[07:49] <LaserJock> anybody around?
[08:10] <nixternal> whats up
[08:10] <LaserJock> this Russian thing
[08:10] <nixternal> there are mad Russians wanting to crusht he doc team
[08:10] <nixternal> haha
[08:10] <LaserJock> on the ML
[08:10] <nixternal> yes
[08:11] <nixternal> i looked at this previously...im not 100% sure on how to fix the issue, but I can look at it a little more if need be
[08:11] <nixternal> their issue is legit, as the bug has been posted for a while now
[08:12] <LaserJock> right
[08:12] <LaserJock> but mdke has been the only one building .pdfs
[08:12] <LaserJock> and even if we *could* build them, I don't know that anyof us can update the website
[08:12] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure
[08:13] <nixternal> ahh, well we might be able to ping newz2000 and see if he can, and I thought imbrandon had some website admin credentials as well
[08:14] <LaserJock> well, if we can figure out the fonts we could give it a shot
[08:16] <nixternal> hmm..you know what i tried previously, was getting them to help me out..i went into the channel and asked if someone could build it local there so the fonts would work, and then send me the pdf file...they ignored me
[08:19] <LaserJock> :/
[08:19] <LaserJock> well, was nobody around?
[08:19] <LaserJock> maybe you could reply to this guy on the list
[08:19] <nixternal> they were around because they were talking to one another
[08:19] <LaserJock> ah
[08:19] <LaserJock> at least it shows we aren't ignoring him
[08:19] <LaserJock> even if we can't get it done immediately
[08:20] <nixternal> i set the importance on that bug to low, because it is...i understand them taking that the wrong way, because if you don't understand the bug system, then low is like hey, you don't think this bug is important
[08:21] <LaserJock> well, I usually just use medium unless I  know it's wishlist so I don't get anybody mad at me ;-)
[08:21] <LaserJock> does the HTML look ok?
[08:21] <nixternal> im going to look now
[08:22] <LaserJock> I don't even know exactly how to get there
[08:22] <nixternal> title>  </title>
[08:22] <nixternal> the xml is good
[08:22] <nixternal> it validates..which i know..i did all of the translations for dapper last month
[08:24] <nixternal> it looks like mdke is the only one who can
[08:25] <nixternal> nixternal@MasTequila:~/Ubuntu/Documentation/repos/dapper/kubuntu$ make desktop-pdf-ru
[08:25] <nixternal> xsltproc --xinclude -o ../build/pdf/kubuntu/ru/desktopguide.fo ../libs/pdf/ubuntu-pdf.xsl desktopguide/ru/desktopguide.xml
[08:25] <nixternal> warning: failed to load external entity "/home/matt/tmp/docbook-xsl-snapshot/fo/docbook.xsl"
[08:25] <nixternal> compilation error: file ../libs/pdf/ubuntu-pdf.xsl line 11 element import
[08:25] <nixternal> xsl:import : unable to load /home/matt/tmp/docbook-xsl-snapshot/fo/docbook.xsl
[08:25] <nixternal> make: *** [desktop-pdf-ru]  Error 5
[08:25] <nixternal> xsl:import is looking for his home dir
[08:25] <nixternal> ubuntu pdf make doesn't even work
[08:26] <LaserJock> of course not ;-)
[08:28] <LaserJock> ok, the HTML is fine on help.ubuntu.com
[08:29] <LaserJock> so right now it's only the .pdfs that are messed up
[08:29] <LaserJock> I really don't see that as a huge deal
[08:29] <nixternal> ohh..ya, sorry, i read that wrong when you said that earlier
[08:29] <nixternal> it isn't, hence low ;)
[08:29] <LaserJock> their translation isn't wasted
[08:29] <LaserJock> it's just not in *all* forms
[08:34] <LaserJock> uggg
[08:34] <LaserJock> nixternal: do you want to email them or shall I? :/
[08:34] <nixternal> you can ;)
[08:34] <LaserJock> darn
[08:34] <nixternal> lol
[08:34] <LaserJock> rock-paper-scissors?
[08:34] <nixternal> if needbe, i will do it ;)
[08:34] <nixternal> hahah
[08:34] <nixternal> 1
[08:34] <nixternal> 2
[08:34] <nixternal> 3
[08:34] <nixternal> rock
[08:34] <LaserJock> doh
[08:34] <nixternal> cheater
[08:34] <LaserJock> I wasn't ready ;-)
[08:34] <LaserJock> ok
[08:35] <nixternal> 1
[08:35] <nixternal> 2
[08:35] <nixternal> 3
[08:35] <nixternal> paper
[08:35] <LaserJock> darn it
[08:35] <nixternal> hahah
[08:35] <LaserJock> ok
[08:35] <LaserJock> now
[08:35] <nixternal> 1
[08:35] <nixternal> 2
[08:35] <nixternal> 3
[08:35] <LaserJock> rock
[08:35] <nixternal> rock
[08:35] <LaserJock> doh
[08:35] <LaserJock> I'm doing it
[08:35] <nixternal> [13:35:26]  <nixternal> rock
[08:35] <nixternal> [13:35:35]  <LaserJock> rock
[08:35] <nixternal> 9 seconds
[08:35] <LaserJock> lag
[08:36] <LaserJock> anyway
[08:36] <LaserJock> do you think they'd be able to produce a .pdf?
[08:36] <nixternal> nope
[08:36] <nixternal> the makefile is broken
[08:36] <LaserJock> ok
[08:36] <nixternal> if that can get fixed, so we can reproduce a pdf, we are golden
[08:42] <nixternal> <xsl:import href="/home/matt/tmp/docbook-xsl-snapshot/fo/docbook.xsl"/>
[08:42] <nixternal> i don't think that should be in svn for a make
[08:42] <nixternal> that is the libs/pdf/ubuntu-pdf.xsl file
[08:43] <nixternal> that is why Kubuntu make keeps crashing out
[08:43] <nixternal> i think <xsl:import href="/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/fo/docbook.xsl"/> is the correct way maybe
[08:44] <nixternal> fixed ;)
[08:44] <nixternal> nope
[08:44] <nixternal> arg
[08:47] <nixternal> i need FOP
[08:47] <nixternal> wtheck is that at
[08:48] <LaserJock> that's the java thing that turns it into pdf
[08:48] <LaserJock> it's a little more complicated then that, but that's mostly it
[08:48] <LaserJock> email sent
[08:48] <nixternal> how do i get it so i can run this makefile then?
[08:48] <LaserJock> google fop
[08:48] <LaserJock> ;-)
[08:49] <nixternal> im there
[08:49] <nixternal> Apache FOP is the closest
[08:49] <LaserJock> yep
[08:49] <nixternal> otherwise the rest is Fraternal Order of Police
[08:49] <LaserJock> it's non-free and very difficult to use
[08:49] <nixternal> lovely
[08:49] <LaserJock> but it's basically the only way to do it currently
[08:50] <LaserJock> that's why only mdke was doing it
[08:50] <LaserJock> I tried once
[08:51] <nixternal> heh, then i shall try
[08:51] <nixternal> it would be nice to package this ;)
[08:51] <nixternal> hint hint
[08:59] <nixternal> i see why the pdf is broke
[08:59] <nixternal> WARNING: The contents of row 1 are taller than they should be (there is a block-progression-dimension or height constraint on the indicated row). Due to its contents the row grows to 16500 millipoints, but the row shouldn't get any taller than MinOptMax[min=opt=max=14000]  millipoints. (fo:table-row, location: 578/5796)
[09:00] <LaserJock> nixternal: we can't package it, that's the problem
[09:00] <nixternal> ya
[09:01] <nixternal> well it is easy enough to install...i just extracted it, copied it to /opt and created a link in /usr/bin
[09:01] <nixternal> works fine
[09:01] <LaserJock> you can now make the pdfs?
[09:01] <nixternal>  ya
[09:01] <LaserJock> cool
[09:01] <nixternal> but
[09:01] <LaserJock> mdke is the man
[09:01] <nixternal> that error is the reason the russian pdf is messed up
[09:02] <nixternal> i get the same output as what is on the website
[09:02] <LaserJock> ok, so can you try doing a russian one I guess and see if it, by some weirdness, works
[09:03] <LaserJock> k
[09:04] <nixternal> need to figure out how to expand the row contents
[09:10] <LaserJock> nixternal: what do you think of my email?
[09:10] <nixternal>  heh, i researched that error and guess what
[09:10] <nixternal> matt east is the only one on the internet to post anything about it
[09:10] <LaserJock> of course
[09:10] <LaserJock> he's not a lazy guy
[09:11] <LaserJock> I know for the Asian fonts he worked with the fop devs to fix things and get it to work
[09:13] <nixternal> excellent email!
[09:13] <LaserJock> ok
[09:16] <LaserJock> nixternal: perhaps you could follow up your email with your findings (error and there is no reference online other than Matt's)
[09:16] <nixternal> im working that through now
[10:58] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[11:27] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[11:27] <jjesse> sorry on vacation this week, so don't know how much i'll be around :)
[11:27] <LaserJock> shesh
[11:28] <LaserJock> everybody's doing it, I might as well
[11:28] <jjesse> grin 
[11:29] <nixternal> not much going on except trying to get the russian pdf's to use cyrillic
[11:30] <nixternal> this is starting to drive me nuts...i don't think it is fop either