[01:12] <jldugger> when adding a new laptop page to the wiki, should i use LaptopTestingTeamTemplate or LaptopTestingTeamTemplateNext?
[06:31] <jldugger> how reliable is the acpi thermal reading?
[12:08] <yemu> hello everyone, first time here
[12:09] <yemu> i've just installed knot 3 on my toshiba m60
[12:11] <yemu> and generally it works ok, but there are some minot glithes
[12:20] <yemu> most important is that suspend to ram doesn't work
[12:21] <yemu> laptop goes to sleep, then when I wake it up - the screen remains black
[01:56] <sos> +n
[02:28] <malice_> ok on my laptop the two computers that tell me my networkconnection  in the top right near the speaker/ calander. Well I deleted it and now when I went to add it put it in the middle of the bar example Computer/network then a bar | then the volume setting the the calander then log out it put it on the other side of the bar and I want it back in with calander etc
[02:28] <malice_> did I make any sense?
[02:28] <malice_> :)
[02:28] <Nailor> Nope =)
[02:29] <malice_> ok
[02:29] <malice_> on the top bar
[02:29] <malice_> you see the two computers for networks
[02:29] <malice_> ?
[02:29] <Nailor> Yeah
[02:29] <Nailor> =)
[02:29] <malice_> ok
[02:29] <malice_> you see how it is near the speaker
[02:29] <Nailor> Or well, I'm using the network manager, but i know what your talking about 
[02:29] <malice_> or calander
[02:29] <Nailor> yeah
[02:30] <malice_> ok
[02:30] <malice_> well you see the bar that separates that stuff
[02:30] <Nailor> Yup
[02:30] <malice_> it will ok well I deleted the network icon
[02:30] <malice_> dont ask :)
[02:30] <malice_> when I added it back
[02:30] <malice_> it put it back on the other side of the bar
[02:31] <malice_> I want it back with the volume etc....
[02:31] <Nailor> oh
[02:31] <Nailor> weird
[02:31] <Nailor> Unless those are separate applications
[02:31] <malice_> no it used to be over there
[02:31] <malice_> until I removed it
[02:31] <Nailor> You're trying to add the Network Monitor+
[02:31] <Nailor> ?
[02:31] <malice_> over there not where it is now yes
[02:32] <malice_> network connection
[02:34] <malice_> you are using the network manager?
[02:34] <Nailor> Yup
[02:34] <malice_> whats that I am new to this kinda
[02:34] <Nailor> Extremely handly tool for managing wifi connections
[02:35] <Nailor> *handy
[02:35] <jldugger> does it work with hibernate?
[02:35] <malice_> Nailor is it already installed?
[02:35] <malice_> or do I need to apt-get?
[02:36] <Nailor> jldugger: Don't know, it works well with suspend so it might work well with hibernate too
[02:36] <Nailor> My hibernate doesn't work, so I can't really test :P
[02:36] <jldugger> doesnt work?
[02:36] <Nailor> malice_: Yeah, you need to install it
[02:36] <jldugger> my suspend doesnt work :P
[02:36] <Nailor> jldugger: My machine doesn't come back from hibernation
[02:36] <Nailor> mwah :)
[02:36] <Nailor> malice_: The package is networkmanager-gnome
[02:37] <malice_> ty
[02:37] <Nailor> Whoops, network-manager-gnome
[02:37] <malice_> is it under add remove or do I need to apt-get?
[02:37] <jldugger> malice_, but if you're just looking to move the notifcation tray, right click on the bar that seperates those things
[02:37] <Nailor> malice_: You need to use synaptic or apt-get/aptitude
[02:37] <Nailor> sudo aptitude install network-manager-gnome
[02:37] <Nailor> After that, reboot and it should work
[02:38] <jldugger> its sad, but the commandline is so much easier to communicate than trying to make synaptic go
[02:38] <malice_> I will try it brb
[02:38] <jldugger> actually
[02:38] <jldugger> its in add/remove
[02:38] <Nailor> oh. didn't know :)
[02:39] <malice_> to late
[02:39] <malice_> apt-get
[02:39] <jldugger> its all the same
[02:39] <malice_> :)
[02:39] <Nailor> jldugger: Yeah, when giving instructions, the commandline sure is more convenient
[02:39] <Nailor> Though it's not hard to say "install network-manager-gnome with synaptic" either :)
[02:40] <jldugger> but we always hear "this is the year of the linux desktop" and then everyone's guides and faqs say "apt-get install kerblah"
[02:40] <Nailor> =)
[02:40] <Nailor> Plus using apt-get is stupid in a way too 
[02:41] <Nailor> Compared to aptitude 
[02:41] <malice_> * Stopping DHCP client manager...                                       [fail] 
[02:41] <malice_> mmmm
[02:41] <malice_> it all installed just noticed that
[02:41] <crimsun> (edgy's aptitude and apt-get are much more similar)
[02:41] <Nailor> You don't have that prior installing network-manager
[02:41] <jldugger> dhcp?
[02:41] <Nailor> That's why it fails since it doesn't have a thing to stop
[02:41] <Nailor> DHCP client manager (dhcpd)
[02:41] <malice_> ok nothing to worry about then?
[02:41] <Nailor> The normal dhclient3 is there beforehand
[02:42] <Nailor> Nothing to worry.
[02:43] <malice_> ok when I rebot wil I see anything diffrent on this?
[02:43] <malice_> or do I need to man
[02:43] <jldugger> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[02:43] <malice_> ty
[02:52] <jldugger> so either his problem is solved, or its horribly broken