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Fegisis it allowed to sell edubuntu-cd:s?01:16
LaserJockI wouldn't see why not01:27
Fegisokej, I heard somewhere that it wasn't allowed somehow...01:30
LaserJockhmm01:33
LaserJockwell I don't know for sure01:34
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cbx33gooooooooooood morning09:57
TeePOGmmm, someone got it all this morning09:59
TeePOGhi cbx33, how are you?09:59
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cbx33I'm goo TeePOG how are you10:06
cbx33ping ogra 10:06
TeePOGgoo? i also feel gooey this morning10:06
TeePOG^.^10:07
cbx33heheh10:07
TeePOGis everybody using xchat here?10:08
cbx33nope10:08
TeePOGoh yes, and bitchx of course...10:09
TeePOGjust wondering10:09
cbx33cgi-irc here10:09
cbx33some use irssi10:09
TeePOGahh ok10:09
TeePOGhow does cgi-irc work? never used it10:10
cbx33it's just a web based irc interface10:11
TeePOGok... no Java?10:11
TeePOGthat's the usual way10:11
cbx33no10:11
cbx33oh10:11
cbx33maybe10:11
TeePOGthat's cool... wait, cgi is part of php innit? /me hopes his ignorance isn't showing10:12
cbx33no cgi is somthing different10:12
TeePOGah10:12
cbx33but they are similar10:12
cbx33check out wikipedia ;)10:12
cbx33I don;t know the diff.....just that I use PHP10:12
cbx33and cgi is different10:13
TeePOGwill do... getting coffee first, it's ready :-D10:13
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TeePOGping cbx3310:47
TeePOGi have a question about IRC itself... this might be a weird question, but can i get the output from /list on this server, and grep inside it?10:48
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TeePOGmorning spacey11:10
spaceyhi 11:20
TeePOGhow goes it on this public holiday?11:23
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EmxBAyes, here11:25
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juliuxmorning EmxBA 11:26
EmxBAjuliux: oh, hi!11:26
EmxBAhow's ubuntu.juliux.de? have i done something wrong? bandwidth? :D11:27
juliuxEmxBA, everything is fine, i have 1,5GB traffic per month, and i have 40GB traffic for free11:28
cbx33hey EmxBA 11:28
EmxBAjuliux: ah, can you give me webalizer stats?11:28
EmxBAhi cbx3311:28
juliuxEmxBA, stats.juliux.de/ubuntu11:29
EmxBAok11:29
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ogracbx33, pong12:07
cbx33ogra: hi dude12:07
cbx332 questions12:08
ograshoot12:08
cbx331) should I add myself to the launchpad group for ubuntu-dev? 12:08
cbx33is that what I need to do for tomorrow12:08
ograyes12:08
ograand have your wikipage up to date with your contributions12:08
cbx33ok... will do....12:08
cbx33will you and rodarvus be there :S12:08
ogralikely12:08
ogradunno about rodarvus, i'm usually there12:09
cbx33I have also noticed a slight error in the scp package.... :( - it's to do with the mandatory gconf settings - I'm working up the fix now12:09
ograok12:09
cbx33Mithrandir is talking about freezing main and goign to manual approval mode12:09
ograkeep it as small as possible12:09
cbx33ogra: it is literally a typo12:10
cbx33user needs to be replaced with user/" + user +"12:10
ograthats ok, its only affecting edubuntu we'll get such things easily through12:10
cbx33ok, the last one is a change which I asked to be added to gconf12:10
ograi also have to work on the usplash graphics handling, something is wrong there12:10
cbx33it's so that our mandatory settings are piccked up12:10
cbx33seb128 said he was ok with it....and I had opened a bug12:11
cbx33it seems to have gotten lost somethwer12:11
ograbut apart from that our CD should have proper beta quality after the new debina-installer has built12:11
ograi did various test installs on the weekend12:11
cbx33:)12:11
cbx33I'm doing one now as we speak12:11
cbx33and my new machine is ready to be battered with test installs ;)12:11
ograif you have opened a bug, mark it with the edgy beta milestone12:11
ograso it shows up on the beta critical buglist12:12
cbx33well that's the thing...the bug doesn't see m to be there12:12
cbx33so I'll have to open it up again....but I will do that 12:12
cbx33thanks12:12
cbx33once edubuntu is installed I can create the fix12:12
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cbx33ogra: during the install d-i popped up and mentioned it couldn't find any interfaces and that I had to link to a static one after the install was completed12:22
cbx33but it then went on to ask me for proxy informaiton and appeared to scan the mirrors fine12:22
ogracbx33, we require two NICs for an ltsp install now 12:23
cbx33ah12:23
ograas the Testing page (topic) mentions 12:23
cbx33sorry :(12:23
ograif you only have one, it notifies you that somehint might go wrong if you dont touch your dhcp settings12:24
ogra*something12:24
cbx33I got a message about no interfaces available12:24
cbx33and that I had to link to a static device12:24
ograyes ...12:24
cbx33ok12:24
ograthe dhcp server needs a static device indeed12:24
ograsince you seem to only have one in that machine it warns you that the dhcp server cant be configured automatically12:25
cbx33ah right12:26
cbx33thanks ogra 12:26
cbx33how many knot releases will we have this time?12:26
ograif you have 3 (like me) it gives you a list to select the one for the thin client network12:26
ograknots are done12:26
cbx33whaaaA?12:27
cbx33we had 7 last time12:27
ograwe had 6 months last time12:27
ograinstead of 412:27
cbx33so after this is it beta12:27
cbx33and the release?12:27
ograin three days12:27
ogra(beta)12:27
ograhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule12:28
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cbx33ogra: installer seems fast12:31
cbx33how do updates aftyer that period work?12:33
ograyou mean after release ? 12:41
cbx33o after beta12:41
cbx33no12:41
cbx33after release is security only isn't it?12:41
cbx33or only critical bugs12:41
ograevery fix will be reviewed 12:41
ograno12:41
cbx33much like pitti did for main inclusion?12:41
ograCD critical bugs for example ...12:41
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TeePOGwb gnomefreak12:45
gnomefreakty TeePOG 12:46
cbx33bloody staff putting their entire music collection on their laptops.....taken me 2 hours and 6Gig so far grrrrrrrrrrrr12:46
TeePOGjust delete it, it's probably illegal anyway12:46
cbx33hehehe12:48
cbx33up to 7 Gb12:49
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jsgotangcorodarvus: dumb question heading your way02:59
jsgotangcorodarvus: can a ppc thin client boot to an i386 ltsp server?02:59
rodarvusif with 'boot' you only mean load the kernel from, then yes03:00
rodarvus(and mount filesystems, etc)03:00
rodarvusgenerally speaking, yes (definitive answer :) )03:01
rodarvusyou just need to be careful not to run any server binaries on the thin client, of course03:02
jsgotangcorodarvus: heh thats like impossible03:02
rodarvusyeah :)03:02
jsgotangcoi mean if you have a ppc client, obviously the desktop binaries won't run?03:02
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highvoltagewhat do you mean by 'desktop binaries'?03:03
highvoltagewould that be the binaries outside of the chroot?03:03
rodarvusthey will run if you you use a remote session (such as xdmcp)03:03
jsgotangcohighvoltage: would the chroot have the appropriate binaries right?03:04
rodarvusbut not if your session is local to the thin client03:04
highvoltagejsgotangco: yes03:04
jsgotangcohighvoltage: i mean have an i386 server, serve a ppc chroot03:04
highvoltagethere is a wiki page about it, I've forgotten where it is, but since dapper you can easily install PPC, amd64, or i386 chroots if the main system is something else03:04
highvoltagejsgotangco: yes, you can do that03:04
jsgotangcoyeah that's what im looking for03:04
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rodarvusone liner? :)03:05
rodarvusthink of a huge, monstruous, gigantic line03:06
jsgotangcolol03:06
highvoltageI *think* this is the wiki page I was looking for:03:06
highvoltagehttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup03:06
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highvoltagesorry, I think that's outdated documentation03:07
highvoltageit will work, but I think there is something easier now, that's closer to a one-liner03:07
highvoltageI haven't done it yet, since everyhing I work with is i386, which is why I'm not quite sure :/03:07
jsgotangcoi will to catch uncle jim or uncle scott later03:08
highvoltagegood idea :)03:08
rodarvusbrb03:08
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TeePOGhi again03:40
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lguerrahi03:44
lguerrajsgotangco, i was speaking with mhz about the event that is going to carry out in Pereira and I recommend me that spoke with Richard, your you have the nick of the or its mail?  03:46
jsgotangcolguerra: its RichEd03:46
lguerraok tks, 03:48
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lguerrajsgotangco: RichEd-1 = RichEd03:49
jsgotangcoyes he's probably away at the moment though03:49
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lguerrajsgotangco: Thanks, please recalls to mention the event in the EC for the official support, and that business about the recognition of the girls of the school in which I work.  03:51
jsgotangcolguerra: yes, can you send me an email reminder anytime jgotangco@ubuntu.com so i could work in on my todo list03:51
lguerrajsgotangco: ok. That you need that write you in the mail? or alone with mentioning you recall?03:54
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pygihey ho bddebian 03:56
bddebianHi pygi03:57
jsgotangcolguerra: just send what you need from us and I will relay it accordingly to the appropriate people04:05
lguerrajsgotangco: mail toc toc :D04:15
jsgotangcolguerra: i couldn't make much of the email you sent (don't worry about it), but can you also resend that in spanish? I can read a bit of spanish04:17
lguerraok04:18
lguerrajsgotangco: mucho mejor para mi 04:19
jsgotangcosi bonito mucho04:20
jsgotangcowahaha04:20
jsgotangcothere goes my spansih04:20
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pygiYagisan: ?! :)04:26
Yagisanany edgy users here ? - I'm trying to work out why my clients don't have a working mouse04:26
ograps2 ? usb ? 04:28
Yagisanps204:28
Yagisanhow have you been ogra ? heard you saw the ltsp guys04:28
ogracreate a rootpw, log in on the client and check if psmouse is loaded 04:28
ograand also, thats ldm, not xdmcp, right ? 04:29
Yagisanldm - yes.04:29
ograten the only thing i can imagine is psmouse missing04:29
Yagisanjust did a stand ltsp-build-client --dist edgy --arch i38604:29
ograif you build on edgy you dont need --dist :)04:29
YagisanI know - but I like to specify. I should look into why that bipassed my apt-cache thouh :(04:30
ograbecause it uses archive.ubuntu.com unless you specify --mirror04:31
Yagisanah04:31
jsgotangcoogra: dumb question, but did you do a wiki page for creating ltsp chroot for other arches?04:32
Yagisanjsgotangco, which arch ?04:32
jsgotangcoYagisan: say you have an i386 server with ppc clients04:32
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Yagisanjsgotangco, you hit the one combo I never got going04:32
jsgotangcodapper?04:33
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Yagisanjsgotangco, yeah dapper.04:34
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Yagisanogra, it says on boot - loading hardware drivers : failed04:34
Yagisanthat seems like a big fat hint to me04:35
lguerrajsgotangco: toc toc mail for you04:35
ograjsgotangco, yes, it was sucked over to help.ubuntu.com before i could finish it04:35
ograYagisan, that doesnt look like your chroot built ok ...04:35
ograadditionally there shouldnt be any text at all ...04:36
jsgotangcoogra: i was thinking its https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup but it doesn't seem complete at all04:36
ogranew usplash has no text output04:36
Yagisanogra, built it litterally 10 minutes ago04:36
ograjsgotangco, thats what i just said :)04:37
Yagisanogra, it's trying to load modules from 2.6.1504:37
Yagisanbut I don't have that kernel ...04:37
ograthats wrong04:37
Yagisan(amd64 server)04:37
ograand it finished with a "LTSP client installation completed successfully" ??04:38
Yagisanyep04:38
ograthat should have been the ast message you see in the terminal you built it in04:38
ograweird ...04:39
Yagisan`/opt/ltsp/i386/boot/nbi.img' -> `/var/lib/tftpboot//ltsp/i386/nbi.img'04:39
Yagisan`/opt/ltsp/i386/boot/nbi.img-2.6.17-9-386' -> `/var/lib/tftpboot//ltsp/i386/nbi.img-2.6.17-9-386'04:39
Yagisaninfo: LTSP client installation completed successfully04:39
ograand you saw it installing a kernel ? 04:39
Yagisanlast 3 lines from building it ^^04:39
Yagisanyep04:39
ograright04:39
ograand you didnt install on top of an old chroot ?04:39
Yagisanno04:39
YagisanI'll blow it away again04:39
Yagisan--mirror to piint to my local right ?04:40
ograi wonder where it gets the idea about 2.6.15 from04:40
ograyes04:40
ograoooh04:40
ogradont wipe it04:40
ografix your dhcpd.conf ... to point to /ltsp/i386 ;)04:41
ograltsp-server should have asked you if you want to replace it ...04:41
ogra(its a conffile)04:41
ografilename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"04:42
ograor filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";04:42
ograas you like (we support etherboot natively now)04:42
Yagisano_O04:42
Yagisanoh well - its wiped now04:42
ograto sad04:42
Yagisanogra, it's cached04:43
Yagisanjust the unpack time04:43
ograbut from a local mirror it should only tke 10mins 04:43
ograright04:43
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ogracbx33, we'll need a proper 640x480 usplash pic ... i only scaled the indexed one (looks awful) ... afetr beta release ...04:44
ogra*after04:44
cbx33ogra: ok04:44
cbx33this small probelm with pessulus/scp has turned into a bigger one04:44
ograi was fearing to break the color palette, thus i didnt make it rgb for scaling ...04:44
ograoh ?04:45
cbx33if you set a non mandatory key - and then load the lockdown back up again04:45
cbx33it is missing04:45
cbx33unles.......oooh hang on04:45
Yagisanogra, I have filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"; already in my dhcpd.conf04:45
cbx33nope broken04:45
cbx33if I just run sudo pessulus04:45
ograYagisan, make that "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";04:45
cbx33and tick a box, close it and load it04:45
cbx33the box is ticked again04:46
cbx33if I do it through scp - that doesn't work04:46
jsgotangcois it safe to say that we now have sabayon, pessulus and scp but scp is favored?04:46
cbx33the only difference is the way in which the gconf engine is initialised04:46
cbx33it sets the keys fine04:46
cbx33but it doesn't bloody read them when I re-load the lockdown04:46
cbx33it's stupid04:46
cbx33I can't undersstand it04:46
cbx33I'm going to go home now and try to figure it out in my head04:47
cbx33I'm really really so sorry guys04:47
cbx33I'll get to the bottom of it04:47
cbx33I promise04:47
cbx33they are both using the get_bool04:47
cbx33both structures look identical04:47
cbx33except one was created using one gcon_get_default....and the other a different way04:48
cbx33I'm going to start punching the monitor in a minute04:48
cbx33heheh04:48
Yagisanthank you ogra - that worked. They can log in now. now to add Japanese to the language options, and hopefully make them all distcc nodes04:50
ograheh, you and your japanese :)04:51
pygiogra: ;)04:52
Yagisanogra, it's essential to my health and well being04:53
Yagisanogra, just install the lang packs in the chroot right ?04:53
ograshould work ...04:53
Yagisanfamous last words ?04:55
Yagisanthats what I said 3 days ago when I decided to upgrade to edgy ogra04:55
pygiYagisan: ^_^05:02
jsgotangcolguerra: ok i understand now what you meant on recognition of the girls in school05:06
lguerrajsgotangco: you recall that I told you that some girls of the school where I work they had participated actively in the translation, that serious interesting to do them a recognition on the part of Edubuntu, are 15-year-old girls and serious very motivating for them this05:08
jsgotangcoyes05:08
lguerraYour you said that were going to mention it in EC to see the feasibility to do some certificates or a letter or something, so that they conserve.  I would be able them to print to deliver them to him in a special act.  05:10
lguerrajsgotangco: pardon, I did not read well what you told me, all this was not necessary: (05:12
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cbx33I can't see what's wrong with that code05:13
cbx33and I can't check it from here either05:13
cbx33it's very very odd05:14
cbx33ogra: can you confirm05:14
ograno idea05:14
ograi'm busy with the CDs05:14
cbx33just so that I can rule out my crazy machine05:14
cbx33ok05:14
cbx33np05:14
cbx33how is that going?05:14
ograwhat exactly should i do ? 05:14
cbx33heh, if you load scp - with a client connected05:15
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cbx33and use lockdown05:15
cbx33you should tick the boxes, but don't choose the padlocks05:15
cbx33close it.  wait a few minutes and load again...you will see those boxes are no longer ticked05:15
cbx33however, if you just run sudo pessulus and do the same....it will work fine05:16
ograright05:16
cbx33and I cannot see the problem05:16
ograits not ticked05:16
cbx33it will write the key though, if you check the xml gconf files05:16
ograwell, i checked "lock screen" and i'm still able to05:17
cbx33it's just not reading them in again......yet it uses exactly the same functions as it normally would05:17
cbx33ogra: through pessulus, or scp?05:17
ograSCP05:17
cbx33I can't understand this it was tested and tested05:17
cbx33something must have changed somewhere05:18
cbx33oh btw if you use mandatory keys, it works fine05:18
ogradid you revert anything in a former upload ? missing bzr commit before bzr export or something05:19
cbx33just to add some more strangeness05:19
cbx33no05:19
cbx33I diff'ed to check and it's all fine05:19
cbx33don't worry....I will find the problem even if it kills me05:19
pygiogra: libburn 0.2.4 looks nice for before UDS, but I won't make any promises :)05:22
ograpygi, cool !05:22
ograi'll take that as a promise :P05:22
pygiogra: I knew it, lol :)05:22
ogra:)05:22
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Yagisanso - anyone here gotten any local apps running ?05:30
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paolob-parroquiahi guy!06:04
pygihello paolob-parroquia 06:04
paolob-parroquiaI changed the ip address of the dhcp pool, all was ok, but after rebooting the server nobody can enter gnome on the clients. Should I run some more script or service? thank you06:05
paolob-parroquiahi pygi 06:05
paolob-parroquiahi mdz 06:06
paolob-parroquiasome ssh-related stuff...?06:06
pygipaolob-parroquia: yup06:07
pygiltsp-update-sshkeys06:07
paolob-parroquiapygi, yup? what is it?06:07
pygiI think :)06:07
pygipaolob-parroquia: read above :)06:08
paolob-parroquiapygi, ah, ok... let me see...06:08
paolob-parroquiapygi, ok, it works, thank you very much!!!!06:09
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pygihello RichEd and cbx33 06:15
cbx33hey pygi 06:16
pygicbx33: tried sms-ing me?06:17
cbx33nope....i can do now06:17
pygioki :)06:18
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cbx33pygi, do we have a size for the cookbook06:19
pygiwb paolob-parroquia 06:20
paolob-parroquiahi ogra06:20
paolob-parroquiaogra06:20
paolob-parroquiaogra, what about the patch to gnome-power-manager?06:20
pygicbx33: same as all other books on Lulu. you should ask #ubuntu-docs people about size, or poke Lulu about it06:20
cbx33pygi, is that th international code for your country??06:20
pygiyes, it includes international code06:20
paolob-parroquiapygi, do you know anything of gnome-power-manager and the patch ogra was testing?06:20
cbx33hmmm didn't work06:20
pygipaolob-parroquia: not much I can tell you, no, sorry06:21
ograpaolob-parroquia, edgy is taking all my time currently ...06:21
pygicbx33: sec06:21
paolob-parroquiawhen is edgy scheduled for release?06:21
cbx33pygi, sent06:22
ogratomorrow in four weeks06:22
ograbeta release is in 3 days06:22
pygicbx33: I see it, what was wrong?06:22
cbx33i didnt need the 00 at the start06:22
pygioh, you needed + then :)06:22
cbx33pygi, you can choose a size on lulu06:22
cbx33has anyone decided on a size yet?06:22
pygicbx33: ah, no, not really06:22
cbx33might be an idea ;)06:23
pygiindeed ;)06:23
cbx33since lisa needs to start on cover06:23
pygihm, sec, lemme look all other ubuntu books on lulu06:23
cbx33ok06:24
paolob-parroquiaogra, but will gnome-power-manager patch be in edgy?06:24
cbx33anyone know how to sort out a stuffit archive file in linux?06:25
pygicbx33: 7.44" x 9.68"06:25
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ograpaolob-parroquia, its in since 2 weeks06:26
ograi just dont have the time to set up a dapper box to build and test it ... else it would already be in dapper as well 06:26
paolob-parroquiacbx33, http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Apps/stuffit-archives.html says you're out of luck06:26
cbx33paolob-parroquia, damn it06:27
paolob-parroquiaogra, but another guy was going to build it, isn't it?06:27
ogradunno 06:28
cbx33ogra, this totally doesn;t make sense any more06:29
cbx33heh06:29
cbx33it's picking up some true vaues that I don;t even know where they come from06:29
paolob-parroquiacbx33, did you recompile gnome-power-manager for dapper with ogra's hibernation patch?06:30
cbx33i tested the build 06:32
cbx33and ogra said that was cool06:32
cbx33beyond that I know not what happened06:32
paolob-parroquiacbx33, but do you have the patched gnome-power-manager package ready? 06:34
cbx33i wasn't aware I was supposed to06:34
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mario__cbx33: sorry, bad dsl again :p06:35
cbx33heh06:35
mario__lemme try now06:36
paolob-parroquiacbx33, do you mean you lost it?06:36
cbx33no, I mean last time I did something on that, ogra said job done and so I persued no further..... ogra am I the idiot here?06:37
ogracbx33, no06:38
cbx33*phew*06:38
ograi wanted to know if the patch applies in a dapper pbuilder which you had proven06:38
ograbut i'm simply to busy atm to care for dapper updates now ...06:38
paolob-parroquiacbx33, but if I could get the patched package... wouldn't it be possible?06:39
ograbut anyone can just throw in the patch from the edgy package and rebuild the dapper one ... will work flawless06:39
mario__cbx33: got it?06:40
cbx33paolob-parroquia, I'd help you out, but at the moment I have a problem in a package which won't go away06:40
cbx33mario__, what?06:40
paolob-parroquiacbx33, ok, I'll ask you further, ok?06:40
mario__cbx33: the sms :P06:40
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cbx33no :(06:41
mario__cbx33: seems I can't send it :(06:41
cbx33awww sux06:41
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LaserJockhi cbx33 07:13
cbx33hi LaserJock 07:27
cbx33brb07:28
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EmxBAhello07:51
cbx33ping ogra I have found the issue08:28
cbx33but not sure why it is an issue08:29
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cbx33bbl09:01
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Amaranthogra: ping?09:47
LaserJockAmaranth: heh, I did that last time09:55
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