[01:36] <bddebian> Heya
[01:36] <ryanakca> hey
[01:37] <bddebian> Hi ryanakca
[02:56] <freeflying> morning all
[02:57] <imbrandon> heya freeflying
[03:23] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee!
[03:23] <ryanakca> why isn't/how would I get kdeutils listed as a "Product" in launchpad so that I can link an upstream bug to it?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[03:24] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure that "upstream product" matters
[03:25] <Hobbsee> i tend to set it to kdebase, and just link the bug numbetr
[03:25] <ryanakca> kk
[03:25] <ryanakca> bug 58049
[03:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58049 in kdeutils "Kgpg crashes when I sign/verify clipboard" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58049
[03:26] <ryanakca> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129267
[03:26] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 129267 in general "Kgpg editor crashes when decrypting" [Crash,New]  
[03:27] <ryanakca> btw, if the master bug triagers hunt me down... *makes sure to point to Hobbsee*
[03:27] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:27] <Hobbsee> well, yeah...i'm in -qa, so i'm expected to get it right, i think
[03:27] <Jucato> who's the master bug triager anyway?
[03:27] <ryanakca> IntegrityError
[03:27] <ryanakca> A server error occurred.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> dholbach or sflaw?
[03:28] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you are? :)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> i dont think there is one
[03:28] <ryanakca> those two...
[03:28] <Jucato> ah sflaw I think.. (Simon Law, right?)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> nope
[03:28] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:28] <ryanakca> yes, in montreal :)
[03:29] <crimsun> I think you mean seb.
[03:29] <crimsun> (or are you asking who heads up QA?)
[03:30] <ryanakca> I was just saying that if someone hunts me down and lectures me, I'll tell them that they have the wrong person, and that hobbsee blackmailed me into doing it
[03:30] <crimsun> seb has a ridiculous amount of karma from bug triaging, so he's who I'd consider to be the "master"
[03:30] <crimsun> sfflaw heads up QA
[03:30] <Jucato> ok :)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:33] <Jucato> any chance of KDE bug 133388 being fixed before Edgy is released?
[03:33] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 133388 in general "Manage Repositories is disabled" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133388
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ask mornfall 
[03:35] <Jucato> Hobbsee: do I really really have to?? *gulps*
[03:35] <Hobbsee> sure, he's not going to eat you
[03:35] <Jucato> heh
[03:36] <ryanakca> Hey Mornfall, wonderful day, isn't it, eh?
[03:36] <ryanakca> Jucato: seee, that wasn't so hard... you try :P
[03:37] <Jucato> lol
[03:37] <Jucato> intentionally misspelling his name doesn't count :P
[03:37] <Jucato> well, his name was mentioned 3x already, so I'm presuming he's not available. :)
[03:38] <Jucato> yikes! it's 1am in UTC... 
[03:38] <imbrandon> 1:37
[03:38] <Jucato> oh yeah... took a quick glance and didn't notice the minutes :)
[03:40] <Jucato> hm... Katapult's Documents catalog doesn't search recursively into folders, right? you have to specify the path starthing from $HOME?
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hehe, i'm getting bugged about being the maintainer of kopete, instead of apachelogger
[03:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ooh apachelogger is going to having a "timeout" so you'll probably be doing that soon anyway...
[03:41] <Hobbsee> ah right
[03:42] <Hobbsee> it's the fact that i usually modify it, i tend to do the bugfixes, and apachelogger's patches seem to be on crack sometimes anyway.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> so i have to go thru them with a fine tooth comb
[03:43] <Jucato> http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2006/09/timeoutlogger_25.html :(
[03:44] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[03:44] <Jucato> go for it! :P
[03:44] <Hobbsee> nah.  not yet
[03:45] <Hobbsee> maybe edgy+1 where there's a whole lot more main stuff to be merged
[03:45] <Jucato> and take your rightful place beside Riddellll :P
[03:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:45] <Hobbsee> that's the edgy+2 developer conference, i hope
[03:45] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[03:46] <Hobbsee> then again, i can just make imbrandon upload my stuff.
[03:46] <imbrandon> lol 
[03:46] <Jucato> hi imbrandon!! sleepy after a good dinner? :)
[03:46] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, you not comming to mountain view ?
[03:46] <Jucato> imbrandon already sits at the other side of Riddel :P
[03:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nope
[03:46] <Hobbsee> and Tonio*_ and raphink
[03:47] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes, DO SOME WORK, kthnksbye!
[03:47] <imbrandon> ajmitch, i thought you were core ?
[03:47] <Jucato> :)
[03:47] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I am, I mean doing the work
[03:47] <ajmitch> rather than just mono/f-spot
[03:47] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[03:47] <ajmitch> I have upstart mostly patched :)
[03:48] <imbrandon> i've only touched amarok and k-d-s in main so far, but then again the freeze kinda kinked me right away
[03:48] <imbrandon> ahh i take that back i did kdebase and kdelibs once too
[03:48] <imbrandon> still
[03:48] <imbrandon> havent done a whole lot so far
[03:49] <Hobbsee> that was my problem in dapper
[03:51] <imbrandon> hrm can the qt spin edit box contain strings instead of numbers ?
[03:53] <imbrandon> yea i did a few, but i mean since main
[03:53] <imbrandon> yea you did a few too
[03:53] <imbrandon> iirc
[04:00] <Jucato> lol
[04:00] <imbrandon> s/atable/table
[04:00] <Jucato> hah
[04:01] <imbrandon> lol
[04:10] <ajmitch> when I look in here & see Hobbsee doing things like that, I really have to wonder...
[04:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:11] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you're lucky that didnt happen while you were here
[04:11] <ajmitch> I'd be running for the plance
[04:11] <ajmitch> s/plance/plane/
[04:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:12] <Hobbsee> you were anyway :P
[04:12] <ajmitch> true
[04:17] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: so are you going to come near me in january?  or are you too scared?  :P
[04:17] <ajmitch> let me think about that
[04:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:18] <Jucato> ooh... TUX's new editor is an Aussie (did I spell that right?) :P
[04:19] <imbrandon> yes , and what is TUX ?
[04:19] <imbrandon> ( other than the penguin )
[04:19] <Jucato> TUX Magazine
[04:19] <imbrandon> never seen it
[04:20] <Jucato> heh. sister publication of Linux Journal, but more oriented towards mere mortals (like me :P)
[04:20] <Jucato> since when did the QOTU become a mere mortal? :P
[04:21] <Hobbsee> yes i am!
[04:21] <imbrandon> i never read any print magazines ( nor ever see them )
[04:21] <Hobbsee> as far as i know, i can still be killed off :P
[04:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's not in print - it's over the net
[04:21] <Jucato> Hobbsee can still be detached :P
[04:22] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:22] <imbrandon> lol
[04:22] <imbrandon> hrm i wonder how doublin is going
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Hobbsee is just an alias anyway
[04:22] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:22] <Hobbsee> one i answer to
[04:22] <Jucato> imbrandon: they're all in PDF format. it's free, but by next year it will have US$ 10/yr subscription fee
[04:22] <imbrandon> yea for 008
[04:23] <imbrandon> Jucato, cool
[04:23] <imbrandon> well basicly is it dosent have an rss feed , or its not in a man page i dont regularly read it
[04:23] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:23] <Jucato> heh
[04:23] <Jucato> RSS ftw!
[04:23] <imbrandon> s/is/if
[04:23] <Jucato> so you don't read docbooks and wikis? :P
[04:24] <imbrandon> a few printed BOOKS now and then, but mostly refrence stuff or sci fiction
[04:24] <Hobbsee> meet docbook2man or whatever it is :P
[04:24] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:24] <Jucato> heh but the KDE/Kubuntu help pages are in docbook format right? :P
[04:24] <Jucato> oh well, that's nixternl's stuff :)
[04:25] <imbrandon> Jucato, you should read "god debris" sometime, you would like it ( free pdf book )
[04:25] <imbrandon> like ~130 pages
[04:25] <imbrandon> its by scott adams iirc
[04:26] <imbrandon> i can read pdf's and txt on my ipod but that dont make it easy on the small screen ;)
[04:27] <Jucato> heh
[04:27] <Jucato> that's why I love smartphones... 
[04:27] <Jucato> which is another reason why I need to get a new one... :(
[04:27] <imbrandon> audio books ftw
[04:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: people are wondering about amarok/libtag stuff - is it our bug, or upstream?  also,there are lots of nasty new bugs in amarok, it seems
[04:27] <imbrandon> + podcasts
[04:27] <Hobbsee> also, if someone feels like examining kaffeine, that'd probably be wise
[04:28] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i've answerd most of them, its a libtag issue upstream
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ah right
[04:28] <imbrandon> 99% of the problems is they are taging or retagging stuff on a netwrk drive or a VERY large collection
[04:28] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[04:28] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[04:29] <imbrandon> but yea it needs to be fixed, and upstream is aware ;)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:29] <Hobbsee> nah...lets just keep having buggy software :P
[04:29] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:31] <imbrandon> heh
[04:31] <Jucato> oh kwap... 
[04:31] <Jucato> can anyone confirm that some apps, like KWord and KDissert can't be found in Add/Remove programs? (Both GNOME and Adept)
[04:32] <Jucato> and where do I flle such a bug? since it seems both are affected? :(
[04:33] <imbrandon> LP
[04:34] <Jucato> ooh Shakira :P
[04:34] <ajmitch> imbrandon: interesting tastes.. ;)
[04:34] <imbrandon> heh
[04:34] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: he's usually listening to shakira
[04:34] <ajmitch> how disturbing
[04:34] <imbrandon> i listen to just about everything ( music wise )
[04:34] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, nah thats just the last cd i bought ;)
[04:35] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:35] <imbrandon> ^^ that alot too
[04:38] <imbrandon> Jucato, i'm not sure how the programs get picked to show in add/remove
[04:38] <imbrandon> probably would need to ask someone more familiar with it than me
[04:39] <imbrandon> but i can confirm those dont show, but i dunno if they are supose to etc
[04:40] <Jucato> yeah. Burgundavia said it's supposed to show and to file a bug. I just didn't know where...
[04:41] <imbrandon> well if you were doing it in kde , it would be adept, i dont know about gnome
[04:41] <imbrandon> i'm guessing synaptic but i dont know for sure
[04:42] <Jucato> adept_installer = gnome-app-install. They both don't show KWord. so it might be something they have in common?
[04:45] <imbrandon> adept installer is in the source package adept though
[04:45] <imbrandon> i would start there, someone will track it down
[04:46] <Jucato> ok. thanks for the guidance :)
[04:46] <imbrandon> when it gets triaged
[04:46] <Jucato> lol... I'm trying my best to give the triager less work to do. As I've been on the receiving end of trying to mark 8 duplicate bug reports :P
[04:59] <Jucato> imbrandon: do you know if shipit will stop shipping free CD's starting Edgy?
[05:01] <imbrandon> no they wont
[05:02] <imbrandon> they are shipping dapper only
[05:02] <Jucato> ah ok. thanks for confirming :)
[05:02] <imbrandon> they ship free still but will only ship dapper
[05:02] <imbrandon> not edgy ( since dapper is LTS )
[05:03] <imbrandon> fyi its in the news letter #14 Jucato
[05:03] <Jucato> oh
[05:03] <Jucato> lol I didn't notice sorry :)
[05:25] <rideout> so, i was just checking what major packages still need python2.3, and the only one i saw (that i use) is scribus. Can we build it with 2.4?
[05:29] <rideout> i just checked, debian is using 2.4 in sid
[05:30] <imbrandon> we could probably just merge then after the beta freeze
[05:30] <rideout> i'm new to this, should i email the motu list? what is the best way to go about it?
[05:31] <imbrandon> scribus is main iirc ( will have to look ) and you are in the right place for kde* stuff
[05:31] <imbrandon> yea scribus is main so its us in here to take care of it
[05:35] <imbrandon> btw hi and welcom rideout ;)
[05:35] <imbrandon> welcome*
[05:37] <rideout> hello, just to introduce myself, since I'd like to start helping out a bit more, I'm student in Colorado, USA, and run my own POS software company
[05:37] <rideout> I just came over from debian
[05:37] <imbrandon> cool , yea hang out in here and MOTU is the best way to get a feel for things
[05:38] <imbrandon> we are at the end of cycle right now so thing smight be a bit hetic / tight to start off
[05:38] <imbrandon> but you'll catch on
[05:38] <imbrandon> s/MOTU/#ubuntu-motu
[05:38] <rideout> thanks
[05:39] <imbrandon> Riddell hobbsee Tonio_ _Sime raphink and myself are the main KDE types but every one helps out here and there as they can
[05:41] <imbrandon> rideout, hrm our scribus is built with 2.4
[05:41] <imbrandon> where did you get that info ?
[05:42] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~$ apt-cache show scribus|grep python
[05:42] <imbrandon> Depends: libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libc6 (>= 2.4-1), libcupsys2 (>= 1.2.1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libjpeg62, liblcms1 (>= 1.08-1), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.6), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), libtiff4, libx11-6, libxml2 (>= 2.6.26), python2.4 (>= 2.3.90), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), gs-gpl (>= 8.01) | gs-afpl (>= 8.14) | gs-esp (>= 7.07), python-tk
[05:42] <imbrandon> ^^ python2.4 (>=2.3.90)
[05:42] <rideout> apt-cache show scribus-ng | grep python
[05:42] <rideout> actually I was talking about the wrong package
[05:43] <imbrandon> ahh ok, and thats in universe too
[05:43] <imbrandon> if we do that the next few days ( before the 28th ) we can get it in
[05:43] <imbrandon> i'll look at the merge later
[05:44] <imbrandon> hrm actualy it dosent look like there is a ubuntu delta
[05:44] <imbrandon> just needs a testbuild from sid
[05:45] <rideout> I just finished downloading the sid source, I'll see if it has any issues
[05:46] <imbrandon> i have it building in an edgy pbuilder now, looking makeing sure it hasent already be requested for a sync
[06:54] <rideout> testing dcop
[07:42] <rideout> is listening to Yankee Bayonet (I Will Be Home Then) by The Decemberists [amarok] 
[08:09] <Hobbsee> heya
[08:15] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[08:17] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon 
[08:17] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[08:17] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[08:19] <imbrandon> i have it sitting in the pending queue for 2100 thursday , just waiting on Riddell to say its cool
[08:19] <Jucato> oh...
[08:20] <Hobbsee> which thursday?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> next thursday, or the one in 2 days?
[08:20] <imbrandon> next , to get beta out the dorr first
[08:20] <Hobbsee> good
[08:20] <imbrandon> door*
[08:21] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:21] <Hobbsee> the dorr too
[08:21] <Jucato> so not this thursday?
[08:21] <Jucato> ah yeah, akademy... silly e
[08:21] <Jucato> s/e/me
[08:22] <imbrandon> i finly got my last.fm tagging going correctly on my blog now ;)
[08:22] <imbrandon> i waste alot of time lol
[08:22] <Jucato> heh
[08:22] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:22] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, akademy too
[08:22] <Hobbsee> definetly not this thurs then
[08:22] <Jucato> that's good, for me...
[08:23] <Jucato> gives me lots of time to see if my ISP will allow me to be there...
[08:25] <Jucato> heh looks like some users from the forums are beginning to look at Epiphany as an alternative to Firefox :)
[08:25] <Jucato> oh krap!! I forgot not to mention the f**** word...
[08:26] <Hobbsee> they've been doign that for a while, Jucato 
[08:26] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, forums, i'm supposed to email them...
[08:26] <Jucato> Hobbsee: what are you going to tell them?
[08:26] <Hobbsee> Jucato: how we can best use them to help us out
[08:27] <Jucato> well they've been recently giving Epiphany another chance in light of what's happening with Debian and MozCo
[08:27] <Hobbsee> rather than just saying "i want i want i want GIMME IT NOW" and then nothing happening
[08:27] <Jucato> heh
[08:27] <Jucato> hm... let me get some links
[08:28] <Hobbsee> i hate to say it, but epiphany would have been used as the default long ago if it was any good
[08:28] <Hobbsee> seeing as it's smaller
[08:28] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumIntegration | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=255516 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BridgingUbuntu <--- these might help?
[08:30] <Hobbsee> yep, seen them :)
[08:30] <Hobbsee> well, all except the first link
[08:30] <Jucato> ah ok. :)
[08:31] <Hobbsee> nah, it's good :)
[08:32] <Jucato> :P
[08:32] <Jucato> this dance I'm doing with my ISP is really getting to my nerves...
[08:32] <Hobbsee> oh?
[08:33] <Jucato> I'm connected in IRC and IM, but HTTP is either slower than a snail or totally non-existent
[08:34] <Hobbsee> ahhh...fun
[08:45] <imbrandon> Jucato, try a diffrent ( non-your-isp ) dns server ( like opendns )
[08:47] <Jucato> imbrandon: ok I'll try
[08:47] <Jucato> aaah!!! a bottle mt.dew cleared my mind a bit and calmed me down... :)
[08:51] <imbrandon> heh
[08:52] <imbrandon> and stawberry milk ;)
[08:52] <Jucato> just not both at the same time :P
[08:52] <imbrandon> lol
[08:52] <Jucato> though I'd personally prefer chocolate milk :D
[08:53] <rideout> or some guiness
[08:53] <imbrandon> right right
[08:53] <Hobbsee> mmm...strawberry milk...
[08:53] <Jucato> heh
[08:58] <rideout> I apologize, I'm tired and going sleep, and will arrive more helpful and respectful tomarow
[09:10] <Jucato> I think I'll sleep this one out.
[09:10] <Jucato> bbl
[09:10] <Hobbsee> hmm?
[10:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: we need this ! http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29123
[10:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: firefox allows the same thing, and really it makes things easier for the people !
[10:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's just a kdebase patch, I'll try to implement it today and look how the things work$
[11:03] <raphink> Tonio_: well I'm not sure
[11:03] <raphink> that allows to install flashplayer indeed, but not through packages, so we lose track of the files
[11:04] <raphink> but it's nice for users indeed
[11:13] <Tonio_> raphink: yes I see your point of view....
[11:13] <Tonio_> the point is packages are nice when you know what to install
[11:13] <Tonio_> raphink: but we did the amarok mp3 plugin for the same reason : make it easier for the user
[11:15] <Tonio_> raphink: just fyi, the files are installed in the user profile, not in the system
[11:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: i was just thinking about that sort of thing
[11:21] <Riddell> raphink: the flashplayer-nonfree packge does the same thing
[11:22] <raphink> alright
[11:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: the only point is there is not "don't bug me anymore" option
[11:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: but the amarok MP3 plugin has the same issue......
[11:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that a problem for you ?
[11:24] <Tonio_> one can install flash and disable it afterwards
[11:25] <Tonio_> and about everyone installs flish so.......
[11:26] <Tonio_> s/flish/flash
[11:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: doesn't amarok have a don't annoy me again option?
[11:28] <Riddell> the currently flash popup in konq never seems to go away anyway :)
[11:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope the amarok patch doesn't do this...
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: you've already tested this ?
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the flashpopup I think it just prompts you as long as you didn't install it...
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw, I'm building kdelibs to check how it works, and then decide
[11:30] <Riddell> we can't put it in until after beta anyway
[11:31] <Tonio_> Riddell hum
[11:31] <Tonio_> Riddell I would have agree after an RC, but a beta is supposed to be "still in the work" no ?
[11:31] <Riddell> yes, but we're frozen for beta
[11:32] <Tonio_> Riddell yeah I know this, I'll just gonna test locally
[11:35] <Riddell> please do :)
[11:35] <Riddell> infact give us all packages to test
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell will do, kdelibs and kds will be required
[11:37] <Tonio_> Riddell are you okay concerning the view mode button now that I've merged the 3 buttons ?
[11:37] <Tonio_> Riddell http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/capture12.png
[11:37] <Tonio_> Riddell tool me all the night but it works :)
[11:38] <Riddell> hmm, dunno, could you put up packages of that for me to test too?
[11:38] <Jucato> ooh nice Tonio_! I bet everyone's going to love that :)
[11:38] <Jucato> (or at least many will :P)
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell, yes I'm currently building since I have a little thing to patch too to uncheck the button, will let you know when it's done
[11:40] <Tonio_> Riddell that's kdebase + kds too, so I will probably put both flash and iconview and give you the link
[11:42] <Tonio_> Riddellthe very nice thing with the flash installer patch is it has a config file that'll go in kds, so that if we have to update the url for example, we can just upgrade kds ;)
[11:43] <Riddell> what if they don't have k-d-s installed?
[11:48] <seaLne> anyone have time to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3243 ?
[11:55] <Riddell> seaLne: looking
[11:56] <Riddell> seaLne: debian/copyright looks like it's taken from kdebindings
[11:56] <Riddell> I'd start afresh with that file
[11:56] <seaLne> oops
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell, hum, it probably won't load
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell I'll test with and without kds, but I need to set params in an rc file, and we are not going to hardcode this in /usr/share/kde ;)
[11:59] <Tonio_> seaLne: ping me if riddell approves
[12:01] <seaLne> the ruby bindings ahave a GPL and a LGPL license file in the source, i'm unsure what is which
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell the good point with this installer is that it can be used for other things, as we just have to fill the xml file for another plugin :)
[12:07] <Riddell> seaLne: find rdale and ask I guess
[12:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: nice
[12:07] <Riddell> seaLne: "postinst-has-useless-call-to-ldconfig" no idea why that's useless, the library is in /usr/lib
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell I think we should give a try at this : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=38915
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell adblock in konqueror is quite limited and a pain to use, compared to firefox's
[12:10] <Riddell> seaLne: oh, it's because it's not in /usr/lib so ld loader doesn't care about it
[12:10] <Riddell> seaLne: we can ignore that anyway
[12:12] <seaLne> yeah he's not answering on irc so far :)
[12:13] <Riddell> sleeping in I guess
[12:13] <Hobbsee> bah.  sleep's overrated
[12:13] <Riddell> seaLne: all looks good to me otherwise
[01:07] <seaLne> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3251
[01:07] <seaLne> i had to type my pass phrase 1 char at a time between disconects, not fun
[01:16] <seaLne> Tonio_: fancy looking at that?
[01:18] <Tonio_> seaLne: yeah, but I can't build it, since I already have a kdebase and kdelibs on the way......
[01:21] <seaLne> ok
[01:23] <Tonio_> seaLne: looks nice for me.
[01:23] <Tonio_> seaLne: I need to check the valid copyrights to be sure and build too.
[01:23] <Tonio_> seaLne: once I can do that I'll advocate
[01:23] <seaLne> ta
[02:17] <GNUro> hi
[02:20] <zorglu_> once i came here asking about an issue of memory leak in the X, i just identified the apps which is leaking massively, it is eclipse (based on gtk). im  aware it is not directly related to kubuntu, just to let you know.
[02:25] <Hobbsee> right, i'm in the correct room now
[02:44] <jdong> ooh, shiny, firefox 2.0RC1 out
[02:46] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> is it any good?
[02:47] <jdong> Hobbsee: just downloaded the tarball, still looking around :)
[02:47] <jdong> more minor icon tweaks...
[02:47] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:48] <jdong>  but overall I don't see anything too different from beta 2
[02:48] <jdong> at least in the features department
[02:48] <jdong> I'm sure they fixed a lot of glitches
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hum.  it looks like meanwhile needs to be bumped to main, and been made a dep of gaim.
[02:53] <jdong> Jucato: 2.0rc will probably go in after beta freeze
[02:53] <jdong> 2.0 final will go into edgy-updates or edgy-security when it's released
[02:53] <Jucato> jdong: I was referring to the *cough*issue*cough*
[02:53] <jdong> the 'issue'?
[02:53] <jdong> which issue is this?
[02:53] <jdong> oh
[02:53] <jdong> iceweasel?
[02:53] <Jucato> actually it's more of a Debian-MozCo thing
[02:54] <jdong> honestly just go back to the official firefox icon....
[02:54] <Jucato> Ubuntu can do that, right? Debian ain't so lucky
[02:54] <jdong> well... if we are willing to, yes
[02:55] <jdong> but I don't like the idea of being restricted in that way either
[02:55] <Hobbsee_> yeah, please :)
[02:55] <Hobbsee_> it's much prettier
[02:55] <Jucato> but that would mean putting Firefox in restricted, right?
[02:55] <jdong> Jucato: quite possibly, yes
[02:55] <Jucato> heh.. so I guessed right :P
[02:55] <jdong> Jucato: and mozilla needs to approve all patches
[02:55] <Jucato> ouch.. that would hurt, wouldn't it?
[02:55] <jdong> which is IMO too much meddling on mozilla's part, yes
[02:55] <Jucato> Hobbsee: stop dancing! :P
[02:55] <Hobbsee> sorry...
[02:55] <jdong> if that's the case, I'd rather us go with iceweasel
[02:56] <jdong> though windows newcomers will all say WTF
[02:56] <Jucato> yeah...
[02:56] <jdong> but that doesn't matter... we're already king of weird names
[02:56] <Jucato> (or go with Epiphany instead...)
[02:56] <jdong> put it this way.... it's a better name than Linspire LBrowser
[02:56] <Jucato> hm...
[02:57] <Jucato> Ubrowse :P
[03:00] <abattoir> uBrowse
[03:01] <Jucato>  heh
[03:01] <abattoir> then will Thunderbird become uMail?
[03:01] <Jucato> UBrowse, like USplash? :P
[03:01] <Jucato> hm...
[04:41] <bddebian> Heya
[04:41] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[04:41] <bddebian> Hello Jucato
[04:42] <kwwii> hi
[04:42] <Tm_T> hellp
[04:42] <bddebian> Hello kwwii
[04:42] <Tm_T> hello
[04:43] <Jucato> oo kwwii el!! hellow!
[04:43] <Tm_T> kwwii: how's in akademy?
[04:45] <kwwii> Tm_T: great
[04:45] <kwwii> howdy Jucato
[04:46] <kwwii> hi bddebian
[04:46] <Jucato> el's dancing just like Hobbsee :)
[04:46] <kwwii> working hard, actually
[04:46] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:46] <Jucato> go go go! work hard for Oxygen and KDE 4! heh
[04:46] <kwwii> getting lots of response on edgy, actually, it is really good
[04:46] <kwwii> Hobbsee: with enough to drink I bet you would :p
[04:47] <Tm_T> add right music and atmosphere
[04:47] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i dont drink.  that's easy.
[04:47] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: oh you do, water atleast
[04:47] <Jucato> Hobbsee: well you did dance in and out the channel earlier :P
[04:47] <Hobbsee> yeah, water.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:47] <Jucato> we'll get you drunk on water :P
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: that doesnt get me intoxicated though
[04:47] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: it can, just try
[04:48] <Tm_T> drink one litre as fast as possible, you'll see
[04:48] <Hobbsee> hah.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> i'll pass on that too - that'll just make me sick.  :P
[04:48] <Tm_T> my mother get nasty effects from 3 dl but most of the people need more
[04:49] <Tm_T> stories over, now off ->
[04:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:50] <Hobbsee> kwwii: that could be kinda amusing to try though.
[04:51] <Jucato> kwwii: do they like the purple theme? :P
[05:01] <mhb> hey everyone
[05:01] <Hobbsee> heya
[05:01] <mhb> hi Hobbsee 
[05:02] <mhb> I need a bit of advice :o) 
[05:02] <mhb> as you might (not) know, I am a translator, one of the admins of the Czech l10n team, and kind of responsible for the Kubuntu Czech translation
[05:03] <Hobbsee> ahh :)
[05:03] <mhb> and I encountered a problem that is beyond my reach. 
[05:03] <Hobbsee> unfortunately
[05:04] <mhb> Even though I made sure Adept is 100% translated, it still keeps on talking in English to me :oI
[05:04] <Jucato> ooh Adept...
[05:05] <mhb> yeah, Adept :oI other applications are fine (at least they behave normally and are translated). All locales are set well.
[05:07] <mhb> should I wait for somebody then?
[05:07] <Riddell> mhb: is everything in English?  or just some things?
[05:07] <mhb> Riddell: that's the strange thing
[05:08] <fdoving> don't you need to select the KDE language for root? 
[05:08] <fdoving> somehow.
[05:08] <mhb> Riddell: some things are translated, some aren't - in one app - even when it is 100% translated and the .mos should be fine (daily langpacks)
[05:09] <Riddell> mhb: just adept or other apps too?
[05:10] <Lure> Tonio_: ping
[05:10] <fdoving> mhb: try to run 'sudo kcmshell language' - does it say english as default? 
[05:11] <mhb> fdoving: thanks, I'll try that
[05:13] <mhb> fdoving: weird, it actually did
[05:13] <fdoving> mhb: does changing it affect anything? 
[05:13] <mhb> Riddell: actually, it looks like more apps are behaving like that
[05:15] <Tonio_> Lure: pong
[05:15] <fdoving> mhb: can it relate to what's run as root? after you get prompted for the password? 
[05:15] <kwwii> Jucato: yes, everyone seems to like the purple (I guess there is enough blue in it now)
[05:15] <Lure> Tonio_: you mentioned once how to do bios upgrade on laptop w/o windows or floppy - I do not recall the name of the software
[05:15] <mhb> fdoving: no
[05:15] <Jucato> kwwii: that's great news! :)
[05:16] <Tonio_> Lure: heh, I didn't mention the name of it since I didn't find any solution
[05:16] <Tonio_> Lure: what you can do if you have to use winflash is use a bartpe cd
[05:16] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, that was probably it
[05:16] <Tonio_> it is hacked windows made cd bootable
[05:17] <Tonio_> Lure: the problem is that you need windows to create it
[05:17] <mhb> Riddell: it's like 50% strings in one menu are English and 50% Czech
[05:17] <Lure> Tonio_: windows install CD or installed version?
[05:17] <mhb> Riddell: even though the application is completely translated
[05:17] <Riddell> mhb: in adept or everything?
[05:17] <Tonio_> Lure: you need i386 folder, either from the cd or hdd
[05:17] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, will find some at work... ;-)
[05:18] <mhb> Riddell: now that I look at it, it seems like it's affecting more apps
[05:18] <Tonio_> hehe, probably yes ;)
[05:18] <Riddell> mhb: sounds like the stock strings problem, what language and which language packs is this?
[05:18] <mhb> Riddell: Do you think it's worth it to install Knot3 again?
[05:18] <mhb> Riddell: and test it
[05:19] <mhb> (I had installed Knot1 a while ago, then updated)
[05:20] <mhb> Riddell: it's the Czech language pack, at least the KDE part (no such reports from my Ubuntu translator friends)
[05:20] <Riddell> mhb: no, wasn't fixed for that
[05:21] <Riddell> mhb: ok, I think this should be fixed, please try again with the beta which is coming out on thursday and let me know if you still have the problem or not
[05:22] <mhb> Riddell: thanks :o) you're the greatest!
[05:23] <bzbb> anyone know when KDE is going to be installable on ppc?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> when someone fixes ruby
[05:25] <Riddell> bzbb: it's release critical for beta
[05:27] <bzbb> alright
[05:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: around?
[05:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes
[05:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you upload qt4ruby?
[05:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope I was waiting to finish my kdebase to revu and upload, but I will do in a moment
[05:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is almost finished now
[05:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool, thanks
[05:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: the knetworkmanager dudes were asking Lure about testing svn head to know if it works on kubuntu to make a release, do you have time to do that?
[05:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes I can take that in charge for toonight and make a report
[05:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: thanks, I'll forward the e-mail to you
[05:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: just that as we have a bunch of patches to maintain due to yast it can take a few hours :)
[05:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://tonio/homelinux.org/tmp/to_test/
[05:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is kdelibs and kds with the stuff to install flash
[05:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdebase with merged view icons is coming along
[05:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/to_test/ sorry ;)
[05:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: no time just now, I need to fly home and do it then, remind me if I havn't tested them by this evening
[05:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, don't miss your plane :)
[06:28] <Riddell> anyone remember where the kmilo key setup script isw?
[06:32] <imbrandon> heya all
[06:33] <Jucato> hi imbrandon! :)
[06:33] <imbrandon> Riddell, commin home today ? hehe
[06:34] <imbrandon> Riddell, how is 2100 UTC /next/ thurs day for the meeting , everyone seemed ok with it but i wanted to ask you
[06:35] <Riddell> imbrandon: 10 days time?
[06:36] <imbrandon> yea 
[06:36] <imbrandon> unless oyu want ti sooner
[06:36] <Jucato> hm...
[06:36] <imbrandon> i thought 2 days would be a little close to get everyone
[06:37] <imbrandon> e.g. this thursday , and tbh i thought you would be at akademy all week
[06:38] <Riddell> can't do this thursday, that's beta release
[06:38] <Riddell> so 10 days thursday is fine
[06:38] <imbrandon> ahh yea that wouldent be good hehe
[06:38] <imbrandon> hows akademy
[06:39] <imbrandon> i've been reading the blogs on p.k.o 
[06:43] <nixternal> speaking of beta release, now is the time to tell me what you want on the release notes....what has changed since Knot 3?  I got the artwork covered ;)
[06:43] <nixternal> anything new and exciting, or just bug fixes pretty much?
[06:46] <mhb> I wonder ... would it be possible for a user to choose (in systemsettings Look & Feel) whether he wants a KDE logo as K Menu button or Kubuntu logo?
[06:46] <Jucato> mhb: there's not Kubuntu logo icon available
[06:47] <mhb> Jucato: not yet, I know
[06:47] <nixternal> there is a kubuntu logo icon on kde-look
[06:47] <nixternal> i used to use it
[06:47] <mhb> Jucato: but I talked to kwwii today and he mentioned this possibility
[06:47] <Jucato> yeah, I hope there would be one actually :)
[06:48] <Jucato> but won't changing the K Menu logo involve changing some icon names? or is there an easier way to do that?
[06:49] <mhb> Jucato: that's why I'm asking here
[06:49] <mhb> :o)
[06:49] <Jucato> :)
[06:50] <mhb> I don't know if the Kubuntu icon will make it as the default K Menu icon or not, but the question was if it did, would it be possible to switch it easily back?
[06:50] <mhb> or how hard would it be to code a configuration option for that
[06:51] <trappist>  /etc/alternatives would do, I'd think
[06:53] <nixternal> mv /usr/share/icons/<icon theme>/<size>/apps/kmenu.png /usr/share/icons/<icon theme>/<size>/apps/kmenu1.png
[06:53] <nixternal>  /etc/alternatives would require linking in big circles and take more time ;)
[06:54] <Jucato> ugh.. thinking about it is hurting my head :)
[06:54] <nixternal> haha
[06:54] <Jucato> well, at (almost) 1am in the morning... :P
[06:54] <nixternal> or you can do like i do, and cp -r <icon theme> <custom>
[06:54] <mhb> nixternal: well, that's not "a nice" way to do that :o)
[06:54] <nixternal> and then just edit the custom and use that...i like to test different icons every now and then
[06:55] <nixternal> i like the default kde icon, im just used to it i guess
[06:55] <Jucato> yeah the KDE icon is nice too, specially the Oxygen version
[06:56] <Jucato> but I want to display the Kubuntu logo proudly :P
[06:56] <nixternal> hmmm
[06:56] <nixternal> has the kde icon been changed recently in oxygen?
[06:56] <Jucato> my wallpaper is the big 3D Kubuntu logo :P
[06:57] <Jucato> not really
[06:57] <nixternal> from page 7 on kde-look "search for kubuntu"
[06:57] <Jucato> just polished a bit. but it's still the K with the gear
[06:57] <nixternal> mine is the default edgy wallpaper
[06:57] <mhb> mine too
[06:57] <nixternal> my whole look is default..i don't functify anything anymore
[06:57] <Jucato> heh I'm on Dapper :P
[06:58] <nixternal> i have so many windoes open, the wallpaper could be black for all i know
[06:58] <nixternal> my desktop wallpaper is like my bedroom floor...
[06:58] <Jucato> lol
[06:58] <nixternal> haven't seen it in a while, it is covered
[06:58] <mhb> I thought a Kubuntu icon by default would be better since Ubuntu is using its own icon as well
[06:59] <Jucato> not only Ubuntu, but Xubuntu as well
[06:59] <nixternal> i don't blame ubuntu for using their own icon...otherwise the desktop would smell like dirty feet
[06:59] <nixternal> ;)
[06:59] <Jucato> lol
[07:00] <mhb> no, the point of this is: IF the Kubuntu icon replaced the K one, the users should have the possibility to easily switch it back
[07:01] <Jucato> yeah... I'm actually puzzled why there's no config file that handles the logo for K Menu
[07:02] <Jucato> nixternal: were you talking about this? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=41388&PHPSESSID=90cfd81aef9dc4411b0d67424f679922
[07:02] <nixternal> that is one of them...there is another one somewhere..that one is ooogly
[07:03] <Jucato> definitely ugly
[07:03] <Jucato> aah  saw a better one
[07:03] <Hawkwind> Replacing the K on the kicker you mean ?
[07:03] <Hawkwind> If so, that is actually very easily changed to whatever you want
[07:04] <Jucato> replacing the icon used for K Menu on Kicker
[07:04] <Hawkwind> Right.  Easily changed
[07:04] <Jucato> without having to change icon names manually?
[07:04] <Hawkwind> It's a simple edit of a file
[07:04] <Jucato> Hawkwind: please do share. I think that's what mhb is looking for
[07:05] <Hawkwind> Let me find the how-to on my LFD forums here in a minute
[07:05] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[07:05] <Lure> Tonio_: hi
[07:06] <Hawkwind> Jucato: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=272.0
[07:06] <Tonio_> Lure: hey ;) I'm just trying to compile knetworkmanager from svn, but it looks like we need po files too since I'm getting error due to undeclared strings
[07:06] <Tonio_> Lure: Any idea where to get those ?
[07:07] <Hawkwind> Jucato: That's the basics of it there.  Just have to substitute the file name accordingly since that how-to I wrote for Mandriva some time ago
[07:07] <Jucato> Hawkwind: like I said, manually editing the icon names. not very pretty
[07:07] <Hawkwind> Jucato: No other way to do it though really
[07:07] <Jucato> that's what mhb was asking about
[07:08] <Tonio_> Lure: /tmp/buildd/knetworkmanager-0.1~svn-r575138/./src/knetworkmanager.cpp:38: error: 'KNETWORKMANAGER_VERSION' was not declared in this scope
[07:08] <Lure> Tonio_: let me look into this...
[07:08] <Tonio_> Lure: I could patch the source since it is temporary stuff, but I'd like to do it properly ;)
[07:09] <Tonio_> I must say I never got those from kde svn so I don't know where it is
[07:09] <Hawkwind> Jucato: A simple and easy bash script would solve the problem real quick :P
[07:10] <Jucato> Hawkwind: yes, but still not the same way you change icons for other apps. a script would be fine, but what about when the user is using a theme other than Crystal SVG and wants to use the Kubuntu icon?
[07:11] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I agree there should be an option like right clicking on the icon.  But that isn't the case currently :(
[07:11] <Jucato> anyway, I think there really is no easy way around it. so... :)
[07:12] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Maybe a file a wishlist bug upstream or something ?
[07:13] <Jucato> maybe it's hardcoded in /usr/lib/kde3/menu_panelapplet.so?
[07:55] <Lure> Tonio_: are you looking just for .pot file or also .po files?
[07:57] <mhb> I wonder ... was Kaffeine stripped of its DVB-T functionality or it's just a plugin missing by default in Edgy?
[08:03] <Tonio_> Lure: just pot file should be enough
[08:03] <Tonio_> Lure: my issue is just a matter of strings declaration
[08:03] <Lure> Tonio_: pot file can be done with sh admin/cvs.sh extractmessages
[08:03] <Lure> Tonio_: did you use svn2dist?
[08:04] <Tonio_> Lure: nope, svn co
[08:04] <Lure> Tonio_: it looks like svn2dist should create po stuff
[08:04] <Tonio_> Lure: can you give me informations concerning svn2dist ?
[08:04] <Tonio_> Lure: interesting
[08:04] <Lure> Tonio_: it picks it up from l10n/ dir in svn
[08:06] <Tonio_> Lure: sh admin/cvs.sh extractmessages doesn't work...
[08:07] <Tonio_> Lure: okay seya, I'll see with svn2dist
[08:15] <Lure> Tonio_: svn co kdereview
[08:15] <Lure> Tonio_: svn2dist kdereview knetworkmanager
[08:16] <Tonio_> Lure: great thanks
[08:17] <Tonio_> Lure: I can't install the package right now since I have a broken kdebase installation
[08:17] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm testing my new packages and I'll do this after
[09:06] <GNUro> hi
[10:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping when you're there plz :) There is a kind of messy stuff in kdelibs, hardcoded stuff in makefile.in file........
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, okay I found the reason, uudecode missing while buildpreping
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I wonder the reason there is a difference is the way to get action/suspend.png icons in (via cdbs diff.uu patch) and devices/suspend.png, via debian rules
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you have a second to explain this to me :)
[11:17] <danimo> hi
[11:18] <danimo> imbrandon: ping?
[11:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[11:32] <danimo> Riddell: I still have problems with usb keys
[11:33] <danimo> Riddell: known issue or something wrong on my side?
[11:33] <danimo> Riddell: the mediamanager pops up, but it says "Unknown URL" as soon as I hit "OK" to mount the device
[11:33] <Riddell> danimo: new patches only went in today, (actually I havn't checked that they even did that)
[11:33] <danimo> Riddell: did it work before?
[11:33] <danimo> Riddell: it's broken for me for some weeks now
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: [23:21]  <Tonio_> Riddell: knetworkmanager tested and working, I'm responding to timo
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was on the bad tab...
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning kdelibs, is there a reason the different uuencoded icons are not installed the same way ?
[11:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: I have no idea why we have two suspend icons and two ways of patching it
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, that confused me a lot.....
[11:37] <Riddell> I don't see devices/suspend.png installed on my system
[11:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the makefile problem, I just got uudecode remove somehow...
[11:37] <Riddell> danimo: I'll test it after I do this daily CD install test
[11:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, it can't be installed, since makefiles have to be generated with icons in the source tree
[11:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I assume that's package issue, maybe we should clean this part, as files aren't installed, and we apparently don't need them
[11:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: the suspend icon should be the one that looks like a yellow quit icon
[11:39] <danimo> Riddell: I suspect the problem is that I bootstrapped from a chroot
[11:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, I'll uudecode the uninstalled icons to see if that's duplicates, or a debian thing we don't need
[11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm just uploading kdelibs to my ftp, testing and confirming you it works
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: WOW, it works very nicelly :)
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: good points : if kds isn't installed, it doesn't prompt and gives the normal konqueror message.
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: and if the cpu isn't x86, same behavior, normal konqueror message.
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: ROCKING !
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/to_test/
[11:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: kds + kdelibs packages for the flash installer, and konqueror + its dependancies + kds for the view chooser button
[12:03] <Tonio_> anyone wanted to test is welcome
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: you'll love it :)
[12:05] <Riddell> I'm sure I will :)