[07:59] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you up?
[07:59] <poningru> yarr me mateys
[07:59] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia
[08:00] <Burgundavia> hey poningru, Madpilot: fancy a job?
[08:00] <Madpilot> paid? ;)
[08:01] <Burgundavia> no
[08:01] <Madpilot> well, OK. What's it involve?
[08:01] <Burgundavia> finishing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Beta
[08:02] <Madpilot> what needs doing?
[08:03] <Burgundavia> make certain it includes everything new in Edgy since Dapper
[08:03] <Burgundavia> you can use the existing Knot pages to build it
[08:03] <Burgundavia> needs to be done by 28th
[08:03] <Madpilot> hmm, I've no idea what that would include, to be honest
[08:05] <Burgundavia> look at the previous Knot pages
[08:05] <Burgundavia> copy the content over
[08:05] <Burgundavia> clean it up
[08:05] <Burgundavia> not hard
[08:09] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, *everything* from the Knot2/Knot3 pages? They're fairly long pages in their own right...
[08:09] <Burgundavia> just the big stuff
[08:09] <Burgundavia> use discretion
[08:11] <Burgundavia> tell people about why the want edgy
[08:13] <Madpilot> Tomboy! Tomboy! Tomboy! ;)
[08:13] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:15] <Madpilot> hey, it helps keep all those stupid little scraps of paper from lurking under my keyboard...
[08:53] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, i am now, are you still?
[08:54] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: sort of
[08:54] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: can you help Madpilot with the Beta page?
[08:54] <elkbuntu> sure
[08:54] <Burgundavia> thanks
[08:54] <elkbuntu> can i ask you something about the stickers from sys76?
[08:54] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, go nuts, I've barely touched it
[08:58] <Burgundavia> sure
[08:58] <elkbuntu> have you actually received the stickers or has the shipping company drag toes with you too?
[08:58] <elkbuntu> http://www.dhl.com.au/publish/au/en/eshipping/track.high.html?pageToInclude=RESULTS&AWB=8915500764&type=fasttrack
[08:58] <Burgundavia> they arrived, but I wasn't able to pay them the $30
[08:58] <elkbuntu> o.O
[08:58] <elkbuntu> they wanted you to pay?!
[08:58] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, so where are the stickers now? Heading back to System76?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> you realize that I am sitting less than 200 miles from sys76?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> they are in Denver
[08:58] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: no, waiting at DHL until I get back
[08:58] <Madpilot> hmm... didn't you fly into Denver?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> yes, but I am spending no time
[08:58] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: have you contacted DHL and provided them the details they need?
[08:58] <Madpilot> arrange for someone from s76 to meet you at the airport
[08:58] <elkbuntu> the address thing only just showed up now
[09:30] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, btw, did you knwo about this?: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060918
[09:31] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: yes, i saw it
[09:32] <elkbuntu> i didnt until last night... its been the primary link-based traffic source for the surveys
[09:37] <Burgundavia> cool
[09:37] <Burgundavia> I don't think it made last weeks UWN
[09:37] <Burgundavia> please add it
[09:38] <elkbuntu> k
[10:19] <Burgundavia> "As Debian [3] experiments
[10:19] <Burgundavia> with funding, the author of DWN is going to experiment with spending
[10:19] <Burgundavia> less time on Debian. Please understand that due to this there may be
[10:19] <Burgundavia> no future issues of DWN in the current form or that they will only be
[10:19] <Burgundavia> released less frequently.
[10:19] <Burgundavia> "
[10:21] <elkbuntu> :|
[10:22] <elkbuntu> wow
[10:22] <Burgundavia> "Debian is experimenting while Dunc-Tank is officially outside of
[10:22] <Burgundavia> Debian. So it already failed to be seen as a separate entity."
[10:22] <Burgundavia> little bit of editorizing there
[10:22] <elkbuntu> heh
[10:26] <elkbuntu> sounds like the claws are out anyway
[10:42] <Madpilot> editorializing is good
[10:42] <Madpilot> or at least, amusing
[10:46] <elkbuntu> did anyone see any response from keybuk about this week's UWN?
[10:55] <klepas> good evening
[10:55] <klepas> or morning/afternoon as the case might be for everyone else :)
[10:55] <elkbuntu> :)
[10:56] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, random flying video - Boeing test footage, looks like, too bad about the soundtrack someone added... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOxo0s33sI&mode=related&search=
[10:58] <klepas> sound track is from the group Enigma
[11:05] <Madpilot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMPL8lcTq40&mode=related&search=   <-- much better music for airplane videos ;)
[11:09] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, lol. 'can i play with madness' would also rock, but for different reasons :)
[11:09] <Madpilot> heh
[11:10] <Madpilot> need to shut down, or I'll stay on YouTube watching airplane vids all night
[11:10] <Madpilot> later, all
[11:11] <elkbuntu> lol
[02:57] <poningru> Burgundavia: when is beta coming out?
[02:57] <poningru> 28th?
[02:59] <elkbuntu> yes, allegedly
[03:01] <poningru> sweet working on beta notes
[03:01] <poningru> how are ya elkbuntu?
[03:01] <elkbuntu> cool. im good thanks, you?
[03:02] <poningru> meh couple of exams coming up... so kinda jittery
[03:02] <elkbuntu> hehe
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> poningru, i feel for you mate
[03:02] <poningru> :)
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> perhaps :| is more apropriate though ;)
[03:03] <poningru> yeah ff rc1 was just released and our qa server went kablooie shortly afterward so that didnt help either
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> ff2?
[03:03] <poningru> poor zach
[03:03] <poningru> yeah
[03:05] <poningru> woah
[03:05] <poningru> uh... thats not normal at all
[03:05] <poningru> which sites?
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[03:05] <poningru> granted I am not using ubuntu one
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont remember - i'd have to go and try and crash it. iirc there was some really werid ones like novell.com
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> places i needed to visit ;)
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> BOOM!
[03:06] <poningru> oh hehe ... there is a particular site inside novell that takes the longest time to load... dont know if thats what you are talking about
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> novell.com still works
[03:06] <poningru> but no crash though
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> this is a good old fashioned 'omg wherse my browser gone' crash
[03:06] <poningru> ah thats weird
[03:07] <poningru> yeah please do tell me the sites
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> poningru, i cant remember off the top of  my head, they were just stragnly obvios (like novell)
[03:08] <poningru> .firefox? wtf
[03:08] <poningru> .mozilla
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> fine then
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was still closing ff. i hadnt got that far :P
[03:09] <poningru> ;)
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, cute. its my .mozilla dir.
[03:10] <poningru> hmm how old is your .mozilla?
[03:10] <poningru> like .8.x old?
[03:11] <poningru> cause thats the only way it should be crashing like that
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> um.
[03:11] <poningru> if its 1.0.x or later it shouldnt crash like that
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure if its a dapper or breezy upgraded, but defintely nothing before that
[03:11] <poningru> unless you have like crazy extensions
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think it was dapper
[03:11] <poningru> what extensions?
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> i had 2 or 3 extentions, disabled
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> um.
[03:12] <poningru> it should be under your extensions folder
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> en_gb lang pack and addblock spring to mind
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll check then
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> ~/.mozilla/plugins?
[03:14] <poningru> hmm
[03:14] <poningru> oh no
[03:14] <poningru> extensions
[03:14] <poningru> in the profiles folder
[03:15] <poningru> .mozilla/firefox/xxxxxxxxx.default/extensions
[03:16] <poningru> Kamping_Kaiser: hmm yeah the lang pack is the only thing I can think of...
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> poningru, i had web developer, adblock and the lang pack
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> looks like the lang pack was 'properly' installed, not done by me
[03:17] <poningru> hmm oh that must have been a locale build then
[03:17] <poningru> nm
[03:17] <poningru> weird... no clue why it would do that
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> i say properly, because its got stuff in /blah/lib/blah
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[03:18] <poningru> try this removing the userpref.js
[03:18] <poningru> store that somewhere else
[03:18] <poningru> you didnt actually rm -r your profile right?
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> moved it aside :)
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> ./firefox/9qwe2p9h.default/prefs.js <-? that one
[03:19] <poningru> err yeah
[03:19] <poningru> make sure you do this when ff is closed
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> that time novell loaded
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> that might not be using my profile though. *checks*
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> my profile crashes it with "The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error.", a clean .mozilla is happy
[03:23] <poningru> hmm
[03:23] <poningru> well yeah that is most likely it
[03:24] <poningru> flash is the culprit for almost all ff crashes on linux
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> wonder how its on in the first place :( i hate the stuff with a pasion
[03:24] <poningru> hehe yeah me too
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> moving prefs.js aside is irrevent. wonder if i should bother trying to debug this
[03:25] <poningru> naah remove flash
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont think its installed :(
[03:25] <poningru> oh
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> dpkg --get-selections |grep flash comes clean - anything else i can search for? :|
[03:26] <poningru> hold on
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[03:27] <poningru> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[03:27] <poningru> whats in there?
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> 12 lines - pastebin?
[03:27] <poningru> sure
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://pastebin.ca/184000
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> nice round number :)
[03:29] <poningru> ooh nice
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:29] <poningru> pastebin.mozilla.org ftw
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe.
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> i can remember the .ca one :)
[03:30] <poningru> Kamping_Kaiser: hmm yeah no flash
[03:30] <poningru> check the profiles plugins folder
[03:30] <poningru> .mozilla/firefox/9qwe2p9h.default/plugins
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> extentions, or plugins? i have an extentions, no plugins
[03:31] <poningru> hmm
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah. .mozila/plugins
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> ls ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> total 2.1M
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> -rwx-----x 1 kgoetz kgoetz  856 2004-05-20 14:34 flashplayer.xpt
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> -rwx-----x 1 kgoetz kgoetz 2.0M 2004-05-20 14:34 libflashplayer.so
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[03:31] <poningru> ah there it is
[03:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> evil evil!
[03:32] <poningru> delete away my friend
[03:32] <poningru> weird
[03:32] <poningru> hmm that placement of the plugins folder is weird
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> HA! HA! HA! that worked!
[03:33] <poningru> always flash
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> to think, i was so sure i had eradicated it from my comp :|
[03:34] <poningru> find / -name 'flash'
[03:34] <poningru> if I am doing that correctly
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> close enough :)
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser>  find / -name *flash* 2>/dev/null |wc -l :)
[03:36] <poningru> meh warning signs are meh
[03:36] <poningru> throw in a sudo for the warning signs... though not sure how sensible it is to run find under super user
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> locate would be anotehr option
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> looks fairly flash free :) yay.
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks mate :)
[03:43] <poningru> np
[03:48] <elkbuntu> poningru, how you going on the beta page?
[03:49] <poningru> I was just doing spell check
[03:50] <poningru> sorry
[05:58] <Warbo> Hi, anyone around?
[06:00] <elkbuntu> maybe :)
[06:01] <Warbo> cool, a reply
[06:01] <Warbo> I was just wondering if anyone had looked on the Ideas wiki page recently...
[06:01] <elkbuntu> uwn ideas?
[06:02] <Warbo> wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Ideas I think, I added one
[06:02] <Warbo> and joined the mailing list, but I've never been on one before...
[06:02] <elkbuntu> ah, right
[06:03] <elkbuntu> well.. it's quiet time all round atm
[06:03] <Warbo> seems that way
[06:03] <Warbo>  #ubuntu only has 900+ people in it :)
[06:03] <elkbuntu> i did see your mail, but i hadnt gotten around to replying
[06:04] <elkbuntu> heh 850+ of which are idle :)
[06:04] <Warbo> ah. I have been checking archives and stuff and it isn't in there, so I was wondering if I had the right way of doing it
[06:05] <elkbuntu> yeah. grassroots advocacy and viral marketing are areas where we should be focussing
[06:06] <elkbuntu> im not sure how much you knwo about what we've done, but i'll use ubuntucounter.org (my idea) and ubuntuvideo.com (johnlittle's idea) are some of the really cool things we've managed lately
[06:06] <Warbo> I just thought it was something that could be done right away, rather than the many high cost ideas I've seen floating around, but I can't really do it myself unless the few bits of infrastructure are in place
[06:06] <Warbo> I have a video on ubuntuvideo.com :)
[06:06] <elkbuntu> so do i :)
[06:07] <Warbo> I was going to make more, but my microphone port is screwed up
[06:07] <elkbuntu> bugger
[06:08] <Warbo> I might disconnect the front panel ports next time I need to reboot
[06:08] <elkbuntu> anyway, grass roots and viral stuff is the a really good way to get the word out these days
[06:09] <Warbo> I got even more enthusiasm today after attending my first "Basic Java and Problem Solving" computer lab session, since all it involved was making sure Java was installed and getting jEdit, but the PDF instruction file crashed Windows three times
[06:09] <elkbuntu> rofl
[06:09] <Warbo> and I have never used a CLI in XP before, and kept typing "ls"
[06:10] <Warbo> but that is a matter of preference :)
[06:10] <elkbuntu> hehe
[06:40] <jenda> I like Warbo's idea. I think it's been around before. The thing is one is never sure how it will work.
[06:40] <jenda> I guess it's _possible_ to try with a few CDs first.
[06:44] <jenda> bbl