=== xopher [n=xopher@a84-230-121-147.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] slomo: huh? [12:18] hi siretart [12:18] huhu ajmitch [12:18] ah, luckily, I uploaded xine just before the freeze announcement ;) [12:19] siretart: yes, though it's just slushy right now, as soyuz is not enforcing the freeze :) [12:19] ajmitch: ;) === ajmitch won't risk the wrath of the release team by uploading just now :) [12:20] well, I need sleep. cu tomorrow! [12:20] bye :) === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] heh heh. [12:31] I cited myself as a source of information, used for an assignment [12:31] that will go down well. === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] it usually doesn't in academic research without some results published that you can quote :) [12:32] hehe === lupine_85 wishes he could get away with that === micahcowan [n=micahcow@69.36.252.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:33] ajmitch, it was harping on about VPNs, so I cited my marking page [12:33] s/marking/marketing [12:35] heya ajmitch did you ever see about me an account on tiber ( and a rundown of the revu-tools script ) ? [12:35] just curious, if your busy etc no worries [12:35] no I didn't, was busy sorry :) [12:36] I can do it now if you want [12:36] sure [12:36] ;) [12:37] imbrandon: Did you ever get any information on that bug I emailed you about...did the person you spoke to about it ever reply with anything ? [12:38] now I'm off to grab some shuteye while the kids are in bed. [12:38] catch you later - see if I can bust my system some more when I wake up [12:39] Bye! [12:40] Hawkwind: i passed your information to them, i'll poke them again if they havent got to you [12:44] imbrandon: Thanks. I keep asking because the guy who filed the bug originally is in need of those files to complete his project he's working on [12:44] ahh [12:55] ajmitch: the amd64x2's have sse3 correct ? ( you have an x2 iirc is why i'm asking ) [12:57] don't think so [12:57] only up to sse2 [12:57] hum [12:57] that bites [12:57] why? :) [12:57] maybe later (AM2) X2s have it [12:58] osx_x86 only runs on sse3 processors [12:58] i was thinking about upgrading my proc so i could try it ;) [12:58] I was wrong [12:58] flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow up pni lahf_lm cmp_legacy [12:58] but wikipedia says it has sse3 [12:58] so what should I believe? [12:58] ajmitch: you have and am2? [12:58] the impeccable journalism of wikipedia? ;) [12:58] heh i would beleave proc/cpuinfo [12:59] hehe [12:59] Nafallo: no, socket 939 [12:59] www.amd64.com fwiw [01:00] heh well i was willing to grab a new cpu to play with it but not a new computer === lupine_85 has socket754 [01:00] works ok on my ibook anyhow ;) === StevenK doesn't even remember what his CPU is. [01:00] In terms of socket size, anyway [01:01] I have /proc/cpuinfo for the rest. [01:01] imbrandon, there are ways to run osx if you only have sse2, but it's not on-topic in channel, and you'll need to ping me when I wake up for details [01:01] Yagisan: yea i have done it but no rosetta and its SLOW ;) [01:01] i seen the sse2 patch [01:01] imbrandon, ok. so you already know then ;) [01:02] imbrandon: well, check in some reputable places to find out if it does have sse3 [01:02] I don't need to warn you - but ubuntu is much better anyway :P [01:02] yea i have 2 legit copies of osx ( 10.2 and 10.4 ) i was gonna play with but its not worth new computer for ;) [01:02] Yagisan: yup thus i run kubuntu on my ibook ;) well dual boot [01:02] imbrandon: most places say it has sse3 [01:02] but hey its still a *nix os ;) [01:02] imbrandon, ajmitch some amd64 models do have sse3, some don't. /proc/cpuinfo is your friend [01:03] Yagisan: yea i cant on one i dont own yet though ;) [01:03] Yagisan: referring to the X2, reports say all of them do [01:03] but treports are conflicting :) [01:03] i guess i could take a livecd to the store ;) [01:03] imbrandon: you get a chroot on OSX yet? :-) [01:04] ajmitch, some eairly x2 steppings don't. All new should [01:04] LaserJock: well i did and dident , i did as in i got it BUT it wont make ubuntu compat binarys becouse of the mach-o kernel [01:04] Yagisan: mine's probably early [01:04] stepping : 1 [01:04] ajmitch, I have one of the earliest 754 models [01:05] guess that means I have to upgrade then ;) [01:05] ajmitch, I can't even run ubuntu amd64 in vmware :( [01:05] worrying [01:05] it runs fine for me [01:05] ajmitch, stepping : 0 [01:05] oh dear, a .0 release [01:06] ajmitch, as I said - like - the very first ones [01:06] ajmitch, but I bought it to run Ubuntu amd64 native, so I'm happy with it [01:06] mine is a stepping 2 but not an x2 , here is the cpu info http://pastebin.ca/179121 [01:06] no sse3 ;( [01:06] thus i was gonna upgrade it becouse the board will take an x2 [01:07] mine is a sempron socket 754 - now that's old ;) === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-79-143.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon rembers when mmx first hit [01:08] heh [01:08] yeah [01:08] imbrandon, look at my old one -> http://pastebin.ca/179122 === ajmitch had a blazing fast p166MMX [01:09] heh ___my___ first computer ( e.g that wasent a family comp or my dads etc etc etc ) was a pent pro 166 [01:09] anyway, I said I was going to bed -> outta here [01:09] laster Yagisan [01:10] I've still got a P120 pre-mmx somewhere :) [01:10] heh yea i have some old one like that arround , just dunno where [01:10] i had a 100mhz cyrix setup as a router not too long ago [01:11] running sarge heh [01:11] that got replaced with a 333mhz 96mb ram breezy-->dapper box , thats still running [01:11] what have you started, imbrandon? [01:11] wow no kidding === lupine_85 strokes his VIC20 he turned into a router [01:12] j/k ;) [01:12] my first was a p75 with 16MB ram :-) [01:12] ~500MB harddrive [01:12] hahah i had a vic20 , well "we" did [01:13] Nafallo: yea that p pro i had , had a ~800mb hdd and 32mb ram and a 4mb ati video card , i was rockin [01:13] My first computer was a 386SX 25 with 4Mb of RAM [01:13] spent like 2k on it back then [01:13] mine was apple 2gs [01:13] lol === Nafallo hides [01:14] heh we had apple //e's in school ( oragan tail anyone ? ) heheh === lupine_85 remembers his 80x86 [01:14] with apple basic [01:14] heh [01:14] hmm [01:15] I played with BBC BASIC a bit [01:15] do not open flash-things from amd :-P [01:15] and C=4 basic :) [01:15] erm, C=64 [01:15] they make epiphany take 100% ;-) [01:15] i rember spending lots of nights typing in peeks and pokes into a c64 also [01:15] hmm, well my first non-family computer was a 1.6GHz Celeron from Wal-mart :) [01:15] so there :p [01:15] assembly was the only way to do cool stuff on the c64 ;) [01:15] hehe === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] LaserJock: owow [01:16] heh [01:17] My first non-family computer was this laptop, in January :P [01:17] i seen a howto to gut a c64 and put a 900mhz system in it, with slimline dvd+rw drive and all [01:17] imbrandon, nice. [01:17] I've got two C64s here, one with a dead video connector :( [01:17] the only thing i dident like was you couldent use the origial keyboard, it was just for show [01:17] And a floppy drive without power supply, I'm going to make one at some point. [01:18] imbrandon, it should be possible to make a converter for the keyboard >:) [01:18] yea you have to make a pcb to convert it to ps/2 [01:18] hmm, bit of hardware hacking should get the original keyboard to work unless its really horrible [01:19] http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/c64/ [01:19] there it is [01:19] Gut a C=64?! [01:19] someone got a beeb keyboard working on a linux box built in a beeb case with little trouble (iirc he used the pcb out of a cheap ps/2 keyboard to scan the original keyboard matrix and then remapped the keys in software) === lupine_85 guts something else... ;) [01:19] plugwash: yea i seen that [01:20] the only other thing i would do besides a c64 is a NES and wire the controlers to the ubs ports with the orig connections etc [01:20] i ahve seen that done too [01:20] its very nice [01:20] really most keyboards are a matrix once you rip off the original controller so as long as your new controller can scan a matrix thats big enough and you have a way to remap the input in software you are fine [01:21] as a matrix is really the only sensible way to make a keyboard [01:22] classic quite from the howto though .... "I bought a defect C64 on Ebay for almost two Euros. Sometimes you just have to throw in some serious money to get what you really, really want :-)" [01:22] heh [01:25] i can see showing up at the dev summit with a retro c64 + lcd to do some coding [01:25] or akademy , kde running on a c64 ;) [01:25] heh 10 print "hello" 20 goto 10 [01:25] haha [01:26] add a ; to the end of "hello" and it would fill the screen ;) [01:26] eg no linebreak [01:26] yeah i dont remember my basic [01:26] load * ,8,1 [01:26] or soemthing like that [01:27] would load the first program from the floppy device 8 [01:27] of casette [01:27] heh oh man , i hated those days the more i think about it, start to load a chess program and go eat dinner and come back it still would be laoding [01:29] hrm i bet there is a c64 emu in universe [01:29] lol [01:29] imbrandon, I'm sure there is. [01:30] vice! [01:30] yea just installed it, seems not to work [01:30] gee whiz, you guys seriously don't have anything better to do? ;-) [01:30] I'm waiting for cernlib to build! [01:30] go fix bugs [01:31] heh good idea === lwylie [n=lwylie@adsl-71-138-51-246.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Fujitsu grumbles about the inadequacy of this laptop for building things like this... I really must buy myself a reasonable machine in the near future. === StevenK hugs his 3GHz amd64 [01:34] Gr... === ajmitch hugs his dualcore amd64 [01:34] 1.3GHz Pentium Ms aren't great. === imbrandon checks bugmail [01:34] Fujitsu: Ahh, that's my laptop. [01:35] Fujitsu: IBM X40 === ajmitch has a 2GHz P-M === Fujitsu implodes. [01:35] Fujitsu: I have 1.3 GHz P4 desktop === imbrandon has a 800mhz ppc [01:35] except it suddenly dropped off the network during a dist-upgrade :) [01:35] Oh, that one, ajmitch :P === ajmitch won't point fingers at anyone :) [01:35] heh === imbrandon hugs his bbq sunflower seeds === xopher [n=xopher@a84-230-121-147.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] mmm === doko__ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-071-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hfntsh [n=jonathan@89.0.213.221.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:19] anyone up to explain stupid things to a newbie? [02:20] just ask [02:20] well, i read all about creating, merging and updating packages. [02:20] and experimented with it a bait [02:20] but i couldn't understand where you list the open assignments [02:21] or how do i get stuff to do [02:21] apt-cache -i unmet [02:21] those are all broken packages that need to be fixed === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] merges.ubuntu.com for merges and syncs [02:23] azeem: I've got a question for you [02:23] and where do i submit what i've done? [02:23] hfntsh: here [02:23] azeem: how does one take of maintainership of a package in Debian? [02:24] do i just upload it somewhere and send someone the link? [02:24] azeem: Kyral would like to hand over EasyChem to debichem [02:24] take over? [02:24] oh! [02:24] submit it to REVU [02:24] or here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019922.html [02:24] I tried to ping him here some days ago [02:24] thanks, i'll look into those [02:25] LaserJock: the formal process would be to file a bug against wnpp, with a subject "o: easychem", and then one of us retitling it to "ita: easychem", and then upload with new maintainer (and closing the bug) [02:25] as for REVU, i've added my launchpad account to the package contributor group, but still can't use my account to log into REVU. should i somehow create another one? [02:25] but if he agrees, we can just upload with "New maintainer." I guess [02:26] hfntsh: not sure, I haven't used REVU yet [02:26] actually, Daniel has prepared a rather lengthy NMU of easychem I wanted to upload to DELAYED over the last days, but didn't get around to [02:26] hfntsh: you need to upload first === elmore_ [i=elmore@gateway/tor/x-701420d41d5b7c11] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:26] azeem: ok, and I have a new upstream release of gausssum to package [02:26] how do i do that without an account? [02:27] hfntsh: dput [02:27] could somebody please tell me the best and most popular free software equivalents for secondlife? [02:27] LaserJock: I am not quite sure how to handle the Maintainer: field for now, I suggest putting the main guy in there, and possibly me (and whoever else cares) in Uploaders: for the time being [02:27] if I knew what secondlife was I could perhaps help ;-) === Fujitsu attacks his changelog parser... [02:28] azeem: we can't do a mailing list like some team do? [02:30] LaserJock: secondlife is something quite much similar to activeworlds, it's just that it's much more featured and it provides much more freedom [02:30] hehe [02:30] what are the best equivalents to activeworlds? [02:30] what's activeworlds? [02:30] alternatives [02:30] :)) [02:31] i thought you knew about activeworlds [02:31] ok, they're both an alternative to there [02:31] "there" [02:31] the 3d world\ [02:31] something like an internet "virtual" business [02:32] wow, that doesn't make any sense to me [02:32] hopefully somebody can help you though [02:32] what doesn't make any sense to you? [02:33] it's business web software? [02:33] LaserJock: we definetely should do this in the near future, yeah [02:33] LaserJock: did you do any work on easychem, or have a special interest in? [02:33] download secondlife, the linux client, and see it for yourself. [02:33] otherwise, I'll tell Daniel to put himself as Maintainer for now, upload and then we can see what to do about Maintainer: in general [02:33] I haven't done any work on it [02:34] ok [02:34] also, i'd like to get bkchem [02:34] I know Daniel has a package, and bddebian made one too [02:34] I think it'd be a nice addition to the vast sea of molecular drawing programs [02:34] oh [02:35] totall [02:35] y [02:35] an undergrad in my lab said it was the best linux molecule drawing program he's tried [02:35] I asked Daniel about it recently, and he said it needs to get transitioned to the new python policy [02:35] that shouldn't be too hard [02:35] I need to ask Barry for his package, maybe we can merge his stuff if he has done that === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:36] LaserJock: I put bkchem into debichem svn if you want to take a look or just do it [02:36] ok, cool [02:36] let me see whether Daniel mentioned any other blockers [02:36] I transitioned gausssum so I have a little bit of an idea of how to do it === elmore_ [i=elmore@gateway/tor/x-701420d41d5b7c11] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [02:38] LaserJock: he also said there was a problem with a locally modified python-pmw [02:39] he wants to sort it out with upstream, but I think we should just maybe just ship it in a non-default place to have it in etch/edgy [02:40] LaserJock: tell me if you get around doing the python transition, and I'll talk to Daniel again about uploading it [02:40] azeem: ok === Hawkwind_Lappy [n=SoS@ulteo/community/leader/forum/admin/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU [02:44] azeem: wow, I just svn up'd my debichem checkout :-) === fowlduck [n=fowlduck@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] Argh. My machine is now lagging up... It's actually using swap for the first time ever... [02:55] 8 minutes to confirm one of my syncs, crimsun! Not bad at all :) [02:55] sorry, I just reattached. [02:58] jeeze synaptic is flakey [02:59] Is it? [02:59] I've never used it. [02:59] well, under kubuntu edgy [02:59] Synaptic in Kubuntu? [02:59] and azureus doesn't start [02:59] ya [03:00] LaserJock: secondlife is a MMRPG without the RPG , and you can make real money by making games in game with scripts [03:00] heh [03:01] creating new packages - where it says "you must include a copyright and a license file", does it mean a file (debian/license ?) containing the full versions of all licenses used by the program? [03:01] MMORPG minus the RPG. [03:01] lol [03:01] yea [03:01] MMORPG ;) [03:01] A friend played it for a while. [03:01] azureus 2.5 will require considerable resources to merge [03:01] (someone else should feel free to tackle it) [03:01] crimsun, noted. I looked at it, and quickly ran away. === imbrandon dosent know anything about java apps [03:02] Poor laptop... 5 pbuilders running, and it's really lagging up. [03:02] but the startup thing is probably a bash/dash thing like limewire/frostwire [03:02] without looking at it [03:02] imbrandon, probably... dash has caused a lot of issues, but it's a good idea. [03:04] Somebody in -offtopic is recommending X -configure rather than dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg... That's wrong, isn't it? [03:04] no [03:04] (it's just not the Debian/Ubuntu way) [03:04] Well, that's what I meant by wrong. [03:04] either way works , its just what your used to === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:06] Heya gang [03:06] heya bddebian [03:06] it's wrong in the same way that it's wrong to call the evening meal 'dinner'? ;) [03:06] Hi imbrandon [03:06] well, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg hasn't worked for me in debian for quite some time [03:07] minghua: what about ubuntu, i use it pretty regularly [03:07] imbrandon, same. [03:07] imbrandon: sorry, I don't have an Ubuntu install currently [03:08] minghua: was just curious , how does it "not work" e.g it segfaults ? dosnret write the config ? etc [03:08] just wondering [03:08] imbrandon: what's a MMRPG? [03:09] MMORPG , massive multi player online role playing game [03:09] oh, in my case, the debconf questions goes through fine, but /etc/X11/xorg.conf is not changed at all after the dpkg-reconfigure run [03:09] like evercrack [03:09] minghua: you are running it as root or sudo correct ? sorry i had to ask [03:09] imbrandon: wow, that's worse then even Debian acronyms ;-) [03:09] LaserJock: hehe [03:10] imbrandon: yes, sudo [03:10] minghua: not trying to talk down or such, just gotta "get on the same page" ya know ;) [03:10] LaserJock: im surprised you haven't heard of the term [03:10] It's a very common acronym... [03:10] hi [03:11] imbrandon: no problem, I am happy that someone else cares about my problem :-) [03:11] hrm and you checked the file perms on xorg.conf and made sure it dident get made unwriteable for somereason ? [03:11] imbrandon: and FYI, dpkg-reconfigure can't be run as an ordinary user [03:11] imbrandon: good point [03:12] minghua: i dident think so but i wanted to make sure ;) [03:12] but that's a fresh install from etch d-i, so it's a bug either way [03:12] right right , just trying to maybe narrow it down since etch is comming "sometime" ;) [03:13] i dont have a debian proper install handy to test myself [03:13] i do on the laptop but i'm lazy and its downstairs [03:13] heh [03:13] and its sid anyhow [03:13] hmmm... how would one go about packaging a compiler (fpc - www.freepascal.org) that depends on a binary (itself) which isn't in ubuntu, to build? [03:14] lupine_85: You have to bootstrap it. It's not fun [03:14] lupine_85: it's in ubuntu, needs bootstrapped [03:14] bootstrap [03:14] infinity was looking at it a couple of days ago [03:14] so, would one put all the different compiler binaries into the source package? [03:14] no [03:14] that would be evil [03:14] heh [03:14] fugly way of doing it :) [03:15] bootstrapping of stuff like that is done on the buildds [03:15] wget etc? [03:15] imbrandon: the file permission looks fine (644, root:root), and I've just tried again, and xorg.conf is just untouched [03:15] by an admin [03:15] imbrandon: this is in a quite old chroot sid though [03:15] minghua: wow , ok , i'll try it on mine when i get a chance , but it does workin ubuntu [03:15] imbrandon: I'll try a fresh install again and make sure to report it before etch is released [03:15] i would try to get someone to verify that and file a debianbts bug [03:15] yup yup[ === lupine_85 uses lazarus, which depends on fpc :) [03:16] now if this were #debian, and you were talking about ubuntu... ;) [03:16] I was thinking about packaging the lot up at some point after finishing rutilt, but it sounds like something I wouldn't be able to do [03:16] ajmitch: hahah i was thinking the exact same thing earlier [03:16] ajmitch: but we're not that bad ;) [03:17] of course not [03:17] Fujitsu: please complete your debdiff for #61768. It lacks the information listed in the new sync policy. [03:17] new merge policy, rather [03:17] ajmitch: yeah, sorry to be off-topic :-) [03:17] jsgotangco: I've heard of RPGs but not MMORPG [03:17] minghua: debian isn't offtopic here [03:17] LaserJock: World of Warcraft [03:17] crimsun, shall do... [03:17] failing including the binaries, /me would change rules to wget the appropriate fpc binary and build using that ;) [03:17] World of Addiction [03:17] ajmitch: not even a debian bug that is unreproducible in ubuntu? [03:18] Oh, woops. [03:18] I'm sure I did that... [03:18] ajmitch: I thought that was Ubuntu [03:18] minghua: doesn't worry me [03:18] ajmitch: we're nice , ubotu dosent spit out "debian - an african word for i cant configure ubuntu" when you /mesage ubotu debian ;) [03:18] LaserJock: different addictions :) [03:18] I wonder if I can get f-spot into sid before I have to leave [03:19] hehe [03:19] Have to leave? === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon20342.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] bddebian: in about 10-20 minutes [03:19] Oh, hehe [03:19] ( note that was an sarcastic remark about the dpkg bot on oftc ) [03:20] naughty dpkg [03:20] heheh [03:21] surely "debian" is American for "no red under the bed here..." ;) [03:21] minghua: "/msg dpkg ubuntu" sometime on oftc ;( [03:21] imbrandon: I thought it was in the topic [03:22] imbrandon: just tried. not as bad as you described :-) [03:22] LaserJock: it is [03:22] I think it's rather funny myself [03:23] 20:22 methinks ubuntu is 1. Ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. ....... [03:23] kinda childish heh but oh well so am I at times [03:23] haha [03:23] oh they are just bitter [03:23] with a nick of dpkg they must be an epert [03:23] expert [03:23] dpkg is a bot [03:23] imbrandon: childish indeed, but the 2. part is actually good and informative [03:24] I see [03:24] minghua: yea the 2 was just added in the last days [03:27] does anyone in here know if the edgy kernel has support for the echoaudio sound drivers [03:27] they are in official alsa for a while now, but i know they were not in dapper for some reason [03:27] echoaudio? is that the name of the module? [03:27] crimsun: did you get all the ubuntu-*-sponsor packages , or are there still some for me to poke at [03:27] hhh, crimsun and Fujitsu are filling up my mailbox, excellent work you guys :-) [03:27] crimsun, fixed. [03:27] LaserJock, :) [03:27] imbrandon: I've already done them. [03:27] crimsun: cool , ok [03:28] too fast for me [03:28] Xnix: they're enabled in Edgy [03:28] Oh, they're a lot more where they came from >:) [03:28] Oop.s [03:28] $ locate snd-|grep echoaudio|wc -l [03:28] 12 [03:28] Fujitsu: oh i'm sure ;) [03:28] crimsun :) AWESOME!! :) :) that made my day [03:28] There are a lot more. [03:28] crimsun thanks a bunch [03:28] my pbuilder doesn't work that fast :/ [03:28] LaserJock: hehe [03:29] i can see Fujitsu takin on merges.ubuntu.com all alone next release cycle ;) [03:30] hehe [03:30] I'll have little better to do, with 3 months off school :P [03:30] heh i would do merges but im just a tad too busy [03:30] zul: i can imagine ;) [03:31] i did a tad bit of fixes earlier , the last few hours just been goffin off [03:31] i think the only thing i actualy got uploaded today was a usplash fix [03:32] back on monday [03:32] laster ajmitch , have fun [03:32] later* [03:32] Bye! [03:32] bye [03:32] imbrandon: ewww...you are actually touching usplash? brave man [03:33] zul: heh just the post install to fix the kubuntu artwork on upgrade [03:33] heh [03:33] ah [03:34] yea i'm staying clear of that code till it settles ;) [03:34] they are having enough fun with it without me muckin something up [03:36] man, I think I'm getting some of these bug email 3 times [03:37] me too [03:37] or twice, rather [03:38] I get 1 from ubuntu-science, 1 from ubuntu-universe-sponsors, and 1 from universe-bugs I think [03:38] heh [03:39] my procmail filters all that so i only end up with one [03:39] Fujitsu: are you requesting syncs for all these packages only because debian has something newer or do you have any other reasons? :) [03:39] the stupid thing is, they are going to 2 different emails [03:39] I decided to unsubscribe universe-bugs a month ago [03:39] yeah, I might do that too [03:39] I just don't get anything from it [03:39] imbrandon: really? [03:39] and my email traffic dropped to, like, one half [03:39] slomo: afaik he is just going down the merges.ubuntu.com list , the ones that are syncs he is requesting [03:40] imbrandon: I'm just trying to figure out how to use procmail [03:40] LaserJock: yea i love it [03:40] i have a HUGE procmailrc though [03:40] lol [03:40] for firefox to use native widgets, does it need a recompile? [03:40] gmail --> fetchmail --> procmail --> imap --> client == heaven [03:40] LaserJock: you subscribe to universe-bugs and doesn't use procmail? amazing === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] rmjb: native as in QT ? gtk ? or ...... [03:41] gtk [03:41] and either way yes [03:41] widgets on the pages I mean [03:41] not the chrome [03:42] oh i have no idea about the page widgets, they are all qt looking for me [03:42] I dunno... buttons in gmail and so don't fit [03:42] minghua: universe-bugs and it goes to my gmail [03:43] LaserJock: all my mail go's to gmail first then fetchmail gets it and then procmail then imap [03:43] then ME ;) [03:43] imbrandon: ok, that's it [03:43] I need to figure out how you us fetchmail to get mail from gmail [03:43] I got it to sorta work [03:44] simple, lemme password sanitize my config and i'll give it to you [03:44] but it downloads like 800+ email *every* time [03:44] its like 2 lines in fetchmailrc [03:44] LaserJock: mine dosent [03:44] how do you run fetchmail? [03:44] only new stuff, checks ever 60 seconds [03:44] cron [03:44] a crontab under my user account ever minute [03:45] every [03:45] imbrandon: you run fetchmail in cron? [03:45] I think fetchmail can be run as a deamon [03:45] minghua: yea not as a daemon [03:45] imbrandon: any advantage that way? [03:45] minghua: so i can have better control over when it stops etc, like i have it NOT run on weeksends and such if i want [03:46] hmm, makes sense [03:46] well, I don't think I can do cron stuff on the server [03:47] is Martin Pitt here? [03:47] although if I could get my @ubuntu.com address to forward right then it would be a lot less irritating [03:48] that's pitti [03:48] I guess he's not on now [03:48] and I think he's probably in bed [03:48] LaserJock: sure you can , run "cron -e" and you should be able to set user cron jobs on any shell account [03:48] LaserJock: http://pastebin.ca/179271 <-- my fetchmail [03:48] passwd changed of course [03:49] imbrandon: how did you get the cert? [03:49] you make it [03:49] hold on one sec [03:49] anyone know the process to cobble together a variation of the english language settings in ubuntu and gnome? [03:49] i used a howto === amachu [n=amachu@125.22.67.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:49] btw its "crontab -e" not cron [03:49] for user cron jobs [03:50] I want to create en-TT with en-GB spelling but en-US paper and currency symbol and customised date formats === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] is there a wiki entry that describes this? [03:51] LaserJock: http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/postfix_tutorial.html <--grep for "5. Safety First: Configure fetchmail with STARTTLS" [03:51] it explains how to do the ssl part for gmail [03:52] LaserJock: you only need the stuff in section 5 of that page, ignore the rest [03:54] wow, there's a bug and a half... el package created /share ! I dread to think what it did in /bin === lupine_85 sees if the latest does that too [03:55] sony rootkit ? [03:55] heh, no it's mine! [03:56] it's got a fugly build process and hardcodes paths into the binary === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] ah, got it [03:58] "./configure.sh --prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/rutilt" ... needs /usr on the end, lol [03:59] rmjb: I don't quite understand you. did you mean to create a new locale? [04:00] I guess that's what it is, since it seems all the english variants are delievered in the same package [04:01] rmjb: I remember reading it somewhere, but can't find it right now. But I know it's not an easy task [04:01] imbrandon: ok, if I just run fetchmail from a terminal it wants to download 500+ emails [04:01] imbrandon: I have about 1300 total accoring to "All Mail" in gmail [04:01] rmjb: if just for your own use, it's probably easier to just used mixed LC_* settings [04:02] What I'd like, is when you go to the Language Support toool in gnome you can choose English (Trinidad and Tobago) just like you can for English (Austrailia) [04:02] imbrandon: do you have gmail set to delete the emails after they are grabed by POP [04:02] LaserJock: https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13291&topic=1555 ? [04:03] LaserJock: I copy and pasted that URL from the debian Chinese user mailing list [04:03] I don't use gmail myself [04:03] where can I customise my locale details?? like paper sizes (letter instead of A4), currency symbol, date format and so on? [04:04] rmjb: oh I see. I am not sure Ubuntu's language support tool can give you that detailed setting. Anybody can confirm? [04:05] minghua: hmm, yeah, that could be [04:05] rmjb: open an X terminal and run "locale", those output are the individual settings [04:06] oh... well I guess all I want to do is create a customised group of those parameters and call that en_TT [04:09] mwuahaha, I think it's working === cr3_ [n=marc@Sherbrooke-HSE-ppp3610187.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:12] LaserJock: no i have it set to archive them [04:13] LaserJock: it only gets so many at a time , the initial downlaod you have to run a few times [04:13] gmail will only let you download like 500 then 300 then 500 etc etc etc untill it gets all 1300 [04:13] ok, that was my problem === BlueT_ [n=matthew@59-120-11-17.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:15] yea i have it set to archive them on gmail incase some catastrophy and my backups are good etc [04:15] or sometimes its just easy to log into gmail when i'm on the road [04:15] and even thought it shows as read i can still get it [04:17] cool [04:17] that's exactly what I wanted to do === LaserJock is happy again :-) [04:17] hehe === imbrandon testbuilds mythplugins [04:18] not sure about the whole cron thing though [04:19] LaserJock, the new matplotlib won't build, but the new numpy (and thus scipy) conflicts with old one... What should be done? [04:19] darn it === LaserJock is sad again :( [04:19] darn you Fujitsu [04:19] heh [04:19] Haha. [04:19] Fujitsu: I wonder why it doesn't build [04:19] does it build fine in unstable? === Fujitsu checks: [04:20] src/agg.cxx: In function int SWIG_Python_ConvertPtr(PyObject*, void**, swig_type_info*, int): [04:20] src/agg.cxx:1231: error: invalid conversion from const char* to char* [04:20] And a few others. [04:20] Fujitsu: So fix it :-) [04:20] Once matplotlib builds, numpy and scipy can be uploaded... [04:21] bddebian, I haven't dealt with C in weeks :P [04:21] (or C++, for that matter) [04:21] Yes, it builds fine in unstable. [04:21] well, I really think our users (me included) will be a little upset with that old of a scipy in edgy [04:22] Yes, there's a bug or two about it. [04:22] but of course I'd take an old scipy that works over a new scipy that doesn't :-) [04:23] Hm. The file with the fault is generated by SWIG... [04:23] is src/agg.cxx auto-generated? [04:23] minghua, yes. [04:24] I'm trying to find the interface definition file... [04:24] Aha. [04:25] SWIG is black magic to me. but apparently it makes sense to Fujitsu :-) [04:25] minghua, I have a miniscule amount of experience with it... [04:26] rmjb: it seems no en_TT locale exists [04:26] I just regenerated the offending file, and am now rebuilding. [04:26] TT ? [04:26] rmjb: is English the official language in Trinidad and Tobago? [04:26] imbrandon: ^^^ [04:26] no idea [04:26] minghua: yeah, UK english tho [04:27] so we spell it like coloUr [04:27] instead of colot [04:27] Yay :) [04:27] color [04:27] yucky [04:27] ;-) [04:27] BUT, we use US paper sizes and currency symbols [04:27] oh man, you guys really are messed up ;-) [04:28] so a custom locale is what I want to put together [04:28] ubuntu uses belocs-locales, right? [04:28] yea the first patch i ever got Riddell to upload he changed all my changelog entries from color to colour ;P [04:28] heh [04:28] rmjb: if you are not a developer, the first thing you can do is file a bug [04:28] I think it's got further in the build this time, but it's still going... [04:28] Good on him, imbrandon :P [04:28] imbrandon: haha, that's funny [04:29] rmjb: I believe against belocs-locales-data, but I need confirmation from those guys that can check [04:29] well if it's doable for green developers I'd like to give it a shot [04:29] rmjb: let me try to dig a little for you then [04:29] Apparently not... It still fails :( [04:31] who wants to donate a tv capture card to me ? ........ ( joke ) [04:31] If I had one I'd send it to you [04:32] ;) [04:32] i might see about picking one up semi soon, i think i can get a cheap one thats linux compat for about 25$ [04:32] i wanna mess with time shifting tv === lupine_85 has an old TV capture card [04:33] well, I don't know what I'd do with one [04:34] my tv and computer are on opposite sides of the house [04:34] it's PCI... free to anyone who wants it :) === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:34] lupine_85: send away [04:34] ;) [04:34] ask, and ye shall receive! [04:34] well, depending on postage [04:34] I *was* thinking of trying to figure out how to have my VCR record a couple shows tonight [04:34] serouisly ? that woudl rock man [04:34] seriously [04:35] wow cool man ;) heh [04:35] I'd better just check if it's linux-comaptible... [04:35] Aha! The issue has been picked up elsewhere, more python 2.5 stuff... [04:35] lupine_85: i'm sure i could make it work if its pci [04:35] ;) [04:35] brb nother soda [04:36] Fujitsu: can we tell it to not build on python 2.5? [04:36] LaserJock, we can always do that, yes. [04:36] yep, looks like it's good [04:36] At least, we should be able to... [04:36] rmjb: found that one for you: http://people.debian.org/~barbier/talks/debconf5/glibc-locale.pdf [04:37] Hm. [04:37] rmjb: it's a talk on DebConf5, there is even a video: http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2005/debconf5/mpeg/2005-07-15/06-Customization_of_GNU_libc_locale_files-Denis_Barbier.mpeg [04:37] rmjb: good luck [04:37] thanks [04:37] There's a bug filed in Debian about how it shouldn't be using its own version of agg, but it hasn't been touched... [04:37] ! [04:38] imbrandon: I'll need an address to post to... if it's going par avion (I'm in the UK), you'll have to pay the postage I'm afraid === lupine_85 is skint student ;) [04:38] msg me or something when you get back :) [04:40] I've just released a maintaince release on my package that's in edgy. What should I do to get it in edgy? [04:41] lupine_85: sure, one sec , sorry went to grab a drink [04:41] np :) [04:41] lukaswayne9: whats the package [04:41] imbrandon: gfceu [04:41] i've uplaoded it to the revu, but i need to reupload it === Plug [n=crb@203-167-190-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:42] sure, reupload and poke us in here [04:42] is the best way [04:42] thanks [04:42] imbrandon: what are you doing still awake? [04:42] lupine_85: get a pen ? i'll shoot ya the addy, and then lemme know how much posteage and i'll paypal it to ya tomarrow [04:43] nixternal: i'm VERY close to sleeping [04:43] ready :) [04:43] trust me [04:43] dude..you went to sleep supposedly hours ago ;) [04:43] free stuff makes it all worth while :) === lupine_85 is off to bed soon as well [04:43] lupine_85: Brandon Holtsclaw, 9203 E 89th Street, Kansas City Mo. 64138 [04:43] +USA in there somewhere [04:43] lol [04:44] you can email me ( imbrandon@kubuntu.org ) what the postage will be and i'll shoot it to ya paypal tomarrow sometime [04:44] 9203 E 89th Street!? [04:45] ok. are you wanting postal insurance/whatever on it? [04:45] nah , its only a pci card ;) [04:45] oh, and it has a webcam as well (S-video I think)... you want? [04:45] Hmm, so Kansas City is in Missouri... === lupine_85 loves getting rid of stuff :) [04:45] in missouri and kansas [04:45] lupine_85: sure , what ever you stick in the box i'll be happy with ;) [04:45] one of them goofy cities [04:45] alrighty then :) [04:45] imbrandon: i just uploaded it, so it will show up there in about 5 minutes probably [04:46] minghua: its in both, half and half === lupine_85 sticks some suspicious white powder in [04:46] imbrandon, nixternal: I see, thanks [04:46] Wow, I'd been trying to work out how I was meant to get this to compile without python 2.5... Then I read the python policy... >_> [04:46] Fujitsu: lol [04:46] lol [04:47] Now, with any luck this'll work, and matplotlib+numpy+scipy can be uploaded, and LaserJock can be happy again :P [04:47] will 2.5 be default for edgy? [04:47] (python that is) [04:47] lukaswayne9, no. [04:47] no [04:47] its available but not default [04:47] will all the libs be available for it? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:48] lukaswayne9: if they build [04:48] oh, alright [04:48] okies i'm off to sleep , lukaswayne9 post the revu url in here , and ask for MOTU's revu, someone should answer the call as long as you dont spam it ever 2 seconds ;) [04:49] alright [04:49] crappy royal mail website! [04:49] hehe [04:49] What!? This can't be! It BUILT! [04:49] This is the link, but my upload isn't there yet: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3212 [04:50] it should be from 22:40ish, not 22:20 [04:50] doesn't load in firefox; only just manages it in konq. (even then, most of it is broken) [04:50] Alright, it's here now [04:51] =3213 is the new direct link [04:51] So here is my official please some nice MOTU upload my updated package post: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3213 === Fujitsu fumes... Stupid Python Policy, it makes things like this too easy. [04:57] lukaswayne9: umm it should have an orig.tar.gz file and a diff.gz file, its packaged like it was native but its not [04:57] ok really off to sleep now, bbiab [04:57] what do you mean? [04:59] hi all [04:59] Heya zakame [05:00] lukaswayne9: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-mistakes.html [05:00] lukaswayne9: read the first paragraph in "Changing the Original Tarball" [05:01] that explains what "native" means [05:01] oops, sorry about that [05:01] i renamed my tarbell wrong [05:01] I reuploaded [05:02] the link will be http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3214 [05:02] if someone could check that out, it would be great! === Gazer [n=gazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:06] minghua: http://www.student.uit.no/~pere/linux/glibc/howto.html [05:07] yo bddebian [05:08] hmm anyway we can fix the flashplugin thing? or is it fixed already on a new upload? [05:09] err, what? [05:09] I fixed flashplugin-nonfree (twice) yesterday. [05:09] Alright, my upload is in the revu. If someone could check it out that would be great! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3214 Thanks again [05:09] bug 61404 [05:09] Malone bug 61404 in dapper-backports "Flashplugin-nonfree in backports fails to install" [High,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61404 [05:10] oh, there it goes === zakame just read his backmail [05:10] I'm having more than my usual share :( [05:10] I am extremely displeased that that bug was filed against a backported package. [05:12] awww [05:13] LaserJock, ping. [05:14] yah [05:14] lukaswayne9: gfceu has been in Ubuntu before, but your debian/changelog doesn't show that [05:15] I've got python-numpy, python-scipy and matplotlib ready to go... They all build OK. [05:15] w00t go Fujitsu :-) [05:15] :) [05:16] I'm just going to pbuild them all one more time... [05:17] go go Fujitsu [05:17] I am dead serious. If we get another one of these knee-jerk backports, I am going to be even less forgiving. [05:21] crimsun: well it (backports) ought to be stricter :/ [05:21] Gnight folks [05:21] cya l8r bddebian [05:21] :-) [05:22] what happened? flashplugin-nonfree was backported but it's buggy? [05:22] 'evening everybody [05:22] eveing Toadstool [05:22] hey zakame [05:23] LaserJock: yeah, used a newr(?) version of update-rc.d === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:26] LaserJock: yes, I heard it's because the backport approver took his edgy chroot as his dapper one [05:27] I see [05:27] me gets out of bed for this one .... LaserJock and i bet you can guess whom =the backporter was [05:28] no need for {b,f}lames, screw ups happen when you least expect it [05:28] the best one can do is to prevent it from happening again [05:29] that way we grow :) [05:29] zakame: true LaserJock / crimsun: you have a little time tomarrow to chat about some things, i think we need to relook at how backpoorts are file/approved serouisly , especialy with non-MOTU's trying to do it [05:29] s/true/true \n/g [05:31] imbrandon: huh? non-MOTUs can upload stuff directly now? or am I mistaken? [05:31] anyhow i'll try to catchup with you both tomarrow, i'm off to bed [05:31] zakame: hmm? nope [05:31] zakame: no but backport approvals dont require uploads [05:32] Toadstool: ah, well [05:32] imbrandon: I see [05:33] time to grab some food... /me dives into the fridge [05:34] hmmm [05:36] I'm sort of suprised at how many dups that has [05:37] LaserJock, as am I. [05:37] I think it at least needs approval from one MOTU before it should be backported... [05:38] it has to be approved by the backports team [05:38] I believe [05:38] yeah so many dupes [05:39] crimsun: what's up with the ~ubuntuX versioning on flashplugin-nonfree? [05:39] can't LP say allow bug submission previews, then searches the databse for seemingly similar bugs? [05:40] zakame: "they're working on it" TM [05:40] one day I swear I'll set my nick highlighting up to not match 'plugin' [05:40] Plug: haha [05:41] LaserJock: lol [05:42] anyway, it does backports do require approval [05:42] wow, that' was a messed up sentence [05:42] :D [05:42] s/it does// [05:42] poor Plug :-) === Fujitsu waits for matplotlib to build... [05:56] It takes /ages/... [06:02] Is it acceptable to dpatch configure.in, and run autoconf in the config.status section of debian/rules? [06:05] Fujitsu: I'll check in with you tomorrow about matplotlib/scipy/numpy [06:05] OK, bye. [06:05] Fujitsu: if everything builds good go ahead and file the sync requests for the syncs [06:05] Laser_away, there aren't any. [06:05] darn [06:05] Yeah. [06:06] well, I suppose uploading a merge can be faster then waiting for ubuntu-archive === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:06] ok, well I'll take care of it tomorrow if you don't sucker somebody into it before then [06:07] OK, see you. [06:07] Fujitsu: thanks a ton for all that work [06:07] No problem :) [06:07] night [06:07] It just took a while to get them all building with Python 2.5, there wasn't much in it. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=fowlduck@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:16] Packages shouldn't regenerate their debian/copyright on each build, should they!? [06:19] if from something like debian/copyright.in, maybe it's okay? [06:19] Well, matplotlib runs debian/mkcopyright.sh every build, for apparently no reason. === yusufm [n=yusufm@c-24-7-119-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:20] There's also the fact that is has bashisms which result in crap being put into it. [06:23] I have never seen any package regenerating copyright [06:23] that's weird [06:23] hub, it is. [06:23] I've made the script dash-compatible now [06:26] Or should I do away with it completely? [06:27] no idea [06:27] It modifies the Debianisation date/time each build as well, which is just plain wrong. [06:27] I don't know why it does it [06:27] I'll mail the maintainer, I suppose. 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Includes gstreamer0.10 support, among other bug fixes... Should I update the package? [09:29] yes. [09:30] removing gst0.8 {build-,}dependencies -> good [09:30] Yes, I thought so. [09:30] And I had just confirmed there were no outstanding Ubuntu changes, so it'll be easier than mangling Debian and Ubuntu and upstream changes together :) === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-170-69.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:38] Yay, only .po conflicts. === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has left #ubuntu-motu ["chapo] [09:42] What are gstreamer0.8-mad and -flac replaced by? One of the gstreamer0.10-plugins-*? [09:43] Fujitsu: -bad? [09:43] Hmm, probably -ugly [09:43] I think mad would be in ugly, and flac in good? [09:46] Fujitsu: seems you are right, at least according to gstreamer docs: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-good-plugins/html/ [09:46] and http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-ugly-plugins/html/ [10:00] This new one eliminates most of the Debian patches :) === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === iapx8088 [n=c9@host185-164-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:09] hi hi all [10:09] I was wondering, is there a way to edit manpages? my package has a lintian warning about a line not terminating with . [10:09] Hi. [10:10] What!? This can't be right. My package works :) [10:10] iapx8088: depends on how your man page is made [10:10] iapx8088: generally speaking, manpage is just a text file [10:10] yes, mine too, but it's a sort of macro language to [10:11] sort of .if \n+(b.=1 .nr d. \n(.c-\n(c.-1 [10:12] (which should be the incriminated line. [10:12] minghua, can you recognize the type? [10:12] iapx8088: (I think) the language is called groff, but I know nothing about it [10:13] thank you [10:13] iapx8088: sorry, no idea at all [10:13] np, good starting point. [10:13] minghua, I believe is groff, thanks. [10:15] iapx8088: you are welcome [10:23] <\sh> moins [10:23] <\sh> looks like that I missed a change in requesting syncs... [10:24] \sh, you certainly did :( [10:27] <\sh> Fujitsu: well yes, describing why the change "merged from debian" is obsolete will be difficult ;) [10:27] Haha. [10:28] Which request in particular? [10:28] <\sh> all my last sync requests ;) [10:28] \sh, aha. [10:28] <\sh> because I didn't know that we have to explain why we can drop ubuntu changes [10:29] There's a post on -devel-announce in August about it. [10:29] <\sh> anyways...will update the bug reports tomorrow during the day...when I have the time [10:29] <\sh> i just checked the updated developerresources wiki page... === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Goshawk [n=vincenzo@d83-176-72-13.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas_ [n=R67894@AGrenoble-257-1-111-178.w90-9.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:35] Hi ! 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[12:20] Malone bug 61626 in cups-pdf "Please sync cups-pdf (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Untriaged,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61626 [12:20] or is synchronisation only taken care of by ftp masters? [12:23] You need to get it approved by a MOTU (if it isn't already), and an archive admin will get around to syncing it. [12:24] ok [12:24] what's needed to get it approved? [12:24] Subscribing ubuntu-universe-sponsors to it, which has already been done. [12:24] ok [12:25] I'd just like to avoid yet more people reporting the exact same issue under a different bug number. === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1D32.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] I've released a maintainence release to my simple package, gfceu. If someone could upload it, that would be great. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3214 === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B1D32.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] lukaswayne9: did you see my comments about your debian/changelog? It is missing all the previous entries === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] I've updated gnomebaker to 0.6.0... Do I just ask somebody to upload it for me? [12:36] !info gnomebaker edgy [12:36] gnomebaker: application for CD/DVD creation in the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 862 kB, installed size 2640 kB [12:37] It's based off Debian 0.5.1-6, I noticed a bug requesting the upgrade when I was about to file a sync request. crimsun said I should package the new one instead. [12:47] !info gfceu edgy [12:47] gfceu: Graphical front-end using GTK2 for the FCE Ultra NES emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 29 kB, installed size 152 kB [12:57] lovely bots === lfittl [n=lfittl@194.50.115.210] has joined #ubuntu-motu === snowblink [n=snowblin@wind.snowblink.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=mario@89-172-228-156.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo [n=nafallo@silverfairy.magicalforest.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-129-7-170.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.225.201] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] ping dholbach === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=mario@89-172-231-65.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra [n=zdra@213.176-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] I want to package http://wallpapoz.akbarhome.com/index.html but it's a python script to edit a config file and daemon written in python. Are there any good example packages with a daemon written in python that I can take a look at? === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=alessand@host52-173-static.120-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:56] jrib, the package should put a wrapper in /usr/bin ... if so, you can use as an example any package that runs a deamon in /usr/bin === pianoboy3333 [n=alex@ool-43567d61.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:56] I need help, it appears I have two keys when I do gpg --list-keys but how do I tell which I've been signing packages with? === Goshawk [n=vincenzo@d83-176-72-13.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mario__ [n=mario@89-172-233-174.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra_ [n=zdra@36.28-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.6.130.154] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw7-fe10f900-10.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:12] fbond: thanks === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw7-fe10f900-10.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw7-fe10f900-10.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pianoboy3333 [n=alex@ool-43567d61.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [n=michael@dialin104149.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:37] Heya gang [03:37] Hi bddebian. [03:38] Hi Fujitsu [03:38] I've got a new upstream version of gnomebaker packaged, removes dependencies on gstreamer 0.8 and the like, do I just get a MOTU to upload it? [03:42] isnt it gnomebaker in main? [03:42] No. === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:45] it really probably should be, last time I checked... nautilus is a fairly disfunctional way to burn CDs, IMO [03:46] WFM, except it's broken :-P === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mirrado [n=Mirrado@20150047186.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mirrado [n=Mirrado@20150047186.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === stratus [n=stratus@cronopio.rits.org.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.146.217] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=mario@89-172-206-17.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-2900.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:07] zakame: HAPPY BIRTHDAY! === lakin [n=lakin@206.174.196.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === smurf [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] dholbach: ? [05:19] xerxas: hm? [05:19] did you create the pymsn branch ? [05:19] or I did it ? [05:19] no idea [05:19] cannot manage to create the branch for butterfly [05:19] you have to create the product first === chantra [n=chantra@ANantes-151-1-37-241.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:20] yes [05:20] but I can't manage to [05:20] lemme retry [05:24] https://launchpad.net/products/telepathy-butterfly is this correct ? [05:24] https://launchpad.net/people/telepathy/+branch/telepathy-butterfly/ubuntu [05:24] cool [05:24] works ! [05:27] What is telepathy really? [05:29] hi, when I package a soft, there is two files which are included in it, but I would like to get rid of them, how could I do? [05:30] like, I got /usr/lib/gaim/gaim-libnotify.la and /usr/lib/gaim/gaim-libnotify.a included, but I do not need them, how could I tell dpkg to not include them? === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:31] rm them from debian/tmp === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.225.209] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:31] bddebian: hide [05:32] geser: in which section should I do that? [05:33] ping bddebian [05:34] chantra: see for an example http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gaim-encryption/gaim-encryption_2.38-3.1.diff.gz ; the install target [05:34] ping dholbach [05:34] AnAnt: pong [05:36] Does anyone know who/what updates the Contents-ARCH.gz files on archive.ubuntu.com? This seems to be the reason, why apt-file cannot find "python-central".. [05:37] They are from 07 Jun.. [05:37] AnAnt: Yeah, sorry I will try to review freedict :-) [05:40] geser: cheers, I wasn't too far as I was usng dh_clean instead of rm :) [05:40] cheers geser === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt__ [n=anant@62.139.225.212] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:52] ping bddebian === shenki [n=shenki@ppp128-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:00] Don't ping me then leave :-) [06:01] hey bddebian [06:01] pygi: Heya [06:02] haha === formnull [n=rhelmer@people.mozilla.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:21] can some review http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-butterfly/ubuntu/ please ? [06:22] oops [06:22] not yet [06:22] need to correct sth === kagou [n=kagou@84.5.173.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.225.213] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:57] ping bddebian [07:04] AnAnt: Yes.. [07:05] bddebian: there you are [07:05] bddebian: could you please REVU freedict , you told me to change the version number [07:06] AnAnt: Did you not see my response earlier? I'll check it out [07:07] bddebian: what response ? [07:08] AnAnt: Yeah, sorry I will try to review freedict :-) [07:09] bddebian: ok, how about tss too, it's a new upload [07:09] I will try. Super busy at work lately :-( [07:09] bddebian: k, thanks [07:09] gotta go === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.225.213] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [07:26] anyone know what version of ACPI_DSDT patch is included in latest git of ubuntu kernel? === pirast [n=martin@p508B178E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mirrado [n=Mirrado@20150047186.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mirrado [n=Mirrado@20150047186.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.144.97] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pianoboy3333 [n=alex@ool-43567d61.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral wonders why he still hangs out here [08:10] good night everybody - have a great WE! [08:13] I need some gpg help! It appears I have two keys: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24400 how do I know which I've been signing packages, only one should have the password I've been using === coyctecm [i=coy@re.corded.org] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@adsl-144-142-234.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:17] check the signatures you made [08:23] geser: how can I do that? [08:23] geser: I made both! === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/gosub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === segfault [i=segfault@cerberus.softwarelivre.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:25] gpg --verify signed_file (probable a .changes or .dsc file) [08:25] ok [08:26] thank you === pianoboy3333 [n=alex@ool-43567d61.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@adsl-144-142-234.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.225.216] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:54] re === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.225.216] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:04] ping lionelp === xopher [n=xopher@a84-230-121-147.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:10] wow [09:10] son of the black eye is old and dead? === tseng points bluefoxicy to -offtopic [09:11] tseng: do we have such a thing? :-O === Gervystar [n=alessand@2001:1418:1ce:0:20e:a6ff:fea4:4ab5] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:12] I don't really care to be honest [09:12] in that case, why wasn't it named #sounder :-P [09:12] ah :-) [09:12] we do, actually [09:12] tseng: it just dropped out of universe o.o [09:13] $ apt-cache search black eye | wc -l [09:13] 0 [09:14] it's a battle for wesnoth campaign o.o; wesnoth-sotb something. I forget now, I wasn't paying much attention to what I was doing with synaptic. [09:14] right.. === lwylie [n=lwylie@adsl-71-138-51-246.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast_ [n=martin@p508B178E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:32] bluefoxicy: yes, son of the black eye is dropped on version 1.1.2 [09:34] Upstream isn't carrying it anymore then, hrm. Ah well. [09:35] ugh SVN is a PAIN! === bluefoxicy is currently more interested in Invasion: Battle of Survival, but v2.0 won't be out for a couple weeks [09:36] they say beta is due out this week or early next, rc in a couple weeks. Edgy passed version freeze like a month ago didn't it [09:36] How the heck do I commit [09:36] svn ci [09:37] Kyral: when you check something out, svn remembers like everything about it [09:37] I haven't figured out where it's storing the info, but it's got my sourceforge.net username and password memorized and the repository o.o; [09:37] yah...stupid me used Anon access first... [09:37] ah, then when you ci it should ask for a user/password [09:38] the username is stored in .svn/ [09:39] yes but it's letting me write without a password [09:39] no idea where the password is stored though (my svn doesn't remember password for me) [09:40] .svn doesn't have my password at all and there's no ~/.svn* o_o it freaks the hell out of me. [09:41] yea it works :D === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-139-218.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:43] http://rubyforge.org/projects/therush/ === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral feels giddy with his first registered project on RubyForge === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-139-218.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:06] grmbl. having similar tools for debian and ubuntu gets confusing. [10:08] such as being sued to issue tag changes to the _debian_ bts using 'bts', issuing the same command on tis laptop running ubuntu and wondering why the debian bts doesn't receive it. [10:08] s/used/r/used [10:08] argh [10:08] typos r us === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@94.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Biru`biru` [n=ciipo@host185-164-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] hi all [10:12] Jeez I'm on a roll today [10:13] First I open a RubyForge project, and I just submitted a small service menu to KDE-Apps === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:17] ..I should prolly bounce Hobbsee when she comes around === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-79-143.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca_ [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@adsl-144-142-234.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:33] does anybody know which package contains linux/compiler.h? [10:34] geser: try packages.ubuntu.com [10:35] geser: linux-headers (apt-file is your friend ;)) [10:37] geser, I believe the kernel [10:38] can a package depend on linux-headers to build? [10:38] I believe === Biru`biru` is now known as iapx8088 [10:38] i believe too [10:38] apt-fiel update; apt-file search linux/compiler.h [10:41] isn't linux-headers for modules only? and linux-libc-dev (former linux-kernel-headers) for normal programs? [10:42] yes [10:43] then I assume linux/compiler.h is missing in linux-libc-dev as it was included in linux-kernel-headers === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:47] according to goole linux/compiler.h doesn't belong to the exported kernel headers [10:47] jdong_: have we discussed any changes to the backport policy? === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-139-218.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lwylie [n=lwylie@adsl-71-138-51-246.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === iapx8088 [n=ciipo@host185-164-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === iapx8088 [n=ciipo@host185-164-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:09] is the unapproved queue for dapper-updates somewhere visible? [11:10] hmm [11:12] isn't there a dapper-proposed queue now? [11:15] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+queue [11:16] crimsun: do you know what happened with the upload of php4-yaz targeting dapper-updates? [11:17] looking at the mentioned url I can't find a trace of it [11:18] geser: I have no idea; I don't have access to the innards. Try pinging kamion, keybuk, or infinity. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@94.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:19] ole' [11:19] have a nice night guys [11:19] night~' === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:19] crimsun: ok, so on those flashplugin uploads [11:20] why didn't you do a 0ubuntuX? [11:20] just curious [11:20] LaserJock: with a native package? That would have been silly. === Q-FUNK is having a module-assistant orgy [11:21] 7.0.68ubuntu1 >> 7.0.68 [11:21] 7.0.68.0ubuntu1 >> 7.0.68 [11:22] crimsun: oh that's right, I forgot it's native [11:22] trust me, there's a method to my madness... [11:23] I know [11:23] I just wanted a peeking to genius ;-) [11:23] pfft [11:23] go talk to bddebian for genius [11:23] s/peeking to/peek into/ [11:23] heh === LaserJock feels like he needs to start working on the Edgy+1 packaging guide now, just to get it done in 6 months :/ [11:27] crimsun: Please stop mocking me :-( [11:27] I'm not mocking you any more than you've already misshipped my poor pony. [11:27] :-) === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:28] LaserJock: we have a different packaging guide for each release? === AnAnt_ [n=anant@62.139.225.197] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@94.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:29] minghua: a little, more like asymtoptic itterations towards perfection, I hope ;-) [11:29] bddebian: thanks [11:29] guys, if I want a package to be for 64-bit only architectures, how do I set that ? [11:30] they keep changing things on me too === xopher [n=xopher@a84-230-121-147.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:30] I'm trying to make it as generic as possible while still being remotely useful [11:31] AnAnt_: the arch: section in debian/control specify architectures [11:32] LaserJock: did you get much feedback on that doc [11:32] oh some [11:32] I have a lot of ideas to make it better [11:32] minghua: ok, what are 64 bit archs ? ia64 & amd64 , right ? is there anything else ? [11:32] but much less time to implement them [11:33] I'm also supposed to be in charge of the Ubuntu Developer's Reference [11:33] LaserJock: I looked at the hello packaging part, it's quite nice, I hope we point more people there [11:33] wow, developer's reference sounds very serious to me :-) [11:33] it is [11:33] very scary in fact [11:33] does Edgy have a command called linux32 ? [11:33] AnAnt_: Hmm, sorry I can't answer that [11:33] iwj started it [11:33] but handed it off to me [11:34] I think I'm going to need to put a massive "call for contribution/help/suggestions" for edgy+1 [11:35] I just can't do it by myself [11:35] it does, cool === Nafallo dputs mplayer ;-) [11:38] \o/ === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-139-218.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:39] LaserJock: can I ask u for a REVU ? [11:39] I can try [11:40] AnAnt_: what's the url [11:42] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3221 [11:42] is: "sh -c" bashism ? [11:42] not at all. [11:42] cool [11:43] how about: cd objs32 && ./configure && $(MAKE) npviewer.bin [11:43] looks good to me [11:44] k [11:44] I'm packaging nspluginwrapper [11:44] but I don't have a 64-bit machine ! [11:44] (but I am not POSIX expert) [11:45] the easy way to test, I suppose, is setting your /bin/sh to dash, and run those commands yourself [11:46] anyone got a 64-bit machine ? [11:46] yes, amd64 [11:47] AnAnt_: is "Acon is Copyright 1999-2000, Ahmed Abdel-Hamid Mohamed." a typo? [11:47] LaserJock: that's wierd, I removed that ! [11:48] LaserJock: maybe the upload didn't appear yet ? [11:48] I uploaded few mins ago [11:48] and this might seem a little picky, but the copyright/license of the artwork isn't really clear [11:49] actually I uploaded 20 mins ago === redguy [n=mati@acy224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:49] he gives credits for *some* of the artwork, but he doesn't say if they are Public Domain or anything [11:49] LaserJock: how can I know about it ? [11:49] ping him ?! [11:50] well, I don't know if it's a big deal or not [11:50] you might have somebody else look at that [11:50] ok [11:50] geser: can you help me test a package ? [11:50] preferably somebody who knows what they are talking about ;-) [11:50] AnAnt_: which one? [11:51] geser: nspluginwrapper [11:52] url? [11:52] I'll upload it shortly [11:52] what does that lintian warning mean "native-package-with-dash-version" ? [11:53] native source packages don't have revisions delimited by hyphens [11:53] (or at least shouldn't) [11:54] you probably got the name of the orig.tar.gz wrong [11:56] ok, found the problem, thanks === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lophyt1 [n=dsulliva@65.94.199.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:57] LaserJock: the copyright file is correct in the diff btw [11:57] LaserJock: as for the artwork, I dunno really [11:57] AnAnt_: BTW you debian/copyright is missing part of the copyright specified in README [11:57] geser: ok, I uploaded it, please tell me if it builds [11:57] AnAnt_: and you got the author's email wrong [11:57] minghua: huh ? [11:57] minghua: in tss ? [11:58] yes [11:58] and I am talking about upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3224 [11:58] minghua: what's missing from README ? [11:58] Locking and shadow password retrieval code based on vlock 1.3 [11:58] Copyright (C) 1994 Michael K. Johnson and Marek [11:58] oh, alright [11:59] I checked the email, I see it is correct [11:59] oh? kristappleian dot peachgunstone at pean dot org (remove fruits) [11:59] minghua: that Locking & shadow lines, should I put it at the end ? [12:00] minghua: btw, do you think that I'd better make tss Replace vlock ? [12:01] or is it unnecessary ? [12:01] AnAnt_: why? does tss and vlock contain files with the same name? === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:01] I also find it a little odd that the artwork is installed to /etc [12:01] geser: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3227 [12:01] LaserJock: where then ? [12:02] wouldn't /usr/share/tss/ be a better place? [12:02] minghua: nope [12:02] LaserJock: tss complains if it doesn't find /etc/tss or ~/.tss === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.144.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:02] AnAnt_: then you shouldn't use Replace [12:02] then patch it ;-) [12:02] LaserJock: good idea [12:03] I dont' know, what do the other, more intelligent, MOTUs think? [12:03] LaserJock: actually I do agree that the artwork fit in share not etc [12:03] AnAnt_: as for the author email, note his "remove fruits" comment [12:04] minghua: yes, what does it mean ? I thought he meant to replace dot with . & at with @ [12:04] LaserJock: they are ascii arts, right? then I agree with you on /usr/share/tss/ [12:04] ohhhhhhh [12:04] AnAnt_: have you ever eaten dot and at? :-) [12:05] minghua: thanks, I didn't understand what he meant [12:05] Nafallo: well, some ppl use wierd comments sometimes [12:05] Nafallo: I didn't concentrate that his email actually contained fruit names [12:05] not _that_ weird :-) [12:05] hehe [12:05] there you go :-) [12:05] minghua: yes, it is ASCII art [12:06] It really cannot go into /etc, then. [12:06] well, it's certainly not a config file [12:06] Yeah, I would say putting them in /etc is against policy [12:06] AnAnt_: the build failed -> http://pastebin.ca/180141 [12:07] but maybe those ASCII arts are not distributable at all due to copyright/license issue [12:07] Unless it somehow magically stores its configuration in ASCII art, they're /usr/share/[package] material. [12:08] I especially don't like the "I have removed authoring information on some ascii art to make it look better in tss." part [12:08] mm [12:08] that's what my question was [12:08] he doesn't even have credits for all of them [12:09] let alone any information that says he/or us has the right to redistribute them