[12:04] <sfllaw> ph8: I think the web is the best.
[12:04] <sfllaw> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bugs/
[12:04] <sfllaw> I think.
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62519 in update-manager (main) "[Edgy]  Some translations are not applied" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62519
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62521 in bzr (main) "bzr should run without bzrlib.tests installed." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62521
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62522 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "Loss of ctrl-L file path dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62522
[12:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62524 in kdebase (main) "Can't install a new printer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62524
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62525 in nautilus (main) ""Documents" folder bookmark double entry" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62525
[12:28] <FireRabbit> uh yeah can someone mark that 62522 bug invalid? i guess i dont have access to do that
[12:30] <crimsun> meaning reject it?
[12:31] <Kamion> FireRabbit: err, it seems valid to me?
[12:31] <Kamion> ctrl-l in gedit's open dialog does nothing interesting
[12:36] <FireRabbit> eh? on a brand new edgy system, it pops up a path entry
[12:39] <FireRabbit> theres a little button next to the breadcrum bar that does the same thing, nautilus has it  too
[12:39] <Kamion> how brand new exactly, btw? knot-3 or a daily?
[12:40] <FireRabbit> i am fully updated
[12:40] <FireRabbit> since a few hours ago
[12:43] <geser> what are the differences between libnspr4 (source: firefox) and libnspr4-0d (source: xulrunner)?
[12:43] <geser> and which one to prefer?
[12:43] <geser> see bug 62415
[12:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62415 in gaim-encryption "can it be build against libnspr4 " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62415
[12:43] <crimsun> 0d is the xulrunner one
[12:44] <crimsun> err, duh, you said that
[12:44] <geser> besides the different source packages there is no difference?
[12:45] <crimsun> I don't know the differences off the top of my head
[12:45] <crimsun> since FF already has that lib, it makes sense to not drag in the xulrunner version
[12:47] <geser> should the package then be rebuild against libnspr4 from firefox?
[12:52] <crimsun> geser: yes, that would be best (changing debian/control)
[12:52] <geser> ok, will prepare a debdiff
[12:54] <crimsun> ok, thanks
[12:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62527 in Ubuntu "Please sync mpqc_2.3.1-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62527
[01:02] <FireRabbit> nevermind, i figured out how to close the bug.
[01:06] <secretlondon> hi
[01:06] <FireRabbit> hi
[01:12] <FireRabbit> excellent, excellent
[01:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62528 in soundconverter (universe) "Breaks with unicode characters" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62528
[01:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62529 in Ubuntu "Drag and drop of Bookmarks from Places menu copies entire directory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62529
[01:19] <secretlondon> i'm trying to replicate #62528
[01:20] <FireRabbit> i can confirm 62528, looking into which package to reassign it to..
[01:22] <secretlondon> ah - I can't confirm that error message, but I have breakage in Dapper with a file called  ).mp3
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62530 in courier-authlib (universe) "[Merge]  courier-authlib 0.58-4ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62530
[01:34] <secretlondon> I've reproduced 62525, is there anything else I should do to it?
[01:35] <FireRabbit> mark it confirmed and link it with an upstream bug
[01:35] <secretlondon> I've marked it confirmed
[01:35] <secretlondon> To link it - I look for a similar bug in Debian? Gnome?
[01:36] <FireRabbit> oh sorry i had the wrong bug open
[01:36] <FireRabbit> gnome bugzilla, yeah
[01:40] <FireRabbit> secretlondon: is there some way you removed that bug from ubuntu, or is that how it was reported? re: the red warning note at the top
[01:41] <secretlondon> FireRabbit:what red warning note? I've just set confirmed, not done anything else to it. I don't have a warning note here
[01:41] <FireRabbit> hm on 62525 i see "This bug is not recorded as needing to be fixed in the soundconverter (Ubuntu)  package."
[01:41] <secretlondon> ah - you've gone to the wrong link
[01:42] <secretlondon> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/62525
[01:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62525 in nautilus ""Documents" folder bookmark double entry" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:42] <clepto> hi i need some help... i installed ubuntu and everything now when i try to start it it goes to the login screen and i type in my username and password then the screen flashes a few times and then resets to the login screen. this happens 4 to 6 times then it brings me to the text login screen i log in then i can startx no problem... how do i fix this?
[01:42] <secretlondon> 62525 is nautilus
[01:42] <FireRabbit> ah, gotcha
[01:42] <secretlondon> clepto: try #Ubuntu which is the official support channel
[01:42] <clepto> i tried there and no one is talking
[01:43] <clepto> sorry i tried it in xubuntu
[01:43] <secretlondon> You can try submitting a support request: http://launchpad.net/support
[01:44] <secretlondon> Try #Ubuntu first
[01:44] <secretlondon> mention you are using Xubuntu
[01:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62531 in maildrop (universe) "[Sync Request]  maildrop 2.0.2-10 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62531
[01:58] <secretlondon> If a bug isn't in gnome bugzilla I presume I have to register and post it?
[01:59] <FireRabbit> yeah i guess so.. its a pain
[01:59] <secretlondon> Thing is, I don't know whether we've caused those changes or not
[02:00] <FireRabbit> right well, i suppose you could just request an upstream fix but not link it to any upstream bug... and hope the package maintainer comes along and goes through all his bugs, and figures that out.. i dont know if there is a policy for this.. *shrug*
[02:03] <secretlondon> FireRabbit: Did you confirm #62528 (the soundconverter one)
[02:03] <FireRabbit> i didnt touch that one..
[02:03] <FireRabbit> do you want me to test it on edgy?
[02:04] <secretlondon> ah ok - i thought you were looking at
[02:04] <secretlondon> FireRabbit - that would be cool, I've only got net on Dapper atm
[02:13] <FireRabbit> hm i was able to convert a file that has a  in it..
[02:15] <FireRabbit> what was the filename you had problems with?
[02:15] <secretlondon> hmm. I can't find any mention of soundconverter in gnome-bugzilla..
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62533 in partman (main) "ubiquity hangs waiting for partman" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62533
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62534 in module-init-tools (main) "nvidia module load should be conditional on nvidia driver being used" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62534
[02:16] <secretlondon>  ).mp3
[02:16] <secretlondon> I should try a more sensible name
[02:16] <FireRabbit> ah pretty
[02:16] <FireRabbit> that seems to work as well though
[02:17] <secretlondon> I'm going to try here again to make sure I'm not doing anything silly
[02:17] <secretlondon> dapper has sound converter 0.8.3
[02:17] <FireRabbit> unrelated, this program takes a LONG freakin time to convert songs!
[02:18] <FireRabbit> the 0.8.7-2 changelog says
[02:19] <FireRabbit> er
[02:20] <FireRabbit>   * soundconverter.py: Changed the charset declaration from "latin-1"
[02:20] <FireRabbit>     to "iso-8859-1". Thanks, Mario Iseli. Closes: #385181.
[02:20] <FireRabbit> i dont know if that's related, i cant find that bug
[02:20] <secretlondon> I can't find any mention of that program in gnome bugzilla - is that gnome's bug?
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62535 in network-manager (main) "[edgy]  network-manager sees usb wifi (rt73usb) as wired net" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62535
[02:20] <FireRabbit> i dont have any idea, haha
[02:21] <secretlondon> me neither!
[02:23] <FireRabbit> http://soundconverter.berlios.de/ thats the website, its not a GNOME project
[02:23] <FireRabbit> they have a bug tracker, b ut that bug# doesnt exist in it
[02:23] <secretlondon> where did you get that changelog from?
[02:23] <FireRabbit> /usr/share/doc/soundconverter/changelog.Debian.gz
[02:24] <secretlondon> k - i guess our bug or debians
[02:24] <secretlondon> i'll have a look
[02:24] <FireRabbit> ok
[02:26] <secretlondon> my file has mainly ubuntu bug fixes
[02:29] <secretlondon> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=385181
[02:29] <secretlondon> yay!
[02:29] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 385181 in soundconverter "soundconverter: FTBFS: xgettext: Non-ASCII string at soundconverter.py:72." [Serious,Closed] 
[02:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62536 in wide-dhcpv6 (universe) "Please sync wide-dhcpv6 (universe) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62536
[02:38] <bddebian> Boo
[02:38] <secretlondon> ello
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62537 in Baltix (main) "Font rendering glitches with radeon, known bug, patch exists" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62537
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62538 in xorg (main) "No direct rendering for ATI Radeon Xpress 200M" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62538
[02:42] <secretlondon> i've no idea what to do with the X bugs
[02:43] <bddebian> If you can't reproduce them, don't have the hardware, etc, just leave them
[02:44] <secretlondon> ok
[02:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62405 in Ubuntu "Please upgrade opera in dapper-commercial to 9.02" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62405
[02:47] <secretlondon> I presume we can't do anything with the sync requests either
[02:47] <secretlondon> (although i think that opera one is a duplicate)
[02:48] <bddebian> secretlondon: If they are still valid and ubuntu-archive is subscribed (if they were submitted by or acknowledged by an MOTU) then no, those have to be handled by the archive-admins
[02:48] <Hobbsee> secretlondon: yeah, other people do that
[02:49] <secretlondon> thanks
[03:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62540 in cyrus-sasl2 (main) "Please consider building cyrus-sasl2 with SRP support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62540
[03:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62541 in vlc (universe) "vlc install fails - depends on an old package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62541
[03:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62542 in apport (main) "Apport should not do its expensive bits without user confirmation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62542
[03:54] <secretlondon> the vlc looks like a support issue
[03:54] <secretlondon> it's in dapper repositories fine, could be edgy (I've asked)
[03:59] <secretlondon> i've sorted
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62543 in upstart (main) "reiserfs checks are slow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62543
[04:02] <secretlondon> hobbsee: the powerpc version (only) does depend on the old package according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/graphics/vlc
[04:02] <Hobbsee> secretlondon: ahhh....
[04:02] <secretlondon> Hobbsee: I presume that's what he's using
[04:04] <secretlondon> powerpc seems to have an earlier version
[04:04] <secretlondon> 0.8.5 rather than 0.8.6
[04:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62544 in kaffeine (main) "0.8.1 -> 0.8.2 UVF Exception Request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62544
[04:07] <Hobbsee> ohhh....
[04:07] <Hobbsee> i see, yes
[04:08] <Hobbsee> secretlondon: i'd hazard a guess that the uk. mirrors are broken.  weird that it's missed two versions though
[04:08] <secretlondon> Hobbsee: I'm getting my info from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[04:09] <Hobbsee> secretlondon: me too, and launchpad.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, yeah....
[04:11] <Hobbsee> what are you pondering?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> *looks in the changelog for why there's a different dep anyway*
[04:12] <secretlondon> that's what I'm pondering really.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> ahhh...p.u.c says there's only the eariler version as i386
[04:16] <secretlondon> what's p.u.c?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> packages.ubuntu.com
[04:16] <secretlondon> ty
[04:18] <Hobbsee> i dont get it.....
[04:19] <secretlondon> I don't know how packaging is done to know whether the powerpc version gets built separately - and whether it's been forgotten or something..
[04:19] <Hobbsee> i'm guessing that something's failed, so powerpc has kept the old version
[04:19] <Hobbsee> i just cant seem to see what, or why
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62546 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Edgy  - Hot keys for suspend/hibernate don't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62546
[04:22] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you around?
[04:23] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, wasup ?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: got a ppc chroot anywhere, or know why bug 62541 occurs?  it's only on ppc, and i cant tell why it's failing
[04:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62541 in vlc "vlc install fails - depends on an old package" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62541
[04:24] <imbrandon> hrm lemme reboot my laptop ( ppc ) into edgy
[04:24] <imbrandon> one sec
[04:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: more of the concern is that ppc seems to have the older version anyway
[04:25] <Hobbsee> and i'm lost as to why
[04:25] <imbrandon> well 2 things could have happened, without looking, 1) it failed to build on ppc and the vlc is old its self with old deps
[04:25] <imbrandon> or more likely 2)
[04:26] <imbrandon> that they dont have -updates or -security enabled
[04:26] <imbrandon> i have run accross that alot lately
[04:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: p.u.c disagrees with that
[04:26] <secretlondon> p.u.c has a diff version for ppc
[04:26] <imbrandon> that means it was 1) but looking
[04:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: LP disagrees with 1
[04:27] <Hobbsee> even the resulting binaries are there
[04:27] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vlc/0.8.6-svn20060918.debian-1ubuntu2
[04:28] <imbrandon> yea 8.5 is on ppc and i386 and amd64 have 8.6 , lemme look into what it ftb
[04:28] <imbrandon> Versions: 0.8.5.debian-2ubuntu1 [powerpc] , 0.8.6-svn20060823.debian-3ubuntu1 [amd64,i386] 
[04:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: perhaps grab https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/248726 <-- binaires from there, and check if they install?
[04:29] <Hobbsee> that's the latest vlc, for ppc - apparently it's built fine
[04:29] <Hobbsee> latest version and all
[04:29] <imbrandon> thats not the right binarys
[04:29] <imbrandon> that old also, just not AS old
[04:29] <Hobbsee> no?
[04:29] <imbrandon> look at the svn date
[04:29] <imbrandon> 20060918
[04:30] <Hobbsee> http://librarian.launchpad.net/4422697/vlc_0.8.6-svn20060918.debian-1ubuntu2_powerpc.changes?  true
[04:30] <Hobbsee> er, which is newer than the 0.8.6-svn20060823.debian-3ubuntu1?
[04:30] <imbrandon> is vlc in main ?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> no
[04:30] <secretlondon> universe
[04:31] <Hobbsee> oh....
[04:31] <Hobbsee> i see.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> got it
[04:31] <zul> hell yes..
[04:31] <Hobbsee> zul: hmmm?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> gosh, that took a while
[04:32] <zul> 2.6.17 xen is working
[04:32] <imbrandon> zul, you rock
[04:32] <secretlondon> Hobbsee: what is the problem?
[04:32] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, whats up ?
[04:32] <secretlondon> err cause
[04:32] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: give me a sec
[04:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's lost in the black hole of mirrors syncing.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> its' been 2 days though.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> Build finished:  	 2006-09-25 11:12:07 EST (28 minutes)
[04:33] <Hobbsee> well, 38 hours
[04:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: old version ftbfs, new version is there, it just hasnt synced to mirrors yet, for some reason
[04:34] <imbrandon> what does the actual archive say ? e.g. launchpad ( as p.u.c is never correct )
[04:34] <Hobbsee> says the latest is published on all arches
[04:34] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vlc/0.8.6-svn20060918.debian-1ubuntu2
[04:34] <imbrandon> ok let me reboot my lappy and verify that
[04:34] <Hobbsee> ^ is the latest, the version before failed
[04:35] <Hobbsee> so either soyuz broke, soyuz temporarily broke, or the mirrors are lagging.
[04:35] <imbrandon> what mirrors? have you checked the supermirror? i'm not understanding where your seeing the mirrors lag
[04:35] <Hobbsee> us.
[04:36] <secretlondon> the bug reporter is getting old version, using us mirror
[04:36] <imbrandon> yea thats why i said check the actual archive ;)
[04:36] <imbrandon> us. ( or any cc. ) can be days behind
[04:36] <imbrandon> at times
[04:37] <Hobbsee> ah yeah, it's not in the archive yet
[04:37] <imbrandon> its not good to use a devlopment version with a cc mirror
[04:37] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, wait
[04:37] <Hobbsee> it's not in a.u.c either
[04:37] <Hobbsee> where a == archiv
[04:37] <Hobbsee> e
[04:37] <imbrandon> there could be other problems, and soyuz has sero control over us.
[04:37] <Hobbsee> *grin*
[04:37] <Hobbsee> cant i blame it anyway?
[04:37] <secretlondon> would the old library be deleted separately?
[04:38] <imbrandon> it would be better to find the real problem
[04:38] <Hobbsee> it's thru edgy-changes, it's built, but it's not in the archives
[04:38] <imbrandon> secretlondon, yes
[04:38] <secretlondon> as that is the issue reported - the the old one has unmet dependencies
[04:38] <Hobbsee> yeah, once the new version is added, the old version automatically gets deleted
[04:38] <secretlondon> k
[04:39] <Hobbsee> ie, problem already has been fixed -just the fix for ppc didnt actually build, so they didnt get it
[04:39] <imbrandon> it got built and publish
[04:39] <imbrandon> slow down tonto
[04:39] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Binary packages
[04:41] <Hobbsee> No binaries have been generated for this release.
[04:41] <imbrandon> here is your REAL problem, its stuck in binary NEW and hasent been processed https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=vlc
[04:41] <Hobbsee> LP confuses me sometimes...it really does
[04:41] <Hobbsee> we can view binary NEW?  i was about to ask about that
[04:41] <Hobbsee> i didnt notice any binaries, i thought i'd checked that :P
[04:42] <imbrandon> e.g. its a developemt release, reject the bug and tell them once the u-a gets arround to it it will be processed
[04:42] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, always good to check the queue ;)
[04:43] <imbrandon> hehe anyhow yea thats the issue
[04:43] <imbrandon> just reject the bug and tell them once the u-a gets arround to it it will be processed
[04:43] <Hobbsee> yeah, duh.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> done
[04:44] <Hobbsee> secretlondon: problem solved :P
[04:44] <imbrandon> there are littlery about 114 other packages to do too
[04:44] <Hobbsee> yeah, urgh
[04:44] <imbrandon> 2200 here ;)
[04:45] <secretlondon> and not even bug day for you, so I'm not sure you get a hug for fixing it ;)
[04:45] <imbrandon> hahaha
[04:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:00] <secretlondon> what on earth are we supposed to do with #62543?
[05:00] <secretlondon> It's more of a wishlist, it admits it's a question not a bug report
[05:01] <Hobbsee> bug 62543
[05:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62543 in upstart "reiserfs checks are slow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62543
[05:01] <Hobbsee> secretlondon: probably leave that one for keybuk, along with any other upstart stuff, unless its' obviously a dupe
[05:01] <Hobbsee> secretlondon: same with ubiquity stuff - dont touch it at all
[05:01] <secretlondon> ok
[05:04] <imbrandon> and fwiw reiserfs checks are always slow no matter the init system ( and yes i use reiserfs ) but they are aonly done once or twice a year ( unless you fsk something up , then you can expect fs checks to be slow and thoughrough )
[05:05] <secretlondon> well the reporter is saying they are done on boot
[05:06] <imbrandon> yea when something go's wrong
[05:06] <secretlondon> ah - he is saying it does it every time
[05:07] <imbrandon> ugh i just read that, thats needs to be rejected too, man where do people come up with this stuff
[05:08] <imbrandon> if he is having a 10 second resiser fs check each boot he has hardware issues for one, two bugs are places for requests
[05:08] <imbrandon> -users or -devel ML
[05:08] <imbrandon> arent*
[05:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62547 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "no dri cannot init AGP  in 2.6.17-10 AMD64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62547
[05:13] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:13] <imbrandon> thanks secretlondon
[05:14] <imbrandon> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Hobbsee
[05:14] <imbrandon> you broke my keyboard keymap
[05:14] <imbrandon> on my ppc
[05:14] <Hobbsee> no i didnt :P
[05:14] <imbrandon> i know but i have to blame someone
[05:14] <imbrandon> wtf
[05:14] <Hobbsee> noooo...not on -devel
[05:15] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, would be the best place as it IS a development proposal
[05:15] <imbrandon> that and they can shoot him down better than me becouse fschecks cant be run on mounted filesdystems
[05:15] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:15] <Hobbsee> true
[05:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62549 in Ubuntu "make-kpkg Cannot Compile 2.6.18" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62549
[05:16] <secretlondon> 62549 - that's not the current kernel
[05:16] <imbrandon> ugh we dont use the 2.6.18 kernel, i dont even have to read that one to reject it
[05:17] <imbrandon> haha
[05:18] <imbrandon> secretlondon, you can point them to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[05:19] <imbrandon> if you wish
[05:19] <secretlondon> imbrandon: thanks
[05:19] <imbrandon> ( and politely tell them we dont support custom kernels especial ones we're not running )
[05:19] <zul> imbrandon: ummm...that wont work because they are still using kernel-package if they use the wiki instructions
[05:20] <secretlondon> "will be rejected without explanation"
[05:21] <imbrandon> zul, hopefully they are keen enough to swap the build instructions for their version, if not they really dont need to compile a kernel
[05:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62550 in kdebase (main) "Konqueror crashes when dealing with *.html files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62550
[05:22] <zul> imbrandon: actually the fix is pretty easy there is a patch already but we need to test it first
[05:22] <imbrandon> ahh
[05:29] <secretlondon> #62550 - Konqueror crashes randomly when I do different things
[05:29] <FireRabbit> haha
[05:29] <secretlondon> How am I supposed to replicate that!
[05:29] <FireRabbit> have him figure out which specific html file it is that causes the crash, and attach it to the bug
[05:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62551 in pygopherd (universe) "Please sync pygopherd (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62551
[05:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62552 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Support for maxSize to usb-serial to support EVDO" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62552
[05:36] <FireRabbit> now that is something the kernel team should implement
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62553 in Ubuntu "Suspend doesn't resume on Toshiba A105-S4004 Notebook" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62553
[05:40] <secretlondon> #62528 - what to do?
[05:40] <FireRabbit> Someone, what should be done about bugs filed against a kernel that's not the latest?
[05:42] <crimsun> depends which kernel
[05:42] <secretlondon> I don't know, I imagine we have loads of open bugs like that, in the same way that we have loads of bugs with dapper betas etc
[05:42] <Hobbsee> bug 62528
[05:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62528 in soundconverter "Breaks with unicode characters" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62528
[05:42] <FireRabbit> crimsun: can you be more specific?
[05:42] <crimsun> we no longer support Warty's kernel; as of November we will no longer support Hoary's kernel. At this precise moment, we're concentrating on Dapper's and Edgy's kernels.
[05:43] <secretlondon> I think I was wrong to link to the debian bug re: unicode
[05:43] <FireRabbit> crimsun: so.. what are the version #s for all those?
[05:43] <secretlondon> but he's now saying it's generally broke
[05:43] <crimsun> 2.6.8.1, 2.6.10, 2.6.12, 2.6.15, 2.6.17
[05:43] <FireRabbit> so 2.6.15 and 2.6.17 are supported, the rest are not?
[05:43] <crimsun> (warty, hoary, breezy, dapper, and edgy, respectively)
[05:43] <crimsun> Hoary through Dapper are supported
[05:43] <FireRabbit> oh, ok
[05:44] <FireRabbit> so nothing before 2.6.10
[05:44] <crimsun> Correct. if the person can reproduce on the supported ones (preferably Dapper or Edgy), then it's best.
[05:44] <secretlondon> but old versions of 2.6.15 we don't support either presumably, we say update to current one
[05:44] <crimsun> (and then Edgy only because it's easier to fix)
[05:44] <FireRabbit> right
[05:45] <crimsun> secretlondon: we only have one 2.6.15 per se :)
[05:45] <crimsun> (but yes, not -2[3-6] )
[05:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62554 in kmplayer (main) "0.9.2a -> 0.9.3 UVF Exception Request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62554
[05:56] <secretlondon> that was fun - something crashed x
[06:02] <secretlondon> hmm - I click on the same log file in LP and I crash again
[06:03] <crimsun> URL?
[06:03] <secretlondon> just getting
[06:04] <secretlondon> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/62515
[06:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62515 in update-manager "didnt install kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[06:04] <secretlondon> second file
[06:05] <crimsun> both open fine here (current edgy's FF)
[06:05] <secretlondon> everytime I've clicked on it I've had a restart of X, gconf:Received signal 15:shutting down cleanly
[06:05] <crimsun> I'm using an i915GM (i810 driver) w/ AIGLX and composite enabled
[06:06] <crimsun> which driver?
[06:06] <secretlondon> dapper, current nvidia
[06:06] <crimsun> reproducible with the 'nv' driver?
[06:07] <secretlondon> not tried, and I can't see why that text file in particular would cause breakage
[06:08] <crimsun> it's not immediately obvious to me, either, but I'm not using your precise configuration
[06:09] <secretlondon> In Xorg.0.log I'm getting 7268 X: client 2 rejected from local host (other numbers up to 6)
[06:10] <secretlondon> How would I swap to the nv driver (apologies for the newbie question)
[06:10] <crimsun> I don't receive anything of that sort
[06:10] <crimsun> did you use the instructions from wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ? If so, reverse them (but no need to remove any packages)
[06:11] <secretlondon> They are preceded by AUDIT
[06:11] <secretlondon> I'll look
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62555 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62555
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62556 in epiphany-browser (main) "Tab Toolbar Suggestion" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62556
[06:36] <secretlondon> well the file loaded this time using the nv driver
[06:37] <secretlondon> but I suspect it would have loaded this time using the nvidia driver too..
[06:42] <secretlondon> bah - bugs that are support requests
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62557 in Ubuntu "when partitioning disks manually, installer insists on reformatting to ext3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62557
[06:51] <secretlondon> ryanoc :has he just fixed a bug?
[06:51] <ryanoc> Don't know, but he probably has today :p
[06:51] <secretlondon> ha ha
[06:51] <ryanoc> i mean when you close a bug you don't usually say "I closed xxxx"
[06:52] <secretlondon> true
[06:53] <secretlondon> we have to either catch them to hug them, or they have to come here to be hugged ;)
[06:53] <ryanoc> i think it's important to acknowledge the canonicals :)
[06:54] <ryanoc> :p yeah ;(
[06:59] <Hobbsee> :)  another she
[07:00] <ryanoc> yeah, it's definitely good to know there's dedicated female ubuntu'ers out there
[07:00] <ryanoc> especially on hug day ;)
[07:00] <secretlondon> :P
[07:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62558 in deskbar-applet (main) "Deskbar error parsing Firefox's live bookmarks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62558
[07:01] <ryanoc> oh man 15.5k bugs now... where to start!?!?!?!!!!??????????????!?!?!
[07:01] <Hobbsee> ryanoc: wherever you like.  start with a package, and go thru the bugs
[07:02] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:02] <Hobbsee> if people are looking to kill some of the numbers, go thru hoary and warty bugs and see if they still occur
[07:03] <ryanoc> secretlondon: most should be closed as they were fixed for final releases, so if they are still open, they are possibly still legit
[07:03] <Hobbsee> anything that's warty only, and not reproducable later, can just be closed due to EOL
[07:03] <Hobbsee> true that
[07:04] <ryanoc> what's EOL stand for?
[07:04] <ryanoc> end of life??
[07:04] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:05] <ryanoc> does anyone have the url of bugs that would be "nice" to send upstream
[07:06] <Hobbsee> um....
[07:06] <Hobbsee> http://tinyurl.com/nm4n3
[07:06] <Hobbsee>       * http://tinyurl.com/nm4n3 - is a list of bugs that can be checked
[07:06] <Hobbsee>         for duplicates upstream and probably forwarded. This is an easy
[07:06] <Hobbsee>         task, because bugs marked on this list are likely to contain
[07:06] <Hobbsee>         needed information already.
[07:06] <Hobbsee>       * http://tinyurl.com/rp3xk - is a list of bugs tagged as
[07:06] <Hobbsee>         'ubuntulove' - these are mostly hacking or packaging tasks that
[07:06] <Hobbsee>         are isolated and where help would be appreciated.
[07:06] <ryanoc> yay, thx
[07:07] <ryanoc> wow they hadn't made that last time :p
[07:10] <secretlondon> Ooh - from a link in a new bug - Moz won't accept bugs in our firefox..
[07:11] <secretlondon> or whatever we may end up calling it ;)
[07:12] <Hobbsee> heh.  right
[07:12] <Hobbsee> actually, that doestn really surprise me
[07:12] <Hobbsee> *ignores firefox*
[07:13] <Hobbsee> *just uses it - the mozilla binaries*
[07:15] <ryanoc> i don't understand what you're saying, but ok :p
[07:16] <Hobbsee> ryanoc: iirc, our maintainers change a lot of firefox to work well here - there are mozilla binaries, which i tend to use of firefox, which doesnt require me having all of gnome installed, etc
[07:16] <Hobbsee> and seems faster
[07:17] <secretlondon> but Mozilla are unhappy - and very unhappy with Debian who are using the Firefox name but not the logo (as the logo breaches thier free software guidelines)
[07:17] <ryanoc> hmm
[07:17] <Hobbsee> yeah well
[07:17] <ryanoc> well, Ubuntu doesn't use the logo either on the launcher
[07:18] <Hobbsee> i leave that discussion to the devs that are speakign with mozilla about it :)
[07:18] <secretlondon> yes - and apparently we are negotating with mozilla on it
[07:18] <ryanoc> sweet
[07:19] <ryanoc> agch, bugzilla required at least 4 chars to search for terms
[07:19] <ryanoc> can't search for "WEP"
[07:22] <ryanoc> i had to do "search for any words" + keywords = "WEP security"
[07:23] <ryanoc> so it would search for everything with WEP
[07:23] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:24] <ryanoc> "wep jsdlfkjlsdf" was better
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62559 in Ubuntu ""root" accounts made on installation cant login" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62559
[07:25] <Hobbsee> oh for goodness sake...
[07:25] <ryanoc> root accounts arent supposed to be logged in to :/
[07:25] <secretlondon> thats a silly bug
[07:25] <Hobbsee> !root
[07:25] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:26] <ryanoc> if u really want to tho, u can tick the box
[07:26] <secretlondon> "if i call my user "root" it breaks" - yeah? you don't say!
[07:26] <ryanoc> anyone want to tell them that + mark as dup, and close?
[07:27] <ryanoc> nvm they know that
[07:27] <ryanoc> i didnt read it :p
[07:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:28] <Hobbsee> that's even more of a headdesk bug that i originally thought
[07:28] <ryanoc> it still makes sense to reject "root" accounts in the account setup
[07:28] <ryanoc> like he says
[07:28] <secretlondon> true - as an idiot filter
[07:28] <ryanoc> yea lol
[07:29] <ryanoc> as in he's the only person whos ever tried that
[07:29] <ryanoc> !idiot filter
[07:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about idiot filter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:29] <ryanoc> haha, we need to add it
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62560 in cohoba (universe) "No icons created in gnome-panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62560
[07:35] <ryanoc> !idiot filter is a bug that needs fixing just because one person was dumb enough to reproduce it, and there may be more like them in the future!
[07:35] <ryanoc> ;)
[07:37] <ryanoc> !info firefox
[07:37] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.7-ubuntu0.6.06 (dapper), package size 7739 kB, installed size 22928 kB
[07:38] <secretlondon> firefox isn't that lightweight
[07:38] <ryanoc> isn't firebird or something supposed to be the lightweight one
[07:39] <secretlondon> I'm told that it won't run on my new xubuntu machine as it wants about 256M of RAM
[07:39] <ryanoc> you have a new machine with 256mb?
[07:39] <secretlondon> it's lighter than the full mozilla suite certainly
[07:40] <secretlondon> less than - it's an old laptop
[07:40] <crimsun> you can try dillo or links -g
[07:40] <ryanoc> there will be options to let it run... i mean if you can run it on PPCs etc..
[07:40] <secretlondon> it's got 64mb of ram - it's getting xubuntu and whatever very lightweight stuff I can find
[07:40] <secretlondon> Firefox will NOT be one of them
[07:41] <ryanoc> cool
[07:41] <ryanoc> but unfortunate.. I'm a big firefox fan
[07:42] <ryanoc> what browser will you use?
[07:42] <secretlondon> it was cheap on ebay and I needed a very cheap laptop - it's going to be fun to play with
[07:42] <secretlondon> not sure yet - someone suggested old versions of opera, I'm going to experiment
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62561 in unifont (main) "missing predepend?  unifont fails to install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62561
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62562 in gabber2 (universe) "Crash when setting up gabber2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62562
[07:59] <secretlondon> think the gabber one is edgy
[08:08] <ryanoc> ok im off
[08:08] <ryanoc> have a good day everyone
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62563 in coreutils (main) "dd --- Segmentation fault" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62563
[08:22] <secretlondon> I don't really understand #62561
[08:23] <secretlondon> there don't seem to be any missing dependencies that I can see
[08:31] <Hobbsee> secretlondon: could be an upstream bug or something.  *shrug*  if fabbion*e's dealing wiht it, ignore it?
[08:31] <robitaille> secretlondon,  I don't think that's a missing dependency.  It seems there is a bug (or missing logic) in the script the installer of that package is trying to run during the installation
[08:32] <secretlondon> ok - thanks
[08:33] <robitaille> nothing in the debian BTS that I can see about that problem.
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62564 in xmms (main) "Always On Top messes with plugins config" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62564
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62565 in ktorrent (main) "svn patches for improved download speed." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62565
[08:58] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62566 in totem (main) "totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin is not installable on Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62566
[08:58] <dholbach> good morning - HAPPY HUG DAY!
[09:06] <secretlondon> #62566 seems very close to a bug we had earlier involving libdbus and ppc dependencies..
[09:09] <dholbach> bug 62566
[09:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62566 in totem "totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin is not installable on Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62566
[09:10] <dholbach> no that package is obsolete and doesn't exist in edgy anymore
[09:10] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$ apt-cache showsrc totem | grep Binary
[09:10] <dholbach> Binary: libtotem-plparser1-dbg, totem-mozilla, libtotem-plparser-dev, totem-xine, totem-gstreamer, libtotem-plparser1, totem
[09:10] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$
[09:10] <dholbach> it's totem-mozilla nowadays
[09:10] <dholbach> and it gets pulled in by ubuntu-desktop
[09:11] <dholbach> so you can reject the bug with a notice
[09:11] <dholbach> ROCK ON
[09:12] <robitaille> if all the bug reports we get were so easy to solve .. :)
[09:14] <dholbach> a lot of them are :)
[09:14] <secretlondon> or are support requests, or random
[09:21] <secretlondon> #62565 - that's not a bug as much as some svn patches
[09:22] <dholbach> bug 62565
[09:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62565 in ktorrent "svn patches for improved download speed." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62565
[09:23] <dholbach> somebody of the kubuntu folks should have a look at the patch
[09:23] <dholbach> subscribe the 'kubuntu-team' to it
[09:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62567 in mythtv (multiverse) "Unmet dependencies in mythbrowser and mythdvd and undefined symbols in mythtv libs (Edgy Eft)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62567
[09:26] <robitaille> dholbach,  done (for 62565)
[09:27] <dholbach> super
[09:27] <dholbach> I'll have a look at the lists from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bugs today
[09:27] <dholbach> how's the HUG DAY going for all of you?
[09:29] <robitaille> bug 62567 feels like a possible dupe of bug 62385 but with more details
[09:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62567 in mythtv "Unmet dependencies in mythbrowser and mythdvd and undefined symbols in mythtv libs (Edgy Eft)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62567
[09:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62385 in mythtv "myth tv plugins are out of sync" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62385
[09:31] <robitaille> is myth even usable nowadays?  bug 58155
[09:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58155 in mythtv "errors loading packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58155
[09:31] <dholbach> when I'm unsure I always ask the reporters to check bug <n>, if it's a dup
[09:32] <dholbach> yes, but looks like
[09:32] <dholbach> i suppose you can just close them
[09:33] <robitaille> why close them?
[09:33] <robitaille> they seem valid
[09:34] <dholbach> no, the dups
[09:35] <seb128> dholbach: today is upstream forwarding day?
[09:35] <dholbach> I'm not sure if that was in sfllaw's announce
[09:35] <dholbach> but yeah, it makes sense
[09:36] <dholbach> 32 bugs
[09:36] <dholbach> 9 ubuntulove tasks
[09:37] <seb128> link?
[09:37] <dholbach> seb128: we should shamlessly plug http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bugs every now and then
[09:39] <towsonu2003> http://tinyurl.com/s4pvh -> Launchpad doesn't understand the form data submitted in this request.
[09:39] <towsonu2003> and hi :)
[09:40] <dholbach> hi towsonu2003 - happy hug day
[09:40] <towsonu2003> thanks, to you too
[09:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62568 in evince-gtk (main) "sync with evince 0.6.0 codebase" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62568
[09:41] <dholbach> towsonu2003: where did you get that tinyurl link from?
[09:41] <towsonu2003> from the topic of this chatroom
[09:41] <dholbach> lalalalala
[09:42] <towsonu2003> hehehe
[09:42] <towsonu2003> lol
[09:42] <dholbach> if somebody has a better link to plug in there: let me know ;)
[09:43] <towsonu2003> dholbach: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream=&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.tag=&field.has_no_package.used=
[09:43] <towsonu2003> it lists all packages that are marked "needs info" from oldest to newest.
[09:44] <towsonu2003> it's not fun, but it's easier to do (closing those where no reply was given and so on)
[09:44] <dholbach> I think it'd make sense to ask to shrink the list of unconfirmed bugs
[09:44] <dholbach> I know that the other task is easier
[09:44] <dholbach> and we put some of those tasks on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bugs already
[09:45] <towsonu2003> sure
[09:46] <towsonu2003> it's not a nice feeling to close bugs anyway...
[09:48] <secretlondon> cool
[09:48] <dholbach> towsonu2003: it's a good feeling to be closing bugs, no? :)
[09:54] <towsonu2003> dholbach: not really... I'd prefer to confirm them. with the link I provided, what you do is basically to close bugs where the user didn't show interest. but you know s/he had problems so much that s/he bothered to report them...
[09:54] <towsonu2003> :)
[09:55] <dholbach> ok, there are always different reasons to close a bug :-)
[09:56] <towsonu2003> I wish I knew how to write patches -> then I would be closing the bugs for real I guess :) but, this will do for now ;)
[09:58] <towsonu2003> dholbach: how'r things going for you?
[09:59] <dholbach> towsonu2003: fine, I'm just going through loads and loads of mails since yesterday
[09:59] <dholbach> and after that join the HUGging
[10:00] <pepsiman> secretlondon: get my pm?
[10:01] <secretlondon> pepsiman: yes
[10:02] <secretlondon> pepsiman: I'm not sure I have the technical skills to do that - it would involving learning packaging - which I should do at some point I know
[10:02] <crimsun> (there's a nice Packaging Guide in System> Help> System Documentation)
[10:05] <Trewas> Could I interest someone in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/58927 ? It should be at least marked as dhcp3-client bug, so whoever is responsible for that package notices. A short background: a config change in dhcp3-client causes it to ask for interface-mtu, and some routers (for example mine) report way too low values -> Network won't work. It's quite nasty to debug when that happens, and it is a regression from dapper (dhcp3-client did not ask
[10:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58927 in Ubuntu "Network unreachable with Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[10:07] <towsonu2003> ubugtu is machine?
[10:07] <secretlondon> a bot
[10:08] <secretlondon> !Ubugtu
[10:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Ubugtu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:08] <towsonu2003> just reporting newest bugs, or does it have other niceties
[10:08] <secretlondon> !ubotu
[10:08] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[10:08] <secretlondon> It can tell you about other bugs
[10:09] <towsonu2003> oh how nice :)
[10:10] <towsonu2003> even has a wiki page: my bad - sorry
[10:11] <towsonu2003> have to leave, see you tomorrow (4am here)
[10:25] <dholbach> whooo, I got aorund 2469742697429679426 debian bug watch update mails
[10:25] <tarheelcoxn> around?
[10:25] <tarheelcoxn> that's an awfully precise number for an estimate :)
[10:25] <dholbach> who?
[10:25] <dholbach> ah ok :)
[10:26] <tarheelcoxn> that's more than a little mail
[10:26] <tarheelcoxn> in what timespan?
[10:26] <dholbach> no, maybe it was just 120 or something :)
[10:26] <dholbach> in some minutes
[10:26] <dholbach> it's a script that runs on launchpad and checks the upstream status of bugs
[10:26] <dholbach> today it queried the debian bts it seems ;)
[10:27] <dholbach> i'm going to check them to see if we can grab an easy fix
[10:37] <dholbach> seb128: I added "bugs with patches attached" to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bugs - as a task
[10:39] <dholbach> so we have 68 people in here... that's pretty cool
[10:39] <dholbach> :-D
[10:39] <dholbach> everybody should shout in the bugs that were successfully closed :-)
[10:43] <seb128> grumpf
[10:43] <seb128> bug #61853
[10:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61853 in gtk+2.0 "libgtk2.0-0-dev needs libtiff4-dev" [Low,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61853
[10:43] <seb128> that's NOTABUG for sure
[10:43] <seb128> the guy seems to be pretty confused though
[10:43] <seb128> it does depends on it
[10:45] <dholbach> close it
[10:45] <dholbach> "gtk depends on tiff - that's a good thing" :)
[10:45] <dholbach> Hobbsee: there is nothing to fix in that case
[10:46] <crimsun> woo!
[10:46] <Hobbsee> dholbach: yeah, i was meaning in general
[10:46] <crimsun> bug 44814
[10:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44814 in linux-source-2.6.15 "No sound with Intel HDA/Realtek ALC861" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44814
[10:46] <Hobbsee> like the root password bug i rejected earlier
[10:46] <dholbach> Hobbsee: not sure if that conforms with the CoC
[10:46] <Hobbsee> dholbach: bah.  pity
[10:46] <crimsun> dholbach: there, a closed one :D
[10:46] <dholbach> crimsun: YOU ROCK!
[10:46] <Hobbsee> dholbach: who conforms to that anyway?  *g*
[10:47] <dholbach> yoohoo :)
[10:47] <dholbach> NO! :-)
[10:47] <Hobbsee> awwww....
[10:48] <Hobbsee> it was a sync request...
[10:48] <Hobbsee> surely that gets double points...
[10:50] <dholbach> hey Bazzi - happy HUG DAY
[10:51] <seb128> I've forwarded bug #62529 upstream
[10:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62529 in gnome-panel "Drag and drop of Bookmarks from Places menu copies entire directory" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62529
[10:52] <dholbach> seb128: rock on!
[10:53] <Bazzi> I'd just need one bugfix to close 27 open bugs at once ;-)
[10:54] <dholbach> Bazzi: oh wow
[10:54] <dholbach> Bazzi: which bug are you working on?
[10:54] <Bazzi> dholbach: eclipse, but I got stuck with unsatisfied build-deps, Hobbsee tried to do something but was caught in having too much other work
[10:55] <dholbach> that'd make a lot of people happy, I guess
[10:55] <Bazzi> my experience is just too little in order to fix it :(
[10:55] <Hobbsee> Bazzi: and a merge.
[10:56] <Bazzi> dholbach: yeah it's horribly broken atm :(
[10:56] <dholbach> maybe it'd help to start a java team
[10:56] <dholbach> with a bzr repository where you can work on Java packages together?
[10:57] <dholbach> so if you fix a tiny bit, somebody else can chip in their fixes
[10:57] <dholbach> we did that for telepathy and are doing it for galago atm
[10:57] <dholbach> and it works super
[10:57] <dholbach> i think there's already a java team
[10:57] <dholbach> it'd just need a bit organisation
[10:57] <dholbach> ... I guess
[10:57] <Bazzi> :)
[10:58] <dholbach> Bazzi: are you interested in other java things as well?
[10:58] <Bazzi> I'm interested in working java software in ubuntu in general, yes
[10:58] <dholbach> i think there are some key apps that were nice to have
[10:58] <dholbach> (apart from eclipse)
[10:58] <Bazzi> but mainly eclipse-related
[10:58] <dholbach> like azureus
[10:58] <dholbach> many people would love to have it
[10:58] <Bazzi> azureus is in the repos
[10:59] <dholbach> does it work ok?
[10:59] <seb128> I've fixed libgtk-java to be installable again some days ago
[10:59] <Bazzi> no
[10:59] <dholbach> I know of: https://launchpad.net/people/motujava
[10:59] <Bazzi> it fails without sun-java
[10:59] <dholbach> and https://launchpad.net/people/java-gnome-hackers
[11:00] <Bazzi> since eclipse and azureus both base on swt there's some common ground for fixes
[11:00] <dholbach> that sounds good
[11:00] <Bazzi> we need upstream to (a) merge some fixes allowing swt to build against xulrunner
[11:00] <dholbach> and doko would be happy to have help with java bugs
[11:01] <Bazzi> and (b) some better gcj love to help running it OK without sun java
[11:01] <dholbach> doko maintains gcj
[11:01] <dholbach> and would be interested to have more free java love in ubuntu
[11:01] <dholbach> maybe we should sit down and try to think of ways to improve a team structure around java
[11:02] <Bazzi> true
[11:02] <Bazzi> maybe some long term goals would be fine
[11:03] <dholbach> yeah and work together on fixes
[11:03] <dholbach> maintain an overview over bugs, etc
[11:04] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Telepathy/Modules and http://launchpad.net/people/telepathy/+packagebugs is things that work out well for that team
[11:04] <dholbach> so if the team could adopt packages and try to establish good communication with upstream: SCORE :-)
[11:04] <dholbach> usually it's just too much for one person to achieve
[11:05] <Bazzi> at least eclipse/swt upstream are reasonable people, so there shouldn't be a problem
[11:05] <dholbach> even better
[11:05] <Bazzi> even though they have made bad experiences with debian already
[11:06] <dholbach> it's make sense to try it ;-)
[11:07] <Bazzi> my suggestion would be to start eclipse packaging from scratch, using as few dependencies as possible, and as much as needed to make it 100% work OK (might mean to drop gcj support for the moment). what do you think?
[11:08] <dholbach> I can't tell hwo much of a good idea that is
[11:08] <dholbach> I'd suggest to talk to doko
[11:08] <Bazzi> hm, might ne too much for edgy timeframe anyway
[11:08] <dholbach> he's the java king - I'm just interested in having cool teams doing awesome stuff together
[11:08] <Bazzi> be*
[11:08] <Bazzi> is he on irc regularly?
[11:08] <dholbach> yeah
[11:08] <dholbach> doko_ on #ubuntu-devel
[11:17] <dholbach> seb128: how is bug 37176 a control-center bug?
[11:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37176 in control-center "Beagle integration not complete" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37176
[11:17] <dholbach> hey Lure
[11:17] <seb128> dholbach: the "preferred app" capplet could allow to pick a search command
[11:18] <dholbach> ah ok
[11:18] <dholbach> I'll mark it as 'to-forward'
[11:18] <seb128> dholbach: or a gconf key for it
[11:18] <dholbach> right
[11:19] <seb128> dholbach: that's sort of gnome bug #300514
[11:19] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 300514 in Keybinding "Player shortkeys and preferred applications" [Enhancement,New]  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300514
[11:19] <dholbach> sort of
[11:20] <seb128> dholbach: gnome bug #171871 too
[11:20] <dholbach> hello ubugtu
[11:20] <dholbach> lalala
[11:20] <seb128> dholbach: gnome bug #171871 too
[11:20] <seb128> bah, stupid bot :p
[11:21] <dholbach> ok got it, stupid bot
[11:21] <dholbach> right
[11:23] <seb128> mark is as forwarded on that one
[11:23] <seb128> I don't think we need zillion of bugs upstream for every command
[11:23] <seb128> just a "need a way to change apps started by multimedia keys"
[11:32] <Bazzi> yay for firefox rc
[11:32] <Bazzi> w/ less ugly theme
[11:53] <Kamion> Hobbsee: that root account bug was a real installer bug - reopened and marked as duplicate
[11:54] <Kamion> and it's not as stupid a bug as you all thought, because there are a number of other reserved usernames that trigger the same bug
[11:54] <Kamion> "shadow" is a relatively common one people try that isn't obvious unless you know the system
[11:54] <pepsiman> where do bugs reported with dapper's bug buddy end up?
[11:58] <dholbach> pepsiman: bug-buddy bugs always end up at bugs.gnome.org
[12:03] <pepsiman> I can't find my bugs on there
[12:04] <dholbach> did you set up a mail server on your box?
[12:04] <dholbach> bug-buddy in dapper still needed a locally set up mailserver
[12:05] <pepsiman> yes, and I told it to CC me, and I got the CC at my gmail address
[12:05] <dholbach> hm
[12:05] <dholbach> maybe it takes a while?
[12:06] <pepsiman> 2 days?
[12:06] <dholbach> strange
[12:06] <dholbach> you could ask in #bugs on irc.gnome.org
[12:08] <Hobbsee> Kamion: ah, gotcha
[12:08] <Hobbsee> Kamion: sorry about that
[12:14] <Kamion> np
[12:15] <Hobbsee> seems to be a fair few of them.
[12:16] <Kamion> feel free to send stuff that looks like a stupid installer bug to me for stupidity assessment :)
[12:19] <Hobbsee> Kamion: heh, yeah, i think i did that earlier
[12:20] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Have you read the changelog for the kernel? Something should be mentioned there about it.
[12:20] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: it was a regression with dri - i couldnt tell which update broke it though
[12:20] <TheMuso> Right
[12:27] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810/+bug/61979
[12:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61979 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "[Regression]  2.6.17-8-generic makes X crash if DRI is enabled in xorg.conf" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[12:28] <TheMuso> right
[12:34] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: still dead.
[12:35] <TheMuso> damn
[12:37] <Bazzi> damn, too, I got such a chip on my laptop :(
[01:12] <Hobbsee> hey cool, i got a reply on my bug.
[01:14] <Hobbsee> !xcfg
[01:14] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:15] <dholbach> how's the bug day going for all of you?
[01:19] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62569 in Ubuntu "Request: integrate Django framework in the repositories" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62569
[01:19] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62570 in Ubuntu "Library compatibility with debian? (Xara LX vector graphics)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62570
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62571 in soundconverter (universe) "Soundconverter silently fails when inadequate permissions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62571
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62573 in firefox (main) "Firefox doesn't break lines after Thai" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62573
[01:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62572 in totem (main) "totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin is obsolete and should be removed" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62572
[01:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62509 in Ubuntu "access to root shell by aborting filesystem check" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62509
[01:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62574 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "Xorg/GDM restart randomly with i810" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62574
[01:24] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62575 in usplash (main) "Impossible to get console login with ctrl+alt+F1 and video sucks" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62575
[01:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62576 in Ubuntu "Dapper instalation freezes at 15% on sony vaio vgn-s5hp" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62576
[01:34] <bddebian> Boo
[01:34] <Hobbsee_> boo!
[01:34] <bddebian> aaahhh
[01:34] <ogra> bee
[01:34] <bddebian> :)
[01:37] <bddebian> I'm outdated :-(
[01:38] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62590 in Ubuntu "openoffice.org FTBFS, when built on edgy's kernel" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62590
[01:49] <pepsiman> lo secretlondon
[01:49] <secretlondon> hi
[01:49] <dholbach> hiya secretlondon
[01:49] <dholbach> back already?
[01:50] <secretlondon> yeah - just had to do some shopping
[01:51] <dholbach> ah ok
[01:55] <pepsiman> secretlondon: I sent you an e-mail
[01:56] <secretlondon> pepsiman: about your bug?
[01:56] <pepsiman> yep
[01:56] <pepsiman> you didn't subscribe
[02:00] <secretlondon> I've been trying not to subscribe to everything to avoid having 1000 emails
[02:01] <secretlondon> pepsiman: thanks. i'll do that
[02:04] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62580 in Ubuntu "Jigdo file for Desktop cd is missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62580
[02:04] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62582 in gnome-applets (main) "Frequency Scaling suddenly unsupported (Pentium-M)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62582
[02:04] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62583 in firefox (main) "[Edgy]  Firefox 1 RC1 Released..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62583
[02:04] <secretlondon> pepsiman: i've replicated
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62586 in notification-daemon (main) "[Edgy]  The bubble title uses too much lines" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62586
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62587 in Ubuntu "The Arabic Write error !" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62587
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62588 in Ubuntu "Time 12H format not include for SA" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62588
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62589 in Ubuntu "Hejry Calendar not include in gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62589
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62591 in openoffice.org (main) "Cannot change path for openoffice templates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62591
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62592 in bug-buddy (main) "Doesn't display crashed program name" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62592
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62593 in evolution-data-server (main) "Does not display alarms until I start evolution" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62593
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62594 in Ubuntu "Device bluetooth not detected anymore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62594
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62596 in glibc (main) "ld.so.conf disappeared?" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62596
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62597 in glibc (main) "libc6-sparc64* are busted" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62597
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62599 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "installation fails with "return: 212: Illegal number: -1"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62599
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62600 in grub (main) ""Single User mode" should be renamed" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62600
[02:07] <pepsiman> secretlondon: thanks
[02:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62601 in rhythmbox (main) "Art decoration causes crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62601
[02:07] <dholbach> holy cow!
[02:09] <dholbach> hm, not easy to figure out
[02:19] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62603 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Function keys" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62603
[02:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62602 in vmware-player (multiverse) "package configuration failure leads to reconfiguring every time a package gets installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62602
[02:39] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62604 in fontforge (main) "Segmentation fault on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62604
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62605 in kdeaddons (main) "Java 6 System tray not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62605
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62606 in slashem (universe) "Missing folder" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62606
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62607 in samba (main) "(smbfs, Dapper) multiple cifs issues" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62607
[02:51] <Hobbsee> bug 54788
[02:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54788 in apache "apache don't install on Edgy (6.10)" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54788
[02:58] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62608 in Ubuntu "getting cpuindex for acpiid 0xnn delay on booting Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62608
[02:58] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62610 in adept (main) "impossible to manager repositories" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62610
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62609 in gnome-power-manager (main) "hibernate and suspend options missing from g-p-m menus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62609
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62611 in adept (main) "no help available when pressing F1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62611
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62613 in kubuntu-meta (main) "Correct locale settings not set within KDE after installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62613
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62614 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "Kernel panic when hotsyncing palm." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62614
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62615 in sleuthkit (universe) "Please sync sleuthkit (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62615
[03:21] <dholbach> hello everybody! welcome to another episode of the HUG DAY show!
[03:23] <dholbach> how are you all doing?
[03:23] <dholbach> :-)
[03:23] <tuxmaniac> dholbach> today is HUG day?? bah..  I did not know that
[03:23] <dholbach> look at the topic! :-)
[03:23] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee> Hi..
[03:24] <dholbach> welcome to the HUG DAY :)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hey tuxmaniac
[03:24] <Hobbsee> no it's not...it's not hug day...well, only for another 36 mins...
[03:24] <neutrinomass> goodmorning dholbach :)
[03:24] <tuxmaniac> bddebian> Its HUG DAY :)
[03:24] <dholbach> heya bddebian, hey neutrinomass :)
[03:24] <neutrinomass> a hard core one too !
[03:25] <dholbach> so which bugs are we cracking on today?
[03:25] <bddebian> Heya tuxmaniac, neutrinomass, dholbach
[03:25] <Lure> dholbach: busy on meetings (not much time for ubuntu :-(( )
[03:25] <seb128> booting between dapper and edgy
[03:25] <bddebian> hehe
[03:28] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62616 in cupsys (main) "/etc/cups/client.conf is no more provided with cups in Dapper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62616
[03:28] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62617 in Baltix (main) "Should not reboot after successful CD test by default." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62617
[03:28] <dholbach> sfllaw: happy HUG DAY
[03:29] <dholbach> are there any specific bugs you guys look at atm?
[03:29] <seb128> dholbach: trying to get valgrind working on amd64 edgy, no luck :/
[03:30] <dholbach> seb128: what does it say? or where does it complain?
[03:30] <seb128> "valgrind: m_debuginfo/storage.c:311 (vgModuleLocal_addDiCfSI): Assertion 'cfsi->len > 0 && cfsi->len < 2000000' failed."
[03:31] <seb128> when trying to run gedit (or probably any multithreaded program) with it
[03:32] <dholbach> *nod* I get that here too
[03:34] <neutrinomass> *save session support, that is
[03:36] <seb128> neutrinomass: UI change, or keyboard modifier to press when validating the action?
[03:37] <neutrinomass> seb128: UI change. I had some problems because I had compiz running (and for some reason it crashed gnome-session) and then I didn't like how no application supports it
[03:38] <neutrinomass> It's actually a decent UI change, it adds a small checkbox under "suspend", but higher than cancel
[03:54] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/61556
[03:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61556 in kubuntu-default-settings "wireless wm168b in notebook pcchips a530" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[03:54] <Hobbsee> where do i shove bugs like that?  i dont remember...
[03:57] <seb128> ok guys
[03:57] <seb128> I need a GIMP USER ;)
[03:58] <seb128> somebody who already used a "gaussian blur"
[03:58] <seb128> and can comment on bug #48548
[03:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48548 in gimp "broken gaussian blur" [Low,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48548
[03:59] <dholbach> seb128: ping jimmac or tigert :)
[04:00] <ogra> sounds like he's trying to blur an indexed image ;)
[04:01] <seb128> ogra: does the behaviour looks wrong to you?
[04:01] <seb128> dholbach: no no, we have great people on that chan eager to participate, just wait, one will reply ;)
[04:01] <ogra> seb128, blurring a transparent layer should only feather the edges ... if it turns to black it might be the wrong mode ... indexed pics beahve like that
[04:02] <dholbach> seb128: right! :)
[04:02] <seb128> ogra: maybe you could comment on the bug saying that? ;)
[04:03] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62618 in kubuntu-default-settings (main) "edgy default purple color ugly" [Wishlist,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62618
[04:03] <seb128> ah ah
[04:03] <ogra> seb128, will do, even i cant confirm it due to lack of dapper here atm
[04:03] <seb128> "purple color ugly"
[04:03] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:03] <seb128> ogra: try on edgy if you know how to do
[04:04] <seb128> ogra: you might confirm or find it's fixed ;)
[04:04] <seb128> "I very much dislike the current purple color theme (window decorations and background) that kubuntu 6.10 has as default.
[04:04] <seb128> And I feel somwhow that I am not alone... I vote for revering it back to dappers default or choose some other blue color again that is not purple.."
[04:04] <seb128> typical rant on theme change
[04:04] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:05] <dholbach> "my working environment changed - HEEEEEEEEELP!"
[04:06] <dholbach> "Thanks for your comment. The changes you are requesting require more
[04:06] <dholbach> discussion and should rather be done on an appropriate mailing list or
[04:06] <dholbach> forum.
[04:06] <dholbach> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/forums/ might be a good start."
[04:06] <ogra> seb128, works in edgy  ... commented ...
[04:06] <dholbach> => Rejected :)
[04:06] <seb128> ogra: thank you ;)
[04:06] <ogra> :)
[04:06] <Hobbsee> dholbach: *grin*
[04:06] <Hobbsee> dholbach: no....dont get them on the mailing list too...
[04:08] <seb128> k, doing a small break and back to FORWARD SOME BUGS UPSTREAM ;)
[04:08] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:08] <Hobbsee> "here.  you fix this, instead of us"
[04:09] <dholbach> Hobbsee: good thinking
[04:10] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:14] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62619 in gnome-power-manager (main) ""interactive" option doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62619
[04:14] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62620 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Panasonic R4: hotkeys and s3 don't work in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62620
[04:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62621 in beagle (main) "beagle-search does not start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62621
[04:22] <sfllaw> Hobbsee: Man, if you hadn't told me that, I would have so poured my tea all over dholbach's laptop.
[04:23] <Hobbsee> sfllaw: *grin*
[04:23] <Hobbsee> sfllaw: glad i stopped you then
[04:28] <dholbach> hmmmmm, tea
[04:28] <dholbach> baklava
[04:28] <dholbach> good music
[04:29] <dholbach> how's the rest of you guys doing?
[04:29] <dholbach> hi pschulz01_, Aikurn, lfittl
[04:29] <dholbach> hey mvo - how's the bug triage going?
[04:29] <lfittl> hey dholbach
[04:29] <mvo> hey dholbach!
[04:30] <dholbach> sfllaw: hey malakhi
[04:30] <dholbach> happy hug day!
[04:30] <malakhi> hello
[04:31] <dholbach> you should all say when you close a bug or have to questions to a bug
[04:31] <dholbach> or we could pick a list of bugs together and shrink it to 0 :-)
[04:32] <sfllaw> malakhi: Psst.  I didn't say that.
[04:32] <dholbach> sfllaw: hmmmmm?
[04:32] <sfllaw> 10:30 < dholbach> sfllaw: hey malakhi
[04:33] <dholbach> oops
[04:33] <dholbach> lalalala
[04:33] <malakhi> i gathered as much
[04:33] <malakhi> :)
[04:33] <dholbach> nevermind me then :)
[04:33] <sfllaw> dholbach: Do you think 19524 is actually a firefox bug?
[04:33] <dholbach> bug 19524
[04:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 19524 in firefox "Firefox does not pay attention to GNOME DPI setting, nor work with its own setting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/19524
[04:33] <sfllaw> dholbach: I don't see why firefox would care to import GNOME settings at all.
[04:34] <dholbach> I don't know enough about firefox gnome integration
[04:34] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62622 in Ubuntu "Power down does not complete" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62622
[04:34] <Aikurn> hi
[04:34] <sfllaw> dholbach: I think there isn't any, really.
[04:35] <dholbach> gnome file selector!
[04:35] <dholbach> take that!
[04:35] <dholbach> :-)
[04:35] <dholbach> hi asimon
[04:35] <asimon> Hello :)
[04:35] <sfllaw> dholbach: Is that GNOME or GTK?
[04:36] <sfllaw> I think it's the GTK file selector.
[04:36] <mvo> dholbach: doing HW regression testing currently :)
[04:36] <mvo> waves
[04:36] <sfllaw> mvo: Ave!
[04:36] <dholbach> sfllaw: yes, it is gtk file selector
[04:37] <dholbach> but there's firefox-gnome-support :-)
[04:37] <dholbach>  This is an extension to Firefox that allows it to use protocol
[04:37] <dholbach>  handlers from Gnome-VFS, such as smb or sftp, and other Gnome
[04:37] <dholbach>  integration features.
[04:37] <sfllaw> Stylish!
[04:37] <sfllaw> Thanks for finding that.
[04:38] <dholbach> but i'm not sure about printing stuff
[04:38] <dholbach> it'd surprise me very much if firefox knew anything about gtk 2.10 and printing
[04:38] <dholbach> oh no
[04:38] <dholbach> that's about the screen
[04:39] <dholbach> do you know where to specify the DPI?
[04:40] <sfllaw> In Firefox and GNOME, yes.
[04:40] <dholbach> where?
[04:40] <sfllaw> In Firefox, go to about:config.  In GNOME, go to System > Preferences > Font > Details.
[04:41] <dholbach> ah details
[04:41] <dholbach> hmhmmh
[04:42] <dholbach> screen.resolution doesn't seem to exist in edgy, does it?
[04:42] <sfllaw> ?
[04:43] <dholbach> firefox -> about:config -> screen:resolution ?
[04:43] <dholbach> i used 'screen.resolution' in the filter, but nothing came up
[04:43] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62623 in cdbs (main) "cdbs-edit-patch fails due to debian/rules whitespace" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62623
[04:44] <dholbach> hey jikanter - happy hug day!
[04:44] <dholbach> nice, it's getting a bit more crowded in here :-)
[04:44] <jikanter> thanks
[04:44] <asimon> dholbach: try screen_resolution
[04:44] <dholbach> no luck
[04:44] <dholbach> nothing with 'screen' either
[04:45] <asimon> dholbach: I have a key here called browser.display.screen_resolution
[04:45] <sfllaw> I wonder if setting browser.display.screen_resolution by hand still works?
[04:45] <sfllaw> Or layout.css.dpi.
[04:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62624 in gnome-system-tools (main) "netwok-admin doesn't store wireless card changes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62624
[04:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62625 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Notification of "Battery Charged" After every Login" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62625
[04:47] <neutrinomass> bug 31011 - what "default soundcard" option does it refer to ?
[04:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31011 in control-center "Don't show "Default sound card" unless there is more than one card" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31011
[04:48] <dholbach> neutrinomass: gnome-sound-properties - 2nd tab
[04:49] <neutrinomass> yep, there it is... thanks
[04:50] <jikanter> if no ubuntu bug exists in malone, where is it most likely to exist upstream?
[04:50] <dholbach> jikanter: which bug are you looking at?
[04:50] <dholbach> jikanter: or which package?
[04:50] <jikanter> mdb viewer
[04:51] <dholbach> is that mdbtools-gmdb?
[04:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62626 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "Random synaptics mouse input lockups" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62626
[04:51] <jikanter> yeah
[04:52] <jikanter> I just found it, thanks
[04:52] <dholbach> ok, safest bet is to check /usr/share/doc/... ok :-)
[04:52] <dholbach> I think they're on sf.net
[04:57] <dholbach> wb seb128!
[04:58] <seb128> re dholbach :)
[04:58] <neutrinomass> bug 59580 seems to have been fixed in edgy - can somebody else please confirm ?
[04:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59580 in gnome-utils "Dictionary Panel applet results window poorly sized" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59580
[04:59] <dholbach> I still find it a bit small
[05:00] <neutrinomass> what did you search for ?
[05:00] <dholbach> test
[05:00] <dholbach> ;-)
[05:00] <dholbach> but i only have a 1024x768 on the laptop, so maybe it depends on that *shrug*
[05:00] <seb128> neutrinomass: search for "ingress" as on the bug is still too small
[05:00] <dholbach> it seemed less small than in the bug report, though
[05:00] <seb128> it displays only
[05:00] <seb128> "Ingress \In"gress\, v. i.
[05:00] <seb128>    To go in; to enter. [R.] "
[05:01] <seb128> which is not a lot
[05:01] <dholbach> we could mark it 'gnomelove' ;-)
[05:01] <neutrinomass> true... but it's an applet anyway .... Let's let upstream decide though ;)
[05:01] <seb128> right
[05:12] <zul> interesting dd is segfaulting on me
[05:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31011 in control-center "Don't show "Default sound card" unless there is more than one card" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31011
[05:14] <dholbach> zul: you're not the only one
[05:16] <zul> dholbach: oh goody
[05:16] <pepsiman> zul: LANG="" dd ...
[05:16] <neutrinomass> zul: Try with LANG=C (bug 42264 )
[05:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42264 in gettext "language pack po files drop cflag comment which causes segfaults in e. g. 'dd'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42264
[05:16] <zul> so i dont have to add a bug
[05:16] <zul> thanks
[05:18] <dholbach> seb128: what do you think about bug 32348?
[05:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32348 in gnome-applets "2 panel applets showing battery status on upgrades" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32348
[05:18] <dholbach> the last part suggests to mark battstat applet deprecated
[05:18] <dholbach> of course it's too late for edgy
[05:18] <seb128> mail ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-desktop list saying we want to deprecate it and ask if some people are still using it
[05:19] <dholbach> for edgy+1
[05:19] <seb128> deprecating it would also mean closing a stack or sucking bugs about it
[05:19] <dholbach> what about a new tag 'discussion'? :)
[05:19] <seb128> no :p
[05:19] <dholbach> "bugs to start threads about" :)
[05:19] <seb128> maybe a "discussion" team to Cc ;)
[05:19] <dholbach> oh man - better ont
[05:19] <dholbach> not
[05:20] <dholbach> I know some people would love to 'make decisions' the whole day ;)
[05:20] <seb128> that would put the list one click away from the bug
[05:20] <seb128> that's sort of what GNOME guys are doing for usuability, accessibility, etc
[05:20] <dholbach> *nod*
[05:20] <dholbach> ok - I'll start a discussion team and put Mark into it ;-)
[05:21] <seb128> :)
[05:23] <dholbach> hey gnomefreak
[05:23] <dholbach> hey geser
[05:24] <geser> hello
[05:24] <dholbach> Happy Hug Day!
[05:24] <dholbach> how're you doing?
[05:24] <gnomefreak> hi dholbach
[05:24] <gnomefreak> im good and yourself?
[05:24] <gnomefreak> neutrinomass: script that will search :)
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62628 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (main) "Edgy Desktop CD fails to initialize graphics device (regression to 6.06 LTS)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62628
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62629 in kdegraphics (main) "Kamera ioslave is very slow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62629
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62630 in linux-source-2.6.17 "acpi bug in edgy eft" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62630
[05:25] <dholbach> gnomefreak: a bit tired but - i've been going through a bunch of old bugs and was able to close a bunch of them
[05:25] <dholbach> that feels good ;)
[05:25] <neutrinomass> gnomefreak: I'm thinking of it right now
[05:25] <gnomefreak> .me hugs dholbach
[05:26] <neutrinomass> gnomefreak: Not a script that will search (it's easier to do that manually) but a script that will grab from launchpad, fix up a bug report, ask you if you want ot make any changes and then send it to bugzilla ;)
[05:26] <seb128> launchpad should sort of do that one day
[05:26] <gnomefreak> neutrinomass: a bit harder (longer) of a script
[05:27] <gnomefreak> last i heard LP was making alot of changes on karma but thats all i have heard from LP people
[05:27] <neutrinomass> gnomefreak: Yeah, but more useful ;)
[05:27] <gnomefreak> neutrinomass: true
[05:27] <neutrinomass> They added a bunch of karma for support requests
[05:28] <gnomefreak> they did end up adding it?
[05:28] <neutrinomass> gnomefreak: yep, for about a month now
[05:29] <gnomefreak> yeaht hats about when they were talking about it. someone came into -nun and was polling us on it
[05:29] <gnomefreak> where are maintainers when you need to yell at one :(
[05:30] <dholbach> <- slacker
[05:30] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:30] <gnomefreak> dholbach: your around 2 million in karma i thought
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62627 in debootstrap (main) "(Edgy, buildd variant) Couldn't find these debs: linux-kernel-headers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62627
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62631 in gnome-cups-manager (main) "Print a Test Page button on printer properties." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62631
[05:31] <dholbach> 6,38 - but only 5,26 in bugs
[05:31] <dholbach> look at seb's stats
[05:31] <gnomefreak> ah
[05:31] <neutrinomass> with all that karma inflation in about a year we'll need standard form notation for it :-/
[05:32] <dholbach> karma inflation!
[05:32] <gnomefreak> Lp was talking about splitting up karma also.
[05:32] <dholbach> I'm working hard for that! ;-)
[05:32] <neutrinomass> dholbach: Seriously. Even if you don't do _anything_, it still increases
[05:33] <gnomefreak> neutrinomass: it didnt used to. it used to go down :(
[05:33] <dholbach> neutrinomass: I'd love to try, but then seb128 would hit me
[05:33] <neutrinomass> Increases in the karma are mainly due to inflation, not additional work (of course, it increases exponentially )
[05:33] <neutrinomass> gnomefreak: I know ;)
[05:33] <gnomefreak> we didnt package the new nvidia drivers did we?
[05:34] <gnomefreak> the 9 series
[05:34] <neutrinomass> dholbach: Translate a single string, and then watch your translation karma grow ;) Mine tripled in a month :0
[05:34] <seb128> dholbach: I'm fine if you try after beating me at bug karma so I can beat you again ;)
[05:34] <dholbach> seb128: I can't imagine that day
[05:35] <seb128> come on, have a try ;)
[05:43] <zul> heh in half hour ill fix a bug..
[05:43] <seb128> anybody wanting to forward a GNOME bug upstream? bug #53132 is a feature request for an utc time-admin option
[05:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53132 in gst "[time-admin]  We need a GUI to enable/disable utc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53132
[05:43] <seb128> zul: which one? ;)
[05:44] <zul> xen on 2.6.17
[05:44] <seb128> ah, nice
[05:44] <zul> that and a couple of kernel bugs later of course :)
[05:44] <seb128> rock on
[05:51] <sfllaw> Gah!  I wish people would stop sending me spam entitled "QA Bug Report"
[05:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52471 in gnome-games "gnometris:  mistake after changing the theme" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52471
[05:52] <seb128> marked as forwarded rather, there was a bug already opened upstream, I updated it too
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62633 in gparted (main) "Only First Hard Drive Accessible" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62633
[05:56] <neutrinomass> seb128: forwarded 53132 :)
[05:57] <pepsiman> gst isn't maintained
[05:57] <seb128> ;)
[05:57] <seb128> pepsiman: gst is maintained, it switched to new infrastructure using dbus during the edgy cycle
[05:58] <seb128> pepsiman: lot of bugs have been fixed
[05:58] <seb128> pepsiman: and upstream worked on a bounty to fix some of the issues we had with it
[05:58] <neutrinomass> seems that the maintainer doesn't pay a lot of attention to the bugzilla though :-/ I've filed a few gst reports, none got a reply
[05:58] <Kamion> 62633 is a duplicate - I must work on that post-beta
[05:58] <pepsiman> hmm, maybe it's just disks admin which isn't maintained
[06:00] <seb128> pepsiman: disks-admin is not really maintained, the maintainer is not the same as for the other tools and seems to be busy too
[06:00] <seb128> pepsiman: that tools has been dropped for edgy
[06:00] <neutrinomass> pepsiman: the most troublesome part is that the requests for adsl modems are being ignored (or overlooked )  :(
[06:00] <seb128> it needs to be rewritten for new architecture
[06:00] <seb128> and to use hal instead of doing parsing
[06:01] <pepsiman> anyone want to confirm bug 61834 ?
[06:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61834 in hal "SD slot on 7-in-1 USB card reader not recognised as SD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61834
[06:07] <gnomefreak> who does screensaver bugs for gnome? gnome-desktop?
[06:07] <Kamion> ogra
[06:07] <Kamion> gnomefreak: ^--
[06:08] <gnomefreak> Kamion: ty
[06:08] <Kamion> at least, last I checked
[06:08] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62636 in quodlibet (universe) "crash during run" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62636
[06:08] <Kamion> he's still marked as the bug contact for gnome-screensaver, so just stick them on that package
[06:11] <gnomefreak> k ty
[06:13] <pepsiman> seb128: I don't think you need the hardware to understand the bug
[06:14] <gnomefreak> anyone want to confirm bug 61775   (was kind of hoping to see if this is an issue for anyone else and to see if we can get it fixed for edgy)
[06:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61775 in gnome-screensaver "[Edgy]  WebCollage screensaver doesnt work " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61775
[06:14] <gnomefreak> pepsiman: to confirm it it has to happen here. without the hardware we wont ever see the issue ;)
[06:15] <pepsiman> gnomefreak: How can I proceed with this bug then?
[06:16] <gnomefreak> pepsiman: let me look at it brb
[06:18] <gnomefreak> i guess hope martin pitt knows about the issue or can look into it.
[06:18] <gnomefreak> pepsiman: its just a naming issue?
[06:19] <pepsiman> yes
[06:20] <seb128> pepsiman: looking
[06:20] <pepsiman> the hardware manufacturer has given the device an unusual name for one slot
[06:20] <pepsiman> the other slots are fine
[06:21] <gnomefreak> pepsiman: it reads fine though?
[06:21] <seb128> pepsiman: ask pitti about it when he's around
[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62637 in banshee (universe) "AudioScrobbler plugin only reports tracks which were manually played" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62637
[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62638 in Ubuntu "/home full -> can't log in to gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62638
[06:21] <pepsiman> gnomefreak: yeah, just the wrong icon on the desktop
[06:21] <ogra> gnomefreak, thats a duplicate of another g-s-s bug ... i have a fix for it, will upload after beta
[06:22] <seb128> pepsiman: I've pointed it to pitti
[06:22] <gnomefreak> ogra: ok thank you  can i close this one i filed than?
[06:22] <ogra> gnomefreak, essentially its just missing the netpbm dependency
[06:22] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[06:22] <ogra> gnomefreak, i'll go over the g-s-s bugs next week
[06:22] <gnomefreak> ogra: ok thank you
[06:24] <seb128> neutrinomass is on fire today ;)
[06:24] <neutrinomass> ;)
[06:24] <pepsiman> I had bug 62638 with my edgy install in qemu
[06:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62638 in Ubuntu "/home full -> can't log in to gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62638
[06:24] <neutrinomass> pepsiman: That's a dupe !
[06:24] <pepsiman> k
[06:25] <neutrinomass> There are 4-5 bugs /somewhere/ in launchpad about this problem
[06:25] <neutrinomass> I'll try to find one
[06:25] <gnomefreak> seb128: bug 49920  what would you do with this. there hasnt been a dup i can find on this and he is the only one with this issue.
[06:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49920 in openoffice.org "Doesnt start with openoffice.org-gnome and openoffice.org-gtk installed" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49920
[06:25] <neutrinomass> pepsiman: Out of curiosity: is /home on a seperate partition ?
[06:27] <geser> I'm trying to rebuild php4 (for some security fixes) but it ftbfs as it build-depends on libdb4.3-dev (through apache2-mpm-prefork-dev) and libdb4.4-dev (directly and through apache-common) and both libdb4.x-dev can't be installed at the same time
[06:27] <geser> has someone an idea how to resolve it?
[06:27] <seb128> gnomefreak: let it open until than somebody who has a clue ask the right question or figure what is wrong
[06:28] <seb128> gnomefreak: maybe change the importance to low
[06:28] <gnomefreak> k
[06:30] <pepsiman> neutrinomass: in my qemu edgy install I only have the one partition
[06:30] <gnomefreak> we changed the link for the bugs?
[06:31] <neutrinomass> pepsiman: ok
[06:31] <neutrinomass> bug 47145
[06:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47145 in Ubuntu "It's not possible to login through GUI when disk is full" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47145
[06:31] <pepsiman> neutrinomass: I'm not the reporter of 62638
[06:31] <neutrinomass> pepsiman: ahh, ok
[06:33] <pepsiman> neutrinomass: and I couldn't work out how to send ctrl+alt+fx in qemu
[06:33] <neutrinomass> Actually I'm not sure if 62638 is a dupe of 47145. Login can fail for 3 reasons: 1. No space on /home , 2. No space on /tmp  I'm not sure if both can be fixed in the same way :-/
[06:34] <neutrinomass> any advice on if it should be marked as a dupe ?
[06:36] <dholbach> wow - good work everybody!
[06:36] <dholbach> looks like once I leave you guys alone, the party is going on in here :)
[06:37] <gnomefreak> :)
[06:39] <pepsiman> neutrinomass: They are related, but not identical. Ideally the fix would work for both
[06:40] <neutrinomass> yeah.... should I bump 62638's importance as well ?
[06:41] <pepsiman> yeah
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62640 in yelp (main) "Does not save browse with caret setting" [Low,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62640
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62641 in lhs2tex (universe) "Hello World fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62641
[06:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62639 in mplayer (multiverse) "Error related with mp3lib" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62639
[06:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62642 in nautilus (main) "files deleted from usb storage devices mishandled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62642
[06:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62643 in initramfs-tools (main) "mkinitramfs has a buggy verbose mode" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62643
[06:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62644 in ubiquity (main) "Various freezes with ubiquity on AMD64 Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62644
[06:48] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62645 in mplayer (multiverse) "mplayer doesn't load subtitles" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62645
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62646 in kdepim (main) "kmail displays meeting invitation times in GMT" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62646
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62647 in xorg (main) "Random "Failed to start x server" on Dapper LTS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62647
[06:51] <dholbach> hey thekorn, robitaille, did447
[06:52] <matsubara> does anybody knows if there's a way to highlight messages per channel in X-chat? I configured my 'Extra words to highlight:' preference to highlight the "New bug:" string but I'm not really interested in New bugs in ubuntu. :)
[06:55] <robitaille> hi dholbach
[06:55] <dholbach> happy hug day!
[06:55] <dholbach> hi Fracture
[06:56] <Fracture> dholbach: hi, do I know you ?
[06:58] <dholbach> Fracture: no, probably not - I was just welcoming everybody to the HUG DAY! :-)
[06:58] <dholbach> hi boricua
[06:58] <dholbach> How are you guys doing?
[06:58] <boricua> howdy
[06:58] <Fracture> dholbach: aah, cool, no worries.
[06:58] <dholbach> neutrinomass: on which list of bugs are you working?
[06:58] <dholbach> wb Lure
[06:59] <dholbach> :-)
[06:59] <boricua> gnomefreak: did you have a change to look at the 52648
[06:59] <neutrinomass> dholbach: I forwarded a few upstream, quick glance through old needsinfo and I'm trying to sort out a yelp issue now
[06:59] <boricua> chance not change
[06:59] <dholbach> neutrinomass: WOW
[06:59] <dholbach> neutrinomass: you rock
[07:00] <neutrinomass> and the weirdest thing is happening: I'm calling gtk_toggle_set_active(blah,FALSE) and the widget is becoming insensitive :-/ I tried setting it to sensitive after that, and it still is insensitive
[07:00] <gnomefreak> bug 52648
[07:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52648 in gnome-network "locks system configring linksys card" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52648
[07:00] <gnomefreak> boricua: give me a sec i forgot about it
[07:00] <neutrinomass> dholbach: If I rock, then a new word needs to be invented for most of the people in this channel ;)
[07:00] <boricua> gnomefreak: ok
[07:01] <neutrinomass> By the way, I hope you all noticed that for the last couple of days the bug count is _constant_ if not decreasing :)
[07:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62648 in oem-config (main) "immediately crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62648
[07:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62649 in evolution (main) "Message window hangs in Evolution" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62649
[07:02] <sfllaw> neutrinomass: Obviously, this is because of the beta freeze.  People aren't putting in new bugs.
[07:02] <gnomefreak> boricua: i cant do nothing with it now.
[07:02] <sfllaw> ;)
[07:02] <neutrinomass> boricua: That's probably a kernel bug you've got there
[07:02] <dholbach> that's because some people are working on bugs
[07:02] <gnomefreak> can anyone confirm bug 52648
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52648 in gnome-network "locks system configring linksys card" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52648
[07:02] <boricua> 52348 is similar to 40460
[07:03] <sfllaw> boricua: Agreed about a kernel bug.  Can you find anything in /var/log/kern.log that looks like an Oops or Panic?
[07:03] <boricua> i meant 52648 is similar to 40460
[07:03] <neutrinomass> boricua: system lockups/crashes, AFAIK at least, can only be attributed to X or kernel ....
[07:03] <gnomefreak> boricua: i dont have a lnksys card but mine doesnt freeze up
[07:03] <neutrinomass> boricua: ubuntu 6.06 ?
[07:03] <boricua> gnomefreak: this one is usb
[07:03] <boricua> yes 6.06
[07:04] <boricua> usb wireless
[07:07] <boricua> sfllaw, no msg in log
[07:10] <neutrinomass> boricua: Do "lspci -vv > lspci-vv.log", "lspci -vvn > lspci-vvn.log" and "dmesg > dmesg.log" and attach them to the bug report please
[07:13] <boricua> is this important Sep 27 13:10:49 localhost kernel: [17179939.788000]  rausb0: unable to signal thread  yes 6.06
[07:13] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62650 in ubiquity (main) "second hdd is not available under partition manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62650
[07:14] <CarlFK> in LP, is "fix released" all that needs to be set to close a bug?
[07:14] <sfllaw> CarlFK: Closure is automatic after that, yes.
[07:14] <CarlFK> thanks
[07:14] <boricua> neutrinomass: adding the code you requested to bug now
[07:16] <neutrinomass> boricua: great
[07:19] <boricua> neutrinomass:can i attach both in one shot
[07:19] <boricua> neutrinomass: there both empty files
[07:20] <neutrinomass> boricua: Hm... they shouldn't be
[07:20] <boricua> i cut and paste the commad
[07:21] <boricua> lspci -vv > lspci-vv.log", "lspci -vvn > lspci-vvn.log" and "dmesg > dmesg.log" and attach them to the bug report please
[07:21] <neutrinomass> boricua: Are you sure you did it correctly? Open up a terminal , type those three. The files will then be in the "/home/boricua" directory
[07:21] <boricua> indeed i see the files size 0 2 files
[07:21] <boricua> dmseg has but not the other ones
[07:21] <neutrinomass> boricua: It's not one command, it's three commands
[07:21] <boricua> let me retry
[07:22] <neutrinomass> boricua: So if you go to a terminal and type "lspci", nothing shows up ?!
[07:22] <boricua> no my mistake  doing it over
[07:24] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62651 in fetchyahoo (universe) "[edgy]  errors while checking yahoo email" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62651
[07:26] <boricua> neutrinomass:uploading
[07:27] <boricua> neutrinomass:finish uploading 3 files
[07:28] <neutrinomass> boricua: Well done! Now please be patient until a kernel developer has time to take a look at it :)
[07:29] <boricua> neutrinomass:  i will and i have its been a while :-)  very patient :-)
[07:29] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62652 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "regression in ide-cd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62652
[07:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62653 in syslog-ng (universe) "syslog-ng misses first few kernel messages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62653
[07:34] <zul> dholbach: hah..
[07:34] <zul> xen-image-xen0-2.6.17-1-generic-xen0_2.6.17-1_i386.deb
[07:34] <dholbach> ROCK!
[07:35] <dholbach> &me hugs zul
[07:35] <dholbach> neat!
[07:35] <zul> yay! :)
[07:35] <zul> heh now for server, big-iron and amd64
[07:36] <FireRabbit> woo
[07:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62654 in xserver-xgl (universe) "SHIFT+BACKSPACE kill Xgl" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62654
[07:36] <FireRabbit> zul: i look forward to testing the amd64 kernel on my server.. i am having *horrible* problems right now
[07:38] <zul> FireRabbit: this is the same kernel that is in edgy execpt for it adds edgy
[07:38] <FireRabbit> er adds xen?
[07:38] <zul> yeah..
[07:39] <FireRabbit> ah, yeah, well i'm currently running a dapper system using the xen kernel from their binary distribution, and have horrible horrible problems keeping the time (i.e., it doesn't happen), so maybe a newer kernel will work better
[07:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62655 in openoffice.org (main) "Clicking on links in documents in OpenOffice.org doesn't bring Firefox in foreground" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62655
[07:41] <pepsiman> neither does clicking links anywhere else
[07:42] <FireRabbit> yeah, thats a bug in firefox if anything
[07:44] <pepsiman> is it a bug or a feature?
[07:44] <FireRabbit> depends who you ask I suppose :)
[07:45] <FireRabbit> might want to check the mozilla bugzilla
[07:45] <pepsiman> I've never found a bug in there
[07:46] <neutrinomass> In what package do X autoconfiguration bugs belong ? xorg or xorg-server ?
[07:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62656 in gnome-applets (main) "volume applet weird functioning" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62656
[07:48] <zul> FireRabbit: ah i c
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62657 in Ubuntu "Trying to use KDE icon theme in Gnome makes him unstartable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62657
[08:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62658 in uqm (multiverse) "uqm not installable in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62658
[08:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62659 in python-libgmail (universe) "New upstream version available: libgmail 0.1.5.1" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62659
[08:27] <sfllaw> neutrinomass: xserver-xorg contains the autodetection script in the debconf.
[08:37] <pepsiman> Is bug 62655 a duplicate of bug 41623?
[08:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62655 in openoffice.org "Clicking on links in documents in OpenOffice.org doesn't bring Firefox in foreground" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62655
[08:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41623 in firefox "Firefox windows do not get focus when launched" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41623
[08:38] <neutrinomass> sfllaw: Ok, thanks
[08:40] <neutrinomass> sfllaw: That's where I used to put them, but now I get a 404 https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg
[08:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62660 in gtk+2.0 (main) "File Chooser: changing the path in the location bar does not update list view" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62660
[08:53] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62661 in banshee (universe) "Unable to change rating of selected song" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62661
[08:56] <gnomefreak> pepsiman: sounds like it would be. I would ask the reporter of 62655 if it only happens in OO.o. if only happens in OO.o than it might be  a different issue
[08:57] <pepsiman> gnomefreak: it happens running "firefox url" in a terminal
[08:57] <gnomefreak> 62655 does?
[08:57] <pepsiman> gnomefreak: how can I run a different window manager to test if it's metacity?
[08:57] <pepsiman> gnomefreak: yes
[08:57] <gnomefreak> pepsiman: log into another DE like kde or xfce
[08:57] <gnomefreak> and try it
[08:58] <pepsiman> what do I install for that?
[08:58] <gnomefreak> pepsiman: xubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop  (there are other ways but i have 5-6 DE's on my pc all times )
[08:59] <blue-frog> would there by any arguments I could pass at livecd boot time to try avoiding an initramfs issue? (cp unable to open /root/var/log, mounting /root/.dev on /dev/.static failed...target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
[08:59] <blue-frog> the weird thind is it works on a del ^!) but on my vaioFS21
[08:59] <blue-frog> dell610
[09:00] <pepsiman> gnomefreak: thx
[09:00] <gnomefreak> pepsiman: yw
[09:19] <blue-frog> if I have mounting /cdrom on /root/cdrom failed: invalid argument.  which program should I incriminate to file a bug report?
[09:19] <blue-frog> from live cd daily live 20060927
[09:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62664 in adesklets (universe) "Desklets appear above other windows momentarily" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62664
[09:34] <sfllaw> neutrinomass: xorg seems to be the source package now.
[09:53] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62666 in nano (main) "Nano breaks bash scripts with default config in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62666
[09:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62667 in gnome-app-install (main) "Is Omnis Studio 4.1.1-0 really a software supported in EdgyEft by Ubuntu?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62667
[10:01] <pepsiman> gnomefreak: under xfce firefox does the same for new tabs, but new windows grab focus, so I think it's a different bug
[10:02] <gnomefreak> pepsiman: ok
[10:03] <dholbach> woah, lots of new people in here!
[10:03] <dholbach> how's the HUG DAY going?
[10:04] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62668 in gksu (main) "[Edgy]  Some strings can't be translated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62668
[10:16] <dholbach> good night
[10:16] <dholbach> and happy hugging!
[10:16] <sfllaw> dholbach: Night.
[10:17] <lfittl> gn8 dholbach
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62673 in gnome-app-install (main) "Add filter for Ubuntu/Kubuntu/..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62673
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62675 in sudo (main) "cd not recognised by sudo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62675
[10:28] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62669 in gnome-app-install (main) "[Edgy]  No package information about packages that are not supported by Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62669
[10:28] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62670 in Ubuntu "Cannot boot Edgy on Acer Aspire 5003 WLMi" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62670
[10:33] <blue-frog> when booting the live cd , have a way to connect ausb flash drive when I hit initramfs so that i can copy whatever logs needed to file a bug report?
[10:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62676 in usplash (main) "[edgy]  splash screen on startup needs to give feedback" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62676
[10:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62677 in gnome-network (universe) "Automatic service discovery are not activated when I click on the box for it" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62677
[10:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62678 in xorg (main) "In gdm or an X term, I can't use alphanumerical symbols in my password" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62678
[10:50] <matid> Hi everyone
[10:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62679 in Ubuntu "live cd stops at initramfs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62679
[10:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62680 in ez-ipupdate (universe) "Unable to create PID file after reboot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62680
[10:57] <sfllaw> blue-frog: In the initramfs?
[10:57] <sfllaw> Probably not.  There aren't a lot of drivers there.
[10:58] <blue-frog> sfllaw: well it stops at initramfs see  #62679
[10:59] <sfllaw> Ick.
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62681 in update-manager (main) "[Edgy]  Many translations still missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62681
[11:16] <ph8> that's a very general bug
[11:19] <towsonu2003> hi :)
[11:25] <pepsiman> ph8: not if you look at it
[11:37] <towsonu2003> everyone fighting with the bugs?
[11:41] <pepsiman> night all
[11:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62683 in popularity-contest (main) "Tries to send reports via e-mail although HTTP has been selected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62683
[11:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62684 in ubiquity (main) "Failed Install Poweredge 6350 Perc 2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62684
[11:43] <pschulz01_> Someone ping me? (are there logs anywhere?)
[11:47] <towsonu2003> ouch, so many "installer crashed" bugs...
[11:52] <towsonu2003> do you have any pointers on how to handle requests for new versions of packages?
[11:54] <geser> have you an example bug?
[11:55] <towsonu2003> yep, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-ntfs/+bug/54179
[11:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54179 in Baltix "2 new upstream ntfsprogs versions (1.13.0 and 1.13.1) were released a half year ago !" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[11:56] <towsonu2003> and unstable has it: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/otherosfs/ntfsprogs
[11:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62685 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "[Edgy regression]  Hostap driver for PRISM2 wifi card not working any more" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62685
[11:56] <towsonu2003> what do I do with this info now? ehueh
[11:56] <crimsun> the only problem is that we're way past UVF for main packages
[11:57] <crimsun> [linux-ntfs |   1.12.1-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Sources] 
[11:57] <towsonu2003> I could confirm it for the next release
[11:57] <towsonu2003> it's unconfirmed, which iseems inaccurate
[11:57] <crimsun> I'd mark it wishlist with a note for Edgy+1
[11:57] <crimsun> sure, Confirm+Wishlist
[11:58] <crimsun> just as long as it's clear that it won't make Edgy
[11:58] <towsonu2003> I can't mark their importance, I'll confirm
[11:58] <towsonu2003> thanks :)
[12:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62686 in xkeyboard-config (main) "ca(fr) layout is not included in /etc/X11/xkb/rules/base.xml" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62686