| imbrandon | see i wish i had the time to monitor the forum and spot "bug reports" and lock/delete the thread and ask them to file a bug report | 12:09 |
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| imbrandon | that would help sigifgantly | 12:09 |
| Fujitsu | See, I wish forum users were sane and didn't use it as a bug tracker. | 12:10 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu: exactly | 12:10 |
| Fujitsu | Oh look, it even says up the top: | 12:10 |
| Fujitsu | Please note developers are not very active here. If you wish to file a bug report please do so here. | 12:10 |
| Fujitsu | Where `here' is a link | 12:10 |
| imbrandon | but a good modirator that would stiffle it a few times and it would become the norm | 12:10 |
| imbrandon | but its not | 12:10 |
| imbrandon | instead there posted there, ignored by us and given "hacks" to "fix" it that later becomes a big problem | 12:11 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: they ignore that repeatedly | 12:11 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, I noticed :P | 12:11 |
| ivoks | maybe if they add an icon for "here"... | 12:12 |
| ivoks | :) | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | or a big RED <h1>here</h1> | 12:13 |
| ivoks | nah... malone is iconless | 12:13 |
| ivoks | it wouldn't work | 12:13 |
| Fujitsu | Maybe if they took up half the posting window with a big, red, flashing `DON'T POST BUG REPORTS HERE, DIMWITS' | 12:13 |
| Fujitsu | Then, and only then, will they see it. | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu: and ignore it | 12:13 |
| Fujitsu | Probably. | 12:14 |
| LaserJock | shesh | 12:14 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 12:14 |
| ivoks | :)) | 12:14 |
| LaserJock | the thing is, I confess, I was a forum person. That's how I got introduced to Ubuntu | 12:15 |
| ivoks | just imagine how many forum posts you would need for this type of conversation... | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | heh | 12:15 |
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| ivoks | well, it was fun, now it's time to kill the eye | 12:15 |
| ivoks | i wish you happy flaming and ranting | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 12:16 |
| Fujitsu | Hah. | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | heh | 12:16 |
| ivoks | try to do some work while taking a break :) | 12:16 |
| === Fujitsu looks for more bugs to fix. | ||
| Fujitsu | Anybody got any ideas? | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | heh | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | nah we're all just voicing our opinions, i think we all adult enough to know its nothing personal | 12:16 |
| ivoks | 'night | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | gnight ivoks | 12:16 |
| Fujitsu | 'night | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | brb food time | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | maybe it's just me. I just feel these community interaction issues are pretty important | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | maybe I should just vent to jono ;-) | 12:17 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, they are very important. | 12:17 |
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| === Fujitsu taps packages.qa.debian.org. | ||
| Fujitsu | Wakey wakey.. | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | heh | 12:24 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: lists.d.o is awol as well | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | does packages.qa.debian.org work well in CLI browsers? | 12:24 |
| zul | maybe it got hacked again | 12:24 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, I noticed. | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | :( | 12:24 |
| ajmitch | hm, that's master.. | 12:25 |
| === ajmitch gets asked for a password | ||
| ajmitch | and it should have my ssh key on there | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | heh, DDs get to have all the cool stuff | 12:26 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah, those evil evil uber-privileged things :P | 12:26 |
| ajmitch | " master accounts temporarily disabled" | 12:26 |
| ajmitch | from #d-d topic | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | yikes | 12:27 |
| Fujitsu | Fantastic. | 12:27 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 12:27 |
| Fujitsu | Master accounts, though? What are they? | 12:27 |
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| LaserJock | could that be a normal thing? or does that indicate a hack? | 12:27 |
| Fujitsu | `APT IS BORKED!!!' | 12:27 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: it's not particularly normal, could be hardware | 12:27 |
| Bazzi | ohnoes! | 12:27 |
| Fujitsu | What is a master account? | 12:27 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: master.debian.org | 12:28 |
| Fujitsu | That's not very useful, as connection is refused... What is master.debian.org? | 12:28 |
| imbrandon | heh would help if it came up | 12:28 |
| LaserJock | ok, so out of lynx, elinks, and w3m which do you guys prefer | 12:29 |
| Fujitsu | elinks. | 12:29 |
| === LaserJock is trying his best to keep us OT ;-) | ||
| imbrandon | i like elinks | 12:29 |
| imbrandon | hahaha | 12:29 |
| === imbrandon is the master of -motu OT | ||
| LaserJock | I'm not really | 12:29 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to work on better development efficiency | 12:30 |
| LaserJock | as I have decided that I must be the slowest MOTU alive | 12:30 |
| imbrandon | lol | 12:31 |
| Fujitsu | No you're not. I haven't seen all 53 MOTUs in this channel at all, let alone recently. :P | 12:31 |
| tseng | there are 53 now? | 12:31 |
| tseng | holy crap | 12:31 |
| tseng | im going to stop vouching for people | 12:31 |
| tseng | once it was like me, ajmitch, ogra, dholbach | 12:31 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 12:32 |
| tseng | dholbach did all the work | 12:32 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu: just becosue someone wasent on irc dosent mean they arent active ;) | 12:32 |
| ajmitch | tseng: I don't bother supporting people unless I worked with them a bit | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | ahh, the good old days | 12:32 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, true... But I haven't seen uploads from most of them either. | 12:32 |
| zul | ajmitch: you never supported me ;( | 12:32 |
| ajmitch | tseng: don't forget crimsun | 12:32 |
| tseng | yeah | 12:32 |
| ajmitch | makes us feel old, and ubuntu has only been round awhile | 12:33 |
| Fujitsu | Ooh, nice. | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | the interesting thing is you guys still to much of the work | 12:33 |
| tseng | I am old | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | s/to/do/ | 12:33 |
| Fujitsu | I can tell Thunderbird to order by sender, and then group by sender, so I get a list of all the people who have uploaded packages. | 12:33 |
| ajmitch | tseng: 41 people in core-dev now | 12:34 |
| ajmitch | zul: yeah well.. | 12:34 |
| zul | hehe.. | 12:34 |
| tseng | ajmitch: well | 12:35 |
| tseng | ajmitch: jdub is still in there for example | 12:35 |
| imbrandon | jdub quit canonical , not core dev | 12:35 |
| tseng | lamont, mako | 12:35 |
| ajmitch | chmj | 12:35 |
| tseng | imbrandon: he wouldnt be in there if not for working at canonical at the begining | 12:36 |
| tseng | nor mako | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | chris halls hasn't done anything on ubuntu for a long time | 12:36 |
| tseng | i dont even remember that name | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | haggai | 12:36 |
| tseng | oh | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | was around very early on | 12:36 |
| LaserJock | he worked on Kubuntu, no? | 12:36 |
| tseng | not since wart | 12:36 |
| tseng | y | 12:36 |
| Fujitsu | Never heard of him. | 12:36 |
| tseng | he was doing openoffice at the begining | 12:36 |
| tseng | and was supposed to lead motu | 12:37 |
| imbrandon | haggai was kubuntu guy way way back | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | no wonder he's gone | 12:37 |
| tseng | yeah | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | he's around, just not active, I think | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | we probably have more inactive MOTUs | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | like people that haven't been seen for a year | 12:37 |
| imbrandon | that and memberships are only 2 years, so alot will expire soon if they dont renew | 12:37 |
| === ajmitch checks his coredev membership | ||
| tseng | in another year | 12:38 |
| tseng | there were no motus in warty | 12:38 |
| tseng | mdz and seb128 uploaded for me | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | and membership is from when they started using launchpad | 12:38 |
| imbrandon | yea it might be good to have them yearly instead of 2 years, but honestly i dont see it hurting anything | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | 2005-09-07 | 12:38 |
| tseng | imbrandon: gpg keys floating around is hurting something | 12:39 |
| tseng | see Debian | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | well, so I've been core dev for more than a year & I didn't realise | 12:39 |
| imbrandon | tseng: true | 12:39 |
| tseng | ajmitch: how do you check that | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-core-dev/+members | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | yours is dated from the start of using LP | 12:40 |
| tseng | oh | 12:40 |
| nixternal | ajmitch: sign me up! haha, i couldn't dev/package my way out of a wet paperbag ;) | 12:40 |
| tseng | clever | 12:40 |
| Fujitsu | I think yearly might be a better idea, as a lot can happen in two years... | 12:40 |
| tseng | expires 2007-06-06 | 12:40 |
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| LaserJock | nixternal: lol | 12:40 |
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| === imbrandon expires 2008-09-10 | ||
| === Fujitsu doesn't expire, as hasn't been approved yet. Win. | ||
| tseng | nice | 12:41 |
| Fujitsu | I | 12:41 |
| Fujitsu | *I don't expire! Yay. | 12:41 |
| imbrandon | lol | 12:41 |
| nixternal | Brandon Holtsclaw 2006-09-09 2008-09-10 Approved | 12:41 |
| nixternal | that is scarey | 12:42 |
| nixternal | i think there is a typo there ;) | 12:42 |
| imbrandon | yup a whole 15 days as core now | 12:42 |
| Fujitsu | After one month in -dev, that was really impressive. | 12:42 |
| imbrandon | ok time to do some RL stuff, bbiab | 12:42 |
| nixternal | im done with RL, it just isn't as satisfying as FL | 12:43 |
| Fujitsu | FL? | 12:44 |
| === ajmitch needs to find some spare time before freeze | ||
| Fujitsu | Fake Life? | 12:44 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, why? | 12:44 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: to get stuff done, of course | 12:44 |
| Fujitsu | Ubuntu stuff? | 12:44 |
| Fujitsu | Who needs spare time.. | 12:45 |
| ajmitch | yes, ubuntu stuff | 12:46 |
| ajmitch | that's why I said freeze | 12:46 |
| Fujitsu | True. | 12:46 |
| Fujitsu | It could have just been NZ freezing over :P | 12:46 |
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| ajmitch | fwiw, I was right about master.d.o | 12:51 |
| ajmitch | just had a hardware upgrade | 12:51 |
| tseng | ajmitch: beagle is beating f-spot on bugs now, btw | 12:52 |
| tseng | :P | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | yay | 12:53 |
| tseng | about the same number of "zomg crash!!!!1" | 12:53 |
| tseng | my favorite is still bug 34074 | 12:54 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 34074 in f-spot "Dapper becomes unstable when disk full after f-spot import" [Low,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34074 | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | oh yes | 12:54 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks, crimsun. | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | about the only valid part of that is that f-spot could check for free space | 12:55 |
| tseng | so could 'touch' | 12:55 |
| tseng | or 'xuath' | 12:55 |
| tseng | xauth | 12:55 |
| tseng | got bit by that the other day | 12:55 |
| Fujitsu | Hahah, yes. | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | does importing create a copy? | 12:55 |
| tseng | yes of course | 12:55 |
| tseng | off a camera | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | except that f-spot tends to copy a few hundred MB of photos | 12:55 |
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| ajmitch | so it'd be 'friendly' to warn | 12:56 |
| tseng | it can also copy to its own dir | 12:56 |
| LaserJock | tseng: but if you had it somewhere else on you drive | 12:56 |
| tseng | ala itunes | 12:56 |
| tseng | LaserJock: it can | 12:56 |
| ajmitch | hence why the bug is low priority | 12:56 |
| ajmitch | should probably be wishlist | 12:56 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I noticed that in iTunes the other day | 12:56 |
| === ajmitch retitles bug | ||
| LaserJock | I was wondering why I seemed to have twice the diskusage I should have | 12:56 |
| LaserJock | and then I found I had 2 copies of all my music | 12:57 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, I love that, although I haven't used iTunes in years. | 12:57 |
| === imbrandon hugs iTunes | ||
| ajmitch | bug 34074 | 12:58 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 34074 in f-spot "F-Spot does not warn user if the free space is low before importing photos" [Low,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34074 | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | long title | 12:58 |
| Fujitsu | Good, good. | 12:58 |
| crimsun | I dislike the fact that I have to jump through hoops to listen to songs I buy from iTMS. | 12:58 |
| imbrandon | crimsun: heh true, burn to cd-rw , re-rip | 12:59 |
| crimsun | ick, no. | 12:59 |
| LaserJock | I don't get music online so I've never had to worry about that | 12:59 |
| LaserJock | what does it do? | 01:00 |
| crimsun | while I was still able to purchase using iTunes 5.0.1, I used jHymn 0.9.2 to strip the DRM. With the introduction of iTunes 7, Apple locked out previous versions. Now I have to use QTFairuse6 2.4+. | 01:00 |
| Fujitsu | Or you could just not use iTMS. | 01:00 |
| crimsun | true, but paying 3x the amount for CDs doesn't seem very economical either | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | exactly | 01:01 |
| Fujitsu | True... | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | itunes isnt all bad, they had to do the drm to get the riaa off their ass, now it bit them ( the price wars ) | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | but itues and itv are very nice | 01:01 |
| crimsun | (and again, I made that tradeoff, so I'm willing to live with its "shackle" ramifications) | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | crimsun: what do you use to purchase itms songs on linux ? anything? | 01:02 |
| crimsun | I don't. I reboot into Windows. | 01:03 |
| crimsun | iTunes doesn't need to pollute my Linux partition kthx. | 01:03 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: well i found out my packages does not allow you to upgrade lol | 01:03 |
| imbrandon | to teach myself pyqt i started making a itunes clone ( not that we need another music player etc etc etc , its a learning experince ) | 01:03 |
| joejaxx | crimsun: haha :P | 01:03 |
| imbrandon | so i was just curious | 01:03 |
| Fujitsu | What does `Pending' as a package release status mean? | 01:04 |
| imbrandon | no idea | 01:05 |
| Fujitsu | Hm. | 01:05 |
| Fujitsu | It's `Published' now, so I presume it just means that Publisher has seen it, but hasn't actually looked at it. | 01:06 |
| Fujitsu | 'cause it had no date/time either. | 01:06 |
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| crimsun | bah, I can't be arch-specific with dh_install -si --fail-missing . :( | 01:07 |
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| Fujitsu | What does the number in brackets after `Pending' in the to-be-built list mean? | 02:12 |
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| Q-FUNK | Fujitsu: packages in the queue before that one? | 02:21 |
| Fujitsu | I don't believe so, as there aren't that many in the queue. | 02:22 |
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| Q-FUNK | where is the queue visible, btw? | 02:22 |
| Fujitsu | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue | 02:22 |
| === Q-FUNK is wondering what's takign so long with the sync | ||
| Fujitsu | Gah. There are ~328 buildd-minutes of language packs in the queue... And since they're only building on the two i386 buildds, they're going to be blocking things for ages :( | 02:23 |
| Fujitsu | Q-FUNK, Tuesdays and Fridays are archive days. | 02:23 |
| Q-FUNK | indeed | 02:23 |
| Q-FUNK | and it was acked a while back already | 02:23 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, they can wait for up to a week or so. | 02:24 |
| Q-FUNK | when is it that edgy is expected to release? | 02:25 |
| Fujitsu | October 26th. | 02:25 |
| Fujitsu | Beta on the 28th, same day as UniverseFreeze. | 02:25 |
| Q-FUNK | ah. still 1 month then. :) | 02:25 |
| Q-FUNK | oh | 02:25 |
| Q-FUNK | that's a bit too close | 02:26 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, it is. | 02:26 |
| Fujitsu | Only important bug fixes after UniverseFreeze unless you get an exception approved. | 02:26 |
| Q-FUNK | well, this fixes something that actually prevented usage. | 02:27 |
| Fujitsu | Which package? | 02:27 |
| Q-FUNK | cups-pdf | 02:27 |
| Q-FUNK | user priviledge separation prevented usage. | 02:27 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, that one. | 02:28 |
| Fujitsu | Well, all outstanding syncs will be processed before the freeze. | 02:28 |
| Q-FUNK | fixed since cups 1.2 allows using permissions on the back-end as a way to control this. | 02:28 |
| Q-FUNK | so I adjusted that in postinst. | 02:28 |
| Q-FUNK | hopefully :) | 02:29 |
| Q-FUNK | I would just like to finally put this one behind me. That issue has been a showstopper on Ubuntu for ages and I'm glad a solution was finaly found. | 02:30 |
| Nafallo | is anyone picking up audacious from revu? | 02:33 |
| Nafallo | seems the packager gave up | 02:33 |
| Fujitsu | I'll have a look. | 02:33 |
| Nafallo | yay :-) | 02:34 |
| Nafallo | people requested it on #ubuntu-se ;-) | 02:34 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, I lot of people do. | 02:35 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 02:35 |
| Fujitsu | Stupid 64kbps... This'll take about 10min to download... | 02:36 |
| Fujitsu | Woah. | 02:36 |
| Fujitsu | That's a huge .diff.gz. | 02:36 |
| crimsun | Q-FUNK: what's the bug #? | 02:36 |
| Nafallo | hmm, there is no link to the REVU wikipage from REVU ;-) | 02:36 |
| Nafallo | where do I file a bug? :-) | 02:36 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun, are you good for the TB meeting this week? | 02:37 |
| imbrandon | Nafallo: https://launchpad.net/products/revu/+filebug | 02:37 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 02:37 |
| Nafallo | wow. I didn't even think there might be a product there :- | 02:38 |
| Nafallo | :-P | 02:38 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu: finaly going for MOTU ? | 02:38 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, yes, with LaserJock's (and hopefully crimsun's) support. | 02:38 |
| imbrandon | great ( i'd be happy to come cheer too as i've caught the few crimsun dident get ) heh | 02:39 |
| Fujitsu | Ooh, yes please :) | 02:39 |
| imbrandon | whens the TB ? | 02:40 |
| === bddebian will come and heckle | ||
| imbrandon | hehe | 02:40 |
| Fujitsu | 0600 Wednesday here... | 02:40 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: unlikely. Tuesdays are very bad days. I will attempt to be present, but unfortunately I can't guarantee I'll be able to make it. I'm happy to send an e-mail in my stead, though. | 02:40 |
| Fujitsu | So 2000 UTC Tuesday | 02:40 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun, OK, an email is fine :) | 02:40 |
| imbrandon | ugh vista rc1 all over the internet | 02:41 |
| imbrandon | when will people learn | 02:41 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah. | 02:41 |
| crimsun | there's some publicly available build that's newer than rc1, no? | 02:41 |
| Fujitsu | bddebian, you can support me? | 02:42 |
| imbrandon | crimsun: yea | 02:42 |
| bddebian | Sure | 02:42 |
| Fujitsu | Yay :) | 02:42 |
| crimsun | well dang, if bddebian is supporting you, then I doubt you'll need anyone's support | 02:42 |
| imbrandon | crimsun: but its not a "true" rc , as in this might be what gets burned , etc etc etc | 02:42 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah, I love that misnaming. | 02:42 |
| bddebian | crimsun: Yeah, like my opinion means shit around here | 02:42 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun, heheh. | 02:42 |
| crimsun | your karma belies you, bddebian | 02:43 |
| === Fujitsu points bddebian to BddebianIsAGod. | ||
| LaserJock | 'nough said | 02:43 |
| imbrandon | ms == beta = alpha , rc == beta , rtm == rc | 02:43 |
| bddebian | crackheads | 02:43 |
| === Fujitsu wonders when Soyuz karma will be implemented. | ||
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, rc = alpha, rtm = beta. | 02:43 |
| Fujitsu | Have you seen the RC? | 02:43 |
| imbrandon | lol | 02:43 |
| Fujitsu | I hear it's terribly buggy. | 02:43 |
| imbrandon | no i dont have any boxes i would install it on | 02:43 |
| Fujitsu | Neither do I. | 02:44 |
| imbrandon | everything here is osx 10.4 or kubuntu ( and one dapper server ) | 02:44 |
| Fujitsu | I didn't think I'd have so many supporters :) | 02:44 |
| === Nafallo passes bddebian the pipe :-) | ||
| imbrandon | lol | 02:44 |
| Q-FUNK | crimsun: you already ack'ed it :) | 02:45 |
| bddebian | *puff* *puff* | 02:45 |
| crimsun | Q-FUNK: I've acked a few hundred, so that's not saying much ;-) | 02:45 |
| imbrandon | puff puff give puff puff give, dont mess up the rotation | 02:45 |
| Q-FUNK | oh | 02:45 |
| Q-FUNK | just a sec | 02:45 |
| Q-FUNK | bug #61626 | 02:46 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 61626 in cups-pdf "Please sync cups-pdf (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61626 | 02:46 |
| Fujitsu | Gawd, Audacious is shocking. | 02:46 |
| Nafallo | MOTUs should be MOTCs :-). Masters of the Crackpipes :-) | 02:46 |
| Q-FUNK | heh | 02:46 |
| imbrandon | lol | 02:46 |
| crimsun | Q-FUNK: should be processed on Tuesday (wasn't acked til 9/23) | 02:46 |
| Nafallo | Fujitsu: in a good or a bad way? :-) | 02:47 |
| Q-FUNK | crimsun: purrrrrrrrfect :) | 02:47 |
| Fujitsu | Nafallo, I think I'm about to choke to death on it :P | 02:47 |
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| Nafallo | ehrm... that's bad then :-P | 02:47 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah, but I'm not going to give up. | 02:48 |
| Nafallo | that's the spirit! :-) | 02:48 |
| === Nafallo wonders if he has a REVU account or so :-P | ||
| === Nafallo logged in :-) | ||
| Nafallo | whoever did that recover password thing made it just right :-) | 02:50 |
| Nafallo | I wish all those damn e-mailproviders could pick the solution up ;-) | 02:50 |
| Nafallo | s/the/that/ | 02:51 |
| LaserJock | heh | 02:51 |
| LaserJock | it seems to have a bug, but it's really pretty cool | 02:52 |
| Nafallo | wfm :-) | 02:53 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 02:55 |
| Nafallo | has anyone permission to the _source.changes on revu? :-P | 02:56 |
| Nafallo | if not, why are they kept? ;-) | 02:56 |
| Lathiat | no | 02:58 |
| Lathiat | because they are gpg signed | 02:58 |
| Lathiat | if they were publicly available anyoen could just go and upload them | 02:58 |
| Lathiat | (the package in revu, if they were in the keyring) | 02:58 |
| Nafallo | eh? so mv the damn things to /dev/null then? :-) | 02:58 |
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| minghua | many admins want to look at the .changes? | 02:59 |
| minghua | but I agree not showing them in REVU is a good idea | 02:59 |
| ajmitch | Nafallo: why does it bug you? :) | 02:59 |
| === Nafallo finds them to just clutter the interface atm ;-) | ||
| minghua | it's damn confusing | 02:59 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: I'm a minimalist ;-) | 02:59 |
| ajmitch | Nafallo: don't look at a package that has been built on tiber then | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | you get about 20 other files listed | 03:00 |
| Nafallo | oh? | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | build logs, file lists, shlibs, postinsts, etc | 03:01 |
| Nafallo | I can look at those files, right? :-) | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3036 | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | for example | 03:01 |
| Nafallo | why show a file I actually _can't_ look at? :-) | 03:01 |
| Nafallo | woha | 03:02 |
| ajmitch | code is in bzr, go hack it | 03:02 |
| Nafallo | hehe, will someday :-) | 03:02 |
| Nafallo | we have a freeze coming up now though :-P | 03:03 |
| === Nafallo looks at nm-stuff :-) | ||
| ajmitch | please do, plug is waiting patiently for his pptp package to be reviewed & uploaded :) | 03:05 |
| Plug | actually | 03:06 |
| Plug | my PPTP package is still broken | 03:06 |
| Plug | (the currently uploaded one, rather so) | 03:06 |
| Plug | but I do have a fix in the pipeline | 03:06 |
| Plug | and a day off | 03:06 |
| Plug | so maybe after lunch! :) | 03:06 |
| ajmitch | yay | 03:06 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 03:09 |
| === Fujitsu 's mind explodes at the Audacious build system. | ||
| Fujitsu | What... the... fricking... hell... were... they... thinking? | 03:11 |
| Fujitsu | And what were the Soyuz people thinking when they decided that all arch-independent builds should go the the i386 buildds? | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | i386 is the only arch that matters, right? ;-) | 03:13 |
| Nafallo | Fujitsu: I think that predates soyuz actually. they just ported the existing brokeness to the new system ;-) | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | oh I forgot, nobody runs i386 anymore | 03:13 |
| Fujitsu | Because we've got over two hours of language pack building, which could be less than 30 minutes if all the buildds were involved. | 03:14 |
| Nafallo | LaserJock: feeh :-P. it's more a waste of power not to use the more often idling amd64 machines for it :-) | 03:14 |
| Fujitsu | It'd also not be as bad if security was handled by Soyuz, so there'd be 3 i386 buildds. | 03:14 |
| Nafallo | aha | 03:14 |
| Nafallo | that's where the others went | 03:15 |
| ajmitch | yes | 03:15 |
| Nafallo | I've wondered that a _looooong_ time now :-) | 03:15 |
| Fujitsu | I've known that for a _looooong_ time now :P | 03:15 |
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| Nafallo | hehe | 03:15 |
| Nafallo | my wondering predates soyuz ;-) | 03:15 |
| LaserJock | known what? | 03:16 |
| Fujitsu | That the buildds are missing because they're doing -security. | 03:16 |
| Nafallo | where one buildd from each arch went :-) | 03:16 |
| Fujitsu | Anybody know any Audacious developers? I want to murder them. | 03:16 |
| Fujitsu | This build system is seriously BAD. | 03:16 |
| LaserJock | all they do is -security? | 03:16 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, yes, exactly. | 03:17 |
| LaserJock | oh, that's odd | 03:17 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: using the old system of dak | 03:17 |
| Fujitsu | 'cause Soyuz can't do it yet. | 03:17 |
| bddebian | Fujitsu: So fix it ;-P | 03:17 |
| bddebian | Fujitsu: Oh and are you going to do azureus too? :-) | 03:17 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: murdering devels? :-) | 03:17 |
| Fujitsu | They use autoconf, but not automake. | 03:17 |
| imbrandon | dak ? ick | 03:17 |
| Fujitsu | bddebian, you little... | 03:17 |
| Fujitsu | No Java for me, thankyouverymuchyouevilgod. | 03:17 |
| LaserJock | so the other archives are totally done in soyuz, no dak or similar? | 03:17 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:18 |
| Nafallo | soyuz is like dak-ng :-) | 03:18 |
| Fujitsu | Azureus is mess-say. | 03:18 |
| Nafallo | Fujitsu: ey! you're switching package? ;-) | 03:18 |
| Fujitsu | No! | 03:18 |
| Nafallo | ah, good :-) | 03:19 |
| Nafallo | not that I will use it... but... :-P | 03:19 |
| Fujitsu | I love it how the distclean target doesn't actually remove the Makefiles. | 03:19 |
| bddebian | Especially since doko has ideas about it and I can't ever catch him :-( | 03:19 |
| Fujitsu | Good, good. | 03:19 |
| Fujitsu | We don't want no azureus here. | 03:19 |
| slomo_ | Fujitsu: better than distclean removing Makefile and Makefile.in ;) | 03:20 |
| Fujitsu | slomo_, maybe. | 03:20 |
| === Nafallo looks at pbuilder-ssh | ||
| Fujitsu | What is it? | 03:20 |
| Nafallo | some frontend for remote pbuilding :-) | 03:21 |
| minghua | well, my package's distclean removes some of the files the tarball ships | 03:31 |
| Fujitsu | Which package, minghua? | 03:31 |
| Fujitsu | Nafallo, I think I've got a sane audacious package now. | 03:32 |
| Nafallo | nice :-) | 03:32 |
| === Nafallo downloads | ||
| Fujitsu | Not uploaded yet :P | 03:32 |
| Nafallo | yea, noticed ;-) | 03:33 |
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| === Fujitsu pbuilds. | ||
| Fujitsu | It was a very quick change once I worked out what was going on... | 03:34 |
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| bddebian | Gaaahh, frickin' RL work :'-( | 03:34 |
| Fujitsu | He was removing all the files that make distclean didn't clean... | 03:34 |
| bddebian | Heya Hobbsee | 03:34 |
| Nafallo | oh :-P | 03:34 |
| Fujitsu | /Then/ he ran make distclean, which detected the Makefiles weren't there, and regenerated them all! | 03:34 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 03:35 |
| Fujitsu | The .diff.gz is now stuff just in debian/, which is looking more promising... | 03:35 |
| Fujitsu | Hey Hobbsee. | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee! | 03:35 |
| Nafallo | yay Fujitsu! :-) | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | hey bddebian , Fujitsu | 03:36 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch! | 03:36 |
| Nafallo | people will love you for that :-) | 03:36 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: oh, it's scim | 03:36 |
| Fujitsu | Fun fun fun. | 03:36 |
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| Kyral | This is why I'm not on the MOTU track anymore | 03:37 |
| minghua | the distclean deletes scim.spec among others | 03:37 |
| Kyral | much easier to crank out sourcecode and let you guys handle the packaging :P | 03:37 |
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| minghua | as I need none of them, I didn't bother (not like I have enough autotools-fu to bother, though) | 03:38 |
| Fujitsu | At least you didn't orphan the package at the sight of autotools. | 03:38 |
| Kyral | You're right! I ophaned packages at the sight of college! :P | 03:38 |
| Fujitsu | Har har. | 03:39 |
| Nafallo | Fujitsu: still no source code? I can try to pbuild it here as well and put the source+i386 into my personal repo for #ubuntu-se testing ;-) | 03:39 |
| Fujitsu | I'm pbuilding at the moment, and I need to check a couple of things with the source. | 03:39 |
| Fujitsu | THis isn't leaving me without a sanity check. | 03:40 |
| Nafallo | okidoki :-) | 03:40 |
| === minghua goes home | ||
| minghua | see you guys later | 03:41 |
| Fujitsu | Bye. | 03:41 |
| Toadstool | heya everybody | 03:42 |
| Fujitsu | Hey Toadstool. | 03:42 |
| Toadstool | hi Fujitsu | 03:42 |
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| Fujitsu | Toadstool, were you wondering about one of my changes in galternatives yesterday>? | 03:43 |
| Toadstool | yep | 03:43 |
| Toadstool | python-dev -> python in Build-Deps-Indep | 03:44 |
| Fujitsu | OK, I'll look at that in a sec, currently attacking audacious. | 03:44 |
| Toadstool | packaging it? | 03:44 |
| Fujitsu | Finishing somebody else's attempt at packaging it. | 03:45 |
| Toadstool | hmm Maxence's attempt | 03:45 |
| Fujitsu | Yes. | 03:45 |
| Toadstool | Fujitsu: have you seen http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=audacious ? | 03:46 |
| Fujitsu | No, I haven't. Nafallo just told me to have a look at the one on REVU. | 03:46 |
| Toadstool | ok :) | 03:46 |
| Nafallo | audacious-locales - Translations of audacious | 03:47 |
| Nafallo | what the heck :-P | 03:47 |
| Fujitsu | Hahah. | 03:47 |
| Fujitsu | OK, this is at least partly sane. I've got no idea about packaging libraries, but this doesn't seem too bad. | 03:47 |
| Fujitsu | (Maxence's with my changes) | 03:47 |
| Toadstool | good luck with audacious, afaik Maxence had a lot of trouble trying to package it | 03:47 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, it looks that way. | 03:48 |
| Fujitsu | Gah, I'm really nervous already :( | 03:48 |
| Toadstool | hmm? | 03:48 |
| Fujitsu | About the TB meeting. | 03:49 |
| Fujitsu | (currently dputting, Nafallo) | 03:49 |
| Nafallo | nice :-) | 03:49 |
| Toadstool | hoho, /me missed something | 03:49 |
| Toadstool | Fujitsu: you're running for MOTU at this TB meeting? | 03:49 |
| Fujitsu | Toadstool, yes. | 03:50 |
| Toadstool | ok, let's join the meeting then ;) | 03:50 |
| Fujitsu | :) | 03:50 |
| === ajmitch wonders when the next meeting is | ||
| zul | i thought it was this week | 03:51 |
| ajmitch | oh nice & early for Fujitsu | 03:51 |
| Fujitsu | 8am Wednesday for you, ajmitch. | 03:51 |
| Kyral | The answer is 42 | 03:51 |
| Fujitsu | 6am, I'll get up about 1.5 hours earlier than normal, nothing special. | 03:51 |
| Toadstool | alright, 20h UTC was fine when I was in France... | 03:51 |
| Fujitsu | Kyral, but of course | 03:51 |
| Fujitsu | Toadstool, ouch. | 03:51 |
| Fujitsu | France is + 3 or 4? | 03:52 |
| Toadstool | hmm never mind, I'll be at work | 03:52 |
| Toadstool | +2 | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | 6am meetings are great :P | 03:52 |
| Toadstool | heh | 03:53 |
| === ajmitch wonders if he should support Fujitsu | ||
| zul | 3am meetings are even better | 03:53 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, if you want :) | 03:54 |
| === Toadstool was going to do something smart but totally forgot what... | ||
| bddebian | heh | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: it's not whether I want to, it's whether I should :) | 03:54 |
| Fujitsu | I've got quite a number of MOTUs supporting me now... I'm surprised. | 03:55 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, obviously. | 03:55 |
| Fujitsu | If you should, then :P | 03:55 |
| === LaserJock marks his edgy spec "review" | ||
| LaserJock | I wonder if mdz will look at it | 03:55 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, that one. | 03:55 |
| Toadstool | Fujitsu: you'll have to bribe ajmitch ;) | 03:55 |
| Fujitsu | I didn't realise that was yours. | 03:55 |
| zul | heh it better not be like the others LaserJock | 03:55 |
| zul | LaserJock: url? :) | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: hah, good luck | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-dynamic-menu | 03:56 |
| Fujitsu | That will be very useful. | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | it was already approved | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | once | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | and it's implemented | 03:56 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, noted. | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | so I'd think it'd be ok to mark it approved | 03:56 |
| Fujitsu | I'd presume so. | 03:57 |
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| Fujitsu | 160 language packs to go... | 03:57 |
| LaserJock | sometimes I really dislike how great (internationalization) Ubuntu is ;-) | 03:58 |
| ajmitch | patience... | 03:58 |
| Fujitsu | Why oh why can't it build them on all the buildds... | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | I suppose that'd be more complicated, but it seems like a good idea | 04:00 |
| zul | heh open office is a bitch to build apparently as well | 04:00 |
| Fujitsu | I don't see how it could be much more complicated. | 04:00 |
| Fujitsu | zul, of course. | 04:00 |
| Toadstool | this package is a buildd DoS... | 04:01 |
| Fujitsu | Ja. | 04:01 |
| LaserJock | heh | 04:01 |
| Fujitsu | The language-packs aren't great either. | 04:01 |
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| Toadstool | heh | 04:01 |
| crimsun | hmm, LP is crawling. Hope that isn't my end. | 04:02 |
| Fujitsu | Once we have the security buildds back, it should be harder to DoS them with anything. | 04:02 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun, I don't think it's your end. | 04:02 |
| Fujitsu | It's not using up my entire 64kbps of bandwidth, less than half of it. | 04:02 |
| Fujitsu | Whereas other things use up the whole lot. | 04:02 |
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| imbrandon | crimsun: its crawling here to on my fast cable | 04:04 |
| === minghua is back | ||
| imbrandon | bbiab | 04:04 |
| Fujitsu | It's been slow for ages, but particularly slow just now. | 04:04 |
| crimsun | thanks, kinda difficult to tell on this pokey 28.8 ;) | 04:04 |
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| LaserJock | seems fast to me :/ | 04:06 |
| Nafallo | Fujitsu: the *.install files look wrong. you should strip of debian/tmp | 04:09 |
| Fujitsu | Nafallo, will do... I didn't look at them. | 04:10 |
| Nafallo | thought so :-) | 04:10 |
| Fujitsu | That does look wrong. | 04:10 |
| === Fujitsu revamps his wiki page. | ||
| LaserJock | I should do that too :/ | 04:12 |
| Fujitsu | But you're already a MOTU, and don't have to impress the TB in less than 48 hours :P | 04:12 |
| LaserJock | soon enough though | 04:12 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 04:12 |
| minghua | TB meeting in 48 hours? | 04:12 |
| Fujitsu | minghua, about that. | 04:13 |
| Fujitsu | 42 hours. | 04:13 |
| minghua | yeah, see it in #ubuntu-meeting | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | I need to find some main packages to fix | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | which is a bit hard this late in the cycle, I suppose | 04:14 |
| === minghua thinks Fujitsu doesn't need his support though | ||
| Nafallo | WTF | 04:14 |
| Nafallo | configure in clean? | 04:14 |
| Fujitsu | Nafallo, in audacious? | 04:14 |
| === Nafallo checks. | ||
| Nafallo | yea, it started to run configure on dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa | 04:15 |
| Nafallo | :-P | 04:15 |
| Fujitsu | The Makefile will be doing that, I believe. | 04:15 |
| Nafallo | wow | 04:15 |
| Nafallo | that's just... wrong :-) | 04:16 |
| Fujitsu | It is. | 04:16 |
| Fujitsu | See why I wanted to murder them? | 04:16 |
| Fujitsu | And it doesn't clean up properly. | 04:16 |
| Nafallo | yea | 04:16 |
| Nafallo | it won't have much luck on this system finding stuff :-P | 04:17 |
| minghua | has http://blog.scorpionworld.it/2006/09/23/ubuntu-releases-evolution/ been mentioned here? | 04:21 |
| minghua | that is handy for me as I didn't know what that animals in the codenames are | 04:21 |
| minghua | (and drake is a duck :-) | 04:22 |
| Nafallo | woah! kewl | 04:22 |
| imbrandon | minghua: yea did you see my last blog post on the planet ? | 04:23 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 04:23 |
| imbrandon | minghua: http://planet.ubuntu.com/ ;) | 04:23 |
| minghua | imbrandon: yeah, I know where the planet is (reading now) | 04:24 |
| Fujitsu | Horay Hedgehog, ey, imbrandon? | 04:24 |
| imbrandon | whoops | 04:25 |
| imbrandon | fixed | 04:26 |
| imbrandon | hrm , sounds like a good time to eat | 04:26 |
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| minghua | imbrandon: so you think drake is a duck too? | 04:28 |
| Fujitsu | minghua, of course it is. I believe SABDFL confirmed it a while ago | 04:29 |
| minghua | oh good, I must have missed that | 04:30 |
| minghua | (at least is wasn't sent to ubuntu-devel-announcement :-P) | 04:30 |
| Nafallo | well, I'm not sure the list existed on that time :-P | 04:31 |
| Toadstool | <Fujitsu> And it doesn't clean up properly. <-- haha, audacious... :p | 04:32 |
| Fujitsu | Yup :'( | 04:32 |
| Fujitsu | I'm off to lunch now, be back shortly. | 04:32 |
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| zakame | hi all | 04:54 |
| LaserJock | hi zakame | 04:57 |
| Toadstool | hey zakame | 04:57 |
| Fujitsu | Back. | 04:57 |
| zakame | hi LaserJock Toadstool Fujitsu :D | 05:02 |
| zakame | seen dholbach? | 05:02 |
| Fujitsu | Hey zakame. | 05:02 |
| Fujitsu | Not today, no. | 05:02 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia, ping. | 05:02 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: pong | 05:04 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: issues? | 05:04 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia, I can't ssh in any more. | 05:04 |
| Fujitsu | Can't connect to port 22. | 05:04 |
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| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: hmm | 05:04 |
| Burgundavia | looking | 05:05 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks. | 05:06 |
| Burgundavia | looks like my desktop machine went down | 05:07 |
| Burgundavia | wonder why | 05:07 |
| Fujitsu | Good question. | 05:07 |
| Burgundavia | given I am in a hotel room in Glenwood Springs, CO, there isn't much I can do about it | 05:08 |
| Fujitsu | OK, I'll live without it :) | 05:08 |
| Burgundavia | the webserver is still up | 05:10 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, I noticed that. I presume port 80 is forwarded to a different machine... | 05:12 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 05:12 |
| Burgundavia | the funny thing is, my desktop machine is in my room and the server is in teh public area | 05:12 |
| imbrandon | heya zakame , Burgundavia | 05:12 |
| ajmitch | hi Burgundavia | 05:13 |
| ajmitch | & zakame :) | 05:13 |
| Burgundavia | hey imbrandon, ajmitch | 05:13 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: it's always the way - as soon as you leave, your box goes down | 05:13 |
| Fujitsu | Hi again, imbrandon. | 05:14 |
| imbrandon | but if your in the same room/building it will stay up for months | 05:14 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 05:14 |
| imbrandon | its like unwritten law | 05:14 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 05:14 |
| Burgundavia | bloody murphy | 05:14 |
| imbrandon | heh | 05:14 |
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| ajmitch | I think each time I've gone to australia I've had my system fall over | 05:15 |
| imbrandon | heh figures | 05:15 |
| ajmitch | at least both times I went this year :) | 05:15 |
| zakame | yo imbrandon ajmitch :D | 05:15 |
| === imbrandon wonders if vista has irssi preinstalled | ||
| === imbrandon ducks | ||
| zakame | hopefully | 05:17 |
| imbrandon | anyone here ever tried co-linux ? | 05:18 |
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| joejaxx | imbrandon: no i have not | 05:40 |
| joejaxx | are you able to run any linux distro on it? | 05:41 |
| joejaxx | or only certain ones | 05:43 |
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| minghua | joejaxx: from what I heard co-linux has its own distro | 05:51 |
| minghua | or rather, co-linux IS a distro | 05:51 |
| joejaxx | minghua: oh alright | 05:52 |
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| minghua | joejaxx: Hmm, apparently I am wrong | 05:56 |
| minghua | joejaxx: in co-linux you can run different distros, in their terminology called "coLinux OS", and Debian, Ubuntu and Gentoo are mentioned | 05:57 |
| joejaxx | minghua: nice | 05:57 |
| joejaxx | i should do that on this laptop | 05:57 |
| joejaxx | right now i use vmware + fluxbuntu | 05:57 |
| === joejaxx is looking at the project right no | ||
| joejaxx | w | 05:58 |
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| joejaxx | minghua: they have debian | 05:58 |
| imbrandon | co-linux is just the kernel | 06:12 |
| imbrandon | brb | 06:12 |
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| Lathiat | is backports working yet? | 06:31 |
| ajmitch | are we there yet? | 06:31 |
| Lathiat | heh | 06:32 |
| Lathiat | i saw mention of some backports stuff somewhere | 06:32 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 06:32 |
| ajmitch | afaik it should be | 06:32 |
| ajmitch | amazing how many users are screaming to grab the latest crack nvidia drivers on the forums | 06:32 |
| Lathiat | asifn't have the latest crack | 06:32 |
| ajmitch | hm? | 06:33 |
| Plug | I want the crack | 06:33 |
| Plug | that means I can ditch Xgl | 06:33 |
| Plug | and still have 'bling' | 06:33 |
| ajmitch | Plug: you want pain, suffering & beta drivers | 06:34 |
| Plug | Well, not really | 06:34 |
| Plug | which is why I havent changed yet | 06:34 |
| ajmitch | I'm surprised that I haven't seen a bug on malone about it | 06:35 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: give it time. | 06:35 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: or you just havent looked hard enough | 06:35 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, you're a nice recently-crowned MOTU... What, if anything, can you recommend in preparation for or during The Meeting? | 06:35 |
| Plug | Malone #12345: "Ubuntu developers hate me and wont let me have crack drivers" Unconfirmed, Untriaged | 06:35 |
| ajmitch | it's been out for hours! | 06:35 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 12345 in isdnutils "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?)" [Medium,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/12345 | 06:35 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, I saw one a couple of days ago. | 06:35 |
| Hobbsee | it's likely filed under Ubuntu | 06:35 |
| Plug | :) | 06:35 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: oh that's alright then | 06:35 |
| Lathiat | hahaha | 06:35 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: have a few packages that you've done yourself :) | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: know your stuff, know the answers to what they want to ask, and prepare your three-liner | 06:36 |
| Fujitsu | Hm, a three-liner... | 06:36 |
| === Fujitsu works on that. | ||
| Hobbsee | bah. they didnt mention that for MOTU for me :P | 06:36 |
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| Fujitsu | But you're Hobbsee! | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: oh yeah, have an awesome cheersquad, so that they feel like they'll get screamed at if they dont let you on board | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | true that | 06:36 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, I've got a few on my cheer-squad already :) | 06:37 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 06:37 |
| joejaxx | its Hobbsee! :) | 06:37 |
| Fujitsu | Hey LaserJock. | 06:38 |
| Fujitsu | Is there any reason Bochs would be built without debugging enabled? | 06:39 |
| zakame | back again | 06:41 |
| zakame | :D | 06:41 |
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| === keescook waves to zakame | ||
| zakame | yo keescook ! :D | 06:51 |
| zakame | how's everything? | 06:51 |
| keescook | good, spent the weekend up'ing stuff to REVU. :) | 06:52 |
| zakame | ooh! packaging! :) | 06:52 |
| zakame | joining the MOTU very soon? :D | 06:52 |
| keescook | yeah, I had to find stuff to package; you got all my other stuff already. ;) | 06:52 |
| zakame | lol | 06:53 |
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| LaserJock | that's bad when crimsun said oh crap | 07:28 |
| ajmitch | accidental freeze-breaking | 07:28 |
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| LaserJock | still Beta Freeze? | 07:29 |
| Fujitsu | Ja. | 07:29 |
| crimsun | what's messed up is that I typed apt-cache madison boost before actually doing the merge work | 07:29 |
| crimsun | I think I'd better get some sleep before I do that again | 07:29 |
| Fujitsu | Quite possibly. | 07:30 |
| Fujitsu | Sleep is generally a good idea. | 07:30 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: I'm sure they'll be forgiving, as it's not on the cd (afaik) | 07:30 |
| ajmitch | they'd be less forgiving if I uploaded f-spot 0.2.1, for example | 07:31 |
| Fujitsu | Hahahah. | 07:31 |
| zakame | lol | 07:31 |
| ajmitch | well I only got approval to upload it post-peta | 07:32 |
| ajmitch | s/peta/beta/ | 07:32 |
| zakame | ajmitch: that's a long time | 07:34 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:40 |
| Fujitsu | Morning, dholbach. | 07:41 |
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| LaserJock | hi dholbach | 07:41 |
| dholbach | hey Fujitsu, hey LaserJock | 07:41 |
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| ajmitch | hi dholbach | 07:58 |
| dholbach | heya Andrew | 07:58 |
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| Kagou | morning | 07:59 |
| Fujitsu | Hi Kagou. | 07:59 |
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| imbrandon | moins dholbach and Kagou | 08:01 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: how do you turn off join/part messages for a channel in irssi ? | 08:02 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, got a wee sec? | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | lastnode: sure | 08:02 |
| dholbach | hi imbrandon | 08:03 |
| dholbach | Fujitsu: you're going for MOTU! Great to hear that! | 08:04 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, isnt it /ignore -channels #channel1, #channel2 JOINS PARTS | 08:05 |
| dholbach | can somebody look at qgo - somebody requested a merge of it - not sure if I manage it before universe freeze | 08:05 |
| lastnode | ? | 08:05 |
| lastnode | i think it's something like that | 08:05 |
| ajmitch | lastnode: /set default_window_level | 08:06 |
| minghua | dholbach: what does qgo still need before getting merged? (I requested it) | 08:06 |
| ajmitch | ah no | 08:06 |
| ajmitch | /set activity_hide_level JOINS PARTS QUITS MODES NICKS | 08:06 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: thanks | 08:06 |
| dholbach | minghua: I got a mail by Loc Martin, who requested a merge because a certain issue in Debian was fixed already. | 08:07 |
| Fujitsu | dholbach, thanks :) | 08:07 |
| dholbach | minghua: I didn't look at it, I was just notified about it and am too busy. | 08:07 |
| === Fujitsu takes a look at it. | ||
| minghua | dholbach: my request is bug #62101 | 08:07 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 62101 in qgo "Please sync qgo (universe) 1.5.1-1 from Debian (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62101 | 08:07 |
| dholbach | ah super then | 08:07 |
| dholbach | thanks minghua | 08:08 |
| minghua | dholbach: so it's all set, we just need to wait the archive masters then? | 08:08 |
| ajmitch | minghua: if they're subscribed | 08:09 |
| ajmitch | lp is taking an age to load the page | 08:09 |
| minghua | ajmitch: they are (I subscribed u-a) | 08:09 |
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| Fujitsu | Anybody got any hints for bugs to fix or new versions to package? | 08:40 |
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| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: hehe, looking for more stuff? | 08:42 |
| Fujitsu | Of course :) | 08:42 |
| Fujitsu | I need something to do :( | 08:42 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/all.html#outdatedinB | 08:43 |
| LaserJock | have at it ;-) | 08:43 |
| Fujitsu | Hm. I generate my own one of those daily. I didn't realise you did too. | 08:43 |
| Fujitsu | And I attacked the first 20 or so a few days back. | 08:44 |
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| LaserJock | Fujitsu: shesh, I've been doing that list since dapper ;-) | 08:45 |
| Fujitsu | Aha! | 08:45 |
| === ajmitch has access to another secret list.. | ||
| Fujitsu | I knew about unimultiverse.html, but not the science one :( | 08:47 |
| minghua | now LaserJock and Fujitsu both know why packages always disappear from the top of their list :-) | 08:47 |
| Fujitsu | Haha. | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 08:47 |
| === ajmitch should file syncs to get the zope packages into ubuntu that we're missing | ||
| LaserJock | my list just keeps getting bigger | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | but that is to be expected | 08:48 |
| ajmitch | http://people.debian.org/~kobold/ubuntu-diff/zope/ <-- looks pretty good after the last round of syncs | 08:48 |
| ajmitch | the ones not in ubuntu are in NEW | 08:48 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, yeah... You can expect a lot of help with science stuff in the future :) | 08:48 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: I also have it broken down by section and a list of the Ubuntu-Debian diff to see which packages are in one but not the other | 08:48 |
| LaserJock | there are an alarming number of new Debian packages that aren't in Ubuntu yet :/ | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: that's expected | 08:49 |
| Fujitsu | Are there!? | 08:49 |
| Fujitsu | 35k... | 08:50 |
| === ajmitch sees zope-securemailhost on the list of outdated packages | ||
| LaserJock | well, I didn't really expect much from science apps | 08:50 |
| ajmitch | * Fixed a few typos in the package description. (Closes: #387695) | 08:50 |
| ajmitch | big change.. | 08:50 |
| Fujitsu | 32 packages, owy. | 08:50 |
| Fujitsu | I'd check those and file sync requests, but I've got no access to a machine with a fast 'net connection. :( | 08:51 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: I counted 16 the other day that are new in Debian | 08:51 |
| Fujitsu | 32 now :( | 08:51 |
| LaserJock | you have to be careful though | 08:51 |
| LaserJock | because some of them are not in Ubuntu for a reason | 08:51 |
| LaserJock | non-free | 08:51 |
| Fujitsu | I'd presume so, yes. | 08:51 |
| LaserJock | but there's a decent number that are just new | 08:52 |
| Fujitsu | Only stuff in Debian main is suitable in general, right? | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | and afew that have gone from non-free to main | 08:52 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | anyway, I just look at the packages.qa.debian.org page to see what section it is in now in Debian | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | hmm, did somebody sync/merge libghemical? | 08:53 |
| Fujitsu | No, doesn't look like it. | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | I think it's a good idea to match libghemical and ghemical versions :-) | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | let's see | 08:56 |
| Fujitsu | Probably. | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | I had python-* on my list | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | the big ones you took care of | 08:57 |
| Fujitsu | I believe so. | 08:57 |
| Fujitsu | Hm. | 08:57 |
| Fujitsu | New ghemical and libghemical two days ago. | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | really? | 08:57 |
| Fujitsu | Yes. | 08:57 |
| Fujitsu | Oops. | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | we need to tell azeem to stop uploading so much ;-) | 08:57 |
| Fujitsu | Oops, 13 days ago, | 08:58 |
| Fujitsu | Entered testing two or three days ago... | 08:58 |
| Fujitsu | So we just need the new libghemical. | 08:58 |
| LaserJock | ah yes | 08:58 |
| Fujitsu | There's already a sync request.. | 08:58 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 08:58 |
| Fujitsu | It's even a request by me :P | 08:58 |
| LaserJock | I was thinking if I had any time I'd look at the tex packages :/ | 08:59 |
| LaserJock | haha | 08:59 |
| Fujitsu | Filed 9 days ago, hasn't been acked yet, though. | 08:59 |
| Fujitsu | Bug #60676. | 08:59 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 60676 in libghemical "Please sync libghemical 2.10-1 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60676 | 08:59 |
| === Fujitsu works on another script thing for MDT to mail upon new versions of a package in the specified set. | ||
| LaserJock | yeah, I sure wish lucus would finish that thing | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | and get it in Universe | 09:00 |
| Fujitsu | 22 new packages in Debian main. | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | it's very handy for this sort of thing | 09:01 |
| Fujitsu | It is, yes. | 09:01 |
| === ajmitch is obviously insane | ||
| Fujitsu | And it'll be more useful once Launchpad gets a sane, filterable, text bug listing. | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 09:01 |
| ajmitch | for some reason I decided to hack a patch into upstart.. | 09:01 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, you're silly. | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | oh no | 09:01 |
| ajmitch | I agree | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | that is rather insane | 09:01 |
| Fujitsu | Filtering by Debian/Ubuntu component would also be useful... Hm.. | 09:02 |
| Fujitsu | How do you do unimultiverse? Manual lists of packages in both? | 09:02 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: I use mutt for that :) | 09:02 |
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| LaserJock | Fujitsu: you talking to me? | 09:03 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, yes, oops. | 09:03 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: so what did you do to upstart ? | 09:04 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: hacking in an selinux patch :) | 09:04 |
| imbrandon | ahh ;) | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: if you promise not to laugh I'll post you my script ;-) | 09:05 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, please do. | 09:05 |
| === Fujitsu stifles giggle. | ||
| === Hobbsee prepares to laugh anyway | ||
| LaserJock | :( | 09:07 |
| LaserJock | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24751 | 09:07 |
| ajmitch | they're so cruel | 09:08 |
| Fujitsu | Hm, 20 new packages to attack. | 09:08 |
| LaserJock | although I'm not worrying about getting just universe anymore | 09:08 |
| Fujitsu | I'd already filed a request for one of them after a bug was filed from a user about it. | 09:08 |
| imbrandon | ok wait a sec | 09:08 |
| LaserJock | I figured we might as well at least keep track of the few Main science packages | 09:08 |
| imbrandon | can someone explain why bug 62243 was requested and says no changes etc etc etc but then it was just uploaded by someone else with gobs of changes ( via the edgy-changes ml ) ? | 09:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 62243 in boost "please sync boost 1.33.1-7 from Debian unstable (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62243 | 09:09 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, I suppose so. How many are there? | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | probably less then 20 totall | 09:09 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, there's an extra patch which fixes a crasher that crimsun just uploaded. | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | some tex | 09:10 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, that's rather pathetic... :( | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | calutators | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | nothing that exciting | 09:10 |
| === Fujitsu loves TeX. | ||
| LaserJock | I love tex too, I just hate tex packages | 09:10 |
| imbrandon | ah ok so that bug needs rejected | 09:10 |
| minghua | imbrandon: and it seems the patch is mentioned in that bug report | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: there is no Ubuntu TeX maintainer :/ | 09:11 |
| Fujitsu | :( | 09:11 |
| LaserJock | even though it's in main | 09:11 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: ask crimsun | 09:11 |
| Fujitsu | That's not good. | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu can be that person! | 09:11 |
| Fujitsu | I'm not a core-dev :P | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | so? | 09:11 |
| Hobbsee | doesnt matter | 09:11 |
| === Hobbsee is the maintainer of kopete, effectively | ||
| minghua | Fujitsu: sounds a good path to become one! :-) | 09:11 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, stop lying. You're the maintainer of /everything KDE/. | 09:11 |
| Fujitsu | minghua, maybe... | 09:11 |
| Hobbsee | hah, nope | 09:11 |
| LaserJock | I tried to do a little as ubuntu-science got "yelled" at by Debian | 09:12 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:12 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 09:12 |
| LaserJock | but the packaging is pretty intense | 09:12 |
| imbrandon | yea Hobbsee , fix KDE kthxbye | 09:12 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 09:12 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 09:12 |
| Fujitsu | How woefully out of date is our tetex-* at this time? | 09:12 |
| LaserJock | -common is 0.25 in edgy and 0.29 in sid | 09:13 |
| minghua | maybe a better question is how out of date are our texlive-*? | 09:13 |
| LaserJock | -base and -extra are within a few debian revisions | 09:13 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, I just ended up looking... | 09:13 |
| minghua | LaserJock: tex-common or tetex-common (I don't remember the latter exists) | 09:14 |
| Fujitsu | Identical, minghua... | 09:14 |
| minghua | LaserJock: ? | 09:14 |
| LaserJock | texlive is up to date | 09:14 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, just tex-common. | 09:14 |
| minghua | weird | 09:14 |
| LaserJock | tex-common is common ;-) | 09:14 |
| minghua | new texlive-* should depend on a quite new tex-common | 09:14 |
| Fujitsu | Now, to get tex-common and tetex-* up to date. | 09:14 |
| minghua | let me check now | 09:14 |
| Fujitsu | Ah fsck. They're going to be huge, aren't they? | 09:15 |
| ajmitch | yes | 09:15 |
| ajmitch | and complicated | 09:15 |
| Fujitsu | Noted. | 09:15 |
| minghua | oh, texlive-common only depends on tex-common (>=0.12) | 09:15 |
| minghua | well, tetex is dead upstream anyway | 09:15 |
| === Fujitsu attacks the smaller new packages. | ||
| LaserJock | tetex-* and tex-common are Main packages | 09:16 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, true. | 09:16 |
| minghua | and texlive-* are in universe, I suppose? | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | so -common would require a UVF exception I believe | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | minghua: yep | 09:16 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, it would. | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | however | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | mainly what Debian was griping about was our bug fix/security response | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | or lack therof | 09:17 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | we had a Debian RC bug in Dapper for >3 months I believe | 09:17 |
| minghua | LaserJock: then it means the stable releases? | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | well | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | mainly the time between UVF and release | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | they wonder why we had packages from Jan. in Dapper | 09:18 |
| minghua | I see | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | when security fixes were done a couple weeks after | 09:18 |
| imbrandon | ok i'm falling asleep at the keyboard, gnight all | 09:18 |
| minghua | do we have any TeX experts around? | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | and the bug report sat on LP for 3 months | 09:18 |
| minghua | night, imbrandon | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | minghua: not packaging wise | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | I asked mdz about it | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | and he more or less said I could do it :/ | 09:19 |
| minghua | too sad, maybe I should try to pick that up for edgy+1 | 09:19 |
| === minghua has always been interested in TeX | ||
| LaserJock | pitti does security fixes when he can | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | and they get merged once a release | 09:19 |
| minghua | and since I'm not going to touch much scim in Ubuntu anyway | 09:19 |
| imbrandon | someone could teach me how to use it for my book ;) | 09:20 |
| minghua | TeX maybe a good place to look at | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:20 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, TeX is /great/! | 09:20 |
| Fujitsu | And not too hard to use. | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | haha | 09:20 |
| minghua | imbrandon: so what are you using now? | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | neooffice on osx ;) | 09:20 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: TeX is hard! (LaTeX is probably more sane) | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | I once made a 4ftx4ft poster in latex | 09:21 |
| Fujitsu | Well, I meant LaTeX is sane. | 09:21 |
| Fujitsu | Nobody in their right mind uses TeX raw. | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | it took forever,but man it was beautiful | 09:21 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: hehe | 09:21 |
| minghua | maybe except Dr. Knuth? | 09:21 |
| Fujitsu | minghua, maybe. | 09:21 |
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| LaserJock | my advisor uses latex for everything | 09:22 |
| imbrandon | well when i get closer to being finished with it i'll poke Fujitsu or LaserJock to LaTeX it ;) | 09:22 |
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| imbrandon | lol | 09:22 |
| imbrandon | its only about 130 pages ;) | 09:22 |
| imbrandon | well ~130 neooffice pages, who knows properly layed out | 09:23 |
| minghua | my advisor uses MS Office for everything :-( | 09:24 |
| LaserJock | uggggg | 09:25 |
| minghua | well, plus EndNote | 09:25 |
| imbrandon | ok really gnight, c-yall | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | my advisor, until this year, only used fvwm, emacs, acroread, and firefox | 09:25 |
| Fujitsu | 'night. | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | cya imbrandon | 09:26 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, what does he use now? | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | OS X | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | with emacs, acrobat, and firefox ;-) | 09:26 |
| Fujitsu | Haha. | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | he used to even run fvwm on it | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | as he couldn't figure out how to use OS X itself | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | but he's gotten the hang of it now | 09:27 |
| LaserJock | stupid FC1 is what turned him to Apple | 09:27 |
| LaserJock | he had been a *nix user all his life | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | hard core Linux fanatic | 09:28 |
| Fujitsu | :( | 09:28 |
| ajmitch | but everyone knows that fedora is so great | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | would debate students in our instrumental analysis class about the evils of MS | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | and now it's all about the joy of Apple and OS X | 09:29 |
| Fujitsu | Fsck, that's bad. | 09:29 |
| ajmitch | the shiny has appeal | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | he couldn't care less about shiny though | 09:29 |
| Fujitsu | Just like this lag... | 09:29 |
| minghua | OS X _is_ good | 09:29 |
| imbrandon | the stable shiney has appeal | 09:29 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, you're meant to be in bed! | 09:29 |
| === imbrandon ducks | ||
| minghua | it's simple to use, so a good choice for scientists, I wold say | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 09:30 |
| minghua | s/wold/would/ | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | he bought the whole lab iMacs to replace our linux boxes | 09:30 |
| ajmitch | it's enough like unix to satisfy many | 09:30 |
| === minghua 's iBook is broken :-( | ||
| LaserJock | didn't want us to "waste our time" messing around with Linux | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | little did he know he created a raging Ubuntu-holic MOTU ;-) | 09:31 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 09:31 |
| ajmitch | who spends all his waking hours putting the rest of us to shame | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | bah | 09:31 |
| ajmitch | international superstar LaserJock! | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | no such thing | 09:31 |
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| LaserJock | I try to do what I can, just like everybody else | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | unfortunately I'm not nearly as good as most of you guys when it comes to packaging | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | unlike me :) | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | so no, not 'everyone' | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | I'm working on it though | 09:33 |
| minghua | no, no, some MOTUs just try harder | 09:34 |
| minghua | (unlike me) | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | shesh, I'd swear bddebian was somewhere around here | 09:35 |
| ajmitch | no, I said that I don't do work | 09:36 |
| ajmitch | not that I can't :) | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | ah | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | so bddebian is stupid | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | and ajmitch is lazy | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | got it ;-) | 09:36 |
| ajmitch | yep | 09:37 |
| LaserJock | and LaserJock is inefficient | 09:38 |
| LaserJock | man, we are a bunch of messed up MOTUs :-) | 09:38 |
| === imbrandon wonder where he fits in the motley motu's | ||
| ajmitch | imbrandon: you're no mere motu | 09:39 |
| imbrandon | oh yea | 09:39 |
| Fujitsu | Silly imbrandon. | 09:39 |
| === imbrandon headdesks | ||
| Fujitsu | I'm no MOTU either, so I'm allowed to do work :P | 09:39 |
| imbrandon | but but but ..... | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: haha | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | ok guys | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | I've *got* to get to bed | 09:40 |
| imbrandon | yea me too its like 3am | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | night LaserJock | 09:41 |
| imbrandon | REALLY gnight | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | my eyes have been killing me for 2 weeks almost | 09:41 |
| Fujitsu | Bye, LaserJock. | 09:41 |
| Fujitsu | Bye imbrandon. | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | too much stupid irc | 09:41 |
| Fujitsu | Get some sleep, LaserJock :( | 09:41 |
| === ajmitch agrees | ||
| === ajmitch gets back to doing pointless dev tasks | ||
| ajmitch | imbrandon: | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | 19:41 < phxheat> is kde4 going to be in the final release of edgy? | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | ;) | 09:42 |
| Fujitsu | ... | 09:42 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch: the development libs will be , but kde4 wont be released in time for even edgy+1 | 09:43 |
| ajmitch | I know, I thought it was funny though | 09:43 |
| imbrandon | but everything needed to build kde4 ( and even the current binarys of kdebase and kdelibs ) are in universe | 09:43 |
| imbrandon | ahhh okies | 09:43 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:43 |
| === imbrandon is tired and dident catch it at first | ||
| imbrandon | heh | 09:44 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, not even Edgy+1? I thought it was meant to be late this year... | 09:44 |
| imbrandon | well /possibly/ edgy+1 afaik the first "rc/alpha/beta/something" is december | 09:45 |
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| imbrandon | ( not counting the svn snapshots of "krash" right now ( 3.80.1 ) | 09:46 |
| ajmitch | and 4.0 will probably be dripping & bloody anyway ;) | 09:46 |
| zakame | dholbach: ping | 09:46 |
| xerxas | Hi guys ! | 09:46 |
| zakame | yo xerxas | 09:46 |
| dholbach | zakame: just about to leave for a run | 09:46 |
| zakame | dholbach: oh, just to say thanks for the greeting :D | 09:47 |
| dholbach | zakame: hehe, anytime ;-) | 09:47 |
| zakame | dholbach: :) | 09:47 |
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| zakame | dholbach: just wondering, are you related to baron holbach? as I read somewhere you lived ina castle :P | 09:48 |
| zakame | oh, ok, save that for later then :D | 09:48 |
| dholbach | zakame: ahahaha - not really ;-) | 09:48 |
| dholbach | zakame: I know that in the 1700es the Holbachs lived in France, but that's all I know, sorry :) | 09:49 |
| zakame | ah | 09:49 |
| zakame | well I ran across that guy in my classes on Philo, hehe | 09:49 |
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| azeem | Laser_away: well, I planned to merge them myself at some point, but didn't get around yet :-/ | 10:43 |
| azeem | gchempaint should be there RSN, then I'll take a look, what was the deadline? | 10:43 |
| crimsun | thursday (9/28) | 10:52 |
| azeem | thanks | 10:52 |
| Fujitsu | It's going to be really really useful maybe being a MOTU as of Wednesday, isn't it? :P | 10:55 |
| crimsun | by Wednesday we need to shift from new->critical bugfixes | 10:55 |
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| Fujitsu | True. | 10:56 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks crimsun :) | 10:56 |
| === ajmitch sighs | ||
| ajmitch | too much that I need to get done | 10:56 |
| === dredg does the dance of manager approval to go to mountain view | ||
| ajmitch | lucky for some | 10:57 |
| dredg | we are hosting the summit ;) | 10:57 |
| ajmitch | hm | 10:58 |
| === minghua wish he could go | ||
| === ajmitch also | ||
| minghua | it is finally in US | 10:58 |
| crimsun | I couldn't score time to go, either | 10:58 |
| ajmitch | oh I've got time | 10:59 |
| dredg | worst location ever though :) | 10:59 |
| === minghua wonders when the developer's summit will go to asia | ||
| ajmitch | I just don't have $$ | 10:59 |
| ajmitch | dredg: any idea where people are going to be able to stay? | 10:59 |
| dredg | ajmitch: not a clue | 11:00 |
| === Fujitsu makes a note to get another MOTU to approve all those syncs. | ||
| dredg | Mountain View is hardly the centre of activity - you pretty much need a car to get around anywhere | 11:00 |
| dredg | thoguh there is a caltrain to SF | 11:00 |
| ajmitch | that's what I fear | 11:00 |
| ajmitch | other summits have been good, being in the hotel | 11:00 |
| ajmitch | less time wastage getting around | 11:01 |
| dredg | it's about 3 miles from castro to the campus | 11:02 |
| ajmitch | a bit far to walk :) | 11:03 |
| dredg | i've walked it. like fun, but subtly different. | 11:03 |
| ajmitch | haha | 11:03 |
| ajmitch | I'm sure that something would be sorted | 11:04 |
| === ajmitch will just have to wait another week for sponsorship info | ||
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| dredg | depends where people are staying. i'll either be staying in an apartment in mountain view or in a hotel in SF | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | hi spacey | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | dredg: coming from .ie? | 11:05 |
| spacey | hi there | 11:05 |
| Fujitsu | Can <insert MOTU other than crimsun> please second crimsun's approval on Bugs 62261->62273, excluding 62264, 62267 and 62270? | 11:05 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 62261 in Ubuntu "Please sync amap-align 2.0-1 from Debian Sid (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62261 | 11:05 |
| spacey | how is it hanging? | 11:05 |
| dredg | ajmitch: yeah | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: why is it required, when they're in debian already? | 11:06 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: you don't need two acks | 11:06 |
| Fujitsu | Oh. | 11:06 |
| crimsun | (that's why I've already subbed u-a) | 11:06 |
| Fujitsu | Just for packages outside Debian? | 11:06 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 11:06 |
| Fujitsu | Oops. | 11:06 |
| ajmitch | I *only* heard of this 2-ACK requirement for syncs this morning | 11:06 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: when was it announced? | 11:06 |
| Fujitsu | Why'd I have to get LaserJock's as well for treeviewx, then? | 11:06 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: it wasn't; it's only for REVU (new and not in Debian) | 11:06 |
| Fujitsu | Dinner now. | 11:06 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 11:07 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: sorry, I misinformed you. | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: right, and why should there be two ACKs needed on syncs in that case? | 11:07 |
| dredg | ajmitch: there are hotels in MV itself but it really is a pain in the ass to get to google | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | I'd assume that I'd be able to request new packages into edgy still by myself | 11:07 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: there doesn't need to be two for syncs from Debian. I was wrongly aligning the policy with REVU's. | 11:08 |
| dredg | if I'm staying in MV I'll have a car. If not, I'll be getting a shuttle from SF | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: good, so it sounds like business as usual then :) | 11:09 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: yep | 11:09 |
| === minghua reminds himself to write the wiki page about sync procedures... | ||
| dredg | but as a rule, public transport around mountain view is non-existant | 11:12 |
| dredg | it's 45min walk or so to the nearest fry's | 11:12 |
| ajmitch | attendees will get fit.. | 11:14 |
| dredg | cars for some, tiny american flags for everyone else! ;) | 11:14 |
| seaLne | has anyone packaged any ruby stuff? i'm having problems trying to get it in /usr rather than /usr/local | 11:14 |
| crimsun | what build system does it use? | 11:16 |
| seaLne | autotools | 11:17 |
| seaLne | i think i have found the problem | 11:17 |
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| Fujitsu | Back. | 11:29 |
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| ajmitch | Fujitsu: fixed the universe yet? | 11:41 |
| Fujitsu | Oh yes, it's all fixed. Not a single bug or old version remaining. | 11:41 |
| Fujitsu | I'm using my uber-leet nothing-powers. | 11:42 |
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| ajmitch | Fujitsu: good to hear | 11:50 |
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| iapx8088 | hi alle | 01:09 |
| seaLne | DESTDIR with make install install is a built in thing? | 01:09 |
| iapx8088 | mhmmh | 01:10 |
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| iapx8088 | I have a little OT | 01:10 |
| iapx8088 | for a package I want to push in REVU | 01:10 |
| iapx8088 | It's an automake question | 01:10 |
| iapx8088 | I have four dirs | 01:11 |
| iapx8088 | mmh maybe I sorted that one | 01:11 |
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| iapx8088 | mmhmh | 01:56 |
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| xerxas | can I suppres a bzr branch ? | 02:16 |
| xerxas | suppress | 02:16 |
| ajmitch | what do you mean by that? | 02:17 |
| xerxas | https://launchpad.net/people/telepathy/+branch/pymsn/ubuntu | 02:17 |
| xerxas | precisely: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/pymsn/ubuntu | 02:17 |
| xerxas | the code in this branch is for package telepathy-butterfly and not for pymsn | 02:17 |
| xerxas | I maybe spletted something ... | 02:18 |
| xerxas | I'm restarting to package pymsn from scratch | 02:18 |
| ajmitch | you'd have to ask #launchpad | 02:18 |
| ajmitch | I don't know if you can delete a branch at all | 02:18 |
| xerxas | ajmitch, ok , thanks | 02:18 |
| xerxas | I don't need a "Provides" field in control , right ? | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | not unless you're providing a virtual package | 02:19 |
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| xerxas | ajmitch, a virtual package is let's say "webserver" ? | 02:29 |
| xerxas | then I can do apt-get install webserver | 02:29 |
| xerxas | and this installs apache2 ? (just as an example) | 02:29 |
| xerxas | dholbach, ? | 02:29 |
| ajmitch | httpd, rather than webserver, but yes | 02:30 |
| iapx8088 | hi all | 02:31 |
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| xerxas | ajmitch, cool | 02:35 |
| iapx8088 | I have an issue with my package | 02:35 |
| iapx8088 | at the final step, some .a libs complain about function in other .a libs | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | hey all | 02:36 |
| iapx8088 | but I have put a LIBADD in those makefiles | 02:36 |
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| zul | hi Hobbsee | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 02:43 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee! | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch! | 02:44 |
| Mithrandir | hi Hobbsee | 02:44 |
| === Mithrandir runs off before he's poked | ||
| Mithrandir | (or stomped or similar) | 02:45 |
| crimsun | what the heck is Joel Bryan Juliano smoking? [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-September/095156.html] | 02:45 |
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| ajmitch | Hobbsee: careful, he's the one approving any updates to main | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: right....good point that, i do have an upload i need to make. | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | need to fix it first though | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: something very strange | 02:46 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: I want some! | 02:46 |
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| jsgotangco | crimsun: he's always something really crackful | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | smoking that his | 02:49 |
| ajmitch | he considers that a branding move? wow | 02:49 |
| jsgotangco | he's ok in person, if a bit too quiet but i dunno what he's smoking when he makes posts | 02:49 |
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| iapx8088 | mmh | 02:51 |
| tseng | With these things, I'm wondering, is this really open source... | 02:51 |
| tseng | clearly not | 02:51 |
| iapx8088 | how it was an unified patch between dirs | 02:51 |
| iapx8088 | diff -urN? | 02:51 |
| tseng | yes | 02:51 |
| iapx8088 | thanks | 02:52 |
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| tseng | wow -users is awful | 02:55 |
| zul | tseng: how so? | 02:55 |
| tseng | eh | 02:57 |
| zul | tseng> wow -users is awful | 02:57 |
| tseng | yes, it is | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | it must be worse than kubuntu-users then | 02:58 |
| tseng | but I guess it is not for me | 02:58 |
| tseng | and I will happily ignore it | 02:58 |
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| seaLne | anyone have time to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3243 | 03:46 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:57 |
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| sharms | howdy | 04:15 |
| bddebian | Heya sharms | 04:16 |
| sharms | bddebian: finally became an official member, thanks for the vote of confidence way back | 04:18 |
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| bddebian | sharms: Great, welcome! | 04:19 |
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| Toadstool | heya everybody | 04:43 |
| bddebian | Heya Toadstool | 04:44 |
| Toadstool | hi bddebian | 04:45 |
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| phanatic | good afternoon | 05:02 |
| bddebian | Heya phanatic | 05:03 |
| phanatic | heya bddebian | 05:03 |
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| jblack | ogra: Ping. :) | 05:05 |
| ogra | jblack, pongedipong | 05:05 |
| ogra | hikenboot, how are you ? | 05:05 |
| ogra | oops | 05:05 |
| jblack | Hey buddy! What's shaking? | 05:05 |
| ogra | lots of work ;) | 05:05 |
| jblack | I bet. :) | 05:05 |
| ogra | just came back from detroit ... | 05:06 |
| jblack | What were you doing there? | 05:06 |
| ogra | ltsp hackfest | 05:06 |
| jblack | The company went to _detroit_? Or just you? | 05:06 |
| ogra | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5 | 05:06 |
| ogra | only me for some days | 05:06 |
| ogra | but i must admit i like your country :) | 05:06 |
| jblack | Don't hold detroit against the US. Its one of our dirtiest cities. | 05:06 |
| ogra | even though i dont like homeland security :) | 05:07 |
| jblack | come out here to pennsylvania some time. I'll take care of you. | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | you liked the USA? | 05:07 |
| ogra | yep | 05:07 |
| ogra | was my first time ... | 05:07 |
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| ogra | jsgotangco, the country is nice ... most people i met were as well ... | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | well yeah | 05:07 |
| jblack | ogra: Come out here to pennsylvania. We'll chain smoke on the porch all day. | 05:07 |
| ogra | (i'm not talking about politics ;) ) | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | be in the right place at the right time and you'll definitely enjoy it | 05:08 |
| ogra | jblack, yay ... we'll be in mountainview in november ... | 05:08 |
| ogra | and i'll probably go to maine before | 05:08 |
| jblack | Yeah. I have some idea of what you went through. With all the travel I did, I got on to the "not-so-random" random list. Pain in the rear. | 05:08 |
| ogra | yeah | 05:08 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 05:08 |
| jblack | Maine? I might be able to swing a trip up there for a couple days to say hi. | 05:08 |
| ogra | if i go (undecided yet) i'll be there from nov 1st to 4th | 05:09 |
| jblack | Its probably an 8 hour trip each way, but I miss seeing you. | 05:09 |
| ogra | dunno exactly which city yet | 05:09 |
| jblack | You know its cold in main in november, right? | 05:09 |
| jblack | maine, I mean. | 05:09 |
| ogra | like in germany i suppose | 05:09 |
| tseng | jblack: he wants a big thanksgiving turkey | 05:09 |
| jblack | I'll look over my finances when its closer, and I'll come up to say hi if I can swing it. Ok? | 05:10 |
| ogra | well, thanksgiving is over in nov, isnt it ? | 05:10 |
| tseng | ogra: that was in Canada | 05:10 |
| ogra | sure, i'll mail you with details :) | 05:10 |
| jblack | Its on the other side of Nov. Thats when we celebrate slaughting idigenous people by eating over fed birds. | 05:10 |
| tseng | ogra: the real thanksgiving is in November | 05:10 |
| ogra | oh | 05:10 |
| jblack | *slaughtering. | 05:11 |
| === ogra is so ignorant against US culture :) | ||
| tseng | ogra: Canada is like the Bizzaro US | 05:11 |
| jblack | Don't worry. I'm ignorant against US culture too. | 05:11 |
| jblack | Yeah. Please mail me. | 05:11 |
| jblack | So, anyways, I was wondering if you could kick the mythtv guys for me? | 05:11 |
| ogra | if i knew who that is :) | 05:12 |
| === tseng points at imbrandon | ||
| jblack | I don't know either. Its a team email address. | 05:12 |
| ogra | since mdz gave up maintainig it i'm not sure who cares | 05:12 |
| jblack | Its neither fish now fowl right now. The core is 0.20 and all the fun stuff is still at 0.18. Probably stuck in download or build. | 05:12 |
| ogra | and since tseng is the rather active -motu guy i suppose he's right pointing to imbrandon | 05:13 |
| tseng | haha rather active | 05:13 |
| ogra | well, there are still 3 days for upgrading it | 05:13 |
| slomo_ | a sync from debian/multimedia was requested | 05:13 |
| slomo_ | but nobody wants to sync from there | 05:13 |
| jblack | Nah. Its not in Debian. | 05:13 |
| slomo_ | so someone feel free to do a fakesync now | 05:13 |
| tseng | jblack: thats not what he said | 05:13 |
| jblack | mdz moved the packages from debian to ubuntu. | 05:13 |
| slomo_ | jblack: no not in debian... but debian/multimedia | 05:13 |
| jblack | The section listed here is multiverse/graphics | 05:14 |
| slomo_ | www.debian-multimedia.org | 05:14 |
| jblack | bleh. | 05:15 |
| jblack | I did an in place upgrade from Debian to edgy just to get mythtv on the box when I couldn't find marillat. :) | 05:15 |
| jblack | btw, in place upgrades are not fun. | 05:16 |
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| ogra | rebuilds are more proper ;) | 05:17 |
| tseng | from unstable to edgy is a weird upgrade path indeed | 05:18 |
| jblack | Yeah. A reinstall would have been more sane. The filesystem has a certain nostalgia for me though. | 05:18 |
| jblack | That filesystm has been with me through thick and thin for about a decade. I couldn't just kill it off. | 05:18 |
| jblack | tseng Its somthing to not advise unless the person considering it has a very solid understanding of both debian and ubuntu, and has the time to do it. | 05:21 |
| tseng | jblack: sounds about right | 05:22 |
| tseng | jblack: luckily you qualify | 05:22 |
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| bluefoxicy | how do I tell cdbs not to run ./configure | 08:01 |
| xerxas | bluefoxicy: what are you trying to package ? | 08:13 |
| xerxas | how does it build ? | 08:13 |
| bluefoxicy | xerxas: http://north.one.pl/~kazik/pub/LZOlayer/ | 08:13 |
| xerxas | bluefoxicy: how does it build ? | 08:14 |
| bluefoxicy | you type make | 08:14 |
| Gloubiboulga | use the makefile.mk class the | 08:14 |
| Gloubiboulga | n | 08:15 |
| bluefoxicy | got it. | 08:15 |
| bluefoxicy | section:Utilities? | 08:16 |
| Gloubiboulga | 'utils' | 08:18 |
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| bluefoxicy | dpkg-source: error: source package name `LZOlayer-fs' contains illegal character `L' | 08:21 |
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| Gloubiboulga | you can't use capital letters in a source package name | 08:22 |
| === bluefoxicy messes with some stuff. | ||
| bluefoxicy | gpg agent is terminally broken in seahorse | 08:23 |
| bluefoxicy | and fuckin' dpkg-buildpackage is asking me for a passphares | 08:26 |
| bluefoxicy | which I give it | 08:26 |
| bluefoxicy | and it says "oh well I can't connect to seahorse anyway so I don't trust you still" and fails to sign | 08:26 |
| tseng | bluefoxicy: settle down please | 08:27 |
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| bluefoxicy | I have to e-mail this guy. | 08:38 |
| bluefoxicy | Copyrights reserved, blah blah | 08:38 |
| bluefoxicy | Use it at your OWN RISK | 08:38 |
| bluefoxicy | Absolutely NO WARANTY | 08:38 |
| bluefoxicy | ^^^ That's his copyright statement... I don't think it fits in with the guidelines | 08:38 |
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| joejaxx | anyone here know about generating isos from seeds? | 08:41 |
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| joejaxx | probably not since this is the repository maintainers channel :) | 08:44 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 09:48 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 09:49 |
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| LaserJock | hi guys | 09:52 |
| zul | hey LaserJock and ajmitch | 09:53 |
| givre | Hi guys, i have a problem uploading a package :Uploading via ftp ntfs-3g_20070920-BETA-1ubuntu1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of ntfs-3g_20070920-BETA-1ubuntu1.dsc | 09:57 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 09:57 |
| givre | What can i do ? | 09:57 |
| ajmitch | givre: I'll clear the queue | 09:57 |
| robitaille | q/quit | 09:57 |
| givre | ajmitch: thanks | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | givre: make sure you upload a source-only package | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | (debuild -S -sa) | 09:58 |
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| givre | yeah, i forgot that in a first attempt, that's why i wanted to cancel it | 09:59 |
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| ajmitch | try again now, it should work | 09:59 |
| givre | That works. Thanks | 10:02 |
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| imbrandon | moins | 10:14 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: isn't it like 3 or 4 pm there? | 10:16 |
| tseng | LaserJock: moins has nothing to do with time of day | 10:16 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: yea but i slept late, rember i dident goto bed till after 4am ;) | 10:17 |
| ajmitch | crazy people | 10:17 |
| imbrandon | heya ajmitch | 10:18 |
| imbrandon | looks like all the mailing lists are picking back up some steam, after a weekend of nothing | 10:18 |
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| LaserJock | sometimes binary NEW is just a bummer | 10:58 |
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| ajmitch | LaserJock: so is source-in-NEW :) | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | well | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | but I get all excited when my source package makes it past source NEW and builds | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | heh | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | and then it sits in NEW again | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | :/ | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | I would have thought they'd approve source+binary | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | apparently not | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | ah well | 11:19 |
| === ajmitch is happy that keybuk gave some useful tips on the selinux+upstart problem | ||
| ajmitch | now I'll just need to cut up some code & test it | 11:19 |
| LaserJock | it's been there since the 22nd | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | and ouch, there are 92 packages in the NEW queue | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | wow, mutt has increased my ML posting considerably | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | I've written 2 emails today already ;-) | 11:22 |
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| LaserJock | hiya Q-FUNK | 11:22 |
| Q-FUNK | howdy | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | hello Q-FUNK | 11:22 |
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| === Yagisan waves hello | ||
| LaserJock | hi Yagisan | 11:33 |
| Yagisan | man - I feel odd. I'm up at the right time for my timezone | 11:34 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 11:34 |
| LaserJock | I was going to say | 11:34 |
| ajmitch | morning Yagisan | 11:35 |
| Yagisan | I suppose I should have breakfast of something | 11:35 |
| Yagisan | G'day ajmitch | 11:35 |
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| Yagisan | ajmitch, I taught my pbuilder how to use distcc yester :) | 11:36 |
| Yagisan | s/yester/yesterday | 11:36 |
| ajmitch | that's a recipe for disaster | 11:36 |
| Fujitsu | Hey ajmitch. | 11:37 |
| ajmitch | hi | 11:37 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch, edgy pbuilder and edgy systems. | 11:37 |
| Yagisan | was fun anyway | 11:37 |
| Fujitsu | So, what are out almighty MOTUs doing today (other than going crazy because there's only two days left)? | 11:39 |
| Q-FUNK | good evening y'all | 11:40 |
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| Q-FUNK | erm... going crazy because there's only 2 days left, mostly | 11:40 |
| Q-FUNK | ;) | 11:40 |
| Q-FUNK | brb | 11:40 |
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| lupine_85 | My package hasn't been accepted yet :'( | 11:44 |
| ajmitch | lupine_85: which package, and where? | 11:46 |
| lupine_85 | rutilt, on REVU | 11:47 |
| lupine_85 | it had a few silly errors but I think it's all OK now | 11:47 |
| ajmitch | you mean that it hasn't been reviewed & advocated? | 11:47 |
| lupine_85 | erm, I think so :) | 11:47 |
| ajmitch | ok.. | 11:47 |
| === ajmitch thought you meant that the upload had failed | ||
| lupine_85 | ah, sorry | 11:48 |
| lupine_85 | had plenty of hassle getting it up there, but it is there now | 11:48 |
| Fujitsu | What do we do with universe security vulnerabilities (tor, in this case) that affect hoary, breezy, dapper, and current edgy (but edgy will be fixed when my sync is requested). | 11:49 |
| Fujitsu | *? | 11:49 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: "Fierce Falcon" you gotta be kidding me ;-) | 11:49 |
| lupine_85 | I'm assuming that if it doesn't get in before the freeze, it won't get in at all until edgy+1.. is that right? | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: you prepare & submit debdiffs to the security team | 11:50 |
| Fujitsu | Fierce Falcon is /boooring/. | 11:50 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: package up a fix and get it off to pitti | 11:50 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: its was really justa joke | 11:50 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch said it better, as usual | 11:50 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures | 11:50 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I'm just kidding ya. I think I like falcon better than fierce | 11:50 |
| ajmitch | getting the changelog & versioning right is important | 11:50 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 11:51 |
| Fujitsu | Hm. I thought that was for main only... | 11:51 |
| === Fujitsu looks. | ||
| lupine_85 | Free Falcon? ;) | 11:51 |
| Fujitsu | Bug #58605, security advisory at http://archives.seul.org/or/announce/Aug-2006/msg00001.html... It doesn't meet the guidelines on SecurityUpdateProcedures, I don't think. | 11:52 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58605 in tor "Upstream reports security flaw: clients will relay traffic" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58605 | 11:52 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: it doesn't matter, the only difference between Universe and Main for security is MOTUs have to do the work ;-) | 11:52 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: s/MOTUs/usually crimsun/ | 11:53 |
| Fujitsu | OK, but it says the only updates will be for permission circumvention or data loss... | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: package it up and ask pitti about it | 11:53 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | if he doesn't want it then he'll reject it | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | no biggy really | 11:54 |
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| ajmitch | he's less likely to reject something where someone has put in the work | 11:54 |
| Yagisan | ah - speaking of packages, after the freeze when you guys are less busy, I'd like to some packaging help with something that's probably edgy + 1. | 11:54 |
| Yagisan | Fujitsu, debdiff your patch, and send it too the list. pitti crimsum and some others (like me, and probally ajmitch) will eyeball it and you'll get a go/no go for it | 11:55 |
| Fujitsu | They've got 0.1.0.18, which is fixed... The others all have older versions of 0.1.0.x, shall I locate the specific fix and attempt to backport it? | 11:56 |
| Yagisan | that is more work for you, but more likely to be accepted | 11:57 |
| Fujitsu | I realise that, yes, that's why I asked. | 11:57 |
| Fujitsu | Brb. | 11:57 |
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| LaserJock | grrr, why does edgy eat my /etc/resolv.conf? | 12:00 |
| LaserJock | and my gateway | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | that's not fun | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | anybody got a clue? :/ | 12:05 |
| lupine_85 | dapper did that too | 12:05 |
| lupine_85 | to do with dhclient, IIRC | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | dhclient? | 12:05 |
| === lupine_85 sets dns-nameserver in his /etc/network/interfaces | ||
| lupine_85 | DHCP | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | I don't use DHCP | 12:06 |
| lupine_85 | hmm, strange then# | 12:06 |
| LaserJock | I fixed this once | 12:06 |
| lupine_85 | maybe #ubuntu+1 ? | 12:06 |
| LaserJock | but every time I reboot it resets my network | 12:06 |
| lupine_85 | are the settings in /etc/network/interfaces ? | 12:08 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 12:08 |
| lupine_85 | hmm | 12:08 |
| === lupine_85 would set up something in rc.local , but he's lazy | ||
| lupine_85 | is it possible that something Xy is overriding them? | 12:09 |
| lupine_85 | network-manager (spit) etc? | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | I don't have network-manager | 12:09 |
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