[12:17] <siretart> slomo: huh?
[12:18] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[12:18] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[12:18] <siretart> ah, luckily, I uploaded xine just before the freeze announcement ;)
[12:19] <ajmitch> siretart: yes, though it's just slushy right now, as soyuz is not enforcing the freeze :)
[12:19] <siretart> ajmitch: ;)
[12:20] <siretart> well, I need sleep. cu tomorrow!
[12:20] <ajmitch> bye :)
[12:30] <Yagisan> heh heh.
[12:31] <Yagisan> I cited myself as a source of information, used for an assignment
[12:31] <Yagisan> that will go down well.
[12:32] <ajmitch> it usually doesn't in academic research without some results published that you can quote :)
[12:32] <lupine_85> hehe
[12:33] <Yagisan> ajmitch, it was harping on about VPNs, so I cited my marking page
[12:33] <Yagisan> s/marking/marketing
[12:35] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch did you ever see about me an account on tiber ( and a rundown of the revu-tools script ) ?
[12:35] <imbrandon> just curious, if your busy etc no worries
[12:35] <ajmitch> no I didn't, was busy sorry :)
[12:36] <ajmitch> I can do it now if you want
[12:36] <imbrandon> sure
[12:36] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:37] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Did you ever get any information on that bug I emailed you about...did the person you spoke to about it ever reply with anything ?
[12:38] <Yagisan> now I'm off to grab some shuteye while the kids are in bed.
[12:38] <Yagisan> catch you later - see if I can bust my system some more when I wake up
[12:39] <Fujitsu> Bye!
[12:40] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: i passed your information to them, i'll poke them again if they havent got to you
[12:44] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Thanks.  I keep asking because the guy who filed the bug originally is in need of those files to complete his project he's working on
[12:44] <imbrandon> ahh
[12:55] <imbrandon> ajmitch: the amd64x2's have sse3 correct ? ( you have an x2 iirc is why i'm asking )
[12:57] <ajmitch> don't think so
[12:57] <ajmitch> only up to sse2
[12:57] <imbrandon> hum
[12:57] <imbrandon> that bites
[12:57] <ajmitch> why? :)
[12:57] <ajmitch> maybe later (AM2) X2s have it
[12:58] <imbrandon> osx_x86 only runs on sse3 processors
[12:58] <imbrandon> i was thinking about upgrading my proc so i could try it ;)
[12:58] <ajmitch> I was wrong
[12:58] <ajmitch> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow up pni lahf_lm cmp_legacy
[12:58] <ajmitch> but wikipedia says it has sse3
[12:58] <ajmitch> so what should I believe?
[12:58] <Nafallo> ajmitch: you have and am2?
[12:58] <ajmitch> the impeccable journalism of wikipedia? ;)
[12:58] <imbrandon> heh i would beleave proc/cpuinfo
[12:59] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:59] <ajmitch> Nafallo: no, socket 939
[12:59] <Nafallo> www.amd64.com fwiw
[01:00] <imbrandon> heh well i was willing to grab a new cpu to play with it but not a new computer
[01:00] <imbrandon> works ok on my ibook anyhow ;)
[01:00] <StevenK> In terms of socket size, anyway
[01:01] <StevenK> I have /proc/cpuinfo for the rest.
[01:01] <Yagisan> imbrandon, there are ways to run osx if you only have sse2, but it's not on-topic in channel, and you'll need to ping me when I wake up for details
[01:01] <imbrandon> Yagisan: yea i have done it but no rosetta and its SLOW ;)
[01:01] <imbrandon> i seen the sse2 patch
[01:01] <Yagisan> imbrandon, ok. so you already know then ;)
[01:02] <ajmitch> imbrandon: well, check in some reputable places to find out if it does have sse3
[01:02] <Yagisan> I don't need to warn you - but ubuntu is much better anyway :P
[01:02] <imbrandon> yea i have 2 legit copies of osx ( 10.2 and 10.4 ) i was gonna play with but its not worth  new computer for ;)
[01:02] <imbrandon> Yagisan: yup thus i run kubuntu on my ibook ;) well dual boot
[01:02] <ajmitch> imbrandon: most places say it has sse3
[01:02] <imbrandon> but hey its still a *nix os ;)
[01:02] <Yagisan> imbrandon, ajmitch some amd64 models do have sse3, some don't. /proc/cpuinfo is your friend
[01:03] <imbrandon> Yagisan: yea i cant on one i dont own yet though ;)
[01:03] <ajmitch> Yagisan: referring to the X2, reports say all of them do
[01:03] <ajmitch> but treports are conflicting :)
[01:03] <imbrandon> i guess i could take a livecd to the store ;)
[01:03] <LaserJock> imbrandon: you get a chroot on OSX yet? :-)
[01:04] <Yagisan> ajmitch, some eairly x2 steppings don't. All new should
[01:04] <imbrandon> LaserJock: well i did and dident , i did as in i got it BUT it wont make ubuntu compat binarys becouse of the mach-o kernel
[01:04] <ajmitch> Yagisan: mine's probably early
[01:04] <ajmitch> stepping        : 1
[01:04] <Yagisan> ajmitch, I have one of the earliest 754 models
[01:05] <ajmitch> guess that means I have to upgrade then ;)
[01:05] <Yagisan> ajmitch, I can't even run ubuntu amd64 in vmware :(
[01:05] <ajmitch> worrying
[01:05] <ajmitch> it runs fine for me
[01:05] <Yagisan> ajmitch, stepping        : 0
[01:05] <ajmitch> oh dear, a .0 release
[01:06] <Yagisan> ajmitch, as I said - like - the very first ones
[01:06] <Yagisan> ajmitch, but I bought it to run Ubuntu amd64 native, so I'm happy with it
[01:06] <imbrandon> mine is a stepping 2 but not an x2 , here is the cpu info http://pastebin.ca/179121
[01:06] <imbrandon> no sse3 ;(
[01:06] <imbrandon> thus i was gonna upgrade it becouse the board will take an x2
[01:07] <lupine_85> mine is a sempron socket 754 - now that's old ;)
[01:08] <imbrandon> heh
[01:08] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:08] <Yagisan> imbrandon, look at my old one -> http://pastebin.ca/179122
[01:09] <imbrandon> heh ___my___ first computer ( e.g that wasent a family comp or my dads etc etc etc ) was a pent pro 166
[01:09] <Yagisan> anyway, I said I was going to bed -> outta here
[01:09] <imbrandon> laster Yagisan
[01:10] <lupine_85> I've still got a P120 pre-mmx somewhere :)
[01:10] <imbrandon> heh yea i have some old one like that arround , just dunno where
[01:10] <imbrandon> i had a 100mhz cyrix setup as a router not too long ago
[01:11] <imbrandon> running sarge heh
[01:11] <imbrandon> that got replaced with a 333mhz 96mb ram breezy-->dapper box , thats still running
[01:11] <ajmitch> what have you started, imbrandon?
[01:11] <imbrandon> wow no kidding
[01:12] <lupine_85> j/k ;)
[01:12] <Nafallo> my first was a p75 with 16MB ram :-)
[01:12] <Nafallo> ~500MB harddrive
[01:12] <imbrandon> hahah i had a vic20 , well "we" did
[01:13] <imbrandon> Nafallo: yea that p pro i had , had a ~800mb hdd and 32mb ram and a 4mb ati video card , i was rockin
[01:13] <StevenK> My first computer was a 386SX 25 with 4Mb of RAM
[01:13] <imbrandon> spent like 2k on it back then
[01:13] <zul> mine was apple 2gs
[01:13] <Nafallo> lol
[01:14] <imbrandon> heh we had apple //e's in school ( oragan tail anyone ? ) heheh
[01:14] <imbrandon> with apple basic
[01:14] <imbrandon> heh
[01:14] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:15] <lupine_85> I played with BBC BASIC a bit
[01:15] <Nafallo> do not open flash-things from amd :-P
[01:15] <lupine_85> and C=4 basic :)
[01:15] <lupine_85> erm, C=64
[01:15] <Nafallo> they make epiphany take 100% ;-)
[01:15] <imbrandon> i rember spending lots of nights typing in peeks and pokes into a c64 also
[01:15] <LaserJock> hmm, well my first non-family computer was a 1.6GHz Celeron from Wal-mart :)
[01:15] <LaserJock> so there :p
[01:15] <imbrandon> assembly was the only way to do cool stuff on the c64 ;)
[01:15] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:16] <imbrandon> LaserJock: owow
[01:16] <imbrandon> heh
[01:17] <Fujitsu> My first non-family computer was this laptop, in January :P
[01:17] <imbrandon> i seen a howto to gut a c64 and put a 900mhz system in it, with slimline dvd+rw drive and all
[01:17] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, nice.
[01:17] <Fujitsu> I've got two C64s here, one with a dead video connector :(
[01:17] <imbrandon> the only thing i dident like was you couldent use the origial keyboard, it was just for show
[01:17] <Fujitsu> And a floppy drive without power supply, I'm going to make one at some point.
[01:18] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, it should be possible to make a converter for the keyboard >:)
[01:18] <imbrandon> yea you have to make a pcb to convert it to ps/2
[01:18] <plugwash> hmm, bit of hardware hacking should get the original keyboard to work unless its really horrible
[01:19] <imbrandon> http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/c64/
[01:19] <imbrandon> there it is
[01:19] <lupine_85> Gut a C=64?!
[01:19] <plugwash> someone got a beeb keyboard working on a linux box built in a beeb case with little trouble (iirc he used the pcb out of a cheap ps/2 keyboard to scan the original keyboard matrix and then remapped the keys in software)
[01:19] <imbrandon> plugwash: yea i seen that
[01:20] <imbrandon> the only other thing i would do besides a c64 is a NES and wire the controlers to the ubs ports with the orig connections etc
[01:20] <imbrandon> i ahve seen that done too
[01:20] <imbrandon> its very nice
[01:20] <plugwash> really most keyboards are a matrix once you rip off the original controller so as long as your new controller can scan a matrix thats big enough and you have a way to remap the input in software you are fine
[01:21] <plugwash> as a matrix is really the only sensible way to make a keyboard
[01:22] <imbrandon> classic quite from the howto though .... "I bought a defect C64 on Ebay for almost two Euros. Sometimes you just have to throw in some serious money to get what you really, really want :-)"
[01:22] <imbrandon> heh
[01:25] <imbrandon> i can see showing up at the dev summit with a retro c64 + lcd to do some coding
[01:25] <imbrandon> or akademy , kde running on a c64 ;)
[01:25] <zul> heh 10 print "hello" 20 goto 10
[01:25] <imbrandon> haha
[01:26] <imbrandon> add a ; to the end of "hello" and it would fill the screen ;)
[01:26] <imbrandon> eg no linebreak
[01:26] <zul> yeah i dont remember my basic
[01:26] <imbrandon> load * ,8,1
[01:26] <imbrandon> or soemthing like that
[01:27] <imbrandon> would load the first program from the floppy device 8
[01:27] <zul> of casette
[01:27] <imbrandon> heh oh man , i hated those days the more i think about it, start to load a chess program and go eat dinner and come back it still would be laoding
[01:29] <imbrandon> hrm i bet there is a c64 emu in universe
[01:29] <imbrandon> lol
[01:29] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, I'm sure there is.
[01:30] <Fujitsu> vice!
[01:30] <imbrandon> yea just installed it, seems not to work
[01:30] <LaserJock> gee whiz, you guys seriously don't have anything better to do? ;-)
[01:30] <Fujitsu> I'm waiting for cernlib to build!
[01:30] <ajmitch> go fix bugs
[01:31] <imbrandon> heh good idea
[01:34] <Fujitsu> Gr...
[01:34] <Fujitsu> 1.3GHz Pentium Ms aren't great.
[01:34] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Ahh, that's my laptop.
[01:35] <StevenK> Fujitsu: IBM X40
[01:35] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I have 1.3 GHz P4 desktop
[01:35] <ajmitch> except it suddenly dropped off the network during a dist-upgrade :)
[01:35] <Fujitsu> Oh, that one, ajmitch :P
[01:35] <imbrandon> heh
[01:36] <imbrandon> mmm
[02:19] <hfntsh> anyone up to explain stupid things to a newbie?
[02:20] <azeem> just ask
[02:20] <hfntsh> well, i read all about creating, merging and updating packages.
[02:20] <hfntsh> and experimented with it a bait
[02:20] <hfntsh> but i couldn't understand where you list the open assignments
[02:21] <hfntsh> or how do i get stuff to do
[02:21] <lophyte> apt-cache -i unmet
[02:21] <lophyte> those are all broken packages that need to be fixed
[02:22] <LaserJock> merges.ubuntu.com for merges and syncs
[02:23] <LaserJock> azeem: I've got a question for you
[02:23] <hfntsh> and where do i submit what i've done?
[02:23] <LaserJock> hfntsh: here
[02:23] <LaserJock> azeem: how does one take of maintainership of a package in Debian?
[02:24] <hfntsh> do i just upload it somewhere and send someone the link?
[02:24] <LaserJock> azeem: Kyral would like to hand over EasyChem to debichem
[02:24] <azeem> take over?
[02:24] <azeem> oh!
[02:24] <lophyte> submit it to REVU
[02:24] <lophyte> or here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019922.html
[02:24] <azeem> I tried to ping him here some days ago
[02:24] <hfntsh> thanks, i'll look into those
[02:25] <azeem> LaserJock: the formal process would be to file a bug against wnpp, with a subject "o: easychem", and then one of us retitling it to "ita: easychem", and then upload with new maintainer (and closing the bug)
[02:25] <hfntsh> as for REVU, i've added my launchpad account to the package contributor group, but still can't use my account to log into REVU. should i somehow create another one?
[02:25] <azeem> but if he agrees, we can just upload with "New maintainer." I guess
[02:26] <lophyte> hfntsh: not sure, I haven't used REVU yet
[02:26] <azeem> actually, Daniel has prepared a rather lengthy NMU of easychem I wanted to upload to DELAYED over the last days, but didn't get around to
[02:26] <LaserJock> hfntsh: you need to upload first
[02:26] <LaserJock> azeem: ok, and I have a new upstream release of gausssum to package
[02:26] <hfntsh> how do i do that without an account?
[02:27] <LaserJock> hfntsh: dput
[02:27] <elmore_> could somebody please tell me the best and most popular free software equivalents for secondlife?
[02:27] <azeem> LaserJock: I am not quite sure how to handle the Maintainer: field for now, I suggest putting the main guy in there, and possibly me (and whoever else cares) in Uploaders: for the time being
[02:27] <LaserJock> if I knew what secondlife was I could perhaps help ;-)
[02:28] <LaserJock> azeem: we can't do a mailing list like some team do?
[02:30] <elmore_> LaserJock: secondlife is something quite much similar to activeworlds, it's just that it's much more featured and it provides much more freedom
[02:30] <LaserJock> hehe
[02:30] <elmore_> what are the best equivalents to activeworlds?
[02:30] <LaserJock> what's activeworlds?
[02:30] <elmore_> alternatives
[02:30] <elmore_> :))
[02:31] <elmore_> i thought you knew about activeworlds
[02:31] <elmore_> ok, they're both an alternative to there
[02:31] <elmore_> "there"
[02:31] <elmore_> the 3d world\
[02:31] <elmore_> something like an internet "virtual" business
[02:32] <LaserJock> wow, that doesn't make any sense to me
[02:32] <LaserJock> hopefully somebody can help you though
[02:32] <elmore_> what doesn't make any sense to you?
[02:33] <LaserJock> it's business web software?
[02:33] <azeem> LaserJock: we definetely should do this in the near future, yeah
[02:33] <azeem> LaserJock: did you do any work on easychem, or have a special interest in?
[02:33] <elmore_> download secondlife, the linux client, and see it for yourself.
[02:33] <azeem> otherwise, I'll tell Daniel to put himself as Maintainer for now, upload and then we can see what to do about Maintainer: in general
[02:33] <LaserJock> I haven't done any work on it
[02:34] <azeem> ok
[02:34] <LaserJock> also, i'd like to get bkchem
[02:34] <LaserJock> I know Daniel has a package, and bddebian made one too
[02:34] <LaserJock> I think it'd be a nice addition to the vast sea of molecular drawing programs
[02:34] <azeem> oh
[02:35] <azeem> totall
[02:35] <azeem> y
[02:35] <LaserJock> an undergrad in my lab said it was the best linux molecule drawing program he's tried
[02:35] <azeem> I asked Daniel about it recently, and he said it needs to get transitioned to the new python policy
[02:35] <LaserJock> that shouldn't be too hard
[02:35] <azeem> I need to ask Barry for his package, maybe we can merge his stuff if he has done that
[02:36] <azeem> LaserJock: I put bkchem into debichem svn if you want to take a look or just do it
[02:36] <LaserJock> ok, cool
[02:36] <azeem> let me see whether Daniel mentioned any other blockers
[02:36] <LaserJock> I transitioned gausssum so I have a little bit of an idea of how to do it
[02:38] <azeem> LaserJock: he also said there was a problem with a locally modified python-pmw
[02:39] <azeem> he wants to sort it out with upstream, but I think we should just maybe just ship it in a non-default place to have it in etch/edgy
[02:40] <azeem> LaserJock: tell me if you get around doing the python transition, and I'll talk to Daniel again about uploading it
[02:40] <LaserJock> azeem: ok
[02:44] <LaserJock> azeem: wow, I just svn up'd my debichem checkout :-)
[02:54] <Fujitsu> Argh. My machine is now lagging up... It's actually using swap for the first time ever...
[02:55] <Fujitsu> 8 minutes to confirm one of my syncs, crimsun! Not bad at all :)
[02:55] <crimsun> sorry, I just reattached.
[02:58] <fowlduck> jeeze synaptic is flakey
[02:59] <Fujitsu> Is it?
[02:59] <Fujitsu> I've never used it.
[02:59] <fowlduck> well, under kubuntu edgy
[02:59] <Fujitsu> Synaptic in Kubuntu?
[02:59] <fowlduck> and azureus doesn't start
[02:59] <fowlduck> ya
[03:00] <imbrandon> LaserJock: secondlife is a MMRPG without the RPG , and you can make real money by making games in game with scripts
[03:00] <imbrandon> heh
[03:01] <lupine_85> creating new packages - where it says "you must include a copyright and a license file", does it mean a file (debian/license ?) containing the full versions of all licenses used by the program?
[03:01] <Fujitsu> MMORPG minus the RPG.
[03:01] <imbrandon> lol
[03:01] <imbrandon> yea
[03:01] <imbrandon> MMORPG ;)
[03:01] <Fujitsu> A friend played it for a while.
[03:01] <crimsun> azureus 2.5 will require considerable resources to merge
[03:01] <crimsun> (someone else should feel free to tackle it)
[03:01] <Fujitsu> crimsun, noted. I looked at it, and quickly ran away.
[03:02] <Fujitsu> Poor laptop... 5 pbuilders running, and it's really lagging up.
[03:02] <imbrandon> but the startup thing is probably a bash/dash thing like limewire/frostwire
[03:02] <imbrandon> without looking at it
[03:02] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, probably... dash has caused a lot of issues, but it's a good idea.
[03:04] <Fujitsu> Somebody in -offtopic is recommending X -configure rather than dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg... That's wrong, isn't it?
[03:04] <crimsun> no
[03:04] <crimsun> (it's just not the Debian/Ubuntu way)
[03:04] <Fujitsu> Well, that's what I meant by wrong.
[03:04] <imbrandon> either way works , its just what your used to
[03:06] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:06] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[03:06] <lupine_85> it's wrong in the same way that it's wrong to call the evening meal 'dinner'? ;)
[03:06] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[03:06] <minghua> well, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg hasn't worked for me in debian for quite some time
[03:07] <imbrandon> minghua: what about ubuntu, i use it pretty regularly
[03:07] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, same.
[03:07] <minghua> imbrandon: sorry, I don't have an Ubuntu install currently
[03:08] <imbrandon> minghua: was just curious , how does it "not work" e.g it segfaults ? dosnret write the config ? etc
[03:08] <imbrandon> just wondering
[03:08] <LaserJock> imbrandon: what's a MMRPG?
[03:09] <imbrandon> MMORPG , massive multi player online role playing game
[03:09] <minghua> oh, in my case, the debconf questions goes through fine, but /etc/X11/xorg.conf is not changed at all after the dpkg-reconfigure run
[03:09] <imbrandon> like evercrack
[03:09] <imbrandon> minghua: you are running it as root or sudo correct ? sorry i had to ask
[03:09] <LaserJock> imbrandon: wow, that's worse then even Debian acronyms ;-)
[03:09] <imbrandon> LaserJock: hehe
[03:10] <minghua> imbrandon: yes, sudo
[03:10] <imbrandon> minghua: not trying to talk down or such, just gotta "get on the same page" ya know ;)
[03:10] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: im surprised you haven't heard of the term
[03:10] <Fujitsu> It's a very common acronym...
[03:10] <ajmitch> hi
[03:11] <minghua> imbrandon: no problem, I am happy that someone else cares about my problem :-)
[03:11] <imbrandon> hrm and you checked the file perms on xorg.conf and made sure it dident get made unwriteable for somereason ?
[03:11] <minghua> imbrandon: and FYI, dpkg-reconfigure can't be run as an ordinary user
[03:11] <minghua> imbrandon: good point
[03:12] <imbrandon> minghua: i dident think so but i wanted to make sure ;)
[03:12] <minghua> but that's a fresh install from etch d-i, so it's a bug either way
[03:12] <imbrandon> right right , just trying to maybe narrow it down since etch is comming "sometime" ;)
[03:13] <imbrandon> i dont have a debian proper install handy to test myself
[03:13] <imbrandon> i do on the laptop but i'm lazy and its downstairs
[03:13] <imbrandon> heh
[03:13] <imbrandon> and its sid anyhow
[03:13] <lupine_85> hmmm... how would one go about packaging a compiler (fpc - www.freepascal.org) that depends on a binary (itself) which isn't in ubuntu, to build?
[03:14] <bddebian> lupine_85: You have to bootstrap it.  It's not fun
[03:14] <ajmitch> lupine_85: it's in ubuntu, needs bootstrapped
[03:14] <imbrandon> bootstrap
[03:14] <ajmitch> infinity was looking at it a couple of days ago
[03:14] <lupine_85> so, would one put all the different compiler binaries into the source package?
[03:14] <ajmitch> no
[03:14] <ajmitch> that would be evil
[03:14] <imbrandon> heh
[03:14] <lupine_85> fugly way of doing it :)
[03:15] <ajmitch> bootstrapping of stuff like that is done on the buildds
[03:15] <lupine_85> wget etc?
[03:15] <minghua> imbrandon: the file permission looks fine (644, root:root), and I've just tried again, and xorg.conf is just untouched
[03:15] <ajmitch> by an admin
[03:15] <minghua> imbrandon: this is in a quite old chroot sid though
[03:15] <imbrandon> minghua: wow , ok , i'll try it on mine when i get a chance , but it does workin ubuntu
[03:15] <minghua> imbrandon: I'll try a fresh install again and make sure to report it before etch is released
[03:15] <imbrandon> i would try to get someone to verify that and file a debianbts bug
[03:15] <imbrandon> yup yup[
[03:16] <ajmitch> now if this were #debian, and you were talking about ubuntu... ;)
[03:16] <lupine_85> I was thinking about packaging the lot up at some point after finishing rutilt, but it sounds like something I wouldn't be able to do
[03:16] <imbrandon> ajmitch: hahah i was thinking the exact same thing earlier
[03:16] <imbrandon> ajmitch: but we're not that bad ;)
[03:17] <ajmitch> of course not
[03:17] <crimsun> Fujitsu: please complete your debdiff for #61768. It lacks the information listed in the new sync policy.
[03:17] <crimsun> new merge policy, rather
[03:17] <minghua> ajmitch: yeah, sorry to be off-topic :-)
[03:17] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I've heard of RPGs but not MMORPG
[03:17] <ajmitch> minghua: debian isn't offtopic here
[03:17] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: World of Warcraft
[03:17] <Fujitsu> crimsun, shall do...
[03:17] <lupine_85> failing including the binaries, /me would change rules to wget the appropriate fpc<arch> binary and build using that ;)
[03:17] <ajmitch> World of Addiction
[03:17] <minghua> ajmitch: not even a debian bug that is unreproducible in ubuntu?
[03:18] <Fujitsu> Oh, woops.
[03:18] <Fujitsu> I'm sure I did that...
[03:18] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I thought that was Ubuntu
[03:18] <ajmitch> minghua: doesn't worry me
[03:18] <imbrandon> ajmitch: we're nice , ubotu dosent spit out "debian - an african word for i cant configure ubuntu" when you /mesage ubotu debian ;)
[03:18] <ajmitch> LaserJock: different addictions :)
[03:18] <ajmitch> I wonder if I can get f-spot into sid before I have to leave
[03:19] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:19] <bddebian> Have to leave?
[03:19] <ajmitch> bddebian: in about 10-20 minutes
[03:19] <bddebian> Oh, hehe
[03:19] <imbrandon> ( note that was an sarcastic remark about the dpkg bot on oftc )
[03:20] <minghua> naughty dpkg
[03:20] <imbrandon> heheh
[03:21] <lupine_85> surely "debian" is American for "no red under the bed here..." ;)
[03:21] <imbrandon> minghua: "/msg dpkg ubuntu" sometime on oftc ;(
[03:21] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I thought it was in the topic
[03:22] <minghua> imbrandon: just tried.  not as bad as you described :-)
[03:22] <imbrandon> LaserJock: it is
[03:22] <LaserJock> I think it's rather funny myself
[03:23] <imbrandon> 20:22 <dpkg> methinks ubuntu is 1. Ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. .......
[03:23] <imbrandon> kinda childish heh but oh well so am I at times
[03:23] <tseng> haha
[03:23] <zul> oh they are just bitter
[03:23] <tseng> with a nick of dpkg they must be an epert
[03:23] <tseng> expert
[03:23] <plugwash> dpkg is a bot
[03:23] <minghua> imbrandon: childish indeed, but the 2. part is actually good and informative
[03:24] <tseng> I see
[03:24] <imbrandon> minghua: yea the 2 was just added in the last days
[03:27] <Xnix> does anyone in here know if the edgy kernel has support for the echoaudio sound drivers
[03:27] <Xnix> they are in official alsa for a while now, but i know they were not in dapper for some reason
[03:27] <lupine_85> echoaudio? is that the name of the module?
[03:27] <imbrandon> crimsun: did you get all the ubuntu-*-sponsor packages , or are there still some for me to poke at
[03:27] <LaserJock> hhh, crimsun and Fujitsu are filling up my mailbox, excellent work you guys :-)
[03:27] <Fujitsu> crimsun, fixed.
[03:27] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, :)
[03:27] <crimsun> imbrandon: I've already done them.
[03:27] <imbrandon> crimsun: cool , ok
[03:28] <imbrandon> too fast for me
[03:28] <crimsun> Xnix: they're enabled in Edgy
[03:28] <Fujitsu> Oh, they're a lot more where they came from >:)
[03:28] <Fujitsu> Oop.s
[03:28] <crimsun> $ locate snd-|grep echoaudio|wc -l
[03:28] <crimsun> 12
[03:28] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: oh i'm sure ;)
[03:28] <Xnix> crimsun :) AWESOME!! :) :) that made my day
[03:28] <Fujitsu> There are a lot more.
[03:28] <Xnix> crimsun thanks a bunch
[03:28] <LaserJock> my pbuilder doesn't work that fast :/
[03:28] <imbrandon> LaserJock: hehe
[03:29] <imbrandon> i can see Fujitsu takin on merges.ubuntu.com all alone next release cycle ;)
[03:30] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:30] <Fujitsu> I'll have little better to do, with 3 months off school :P
[03:30] <zul> heh i would do merges but im just a tad too busy
[03:30] <imbrandon> zul: i can imagine ;)
[03:31] <imbrandon> i did a tad bit of fixes earlier , the last few hours just been goffin off
[03:31] <imbrandon> i think the only thing i actualy got uploaded today was a usplash fix
[03:32] <ajmitch> back on monday
[03:32] <imbrandon> laster ajmitch , have fun
[03:32] <imbrandon> later*
[03:32] <Fujitsu> Bye!
[03:32] <rmjb> bye
[03:32] <zul> imbrandon: ewww...you are actually touching usplash? brave man
[03:33] <imbrandon> zul: heh just the post install to fix the kubuntu artwork on upgrade
[03:33] <imbrandon> heh
[03:33] <zul> ah
[03:34] <imbrandon> yea i'm staying clear of that code till it settles ;)
[03:34] <imbrandon> they are having enough fun with it without me muckin something up
[03:36] <LaserJock> man, I think I'm getting some of these bug email 3 times
[03:37] <fowlduck> me too
[03:37] <fowlduck> or twice, rather
[03:38] <LaserJock> I get 1 from ubuntu-science, 1 from ubuntu-universe-sponsors, and 1 from  universe-bugs I think
[03:38] <imbrandon> heh
[03:39] <imbrandon> my procmail filters all that so i only end up with one
[03:39] <slomo> Fujitsu: are you requesting syncs for all these packages only because debian has something newer or do you have any other reasons? :)
[03:39] <LaserJock> the stupid  thing is, they are going to 2 different emails
[03:39] <minghua> I decided to unsubscribe universe-bugs a month ago
[03:39] <LaserJock> yeah, I might do that too
[03:39] <LaserJock> I just don't get anything from it
[03:39] <LaserJock> imbrandon: really?
[03:39] <minghua> and my email traffic dropped to, like, one half
[03:39] <imbrandon> slomo: afaik he is just going down the merges.ubuntu.com list , the ones that are syncs he is requesting
[03:40] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I'm just trying to figure out how to use procmail
[03:40] <imbrandon> LaserJock: yea i love it
[03:40] <imbrandon> i have a HUGE procmailrc though
[03:40] <imbrandon> lol
[03:40] <rmjb> for firefox to use native widgets, does it need a recompile?
[03:40] <imbrandon> gmail --> fetchmail --> procmail --> imap --> client == heaven
[03:40] <minghua> LaserJock: you subscribe to universe-bugs and doesn't use procmail?  amazing
[03:41] <imbrandon> rmjb: native as in QT ? gtk ? or ......
[03:41] <rmjb> gtk
[03:41] <imbrandon> and either way yes
[03:41] <rmjb> widgets on the pages I mean
[03:41] <rmjb> not the chrome
[03:42] <imbrandon> oh i have no idea about the page widgets, they are all qt looking for me
[03:42] <rmjb> I dunno... buttons in gmail and so don't fit
[03:42] <LaserJock> minghua: universe-bugs and it goes to my gmail
[03:43] <imbrandon> LaserJock: all my mail go's to gmail first then fetchmail gets it and then procmail then imap
[03:43] <imbrandon> then ME ;)
[03:43] <LaserJock> imbrandon: ok, that's it
[03:43] <LaserJock> I need to figure out how you us fetchmail to get mail from gmail
[03:43] <LaserJock> I got it to sorta work
[03:44] <imbrandon> simple, lemme password sanitize my config and i'll give it to you
[03:44] <LaserJock> but it downloads like 800+ email *every* time
[03:44] <imbrandon> its like 2 lines in fetchmailrc
[03:44] <imbrandon> LaserJock: mine dosent
[03:44] <LaserJock> how do you run fetchmail?
[03:44] <imbrandon> only new stuff, checks ever 60 seconds
[03:44] <imbrandon> cron
[03:44] <imbrandon> a crontab under my user account ever minute
[03:45] <imbrandon> every
[03:45] <minghua> imbrandon: you run fetchmail in cron?
[03:45] <LaserJock> I think fetchmail can be run as a deamon
[03:45] <imbrandon> minghua: yea not as a daemon
[03:45] <minghua> imbrandon: any advantage that way?
[03:45] <imbrandon> minghua: so i can have better control over when it stops etc, like i have it NOT run on weeksends and such if i want
[03:46] <minghua> hmm, makes sense
[03:46] <LaserJock> well, I don't think I can do cron stuff on the server
[03:47] <rmjb> is Martin Pitt here?
[03:47] <LaserJock> although if I could get my @ubuntu.com address to forward right then it would be a lot less irritating
[03:48] <LaserJock> that's pitti
[03:48] <rmjb> I guess he's not on now
[03:48] <LaserJock> and I think he's probably in bed
[03:48] <imbrandon> LaserJock: sure you can , run "cron -e" and you should be able to set user cron jobs on any shell account
[03:48] <imbrandon> LaserJock: http://pastebin.ca/179271  <-- my fetchmail
[03:48] <imbrandon> passwd changed of course
[03:49] <LaserJock> imbrandon: how did you get the cert?
[03:49] <imbrandon> you make it
[03:49] <imbrandon> hold on one sec
[03:49] <rmjb> anyone know the process to cobble together a variation of the english language settings in ubuntu and gnome?
[03:49] <imbrandon> i used a howto
[03:49] <imbrandon> btw its "crontab -e" not cron
[03:49] <imbrandon> for user cron jobs
[03:50] <rmjb> I want to create en-TT with en-GB spelling but en-US paper and currency symbol and customised date formats
[03:51] <rmjb> is there a wiki entry that describes this?
[03:51] <imbrandon> LaserJock: http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/postfix_tutorial.html  <--grep for "5. Safety First: Configure fetchmail with STARTTLS"
[03:51] <imbrandon> it explains how to do the ssl part for gmail
[03:52] <imbrandon> LaserJock: you only need the stuff in section 5 of that page, ignore the rest
[03:54] <lupine_85> wow, there's a bug and a half... el package created /share ! I dread to think what it did in /bin
[03:55] <imbrandon> sony rootkit ?
[03:55] <lupine_85> heh, no it's mine!
[03:56] <lupine_85> it's got a fugly build process and hardcodes paths into the binary
[03:57] <lupine_85> ah, got it
[03:58] <lupine_85> "./configure.sh --prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/rutilt" ... needs /usr on the end, lol
[03:59] <minghua> rmjb: I don't quite understand you. did you mean to create a new locale?
[04:00] <rmjb> I guess that's what it is, since it seems all the english variants are delievered in the same package
[04:01] <minghua> rmjb: I remember reading it somewhere, but can't find it right now.  But I know it's not an easy task
[04:01] <LaserJock> imbrandon: ok, if I just run fetchmail from a terminal it wants to download 500+ emails
[04:01] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I have about 1300 total accoring to "All Mail" in gmail
[04:01] <minghua> rmjb: if just for your own use, it's probably easier to just used mixed LC_* settings
[04:02] <rmjb> What I'd like, is when you go to the Language Support toool in gnome you can choose English (Trinidad and Tobago) just like you can for English (Austrailia)
[04:02] <LaserJock> imbrandon: do you have gmail set to delete the emails after they are grabed by POP
[04:02] <minghua> LaserJock: https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13291&topic=1555 ?
[04:03] <minghua> LaserJock: I copy and pasted that URL from the debian Chinese user mailing list
[04:03] <minghua> I don't use gmail myself
[04:03] <rmjb> where can I customise my locale details?? like paper sizes (letter instead of A4), currency symbol, date format and so on?
[04:04] <minghua> rmjb: oh I see.  I am not sure Ubuntu's language support tool can give you that detailed setting.  Anybody can confirm?
[04:05] <LaserJock> minghua: hmm, yeah, that could be
[04:05] <minghua> rmjb: open an X terminal and run "locale", those output are the individual settings
[04:06] <rmjb> oh... well I guess all I want to do is create a customised group of those parameters and call that en_TT
[04:09] <LaserJock> mwuahaha, I think it's working
[04:12] <imbrandon> LaserJock: no i have it set to archive them
[04:13] <imbrandon> LaserJock: it only gets so many at a time , the initial downlaod you have to run a few times
[04:13] <imbrandon> gmail will only let you download like 500 then 300 then 500 etc etc etc untill it gets all 1300
[04:13] <LaserJock> ok, that was my problem
[04:15] <imbrandon> yea i have it set to archive them on gmail incase some catastrophy and my backups are good etc
[04:15] <imbrandon> or sometimes its just easy to log into gmail when i'm on the road
[04:15] <imbrandon> and even thought it shows as read i can still get it
[04:17] <LaserJock> cool
[04:17] <LaserJock> that's exactly what I wanted to do
[04:17] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:18] <LaserJock> not sure about the whole cron thing though
[04:19] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, the new matplotlib won't build, but the new numpy (and thus scipy) conflicts with old one... What should be done?
[04:19] <LaserJock> darn it
[04:19] <imbrandon> darn you Fujitsu
[04:19] <imbrandon> heh
[04:19] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[04:19] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I wonder why it doesn't build
[04:19] <LaserJock> does it build fine in unstable?
[04:20] <Fujitsu> src/agg.cxx: In function int SWIG_Python_ConvertPtr(PyObject*, void**, swig_type_info*, int):
[04:20] <Fujitsu> src/agg.cxx:1231: error: invalid conversion from const char* to char*
[04:20] <Fujitsu> And a few others.
[04:20] <bddebian> Fujitsu: So fix it :-)
[04:20] <Fujitsu> Once matplotlib builds, numpy and scipy can be uploaded...
[04:21] <Fujitsu> bddebian, I haven't dealt with C in weeks :P
[04:21] <Fujitsu> (or C++, for that matter)
[04:21] <Fujitsu> Yes, it builds fine in unstable.
[04:21] <LaserJock> well, I really think our users (me included) will be a little upset with that old of a scipy in edgy
[04:22] <Fujitsu> Yes, there's a bug or two about it.
[04:22] <LaserJock> but of course I'd take an old scipy that works over a new scipy that doesn't :-)
[04:23] <Fujitsu> Hm. The file with the fault is generated by SWIG...
[04:23] <minghua> is src/agg.cxx auto-generated?
[04:23] <Fujitsu> minghua, yes.
[04:24] <Fujitsu> I'm trying to find the interface definition file...
[04:24] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[04:25] <minghua> SWIG is black magic to me.  but apparently it makes sense to Fujitsu :-)
[04:25] <Fujitsu> minghua, I have a miniscule amount of experience with it...
[04:26] <minghua> rmjb: it seems no en_TT locale exists
[04:26] <Fujitsu> I just regenerated the offending file, and am now rebuilding.
[04:26] <imbrandon> TT ?
[04:26] <minghua> rmjb: is English the official language in Trinidad and Tobago?
[04:26] <minghua> imbrandon: ^^^
[04:26] <imbrandon> no idea
[04:26] <rmjb> minghua: yeah, UK english tho
[04:27] <rmjb> so we spell it like coloUr
[04:27] <rmjb> instead of colot
[04:27] <Fujitsu> Yay :)
[04:27] <rmjb> color
[04:27] <LaserJock> yucky
[04:27] <LaserJock> ;-)
[04:27] <rmjb> BUT, we use US paper sizes and currency symbols
[04:27] <LaserJock> oh man, you guys really are messed up ;-)
[04:28] <rmjb> so a custom locale is what I want to put together
[04:28] <minghua> ubuntu uses belocs-locales, right?
[04:28] <imbrandon> yea the first patch i ever got Riddell to upload he changed all my changelog entries from color to colour ;P
[04:28] <imbrandon> heh
[04:28] <minghua> rmjb: if you are not a developer, the first thing you can do is file a bug
[04:28] <Fujitsu> I think it's got further in the build this time, but it's still going...
[04:28] <Fujitsu> Good on him, imbrandon :P
[04:28] <LaserJock> imbrandon: haha, that's funny
[04:29] <minghua> rmjb: I believe against belocs-locales-data, but I need confirmation from those guys that can check
[04:29] <rmjb> well if it's doable for green developers I'd like to give it a shot
[04:29] <minghua> rmjb: let me try to dig a little for you then
[04:29] <Fujitsu> Apparently not... It still fails :(
[04:31] <imbrandon> who wants to donate a tv capture card to me ? ........ ( joke )
[04:31] <LaserJock> If I had one I'd send it to you
[04:32] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:32] <imbrandon> i might see about picking one up semi soon, i think i can get a cheap one thats linux compat for about 25$
[04:32] <imbrandon> i wanna mess with time shifting tv
[04:33] <LaserJock> well, I don't know what I'd do with one
[04:34] <LaserJock> my tv and computer are on opposite sides of the house
[04:34] <lupine_85> it's PCI... free to anyone who wants it :)
[04:34] <imbrandon> lupine_85: send away
[04:34] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:34] <lupine_85> ask, and ye shall receive!
[04:34] <lupine_85> well, depending on postage
[04:34] <LaserJock> I *was* thinking of trying to figure out how to have my VCR record a couple shows tonight
[04:34] <imbrandon> serouisly ? that woudl rock man
[04:34] <lupine_85> seriously
[04:35] <imbrandon> wow cool man ;) heh
[04:35] <lupine_85> I'd better just check if it's linux-comaptible...
[04:35] <Fujitsu> Aha! The issue has been picked up elsewhere, more python 2.5 stuff...
[04:35] <imbrandon> lupine_85: i'm sure i could make it work if its pci
[04:35] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:35] <imbrandon> brb nother soda
[04:36] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: can we tell it to not build on python 2.5?
[04:36] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, we can always do that, yes.
[04:36] <lupine_85> yep, looks like it's good
[04:36] <Fujitsu> At least, we should be able to...
[04:36] <minghua> rmjb: found that one for you: http://people.debian.org/~barbier/talks/debconf5/glibc-locale.pdf
[04:37] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[04:37] <minghua> rmjb: it's a talk on DebConf5, there is even a video: http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2005/debconf5/mpeg/2005-07-15/06-Customization_of_GNU_libc_locale_files-Denis_Barbier.mpeg
[04:37] <minghua> rmjb: good luck
[04:37] <rmjb> thanks
[04:37] <Fujitsu> There's a bug filed in Debian about how it shouldn't be using its own version of agg, but it hasn't been touched...
[04:37] <rmjb> !
[04:38] <lupine_85> imbrandon: I'll need an address to post to... if it's going par avion (I'm in the UK), you'll have to pay the postage I'm afraid
[04:38] <lupine_85> msg me or something when you get back :)
[04:40] <lukaswayne9> I've just released a maintaince release on my package that's in edgy.  What should I do to get it in edgy?
[04:41] <imbrandon> lupine_85: sure, one sec , sorry went to grab a drink
[04:41] <lupine_85> np :)
[04:41] <imbrandon> lukaswayne9: whats the package
[04:41] <lukaswayne9> imbrandon: gfceu
[04:41] <lukaswayne9> i've uplaoded it to the revu, but i need to reupload it
[04:42] <imbrandon> sure, reupload and poke us in here
[04:42] <imbrandon> is the best way
[04:42] <lukaswayne9> thanks
[04:42] <nixternal> imbrandon: what are you doing still awake?
[04:42] <imbrandon> lupine_85: get a pen ? i'll shoot ya the addy, and then lemme know how much posteage and i'll paypal it to ya tomarrow
[04:43] <imbrandon> nixternal: i'm VERY close to sleeping
[04:43] <lupine_85> ready :)
[04:43] <imbrandon> trust me
[04:43] <nixternal> dude..you went to sleep supposedly hours ago ;)
[04:43] <lupine_85> free stuff makes it all worth while :)
[04:43] <imbrandon> lupine_85: Brandon Holtsclaw, 9203 E 89th Street, Kansas City Mo. 64138
[04:43] <imbrandon> +USA in there somewhere
[04:43] <imbrandon> lol
[04:44] <imbrandon> you can email me ( imbrandon@kubuntu.org ) what the postage will be and i'll shoot it to ya paypal tomarrow sometime
[04:44] <Fujitsu> 9203 E 89th Street!?
[04:45] <lupine_85> ok. are you wanting postal insurance/whatever on it?
[04:45] <imbrandon> nah , its only a pci card ;)
[04:45] <lupine_85> oh, and it has a webcam as well (S-video I think)... you want?
[04:45] <minghua> Hmm, so Kansas City is in Missouri...
[04:45] <nixternal> in missouri and kansas
[04:45] <imbrandon> lupine_85: sure , what ever you stick in the box i'll be happy with ;)
[04:45] <nixternal> one of them goofy cities
[04:45] <lupine_85> alrighty then :)
[04:45] <lukaswayne9> imbrandon: i just uploaded it, so it will show up there in about 5 minutes probably
[04:46] <imbrandon> minghua: its in both, half and half
[04:46] <minghua> imbrandon, nixternal: I see, thanks
[04:46] <Fujitsu> Wow, I'd been trying to work out how I was meant to get this to compile without python 2.5... Then I read the python policy... >_>
[04:46] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: lol
[04:46] <LaserJock> lol
[04:47] <Fujitsu> Now, with any luck this'll work, and matplotlib+numpy+scipy can be uploaded, and LaserJock can be happy again :P
[04:47] <lukaswayne9> will 2.5 be default for edgy?
[04:47] <lukaswayne9> (python that is)
[04:47] <Fujitsu> lukaswayne9, no.
[04:47] <imbrandon> no
[04:47] <imbrandon> its available but not default
[04:47] <lukaswayne9> will all the libs be available for it?
[04:48] <LaserJock> lukaswayne9: if they build
[04:48] <lukaswayne9> oh, alright
[04:48] <imbrandon> okies i'm off to sleep , lukaswayne9 post the revu url in here , and ask for MOTU's revu, someone should answer the call as long as you dont spam it ever 2 seconds ;)
[04:49] <lukaswayne9> alright
[04:49] <lupine_85> crappy royal mail website!
[04:49] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:49] <Fujitsu> What!? This can't be! It BUILT!
[04:49] <lukaswayne9> This is the link, but my upload isn't there yet:   http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3212
[04:50] <lukaswayne9> it should be from 22:40ish, not 22:20
[04:50] <lupine_85> doesn't load in firefox; only just manages it in konq. (even then, most of it is broken)
[04:50] <lukaswayne9> Alright, it's here now
[04:51] <imbrandon> =3213 is the new direct link
[04:51] <lukaswayne9> So here is my official please some nice MOTU upload my updated package post:  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3213
[04:57] <imbrandon> lukaswayne9: umm it should have an orig.tar.gz file and a diff.gz file, its packaged like it was native but its not
[04:57] <imbrandon> ok really off to sleep now, bbiab
[04:57] <lukaswayne9> what do you mean?
[04:59] <zakame> hi all
[04:59] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[05:00] <minghua> lukaswayne9: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-mistakes.html
[05:00] <minghua> lukaswayne9: read the first paragraph in "Changing the Original Tarball"
[05:01] <minghua> that explains what "native" means
[05:01] <lukaswayne9> oops, sorry about that
[05:01] <lukaswayne9> i renamed my tarbell wrong
[05:01] <lukaswayne9> I reuploaded
[05:02] <lukaswayne9> the link will be http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3214
[05:02] <lukaswayne9> if someone could check that out, it would be great!
[05:06] <rmjb> minghua: http://www.student.uit.no/~pere/linux/glibc/howto.html
[05:07] <zakame> yo bddebian
[05:08] <zakame> hmm anyway we can fix the flashplugin thing?   or is it fixed already on a new upload?
[05:09] <crimsun> err, what?
[05:09] <crimsun> I fixed flashplugin-nonfree (twice) yesterday.
[05:09] <lukaswayne9> Alright, my upload is in the revu.  If someone could check it out that would be great! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3214   Thanks again
[05:09] <zakame> bug 61404
[05:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61404 in dapper-backports "Flashplugin-nonfree in backports fails to install" [High,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61404
[05:10] <zakame> oh, there it goes
[05:10] <zakame> I'm having more than my usual share :(
[05:10] <crimsun> I am extremely displeased that that bug was filed against a backported package.
[05:12] <zakame> awww
[05:13] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, ping.
[05:14] <LaserJock> yah
[05:14] <minghua> lukaswayne9: gfceu has been in Ubuntu before, but your debian/changelog doesn't show that
[05:15] <Fujitsu> I've got python-numpy, python-scipy and matplotlib ready to go... They all build OK.
[05:15] <bddebian> w00t go Fujitsu :-)
[05:15] <Fujitsu> :)
[05:16] <Fujitsu> I'm just going to pbuild them all one more time...
[05:17] <zakame> go go Fujitsu
[05:17] <crimsun> I am dead serious. If we get another one of these knee-jerk backports, I am going to be even less forgiving.
[05:21] <zakame> crimsun: well it (backports) ought to be stricter :/
[05:21] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[05:21] <zakame> cya l8r bddebian
[05:21] <bddebian> :-)
[05:22] <LaserJock> what happened? flashplugin-nonfree was backported but it's buggy?
[05:22] <Toadstool> 'evening everybody
[05:22] <zakame> eveing Toadstool
[05:22] <Toadstool> hey zakame
[05:23] <zakame> LaserJock: yeah, used a newr(?) version of update-rc.d
[05:26] <minghua> LaserJock: yes, I heard it's because the backport approver took his edgy chroot as his dapper one
[05:27] <LaserJock> I see
[05:27] <imbrandon> me gets out of bed for this one .... LaserJock  and i bet you can guess whom =the backporter was
[05:28] <zakame> no need for {b,f}lames, screw ups happen when you least expect it
[05:28] <zakame> the best one can do is to prevent it from happening again
[05:29] <zakame> that way we grow :)
[05:29] <imbrandon> zakame: true LaserJock / crimsun: you have a little time tomarrow to chat about some things, i think we need to relook at how backpoorts are file/approved serouisly , especialy with non-MOTU's trying to do it
[05:29] <imbrandon> s/true/true \n/g
[05:31] <zakame> imbrandon: huh? non-MOTUs can upload stuff directly now? or am I mistaken?
[05:31] <imbrandon> anyhow i'll try to catchup with you both tomarrow, i'm off to bed
[05:31] <Toadstool> zakame: hmm? nope
[05:31] <imbrandon> zakame: no but backport approvals dont require uploads
[05:32] <zakame> Toadstool: ah, well
[05:32] <zakame> imbrandon: I see
[05:33] <Toadstool> time to grab some food... /me dives into the fridge
[05:34] <LaserJock> hmmm
[05:36] <LaserJock> I'm sort of suprised at how many dups that has
[05:37] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, as am I.
[05:37] <Fujitsu> I think it at least needs approval from one MOTU before it should be backported...
[05:38] <LaserJock> it has to be approved by the backports team
[05:38] <LaserJock> I believe
[05:38] <zakame> yeah so many dupes
[05:39] <LaserJock> crimsun: what's up with the ~ubuntuX versioning on flashplugin-nonfree?
[05:39] <zakame> can't LP say allow bug submission previews, then searches the databse for seemingly similar bugs?
[05:40] <LaserJock> zakame: "they're working on it" TM
[05:40] <Plug> one day I swear I'll set my nick highlighting up to not match 'plugin'
[05:40] <LaserJock> Plug: haha
[05:41] <zakame> LaserJock: lol
[05:42] <LaserJock> anyway, it does backports do require approval
[05:42] <LaserJock> wow, that' was a messed up sentence
[05:42] <Toadstool> :D
[05:42] <LaserJock> s/it does//
[05:42] <minghua> poor Plug :-)
[05:56] <Fujitsu> It takes /ages/...
[06:02] <Plug> Is it acceptable to dpatch configure.in, and run autoconf in the config.status section of debian/rules?
[06:05] <Laser_away> Fujitsu: I'll check in with you tomorrow about matplotlib/scipy/numpy
[06:05] <Fujitsu> OK, bye.
[06:05] <Laser_away> Fujitsu: if everything builds good go ahead and file the sync requests for the syncs
[06:05] <Fujitsu> Laser_away, there aren't any.
[06:05] <Laser_away> darn
[06:05] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[06:06] <Laser_away> well, I suppose uploading a merge can be faster then waiting for ubuntu-archive
[06:06] <Laser_away> ok, well I'll take care of it tomorrow if you don't sucker somebody into it before then
[06:07] <Fujitsu> OK, see you.
[06:07] <Laser_away> Fujitsu: thanks a ton for all that work
[06:07] <Fujitsu> No problem :)
[06:07] <Laser_away> night
[06:07] <Fujitsu> It just took a while to get them all building with Python 2.5, there wasn't much in it.
[06:16] <Fujitsu> Packages shouldn't regenerate their debian/copyright on each build, should they!?
[06:19] <minghua> if from something like debian/copyright.in, maybe it's okay?
[06:19] <Fujitsu> Well, matplotlib runs debian/mkcopyright.sh every build, for apparently no reason.
[06:20] <Fujitsu> There's also the fact that is has bashisms which result in crap being put into it.
[06:23] <hub> I have never seen any package regenerating copyright
[06:23] <hub> that's weird
[06:23] <Fujitsu> hub, it is.
[06:23] <Fujitsu> I've made the script dash-compatible now
[06:26] <Fujitsu> Or should I do away with it completely?
[06:27] <hub> no idea
[06:27] <Fujitsu> It modifies the Debianisation date/time each build as well, which is just plain wrong.
[06:27] <hub> I don't know why it does it
[06:27] <Fujitsu> I'll mail the maintainer, I suppose.
[06:28] <hub> yep
[07:29] <dholbach> good morning
[07:33] <Fujitsu> Morning.
[07:49] <BlueT_> buongior :)
[08:10] <Kagou> hi
[09:24] <crimsun> Laser_away: at the time I uploaded, 7.0.68* didn't exist in Sid
[09:27] <Fujitsu> There's a new version of gnomebaker (0.6.0), and a bug requesting it. Includes gstreamer0.10 support, among other bug fixes... Should I update the package?
[09:29] <crimsun> yes.
[09:30] <crimsun> removing gst0.8 {build-,}dependencies -> good
[09:30] <Fujitsu> Yes, I thought so.
[09:30] <Fujitsu> And I had just confirmed there were no outstanding Ubuntu changes, so it'll be easier than mangling Debian and Ubuntu and upstream changes together :)
[09:38] <Fujitsu> Yay, only .po conflicts.
[09:42] <Fujitsu> What are gstreamer0.8-mad and -flac replaced by? One of the gstreamer0.10-plugins-*?
[09:43] <minghua> Fujitsu: -bad?
[09:43] <minghua> Hmm, probably -ugly
[09:43] <Fujitsu> I think mad would be in ugly, and flac in good?
[09:46] <minghua> Fujitsu: seems you are right, at least according to gstreamer docs: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-good-plugins/html/
[09:46] <minghua> and http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-ugly-plugins/html/
[10:00] <Fujitsu> This new one eliminates most of the Debian patches :)
[10:09] <iapx8088> hi hi all
[10:09] <iapx8088> I was wondering, is there a way to edit manpages? my package has a lintian warning about a line not terminating with .
[10:09] <Fujitsu> Hi.
[10:10] <Fujitsu> What!? This can't be right. My package works :)
[10:10] <minghua> iapx8088: depends on how your man page is made
[10:10] <minghua> iapx8088: generally speaking, manpage is just a text file
[10:10] <iapx8088> yes, mine too, but it's a sort of macro language to
[10:11] <iapx8088> sort of .if \n+(b.=1 .nr d. \n(.c-\n(c.-1
[10:12] <iapx8088> (which should be the incriminated line.
[10:12] <iapx8088> minghua, can you recognize the type?
[10:12] <minghua> iapx8088: (I think) the language is called groff, but I know nothing about it
[10:13] <iapx8088> thank you
[10:13] <minghua> iapx8088: sorry, no idea at all
[10:13] <iapx8088> np, good starting point.
[10:13] <iapx8088> minghua, I believe is groff, thanks.
[10:15] <minghua> iapx8088: you are welcome
[10:23] <\sh> moins
[10:23] <\sh> looks like that I missed a change in requesting syncs...
[10:24] <Fujitsu> \sh, you certainly did :(
[10:27] <\sh> Fujitsu: well yes, describing why the change "merged from debian" is obsolete will be difficult ;)
[10:27] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[10:28] <Fujitsu> Which request in particular?
[10:28] <\sh> all my last sync requests ;)
[10:28] <Fujitsu> \sh, aha.
[10:28] <\sh> because I didn't know that we have to explain why we can drop ubuntu changes
[10:29] <Fujitsu> There's a post on -devel-announce in August about it.
[10:29] <\sh> anyways...will update the bug reports tomorrow during the day...when I have the time
[10:29] <\sh> i just checked the updated developerresources wiki page...
[10:35] <xerxas_> Hi !
[10:36] <iapx8088> do you know any groff related irc sources?
[10:44] <iapx8088> bye
[11:33] <Q-FUNK> 'morning
[12:20] <Q-FUNK> anybody available to sponsor Bug #61626 ?
[12:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61626 in cups-pdf "Please sync cups-pdf (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61626
[12:20] <Q-FUNK> or is synchronisation only taken care of by ftp masters?
[12:23] <Fujitsu> You need to get it approved by a MOTU (if it isn't already), and an archive admin will get around to syncing it.
[12:24] <Q-FUNK> ok
[12:24] <Q-FUNK> what's needed to get it approved?
[12:24] <Fujitsu> Subscribing ubuntu-universe-sponsors to it, which has already been done.
[12:24] <Q-FUNK> ok
[12:25] <Q-FUNK> I'd just like to avoid yet more people reporting the exact same issue under a different bug number.
[12:30] <lukaswayne9> I've released  a maintainence release to my simple package, gfceu.  If someone could upload it, that would be great.  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3214
[12:32] <minghua> lukaswayne9: did you see my comments about your debian/changelog?  It is missing all the previous entries
[12:36] <Fujitsu> I've updated gnomebaker to 0.6.0... Do I just ask somebody to upload it for me?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> !info gnomebaker edgy
[12:36] <ubotu> gnomebaker: application for CD/DVD creation in the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 862 kB, installed size 2640 kB
[12:37] <Fujitsu> It's based off Debian 0.5.1-6, I noticed a bug requesting the upgrade when I was about to file a sync request. crimsun said I should package the new one instead.
[12:47] <lukaswayne9> !info gfceu edgy
[12:47] <ubotu> gfceu: Graphical front-end using GTK2 for the FCE Ultra NES emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 29 kB, installed size 152 kB
[12:57] <Q-FUNK> lovely bots
[02:04] <AnAnt> ping dholbach
[02:25] <jrib> I want to package http://wallpapoz.akbarhome.com/index.html but it's a python script to edit a config file and daemon written in python.  Are there any good example packages with a daemon written in python that I can take a look at?
[02:56] <fbond> jrib, the package should put a wrapper in /usr/bin ... if so, you can use as an example any package that runs a deamon in /usr/bin
[02:56] <pianoboy3333> I need help, it appears I have two keys when I do gpg --list-keys but how do I tell which I've been signing packages with?
[03:12] <jrib> fbond: thanks
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:37] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian.
[03:38] <bddebian> Hi Fujitsu
[03:38] <Fujitsu> I've got a new upstream version of gnomebaker packaged, removes dependencies on gstreamer 0.8 and the like, do I just get a MOTU to upload it?
[03:42] <zul> isnt it gnomebaker in main?
[03:42] <Fujitsu> No.
[03:45] <fbond> it really probably should be, last time I checked... nautilus is a fairly disfunctional way to burn CDs, IMO
[03:46] <Nafallo> WFM, except it's broken :-P
[05:07] <dholbach> zakame: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
[05:19] <xerxas> dholbach:  ?
[05:19] <dholbach> xerxas: hm?
[05:19] <xerxas> did you create the pymsn branch ?
[05:19] <xerxas> or I did it ?
[05:19] <dholbach> no idea
[05:19] <xerxas> cannot manage to create the branch for butterfly
[05:19] <dholbach> you have to create the product first
[05:20] <xerxas> yes
[05:20] <xerxas> but I can't manage to
[05:20] <xerxas> lemme retry
[05:24] <xerxas> https://launchpad.net/products/telepathy-butterfly is this correct ?
[05:24] <xerxas> https://launchpad.net/people/telepathy/+branch/telepathy-butterfly/ubuntu
[05:24] <xerxas> cool
[05:24] <xerxas> works !
[05:27] <xopher> What is telepathy really?
[05:29] <chantra> hi, when I package a soft, there is two files which are included in it, but I would like to get rid of them, how could I do?
[05:30] <chantra> like, I got /usr/lib/gaim/gaim-libnotify.la and /usr/lib/gaim/gaim-libnotify.a included, but I do not need them, how could I tell dpkg to not include them?
[05:31] <geser> rm them from debian/tmp
[05:31] <AnAnt> bddebian: hide
[05:32] <chantra> geser: in which section should I do that?
[05:33] <AnAnt> ping bddebian
[05:34] <geser> chantra: see for an example http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gaim-encryption/gaim-encryption_2.38-3.1.diff.gz ; the install target
[05:34] <AnAnt> ping dholbach
[05:34] <dholbach> AnAnt: pong
[05:36] <blueyed> Does anyone know who/what updates the Contents-ARCH.gz files on archive.ubuntu.com? This seems to be the reason, why apt-file cannot find "python-central"..
[05:37] <blueyed> They are from 07 Jun..
[05:37] <bddebian> AnAnt: Yeah, sorry I will try to review freedict :-)
[05:40] <chantra> geser: cheers, I wasn't too far as I was usng dh_clean instead of rm :)
[05:40] <chantra> cheers geser
[05:52] <AnAnt__> ping bddebian
[06:00] <bddebian> Don't ping me then leave :-)
[06:01] <pygi> hey bddebian
[06:01] <bddebian> pygi: Heya
[06:02] <Nafallo> haha
[06:21] <xerxas> can some review http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-butterfly/ubuntu/ please ?
[06:22] <xerxas> oops
[06:22] <xerxas> not yet
[06:22] <xerxas> need to correct sth
[06:57] <AnAnt> ping bddebian
[07:04] <bddebian> AnAnt: Yes..
[07:05] <AnAnt> bddebian: there you are
[07:05] <AnAnt> bddebian: could you please REVU freedict , you told me to change the version number
[07:06] <bddebian> AnAnt: Did you not see my response earlier?  I'll check it out
[07:07] <AnAnt> bddebian: what response ?
 AnAnt: Yeah, sorry I will try to review freedict :-)
[07:09] <AnAnt> bddebian: ok, how about tss too, it's a new upload
[07:09] <bddebian> I will try.  Super busy at work lately :-(
[07:09] <AnAnt> bddebian: k, thanks
[07:09] <AnAnt> gotta go
[07:26] <Xnix> anyone know what version of ACPI_DSDT patch is included in latest git of ubuntu kernel?
[08:10] <dholbach> good night everybody - have a great WE!
[08:13] <pianoboy3333> I need some gpg help! It appears I have two keys: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24400 how do I know which I've been signing packages, only one should have the password I've been using
[08:17] <geser> check the signatures you made
[08:23] <pianoboy3333> geser: how can I do that?
[08:23] <pianoboy3333> geser: I made both!
[08:25] <geser> gpg --verify signed_file (probable a .changes or .dsc file)
[08:25] <pianoboy3333> ok
[08:26] <pianoboy3333> thank you
[08:54] <Q-FUNK> re
[09:04] <AnAnt> ping lionelp
[09:10] <bluefoxicy> wow
[09:10] <bluefoxicy> son of the black eye is old and dead?
[09:11] <Nafallo> tseng: do we have such a thing? :-O
[09:12] <tseng> I don't really care to be honest
[09:12] <Nafallo> in that case, why wasn't it named #sounder :-P
[09:12] <Nafallo> ah :-)
[09:12] <Q-FUNK> we do, actually
[09:12] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  it just dropped out of universe o.o
[09:13] <tseng> $ apt-cache search black eye | wc -l
[09:13] <tseng> 0
[09:14] <bluefoxicy> it's a battle for wesnoth campaign o.o; wesnoth-sotb something.  I forget now, I wasn't paying much attention to what I was doing with synaptic.
[09:14] <tseng> right..
[09:32] <minghua> bluefoxicy: yes, son of the black eye is dropped on version 1.1.2
[09:34] <bluefoxicy> Upstream isn't carrying it anymore then, hrm.  Ah well.
[09:35] <Kyral> ugh SVN is a PAIN!
[09:36] <bluefoxicy> they say beta is due out this week or early next, rc in a couple weeks.  Edgy passed version freeze like a month ago didn't it
[09:36] <Kyral> How the heck do I commit
[09:36] <bluefoxicy> svn ci
[09:37] <bluefoxicy> Kyral:  when you check something out, svn remembers like everything about it
[09:37] <bluefoxicy> I haven't figured out where it's storing the info, but it's got my sourceforge.net username and password memorized and the repository o.o;
[09:37] <Kyral> yah...stupid me used Anon access first...
[09:37] <bluefoxicy> ah, then when you ci it should ask for a user/password
[09:38] <minghua> the username is stored in .svn/
[09:39] <bluefoxicy> yes but it's letting me write without a password
[09:39] <minghua> no idea where the password is stored though (my svn doesn't remember password for me)
[09:40] <bluefoxicy> .svn doesn't have my password at all and there's no ~/.svn*  o_o  it freaks the hell out of me.
[09:41] <Kyral> yea it works :D
[09:43] <Kyral> http://rubyforge.org/projects/therush/
[10:06] <Q-FUNK> grmbl.  having similar tools for debian and ubuntu gets confusing.
[10:08] <Q-FUNK> such as being sued to issue tag changes to the _debian_ bts using 'bts', issuing the same command on tis laptop running ubuntu and wondering why the debian bts doesn't receive it.
[10:08] <Q-FUNK> s/used/r/used
[10:08] <Q-FUNK> argh
[10:08] <Q-FUNK> typos r us
[10:12] <Biru`biru`> hi all
[10:12] <Kyral> Jeez I'm on a roll today
[10:13] <Kyral> First I open a RubyForge project, and I just submitted a small service menu to KDE-Apps
[10:17] <Kyral> ..I should prolly bounce Hobbsee when she comes around
[10:33] <geser> does anybody know which package contains linux/compiler.h?
[10:34] <LaserJock> geser: try packages.ubuntu.com
[10:35] <Adri2000> geser: linux-headers (apt-file is your friend ;))
[10:37] <Biru`biru`> geser, I believe the kernel
[10:38] <geser> can a package depend on linux-headers to build?
[10:38] <Biru`biru`> I believe
[10:38] <Adri2000> i believe too
[10:38] <iapx8088> apt-fiel update; apt-file search  linux/compiler.h
[10:41] <geser> isn't linux-headers for modules only? and linux-libc-dev (former linux-kernel-headers) for normal programs?
[10:42] <crimsun> yes
[10:43] <geser> then I assume linux/compiler.h is missing in linux-libc-dev as it was included in linux-kernel-headers
[10:47] <geser> according to goole linux/compiler.h doesn't belong to the exported kernel headers
[10:47] <crimsun> jdong_: have we discussed any changes to the backport policy?
[11:09] <geser> is the unapproved queue for dapper-updates somewhere visible?
[11:10] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:12] <minghua> isn't there a dapper-proposed queue now?
[11:15] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+queue
[11:16] <geser> crimsun: do you know what happened with the upload of php4-yaz targeting dapper-updates?
[11:17] <geser> looking at the mentioned url I can't find a trace of it
[11:18] <crimsun> geser: I have no idea; I don't have access to the innards. Try pinging kamion, keybuk, or infinity.
[11:19] <iapx8088> ole'
[11:19] <iapx8088> have a nice night guys
[11:19] <crimsun> night~'
[11:19] <LaserJock> crimsun: ok, so on those flashplugin uploads
[11:20] <LaserJock> why didn't you do a 0ubuntuX?
[11:20] <LaserJock> just curious
[11:20] <crimsun> LaserJock: with a native package? That would have been silly.
[11:21] <crimsun> 7.0.68ubuntu1 >> 7.0.68
[11:21] <crimsun> 7.0.68.0ubuntu1 >> 7.0.68
[11:22] <LaserJock> crimsun: oh that's right, I forgot it's native
[11:22] <crimsun> trust me, there's a method to my madness...
[11:23] <LaserJock> I know
[11:23] <LaserJock> I just wanted a peeking to genius ;-)
[11:23] <crimsun> pfft
[11:23] <crimsun> go talk to bddebian for genius
[11:23] <LaserJock> s/peeking to/peek into/
[11:23] <LaserJock> heh
[11:27] <bddebian> crimsun: Please stop mocking me :-(
[11:27] <crimsun> I'm not mocking you any more than you've already misshipped my poor pony.
[11:27] <LaserJock> :-)
[11:28] <minghua> LaserJock: we have a different packaging guide for each release?
[11:29] <LaserJock> minghua: a little, more like asymtoptic itterations towards perfection, I hope ;-)
[11:29] <AnAnt_> bddebian: thanks
[11:29] <AnAnt_> guys, if I want a package to be for 64-bit only architectures, how do I set that ?
[11:30] <LaserJock> they keep changing things on me too
[11:30] <LaserJock> I'm trying to make it as generic as possible while still being remotely useful
[11:31] <minghua> AnAnt_: the arch: section in debian/control specify architectures
[11:32] <minghua> LaserJock: did you get much feedback on that doc
[11:32] <LaserJock> oh some
[11:32] <LaserJock> I have a lot of ideas to make it better
[11:32] <AnAnt_> minghua: ok, what are 64 bit archs ? ia64 & amd64 , right ? is there anything else ?
[11:32] <LaserJock> but much less time to implement them
[11:33] <LaserJock> I'm also supposed to be in charge of the Ubuntu Developer's Reference
[11:33] <minghua> LaserJock: I looked at the hello packaging part, it's quite nice, I hope we point more people there
[11:33] <minghua> wow, developer's reference sounds very serious to me :-)
[11:33] <LaserJock> it is
[11:33] <LaserJock> very scary in fact
[11:33] <AnAnt_> does Edgy have a command called linux32 ?
[11:33] <minghua> AnAnt_: Hmm, sorry I can't answer that
[11:33] <LaserJock> iwj started it
[11:33] <LaserJock> but handed it off to me
[11:34] <LaserJock> I think I'm going to need to put a massive "call for contribution/help/suggestions" for edgy+1
[11:35] <LaserJock> I just can't do it by myself
[11:35] <AnAnt_> it does, cool
[11:38] <LaserJock> \o/
[11:39] <AnAnt_> LaserJock: can I ask u for a REVU ?
[11:39] <LaserJock> I can try
[11:40] <LaserJock> AnAnt_: what's the url
[11:42] <AnAnt_> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3221
[11:42] <AnAnt_> is: "sh -c" bashism ?
[11:42] <crimsun> not at all.
[11:42] <AnAnt_> cool
[11:43] <AnAnt_> how about: cd objs32 && ./configure && $(MAKE) npviewer.bin
[11:43] <minghua> looks good to me
[11:44] <AnAnt_> k
[11:44] <AnAnt_> I'm packaging nspluginwrapper
[11:44] <AnAnt_> but I don't have a 64-bit machine !
[11:44] <minghua> (but I am not POSIX expert)
[11:45] <minghua> the easy way to test, I suppose, is setting your /bin/sh to dash, and run those commands yourself
[11:46] <AnAnt_> anyone got a 64-bit machine ?
[11:46] <geser> yes, amd64
[11:47] <LaserJock> AnAnt_: is "Acon is Copyright 1999-2000, Ahmed Abdel-Hamid Mohamed." a typo?
[11:47] <AnAnt_> LaserJock: that's wierd, I removed that !
[11:48] <AnAnt_> LaserJock: maybe the upload didn't appear yet ?
[11:48] <AnAnt_> I uploaded few mins ago
[11:48] <LaserJock> and this might seem a little picky, but the copyright/license of the artwork isn't really clear
[11:49] <AnAnt_> actually I uploaded 20 mins ago
[11:49] <LaserJock> he gives credits for *some* of the artwork, but he doesn't say if they are Public Domain or anything
[11:49] <AnAnt_> LaserJock: how can I know about it ?
[11:49] <AnAnt_> ping him ?!
[11:50] <LaserJock> well, I don't know if it's a big deal or not
[11:50] <LaserJock> you might have somebody else look at that
[11:50] <AnAnt_> ok
[11:50] <AnAnt_> geser: can you help me test a package ?
[11:50] <LaserJock> preferably somebody who knows what they are talking about ;-)
[11:50] <geser> AnAnt_: which one?
[11:51] <AnAnt_> geser: nspluginwrapper
[11:52] <geser> url?
[11:52] <AnAnt_> I'll upload it shortly
[11:52] <AnAnt_> what does that lintian warning mean "native-package-with-dash-version" ?
[11:53] <crimsun> native source packages don't have revisions delimited by hyphens
[11:53] <crimsun> (or at least shouldn't)
[11:54] <geser> you probably got the name of the orig.tar.gz wrong
[11:56] <AnAnt_> ok, found the problem, thanks
[11:57] <AnAnt_> LaserJock: the copyright file is correct in the diff btw
[11:57] <AnAnt_> LaserJock: as for the artwork, I dunno really
[11:57] <minghua> AnAnt_: BTW you debian/copyright is missing part of the copyright specified in README
[11:57] <AnAnt_> geser: ok, I uploaded it, please tell me if it builds
[11:57] <minghua> AnAnt_: and you got the author's email wrong
[11:57] <AnAnt_> minghua: huh ?
[11:57] <AnAnt_> minghua: in tss ?
[11:58] <minghua> yes
[11:58] <minghua> and I am talking about upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3224
[11:58] <AnAnt_> minghua: what's missing from README ?
[11:58] <minghua> Locking and shadow password retrieval code based on vlock 1.3
[11:58] <minghua> Copyright (C) 1994 Michael K. Johnson and Marek
[11:58] <AnAnt_> oh, alright
[11:59] <AnAnt_> I checked the email, I see it is correct
[11:59] <minghua> oh? kristappleian dot peachgunstone at pean dot org (remove fruits)
[11:59] <AnAnt_> minghua: that Locking & shadow lines, should I put it at the end ?
[12:00] <AnAnt_> minghua: btw, do you think that I'd better make tss Replace vlock ?
[12:01] <AnAnt_> or is it unnecessary ?
[12:01] <minghua> AnAnt_: why?  does tss and vlock contain files with the same name?
[12:01] <LaserJock> I also find it a little odd that the artwork is installed to /etc
[12:01] <AnAnt_> geser: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3227
[12:01] <AnAnt_> LaserJock: where then ?
[12:02] <LaserJock> wouldn't /usr/share/tss/ be a better place?
[12:02] <AnAnt_> minghua: nope
[12:02] <AnAnt_> LaserJock: tss complains if it doesn't find /etc/tss or ~/.tss
[12:02] <minghua> AnAnt_: then you shouldn't use Replace
[12:02] <LaserJock> then patch it ;-)
[12:02] <AnAnt_> LaserJock: good idea
[12:03] <LaserJock> I dont' know, what do the other, more intelligent, MOTUs think?
[12:03] <AnAnt_> LaserJock: actually I do agree that the artwork fit in share not etc
[12:03] <minghua> AnAnt_: as for the author email, note his "remove fruits" comment
[12:04] <AnAnt_> minghua: yes, what does it mean ? I thought he meant to replace dot with . & at with @
[12:04] <minghua> LaserJock: they are ascii arts, right?  then I agree with you on /usr/share/tss/
[12:04] <AnAnt_> ohhhhhhh
[12:04] <Nafallo> AnAnt_: have you ever eaten dot and at? :-)
[12:05] <AnAnt_> minghua: thanks, I didn't understand what he meant
[12:05] <AnAnt_> Nafallo: well, some ppl use wierd comments sometimes
[12:05] <AnAnt_> Nafallo: I didn't concentrate that his email actually contained fruit names
[12:05] <Nafallo> not _that_ weird :-)
[12:05] <AnAnt_> hehe
[12:05] <minghua> there you go :-)
[12:05] <LaserJock> minghua: yes, it is ASCII art
[12:06] <Fujitsu> It really cannot go into /etc, then.
[12:06] <LaserJock> well, it's certainly not a config file
[12:06] <minghua> Yeah, I would say putting them in /etc is against policy
[12:06] <geser> AnAnt_: the build failed -> http://pastebin.ca/180141
[12:07] <minghua> but maybe those ASCII arts are not distributable at all due to copyright/license issue
[12:07] <Fujitsu> Unless it somehow magically stores its configuration in ASCII art, they're /usr/share/[package]  material.
[12:08] <minghua> I especially don't like the "I have removed authoring information on some ascii art to make it look better in tss." part
[12:08] <LaserJock> mm
[12:08] <LaserJock> that's what my question was
[12:08] <LaserJock> he doesn't even have credits for all of them
[12:09] <LaserJock> let alone any information that says he/or us has the right to redistribute them