=== knixtech [n=stormcha@c-68-46-42-70.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [n=crimsun@dargo.trilug.org] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [01:36] Heya === mhz [n=mhz@129-24-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === de_wizze [n=ogarro@nat-8.msm.edu] has joined #edubuntu [02:49] moin [02:51] Heya mhz [02:51] hey bddebian [03:07] is there any Controloula work-a-like in (ed)ubuntu ? The idea is perfect but it seems to be only available unofficially from Linex. === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu [03:24] de_wizze: what does it do? I've heard of it [03:26] http://www.gfiles.org/gtk/download/controlaula/822/ [03:27] its the closest thing that I have seen to a reasonable Remote Desktop Management console so far [03:27] de_wizze: edubuntu has student-control-panel [03:27] for ltsp [03:27] GUI based any way [03:29] ok [03:29] I'll check it out .. === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === de_wizze [n=ogarro@nat-8.msm.edu] has left #edubuntu [] === bash [n=olmosbas@pc-40-11-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === skwashd [n=skwashd@phpgroupware/skwashd] has joined #edubuntu [04:23] hi all [04:23] i am working my way through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup [04:23] and i am almost at the end ... yay! [04:24] i haven't been able to find out what is meant by "Note that powerpc clients need some special options in the servers dhcp setup. " at the bottom of that doc [04:24] anyone able to offer some hints? [04:24] i am running a PIII server with a G3 client === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.41.228.162] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [06:19] ogra: ping === th1a_ [n=th1a@pool-70-109-199-148.prov.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === skwashd [n=skwashd@phpgroupware/skwashd] has left #edubuntu ["tia"] === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.41.228.162] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === TeePOG [n=arno@196.211.231.162] has joined #edubuntu [08:11] morning all === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ is now known as bimberi === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [08:24] Kamping_Kaiser: g'day mate [08:24] ogra, hi [08:25] hi nixternal, Burgundavia === TeePOG is back, with coffee ^.^ === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [08:32] hiya TeePOG [08:34] how goes it nixternal? [08:34] somehow, it continues going ;) [08:34] tr00 [08:35] coffee helps [08:35] not at 1:30 am ;) [08:35] sleep helps now ;) [08:37] sheesh, sure... it's 08:40 here now [08:39] i'm 15 minutes from finishing Knoppix 5 DVD from torrent ^.^ === cbx33 [n=pete@89.192.2.24] has joined #edubuntu [08:47] I think I have it :) [08:47] I have fixed the pessulus bug [08:48] ogra: the workaround I created originally actually now breaks it [08:48] so I've removed it, and pending some rigorous testing later today it works ;) [08:49] w00t [08:50] how is everyone this morning? Hmmmmmmmm? === skwashd [n=skwashd@phpgroupware/skwashd] has joined #edubuntu [08:50] by all means [08:50] cafuego: hey [08:50] skwashd: http://www.cafuego.net/stuff/dhcpd.conf === skwashd looks [08:51] skwashd: I netboot my macs on that config; I think you need to at least have 'allow booting;' and 'allow bootp;' [08:51] skwashd: np :) [08:51] bimberi: :) [08:51] hey bimberi [08:51] hi cbx33! === skwashd tries it [08:51] skwashd: .. and that should in theory result in the mac pulling yaboot.conf off the tftp server [08:52] ok [08:52] bimberi: I'm hoping to get a chance to try those playground noises in the sounds later [08:52] I love EDGE/GPRS :D [08:52] ooh, really, that'd be good [08:53] bimberi: yes i have to make a change to the logout sound so I'll do it then [08:53] :) [08:53] and now my patch is done I'll have more time to do it [08:53] atleast this time i get a grey screen [08:53] someone emailed me with an excellent idea. startup sound has playground noises punctuated by a bell ringing (for the start of school). Shutdown starts with the bell followed by children cheering [08:53] :) [08:54] hehehe [08:54] i think that would require particular recording though [08:54] that's a cool idea - we could try that in edgy + 1 === bimberi will put it on the wiki so it's not forgotten [08:55] hhe [08:55] DAMN it. [08:55] argh [08:55] nooooo [08:55] ah hang on [08:55] this patch is broken again [08:55] i forgot the last step of the howto [08:55] i remember why i did it in the first place now [08:56] *gah* [08:58] right I'm off for a while [08:58] see y'all later [08:59] hmmm [08:59] Not on powerpc, skipping yaboot installation. [09:01] the i386 bit works [09:01] that is when updating the kernels ... as listed in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup === skwashd boots with the live cd again [09:06] hey, cool, i was wondering about that a while ago === jinty [n=jinty@195.Red-83-58-178.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:20] cafuego: it seems i don't have a powerpc kernel installed under /opt/ltsp [09:21] running ltsp-update-kernels on the server gives the error above about not being on ppc [09:22] skwashd: Ugh. Yeah, a ppc chroot would be _really_ handy. [09:22] but running it on the client with a live cd complains about not being able to find /opt/ltsp/*/boot/vmlinux* [09:22] skwashd: Your ltsp server is i386? [09:22] cafuego: yeah [09:22] client will be a powerpc [09:23] Ok, the way I went about this, is to install the server on the powerpc; and then copy the chroot across. [09:23] cafuego: so https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup is crap ? [09:25] skwashd: I've not tried it.. [09:25] ok [09:25] skwashd: but netbooting, mounting and installing should work OK. [09:25] Just check that /opt/ltsp is not a symlink. [09:25] /opt/ltsp is fine [09:26] i can read and write to it === cafuego nods [09:26] Then in theory `sudo ltsp-build-client' should work fine. [09:26] which is what i did [09:26] and it seemed to forget the kernel/s :( [09:27] Hmm.. [09:27] I cna give you kernels. [09:27] Just copy 'em by hand, hold on. [09:27] cafuego: how about i chroot [09:27] and just apt-get install [09:27] (these ALSO contain the nic drivers for the old ppcs) [09:28] skwashd: yes, but make sure that the initrd that's generated is set up for nfs root. [09:28] cafuego: i will run the ltsp-update-kernels once i have a kernel in the chroot :) [09:28] and i have exitted the chroot === cafuego nods === skwashd waits for the snail to move [09:33] cafuego: btw did you go to the sfd bazaar ? === willvdl [n=Will@vc-196-207-32-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:36] morning all === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:39] well I figured out the problem [09:39] but it's not so easy to fix [09:39] :( [09:39] the problem is which gconf server it uses === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-165-122-03.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [10:02] hi RichEd [10:02] hi cbx33 - how are you ? [10:02] heh - fixing a nasty bug in pessulus [10:03] We had a bank holiday yesterday ... some time with the kids & wife. Did I miss anything or anyone ? [10:03] but I kinda created it so it's my problem [10:03] :p [10:04] Well good luck :) [10:04] hehe tahnk you === cbx33 is going for ubuntu-dev membership tonight :S [10:04] brb [10:05] cafuego: that did the trick === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.107.16] has joined #edubuntu [10:11] morning RichEd :-) [10:11] Hi TeePOG :) [10:12] how goes? [10:13] all right ... getting up to speed today ... been hassling with telkom adsl for the last 2 hours when I needed to be working :( [10:13] yah, you could spend your whole life hassling telkom === ubuntu_ [n=ubuntu@89-172-196-226.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === ubuntu_ is now known as pzgi === pzgi is now known as pygi [10:17] pygi [10:18] !!!!! [10:18] good morning [10:18] morning cbx33 [10:18] you have a sec? [10:18] sms working yet ;) [10:18] yes, to everyone but you :P === willvdl_ [n=Will@vc-196-207-32-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === ubuntu_ [n=ubuntu@89-172-233-197.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl_ is now known as willvdl === ubuntu_ is now known as pygi [10:24] cbx33: sorry, dc [10:24] and I still can't send you a message :-/ [10:25] ok np [10:26] it's weird since I can send it to anyone else, I tried Hungary, USA, India... [10:26] all works :-/ [10:28] joy, 350ms lag :-/ [10:29] :( [10:29] mjor lag here too (South Africa) [10:32] cbx33: you have a phone on some other network perhaps? [10:33] no :( [10:38] cbx33: it's weird I can call you, but can't send you a message [10:38] yeh [10:38] unless my network won;t accept incoming sms from abroad [10:38] hmmm [10:38] still not working [10:39] i get the BOOTREQUEST and it gives the BOOTREPLY [10:39] and i get a grey screen [10:39] but i can't seem to boot === willvdl [n=Will@vc-196-207-32-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [10:42] morning [10:42] skwashd, fo mac booting i have a dhcpd.conf at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dhcpd.conf [10:43] they need this silly hex code, else they wont pick up the reply [10:44] cbx33: might be, poke the network service about it? [10:44] ogra: thanks ... i will look at it [10:44] and compare it to the version i got from cafuego [10:44] skwashd, is that a mac server with mac clients ? [10:45] or i386 ? [10:45] mine? i386 server with a ppc client [10:45] ah, fine ... [10:45] did you follow the multiarch doc ? [10:46] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup [10:46] cbx33: you still alive? :) [10:46] pygi: yes I'm alive [10:46] I'll ring them [10:46] ogra: good morning [10:46] kk [10:47] I have found the problem [10:47] ogra: yes [10:47] and you didnt end up with a kernel in the chroot ? [10:47] ogra or cafuego can i please get a yaboot.conf ? [10:47] that shouldnt happen ... [10:47] ogra: initially no ... so i had to chroot and install it manually [10:47] using a live cd [10:47] are you sure that all the setps in ltsp-build-client finished fine ? [10:47] *steps [10:48] the second time ... yes [10:48] hey cbx33 [10:48] second time == you wiped out /opt/ltsp before running ltsp-build-client again, right ? [10:48] (never run it over an existing chroot, that will break) [10:49] ogra: no ... cos i has the i386 install already done [10:49] ogra: the problem was a real icky one, I had to use gconftool to write the keys when using a custom path, as running from within the code/python, caused it to be run as root, changing ownership of the gconf directories for the user = not a good idea ;) The problem was that when I was reading them in it was using roots gconf server, and when writing it was using the users [10:49] well, then /opt/ltsp/powerpc ... [10:49] but over /opt/ltsp/powerpc ... i am pretty sure i did [10:49] fsck it [10:49] but it will cause breakage to run it twice on the same chroot [10:49] time to try again [10:49] hence there was discontinuity between the data - consquently I'm writing a whole new set of get functions in a subclass, which will use gconftool to get the value [10:50] the subclass is good as it is what vuntz wanted anyway :D [10:50] skwashd, also are you running dapper or edgy ? [10:50] the kernel handling in ltsp-update-kernels is different in edgy [10:50] cbx33, how big is that patch ? [10:51] no huge [10:51] but it is definitely needed if you want pessulus [10:51] note that we're only allowed to change very few lines after beta ... [10:51] so you want it in before beta [10:51] ogra: on this box ... dapper [10:51] ogra: I get that [10:51] so I'm goign to try to get it done now [10:51] which should be ok [10:51] cbx33, i'm not sure i want to change anything before beta ... [10:52] something seems to have changed in gconf because it all worked before hand [10:52] skwashd, ok, then all should be fine ... in edgy parts of the kernel update code moved into the chroot ... [10:52] ogra: what's the bottom line [10:52] cbx33, show me the patch :) [10:52] ogra: would you recommend edgy over dapper ? [10:52] ogra: I'll develop it now and show it to you when it's done [10:52] is that gonna be ok [10:52] skwashd, feature wise i would ... but i didnt run any cross arch tests yet [10:52] I'm at work, but I'm tryingto ignore everyone [10:53] cbx33, as it fits you ... [10:54] skwashd, edgy adds automatic network swap, printing support, local device support (floppies,cdroms,usbsticks....), language ans seselection in the login manager ... [10:54] ogra: hmmm ... how recent is the newest "flight" (or whatever) image ? [10:55] ah ... local dev support ... that is something i want [10:55] skwashd, i'll be testing an edubuntu daily install in abut an hour ... thats nearly the beta release [10:55] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/ [10:55] from a first look at the iso it seems fine ... but i cant say anything more until i've done a test install [10:56] ogra: someone said we'd be dropping back to an almost FF state after beta [10:56] ogra: how tricky would a dist-upgrade be ? [10:56] cbx33, well, changes will be reviewed the smaller ones are more likely to be accepted ... [10:57] skwashd, apart from having to rebuild your chroots it should be fine ... [10:57] ah ok [10:58] and rebuilding the chroot would be done by ... chroot /opt/ltsp/arch; vi /etc/apt/sources.list; sudo apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade ? [10:58] nope [10:58] sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/$arch && sudo ltsp-build-client [10:58] hmmm [10:59] so i would need an edubuntu powerpc edgy live cd? [10:59] ltsp-build-client des some tweaks to the chroot that are not done by the packages, so a simple upgrade might fail (or might work i didnt test it) [10:59] as i said before, i wasnt able to test multiarch either yet ... but it should be the same procedure as described in the doc [11:00] ogra: this "2 hour job" has taken me a large part of my day ... i think i will stick with dapper for now [11:00] ok [11:03] ogra: one last question ... how do i change the sources for building the chroot? just as normal vi /etc/apt/sources.list ? [11:03] ltsp-build-client --help ;) [11:03] it has a --mirror option [11:03] ok ... thanks [11:04] i.e. if you have a cd around it will speed up immensely to do: [11:04] mount /cdrom [11:04] it is the live cd so it is mounted [11:04] sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom [11:04] thanks [11:04] not sure it works like taht from the livecd though ... try it :) [11:05] I don't think it'll work from live cd ogra [11:05] pygi, if the liveCD has a /pool directory it *might* work :) [11:05] yes it does! [11:05] all you need are the Packages/Release file and a /poll with packages [11:05] *pool [11:06] hmmm no [11:06] Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/powerpc mount -t proc proc /proc [11:07] ah m, [11:07] nm [11:07] skwashd: if livecd has /pool you can manually copy files to appropriate dir at disk [11:07] i forgot to nfs mount [11:07] right :) [11:07] so it seems it will work with the liveCD [11:07] pygi, that wouldnt speed up much ... [11:07] right :) [11:08] nope [11:08] broke at the same place [11:09] hmm, seems the /proc mount doesnt like having nfs underneath it [11:09] ogra: this is the first time i had choked there ... the other 2 times it worked fine [11:10] without specifying the --mirror option ? [11:11] hang on [11:11] i will try in a minute [11:11] i know it works as described in the doc ... since i tested that ... but i never tried to use the cd i'm running from as mirror [11:12] oh, run "mount" please :) [11:12] might be that you still have a /proc mount in /opt/ltsp/powerpc [11:12] ogra: what do you want from that ? [11:12] look for /proc :) [11:13] nope only at /proc [11:13] if your first two times broke (one is indicated by not having a kernel, the second by not wiping the chroot) [11:14] ogra: no .. the first time it broke cos it didn't get all the packages [11:14] chroot into /opt/ltsp/powerpc and check theer is no proc mounted [11:14] right [11:14] the second time maybe i didn't remove the chroot [11:14] which results ain a broken chroot [11:14] its really important that it finishes properly [11:14] can't run command /bin/bash [11:14] so it won't chroot [11:14] and that the chroot dir is empty before you start [11:15] time for a windoze trick [11:15] ok, but since you didnt see /opt/ltsp/powerpc/proc in your mount output, it should be fine [11:15] ogra: patch is looking good [11:15] how many lines ? [11:15] 170 [11:15] :( [11:15] urgh [11:15] it's taking a module from pessulus [11:16] and writing some subclass === skwashd reboots the ppc box [11:16] to overwrite some functions in a special case [11:16] it will not be shorter than that.... [11:16] infact chances are it will be a few lines longer [11:16] right, but thats quite huge [11:16] it's up to you [11:16] I know [11:16] and its a new feature ... [11:17] no, it's a bug fix for an old featuer [11:17] and vuntz and seb128 wanted these changes remember [11:17] you are implementing it differently [11:17] slightly yes [11:17] it's your call [11:17] so it must be treated like a new feature ... its untested as well ... [11:17] i think i'll need to discuss it with mdz then ... [11:18] well. .... I'm still gonna develop the patch [11:18] no harm in having it done [11:18] right ... [11:18] I don't know what eles to say...I had it tested and working [11:18] something has chnaged somewhere [11:19] and when I tested the other day it was broken....it has taken me a little hwile to find the problem....I'm sorry [11:19] should be in a changelor somewhere :) [11:19] *changelog [11:19] exactly ...somewhere [11:19] well, look at the packages involved :) [11:19] I don;t have time [11:19] I must get this patch finished [11:19] can only be gconf or pessulus [11:20] then you guys can decide if you can implement it or not === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [11:20] if not, we should remove the lockdown feature from SCP - mandatory keys work....non-mandatory keys don;t [11:20] so it's up to you [11:20] pessulus didnt change after your patch [11:22] well, and gconf didnt either [11:23] last version was from sept 3 [11:23] well....it must be my *&%^'d up coding [11:23] :( [11:23] well, if it worked .... [11:23] and it did [11:24] right [11:24] but if nothing has changed anywhere [11:24] then it must have been a non-true test [11:24] it doesn't really matter why it went wrong....I'm in the wrong so.....I'd better "go figure" === ogra goes for an install test ... bbl [11:44] ok --mirror file:///cdrom causes the proc problem === willvdl [n=Will@vc-196-207-32-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === ogra-thin [n=ogra2@p548AF8AB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:19] ogra-thin? :) [12:21] ogra must have lost weight ^.^ [12:22] haha [12:22] no, i'm happily logged in from a fresh install ... [12:22] ahhh [12:22] no manual steps needed anymore ... ltsp out of the box with sound, localdev etc :) [12:24] mmmmkay... edgy? [12:24] my sound doesn't work [12:25] ogra-thin: hey dude [12:25] I have it fixed [12:25] before I rigorously test it [12:25] do you want to see the patch? [12:26] finally sure, mail it :) [12:26] huh ? [12:26] i didnt type "finally" ... [12:26] are you sure [12:26] yes [12:26] it was a freudian slip [12:26] heheh I can tell [12:26] xchat-gnome has its own life it seems [12:26] very very weird === cbx33 imagine ogra rolling his eyes and going....phew finally ! [12:27] nah ;) [12:27] your fingers did the rest ;) [12:27] cheeky ;) [12:27] i had the same in #ubuntu-devel [12:27] it just swallowed half of my sentence ... [12:27] instead of adding something [12:28] thisd install CD is starting to look quite sexy :D [12:28] even my mother could install an ltsp environment now [12:30] nice [12:32] ogra-thin: I have just tested every scenario I can think of in gconf and it appears to have been totally fixed [12:32] because my change to pessulus is patch already, how do you want it so you can view it? [12:33] how does one reverse a patch? [12:33] i have worked out the proc problem [12:34] /proc doesn't exist in the chroot [12:34] cbx33: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc [12:34] skwashd: you mean teh mountpoint ? [12:34] that cant be ... [12:34] its created by debootstrap [12:35] ok ogra-thin [12:35] ogra-thin: yes [12:35] that is what i thought too [12:36] but it isn't being created [12:36] i'll check that after beta release (need to set up a dapper machine anyway) [12:40] ogra-thin: sorry just quick - what was that command to do the patchs where it creates a copy of the source so you can modify it? [12:40] someone pinged me? [12:40] cbx33: dpatch-edit-patch or cdbs-edit-patch ? [12:41] t5hnks [12:41] (depending on the patch system you add to the package) [12:41] my problem is my patch needs to be an update to a patch alredy inside the system [12:42] so that won't work... [12:42] choose a higher number for it [12:42] you can't patch patches [12:42] casn you [12:42] sure [12:42] well you shouldn't, should you [12:43] thats how the -edit-patch commans work [12:43] but....oh wouldn't it be better to strip out my patch and build it from scratch - so it contained al the changes? [12:43] they apply all patches with a lower numbering or a higher place in 00list (for dpatch) [12:43] then they create a chroot for the pacvkage where yoiu can edit === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [12:59] i have been playing some more [01:00] when running "sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/powerpc mount -t proc proc /proc" manually i get [01:00] chroot: cannot run command `mount': No such file or directory [01:01] ogra: patch seems to apply cleanly [01:03] skwashd, running from the liveCD ? [01:04] ogra: yeag [01:04] yeah [01:04] ogra: same before and after failed install [01:07] if you chroot into it, can you see /bin/mount ? [01:10] ogra: /bin doesn't exist [01:11]