[12:42] <mhz> LaserJock: thx for documenting it
[12:42] <LaserJock> np
[01:22] <pygi> night all
[01:27] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[02:38] <bddebian> Heya
[02:49] <HedgeMage> hi bddebian 
[02:49] <bddebian> Heya HedgeMage
[02:49] <HedgeMage> How's life?
[02:50] <bddebian> Pretty sucky thanks. You?
[02:51] <HedgeMage> :(
[02:51] <HedgeMage> Not bad, just slow going 
[02:53] <LaserJock> bddebian? ajmitch not showing you the love? ;/
[02:53] <HedgeMage> hiya LaserJock 
[02:54] <bddebian> LaserJock: heh
[02:54] <LaserJock> hi HedgeMage 
[09:01] <LaserJock> hola RichEd 
[09:01] <RichEd> hi LaserJock :)
[09:02] <pygi> hey RichEd && LaserJock 
[09:02] <RichEd> quick question LaserJock: does firefox keep temporary files somewhere ? I was buwy with a wiki edit, and had done only a preview and not a save when I hit a hang last night ... any idea where the local copy may be ?
[09:03] <RichEd> greetz pygi 
[09:03] <Burgundavia> hey RichEd, LaserJock
[09:03] <RichEd> Burgundavia ... mornin'
[09:08] <LaserJock> RichEd: hmm, not exactly
[09:08] <LaserJock> you could try your cache
[09:08] <LaserJock> which would be in ~/.mozilla
[09:09] <RichEd> ah .... I was looking in /firefox :) thankx will have a look
[09:25] <RichEd> hey cbx33 
[09:27] <mario_> sorry RichEd, dsl down
[09:27] <RichEd> no problem ... change you nick and I'll resend
[09:28] <cbx33> hi RichEd pygi 
[09:28] <cbx33> brb
[09:46] <cbx33> back
[09:46] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[09:46] <LaserJock> I guess it's morning there
[09:47] <cbx33> yup
[09:47] <cbx33> 8:45 now ;)
[09:47] <cbx33> how about where you are ?
[09:47] <cbx33> must be like 11 ?
[09:48] <LaserJock> almost 1:00
[09:48] <cbx33> yikes
[09:48] <cbx33> working latE?
[09:48] <LaserJock> mhm
[09:49] <cbx33> get to bed dude
[09:49] <LaserJock> hmm, seems to be a 16hr Ubuntu day
[09:49] <cbx33> crikey
[10:28] <LaserJock> ogra!
[10:28] <ogra> hy
[10:29] <cbx33> hey ogra 
[11:57] <RichEd> brb ... reboot
[11:58] <EmxBA> hi
[11:58] <cbx33> hi EmxBA 
[12:25] <willvdl> highvoltage, ola
[12:27] <EmxBA> pygi: hi
[12:27] <pygi> hi EmxBA 
[12:29] <cbx33> hey pygi 
[12:29] <pygi> ho motu :)
[12:29] <EmxBA> pygi: are you in the motu team?
[12:30] <cbx33> hehe
[12:33] <pygi> EmxBA: nop :)
[12:34] <EmxBA> pygi: hmm...i know that someone from ubuntu-hr team is in motu...
[12:34] <pygi> EmxBA: ivoks
[12:34] <EmxBA> ah
[12:34] <pygi> cbx33: ergh, I told you not to mention me anywhere :P
[12:37] <cbx33> mention you what .... hwere ;)
[12:37] <pygi> cbx33: the blog post :P
[12:37] <cbx33> oh...sorry....
[12:38] <cbx33> I can remove if you wish
[12:38] <pygi> lol, told you to stop appologising for nothing :)
[12:38] <pygi> And I'm just joking :)
[12:38] <cbx33> argh.....but you just told me off ;)
[12:38] <cbx33> heheh
[12:38] <cbx33> you deserve credit
[12:38] <pygi> not really :P
[12:38] <cbx33> you made me the python coder I am today
[12:39] <pygi> ah
[12:39] <cbx33> I just didn't know where to start and probably wouldn't have without you help
[12:41] <pygi> lol, what a changelog:
[12:41] <pygi>    * Let's try this one more time (trust no one): 
[12:41] <pygi> :)))
[12:42] <cbx33> heh
[12:42] <pygi> cbx33: :)
[12:43] <pygi> cbx33: you haven't answered to my question yesterday....you working on gallium alone?
[12:44] <cbx33> pygi: I didnt see that question
[12:44] <pygi> cbx33: doesn't matter :)
[12:44] <cbx33> umm Amaranth started it all and did a lot
[12:44] <cbx33> I've been try ing to get hold of him to see if he likes my additions
[12:44] <cbx33> I've done some formatting and started adding some features in
[12:44] <cbx33> like the date slider al a kalzium
[12:46] <pygi> nice
[12:49] <cbx33> but I've been pretty busy with other things of late ;)
[12:49] <cbx33> like getting all my work done so I can goto UDS
[12:49] <pygi> hehe :)
[12:57] <Amaranth> howdy
[12:57] <pygi> hey Amaranth :)
[12:58] <Amaranth> cbx33: is the logout noise supposed to be depressing? i just noticed yesterday
[12:58] <pygi> Amaranth: that is intentional. Should make you never want to leave Edubuntu :)
[12:58] <Amaranth> yeah, exactly
[12:59] <cbx33> heheh
[01:00] <cbx33> Amaranth: I added my branch to gallium
[01:00] <Amaranth> cbx33: wow, you managed to edit it without puking? :)
[01:00] <cbx33> yes
[01:00] <cbx33> well i did once or twice
[01:00] <Amaranth> heh
[01:00] <cbx33> take a look when you have a chance
[01:00] <cbx33> you will probably puke back :p
[01:01] <Amaranth> that was an almost non-stop 2 day coding session
[01:01] <cbx33> nice
[01:01] <Amaranth> meant to be a proof of concept, i was only just starting to clean it up when school started
[01:01] <pygi> Amaranth: what?! you mean you actually sleeped? That is no good, no good :)))
[01:01] <cbx33> pygi: heheh ;)
[01:02] <Amaranth> pygi: not so much that, i stopped for 3 hours to watch a baseball game :)
[01:02] <pygi> Amaranth: even worse, you watched tv!!!
[01:02] <cbx33> heheh
[01:02] <Amaranth> heh
[01:03] <Amaranth> i'm going to kill my cable company
[01:04] <Amaranth> brb, restarting modem for the 5th time in about 16 hours
[01:04] <pygi> don't, they electrocute you then :)
[01:04] <cbx33> ok
[01:10] <Amaranth> cbx33: hey, maybe we'll be able to do a little gallium hacking in mountain view :)
[01:12] <pygi> Amaranth: :)
[01:12] <pygi> Amaranth: Gallium should be packed with features and considered done for first stable release in MV :P
[01:14] <Amaranth> heh
[01:14] <EmxBA> bye
[01:14] <pygi> Amaranth: whats wrong? :)
[01:15] <Amaranth> code...full of...hacks
[01:15] <Amaranth> needs...rewrite...to not suck
[01:15] <Amaranth> :P
[01:15] <Amaranth> it was just a bunch of "how can I do this?" exploratory stuff
[01:18] <pygi> well, MV :P
[01:18] <Amaranth> Yes, the Google air should make miracles happen ;)
[01:19] <Amaranth> Maybe I'll release a beta for 3 years
[01:19] <pygi> Amaranth: or stable once MV is done  :P
[01:20] <Amaranth> * <--joke
[01:20] <Amaranth> :) <--you
[01:20] <Amaranth> :P
[01:23] <cbx33> hehe
[01:23] <cbx33> hi rodarvus 
[01:24] <rodarvus> hi cbx33
[01:25] <pygi> ho hi rodarvus 
[01:25] <cbx33> Amaranth: i need to find a faster way to implement what I implemented at the moment
[01:25] <cbx33> but the...scratch that
[01:25] <rodarvus> hi pygi
[01:25] <Amaranth> cbx33: Yeah I know it had performance issues when doing anything that isn't sitting there looking pretty.
[01:26] <Amaranth> I'm thinking it should use goocanvas, those guys know what they're doing. :)
[01:26] <cbx33> well my slider was redrawing the whole screen ;)
[01:26] <Amaranth> heh
[01:26] <cbx33> goocanvas eh?
[01:26] <Amaranth> it shouldn't have been, i have some code in there to do damage management
[01:26] <Amaranth> ("this part changed, redraw it")
[01:27] <Amaranth> with double buffering! :)
[01:27] <cbx33> dude you rock !
[01:29] <flint> highvoltage, Jonathan, good morning! is there a meeting this morning?
[01:29] <Amaranth> oh my calendar is out-of-date
[01:29] <ogra> nope, this evening
[01:29] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda
[01:29] <ogra> (just updated)
[01:31] <Amaranth> hey, i'll be home for that one
[01:31] <Amaranth> too bad i'll probably miss the bling meeting on friday (desktop effects team meeting)
[01:34] <bddebian> Heya
[01:35] <Amaranth> hey
[01:37] <bddebian> Hi Amaranth
[01:42] <highvoltage> hi!
[01:42] <pygi> highvoltage: I'll eat you :) Where's my report on what media you used? :)
[01:43] <flint> ogra, thanks Ollie, how is the new house coming?
[01:43] <ogra> great 
[01:43] <ogra> flint, we just got our solar heating on the roof :) http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/CIMG0923-1.JPG
[01:44] <highvoltage> pygi: heh, my computers at home are have been lying in pieces in my room for the last week or so :)
[01:44] <flint> ogra, I never can figure out the time early in the morning.  Our place in Barre Vermont is a LOT of work.  Right now I am back in DC.  I got my first skylight up and can use it as a hatchway to put up the solar panels.  
[01:44] <pygi> highvoltage: hm, oki :)
[01:44] <flint> ogra, BEAUTIFUL pix!  I got to take some pictures myself.
[01:44] <ogra> flint, will we see you in mountainview ? 
[01:44] <highvoltage> I was just checking in to make sure whether the meeting today was at 12:00 or 20:00, I see it's at 20:00. which is good, I'm at an expo today
[01:45] <highvoltage> there's again lots of edubuntu interest, I'm handing out lots of CD's and telling people to subscribe to edubuntu-users :)
[01:45] <highvoltage> (bbl)
[01:45] <flint> ogra, I have been a building contractor for the last few weeks, what date is Ubuntu CA?
[01:45] <ogra> give them edgy, its soo sexy :)
[01:45] <ogra> flint, Sunday 5th to Friday 10th November
[01:45] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView
[01:46] <ogra> i'll likely be in maine somewhere at the ltsp conf from Nov 1st to 5th :)
[01:46] <RichEd> hello flint
[01:46] <ogra> and was in detroit a week ago
[01:46] <ogra> discovering the US ;)
[01:47] <flint> ogra, Thanks baby...  I might meet you at the LTSP convention.  I am currently on a zope/plone deathmarch in DC.  (oh joy :^)
[01:47] <ogra> heh
[01:47] <flint> ogra, you be careful in the US we are armed lunatics (eg our foreign policy :^)
[01:47] <ogra> as long as it pays your mortgage
[01:47] <ogra> :)
[01:48] <flint> ogra, preciscely.
[01:48] <flint> RichEd, hey how is the Jane doing?
[01:48] <ogra> right, i was fering that a bit, but had no impression like that when i was in detroit ...
[01:48] <cbx33> CRIKEY ogra that solar panel is cooool
[01:48] <flint> ogra, my favorite part of that area are the big signs on the freeway that say "Flint"
[01:48] <ogra> i just noted that detroit doesnt really have sidewalks anywhere :)
[01:49] <RichEd> Just emailing her now flint : she's well thanks.
[01:49] <flint> ogra, sidewalks are illegal in the US.  
[01:49] <ogra> you have a sidewlak that goes over three or four houses and ends at a tree :)
[01:49] <ogra> or "just ends" ....
[01:49] <flint> RichEd, excellent. Circumstances have conspired to keep me from focusing here on the edubuntu stuff which is what I would like to do.
[01:50] <ogra> was funny when i wanted to walk a bit while having a ciggy
[01:51] <flint> ogra, you took your life in your hands.  I have been smoking "Bee Dees" a low smoke for Lahore, Pakistan.  You must try one...
[01:51] <Amaranth> ogra: Detroit is "Motor City", no one walks :P
[01:51] <flint> ogra, The guys I am working with bring them back.
[01:51] <ogra> right, i noticed that :)
[01:52] <ogra> flint, bring them to maine :)
[01:52] <RichEd> Walking is unpatriotic in the US. It supports the children's economy in Korea instead of the US Oil economy.
[01:53] <flint> ogra, that is a fine house, and a very nice terra cotta roof.
[01:53] <ogra> yep
[01:53] <RichEd> flint, you come back into the fold at a good time. I will send you some links to planning theory. I am sure you will have some valuable input.
[01:53] <ogra> i like it as well ... its just way to much in the city area ...
[01:53] <pygi> RichEd: heh :)
[01:53] <flint> RichEd, maybe the mid term elections will change this, we can hope that there is no terror incidents to change us more to the right wing.
[01:54] <RichEd> flint: well let's hope george behaves then ;)
[01:54] <flint> RichEd, thanks.  and particularly thanks Ollie for the picture of your garden.  It is quite fine.
[01:54] <ogra> :)
[01:54] <flint> sksk
[02:06] <lucasvo> is there a possibility to use a usbstick to instal edgy or dapper?
[02:07] <ogra> if its big enough and your HW can boot from it, i dont see why not
[02:07] <bimberi> lucasvo: yes you can - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[02:07] <lucasvo> ogra: I once saw a ready made image for debian which had the minimal environment and donloaded the packages over ftp
[02:09] <lucasvo> bimberi: that sounds complicated
[02:11] <lucasvo> bimberi: I did it once, the image was not larger than 100mb
[02:13] <bimberi> lucasvo: yes it is, a bit.  Involves the whole CD image.
[02:14] <lucasvo> ok, let's try it over tftp
[02:34] <jingl3> Hi folks, I have a problem booting xserver on a Mini-ITX thin client wired to Dapper. The thing boots fine under Breezy
[02:34] <pygi> ogra: what happened with Ryan's Amenity and stuff? (gscoc)
[02:34] <jingl3> Any suggestions?
[02:34] <ogra> jingl3, what kind of graphics card ? 
[02:35] <ogra> pygi, ask jsgotangco, he mentored him iirc
[02:35] <pygi> will do :)
[02:35] <jingl3> I'll look....
[02:36] <jingl3> Trident Blade integrated 3D graphics core...
[02:37] <ogra> hmm should work with the trident driver ...
[02:37] <jingl3> Instead of XSERVER = auto?
[02:37] <ogra> oh, you use an lts.conf ? 
[02:37] <ogra> can you tyr if it works without ?
[02:38] <ogra> *try
[02:38] <ogra> our ltsp should autodetect everything to have a basic running setup ... lts.conf should only be used for tweaking 
[02:39] <jingl3> OK. It's not connected to Internet yet, so must go off & try. Many thanks.
[02:39] <ogra> worst case, if the driver is really broken for that card (which i hope is not the case) you can use XSERVER=vesa ... 
[02:39] <cbx333> dudes anyway to get an external monitor working on dapper on a tosh laptop
[02:39] <ogra> its not pleasant but will at least get it working
[02:41] <cbx333> I've tried the keys but it doesn't work
[02:41] <cbx333> anyone know why?
[03:16] <cbx333> ogra: got a problem
[03:17] <cbx333> some clients are not finding tftp
[03:17] <cbx333> they have got their dhcp ip
[03:17] <cbx333> but tftp timeout
[03:17] <cbx333> however on my localmachine here I just managed to install tftp and download pxelinux.0
[03:18] <ogra> from where ? 
[03:18] <ogra> (path)
[03:19] <cbx333> i did tfp 172.29.96.15
[03:19] <cbx333> and did get ltsp/pxelinux.0
[03:19] <cbx333> and it worked
[03:19] <ogra> in edgy ? 
[03:19] <cbx333> no dapper
[03:19] <ogra> that shouldnt work
[03:19] <ogra> ah
[03:19] <ogra> in dapper thats the right path
[03:19] <cbx333> but it did ;)
[03:19] <pygi> damn dsl!
[03:19] <cbx333> yes
[03:20] <ogra> edgy has arch specific subdirs now ...
[03:21] <ogra> cbx33, but if some get it and some dont that rather sounds like a network prob
[03:22] <cbx333> that sux
[03:22] <cbx333> :(
[03:22] <cbx333> maybe it's the network card
[03:23] <ogra> cbx33, you dont use a HUB, do you ? 
[03:24] <cbx333> nope
[03:25] <pygi> hey TeePOG 
[03:25] <TeePOG> ogra! how goes?
[03:25] <TeePOG> hi pygi
[03:25] <ogra> fine ... perparing for beta :)
[03:25] <cbx333> ogra: I'm in the same room here on the same switch
[03:25] <cbx333> but it doesn't work
[03:26] <ogra> and you dont have any other dhcp server running on that network ....
[03:27] <cbx333> no
[03:27] <cbx333> well i have my windows dhcp which serves all the machines
[03:27] <cbx333> but that's what I've always used
[03:27] <ogra> aha
[03:27] <cbx333> and it has been fine
[03:33] <cbx333> ogra: no other ideas?
[03:33] <ogra> nope
[03:33] <ogra> it can only be dhcp or the network
[03:34] <cbx333> heh
[03:35] <pygi> cbx333: wanna review package on revu?:)
[03:36] <cbx333> pygi: i would love to, could I do it a little later
[03:36] <cbx333> I'm trying to teach these kids
[03:36] <highvoltage> `.
[03:36] <pygi> cbx333: oki, perhaps, if Tonio_ doesn't find someone else by then :)
[03:37] <cbx333> ok
[03:41] <lguerra> Good Morning
[03:42] <pygi> hey lguerra 
[03:51] <lguerra> RichEd: ping
[03:55] <RichEd> lguerra: pong
[04:20] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:21] <sbalneav> Morning RichEd 
[04:21] <ogra> hey sbalneav 
[04:21] <sbalneav> ogra!
[04:22] <sbalneav> Hey, you got 20 minutes or so today?  I'm doing the section in the handbook that documents the lts.conf entries, and I want to go through them with you to make sure we get the ones we support, and the ones that arent are removed from the docs.
[04:24] <ogra> yup, i'll try to find some time between the iso tests
[04:30] <ogra> sbalneav, btw http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/ smealls very much like a beta release :)
[04:44] <pygi> sbalneav: Edubuntu handbook? :)
[04:44] <sbalneav> pygi: Yes, I volunteered to update the ltsp section in the edubuntu handbook.
[04:44] <pygi> sbalneav: nice, thanks :)
[04:45] <pygi> jsgotangco: hey :)
[04:45] <jsgotangco> hey pygi
[04:46] <pygi> jsgotangco: how did ryan go for GSoC?
[04:46] <jsgotangco> he's pretty ok and finished the project, but he didn't do so much on having his project included in universe at least
[04:49] <pygi> hm, did he continue with being involved in Ubuntu? I don't see him really
[04:51] <jsgotangco> he would have wanted to, but he said he has problems connecting to irc from his campus so i told him to at least get involved in the mailing list or something
[04:51] <jsgotangco> he did send one email though
[04:51] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:52] <pygi> right, heh :P
[04:52] <pygi> think we should package that stuff for him today?
[04:54] <pygi> would be nice to have it at least in universe for edgy
[04:57] <jsgotangco> do you know where its located?
[04:57] <jsgotangco> its in a sourceforge project site
[04:57] <pygi> http://sourceforge.net/projects/py-education
[04:58] <jsgotangco> he used to be available on jabber regularly, but by the end of the program he doesn't go much online anymore
[04:58] <pygi> indeed
[04:59] <jsgotangco> but then he actually *finished* the project as intended
[04:59] <jsgotangco> he would have wanted to have this on universe for sure, but he probably didnt know much of the process and since he couldn't come on IRC, he had a hard time interacting on email
[05:00] <pygi> well, can't we package it for him right now? :P
[05:00] <jsgotangco> pygi: sure we can
[05:00] <jsgotangco> pygi: are you going to?
[05:01] <jsgotangco> pygi: this past few weeks has been hectic to me, i could barely come online even 
[05:01] <pygi> jsgotangco: dunno, depends on how much work it would involve (and hopefully it doesn't need edgy-deps at this moment)
[05:04] <pygi> jsgotangco: it's also interesting he provides ubuntu package on SF
[05:06] <jsgotangco> he surely did his homework
[05:06] <pygi> indeed
[05:07] <jsgotangco> should i send him an email regarding this?
[05:07] <jsgotangco> and try to have it on the archives if its still possible?
[05:07] <pygi> I'm kinda confused with all the files on SF page tho....does every part needs to be included? or is quizzical sum-of-summarum everything?
[05:07] <pygi> jsgotangco: perhaps, but he would have to respond very quick if we want it in edgy
[05:08] <jsgotangco> well what he did was split all the components
[05:08] <pygi> jsgotangco: also quizzical contains server, lib, bla, bla, all in one
[05:08] <pygi> hm, right
[05:08] <pygi> but how I know what to package? All things that are there?
[05:08] <jsgotangco> but it seems some of the packages may have the same stuff inside
[05:08] <pygi> indeed
[05:09] <jsgotangco> i just looked at quizzical and quizzical-student
[05:09] <pygi> if nothing, this things certainly need to be further developed and maintained
[05:09] <pygi> he did a magnificient job
[05:09] <jsgotangco> what's your email? ill put you on CC
[05:10] <pygi> mario.danic@gmail.com
[05:10] <pygi> ups, that'll be in logs now
[05:10] <pygi> damn :P
[05:10] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:10] <pygi> what exactly you gonna send? :)
[05:11] <pygi> the deb packages even seem to be properly named
[05:12] <jsgotangco> just an email asking him about it
[05:13] <pygi> oki :)
[05:13] <pygi> ask him if he has source packages for all that stuff
[05:13] <pygi> if he does, I can inspect them & fix if something needs fixing
[05:15] <pygi> jsgotangco: and ask him what exactly needs to be included so this would be functional....all or just some (which?) components
[05:23] <pygi> jsgotangco: thanks :)
[05:23] <pygi> hey gnomefreak cbx33 
[05:24] <gnomefreak> hi
[05:29] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[05:29] <cbx33> bbl
[05:29] <pygi> jsgotangco: building chroot right now
[05:31] <pygi> will brb
[05:34] <neurogeek> .seen mhz
[05:34] <neurogeek> !seen mhz
[05:34] <ubotu> I last saw mhz (n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz) 16h 30m 57s ago, changing nicks
[05:35] <neurogeek> uff 16 hours??
[05:35] <pygi> jsgotangco: you think we'll here from him today?
[05:36] <jsgotangco> hopefully
[05:36] <jsgotangco> he'll probably reply when i wake up
[05:36] <pygi> dunno when exactly is freeze...I take it 14:00 UTC
[05:37] <jsgotangco> what can you build from his sources?
[05:38] <ogra> could someone else check the i386 install CD as well ? 
[05:38] <pygi> jsgotangco: I can see if debian/ dir is written correctly
[05:38] <sbalneav> ogra: I'm downloading it at home, I'll try it tonight.
[05:38] <ogra> i have a hardlock if i try to reboot and am not sure its not my amd64 causing it with the i386 kernel
[05:38] <ogra> apart from that its ready for beta ;)
[05:39] <sbalneav> You want two network cards right?  To test the autoconfig of the ltsp interface?
[05:39] <pygi> ogra: I'll see what I can do given my bad connection today :-/
[05:39] <ogra> with all bells and whistles
[05:39] <ogra> sbalneav, right
[05:39] <sbalneav> ok, Will do when I get home.
[05:39] <ogra> i test with three here ...
[05:39] <ogra> works fine including the autoconfig ...
[05:40] <ogra> one NIC should give a warning that you need to set up ltsp manually ... two should just configure the second one silently and three or more should gve a selection list
[05:41] <sbalneav> Cool.
[05:42] <ogra> if anyone wants to test but doesnt own a thin client, /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/qemu-ltsp is very handy ;)
[05:47] <jsgotangco> whoa
[05:47] <jsgotangco> qemu-ltsp
[05:47] <jsgotangco> i didnt know it was possible
[05:47] <ogra> its wonderful for testing ...
[05:47] <pygi> jsgotangco: we have that some time now already
[05:47] <jsgotangco> i thought only vmware was able to do it
[05:47] <jsgotangco> pygi: its possible?
[05:48] <jsgotangco> it seems to have clean deps
[05:48] <pygi> jsgotangco: its possible what? qemu-ltsp or ryan's work? :P
[05:48] <jsgotangco> pygi: ryan's
[05:48] <jsgotangco> sorry
[05:49] <pygi> jsgotangco: well, it would be possible (I could package it from scratch probably) If I would just know what exactly do we need to package
[05:57] <jsgotangco> pygi: ok hopefully ryan responds earlier, im going to catch my zzzz and just check tomorrow morning
[06:20] <mario_> damn connection!!!
[06:31] <LaserJock> man I fell like crap this morning
[06:32] <LaserJock> ogra: how's the beta treating you?
[06:37] <sbalneav> What, did you hand him a Windows CD?
[06:37] <sbalneav> (sound of rimshot)
[06:37] <pygi> sbalneav: lol :)
[06:38] <LaserJock> sbalneav: heh
[06:38] <LaserJock> I need caffeine
[06:38] <sbalneav> Aaaaalways with the windows jokes. :)
[06:39] <RichEd> Keeps us sane ... have to have someone to kick and it can't always be the dog !
[06:39] <pygi> sbalneav: should get Brasero in universe today I hope if I'm upto packaging :)
[06:39] <LaserJock> I did 16hrs on Ubuntu yesterday (not much to show for it though :( ) and ended at 2:30 am
[06:39] <LaserJock> very unusual for me
[06:39] <LaserJock> so this morning I'm reaping the consequences
[06:42] <LaserJock> and edubuntu-menus is still in binary NEW :/
[06:46] <cbx33> LaserJock, what are you doing up
[06:46] <cbx33> you need the extra sleep dude
[06:47] <rodarvus> cbx33, on a semi-related subject - I bought my house early this year
[06:47] <cbx33> rodarvus, which we could afford to buy
[06:47] <cbx33> s/which/wish
[06:47] <rodarvus> just yesterday I spent half of my monthly salary paying a double monthly payment :/
[06:48] <LaserJock> cbx33: gotta .. keep .. going
[06:48] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:49] <LaserJock> I should start trying to sell my house
[06:49] <cbx33> LaserJock, you have a house
[06:49] <LaserJock> yep, had it for 3 years now
[06:49] <cbx33> wow
[06:50] <LaserJock> just a little one (for here)
[06:50] <LaserJock> 904 sq. ft.
[06:50] <LaserJock> 2 car garage
[06:50] <LaserJock> and a rather large back yard for our area
[06:50] <LaserJock> which I'm trying to landscape
[06:50] <LaserJock> nevada desert wasn't meant for green grass :-)
[06:50] <cbx33> LaserJock, nice
[07:05] <jingl3> ogra, hi again! I tried your suggestions... 
[07:06] <jingl3> With no lts.conf all the terminals simply show the BusyBox prompt. 
[07:06] <jingl3> The using XSERVER = trident, the Mini-ITX box boots right up the the X screen, then shows the tty login.
[07:06] <jingl3> It's a puzzle 'cos the Mini-ITX box boots fine with Breezy
[07:26] <LaserJock> doh, there's a meeting today?
[07:41] <ogra> jingl3, thats a bug in ldm ... look for a line with usplash in it in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm and chaneg the option from stop to start 
[07:41] <cbx33> bbl guys
[07:42] <ogra> jingl3, i have prepared a fix for dapper-updates already for that issue ... but there are some more and i want to upload them all together ...
[07:42] <Amaranth> LaserJock: in about 2 hours
[07:43] <Amaranth> 2 hours 20 minutes
[07:43] <Amaranth> today is bug day too
[07:43] <pygi> ogra: any chance you'll have time for me tommorow early morning?
[07:43] <pygi> If all goes well, a lot of packages for review
[07:44] <LaserJock> Amaranth: and "stuff as much crack in Universe as you can" day ;-)
[07:45] <pygi> LaserJock: you could also be helpful :P
[07:45] <LaserJock> we'll have to see
[07:45] <LaserJock> I'm really busy
[07:45] <pygi> ah, ok :(
[07:45] <ogra> pygi, depends on how much testing i have left until then 
[07:45] <LaserJock> but who knows, poke me when you need a review and I'll tell you "yep" or "nope" 
[07:46] <Amaranth> dang
[07:46] <Amaranth> i have to get beryl packages out before the meeting
[07:46] <Amaranth> but i don't get home until 30 minutes before the meeting :P
[07:47] <mhz> RichEd, ping
[07:48] <RichEd> hi mhz
[07:49] <RichEd> Java s/w Java island or Java coffee ?
[07:49] <mhz> hehehe
[07:49] <mhz> RichEd: i am at Watts (the huge Chilean company I mentioned some time ago)
[07:50] <mhz> RichEd, also I have been talking to lguerra 
[07:50] <RichEd> What's up there at Watts. Are you doing some work for them ?
[07:50] <mhz> thx, for helping him, esp. since I am very 'unstable' oin web lately
[07:50] <RichEd> Yep. I've been chatting with lguerra as well.
[07:50] <mhz> RichEd, yup, little consulting work
[07:51] <RichEd> We've agreed to help him with the Colombia presentation as follows:
[07:51] <mhz> RichEd, there are many tests they are performing, at desktop and server levels
[07:51] <RichEd> 1) Pygi and I are preparing a presentation for Hungary event.
[07:52] <RichEd> 2) we will compare with what you said you had for lguerra, and do best effort combo
[07:52] <mhz> cool
[07:52] <RichEd> 3) he will use the 2 schoolgirls who have been helping with edubuntu.org spanish transalation to translate presentation to Spanish
[07:52] <mhz> I will provide URL for the presentation I have been working on
[07:53] <mhz> though it was fist conceived for Ubuntu general purposes   Edubuntu, later on
[07:53] <RichEd> 4) I have suggested that he use the 2 schoolgirls to deliver the persentation to his audience, and to talk about how they themselves are involved with and help with and benefit from the Edubuntu community effort
[07:54] <mhz> it is made in MoinMoin wiki and uses a real cool moin plugin that renders page as fullscreen presentation with menu and all
[07:54] <RichEd> i.e. if two little schoolgirls are not afraid, how can they be afraid ?
[07:54] <RichEd> We are chatting about the possibility of:
[07:54] <mhz> good point
[07:55] <RichEd> 1. Ubuntu T-shirts for the girls ... and possibly a certificate saying thanks for their good work (on edubuntu.org translation) ... for a school hand-over ceremony
[07:55] <RichEd> good :) we can piggyback ... just something "in recognition of the hard work and spirit" etc.
[07:55] <mhz> I can provide the SVG (source file) for anyone interested on using it as base
[07:56] <RichEd> good :)
[07:56] <RichEd> 2. and possibly a video or photo welcome and introduction for the presentation ... Mark best if possible ...
[07:57] <mhz> RichEd, there is gonna take place the IV Forum for Education Libre in Venezuela
[07:57] <RichEd> Thanks for the offer of help with the persentation.
[07:57] <RichEd> RichEd, there is gonna take place the IV Forum for Education Libre in Venezuela <- sorry please clarify ?
[07:57] <mhz> my friend of the ISEIT institute is one of the leading speakers
[07:58] <RichEd> is this the same venue / event as the lguerra one ?
[07:59] <mhz> http://mhz.homelinux.org/tcwiki/PesentacionesUbuntu
[07:59] <mhz> nope, a diff event
[08:00] <mhz> Usually, since July on, there are many events related to FLOSS in LAm
[08:00] <mhz> in Chile, 2 are also coming
[08:01] <mhz> being the one sponsored by one of the most important universities, the event we all must go.
[08:01] <mhz> Universidad Tecnica Santa Maria
[08:02] <mhz> RichEd, BTW, pressin on 'El Mundo Ubuntu' at this URL will opne the SLideShow http://mhz.homelinux.org/tcwiki/PesentacionesUbuntu
[08:03] <mhz> RichEd, on a totally diff topic... I also requested some materials to marilize via special-requests-web-form
[08:04] <mhz> but havent heard form her yert
[08:04] <mhz> -r
[08:05] <mhz> And, last but not least... we should keep an eye close to the Fluxbuntu project. Joejaxx and have been talking lot lately
[08:05] <mhz> and they will provide a Fluxbuntu Education Edition (FEE)
[08:06] <mhz> this will allowed the use of PII and PIII without the need of GNOME and some other heavy libs
[08:06] <RichEd> this is good news: <mhz> RichEd, yup, little consulting work <mhz> RichEd, there are many tests they are performing, at desktop and server levels <- is any of it Ubuntu or Open Source
[08:07] <RichEd> mhz: I'll check out the presentation ... just a bit now with some work for the meeting
[08:07] <mhz> for meeting?
[08:07] <mhz> oghhh, WED!!!
[08:08] <mhz> 20:30 UTC?
[08:08] <pygi> 20:00 UTC 
[08:09] <mhz> pygi: thx
[08:09] <mhz> this not having web at workplace is killing me
[08:16] <highvoltage> ogra, LaserJock: good evening
[08:17] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage 
[08:18] <pygi> highvoltage: !!!
[08:18] <highvoltage> hey pygi 
[08:18] <pygi> hey highvoltage :)
[08:19] <highvoltage> ogra, LaserJock: I only had 2.5h sleep last night, may I be excused from the meeting tonight?
[08:22] <mhz> hJonathan, hi there mon! long time no see ya
[08:22] <highvoltage> hey mon!
[08:23] <highvoltage> that's the first time I saw someone put an additioanl 'h' there
[08:23] <highvoltage> i'll have to update my 'how to spell jonathan' howto.
[08:23] <RichEd> hhello hhighvoltage
[08:24] <highvoltage> hi RichEd 
[08:24] <highvoltage> :)
[08:24] <mhz> you!!!
[08:25] <mhz> that explains the mispelling
[08:26] <RichEd> highvoltage: you may be excused from the meeting ... I'll make your apologies if you'd like.
[08:26] <RichEd> LaserJock: you've also been burning it hard ... so we will understand if energy levels are low.
[08:27] <highvoltage> RichEd: that would be appreciated
[08:27] <highvoltage> RichEd: btw, are you going to come by Futurex this week?
[08:28] <RichEd> highvoltage: I'm so out of touch with local events ... is it at CTICC ?
[08:29] <highvoltage> RichEd: yes, it is
[08:29] <RichEd> Do you have some sort of presence / interest ?
[08:29] <RichEd> And it there aurl I can check out ? times etc.
[08:29] <highvoltage> we have a stand there
[08:29] <RichEd> *a url
[08:29] <RichEd> brb
[08:29] <highvoltage> (we tuxlab)
[08:30] <pygi> hey cbx33 
[08:30] <cbx33> hey pygi 
[08:30] <highvoltage> we (clu)g is there too.
[08:30] <highvoltage> RichEd: http://www.futurexcape.co.za/
[08:30] <pygi> cbx33: 7 things to package this night :P
[08:31] <cbx33> package things from scratch
[08:31] <RichEd> thanks highvoltage ... will check it out and wil definately make a turn past ... will let you know when so we can chat to clug and catch a coffee
[08:31] <pygi> cbx33: indeed, from scratch :)
[08:32] <highvoltage> RichEd: great
[08:32] <cbx33> pygi, wow
[08:32] <highvoltage> i'm going to retire now and sleep right through to 7am tomorrow morning :)
[08:32] <pygi> cbx33: wanna help? But be prepared not to sleep :)
[08:32] <highvoltage> goodnight all!
[08:32] <pygi> night highvoltage 
[08:32] <highvoltage> I'll read the logs when I wake up :)
[08:32] <highvoltage> night pygi!
[08:32] <cbx33> pygi, eeek....I'll try to help out
[08:33] <cbx33> but I won;t be able stay up all night ;)
[08:33] <pygi> cbx33: :P
[08:33] <cbx33> is this stuff for edgy?
[08:33] <pygi> indeed :P
[08:33] <cbx33> how is it gonna get in
[08:33] <sbalneav> Back
[08:33] <cbx33> isn't it past feature freeze
[08:34] <pygi> cbx33: well, universe
[08:34] <cbx33> yikes FF is tomorrow for that isn't it?
[08:34] <LaserJock> hence the rush ;-)
[08:35] <cbx33> pygi, what packages are they?
[08:35] <pygi> cbx33: indeed, tommorow :P
[08:35] <LaserJock> I should do about the same tonight as well
[08:35] <pygi> cbx33: Brasero and the work Ryan did for GSoC
[08:42] <jingl3> ogra: Thanks, I'll make that change in ldm. The server is offline, it will be a while before it gets more updates.
[08:44] <LaserJock> pygi: what did Ryan do?
[08:58] <pygi> LaserJock: very short version :P
[08:58] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/appinfo.html?csaid=C17297D7994B719A
[08:58] <nixternal> how is edubuntu doc work going?  everything prim and proper
[09:00] <sbalneav> nixternal: I've been working on bringing the ltsp side of things up to date.
[09:01] <nixternal> cool...i am going to start looking over what is going on and hopefully start contributing to this project...i think this is the best marketable idea Ubuntu has right now
[09:01] <nixternal> just need a good solid KDE version ;)
[09:01] <pygi> nixternal: be shhh :)
[09:01] <nixternal> haha
[09:02] <nixternal> i should have ducked, as I knew that was coming
[09:02] <pygi> nixternal: but Edubuntu handbook rocks ;)
[09:03] <nixternal> w/o a doubt, but so does KDE Edu ;)
[09:03] <LaserJock> well, that's why we ship it nixternal 
[09:04] <pygi> nixternal: don't worry, I won't shoot you, you know :P
[09:04] <LaserJock> it's not that we *want* KDE apps surely ;-)
[09:04] <nixternal> hehe
[09:04] <nixternal> LaserJock: oh sure, hide the fact that you are a raging KDE user in here.  Everyone, I have proof that LaserJock in fact dislikes Gnome and LOVES KDE!!!
[09:04] <nixternal> hahaha
[09:04] <nixternal> pwnd
[09:05] <nixternal> just don't ask me to show you the proof..i can't do that..it is classified still
[09:05] <LaserJock> oh whatever
[09:05] <LaserJock> I'm an equal oppritunity DE user ;-)
[09:06] <nixternal> hehe
[09:06] <nixternal> me too...KDE and KDE
[09:07] <pygi> nixternal: :P
[09:14] <nixternal> i wonder if hplip is going to be fixed soon...i can't print ;)
[09:42] <mhz> re
[09:42] <mhz> i have installed Edubuntu but enduser prefers the 'ubuntu' splash at booting time :(
[09:43] <LaserJock> well, that's pretty easy to change
[09:44] <mhz> how can i set it to ubuntu?
[09:45] <LaserJock> update-alternatives
[09:46] <LaserJock> mhz: sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[09:47] <mhz> IIRC those were the commands i issued
[09:47] <mhz> i got 2 alternatives
[09:47] <mhz> edubuntu and ubuntu
[09:47] <mhz> I choose #2, the ubuntu one
[09:47] <LaserJock> right
[09:48] <mhz> but when I reboot, at the killing process I see Ubuntu  but, at booting time, still ubuntu
[09:48] <mhz> edubuntu i mean
[09:48] <mhz> and when I reboot, at the killing process I see Ubuntu  but, at booting time, still ubuntu
[09:48] <mhz> edubuntu i mean
[09:48] <mhz> duh!
[09:49] <mhz> and when I reboot, at the killing process I see Ubuntu  but, at booting time, still edubuntu
[09:49] <mhz> that
[09:49] <mhz> ;)
[09:49] <mhz> sorry
[09:51] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:51] <LaserJock> that's odd
[09:51] <LaserJock> I've done it before
[09:51] <mhz> VERY odd
[09:52] <LaserJock> Edubuntu meeting soon?
[09:52] <RichEd> t-8
[09:52] <RichEd> [09:55] <rodarvus> quick reboot before meeting begins
[09:56] <willvdl> evening all
[09:58] <RichEd> greetz willvdl ...thanks for the email.
[09:58] <mhz> LaserJock: 
[09:58] <mhz> *     1        /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-default.so      2        /usr/lib/usplash/edubuntu-splash.so
[09:59] <mhz> it is weired
[09:59] <mhz> I may be missing something there
[09:59] <cbx33> hey ogra 
[09:59] <mhz> I had the '* ' symbols togetehre
[09:59] <mhz> nnow I have * for default and   for the othere
[10:00] <LaserJock> mhz: man update-alternatives and make sure you were doing the right thing
[10:00] <RichEd> [10:11] <cbx33> ping crimsun 
[10:34] <meuserj> quick ltsp question...
[10:34] <sbalneav> Yes?
[10:35] <meuserj> I'm creating a script for starting rdesktop by combining the LTSP script and the (ed)ubuntu xstart script... I got it working perfectly, except for one thing:
[10:35] <meuserj> when I assign it to SCREEN_01 it starts up fine, but keyboard input stops working
[10:36] <sbalneav> Hmm
[10:36] <sbalneav> Can you try it on screen 02?
[10:36] <meuserj> when I assign it to SCREEN_07, keyboard and everything work, but after startup, the screen goes back to TTY1 for some reason
[10:37] <ogra> meuserj, in dapper ? 
[10:37] <meuserj> ogra, yeah
[10:37] <ogra> try if that still happens if you remove the splash argument in the pxelinux config
[10:37] <sbalneav> ogra: Interaction with either the getty, or usplash?
[10:37] <sbalneav> yeah, thought so.
[10:37] <ogra> usplash ... 
[10:37] <ogra> very likely
[10:38] <ogra> we need to call /etc/init.d/usplash start (yes start, dont ask) in the ltsp-client initscript ... i have a fix prepared for dapper ... but thats waiting for some other stuff
[10:39] <ogra> but will likely be in dapper-updates before edgy releases
[10:41] <meuserj> ok, that did the trick.. thanks.
[10:41] <ogra> :)
[10:42] <ogra> you should also be able ot just do the fix in the ltsp-client initscript i described above ...
[10:42] <cbx33> ogra, I still didn't solv that tftp prolbem
[10:42] <ogra> it calls stop there instead of start
[10:42] <cbx33> must be the mobo
[10:45] <pygi> it's actually sad how useless I can be :P
[10:49] <mario_> cbx33: ergh, sorry, lag over 30s
[10:49] <cbx33> np
[11:00] <pips1> ogra, I want to use your 'rsyncer.sh' script to update the old daily to the latest... I read the --help, but I don't quite remember: do I need to place the old daily iso in the same dir as the script?
[11:01] <ogra> nope an edubuntu subdir
[11:05] <pips1> ta
[11:11] <pips1> ogra: so, unless i use the --create option, it will only sync isos that already exist in subdirs?
[11:14] <ogra> yes
[11:14] <ogra> else it will just download them
[11:17] <meuserj> ok, I've got one more question.... There is an unused ide flash drive on the thin client I am dealing with... I have formatted it as swap space, and added the fstab entry to the nfs mount that it uses, but it doesn't seem to be picking it up... is there something that I am missing?
[11:19] <ogra> yes, the initscript is likely disabled ...
[11:19] <ogra> look for swap in the intiscripts dir and link an S script to rc2.d 
[11:19] <ogra> we have ful swap support in edgy ...
[11:20] <ogra> (even ful network swapping)
[11:20] <meuserj> yeah, I was reading about that
[11:27] <pips1> ogra: erm, I just tried ./rsyncher.sh and it didn't do anything?! 
[11:27] <ogra> hmm, i didnt use it for a while ...
[11:29] <pips1> I'll just try some of the -- options, then :)
[11:29] <pips1> trial and error :)
[11:29] <cbx33> darn it ogra I wish I'd have gotten grasynco out in time
[11:30] <cbx33> got caught up
[11:30] <cbx33> pips1, next release there is a nice grahpical tool called grasynco to do it all for you
[11:31] <ogra> pips1, rsync -az --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/edgy-install-i386.iso edgy-install-i386.iso (in the edubuntu dir where the iso is ... mind oyu, thats from the top of my head)
[11:36] <mhz> re
[11:37] <mhz> ogra: why is that after specifying DNS at either the network-admin tool or via /etc/resolv.conf, settings are wiped out and none stays there after rebooting?
[11:37] <mhz> oops, hi ogra 
[11:37] <pips1> ogra: so that is using "plain" 'rsync' instead of your 'rsyncer.sh' ... right
[11:37] <ogra> mhz, are you using network manager or do you have installed evil stuff like resolvconf ? 
[11:38] <ogra> pips1, thats what rsyncer actually does :)
[11:38] <mhz> LaserJock: my last try regarding usplash will be a tip I got:sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-YOUR VERSION 
[11:38] <LaserJock> odd
[11:39] <mhz> ogra: i installed Edubuntu server but user prefers/needs  ubuntu look ;)
[11:39] <mhz> so, yes, I have resolvconf (default in my laptop too)
[11:40] <ogra> ouch
[11:40] <ogra> thats crap
[11:40] <mhz> yup
[11:40] <ogra> remove it and your resolv.conf wont be touched
[11:40] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:40] <LaserJock> I had to figure that out the other day
[11:40] <LaserJock> I couldn't figure out why my network wasn't working when I rebooted
[11:40] <ogra> for the initramfs ... use sudo update-initramfs -u
[11:41] <mhz> plus, after user sets dns values viua network-admin tool, these setting still need to be manualy specify by choosing a 'location', instead of just rebooting using previous setting
[11:43] <mhz> ogra: so, basically, you suggest:
[11:43] <mhz> remove resolvconf app
[11:43] <mhz> then
[11:43] <mhz> run initramfs?
[11:43] <mhz> LaserJock: you already solved it?
[11:44] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:44] <LaserJock> the network thing
[11:44] <mhz> that same way?
[11:44] <LaserJock> remove resolvconf
[11:57] <pips1> ogra: I'm almost done rsyncing the amd64-install, which I will try to test with a server with 2 nics setup
[11:58] <ogra> i just discovered a bug on powerpc ...
[11:58] <ogra> i hope it doesnt affect amd64 as well
[11:58] <ogra> :(
[11:58] <pips1> ogra: what live-cd arches do you want me to test, in what priority order?
[11:58] <ogra> all you like ... any prio you want ...
[11:58] <pips1> ok
[11:59] <ogra> i havent tested any yet
[11:59] <pips1> ic
[11:59] <ogra> and i'll have a hard time getting that fix into ppc
[11:59] <pips1> :/
[11:59] <pips1> you know what's going wrong already?
[12:00] <ogra> yes
[12:00] <ogra> a stipud oversight 
[12:00] <pips1> ouch
[12:00] <mhz> YEAH!!! it works
[12:00] <ogra> i moved mknbi to the architecture specific dependencies already, but missed to remove it from ltsp-build-client 
[12:00] <mhz> though we see a nice resolvcong   ---  failed  at booting time :
[12:00] <ogra> so it tries to install it on all arches
[12:00] <mhz> )
[12:01] <ogra> i'm not sure amd64 has mknbi
[12:01] <pips1> mhz: what works?
[12:01] <ogra> but i know ppc doesnt
[12:01] <pips1> ogra: what is mknbi ?
[12:01] <ogra> the etherboot piece that creates netboot kernels
[12:02] <pips1> ach, never mind
[12:02] <mhz> LaserJock: also, the usplash got fixed by running the dpkg-reconfigure thing
[12:02] <mhz> ogra: thx!
[12:02] <mhz> LaserJock: thx!
[12:02] <LaserJock> cool
[12:07] <mhz> oh, well, maybe there is only another issue left.
[12:08] <mhz> Both on his edubuntu server and in my laptop, smaba seems to be crappy
[12:09] <pips1> crappy?
[12:10] <pips1> you can't access any windows partitions? or... ?
[12:11] <mhz> pips1: if we try to install/remove samba, it complains a lot
[12:11] <mhz> and does not let us
[12:11] <mhz> do anything
[12:12] <mhz> aptitude shows it installed
[12:12] <mhz> also, after a dist-upgrade, I even got firefox segmentation fault
[12:13] <pips1> :/
[12:13] <mhz> and some X issues that force me to restart x
[12:14] <mhz> anyone else has had issues after upgrading?
[12:14] <pips1> that sounds pretty unstable to me