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bddebianHeya01:36
ryanakcahey01:36
bddebianHi ryanakca01:37
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freeflyingmorning all02:56
imbrandonheya freeflying02:57
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Jucatomoin Hobbsee!03:23
ryanakcawhy isn't/how would I get kdeutils listed as a "Product" in launchpad so that I can link an upstream bug to it?03:23
Hobbseehey Jucato 03:24
Hobbseei'm not sure that "upstream product" matters03:24
Hobbseei tend to set it to kdebase, and just link the bug numbetr03:25
ryanakcakk03:25
ryanakcabug 5804903:25
UbugtuMalone bug 58049 in kdeutils "Kgpg crashes when I sign/verify clipboard" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5804903:25
ryanakcahttp://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12926703:26
UbugtuKDE bug 129267 in general "Kgpg editor crashes when decrypting" [Crash,New]  03:26
ryanakcabtw, if the master bug triagers hunt me down... *makes sure to point to Hobbsee*03:27
Hobbseehaha03:27
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Hobbseewell, yeah...i'm in -qa, so i'm expected to get it right, i think03:27
Jucatowho's the master bug triager anyway?03:27
ryanakcaIntegrityError03:27
ryanakcaA server error occurred.03:27
Hobbseedholbach or sflaw?03:27
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JucatoHobbsee: you are? :)03:28
Hobbseei dont think there is one03:28
ryanakcathose two...03:28
Jucatoah sflaw I think.. (Simon Law, right?)03:28
Hobbseenope03:28
Hobbseeyep03:28
ryanakcayes, in montreal :)03:28
crimsunI think you mean seb.03:29
crimsun(or are you asking who heads up QA?)03:29
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ryanakcaI was just saying that if someone hunts me down and lectures me, I'll tell them that they have the wrong person, and that hobbsee blackmailed me into doing it03:30
crimsunseb has a ridiculous amount of karma from bug triaging, so he's who I'd consider to be the "master"03:30
crimsunsfflaw heads up QA03:30
Jucatook :)03:30
Hobbseeheh03:31
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Jucatoany chance of KDE bug 133388 being fixed before Edgy is released?03:33
UbugtuKDE bug 133388 in general "Manage Repositories is disabled" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13338803:33
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HobbseeJucato: ask mornfall 03:35
JucatoHobbsee: do I really really have to?? *gulps*03:35
Hobbseesure, he's not going to eat you03:35
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Jucatoheh03:35
=== Jucato wonders if mornfall is available for comment...
ryanakcaHey Mornfall, wonderful day, isn't it, eh?03:36
ryanakcaJucato: seee, that wasn't so hard... you try :P03:36
Jucatolol03:37
Jucatointentionally misspelling his name doesn't count :P03:37
Jucatowell, his name was mentioned 3x already, so I'm presuming he's not available. :)03:37
Jucatoyikes! it's 1am in UTC... 03:38
imbrandon1:3703:38
Jucatooh yeah... took a quick glance and didn't notice the minutes :)03:38
Jucatohm... Katapult's Documents catalog doesn't search recursively into folders, right? you have to specify the path starthing from $HOME?03:40
Hobbseehehe, i'm getting bugged about being the maintainer of kopete, instead of apachelogger03:40
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JucatoHobbsee: ooh apachelogger is going to having a "timeout" so you'll probably be doing that soon anyway...03:41
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Hobbseeah right03:41
Hobbseeit's the fact that i usually modify it, i tend to do the bugfixes, and apachelogger's patches seem to be on crack sometimes anyway.03:42
Hobbseeso i have to go thru them with a fine tooth comb03:42
Jucatohttp://apachelog.blogspot.com/2006/09/timeoutlogger_25.html :(03:43
Hobbseefair enough03:44
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Jucatogo for it! :P03:44
Hobbseenah.  not yet03:44
Hobbseemaybe edgy+1 where there's a whole lot more main stuff to be merged03:45
Jucatoand take your rightful place beside Riddellll :P03:45
Hobbseeheh03:45
Hobbseethat's the edgy+2 developer conference, i hope03:45
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imbrandonheya Jucato03:45
Hobbseethen again, i can just make imbrandon upload my stuff.03:46
imbrandonlol 03:46
Jucatohi imbrandon!! sleepy after a good dinner? :)03:46
imbrandonHobbsee, you not comming to mountain view ?03:46
Jucatoimbrandon already sits at the other side of Riddel :P03:46
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Hobbseeimbrandon: nope03:46
=== ajmitch should do core dev stuff some day
Hobbseeand Tonio*_ and raphink03:46
Hobbseeajmitch: yes, DO SOME WORK, kthnksbye!03:47
imbrandonajmitch, i thought you were core ?03:47
Jucato:)03:47
ajmitchimbrandon: I am, I mean doing the work03:47
ajmitchrather than just mono/f-spot03:47
imbrandonahh ;)03:47
ajmitchI have upstart mostly patched :)03:47
imbrandoni've only touched amarok and k-d-s in main so far, but then again the freeze kinda kinked me right away03:48
imbrandonahh i take that back i did kdebase and kdelibs once too03:48
imbrandonstill03:48
imbrandonhavent done a whole lot so far03:48
Hobbseethat was my problem in dapper03:49
imbrandonhrm can the qt spin edit box contain strings instead of numbers ?03:51
=== Hobbsee did a kdebase upload too, iirc
imbrandonyea i did a few, but i mean since main03:53
imbrandonyea you did a few too03:53
imbrandoniirc03:53
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Jucatolol04:00
imbrandons/atable/table04:00
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Jucatohah04:00
imbrandonlol04:01
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ajmitchwhen I look in here & see Hobbsee doing things like that, I really have to wonder...04:10
Hobbseehehe04:10
Hobbseeajmitch: you're lucky that didnt happen while you were here04:11
ajmitchI'd be running for the plance04:11
ajmitchs/plance/plane/04:11
Hobbseehehe04:12
Hobbseeyou were anyway :P04:12
ajmitchtrue04:12
Hobbseeajmitch: so are you going to come near me in january?  or are you too scared?  :P04:17
ajmitchlet me think about that04:17
Hobbseehehe04:17
Jucatoooh... TUX's new editor is an Aussie (did I spell that right?) :P04:18
imbrandonyes , and what is TUX ?04:19
imbrandon( other than the penguin )04:19
JucatoTUX Magazine04:19
imbrandonnever seen it04:19
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Jucatoheh. sister publication of Linux Journal, but more oriented towards mere mortals (like me :P)04:20
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Jucatosince when did the QOTU become a mere mortal? :P04:20
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Hobbseeyes i am!04:21
imbrandoni never read any print magazines ( nor ever see them )04:21
Hobbseeas far as i know, i can still be killed off :P04:21
Hobbseeimbrandon: it's not in print - it's over the net04:21
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JucatoHobbsee can still be detached :P04:21
Hobbseelol04:22
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imbrandonlol04:22
imbrandonhrm i wonder how doublin is going04:22
HobbseeHobbsee is just an alias anyway04:22
Hobbsee:P04:22
Hobbseeone i answer to04:22
Jucatoimbrandon: they're all in PDF format. it's free, but by next year it will have US$ 10/yr subscription fee04:22
imbrandonyea for 00804:22
imbrandonJucato, cool04:23
imbrandonwell basicly is it dosent have an rss feed , or its not in a man page i dont regularly read it04:23
imbrandon;)04:23
Jucatoheh04:23
JucatoRSS ftw!04:23
imbrandons/is/if04:23
Jucatoso you don't read docbooks and wikis? :P04:23
imbrandona few printed BOOKS now and then, but mostly refrence stuff or sci fiction04:24
Hobbseemeet docbook2man or whatever it is :P04:24
imbrandonhehe04:24
Jucatoheh but the KDE/Kubuntu help pages are in docbook format right? :P04:24
Jucatooh well, that's nixternl's stuff :)04:24
imbrandonJucato, you should read "god debris" sometime, you would like it ( free pdf book )04:25
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imbrandonlike ~130 pages04:25
imbrandonits by scott adams iirc04:25
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imbrandoni can read pdf's and txt on my ipod but that dont make it easy on the small screen ;)04:26
Jucatoheh04:27
Jucatothat's why I love smartphones... 04:27
Jucatowhich is another reason why I need to get a new one... :(04:27
imbrandonaudio books ftw04:27
Hobbseeimbrandon: people are wondering about amarok/libtag stuff - is it our bug, or upstream?  also,there are lots of nasty new bugs in amarok, it seems04:27
imbrandon+ podcasts04:27
Hobbseealso, if someone feels like examining kaffeine, that'd probably be wise04:27
imbrandonHobbsee, i've answerd most of them, its a libtag issue upstream04:28
Hobbseeah right04:28
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imbrandon99% of the problems is they are taging or retagging stuff on a netwrk drive or a VERY large collection04:28
Hobbsee*nods*04:28
Hobbseefair enough04:28
imbrandonbut yea it needs to be fixed, and upstream is aware ;)04:29
Hobbseeheh04:29
Hobbseenah...lets just keep having buggy software :P04:29
imbrandonhehe04:29
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imbrandonheh04:31
Jucatooh kwap... 04:31
Jucatocan anyone confirm that some apps, like KWord and KDissert can't be found in Add/Remove programs? (Both GNOME and Adept)04:31
Jucatoand where do I flle such a bug? since it seems both are affected? :(04:32
imbrandonLP04:33
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Jucatoooh Shakira :P04:34
ajmitchimbrandon: interesting tastes.. ;)04:34
imbrandonheh04:34
Hobbseeajmitch: he's usually listening to shakira04:34
ajmitchhow disturbing04:34
imbrandoni listen to just about everything ( music wise )04:34
imbrandonHobbsee, nah thats just the last cd i bought ;)04:34
Hobbsee:P04:35
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imbrandon^^ that alot too04:35
imbrandonJucato, i'm not sure how the programs get picked to show in add/remove04:38
imbrandonprobably would need to ask someone more familiar with it than me04:38
imbrandonbut i can confirm those dont show, but i dunno if they are supose to etc04:39
Jucatoyeah. Burgundavia said it's supposed to show and to file a bug. I just didn't know where...04:40
imbrandonwell if you were doing it in kde , it would be adept, i dont know about gnome04:41
imbrandoni'm guessing synaptic but i dont know for sure04:41
Jucatoadept_installer = gnome-app-install. They both don't show KWord. so it might be something they have in common?04:42
imbrandonadept installer is in the source package adept though04:45
imbrandoni would start there, someone will track it down04:45
Jucatook. thanks for the guidance :)04:46
imbrandonwhen it gets triaged04:46
Jucatolol... I'm trying my best to give the triager less work to do. As I've been on the receiving end of trying to mark 8 duplicate bug reports :P04:46
Jucatoimbrandon: do you know if shipit will stop shipping free CD's starting Edgy?04:59
imbrandonno they wont05:01
imbrandonthey are shipping dapper only05:02
Jucatoah ok. thanks for confirming :)05:02
imbrandonthey ship free still but will only ship dapper05:02
imbrandonnot edgy ( since dapper is LTS )05:02
imbrandonfyi its in the news letter #14 Jucato05:03
Jucatooh05:03
Jucatolol I didn't notice sorry :)05:03
rideoutso, i was just checking what major packages still need python2.3, and the only one i saw (that i use) is scribus. Can we build it with 2.4?05:25
rideouti just checked, debian is using 2.4 in sid05:29
imbrandonwe could probably just merge then after the beta freeze05:30
rideouti'm new to this, should i email the motu list? what is the best way to go about it?05:30
imbrandonscribus is main iirc ( will have to look ) and you are in the right place for kde* stuff05:31
imbrandonyea scribus is main so its us in here to take care of it05:31
imbrandonbtw hi and welcom rideout ;)05:35
imbrandonwelcome*05:35
rideouthello, just to introduce myself, since I'd like to start helping out a bit more, I'm student in Colorado, USA, and run my own POS software company05:37
rideoutI just came over from debian05:37
imbrandoncool , yea hang out in here and MOTU is the best way to get a feel for things05:37
imbrandonwe are at the end of cycle right now so thing smight be a bit hetic / tight to start off05:38
imbrandonbut you'll catch on05:38
imbrandons/MOTU/#ubuntu-motu05:38
rideoutthanks05:38
imbrandonRiddell hobbsee Tonio_ _Sime raphink and myself are the main KDE types but every one helps out here and there as they can05:39
imbrandonrideout, hrm our scribus is built with 2.405:41
imbrandonwhere did you get that info ?05:41
imbrandonbrandon@horatio:~$ apt-cache show scribus|grep python05:42
imbrandonDepends: libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libc6 (>= 2.4-1), libcupsys2 (>= 1.2.1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libjpeg62, liblcms1 (>= 1.08-1), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.6), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), libtiff4, libx11-6, libxml2 (>= 2.6.26), python2.4 (>= 2.3.90), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), gs-gpl (>= 8.01) | gs-afpl (>= 8.14) | gs-esp (>= 7.07), python-tk05:42
imbrandon^^ python2.4 (>=2.3.90)05:42
rideoutapt-cache show scribus-ng | grep python05:42
rideoutactually I was talking about the wrong package05:42
imbrandonahh ok, and thats in universe too05:43
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imbrandonif we do that the next few days ( before the 28th ) we can get it in05:43
imbrandoni'll look at the merge later05:43
imbrandonhrm actualy it dosent look like there is a ubuntu delta05:44
imbrandonjust needs a testbuild from sid05:44
rideoutI just finished downloading the sid source, I'll see if it has any issues05:45
imbrandoni have it building in an edgy pbuilder now, looking makeing sure it hasent already be requested for a sync05:46
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rideouttesting dcop06:54
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rideoutis listening to Yankee Bayonet (I Will Be Home Then) by The Decemberists [amarok] 07:42
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Hobbseeheya08:09
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imbrandonheya Hobbsee08:15
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Hobbseehey imbrandon 08:17
Jucatohi Hobbsee!08:17
Hobbseehey Jucato 08:17
=== Hobbsee wonders if a meeting was ever decided on
imbrandoni have it sitting in the pending queue for 2100 thursday , just waiting on Riddell to say its cool08:19
Jucatooh...08:19
Hobbseewhich thursday?08:20
Hobbseenext thursday, or the one in 2 days?08:20
imbrandonnext , to get beta out the dorr first08:20
Hobbseegood08:20
imbrandondoor*08:20
imbrandon;)08:21
Hobbseehehe08:21
Hobbseethe dorr too08:21
Jucatoso not this thursday?08:21
Jucatoah yeah, akademy... silly e08:21
Jucatos/e/me08:21
imbrandoni finly got my last.fm tagging going correctly on my blog now ;)08:22
imbrandoni waste alot of time lol08:22
Jucatoheh08:22
Hobbseeheh08:22
Hobbseeoh yeah, akademy too08:22
Hobbseedefinetly not this thurs then08:22
Jucatothat's good, for me...08:22
Jucatogives me lots of time to see if my ISP will allow me to be there...08:23
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Jucatoheh looks like some users from the forums are beginning to look at Epiphany as an alternative to Firefox :)08:25
Jucatooh krap!! I forgot not to mention the f**** word...08:25
Hobbseethey've been doign that for a while, Jucato 08:26
Hobbseeoh yeah, forums, i'm supposed to email them...08:26
JucatoHobbsee: what are you going to tell them?08:26
HobbseeJucato: how we can best use them to help us out08:26
Jucatowell they've been recently giving Epiphany another chance in light of what's happening with Debian and MozCo08:27
Hobbseerather than just saying "i want i want i want GIMME IT NOW" and then nothing happening08:27
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Jucatoheh08:27
Jucatohm... let me get some links08:27
Hobbseei hate to say it, but epiphany would have been used as the default long ago if it was any good08:28
Hobbseeseeing as it's smaller08:28
Jucatohttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumIntegration | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=255516 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BridgingUbuntu <--- these might help?08:28
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=== Hobbsee nods :)
Hobbseeyep, seen them :)08:30
Hobbseewell, all except the first link08:30
Jucatoah ok. :)08:30
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Hobbseenah, it's good :)08:31
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Jucato:P08:32
Jucatothis dance I'm doing with my ISP is really getting to my nerves...08:32
Hobbseeoh?08:32
JucatoI'm connected in IRC and IM, but HTTP is either slower than a snail or totally non-existent08:33
Hobbseeahhh...fun08:34
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imbrandonJucato, try a diffrent ( non-your-isp ) dns server ( like opendns )08:45
Jucatoimbrandon: ok I'll try08:47
Jucatoaaah!!! a bottle mt.dew cleared my mind a bit and calmed me down... :)08:47
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imbrandonheh08:51
imbrandonand stawberry milk ;)08:52
Jucatojust not both at the same time :P08:52
imbrandonlol08:52
Jucatothough I'd personally prefer chocolate milk :D08:52
rideoutor some guiness08:53
imbrandonright right08:53
Hobbseemmm...strawberry milk...08:53
Jucatoheh08:53
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rideoutI apologize, I'm tired and going sleep, and will arrive more helpful and respectful tomarow08:58
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JucatoI think I'll sleep this one out.09:10
Jucatobbl09:10
Hobbseehmm?09:10
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Tonio_Riddell: we need this ! http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=2912310:53
Tonio_Riddell: firefox allows the same thing, and really it makes things easier for the people !10:53
Tonio_Riddell: that's just a kdebase patch, I'll try to implement it today and look how the things work$10:57
raphinkTonio_: well I'm not sure11:03
raphinkthat allows to install flashplayer indeed, but not through packages, so we lose track of the files11:03
raphinkbut it's nice for users indeed11:04
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Tonio_raphink: yes I see your point of view....11:13
Tonio_the point is packages are nice when you know what to install11:13
Tonio_raphink: but we did the amarok mp3 plugin for the same reason : make it easier for the user11:13
Tonio_raphink: just fyi, the files are installed in the user profile, not in the system11:15
RiddellTonio_: i was just thinking about that sort of thing11:21
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Riddellraphink: the flashplayer-nonfree packge does the same thing11:21
raphinkalright11:22
Tonio_Riddell: the only point is there is not "don't bug me anymore" option11:24
Tonio_Riddell: but the amarok MP3 plugin has the same issue......11:24
Tonio_Riddell: is that a problem for you ?11:24
Tonio_one can install flash and disable it afterwards11:24
Tonio_and about everyone installs flish so.......11:25
Tonio_s/flish/flash11:26
RiddellTonio_: doesn't amarok have a don't annoy me again option?11:27
Riddellthe currently flash popup in konq never seems to go away anyway :)11:28
Tonio_Riddell: nope the amarok patch doesn't do this...11:28
Tonio_Riddell: you've already tested this ?11:29
Tonio_Riddell: concerning the flashpopup I think it just prompts you as long as you didn't install it...11:29
Tonio_Riddell: btw, I'm building kdelibs to check how it works, and then decide11:29
Riddellwe can't put it in until after beta anyway11:30
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Tonio_Riddell hum11:31
Tonio_Riddell I would have agree after an RC, but a beta is supposed to be "still in the work" no ?11:31
Riddellyes, but we're frozen for beta11:31
Tonio_Riddell yeah I know this, I'll just gonna test locally11:32
Riddellplease do :)11:35
Riddellinfact give us all packages to test11:35
Tonio_Riddell will do, kdelibs and kds will be required11:36
Tonio_Riddell are you okay concerning the view mode button now that I've merged the 3 buttons ?11:37
Tonio_Riddell http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/capture12.png11:37
Tonio_Riddell tool me all the night but it works :)11:37
Riddellhmm, dunno, could you put up packages of that for me to test too?11:38
Jucatoooh nice Tonio_! I bet everyone's going to love that :)11:38
Jucato(or at least many will :P)11:38
Tonio_Riddell, yes I'm currently building since I have a little thing to patch too to uncheck the button, will let you know when it's done11:39
Tonio_Riddell that's kdebase + kds too, so I will probably put both flash and iconview and give you the link11:40
Tonio_Riddellthe very nice thing with the flash installer patch is it has a config file that'll go in kds, so that if we have to update the url for example, we can just upgrade kds ;)11:42
Riddellwhat if they don't have k-d-s installed?11:43
seaLneanyone have time to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3243 ?11:48
RiddellseaLne: looking11:55
RiddellseaLne: debian/copyright looks like it's taken from kdebindings11:56
RiddellI'd start afresh with that file11:56
seaLneoops11:56
Tonio_Riddell, hum, it probably won't load11:58
Tonio_Riddell I'll test with and without kds, but I need to set params in an rc file, and we are not going to hardcode this in /usr/share/kde ;)11:59
Tonio_seaLne: ping me if riddell approves11:59
seaLnethe ruby bindings ahave a GPL and a LGPL license file in the source, i'm unsure what is which12:01
Tonio_Riddell the good point with this installer is that it can be used for other things, as we just have to fill the xml file for another plugin :)12:01
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RiddellseaLne: find rdale and ask I guess12:07
RiddellTonio_: nice12:07
RiddellseaLne: "postinst-has-useless-call-to-ldconfig" no idea why that's useless, the library is in /usr/lib12:07
Tonio_Riddell I think we should give a try at this : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=3891512:09
Tonio_Riddell adblock in konqueror is quite limited and a pain to use, compared to firefox's12:09
RiddellseaLne: oh, it's because it's not in /usr/lib so ld loader doesn't care about it12:10
RiddellseaLne: we can ignore that anyway12:10
seaLneyeah he's not answering on irc so far :)12:12
Riddellsleeping in I guess12:13
Hobbseebah.  sleep's overrated12:13
RiddellseaLne: all looks good to me otherwise12:13
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seaLneRiddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=325101:07
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seaLnei had to type my pass phrase 1 char at a time between disconects, not fun01:07
seaLneTonio_: fancy looking at that?01:16
Tonio_seaLne: yeah, but I can't build it, since I already have a kdebase and kdelibs on the way......01:18
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seaLneok01:21
Tonio_seaLne: looks nice for me.01:23
Tonio_seaLne: I need to check the valid copyrights to be sure and build too.01:23
Tonio_seaLne: once I can do that I'll advocate01:23
seaLneta01:23
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GNUrohi02:17
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zorglu_once i came here asking about an issue of memory leak in the X, i just identified the apps which is leaking massively, it is eclipse (based on gtk). im  aware it is not directly related to kubuntu, just to let you know.02:20
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Hobbseeright, i'm in the correct room now02:25
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jdongooh, shiny, firefox 2.0RC1 out02:44
Hobbseenice :)02:46
Hobbseeis it any good?02:46
jdongHobbsee: just downloaded the tarball, still looking around :)02:47
jdongmore minor icon tweaks...02:47
Hobbseeahh02:47
jdong but overall I don't see anything too different from beta 202:48
jdongat least in the features department02:48
jdongI'm sure they fixed a lot of glitches02:48
Hobbseehum.  it looks like meanwhile needs to be bumped to main, and been made a dep of gaim.02:49
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jdongJucato: 2.0rc will probably go in after beta freeze02:53
jdong2.0 final will go into edgy-updates or edgy-security when it's released02:53
Jucatojdong: I was referring to the *cough*issue*cough*02:53
jdongthe 'issue'?02:53
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jdongwhich issue is this?02:53
jdongoh02:53
jdongiceweasel?02:53
Jucatoactually it's more of a Debian-MozCo thing02:53
jdonghonestly just go back to the official firefox icon....02:54
JucatoUbuntu can do that, right? Debian ain't so lucky02:54
jdongwell... if we are willing to, yes02:54
jdongbut I don't like the idea of being restricted in that way either02:55
Hobbsee_yeah, please :)02:55
Hobbsee_it's much prettier02:55
Jucatobut that would mean putting Firefox in restricted, right?02:55
jdongJucato: quite possibly, yes02:55
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Jucatoheh.. so I guessed right :P02:55
jdongJucato: and mozilla needs to approve all patches02:55
Jucatoouch.. that would hurt, wouldn't it?02:55
jdongwhich is IMO too much meddling on mozilla's part, yes02:55
JucatoHobbsee: stop dancing! :P02:55
Hobbseesorry...02:55
jdongif that's the case, I'd rather us go with iceweasel02:55
jdongthough windows newcomers will all say WTF02:56
Jucatoyeah...02:56
jdongbut that doesn't matter... we're already king of weird names02:56
Jucato(or go with Epiphany instead...)02:56
jdongput it this way.... it's a better name than Linspire LBrowser02:56
Jucatohm...02:56
JucatoUbrowse :P02:57
abattoiruBrowse03:00
Jucato heh03:01
abattoirthen will Thunderbird become uMail?03:01
JucatoUBrowse, like USplash? :P03:01
Jucatohm...03:01
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bddebianHeya04:41
Jucatohi bddebian!04:41
bddebianHello Jucato04:41
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kwwiihi04:42
Tm_Thellp04:42
bddebianHello kwwii04:42
Tm_Thello04:42
Jucatooo kwwii el!! hellow!04:43
Tm_Tkwwii: how's in akademy?04:43
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kwwiiTm_T: great04:45
kwwiihowdy Jucato04:45
kwwiihi bddebian04:46
Jucatoel's dancing just like Hobbsee :)04:46
kwwiiworking hard, actually04:46
Hobbseeheh04:46
Jucatogo go go! work hard for Oxygen and KDE 4! heh04:46
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kwwiigetting lots of response on edgy, actually, it is really good04:46
kwwiiHobbsee: with enough to drink I bet you would :p04:46
Tm_Tadd right music and atmosphere04:47
Hobbseekwwii: i dont drink.  that's easy.04:47
Tm_THobbsee: oh you do, water atleast04:47
JucatoHobbsee: well you did dance in and out the channel earlier :P04:47
Hobbseeyeah, water.04:47
Hobbsee:P04:47
Jucatowe'll get you drunk on water :P04:47
HobbseeTm_T: that doesnt get me intoxicated though04:47
Tm_THobbsee: it can, just try04:47
Tm_Tdrink one litre as fast as possible, you'll see04:48
Hobbseehah.04:48
Hobbseei'll pass on that too - that'll just make me sick.  :P04:48
Tm_Tmy mother get nasty effects from 3 dl but most of the people need more04:48
Tm_Tstories over, now off ->04:49
Hobbseehehe04:50
Hobbseekwwii: that could be kinda amusing to try though.04:50
Jucatokwwii: do they like the purple theme? :P04:51
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mhbhey everyone05:01
Hobbseeheya05:01
mhbhi Hobbsee 05:01
mhbI need a bit of advice :o) 05:02
mhbas you might (not) know, I am a translator, one of the admins of the Czech l10n team, and kind of responsible for the Kubuntu Czech translation05:02
Hobbseeahh :)05:03
mhband I encountered a problem that is beyond my reach. 05:03
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Hobbseeunfortunately05:03
mhbEven though I made sure Adept is 100% translated, it still keeps on talking in English to me :oI05:04
Jucatoooh Adept...05:04
mhbyeah, Adept :oI other applications are fine (at least they behave normally and are translated). All locales are set well.05:05
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mhbshould I wait for somebody then?05:07
Riddellmhb: is everything in English?  or just some things?05:07
mhbRiddell: that's the strange thing05:07
fdovingdon't you need to select the KDE language for root? 05:08
fdovingsomehow.05:08
mhbRiddell: some things are translated, some aren't - in one app - even when it is 100% translated and the .mos should be fine (daily langpacks)05:08
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Riddellmhb: just adept or other apps too?05:09
LureTonio_: ping05:10
fdovingmhb: try to run 'sudo kcmshell language' - does it say english as default? 05:10
mhbfdoving: thanks, I'll try that05:11
mhbfdoving: weird, it actually did05:13
fdovingmhb: does changing it affect anything? 05:13
mhbRiddell: actually, it looks like more apps are behaving like that05:13
Tonio_Lure: pong05:15
fdovingmhb: can it relate to what's run as root? after you get prompted for the password? 05:15
kwwiiJucato: yes, everyone seems to like the purple (I guess there is enough blue in it now)05:15
LureTonio_: you mentioned once how to do bios upgrade on laptop w/o windows or floppy - I do not recall the name of the software05:15
mhbfdoving: no05:15
Jucatokwwii: that's great news! :)05:15
Tonio_Lure: heh, I didn't mention the name of it since I didn't find any solution05:16
Tonio_Lure: what you can do if you have to use winflash is use a bartpe cd05:16
LureTonio_: ok, that was probably it05:16
Tonio_it is hacked windows made cd bootable05:16
Tonio_Lure: the problem is that you need windows to create it05:17
mhbRiddell: it's like 50% strings in one menu are English and 50% Czech05:17
LureTonio_: windows install CD or installed version?05:17
mhbRiddell: even though the application is completely translated05:17
Riddellmhb: in adept or everything?05:17
Tonio_Lure: you need i386 folder, either from the cd or hdd05:17
LureTonio_: ok, will find some at work... ;-)05:17
mhbRiddell: now that I look at it, it seems like it's affecting more apps05:18
Tonio_hehe, probably yes ;)05:18
Riddellmhb: sounds like the stock strings problem, what language and which language packs is this?05:18
mhbRiddell: Do you think it's worth it to install Knot3 again?05:18
mhbRiddell: and test it05:18
mhb(I had installed Knot1 a while ago, then updated)05:19
mhbRiddell: it's the Czech language pack, at least the KDE part (no such reports from my Ubuntu translator friends)05:20
Riddellmhb: no, wasn't fixed for that05:20
Riddellmhb: ok, I think this should be fixed, please try again with the beta which is coming out on thursday and let me know if you still have the problem or not05:21
mhbRiddell: thanks :o) you're the greatest!05:22
bzbbanyone know when KDE is going to be installable on ppc?05:23
Hobbseewhen someone fixes ruby05:24
Riddellbzbb: it's release critical for beta05:25
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bzbbalright05:27
RiddellTonio_: around?05:39
Tonio_Riddell: yes05:40
RiddellTonio_: did you upload qt4ruby?05:40
Tonio_Riddell: nope I was waiting to finish my kdebase to revu and upload, but I will do in a moment05:40
Tonio_Riddell: it is almost finished now05:40
RiddellTonio_: cool, thanks05:40
RiddellTonio_: the knetworkmanager dudes were asking Lure about testing svn head to know if it works on kubuntu to make a release, do you have time to do that?05:41
Tonio_Riddell: yes I can take that in charge for toonight and make a report05:42
RiddellTonio_: thanks, I'll forward the e-mail to you05:42
Tonio_Riddell: just that as we have a bunch of patches to maintain due to yast it can take a few hours :)05:42
Tonio_Riddell: http://tonio/homelinux.org/tmp/to_test/05:43
Tonio_Riddell: here is kdelibs and kds with the stuff to install flash05:44
Tonio_Riddell: kdebase with merged view icons is coming along05:44
Tonio_Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/to_test/ sorry ;)05:44
RiddellTonio_: no time just now, I need to fly home and do it then, remind me if I havn't tested them by this evening05:46
Tonio_Riddell: yeah, don't miss your plane :)05:46
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Riddellanyone remember where the kmilo key setup script isw?06:28
imbrandonheya all06:32
Jucatohi imbrandon! :)06:33
imbrandonRiddell, commin home today ? hehe06:33
imbrandonRiddell, how is 2100 UTC /next/ thurs day for the meeting , everyone seemed ok with it but i wanted to ask you06:34
Riddellimbrandon: 10 days time?06:35
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imbrandonyea 06:36
imbrandonunless oyu want ti sooner06:36
Jucatohm...06:36
imbrandoni thought 2 days would be a little close to get everyone06:36
imbrandone.g. this thursday , and tbh i thought you would be at akademy all week06:37
Riddellcan't do this thursday, that's beta release06:38
Riddellso 10 days thursday is fine06:38
imbrandonahh yea that wouldent be good hehe06:38
imbrandonhows akademy06:38
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imbrandoni've been reading the blogs on p.k.o 06:39
nixternalspeaking of beta release, now is the time to tell me what you want on the release notes....what has changed since Knot 3?  I got the artwork covered ;)06:43
nixternalanything new and exciting, or just bug fixes pretty much?06:43
mhbI wonder ... would it be possible for a user to choose (in systemsettings Look & Feel) whether he wants a KDE logo as K Menu button or Kubuntu logo?06:46
Jucatomhb: there's not Kubuntu logo icon available06:46
mhbJucato: not yet, I know06:47
nixternalthere is a kubuntu logo icon on kde-look06:47
nixternali used to use it06:47
mhbJucato: but I talked to kwwii today and he mentioned this possibility06:47
Jucatoyeah, I hope there would be one actually :)06:47
Jucatobut won't changing the K Menu logo involve changing some icon names? or is there an easier way to do that?06:48
mhbJucato: that's why I'm asking here06:49
mhb:o)06:49
Jucato:)06:49
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mhbI don't know if the Kubuntu icon will make it as the default K Menu icon or not, but the question was if it did, would it be possible to switch it easily back?06:50
mhbor how hard would it be to code a configuration option for that06:50
trappist /etc/alternatives would do, I'd think06:51
nixternalmv /usr/share/icons/<icon theme>/<size>/apps/kmenu.png /usr/share/icons/<icon theme>/<size>/apps/kmenu1.png06:53
nixternal /etc/alternatives would require linking in big circles and take more time ;)06:53
Jucatough.. thinking about it is hurting my head :)06:54
nixternalhaha06:54
Jucatowell, at (almost) 1am in the morning... :P06:54
nixternalor you can do like i do, and cp -r <icon theme> <custom>06:54
mhbnixternal: well, that's not "a nice" way to do that :o)06:54
nixternaland then just edit the custom and use that...i like to test different icons every now and then06:54
=== Jucato personally prefers a Kubuntu icon as default...
nixternali like the default kde icon, im just used to it i guess06:55
Jucatoyeah the KDE icon is nice too, specially the Oxygen version06:55
Jucatobut I want to display the Kubuntu logo proudly :P06:56
nixternalhmmm06:56
nixternalhas the kde icon been changed recently in oxygen?06:56
Jucatomy wallpaper is the big 3D Kubuntu logo :P06:56
Jucatonot really06:57
nixternalfrom page 7 on kde-look "search for kubuntu"06:57
Jucatojust polished a bit. but it's still the K with the gear06:57
nixternalmine is the default edgy wallpaper06:57
mhbmine too06:57
nixternalmy whole look is default..i don't functify anything anymore06:57
Jucatoheh I'm on Dapper :P06:57
nixternali have so many windoes open, the wallpaper could be black for all i know06:58
nixternalmy desktop wallpaper is like my bedroom floor...06:58
Jucatolol06:58
nixternalhaven't seen it in a while, it is covered06:58
mhbI thought a Kubuntu icon by default would be better since Ubuntu is using its own icon as well06:58
Jucatonot only Ubuntu, but Xubuntu as well06:59
nixternali don't blame ubuntu for using their own icon...otherwise the desktop would smell like dirty feet06:59
nixternal;)06:59
Jucatolol06:59
mhbno, the point of this is: IF the Kubuntu icon replaced the K one, the users should have the possibility to easily switch it back07:00
Jucatoyeah... I'm actually puzzled why there's no config file that handles the logo for K Menu07:01
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Jucatonixternal: were you talking about this? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=41388&PHPSESSID=90cfd81aef9dc4411b0d67424f67992207:02
nixternalthat is one of them...there is another one somewhere..that one is ooogly07:02
Jucatodefinitely ugly07:03
Jucatoaah  saw a better one07:03
HawkwindReplacing the K on the kicker you mean ?07:03
HawkwindIf so, that is actually very easily changed to whatever you want07:03
Jucatoreplacing the icon used for K Menu on Kicker07:04
HawkwindRight.  Easily changed07:04
Jucatowithout having to change icon names manually?07:04
HawkwindIt's a simple edit of a file07:04
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JucatoHawkwind: please do share. I think that's what mhb is looking for07:04
HawkwindLet me find the how-to on my LFD forums here in a minute07:05
Tonio_Lure: ping ?07:05
LureTonio_: hi07:05
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HawkwindJucato: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=272.007:06
Tonio_Lure: hey ;) I'm just trying to compile knetworkmanager from svn, but it looks like we need po files too since I'm getting error due to undeclared strings07:06
Tonio_Lure: Any idea where to get those ?07:06
HawkwindJucato: That's the basics of it there.  Just have to substitute the file name accordingly since that how-to I wrote for Mandriva some time ago07:07
JucatoHawkwind: like I said, manually editing the icon names. not very pretty07:07
HawkwindJucato: No other way to do it though really07:07
Jucatothat's what mhb was asking about07:07
Tonio_Lure: /tmp/buildd/knetworkmanager-0.1~svn-r575138/./src/knetworkmanager.cpp:38: error: 'KNETWORKMANAGER_VERSION' was not declared in this scope07:08
LureTonio_: let me look into this...07:08
Tonio_Lure: I could patch the source since it is temporary stuff, but I'd like to do it properly ;)07:08
Tonio_I must say I never got those from kde svn so I don't know where it is07:09
HawkwindJucato: A simple and easy bash script would solve the problem real quick :P07:09
JucatoHawkwind: yes, but still not the same way you change icons for other apps. a script would be fine, but what about when the user is using a theme other than Crystal SVG and wants to use the Kubuntu icon?07:10
HawkwindJucato: I agree there should be an option like right clicking on the icon.  But that isn't the case currently :(07:11
Jucatoanyway, I think there really is no easy way around it. so... :)07:11
HawkwindJucato: Maybe a file a wishlist bug upstream or something ?07:12
Jucatomaybe it's hardcoded in /usr/lib/kde3/menu_panelapplet.so?07:13
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LureTonio_: are you looking just for .pot file or also .po files?07:55
mhbI wonder ... was Kaffeine stripped of its DVB-T functionality or it's just a plugin missing by default in Edgy?07:57
Tonio_Lure: just pot file should be enough08:03
Tonio_Lure: my issue is just a matter of strings declaration08:03
LureTonio_: pot file can be done with sh admin/cvs.sh extractmessages08:03
LureTonio_: did you use svn2dist?08:03
Tonio_Lure: nope, svn co08:04
LureTonio_: it looks like svn2dist should create po stuff08:04
Tonio_Lure: can you give me informations concerning svn2dist ?08:04
Tonio_Lure: interesting08:04
LureTonio_: it picks it up from l10n/ dir in svn08:04
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Tonio_Lure: sh admin/cvs.sh extractmessages doesn't work...08:06
Tonio_Lure: okay seya, I'll see with svn2dist08:07
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LureTonio_: svn co kdereview08:15
LureTonio_: svn2dist kdereview knetworkmanager08:15
Tonio_Lure: great thanks08:16
Tonio_Lure: I can't install the package right now since I have a broken kdebase installation08:17
Tonio_Lure: I'm testing my new packages and I'll do this after08:17
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Tonio_Riddell: ping when you're there plz :) There is a kind of messy stuff in kdelibs, hardcoded stuff in makefile.in file........10:06
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Tonio_Riddell: hum, okay I found the reason, uudecode missing while buildpreping10:39
Tonio_Riddell: but I wonder the reason there is a difference is the way to get action/suspend.png icons in (via cdbs diff.uu patch) and devices/suspend.png, via debian rules10:40
Tonio_Riddell: if you have a second to explain this to me :)10:40
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danimohi11:17
danimoimbrandon: ping?11:18
RiddellTonio_: hi11:30
danimoRiddell: I still have problems with usb keys11:32
danimoRiddell: known issue or something wrong on my side?11:33
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danimoRiddell: the mediamanager pops up, but it says "Unknown URL" as soon as I hit "OK" to mount the device11:33
Riddelldanimo: new patches only went in today, (actually I havn't checked that they even did that)11:33
danimoRiddell: did it work before?11:33
danimoRiddell: it's broken for me for some weeks now11:33
Tonio_Riddell: [23:21]  <Tonio_> Riddell: knetworkmanager tested and working, I'm responding to timo11:35
Tonio_Riddell: I was on the bad tab...11:35
Tonio_Riddell: concerning kdelibs, is there a reason the different uuencoded icons are not installed the same way ?11:36
RiddellTonio_: I have no idea why we have two suspend icons and two ways of patching it11:36
Tonio_Riddell: yes, that confused me a lot.....11:36
RiddellI don't see devices/suspend.png installed on my system11:37
Tonio_Riddell: concerning the makefile problem, I just got uudecode remove somehow...11:37
Riddelldanimo: I'll test it after I do this daily CD install test11:37
Tonio_Riddell: yeah, it can't be installed, since makefiles have to be generated with icons in the source tree11:38
Tonio_Riddell: I assume that's package issue, maybe we should clean this part, as files aren't installed, and we apparently don't need them11:38
RiddellTonio_: the suspend icon should be the one that looks like a yellow quit icon11:39
danimoRiddell: I suspect the problem is that I bootstrapped from a chroot11:39
Tonio_Riddell: yeah, I'll uudecode the uninstalled icons to see if that's duplicates, or a debian thing we don't need11:40
Tonio_Riddell: I'm just uploading kdelibs to my ftp, testing and confirming you it works11:41
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Tonio_Riddell: WOW, it works very nicelly :)11:55
Tonio_Riddell: good points : if kds isn't installed, it doesn't prompt and gives the normal konqueror message.11:55
Tonio_Riddell: and if the cpu isn't x86, same behavior, normal konqueror message.11:56
Tonio_Riddell: ROCKING !11:56
Tonio_Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/to_test/11:56
Tonio_Riddell: kds + kdelibs packages for the flash installer, and konqueror + its dependancies + kds for the view chooser button11:57
Tonio_anyone wanted to test is welcome12:03
Tonio_Riddell: you'll love it :)12:04
RiddellI'm sure I will :)12:05

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