[12:13] <jdong> ryanakca: you mean morphine?
[12:13] <jdong> or LSD?
[12:13] <ryanakca> erm... no
[12:14] <kwwii> now to get mol running on my dapper
[12:14] <kwwii> hehe
[12:14] <kwwii> good luck
[12:14] <imbrandon> kwwii: 10.4 ?
[12:14] <ryanakca> actually... I figured out how to get rid of them... other than by locking the pannel... I might decide to add it to kubuntu-default-settings, bbl
[12:14] <kwwii> imbrandon: yepp
[12:14] <kwwii> imbrandon: ever had it running?
[12:14] <kwwii> mol, I mean
[12:14] <kwwii> in mol, I mean
[12:14] <imbrandon> kwwii: yea but you need a patch thats not in dapper ( or edgy ) 
[12:14] <kwwii> hehe
[12:15] <imbrandon> i have it runnign right now matter of fact
[12:15] <imbrandon> kwwii: you gonna set it up now ?
[12:15] <kwwii> a kernel patch, I asuume?
[12:15] <imbrandon> nope, just a replacement file before you run it the first time
[12:15] <imbrandon> no compile needed
[12:15] <kwwii> hrm, I thought about it
[12:15] <kwwii> what chance do you think I have of succeeding?
[12:15] <imbrandon> kwwii: lemme grab a soda and i can have you working in 10 minutes
[12:15] <kwwii> cool :-)
[12:15] <kwwii> I will at least try it
[12:16] <kwwii> can't hurt
[12:16] <imbrandon> that is if you already have a working osx install on another partition
[12:16] <Tonio_> jdong if I have time before release to do this, I'll build kdebase and kdelibs without _Sime_ patches to compare...
[12:16] <imbrandon> if not 10 minutes + osx install time
[12:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:16] <imbrandon> kk brb one sec
[12:16] <Tonio_> jdong but I'll test on my girlfriend's laptop before
[12:16] <Tonio_> she has dapper :)
[12:18] <jdong> Tonio_: k
[12:55] <jdong> AHH NO CRAP
[12:55] <jdong> DAMN
[12:56] <n8k99> imbrandon: hey
[12:56] <imbrandon> heya n8k99 
[12:56] <imbrandon> wasup brotherman
[12:57] <n8k99> imbrandon: were you able to install koffice on your ibook with edgy?
[12:57] <imbrandon> it has ruby issues atm on ppc
[12:57] <imbrandon> so yes but i did it before the problems started
[12:58] <n8k99> is that the prob?
[12:58] <imbrandon> yea ruby isnt installable
[12:58] <imbrandon> it ftbs
[12:58] <n8k99> oh really - ftbs?
[12:59] <imbrandon> yea someone ( BenC ? ) is working on it atm i think
[12:59] <imbrandon> but its the weekend so much probably wont get done till monday
[12:59] <imbrandon> tbh
[12:59] <n8k99> oh great then that could fix Bug #60333
[12:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60333 in koffice "koffice installation problem in edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60333
[01:00] <imbrandon> yup
[01:00] <n8k99> sweet!
[01:01] <imbrandon> ftbs is faild to build from source
[01:01] <imbrandon> failed
[01:01] <n8k99> ah ha! thanx
[01:01] <n8k99> i'm not as slow as i look, so i will catch on sooner or later ;)
[01:02] <imbrandon> !ftbs is <reply> ftbs is an Acronym for Failed To Build from Source
[01:02] <imbrandon> heheh
[01:02] <imbrandon> !ping
[01:02] <ubotu> ping: connection timeout
[01:03] <imbrandon> !ftbs is <reply> ftbs is an Acronym for Failed To Build from Source
[01:03] <ubotu> I'll remember that, imbrandon
[01:03] <imbrandon> there we go
[01:03] <imbrandon> !ftbs
[01:03] <ubotu> ftbs is an Acronym for Failed To Build from Source
[01:04] <n8k99> so ruby ftbs on ppc under edgy? 
[01:04] <imbrandon> kwwiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii: more music videos time
[01:04] <imbrandon> now i see why you said your kids will inherit your nick , and just be kwwiii 
[01:04] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:05] <imbrandon> kwwii and kwwiii and kwwiv
[01:05] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:06] <n8k99> kwii: the kdm screen is totally hot
[01:07] <n8k99> oops, i forgot a w
[01:07] <n8k99> i'll go stand in the corner now
[01:07] <imbrandon> heh
[01:08] <imbrandon> n8k99: dont worry i spelled his name wrong in a changelog entry ( but i wasent the only one )
[01:08] <imbrandon> ( real name )
[01:08] <n8k99> d'oh! 
[01:09] <n8k99> imbrandon: did i read that you just had a kid?
[01:09] <imbrandon> n8k99: yea not to long ago
[01:09] <imbrandon> tis my 4th ( 3rd with my wife )
[01:09] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:09] <n8k99> awesome- congrats!!
[01:09] <imbrandon> thanks
[01:09] <n8k99> BB!!
[01:10] <n8k99> busy beaver - heh too bad the versions are past 'B' alreasdy!
[01:10] <imbrandon> ?
[01:11] <n8k99> non sequitor brain
[01:11] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:11] <n8k99> 17 month old in my lap does it to me
[01:13] <imbrandon> hehehe
[01:15] <kwwii> buahahaha
[01:15] <kwwii> I can kill anything!
[01:16] <kwwii> mol dies with this "Unimplemented store instruction 7C000FEC"
[01:16] <imbrandon> hahha
[01:16] <imbrandon> g4 ?
[01:16] <kwwii> I should not have tried to make it full screen
[01:16] <kwwii> yepp
[01:16] <kwwii> my laptop usually works when it comes to this kind of thing
[01:16] <imbrandon> there is something on one of the config about turning on g4 stuff too
[01:16] <kwwii> I mean, it worked for a while
[01:17] <imbrandon> ( e.g accelleration )
[01:17] <kwwii> but I kept trying to get it to start fullscreen
[01:17] <kwwii> and then it just quit
[01:17] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:17] <imbrandon> its becouse it knows you edited the configs with vi ;)
[01:17] <kwwii> lol
[01:17] <kwwii> no shit
[01:18] <imbrandon> mmmm music video's good , riaa bad
[01:18] <imbrandon> not that i would ever pirate anything
[01:18] <kwwii> funky, it starts again
[01:19] <imbrandon> you do have a backup of the important stuff incase something go's really wrong right ?
[01:19] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:19] <n8k99> i found mol to be just totally weird and idiosyncratic
[01:19] <kwwii> actually, yes
[01:20] <imbrandon> n8k99: it is but its great too
[01:20] <imbrandon> in the same sentance 
[01:20] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:21] <kwwii> hehe! it is back again
[01:21] <imbrandon> i've been using it a few weeks , beats rebooting for little stuff
[01:21] <n8k99> i gave up on it in dapper, could not get the web drives to work
[01:21] <kwwii> imbrandon: thanks so much for all the help
[01:21] <imbrandon> kwwii: no worries, thanks for the great artwork ( and the hints at akademy heheheh )
[01:21] <kwwii> hehe
[01:22] <kwwii> if possible, I will say something
[01:22] <imbrandon> n8k99: webdrives ?
[01:22] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:22] <n8k99> erm, drivers to tunnel to my wifi 
[01:23] <imbrandon> PS is the main thing i use osx for so vpn i never tried, although i did get networking to work 
[01:23] <n8k99> i would have only used mol to look at flash
[01:23] <imbrandon> and helped kwwii get his running ;)
[01:23] <imbrandon> n8k99: you just mean surfing the web? thats simple to setup
[01:23] <kwwii> erm, imbrandon, on the mounted osx there is a thing saying I should update driveres
[01:24] <kwwii> a mounted partition
[01:24] <imbrandon> kwwii: yea install that thing on your desktop
[01:24] <n8k99> that's the problem i kept running into
[01:24] <imbrandon> kwwii: after its installed unmount and trow it away , it wont come back
[01:24] <imbrandon> ( once you setup your networking in the system settings for en2 )
[01:24] <n8k99> i installed those drivers everytime i started mol
[01:25] <imbrandon> n8k99: did you ever setup the nic en2 in the system settings? after thats done it dosent try to mount that anymore
[01:26] <n8k99> yeah - i followed the wiki page pretty closely
[01:26] <imbrandon> heh the wiki is wrong for most of the stuff
[01:26] <n8k99> some of the prob is i had tiger
[01:26] <imbrandon> ( and dosent mention the nic setup )
[01:26] <imbrandon> yea you need the patched bootx for tiger ( thats what i run , and kwwii  )
[01:26] <kwwii> imbrandon: it seems to work find now...thanks for everything
[01:27] <kwwii> s/find/fine
[01:27] <n8k99> oh well, got no os x on this machine no more so no worries!
[01:27] <n8k99> my only problem now days is Bug #60333
[01:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60333 in koffice "koffice installation problem in edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60333
[01:28] <imbrandon> kwwii: no probs ;)
[01:28] <n8k99> hey does that do that everytime you say a bug number?
[01:28] <imbrandon> n8k99: yup and that will be fixed soonish
[01:28] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:28] <n8k99> fixed?
[01:29] <n8k99> i like that feature
[01:29] <imbrandon> no i meanthe bug fixed
[01:29] <imbrandon> not the bot ;)
[01:29] <n8k99> oh right
[01:29] <imbrandon> the bot works for alot of bug trackers
[01:29] <imbrandon> bug kde #553453
[01:30] <imbrandon> hrm whats a kde bug number ?
[01:30] <n8k99> um, dunno
[01:30] <imbrandon> bug kde #96867
[01:30] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 96867 in general "amarok -p doesn't work kdm crash, but amarok can play if you call him with amarok %U" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96867
[01:30] <n8k99> oh i see
[01:31] <jdong> oww
[01:31] <jdong> so that's what happens when I reverse the sense on a fork() loop.....
[01:31] <imbrandon> debian #387490
[01:31] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 387490 in apt-mirror "apt-mirror should check for download errors" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/387490
[01:31] <imbrandon> n8k99: ^^ etc etc etc
[01:31] <n8k99> gotcha
[01:32] <n8k99> imbrandon: so is there an easy^w^w^w^w way to get konqueror to use javascript on ppc?
[01:33] <imbrandon> install ibm java ? dunno
[01:33] <imbrandon> i hate javascript ;)
[01:33] <kwwii> so imbrandon, how do you mount your osx disk?
[01:33] <imbrandon> serouisly never tried
[01:33] <crimsun> (java is separate from javascript)
[01:33] <imbrandon> kwwii: from linux ?
[01:33] <jdong> java_script_ or java?
[01:33] <kwwii> imbrandon: yeah, well, I want to share the files
[01:34] <crimsun> if you need ppc java, I suggest the ibm jre/jdk
[01:34] <jdong> crimsun: what, not patient enought to wait for GCJ to load :)
[01:34] <imbrandon> ahh well you can only mount it read only from linux but "sudo mount /dev/hdaX /mount/point" should work as the kernel knows about HFS+ already
[01:34] <imbrandon> kwwii: ^^
[01:35] <n8k99> crimsun: thanks
[01:35] <imbrandon> n8k99: plf should have some debs if you trust them ( i personaly use them and they seem fine ) for imb java on ppc
[01:36] <imbrandon> ibm*
[01:36] <n8k99> plf?
[01:36] <kwwii> imbrandon: cool, never really tried
[01:36] <kwwii> :p
[01:36] <kwwii> time for bed here
[01:36] <imbrandon> penguin liberation front , repos with "questionable" licenced software like libdvdcss2 etc
[01:36] <jdong> n8k99: repo of patent/copyright restricted stuff for ubuntu
[01:36] <n8k99> oh right
[01:36] <kwwii> see you all in a couple of days...flying to Dublin tomorrow
[01:36] <imbrandon> kwwii: see ya
[01:36] <imbrandon> kwwii: take care bro
[01:37] <n8k99> kwwii:have fun stormin the castle
[01:37] <imbrandon> btw hyia crimsun ;)
[01:38] <imbrandon> anyhow dinner time for me , bbiab
[01:40] <kwwii> hehe, see you in a day or two
[02:09] <gnomefreak> i heard they are shutting down the plf repos :)
[02:11] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Any idea as to why ?
[02:12] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: something about the maintainer did want to deal with it any longer
[02:12] <gnomefreak> i heard this from a not so reliable source
[02:12] <imbrandon> its a team
[02:12] <imbrandon> not one person
[02:12] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Wow!  That really sucks.  I've used PLF for 4+ years as it's a big thing on Mandriva
[02:13] <gnomefreak> i told you she wasnt so reliable :)
[02:13] <Hawkwind> Hah
[02:13] <gnomefreak> shes more of a troll but shes trying
[02:13] <Hawkwind> The PLF Ubuntu project is shutting down, due to lack of time of its maintainers. New volonteers are welcome.
[02:13] <Hawkwind> Right on their home page
[02:14] <Hawkwind> http://plf.zarb.org/
[02:14] <imbrandon> there are a few maintainers left on https://launchpad.net/people/plf-ubuntu-contributors
[02:14] <gnomefreak> it was something like that
[02:14] <imbrandon> ok time for me to watch some tv, later yall
[02:15] <Hawkwind> I hope someone or a few people decide to help out and keep it going.  PLF is a great source
[02:15] <n8k99> later
[02:15] <gnomefreak> later imbrandon 
[02:15] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: go for it :)
[02:15] <Hawkwind> Hah.  I wish I had the time but I don't unfortunately
[02:16] <gnomefreak> i keep trying to learn packaging but i always end up being pulled in another direction
[02:17] <jdong> not much packaging skill is needed for maintaining PLF, really
[02:17] <jdong> warty-backports and hoary-backports used to encompass PLF-style packages
[02:17] <jdong> it's mostly "backporting" from debian-marillat
[02:18] <gnomefreak> jdong: you make it sound too easy
[02:19] <jdong> gnomefreak: apt-get source FOO
[02:19] <jdong> dpkg-buildpackage :)
[02:19] <jdong> wow
[02:19] <gnomefreak> no changing of files?
[02:19] <jdong> gnomefreak: basically no
[02:19] <n8k99> i got the kid to sleep now i need to do my algebra, might be back later
[02:19] <jdong> changelog version number bump, if you so incline
[02:20] <jdong> in fact, the only thing that "needs" recompiling is libdvdcss*
[02:20] <gnomefreak> is it still in plf?
[02:20] <jdong> w32codecs actually you can just copy the deb :)
[02:20] <jdong> gnomefreak: yes
[02:20] <jdong> plf is virtually a backports-style recompile of debian-marillat packages
[02:20] <jdong> at least the most useful part of PLF is
[02:21] <gnomefreak> so its mostly download source upload source?
[02:21] <jdong> yeah
[02:21] <jdong> and personally, gnomefreak, I would not worry about PLF at all
[02:21] <gnomefreak> oh hell even i can do that
[02:21] <jdong> MEPIS is shipping with PLF out of the box
[02:21] <jdong> MEPIS will do something about it before we have to suffer
[02:21] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:21] <jdong> because without PLF, MEPIS is nothing over Kubuntu
[02:23] <gnomefreak> we need an sutomatic file generater for packaging :( i dont mind so much changing the depends but its the other file that never works for me
[02:23] <gnomefreak> s/sutomatic/automatic
[02:26] <jdong> unofficial backports was at once threatened with legal action, due to libdvdcss2 and sun-java
[02:26] <gnomefreak> good point
[02:26] <jdong> as I said, the effort level for producing the packages is not that high
[02:27] <jdong> it's finding a host for it
[02:27] <jdong> and accepting responsibility for providing the packages
[02:34] <gnomefreak> who is this libarts1-audiofile?
[02:58] <bzbb> I can't install kde in edgy, because, libarts1-audiofile: Depends: kdemultimedia-dev (< 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu2) but 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu5 is to be installed
[03:12] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:13] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:13] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[05:08] <Jucato> good afternoon Hobbsee!
[05:10] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato!
[05:11] <Jucato> ugh... /me is away...
[05:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: running away from me, are you?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:59] <bddebian> Tonio_: You awake? :-)
[06:00] <Tonio_> bddebian: unfortunately yes.... 6 AM in france........
[06:01] <bddebian> Eeks :-(
[06:01] <Tonio_> but I'll go in a few minutes, since I have to wake up at 9 :'(
[06:01] <bddebian> Tonio_: Do you happen to know how far yakuake in Debian is from ours?
[06:01] <Jucato> oooh...
[06:01] <Tonio_> bddebian: nope
[06:01] <bddebian> Tonio_: OK, thx
[06:01] <Tonio_> bddebian: is there a big difference ?
[06:01] <Jucato> Tonio_: you won't be going to the aKademy?
[06:02] <Tonio_> Jucato: nope, I'm not a coder :)
[06:02] <Jucato> heh :)
[06:02] <Tonio_> I don't have anything to do with akademy
[06:02] <bddebian> Doesn't appear to be but we have had a long string of working outside of the Debian package :-)
[06:02] <Tonio_> bddebian: yes, the point is I did the ubuntu package before debian had one
[06:03] <Tonio_> they did their own, instead of porting mine
[06:03] <Tonio_> bddebian: I simply continued to maintain my package....
[06:03] <bddebian> Ah, hmm
[06:03] <Jucato> ooh.. Debian-Ubuntu again....
[06:03] <bddebian> Tonio_: Do you intend to keep doing so?
[06:03] <Tonio_> bddebian: why not ? :)
[06:03] <bddebian> Tonio_: OK, it's just on the merges list ;-)
[06:03] <Tonio_> is it ?
[06:04] <bddebian> Yep :-)
[06:04] <Tonio_> bddebian: I don't understand, we have the latest version packaged....
[06:05] <Tonio_> bddebian: ah.....; maybe because my version is -0ubuntu1 and debian is -1
[06:05] <Tonio_> the debian package is supposed to be more recent.....
[06:06] <Tonio_> bddebian: bah..... do what you want, but that'll be a waste of time since yakuake looks like unmaintained now
[06:06] <Tonio_> bddebian: there is not any reason to merge it appart from reducing the merging list of one line :)
[06:06] <bddebian> Nice :-)
[06:07] <Tonio_> bddebian: ho, just fyi, kdeprint should work now :)
[06:07] <Tonio_> I fixed it toonight
[06:07] <bddebian> Nice
[06:08] <Tonio_> I really hope one day debian packagers will look at ubuntu before creating their own packages......
[06:09] <Tonio_> such a waste of time is unacceptable.....
[06:11] <Tonio_> good night bddebian, Jucato
[06:11] <bddebian> Gnight Tonio_
[06:11] <bddebian> Thx
[06:11] <Jucato> night
[07:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee: have you upgraded lately?
[07:15] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yep
[07:16] <Jucato> any problem with foomatic-db?
[07:16] <Hobbsee> dunno
[07:16] <Hobbsee> you mean, installing problem or running problem?
[07:16] <Jucato> upgrading problem
[07:16] <Jucato> adept notifier is saying that foomatic is available for upgrade, but I can't upgrade it because it says it will break something
[07:16] <Hobbsee> it's adding new packages
[07:16] <Hobbsee> you'll have to get adept to show you what it wants to do
[07:17] <Jucato> ah
[07:17] <Jucato> pff...
[07:19] <Jucato> hm... I click on "Full Upgrade" but it Request Upgrade for foomatic-db. It's marked upgradeable though... apt-get isn't being descriptive either...
[07:20] <Hobbsee|Remote> pastebin what apt-get says
[07:20] <Jucato> ok
[07:20] <Jucato> oh, "The following packages have been kept back: foomatic-db"
[07:20] <Jucato> that's all there is
[07:20] <Jucato> for both upgrade and dist-upgrade
[07:21] <Jucato> hm.. could it be possible because I have universe and multiverse disabled?
[07:21] <Hobbsee|Remote> unlikely, but possible
[07:21] <Hobbsee|Remote> why have them disabled?
[07:22] <Jucato> new install of Edgy... 
[07:22] <Jucato> have done nothing but update it every day
[07:25] <Jucato_> heh lucky guess...
[07:27] <Jucato_> Hobbsee|Remote: linuxprinting.org-ppds && libgnutls12 <---- culprit packages. they're in universe
[07:27] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[07:28] <Jucato_> is that normal? a main package requires universe packages in order to upgrade?
[07:28] <Hobbsee> no
[07:29] <Hobbsee> but i believe they know about it, and are working on it
[07:29] <Jucato_> ok. I just didn't hear about it. maybe they talked about it while we were sleeping :P
[07:30] <Hobbsee> it was in #ubuntu-devel
[07:30] <Jucato_> ah no wonder :)
[07:34] <Jucato_> wb Hobbsee! 
[07:35] <Jucato_> omg! there's two of you?!
[07:35] <bzbb> hmm, I see a new fglrx 
[07:35] <bzbb> I wonder if it will work
[07:36] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:36] <Hobbsee> there has been for a while
[07:36] <bzbb> it didn't download last time I updated, at around 10 pm est
[08:43] <insanekane> Hobbsee: any idea re PyQt4 ?
[08:43] <Hobbsee> insanekane: nope
[08:43] <Hobbsee> i got  my shift times though
[08:43] <insanekane> :)
[08:44] <insanekane> Hobbsee, no more fights with the boss eh ?
[08:44] <Hobbsee> hah
[08:44] <Hobbsee> no, fortunately
[08:44] <Jucato> heh
[08:44] <Hobbsee> she was in a nice mood today
[08:45] <insanekane> :)
[08:45] <insanekane> Hobbsee, i dont get it ... why is it that you work in a grocery supermarket ?
[08:45] <Hobbsee> insanekane: basically, because i worked there while i was still at school
[08:45] <insanekane> Hobbsee, i mean you are pretty good at software ... arent there any software jobs ?
[08:45] <Hobbsee> and i'm at uni at the moment, during the day
[08:46] <Hobbsee> there are - i'm only learning c++ at the moment though
[08:46] <insanekane> Hobbsee, hmm
[08:46] <Jucato> you should get hired by Canonical :)
[08:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh, i wish :P  *g*
[08:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: to do what, is the interesting question
[08:46] <insanekane> Hobbsee, why not ?
[08:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: depends on the situation :P
[08:47] <insanekane> Hobbsee, to do what you are already doing for Kubuntu
[08:47] <Jucato> to do what you do best? managing :P
[08:47] <Jucato> get hired to be Jono's assistant for Kubuntu :P
[08:47] <insanekane> Jono ?
[08:47] <Hobbsee> insanekane: true.  i dont actually do that much.  a lot of universe stuff, some stuff in conjunction with jono, and to link the kubuntu stuff with the forums, is my latest mission
[08:47] <insanekane> ah Riddell
[08:47] <Jucato> jono bacon
[08:48] <Hobbsee> insanekane: jono bacon == community manager
[08:48] <insanekane> oh
[08:48] <Hobbsee> or whatever the title is
[08:48] <insanekane> i dont know jono bacon
[08:48] <Jucato> general community manager I think...
[08:48] <Jucato> or is he UCM too?
[08:48] <insanekane> Hobbsee, universe stuff as in packaging right ?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> insanekane: yeah, and fixing, and merging
[08:48] <Hobbsee> not really original packaging
[08:48] <Jucato> yeah she's a MOTU, too
[08:50] <Hobbsee> insanekane: ideally, i'd be organising the kubuntu stuff, working with the various community people, figuring how we can integrate them better, working on the bug lists again - including getting lists of "must fix bugs" and leaving them to people like tonio_ to fix (as i dont have the coding knowledge to fix most of them)
[08:51] <Jucato> "ideally"?
[08:51] <Jucato> isn't that what you're doing already? :P
[08:51] <Hobbsee> well, yeah
[08:51] <insanekane> Hobbsee, and how much would that cost, ideally ?
[08:51] <Hobbsee> okay, the ideally section is getting paid to do it :P
[08:51] <Hobbsee> dunno
[08:51] <Jucato> "figuring how we can integrate them better..." the Borg Queen
[08:51] <insanekane> Hobbsee, scratch that ... wrong question :)
[08:52] <Hobbsee> yeah, i have ~24 hours to write that email
[08:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[08:52] <Hobbsee> i woudlnt mind helping out with some of the MOTU stuff too, i dont know.  *shrugs*
[08:52] <Hobbsee> my trouble now is that i just run out of time
[08:53] <insanekane> Hobbsee, because of your job ?
[08:53] <Hobbsee> insanekane: and uni, yes.
[10:42] <kwwii> moin
[10:42] <Jucato> hi kwwii!
[10:42] <kwwii> so yesterday, after setting up my computer and getting everything working some update totally b0rked everything!
[10:42] <Jucato> O_O
[10:42] <kwwii> my X is now set to 640x480
[10:42] <Jucato> ouch...
[10:43] <kwwii> do *NOT* touch the administrator mode in dapper system settings
[10:43] <kwwii> total shit
[10:43] <kwwii> I am soooo pissed off
[10:43] <kwwii> no network, no nothing
[10:43] <Jucato> Dapper?
[10:43] <kwwii> yepp
[10:43] <Jucato> aw...
[10:43] <Jucato> that shouldn't happen on a LTS release... :(
[10:45] <Jucato> kwwii: you're not going to aKademy?
[10:45] <kwwii> Jucato: 
[10:45] <kwwii> yes
[10:45] <kwwii> I am leaving in a bit
[10:45] <kwwii> but now my computer is fscked
[10:45] <Hobbsee> how the heck did that happen?
[10:46] <Hobbsee> kwwii: does it still happen if you mv .kde/ out of hte way?
[10:47] <kwwii> Hobbsee: it wrote over my xorg.conf
[10:47] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:49] <kwwii> how does one reconfigure X?
[10:49] <Hobbsee> !xcfg
[10:49] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:49] <kwwii> I know I will have to edit it per hand to really get the full resolution but 640x480 sucks
[10:50] <kwwii> hehe, screw that howto
[10:50] <kwwii> way too complicatied
[10:50] <kwwii> find file per google, overwrite file, done
[10:51] <Hobbsee> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:51] <Hobbsee> that one
[11:06] <fdoving> !xconf
[11:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xconf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:06] <fdoving> !xconfig
[11:06] <ubotu> xconfig is To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[11:50] <kwwii> yippee
[11:50] <kwwii> an hour later (and half a pack of cigarettes) and it all works again
[11:51] <kwwii> and something nasty happened to the /etc/network/interfaces file
[11:52] <kwwii> oh well, now I'll leave for Dublin
[11:52] <kwwii> bye all
[11:52] <fdoving> have a nice trip.
[11:52] <kwwii> fdoving: thanks
[11:54] <Jucato> hi Riddell! how's everything there?
[12:00] <Riddell> busy busy
[12:00] <Riddell> hmm, wonder where kwwii is
 oh well, now I'll leave for Dublin <--- just about 10 mins ago
[12:01] <Riddell> ah, missed that
[12:30] <seaLne> he said he wouldn't get in till ~5
[12:37] <hunger> join #akademy
[12:38] <hunger> Sorry:-)
[12:47] <seaLne> what is the program for pm called? after having to many before i don't have an applet now and can't see it in the menus?
[12:54] <Tonio_> yo
[12:58] <abattoir> seaLne: guidance-power-manager ?
[12:59] <abattoir> hi Tonio_ :)
[12:59] <Tonio_> hey abattoir ;)
[01:00] <fdoving> seaLne: is this edgy? i had a problem with guidance-power-manager not appearing at login. it's a hal problem actually. system.formfactor isn't set to 'laptop' as it should.
[01:01] <Riddell> seaLne: it's just been moved to a new package, you will need to install it
[01:03] <danimo> moin Hobbsee
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hey danimo 
[01:04] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[01:04] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[01:05] <seaLne> so what is the new package called?
[01:05] <seaLne> Jucato: hopefully next year there will be
[01:05] <Jucato> seaLne: really? that would be so kool! :)
[01:05] <seaLne> was it 2 years ago that there were?
[01:06] <Riddell> seaLne: guidance-power-manager :)
[01:06] <Riddell> actually, it's not
[01:06] <Riddell> kde-guidance-powermanager
[01:06] <Jucato> heh. I wouldn't know. I wasn't around yet that time :)
[01:06] <Hobbsee> me neither :P
[01:07] <seaLne> i'll need to wait about 2hrs for the dist-upgrade to finish :(
[01:07] <danimo> Hobbsee: yeah, jabber.org being the most unreliable jabber plattform is a shame
[01:07] <Hobbsee> danimo: heh, yeah
[01:07] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yay! so you're going after all :P
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'm thinking about it :P
[01:07] <Riddell> seaLne: we need to grab the fluendo dude at our front left about streaming next year
[01:07] <Jucato> lol think faster if your request needs to be in in 2 days :P
[01:07] <seaLne> which one?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: true that
[01:08] <danimo> Riddell: can't be too hard can it?
[01:08] <Riddell> sitting at the front left, blondish hair
[01:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: which one?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the one breaking my X from the -8,-9 kernels.  dri's dying.
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe, smart.
[01:10] <Jucato> heh :)
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: actually, the real fun part is that once X crashes, you cant actually get back to a console at all
[01:11] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/61979
[01:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61979 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "[Regression]  2.6.17-8-generic makes X crash if DRI is enabled in xorg.conf" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[01:11] <Hobbsee> is the one
[01:12] <Jucato> grr... internet's fscking up again... brb...
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi, kdeprint works !
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just saw that /media/cdrom0 is now hidden... I don't understand that choice....
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: shoudn't we remove the link "cdrom" instead of cdrom0 and cdrom1 ?
[01:21] <Tonio_> now we miss the dynamic appearance of the content in media, and also the nice icon, instead we get a folder....
[01:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: yay!
[01:21] <marseillai> Tonio_: could you give me the link for daily snapshot of edgy?
[01:21] <Riddell> marseillai: ISOs?
[01:21] <marseillai> yep
[01:21] <Riddell> marseillai: see KubuntuFiles for most such lins
[01:22] <Riddell> links
[01:22] <Riddell> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[01:23] <marseillai> thks Riddell 
[01:23] <marseillai> how is dublin? not too cold ?
[01:23] <Riddell> toasty hot in the lecture theatres
[01:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: so are the .hidden entries correct? cause that really surprises me....
[01:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't know, we need to ask sime
[01:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning kdeprint, the issue was the config files in kds... it looks like current cups config is not fair with http connections, so I changed kds to reuse socket.
[01:25] <Tonio_> it works
[01:25] <Tonio_> but edgy users will have to remove ~
[01:25] <Riddell> no icons for devices in /media sucks
[01:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, I agree
[01:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't see the need in hidding cdrom0 or cdrom1
[01:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: and more than this, if you have 2 drives, you will only see one in /media...
[01:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: looks like you're right
[01:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll ask sime
[01:27] <Tonio_> and do the required changes
[01:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: would be good to have that uploaded this weekend so definately in before beta
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, I'm gonna prepare kds package and ask sime as soon as he is available...
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I already uploaded fixes for kdeprint for beta
[01:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: the only issue is that people will have to remove ~/.kde/share/config/kdeprintrc to get it to work correctly
[01:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: the package is ready, I can upload it.
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: we have timle to switch back if we have any issue or sime disagrees...
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: any opinion ?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: want to reply to bug 62007?
[02:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62007 in kubuntu-default-settings "Root-Directories disappeared from Konqueror" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62007
[02:19] <Hobbsee> er, maybe sime
[02:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I agree with him
[02:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: if you want minimal system view, konq is able to only disoplay your profile
[02:26] <Tonio_> that's all anyone needs
[02:26] <Tonio_> the result is that the tree view and the profile view are duplicates
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: honnestly, I really, really disagree with this too
[02:28] <Tonio_> to me hidding the system tree will not help people learning how is the tree structured...
[02:28] <Tonio_> do we want our users to be idiots ? don't think so
[02:32] <Tonio_> hum, just discussed with my girlfriend, and on the other way, the people that need to go in the other directories, are acknowledged enough to type the path in the address bar...
[02:32] <Tonio_> looks like it makes sense for her
[02:33] <imbrandon> i'll reply to it, yes tonio it actualy makes alot of sense to new users
[02:33] <imbrandon> it just "suprises" old ones, but dosent hinder them in any way
[02:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hum, it makes things easier to start with, but more complicated to learn
[02:33] <Tm_T> yes
[02:33] <imbrandon> howso ?
[02:34] <Tm_T> people tend to learn only what they have to
[02:34] <imbrandon> if we are pushin the easy gui way there is no need to learn it
[02:34] <Tm_T> imbrandon: that's good point too
[02:34] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hum......; true
[02:34] <carsten> toma: May I ask you to update Kile from 0.9.1 to 0.9.2 in Edgy eft?
[02:34] <Tm_T> I'd say "do it" :)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> !info kile edgy
[02:34] <ubotu> kile: KDE Integrated LaTeX Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.9.1-1 (edgy), package size 1807 kB, installed size 6876 kB
[02:34] <imbrandon> think about OSX , ok not in the sense that "if apple does it it must be good" but think about it like this ....
[02:34] <Tonio_> and I agree that people that need to change those files are ready for the "type in the address bar"
[02:35] <Hobbsee> and in debian, it seems
[02:35] <Tonio_> it is not that stupid indeed
[02:35] <Tm_T> but also if we have some option to diasble that "hiding" that would ease powerusers
[02:35] <imbrandon> osx is a *nix os and all the non needed directorys are hidden, i have NEVER even as an experinced user neded to use them
[02:35] <imbrandon> outside the gui
[02:35] <imbrandon> Tm_T: sure its very easy
[02:35] <imbrandon> Tm_T: just chose "show hidden files" in konqui
[02:35] <imbrandon> already there
[02:36] <Hobbsee> that's different
[02:36] <carsten> Hobbsee: of course 1.9.2 :-) There is even a bug for this 61611
[02:36] <toma> carsten: i'm not in packaging mode, maybe Hobbsee 
[02:36] <Tm_T> that shows .files
[02:36] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes but how can you get them back in the tree ?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> a lot of people will still want easy selectable access to / etc, but not want to show hidden files
[02:36] <Tonio_> I didn't find a way to do it :)
[02:37] <Hobbsee> toma: were you going to push it to debian first, then sync it?
[02:37] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: like me most of the time
[02:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon: but yes, if you can simply display hidden folders, then it is okay
[02:37] <toma> Hobbsee: i dont know the state in debian, maybe fabo knows
[02:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe, I must say that it changes my opinion, it is a nice indea in fact ;)
[02:37] <Hobbsee> toma: fair enough
[02:37] <carsten> Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kile/+bug/61611/
[02:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61611 in kile "Please sync kile" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  
[02:38] <Hobbsee> ahh...
[02:39] <imbrandon> Tonio_ , Tm_T , sure , just "display hidden files" look at http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss104.png
[02:39] <Tm_T> imbrandon: but, as said, that's bit ugly
[02:39] <imbrandon> now the tree thing is probably a bug and needs to be brought to simes attn , but over all its there, its just not what people are used to , hey this is "edgy" ;)
[02:39] <Tm_T> =)
[02:40] <imbrandon> anyhow i'm replying to it now
[02:40] <imbrandon> and rejecting it
[02:41] <Tm_T> hiding system dirs is ok, just should make sure that users know they still can access it all easily
[02:41] <Hobbsee> carsten: that will be waiting on keybuk/kamion
[02:41] <carsten> Hobbsee: what does that mean in english?
[02:42] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes, just that it doesn't work in the tree
[02:42] <Hobbsee> carsten: :)  keybuk and kamion are people.   that sync will be waiting on them to do it, not just any uploader
[02:42] <imbrandon> Tonio_: yea i said the treee thing is probably a bug
[02:42] <imbrandon> but its still possible 
[02:42] <carsten> Hobbsee: ah :)
[02:42] <Tonio_> imbrandon: don't think so, I think it always work like that...
[02:43] <Tm_T> ?
[02:43] <Tonio_> I don't think the tree is capable to display hidden folders
[02:43] <Tm_T> yes, it "never" shows them
[02:43] <carsten> Hobbsee: Kile is that last package which doesn't have the needed version for me :-) Other than that Edgy is perfect now
[02:43] <Hobbsee> hmmm...perfect.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:43] <Hobbsee> it should get done, i expect
[02:44] <Tm_T> Tonio_: imbrandon: I can't remember _ever_ seen hidden folders in treeview so it must be feature ;)
[02:45] <imbrandon> Tm_T: most likely ;)
[02:47] <imbrandon> Tonio_: and concerning the cdrom0 and cdrom1, that was my mistake not simes ( i added that )
[02:47] <imbrandon> but you are right it should have been changed
[02:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: upload it
[02:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: what do you disagree with?
[02:48] <Tonio_> Riddell, imbrandon: already uploaded
[02:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: with the "hide system folder" option
[02:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I discussed with my girlfriend, who is my mentor for "noobs opinion"
[02:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: finally it looks like a very good idea
[02:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't have the good approach for this...
[02:51] <imbrandon> heya Riddell , hows dublin ;)
[02:51] <Riddell> wet
[02:52] <Riddell> but otherwise going great
[02:52] <imbrandon> heh yea i heard its supose to rain all 9 days
[02:52] <Jucato> ooh...
[02:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't follow.  you don't like hiding the folders in / ?
[02:53] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea that was the disscussion, becouse someone files a bug saying they dont like it, but i replyed and Tonio_ asked his GF
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hah.  wet.
[02:54] <imbrandon> plus i dont think most realized you can "show hidden files" ( for the power users ) but even so most of the power user stuff is cli, but its still there
[02:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't like, but After discussing with a real n00b, and because of her arguments, I must say it is a very good idea :)
[02:54] <imbrandon> if needed
[02:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I simply didn't understood the idea behind it
[02:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: so forget this, I LIKE ;)
[02:54] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:54] <Jucato> another one won over to the dark side :P
[02:55] <imbrandon> Riddell: are you gonna show it off a bit in dublin and get some opinions ? is el there ( or going to be ) ?
[02:55] <Jucato> el's going to give a talk
[02:55] <imbrandon> cool
[02:55] <Riddell> imbrandon: she is yes, and I'll show people
[02:55] <imbrandon> sweet ;)
[02:56] <imbrandon> Riddell: did i tell you today that you rock man ;)
[02:56] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:56] <Jucato> you both rock :P
[02:57] <Riddell> imbrandon: no, don't think you did
[02:57] <imbrandon> you rock ;)
[02:57] <Riddell> yay!
[02:57] <imbrandon> heh
[02:57] <imbrandon> ok time for a hsower and coffee to get this sleep outa my eyes , bbiab
[02:57] <Riddell> hmm, clicking on /media/cdrom0 doesn't mount it
[02:58] <imbrandon> no it only mounts when you click /media/cdrom it AUTOMOUNTS to /media/cdromX when something is incerted, i think that logic needs to be looked at
[02:58] <imbrandon> we should really only have 1 not 3 imho
[02:59] <Riddell> clicking /media/cdrom doesn't mount either
[02:59] <imbrandon> hrm 
[02:59] <imbrandon> right click ? ( although click /should/ do it )
[03:00] <Riddell> only cdrom0 has mount in the right click menu
[03:01] <imbrandon> ahhh funky , yea we need to fix that asap
[03:02] <imbrandon> ok, lemme grab a shower and i'll see if i can dig that logic up
[03:02] <imbrandon> or rouse sime
[03:06] <seaLne> did gpm previously tell you tell you that battery 2 isn't present?
[04:02] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:02] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[04:02] <Jucato> hi el!!
[04:02] <bddebian> Hello Jucato
[04:02] <el> hey Jucato :)
[04:02] <Jucato> how did your talk go, el?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> hey all
[04:03] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:03] <Riddell> Jucato: el's talk was to rocking
[04:04] <Jucato> nice :)
[04:04] <Jucato> hope they have plans to publish the papers/talks online
[04:04] <Riddell> I have notes
[04:04] <Riddell> videos will come
[04:04] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:05] <Jucato> super sweet!!
[04:06] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[04:06] <Jucato> btw, it's so nice that Kubuntu is a gold sponsor. 
[04:16] <Jucato> imbrandon: are you there?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you around?
[04:18] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[04:18] <Jucato> Hobbsee: are you there? :P
[04:18] <Hobbsee> heya :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: nope
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's my crazy twin
[04:18] <Jucato> ah ok... though I saw you...
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if people are sponsored to a developer conference once, do they tend to get sponsored again?
[04:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no
[04:19] <Jucato> heh...
[04:19] <Riddell> not for a while anyway
[04:19] <Hobbsee> i thought that might be the case
[04:19] <Jucato> that answer was quick and direct :P
[04:19] <Hobbsee> point
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, i'm not considering sponsorship for UDS mountainview then :P
[04:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why not?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: because i'd prefer to get to know how this all works a bit better before poking major things into changing.  which i'd like to do, at some point
[04:22] <Jucato> jdong!
[04:22] <imbrandon> Jucato: pong
[04:22] <imbrandon> heya el 
[04:22] <Hobbsee> hey jdong 
[04:23] <Jucato> imbrandon: you busy? can I PM you a question? (about /boot)
[04:23] <jdong> anyone have edgy and a usb stick handy?
[04:23] <jdong> for reproducing what Sime claims to be fixed :)
[04:23] <jdong> hey Hobbsee
[04:23] <imbrandon> Jucato: sure, dunno if i'll know , but ask away
[04:23] <jdong> ah, never mind... master Sime said it's be fixed in the /next/ update :)
[04:24] <imbrandon> only in the morning !?!
[04:24] <imbrandon> heh
[04:24] <jdong> wait, never mind, those were marked 9/18/06
[04:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ok, next time then :)
[04:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'd like to.  i'm workign on the user based stuff at the moment, as opposed to the development side.  there has to be a more effective way of using our userbase
[04:25] <jdong> Riddell: did you do anything to kde that would've caused bug 61946?
[04:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "umount progress dialog missing in Edgy" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61946
[04:26] <jdong> Riddell: Sime doesn't think his KubuntuKDEMedia patches would've caused it
[04:26] <Jucato> using the userbase :P
[04:26] <imbrandon> jdong: iirc that was tested in dapper also and its present
[04:26] <imbrandon> shoudent have nothing to do with simes patches
[04:26] <jdong> imbrandon: by "also present", you mean the bug?
[04:26] <imbrandon> yes
[04:26] <jdong> imbrandon: what kind of dapper?
[04:26] <jdong> kde-3.5.4 dapper?
[04:27] <jdong> I know stock dapper worked perfectly
[04:27] <imbrandon> most likely as that would be the testing equiv
[04:27] <jdong> k, so it might be a kde 3.5.4 regression then
[04:27] <imbrandon> jdong: its good to test those things before filing the bug is you have the means 
[04:28] <jdong> imbrandon: at the time I didn't have the means
[04:28] <jdong> imbrandon: I would've tested it myself the next time I had a dapper kubuntu box handy
[04:28] <jdong> and I would've closed the bug report myself if it was me being stupid
[04:28] <jdong> imbrandon: but kde's fault or someone else's, it's still a SERIOUS bug and should be resolved before Edgy relese
[04:29] <jdong> there's pretty awful data loss potential here
[04:29] <jdong> the equivalent GNOME bug during Hoary was marked release-critical, and I don't think we should treat it any differently
[04:29] <imbrandon> jdong: yup yup, and this was all gone over yeaterday 
[04:29] <jdong> imbrandon: so stop yelling at me for filing a bug report on a legitimate bug :)
[04:29] <imbrandon> yesterday*
[04:30] <imbrandon> i wasent yelling at anyone, i was asking you questions to narrow it down ;)
[04:30] <imbrandon> silly , dont get so defensive, and impatient ;)
[04:31] <Jucato> "Conformed by Tonio_ on #kubuntu-devel" heh :P
[04:31] <imbrandon> i dident say it wasent important, mostly i was telling you it was tested yesterday by tonio and someone else that its not a sime issue
[04:31] <imbrandon> exactly , so its being worked on bro, grab a ice tea, and chill, your way to exciteable ;)
[04:32] <imbrandon> it is important, but its important we go about it correctly to as to not waste resources
[04:32] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:32] <Jucato> or grab a mt.dew. it works wonders :)
[04:33] <jdong> well, next time can we keep the bug report up-to-date when discoveries like this are made?
[04:33] <imbrandon> jdong: see what i'm saying ? sorry if it came accross diffrently, irc isnt the best medium for communications at time
[04:33] <Riddell> jdong: no idea
[04:33] <imbrandon> +s
[04:33] <jdong> imbrandon: I know what you're saying, I misunderstood your original criticism towards my actions
[04:34] <imbrandon> okies all worked out , now back to my cdrom thingie
[04:35] <imbrandon> Riddell: are the talks taped or digitized or anything ?
[04:35] <imbrandon> ( at akademy )
[04:36] <Jucato> videos videos :)
[04:37] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes, videoed
[04:37] <imbrandon> sweet, avail now , or at a later day?
[04:40] <Riddell> imbrandon: leater
[04:40] <Riddell> later
[05:17] <seaLne> they are on tape so would need to be transfered
[05:18] <Jucato> yay
[05:21] <Hobbsee> her assignment
[05:21] <Hobbsee> oh strike....lol
[05:22] <Jucato> oooh.... you're still here :P
[05:22] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:23] <Jucato> I was supposed to take the weekend off, but couldn't stay away... :(
[05:23] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:23] <Hobbsee> yeah, right
[05:23] <Hobbsee> what are weekends?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> it feels like monday, anyway
[05:23] <Jucato> they are those days on the calendar that fall on both sides...
[05:35] <nixternal> hmm..reboot doesn't reboot...it goes to a black screen, and shuts off the monitor, and thats it..and kdm will not start on a reboot, i have to alt+f1, and then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[06:04] <danimo> imbrandon: pingP=
[06:06] <imbrandon> danimo: pong
[06:08] <danimo> imbrandon: unping :)
[06:08] <imbrandon> hehe okies
[07:01] <nixternal> rebooting issue, what do i file the bug against?
[07:02] <fdoving> kernel? upstart? 
[07:02] <nixternal> i don't think it is upstart, as it is only happening on one machine..and it is a kubuntu machine
[07:02] <nixternal> it could be though
[07:03] <nixternal> if it was kernel...it has been occuring since -8 that i know of..i have no clue what upgrade broke it either
[07:03] <fdoving> hmm.
[07:03] <fdoving> can you get something usefull out of some logs? 
[07:03] <nixternal> i got to stop doing blind upgrades during testing
[07:03] <nixternal> nothing log wise on it
[07:04] <nixternal> the reboot starts, goes to a blank screen and thats it..i have to hard reboot
[07:04] <nixternal> now..if i type in term 'sudo reboot'
[07:04] <nixternal> it works fine
[07:04] <nixternal> but if i do kmenu -> log out -> reboot, it doesn't
[07:04] <fdoving> ah.
[07:04] <nixternal> ya that might have helped ;)
[07:05] <fdoving> it tells us that rebooting actually works. :)
[07:05] <fdoving> just not the way kdm does it.
[07:05] <nixternal> ya, it isn't broke
[07:05] <nixternal> kdm however is broke
[07:06] <nixternal> because on a boot up, kdm doesn't start x automatically
[07:06] <nixternal> i ahve to press alt f1, login, and then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[07:07] <Tonio_> Riddell concerning media/cdrom0 not mounting, that's a known issue Sime is already aware.
[07:07] <nixternal> i ran across that wednesday night Tonio_ trying to burn a music cd
[07:07] <Tonio_> Riddell in fact it mounts since you can see the datas in media:/, but the "redirection" seems to fail somehow. Sime's working on it
[07:08] <fdoving> nixternal: no smart logs saying anything about why kdm doesn't start? 
[07:08] <nixternal> well, i created the bug and uploaded the log a few minutes ago
[07:08] <nixternal> bug 62050
[07:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62050 in kdebase "[Kubuntu Edgy]  KDM & X Do Not Start Automatically" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62050
[07:08] <fdoving> nixternal: does it try to start? and fail, or isn't the init-script executed at all? 
[07:09] <fdoving> i'll have a look.
[07:09] <nixternal> roger that ;)
[07:09] <Tonio_> imbrandon: just concerning the unmount popup missing on usb keys, we cannot be sure that's not due to sime's patches...
[07:09] <Tonio_> imbrandon: just that it also fails on media:/
[07:09] <nixternal> oh..i gotta start getting ready for a wedding...im not looking forward to giving my speech
[07:09] <fdoving> just have to go get my fresh 'blue java' coffee.
[07:09] <Tonio_> but even media:/ is patches......
[07:09] <Tonio_> imbrandon: what I will do to confirm is building kdelibs and kdebase without sime's patches...
[07:10] <Tonio_> imbrandon: we have several issues that we need to know due or not to sime's patches
[07:10] <Tonio_> nixternal: I was not trying to burn (that works), but trying to rip a cd :)
[07:10] <Tonio_> nixternal: and I couldn't see the cdrom content
[07:10] <nixternal> ya, that is what i meant..sorry ;)
[07:11] <nixternal> i had the icon on the desktop, and when i clicked it, it was blank
[07:11] <nixternal> and then i did eject, and the icon stayed
[07:11] <nixternal> it never went away
[07:11] <Tonio_> nixternal: yes I know
[07:12] <Tonio_> nixternal:  but this issue is sime's priority n1 and we have a month before release, so it'll be fixed, no doubt on that
[07:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool
[07:12] <nixternal> oh ya, i am definitely not worried ;)
[07:13] <Tonio_> Riddell that's the only confirmed issue with sime's patches, but I agree it is big issue hehe :)
[07:13] <Tonio_> is people can confirm me kdeprint works, it would be nice. please remove kdeprintrc and kdeprint folder in your profile and restart kde before testing.
[07:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: yep, it's looking very promising apart from that
[07:15] <Tonio_> Riddell I absolutly agree, and that's resolve about 2000 launchpad bugs concerning gtk apps issues with kios :)
[07:16] <Tonio_> Riddell, hard time closing the bugs I assume :)
[08:45] <fdoving> any chance we can get pppoeconf on the livecd for edgy? 
[08:45] <fdoving> kinda nice to have for those of us with pppoe-dsl.
[08:46] <yuriy> sebas: are big notifications when the power is plugged in and unplugged really necessary?
[08:47] <yuriy> sebas: and is/will there be a place to turn them off?
[09:31] <sebas> yuriy: Think so, the code ;-)
[09:36] <yuriy> sebas: how about in the powermanager dialog or in system settings>notifications
[09:39] <yuriy> sebas: though IMO a changing icon should be enough
[09:40] <sebas> We're not using the notification framework, and I'd rather not pollute the UI
[09:40] <sebas> But I can ask usability-\el what she thinks, because I'm usually too lame to decide that kind of stuff myself
[09:40] <yuriy> oh, i didn't realize it wasn't using the notification framework
[09:41] <sebas> The notification thing I did myself, it's like 20 lines of code.
[09:58] <yuriy> sebas: bug 61330
[09:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61330 in kde-guidance "[edgy]  guidance sets brightness to 60-70%" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61330
[09:59] <yuriy> (was trying to subscribe you but can't find you in the search -- you're not a bug contact for kde-guidance either...)
[10:04] <sebas> yuriy: Probably fixed since earlier today.
[10:04] <yuriy> sebas: ah, nice thanks
[10:07] <sebas> yuriy: Did you record this bug?
[10:07] <sebas> If so, can you try?
[10:07] <sebas> (current svn, and report back)
[10:08] <yuriy> sebas: i got it with the current edgy package, i'll try svn
[10:08] <sebas> Ok, mail me at sebas@kde.org, I'm usually more responsive by email.
[10:13] <yuriy> bah i didn't have build-essential or the xlib stuff needed to install guidance installed yet
[10:15] <yuriy> uhoh my list of needed packages might not be quite accurate
[10:50] <ryanakca> kwwiL ping
[10:50] <ryanakca> oops... he isn't around... anybody mind telling me how to add something to kubuntu-default-settings?
[11:06] <fdoving> ryanakca: what is it you have in mind? 
[11:07] <yuriy> sebas: the setup script doesn't install powermanager??
[11:08] <ryanakca> fdoving: get rid of those little polkadotted lines that you have when kicker is unlocked... I know how
[11:08] <ryanakca> I know how to configure it so that they're hidden... just not how to put it into the package's source
[11:09] <fdoving> ryanakca: do you know what the configuration key is? 
[11:10] <ryanakca> here's what I'm guessing... 'touch .kde/share/config/*', do the changes, apply and then 'ls -lashourc .kde/share/config/*'
[11:10] <ryanakca> figure out what file it is... no clue what configureation key it is
[11:10] <fdoving> HideAppletHandles=false
[11:10] <ryanakca> I can edit debian/changelog and all... that's not a problem... it's just getting the changes into the package
[11:11] <fdoving> in ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc
[11:11] <fdoving> you basically put it in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kickerrc
[11:11] <fdoving> instead.
[11:11] <ryanakca> kk
[11:12] <fdoving> then it's global.
[11:12] <fdoving> i don't want it to be the default on my systems. so i don't want that change in my k-d-s.
[11:12] <ryanakca> and then... I'm guessing, stick it into debian/kubuntu-default-settings/something
[11:12] <fdoving> yes, correct.
[11:12] <fdoving> find kickerrc in the package source.
[11:13] <ryanakca> yeah... kwwii and I were talking about it a couple of days ago
[11:13] <fdoving> what did you decide? 
[11:14] <fdoving> i like the locking feature.
[11:14] <ryanakca> fdoving: you can still lock it... 
[11:14] <fdoving> sure, but i want the handles when i unlock.
[11:14] <ryanakca> he found that it was ugly...  you can still right click the pannel and access the panel menu that way...
[11:15] <fdoving> yes, the panel menu, but getting to the applet menus are harder without the handles.
[11:15] <fdoving> belive me, i've tried this.
[11:15] <fdoving> hated the handles and disabled them, ended up enabling them with the fade away-feature because it was too hard to get to the applet menus.
[11:16] <fdoving> for example, how would you get to the 'configure systray..' menu entry without the handle? 
[11:17] <ryanakca> good point...
[11:17] <fdoving> it's easier for all of us if we use the 'lock' feature.
[11:17] <ryanakca> fdoving: we were also wondering if it was possible to set it up so that it's just the small black arrow instead of that polka dotted bar
[11:17] <fdoving> you can set it up to fade the dotts away.
[11:18] <fdoving> that's what i have when i unlock the panel.
[11:18] <ryanakca> it was either that or disabling them... at least that's what I understood from the conversation...
[11:18] <fdoving> the dotts appear when i move my mouse over the handes.
[11:19] <fdoving> i won't trade usability for looks.
[11:19] <ryanakca> yeah... you have a point
[11:19] <fdoving> when it's so easy to just lock the panel.
[11:19] <ryanakca> yeah
[11:20] <fdoving> i can support that the panels are locked by default after installation.
[11:20] <fdoving> (don't know if they are, but that would be good)
[11:20] <ryanakca> yes, but then the new kid on the block will be wondering how to add stuff to the panel and that..
[11:20] <ryanakca> they aren't... at least not in knot 3
[11:21] <fdoving> rightclick -> unlock, right click -> add... 
[11:21] <fdoving> very very easy. just like winxp.
[11:21] <fdoving> i feel having it locked by default is what is expected.
[11:22] <fdoving> when you know the feature is there, you expect it to be locked by default, don't you? 
[11:22] <ryanakca> yeah
[11:23] <ryanakca> hey gnomefreak
[11:23] <gnomefreak> hi
[11:24] <fdoving> ryanakca: kickerrc.
[11:34] <ryanakca> fdoving: I'm getting some errors with debuild... *twiddles as the uber slow pastebin is sent*
[11:35] <ryanakca> fdoving: http://pastebin.com/792896
[11:35] <fdoving> opening..
[11:36] <ryanakca> lol... pastebin.ca is having trouble with database, and pastebin.com takes 75 seconds to sent
[11:36] <fdoving> paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:36] <fdoving> is good.
[11:36] <fdoving> or rafb.net/paste
[11:37] <fdoving> ryanakca: don't you have kubuntu-default-settings_6.10.orig.tar.gz ? 
[11:38] <ryanakca> apt-get source kubuntu-default-settings provided me with kubuntu-default-settings_6.10-49.tar.gz :D
[11:38] <fdoving> ah. true.
[11:39] <imbrandon> there is no orig.tar.gz gfor that package, its a native one
[11:39] <fdoving> ryanakca: add --no-tgz-check
[11:39] <imbrandon> that warning is normal when building k-d-s ryanakca 
[11:39] <fdoving> to debuild.
[11:39] <fdoving> or just answer yes.
[11:39] <ryanakca> kk, fdoving, kk
[11:40] <imbrandon> just tell it yes, is the easy way that way it rebuilds the new tar
[11:41] <ryanakca> uploading... *twiddles*
[11:41] <fdoving> is this with the 'hide-handles-by-default' change? 
[11:42] <ryanakca> no, the lock panel by default
[11:43] <fdoving> ah.. ok :)
[11:43] <fdoving> good :)
[11:44] <ryanakca> it SHOULD and USED to work... before the fresh install...
[11:45] <imbrandon> your probably using vim-tiny
[11:46] <ryanakca> ah
[11:46] <ryanakca> which vim = /usr/bin/vim...
[11:46] <imbrandon> dunno i dont use vim
[11:47] <imbrandon> to save space
[11:47] <ryanakca> imbrandon: kate? kedit? emacs?
[11:47] <imbrandon> nano
[11:48] <ryanakca> ah
[11:51] <fdoving> sounds like you need to play with 'update-alternatives --config editor' :] 
[11:51] <ryanakca> ??
[11:51] <fdoving> to make the default editor nano.
[11:51] <fdoving> ehm.
[11:51] <fdoving> i mean vim.
[11:52] <fdoving> nevermind, i don't pay attention. :)
[11:52] <ryanakca> fixed
[11:52] <ryanakca> lol
[11:53] <ryanakca> well... in the meantime, feel like reviewing an iconset? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3098
[11:56] <imbrandon> +Copyright:  Paolo Campitelli  <--- needs a year ......
[11:56] <ryanakca> Riddell: hehehe oops... ignore that message about kubuntu-default-settings in your inbox from archive@ubuntu.com... I forgot to edit my dput.cf to REVU since running a fresh install
[11:57] <ryanakca> imbrandon: kk
[11:58] <imbrandon> ryanakca: it will just silently reject it
[11:58] <imbrandon> no email
[11:58] <ryanakca> imbrandon: I know... I got an e-mail
[11:59] <ryanakca> and it was sent to riddel as well...
[11:59] <imbrandon> also a good habbit for when / if you become a motu is to get into the habbit of typing dput revu blah so later you can type dput ubuntu blah
[12:00] <imbrandon> like i have dput for ubuntu, revu, debian, and mentors
[12:00] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:00] <ryanakca> keyword: if... I'm hopeful, but I'll have to become a member and all that stuff... soo... it might be a couple of decades before I need to worry about that :D
[12:00] <imbrandon> heh
[12:01] <ryanakca> kk, I don't have the original sources for the package... they're in a .bz2 on my mom's external HDD... so I ran dget... what do I do now...
[12:01] <imbrandon> what are you doing ?
[12:02] <imbrandon> oh you ran dget blah.dsc ?
[12:02] <ryanakca> editing the debian/copyright?
[12:02] <imbrandon> yea dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[12:02] <ryanakca> yes... because I don't have the original sources + dsc + tar, etc
[12:02] <ryanakca> kk
[12:02] <imbrandon> then cd to the new dir , change away etc etc etc
[12:03] <imbrandon> debuild -S -sa 
[12:03] <imbrandon> then re-dput
[12:03] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:03] <imbrandon> dont dput just yet though
[12:03] <imbrandon> i'm still looking
[12:03] <ryanakca> kk
[12:05] <ryanakca> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3237  for kubuntu-default-settings... it's just an added line to kickerrc, and to debian/changelog
[12:05] <imbrandon> ok icons look good from me, upload and i'll advocate
[12:05] <ryanakca> kk
[12:06] <ryanakca> Copyright: (C) 2006 Paolo Campitelli          ?