[10:19] <marcin_ant> doko_: hello
[10:31] <doko_> good morning
[10:35] <marcin_ant> doko_: hi
[10:36] <marcin_ant> doko_: I got a question to you about debian/ubuntu policy while sun's java is available in universe
[10:36] <marcin_ant> doko_: is there any change in official policy?
[10:36] <marcin_ant> doko_: and next question is about your plans for ant and eclipse 3.2...
[10:37] <marcin_ant> doko_: could you tell what is the status of eclipse 3.2 package and are there any plans to provide packages related to sun-java?
[10:37] <doko_> I don't have 3.2 packages yet. do you have some?
[10:38] <marcin_ant> doko_: I started to work on them but I don't have any successfull build yet
[10:39] <marcin_ant> doko_: another thing is that few eclipse parts requires java5
[10:39] <marcin_ant> doko_: so this is why I ask about policy...
[10:40] <marcin_ant> I just wonder if it could be possible to provide for example two packages for ant and two for eclipse
[10:40] <marcin_ant> something like: ant, ant-common, ant-sun and ant-gcj....
[10:40] <doko_> afaik eclipse 3.2 can be built using 1.4
[10:42] <marcin_ant> that's right but build instructions 
[10:42] <marcin_ant> (take a look at instructions.html in eclipse source directory)
[10:42] <marcin_ant> says that system requirements are:
[10:42] <marcin_ant> 1.4 _and_ 1.5 JDK
[10:43] <marcin_ant> and also says that: "Libraries in install used to compile plug-ins in the eclipse SDK that require 1.5 compliance (currently only JDT APT)"
[10:52] <doko_> no, we don't need an ant-sun package, and if, then it has to go to multiverse
[11:16] <marcin_ant> doko_: ok and what about eclipse-sun?
[11:16] <marcin_ant> doko_: we all know that with sun java eclipse is much faster...
[11:17] <doko_> no, we are about free software in the first place. you can run the eclipse packages with sun-java as well.
[11:48] <marcin_ant> doko_: well you know, now I don't care; from about a week I got new computer with Core 2 Duo which is powerfull enough to run eclipse
[11:48] <marcin_ant> with sun and gcj as well
[11:49] <marcin_ant> but for a long time I had machine with AMD Duron 1.8 GHz and on even with 1GB ram on this machine eclipse with gcj was unusable
[11:49] <marcin_ant> so for me - I'm about usability and productability first - then I'm about free software
[11:56] <marcin_ant> doko_: and of course I'm not against free software but I would like to give simple choice to people - they should have an easy ability to swich between gcj and sun
[11:57] <doko_> marcin_ant: you can run the current eclipse package with any java interpreter you want
[11:57] <marcin_ant> doko_: ok - current package which is 3.1
[11:58] <marcin_ant> doko_: and what about 3.2 ?
[12:00] <doko_> marcin, no package has a specific java interpreter hardcoded
[12:03] <marcin_ant> doko_: but has defined dependencies...
[12:03] <doko_> which ones?
[12:04] <marcin_ant> doko_: anyway I will try to analyze all these packages more and will talk about it later ok?
[12:04] <marcin_ant> doko_: and of course I will try to prepare something for eclipse 3.2 while I need this version if I want to use pydev
[12:06] <doko_> pydev is in the archives
[12:09] <marcin_ant> new http://pydev.sourceforge.net/ requires eclipse 3.2
[12:11] <marcin_ant> need to go...