ | minghua: yes, what does it mean ? I thought he meant to replace dot with . & at with @ | 12:04 |
minghua | LaserJock: they are ascii arts, right? then I agree with you on /usr/share/tss/ | 12:04 |
AnAnt_ | ohhhhhhh | 12:04 |
Nafallo | AnAnt_: have you ever eaten dot and at? :-) | 12:04 |
AnAnt_ | minghua: thanks, I didn't understand what he meant | 12:05 |
AnAnt_ | Nafallo: well, some ppl use wierd comments sometimes | 12:05 |
AnAnt_ | Nafallo: I didn't concentrate that his email actually contained fruit names | 12:05 |
Nafallo | not _that_ weird :-) | 12:05 |
AnAnt_ | hehe | 12:05 |
minghua | there you go :-) | 12:05 |
LaserJock | minghua: yes, it is ASCII art | 12:05 |
Fujitsu | It really cannot go into /etc, then. | 12:06 |
LaserJock | well, it's certainly not a config file | 12:06 |
minghua | Yeah, I would say putting them in /etc is against policy | 12:06 |
geser | AnAnt_: the build failed -> http://pastebin.ca/180141 | 12:06 |
minghua | but maybe those ASCII arts are not distributable at all due to copyright/license issue | 12:07 |
Fujitsu | Unless it somehow magically stores its configuration in ASCII art, they're /usr/share/[package] material. | 12:07 |
minghua | I especially don't like the "I have removed authoring information on some ascii art to make it look better in tss." part | 12:08 |
LaserJock | mm | 12:08 |
LaserJock | that's what my question was | 12:08 |
LaserJock | he doesn't even have credits for all of them | 12:08 |
LaserJock | let alone any information that says he/or us has the right to redistribute them | 12:09 |
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