[12:09] see i wish i had the time to monitor the forum and spot "bug reports" and lock/delete the thread and ask them to file a bug report [12:09] that would help sigifgantly [12:10] See, I wish forum users were sane and didn't use it as a bug tracker. [12:10] Fujitsu: exactly [12:10] Oh look, it even says up the top: [12:10] Please note developers are not very active here. If you wish to file a bug report please do so here. [12:10] Where `here' is a link [12:10] but a good modirator that would stiffle it a few times and it would become the norm [12:10] but its not [12:11] instead there posted there, ignored by us and given "hacks" to "fix" it that later becomes a big problem [12:11] Fujitsu: they ignore that repeatedly [12:11] ajmitch, I noticed :P [12:12] maybe if they add an icon for "here"... [12:13] :) [12:13] or a big RED

here

[12:13] nah... malone is iconless [12:13] it wouldn't work [12:13] Maybe if they took up half the posting window with a big, red, flashing `DON'T POST BUG REPORTS HERE, DIMWITS' [12:13] Then, and only then, will they see it. [12:13] Fujitsu: and ignore it [12:14] Probably. [12:14] shesh [12:14] :-) [12:14] :)) [12:15] the thing is, I confess, I was a forum person. That's how I got introduced to Ubuntu [12:15] just imagine how many forum posts you would need for this type of conversation... [12:15] heh === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:15] well, it was fun, now it's time to kill the eye [12:16] i wish you happy flaming and ranting [12:16] hehe [12:16] Hah. [12:16] heh [12:16] try to do some work while taking a break :) === Fujitsu looks for more bugs to fix. [12:16] Anybody got any ideas? [12:16] heh [12:16] nah we're all just voicing our opinions, i think we all adult enough to know its nothing personal [12:16] 'night [12:16] gnight ivoks [12:16] 'night [12:16] brb food time [12:17] maybe it's just me. I just feel these community interaction issues are pretty important [12:17] maybe I should just vent to jono ;-) [12:17] LaserJock, they are very important. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu taps packages.qa.debian.org. [12:24] Wakey wakey.. [12:24] heh [12:24] Fujitsu: lists.d.o is awol as well [12:24] does packages.qa.debian.org work well in CLI browsers? [12:24] maybe it got hacked again [12:24] ajmitch, I noticed. [12:24] :( [12:25] hm, that's master.. === ajmitch gets asked for a password [12:26] and it should have my ssh key on there [12:26] heh, DDs get to have all the cool stuff [12:26] Yeah, those evil evil uber-privileged things :P [12:26] " master accounts temporarily disabled" [12:27] from #d-d topic [12:27] yikes [12:27] Fantastic. [12:27] yeah [12:27] Master accounts, though? What are they? === Bazzi [n=Bastian@p5080417C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] could that be a normal thing? or does that indicate a hack? [12:27] `APT IS BORKED!!!' [12:27] LaserJock: it's not particularly normal, could be hardware [12:27] ohnoes! [12:27] What is a master account? [12:28] Fujitsu: master.debian.org [12:28] That's not very useful, as connection is refused... What is master.debian.org? [12:28] heh would help if it came up [12:29] ok, so out of lynx, elinks, and w3m which do you guys prefer [12:29] elinks. === LaserJock is trying his best to keep us OT ;-) [12:29] i like elinks [12:29] hahaha === imbrandon is the master of -motu OT [12:29] I'm not really [12:30] I'm trying to work on better development efficiency [12:30] as I have decided that I must be the slowest MOTU alive [12:31] lol [12:31] No you're not. I haven't seen all 53 MOTUs in this channel at all, let alone recently. :P [12:31] there are 53 now? [12:31] holy crap [12:31] im going to stop vouching for people [12:31] once it was like me, ajmitch, ogra, dholbach [12:32] mhm [12:32] dholbach did all the work [12:32] Fujitsu: just becosue someone wasent on irc dosent mean they arent active ;) [12:32] tseng: I don't bother supporting people unless I worked with them a bit [12:32] ahh, the good old days [12:32] imbrandon, true... But I haven't seen uploads from most of them either. [12:32] ajmitch: you never supported me ;( [12:32] tseng: don't forget crimsun [12:32] yeah [12:33] makes us feel old, and ubuntu has only been round awhile [12:33] Ooh, nice. [12:33] the interesting thing is you guys still to much of the work [12:33] I am old [12:33] s/to/do/ [12:33] I can tell Thunderbird to order by sender, and then group by sender, so I get a list of all the people who have uploaded packages. [12:34] tseng: 41 people in core-dev now [12:34] zul: yeah well.. [12:34] hehe.. [12:35] ajmitch: well [12:35] ajmitch: jdub is still in there for example [12:35] jdub quit canonical , not core dev [12:35] lamont, mako [12:35] chmj [12:36] imbrandon: he wouldnt be in there if not for working at canonical at the begining [12:36] nor mako [12:36] chris halls hasn't done anything on ubuntu for a long time [12:36] i dont even remember that name [12:36] haggai [12:36] oh [12:36] was around very early on [12:36] he worked on Kubuntu, no? [12:36] not since wart [12:36] y [12:36] Never heard of him. [12:36] he was doing openoffice at the begining [12:37] and was supposed to lead motu [12:37] haggai was kubuntu guy way way back [12:37] no wonder he's gone [12:37] yeah [12:37] he's around, just not active, I think [12:37] we probably have more inactive MOTUs [12:37] like people that haven't been seen for a year [12:37] that and memberships are only 2 years, so alot will expire soon if they dont renew === ajmitch checks his coredev membership [12:38] in another year [12:38] there were no motus in warty [12:38] mdz and seb128 uploaded for me [12:38] and membership is from when they started using launchpad [12:38] yea it might be good to have them yearly instead of 2 years, but honestly i dont see it hurting anything [12:38] 2005-09-07 [12:39] imbrandon: gpg keys floating around is hurting something [12:39] see Debian [12:39] well, so I've been core dev for more than a year & I didn't realise [12:39] tseng: true [12:39] ajmitch: how do you check that [12:39] https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-core-dev/+members [12:40] yours is dated from the start of using LP [12:40] oh [12:40] ajmitch: sign me up! haha, i couldn't dev/package my way out of a wet paperbag ;) [12:40] clever [12:40] I think yearly might be a better idea, as a lot can happen in two years... [12:40] expires 2007-06-06 === xopher [n=xopher@a84-230-121-147.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] nixternal: lol === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-144-164.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon expires 2008-09-10 === Fujitsu doesn't expire, as hasn't been approved yet. Win. [12:41] nice [12:41] I [12:41] *I don't expire! Yay. [12:41] lol [12:41] Brandon Holtsclaw 2006-09-09 2008-09-10 Approved [12:42] that is scarey [12:42] i think there is a typo there ;) [12:42] yup a whole 15 days as core now [12:42] After one month in -dev, that was really impressive. [12:42] ok time to do some RL stuff, bbiab [12:43] im done with RL, it just isn't as satisfying as FL [12:44] FL? === ajmitch needs to find some spare time before freeze [12:44] Fake Life? [12:44] ajmitch, why? [12:44] Fujitsu: to get stuff done, of course [12:44] Ubuntu stuff? [12:45] Who needs spare time.. [12:46] yes, ubuntu stuff [12:46] that's why I said freeze [12:46] True. [12:46] It could have just been NZ freezing over :P === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:51] fwiw, I was right about master.d.o [12:51] just had a hardware upgrade [12:52] ajmitch: beagle is beating f-spot on bugs now, btw [12:53] :P [12:53] yay [12:53] about the same number of "zomg crash!!!!1" [12:54] my favorite is still bug 34074 [12:54] Malone bug 34074 in f-spot "Dapper becomes unstable when disk full after f-spot import" [Low,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34074 [12:54] oh yes [12:55] Thanks, crimsun. [12:55] about the only valid part of that is that f-spot could check for free space [12:55] so could 'touch' [12:55] or 'xuath' [12:55] xauth [12:55] got bit by that the other day [12:55] Hahah, yes. [12:55] does importing create a copy? [12:55] yes of course [12:55] off a camera [12:55] except that f-spot tends to copy a few hundred MB of photos === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] so it'd be 'friendly' to warn [12:56] it can also copy to its own dir [12:56] tseng: but if you had it somewhere else on you drive [12:56] ala itunes [12:56] LaserJock: it can [12:56] hence why the bug is low priority [12:56] should probably be wishlist [12:56] yeah, I noticed that in iTunes the other day === ajmitch retitles bug [12:56] I was wondering why I seemed to have twice the diskusage I should have [12:57] and then I found I had 2 copies of all my music [12:57] LaserJock, I love that, although I haven't used iTunes in years. === imbrandon hugs iTunes [12:58] bug 34074 [12:58] Malone bug 34074 in f-spot "F-Spot does not warn user if the free space is low before importing photos" [Low,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34074 [12:58] long title [12:58] Good, good. [12:58] I dislike the fact that I have to jump through hoops to listen to songs I buy from iTMS. [12:59] crimsun: heh true, burn to cd-rw , re-rip [12:59] ick, no. [12:59] I don't get music online so I've never had to worry about that [01:00] what does it do? [01:00] while I was still able to purchase using iTunes 5.0.1, I used jHymn 0.9.2 to strip the DRM. With the introduction of iTunes 7, Apple locked out previous versions. Now I have to use QTFairuse6 2.4+. [01:00] Or you could just not use iTMS. [01:01] true, but paying 3x the amount for CDs doesn't seem very economical either [01:01] exactly [01:01] True... [01:01] itunes isnt all bad, they had to do the drm to get the riaa off their ass, now it bit them ( the price wars ) [01:01] but itues and itv are very nice [01:01] (and again, I made that tradeoff, so I'm willing to live with its "shackle" ramifications) [01:02] crimsun: what do you use to purchase itms songs on linux ? anything? [01:03] I don't. I reboot into Windows. [01:03] iTunes doesn't need to pollute my Linux partition kthx. [01:03] imbrandon: well i found out my packages does not allow you to upgrade lol [01:03] to teach myself pyqt i started making a itunes clone ( not that we need another music player etc etc etc , its a learning experince ) [01:03] crimsun: haha :P [01:03] so i was just curious [01:04] What does `Pending' as a package release status mean? [01:05] no idea [01:05] Hm. [01:06] It's `Published' now, so I presume it just means that Publisher has seen it, but hasn't actually looked at it. [01:06] 'cause it had no date/time either. === caravena [n=caravena@223-45-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] bah, I can't be arch-specific with dh_install -si --fail-missing . :( === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hikenboot [n=hikenboo@c-24-218-84-234.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === compotatoj [n=jeff@cpe-75-80-136-188.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === compotatoj [n=jeff@cpe-75-80-136-188.san.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === doko__ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-080-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === redguy [n=mati@afb193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community/leader/forum/admin/Hawkwind] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hawkwind [n=SoS@cpe-72-181-114-83.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] What does the number in brackets after `Pending' in the to-be-built list mean? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] Fujitsu: packages in the queue before that one? [02:22] I don't believe so, as there aren't that many in the queue. === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] where is the queue visible, btw? [02:22] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue === Q-FUNK is wondering what's takign so long with the sync [02:23] Gah. There are ~328 buildd-minutes of language packs in the queue... And since they're only building on the two i386 buildds, they're going to be blocking things for ages :( [02:23] Q-FUNK, Tuesdays and Fridays are archive days. [02:23] indeed [02:23] and it was acked a while back already [02:24] Yes, they can wait for up to a week or so. [02:25] when is it that edgy is expected to release? [02:25] October 26th. [02:25] Beta on the 28th, same day as UniverseFreeze. [02:25] ah. still 1 month then. :) [02:25] oh [02:26] that's a bit too close [02:26] Yes, it is. [02:26] Only important bug fixes after UniverseFreeze unless you get an exception approved. [02:27] well, this fixes something that actually prevented usage. [02:27] Which package? [02:27] cups-pdf [02:27] user priviledge separation prevented usage. [02:28] Ah, that one. [02:28] Well, all outstanding syncs will be processed before the freeze. [02:28] fixed since cups 1.2 allows using permissions on the back-end as a way to control this. [02:28] so I adjusted that in postinst. [02:29] hopefully :) [02:30] I would just like to finally put this one behind me. That issue has been a showstopper on Ubuntu for ages and I'm glad a solution was finaly found. [02:33] is anyone picking up audacious from revu? [02:33] seems the packager gave up [02:33] I'll have a look. [02:34] yay :-) [02:34] people requested it on #ubuntu-se ;-) [02:35] Yes, I lot of people do. [02:35] :-) [02:36] Stupid 64kbps... This'll take about 10min to download... [02:36] Woah. [02:36] That's a huge .diff.gz. [02:36] Q-FUNK: what's the bug #? [02:36] hmm, there is no link to the REVU wikipage from REVU ;-) [02:36] where do I file a bug? :-) [02:37] crimsun, are you good for the TB meeting this week? [02:37] Nafallo: https://launchpad.net/products/revu/+filebug [02:37] ;) [02:38] wow. I didn't even think there might be a product there :- [02:38] :-P [02:38] Fujitsu: finaly going for MOTU ? [02:38] imbrandon, yes, with LaserJock's (and hopefully crimsun's) support. [02:39] great ( i'd be happy to come cheer too as i've caught the few crimsun dident get ) heh [02:39] Ooh, yes please :) [02:40] whens the TB ? === bddebian will come and heckle [02:40] hehe [02:40] 0600 Wednesday here... [02:40] Fujitsu: unlikely. Tuesdays are very bad days. I will attempt to be present, but unfortunately I can't guarantee I'll be able to make it. I'm happy to send an e-mail in my stead, though. [02:40] So 2000 UTC Tuesday [02:40] crimsun, OK, an email is fine :) [02:41] ugh vista rc1 all over the internet [02:41] when will people learn [02:41] Yeah. [02:41] there's some publicly available build that's newer than rc1, no? [02:42] bddebian, you can support me? [02:42] crimsun: yea [02:42] Sure [02:42] Yay :) [02:42] well dang, if bddebian is supporting you, then I doubt you'll need anyone's support [02:42] crimsun: but its not a "true" rc , as in this might be what gets burned , etc etc etc [02:42] Yeah, I love that misnaming. [02:42] crimsun: Yeah, like my opinion means shit around here [02:42] crimsun, heheh. [02:43] your karma belies you, bddebian === Fujitsu points bddebian to BddebianIsAGod. [02:43] 'nough said [02:43] ms == beta = alpha , rc == beta , rtm == rc [02:43] crackheads === Fujitsu wonders when Soyuz karma will be implemented. [02:43] imbrandon, rc = alpha, rtm = beta. [02:43] Have you seen the RC? [02:43] lol [02:43] I hear it's terribly buggy. [02:43] no i dont have any boxes i would install it on [02:44] Neither do I. [02:44] everything here is osx 10.4 or kubuntu ( and one dapper server ) [02:44] I didn't think I'd have so many supporters :) === Nafallo passes bddebian the pipe :-) [02:44] lol [02:45] crimsun: you already ack'ed it :) [02:45] *puff* *puff* [02:45] Q-FUNK: I've acked a few hundred, so that's not saying much ;-) [02:45] puff puff give puff puff give, dont mess up the rotation [02:45] oh [02:45] just a sec [02:46] bug #61626 [02:46] Malone bug 61626 in cups-pdf "Please sync cups-pdf (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61626 [02:46] Gawd, Audacious is shocking. [02:46] MOTUs should be MOTCs :-). Masters of the Crackpipes :-) [02:46] heh [02:46] lol [02:46] Q-FUNK: should be processed on Tuesday (wasn't acked til 9/23) [02:47] Fujitsu: in a good or a bad way? :-) [02:47] crimsun: purrrrrrrrfect :) [02:47] Nafallo, I think I'm about to choke to death on it :P === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] ehrm... that's bad then :-P [02:48] Yeah, but I'm not going to give up. [02:48] that's the spirit! :-) === Nafallo wonders if he has a REVU account or so :-P === Nafallo logged in :-) [02:50] whoever did that recover password thing made it just right :-) [02:50] I wish all those damn e-mailproviders could pick the solution up ;-) [02:51] s/the/that/ [02:51] heh [02:52] it seems to have a bug, but it's really pretty cool [02:53] wfm :-) [02:55] hmm [02:56] has anyone permission to the _source.changes on revu? :-P [02:56] if not, why are they kept? ;-) [02:58] no [02:58] because they are gpg signed [02:58] if they were publicly available anyoen could just go and upload them [02:58] (the package in revu, if they were in the keyring) [02:58] eh? so mv the damn things to /dev/null then? :-) === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] many admins want to look at the .changes? [02:59] but I agree not showing them in REVU is a good idea [02:59] Nafallo: why does it bug you? :) === Nafallo finds them to just clutter the interface atm ;-) [02:59] it's damn confusing [02:59] ajmitch: I'm a minimalist ;-) [03:00] Nafallo: don't look at a package that has been built on tiber then [03:00] you get about 20 other files listed [03:00] oh? [03:01] build logs, file lists, shlibs, postinsts, etc [03:01] I can look at those files, right? :-) [03:01] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3036 [03:01] for example [03:01] why show a file I actually _can't_ look at? :-) [03:02] woha [03:02] code is in bzr, go hack it [03:02] hehe, will someday :-) [03:03] we have a freeze coming up now though :-P === Nafallo looks at nm-stuff :-) [03:05] please do, plug is waiting patiently for his pptp package to be reviewed & uploaded :) [03:06] actually [03:06] my PPTP package is still broken [03:06] (the currently uploaded one, rather so) [03:06] but I do have a fix in the pipeline [03:06] and a day off [03:06] so maybe after lunch! :) [03:06] yay [03:09] :-) === Fujitsu 's mind explodes at the Audacious build system. [03:11] What... the... fricking... hell... were... they... thinking? [03:13] And what were the Soyuz people thinking when they decided that all arch-independent builds should go the the i386 buildds? [03:13] i386 is the only arch that matters, right? ;-) [03:13] Fujitsu: I think that predates soyuz actually. they just ported the existing brokeness to the new system ;-) [03:13] oh I forgot, nobody runs i386 anymore [03:14] Because we've got over two hours of language pack building, which could be less than 30 minutes if all the buildds were involved. [03:14] LaserJock: feeh :-P. it's more a waste of power not to use the more often idling amd64 machines for it :-) [03:14] It'd also not be as bad if security was handled by Soyuz, so there'd be 3 i386 buildds. [03:14] aha [03:15] that's where the others went [03:15] yes [03:15] I've wondered that a _looooong_ time now :-) [03:15] I've known that for a _looooong_ time now :P === geser [n=michael@dialin104170.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:15] hehe [03:15] my wondering predates soyuz ;-) [03:16] known what? [03:16] That the buildds are missing because they're doing -security. [03:16] where one buildd from each arch went :-) [03:16] Anybody know any Audacious developers? I want to murder them. [03:16] This build system is seriously BAD. [03:16] all they do is -security? [03:17] LaserJock, yes, exactly. [03:17] oh, that's odd [03:17] LaserJock: using the old system of dak [03:17] 'cause Soyuz can't do it yet. [03:17] Fujitsu: So fix it ;-P [03:17] Fujitsu: Oh and are you going to do azureus too? :-) [03:17] bddebian: murdering devels? :-) [03:17] They use autoconf, but not automake. [03:17] dak ? ick [03:17] bddebian, you little... [03:17] No Java for me, thankyouverymuchyouevilgod. [03:17] so the other archives are totally done in soyuz, no dak or similar? [03:18] heh [03:18]