[01:36] <bddebian> Heya
[02:49] <mhz> moin
[02:51] <bddebian> Heya mhz
[02:51] <mhz> hey bddebian 
[03:07] <de_wizze> is there any Controloula work-a-like in (ed)ubuntu ? The idea is perfect but it seems to be only available unofficially from Linex.
[03:24] <LaserJock> de_wizze: what does it do? I've heard of it
[03:26] <de_wizze> http://www.gfiles.org/gtk/download/controlaula/822/
[03:27] <de_wizze> its the closest thing that I have seen to a reasonable Remote Desktop Management console so far 
[03:27] <LaserJock> de_wizze: edubuntu has student-control-panel
[03:27] <LaserJock> for ltsp
[03:27] <de_wizze> GUI based any way 
[03:29] <de_wizze> ok 
[03:29] <de_wizze> I'll check it out ..
[04:23] <skwashd> hi all
[04:23] <skwashd> i am working my way through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup
[04:23] <skwashd> and i am almost at the end ... yay!
[04:24] <skwashd> i haven't been able to find out what is meant by "Note that powerpc clients need some special options in the servers dhcp setup. " at the bottom of that doc
[04:24] <skwashd> anyone able to offer some hints?
[04:24] <skwashd> i am running a PIII server with a G3 client
[06:19] <Amaranth> ogra: ping
[08:11] <TeePOG> morning all
[08:24] <TeePOG> Kamping_Kaiser: g'day mate
[08:24] <TeePOG> ogra, hi
[08:25] <TeePOG> hi nixternal, Burgundavia
[08:32] <nixternal> hiya TeePOG
[08:34] <TeePOG> how goes it nixternal?
[08:34] <nixternal> somehow, it continues going ;)
[08:34] <TeePOG> tr00
[08:35] <TeePOG> coffee helps
[08:35] <nixternal> not at 1:30 am ;)
[08:35] <nixternal> sleep helps now ;)
[08:37] <TeePOG> sheesh, sure... it's 08:40 here now
[08:39] <TeePOG> i'm 15 minutes from finishing Knoppix 5 DVD from torrent ^.^
[08:47] <cbx33> I think I have it :)
[08:47] <cbx33> I have fixed the pessulus bug
[08:48] <cbx33> ogra: the workaround I created originally actually now breaks it
[08:48] <cbx33> so I've removed it, and pending some rigorous testing later today it works ;)
[08:49] <cbx33> w00t
[08:50] <cbx33> how is everyone this morning? Hmmmmmmmm?
[08:50] <cafuego> by all means
[08:50] <skwashd> cafuego: hey
[08:50] <cafuego> skwashd: http://www.cafuego.net/stuff/dhcpd.conf
[08:51] <cafuego> skwashd: I netboot my macs on that config; I think you need to at least have 'allow booting;' and 'allow bootp;'
[08:51] <bimberi> skwashd: np :)
[08:51] <skwashd> bimberi: :)
[08:51] <cbx33> hey bimberi 
[08:51] <bimberi> hi cbx33!
[08:51] <cafuego> skwashd: .. and that should in theory result in the mac pulling yaboot.conf off the tftp server
[08:52] <skwashd> ok
[08:52] <cbx33> bimberi: I'm hoping to get a chance to try those playground noises in the sounds later
[08:52] <cbx33> I love EDGE/GPRS :D
[08:52] <bimberi> ooh, really, that'd be good
[08:53] <cbx33> bimberi: yes i have to make a change to the logout sound so I'll do it then
[08:53] <cbx33> :)
[08:53] <cbx33> and now my patch is done I'll have more time to do it
[08:53] <skwashd> atleast this time i get a grey screen
[08:53] <bimberi> someone emailed me with an excellent idea.  startup sound has playground noises punctuated by a bell ringing (for the start of school).  Shutdown starts with the bell followed by children cheering
[08:53] <bimberi> :)
[08:54] <cbx33> hehehe
[08:54] <bimberi> i think that would require particular recording though
[08:54] <cbx33> that's a cool idea - we could try that in edgy + 1
[08:55] <cbx33> hhe
[08:55] <cbx33> DAMN it.
[08:55] <cbx33> argh
[08:55] <cbx33> nooooo
[08:55] <skwashd> ah hang on
[08:55] <cbx33> this patch is broken again
[08:55] <skwashd> i forgot the last step of the howto
[08:55] <cbx33> i remember why i did it in the first place now
[08:56] <cbx33> *gah*
[08:58] <cbx33> right I'm off for a while
[08:58] <cbx33> see y'all later
[08:59] <skwashd> hmmm
[08:59] <skwashd> Not on powerpc, skipping yaboot installation.
[09:01] <skwashd> the i386 bit works
[09:01] <skwashd> that is when updating the kernels ... as listed in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup
[09:06] <TeePOG> hey, cool, i was wondering about that a while ago
[09:20] <skwashd> cafuego: it seems i don't have a powerpc kernel installed under /opt/ltsp
[09:21] <skwashd> running ltsp-update-kernels on the server gives the error above about not being on ppc
[09:22] <cafuego> skwashd: Ugh. Yeah, a ppc chroot would be _really_ handy.
[09:22] <skwashd> but running it on the client with a live cd complains about not being able to find /opt/ltsp/*/boot/vmlinux*
[09:22] <cafuego> skwashd: Your ltsp server is i386?
[09:22] <skwashd> cafuego: yeah
[09:22] <skwashd> client will be a powerpc
[09:23] <cafuego> Ok, the way I went about this, is to install the server on the powerpc; and then copy the chroot across.
[09:23] <skwashd> cafuego: so https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup is crap ?
[09:25] <cafuego> skwashd: I've not tried it..
[09:25] <skwashd> ok
[09:25] <cafuego> skwashd: but netbooting, mounting and installing should work OK.
[09:25] <cafuego> Just check that /opt/ltsp is not a symlink.
[09:25] <skwashd> /opt/ltsp is fine
[09:26] <skwashd> i can read and write to it
[09:26] <cafuego> Then in theory `sudo ltsp-build-client' should work fine.
[09:26] <skwashd> which is what i did
[09:26] <skwashd> and it seemed to forget the kernel/s :(
[09:27] <cafuego> Hmm..
[09:27] <cafuego> I cna give you kernels.
[09:27] <cafuego> Just copy 'em by hand, hold on.
[09:27] <skwashd> cafuego: how about i chroot
[09:27] <skwashd> and just apt-get install
[09:27] <cafuego> (these ALSO contain the nic drivers for the old ppcs)
[09:28] <cafuego> skwashd: yes, but make sure that the initrd that's generated is set up for nfs root.
[09:28] <skwashd> cafuego: i will run the ltsp-update-kernels once i have a kernel in the chroot :)
[09:28] <skwashd> and i have exitted the chroot
[09:33] <skwashd> cafuego: btw did you go to the sfd bazaar ?
[09:36] <willvdl> morning all
[09:39] <cbx33> well I figured out the problem
[09:39] <cbx33> but it's not so easy to fix
[09:39] <cbx33> :(
[09:39] <cbx33> the problem is which gconf server it uses
[10:02] <cbx33> hi RichEd 
[10:02] <RichEd> hi cbx33 - how are you ?
[10:02] <cbx33> heh - fixing a nasty bug in pessulus
[10:03] <RichEd> We had a bank holiday yesterday ... some time with the kids & wife. Did I miss anything or anyone ?
[10:03] <cbx33> but I kinda created it so it's my problem
[10:03] <cbx33> :p
[10:04] <RichEd> Well good luck :)
[10:04] <cbx33> hehe tahnk you
[10:04] <cbx33> brb
[10:05] <skwashd> cafuego: that did the trick
[10:11] <TeePOG> morning RichEd :-)
[10:11] <RichEd> Hi TeePOG :)
[10:12] <TeePOG> how goes?
[10:13] <RichEd> all right ... getting up to speed today ... been hassling with telkom adsl for the last 2 hours when I needed to be working :(
[10:13] <TeePOG> yah, you could spend your whole life hassling telkom
[10:17] <cbx33> pygi
[10:18] <cbx33> !!!!!
[10:18] <cbx33> good morning
[10:18] <pygi> morning cbx33
[10:18] <pygi> you have a sec?
[10:18] <cbx33> sms working yet ;)
[10:18] <pygi> yes, to everyone but you :P
[10:24] <pygi> cbx33: sorry, dc
[10:24] <pygi> and I still can't send you a message :-/
[10:25] <cbx33> ok np
[10:26] <pygi> it's weird since I can send it to  anyone else, I tried Hungary, USA, India...
[10:26] <pygi> all works :-/
[10:28] <pygi> joy, 350ms lag :-/
[10:29] <cbx33> :(
[10:29] <willvdl> mjor lag here too (South Africa)
[10:32] <pygi> cbx33: you have a phone on some other network perhaps?
[10:33] <cbx33> no :(
[10:38] <pygi> cbx33: it's weird I can call you, but can't send you a message
[10:38] <cbx33> yeh
[10:38] <cbx33> unless my network won;t accept incoming sms from abroad
[10:38] <skwashd> hmmm
[10:38] <skwashd> still not working
[10:39] <skwashd> i get the BOOTREQUEST and it gives the BOOTREPLY
[10:39] <skwashd> and i get a grey screen
[10:39] <skwashd> but i can't seem to boot
[10:42] <ogra> morning
[10:42] <ogra> skwashd, fo mac booting i have a dhcpd.conf at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dhcpd.conf
[10:43] <ogra> they need this silly hex code, else they wont pick up the reply
[10:44] <pygi> cbx33: might be, poke the  network service about it?
[10:44] <skwashd> ogra: thanks ... i will look at it
[10:44] <skwashd> and compare it to the version i got from cafuego
[10:44] <ogra> skwashd, is that a mac server with mac clients ? 
[10:45] <ogra> or i386 ?
[10:45] <skwashd> mine? i386 server with a ppc client
[10:45] <ogra> ah, fine ...
[10:45] <ogra> did you follow the multiarch doc ? 
[10:46] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup
[10:46] <pygi> cbx33: you still alive? :)
[10:46] <cbx33> pygi: yes I'm alive
[10:46] <cbx33> I'll ring them
[10:46] <cbx33> ogra: good morning
[10:46] <pygi> kk
[10:47] <cbx33> I have found the problem
[10:47] <skwashd> ogra: yes
[10:47] <ogra> and you didnt end up with a kernel in the chroot ? 
[10:47] <skwashd> ogra or cafuego can i please get a yaboot.conf ?
[10:47] <ogra> that shouldnt happen ...
[10:47] <skwashd> ogra: initially no ... so i had to chroot and install it manually
[10:47] <skwashd> using a live cd
[10:47] <ogra> are you sure that all the setps in ltsp-build-client finished fine ? 
[10:47] <ogra> *steps
[10:48] <skwashd> the second time ... yes
[10:48] <ogra> hey cbx33 
[10:48] <ogra> second time == you wiped out /opt/ltsp before running ltsp-build-client again, right ? 
[10:48] <ogra> (never run it over an existing chroot, that will break)
[10:49] <skwashd> ogra: no ... cos i has the i386 install already done
[10:49] <cbx33> ogra: the problem was a real icky one, I had to use gconftool to write the keys when using a custom path, as running from within the code/python, caused it to be run as root, changing ownership of the gconf directories for the user = not a good idea ;) The problem was that when I was reading them in it was using roots gconf server, and when writing it was using the users
[10:49] <ogra> well, then /opt/ltsp/powerpc ...
[10:49] <skwashd> but over /opt/ltsp/powerpc ... i am pretty sure i did
[10:49] <skwashd> fsck it
[10:49] <ogra> but it will cause breakage to run it twice on the same chroot
[10:49] <skwashd> time to try again
[10:49] <cbx33> hence there was discontinuity between the data - consquently I'm writing a whole new set of get functions in a subclass, which will use gconftool to get the value
[10:50] <cbx33> the subclass is good as it is what vuntz wanted anyway :D
[10:50] <ogra> skwashd, also are you running dapper or edgy ? 
[10:50] <ogra> the kernel handling in ltsp-update-kernels is different in edgy
[10:50] <ogra> cbx33, how big is that patch ?
[10:51] <cbx33> no huge
[10:51] <cbx33> but it is definitely needed if you want pessulus
[10:51] <ogra> note that we're only allowed to change very few lines after beta ...
[10:51] <cbx33> so you want it in before beta
[10:51] <skwashd> ogra: on this box ... dapper
[10:51] <cbx33> ogra: I get that
[10:51] <cbx33> so I'm goign to try to get it done now
[10:51] <cbx33> which should be ok
[10:51] <ogra> cbx33, i'm not sure i want to change anything before beta ...
[10:52] <cbx33> something seems to have changed in gconf because it all worked before hand
[10:52] <ogra> skwashd, ok, then all should be fine ... in edgy parts of the kernel update code moved into the chroot ...
[10:52] <cbx33> ogra: what's the bottom line
[10:52] <ogra> cbx33, show me the patch :)
[10:52] <skwashd> ogra: would you recommend edgy over dapper ?
[10:52] <cbx33> ogra: I'll develop it now and show it to you when it's done
[10:52] <cbx33> is that gonna be ok
[10:52] <ogra> skwashd, feature wise i would ... but i didnt run any cross arch tests yet
[10:52] <cbx33> I'm at work, but I'm tryingto ignore everyone
[10:53] <ogra> cbx33, as it fits you ... 
[10:54] <ogra> skwashd, edgy adds automatic network swap, printing support, local device support (floppies,cdroms,usbsticks....), language ans seselection in the login manager ...
[10:54] <skwashd> ogra: hmmm ... how recent is the newest "flight" (or whatever) image ?
[10:55] <skwashd> ah ... local dev support ... that is something i want
[10:55] <ogra> skwashd, i'll be testing an edubuntu daily install in abut an hour ... thats nearly the beta release
[10:55] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[10:55] <ogra> from a first look at the iso it seems fine ... but i cant say anything more until i've done a test install
[10:56] <cbx33> ogra: someone said we'd be dropping back to an almost FF state after beta
[10:56] <skwashd> ogra: how tricky would a dist-upgrade be ?
[10:56] <ogra> cbx33, well, changes will be reviewed the smaller ones are more likely to be accepted ...
[10:57] <ogra> skwashd, apart from having to rebuild your chroots it should be fine ...
[10:57] <cbx33> ah ok
[10:58] <skwashd> and rebuilding the chroot would be done by ... chroot /opt/ltsp/arch; vi /etc/apt/sources.list; sudo apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[10:58] <ogra> nope
[10:58] <ogra> sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/$arch && sudo ltsp-build-client
[10:58] <skwashd> hmmm
[10:59] <skwashd> so i would need an edubuntu powerpc edgy live cd?
[10:59] <ogra> ltsp-build-client des some tweaks to the chroot that are not done by the packages, so a simple upgrade might fail (or might work i didnt test it)
[10:59] <ogra> as i said before, i wasnt able to test multiarch either yet ... but it should be the same procedure as described in the doc
[11:00] <skwashd> ogra: this "2 hour job" has taken me a large part of my day ... i think i will stick with dapper for now 
[11:00] <ogra> ok
[11:03] <skwashd> ogra: one last question ... how do i change the sources for building the chroot? just as normal vi /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:03] <ogra> ltsp-build-client --help ;)
[11:03] <ogra> it has a --mirror option
[11:03] <skwashd> ok ... thanks
[11:04] <ogra> i.e. if you have a cd around it will speed up immensely to do:
[11:04] <ogra> mount /cdrom
[11:04] <skwashd> it is the live cd so it is mounted
[11:04] <ogra> sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom
[11:04] <skwashd> thanks
[11:04] <ogra> not sure it works like taht from the livecd though ... try it :)
[11:05] <pygi> I don't think it'll work from live cd ogra
[11:05] <ogra> pygi, if the liveCD has a /pool directory it *might* work :)
[11:05] <skwashd> yes it does!
[11:05] <ogra> all you need are the Packages/Release file and a /poll with packages
[11:05] <ogra> *pool
[11:06] <skwashd> hmmm no
[11:06] <skwashd> Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/powerpc mount -t proc proc /proc
[11:07] <skwashd> ah m,
[11:07] <skwashd> nm
[11:07] <pygi> skwashd: if livecd has /pool you can manually copy files to appropriate dir at disk
[11:07] <skwashd> i forgot to nfs mount
[11:07] <ogra> right :)
[11:07] <ogra> so it seems it will work with the liveCD
[11:07] <ogra> pygi, that wouldnt speed up much ...
[11:07] <pygi> right :)
[11:08] <skwashd> nope
[11:08] <skwashd> broke at the same place
[11:09] <ogra> hmm, seems the /proc mount doesnt like having nfs underneath it
[11:09] <skwashd> ogra: this is the first time i had choked there ... the other 2 times it worked fine
[11:10] <ogra> without specifying the --mirror option ? 
[11:11] <skwashd> hang on
[11:11] <skwashd> i will try in a minute
[11:11] <ogra> i know it works as described in the doc ... since i tested that ... but i never tried to use the cd i'm running from as mirror
[11:12] <ogra> oh, run "mount" please :)
[11:12] <ogra> might be that you still have a /proc mount in /opt/ltsp/powerpc
[11:12] <skwashd> ogra: what do you want from that ?
[11:12] <ogra> look for /proc :)
[11:13] <skwashd> nope only at /proc
[11:13] <ogra> if your first two times broke (one is indicated by not having a kernel, the second by not wiping the chroot)
[11:14] <skwashd> ogra: no .. the first time it broke cos it didn't get all the packages
[11:14] <ogra> chroot into /opt/ltsp/powerpc and check theer is no proc mounted
[11:14] <ogra> right
[11:14] <skwashd> the second time maybe i didn't remove the chroot
[11:14] <ogra> which results ain a broken chroot
[11:14] <ogra> its really important that it finishes properly
[11:14] <skwashd> can't run command /bin/bash
[11:14] <skwashd> so it won't chroot
[11:14] <ogra> and that the chroot dir is empty before you start
[11:15] <skwashd> time for a windoze trick
[11:15] <ogra> ok, but since you didnt see /opt/ltsp/powerpc/proc in your mount output, it should be fine
[11:15] <cbx33> ogra: patch is looking good
[11:15] <ogra> how many lines ? 
[11:15] <cbx33> 170
[11:15] <cbx33> :(
[11:15] <ogra> urgh
[11:15] <cbx33> it's taking a module from pessulus
[11:16] <cbx33> and writing some subclass
[11:16] <cbx33> to overwrite some functions in a special case
[11:16] <cbx33> it will not be shorter than that....
[11:16] <cbx33> infact chances are it will be a few lines longer
[11:16] <ogra> right, but thats quite huge 
[11:16] <cbx33> it's up to you
[11:16] <cbx33> I know
[11:16] <ogra> and its a new feature ...
[11:17] <cbx33> no, it's a bug fix for an old featuer
[11:17] <cbx33> and vuntz and seb128 wanted these changes remember
[11:17] <ogra> you are implementing it differently
[11:17] <cbx33> slightly yes
[11:17] <cbx33> it's your call
[11:17] <ogra> so it must be treated like a new feature ... its untested as well ...
[11:17] <ogra> i think i'll need to discuss it with mdz then ...
[11:18] <cbx33> well. .... I'm still gonna develop the patch
[11:18] <cbx33> no harm in having it done
[11:18] <ogra> right ... 
[11:18] <cbx33> I don't know what eles to say...I had it tested and working
[11:18] <cbx33> something has chnaged somewhere
[11:19] <cbx33> and when I tested the other day it was broken....it has taken me a little hwile to find the problem....I'm sorry
[11:19] <ogra> should be in a changelor somewhere :)
[11:19] <ogra> *changelog
[11:19] <cbx33> exactly ...somewhere
[11:19] <ogra> well, look at the packages involved :)
[11:19] <cbx33> I don;t have time 
[11:19] <cbx33> I must get this patch finished
[11:19] <ogra> can only be gconf or pessulus
[11:20] <cbx33> then you guys can decide if you can implement it or not
[11:20] <cbx33> if not, we should remove the lockdown feature from SCP - mandatory keys work....non-mandatory keys don;t
[11:20] <cbx33> so it's up to you
[11:20] <ogra> pessulus didnt change after your patch
[11:22] <ogra> well, and gconf didnt either
[11:23] <ogra> last version was from sept 3
[11:23] <cbx33> well....it must be my *&%^'d up coding
[11:23] <cbx33> :(
[11:23] <ogra> well, if it worked  ....
[11:23] <cbx33> and it did
[11:24] <ogra> right
[11:24] <cbx33> but if nothing has changed anywhere
[11:24] <cbx33> then it must have been a non-true test
[11:24] <cbx33> it doesn't really matter why it went wrong....I'm in the wrong so.....I'd better "go figure"
[11:44] <skwashd> ok --mirror file:///cdrom causes the proc problem
[12:19] <willvdl> ogra-thin? :)
[12:21] <TeePOG> ogra must have lost weight ^.^
[12:22] <ogra-thin> haha
[12:22] <ogra-thin> no, i'm happily logged in from a fresh install ...
[12:22] <TeePOG> ahhh
[12:22] <ogra-thin> no manual steps needed anymore ... ltsp out of the box with sound, localdev etc :)
[12:24] <TeePOG> mmmmkay... edgy?
[12:24] <TeePOG> my sound doesn't work
[12:25] <cbx33> ogra-thin: hey dude
[12:25] <cbx33> I have it fixed
[12:25] <cbx33> before I rigorously test it
[12:25] <cbx33> do you want to see the patch?
[12:26] <ogra-thin> finally sure, mail it :)
[12:26] <ogra-thin> huh ?
[12:26] <ogra-thin> i didnt type "finally" ...
[12:26] <cbx33> are you sure
[12:26] <ogra-thin> yes
[12:26] <cbx33> it was a freudian slip
[12:26] <cbx33> heheh I can tell
[12:26] <ogra-thin> xchat-gnome has its own life it seems
[12:26] <ogra-thin> very very weird 
[12:27] <ogra-thin> nah ;)
[12:27] <cbx33> your fingers did the rest ;)
[12:27] <cbx33> cheeky ;)
[12:27] <ogra-thin> i had the same in #ubuntu-devel
[12:27] <ogra-thin> it just swallowed half of my sentence ...
[12:27] <ogra-thin> instead of adding something 
[12:28] <ogra-thin> thisd install CD is starting to look quite sexy :D
[12:28] <ogra-thin> even my mother could install an ltsp environment now
[12:30] <cbx33> nice
[12:32] <cbx33> ogra-thin: I have just tested every scenario I can think of in gconf and it appears to have been totally fixed
[12:32] <cbx33> because my change to pessulus is patch already, how do you want it so you can view it?
[12:33] <cbx33> how does one reverse a patch?
[12:33] <skwashd> i have worked out the proc problem
[12:34] <skwashd>  /proc doesn't exist in the chroot
[12:34] <ogra-thin> cbx33: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[12:34] <ogra-thin> skwashd: you mean teh mountpoint ?
[12:34] <ogra-thin> that cant be ... 
[12:34] <ogra-thin> its created by debootstrap
[12:35] <cbx33> ok ogra-thin 
[12:35] <skwashd> ogra-thin: yes
[12:35] <skwashd> that is what i thought too
[12:36] <skwashd> but it isn't being created
[12:36] <ogra-thin> i'll check that after beta release (need to set up a dapper machine anyway)
[12:40] <cbx33> ogra-thin: sorry just quick - what was that command to do the patchs where it creates a copy of the source so you can modify it?
[12:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> someone pinged me?
[12:40] <ogra-thin> cbx33: dpatch-edit-patch or cdbs-edit-patch ?
[12:41] <cbx33> t5hnks
[12:41] <ogra-thin> (depending on the patch system you add to the package)
[12:41] <cbx33> my problem is my patch needs to be an update to a patch alredy inside the system
[12:42] <cbx33> so that won't work...
[12:42] <ogra-thin> choose a higher number for it
[12:42] <cbx33> you can't patch patches
[12:42] <cbx33> casn you
[12:42] <ogra-thin> sure
[12:42] <cbx33> well you shouldn't, should you
[12:43] <ogra-thin> thats how the -edit-patch commans work 
[12:43] <cbx33> but....oh wouldn't it be better to strip out my patch and build it from scratch - so it contained al the changes?
[12:43] <ogra-thin> they apply all patches with a lower numbering or a higher place in 00list (for dpatch)
[12:43] <ogra-thin> then they create a chroot for the pacvkage where yoiu can edit
[12:59] <skwashd> i have been playing some more
[01:00] <skwashd> when running "sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/powerpc mount -t proc proc /proc" manually i get
[01:00] <skwashd> chroot: cannot run command `mount': No such file or directory
[01:01] <cbx33> ogra: patch seems to apply cleanly
[01:03] <ogra> skwashd, running from the liveCD ?
[01:04] <skwashd> ogra: yeag
[01:04] <skwashd> yeah
[01:04] <skwashd> ogra: same before and after failed install
[01:07] <ogra> if you chroot into it, can you see /bin/mount ? 
[01:10] <skwashd> ogra: /bin doesn't exist
[01:11] <ogra> are you sure you exported /opt/ltsp in rw ?
[01:14] <skwashd> ogra: yes ... and i can do what i want with the mounted dir
[01:16] <cbx33> hi rodarvus 
[01:16] <rodarvus> good morning
[01:16] <rodarvus> hi cbx33!
[01:25] <skwashd> ogra: should i just install onto the local hdd ... then mount /opt/tlsp and copy the chroot over ?
[01:32] <cbx33> ogra: just pbuilding if that is successful I'll send you the file to take a look
[01:34] <ogra> skwashd, thats a way you can do it as well indeed
[01:35] <skwashd> ogra: thanks for all of your help
[01:35] <skwashd> i think i will leave it until tomorrow
[01:35] <ogra> ok
[01:35] <skwashd> and maybe with edgy :)
[01:36] <cbx33> ogra: sent
[01:37] <ogra> thanks
[01:46] <cbx33> ogra: it works - just tested
[01:46] <cbx33> :D
[01:49] <cbx33> I just locked someone out of printing
[01:51] <ogra> urgh
[01:52] <ogra> cbx33, your patch is to pessulus, not to SCP ?
[01:52] <cbx33> yes
[01:52] <cbx33> i did say that
[01:52] <ogra> that means you need to getit past seb128 
[01:52] <cbx33> ok
[01:52] <cbx33> I'll go talk to him now
[01:52] <ogra> i'm not sure he'll approve such a big change at all
[01:53] <cbx33> no me neither
[01:53] <cbx33> but all I can do is to try
[01:54] <ogra> right
[01:56] <cbx33> I'm trying now
[02:01] <cbx33> ogra: I have good news and bad news
[02:01] <ogra> shoot
[02:01] <cbx33> he is willing to and will probably apply the patch without a problem
[02:01] <cbx33> just after beta ;)
[02:01] <ogra> thats fine
[02:02] <ogra> whats the bad news ?
[02:02] <cbx33> ehehe
[02:02] <cbx33> there is none....
[02:02] <cbx33> apart from my head almost exploded yestereday
[02:02] <ogra> even better :)
[02:02] <cbx33> the bad news was after beta ;)
[02:02] <cbx33> I'll get the scp patch ready
[02:02] <ogra> before release is always good news ;)
[02:03] <ogra> i dont care about beta knot or what 
[02:03] <cbx33> hehe
[02:05] <cbx33> I'm so relieved
[02:05] <ogra> - X cursor in gdm/ldm
[02:05] <ogra> - usplash 640x480 theme
[02:05] <ogra> - SCP fixes
[02:05] <ogra> - usplash progressbar handling in ltsp
[02:05] <ogra> thats my todo list before release
[02:05] <cbx33> ok cool
[02:05] <cbx33> SCP fixes should be minimal now
[02:05] <ogra> not really much :)
[02:05] <cbx33> no....
[02:14] <cbx33> ogra: how do i make a bug edgy milestone?
[02:14] <cbx33> in LP?
[02:14] <cbx33> ogra: did you want me to create that 640x480 file for you tonight?
[02:16] <ogra> cbx33, it can wait until after beta
[02:19] <cbx33> ok
[02:22] <cbx33> is willow all sorted now?
[02:25] <mario> ogra, how stable is our today's daily cd?
[02:25] <cbx33> hey mario 
[02:25] <mario> hey cbx33 :)
[02:25] <cbx33> should be pretty close to beta
[02:25] <mario> I know that :)
[02:26] <RichEd> hey mario :)
[02:26] <mario> hello RichEd :P
[02:26] <mario> ehm, I'll just download the cd ;p
[02:27] <mario> hm, or no, I'd rather not mess something on this machine anymore :)
[02:27] <mario> what are you upto RichEd ? :)
[02:28] <ogra> mario, there is one breakage in cupsys that prevents the install from finishing
[02:28] <ogra> apart from that its ready for beta
[02:29] <mario> k, thanks ogra :)
[02:29] <RichEd> mario: identifying typical user profiles, target needs, and priorities - the community needs profiling exercise
[02:31] <cbx33> RichEd: oooh hows that going
[02:31] <cbx33> has will gotten any further with ESA?
[02:31] <cbx33> ogra: looks as though some of hte pessulus locking may not work with the changes to the applets! 
[02:32] <cbx33> but that is unconfirmed...i tried to lockout the clock but it didn't work...however save to disk was locked out fine
[02:39] <cbx33> ogra: I sent you an email containing the minor change to SCP
[02:39] <cbx33> keep until you need it ;)
[02:39] <RichEd> cbx33: will need to check it out ... willvdl is on travels to Johannesburg for NEPAD eSchools meetings
[02:39] <cbx33> ahhh
[02:42] <ogra> cbx33, the SCP patch is fine
[02:43] <pygi> cbx33, what's the status with your mobile network?
[02:43] <cbx33> gonna ring them in a second ;)
[02:43] <cbx33> ogra: cool
[02:52] <ogra> Amaranth_, pong
[02:53] <Amaranth> ogra: PM?
[02:54] <ogra> sure
[02:56] <RichEd> cbx33: the good news is as follows : Christina was working on these last week, we should have some case studies by Wednesday.
[02:57] <RichEd> cbx33: from ChrisK ... Christina is the new Marketing under Chris, and Will is working with her on ESA ... so they have their 1st tangible deliverable ... and that is what we are piggy backing off
[03:13] <lguerra> RichEd: hi, please #VSEE
[03:23] <ogra> oh
[03:28] <cbx33> ogra: oop
[03:28] <cbx33> what is it?
[03:29] <ogra> a really evil one ...
[03:29] <cbx33> yikes what?
[03:29] <ogra> i forgot to update the little screenshot for the preview of the gdm theme 
[03:29] <cbx33> heh
[03:29] <ogra> oh, that reminds me 
[03:31] <ogra> no, they look fine
[03:36] <cbx33> ogra: didn't you say you were going to use one of the wallpapers we did for the gdm screen?
[03:36] <cbx33> just curious I remembered something yousaid the other day
[03:36] <ogra> cbx33, yes, but that was to loaded, i tried it
[03:36] <cbx33> ok np
[03:36] <cbx33> ;)
[03:36] <ogra> i wanted to use the one with the photo in the background initially
[03:36] <cbx33> ahhh
[03:37] <ogra> we can still make chages after beta i guess :)
[03:37] <cbx33> ;)
[03:37] <ogra> try making a suitable gdm theme if you want ... i'm totally not bund to my quick hack 
[03:37] <cbx33> ok
[03:37] <ogra> i just wanted some quick consistency
[03:38] <cbx33> yeh a good plan
[03:38] <ogra> the gnome splash could als need a slightly bit more red in its yellow i think
[03:38] <cbx33> yes
[03:38] <ogra> its a bit to "lemon" for the rest
[03:38] <cbx33> we can work on that
[03:38] <willvdl> highvoltage, ping
[03:38] <cbx33> lisa is busy on the edubuntu handbook cover at the mo
[03:38] <cbx33> hi willvdl 
[03:38] <ogra> yep
[03:39] <willvdl> hey cbx33
[03:39] <ogra> cbx33, i can live with what we have so if it puts any pressure on you or lisa, dont do it ... there are more important things to fix we'll find after beta i guess
[03:40] <cbx33> ogra: heh dude it's fine
[03:42] <highvoltage> willvdl: pong, although I'm at an internet cafe in stb and might respnd slowly
[03:43] <willvdl> ah. lekker :)
[03:43] <willvdl> Java Cafe no doubt...
[03:43] <highvoltage> yes :)
[03:43] <pygi> hey highvoltage 
[03:43] <highvoltage> are you psykick or something!?
[03:44] <highvoltage> hey py	
[03:44] <highvoltage> hi pygi
[03:44] <willvdl> just want to see if you have a public copy of xola on the internot
[03:45] <highvoltage> i think I might have a slightly older version somewhere... let me check...
[03:45] <highvoltage> willvdl: pvt msg
[03:50] <willvdl> not psykick, just following you :P
[03:52] <ogra> BOOOO
[03:52] <rodarvus> O_O
[03:54] <willvdl> oi, who's following who here?
[03:55] <cbx33> BANG !
[03:56] <cbx33> pygi: oh dear
[04:00] <pygi> hey Amaranth 
[04:00] <Amaranth> hey
[04:03] <cbx33> hi Amaranth 
[04:03] <Amaranth> hey cbx33
[04:05] <willvdl> ok, gotto go again. ciao
[04:06] <Amaranth> d'oh, have to reboot to windows
[04:06] <Amaranth> back later
[04:11] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:12] <pygi> hey sbalneav :)
[04:12] <sbalneav> Hello pygi 
[04:12] <cbx33> hi sbalneav 
[04:12] <sbalneav> Hello cbx33 
[04:12] <pygi> sbalneav, how do we stand with iscsi knowledge?:)
[04:14] <sbalneav> I haven't had much chance to deal with it, I've been dealing with this : 
[04:14] <sbalneav> http://news.linux.com/news/06/09/21/233234.shtml?tid=47&tid=115&tid=96
[04:14] <sbalneav> We've been very busy the last 2-3 weeks :)
[04:17] <pygi> sbalneav, oki, but we do need to learn some more then we currently know about it :P
[04:17] <sbalneav> Dude, I'm dancing as fast as I can :)
[04:17] <pygi> Don't worry :)
[04:18] <pygi> we still have time ;)
[04:18] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[04:28] <RichEd> hey jsgotangco , sbalneav :)
[04:28] <jsgotangco> hey dude
[04:28] <jsgotangco> just did a demo on LTSP, Ubuntu and Edubuntu today
[04:28] <jsgotangco> a hundred people showed up
[04:29] <cbx33> jsgotangco: WOW
[04:29] <RichEd> jsgotangco: my main man :) company internal demo ?
[04:29] <cbx33> nice one
[04:29] <sbalneav> Hello RichEd 
[04:31] <RichEd> sbalneav: nice news article ... just loaded it
[04:31] <jsgotangco> RichEd: no www.philosc.com
[04:33] <lguerra> jsgotangco: strong blow to microsoft :P
[04:34] <ogra> RichEd, not really
[04:34] <RichEd> ogra ??
[04:34] <ogra> its a very bad article imho
[04:35] <ogra> claiming that we forked but not mentioning that 5.0 will be based on this work
[04:35] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:35] <RichEd> jsgotangco: willvdl meets with Mindset thursday 2 different meetings ... NEPAD agenda - no direct link to you as yet ... but relationship now moving from virtual to real life 
[04:35] <jsgotangco> ahh cool
[04:35] <jsgotangco> gina would be flying to new york tomorrow and meet the dalai lama jeez
[04:36] <ogra> RichEd, whiprush read the first version of it aloud in jammcq's office while he was there and it was quite a different article back then
[04:36] <jsgotangco> the perception now is that ubuntu *forked*
[04:36] <ogra> it puts us in a very bad light ...
[04:36] <ogra> jsgotangco, right 
[04:37] <RichEd> let me re-read that ... 
[04:37] <ogra> which is about right ... we did fork, but with the target to merge back which isnt mentioned
[04:38] <jsgotangco> ogra: well we did fork, with upstream's knowledge...
[04:38] <ogra> and support ...
[04:41] <bddebian> Heya
[04:42] <pygi> hey bddebian 
[04:42] <bddebian> Heya pygi
[04:42] <RichEd> ... and the ultimate impression that is left is that we are a strong part of the solution.
[05:00] <sbalneav> It was never a fork: it was the first implementation of the muekow spec.  We had the spec out in Feb/March, and UDU was in Apr.  Anyone who says it was a fork is talking out some orifice other than his/her mouth :)
[05:01] <pygi> sbalneav, :)
[05:01] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: people who say those things have no idea really
[05:02] <RichEd> hey sbalneav & ogra ... why not post a comment with some clarity ?
[05:02] <jsgotangco> jim's slides always say that Ubuntu was the first implementation of the spec
[05:02] <pygi> jsgotangco, but they think they know everything, ... :)
[05:02] <RichEd> (to the news page I mean ... not here)
[05:02] <sbalneav> I did, if you'll look at the linux.com article :)
[05:02] <jsgotangco> pygi: that's why i hardly read linux news ;)
[05:02] <ogra> RichEd, i asked jorge to add a link to http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
[05:02] <jsgotangco> pygi: most people who reply just make it a pissing contest
[05:02] <ogra> but it didnt happen yet
[05:02] <pygi> jsgotangco, heh, indeed
[05:03] <sbalneav> Or is this a different pacge from the one on linux.com?
[05:03] <ogra> nope
[05:03] <RichEd> or if you would like to send me "an accurate version, I am happy to post it under my name ?"
[05:03] <ogra> its there
[05:03] <ogra> thanks btw
[05:03] <ogra> RichEd, realy just a link to upsteams words on the ltsp5 page says it all 
[05:03] <ogra> *really
[05:05] <RichEd> ogra: point taken, but not everyone will follow the link ... something light & fluffy may be better: "there has been co-operation with LTSP for many years, and the relationships have always been built with a single future in mind ..." wadda wadda etc.
[05:05] <ogra> yep
[05:05] <jsgotangco> let's just not loose sleep over one troll ;)
[05:06] <RichEd> and then one line clearing up the "deliberate fork" vs "planned intermediate phase"
[05:09] <ogra> jsgotangco, i'm over it so far ... had my bad moments after i came out though ... i'l ask whiprush why its so different to what he read aloud next time we meet ...
[05:11] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:11] <jsgotangco> he probably got sooo excited
[05:12] <ogra> probably it just got edited by a SuSE using linux.com editor ... who knows
[05:13] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:32] <cbx33> hi guys anyone know how I install the msttcorefonts pacakge
[06:33] <cbx33> it doesn;t exist in dapper anymore
[06:33] <cbx33> :S
[06:35] <Amaranth> !msttcorefonts
[06:35] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.2ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 164 kB
[06:36] <Amaranth> multiverse :)
[06:38] <cbx33> ahhhh
[06:39] <cbx33> nope doesn't seen to be there either
[06:39] <Amaranth> ubotu disagrees :)
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about disagrees :) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <Amaranth> stupid bot...
[06:40] <cbx33> indeed it is
[07:05] <LaserJock> cbx33!
[07:26] <RichEd> LaserJock: mr spectroscopy !
[07:26] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:27] <RichEd> Just in time to say hi & bye ... have to feed the next generation.
[07:27] <RichEd> Later all.
[07:28] <LaserJock> hi!
[07:28] <LaserJock> bye!
[07:29] <cbx33> LaserJock, 
[07:42] <cbx33> LaserJock, if I have a pacakge in two different repos
[07:42] <cbx33> how do I for one version over the other?
[07:43] <LaserJock> same version on both?
[07:43] <cbx33> no
[07:43] <cbx33> it's wine
[07:43] <cbx33> I want the winehq version
[07:43] <cbx33> not the version in universe
[07:43] <cbx33> but it keeps picking up the universe version in apt-get
[07:44] <LaserJock> so did you install the winehq version?
[07:44] <cbx33> no
[07:44] <cbx33> I want to
[07:44] <cbx33> if I go apt-cache show wine
[07:44] <cbx33> it shows the universe one
[07:45] <LaserJock> sure
[07:45] <cbx33> how can i tell it to use the winehq version
[07:45] <LaserJock> are you adding a winehq repo?
[07:45] <cbx33> yes
[07:45] <cbx33> iut is added
[07:45] <LaserJock> oh, well I wouldn't hve done that but ... ;-)
[07:45] <cbx33> I can remoev it
[07:45] <LaserJock> you only need a couple .debs right?
[07:45] <cbx33> but if there are dev versions of theirs apt would make it easier to remove
[07:45] <cbx33> yes
[07:46] <LaserJock> just grab the .debs you need and use gdebi
[07:46] <LaserJock> or dpkg
[07:47] <cbx33> can i do it with apt
[07:47] <cbx33> to handle the deps?
[07:47] <LaserJock> nope
[07:47] <LaserJock> gdebi will do it
[07:47] <LaserJock> or do dpkg -i and then apt-get -f install
[07:47] <LaserJock> easy as pie ;-)
[07:47] <cbx33> ok
[07:48] <LaserJock> you learn all kinds of things to do with .debs ;-)
[07:48] <cbx33> I use debs a lot
[07:48] <cbx33> just the dependencies I'm not sure about
[07:48] <cbx33> gdebi ?
[07:48] <cbx33> what does that do
[07:48] <LaserJock> arggg
[07:49] <LaserJock> gdebi is a graphical .deb installer that does dependencies
[07:49] <LaserJock> it's exactly what you want
[07:50] <cbx33> cool
[07:50] <cbx33> thankx buddy
[07:50] <cbx33> sorry for being frustrating
[07:50] <LaserJock> np
[07:50] <LaserJock> haha
[07:51] <LaserJock> you aren't frustrating
[07:52] <cbx33> u sure ? :p
[07:52] <LaserJock> of course
[07:52] <cbx33> heh
[07:59] <cbx33> w00t
[07:59] <cbx33> it worked ;)
[07:59] <cbx33> one step closer to HL2 on linux ;)
[08:02] <sbalneav> mutt
[08:02] <sbalneav> Hmmm, starting your mail client works better when you do it in a terminal, as opposed to an irc channel.
[08:03] <cbx33> sbalneav, mostly yes ;)
[08:04] <pygi> cbx33, told you to stop telling people you are frustrating others, and stuff :P
[08:07] <cbx33> brb
[09:04] <Petaris> Is there anyway to force the clients to use a certain resolution?
[09:04] <Petaris> setting it in lts.conf didn't seem to work
[09:05] <Petaris> X_MODE_0=1024x768 is what I have in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[09:06] <Petaris> or should I set it in the xorg.conf file in the chroot
[09:07] <Petaris> from what I have ready setting it in lts.conf should have worked
[09:07] <ogra> i'm not really here until the meeting, but use the right X_HORZSYNC X_VERTREFRESH values, ubuntus X server doesnt accept X_MODE settings 
[09:08] <Petaris> thanks
[09:20] <Petaris> hrm
[09:21] <Petaris> it seems that if I ues X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH I will have to set it for each monitor, as all my monitors are different
[09:21] <Petaris> that seems like a lot of work for what should be very simple to do
[09:22] <Petaris> Just out of curiosity, does anyone know why X_MODE_0 is not supported?
[10:03] <rodarvus> cbx33, did you ping ogra already?
[10:04] <rodarvus> TB meeting is starting *now*
[10:04] <pygi> ping ogra, it's meeting time :)
[10:05] <cbx33> rodarvus, no
[10:05] <cbx33> I have my 3 liner
[10:05] <rodarvus> from ogra?
[10:05] <cbx33> no my intro
[10:06] <cbx33> ping ping ping ogra
[10:06] <cbx33> alert alert ;)
[10:08] <ogra> pong pong pong :)
[10:08] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:35] <LaserJock> lip
[10:36] <pygi> LaserJock, :P
[10:37] <LaserJock> argg
[10:37] <LaserJock> the suspense is killing me ;-)
[10:38] <pygi> lol :)
[10:39] <LaserJock> holy cow!!!!
[10:39] <LaserJock> \o/
[10:39] <rodarvus> Hooray!
[10:39] <pygi> congrats cbx33 :)
[10:39] <ogra> YAY !!!
[10:39] <rodarvus> Applaud our newest MOTU: cbx33!
[10:39] <ogra> PARTY !
[10:39] <pygi> :-D
[10:39] <rodarvus> *cheers*
[10:39] <cbx33> woohooo
[10:39] <cbx33> that was scary
[10:39] <LaserJock> heh
[10:40] <rodarvus> cbx33, now get back to work!
[10:40] <rodarvus> :)
[10:40] <LaserJock> heh
[10:40] <cbx33> sorry rodarvus 
[10:41] <cbx33> my fingers are hurting
[10:41] <rodarvus> next target, core-dev, for you and LaserJock!
[10:41] <LaserJock> well, what needs to be done now for Edubuntu?
[10:41] <cbx33> rodarvus, I hope so
[10:41] <LaserJock> unfortunately I didn't have enough time to put together all the metapackages I wanted to do
[10:41] <pygi> rodarvus, what about me as MOTU? :P
[10:41] <LaserJock> I think for Edgy+1 cbx33 and I should work on those
[10:42] <rodarvus> pygi, what are you waiting for? :)
[10:42] <cbx33> LaserJock, sounds good
[10:42] <pygi> rodarvus, somebody signing my keys ? :)
[10:42] <rodarvus> oh
[10:43] <pygi> I would have applied much earlier if I just could get the keys signed
[10:43] <rodarvus> pygi, you live in Croatia, right?
[10:44] <pygi> rodarvus, right
[10:44] <pygi> so might take me a while to become MOTU :)
[10:45] <rodarvus> there are no developers living near your country?
[10:45] <pygi> rodarvus, Hopefully raphink and Jani can sign my keys on Ubuntu Conference in Hungary next month
[10:45] <rodarvus> right, I was thinking about Jani
[10:46] <pygi> that's still too far tho :P *the conference time :P*
[10:46] <rodarvus> actually, I was researching the distance from Croatia to Romania in Google a few seconds ago :D
[10:46] <pygi> rodarvus, he's coming to Hungary to a conference
[10:46] <pygi> I'm presenting the Edubuntu, he's presenting Xubuntu, and raphink is presenting Kubuntu
[10:46] <rodarvus> nice
[10:47] <pygi> of those three people, I'm the only one useless :)
[10:47] <rodarvus> when is this conference going to happen?
[10:47] <pygi> rodarvus, October 28 if I'm not mistaken
[10:47] <rodarvus> pygi, dude, you're not useless.
[10:47] <rodarvus> I forbid you saying that
[10:47] <pygi> lol :P
[10:48] <LaserJock> soooo
[10:48] <pygi> the trouble is the conf. is in Budapest, and there are riots there right now :)
[10:48] <LaserJock> what do you think of Keybucks new suggestion for Edgy+1
[10:48] <pygi> cbx33, you too what? be shhh :)
[10:48] <rodarvus> "keybucks" :)
[10:49] <LaserJock> Keybuk's
[10:49] <rodarvus> LaserJock, I'm kidding ;)
[10:49] <LaserJock> stupid english
[10:49] <cbx33> brb
[10:49] <rodarvus> to be sincere, I mostly agree with him
[10:49] <rodarvus> about time we have default install on DVD media
[10:49] <LaserJock> I was agreeing with him until somebody mentioned the UWN
[10:50] <rodarvus> alternate cd can be kept on cd media, but its *alternate*
[10:50] <LaserJock> that said janes said that Edgy will not have shipit
[10:50] <LaserJock> or edgy won't be available on shipit rather
[10:50] <ogra> it will
[10:50] <ogra> but only for LUGs
[10:50] <ogra> and for payment
[10:51] <LaserJock> ah
[10:51] <ogra> dapper will still stay free via shipit
[10:51] <LaserJock> well
[10:51] <cbx33> no shipit for edgy?
[10:51] <ogra> for everyone
[10:51] <cbx33> for anything?
[10:51] <ogra> nope
[10:51] <ogra> sadly not
[10:51] <LaserJock> my idea that DVDs would probably be ok if you could get them from shipit
[10:51] <cbx33> you're kidding
[10:51] <ogra> nope
[10:51] <ogra> only paied orders for LUGs
[10:51] <cbx33> is there a reason y?
[10:52] <ogra> LTS
[10:52] <LaserJock> it's expensive and they want to promot LTS
[10:52] <ogra> dapper is the long term support thing
[10:52] <cbx33> ah
[10:52] <cbx33> so will edgy + 1 have shipit
[10:52] <ogra> its a marketig decision ... we need to handle the costs 
[10:52] <rodarvus> cbx33, this is largely undecided
[10:52] <LaserJock> well
[10:52] <pygi> ogra, is there anything else I should think of for edgy+1 except the local burning drives support?
[10:52] <rodarvus> even edgy position on shipit is not final, as far as I know
[10:53] <rodarvus> (or not publicly final, at least)
[10:53] <LaserJock> well UWN final
[10:53] <ogra> pygi, how to make the world accept 800MB media as default ? 
[10:53] <LaserJock> I just don't see how 1 cd is going to work for us or Ubuntu or Edubuntu even
[10:53] <LaserJock> s/Edubuntu/Kubuntu/
[10:54] <pygi> ogra, that is not in my powers, sorry :) Next thing? :)
[10:54] <rodarvus> LaserJock, shipit is sponsored by canonical, afaik UWN is not written by a Canonical employee. (but I don't know who gave the shipit information to whoever published it into UWN, so take my comment with a grain of salt)
[10:54] <ogra> now that edubuntu is fine with the technical infrastructure we'll need to focus on apps ... thats will get hard with the CD limits we have
[10:54] <LaserJock> rodarvus: well, apparently janes
[10:55] <LaserJock> but I know what you're saying
[10:55] <pygi> ogra, was thinking about (if that's possible) slowly starting to fire off edu-applications development
[10:55] <ogra> rodarvus, jane did, but not as an official note yet
[10:55] <ogra> pygi, dont hold back then :)
[10:55] <cbx33> pygi, totally
[10:55] <LaserJock> ogra: I think especially since we have mixed targets, preschool, elementary, high-school/uni
[10:55] <cbx33> I'm working on gallium
[10:55] <ogra> right
[10:56] <LaserJock> they are all educational settings
[10:56] <pygi> cbx33, I know that, but you working alone on that or?
[10:56] <LaserJock> but they need vastly different apps once you get outside the infrastructure
[10:56] <pygi> cbx33, and gallium is part of solution, but not entire solution
[10:56] <ogra> right 
[10:56] <ogra> gallium is only a part of a set iof apps we'll need
[10:56] <LaserJock> that's where I though metapackages/add-on cds would be good
[10:56] <LaserJock> *thought
[10:57] <rodarvus> how is gallium coming, btw?
[10:57] <LaserJock> ah well
[10:57] <ogra> but they dont need to be ready tomorrow and everyone should work for the fun of it ;)
[10:57] <rodarvus> do you have recent screenshots, or implemented features, etc?
[10:57] <rodarvus> ... list of implemented features ...
[10:57] <LaserJock> not yet
[10:57] <pygi> ogra, it's not only about replacing kEdu, it's about creating new apps
[10:57] <ogra> right
[10:57] <LaserJock> rodarvus: it kinda stalled as Edgy freeze drew near ;-)
[10:57] <pygi> ogra, and if I'm not mistaken Scribus is QT...if we get rid of KEdu, will we just drop Scribus?
[10:58] <ogra> scribus is no KDE app
[10:58] <LaserJock> it needs much fewer libs
[10:58] <ogra> why should we drop it :)
[10:58] <ogra> its the best we have for DTP
[10:58] <pygi> oh, I thought it was written using QT?
[10:58] <pygi> well, indeed :)
[10:58] <LaserJock> QT != KDE
[10:58] <pygi> LaserJock, ofcourse :)
[10:58] <ogra> i'm not opposed to have apps aboard we can ship without having the CD explode
[10:58] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:59] <pygi> which will more and more become a problem
[10:59] <pygi> especially if we can really produce set of usable apps
[10:59] <ogra> i wouldnt even oppose kdeedu if we had the space
[10:59] <ogra> its a good set of apps
[10:59] <LaserJock> it is for sure
[11:00] <pygi> I really hope we can pull that local burning devices support for edgy+1
[11:00] <pygi> that would be a good feature
[11:00] <ogra> yeah
[11:00] <ogra> totally
[11:01] <pygi> ogra, does anyone currently have that? 
[11:01] <ogra> i have three big things on my edgy+1 todo atm ....
[11:01] <pygi> Wouldn't say so...
[11:01] <pygi> which are? :)
[11:01] <ogra> - ldap/kerberos server in edubuntu
[11:01] <ogra> - cd writing on ltsp
[11:01] <ogra> - mic input support in ltsp
[11:02] <pygi> add the 4th:
[11:02] <ogra> but thats my personal todo .. 
[11:02] <ogra> it usually changes after the conf ;)
[11:02] <pygi> - make pygi more familiar with ltsp codebase 
[11:02] <ogra> right
[11:02] <pygi> that would be helpful to me, and probably in the future to you also
[11:02] <ogra> but sbalneav will also help here ... thats not a one man show anymore ;)
[11:03] <ogra> (help explaining the codebase i mean)
[11:03] <pygi> I know, but I'll still need help :)
[11:03] <pygi> right, right :)
[11:04] <pygi> kk
[11:04] <LaserJock> well, I don't want to do ltsp stuff
[11:04] <LaserJock> I think I'll leave that to the masters
[11:04] <pygi> LaserJock, :)
[11:05] <LaserJock> I'd like to work on the non-LTSP apps
[11:09] <pygi> LaserJock, nice :)
[11:25] <pygi> hey mhz 
[11:25] <mhz> pygi: hey there mon
[11:30] <LaserJock> hi mhz 
[11:31] <mhz> LaserJock: hi there too
[11:38] <mhz> LaserJock: have you been following Fluxbuntu development?
[11:39] <LaserJock> not a lot
[11:39] <LaserJock> how's it going?
[11:39] <LaserJock> doh
[11:40] <LaserJock> I've been talking to a (the?) Fluxubuntu guy in -motu
[11:40] <mhz> heheheheh
[11:40] <mhz> that happens
[11:40] <pygi> :)
[11:40] <LaserJock> I was thinking you were talking about the ebuntu
[11:40] <LaserJock> enlightenment+ubuntu
[11:41] <pygi> Enlightment is quite good, I tried it few days ago (e17)
[11:41] <pygi> tho gtk apps look ugly in there
[11:41] <cbx33> ebuntu
[11:41] <cbx33> is it any good?
[11:41] <LaserJock> yeah, it's a beastly moving target to package most of the time though
[11:41] <pygi> cbx33: ebuntu?
[11:41] <pygi> :P
[11:41] <pygi> LaserJock: I know
[11:41] <LaserJock> well cbx33, I'll put it this way. It was made from checkinstalled .debs
[11:41] <cbx33> :S
[11:42] <LaserJock> we (a few of us in -motu) tried to get the guy to work on source packages, but I think it was beyond him :/
[11:42] <cbx33> :(
[11:43] <pygi> no point before it's stable I guess
[11:43] <LaserJock> anyway, hopefully soon fluxubuntu will be done through Universe
[11:43] <LaserJock> and hopefully mubuntu too
[11:43] <cbx33> cool
[11:43] <pygi> LaserJock: what would "mubuntu" be?
[11:43] <cbx33> yes mubuntu looks cool
[11:43] <LaserJock> Multimedia Ubuntu
[11:43] <pygi> oh, where can I read more about that?
[11:44] <LaserJock> I did some "convincing" today
[11:44] <cbx33> LaserJock, ?
[11:44] <LaserJock> Ubuntu-Studio.com or some such
[11:44] <LaserJock> cbx33: one of the mubuntu guys was going to make a Automatix-like program to do it
[11:44] <cbx33> cool
[11:44] <LaserJock> so I had a talk with them
[11:45] <pygi> LaserJock: o, no, just not automatix!!!
[11:45] <LaserJock> so now they are going to work on metapackages
[11:49] <mhz> LaserJock: well, joejaxx will work on Fluxbox Education Edition too (upon request)
[11:49] <mhz> :)
[11:49] <LaserJock> oh really?
[11:50] <mhz> yup
[11:50] <LaserJock> interesting
[11:50] <mhz> just a matter or weeks to see Fluxbuntu Education Edition
[11:50] <mhz> but..
[11:50] <mhz> 1st version will be Live install version
[11:50] <LaserJock> heh
[11:51] <mhz> 2nd version will give you the chance to just install or boot in live mode
[11:52] <mhz> LaserJock: one thing that caught my attention thoug, is that joejaxx says "don't know how/why but Fluxbuntu does auto update menus after new apps installs"
[11:53] <LaserJock> ?
[11:55] <mhz> afaik, one of the reasons why ogra does not recommends using fluxbux or wmaker or any other desktop for 'light version of edubuntu' is that many do not comply with freedesktop standards (ie updating menus)
[12:02] <LaserJock> well
[12:02] <LaserJock> that's an interesting thought
[12:06] <mhz> hehehe
[12:06] <mhz> LaserJock: hehe, yes, but for joejaxx Fluxbuntu is updating menus, while my fluxbox running on top of Edubuntu does not
[12:07] <mhz> is not
[12:07] <mhz> ..grammar!
[12:07] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:07] <LaserJock> that sounds fishy to me
[12:12] <mhz> LaserJock: what's the status of your "menu" work?
[12:12] <LaserJock> heh
[12:12] <LaserJock> well, it was uploaded
[12:13] <LaserJock> it went through source NEW
[12:13] <mhz> cool!!
[12:13] <LaserJock> and is now waiting in binary NEW before going to the archives
[12:13] <mhz> LaserJock: is the explanation to what you did on wiki?
[12:14] <LaserJock> mhz: on the spec page yes
[12:14] <mhz> thx
[12:14] <LaserJock> wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDynamicMenus