[12:53] <Mithrandir> BenC: do you want a daily build now?
[02:04] <zul> BenC: you can throw rocks at your satelite dish or cow dung
[03:19] <BenC> Mithrandir: yeah, definitely
[04:28] <yarddog> this 2.6.17-9 is giving me a panic on boot
[04:28] <yarddog> cannot use it
[04:29] <yarddog> ive reinstalled and still panic, it hangs on the new splash and will not boot
[08:21] <Mithrandir> BenC: oh well, I didn't see that before going to bed; you'll have images in an hour or so.
[10:07] <ivoks> bummer :/
[10:08] <ivoks> BenC: it doesn't work, but it works with 2.6.18-rc7-mm
[10:08] <ivoks> fwiw
[10:09] <ivoks> (i know that isn't much of the help)
[11:44] <ph8> morning all
[11:45] <ph8> any feedback from the jmicron fix from today's daily yet? I haven't got around to downloading the image yet
[11:55] <ph8> Just one guy going "oh it's not in the source boo hoo"
[11:55] <ph8> but according to the .list
[11:55] <ph8> /pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.17/linux-image-2.6.17-9-generic_2.6.17-9.23_amd64.deb
[11:56] <ph8> is included
[11:56] <ph8> so all should be gravy when i get a chance to d/l it :)
[12:22] <ivoks> hi BenC 
[12:24] <ivoks> yay... it almost booted :)
[03:26] <ph8> hey BenC! Noticed the comments on the jmicron bug report mate? wondering if it's true/applicable and if so if it would then be a waste of my time downloading the image today
[03:29] <yarddog> anyone have a problem booting with 2.6.17-9 ?
[03:37] <gnomefreak> yarddog: it hasnt hit my repos yet
[03:38] <gnomefreak> using uk repos too they are normally one of the first updated
[03:39] <yarddog> i think mine are the ubuntu archives
[03:39] <yarddog> archive.ubuntu.com
[03:40] <yarddog> it boots fine on my laptop
[03:40] <yarddog> but not on this desktop
[03:40] <yarddog> i had to revert to 
[03:40] <yarddog> 2.6.17-8-386
[03:42] <yarddog> the desktop has kde as well and it uses the kubuntu usplash
[03:43] <yarddog> i dont know if that makes a difference because it hangs/panics on the kubuntu splash screen
[03:43] <yarddog> so i cant see if its a panic or not
[03:50] <gnomefreak> yarddog: they were in my repos but some some strange reason they were not updating i had to install
[03:50] <yarddog> interesting
[03:50] <yarddog> what kernel version are you running?
[03:51] <gnomefreak> -8-generic
[03:51] <yarddog> hrm
[03:51] <gnomefreak> i had changed to -generic since 386 is installed by default
[03:51] <yarddog> i tried several times
[03:51] <yarddog> what does generic have?
[03:52] <yarddog> this desktop is a prescott and there is no 686 or smp either
[03:52] <gnomefreak> generic is 686 may  also be 486 and 586
[03:52] <yarddog> so its forced to run 386
[03:52] <gnomefreak> 686 was renamed to -generic
[03:53] <yarddog> so i should be running generic?
[03:53] <gnomefreak> yarddog: im not sure there is much of a performance difference but im not a kernel guy
[03:55] <yarddog> ok
[03:56] <gnomefreak> gonna try brb
[05:30] <ivoks> hi zul 
[05:30] <zul> hey
[05:31] <ivoks> do you have a minute?
[05:31] <ivoks> :)
[05:31] <zul> i might
[05:31] <zul> whats u
[05:31] <zul> *up even
[05:31] <ivoks> ich8 doesn't work with latest kernel 9.23
[05:32] <ivoks> and i was checking diff with vanilla kernel
[05:32] <ivoks> and it's big
[05:32] <ivoks> but vanilla kernel doesn't include support for ich8
[05:32] <ivoks> so, i've looked for a patch and found this:
[05:32] <ivoks> http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/7/11/493
[05:32] <zul> gimme a sec
[05:33] <ivoks> it seems that our ata_piix.c has parts of this patch and parts from somewhere else
[05:33] <zul> hmmm...you might want to talk to ben when he is around
[05:33] <ivoks> ok
[05:33] <zul> does that patch work though?
[05:33] <ivoks> it builds
[05:33] <ivoks> but i can't test it right now :/
[05:33] <zul> ah..
[05:34] <ivoks> our driver reports that it can't read status of disk
[05:34] <ivoks> but, i'll talk with ben about it
[05:34] <ivoks> speeking of... :)
[05:35] <ivoks> speaking even
[05:45] <ph8> BenC: Sorry, lost my connection, did you reply?
[05:46] <ivoks> ph8: did your jmicron worked?
[05:47] <ph8> not sure
[05:47] <ph8> downloading now
[05:47] <ph8> did yours ivoks?
[05:47] <ivoks> no
[05:47] <ph8> same error?
[05:48] <ivoks> well, i have disk on ich8 and cdrom on jmicron
[05:48] <ivoks> cdrom wasn't detected at all
[05:49] <ivoks> and ich8 stalled for a long time... :/
[05:55] <ph8> was ich8 detected in the end though?
[05:56] <ph8> there's some guy on bug report saying that the installer is using an old kernel which probably only BenC or Mithrandir would know about - presumably though the installer should use the kernel that gets put into the distro..
[05:56] <ivoks> i said that :)
[05:56] <ivoks> and it does
[05:56] <ph8> ah
[05:56] <ivoks> i've tested it this morning
[05:56] <ph8> weird
[05:56] <ph8> does that mean someone's not updated the installer?
[05:56] <ivoks> it's not that weird
[05:57] <ph8> or is that how it's meant to work
[05:57] <ph8> and since we've got a fixed kernel package can't we just overwrite the one on the install cd?
[05:57] <ivoks> this is automated procedure
[05:57] <ivoks> i think tomorrow we'll have new kernel in installer
[05:57] <ph8> :(
[05:57] <ph8> always another tomorrow
[05:57] <ph8> pain in the arse
[05:58] <ivoks> ph8: safe bet is "the release day"
[05:58] <ph8> unless of course Mithrandir's around and is feeling generous? ;)
[05:58] <ph8> ivoks: I was hoping to fit this machine on monday/tuesday
[05:58] <ivoks> ph8: this is expected for a development version
[05:58] <ph8> indeed
[05:58] <ph8> do you know if any other distros have it fixed yet?
[05:58] <ivoks> ph8: i was hoping to make it work yesterday :)
[05:58] <ph8> distros that have server installations
[05:59] <ph8> ivoks: Did you say ich8 detection worked?
[05:59] <ivoks> only those that have 2.6.18 kernel
[05:59] <ph8> do any have the .18?
[05:59] <yarddog> that kubuntu splash has something to do with the kernel panic
[05:59] <yarddog> edgy splash is fine
[05:59] <ivoks> ph8: there is thousands of linux distribution :)
[06:08] <ph8> doesn't answer the question though, does it? ;)
[06:10] <ivoks> i don't know :)
[06:10] <ivoks> 2.6.18 is fresh
[06:10] <ph8> do you know an easy way to just copy the kernel on the install cd into the installer?
[06:10] <ph8> or is that not do-able?
[06:12] <ivoks> i did that
[06:12] <ivoks> and i managed to install edgy onto disk
[06:12] <ph8> and it works?
[06:12] <ivoks> even boot it
[06:12] <ivoks> but (big BUT)
[06:12] <ivoks> udev in edgy isn't compatibile with 2.6.18
[06:12] <ivoks> so... bummer :)
[06:12] <ph8> i meant the fixed edgy kernel
[06:12] <ph8> which presumably is on the install cd as a package
[06:12] <ph8> just not in the installer
[06:13] <ivoks> ph8: you can do netboot, as i did
[06:13] <ph8> don't you have a P5B?
[06:13] <ph8> the network card isn't supported
[06:13] <ivoks> i don't know what board it is...
[06:13] <ph8> you have to download seperate drivers which aren't on the install cd
[06:13] <ivoks> ph8: realtek?
[06:13] <ph8> iirc
[06:13] <ph8> yes
[06:13] <ivoks> it's supported
[06:13] <ivoks> r1000 module
[06:13] <ph8> i can try it but i'm not sure you're right
[06:13] <ivoks> if you have time, you can do it
[06:14] <ph8> netboot involves setting up a dhcp server and all that rubbish right?
[06:14] <ph8> i don't really have the cabling tbh
[06:14] <ivoks> first, do apt-get source linux-image-2.6.17-9-386
[06:14] <ph8> it would be a trek
[06:14] <ivoks> ph8: it's easy... you need 5 minutes for setup and hour and half for waiting kernel to compile
[06:14] <ph8> this is for netboot?
[06:14] <ph8> i have a feeling one of us might be lagging
[06:15] <ivoks> ph8: no one is lagging :)
[06:16] <ivoks> for netboot, yes
[06:16] <ivoks> you need dhcp3-server and tftpd-hpa
[06:16] <ivoks> and apache2 :)
[06:16] <ivoks> those three packages
[06:16] <ph8> eww
[06:16] <ph8> i need to setup software raid as well
[06:16] <ph8> will netboot use the latest kernel instead of this old one which seems to be all over the place?
[06:17] <ivoks> ph8: netboot will use kernel which you will create
[06:17] <ivoks> which would be the same as ubuntu kernel + r1000 module for realtek
[06:17] <ivoks> it's easy
[06:18] <ph8> this assumes the ich8 fix works
[06:18] <ivoks> that one doesn't work
[06:18] <ph8> then my sata's won't get detected?
[06:18] <ivoks> but if you are willing to try my patch...
[06:19] <ph8> hmmm
[06:19] <ph8> why not submit the patch to these lovely guys?
[06:19] <ivoks> cause i'm not sure it works :)
[06:19] <ivoks> and i can't test it
[06:19] <ph8> well then
[06:19] <ivoks> :((((((
[06:19] <ivoks> but if you would test it...
[06:20] <ph8> i'm going to try today's daily in an hour, i'm not too hopeful from what i've heard already :/ 
[06:20] <ivoks> then we would know if it works or not
[06:20] <ivoks> so, you don't want to test this patch? it will take maybe 20 minutes to set everything up (since i allready compiled kernel and modules)
[06:21] <ph8> maybe
[06:21] <ph8> give me an hour to try this
[06:21] <ph8> and then i'll think about it
[06:22] <ph8> as i said, if i can get this machine installed on tuesday that would be great
[06:22] <ph8> it's the last day i'll be able too really
[06:22] <ph8> pressure's on
[06:22] <ivoks> same here
[06:23] <ph8> i've pm'ed Mithrandir, if he appears maybe he'll do a new build for us so the new kernel can get into that blasted installer
[06:23] <ph8> then we'll be on the way \o/
[06:23] <ivoks> i doubt
[06:23] <ivoks> since i've allready tried new kernel
[06:23] <ivoks> and it doesn't work
[06:23] <ivoks> period
[06:24] <ph8> pfft
[06:24] <ph8> sounds like a recurring nightmare
[06:37] <yarddog_> wiping that install and doing a clean onee
[07:00] <ivoks> jezzzz
[07:00] <ivoks> ph8: please, please, are you willing to test this patch?
[07:01] <ivoks> it might make your computer - work :)
[07:02] <ph8> it involves a netboot and a rebuild with the r1000?
[07:02] <ph8> if so, how are you going to get around the ich8 issue?
[07:03] <ivoks> this get's around ich8 issue
[07:03] <ivoks> it solves it
[07:03] <ivoks> it also solves PATA part of jmicron driver
[07:03] <ph8> and does it involve a netboot or just a patch to the install cd?
[07:03] <ivoks> fix in edgy kernel includes only fix for SATA part of jmicron
[07:03] <ivoks> netboot
[07:04] <ph8> what do i need to do?
[07:04] <ivoks> it's much easier to do it trough netboot than remastering CD
[07:04] <ivoks> ph8: install tftpd-hpa dhcp3-server apache2
[07:05] <ivoks> patch is on http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/jmicron-ich8.diff
[07:06] <ivoks> then you need to get source of edgy kernel; apt-get source linux-image-2.6.17-9-386
[07:06] <ivoks> or, if you trust me, i can provide you prebuild image and modules
[07:07] <ph8> presumably as soon as edgy dev has fixed this i can update to their kernel?
[07:07] <ph8> i won't be tied into this patched kernel for a long time?
[07:07] <ivoks> of course
[07:07] <ph8> link me to the prebuild then
[07:08] <ivoks> i have to upload them, just a second
[07:08] <ivoks> while it's uploading, let's set up everything for netboot, ok?
[07:10] <ivoks> ph8: ?
[07:10] <ph8> ok
[07:10] <ivoks> did you install those packages?
[07:10] <ph8> yes
[07:10] <ph8> start of dhcp3 server fails atm though
[07:11] <ph8> not sure why
[07:11] <ivoks> that's ok
[07:11] <ph8> no config you think?
[07:11] <ph8> ok
[07:11] <ivoks> now go to /var/lib/tftpboot
[07:11] <ivoks> and run:
[07:12] <ivoks> lftp -c "open http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-i386/current/images; mirror ."
[07:12] <ivoks> errr
[07:13] <ivoks> lftp -c "open http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot; mirror ."
[07:14] <ivoks> this will take a while, depending on you connection
[07:15] <ph8> 5 mins
[07:16] <ivoks> ok...
[07:16] <ivoks> while that's downloading, we could set-up dhcp
[07:16] <ph8> am i going to be able to setup software RAID using this method?
[07:16] <ivoks> ph8: this is just for kernel, installer is standard
[07:16] <ph8> k
[07:17] <ivoks> so... in another term, open (as root) /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
[07:18] <ivoks> do you have only one or more network cards on your computer? (on which you are editing dhcpd.conf)
[07:19] <ph8> wireless and wired eth1/eth0 respectively
[07:19] <ivoks> great... you are connected to internet trough wifi?
[07:20] <ph8> no, wired
[07:20] <ph8> although
[07:20] <ph8> when doing the netboot
[07:20] <ph8> i'll be wi-fied
[07:20] <ph8> i think, assuming it works
[07:20] <ivoks> ok
[07:20] <ph8> i've only got one wired connection up here
[07:20] <zul> bian/build/build-generic-xen0'
[07:20] <zul> damn it
[07:20] <zul> /usr/bin/make  EXTRAVERSION=-1-generic  ARCH=i386 \ modules
[07:20] <ivoks> you need one free wired network card
[07:20] <ph8> free in what sense?
[07:21] <ivoks> to which you are going to connect your jmicron computer
[07:21] <ph8> in the sense the netboot machine connects to a machine that's then connected to the network?
[07:21] <ph8> i see
[07:21] <ph8> ok
[07:21] <ph8> that should be ok
[07:21] <ivoks> so, if you now have IP 192.168.0.x
[07:21] <ph8> .1.102
[07:21] <ivoks> you should set-up 10.0.0.x on your other card
[07:21] <ivoks> so in that dhcpd.conf enter:
[07:23] <ivoks> i sent you that on private, so we don't flood channel
[07:24] <ivoks> now you have to add 10.0.0.1 IP to your network card, which you don't use for internet (ergo; which is free)
[07:24] <ph8> erm
[07:24] <ph8> i'll try switching to wifi
[07:24] <ph8> probably get d/ced
[07:24] <ivoks> so, if you are connected over eth0, run 'ifconfig eth1 10.0.0.1 up'
[07:24] <ivoks> ok
[07:25] <ph8> will wait for that download to finish
[07:25] <ph8> oh wait
[07:25] <ph8> i can add 10.0.0.1 to my wireless?
[07:25] <ph8> i assumed you meant the card the jmicron would connect to
[07:25] <ivoks> no, not to wifi, but to the wired card
[07:26] <ph8> will have to wait for that d/l to finish then
[07:26] <ivoks> ok
[07:26] <ivoks> what's you connection?
[07:26] <ivoks> adsl?
[07:27] <ivoks> (btw; we are mostly following: http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install)
[07:27] <ph8> ja
[07:30] <ivoks> still downloading?
[07:30] <ph8> yes
[07:30] <ph8> ah no done now
[07:30] <ph8> brb
[07:30] <ivoks> ok
[07:31] <ph8> my wireless is being shit
[07:31] <ivoks> :)
[07:31] <ph8> this could be a long process
[07:31] <ph8> i might have to have one machine downstairs and one up
[07:31] <ivoks> uh
[07:33] <ph8> right brb
[07:43] <marcin_ant> hi guys
[07:43] <marcin_ant> ph8: hi
[07:43] <marcin_ant> ph8: do you know what's going on with jmicron issue?
[07:44] <ivoks> :)
[07:45] <ivoks> topic of the week
[07:46] <marcin_ant> ivoks: sure, but do you know if is it really fixed now?
[07:47] <ivoks> i think SATA part of jmicron is fixed, but not the IDE one
[07:47] <ivoks> (i'm not kernel developer, just a poor user with same problem)
[07:47] <ivoks> so i might not be best person to comment this
[07:49] <marcin_ant> well that's pretty sad.
[07:49] <marcin_ant> fortunately I finally got running dapper
[07:49] <marcin_ant> which I installed using instlux
[07:50] <marcin_ant> but yesterday I tried to run edgy from daily build which I installed on some other machine with SATA controller based on VIA chipset
[07:50] <marcin_ant> but I just couldn't boot
[07:50] <marcin_ant> it stopped with some ACPI message related to CPU... 
[07:50] <ivoks> noacpi might help
[07:51] <marcin_ant> another thing is - I'm not sure if anyone cares is that on Asus P5B there are 2 NIC's while only one is functional in dapper/edgy...
[07:52] <marcin_ant> ivoks: I just switched ACPI off in bios... unfortunately no success with it
[07:53] <ivoks> pass noacpi argument to kernel
[07:53] <ivoks> f6
[07:55] <marcin_ant> well now I just installed dapper on this partition
[07:55] <marcin_ant> I don't have time to fight with it anymore
[07:56] <marcin_ant> but just wanted to get some info if is this fixed in edgy daily build
[07:56] <ivoks> none of kernel devs is in here, so no one can give you exact answer
[07:56] <ivoks> it didn't work for me :/
[08:01] <ivoks> bbl
[08:04] <ph8> huzzah
[08:04] <ph8> finally sorted the wireless
[08:06] <ph8> and ivoks has left :(
[10:30] <tidiman07> help
[10:31] <ph8> can you be more specific?
[10:32] <tidiman07> i want to install kernel 2.6.18, but two version, how do i do that?
[10:33] <tidiman07> like one with default settings, and another customized
[10:33] <gnomefreak> tidiman07: 2.6.18 isnt supported by ubuntu my suggestion would be to read the docs on compiling a kernel and start there
[10:34] <tidiman07> i can compile it myself, but i dont know if i try to install it again will it tell me its already installed or override
[10:34] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild?highlight=%28kernel%29
[10:36] <gnomefreak> i would think naming it something differnet add a .1 or something but not positive on that
[10:38] <tidiman07> you know what, i'll just backup some stuff and start experimenting
[10:39] <tidiman07> thanx, ,later
[10:43] <ph8> BenC: lo
[10:43] <ph8> BenC: Did that kernel patch (for jmicron) bring in this new 'could not read from install cd' when the kernel's loading? My system now actually crashes earlier
[10:44] <ph8> 'error reading boot cd' is the exact error sorry
[10:44] <BenC> no idea
[10:44] <ph8> i see, i'll check my image
[10:44] <BenC> I'm just pulling in the patches that jmicron pointed me to, I have no way to test it yet
[10:45] <ph8> it appears your shiny new kernel didn't make it to the installer :(
[10:45] <ph8> which is a bummer
[10:45] <BenC> check the kernel version in the initrd (unpack and check /lib/modules)
[10:45] <ph8> do you know how often the installer's kernel gets updated by any chance?
[10:45] <ph8> sec
[10:45] <BenC> yeah, that would suck
[10:45] <ph8> how do i unpack initrd?
[10:45] <ph8> in the .tar.gz there's just one fine
[10:45] <ph8> * file
[10:46] <BenC> there should be an initrd on the cd image
[10:46] <ph8> sorry .gz
[10:46] <ph8> i see initrd.gz
[10:46] <ph8> not what you mean?
[11:03] <ph8> wb ben
[11:03] <ph8> i've got initrd.gz
[11:03] <ph8> but that seems to be an unopenable file
[11:03] <ph8> is that not what you meant?
[11:03] <BenC> zcat initrd.gz | cpio -i
[11:25] <ph8> 2.6.17-8-generic benc, that mean anything?
[11:49] <ph8> BenC: 2.6.17-8-generic, that mean anything?
[11:49] <ph8> grr :p
[11:49] <crimsun> ph8: it's likely he's away; his Internet connection is quite bad. In a few weeks he'll have a much more stable one.
[11:49] <crimsun> getting a T1 iirc
[11:50] <ph8> he was sort of here before :p
[11:51] <crimsun> it's Saturday evening localtime; he lives on a farm; his Internet connection is awful; ...
[12:08] <chillywilly> hi, I am running a dist-upgrade form breezy to dapper for amd64 and there's an error in the pre install script for lvm2...can anyone help?
[12:08] <BenC> ph8: the installer needs to use -9. The -8 kernel didn't contain the changes for jmicron
[12:08] <chillywilly> says returned error exit status 10
[12:08] <BenC> chillywilly: #ubuntu
[12:08] <crimsun> d'oh, I just punted him here
[12:08] <BenC> heh
[12:09] <chillywilly> yea...it's like the phone company or some shit
[12:09] <chillywilly> bouncing me around
[12:09] <chillywilly> weee
[12:09] <ivoks> BenC: hi
[12:09] <ivoks> BenC: i have a patch, if you would like to look at it
[12:10] <BenC> email it, bcollins@ubuntu.com
[12:10] <BenC> I'll be gone for about an hour
[12:10] <ivoks> BenC: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/jmicron-ich8.diff
[12:10] <ivoks> ok