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UTC: Edubuntu | 28 Sep 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 29 Sep 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Desktop Effects Team | 03 Oct 17:00 UTC: Community Council | 04 Oct 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lukketto [n=lukketto@host43-106-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:59] $(appropriate greeting for your timezone) [09:59] heh [09:59] Evening [09:59] Hi Keybuk. [09:59] $(appropriate grumble) [10:00] hey bddebian [10:00] Early morning here... I don't do 5:30am :S [10:00] Hi cbx33 [10:00] so let's get started [10:00] Fujitsu, yikes...Iget up at that time every day [10:00] a few ubuntu-dev candidates today === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:00] Where a few == 3, I believe. [10:00] q-funk, Fujitsu, cbx33 [10:00] morning [10:00] morning [10:00] though it seems Martin isn't around [10:01] afternoon [10:01] if anyone can ping him via other means, do so [10:01] Fujitsu: that means you're up first; please introduce yourself [10:01] q-funk is not on irc.gnome.org either [10:01] OK. [10:02] I'm William Grant, from Melbourne, Australia. [10:02] I've been hanging out with the MOTU for a few months now, and started helping out about 3 months ago. [10:02] In that time, I've handled a lot of syncs and merges, as well as a few new upstream versions, and some bugfixes. [10:02] In the future I'd like to mainly help LaserJock and co. with MOTU Science, and help with Debian collaboration. [10:03] Er, that's the end :P [10:03] tell us about MOTU Science [10:03] what kinds of thing is that aiming to bring to Ubuntu [10:04] Fujitsu: who has been uploading your changes for you? [10:04] Well, there are already quite a few new science packages in Ubuntu that aren't yet in Debian. [10:04] mdz: Primarily crimsun, but Hobbsee, LaserJock, Gloubiboulga to start. [10:05] And MOTU Science aims to make Ubuntu a viable alternative for scientists [10:05] people from ubuntu-universe-sponsors know his mail address quite well - although crimsun is always quicker. [10:05] crimsun can't be here today, but has mailed in his advocation for you [10:05] hmm [10:05] Goodo, Keybuk. [10:06] how do you think Debian collaboration can be improved? [10:06] Boy, that's a loaded question ;-) [10:06] Well, I was talking with a Debian developer just yesterday, I hadn't spoken to him before. [10:07] He said that he didn't really like the automated Ubuntu patch submission, and that he'd generally handle patches only when a bug had been filed. === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:07] I think this needs to be worked on. [10:07] Because I believe a lot of DDs have the same attitude. [10:07] (although some obviously have a much more negative one) [10:07] do you think DDs would be happy about adding a further 65,000 bugs to their BTS? [10:08] how would they react to those that are clearly Ubuntu specific, or clearly duplicates? [10:08] I'm not quite sure, but I know most aren't happy to just have a big monolithic patch... [10:08] Keybuk, that's what needs to be figured out. [10:08] At the moment, MoM just sends everything. [10:08] Even if it's Ubuntu-specific, or a duplicate, whatever. [10:09] And some of the deltas are /gigantic/, and DDs are unlikely to work through those. [10:09] I'm not sure exactly the best way to go about improving collaboration, but it needs to be done. [10:10] arguably the difficulty in sending useful patches back is a fault of Debian for having a fucking-stupid(tm) source package format and manager ... but I won't digress further :p [10:11] Maybe true. [10:11] For example, the guy I was talking to yesterday maintains 915resolution. [10:11] as a MOTU, all the work you will be doing in universe increases this divergence from Debian [10:11] I know, yes. [10:11] how will you balance this with your desire to improve collaboration? [10:11] Keybuk: "all"? [10:12] LaserJock: anything that's not a sync request [10:12] Divergence isn't mutually exclusive with collaboration. [10:12] Keybuk: pushing patches back is part of MOTU work as well [10:12] I would, where feasible, submit appropriate bugs in the bug tracker for the package in Debian, if the fixes indeed applied to Debian too. [10:12] LaserJock, exactly. [10:12] LaserJock, ++ [10:12] (just not a whole lot of people push them back) [10:12] Bite your tongue [10:12] minimizing and maintaining divergence is the MOTUs work [10:13] ok [10:13] mjg59, mdz : any questions? === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [""] === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:14] he'll brb [10:14] oops [10:14] heh [10:14] Yes, oops :P [10:15] LaserJock: what do you think is the most important area where Ubuntu needs improvement today, technically speaking? [10:15] LaserJock: How do you think we can encourage scientific users to use Ubuntu? [10:15] Tell him he can't get in unless he does azureus ;-) [10:15] Er, me, you mean? [10:15] (Oops - go with mdz first) [10:15] Erm [10:15] Yes, Fujitsu [10:15] heh, I'm not the one going for MOTU today ;-) [10:15] Fujitsu: yes, sorry [10:15] Aha, good... [10:15] LaserJock, say education :P [10:16] ogra: of course ;-) [10:16] *g* [10:16] Well, actually, I agree with ogra. There is an enormous lacking of educational Free software. gcompris is one thing, but there's an enormous void in the education sector. [10:16] But science is also lacking. [10:16] Fujitsu: there is a lack of such software, or a lack of it in Ubuntu? [10:17] mdz, there is a lack of such software in the FOSS community in general. [10:17] mdz: lack of good software with good licenses :/ [10:17] Fujitsu, ++ [10:17] LaserJock, exactly. [10:17] how is that solvable by the MOTU? [10:17] MOTU Science keeps track of 400+ packages [10:17] Fujitsu: while we occasionally develop new software in-house, Ubuntu as a project is primarily about integration, bringing together the software which is available [10:17] Well, there are some things that are not yet packaged (in science moreso). [10:18] mdz, noted, but there is some more stuff we can package, especially in science. [10:19] there is always chance to introduce some software unavailable in debian into ubuntu multiverse first === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:19] minghua, multiverse??! [10:19] why would you put free/open source stuff in multiverse? === pygi stops now [10:19] Fujitsu: that is what MOTU science is doing today, yes? [10:19] because it isn't free [10:19] pygi: yes, some scientific software has non-DFSG-free licenses [10:19] mdz, yes. [10:20] mdz, as well as maintaining well over 400 packages. [10:20] pygi: and there are just no alternatives [10:20] minghua, ah, then somebody should make sure alternatives are produced :) [10:20] Fujitsu: that is a lot of packages. how do you keep track of them all? [10:20] mdz: me ;-) [10:20] there are only about 10 members of motuscience === lukketto [n=lukketto@host43-106-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [10:20] heheh LaserJock's brain holds the key ;) [10:21] mdz, yeah, LaserJock does a lot, but I keep track of quite a number. [10:21] mdz, most of them aren't MOTUs. [10:21] LaserJock: how do you track bugs for them? [10:21] mdz, the subscribed bugs page. [10:21] I noticed that motuscience isn't a bug contact for any packages [10:21] mdz, yes we are... [10:21] ah, never mind, wrong page [10:21] for all 400+ [10:21] it's not a *maintainer* of any packages, but it is a bug contact [10:21] Otherwise it would just be impossible to manage :P [10:21] mdz, yes. [10:21] I also maintain a list using lucas's scripts [10:22] LaserJock: lucas's scripts? [10:22] MultiDistroTools. [10:22] m-science is a very valuable source for information for edubuntu btw ... [10:22] http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/all.html for instance [10:22] yes, we track a lot of packages, and from what I see, motu-science is very responsive to bug reports [10:22] and a lot of credits goes to Fujitsu [10:22] Yes, LaserJock's lists are incredibly useful, and make managing the large number of packages sane. [10:22] but we need MOTUs in MOTU Science [10:22] :-) [10:22] Thanks, minghua :) [10:22] LaserJock, there are 3 at the moment, no? [10:22] minghua, tritium, and myself [10:23] although bddebian is an honorary member === bddebian was feeling left out :-) [10:23] LaserJock: it looks a bit like packages.qa.debian.org [10:23] (and I am not active during edgy release, that should change for edgy+1) [10:23] mdz:mhm [10:23] mdz: I also track the difference between Ubuntu and Debian in terms of packages they don't have [10:24] mdz: we tend to loose a lot of new Debian packages [10:24] http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/ud_diff.html [10:24] ok, thanks for satisfying my curiosity, though we're digressing a bit [10:24] LaserJock: you really mean 'loose' or lose? [10:24] anything further for Fujitsu? [10:24] nothing from me [10:24] mjg59: ? [10:24] Like, I went through the list of packages in Debian and not Ubuntu a couple of days ago, and there are 32 new ones, though 12 are in contrib/non-free. [10:25] I'm happy [10:25] rodarvus: one of the 2 ;-) [10:25] ok votes [10:25] +1 from me [10:25] +1 [10:25] +1 from me, have seen a fair bit from Fujitsu [10:25] Fujitsu: congrats [10:25] Yay :) [10:25] Thanks :) [10:25] congratulations Fujitsu [10:25] w00t, congrats Fujitsu [10:25] congrats Fujitsu [10:25] congratulations Fujitsu [10:25] Fujitsu, congratulations! [10:25] \o/ Fujitsu [10:25] congrats Fujitsu ! [10:25] cbx33: Want a go? [10:25] mjg59, sure === ogra cheers [10:25] I'm Pete Savage, aka cbx33, I'm currently working as an IT manager at a school in Southampton UK. I became an Ubuntu/Edubuntu Member about a month after helping out in the Edubuntu community. Originally working on a few bug fixes and documentation. [10:25] Recently I have been working a lot more on developing applications and completing specifications. I recently completed the Student Control Panel spec, as well as writing gisomount, and working on development of grasynco and gallium [10:25] I would love to get into more packaging, and hope to attend the UDS, where I can gain a better insight into the development process. I would like to develop and package more educational applications for Edubuntu and would one day hope to become a core-dev. === pygi cheers also :P [10:26] cbx33: So who have you been working with in Ubuntu so far? === rodarvus cheers too [10:26] ogra, LaserJock, rodarvus, pygi [10:26] cbx33: are you the same pete savage who contributed the sound theme, or a different one? [10:26] many many people [10:26] mdz, I am indeed [10:26] cbx33, was the greatest edubuntu developer in the edgy cycle ... he started learning pythion and basic packaging at the beginnign of the cycle and actually finished student-control-panel and packaged it ... [10:27] as well as his other stuff (gisomount etc) [10:27] cbx33: who has been doing uploads for you so far? [10:27] have you done many? [10:27] ogra, mainly [10:27] cbx33 did a marvelous job really.... [10:27] and LaserJock too [10:27] it was very very impressing seeing him getting to speed so fast [10:28] Keybuk, total number of pacakges? [10:28] 4 [10:28] He was also my first proofreader *cough*victim*cough* for the Ubuntu Packaging Guide [10:28] (on a sidenote the new edubuntu artwork and the ubuntu sounds are also from him, done aside the development he did for us) [10:28] cbx33 has contributed code, new packages, ideas for edubuntu, and is very helpful & interested, generally speaking [10:28] rodarvus, don't forget sounds and artwork :) === YukiCuss [n=celtic@c58-107-51-55.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [10:28] pygi, yes, that too [10:29] cbx33: So what would yo [10:29] Oops [10:29] cbx33: is Ubuntu the first free software project you've been involved with? [10:29] mdz, I tried to get involved with Fedora at one point [10:29] but found the community to be rather eliteist [10:29] after using ubuntu for about 2months I decided to give the ubuntu community a try [10:30] as Edubuntu fitted in so well with my work [10:30] I also started try ing to create a distro, Devenix [10:30] which was goign to be an entire php development studio on a USB stick....bootable anwhere.... [10:31] but this has taken a backseat as Ubuntu is so much fun to work on ;) [10:31] cbx33: what made the Ubuntu community different? [10:31] (incidentlt Devenix started as a knoppix prototype but will now be Ubuntu) [10:31] mdz, primarily the attitude [10:32] you can get to speak to the "real" people developing things.....not just people using them [10:32] and people are very ready to help you out [10:32] I remember first going into the motu channel after wanting to find out more about creating a customized live CD, bddebian and dholbach were the first two people I spoke to in ther [10:33] cbx33: what kind of difficulties did you have trying to do the same in fedora? [10:33] was it harder to locate the right people? [10:33] for a start the activity was low, and the technical knowledge seemed lacking [10:33] people here either know the answer, can point you to the right doc....or ask you to write the doc when youre done ;) [10:34] and if people don;t know the answer they tell you [10:34] as opposed to just ignoring you [10:34] I don;t feel like a little fish here.....I feel like I actually contribute :D [10:34] cbx33: So you're planning on continuing in much the same way that you currently are? [10:34] cbx33: in what way do you feel that joining MOTU will help you in your work? [10:35] mjg59, yes, but getting much more involed in pacakging [10:35] cbx33: Have you done much packaging so far? [10:35] hopefully helping LaserJock out more in MOTU science [10:35] Rather than simply working on existing packages? [10:36] mjg59, I have done a small amount of pacakging, but I hope people find my pacakges well presented and compelte [10:36] mjg59, he did some from scratch and took over student-control-panel from me which i sponsor for him for main [10:36] the quality was excellent, even the amount wasnt big yet [10:36] mjg59: I also helped him learn how to package with is own upstream product gisomount [10:36] LaserJock, ++ [10:36] mjg59: but I found I really didn't need to help him [10:36] Ok, sounds good [10:37] hehe [10:37] LaserJock, it was your great docs ;) [10:37] Keybuk: anything further? [10:37] nothing from me [10:37] cbx33, btw a good comunity doesnt only consist of people helping you, its also a matter how you ask your questions ;) [10:37] ogra, noted [10:37] its a two way thing ;) [10:38] of course ;) [10:38] ok, votes [10:38] +1 based on testimony and impressive contributions so far [10:38] +1, thanks for your contributions [10:39] +1, I think in any circumstance where you haven't got skills so far, you know where and who to ask and how to help others learn after you [10:39] congrats cbx33 :) [10:39] cbx33, congratulations! [10:39] w00t....thank you everyone === ogra hugs cbx33 [10:39] congratulations cbx33 [10:39] Congratulations, cbx33! [10:39] well deserved ! [10:39] w00t go cbx33 === cbx33 hugs............everyone [10:39] I don't believe q-funk has arrived [10:39] cbx33: congratulations and welcome [10:39] thank you mdz [10:39] Do we have any other business? [10:39] and I'm not aware of any people pending ubuntu-core-dev membersjip [10:40] we need to clear out the ubuntu-dev proposed members list [10:40] what's the procedure for doing that? [10:40] what's needed is to email each applicant and find out what their status is [10:41] get dholbach to mail them? [10:41] I mailed each and everyone of them [10:41] (that had a public mail address) [10:41] and notified mdz of everyone of them mailing me back [10:41] dholbach: so these are the ones who did not respond? [10:41] yes [10:42] shall we decline them all, they will get a mail as a result [10:42] dholbach: if you can confirm the dates when you mailed them, I'll expire the applications [10:42] I usually do it the day or the next day I work, but yeah - I can compile a list and double-check [10:42] mdz: there's a mass-decline facility now [10:42] heh [10:42] we should do the same for core-dev [10:44] dholbach: it would be good form to note the date of the mail in the message when they're declined; I wouldn't want to accidentally decline someone inapporpriately [10:44] ok, i'll mail you the list tomorrow [10:44] dholbach: no big hurry, it can wait until after beta [10:44] sometime before the next TB meeting [10:44] ok [10:45] Yeah, whack me :-) [10:45] just dont wipe sbalneav, he just applied ;) [10:45] :) [10:45] ok, I think we're done [10:46] I just had a quick question; re: mozilla/debian trademark business, I gather some ubuntu people are talking to Mozilla about this, would it be possible for someone to send a mail to -devel about whats happening/or when a decision is made, to clarify the situation? [10:46] mc44_: I have a dialog with Mike Connor at Mozilla on this issue [10:46] that's all there is to say so far; if there's news, I'll mail -devel [10:46] mdz, great, thanks [10:46] last email was yesterday === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:47] ok, thanks everyone [10:47] adjourned [10:47] mdz, yeah, i would have waited to ask but as it was TB today.. :) [10:47] such a lively crowd tonight if I may say [10:47] :) [10:47] :-) [10:47] compared to the last three meetings for sure [10:47] :-D === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [""] === thekorn [n=markus@a81-14-166-187.net-htp.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === mc44_ [n=m@ip-81-170-102-38.cust.homechoice.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === ausimage [n=owner@pool-141-149-239-130.syr.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === geser [n=michael@dialin107239.justdsl.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [11:21] Riddell: knetworkmanager tested and working, I'm responding to timo === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:23] evening all [11:23] Hi sabdfl :) [11:23] evening [11:24] am i too late for the TB action? [11:24] yes, it finished awhile ago [11:25] ah. well, i was busily writing up sponsorships for UDS Mountain View :-) [11:25] we'll know by monday, I take it? [11:26] in your case, sooner if you want [11:28] that's so frustrating, for UDS Paris I was 400kms away from the summit but it was during my exams and now I am a few hundreds miles away from Moutain View but I'll be working :/ [11:28] Toadstool: Me too :-( [11:29] Toadstool, bddebian :'( [11:29] (and I am supposed to be working now :p) === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 27 Sep 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 28 Sep 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 29 Sep 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Desktop Effects Team | 03 Oct 17:00 UTC: Community Council | 04 Oct 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 05 Oct 07:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jphofmann [n=revent@h-68-167-148-211.mclnva23.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jphofmann [n=revent@h-68-167-148-211.mclnva23.covad.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D86D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting