[12:09] <imbrandon> see i wish i had the time to monitor the forum and spot "bug reports" and lock/delete the thread and ask them to file a bug report
[12:09] <imbrandon> that would help sigifgantly
[12:10] <Fujitsu> See, I wish forum users were sane and didn't use it as a bug tracker.
[12:10] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: exactly
[12:10] <Fujitsu> Oh look, it even says up the top:
[12:10] <Fujitsu>  Please note developers are not very active here. If you wish to file a bug report please do so here.
[12:10] <Fujitsu> Where `here' is a link
[12:10] <imbrandon> but a good modirator that would stiffle it a few times and it would become the norm
[12:10] <imbrandon> but its not
[12:11] <imbrandon> instead there posted there, ignored by us and given "hacks" to "fix" it that later becomes a big problem
[12:11] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: they ignore that repeatedly
[12:11] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, I noticed :P
[12:12] <ivoks> maybe if they add an icon for "here"...
[12:13] <ivoks> :)
[12:13] <imbrandon> or a big RED <h1>here</h1>
[12:13] <ivoks> nah... malone is iconless
[12:13] <ivoks> it wouldn't work
[12:13] <Fujitsu> Maybe if they took up half the posting window with a big, red, flashing `DON'T POST BUG REPORTS HERE, DIMWITS'
[12:13] <Fujitsu> Then, and only then, will they see it.
[12:13] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: and ignore it
[12:14] <Fujitsu> Probably.
[12:14] <LaserJock> shesh
[12:14] <LaserJock> :-)
[12:14] <ivoks> :))
[12:15] <LaserJock> the thing is, I confess, I was a forum person. That's how I got introduced to Ubuntu
[12:15] <ivoks> just imagine how many forum posts you would need for this type of conversation...
[12:15] <LaserJock> heh
[12:15] <ivoks> well, it was fun, now it's time to kill the eye
[12:16] <ivoks> i wish you happy flaming and ranting
[12:16] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:16] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[12:16] <imbrandon> heh
[12:16] <ivoks> try to do some work while taking a break :)
[12:16] <Fujitsu> Anybody got any ideas?
[12:16] <LaserJock> heh
[12:16] <imbrandon> nah we're all just voicing our opinions, i think we all adult enough to know its nothing personal
[12:16] <ivoks> 'night
[12:16] <imbrandon> gnight ivoks
[12:16] <Fujitsu> 'night
[12:16] <imbrandon> brb food time
[12:17] <LaserJock> maybe it's just me. I just feel these community interaction issues are pretty important
[12:17] <LaserJock> maybe I should just vent to jono ;-)
[12:17] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, they are very important.
[12:24] <Fujitsu> Wakey wakey..
[12:24] <LaserJock> heh
[12:24] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: lists.d.o is awol as well
[12:24] <LaserJock> does packages.qa.debian.org work well in CLI browsers?
[12:24] <zul> maybe it got hacked again
[12:24] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, I noticed.
[12:24] <LaserJock> :(
[12:25] <ajmitch> hm, that's master..
[12:26] <ajmitch> and it should have my ssh key on there
[12:26] <LaserJock> heh, DDs get to have all the cool stuff
[12:26] <Fujitsu> Yeah, those evil evil uber-privileged things :P
[12:26] <ajmitch> " master accounts temporarily disabled"
[12:27] <ajmitch> from #d-d topic
[12:27] <LaserJock> yikes
[12:27] <Fujitsu> Fantastic.
[12:27] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:27] <Fujitsu> Master accounts, though? What are they?
[12:27] <LaserJock> could that be a normal thing? or does that indicate a hack?
[12:27] <Fujitsu> `APT IS BORKED!!!'
[12:27] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it's not particularly normal, could be hardware
[12:27] <Bazzi> ohnoes!
[12:27] <Fujitsu> What is a master account?
[12:28] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: master.debian.org
[12:28] <Fujitsu> That's not very useful, as connection is refused... What is master.debian.org?
[12:28] <imbrandon> heh would help if it came up
[12:29] <LaserJock> ok, so out of lynx, elinks, and w3m which do you guys prefer
[12:29] <Fujitsu> elinks.
[12:29] <imbrandon> i like elinks
[12:29] <imbrandon> hahaha
[12:29] <LaserJock> I'm not really
[12:30] <LaserJock> I'm trying to work on better development efficiency
[12:30] <LaserJock> as I have decided that I must be the slowest MOTU alive
[12:31] <imbrandon> lol
[12:31] <Fujitsu> No you're not. I haven't seen all 53 MOTUs in this channel at all, let alone recently. :P
[12:31] <tseng> there are 53 now?
[12:31] <tseng> holy crap
[12:31] <tseng> im going to stop vouching for people
[12:31] <tseng> once it was like me, ajmitch, ogra, dholbach
[12:32] <LaserJock> mhm
[12:32] <tseng> dholbach did all the work
[12:32] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: just becosue someone wasent on irc dosent mean they arent active ;)
[12:32] <ajmitch> tseng: I don't bother supporting people unless I worked with them a bit
[12:32] <LaserJock> ahh, the good old days
[12:32] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, true... But I haven't seen uploads from most of them either.
[12:32] <zul> ajmitch: you never supported me ;(
[12:32] <ajmitch> tseng: don't forget crimsun
[12:32] <tseng> yeah
[12:33] <ajmitch> makes us feel old, and ubuntu has only been round awhile
[12:33] <Fujitsu> Ooh, nice.
[12:33] <LaserJock> the interesting thing is you guys still to much of the work
[12:33] <tseng> I am old
[12:33] <LaserJock> s/to/do/
[12:33] <Fujitsu> I can tell Thunderbird to order by sender, and then group by sender, so I get a list of all the people who have uploaded packages.
[12:34] <ajmitch> tseng: 41 people in core-dev now
[12:34] <ajmitch> zul: yeah well..
[12:34] <zul> hehe..
[12:35] <tseng> ajmitch: well
[12:35] <tseng> ajmitch: jdub is still in there for example
[12:35] <imbrandon> jdub quit canonical , not core dev
[12:35] <tseng> lamont, mako
[12:35] <ajmitch> chmj
[12:36] <tseng> imbrandon: he wouldnt be in there if not for working at canonical at the begining
[12:36] <tseng> nor mako
[12:36] <ajmitch> chris halls hasn't done anything on ubuntu for a long time
[12:36] <tseng> i dont even remember that name
[12:36] <ajmitch> haggai
[12:36] <tseng> oh
[12:36] <ajmitch> was around very early on
[12:36] <LaserJock> he worked on Kubuntu, no?
[12:36] <tseng> not since wart
[12:36] <tseng> y
[12:36] <Fujitsu> Never heard of him.
[12:36] <tseng> he was doing openoffice at the begining
[12:37] <tseng> and was supposed to lead motu
[12:37] <imbrandon> haggai was kubuntu guy way way back
[12:37] <ajmitch> no wonder he's gone
[12:37] <tseng> yeah
[12:37] <LaserJock> he's around, just not active, I think
[12:37] <ajmitch> we probably have more inactive MOTUs
[12:37] <ajmitch> like people that haven't been seen for a year
[12:37] <imbrandon> that and memberships are only 2 years, so alot will expire soon if they dont renew
[12:38] <tseng> in another year
[12:38] <tseng> there were no motus in warty
[12:38] <tseng> mdz and seb128 uploaded for me
[12:38] <ajmitch> and membership is from when they started using launchpad
[12:38] <imbrandon> yea it might be good to have them yearly instead of 2 years, but honestly i dont see it hurting anything
[12:38] <ajmitch> 2005-09-07
[12:39] <tseng> imbrandon: gpg keys floating around is hurting something
[12:39] <tseng> see Debian
[12:39] <ajmitch> well, so I've been core dev for more than a year & I didn't realise
[12:39] <imbrandon> tseng: true
[12:39] <tseng> ajmitch: how do you check that
[12:39] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-core-dev/+members
[12:40] <ajmitch> yours is dated from the start of using LP
[12:40] <tseng> oh
[12:40] <nixternal> ajmitch: sign me up! haha, i couldn't dev/package my way out of a wet paperbag ;)
[12:40] <tseng> clever
[12:40] <Fujitsu> I think yearly might be a better idea, as a lot can happen in two years...
[12:40] <tseng> expires 2007-06-06
[12:40] <LaserJock> nixternal: lol
[12:41] <tseng> nice
[12:41] <Fujitsu> I
[12:41] <Fujitsu> *I don't expire! Yay.
[12:41] <imbrandon> lol
[12:41] <nixternal> Brandon Holtsclaw   	2006-09-09  	2008-09-10  	Approved
[12:42] <nixternal> that is scarey
[12:42] <nixternal> i think there is a typo there ;)
[12:42] <imbrandon> yup a whole 15 days as core now
[12:42] <Fujitsu> After one month in -dev, that was really impressive.
[12:42] <imbrandon> ok time to do some RL stuff, bbiab
[12:43] <nixternal> im done with RL, it just isn't as satisfying as FL
[12:44] <Fujitsu> FL?
[12:44] <Fujitsu> Fake Life?
[12:44] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, why?
[12:44] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: to get stuff done, of course
[12:44] <Fujitsu> Ubuntu stuff?
[12:45] <Fujitsu> Who needs spare time..
[12:46] <ajmitch> yes, ubuntu stuff
[12:46] <ajmitch> that's why I said freeze
[12:46] <Fujitsu> True.
[12:46] <Fujitsu> It could have just been NZ freezing over :P
[12:51] <ajmitch> fwiw, I was right about master.d.o
[12:51] <ajmitch> just had a hardware upgrade
[12:52] <tseng> ajmitch: beagle is beating f-spot on bugs now, btw
[12:53] <tseng> :P
[12:53] <ajmitch> yay
[12:53] <tseng> about the same number of "zomg crash!!!!1"
[12:54] <tseng> my favorite is still bug 34074
[12:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34074 in f-spot "Dapper becomes unstable when disk full after f-spot import" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34074
[12:54] <ajmitch> oh yes
[12:55] <Fujitsu> Thanks, crimsun.
[12:55] <ajmitch> about the only valid part of that is that f-spot could check for free space
[12:55] <tseng> so could 'touch'
[12:55] <tseng> or 'xuath'
[12:55] <tseng> xauth
[12:55] <tseng> got bit by that the other day
[12:55] <Fujitsu> Hahah, yes.
[12:55] <LaserJock> does importing create a copy?
[12:55] <tseng> yes of course
[12:55] <tseng> off a camera
[12:55] <ajmitch> except that f-spot tends to copy a few hundred MB of photos
[12:56] <ajmitch> so it'd be 'friendly' to warn
[12:56] <tseng> it can also copy to its own dir
[12:56] <LaserJock> tseng: but if you had it somewhere else on you drive
[12:56] <tseng> ala itunes
[12:56] <tseng> LaserJock: it can
[12:56] <ajmitch> hence why the bug is low priority
[12:56] <ajmitch> should probably be wishlist
[12:56] <LaserJock> yeah, I noticed that in iTunes the other day
[12:56] <LaserJock> I was wondering why I seemed to have twice the diskusage I should have
[12:57] <LaserJock> and then I found I had 2 copies of all my music
[12:57] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, I love that, although I haven't used iTunes in years.
[12:58] <ajmitch> bug 34074
[12:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34074 in f-spot "F-Spot does not warn user if the free space is low before importing photos" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34074
[12:58] <ajmitch> long title
[12:58] <Fujitsu> Good, good.
[12:58] <crimsun> I dislike the fact that I have to jump through hoops to listen to songs I buy from iTMS.
[12:59] <imbrandon> crimsun: heh true, burn to cd-rw , re-rip
[12:59] <crimsun> ick, no.
[12:59] <LaserJock> I don't get music online so I've never had to worry about that
[01:00] <LaserJock> what does it do?
[01:00] <crimsun> while I was still able to purchase using iTunes 5.0.1, I used jHymn 0.9.2 to strip the DRM. With the introduction of iTunes 7, Apple locked out previous versions. Now I have to use QTFairuse6 2.4+.
[01:00] <Fujitsu> Or you could just not use iTMS.
[01:01] <crimsun> true, but paying 3x the amount for CDs doesn't seem very economical either
[01:01] <imbrandon> exactly
[01:01] <Fujitsu> True...
[01:01] <imbrandon> itunes isnt all bad, they had to do the drm to get the riaa off their ass, now it bit them ( the price wars )
[01:01] <imbrandon> but itues and itv are very nice
[01:01] <crimsun> (and again, I made that tradeoff, so I'm willing to live with its "shackle" ramifications)
[01:02] <imbrandon> crimsun: what do you use to purchase itms songs on linux ? anything?
[01:03] <crimsun> I don't. I reboot into Windows.
[01:03] <crimsun> iTunes doesn't need to pollute my Linux partition kthx.
[01:03] <joejaxx> imbrandon: well i found out my packages does not allow you to upgrade lol
[01:03] <imbrandon> to teach myself pyqt i started making a itunes clone ( not that we need another music player etc etc etc , its a learning experince )
[01:03] <joejaxx> crimsun: haha :P
[01:03] <imbrandon> so i was just curious
[01:04] <Fujitsu> What does `Pending' as a package release status mean?
[01:05] <imbrandon> no idea
[01:05] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[01:06] <Fujitsu> It's `Published' now, so I presume it just means that Publisher has seen it, but hasn't actually looked at it.
[01:06] <Fujitsu> 'cause it had no date/time either.
[01:07] <crimsun> bah, I can't be arch-specific with dh_install -si --fail-missing . :(
[02:12] <Fujitsu> What does the number in brackets after `Pending' in the to-be-built list mean?
[02:21] <Q-FUNK> Fujitsu: packages in the queue before that one?
[02:22] <Fujitsu> I don't believe so, as there aren't that many in the queue.
[02:22] <Q-FUNK> where is the queue visible, btw?
[02:22] <Fujitsu> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue
[02:23] <Fujitsu> Gah. There are ~328 buildd-minutes of language packs in the queue... And since they're only building on the two i386 buildds, they're going to be blocking things for ages :(
[02:23] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK, Tuesdays and Fridays are archive days.
[02:23] <Q-FUNK> indeed
[02:23] <Q-FUNK> and it was acked a while back already
[02:24] <Fujitsu> Yes, they can wait for up to a week or so.
[02:25] <Q-FUNK> when is it that edgy is expected to release?
[02:25] <Fujitsu> October 26th.
[02:25] <Fujitsu> Beta on the 28th, same day as UniverseFreeze.
[02:25] <Q-FUNK> ah.  still 1 month then. :)
[02:25] <Q-FUNK> oh
[02:26] <Q-FUNK> that's a bit too close
[02:26] <Fujitsu> Yes, it is.
[02:26] <Fujitsu> Only important bug fixes after UniverseFreeze unless you get an exception approved.
[02:27] <Q-FUNK> well, this fixes something that actually prevented usage.
[02:27] <Fujitsu> Which package?
[02:27] <Q-FUNK> cups-pdf
[02:27] <Q-FUNK> user priviledge separation prevented usage.
[02:28] <Fujitsu> Ah, that one.
[02:28] <Fujitsu> Well, all outstanding syncs will be processed before the freeze.
[02:28] <Q-FUNK> fixed since cups 1.2 allows using permissions on the back-end as a way to control this.
[02:28] <Q-FUNK> so I adjusted that in postinst.
[02:29] <Q-FUNK> hopefully :)
[02:30] <Q-FUNK> I would just like to finally put this one behind me. That issue has been a showstopper on Ubuntu for ages and I'm glad a solution was finaly found.
[02:33] <Nafallo> is anyone picking up audacious from revu?
[02:33] <Nafallo> seems the packager gave up
[02:33] <Fujitsu> I'll have a look.
[02:34] <Nafallo> yay :-)
[02:34] <Nafallo> people requested it on #ubuntu-se ;-)
[02:35] <Fujitsu> Yes, I lot of people do.
[02:35] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:36] <Fujitsu> Stupid 64kbps... This'll take about 10min to download...
[02:36] <Fujitsu> Woah.
[02:36] <Fujitsu> That's a huge .diff.gz.
[02:36] <crimsun> Q-FUNK: what's the bug #?
[02:36] <Nafallo> hmm, there is no link to the REVU wikipage from REVU ;-)
[02:36] <Nafallo> where do I file a bug? :-)
[02:37] <Fujitsu> crimsun, are you good for the TB meeting this week?
[02:37] <imbrandon> Nafallo: https://launchpad.net/products/revu/+filebug
[02:37] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:38] <Nafallo> wow. I didn't even think there might be a product there :-
[02:38] <Nafallo> :-P
[02:38] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: finaly going for MOTU ?
[02:38] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, yes, with LaserJock's (and hopefully crimsun's) support.
[02:39] <imbrandon> great ( i'd be happy to come cheer too as i've caught the few crimsun dident get ) heh
[02:39] <Fujitsu> Ooh, yes please :)
[02:40] <imbrandon> whens the TB ?
[02:40] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:40] <Fujitsu> 0600 Wednesday here...
[02:40] <crimsun> Fujitsu: unlikely. Tuesdays are very bad days. I will attempt to be present, but unfortunately I can't guarantee I'll be able to make it. I'm happy to send an e-mail in my stead, though.
[02:40] <Fujitsu> So 2000 UTC Tuesday
[02:40] <Fujitsu> crimsun, OK, an email is fine :)
[02:41] <imbrandon> ugh vista rc1 all over the internet
[02:41] <imbrandon> when will people learn
[02:41] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[02:41] <crimsun> there's some publicly available build that's newer than rc1, no?
[02:42] <Fujitsu> bddebian, you can support me?
[02:42] <imbrandon> crimsun: yea
[02:42] <bddebian> Sure
[02:42] <Fujitsu> Yay :)
[02:42] <crimsun> well dang, if bddebian is supporting you, then I doubt you'll need anyone's support
[02:42] <imbrandon> crimsun: but its not a "true" rc , as in this might be what gets burned , etc etc etc
[02:42] <Fujitsu> Yeah, I love that misnaming.
[02:42] <bddebian> crimsun: Yeah, like my opinion means shit around here
[02:42] <Fujitsu> crimsun, heheh.
[02:43] <crimsun> your karma belies you, bddebian
[02:43] <LaserJock> 'nough said
[02:43] <imbrandon> ms == beta = alpha , rc == beta , rtm == rc
[02:43] <bddebian> crackheads
[02:43] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, rc = alpha, rtm = beta.
[02:43] <Fujitsu> Have you seen the RC?
[02:43] <imbrandon> lol
[02:43] <Fujitsu> I hear it's terribly buggy.
[02:43] <imbrandon> no i dont have any boxes i would install it on
[02:44] <Fujitsu> Neither do I.
[02:44] <imbrandon> everything here is osx 10.4 or kubuntu ( and one dapper server )
[02:44] <Fujitsu> I didn't think I'd have so many supporters :)
[02:44] <imbrandon> lol
[02:45] <Q-FUNK> crimsun: you already ack'ed it :)
[02:45] <bddebian> *puff* *puff*
[02:45] <crimsun> Q-FUNK: I've acked a few hundred, so that's not saying much ;-)
[02:45] <imbrandon> puff puff give puff puff give, dont mess up the rotation
[02:45] <Q-FUNK> oh
[02:45] <Q-FUNK> just a sec
[02:46] <Q-FUNK> bug #61626
[02:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61626 in cups-pdf "Please sync cups-pdf (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61626
[02:46] <Fujitsu> Gawd, Audacious is shocking.
[02:46] <Nafallo> MOTUs should be MOTCs :-). Masters of the Crackpipes :-)
[02:46] <Q-FUNK> heh
[02:46] <imbrandon> lol
[02:46] <crimsun> Q-FUNK: should be processed on Tuesday (wasn't acked til 9/23)
[02:47] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: in a good or a bad way? :-)
[02:47] <Q-FUNK> crimsun: purrrrrrrrfect :)
[02:47] <Fujitsu> Nafallo, I think I'm about to choke to death on it :P
[02:47] <Nafallo> ehrm... that's bad then :-P
[02:48] <Fujitsu> Yeah, but I'm not going to give up.
[02:48] <Nafallo> that's the spirit! :-)
[02:50] <Nafallo> whoever did that recover password thing made it just right :-)
[02:50] <Nafallo> I wish all those damn e-mailproviders could pick the solution up ;-)
[02:51] <Nafallo> s/the/that/
[02:51] <LaserJock> heh
[02:52] <LaserJock> it seems to have a bug, but it's really pretty cool
[02:53] <Nafallo> wfm :-)
[02:55] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:56] <Nafallo> has anyone permission to the _source.changes on revu? :-P
[02:56] <Nafallo> if not, why are they kept? ;-)
[02:58] <Lathiat> no
[02:58] <Lathiat> because they are gpg signed
[02:58] <Lathiat> if they were publicly available anyoen could just go and upload them
[02:58] <Lathiat> (the package in revu, if they were in the keyring)
[02:58] <Nafallo> eh? so mv the damn things to /dev/null then? :-)
[02:59] <minghua> many admins want to look at the .changes?
[02:59] <minghua> but I agree not showing them in REVU is a good idea
[02:59] <ajmitch> Nafallo: why does it bug you? :)
[02:59] <minghua> it's damn confusing
[02:59] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I'm a minimalist ;-)
[03:00] <ajmitch> Nafallo: don't look at a package that has been built on tiber then
[03:00] <ajmitch> you get about 20 other files listed
[03:00] <Nafallo> oh?
[03:01] <ajmitch> build logs, file lists, shlibs, postinsts, etc
[03:01] <Nafallo> I can look at those files, right? :-)
[03:01] <ajmitch> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3036
[03:01] <ajmitch> for example
[03:01] <Nafallo> why show a file I actually _can't_ look at? :-)
[03:02] <Nafallo> woha
[03:02] <ajmitch> code is in bzr, go hack it
[03:02] <Nafallo> hehe, will someday :-)
[03:03] <Nafallo> we have a freeze coming up now though :-P
[03:05] <ajmitch> please do, plug is waiting patiently for his pptp package to be reviewed & uploaded :)
[03:06] <Plug> actually
[03:06] <Plug> my PPTP package is still broken
[03:06] <Plug> (the currently uploaded one, rather so)
[03:06] <Plug> but I do have a fix in the pipeline
[03:06] <Plug> and a day off
[03:06] <Plug> so maybe after lunch! :)
[03:06] <ajmitch> yay
[03:09] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:11] <Fujitsu> What... the... fricking... hell... were... they... thinking?
[03:13] <Fujitsu> And what were the Soyuz people thinking when they decided that all arch-independent builds should go the the i386 buildds?
[03:13] <LaserJock> i386 is the only arch that matters, right? ;-)
[03:13] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: I think that predates soyuz actually. they just ported the existing brokeness to the new system ;-)
[03:13] <LaserJock> oh I forgot, nobody runs i386 anymore
[03:14] <Fujitsu> Because we've got over two hours of language pack building, which could be less than 30 minutes if all the buildds were involved.
[03:14] <Nafallo> LaserJock: feeh :-P. it's more a waste of power not to use the more often idling amd64 machines for it :-)
[03:14] <Fujitsu> It'd also not be as bad if security was handled by Soyuz, so there'd be 3 i386 buildds.
[03:14] <Nafallo> aha
[03:15] <Nafallo> that's where the others went
[03:15] <ajmitch> yes
[03:15] <Nafallo> I've wondered that a _looooong_ time now :-)
[03:15] <Fujitsu> I've known that for a _looooong_ time now :P
[03:15] <Nafallo> hehe
[03:15] <Nafallo> my wondering predates soyuz ;-)
[03:16] <LaserJock> known what?
[03:16] <Fujitsu> That the buildds are missing because they're doing -security.
[03:16] <Nafallo> where one buildd from each arch went :-)
[03:16] <Fujitsu> Anybody know any Audacious developers? I want to murder them.
[03:16] <Fujitsu> This build system is seriously BAD.
[03:16] <LaserJock> all they do is -security?
[03:17] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, yes, exactly.
[03:17] <LaserJock> oh, that's odd
[03:17] <ajmitch> LaserJock: using the old system of dak
[03:17] <Fujitsu> 'cause Soyuz can't do it yet.
[03:17] <bddebian> Fujitsu: So fix it ;-P
[03:17] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Oh and are you going to do azureus too? :-)
[03:17] <Nafallo> bddebian: murdering devels? :-)
[03:17] <Fujitsu> They use autoconf, but not automake.
[03:17] <imbrandon> dak ? ick
[03:17] <Fujitsu> bddebian, you little...
[03:17] <Fujitsu> No Java for me, thankyouverymuchyouevilgod.
[03:17] <LaserJock> so the other archives are totally done in soyuz, no dak or similar?
[03:18] <bddebian> heh
[03:18] <Nafallo> soyuz is like dak-ng :-)
[03:18] <Fujitsu> Azureus is mess-say.
[03:18] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: ey! you're switching package? ;-)
[03:18] <Fujitsu> No!
[03:19] <Nafallo> ah, good :-)
[03:19] <Nafallo> not that I will use it... but... :-P
[03:19] <Fujitsu> I love it how the distclean target doesn't actually remove the Makefiles.
[03:19] <bddebian> Especially since doko has ideas about it and I can't ever catch him :-(
[03:19] <Fujitsu> Good, good.
[03:19] <Fujitsu> We don't want no azureus here.
[03:20] <slomo_> Fujitsu: better than distclean removing Makefile and Makefile.in ;)
[03:20] <Fujitsu> slomo_, maybe.
[03:20] <Fujitsu> What is it?
[03:21] <Nafallo> some frontend for remote pbuilding :-)
[03:31] <minghua> well, my package's distclean removes some of the files the tarball ships
[03:31] <Fujitsu> Which package, minghua?
[03:32] <Fujitsu> Nafallo, I think I've got a sane audacious package now.
[03:32] <Nafallo> nice :-)
[03:32] <Fujitsu> Not uploaded yet :P
[03:33] <Nafallo> yea, noticed ;-)
[03:34] <Fujitsu> It was a very quick change once I worked out what was going on...
[03:34] <bddebian> Gaaahh, frickin' RL work :'-(
[03:34] <Fujitsu> He was removing all the files that make distclean didn't clean...
[03:34] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:34] <Nafallo> oh :-P
[03:34] <Fujitsu>  /Then/ he ran make distclean, which detected the Makefiles weren't there, and regenerated them all!
[03:35] <Nafallo> hehe
[03:35] <Fujitsu> The .diff.gz is now stuff just in debian/, which is looking more promising...
[03:35] <Fujitsu> Hey Hobbsee.
[03:35] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!
[03:35] <Nafallo> yay Fujitsu! :-)
[03:36] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian , Fujitsu
[03:36] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!
[03:36] <Nafallo> people will love you for that :-)
[03:36] <minghua> Fujitsu: oh, it's scim
[03:36] <Fujitsu> Fun fun fun.
[03:37] <Kyral> This is why I'm not on the MOTU track anymore
[03:37] <minghua> the distclean deletes scim.spec among others
[03:37] <Kyral> much easier to crank out sourcecode and let you guys handle the packaging :P
[03:38] <minghua> as I need none of them, I didn't bother (not like I have enough autotools-fu to bother, though)
[03:38] <Fujitsu> At least you didn't orphan the package at the sight of autotools.
[03:38] <Kyral> You're right! I ophaned packages at the sight of college! :P
[03:39] <Fujitsu> Har har.
[03:39] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: still no source code? I can try to pbuild it here as well and put the source+i386 into my personal repo for #ubuntu-se testing ;-)
[03:39] <Fujitsu> I'm pbuilding at the moment, and I need to check a couple of things with the source.
[03:40] <Fujitsu> THis isn't leaving me without a sanity check.
[03:40] <Nafallo> okidoki :-)
[03:41] <minghua> see you guys later
[03:41] <Fujitsu> Bye.
[03:42] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[03:42] <Fujitsu> Hey Toadstool.
[03:42] <Toadstool> hi Fujitsu
[03:43] <Fujitsu> Toadstool, were you wondering about one of my changes in galternatives yesterday>?
[03:43] <Toadstool> yep
[03:44] <Toadstool> python-dev -> python in Build-Deps-Indep
[03:44] <Fujitsu> OK, I'll look at that in a sec, currently attacking audacious.
[03:44] <Toadstool> packaging it?
[03:45] <Fujitsu> Finishing somebody else's attempt at packaging it.
[03:45] <Toadstool> hmm Maxence's attempt
[03:45] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[03:46] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: have you seen http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=audacious ?
[03:46] <Fujitsu> No, I haven't. Nafallo just told me to have a look at the one on REVU.
[03:46] <Toadstool> ok :)
[03:47] <Nafallo> audacious-locales - Translations of audacious
[03:47] <Nafallo> what the heck :-P
[03:47] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[03:47] <Fujitsu> OK, this is at least partly sane. I've got no idea about packaging libraries, but this doesn't seem too bad.
[03:47] <Fujitsu> (Maxence's with my changes)
[03:47] <Toadstool> good luck with audacious, afaik Maxence had a lot of trouble trying to package it
[03:48] <Fujitsu> Yes, it looks that way.
[03:48] <Fujitsu> Gah, I'm really nervous already :(
[03:48] <Toadstool> hmm?
[03:49] <Fujitsu> About the TB meeting.
[03:49] <Fujitsu> (currently dputting, Nafallo)
[03:49] <Nafallo> nice :-)
[03:49] <Toadstool> hoho, /me missed something
[03:49] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: you're running for MOTU at this TB meeting?
[03:50] <Fujitsu> Toadstool, yes.
[03:50] <Toadstool> ok, let's join the meeting then ;)
[03:50] <Fujitsu> :)
[03:51] <zul> i thought it was this week
[03:51] <ajmitch> oh nice & early for Fujitsu
[03:51] <Fujitsu> 8am Wednesday for you, ajmitch.
[03:51] <Kyral> The answer is 42
[03:51] <Fujitsu> 6am, I'll get up about 1.5 hours earlier than normal, nothing special.
[03:51] <Toadstool> alright, 20h UTC was fine when I was in France...
[03:51] <Fujitsu> Kyral, but of course
[03:51] <Fujitsu> Toadstool, ouch.
[03:52] <Fujitsu> France is + 3 or 4?
[03:52] <Toadstool> hmm never mind, I'll be at work
[03:52] <Toadstool> +2
[03:52] <Hobbsee> 6am meetings are great :P
[03:53] <Toadstool> heh
[03:53] <zul> 3am meetings are even better
[03:54] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, if you want :)
[03:54] <bddebian> heh
[03:54] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: it's not whether I want to, it's whether I should :)
[03:55] <Fujitsu> I've got quite a number of MOTUs supporting me now... I'm surprised.
[03:55] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, obviously.
[03:55] <Fujitsu> If you should, then :P
[03:55] <LaserJock> I wonder if mdz will look at it
[03:55] <Fujitsu> Ah, that one.
[03:55] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: you'll have to bribe ajmitch ;)
[03:55] <Fujitsu> I didn't realise that was yours.
[03:55] <zul> heh it better not be like the others LaserJock
[03:56] <zul> LaserJock: url? :)
[03:56] <ajmitch> LaserJock: hah, good luck
[03:56] <LaserJock> https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-dynamic-menu
[03:56] <Fujitsu> That will be very useful.
[03:56] <LaserJock> it was already approved
[03:56] <LaserJock> once
[03:56] <LaserJock> and it's implemented
[03:56] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, noted.
[03:56] <LaserJock> so I'd think it'd be ok to mark it approved
[03:57] <Fujitsu> I'd presume so.
[03:57] <Fujitsu> 160 language packs to go...
[03:58] <LaserJock> sometimes I really dislike how great (internationalization) Ubuntu is ;-)
[03:58] <ajmitch> patience...
[03:59] <Fujitsu> Why oh why can't it build them on all the buildds...
[04:00] <LaserJock> I suppose that'd be more complicated, but it seems like a good idea
[04:00] <zul> heh open office is a bitch to build apparently as well
[04:00] <Fujitsu> I don't see how it could be much more complicated.
[04:00] <Fujitsu> zul, of course.
[04:01] <Toadstool> this package is a buildd DoS...
[04:01] <Fujitsu> Ja.
[04:01] <LaserJock> heh
[04:01] <Fujitsu> The language-packs aren't great either.
[04:01] <Toadstool> heh
[04:02] <crimsun> hmm, LP is crawling. Hope that isn't my end.
[04:02] <Fujitsu> Once we have the security buildds back, it should be harder to DoS them with anything.
[04:02] <Fujitsu> crimsun, I don't think it's your end.
[04:02] <Fujitsu> It's not using up my entire 64kbps of bandwidth, less than half of it.
[04:02] <Fujitsu> Whereas other things use up the whole lot.
[04:04] <imbrandon> crimsun: its crawling here to on my fast cable
[04:04] <imbrandon> bbiab
[04:04] <Fujitsu> It's been slow for ages, but particularly slow just now.
[04:04] <crimsun> thanks, kinda difficult to tell on this pokey 28.8 ;)
[04:06] <LaserJock> seems fast to me :/
[04:09] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: the *.install files look wrong. you should strip of debian/tmp
[04:10] <Fujitsu> Nafallo, will do... I didn't look at them.
[04:10] <Nafallo> thought so :-)
[04:10] <Fujitsu> That does look wrong.
[04:12] <LaserJock> I should do that too :/
[04:12] <Fujitsu> But you're already a MOTU, and don't have to impress the TB in less than 48 hours :P
[04:12] <LaserJock> soon enough though
[04:12] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:12] <minghua> TB meeting in 48 hours?
[04:13] <Fujitsu> minghua, about that.
[04:13] <Fujitsu> 42 hours.
[04:13] <minghua> yeah, see it in #ubuntu-meeting
[04:13] <LaserJock> I need to find some main packages to fix
[04:14] <LaserJock> which is a bit hard this late in the cycle, I suppose
[04:14] <Nafallo> WTF
[04:14] <Nafallo> configure in clean?
[04:14] <Fujitsu> Nafallo, in audacious?
[04:15] <Nafallo> yea, it started to run configure on dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa
[04:15] <Nafallo> :-P
[04:15] <Fujitsu> The Makefile will be doing that, I believe.
[04:15] <Nafallo> wow
[04:16] <Nafallo> that's just... wrong :-)
[04:16] <Fujitsu> It is.
[04:16] <Fujitsu> See why I wanted to murder them?
[04:16] <Fujitsu> And it doesn't clean up properly.
[04:16] <Nafallo> yea
[04:17] <Nafallo> it won't have much luck on this system finding stuff :-P
[04:21] <minghua> has http://blog.scorpionworld.it/2006/09/23/ubuntu-releases-evolution/ been mentioned here?
[04:21] <minghua> that is handy for me as I didn't know what that animals in the codenames are
[04:22] <minghua> (and drake is a duck :-)
[04:22] <Nafallo> woah! kewl
[04:23] <imbrandon> minghua: yea did you see my last blog post on the planet ?
[04:23] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:23] <imbrandon> minghua: http://planet.ubuntu.com/ ;)
[04:24] <minghua> imbrandon: yeah, I know where the planet is (reading now)
[04:24] <Fujitsu> Horay Hedgehog, ey, imbrandon?
[04:25] <imbrandon> whoops
[04:26] <imbrandon> fixed
[04:26] <imbrandon> hrm , sounds like a good time to eat
[04:28] <minghua> imbrandon: so you think drake is a duck too?
[04:29] <Fujitsu> minghua, of course it is. I believe SABDFL confirmed it a while ago
[04:30] <minghua> oh good, I must have missed that
[04:30] <minghua> (at least is wasn't sent to ubuntu-devel-announcement :-P)
[04:31] <Nafallo> well, I'm not sure the list existed on that time :-P
 And it doesn't clean up properly. <-- haha, audacious... :p
[04:32] <Fujitsu> Yup :'(
[04:32] <Fujitsu> I'm off to lunch now, be back shortly.
[04:54] <zakame> hi all
[04:57] <LaserJock> hi zakame
[04:57] <Toadstool> hey zakame
[04:57] <Fujitsu> Back.
[05:02] <zakame> hi LaserJock Toadstool Fujitsu :D
[05:02] <zakame> seen dholbach?
[05:02] <Fujitsu> Hey zakame.
[05:02] <Fujitsu> Not today, no.
[05:02] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, ping.
[05:04] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: pong
[05:04] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: issues?
[05:04] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, I can't ssh in any more.
[05:04] <Fujitsu> Can't connect to port 22.
[05:04] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: hmm
[05:05] <Burgundavia> looking
[05:06] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[05:07] <Burgundavia> looks like my desktop machine went down
[05:07] <Burgundavia> wonder why
[05:07] <Fujitsu> Good question.
[05:08] <Burgundavia> given I am in a hotel room in Glenwood Springs, CO, there isn't much I can do about it
[05:08] <Fujitsu> OK, I'll live without it :)
[05:10] <Burgundavia> the webserver is still up
[05:12] <Fujitsu> Yes, I noticed that. I presume port 80 is forwarded to a different machine...
[05:12] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:12] <Burgundavia> the funny thing is, my desktop machine is in my room and the server is in teh public area
[05:12] <imbrandon> heya zakame , Burgundavia
[05:13] <ajmitch> hi Burgundavia
[05:13] <ajmitch> & zakame :)
[05:13] <Burgundavia> hey imbrandon, ajmitch
[05:13] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: it's always the way - as soon as you leave, your box goes down
[05:14] <Fujitsu> Hi again, imbrandon.
[05:14] <imbrandon> but if your in the same room/building it will stay up for months
[05:14] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:14] <imbrandon> its like unwritten law
[05:14] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:14] <Burgundavia> bloody murphy
[05:14] <imbrandon> heh
[05:15] <ajmitch> I think each time I've gone to australia I've had my system fall over
[05:15] <imbrandon> heh figures
[05:15] <ajmitch> at least both times I went this year :)
[05:15] <zakame> yo imbrandon ajmitch :D
[05:17] <zakame> hopefully
[05:18] <imbrandon> anyone here ever tried co-linux ?
[05:40] <joejaxx> imbrandon: no i have not
[05:41] <joejaxx> are you able to run any linux distro on it?
[05:43] <joejaxx> or only certain ones
[05:51] <minghua> joejaxx: from what I heard co-linux has its own distro
[05:51] <minghua> or rather, co-linux IS a distro
[05:52] <joejaxx> minghua: oh alright
[05:56] <minghua> joejaxx: Hmm, apparently I am wrong
[05:57] <minghua> joejaxx: in co-linux you can run different distros, in their terminology called "coLinux OS", and Debian, Ubuntu and Gentoo are mentioned
[05:57] <joejaxx> minghua: nice
[05:57] <joejaxx> i should do that on this laptop
[05:57] <joejaxx> right now i use vmware + fluxbuntu
[05:58] <joejaxx> w
[05:58] <joejaxx> minghua: they have debian
[06:12] <imbrandon> co-linux is just the kernel
[06:12] <imbrandon> brb
[06:31] <Lathiat> is backports working yet?
[06:31] <ajmitch> are we there yet?
[06:32] <Lathiat> heh
[06:32] <Lathiat> i saw mention of some backports stuff somewhere
[06:32] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:32] <ajmitch> afaik it should be
[06:32] <ajmitch> amazing how many users are screaming to grab the latest crack nvidia drivers on the forums
[06:32] <Lathiat> asifn't have the latest crack
[06:33] <ajmitch> hm?
[06:33] <Plug> I want the crack
[06:33] <Plug> that means I can ditch Xgl
[06:33] <Plug> and still have 'bling'
[06:34] <ajmitch> Plug: you want pain, suffering & beta drivers
[06:34] <Plug> Well, not really
[06:34] <Plug> which is why I havent changed yet
[06:35] <ajmitch> I'm surprised that I haven't seen a bug on malone about it
[06:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: give it time.
[06:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: or you just havent looked hard enough
[06:35] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, you're a nice recently-crowned MOTU... What, if anything, can you recommend in preparation for or during The Meeting?
[06:35] <Plug> Malone #12345: "Ubuntu developers hate me and wont let me have crack drivers" Unconfirmed, Untriaged
[06:35] <ajmitch> it's been out for hours!
[06:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 12345 in isdnutils "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?)" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/12345
[06:35] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, I saw one a couple of days ago.
[06:35] <Hobbsee> it's likely filed under Ubuntu
[06:35] <Plug> :)
[06:35] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: oh that's alright then
[06:35] <Lathiat> hahaha
[06:36] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: have a few packages that you've done yourself :)
[06:36] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: know your stuff, know the answers to what they want to ask, and prepare your three-liner
[06:36] <Fujitsu> Hm, a three-liner...
[06:36] <Hobbsee> bah.  they didnt mention that for MOTU for me :P
[06:36] <Fujitsu> But you're Hobbsee!
[06:36] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: oh yeah, have an awesome cheersquad, so that they feel like they'll get screamed at if they dont let you on board
[06:36] <Hobbsee> true that
[06:37] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, I've got a few on my cheer-squad already :)
[06:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:37] <joejaxx> its Hobbsee! :)
[06:38] <Fujitsu> Hey LaserJock.
[06:39] <Fujitsu> Is there any reason Bochs would be built without debugging enabled?
[06:41] <zakame> back again
[06:41] <zakame> :D
[06:51] <zakame> yo keescook ! :D
[06:51] <zakame> how's everything?
[06:52] <keescook> good, spent the weekend up'ing stuff to REVU.  :)
[06:52] <zakame> ooh! packaging! :)
[06:52] <zakame> joining the MOTU very soon? :D
[06:52] <keescook> yeah, I had to find stuff to package; you got all my other stuff already.  ;)
[06:53] <zakame> lol
[07:28] <LaserJock> that's bad when crimsun said oh crap
[07:28] <ajmitch> accidental freeze-breaking
[07:29] <LaserJock> still Beta Freeze?
[07:29] <Fujitsu> Ja.
[07:29] <crimsun> what's messed up is that I typed apt-cache madison boost before actually doing the merge work
[07:29] <crimsun> I think I'd better get some sleep before I do that again
[07:30] <Fujitsu> Quite possibly.
[07:30] <Fujitsu> Sleep is generally a good idea.
[07:30] <ajmitch> crimsun: I'm sure they'll be forgiving, as it's not on the cd (afaik)
[07:31] <ajmitch> they'd be less forgiving if I uploaded f-spot 0.2.1, for example
[07:31] <Fujitsu> Hahahah.
[07:31] <zakame> lol
[07:32] <ajmitch> well I only got approval to upload it post-peta
[07:32] <ajmitch> s/peta/beta/
[07:34] <zakame> ajmitch: that's a long time
[07:40] <dholbach> good morning
[07:41] <Fujitsu> Morning, dholbach.
[07:41] <LaserJock> hi dholbach
[07:41] <dholbach> hey Fujitsu, hey LaserJock
[07:58] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[07:58] <dholbach> heya Andrew
[07:59] <Kagou> morning
[07:59] <Fujitsu> Hi Kagou.
[08:01] <imbrandon> moins dholbach and  Kagou
[08:02] <imbrandon> ajmitch: how do you turn off join/part messages for a channel in irssi ?
[08:02] <lastnode> imbrandon, got a wee sec?
[08:02] <imbrandon> lastnode: sure
[08:03] <dholbach> hi imbrandon
[08:04] <dholbach> Fujitsu: you're going for MOTU! Great to hear that!
[08:05] <lastnode> imbrandon, isnt it /ignore -channels #channel1, #channel2 JOINS PARTS
[08:05] <dholbach> can somebody look at qgo - somebody requested a merge of it - not sure if I manage it before universe freeze
[08:05] <lastnode> ?
[08:05] <lastnode> i think it's something like that
[08:06] <ajmitch> lastnode: /set default_window_level
[08:06] <minghua> dholbach: what does qgo still need before getting merged?  (I requested it)
[08:06] <ajmitch> ah no
[08:06] <ajmitch>  /set activity_hide_level JOINS PARTS QUITS MODES NICKS
[08:06] <imbrandon> ajmitch: thanks
[08:07] <dholbach> minghua: I got a mail by Loc Martin, who requested a merge because a certain issue in Debian was fixed already.
[08:07] <Fujitsu> dholbach, thanks :)
[08:07] <dholbach> minghua: I didn't look at it, I was just notified about it and am too busy.
[08:07] <minghua> dholbach: my request is bug #62101
[08:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62101 in qgo "Please sync qgo (universe) 1.5.1-1 from Debian (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62101
[08:07] <dholbach> ah super then
[08:08] <dholbach> thanks minghua
[08:08] <minghua> dholbach: so it's all set, we just need to wait the archive masters then?
[08:09] <ajmitch> minghua: if they're subscribed
[08:09] <ajmitch> lp is taking an age to load the page
[08:09] <minghua> ajmitch: they are (I subscribed u-a)
[08:40] <Fujitsu> Anybody got any hints for bugs to fix or new versions to package?
[08:42] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: hehe, looking for more stuff?
[08:42] <Fujitsu> Of course :)
[08:42] <Fujitsu> I need something to do :(
[08:43] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/all.html#outdatedinB
[08:43] <LaserJock> have at it ;-)
[08:43] <Fujitsu> Hm. I generate my own one of those daily. I didn't realise you did too.
[08:44] <Fujitsu> And I attacked the first 20 or so a few days back.
[08:45] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: shesh, I've been doing that list since dapper ;-)
[08:45] <Fujitsu> Aha!
[08:47] <Fujitsu> I knew about unimultiverse.html, but not the science one :(
[08:47] <minghua> now LaserJock and Fujitsu both know why packages always disappear from the top of their list :-)
[08:47] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[08:47] <LaserJock> hehe
[08:47] <LaserJock> my list just keeps getting bigger
[08:48] <LaserJock> but that is to be expected
[08:48] <ajmitch> http://people.debian.org/~kobold/ubuntu-diff/zope/ <-- looks pretty good after the last round of syncs
[08:48] <ajmitch> the ones not in ubuntu are in NEW
[08:48] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, yeah... You can expect a lot of help with science stuff in the future :)
[08:48] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I also have it broken down by section and a list of the Ubuntu-Debian diff to see which packages are in one but not the other
[08:49] <LaserJock> there are an alarming number of new Debian packages that aren't in Ubuntu yet :/
[08:49] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's expected
[08:49] <Fujitsu> Are there!?
[08:50] <Fujitsu> 35k...
[08:50] <LaserJock> well, I didn't really expect much from science apps
[08:50] <ajmitch> * Fixed a few typos in the package description. (Closes: #387695)
[08:50] <ajmitch> big change..
[08:50] <Fujitsu> 32 packages, owy.
[08:51] <Fujitsu> I'd check those and file sync requests, but I've got no access to a machine with a fast 'net connection. :(
[08:51] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I counted 16 the other day that are new in Debian
[08:51] <Fujitsu> 32 now :(
[08:51] <LaserJock> you have to be careful though
[08:51] <LaserJock> because some of them are not in Ubuntu for a reason
[08:51] <LaserJock> non-free
[08:51] <Fujitsu> I'd presume so, yes.
[08:52] <LaserJock> but there's a decent number that are just new
[08:52] <Fujitsu> Only stuff in Debian main is suitable in general, right?
[08:52] <LaserJock> and afew that have gone from non-free to main
[08:52] <Fujitsu> OK.
[08:52] <LaserJock> anyway, I just look at the packages.qa.debian.org page to see what section it is in now in Debian
[08:53] <LaserJock> hmm, did somebody sync/merge libghemical?
[08:55] <Fujitsu> No, doesn't look like it.
[08:56] <LaserJock> I think it's a good idea to match libghemical and ghemical versions :-)
[08:56] <LaserJock> let's see
[08:57] <Fujitsu> Probably.
[08:57] <LaserJock> I had python-* on my list
[08:57] <LaserJock> the big ones you took care of
[08:57] <Fujitsu> I believe so.
[08:57] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[08:57] <Fujitsu> New ghemical and libghemical two days ago.
[08:57] <LaserJock> really?
[08:57] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[08:57] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[08:57] <LaserJock> we need to tell azeem to stop uploading so much ;-)
[08:58] <Fujitsu> Oops, 13 days ago,
[08:58] <Fujitsu> Entered testing two or three days ago...
[08:58] <Fujitsu> So we just need the new libghemical.
[08:58] <LaserJock> ah yes
[08:58] <Fujitsu> There's already a sync request..
[08:58] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[08:58] <Fujitsu> It's even a request by me :P
[08:59] <LaserJock> I was thinking if I had any time I'd look at the tex packages :/
[08:59] <LaserJock> haha
[08:59] <Fujitsu> Filed 9 days ago, hasn't been acked yet, though.
[08:59] <Fujitsu> Bug #60676.
[08:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60676 in libghemical "Please sync libghemical 2.10-1 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60676
[09:00] <LaserJock> yeah, I sure wish lucus would finish that thing
[09:00] <LaserJock> and get it in Universe
[09:00] <Fujitsu> 22 new packages in Debian main.
[09:01] <LaserJock> it's very handy for this sort of thing
[09:01] <Fujitsu> It is, yes.
[09:01] <Fujitsu> And it'll be more useful once Launchpad gets a sane, filterable, text bug listing.
[09:01] <LaserJock> mhm
[09:01] <ajmitch> for some reason I decided to hack a patch into upstart..
[09:01] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, you're silly.
[09:01] <LaserJock> oh no
[09:01] <ajmitch> I agree
[09:01] <LaserJock> that is rather insane
[09:02] <Fujitsu> Filtering by Debian/Ubuntu component would also be useful... Hm..
[09:02] <Fujitsu> How do you do unimultiverse? Manual lists of packages in both?
[09:02] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: I use mutt for that :)
[09:03] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: you talking to me?
[09:03] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, yes, oops.
[09:04] <imbrandon> ajmitch: so what did you do to upstart ?
[09:04] <ajmitch> imbrandon: hacking in an selinux patch :)
[09:04] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[09:05] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: if you promise not to laugh I'll post you my script ;-)
[09:05] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, please do.
[09:07] <LaserJock> :(
[09:07] <LaserJock> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24751
[09:08] <ajmitch> they're so cruel
[09:08] <Fujitsu> Hm, 20 new packages to attack.
[09:08] <LaserJock> although I'm not worrying about getting just universe anymore
[09:08] <Fujitsu> I'd already filed a request for one of them after a bug was filed from a user about it.
[09:08] <imbrandon> ok wait a sec
[09:08] <LaserJock> I figured we might as well at least keep track of the few Main science packages
[09:09] <imbrandon> can someone explain why bug 62243 was requested and says no changes etc etc etc but then it was just uploaded by someone else with gobs of changes ( via the edgy-changes ml ) ?
[09:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62243 in boost "please sync boost 1.33.1-7 from Debian unstable (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62243
[09:09] <Fujitsu> Yes, I suppose so. How many are there?
[09:09] <LaserJock> probably less then 20 totall
[09:09] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, there's an extra patch which fixes a crasher that crimsun just uploaded.
[09:10] <LaserJock> some tex
[09:10] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, that's rather pathetic... :(
[09:10] <LaserJock> calutators
[09:10] <LaserJock> nothing that exciting
[09:10] <LaserJock> I love tex too, I just hate tex packages
[09:10] <imbrandon> ah ok so that bug needs rejected
[09:10] <minghua> imbrandon: and it seems the patch is mentioned in that bug report
[09:11] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: there is no Ubuntu TeX maintainer :/
[09:11] <Fujitsu> :(
[09:11] <LaserJock> even though it's in main
[09:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ask crimsun
[09:11] <Fujitsu> That's not good.
[09:11] <ajmitch> Fujitsu can be that person!
[09:11] <Fujitsu> I'm not a core-dev :P
[09:11] <ajmitch> so?
[09:11] <Hobbsee> doesnt matter
[09:11] <minghua> Fujitsu: sounds a good path to become one! :-)
[09:11] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, stop lying. You're the maintainer of /everything KDE/.
[09:11] <Fujitsu> minghua, maybe...
[09:11] <Hobbsee> hah, nope
[09:12] <LaserJock> I tried to do a little as ubuntu-science got "yelled" at by Debian
[09:12] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:12] <Fujitsu> OK.
[09:12] <LaserJock> but the packaging is pretty intense
[09:12] <imbrandon> yea Hobbsee , fix KDE kthxbye
[09:12] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:12] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:12] <Fujitsu> How woefully out of date is our tetex-* at this time?
[09:13] <LaserJock> -common is 0.25 in edgy and 0.29 in sid
[09:13] <minghua> maybe a better question is how out of date are our texlive-*?
[09:13] <LaserJock> -base and -extra are within a few debian revisions
[09:13] <Fujitsu> Yes, I just ended up looking...
[09:14] <minghua> LaserJock: tex-common or tetex-common (I don't remember the latter exists)
[09:14] <Fujitsu> Identical, minghua...
[09:14] <minghua> LaserJock: ?
[09:14] <LaserJock> texlive is up to date
[09:14] <Fujitsu> Yes, just tex-common.
[09:14] <minghua> weird
[09:14] <LaserJock> tex-common is common ;-)
[09:14] <minghua> new texlive-* should depend on a quite new tex-common
[09:14] <Fujitsu> Now, to get tex-common and tetex-* up to date.
[09:14] <minghua> let me check now
[09:15] <Fujitsu> Ah fsck. They're going to be huge, aren't they?
[09:15] <ajmitch> yes
[09:15] <ajmitch> and complicated
[09:15] <Fujitsu> Noted.
[09:15] <minghua> oh, texlive-common only depends on tex-common (>=0.12)
[09:15] <minghua> well, tetex is dead upstream anyway
[09:16] <LaserJock> tetex-* and tex-common are Main packages
[09:16] <Fujitsu> Ah, true.
[09:16] <minghua> and texlive-* are in universe, I suppose?
[09:16] <LaserJock> so -common would require a UVF exception I believe
[09:16] <LaserJock> minghua: yep
[09:16] <Fujitsu> Yes, it would.
[09:16] <LaserJock> however
[09:17] <LaserJock> mainly what Debian was griping about was our bug fix/security response
[09:17] <LaserJock> or lack therof
[09:17] <Fujitsu> OK.
[09:17] <LaserJock> we had a Debian RC bug in Dapper for >3 months I believe
[09:17] <minghua> LaserJock: then it means the stable releases?
[09:17] <LaserJock> well
[09:17] <LaserJock> mainly the time between UVF and release
[09:18] <LaserJock> they wonder why we had packages from Jan. in Dapper
[09:18] <minghua> I see
[09:18] <LaserJock> when security fixes were done a couple weeks after
[09:18] <imbrandon> ok i'm falling asleep at the keyboard, gnight all
[09:18] <minghua> do we have any TeX experts around?
[09:18] <LaserJock> and the bug report sat on LP for 3 months
[09:19] <minghua> night, imbrandon
[09:19] <LaserJock> minghua: not packaging wise
[09:19] <LaserJock> I asked mdz about it
[09:19] <LaserJock> and he more or less said I could do it :/
[09:19] <minghua> too sad, maybe I should try to pick that up for edgy+1
[09:19] <LaserJock> pitti does security fixes when he can
[09:19] <LaserJock> and they get merged once a release
[09:19] <minghua> and since I'm not going to touch much scim in Ubuntu anyway
[09:20] <imbrandon> someone could teach me how to use it for my book ;)
[09:20] <minghua> TeX maybe a good place to look at
[09:20] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:20] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, TeX is /great/!
[09:20] <Fujitsu> And not too hard to use.
[09:20] <LaserJock> haha
[09:20] <minghua> imbrandon: so what are you using now?
[09:20] <imbrandon> neooffice on osx ;)
[09:20] <minghua> Fujitsu: TeX is hard!  (LaTeX is probably more sane)
[09:21] <LaserJock> I once made a 4ftx4ft poster in latex
[09:21] <Fujitsu> Well, I meant LaTeX is sane.
[09:21] <Fujitsu> Nobody in their right mind uses TeX raw.
[09:21] <LaserJock> it took forever,but man it was beautiful
[09:21] <imbrandon> LaserJock: hehe
[09:21] <minghua> maybe except Dr. Knuth?
[09:21] <Fujitsu> minghua, maybe.
[09:22] <LaserJock> my advisor uses latex for everything
[09:22] <imbrandon> well when i get closer to being finished with it i'll poke Fujitsu or LaserJock to LaTeX it ;)
[09:22] <imbrandon> lol
[09:22] <imbrandon> its only about 130 pages ;)
[09:23] <imbrandon> well ~130 neooffice pages, who knows properly layed out
[09:24] <minghua> my advisor uses MS Office for everything :-(
[09:25] <LaserJock> uggggg
[09:25] <minghua> well, plus EndNote
[09:25] <imbrandon> ok really gnight, c-yall
[09:25] <LaserJock> my advisor, until this year, only used fvwm, emacs, acroread, and firefox
[09:25] <Fujitsu> 'night.
[09:26] <LaserJock> cya imbrandon
[09:26] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, what does he use now?
[09:26] <LaserJock> OS X
[09:26] <LaserJock> with emacs, acrobat, and firefox ;-)
[09:26] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[09:26] <LaserJock> he used to even run fvwm on it
[09:26] <LaserJock> as he couldn't figure out how to use OS X itself
[09:27] <LaserJock> but he's gotten the hang of it now
[09:27] <LaserJock> stupid FC1 is what turned him to Apple
[09:28] <LaserJock> he had been a *nix user all his life
[09:28] <LaserJock> hard core Linux fanatic
[09:28] <Fujitsu> :(
[09:28] <ajmitch> but everyone knows that fedora is so great
[09:28] <LaserJock> would debate students in our instrumental analysis class about the evils of MS
[09:29] <LaserJock> and now it's all about the joy of Apple and OS X
[09:29] <Fujitsu> Fsck, that's bad.
[09:29] <ajmitch> the shiny has appeal
[09:29] <LaserJock> he couldn't care less about shiny though
[09:29] <Fujitsu> Just like this lag...
[09:29] <minghua> OS X _is_ good
[09:29] <imbrandon> the stable shiney has appeal
[09:29] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, you're meant to be in bed!
[09:30] <minghua> it's simple to use, so a good choice for scientists, I wold say
[09:30] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:30] <minghua> s/wold/would/
[09:30] <LaserJock> he bought the whole lab iMacs to replace our linux boxes
[09:30] <ajmitch> it's enough like unix to satisfy many
[09:30] <LaserJock> didn't want us to "waste our time" messing around with Linux
[09:31] <LaserJock> little did he know he created a raging Ubuntu-holic MOTU ;-)
[09:31] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:31] <ajmitch> who spends all his waking hours putting the rest of us to shame
[09:31] <LaserJock> bah
[09:31] <ajmitch> international superstar LaserJock!
[09:31] <LaserJock> no such thing
[09:32] <LaserJock> I try to do what I can, just  like everybody else
[09:33] <LaserJock> unfortunately I'm not nearly as good as most of you guys when it comes to packaging
[09:33] <ajmitch> unlike me :)
[09:33] <ajmitch> so no, not 'everyone'
[09:33] <LaserJock> I'm working on it though
[09:34] <minghua> no, no, some MOTUs just try harder
[09:34] <minghua> (unlike me)
[09:35] <LaserJock> shesh, I'd swear bddebian was somewhere around here
[09:36] <ajmitch> no, I said that I don't do work
[09:36] <ajmitch> not that I can't :)
[09:36] <LaserJock> ah
[09:36] <LaserJock> so bddebian is stupid
[09:36] <LaserJock> and ajmitch is lazy
[09:36] <LaserJock> got it ;-)
[09:37] <ajmitch> yep
[09:38] <LaserJock> and LaserJock is inefficient
[09:38] <LaserJock> man, we are a bunch of messed up MOTUs :-)
[09:39] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you're no mere motu
[09:39] <imbrandon> oh yea
[09:39] <Fujitsu> Silly imbrandon.
[09:39] <Fujitsu> I'm no MOTU either, so I'm allowed to do work :P
[09:39] <imbrandon> but but but .....
[09:39] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: haha
[09:40] <LaserJock> ok guys
[09:40] <LaserJock> I've *got* to get to bed
[09:41] <imbrandon> yea me too its like 3am
[09:41] <ajmitch> night LaserJock
[09:41] <imbrandon> REALLY gnight
[09:41] <LaserJock> my eyes have been  killing me for 2 weeks almost
[09:41] <Fujitsu> Bye, LaserJock.
[09:41] <Fujitsu> Bye imbrandon.
[09:41] <LaserJock> too much stupid irc
[09:41] <Fujitsu> Get some sleep, LaserJock :(
[09:42] <ajmitch> imbrandon:
[09:42] <ajmitch> 19:41 < phxheat> is kde4 going to be in the final release of edgy?
[09:42] <ajmitch> ;)
[09:42] <Fujitsu> ...
[09:43] <imbrandon> ajmitch: the development libs will be , but kde4 wont be released in time for even edgy+1
[09:43] <ajmitch> I know, I thought it was funny though
[09:43] <imbrandon> but everything needed to build kde4 ( and even the current binarys of kdebase and kdelibs ) are in universe
[09:43] <imbrandon> ahhh okies
[09:43] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:44] <imbrandon> heh
[09:44] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, not even Edgy+1? I thought it was meant to be late this year...
[09:45] <imbrandon> well /possibly/ edgy+1 afaik the first "rc/alpha/beta/something" is december
[09:46] <imbrandon> ( not counting the svn snapshots of "krash" right now ( 3.80.1 )
[09:46] <ajmitch> and 4.0 will probably be dripping & bloody anyway ;)
[09:46] <zakame> dholbach: ping
[09:46] <xerxas> Hi guys !
[09:46] <zakame> yo xerxas
[09:46] <dholbach> zakame: just about to leave for a run
[09:47] <zakame> dholbach: oh, just to say thanks for the greeting :D
[09:47] <dholbach> zakame: hehe, anytime ;-)
[09:47] <zakame> dholbach: :)
[09:48] <zakame> dholbach: just wondering, are you related to baron holbach?  as I read somewhere you lived ina castle :P
[09:48] <zakame> oh, ok, save that for later then :D
[09:48] <dholbach> zakame: ahahaha - not really ;-)
[09:49] <dholbach> zakame: I know that in the 1700es the Holbachs lived in France, but that's all I know, sorry :)
[09:49] <zakame> ah
[09:49] <zakame> well I ran across that guy in my classes on Philo, hehe
[10:43] <azeem> Laser_away: well, I planned to merge them myself at some point, but didn't get around yet :-/
[10:43] <azeem> gchempaint should be there RSN, then I'll take a look, what was the deadline?
[10:52] <crimsun> thursday (9/28)
[10:52] <azeem> thanks
[10:55] <Fujitsu> It's going to be really really useful maybe being a MOTU as of Wednesday, isn't it? :P
[10:55] <crimsun> by Wednesday we need to shift from new->critical bugfixes
[10:56] <Fujitsu> True.
[10:56] <Fujitsu> Thanks crimsun :)
[10:56] <ajmitch> too much that I need to get done
[10:57] <ajmitch> lucky for some
[10:57] <dredg> we are hosting the summit ;)
[10:58] <ajmitch> hm
[10:58] <minghua> it is finally in US
[10:58] <crimsun> I couldn't score time to go, either
[10:59] <ajmitch> oh I've got time
[10:59] <dredg> worst location ever though :)
[10:59] <ajmitch> I just don't have $$
[10:59] <ajmitch> dredg: any idea where people are going to be able to stay?
[11:00] <dredg> ajmitch: not a clue
[11:00] <dredg> Mountain View is hardly the centre of activity - you pretty much need a car to get around anywhere
[11:00] <dredg> thoguh there is a caltrain to SF
[11:00] <ajmitch> that's what I fear
[11:00] <ajmitch> other summits have been good, being in the hotel
[11:01] <ajmitch> less time wastage getting around
[11:02] <dredg> it's about 3 miles from castro to the campus
[11:03] <ajmitch> a bit far to walk :)
[11:03] <dredg> i've walked it. like fun, but subtly different.
[11:03] <ajmitch> haha
[11:04] <ajmitch> I'm sure that something would be sorted
[11:05] <dredg> depends where people are staying. i'll either be staying in an apartment in mountain view or in a hotel in SF
[11:05] <ajmitch> hi spacey
[11:05] <ajmitch> dredg: coming from .ie?
[11:05] <spacey> hi there
[11:05] <Fujitsu> Can <insert MOTU other than crimsun> please second crimsun's approval on Bugs 62261->62273, excluding 62264, 62267 and 62270?
[11:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62261 in Ubuntu "Please sync amap-align 2.0-1 from Debian Sid (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62261
[11:05] <spacey> how is it hanging?
[11:05] <dredg> ajmitch: yeah
[11:06] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: why is it required, when they're in debian already?
[11:06] <crimsun> Fujitsu: you don't need two acks
[11:06] <Fujitsu> Oh.
[11:06] <crimsun> (that's why I've already subbed u-a)
[11:06] <Fujitsu> Just for packages outside Debian?
[11:06] <Fujitsu> OK.
[11:06] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[11:06] <ajmitch> I *only* heard of this 2-ACK requirement for syncs this morning
[11:06] <ajmitch> crimsun: when was it announced?
[11:06] <Fujitsu> Why'd I have to get LaserJock's as well for treeviewx, then?
[11:06] <crimsun> ajmitch: it wasn't; it's only for REVU (new and not in Debian)
[11:06] <Fujitsu> Dinner now.
[11:07] <Fujitsu> OK.
[11:07] <crimsun> Fujitsu: sorry, I misinformed you.
[11:07] <ajmitch> crimsun: right, and why should there be two ACKs needed on syncs in that case?
[11:07] <dredg> ajmitch: there are hotels in MV itself but it really is a pain in the ass to get to google
[11:07] <ajmitch> I'd assume that I'd be able to request new packages into edgy still by myself
[11:08] <crimsun> ajmitch: there doesn't need to be two for syncs from Debian. I was wrongly aligning the policy with REVU's.
[11:08] <dredg> if I'm staying in MV I'll have a car. If not, I'll be getting a shuttle from SF
[11:09] <ajmitch> crimsun: good, so it sounds like business as usual then :)
[11:09] <crimsun> ajmitch: yep
[11:12] <dredg> but as a rule, public transport around mountain view is non-existant
[11:12] <dredg> it's 45min walk or so to the nearest fry's
[11:14] <ajmitch> attendees will get fit..
[11:14] <dredg> cars for some, tiny american flags for everyone else! ;)
[11:14] <seaLne> has anyone packaged any ruby stuff? i'm having problems trying to get it in /usr rather than /usr/local
[11:16] <crimsun> what build system does it use?
[11:17] <seaLne> autotools
[11:17] <seaLne> i think i have found the problem
[11:29] <Fujitsu> Back.
[11:41] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: fixed the universe yet?
[11:41] <Fujitsu> Oh yes, it's all fixed. Not a single bug or old version remaining.
[11:42] <Fujitsu> I'm using my uber-leet nothing-powers.
[11:50] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: good to hear
[01:09] <iapx8088> hi alle
[01:09] <seaLne> DESTDIR with make install install is a built in thing?
[01:10] <iapx8088> mhmmh
[01:10] <iapx8088> I have a little OT
[01:10] <iapx8088> for a package I want to push in REVU
[01:10] <iapx8088> It's an automake question
[01:11] <iapx8088> I have four dirs
[01:11] <iapx8088> mmh maybe I sorted that one
[01:56] <iapx8088> mmhmh
[02:16] <xerxas> can I suppres a bzr branch ?
[02:16] <xerxas> suppress
[02:17] <ajmitch> what do you mean by that?
[02:17] <xerxas> https://launchpad.net/people/telepathy/+branch/pymsn/ubuntu
[02:17] <xerxas> precisely: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/pymsn/ubuntu
[02:17] <xerxas> the code in this branch is for package telepathy-butterfly and not for pymsn
[02:18] <xerxas> I maybe spletted something ...
[02:18] <xerxas> I'm restarting to package pymsn from scratch
[02:18] <ajmitch> you'd have to ask #launchpad
[02:18] <ajmitch> I don't know if you can delete a branch at all
[02:18] <xerxas> ajmitch,  ok , thanks
[02:19] <xerxas> I don't need a "Provides" field in control , right ?
[02:19] <ajmitch> not unless you're providing a virtual package
[02:29] <xerxas> ajmitch,  a virtual package is let's say "webserver" ?
[02:29] <xerxas> then I can do apt-get install webserver
[02:29] <xerxas> and this installs apache2 ? (just as an example)
[02:29] <xerxas> dholbach,  ?
[02:30] <ajmitch> httpd, rather than webserver, but yes
[02:31] <iapx8088> hi all
[02:35] <xerxas> ajmitch,  cool
[02:35] <iapx8088> I have an issue with my package
[02:36] <iapx8088> at the final step, some .a libs complain about function in other .a libs
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hey all
[02:36] <iapx8088> but I have put a LIBADD in those makefiles
[02:43] <zul> hi Hobbsee
[02:43] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:44] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!
[02:44] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!
[02:44] <Mithrandir> hi Hobbsee
[02:45] <Mithrandir> (or stomped or similar)
[02:45] <crimsun> what the heck is Joel Bryan Juliano smoking? [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-September/095156.html] 
[02:45] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: careful, he's the one approving any updates to main
[02:45] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: right....good point that, i do have an upload i need to make.
[02:46] <Hobbsee> need to fix it first though
[02:46] <Hobbsee> crimsun: something very strange
[02:46] <ajmitch> crimsun: I want some!
[02:48] <jsgotangco> crimsun: he's always something really crackful
[02:49] <jsgotangco> smoking that his
[02:49] <ajmitch> he considers that a branding move? wow
[02:49] <jsgotangco> he's ok in person, if a bit too quiet but i dunno what he's smoking when he makes posts
[02:51] <iapx8088> mmh
[02:51] <tseng> With these things, I'm wondering, is this really open source...
[02:51] <tseng> clearly not
[02:51] <iapx8088> how it was an unified patch between dirs
[02:51] <iapx8088> diff -urN?
[02:51] <tseng> yes
[02:52] <iapx8088> thanks
[02:55] <tseng> wow -users is awful
[02:55] <zul> tseng: how so?
[02:57] <tseng> eh
[02:57] <zul>  tseng> wow -users is awful
[02:57] <tseng> yes, it is
[02:58] <Hobbsee> it must be worse than kubuntu-users then
[02:58] <tseng> but I guess it is not for me
[02:58] <tseng> and I will happily ignore it
[03:46] <seaLne> anyone have time to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3243
[03:57] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:15] <sharms> howdy
[04:16] <bddebian> Heya sharms
[04:18] <sharms> bddebian: finally became an official member, thanks for the vote of confidence way back
[04:19] <bddebian> sharms: Great, welcome!
[04:43] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[04:44] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[04:45] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[05:02] <phanatic> good afternoon
[05:03] <bddebian> Heya phanatic
[05:03] <phanatic> heya bddebian
[05:05] <jblack> ogra: Ping. :)
[05:05] <ogra> jblack, pongedipong
[05:05] <ogra> hikenboot, how are you ?
[05:05] <ogra> oops
[05:05] <jblack> Hey buddy! What's shaking?
[05:05] <ogra> lots of work ;)
[05:05] <jblack> I bet. :)
[05:06] <ogra> just came back from detroit ...
[05:06] <jblack> What were you doing there?
[05:06] <ogra> ltsp hackfest
[05:06] <jblack> The company went to _detroit_? Or just you?
[05:06] <ogra> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
[05:06] <ogra> only me for some days
[05:06] <ogra> but i must admit i like your country :)
[05:06] <jblack> Don't hold detroit against the US. Its one of our dirtiest cities.
[05:07] <ogra> even though i dont like homeland security :)
[05:07] <jblack> come out here to pennsylvania some time. I'll take care of you.
[05:07] <jsgotangco> you liked the USA?
[05:07] <ogra> yep
[05:07] <ogra> was my first time ...
[05:07] <ogra> jsgotangco, the country is nice ... most people i met were as well ...
[05:07] <jsgotangco> well yeah
[05:07] <jblack> ogra: Come out here to pennsylvania. We'll chain smoke on the porch all day.
[05:07] <ogra> (i'm not talking about politics ;) )
[05:08] <jsgotangco> be in the right place at the right time and you'll definitely enjoy it
[05:08] <ogra> jblack, yay ... we'll be in mountainview in november ...
[05:08] <ogra> and i'll probably go to maine before
[05:08] <jblack> Yeah. I have some idea of what you went through. With all the travel I did, I got on to the "not-so-random" random list. Pain in the rear.
[05:08] <ogra> yeah
[05:08] <jsgotangco> haha
[05:08] <jblack> Maine? I might be able to swing a trip up there for a couple days to say hi.
[05:09] <ogra> if i go (undecided yet) i'll be there from nov 1st to 4th
[05:09] <jblack> Its probably an 8 hour trip each way, but I miss seeing you.
[05:09] <ogra> dunno exactly which city yet
[05:09] <jblack> You know its cold in main in november, right?
[05:09] <jblack> maine, I mean.
[05:09] <ogra> like in germany i suppose
[05:09] <tseng> jblack: he wants a big thanksgiving turkey
[05:10] <jblack> I'll look over my finances when its closer, and I'll come up to say hi if I can swing it. Ok?
[05:10] <ogra> well, thanksgiving is over in nov, isnt it ?
[05:10] <tseng> ogra: that was in Canada
[05:10] <ogra> sure, i'll mail you with details :)
[05:10] <jblack> Its on the other side of Nov. Thats when we celebrate slaughting idigenous people by eating over fed birds.
[05:10] <tseng> ogra: the real thanksgiving is in November
[05:10] <ogra> oh
[05:11] <jblack> *slaughtering.
[05:11] <tseng> ogra: Canada is like the Bizzaro US
[05:11] <jblack> Don't worry. I'm ignorant against US culture too.
[05:11] <jblack> Yeah. Please mail me.
[05:11] <jblack> So, anyways, I was wondering if you could kick the mythtv guys for me?
[05:12] <ogra> if i knew who that is :)
[05:12] <jblack> I don't know either. Its a team email address.
[05:12] <ogra> since mdz gave up maintainig it i'm not sure who cares
[05:12] <jblack> Its neither fish now fowl right now. The core is 0.20 and all the fun stuff is still at 0.18. Probably stuck in download or build.
[05:13] <ogra> and since tseng is the rather active -motu guy i suppose he's right pointing to imbrandon
[05:13] <tseng> haha rather active
[05:13] <ogra> well, there are still 3 days for upgrading it
[05:13] <slomo_> a sync from debian/multimedia was requested
[05:13] <slomo_> but nobody wants to sync from there
[05:13] <jblack> Nah. Its not in Debian.
[05:13] <slomo_> so someone feel free to do a fakesync now
[05:13] <tseng> jblack: thats not what he said
[05:13] <jblack> mdz moved the packages from debian to ubuntu.
[05:13] <slomo_> jblack: no not in debian... but debian/multimedia
[05:14] <jblack> The section listed here is multiverse/graphics
[05:14] <slomo_> www.debian-multimedia.org
[05:15] <jblack> bleh.
[05:15] <jblack> I did an in place upgrade from Debian to edgy just to get mythtv on the box when I couldn't find marillat. :)
[05:16] <jblack> btw, in place upgrades are not fun.
[05:17] <ogra> rebuilds are more proper ;)
[05:18] <tseng> from  unstable to edgy is a weird upgrade path indeed
[05:18] <jblack> Yeah. A reinstall would have been more sane. The filesystem has a certain nostalgia for me though.
[05:18] <jblack> That filesystm has been with me through thick and thin for about a decade. I couldn't just kill it off.
[05:21] <jblack> tseng Its somthing to not advise unless the person considering it has a very solid understanding of both debian and ubuntu, and has the time to do it.
[05:22] <tseng> jblack: sounds about right
[05:22] <tseng> jblack: luckily you qualify
[08:01] <bluefoxicy> how do I tell cdbs not to run ./configure
[08:13] <xerxas> bluefoxicy:  what are you trying to package ?
[08:13] <xerxas> how does it build ?
[08:13] <bluefoxicy> xerxas: http://north.one.pl/~kazik/pub/LZOlayer/
[08:14] <xerxas> bluefoxicy: how does it build ?
[08:14] <bluefoxicy> you type make
[08:14] <Gloubiboulga> use the makefile.mk class the
[08:15] <Gloubiboulga> n
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> got it.
[08:16] <bluefoxicy> section:Utilities?
[08:18] <Gloubiboulga> 'utils'
[08:21] <bluefoxicy> dpkg-source: error: source package name `LZOlayer-fs' contains illegal character `L'
[08:22] <Gloubiboulga> you can't use capital letters in a source package name
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> gpg agent is terminally broken in seahorse
[08:26] <bluefoxicy> and fuckin' dpkg-buildpackage is asking me for a passphares
[08:26] <bluefoxicy> which I give it
[08:26] <bluefoxicy> and it says "oh well I can't connect to seahorse anyway so I don't trust you still" and fails to sign
[08:27] <tseng> bluefoxicy: settle down please
[08:38] <bluefoxicy> I have to e-mail this guy.
[08:38] <bluefoxicy>     Copyrights reserved, blah blah
[08:38] <bluefoxicy>     Use it at your OWN RISK
[08:38] <bluefoxicy>     Absolutely NO WARANTY
[08:38] <bluefoxicy> ^^^ That's his copyright statement... I don't think it fits in with the guidelines
[08:41] <joejaxx> anyone here know about generating isos from seeds?
[08:44] <joejaxx> probably not since this is the repository maintainers channel :)
[09:48] <ajmitch> morning
[09:49] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[09:52] <LaserJock> hi guys
[09:53] <zul> hey LaserJock and ajmitch
[09:57] <givre> Hi guys, i have a problem uploading a package :Uploading via ftp ntfs-3g_20070920-BETA-1ubuntu1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of ntfs-3g_20070920-BETA-1ubuntu1.dsc
[09:57] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[09:57] <givre> What can i do ?
[09:57] <ajmitch> givre: I'll clear the queue
[09:57] <robitaille> q/quit
[09:58] <givre> ajmitch: thanks
[09:58] <ajmitch> givre: make sure you upload a source-only package
[09:58] <ajmitch> (debuild -S -sa)
[09:59] <givre> yeah, i forgot that in a first attempt, that's why i wanted to cancel it
[09:59] <ajmitch> try again now, it should work
[10:02] <givre> That works. Thanks
[10:14] <imbrandon> moins
[10:16] <LaserJock> imbrandon: isn't it like 3 or 4 pm there?
[10:16] <tseng> LaserJock: moins has nothing to do with time of day
[10:17] <imbrandon> LaserJock: yea but i slept late, rember i dident goto bed till after 4am ;)
[10:17] <ajmitch> crazy people
[10:18] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[10:18] <imbrandon> looks like all the mailing lists are picking back up some steam, after a weekend of nothing
[10:58] <LaserJock> sometimes binary NEW is just a bummer
[11:16] <ajmitch> LaserJock: so is source-in-NEW :)
[11:18] <LaserJock> well
[11:18] <LaserJock> but I get all excited when my source package makes it past source NEW and builds
[11:18] <ajmitch> heh
[11:18] <LaserJock> and then it sits in NEW again
[11:18] <LaserJock> :/
[11:18] <ajmitch> I would have thought they'd approve source+binary
[11:19] <LaserJock> apparently not
[11:19] <ajmitch> ah well
[11:19] <ajmitch> now I'll just need to cut up some code & test it
[11:20] <LaserJock> it's been there since the 22nd
[11:20] <LaserJock> and ouch, there are 92 packages in the NEW queue
[11:22] <LaserJock> wow, mutt has increased my ML posting considerably
[11:22] <LaserJock> I've written 2 emails today already ;-)
[11:22] <LaserJock> hiya Q-FUNK
[11:22] <Q-FUNK> howdy
[11:22] <ajmitch> hello Q-FUNK
[11:33] <LaserJock> hi Yagisan
[11:34] <Yagisan> man - I feel odd. I'm up at the right time for my timezone
[11:34] <LaserJock> :-)
[11:34] <LaserJock> I was going to say
[11:35] <ajmitch> morning Yagisan
[11:35] <Yagisan> I suppose I should have breakfast of something
[11:35] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch
[11:36] <Yagisan> ajmitch, I taught my pbuilder how to use distcc yester :)
[11:36] <Yagisan> s/yester/yesterday
[11:36] <ajmitch> that's a recipe for disaster
[11:37] <Fujitsu> Hey ajmitch.
[11:37] <ajmitch> hi
[11:37] <Yagisan> ajmitch, edgy pbuilder and edgy systems.
[11:37] <Yagisan> was fun anyway
[11:39] <Fujitsu> So, what are out almighty MOTUs doing today (other than going crazy because there's only two days left)?
[11:40] <Q-FUNK> good evening y'all
[11:40] <Q-FUNK> erm... going crazy because there's only 2 days left, mostly
[11:40] <Q-FUNK> ;)
[11:40] <Q-FUNK> brb
[11:44] <lupine_85> My package hasn't been accepted yet :'(
[11:46] <ajmitch> lupine_85: which package, and where?
[11:47] <lupine_85> rutilt, on REVU
[11:47] <lupine_85> it had a few silly errors but I think it's all OK now
[11:47] <ajmitch> you mean that it hasn't been reviewed & advocated?
[11:47] <lupine_85> erm, I think so :)
[11:47] <ajmitch> ok..
[11:48] <lupine_85> ah, sorry
[11:48] <lupine_85> had plenty of hassle getting it up there, but it is there now
[11:49] <Fujitsu> What do we do with universe security vulnerabilities (tor, in this case) that affect hoary, breezy, dapper, and current edgy (but edgy will be fixed when my sync is requested).
[11:49] <Fujitsu> *?
[11:49] <LaserJock> imbrandon: "Fierce Falcon" you gotta be kidding me ;-)
[11:49] <lupine_85> I'm assuming that if it doesn't get in before the freeze, it won't get in at all until edgy+1.. is that right?
[11:50] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: you prepare & submit debdiffs to the security team
[11:50] <Fujitsu> Fierce Falcon is /boooring/.
[11:50] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: package up a fix and get it off to pitti
[11:50] <imbrandon> LaserJock: its was really justa  joke
[11:50] <LaserJock> ajmitch said it better, as usual
[11:50] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures
[11:50] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I'm just kidding ya. I think I like falcon better than fierce
[11:50] <ajmitch> getting the changelog & versioning right is important
[11:51] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:51] <Fujitsu> Hm. I thought that was for main only...
[11:51] <lupine_85> Free Falcon? ;)
[11:52] <Fujitsu> Bug #58605, security advisory at http://archives.seul.org/or/announce/Aug-2006/msg00001.html... It doesn't meet the guidelines on SecurityUpdateProcedures, I don't think.
[11:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58605 in tor "Upstream reports security flaw: clients will relay traffic" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58605
[11:52] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: it doesn't matter, the only difference between Universe and Main for security is MOTUs have to do the work ;-)
[11:53] <ajmitch> LaserJock: s/MOTUs/usually crimsun/
[11:53] <Fujitsu> OK, but it says the only updates will be for permission circumvention or data loss...
[11:53] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: package it up and ask pitti about it
[11:53] <Fujitsu> OK.
[11:53] <LaserJock> if he doesn't want it then he'll reject it
[11:54] <LaserJock> no biggy really
[11:54] <ajmitch> he's less likely to reject something where someone has put in the work
[11:54] <Yagisan> ah - speaking of packages, after the freeze when you guys are less busy, I'd like to some packaging help with something that's probably edgy + 1.
[11:55] <Yagisan> Fujitsu, debdiff your patch, and send it too the list. pitti crimsum and some others (like me, and probally ajmitch) will eyeball it and you'll get a go/no go for it
[11:56] <Fujitsu> They've got 0.1.0.18, which is fixed... The others all have older versions of 0.1.0.x, shall I locate the specific fix and attempt to backport it?
[11:57] <Yagisan> that is more work for you, but more likely to be accepted
[11:57] <Fujitsu> I realise that, yes, that's why I asked.
[11:57] <Fujitsu> Brb.
[12:00] <LaserJock> grrr, why does edgy eat my /etc/resolv.conf?
[12:02] <LaserJock> and my gateway
[12:02] <LaserJock> that's not fun
[12:05] <LaserJock> anybody got a clue? :/
[12:05] <lupine_85> dapper did that too
[12:05] <lupine_85> to do with dhclient, IIRC
[12:05] <LaserJock> dhclient?
[12:05] <lupine_85> DHCP
[12:06] <LaserJock> I don't use DHCP
[12:06] <lupine_85> hmm, strange then#
[12:06] <LaserJock> I fixed this once
[12:06] <lupine_85> maybe #ubuntu+1 ?
[12:06] <LaserJock> but every time I reboot it resets my network
[12:08] <lupine_85> are the settings in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[12:08] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:08] <lupine_85> hmm
[12:09] <lupine_85> is it possible that something Xy is overriding them?
[12:09] <lupine_85> network-manager (spit) etc?
[12:09] <LaserJock> I don't have network-manager