=== DaSkreech [n=student@port0122-abg-s-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === crimsun [n=crimsun@dargo.trilug.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:36] Heya [01:36] hey [01:37] Hi ryanakca === jdong angrily pulls up terminal and issues a sync === jdong mumbles a bit about KDE === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.192.127] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-48-254.w90-0.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:56] morning all [02:57] heya freeflying === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.221.160.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:23] moin Hobbsee! [03:23] why isn't/how would I get kdeutils listed as a "Product" in launchpad so that I can link an upstream bug to it? [03:24] hey Jucato [03:24] i'm not sure that "upstream product" matters [03:25] i tend to set it to kdebase, and just link the bug numbetr [03:25] kk [03:25] bug 58049 [03:25] Malone bug 58049 in kdeutils "Kgpg crashes when I sign/verify clipboard" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58049 [03:26] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129267 [03:26] KDE bug 129267 in general "Kgpg editor crashes when decrypting" [Crash,New] [03:27] btw, if the master bug triagers hunt me down... *makes sure to point to Hobbsee* [03:27] haha === Jucato takes note of that... [03:27] well, yeah...i'm in -qa, so i'm expected to get it right, i think [03:27] who's the master bug triager anyway? [03:27] IntegrityError [03:27] A server error occurred. [03:27] dholbach or sflaw? === Hobbsee shrugs [03:28] Hobbsee: you are? :) [03:28] i dont think there is one [03:28] those two... [03:28] ah sflaw I think.. (Simon Law, right?) [03:28] nope [03:28] yep [03:28] yes, in montreal :) [03:29] I think you mean seb. [03:29] (or are you asking who heads up QA?) === Jucato is now confused.... === ryanakca doesn't know [03:30] I was just saying that if someone hunts me down and lectures me, I'll tell them that they have the wrong person, and that hobbsee blackmailed me into doing it [03:30] seb has a ridiculous amount of karma from bug triaging, so he's who I'd consider to be the "master" [03:30] sfflaw heads up QA [03:30] ok :) [03:31] heh === ajmitch is somewhere near the bottom of the list [03:33] any chance of KDE bug 133388 being fixed before Edgy is released? [03:33] KDE bug 133388 in general "Manage Repositories is disabled" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133388 === rideout [n=rideout@71-215-74-199.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:35] Jucato: ask mornfall [03:35] Hobbsee: do I really really have to?? *gulps* [03:35] sure, he's not going to eat you === Hobbsee hugs mornfall [03:35] heh === Jucato wonders if mornfall is available for comment... [03:36] Hey Mornfall, wonderful day, isn't it, eh? [03:36] Jucato: seee, that wasn't so hard... you try :P [03:37] lol [03:37] intentionally misspelling his name doesn't count :P [03:37] well, his name was mentioned 3x already, so I'm presuming he's not available. :) [03:38] yikes! it's 1am in UTC... [03:38] 1:37 [03:38] oh yeah... took a quick glance and didn't notice the minutes :) [03:40] hm... Katapult's Documents catalog doesn't search recursively into folders, right? you have to specify the path starthing from $HOME? [03:40] hehe, i'm getting bugged about being the maintainer of kopete, instead of apachelogger === Hobbsee should really change that field [03:41] Hobbsee: ooh apachelogger is going to having a "timeout" so you'll probably be doing that soon anyway... === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:41] ah right [03:42] it's the fact that i usually modify it, i tend to do the bugfixes, and apachelogger's patches seem to be on crack sometimes anyway. [03:42] so i have to go thru them with a fine tooth comb [03:43] http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2006/09/timeoutlogger_25.html :( [03:44] fair enough === Hobbsee contemplates going for core. [03:44] go for it! :P [03:44] nah. not yet [03:45] maybe edgy+1 where there's a whole lot more main stuff to be merged [03:45] and take your rightful place beside Riddellll :P [03:45] heh [03:45] that's the edgy+2 developer conference, i hope === imbrandon yawns [03:45] heya Jucato [03:46] then again, i can just make imbrandon upload my stuff. [03:46] lol [03:46] hi imbrandon!! sleepy after a good dinner? :) [03:46] Hobbsee, you not comming to mountain view ? [03:46] imbrandon already sits at the other side of Riddel :P === imbrandon was gonna buy a long pointy stick just for the conf [03:46] imbrandon: nope === ajmitch should do core dev stuff some day [03:46] and Tonio*_ and raphink [03:47] ajmitch: yes, DO SOME WORK, kthnksbye! [03:47] ajmitch, i thought you were core ? [03:47] :) [03:47] imbrandon: I am, I mean doing the work [03:47] rather than just mono/f-spot [03:47] ahh ;) [03:47] I have upstart mostly patched :) [03:48] i've only touched amarok and k-d-s in main so far, but then again the freeze kinda kinked me right away [03:48] ahh i take that back i did kdebase and kdelibs once too [03:48] still [03:48] havent done a whole lot so far [03:49] that was my problem in dapper [03:51] hrm can the qt spin edit box contain strings instead of numbers ? === Hobbsee did a kdebase upload too, iirc [03:53] yea i did a few, but i mean since main [03:53] yea you did a few too [03:53] iirc === imbrandon tickles Hobbsee then ducks under the atable [04:00] lol [04:00] s/atable/table === Hobbsee tickles imbrandon, spears him with her long pointy stick of doom, roasts him over the bonfire, and eats him too. [04:00] hah [04:01] lol === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:10] when I look in here & see Hobbsee doing things like that, I really have to wonder... [04:10] hehe [04:11] ajmitch: you're lucky that didnt happen while you were here [04:11] I'd be running for the plance [04:11] s/plance/plane/ [04:12] hehe [04:12] you were anyway :P [04:12] true [04:17] ajmitch: so are you going to come near me in january? or are you too scared? :P [04:17] let me think about that [04:17] hehe [04:18] ooh... TUX's new editor is an Aussie (did I spell that right?) :P [04:19] yes , and what is TUX ? [04:19] ( other than the penguin ) [04:19] TUX Magazine [04:19] never seen it === Hobbsee does, at times [04:20] heh. sister publication of Linux Journal, but more oriented towards mere mortals (like me :P) === Hobbsee is a mere mortal [04:20] since when did the QOTU become a mere mortal? :P === imbrandon hugs Hobbsee, no your not [04:21] yes i am! [04:21] i never read any print magazines ( nor ever see them ) [04:21] as far as i know, i can still be killed off :P [04:21] imbrandon: it's not in print - it's over the net === imbrandon stabs Hobbsee, nope , no blood [04:21] Hobbsee can still be detached :P [04:22] lol === Hobbsee dies bloodily all over imbrandon [04:22] lol [04:22] hrm i wonder how doublin is going [04:22] Hobbsee is just an alias anyway [04:22] :P [04:22] one i answer to [04:22] imbrandon: they're all in PDF format. it's free, but by next year it will have US$ 10/yr subscription fee [04:22] yea for 008 [04:23] Jucato, cool [04:23] well basicly is it dosent have an rss feed , or its not in a man page i dont regularly read it [04:23] ;) [04:23] heh [04:23] RSS ftw! [04:23] s/is/if [04:23] so you don't read docbooks and wikis? :P [04:24] a few printed BOOKS now and then, but mostly refrence stuff or sci fiction [04:24] meet docbook2man or whatever it is :P [04:24] hehe [04:24] heh but the KDE/Kubuntu help pages are in docbook format right? :P [04:24] oh well, that's nixternl's stuff :) [04:25] Jucato, you should read "god debris" sometime, you would like it ( free pdf book ) === Jucato Googles [04:25] like ~130 pages [04:25] its by scott adams iirc === Jucato likes PDF's because he can put it in his phone [04:26] i can read pdf's and txt on my ipod but that dont make it easy on the small screen ;) [04:27] heh [04:27] that's why I love smartphones... [04:27] which is another reason why I need to get a new one... :( [04:27] audio books ftw [04:27] imbrandon: people are wondering about amarok/libtag stuff - is it our bug, or upstream? also,there are lots of nasty new bugs in amarok, it seems [04:27] + podcasts [04:27] also, if someone feels like examining kaffeine, that'd probably be wise [04:28] Hobbsee, i've answerd most of them, its a libtag issue upstream [04:28] ah right === poningru_ [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:28] 99% of the problems is they are taging or retagging stuff on a netwrk drive or a VERY large collection [04:28] *nods* [04:28] fair enough [04:29] but yea it needs to be fixed, and upstream is aware ;) [04:29] heh [04:29] nah...lets just keep having buggy software :P [04:29] hehe === Hobbsee pokes imbrandon at kaffeine === Hobbsee remembers kaffeine in dapper. ouch. [04:31] heh [04:31] oh kwap... [04:31] can anyone confirm that some apps, like KWord and KDissert can't be found in Add/Remove programs? (Both GNOME and Adept) [04:32] and where do I flle such a bug? since it seems both are affected? :( [04:33] LP === imbrandon is listening to "Te Aviso, Te Anuncio (Tango)" by Shakira on Laundry Service [Amarok] [04:34] ooh Shakira :P [04:34] imbrandon: interesting tastes.. ;) [04:34] heh [04:34] ajmitch: he's usually listening to shakira [04:34] how disturbing [04:34] i listen to just about everything ( music wise ) [04:34] Hobbsee, nah thats just the last cd i bought ;) [04:35] :P === imbrandon is listening to "Double Violin Concerto Vivace" by Bach [Amarok] [04:35] ^^ that alot too [04:38] Jucato, i'm not sure how the programs get picked to show in add/remove [04:38] probably would need to ask someone more familiar with it than me [04:39] but i can confirm those dont show, but i dunno if they are supose to etc [04:40] yeah. Burgundavia said it's supposed to show and to file a bug. I just didn't know where... [04:41] well if you were doing it in kde , it would be adept, i dont know about gnome [04:41] i'm guessing synaptic but i dont know for sure [04:42] adept_installer = gnome-app-install. They both don't show KWord. so it might be something they have in common? [04:45] adept installer is in the source package adept though [04:45] i would start there, someone will track it down [04:46] ok. thanks for the guidance :) [04:46] when it gets triaged [04:46] lol... I'm trying my best to give the triager less work to do. As I've been on the receiving end of trying to mark 8 duplicate bug reports :P [04:59] imbrandon: do you know if shipit will stop shipping free CD's starting Edgy? [05:01] no they wont [05:02] they are shipping dapper only [05:02] ah ok. thanks for confirming :) [05:02] they ship free still but will only ship dapper [05:02] not edgy ( since dapper is LTS ) [05:03] fyi its in the news letter #14 Jucato [05:03] oh [05:03] lol I didn't notice sorry :) [05:25] so, i was just checking what major packages still need python2.3, and the only one i saw (that i use) is scribus. Can we build it with 2.4? [05:29] i just checked, debian is using 2.4 in sid [05:30] we could probably just merge then after the beta freeze [05:30] i'm new to this, should i email the motu list? what is the best way to go about it? [05:31] scribus is main iirc ( will have to look ) and you are in the right place for kde* stuff [05:31] yea scribus is main so its us in here to take care of it [05:35] btw hi and welcom rideout ;) [05:35] welcome* [05:37] hello, just to introduce myself, since I'd like to start helping out a bit more, I'm student in Colorado, USA, and run my own POS software company [05:37] I just came over from debian [05:37] cool , yea hang out in here and MOTU is the best way to get a feel for things [05:38] we are at the end of cycle right now so thing smight be a bit hetic / tight to start off [05:38] but you'll catch on [05:38] s/MOTU/#ubuntu-motu [05:38] thanks [05:39] Riddell hobbsee Tonio_ _Sime raphink and myself are the main KDE types but every one helps out here and there as they can [05:41] rideout, hrm our scribus is built with 2.4 [05:41] where did you get that info ? [05:42] brandon@horatio:~$ apt-cache show scribus|grep python [05:42] Depends: libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libc6 (>= 2.4-1), libcupsys2 (>= 1.2.1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libjpeg62, liblcms1 (>= 1.08-1), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.6), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), libtiff4, libx11-6, libxml2 (>= 2.6.26), python2.4 (>= 2.3.90), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), gs-gpl (>= 8.01) | gs-afpl (>= 8.14) | gs-esp (>= 7.07), python-tk [05:42] ^^ python2.4 (>=2.3.90) [05:42] apt-cache show scribus-ng | grep python [05:42] actually I was talking about the wrong package [05:43] ahh ok, and thats in universe too === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.65] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:43] if we do that the next few days ( before the 28th ) we can get it in [05:43] i'll look at the merge later [05:44] hrm actualy it dosent look like there is a ubuntu delta [05:44] just needs a testbuild from sid [05:45] I just finished downloading the sid source, I'll see if it has any issues [05:46] i have it building in an edgy pbuilder now, looking makeing sure it hasent already be requested for a sync === fdoving [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:54] testing dcop === fdoving [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:42] is listening to Yankee Bayonet (I Will Be Home Then) by The Decemberists [amarok] === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:09] heya === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@58.69.16.78] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:15] heya Hobbsee === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:17] hey imbrandon [08:17] hi Hobbsee! [08:17] hey Jucato === Hobbsee wonders if a meeting was ever decided on [08:19] i have it sitting in the pending queue for 2100 thursday , just waiting on Riddell to say its cool [08:19] oh... [08:20] which thursday? [08:20] next thursday, or the one in 2 days? [08:20] next , to get beta out the dorr first [08:20] good [08:20] door* [08:21] ;) [08:21] hehe [08:21] the dorr too [08:21] so not this thursday? [08:21] ah yeah, akademy... silly e [08:21] s/e/me [08:22] i finly got my last.fm tagging going correctly on my blog now ;) [08:22] i waste alot of time lol [08:22] heh [08:22] heh [08:22] oh yeah, akademy too [08:22] definetly not this thurs then [08:22] that's good, for me... [08:23] gives me lots of time to see if my ISP will allow me to be there... === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:25] heh looks like some users from the forums are beginning to look at Epiphany as an alternative to Firefox :) [08:25] oh krap!! I forgot not to mention the f**** word... [08:26] they've been doign that for a while, Jucato [08:26] oh yeah, forums, i'm supposed to email them... [08:26] Hobbsee: what are you going to tell them? [08:26] Jucato: how we can best use them to help us out [08:27] well they've been recently giving Epiphany another chance in light of what's happening with Debian and MozCo [08:27] rather than just saying "i want i want i want GIMME IT NOW" and then nothing happening === Hobbsee recently sent all of that topic to /dev/null [08:27] heh [08:27] hm... let me get some links [08:28] i hate to say it, but epiphany would have been used as the default long ago if it was any good [08:28] seeing as it's smaller [08:28] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumIntegration | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=255516 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BridgingUbuntu <--- these might help? === ubotu_ [n=ubotu@81.171.100.21] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee nods :) [08:30] yep, seen them :) [08:30] well, all except the first link [08:30] ah ok. :) === Jucato just wasted his time :P [08:31] nah, it's good :) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:32] :P [08:32] this dance I'm doing with my ISP is really getting to my nerves... [08:32] oh? [08:33] I'm connected in IRC and IM, but HTTP is either slower than a snail or totally non-existent [08:34] ahhh...fun === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.34.68] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@62.225.11.174] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:45] Jucato, try a diffrent ( non-your-isp ) dns server ( like opendns ) [08:47] imbrandon: ok I'll try [08:47] aaah!!! a bottle mt.dew cleared my mind a bit and calmed me down... :) === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.221.160.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:51] heh [08:52] and stawberry milk ;) [08:52] just not both at the same time :P [08:52] lol [08:52] though I'd personally prefer chocolate milk :D [08:53] or some guiness [08:53] right right [08:53] mmm...strawberry milk... [08:53] heh === oofus [n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rideout is listening to Yankee Bayonet (I Will Be Home Then) by The Decemberists [amarok] [08:58] I apologize, I'm tired and going sleep, and will arrive more helpful and respectful tomarow === ironrock [n=rideout@71-215-74-199.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink is now known as raphink === Jucato sighs... [09:10] I think I'll sleep this one out. [09:10] bbl [09:10] hmm? === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sebas [i=sebas@belphegor.deadlysins.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.160.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.160.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === froud [n=froud@dsl-145-55-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.34.68] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@193.1.64.6] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:53] Riddell: we need this ! http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29123 [10:53] Riddell: firefox allows the same thing, and really it makes things easier for the people ! [10:57] Riddell: that's just a kdebase patch, I'll try to implement it today and look how the things work$ [11:03] Tonio_: well I'm not sure [11:03] that allows to install flashplayer indeed, but not through packages, so we lose track of the files [11:04] but it's nice for users indeed === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.177.212] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@193.1.64.6] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:13] raphink: yes I see your point of view.... [11:13] the point is packages are nice when you know what to install [11:13] raphink: but we did the amarok mp3 plugin for the same reason : make it easier for the user [11:15] raphink: just fyi, the files are installed in the user profile, not in the system [11:21] Tonio_: i was just thinking about that sort of thing === oofus [n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:21] raphink: the flashplayer-nonfree packge does the same thing [11:22] alright [11:24] Riddell: the only point is there is not "don't bug me anymore" option [11:24] Riddell: but the amarok MP3 plugin has the same issue...... [11:24] Riddell: is that a problem for you ? [11:24] one can install flash and disable it afterwards [11:25] and about everyone installs flish so....... [11:26] s/flish/flash [11:27] Tonio_: doesn't amarok have a don't annoy me again option? [11:28] the currently flash popup in konq never seems to go away anyway :) [11:28] Riddell: nope the amarok patch doesn't do this... [11:29] Riddell: you've already tested this ? [11:29] Riddell: concerning the flashpopup I think it just prompts you as long as you didn't install it... [11:29] Riddell: btw, I'm building kdelibs to check how it works, and then decide [11:30] we can't put it in until after beta anyway === Riddelll [n=jr@193.1.64.6] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:31] Riddell hum [11:31] Riddell I would have agree after an RC, but a beta is supposed to be "still in the work" no ? [11:31] yes, but we're frozen for beta [11:32] Riddell yeah I know this, I'll just gonna test locally [11:35] please do :) [11:35] infact give us all packages to test [11:36] Riddell will do, kdelibs and kds will be required [11:37] Riddell are you okay concerning the view mode button now that I've merged the 3 buttons ? [11:37] Riddell http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/capture12.png [11:37] Riddell tool me all the night but it works :) [11:38] hmm, dunno, could you put up packages of that for me to test too? [11:38] ooh nice Tonio_! I bet everyone's going to love that :) [11:38] (or at least many will :P) [11:39] Riddell, yes I'm currently building since I have a little thing to patch too to uncheck the button, will let you know when it's done [11:40] Riddell that's kdebase + kds too, so I will probably put both flash and iconview and give you the link [11:42] Riddellthe very nice thing with the flash installer patch is it has a config file that'll go in kds, so that if we have to update the url for example, we can just upgrade kds ;) [11:43] what if they don't have k-d-s installed? [11:48] anyone have time to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3243 ? [11:55] seaLne: looking [11:56] seaLne: debian/copyright looks like it's taken from kdebindings [11:56] I'd start afresh with that file [11:56] oops [11:58] Riddell, hum, it probably won't load [11:59] Riddell I'll test with and without kds, but I need to set params in an rc file, and we are not going to hardcode this in /usr/share/kde ;) [11:59] seaLne: ping me if riddell approves [12:01] the ruby bindings ahave a GPL and a LGPL license file in the source, i'm unsure what is which [12:01] Riddell the good point with this installer is that it can be used for other things, as we just have to fill the xml file for another plugin :) === el [n=konversa@193.1.64.6] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:07] seaLne: find rdale and ask I guess [12:07] Tonio_: nice [12:07] seaLne: "postinst-has-useless-call-to-ldconfig" no idea why that's useless, the library is in /usr/lib [12:09] Riddell I think we should give a try at this : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=38915 [12:09] Riddell adblock in konqueror is quite limited and a pain to use, compared to firefox's [12:10] seaLne: oh, it's because it's not in /usr/lib so ld loader doesn't care about it [12:10] seaLne: we can ignore that anyway [12:12] yeah he's not answering on irc so far :) [12:13] sleeping in I guess [12:13] bah. sleep's overrated [12:13] seaLne: all looks good to me otherwise === kwwii [n=kwwii@193.1.64.6] has joined #kubuntu-devel === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:07] Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3251 === Ingmar [n=ingmar@248.221-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:07] i had to type my pass phrase 1 char at a time between disconects, not fun [01:16] Tonio_: fancy looking at that? [01:18] seaLne: yeah, but I can't build it, since I already have a kdebase and kdelibs on the way...... === Dace [n=dace@CMLXXXIII.voas.saunalahti.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:21] ok [01:23] seaLne: looks nice for me. [01:23] seaLne: I need to check the valid copyrights to be sure and build too. [01:23] seaLne: once I can do that I'll advocate [01:23] ta === Riddelll [n=jr@193.1.64.6] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@193.1.64.6] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddelll [n=jr@193.1.232.71] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUro [n=GNUro@host76-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:17] hi === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@134.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:20] once i came here asking about an issue of memory leak in the X, i just identified the apps which is leaking massively, it is eclipse (based on gtk). im aware it is not directly related to kubuntu, just to let you know. === Hobbsee [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:25] right, i'm in the correct room now === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@134.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === hunger [n=tobias@193.1.232.92] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Dace [n=dace@CMLXXXIII.voas.saunalahti.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@94.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:44] ooh, shiny, firefox 2.0RC1 out [02:46] nice :) [02:46] is it any good? [02:47] Hobbsee: just downloaded the tarball, still looking around :) [02:47] more minor icon tweaks... [02:47] ahh [02:48] but overall I don't see anything too different from beta 2 [02:48] at least in the features department [02:48] I'm sure they fixed a lot of glitches [02:49] hum. it looks like meanwhile needs to be bumped to main, and been made a dep of gaim. === Hobbsee contemplates fixing it after the freeze === Jucato wonders what will happen to Firefox in Ubuntu... [02:53] Jucato: 2.0rc will probably go in after beta freeze [02:53] 2.0 final will go into edgy-updates or edgy-security when it's released [02:53] jdong: I was referring to the *cough*issue*cough* [02:53] the 'issue'? === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:53] which issue is this? [02:53] oh [02:53] iceweasel? [02:53] actually it's more of a Debian-MozCo thing [02:54] honestly just go back to the official firefox icon.... [02:54] Ubuntu can do that, right? Debian ain't so lucky [02:54] well... if we are willing to, yes [02:55] but I don't like the idea of being restricted in that way either [02:55] yeah, please :) [02:55] it's much prettier [02:55] but that would mean putting Firefox in restricted, right? [02:55] Jucato: quite possibly, yes === Hobbsee_ [n=user@CPE-144-136-125-169.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:55] heh.. so I guessed right :P [02:55] Jucato: and mozilla needs to approve all patches [02:55] ouch.. that would hurt, wouldn't it? [02:55] which is IMO too much meddling on mozilla's part, yes [02:55] Hobbsee: stop dancing! :P [02:55] sorry... [02:55] if that's the case, I'd rather us go with iceweasel [02:56] though windows newcomers will all say WTF [02:56] yeah... [02:56] but that doesn't matter... we're already king of weird names [02:56] (or go with Epiphany instead...) [02:56] put it this way.... it's a better name than Linspire LBrowser [02:56] hm... [02:57] Ubrowse :P [03:00] uBrowse [03:01] heh [03:01] then will Thunderbird become uMail? [03:01] UBrowse, like USplash? :P [03:01] hm... === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.65] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["The] === el [n=konversa@193.1.232.192] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddelll [n=jr@193.1.232.193] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@193.1.232.192] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@193.1.232.192] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:41] Heya [04:41] hi bddebian! [04:41] Hello Jucato === kwwii [n=kwwii@193.1.232.178] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@193.1.232.192] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:42] hi [04:42] hellp [04:42] Hello kwwii [04:42] hello [04:43] oo kwwii el!! hellow! [04:43] kwwii: how's in akademy? === el [n=konversa@193.1.232.192] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:45] Tm_T: great [04:45] howdy Jucato [04:46] hi bddebian [04:46] el's dancing just like Hobbsee :) [04:46] working hard, actually [04:46] heh [04:46] go go go! work hard for Oxygen and KDE 4! heh === Hobbsee doesnt dance :P [04:46] getting lots of response on edgy, actually, it is really good [04:46] Hobbsee: with enough to drink I bet you would :p [04:47] add right music and atmosphere [04:47] kwwii: i dont drink. that's easy. [04:47] Hobbsee: oh you do, water atleast [04:47] Hobbsee: well you did dance in and out the channel earlier :P [04:47] yeah, water. [04:47] :P [04:47] we'll get you drunk on water :P [04:47] Tm_T: that doesnt get me intoxicated though [04:47] Hobbsee: it can, just try [04:48] drink one litre as fast as possible, you'll see [04:48] hah. [04:48] i'll pass on that too - that'll just make me sick. :P [04:48] my mother get nasty effects from 3 dl but most of the people need more [04:49] stories over, now off -> [04:50] hehe [04:50] kwwii: that could be kinda amusing to try though. [04:51] kwwii: do they like the purple theme? :P === pascalFR [i=B7sy8S5N@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ernst_ [n=ernst@adsl-dc-3c4c8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:01] hey everyone [05:01] heya [05:01] hi Hobbsee [05:02] I need a bit of advice :o) [05:02] as you might (not) know, I am a translator, one of the admins of the Czech l10n team, and kind of responsible for the Kubuntu Czech translation [05:03] ahh :) [05:03] and I encountered a problem that is beyond my reach. === Hobbsee knows nothing [05:03] unfortunately [05:04] Even though I made sure Adept is 100% translated, it still keeps on talking in English to me :oI [05:04] ooh Adept... [05:05] yeah, Adept :oI other applications are fine (at least they behave normally and are translated). All locales are set well. === Hobbsee notes that mornfall is not here [05:07] should I wait for somebody then? [05:07] mhb: is everything in English? or just some things? [05:07] Riddell: that's the strange thing [05:08] don't you need to select the KDE language for root? [05:08] somehow. [05:08] Riddell: some things are translated, some aren't - in one app - even when it is 100% translated and the .mos should be fine (daily langpacks) === mhb is going to check the .mo files again [05:09] mhb: just adept or other apps too? [05:10] Tonio_: ping [05:10] mhb: try to run 'sudo kcmshell language' - does it say english as default? [05:11] fdoving: thanks, I'll try that [05:13] fdoving: weird, it actually did [05:13] mhb: does changing it affect anything? [05:13] Riddell: actually, it looks like more apps are behaving like that [05:15] Lure: pong [05:15] mhb: can it relate to what's run as root? after you get prompted for the password? [05:15] Jucato: yes, everyone seems to like the purple (I guess there is enough blue in it now) [05:15] Tonio_: you mentioned once how to do bios upgrade on laptop w/o windows or floppy - I do not recall the name of the software [05:15] fdoving: no [05:15] kwwii: that's great news! :) [05:16] Lure: heh, I didn't mention the name of it since I didn't find any solution [05:16] Lure: what you can do if you have to use winflash is use a bartpe cd [05:16] Tonio_: ok, that was probably it [05:16] it is hacked windows made cd bootable [05:17] Lure: the problem is that you need windows to create it [05:17] Riddell: it's like 50% strings in one menu are English and 50% Czech [05:17] Tonio_: windows install CD or installed version? [05:17] Riddell: even though the application is completely translated [05:17] mhb: in adept or everything? [05:17] Lure: you need i386 folder, either from the cd or hdd [05:17] Tonio_: ok, will find some at work... ;-) [05:18] Riddell: now that I look at it, it seems like it's affecting more apps [05:18] hehe, probably yes ;) [05:18] mhb: sounds like the stock strings problem, what language and which language packs is this? [05:18] Riddell: Do you think it's worth it to install Knot3 again? [05:18] Riddell: and test it [05:19] (I had installed Knot1 a while ago, then updated) [05:20] Riddell: it's the Czech language pack, at least the KDE part (no such reports from my Ubuntu translator friends) [05:20] mhb: no, wasn't fixed for that [05:21] mhb: ok, I think this should be fixed, please try again with the beta which is coming out on thursday and let me know if you still have the problem or not [05:22] Riddell: thanks :o) you're the greatest! [05:23] anyone know when KDE is going to be installable on ppc? [05:24] when someone fixes ruby [05:25] bzbb: it's release critical for beta === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpna127.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:27] alright [05:39] Tonio_: around? [05:40] Riddell: yes [05:40] Tonio_: did you upload qt4ruby? [05:40] Riddell: nope I was waiting to finish my kdebase to revu and upload, but I will do in a moment [05:40] Riddell: it is almost finished now [05:40] Tonio_: cool, thanks [05:41] Tonio_: the knetworkmanager dudes were asking Lure about testing svn head to know if it works on kubuntu to make a release, do you have time to do that? [05:42] Riddell: yes I can take that in charge for toonight and make a report [05:42] Tonio_: thanks, I'll forward the e-mail to you [05:42] Riddell: just that as we have a bunch of patches to maintain due to yast it can take a few hours :) [05:43] Riddell: http://tonio/homelinux.org/tmp/to_test/ [05:44] Riddell: here is kdelibs and kds with the stuff to install flash [05:44] Riddell: kdebase with merged view icons is coming along [05:44] Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/to_test/ sorry ;) [05:46] Tonio_: no time just now, I need to fly home and do it then, remind me if I havn't tested them by this evening [05:46] Riddell: yeah, don't miss your plane :) === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@gimel.nas.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:28] anyone remember where the kmilo key setup script isw? [06:32] heya all [06:33] hi imbrandon! :) [06:33] Riddell, commin home today ? hehe [06:34] Riddell, how is 2100 UTC /next/ thurs day for the meeting , everyone seemed ok with it but i wanted to ask you [06:35] imbrandon: 10 days time? === el [n=konversa@193.1.232.127] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:36] yea [06:36] unless oyu want ti sooner [06:36] hm... [06:36] i thought 2 days would be a little close to get everyone [06:37] e.g. this thursday , and tbh i thought you would be at akademy all week [06:38] can't do this thursday, that's beta release [06:38] so 10 days thursday is fine [06:38] ahh yea that wouldent be good hehe [06:38] hows akademy === imbrandon is jelous hehehe [06:39] i've been reading the blogs on p.k.o [06:43] speaking of beta release, now is the time to tell me what you want on the release notes....what has changed since Knot 3? I got the artwork covered ;) [06:43] anything new and exciting, or just bug fixes pretty much? [06:46] I wonder ... would it be possible for a user to choose (in systemsettings Look & Feel) whether he wants a KDE logo as K Menu button or Kubuntu logo? [06:46] mhb: there's not Kubuntu logo icon available [06:47] Jucato: not yet, I know [06:47] there is a kubuntu logo icon on kde-look [06:47] i used to use it [06:47] Jucato: but I talked to kwwii today and he mentioned this possibility [06:47] yeah, I hope there would be one actually :) [06:48] but won't changing the K Menu logo involve changing some icon names? or is there an easier way to do that? [06:49] Jucato: that's why I'm asking here [06:49] :o) [06:49] :) === Jucato hopes that there would be a hidden config file somewhere for that... [06:50] I don't know if the Kubuntu icon will make it as the default K Menu icon or not, but the question was if it did, would it be possible to switch it easily back? [06:50] or how hard would it be to code a configuration option for that [06:51] /etc/alternatives would do, I'd think [06:53] mv /usr/share/icons///apps/kmenu.png /usr/share/icons///apps/kmenu1.png [06:53] /etc/alternatives would require linking in big circles and take more time ;) [06:54] ugh.. thinking about it is hurting my head :) [06:54] haha [06:54] well, at (almost) 1am in the morning... :P [06:54] or you can do like i do, and cp -r [06:54] nixternal: well, that's not "a nice" way to do that :o) [06:54] and then just edit the custom and use that...i like to test different icons every now and then === Jucato personally prefers a Kubuntu icon as default... [06:55] i like the default kde icon, im just used to it i guess [06:55] yeah the KDE icon is nice too, specially the Oxygen version [06:56] but I want to display the Kubuntu logo proudly :P [06:56] hmmm [06:56] has the kde icon been changed recently in oxygen? [06:56] my wallpaper is the big 3D Kubuntu logo :P [06:57] not really [06:57] from page 7 on kde-look "search for kubuntu" [06:57] just polished a bit. but it's still the K with the gear [06:57] mine is the default edgy wallpaper [06:57] mine too [06:57] my whole look is default..i don't functify anything anymore [06:57] heh I'm on Dapper :P [06:58] i have so many windoes open, the wallpaper could be black for all i know [06:58] my desktop wallpaper is like my bedroom floor... [06:58] lol [06:58] haven't seen it in a while, it is covered [06:58] I thought a Kubuntu icon by default would be better since Ubuntu is using its own icon as well [06:59] not only Ubuntu, but Xubuntu as well [06:59] i don't blame ubuntu for using their own icon...otherwise the desktop would smell like dirty feet [06:59] ;) [06:59] lol [07:00] no, the point of this is: IF the Kubuntu icon replaced the K one, the users should have the possibility to easily switch it back [07:01] yeah... I'm actually puzzled why there's no config file that handles the logo for K Menu === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:02] nixternal: were you talking about this? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=41388&PHPSESSID=90cfd81aef9dc4411b0d67424f679922 [07:02] that is one of them...there is another one somewhere..that one is ooogly [07:03] definitely ugly [07:03] aah saw a better one [07:03] Replacing the K on the kicker you mean ? [07:03] If so, that is actually very easily changed to whatever you want [07:04] replacing the icon used for K Menu on Kicker [07:04] Right. Easily changed [07:04] without having to change icon names manually? [07:04] It's a simple edit of a file === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:04] Hawkwind: please do share. I think that's what mhb is looking for [07:05] Let me find the how-to on my LFD forums here in a minute [07:05] Lure: ping ? [07:05] Tonio_: hi === Jucato patiently waits for Hawkwind before he goes to sleep... [07:06] Jucato: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=272.0 [07:06] Lure: hey ;) I'm just trying to compile knetworkmanager from svn, but it looks like we need po files too since I'm getting error due to undeclared strings [07:06] Lure: Any idea where to get those ? [07:07] Jucato: That's the basics of it there. Just have to substitute the file name accordingly since that how-to I wrote for Mandriva some time ago [07:07] Hawkwind: like I said, manually editing the icon names. not very pretty [07:07] Jucato: No other way to do it though really [07:07] that's what mhb was asking about [07:08] Lure: /tmp/buildd/knetworkmanager-0.1~svn-r575138/./src/knetworkmanager.cpp:38: error: 'KNETWORKMANAGER_VERSION' was not declared in this scope [07:08] Tonio_: let me look into this... [07:08] Lure: I could patch the source since it is temporary stuff, but I'd like to do it properly ;) [07:09] I must say I never got those from kde svn so I don't know where it is [07:09] Jucato: A simple and easy bash script would solve the problem real quick :P [07:10] Hawkwind: yes, but still not the same way you change icons for other apps. a script would be fine, but what about when the user is using a theme other than Crystal SVG and wants to use the Kubuntu icon? [07:11] Jucato: I agree there should be an option like right clicking on the icon. But that isn't the case currently :( [07:11] anyway, I think there really is no easy way around it. so... :) [07:12] Jucato: Maybe a file a wishlist bug upstream or something ? [07:13] maybe it's hardcoded in /usr/lib/kde3/menu_panelapplet.so? === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.177.212] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:55] Tonio_: are you looking just for .pot file or also .po files? [07:57] I wonder ... was Kaffeine stripped of its DVB-T functionality or it's just a plugin missing by default in Edgy? [08:03] Lure: just pot file should be enough [08:03] Lure: my issue is just a matter of strings declaration [08:03] Tonio_: pot file can be done with sh admin/cvs.sh extractmessages [08:03] Tonio_: did you use svn2dist? [08:04] Lure: nope, svn co [08:04] Tonio_: it looks like svn2dist should create po stuff [08:04] Lure: can you give me informations concerning svn2dist ? [08:04] Lure: interesting [08:04] Tonio_: it picks it up from l10n/ dir in svn === Lure bbl - have to get kids in bed [08:06] Lure: sh admin/cvs.sh extractmessages doesn't work... [08:07] Lure: okay seya, I'll see with svn2dist === claydoh [n=clay@216.220.229.136] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:15] Tonio_: svn co kdereview [08:15] Tonio_: svn2dist kdereview knetworkmanager [08:16] Lure: great thanks [08:17] Lure: I can't install the package right now since I have a broken kdebase installation [08:17] Lure: I'm testing my new packages and I'll do this after === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.32.30] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@gimel.nas.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUro [n=GNUro@host76-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:06] hi === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Tonio_ [n=tonio@94.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@gimel.nas.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@216.220.229.136] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:06] Riddell: ping when you're there plz :) There is a kind of messy stuff in kdelibs, hardcoded stuff in makefile.in file........ === Jozo-_ [i=jozo@viola.uninea.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:39] Riddell: hum, okay I found the reason, uudecode missing while buildpreping [10:40] Riddell: but I wonder the reason there is a difference is the way to get action/suspend.png icons in (via cdbs diff.uu patch) and devices/suspend.png, via debian rules [10:40] Riddell: if you have a second to explain this to me :) === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Kuhrscher [n=jannick@88.134.177.107] has joined #kubuntu-devel === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:17] hi [11:18] imbrandon: ping? [11:30] Tonio_: hi [11:32] Riddell: I still have problems with usb keys [11:33] Riddell: known issue or something wrong on my side? === hunger [n=tobias@193.1.233.13] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:33] Riddell: the mediamanager pops up, but it says "Unknown URL" as soon as I hit "OK" to mount the device [11:33] danimo: new patches only went in today, (actually I havn't checked that they even did that) [11:33] Riddell: did it work before? [11:33] Riddell: it's broken for me for some weeks now [11:35] Riddell: [23:21] Riddell: knetworkmanager tested and working, I'm responding to timo [11:35] Riddell: I was on the bad tab... [11:36] Riddell: concerning kdelibs, is there a reason the different uuencoded icons are not installed the same way ? [11:36] Tonio_: I have no idea why we have two suspend icons and two ways of patching it [11:36] Riddell: yes, that confused me a lot..... [11:37] I don't see devices/suspend.png installed on my system [11:37] Riddell: concerning the makefile problem, I just got uudecode remove somehow... [11:37] danimo: I'll test it after I do this daily CD install test [11:38] Riddell: yeah, it can't be installed, since makefiles have to be generated with icons in the source tree [11:38] Riddell: I assume that's package issue, maybe we should clean this part, as files aren't installed, and we apparently don't need them [11:39] Tonio_: the suspend icon should be the one that looks like a yellow quit icon [11:39] Riddell: I suspect the problem is that I bootstrapped from a chroot [11:40] Riddell: yeah, I'll uudecode the uninstalled icons to see if that's duplicates, or a debian thing we don't need [11:41] Riddell: I'm just uploading kdelibs to my ftp, testing and confirming you it works === jott_ [n=j@unaffiliated/jott] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:55] Riddell: WOW, it works very nicelly :) [11:55] Riddell: good points : if kds isn't installed, it doesn't prompt and gives the normal konqueror message. [11:56] Riddell: and if the cpu isn't x86, same behavior, normal konqueror message. [11:56] Riddell: ROCKING ! [11:56] Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/to_test/ [11:57] Riddell: kds + kdelibs packages for the flash installer, and konqueror + its dependancies + kds for the view chooser button [12:03] anyone wanted to test is welcome [12:04] Riddell: you'll love it :) [12:05] I'm sure I will :)