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ryanakcaimbrandon: it's uploading, and I need to go have supper, see you in a bit12:12
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fdovingnite all.12:34
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ryanakcaimbrandon: ping12:56
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bobesponjahey all02:55
bobesponjaI've just install knot 3 and amarok won't scan my collection02:55
bobesponjahere is the error I get  http://p80.free.fr/snapshot1.png02:56
bobesponjaI also tried removing all the samba shares but I still got the same problem so it seems like something is kind of broken either in amaro kor taglib :/02:57
crimsunmy guess is an encoding issue03:18
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bobesponjacrimsun: maybe but the weird thing is that it used to work great on debian sid03:21
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jdongany media junkies around?03:33
jdongI'm encoding some movies to x264/aac with a mkv container03:34
jdongwhat media players on what platforms will be able to handle this03:34
jdongand at a bitrate of 1000-ish, DVD resolution, what kind of CPU is needed to handle the playback?03:34
bobesponjajdong every media player support mkv but some of them need plugins especially on windows03:40
bobesponjasee http://www.matroska.org/downloads/windows.html 03:40
bobesponjajdong for dvd quality you'll need pretty good hardware03:40
jdongbobesponja: thx; what is the definititon of "pretty good hardware"?03:42
bobesponjajdong I guess that would be 1gig of RAM and and a recent CPU, also a nice video card might help03:46
bobesponjabut if you shut down many process unused process on your computer a minor config might do too03:46
jdongbobesponja: jesus... that's a lot over what xvid wants :)03:47
bobesponjajdong but what resolution do you have with xvids?03:47
jdongbobesponja: the standard DVD 720x480?03:48
jdongor whatever dvd's go at?03:48
bobesponjajdong but did you encode it in high quality? what was the bitrate? if it was a high bitrate dvd quality like you'd need a good config, if it was a low bitrate you could go with a "regular low config"03:50
bobesponjasame goes with x264/aac03:51
jdongbobesponja: pretty average-joe with settings others say to work well03:51
jdongbobesponja: not terribly high quality, like 1000 bitrate for x26403:52
jdong1500 for xvid03:52
jdongI'm not very picky03:52
jdongI just want to archive some DVD's to CD-sized files03:52
bobesponjaif you archive them cd sized it won't be very high quality and so I guess you could go with a normal config even with a x26403:53
jdongbobesponja: that's good to hear. all I expect quality-wise is that it's not blocky as hell when played back on an average computer screen :)03:54
jdongas I said, I'm not at all picky03:55
jdongI've encoded xvid at a bitrate of 500 and considered it acceptable before :)03:55
bobesponjak cool :)03:56
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bobesponjaby the way do you know why I get this error with amarok   http://p80.free.fr/snapshot1.png ?03:56
jdongno idea....03:58
jdongsorry03:58
jdongpoke imbrandon03:58
imbrandonbobesponja: file a bug upstream for that one, looks like04:01
imbrandonjdong: x264 encoding at anysize will require pretty hefty computer to playback04:01
imbrandon320x240 H.264 video wont play on my 800mhx , 640mb ram ibook04:01
imbrandonwithyout dropping 20fps04:02
imbrandonmuch better off going with xvid or divx mpegs for dvd to cd size digitizine, that way too it can be burned into a vcd without conversion later too04:03
imbrandonjdong: ^^04:03
imbrandonh.264 is really only nice for streaming , not filezise or cpu playback 04:04
ryanakcaimbrandon: that iconset was uploaded, dunno if you checked it, and can you look at the kubuntu-default-settings? before anybody else adds something to it...04:09
imbrandonryanakca: we're in a freeze atm04:10
imbrandonwrt k-d-s04:10
ryanakcaimbrandon: ???04:10
imbrandonmain if frozen for beta04:11
ryanakcaah... and when will it be 'unfrozen'?04:11
imbrandonwhen beta is released ;)04:11
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imbrandonheya Hobbsee 04:12
ryanakcahey Hobbsee04:12
ryanakcait's last week's next week, can you finish looking at that icon set please?04:12
ryanakcahttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=323804:12
Hobbseehey imbrandon, ryanakca 04:13
Hobbseeme?04:13
Hobbseegah.  04:13
Hobbseenot currently :P04:13
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Hobbseeand go to work04:13
Hobbseeoh, and eat :P04:13
imbrandonryanakca: sure04:13
jdongimbrandon: thanks for the advice04:14
ryanakcaimbrandon: thanks04:14
ryanakcawow... edgy's released in a month and 3 days...04:16
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bobesponjawill xgl be part of edgy?04:32
crimsunit's in universe04:40
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freeflyingseaLne: ping06:26
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seaLnefreeflying: pong10:04
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seaLnein the bit outside the lecture theatres, where are you?10:06
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Riddelllecture theatre 110:08
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kwwiimoin11:03
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_Simeg'day11:24
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Riddellhi _Sime 11:36
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_SimeRiddell: hey! how is it going?11:53
Riddell_Sime: slightly woosy down to too much guinness11:54
_Simejust another 5 or so nights to go.11:54
Riddellwell, I have to leave on tuesday to get on with the kubuntu beta11:54
fdovingriddell, is it too late to include stuff on the edgy cd? 11:59
fdovingbug 5948811:59
UbugtuMalone bug 59488 in ubuntu-meta "pppoeconf should be on livecd" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5948811:59
fdoving^^12:00
fdovingleaves the desktop-cd useless to users of pppoe.12:00
fdovingthey need the alternate cd, which includes pppoeconf.12:00
Riddellfdoving: remind me again after beta12:08
Riddell_Sime: have you looked at getting the folders in /media/ to mount when clicked?12:09
_SimeRiddell: it should not be possible to insert a disk and not have it automatically mounted.12:09
_SimeRiddell: although there are some know issues.12:10
_SimeRiddell: which I'll put up on the wiki today, and maybe find some solutions.12:10
Riddell_Sime: mounted automatically by what?12:10
_Sime"Do nothing" on the popup now automatically mounts the medium (but just won't open konq).12:11
fdovingriddell, ok,thanks :)12:11
Riddell_Sime: but if you just cancel the dialogue nothing gets mounted12:12
_SimeRiddell: not true any more.12:12
_SimeRiddell: true for dapper, not for edgy.12:13
_Simethings like usb-pens and disks are either inserted and ready to use, or not inserted.12:13
_Simenot inserted but unmounted.12:13
_Simethe state "inserted but unmounted" isn't useful for users.12:13
_SimeI'm not so keen on making file:/ automount things. (cdroms etc might be ok though, HDs not).12:14
Riddellinserting a cdrom it doesn't get mounted12:20
Riddellah, "do nothing" mount it12:20
Riddellbut not "Cancel"12:20
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_Simeoooohh didnt' see that.12:23
_Sime"Cancel"  mmmmm...12:24
Riddellit's what I usually click :)12:25
_SimeI've never clicked on that one.12:25
_Simethere is also another issue concering logout/login.12:25
Riddellif you boot up with a cd in, it won't be mounted12:25
_Simeon logout your mounted cdroms etc get unmounted. --- not unreasonable.12:25
_Simeyes, and they don't get mounted on login.12:26
_SimeI should be able to get some code for that today.12:26
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_Simebut I can't find the bit that actually unmounts stuff at logout....12:26
_SimeI've looked everywhere.12:26
_SimeI don't know who is doing it.12:26
Riddellksmserver?12:28
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_SimeI'ven't tried looking there. Got any starting points?12:29
Riddellnot really, but that's what handles login and out12:30
Riddellcan't see ervin around to ask him12:30
_Simedid you get that firefox style download manager thingy into edgy? (what you were working on in paris.)12:31
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Riddell_Sime: no, that was low priority and I didn't get to it12:33
_Simeok,12:33
_Simethere was a report that a unmounting progress dialog wasn't working in edgy.12:34
_SimeI've tried to find that dialog on dapper, and it won't appear.12:34
_Simeso I don't now if it even exists.12:34
RiddellI think it only appears after a certain length of time12:35
Riddellso only if the device is syncing before unmounting12:35
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_SimeI've tried copying heaps of stuff to my mp3 player and then unmounting... nothing shows.12:42
_Simemount options probably have a lot to do with it.12:43
Riddellmake sure it's not mounted with sync?12:45
_Simeusb-pen on dapper /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,noatime,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=lower)12:47
_SimeI guess sync is the default.12:48
_Simeasync is the default.12:49
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GNUrohi02:32
Riddellhi GNUro 02:33
GNUroHi Riddell!02:33
GNUroFlash plugins works in edgy?02:33
Riddellworks for me02:33
GNUromy firefox crash and my konqueror dont show anithing! 02:33
GNUrommm ok thnx02:34
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bobesponjahey all03:01
bobesponjaI've just install knot3 and amarok won't scan my files http://p80.free.fr/snapshot1.png people on #amarok told me it was a kubuntu only problem 03:01
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Hobbseeimbrandon: poke03:06
Hobbseebobesponja: can you apt-cache policy libtag1c2a please?03:09
bobesponja1.4-403:10
bobesponjaHobbsee: 1.4-403:10
Hobbseeinteresting03:10
bobesponjaHobbsee: a guy told me on #amarok  "happens with kubuntu packages since 1.4.2"03:11
bobesponjaif that helps03:11
Hobbseehttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/5861303:12
UbugtuMalone bug 58613 in amarok "Problem with libtag" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  03:12
Hobbseeseems to be that ^03:12
bobesponjaHobbsee: I don't know cause I removed all the samba shares from my collection and I still got the same problem03:13
bobesponjais that bug samba shares specific?03:14
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Hobbseeno idea03:14
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Hobbsee[23:14]  [Whois]  imbrandon has been idle for 6 hours, 45 minutes, and 54 seconds.03:14
Hobbseedarn03:14
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bddebianHowdy03:18
Hobbseehey bddebian 03:18
bddebianHi Hobbsee03:19
Hobbseebobesponja: i'm asking upstream if it's there problem or ours.03:19
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bobesponjaHobbsee: ok thanx03:21
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Hobbseebobesponja: i doubt many people are around on a sunday night03:23
Hobbseebobesponja: the guy who tends to work on it here is imbrandon, who seems to be asleep03:23
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bobesponjaok, no problem03:23
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Hobbseehttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/6076703:25
Hobbseesay what?03:26
UbugtuMalone bug 60767 in amarok "Amarok 1.4.3 requires libifp4" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  03:26
Riddellreject03:26
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Hobbseehey Riddell 03:28
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bobesponjaHobbsee: I've just apt-get remove amarok and compiled it from scrach with libtag also and I still get the exact same error03:52
Hobbseebobesponja: right, interesting.03:52
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Hobbseeask imbrandon when he gets back03:53
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bobesponjaok I'll try03:53
Hobbseenixternal: you around?03:54
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ryanakcaimbrandon: ping04:25
ryanakcakwwii: can you review an crystal-diamond please? (it's just as an extra iconset for universe...) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=323804:26
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Riddellkwwii can't review packages04:31
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abattoirryanakca: you now know whom to ask :)04:35
ryanakcalol04:35
ryanakcaHobbsee: ping04:35
abattoir:P04:35
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ryanakca?04:36
ryanakcaYou DID say you review them, and to ping you last week... I did... stop procrastinating :)04:36
Hobbseeryanakca: what were you wanting?04:36
Hobbsee@time sydney04:36
UbugtuCurrent time in Australia/Sydney: September 25 2006, 00:37:0104:36
Hobbsee^ is why i'm procrastinating04:37
ryanakcalol later on today... when you rewake04:37
Hobbseeoh, and computing assignment04:37
Hobbseemmmm....04:37
ryanakcalol04:37
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Hobbseecould be smart04:37
ryanakcalol04:37
abattoirhehe04:37
ryanakcaabattoir: hey :D04:37
Hobbseei mean, right now i'd just look, say yes, because i plain dont remember04:37
ryanakcaHobbsee: go to bed04:38
ryanakca:D04:38
Hobbseei cant even figure out sorting at the moment, and how to go from a reverse sort to a normal sort, the wya i want to.04:38
Hobbseei will....04:38
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ryanakcasorting?04:38
abattoirryanakca: mmm sorry, was that a 'hi' hey? or a different 'hey' ? :P04:38
Hobbseeryanakca: c++ programming assignment, which i'm finally looking at04:39
ryanakcaabattoir: both... Hello and *pokes at the link*04:39
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abattoirryanakca: haha, i dont have any rights at all :)04:39
ryanakcadrats04:39
Hobbseeyou can review it anyway04:40
HobbseeRiddell: might do it04:40
abattoirHobbsee: if i only knew what 'reviewing' actually is ;)04:40
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ryanakcalol04:40
Hobbseelol04:40
Hobbseemeans pointing out all the stuff that someone's done wrong :P04:40
Hobbseein their package04:41
abattoiram i supposed to see if it builds?04:41
ryanakcaimbrandon said it was fine... I'm just waiting for him to advocate for it on REVU...04:41
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Riddellryanakca: I'm not conviced about the licencing of kde-icons-crystal-diamond04:51
Riddellryanakca: if it has stuff from OsX in it, that's not GPL compatible04:51
RiddellNuove is GPL, not LGPL04:52
ryanakcaAh... *curses&04:53
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ryanakcaLicence: Free for PERSONAL USE if you own a copy of OSX, distributed without any warranty of any kind. Not for sale, auction, commercial use, or bundling. Keep out of reach of eye-candy freaks.04:55
ryanakca:( I guess it should be nuked then?04:55
Riddellryanakca: definately make sure no osx icons are in it04:59
ryanakcaRiddell: the OsX theme for gnome is basicly a copy paste of the OSX one... and the only way it's 'legal' to use the OsX one is if you own OSX, or if you own a license for it...05:01
ryanakcaand since OsX is included into crystal-diamond, the only way you can 'legally' use it, is if you own OSX05:01
Riddellyes05:01
ryanakcaso... a big 'no-no' for Universe?05:02
bddebianDoh :-(05:03
Riddellvery much05:03
ryanakcameeps... same for multiverse I take it?05:03
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Riddellit's copyright enfringement05:04
Riddellcan't do anything with it05:04
ryanakcakk05:04
ryanakcanuke it on REVU please05:05
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Riddellneed to poke someone in #ubuntu-motu05:05
ryanakcakk05:05
ryanakcaand you had reviewed qcomicbook, right?05:05
Riddellryanakca: it's in NEW05:05
ryanakcacan you explain http://librarian.launchpad.net/4377488/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.qcomicbook_0.3.2-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz to me please? (if you have the time, otherwise, I'll ask in #ubuntu-motu)05:06
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ryanakcafrom what I see, it has something to do with x11-common...05:07
Riddelloh poo, that's my fault05:08
RiddellI need to fix cdbs to allow for no .pot files having been made05:08
ryanakcalol :D 05:08
=== ryanakca takes that it'll still manage to get into universe though?
Hobbseeryanakca: where do you need what nuked?05:11
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abattoirlol :)05:12
ryanakcahttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=323805:12
ryanakcaso helpful all of a sudden, eh?05:12
Hobbseethat doestn require thought05:12
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Hobbseejpatrick packaged crystal icons.05:13
Hobbseeer, oxygen05:13
_Sime@time nijmegen05:15
_Sime@time amsterdam05:15
UbugtuCurrent time in Europe/Amsterdam: September 24 2006, 17:16:0105:15
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GNUrore05:38
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pygiimbrandon: ping?06:09
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imbrandonre08:15
imbrandonmoins all08:16
bddebianHeya imbrandon08:18
imbrandonheya08:18
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Lurehi all08:50
imbrandonheya Lure 08:54
Lureimbrandon: quiet here - everybody on Akademy?08:55
imbrandonheh yea08:55
imbrandonlooks like it08:55
imbrandonquiet sunday afternoon ;)08:56
Lureimbrandon: I am just back from vacation, so I have lots to read ;-)08:57
imbrandonahh welcome back ;)08:57
imbrandoni dident realize you were on vacation08:58
imbrandonare you commming to mt view ?08:58
Lureimbrandon: most probably - I am anyhow in US a week before and got OK from my company to attend08:59
imbrandoncool ;)08:59
gnomefreakimbrandon: is akregator your by chance?09:01
imbrandongnomefreak: what ?09:01
imbrandonheh09:02
gnomefreakthe package akregator news reader are you the maintainer?09:02
imbrandonwe all kinda group maintain them, but i can, wasup ?09:02
nixternalimbrandon: dude, me an you are gonna take a trip to Banff, AB in Canada for a ski trip one of these days!09:03
nixternali wish i was there longer..that place is beautiful09:03
imbrandonnixternal: hehe09:03
nixternaland the women shave ;)09:03
nixternalhaha09:03
imbrandonLOL09:04
gnomefreakversion 1.2.4 when you first start it the text is way too small to read (the news itself not the title) you have to go into configure and just hit app0ly to make text readable you dont have to change any settings09:04
gnomefreakapply09:04
imbrandongnomefreak: okies, edgy ?09:04
nixternalmy buddy lives in Calgary, and that was the first thing he said to me..."Welcome to Alberta, where the women here shave"09:04
gnomefreakyep09:04
imbrandonkk09:04
nixternalrevu09:04
gnomefreakit should set text size from start09:04
gnomefreakty09:04
nixternalok...i gotta watch some of these bears here..i will bbiab09:04
gnomefreaksave me from filing a bug and hopping it gets fixed for release09:05
imbrandongnomefreak: heh ok09:05
imbrandoni'll see if i can figure out what it is now09:05
ryanakcais it too late to submit "bugfixes" ? I have a k-d-s on REVU... depends on what you consider a "bug" though... it's so that kicker is locked by default...09:08
imbrandonryanakca: not too late but it will have to wait for beta freeze to end09:09
imbrandonlike i said yesterday ;)09:09
ryanakcawhich is what... a month?09:09
ryanakcalol09:09
imbrandonwhen beta is released09:09
ryanakcaso, when edgy is release?09:10
imbrandonoct 26th09:10
ryanakca061026?09:10
ryanakcain other words, any bugs currently in edgy are in edgy till then?09:10
imbrandonno i said BETA09:10
imbrandonnot release09:10
imbrandonmain is frozen for BETA09:11
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ryanakcabeta is released when, 061026?09:11
imbrandonno thats edgy release09:11
imbrandonthe final thing09:11
=== ryanakca looks at the release schedule for when beta is released
fdovingbeta is 092809:12
fdoving4 days.09:12
ryanakcaah09:12
ryanakcakk09:12
imbrandonevery time the cd's are made , there is a freeze just before for a few days09:12
gnomefreak2 days after UFV09:13
imbrandononly bug s CRITICAL for beta are allowed to be uploaded and have to have a core-dev and mdz approval09:13
gnomefreakuniverse freeze *09:13
ryanakcasame day as Universe Freeze09:13
ryanakcamdz?09:13
gnomefreakuni freeze is on the 26th09:13
ryanakcareally? I thought it was 28th09:13
imbrandonmdz , aka matt zimmerman, aka a relesae manager , aka ceo canonical09:14
ryanakcait is... if not, feel free to edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule09:14
=== gnomefreak thought 26th you were just looking at the schedule
ryanakcaah09:14
imbrandongnomefreak: 28th09:14
gnomefreakah 26th release is why i was thinking 26th09:14
ryanakca:)09:15
Hawkwindimbrandon: I hate to bother ya again, any word about that bug yet from the debian guys by chance ?09:16
imbrandonnope, Hawkwind you do realize how slow debian is right ?09:17
imbrandonheh09:17
imbrandonit take me about 1 month just to get a pckage uploaded that __I__ maintain09:17
imbrandonand thats trivial09:18
imbrandon;)09:18
ryanakcaouch09:18
HawkwindAh ok.  The guy is just wanting to finish his project and he can't because of this bug :(09:18
HawkwindNoone has replied to the bug or anything and it's been nearly 5 months since it was reported09:18
imbrandonhas he poked upstream upstream at all ?09:18
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HawkwindHe doesn't know who to poke really since the bug doesn't get assigned to anyone.  He said he has spoken to a couple of debian maintainers but they haven't done anything in nearly 5 months yet09:19
ryanakcaouch09:19
Hawkwindimbrandon: Is there someone specific he could/should speak to to get this done ?09:20
imbrandonyea debian is slow thats why i said upstream upstream09:20
imbrandonwhats the bug number again ?09:20
imbrandon( please dont make me search thousands of emails )09:20
imbrandonhehe09:20
HawkwindLet me look and find it for ya09:20
Hawkwind59816 is the second one filed, and 43386 is the original bug filed09:21
imbrandonbug 4338609:21
UbugtuMalone bug 43386 in Ubuntu "Untranslated string "Please wait" during install." [Medium,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4338609:21
HawkwindSorry, 4336809:22
Hawkwindbug 4336809:22
UbugtuMalone bug 43368 in boost "no statically linked library in boost thread" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4336809:22
imbrandonlemme grab the source hold on09:23
imbrandonHawkwind: compiling now09:40
Hawkwindimbrandon: Kewl.  Many thanks for taking the time to do this since I know you are super busy with other things09:41
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imbrandonno worries ;)09:42
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insanekanehas anyone tried to build PyQt4 with dapper ?10:06
insanekaneanyone know why qmake generates Makefiles with QtCore_debug, rather than just QtCore ?10:08
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insanekaneoh got it ... cat /usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/qconfig.pri, CONFIG should not have debug in it10:09
nixternalda bears!10:20
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ryanakcaabattoir: ping10:36
nixternalhow do i save a list of applications i have installed..so that way when i do a new install, i can use it to recreate my setup?  there is some funky/easy way of doing it..i just ca't remember10:55
marseillainixternal: dpkg -l | grep '^ii' | awk '{print $2}' > liste10:57
nixternalawesome!10:58
nixternalthanks10:58
marseillainixternal: and after : for i in `cat liste`; do apt-get install $i; done;10:58
ryanakcawhat about "dpkg --get-selections"?10:59
marseillairyanakca: i've try but it braks some times10:59
marseillaimany times in fact10:59
=== ryanakca tried it as well... forgot a couple packages though... but got most of em'
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ryanakcawow... huge manpage... for another day :P11:01
GNUrohi11:01
marseillairyanakca: in french but great documentation : http://linuxfr.org/tips/238.html11:02
ryanakcadoesn't matter, I'm fluently french anywais :)11:02
fdovingnixternal: i think 'dpkg --get-selections > installed.list' and 'dpkg --set-selections < installed.list' is the way to do it.11:02
nixternalwow...another way ;)11:03
nixternalthanks11:03
fdovingit's basically what ryanakca said.11:03
ryanakcanixternal: doesn't allwais work, as marseillai said11:03
ryanakcanixternal: I lost some packages... a lot of them actually..11:03
marseillai fdoving didn't work for me! --set-selections return an error the last time i use it11:03
fdovingalways worked for me.11:03
fdovingmarseillai: then you did something wrong.11:04
marseillaiperhaps11:04
ryanakcadidn't return an error, but it didn't install everything...11:04
fdovingmight be a missing source in sources.list or something.11:04
marseillainixternal: if you know french look at the link i've gave to ryanakca 11:04
ryanakcaah... yes, that's it...11:04
ryanakcanixternal: or have me translate it for you :)11:04
nixternalor google ;)11:05
marseillaifdoving: the sources.list was exactly the same and it works with the first method! but i agree the "debian" way to do is yours11:05
fdovingok.11:06
nixternalis anyone elses "System Settings -> Monitor & Display" broken?11:15
nixternalThe module Monitor & Display could not be loaded11:15
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fdovingnixternal: i can confirm that, on edgy/ppc.11:31
fdovingnixternal: that is true for disk and filesystems too.11:32
fdovingand system services.11:32
nixternalfdoving: when you boot up, does kdm start up automatically for you?11:34
nixternalim wondering if this issue is tied into each other11:34
fdovingi think so,haven't booted in a while.11:34
nixternalyup, my disk and filesystems is gone as well11:34
nixternalok...is this a reported bug i wonder11:35
fdovingalso, user management is dead.11:35
nixternalthat it is11:35
fdovingprobably the kde-guidance modules.11:36
nixternali don't know..i know that I have a lot of KDM and Xorg errors in my log files now, that were never there before11:37
fdovingmountconfig, displayconfig, userconfig works11:37
fdovingif you run them from the run command dialog.11:37
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nixternal doesn't work for me..i still get the same error message inside11:37
GNUronight!11:39
nixternalthey are broke in KControl as well11:39
fdovingah.. they work when run from console.11:39
fdovingnot the 'run command' dialog.11:40
nixternal  File "/usr/bin/displayconfig", line 23, in ?11:41
nixternal    import xf86misc11:41
nixternal  File "/usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/xf86misc.py", line 18, in ?11:41
nixternal    import ixf86misc11:41
nixternalImportError: No module named ixf86misc11:41
nixternalstill don't work for me ;(11:41
rouzicHi all11:41
nixternaluserconfig does11:41
nixternalmountconfig and displayconfig give the same type of error11:42
fdovingthey all work for me.11:42
fdovingfrom konsole.11:42
fdovinguserconfig crashed though.. or stopped responding, until kwin asked for permission to kill it.11:42
nixternalinteresting as the errors all deal with python files11:42
nixternalim wondering...i installed the subversion 1.4 today and that updated some python stuff11:43
nixternalfdoving: heh, i think you are right about guidance though..the python scripts being called and causing the crash, are guidance related11:45
fdovingi think so too.11:50
fdovingbrb.. check on sleeping kid.11:50
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fdovingnixternal: do you have /usr/lib/python-support/kde-guidance/python2.4/ixf86misc.so ? 12:00
fdovingnixternal: i think that's what's not beeing loaded.12:00
fdovingsome how.12:00
nixternali will check12:00
nixternali just filed a bug with the issues...i have quite a few bugs i need to research here as well12:01
nixternalyes i do have it12:02
fdoving'kcmshell mountconfig'12:04
fdovingsays: 12:04
fdovingPythonize constructor -- pid = 838012:04
fdoving'import site' failed; use -v for traceback12:04
fdovingPython interpreter initialized!12:04
fdoving'import site' failed.. 12:04
nixternalpid = 1715812:05
nixternalthen i get error: ***failed to import module12:05
fdovingsame here.12:06
nixternalbug 6222312:08
UbugtuMalone bug 62223 in kde-guidance "Monitor & Display, User Management, Disk & Filesystems - All Broken" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6222312:08
nixternalif you want to confirm it, and provide more info fdoving ^^12:08
fdovingok. will do.12:09
nixternalthere are some bugs that are similar to that one..but just in case they weren't, i didn't take over a thread12:09
nixternalthey had one of the same issues..but the other bug was over a month old, and i know this issue hasn't been around for over a month12:10
fdovingthe package must be 'kde-guidance' why are there two packages listed in the bugreport? 12:11
fdovingkde-guidance (baltix) ? 12:11

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