[12:10] ok, where's the location that the package scripts and such are temporarily unpacked to? [12:10] /var/cache/....something or another [12:11] /var/lib/dpkg ? [12:11] .../info === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-69-153-137-228.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsmidt [n=jsmidt@128.187.128.131] has joined #ubuntu-motu === camh [n=camh@xionine.xdna.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] [dapper] are there any plans to upgrade totem-xine in universe to match the totem dependency in main? (1.4.1-0ubuntu4 -> 1.4.3-0ubuntu1) [12:27] hmm, I don't know [12:27] ``apt-cache madison totem-xine'' [12:28] totem-xine | 1.4.1-0ubuntu4 | http://au.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages [12:28] totem-xine | 1.4.1-0ubuntu4 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages [12:28] looks to be there [12:29] totem | 1.4.1-0ubuntu4 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Sources [12:29] looks to match to me [12:29] totem (in main) depends on totem-xine (>= 1.4.3-0ubuntu1) [12:29] what is the UVF exception policy now? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/UpstreamVersionFreeze seems awfully out of date [12:29] minghua: for universe or main? [12:29] universe [12:29] minghua: we're (universe, that is) not frozen until the 28th. [12:29] oh, cool [12:29] thanks crimsun [12:29] (hence the flurry of activity in the past couple weeks) [12:29] totem | 1.4.3-0ubuntu1 | http://au.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main Sources [12:30] camh: probably because the -updates binary didn't carry over into universe [12:30] camh: you'd need to ask a release manager [12:31] mdz has been idle 21 hours 36 mins 11 secs === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] kamion has been idle 14 hours 40 mins 9 secs [12:31] hmm, are depwaits automatically retried or do I need to ask an archive admin to give them back? [12:31] try during the week. [12:32] LaserJock: best to poke infinity [12:32] k [12:32] it would help if I had universe on my dapper-updates sources.list. Looks like it will upgrade now. [12:32] I guess perhaps i should have done that a bit better [12:36] camh: heh, we've all pebkaced at some point [12:37] even the might dieties ? ;-) [12:37] *mighty === bddebian has no idea what LaserJock and crimsun are talking about :-) [12:38] Hmm, sorry for being newbie again - but where is the howto for sync request? [12:38] so essentially a NEW package has to go through NEW twice? once for the source and once for the binaries [12:40] minghua: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000181.html lists the current policy for sync request (2nd topic of this mail) [12:40] geser: thanks! [12:40] I remember receiving such a mail but forgot which list (and I am away from my inbox now) :-P === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] anyone want to review an icculus game I packaged for REVU? no better way to spend saturday than shooting badguys. ;) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra_ [n=zdra@77.217-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua wonders what's wrong with librarian.launchpad.net [12:53] my download speed from there is like below 1KB/s [12:56] ouch [12:57] my school severely rate-limits *.ubuntu.com, *.canonical.com, and *.launchpad.net [12:57] Wha!? [12:58] crimsun: ouch [12:58] apparently our "intelligent" gateway does traffic analysis and attempts to choke heavily accessed sites. Go figure. [12:58] crimsun: any good reason ? do they run ( or could you convince them ) to mirror ? [12:58] ahh that sucks [12:59] our administrator seems intent to ignore sanity, too, since it appears to integrate wonderfully with Windows [12:59] ohhh house to myself /me put in the "KISS - Dressed to Kill" album and cranks it up while qt-designer loads [12:59] hahaha crimsun [12:59] figures [01:00] KISS? Blech [01:00] Throw in some Metallica baby :-) [01:00] Metallica snore [01:00] throw in some Isis [01:00] heh, KISS rules ;) [01:00] ( as far as old rock ) [01:01] "old rock" is Zepplin and Sabbath [01:01] Yeah [01:01] KISS will be forgotten, hopefully [01:01] haha kiss has been arround almost 30 years === tseng tickles imbrandon [01:01] doubtfull [01:01] bddebian gave rock n' roll to you, too, tseng [01:01] haha crimsun classic === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.122] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] so classic that I don't get it [01:02] +1 crimsun. [01:02] tseng: a play on god gave rock n' roll to you [01:02] tseng: there is a kiss song name "god gave rock and roll to you " [01:02] oh [01:02] I would know that === LaserJock puts on some Britney Spears === imbrandon is proud of his kiss collection, i have the 12inch dolls , tons of original vynal , every cd produced , heheh === imbrandon even has a 1976 kiss pinball machine in his basement [01:04] Hi! Any ideas on what I should do if I wish to build l-r-m for a specific kernel-version? Ive tried, well everything I can come up with, and it still compiles according to the newest available, instead of the one I want. [01:04] Using pbuilder to compile btw [01:04] okay I've done a sync request as bug #62101 [01:04] Malone bug 62101 in qgo "Please sync qgo (universe) 1.5.1-1 from Debian (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62101 [01:04] xopher: ->#-kernel could probably let you know [01:05] although they lilely arrount alive till weekdays [01:05] likely [01:05] can anyone look at it to make sure I've done thing right? and do I need to assign it to some one special to get it processed? [01:06] minghua: normaly you would just as a MOTU to ack it and they will subscribe u-a if nessesary [01:06] ask* [01:07] imbrandon: I see, so some MOTU need to build it in edgy and ack it? then it can be subscribed to u-a? [01:07] minghua: yup [01:07] minghua: aren't you a MOTU? [01:07] he is [01:07] it seems I should write a wiki page about this procedure [01:07] all he needs to do is sub ubuntu-archive [01:07] LaserJock: yes, but I don't have a edgy environment to build it [01:07] imbrandon, thanks Ill see if they know anything [01:07] ohh your a motu ? heh /me dident know [01:08] so I think I should play it safe and ask another MOTU to ack it? [01:08] not necessary [01:08] as a member of ubuntu-dev, you're already trusted for it [01:08] not really since there wasnt a delta [01:08] just sub u-a [01:08] and your golden [01:09] imbrandon: a MOTU without an edgy environment is not even as good as an ordinary user :-) I appreciate your help [01:09] hehe dchroot ? [01:09] good, then I'll subscribe it to u-a, if things break, I suppose I can go through the trouble and fix it... [01:09] thats how i do my sid stuff ;) === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] this is so ugly. Why is there a .so in libfooX (instead of libfoo-dev)?! [01:16] you mean a symlink to .so.X.X.X or ..... [01:16] yes === Fujitsu kicks scipy upstream a bit. [01:17] :-) [01:17] crimsun: sounds a bug to me if the .so is a symlink instead of a file [01:17] It can't be a good idea to include i386 binaries in the tarball, and then INSTALL THEM! [01:17] haha [01:18] broken build system? or debian/rules doesn't run "make clean" in clean target? [01:19] It just has those binaries in an example directory, and they don't get cleaned... So broken build system. [01:19] 0.5.1-3 introduced two lines in debian/rules to get rid of them. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] Of course, they were hardcoded to python versions. [01:20] So introduce python << 2.3 or >> 2.4, and you get nasty explosions on non-x86 buildds. [01:21] our MOTU wiki is so broken... the MOTU/SyncRequests page redirects to some package-in-working table for dapper === LaserJock hears the sound of a volunteer wiki fixer ;-) [01:22] broken , no , outdated , yes , wanna fix it ? hehehe [01:22] LaserJock: sure, resurrecting MOTU/SyncRequests sounds good to you? [01:22] or should I choose another name? [01:22] for the proceedure ? [01:23] We need an automated system like that integrated with MoM... Otherwise it's not maintainable. [01:23] there is a /MOTU/Proceedures/blah stuff [01:23] minghua: ^^ [01:23] ah yes, I remember that page [01:23] Fujitsu: you are very welcome to write one :-) [01:23] imbrandon: good, I'll look in there then [01:23] LaserJock, if I had the MoM source I would. [01:23] Who manage MoM? [01:23] Keybuck [01:23] keybuk [01:24] OK! [01:24] my god, this is even more broken than I imagined! [01:24] it's probably in his people.ubuntu.com somewhere [01:24] basicly I want it accessible from MOTU/Documentation, since that's what our channel topic says [01:24] ahh === LaserJock cries [01:25] LaserJock: people.u.c and merges.u.c have two different IPs [01:25] minghua: sounds good, just ping LaserJock about any major changes i would assume since he's out psudo doc wiki motu-aholic guy ;) === doko__ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-066-025.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] s/out/our [01:25] imbrandon: and s/psudo/pseudo/ ? [01:25] yea shush ;) [01:25] lol [01:26] crimsun: what lib ? [01:26] libexiv2-0.10 === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] wiki people: there is no MOTU/Procedures, only MOTU/Processes [01:27] minghua: yea my mistake [01:27] i was going from memory [01:27] processes [01:27] imbrandon: no problem, just to make sure I am looking at the correct place [01:28] right right [01:28] StevenK: put he should have his source in a bzr repo in people.u.c I would imagine [01:28] s/put/but/ [01:30] He doesn't. [01:30] yea then you'll probably have to ask him about it [01:30] you talking about makein a page for syncs like MoM ? [01:31] LaserJock, it doesnt mention anything about openoffice is there a way to check the chain of dependencies of packages it does require in a tree fashion to see what requires openoffice? [01:31] well, what was that script that Q-FUNK was talking about [01:31] hikenboot: you can do apt-get rdepends to see what depends on that package [01:32] I'll ask him at some point. [01:33] what is this automated system Fujitsu is trying to implement? [01:33] from context it looks like related to wiki? [01:35] I think Fujitsu is trying to automate sync requests, right? [01:35] some of them atleaste [01:35] MOTU/Processes/SyncRequests sounds good? [01:36] LaserJock, imbrandon: ^^^ [01:36] looks ok to me [01:36] minghua: ok, and what are you going to put on there? [01:36] LaserJock: the contents of those emails i would imagine [01:36] telling how to file syncs [01:36] LaserJock: what I just asked from the channel [01:37] k, sounds good [01:37] we really, really, really need to clean up our wiki [01:37] yes, what imbrandon said, and that your need a MOTU to ack it, then subscribe the bug to u-a (these are not explained in the mail) [01:37] we have over 100 wiki pages [01:38] waaay too much [01:38] well the MOTU will sub the u-a ( but your a motu so you could do it ) hehe [01:38] most of them are outdated [01:38] LaserJock: yea i did some cleanup a while back and grew bored so i took a break and never went back [01:38] bad imbrandon brad [01:38] bad* [01:40] we need to really redo our MOTU/ page as well === camh [n=camh@xionine.xdna.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:41] imbrandon: does launchpad forbid a non-MOTU to subscribe u-a to a bug? [01:41] no, it doesn't, which is not necessarily a good thing [01:41] minghua: no but its a good idea to let the MOTU do it once its been acd'd so it dosent spam the u-a list with changes === minghua figured that launchpad won't be so smart :-P [01:41] imbrandon: sure, I'll make that clear on the wiki [01:42] yesterday we were discussing bringing a resolution before the TB that would permit Debian maintainers to request syncs without an MOTU ACK [01:42] crimsun: that sounds good to me, as i have atleaste 2 maintainers that email me when they ask for syncs to ack them [01:43] crimsun: that only applies to packages without ubuntu specific changes, I suppose? [01:43] s/maintainers/DD's === minghua is sad at imbrandon's correction :-( [01:43] I wonder if it might be a good idea to put some effort into LP-interaction scripts [01:43] as far as I know DDs already have that understanding [01:43] (I could be misled, of course) [01:44] i dunno, i always do it just becouse we ( me and them ) thought it was required [01:44] heh [01:44] I've been checking Launchpad and the wiki, I am trying to find a page of requested packages for Ubuntu. Is there a page devoted to this? [01:44] its always packages without ubuntu deltas [01:45] yep, straight syncs [01:45] jsmidt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates ?? [01:46] imbrandon, that would be it, thanks [01:46] the more general one being https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New [01:46] check WNPP in Debian first [01:46] and mentors === redguy_ [n=mati@adp44.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:47] Back... [01:47] LaserJock, I am not sure how to interpret the results of the rdepends it contains a symbol similar to | does this mean an either or dependency or somthing? [01:47] crimsun, I have checked wnpp, I've filled a few of those requests already [01:48] (it would be slightly overkill to file them in Ubuntu, then) [01:49] we need to shift from NEW to bugfixes. It's already getting really late. [01:49] really [01:49] I'm thinking it would be a good idea to have something like SyncRequests embedded in MoM, so MOTUs can say `I'm doing this', or `This isn't possible because main is frozen and this depends on a new package in main', or general comments/statuses like that... That way people can tell if a MOTU has already looked at the package and deemed it not possible to merge/sync, and thus minimise work duplication. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@94.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:50] crimsun, I guess that is true, I am just trying to get my bearing around the Ubuntu side of things. So you guys out all the package requests in wnpp? [01:51] Or is that where people are told to request packages for Ubuntu too? [01:51] jsmidt: if the package doesn't already exist in Debian (also not in WNPP), then it makes sense to request in Debian first [01:52] people do also request in Ubuntu, but, personally, encouraging it to be filed in Debian first benefits all Debian-based distros === minghua wonders why the wiki editing page has a link to HelpOnFormatting but not HelpOnEditing [01:54] where can I report a bug against wiki? [01:54] isn't the wiki editable? [01:56] minghua: bug the doc team about it [01:56] there might be a reason for it [01:56] it's the same for wiki.debian.org AFAIK [01:56] probably a wiki default? [01:56] LaserJock: aren't you in the doc team? ;-) [01:57] crimsun: no, I am talking about the page with an editing window when you do the actual editing [01:57] I don't think that's a page can be edited by mortals [01:57] anyway that's a minor issue [01:58] minghua: yes, but I dont do a lot of wiki work [01:58] LaserJock, I am not sure how to interpret the results of the rdepends it contains a symbol similar to | does this mean an either or dependency or somthing? === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] hikenboot: most likely , | means or [02:07] crap, my edit got lost when I tried to preview and the preview page doesn't load and I pressed my browser back button === minghua curses slow net connection [02:08] are you on a nice 28.8 kbps dialup like I am? [02:08] yuck [02:08] I was on 28.8 at christmas === lupine_85 pats his 8Mbps BB [02:08] I could hardly even read my mail [02:08] "doesn't" is correct English, right? (xchat-gnome's spellchecker highlights it) [02:09] I'm now on 64kbps... Better than my 28.8 a two weeks ago. [02:09] minghua, yes, [02:09] yes it is [02:10] I am on a supposed "512 Kbps" DSL line [02:10] (I should really call my DSL company, the connection has been bad on and off for almost a month now) === imbrandon hugs his 8mb/1mb === LaserJock spears imbrandon from Reno [02:11] I think I'll move into a coffee shop w/ DSL [02:11] ;) === zul dos imbrandon 8mb/1mb === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] nooooooo heh [02:12] I think I'll do my wiki editing when I have a better connection [02:13] xchat-gnome says my lag is ~20s now [02:13] wow [02:13] thats nothin [02:14] i had up to 143 seconds a couple of times === lupine_85 can get 180 seconds then it restarts the conn [02:14] line is a bit flaky every now and again ;) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lupine_85 wonders if his package on revu needs ripping to shreds some more [02:20] heh...i feel good about this build [02:20] xen ? [02:20] yep 2.6.17 kernel === lupine_85 has a xen virtual server [02:20] nice [02:21] dapper guest OS :D [02:21] brb [02:21] edgy git as a base so we get all the nice little drivers and updates [02:22] btw, is there any specific reason why the motu mailing list is getting spammed so much? [02:22] it is? [02:22] or the revu list? [02:22] the revu one, sorry [02:23] e.g. 12:37 today - [Motu-reviewers] [-------] [02:23] ah yes, the revu one does seem to get a lot [02:24] maybe it's on Microsoft's ML hitlist [02:24] "what?!? we can't allow community contribution in Linux!" [02:24] ;-) [02:25] actually now I am looking at it, xchat-gnome resets the lag counter at 30s [02:25] lol [02:25] so I have no idea what that means [02:25] OH NO. [02:25] That last email on -devel... [02:26] LaserJock: i bet it has something to do with viagra [02:26] (which explains when my impression is that average lag is ~20s :-) [02:26] Fujitsu: the aliened OO.o one? [02:27] LaserJock, yeah. [02:28] ohh gawd [02:28] yeah, that's sure the way to not get flamed ;-) [02:28] on the -devel list no doubt [02:29] apt-cache rdepends ttf-bitstream-vera has an interesting chain of dependencies including openoffice [02:29] "who cares about updates? just alien your way to the lates crack" :-) === minghua recognizes the spam title :-) (it's Chinese) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:30] zul: no, it has nothing to do with viagra, or drugs in general === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-69-153-137-228.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] LaserJock: and the funny thing is , they probably dont have a "good" reason to update , other than "its a new version" [02:40] yes, I must confess I was much that way before I started working on Ubuntu [02:40] I always assumed the latest possible was the best [02:40] heh me too before not to long ago [02:41] its part of that MS seeping though [02:41] now that I see software/distro development in action I have a little better understanding of things === imbrandon likes new crack sometimes though ;) [02:43] when there is time to play with it === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] like kde4 on osx, its utterly useless for the most part, but its fun to see the compiler churn away ;) [02:44] well, I stopped "using" my Ubuntu computers about the time I became a MOTU [02:44] ;-) [02:44] hahaha [02:44] what do you use instead, then? [02:44] i keep one i "use" the rest are play machines ;) [02:44] well, I spend ~12 hrs of my day on OS X [02:45] but even if it was Ubuntu [02:45] I wouldn't "use" it really either [02:45] all I do is develop [02:45] my work doesn't really demand computer use [02:45] and I'm never home [02:45] heh [02:45] so the only reason I'm on a computer is to work on Ubuntu [02:46] from osx ;) [02:46] yep [02:46] hehe [02:46] ssh is your friend [02:46] but since I ssh into my Ubuntu boxen, I'm technically working on Ubuntu too [02:46] yea heh [02:46] I have one work computer that I have edgy on that I use for pbuilding [02:47] when i'm on osx its with a brower running and a terminal, everything else i run from ssh [02:47] browser* === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] well, I'm sad to say it in a way, but I really like OS X [02:47] Why do you guys use OS X? [02:47] Ah.. [02:47] Why? [02:48] I use OS X basically because my advisor bought everybody in the lab an iMac [02:48] Fujitsu: honestly? its a no hassle *nix box, stuff "just works" [02:48] and kinda expects us to use OS X [02:48] Ow.. [02:48] I'm probably more productive on OS X [02:49] ubuntu is very very very very close to just working though, but thats why we are here , to make it that way ;) [02:49] it's fast, looks nice, has all the features I need, lots of open source software [02:49] I'm far more productive on a Debian-based distro, because I'm at least partly familiar w/ its(their) quirks and workarounds [02:49] yeah [02:49] plus it gives you good perspective to use other os's once in a while [02:49] it's taken me 6months+ to get used to OS X [02:49] for instance, I don't even use bash completion; I just use asterisks [02:49] heh crimsun in that respect i'm lost on windows [02:50] well, windows is absolutely horrible at work [02:50] It's great, I can't bear to use Windows. The command-line functionality is almost NULL, and it's just so inflexible. [02:50] printing is aweful [02:50] networking isn't that great [02:50] yea printing SUCKS on any OS imho [02:50] Fujitsu: vastly improved w/ Vista's Monad (at least from reading the O'Reilly book) [02:51] crimsun, aha... I'm still not going to use it though :P [02:51] I'll gladly use it and putty. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] at least printing is a breeze with OS X and Ubuntu [02:51] with Windows it's a nightmare [02:51] LaserJock: please come setup my printer/network the hehe [02:52] i have all ubuntu and osx boxen and cant get printing to work the way i want for the fskin life of me [02:52] yeah, yeah [02:52] apparently I"m in some printing twilight zone [02:52] heh honestly i have given up on it [02:52] I've never had much luck with Windows printing [02:52] but with Ubuntu it's sooo easy [02:52] and OS X is second easiest [02:52] yea i dont like it on any os, its all tooo hard, should be to me just 2 clicks and done [02:53] Damn perl4caml FTBFSs too [02:53] well, it's more or less like that for me [02:53] LaserJock: do you share 1 printer and many boxes ? [02:53] yeah [02:53] hrm , i might pick your brain some other day [02:54] at work we have a laserjet with jet direct === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] serouisly i have given up on it, i tried for 3 weeks to get it right [02:54] at home I have a printer hooked up to my desktop [02:54] LaserJock, I've found they work really well. [02:54] imbrandon: mind if I direct a user running the dapper-backports of amarok 1.4.3 to you? [02:54] i can barely get the localcomputer to print [02:54] that I print to from my wireless laptop as well [02:54] crimsun: sure [02:56] imbrandon: what kind of printer do you have? [02:56] hp psc500 [02:56] really? [02:56] how odd [02:56] I've got a psc1210, works fine. [02:56] I've always stuck to HP printers and I've never had a problem [02:56] yea i get it to work localy but sharing sucks [02:56] I've got a psc1350 === lupine_85 strokes his psc2355 [02:57] i cant print from windows boxesn or osx or other ubuntu boxen [02:57] how odd [02:57] really ANY remomte [02:57] I can print from XP or Ubuntu to XP or Ubuntu [02:57] both machines dual-boot [02:57] wow [02:58] maybe its a kde printer setup thing [02:58] i dunno [02:58] hmm, could be [02:58] the box with the printer only runs kde [02:58] I think I've mostly set them up from the gnome config [02:58] I think it's a test for the raging ubuntuaholic MOTU [02:58] I actually need to set mine up in KDE [02:58] infact the only gnome install i have is a test breezy partition on a amd64 [02:58] heh [02:58] test? [02:59] it's called "The wife need to print her recipes NOW" [02:59] like I said, a test. :P [03:00] yep, the wife test [03:00] heheh [03:00] there is only 1 site that keeps me from Windows freedom [03:01] if you say it's Flash-based... [03:01] stupid topsecretrecipes.com [03:01] LaserJock: whats the url ? [03:01] flash [03:01] heh [03:01] Damn I'm having no luck with merges today :-( [03:01] bddebian: how? [03:01] well, I installed flash, but the site refuses to recognize it [03:01] crimsun: A lot of FTBFSs [03:02] bddebian: obviously you aren't working on the right merges ;-) [03:02] LaserJock: url ? [03:02] requires a newer version than we have [03:02] Flash 8+ [03:02] imbrandon: www.topsecretrecipes.com [03:03] crimsun: Not for perl4caml anyway [03:03] Oh, nm [03:03] crimsun: ah, is that the problem [03:03] LaserJock: No shix :-) [03:03]