[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: fancy adding this too http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=38915
[12:18] <Tonio_> I think that could be usefull
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: we need to improve konqueror, too many kde users are using firefox currently
[12:19] <Tonio_> it is a 3kB tarball but I think I can commit it to kdebase as a patch
[12:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, but it seems like too much of a new feature to add after beta
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, it is not a new feature, just a simple and little addon to the standard konqueror adblock
[12:22] <Tonio_> a frontend in fact....
[12:22] <Tonio_> it doesn't add any feature, just an easier way to manage the existing filter
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I'm testing to implement this, you'll decide if that's too much or no
[12:25] <Tonio_> s/no/not
[12:26] <Riddell> sure, we should test it
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: we need to ping pitti once again for digikam..... I ask him 3 times, but he was away and didn't respond
[02:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm updating kaffeine and writing UVF exception request
[02:38] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:38] <Tonio_> hey bddebian
[02:38] <bddebian> Hi Tonio_
[02:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I added the adblock kpart plugin as a patch to kdeaddons. Tested here, it works
[02:59] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ 
[02:59] <Tonio_> hi Hobbsee
[03:00] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: fancy testing new konqueror features I'm implementing ? we need testers to decide if we upload this ;)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: which ones?  i dont use konq much
[03:00] <bddebian> yep
[03:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: adblock improvement, konqueror flashplugin auto installer and quick view change toolbar
[03:01] <Hobbsee> cool, he did :)
[03:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: he was approved
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nice!!!!  i'll test the last one, certainly
[03:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: here is the point : http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/to-test/
[03:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: for adblock improvement, download konq_plugins
[03:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: for konqueror flashplugin installer : kds + kdelibs
[03:02] <Hobbsee> 404'd
[03:03] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: and for the quick view change button, kds + konqueror and it's dependancies
[03:03] <Tonio_> http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/to_test/
[03:03] <Tonio_> here is the good link sorry
[03:04] <Tonio_> bddebian: you're welcome to test too ;)
[03:06] <Jucato> mornin'!!
[03:07] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[03:07] <Tonio_> hey Jucato
[03:07] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:07] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: testing stuff
[03:07] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee Tonio_!
[03:07] <Tonio_> Jucato: fancy crashing kde ?
[03:07] <Jucato> on Edgy?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> put like that...
[03:07] <Tonio_> Jucato: hehe, seriously, I need testers for a few packages
[03:08] <Hobbsee> do we have to restart x?  i've forgotten how to refresh konq
[03:08] <Jucato> hm... if there's a possibility to make KDE crash on Edgy on VMWare... then I'm all for it! 
[03:08] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no, just killall konqueror
[03:08] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[03:08] <Hobbsee> *resolves the deps manually*
[03:09] <Tonio_> Jucato: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/18
[03:09] <Tonio_> here are the infos
[03:09] <Tonio_> to test flash, simply remove the library on your machine, restart konq and go on a website that needs flash
[03:09] <Jucato> it's ok if I run it on just vmware?
[03:09] <Tonio_> yes
[03:10] <Jucato> okie dokie :)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> come on...i knew this would be a bad idea..
[03:10] <Tonio_> for adblock improvement : http://kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=38915&file1=38915-1.png&file2=38915-2.png&file3=38915-3.png&name=Adblock+Improvement
[03:11] <Tonio_> you should see this
[03:11] <Tonio_> and for the view switcher, simply browse files with konq
[03:11] <Tonio_> Jucato: think about "killall konqueror" since it preloads a konqueror session by default... closing is not enough to refresh its config
[03:11] <Jucato> ok
[03:12] <Hobbsee> okay, i think i've *finally* gotten all the deps
[03:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe :)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, that requires multiple cds too
[03:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm on kaffeine package, new upstream relase (bugfix release) is available
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: woot :)
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: this the one button next to the stop button on konq?
[03:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes
[03:15] <Tonio_> konqueror nativelly has this functionnality, but it gives 3 buttons...... I patched to merge them into one
[03:16] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: click and wait
[03:16] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:16] <Tonio_> it is konq actionlist :)
[03:16] <Tonio_> they all work like that
[03:16] <Tonio_> same for "previous" or "next" for exampla
[03:16] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[03:16] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: doesn't work ?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> it goes dark, but doesnt do anything else
[03:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: push the buttoin and wait a second
[03:17] <Hobbsee> i did :P
[03:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hu ?
[03:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: did you keep the finger on the button for a second ?
[03:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: not "click" and then wait
[03:18] <Hobbsee> ohhhhh....
[03:18] <Hobbsee> right....
[03:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: all kde apps are working like that........ are you really a kde user ? ;)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i was working in windows explorer last night, leave me in peace :P
[03:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe, okay ;)
[03:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: does it work now ?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:19] <Tonio_> cool
[03:19] <Tonio_> I think that really needs to go in
[03:20] <Hobbsee> yeah!  :D
[03:20] <Jucato_> Tonio_: how do I bring up the adblock dialog box? I installed "konq-plugins_3.5.4-0ubuntu6_i386.deb"
[03:20] <Tonio_> then flashplugin :)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> then flashplugin?
[03:21] <Tonio_> Jucato killall konqueror, relaunch it and look at the bottom right, you should have the little icon
[03:21] <Tonio_> click on it, same way it works in firefox
[03:21] <Jucato_> ooh
[03:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: need testing flashplugin installation now ;)
[03:21] <Tonio_> that's the best one :)
[03:21] <Jucato_> the icon looked like Filter search that's why I ignored it lol
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, but how to test? 
[03:22] <Hobbsee> install flashplugin-nonfree or something?
[03:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum, uninstall any libflash*.so
[03:22] <Tonio_> anywhere on your drive
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it matters i dont use ubuntu's firefox?
[03:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: nope, I don't think so
[03:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: just locate flash | grep so
[03:23] <Jucato_> hm.. even openoffice's libflash?
[03:23] <Tonio_> then reload konqueror, and go on a needing flash website
[03:23] <Tonio_> Jucato hehe no of course :)
[03:23] <Jucato_> lol
[03:24] <Tonio_> Jucato libflashplayer.so is the file, but you certainly have several copies of them
[03:24] <Tonio_> so delete them all
[03:24] <Jucato_> hm.. kdelibs_3.5.4 or kdelibs4c2a? (for testing flash)
[03:24] <Tonio_> Jucato and kubuntu-default-settings
[03:24] <Jucato_> nah I don't flash intalled here yet :)
[03:24] <Hobbsee>  /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libflash680li.so?
[03:25] <Jucato_> ah both of those kdelibs?
[03:25] <Tonio_> Jucato great then
[03:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: nope just libflashplayer.so files
[03:25] <Hobbsee> right
[03:25] <Jucato_> er, do I need to have multiverse enabled? or it will enable it like in Amarok's MP3 script?
[03:26] <Tonio_> Jucato no need of a package, or multiverse
[03:26] <Jucato_> cool
[03:26] <Tonio_> and it will not enable it
[03:26] <Jucato_> which should I install: kdelibs_3.5.4 or kdelibs4c2a_3.5.4?
[03:26] <Tonio_> no need to be sudo user
[03:26] <Tonio_> Jucato both
[03:26] <Jucato_> ah
[03:27] <Jucato_> ah it will be installed in the user's directory? 
[03:27] <Tonio_> Jucato yeah, like firefox does
[03:27] <Jucato_> way kool! :)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgers.php is a good URL
[03:27] <Hobbsee> so is the llama song :P
[03:27] <Jucato_> isn't youtube also a good URL? :P
[03:28] <Hobbsee> nah....
[03:28] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:28] <Tonio_> Jucato nope since youtube autodetects if you have flash or not
[03:28] <Jucato_> hah. I usually use newgrounds.com to test
[03:28] <Tonio_> Jucato so konqueror will not get application mimetype required for autoinstallation
[03:28] <Jucato_> ah
[03:28] <Hobbsee> i remember why i dont use this as my browser
[03:28] <Tonio_> Jucato, Hobbsee: a working url : http://www.pcinpact.com
[03:28] <Jucato_> Hobbsee: say bye bye to Firefox :P
[03:29] <Tonio_> just disable adblock and that should be okay
[03:29] <jdong_> ugh, please don't remind me of the friggin badger badger thing
[03:30] <Jucato_> jdong_: oooooh you should see the thread in the forums
[03:30] <Jucato_> jdong_: btw, could you move that to Ubuntu Cafe? I think it shouldn't be in the Edgy Eft section
[03:30] <Hobbsee> *drool*
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: WOW!
[03:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: works ?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah.  once i could get the rotten page to load :P
[03:31] <Hobbsee> on the badger page, no less :)
[03:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe
[03:31] <Hobbsee> *likes albinoblacksheep.com*
[03:31] <Tonio_> f*cking cool isn't it ?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> badger badger badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom!
[03:31] <Hobbsee> yep :D
[03:31] <Hobbsee> wish the firefox versions worked like that
[03:31] <Tonio_> that's a MUST, MUST have
[03:31] <Hobbsee> yep :D
[03:31] <Tonio_> so many users are simply leaving konq because of flash
[03:31] <Jucato_> grr... want to see this....
[03:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: and the good point is we can use this to install other plugins :)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> yep :D
[03:32] <Hobbsee> and then you can work on firefox :)
[03:32] <Tonio_> it has xml file configuration, in kds
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:32] <Jucato_> no need for sudo :)
[03:32] <Tonio_> choose the url, the licence, and the mimetype and that's it
[03:33] <Hobbsee> badger badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom!!!
[03:33] <Jucato_> lol
[03:33] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: when flash9 is out, just an update of kds will do the job ;)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> true that
[03:33] <Jucato_> looks like someone had too much coffee...
[03:33] <Jucato_> lol
[03:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so when I'll ngociate all this with Riddell, please be here to give your feedback :)
[03:34] <Jucato_> lol
[03:34] <Jucato_> so that was the purpose
[03:34] <Tonio_> the problem is that adding big features after a beta is a bit too late
[03:34] <Hobbsee> yes well
[03:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe ;) It took me all the day to do all of this :)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> "broken feature" or "feature that works for some people" is better than "lack of crucial feature"
[03:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: true that
[03:34] <Jucato_> hm... strange.... do I need to do something extra to install the new kdelibs?
[03:35] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the good point is that it doesn't work for non x86 cpu, but it is simply ignored and works as if the patch wans't there
[03:35] <claydoh> holy cr@p! it works!
[03:35] <claydoh> ship it!!
[03:35] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: same if you remove kds, I tested
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: oh good, yep
[03:35] <claydoh> sweeet
[03:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it was important testing this too
[03:36] <claydoh> niiiice
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato_: dpkg -i all of the debs that you needed
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, of course
[03:36] <Tonio_> claydoh: which feature are you talking about ? the flash installer ?
[03:36] <claydoh> well that was sooo good, I am going out to buy some ice cream
[03:36] <claydoh> flash
[03:36] <Jucato_> Hobbsee: for some odd reason, kdelibs4c2a won't install... hmm...
[03:36] <Tonio_> claydoh: hehe okay :)
[03:36] <claydoh> don'y really use an adblocker much
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato_: check the deps as for why :P
[03:36] <claydoh> but it looks good from here
[03:37] <Hobbsee> *already has konq adblocker installed, i think*
[03:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we can even create a template for ad64 and ppc, if the .tar.gz was available :)
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hehe, true that
[03:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: not usefull not, but for the future, can be interesting
[03:37] <claydoh> well the mrs want some ice cream, at her usual 9:45 PM craving, so I might as welltreat everyone
[03:37] <Hobbsee> make sure you do one for shockwave :P
[03:38] <Hobbsee> 9.45pm icecream?  scary
[03:38] <claydoh> ya then I can play all those southpark games :)
[03:38] <claydoh> ya, *just* before all the big stores close
[03:38] <claydoh> 9:45 asin 21:45 (in the evening)
[03:38] <Jucato_> hmm.. that is just soo strange....
[03:39] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:39] <claydoh> I forget the rst of the universe uses a 24 hr clock more or less
[03:39] <Hobbsee> much.
[03:40] <Jucato_> dpkg doesn't give any errors when installing kdelibs4c2a, but when I try to install kdelibs_3.5.4, it says that the new kdelibs4c2a isn't installed...
[03:40] <Jucato_> ah.. hm...
[03:40] <Tonio_> Jucato install both at the same time
[03:41] <Jucato_> I think I forgot to install kdelibs-data? 
[03:41] <Tonio_> Jucato yep, indeed
[03:41] <Hobbsee> -e
[03:41] <Jucato_> yeah... only problem was kdelibs4c2a wasn't complaining about missing deps
[03:42] <Hobbsee> i can give you the whole list of what you need, if you want
[03:42] <Tonio_> ust one thing, that will break your apt config ;)
[03:42] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> that's where you have to be able to manipulate apt
[03:42] <Jucato_> oh it's ok... I took a snapshot of VMWare before I did all these :P
[03:42] <Tonio_> so when finished, just do apt-get remove "everything you installed" && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: why in particular will it break the apt config?
[03:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it breaks config if you haven't installed everything, since you will have dependancies issues
[03:43] <Hobbsee> true that
[03:43] <Tonio_> for example kcontrol depends on kdebase-bin 0ubuntu27 ans not 28 etc.......
[03:44] <Tonio_> that's not complicated, remove all packages that are causing issues, and reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[03:44] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:44] <Hobbsee> or just wait until the rest of it gets upgraded
[03:44] <Jucato_> heh
[03:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes, that's another solution but that means no updates for 3 or 4 days
[03:47] <Hobbsee> on kdelibs and the like, or everything?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> oh yes, i see now.
[03:49] <Jucato_> yay flash works!!!!
[03:49] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:49] <Jucato_> great job Tonio_
[03:49] <Jucato_> btw.. Hobbsee that badger site is just whacked
[03:50] <Jucato_> now for the next one...
[03:50] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:50] <Hobbsee> check out llama.php too :D
[03:50] <Hobbsee> come on kdelibs-dbg_3.5.4-0ubuntu18_i386.deb.part....
[03:52] <Tonio_> Jucato_: thanks :)
[03:54] <Jucato_> Hobbsee: that llama song is just LOL!!
[03:55] <Hobbsee> :D
[03:58] <Jucato_> lol dependency purgatory!
[04:01] <Tonio_> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=35325&PHPSESSID=cbedac311165baa901d5c735dc230fd7
[04:01] <Jucato_> yay it works!!!
[04:01] <Tonio_> we need a package for this ! let's go !!!!!
[04:02] <Jucato_> Tonio_: to be included in Edgy?
[04:03] <Tonio_> Jucato probably too late for this....
[04:03] <Jucato_> ah
[04:04] <Tonio_> Jucato hum, cpp files miss licence info, so I have to ping upstream before packaging
[04:04] <Jucato_> Tonio_: just one question about the View Mode icon. is it best to place it beside the stop button?
[04:05] <Tonio_> Jucato where else ?
[04:05] <Jucato_> hm.. before filter search?
[04:05] <Tonio_> on the right ? doesn't make sense for me.....
[04:06] <Jucato_> heh.. it just looked a bit out of place... Back, Forward, Up, Home, Refresh, Stop, <View Mode>, Clear Location, Location field
[04:06] <Jucato_> well, that's just me :P
[04:12] <Jucato> anyway, it works great Tonio_! I really love the changes and hope they make it into Edgy (RC maybe?)
[04:12] <Jucato> if my voice/vote counts, that's +1 from me :P
[04:13] <Tonio_> Jucato well should be in in a few days after beta is out
[04:13] <Jucato> very nice :)
[04:26] <claydoh> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11505&PHPSESSID=cbedac311165baa901d5c735dc230fd7
[04:27] <Jucato> isn't there a similar service menu that MEPIS is using?
[04:30] <claydoh> dunno, probably
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i cant reproduce your kopete bug
[04:51] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: which one ?
[04:52] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/61930
[04:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61930 in kopete "Freeze when clicking a URL." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[04:55] <imbrandon> Tonio_, dident you say a reboot fixed that for you
[05:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ah ! It was due to kdelibs update :) I simply rebooted the computer and it reworked.
[05:07] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yeah I said that.......;
[05:07] <Tonio_> I'm doing a uvf exception request for kmplayer
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cool, okay.  i cant reproduce it :P
[05:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe :)
[05:10] <imbrandon> reject reject reject ..... heheh i need a big reject stamp today
[05:10] <Jucato> :)
[05:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:10] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:11] <imbrandon> cool
[05:11] <Hobbsee> and...um...make myself the maintainer of kopete
[05:11] <imbrandon> heh
[05:11] <Jucato> lol
[05:13] <ajmitch> typical Hobbsee 
[05:13] <Hobbsee> i keep getting asked if i'm the maintainer, etc.
[05:13] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:13] <Jucato> you talked to apachelogger yet?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> nope...hence the "um"
[05:14] <Hobbsee> s
[05:14] <Jucato> lol
[05:38] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:38] <Jucato> oh I will bug Hobbsee, I really will :P
[05:56] <ajmitch> so violent..
[05:58] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: indeed.  count yourself lucky that you got home in one piece :P
[05:58] <ajmitch> I am, I really am :)
[05:59] <Hobbsee> i'm surprised that you're even thinking about coming back into the same country as me
[06:08] <imbrandon> heh
[06:14] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I think I can sneak in without you knowing
[06:14] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yeah, you might.  good luck with that
[06:14] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:14] <ajmitch> however hiding from you at LCA may be harder
[06:20] <Hobbsee> ;)
[06:20] <Hobbsee> i'd thought you'd be more interested in hiding from pia, before she makes you do something :P
[06:26] <ajmitch> nah, pia wouldn't do that :)
[07:03] <jdong_> grr, would we take a patch for ktorrent backported from svn?
[07:03] <jdong_> it's supposed to resolve ktorrent's oscillating/slow/stalled download behavior
[07:04] <jdong_> I'm currently building and testing out the patch
[07:06] <Hobbsee> jdong_: and put it into edgy?  sure
[07:07] <jdong_> Hobbsee: yeah, I'm targeting for edgy inclusion. I want ktorrent to be a viable client dammit :)
[07:08] <Hobbsee> jdong_: heh.  dunno why.  i tend to do that for kopete all the time - particularly when we were using 0.11 still
[07:08] <jdong_> it seems like upstream is going new-feature-crazy in the interest of a 2.1 release, so I think it's a better idea for us to isolate that one fix than introduce a new version now
[07:09] <Hobbsee> true that.  is the version done now?
[07:09] <jdong_> no, svn's a half-finished monster now
[07:09] <jdong_> I'm just cherry-picking diffs that pertain to fixing the download problem
[07:10] <Hobbsee> yeah, grab the patches to fix the bugs, and then wait till freeze ends
[07:10] <jdong_> and jesus ktorrent upstream sucks at using svn effectively
[07:10] <jdong_> it's a nightmare :)
[07:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: want to add https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/48954 to your kdelibs packages?
[07:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48954 in kdelibs "KDE File Sharing doesn't work with 2-character long home directories" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[07:29] <Hobbsee> or just wait for kde 3.5.5?
[07:30] <Hobbsee> actually, not sure if that is  fixed upstream. *shrug*
[07:31] <imbrandon> if Tonio_ dosent get to it i will after he uploads
[07:32] <imbrandon> jdong yea just upload the new changes to revu when you get done and i'll poke at them and uplaod it 
[07:32] <imbrandon> ( after freeze )
[07:36] <jdong_> imbrandon: k, thx, will have fun figuring out which patch is needed and which is not
[07:44] <imbrandon> Tonio_, !!
[07:45] <imbrandon> Tonio_, you did get permission to break the freeze for kdebase right ? heh
[08:19] <jdong_> whee... looks like it works... :)
[08:25] <imbrandon> cool
[08:25] <imbrandon> feel free to email me a debdiff or just put the whole thing on revu
[08:25] <imbrandon> either way
[08:30] <jdong_> imbrandon: alright; I'm uploading to revu now
[08:30] <jdong_> believe it or not, this would be my first time using revu
[08:30] <imbrandon> haha
[08:30] <jdong_> so do make sure I didn't screw anything up with the package :)
[08:30] <imbrandon> sure ;)
[08:30] <jdong_> thanks
[08:30] <imbrandon> thats the plan ;)
[08:31] <jdong_> maybe if I'm not too much of a klutz at this stuff, I will go for MOTU :)
[08:31] <imbrandon> heh 
[08:31] <Jucato> (make sure jdong_ built against the right release...)
[08:31] <jdong_> Jucato: thankfully, these are source packages :)
[08:31] <Jucato> :)
[08:31] <imbrandon> Jucato, that wont matter , as i'll build it localy to test , revu will build it and the buildd's will build it
[08:32] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:35] <Hobbsee> cant be left out :P
[08:35] <Jucato> lol
[08:36] <jdong_> wow, it's 3 in the morning alraedy
[08:36] <jdong_> ajmitch: I didn't do it! I swear! ;-)
[08:36] <Jucato> lol
[08:36] <Jucato> (broken uploads c/o jdong_)
[08:37] <jdong_> YAAH
[08:37] <ajmitch> yes, you're not in the keyring, big surprise
[08:38] <ajmitch> so your upload was rejected
[08:38] <jdong_> ajmitch: oh does it take time from joining the contributor team?
[08:38] <jdong_> or do I need to do something else?
[08:38] <ajmitch> yes
[08:38] <ajmitch> you need to ask a revu admin to sync keyring
[08:38] <jdong_> ah, ok
[08:38] <Jucato> jdong_: :P
[08:39] <ajmitch> and then an admin gets frustrated with you, etc, syncs the keyring, unrejects the package..
[08:39] <jdong_> sorry :)
[08:39] <ajmitch> jdong_: this is a new package you're uploading, I hope?
[08:39] <jdong_> uhhh
[08:39] <jdong_> not really?
[08:40] <jdong_> imbrandon suggested I upload it to revu... sorry if that's not the appropriate means
[08:40] <ajmitch> since revu isn't really set for reviewing changes to an existing package
[08:41] <imbrandon> [01:25]  <imbrandon> feel free to email me a debdiff or just put the whole thing on revu  <--- s/upload to revu/attache to malone
[08:41] <imbrandon> heh
[08:42] <imbrandon> jdong : debdiff *.dsc > blah.debdiff
[08:52] <jdong_> imbrandon: bug 62565
[08:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62565 in ktorrent "svn patches for improved download speed." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62565
[08:52] <ajmitch> jdong_: your ktorrent upload will have to wait until after beta release, of course
[08:53] <jdong_> ajmitch: yep, I'm aware.
[09:02] <imbrandon> jdong ok got it, building and testing localy, if all go's well i'll upload when the freeze is over
[10:45] <seaLne> weird my (ok not really mine) laptop seems to hang after some period of use after resuming from hibernate
[12:23] <kwwii> Riddell: the powermanager icons are updated in svn
[12:30] <Riddell> kwwii: cool, I'll pacakge that after beta
[12:32] <Riddell> very bling
[12:58] <imbrandon> heya Riddell and kwwii, gnight Riddell and kwwii ;)
[12:58] <kwwii> night imbrandon
[12:58] <seaLne> Riddell: you looked at libqt-ruby-qt4?
[12:58] <imbrandon> actualy i'm just going for a short nap, eyes been looking at revu all night
[12:58] <imbrandon> anyhow see yall in a bit
[12:59] <kwwii> hehe, have a good nap
[01:00] <Riddell> seaLne: I thought Tonio_ was going to upload that
[01:00] <Jucato> Hobbsee you're dancing again :P
[01:00] <Riddell> seems he hasn't
[01:01] <Riddell> seaLne: I looked at the debdiff and it's fine, so I'll upload now
[01:01] <Jucato> lol
[01:05] <Riddell> seaLne: uploaded
[01:11] <Tonio_> yo
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: which package should I have uploaded ?
[01:11] <Jucato> ooh el's doing the dance too :)
[01:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: qt4quby
[01:12] <Tonio_> ahhhhhhhhh yes, sorry I forgot....
[01:12] <Tonio_> I'm doing this
[01:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't!
[01:12] <Riddell> I just did
[01:12] <Tonio_> Ridokay
[01:12] <Tonio_> oups, okay.... just woke up :)
[01:12] <Riddell> seaLne: anything else of yours we should look at?
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: the adblock addon works like a charm ;)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> you got all the bits added?
[01:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: and several persons including Hobbsee tested the changes successfully, including the flash installer, who has worked for everyone
[01:15] <seaLne> Riddell: not atm
[01:16] <Jucato> using this as a Flash test site: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgers.php
[01:16] <Jucato> Hobbsee's favorite :)
[01:16] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:17] <Hobbsee> llama.php is good too :D
[01:17] <Jucato> yeah but the badger page is on crack! :P
[01:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: just found an issue with systemsettings...
[01:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: all menus are locked, and I couldn't find a way to patch a kcm desktop file to appear the the menus...
[01:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: knemo now uses a kcm module to be configure, and it is therefore unusable
[01:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should have a possibility to add modules to systemsettings without touching it's code
[01:25] <Riddell> probably _Sime knows more about that than I do
[01:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes I'll ask him, it was previously possible by adding a "systemsettings" category, we should add that back so that we can path universe apps for this
[01:28] <allee> Tonio_: knemo: AFAIU to start it one would need to change a config value and then tell kded to load knemo
[01:29] <Tonio_> allee: changed with kded
[01:29] <Tonio_> allee: it is not a kde service anymore, and needs to be launched the first time from its kcontrol module
[01:29] <Tonio_> allee: changed with 0.4.5, sorry ;)
[01:30] <Tonio_> allee: I packaged it yesterday and saw that change, and issue with k-s-s
[01:31] <allee> Tonio_: AFAIU that 0.4.5 works behind the scene.  There a global config value that determine if knemo should run if yes, the kded value to load knemo automaticly get's set and knemo loaded.  You can do this in a desktop file too ;)
[01:32] <allee> Tonio_: that knemo works now this way was originally Dirk Mueller change to knemo is not running automaticly on multiuser systems
[01:32] <allee> brb
[01:33] <Tonio_> allee: hehe great ;)
[01:33] <Tonio_> allee: the point is that we still have an issue with systemsettings
[01:34] <bddebian> Heya
[01:34] <Tonio_> allee: but I didn't knew for knemo, thanks the the info
[01:34] <Tonio_> hey bddebian
[01:34] <bddebian> Hi Tonio_
[01:43] <allee> Tonio_: s-s proboem? With knemo's kcm module?
[01:44] <Tonio_> allee: well k-s-s menus are fixed, there is no way to add a new module except touching the code, which was possible with previous version, by tagging the desktop file
[01:45] <Tonio_> allee: that should be changed, so that we can patch applications to appear in kss
[01:45] <Tonio_> it worked before, but not anymore, so I have to check that with sime
[01:45] <allee> ah, okay
[01:45] <Tonio_> we have to define a category for each kss section
[01:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will ask people to test konq improvements today, so that we can decide if we upload them or not
[01:46] <allee> Tonio_: so the problem is not a desktop file that starts knemo but a desktop file to get it into k-s-s
[01:46] <Tonio_> allee: true that
[01:47] <Tonio_> allee: fancy testing the changes in konq ?
[01:47] <allee> Tonio_: I like to confuse you ;)  Nevertheless sorry for not getting the point before jumping in
[01:47] <Tonio_> allee: hehe, no pb :)
[01:48] <allee> Tonio_: For next 10 days I enjoy 64k connection.  Not good to update edgy all the time ;)
[01:48] <Tonio_> allee: ah... :)
[01:50] <allee> hi Hobbsee 
[01:50] <Hobbsee> hey allee :)
[01:58] <Tonio_> .reboots
[02:03] <Tonio_> is universe frozen today ? I think it is tomorrow no ?
[02:04] <Riddell> tomorrow
[02:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I can sync a universe app... great, I'm uploading knemo
[02:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: new debian version is available for more than a month
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho, didn't told you I subscribed you to 2 UVF Exception Requests, for kaffeine and kmplayer
[02:07] <Tonio_> new kaffeine is mostly a bugfix release, so we really should get it in
[02:09] <Tonio_> allee: already plaid with http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=16264 ?
[02:10] <Tonio_> allee: looks pretty cool, and more "automatic" than knemo, doesn't prompt for anything when started
[02:10] <Tonio_> we probably should give a look :)
[02:15] <allee> Tonio_: no , have not tried it.  I've given up on network monitors...
[02:15] <allee>  I pester for some time the network-monitor applet writers to work together, without success ;)
[02:15] <Tonio_> allee: well I generally use one
[02:16] <Tonio_> allee: hehe, yeah I agree ;)
[02:17] <allee> Tonio_: when knetstats autodetec is clever enough to ignore the #$%!%#@ ;) sit0 interface.  I would switch
[02:18] <allee> Should we submit a wish so knemo autodetect can be run at first time run?  Detect code is already there.
[02:19] <Tonio_> allee: probably yes, but well if knetstats already does it, I will simply switch :)
[02:19] <allee> but to be honest the your preconfigured setting are better easier to fix/adapt that any 'I'm clever code' ;)
[02:21] <allee> Tonio_: is it pkped already? My knemo usage is not set in stone either ;)
[02:21] <Tonio_> allee: I'm just doing the package
[02:22] <Tonio_> allee: will submit on revu today and upfully upload before universe is frozen
[02:22] <Tonio_> allee: interesting in porting hte package to debian ?
[02:26] <allee> Tonio_: I only submit to a debian repo, I always test on kubuntu ;)
[02:27] <Tonio_> allee: hehe okay, I'll give you the link for deb file
[02:28] <allee> ah, oh this reminds me   alioth-kde-extras-repo-for-kubunties wiki is still on my todo
[02:28] <Tonio_> allee: and I still need to get an alioth account.......
[03:21] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ?
[03:25] <Tonio_> anyone to revu http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3264 please ?
[04:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: looks perfect
[04:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: tried everything ?
[04:13] <Riddell> kwwii: your bug I think https://launchpad.net/bugs/62618
[04:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62618 in kubuntu-default-settings "edgy default purple color ugly" [Wishlist,Rejected]  
[04:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: just looked at the packaging
[04:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay ;) I just had hard time convertir adblock from cmake to automake
[04:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm not very use to write kde makefiles, even small ones ;)
[04:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: we have lots of stupid bugs now, same here : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/62291
[04:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62291 in kdebase "Image from removable device set as background not kept" [Unknown,Confirmed]  
[04:16] <Tonio_> tastes or stupidnes of users aren't bug afaik ;)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> we've got one about a wifi card not being detected in any ubuntu distro, as part of k-d-s
[04:16] <Hobbsee> i couldnt even imagine where to throw that one.  maybe suggest "try ndiswrapper, or google for a solution"
[04:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee, hehe :)
[04:17] <Tonio_> honnestly, 62291 is probably the more stupid bug I've seen......
[04:17] <Tonio_> that's NORMAL behavior
[04:18] <Riddell> bug 62291
[04:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62291 in kdebase "Image from removable device set as background not kept" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62291
[04:18] <Hobbsee> true that
[04:18] <Hobbsee> "works as intended"
[04:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't had "bug" since I already pasted the url 5 lines above :)
[04:19] <Tonio_> okay let's bug this :
[04:20] <Tonio_> "I'm symlinking a file over a smb share, I unplug the network cable, and the symlink fails to find the file"
[04:20] <Tonio_> "the idea would be to localy cache every external ressource for people that are not comfortable with a computer"
[04:20] <Tonio_> pffffffffffff.........
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you do that, then you get bugs complaining about apps not failing loudly enough due to not enough hard drive space
[04:22] <Tonio_> cache is EVIL
[04:22] <Tonio_> we have to avoid cache as much as possible
[04:22] <Tonio_> look at windows, you have cached datas everywhere, even DNS, and what to do when the cache is corrupted ?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> except for apt-cache and pbuilder-cache :P
[04:22] <Hobbsee> true that
[04:22] <Tonio_> network doesn't work
[04:22] <Tonio_> HobbseeI will reject he bug, in a diplomatic way
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: smart.    :)
[04:33] <Tonio_> Hobbsee bug 62291, that's diplomatic :)
[04:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62291 in kdebase "Image from removable device set as background not kept" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62291
[04:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nice :)
[04:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was wondering if we shouldn't perform a foomatic-cleanupdrivers within kds or kdeprint postint script
[04:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: lots of people need to perform this to get kdeprint to work
[04:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tested the command with a previously installed printer, it doesn't cause any issue
[04:38] <marseillai> I assume I agree with this bug. just copy the wallpaper in .kde/wallpaper.jpg and set this as wallpaper could be enough. The only thing would to change it when you change the wallpaper.
[04:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: any opinion ?
[04:38] <Tonio_> marseillai: hum, yes, but if we do this, we'll bever see the end
[04:39] <Tonio_> marseillai: and that'll give another bug
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what happens if it gets run twice?  any problems?
[04:39] <marseillai> i agree with this too Tonio_ 
[04:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee nope
[04:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee I ran it three times here, and relaunched kdeprint, my printer still works
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: makes sense to run wiht it then, as long as it doesnt break anything
[04:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee, I agree, but I'd like Riddell's opinion first, since printing is a very sensible demain with kde :)
[04:40] <Tonio_> marseillai: then the guy replacing the file on the fly will not see any change at kde reload, and post a bug too...
[04:41] <Tonio_> marseillai: to me users have to use their brain too :)
[04:41] <marseillai> when they have one ...
[04:41] <marseillai> :)
[04:41] <Tonio_> marseillai: if you link to a remote file and unplug the key, the remote file is gone
[04:41] <Tonio_> marseillai: that makes sense in my opinion
[04:42] <marseillai> it make sense yes. but this could be a so little thing wich can bring usability confort. (to me)
[04:42] <Tonio_> marseillai: yes, but there are so much priorities ;)
[04:42] <marseillai> i don't have use for this "feature" because i've a directory dedicated for wallpaper but this could help user with sleeping brain! :)
[04:51] <Hobbsee> hey we planed to figure out the dpi stuff for edgy
[04:51] <Hobbsee> needless to say, we didnt.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> well, havent so far.  wonder if there's a good way of detecting the screen size.
[04:52] <Tonio_> Hobbsee in theory only, but screens generally respond bad value
[04:52] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:52] <Tonio_> Hobbsee it has been widely debated during dapper release cycle
[04:52] <Hobbsee> yes, i remember it.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> where we just went with 96dpi, as it was the same as gnome.
[04:53] <Tonio_> yup
[04:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: do you know what foomatic-cleanupdrivers actually does?
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: cleans a drivers cache that kdeprint uses
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: when it is cleaned, kdeprint regerates it, simply
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: am I wrong ?
[04:56] <jdong_> hobbsee: SUSE tries to detect screen size to set resolution, but it's pretty hit-or-miss
[04:56] <Hobbsee> right
[04:56] <jdong_> hobbsee: the results are a pleasant surprise when fonts are readable on my 15.4/1920x1400 screen
[04:56] <jdong_> but on another 1024x768 flat panel, the results were horrid
[04:57] <jdong_> SUSE actually has a fallback mechanism... it'll ask you on first boot if it couldn't detect your screen size
[04:57] <jdong_> only problem is when it thinks it knows, but it's wrong :D
[04:58] <Hobbsee> jdong_: heh.  right.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> yeah, true that
[04:58] <Hobbsee> it's dodgy on my machine too
[04:58] <abattoir> Riddell: hi, any idea how i can find why oem-config-gtk is being downloaded and installed even though it isn't on the CD(this happens randomly, sometimes it is installed, most times it isnt)
[04:58] <jdong_> lol
[04:58] <Hobbsee> in dapper a while ago - works much better nwo
[04:59] <jdong_> night :)
[05:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: foomatic-cleanupdrivers is just a matter of cache, there is no issue running it, except kdeprint will take 5 reconds to rebuild the cache when accessing the driver list after this command.
[05:03] <Riddell> abattoir: no idea
[05:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: so maybe a postinst script of k-d-s
[05:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, yes, okay, let's do that
[05:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm doing this now since I have a pending kds package
[05:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee_: remember when I said cache was evil ? here is another exemple :)
[05:04] <Jucato> (Hobbsee's gone...)
[05:04] <Jucato> *sniff* *sniff*
[05:04] <Tonio_> Jucato: hum, true that, but she'll read when coming back
[05:04] <abattoir> Hobbsee_ hasn't :)
[05:05] <Jucato> ooh... a ghost :P
[05:06] <jdong_> lol
[05:07] <jdong_> grr
[05:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just rebuild my repo for people who want to test the new packages... it'll make it easier
[06:31] <jdong_> holy crap these patches make ktorrent fly :)
[06:34] <nixternal> ya, but cupsys is now broke ;)
[06:35] <jdong_> aww :(
[06:35] <jdong_> cupsys seems to be a nightmare, doesn't it...
[06:36] <nixternal> it never has for me...as long as you use a HP printer you are good
[06:36] <nixternal> hehe me too
[06:36] <jdong_> damn ktorrent is beating out azureus now
[06:37] <jdong_> can't wait till we get those patches into edgy
[06:37] <jdong_> come on beta freeze..... melt :)
[06:37] <abattoir> jdong_: where'd i get these patches? :P
[06:38] <jdong_> abattoir: bug 62565
[06:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62565 in ktorrent "svn patches for improved download speed." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62565
[06:38] <abattoir> jdong_: thanks :)
[06:38] <jdong_> np :)
[06:46] <nixternal> argh, the updates broke my kdm again
[07:00] <Tonio_> http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/
[07:00] <Tonio_> hehe I love php :)
[07:01] <Tonio_> Riddell, imbrandon: when do we do the next meeting ?
[07:02] <Tonio_> jdong_: want me to prepare a package for ktorrent after beta is out ?
[07:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: next thursday I thought
[07:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: in one week ?
[07:05] <Tonio_> hum, cool that's nice to get beta feedback
[07:05] <nixternal> Tonio_: i like your site alot...i wish i could get mine that clean, but i am graphically retarded
[07:05] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.com
[07:05] <Tonio_> nixternal: I too :)
[07:06] <nixternal> i don't even know my own website address ;)
[07:06] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org
[07:06] <Tonio_> nixternal: in fact I used a modified dotclear theme, ken graphics, and a friend's blog css :)
[07:06] <nixternal> hehe
[07:06] <Tonio_> nixternal: I didn't do anything myself
[07:06] <Tonio_> nixternal: your blog isn't ugly at all
[07:06] <nixternal> i did all the graphics on my page...well, lets just say I "colorized" them to match my colors
[07:07] <nixternal> i think the purple is to purple maybe
[07:07] <nixternal> all the purple though is #6569ae, but it gets that dark color when you place an image over it..the images are transparent, but there is some shading that takes the purple and changes it
[07:07] <Tonio_> nixternal: I'm sure I couldn't have done better ;)
[07:08] <jdong_> Tonio_: imbrandon said that he would
[07:08] <Tonio_> jdong ah okay, let's forget this then :)
[07:08] <Tonio_> jdong_: I'm just keeping the package here in case imbrandon suddenly decides to migrate to suse :)
[07:08] <jdong_> LMAO
[07:09] <nixternal> haha
[07:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[07:09] <nixternal> i hope not...suse is in trouble..they don't have money and are not paying their bills...novells little issue is all over our business news here in the use..i guess they defaulted on a $350m note
[07:09] <nixternal> s/use/usa
[07:10] <nixternal> right now they reported that funding of their open source projects would have to wait, because the novell suite needs the money..they had red hats head dude on tv talking with a big smile
[07:11] <Tonio_> nixternal: hehe, I didn't knew this
[07:12] <Tonio_> hard time for linux companies, mandriva too is in trouble... only redhat seems to be on its top
[07:16] <nixternal> woohoo..no more terrell owens stinking up football!
[07:17] <Tonio_> best song of history
[07:19] <nixternal> ya, i went to a open source seminar last week or the week before...the topic was "WTF Is Linux"
[07:20] <Tonio_> nixternal: hehe, funny :)
[07:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: will you support kaffeine and kmplayer uvfe ? that'll help mdz to approve I assume
[07:22] <mdz> Tonio_: FYI, I don't expect to be able to look at that until after beta
[07:23] <Tonio_> mdz: of course I didn't expect anything before beta is out :)
[07:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, I do, what's the bug numbers again?
[07:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: bug 62554 and bug 64544
[07:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62554 in kmplayer "0.9.2a -> 0.9.3 UVF Exception Request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62554
[07:25] <Tonio_> bug 62544
[07:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62544 in kaffeine "0.8.1 -> 0.8.2 UVF Exception Request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62544
[07:33] <nixternal> gg cablemodem
[07:33] <nixternal> you know you are a geek, that when a cable modem dies, you have a choice from about 5 other replacements
[07:39] <nixternal> hey...we have a Kubuntu emergency
[07:39] <nixternal> tomorrow is beta release, and we don't have a release page ready
[07:39] <nixternal> has there been a lot of changes since Knot 3?  I have the artwork section covered
[07:40] <nixternal> obviously a kernel upgrade, but anything "big"
[07:41] <seaLne> was upstart in knot3?
[07:45] <abattoir> nixternal: i could have finally given you the oem-config pics you were asking, but i'm not sure of it's status yet...
[07:45] <nixternal> upstart was in knot3
[07:46] <nixternal> abattoir: Tollef just said it is broke
[07:46] <nixternal> Oem-config has a bug where it does not start correctly and is therefore non-functional. [https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/oem-config/+bug/62648 The bug]  will be updated and once a fixed daily snapshot is available it will be linked to from this page.
[07:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62648 in oem-config "immediately crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[07:46] <abattoir> nixternal: yes, i was watching too :(
[07:46] <nixternal> ok
[07:46] <nixternal> hehe
[07:47] <nixternal> it will probably be fixed within the next few hours im sure
[07:47] <Lure> nixternal: multi battery support in powermanager
[07:47] <nixternal> well..the next snapshot or latest daily to be done up
[07:47] <abattoir> well, Kamion 'fixed' it, i dont know if it gets into the beta...
[07:47] <Lure> nixternal: should we announce _Sime's media patches?
[07:47] <nixternal> well, it needs to be displayed for the masses soon
[07:48] <Lure> nixternal: I think that are in good state 
[07:48] <nixternal> the CD fixes
[07:48] <nixternal> man...my brain is definitely shot
[07:48] <nixternal> it has only been a week..and i can't remember what was done yesterday =/
[08:01] <_Sime> hi guys
[08:08] <Tonio_> hey _Sime :)
[08:08] <Tonio_> _Sime: I have a little issue with k-s-s
[08:08] <Tonio_> _Sime: maybe you'll have the response
[08:09] <_Sime> something about things no appearing in it.
[08:09] <Tonio_> _Sime: how to allow a new component for example in network, without changing the code ?
[08:09] <Tonio_> _Sime: it worked before, by tagging the kcm module's desktop file
[08:09] <Tonio_> _Sime: it looks like it is not possible
[08:10] <_Sime> Tonio_: the menu xml file needs extra "catch-all" lines added to it to display those other desktop files.
[08:11] <Tonio_> _Sime: it worked before, not by adding that to the xml file, but via the categories tag in desktop files
[08:11] <_Sime> Tonio_: I know.
[08:11] <Tonio_> _Sime: we should change the xml file to allow that again, and we should define a series of tags that we can add to the kcm apps packages
[08:11] <Tonio_> _Sime: isn't that the good way to do ?
[08:12] <Tonio_> _Sime: so that if we want to enable something in kss, we just have to patch the desktop file in source package
[08:12] <_Sime> Tonio_: it is not hard to fix. 
[08:12] <Tonio_> _Sime: yeah I know, but as you maintain the code now :)
[08:13] <_Sime> Tonio_: it is more a matter of including a heap things based on a tag and then explicitly removing all of the other modules that you don't want.
[08:13] <Tonio_> _Sime: if we define specific tags, different from kcontrol ones, that's not needed
[08:14] <_Sime> Tonio_: true, you could make a general tag and an advanced tag.
[08:14] <Tonio_> yeas
[08:15] <Tonio_> _Sime: the point is that we need to define allowed tags and allow them in kss
[08:15] <Tonio_> _Sime: probably a tag per category is the best
[08:15] <_Sime> Tonio_: that is also possible.
[08:15] <Tonio_> like "network settings"
[08:15] <Tonio_> for example knemo should go there
[08:16] <Tonio_> maybe a tag for general, one for advanced and another one for subcategories
[08:16] <Tonio_> _Sime: would you be okay for this ?
[08:17] <_Sime> I don't have a problem with it. The biggest problem will be for the packagers, and also compat with debian packages.
[08:17] <_Sime> and just with kcontrol in general.
[08:17] <Tonio_> _Sime: yeah I know, that means we will have to patch everything
[08:18] <Tonio_> _Sime: but as we have reordered the menus, it would be a pain to patch everything if we base everything on tags
[08:18] <Tonio_> _Sime: that probably the best compromise
[08:18] <Tonio_> _Sime: doesn't appear in kss, but if we want it, we have the possibility to patch
[08:18] <Tonio_> _Sime: there aren't that many kcm modules
[08:18] <_Sime> true
[08:18] <Tonio_> _Sime: I am ready to patch all of them if needed
[08:18] <_Sime> and true
[08:19] <Tonio_> _Sime: here is the point, can you decide the tags and update kss, and then I'll check at kcm modules and provides the patches
[08:19] <seaLne> has anyone played with encrypted root? i'm not gettting very far
[08:23] <_Sime> Tonio_: yeah, I can do that.
[08:23] <Tonio_> _Sime: great, let me know when it's done, I'll prepare a new k-s-s package, and I will look at kcm modules that need to be patched
[08:42] <_Sime> Tonio_: do you have an svn account at kde?
[08:47] <Tonio_> _Sime: nope
[08:49] <Tonio_> _Sime: I don't need one since I don't code, I can grab and package as anonymous
[08:57] <Riddell> imbrandon: how's koffice?
[09:09] <Tonio_> hum the locales package has changed..... sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't prompt me to check a new one
[09:10] <Tonio_> is that a bug or wanted purpose ?
[09:13] <Riddell> gen-locale
[09:14] <gnomefreak> its intended last i heard
[09:20] <lnxkde> sup!?
[09:27] <Mez> Tonio_, ping
[09:28] <Tonio_> Mez: pong
[09:28] <Mez> Tonio_, it was you who wrote KZenExplorer right ?
[09:29] <Tonio_> Mez: nope
[09:29] <Tonio_> Mez: I'm not a coder
[09:29] <Mez> !whois Anthony Mercante
[09:29] <ubotu> whois: the GNU whois client. In component main, is optional. Version 4.7.11ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 28 kB, installed size 252 kB
[09:29] <Tonio_> Mez: my name is Anthony Mercatante
[09:29] <Tonio_> close but not the same :)
[09:30] <Mez> ah, no, its andreas
[09:30] <Mez> ~seen muszilla
[09:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I know for locale-gen, but we previously had a graphical scripted thing while reconfiguring the package....... that was far better
[09:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: that avoided editing /var/lib/locales/supported.d/* etc...
[09:36] <jdong> whee! gentoo/AIGLX/nvidia crack :)
[09:38] <Mez> graphics on this box are uber dodgy
[09:43] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[09:43] <Mez> or imbrandon
[09:44] <Mez> or someone with main upload rights
[09:51] <Riddell> Mez: hi
[09:51] <Mez> ~Riddell: got a patch for katapult (double backspace) and soon to be an amarok fix patch too
[09:52] <Mez> Riddell *
[10:00] <Mez> Riddell: http://tiber.tauware.de/~mez//kubuntu_05_fix_doublebackspace.diff
[10:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there any reason the debconf interface has been removed from the locales package ? that was very usefull...
[10:00] <Tonio_> Mez: I'm preparing the package
[10:01] <Mez> Tonio_, what package ?
[10:01] <Tonio_> Mez: katapult :)
[10:01] <Tonio_> with the patch
[10:01] <Mez> ah :D well I'd do it but meh - lol
[10:01] <Mez> no proper net access
[10:01] <Mez> cant wait till I can take over my packages again
[10:04] <Tonio_> Mez: hehe :) do you have access to upload to main too ?
[10:04] <Mez> nope :P
[10:05] <Mez> Tonio_, buit when i get back on track I plan to work towards it
[10:05] <Tonio_> yeah, that the issue... ;) well the package is done, I'll upload after beta is released
[10:06] <Tonio_> Mez: you should, that's earning a lot of time :)
[10:08] <Mez> Tonio_... ?
[10:09] <Mez> Tonio_, I dont get what you mean by "earning a lot of time"
[10:09] <Tonio_> Mez: no need to ping everyone and wait when you have a patch to upload to main
[10:09] <Tonio_> Mez: sorry for the bad english :)
[10:10] <Mez> Tonio_, ah yes - I know that feeling - but my GPG key is on my PC - I gotta wait till ovtober 23rd before I get net again
[10:11] <Tonio_> Mez: yeah it happened to me once... that so frustrating :)
[10:22] <jdong> Tonio_: did you ever make any more discoveries about our delightfully missing unmount progress dialog? :)
[10:25] <Tonio_> jdong nope....
[10:25] <Tonio_> jdong: I tried to build kdebase and kdelibs without _Sim's patches and I still get the error
[10:26] <Tonio_> jdong: probably 3.5.4 bug
[10:26] <Tonio_> jdong: is that reported on kde bts ?
[10:26] <jdong> Tonio_: I'm searching the kde bugzilla right now
[10:26] <Tonio_> ok
[10:26] <Tonio_> I don't search there anymore, so messy........
[10:29] <Riddell> Mez: we're in beta freeze today, I'll try and remember for tomorow
[10:29] <Mez> Riddell: I believe Tonio_'s doing it ;)
[10:31] <jdong> Tonio_: hmm, can't seem to find anything useful in kde bug tracker
[10:32] <Mez> Tonio_, you have access to KDE SVN ?
[10:33] <Tonio_> Mez: nope
[10:36] <GNUro> hi
[10:42] <Mez> wb jdong
[10:42] <jdong> :)