| ajmitch | geser: universe security is primarily our responsibility | 12:10 |
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| LaserJock | I just don't know who | 12:10 |
| tseng | LaserJock: not really dude | 12:10 |
| tseng | its fast enough | 12:10 |
| tseng | better things to do | 12:10 |
| tseng | etc | 12:10 |
| minghua | I remember CVEs are tracked in a special place | 12:10 |
| LaserJock | well, I think Kamion and Keybuk have better things to do most of the time | 12:10 |
| tseng | http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ubuntu-cve/ | 12:10 |
| Q-FUNK | LaserJock: as I said a number of times: there's plenty of people with a good understanding of the arhcive and of what consttutes good packages. | 12:10 |
| Q-FUNK | same thign at debian | 12:11 |
| tseng | LaserJock: mark isnt going to pay someone just to man the archive | 12:11 |
| LaserJock | it's hard with this fast of a dev cycle when you have to wait weeks for things | 12:11 |
| tseng | LaserJock: and any person with such skills can do something more useful | 12:11 |
| LaserJock | tseng: I'm not talking paid | 12:11 |
| tseng | sigh | 12:11 |
| tseng | impossible | 12:11 |
| geser | ajmitch: i'm trying to rebuild php4 from debian unstable (for security fixes) but fails as it needs both libdb4.3-dev and libdb4.4-dev | 12:11 |
| LaserJock | tseng: I know what you mean | 12:11 |
| Q-FUNK | that only 1 or 2 new guys per decade get trusted enough to get the root they need to act is a whole other issue. | 12:11 |
| tseng | LaserJock: ask for a login to davis | 12:11 |
| tseng | LaserJock: good luck | 12:11 |
| LaserJock | that's what I'm saying | 12:11 |
| geser | ajmitch: have you an idea how to proceed? | 12:11 |
| LaserJock | tseng: what I'm saying is I'd like to see more time put into archive admin but I don't really see that happening | 12:12 |
| ajmitch | geser: no, I haven't touched php4, infinity may know when he's around tomorrow | 12:12 |
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| Q-FUNK | LaserJock: and it so happens thta kamion and keybouck indeed are better at less boring tasks, so why not have someone else e.g. not internested in reinventing sysvinit handle NEW? | 12:13 |
| tseng | LaserJock: we could also have an art team | 12:13 |
| tseng | LaserJock: yay fantasy land | 12:13 |
| Q-FUNK | there is an art team | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: like who? | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | I'm not seeing anybody | 12:13 |
| Q-FUNK | i was subscribed to the list until a few months ago | 12:13 |
| tseng | Q-FUNK: there is a group of people who think that brown gradients are art | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | anyway... | 12:14 |
| tseng | yeah sorry | 12:14 |
| Q-FUNK | people got tired of jdub and jane silber constantly butting in and calling the shots, despite not contributing anything artistic. | 12:14 |
| tseng | had to do it | 12:14 |
| LaserJock | it'd be nice if archive admin'ing was faster | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | but it' | 12:15 |
| lupine_85 | brown-- | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | it's not as bad as it used to be | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | and from my limited experience in Debian it's about on par | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | at least for NEW Ubuntu seems a bit faster | 12:15 |
| tseng | loads faster | 12:16 |
| Q-FUNK | i also used to subscribe to ubuntu-marketing. same issue. every time we were about to figure out a solution to something, jane silber butting in out of nowhere. | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | but debian doesn't have the sync thing | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | but right now most syncs take a couple days tops | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | I think | 12:16 |
| Q-FUNK | nope | 12:17 |
| Q-FUNK | at least not on my packages | 12:18 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, mine regularly take a week. | 12:18 |
| Q-FUNK | it indeed was worse back when one had to nag elmo, but I cannot say it got any better now. | 12:18 |
| crimsun | Q-FUNK: these are all valid points, and I wish you could have raised them at the TB meeting today (for which you applied for ubuntu-dev membership but didn't show) | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: oh really? | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | yeah, a week is tough when we're up against a freeze | 12:19 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah. | 12:19 |
| LaserJock | it's not bad if you are doing single packages | 12:19 |
| Q-FUNK | crimsun: I'll eventually show up :) I just cannot be everywhere at the same time. | 12:19 |
| crimsun | Q-FUNK: understood :) | 12:19 |
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| LaserJock | but when you have packages that depend on others ... | 12:19 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: congrats | 12:19 |
| Fujitsu | Like, my oldest one now is from a week ago. | 12:19 |
| Fujitsu | THanks crimsun :) | 12:19 |
| Fujitsu | And thanks for sending in an email : | 12:19 |
| Fujitsu | *:) | 12:19 |
| crimsun | np | 12:19 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, exactly, like gnome-chemistry-utils. | 12:20 |
| lotusleaf | I was using debmirror and went to sleep and woke up and it stopped midway, is there any way to continue where I left off without starting all over again? | 12:20 |
| Fujitsu | lotusleaf, just start it up again. | 12:20 |
| lotusleaf | Fujitsu: it won't remove directories or anything? | 12:20 |
| minghua | I think crimsun is right, we (MOTUs) should mention this on TB meeting | 12:21 |
| Fujitsu | No, unless they've been removed from Packages. | 12:21 |
| Q-FUNK | crimsun: I'm working on a project whose website just opened today (albeit with filler content, for now). | 12:21 |
| lotusleaf | Fujitsu: thanks! :) | 12:21 |
| Fujitsu | minghua, I agree too. | 12:21 |
| Fujitsu | lotusleaf, otherwise I'd not have a mirror, mine often fails. | 12:21 |
| minghua | (maybe too late for edgy though, but at least make sure this doesn't happen again before edgy+1 freeze) | 12:21 |
| lotusleaf | Fujitsu: whew, that's a relief to hear. ;) | 12:21 |
| Q-FUNK | crimsun: my blog on the debian planet says a bit about it. | 12:21 |
| crimsun | cbx33: congrats, too | 12:21 |
| Fujitsu | I do find it a little strange that two of the absolutely key developers are the ones spending the time doing syncs etc., when they can (and do) do better things. | 12:22 |
| crimsun | it seems to be a trust issue, which I can understand | 12:23 |
| Q-FUNK | keybuck's work on startup is a reason to rejoice. as to why he ends up doign what others withotu inspiratin to code but who can tella bad package from a good one ciuld do is beynd me. | 12:23 |
| minghua | Q-FUNK's blog entry sounds just like teasing to me :-) | 12:23 |
| Q-FUNK | ;) | 12:23 |
| crimsun | it was actually discussed either in #ubuntu-devel or at a TB meeting a while ago. There's soyuz work for a sync (LP) button iirc | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | I think that's the solution that they are waiting on | 12:24 |
| Q-FUNK | whne is soyuz going to orbit? | 12:24 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun, they mentioned in a TB meeting in January that that was coming `soon'. | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: good, that means by this Jan. it might happen ;-) | 12:24 |
| Q-FUNK | free software and (lack of) deadlines. *sigh* | 12:25 |
| Fujitsu | Q-FUNK, ah, but Soyuz isn't Free. | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | heh | 12:25 |
| Fujitsu | If it were, this would have been implemented months ago. | 12:25 |
| Fujitsu | As it'd be incredibly useful. | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | I doubt it | 12:25 |
| Q-FUNK | 12:25 | |
| LaserJock | I don't think this stuff would go that much faster as open source | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | but I could be totally wrong | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | have been in the past ;-) | 12:26 |
| Fujitsu | Having it open would allow much greater participation, I'd assume. | 12:26 |
| Fujitsu | But that's not going to happen. | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | assuming be want/would work on it | 12:26 |
| Q-FUNK | i mean, what is the point of motu team being called _master_ of the universe if we have to pss thru the keybuck/kamion bottleneck? | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | s/be/people/ | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: hahaha | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | well, we proposed a Universe archive admin team once | 12:27 |
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| Q-FUNK | what is it that the team masters, exactly? | 12:27 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, in the TB meeting in January, I believe. | 12:27 |
| Q-FUNK | and? | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: uploading, and screwing up peoples computers ;-) | 12:28 |
| Fujitsu | But that can't happen, 'cause they access the DB raw, so no permissions. | 12:28 |
| Q-FUNK | not acceptable to the lose canons that be? | 12:28 |
| LaserJock | I do think there's a trust issue | 12:28 |
| Q-FUNK | fix the db, not the process. how is that hard to get? | 12:28 |
| LaserJock | well placed or not | 12:28 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, there is certainly a trust issue. | 12:28 |
| LaserJock | well, the thing is they already have a solution planed (via LP) | 12:29 |
| Fujitsu | Q-FUNK, the web frontend hasn't been developed yet... It's coming `soon'. | 12:29 |
| cbx33 | thanks crimsun | 12:29 |
| Q-FUNK | that's why i said that it's similar to debian putting everythign in the hand of ganneff and elmo. bottleneck. | 12:29 |
| tseng | to address that, I was told the "trust issue" was data center policy | 12:29 |
| tseng | not sure if that is canonical DC policy or the DC itself | 12:29 |
| LaserJock | but again, who would be doing the admin'ing | 12:29 |
| tseng | but i know that the same DC has all of AOL's European equipment | 12:29 |
| tseng | and other high priority things | 12:29 |
| LaserJock | the same issue arises, I think | 12:29 |
| tseng | they are happy to give boxes outside that DC | 12:29 |
| tseng | like tiber | 12:30 |
| LaserJock | good people who know what they are doing are going to be developing | 12:30 |
| tseng | and boxes for LOCO teams | 12:30 |
| LaserJock | not admining | 12:30 |
| Q-FUNK | I would gladly admin. | 12:30 |
| Q-FUNK | I onyl got into packaging by accident. | 12:30 |
| Q-FUNK | and don't code at all. | 12:30 |
| Fujitsu | Anyhow, it needs to be brought up at the TB, as one-week delays in syncing a week before the freeze is really not good. | 12:31 |
| crimsun | it's really not as critical; exceptions for these bugfixes are normal | 12:31 |
| Q-FUNK | especially when the case is a debian maintianer who when thru the trouble f merging a fix onyl beneficial to the ubuntu side, imho. | 12:31 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: but it only matter like one or two weeks a release, which makes it difficult to be pursuasive | 12:31 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, true. | 12:32 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun, dependencies are also problems. | 12:32 |
| crimsun | surely. I imagine things will be a bit better after Thursday (beta). | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | except Universe Freeze is Thursday | 12:32 |
| Fujitsu | That's the problem, though. We're in freeze after beta. | 12:32 |
| crimsun | we have freeze exceptions, too | 12:33 |
| Fujitsu | Having UniverseFreeze and beta on the same day is silly. | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | that's the other thing too | 12:33 |
| crimsun | and bugfixes that are as critical as the one Q-FUNK mentioned go through | 12:33 |
| Q-FUNK | exception are had to come by, unless we fix an RC bug. | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | Dapper's freeze was hardly a freeze | 12:33 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, rather slushy? | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: heh, not in Universe | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: rather | 12:33 |
| Q-FUNK | I'm not even sure if mine qualifies as RC fix. it does solve a long-standing issue preventing cups-pdf from being usable on ubuntu, but that's about it. | 12:34 |
| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: I don't think it'll be a problem | 12:35 |
| crimsun | "not being usable" sounds critical to me | 12:35 |
| Fujitsu | I don't think having universe frozen and the beta released on the same day is a good idea, because in the time leading up to that date, the core-devs are busy doing that, which means little/no archive-adminning just before freeze. | 12:35 |
| Fujitsu | Which is right when it's needed most. | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 12:35 |
| minghua | isn't there some rule like "existent sync requests before freeze will be processed"? | 12:35 |
| Q-FUNK | since universe packages tend not t end up on the cd anyhow, why can't universe be a neverneding backport repository then? | 12:36 |
| Fujitsu | minghua, I'd bloody well hope so. | 12:36 |
| LaserJock | minghua: I really don't know | 12:36 |
| LaserJock | I know some of my stuff got dropped in Dapper's UVF | 12:36 |
| azeem | when exactly is the freeze? | 12:36 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: I agree that it would have been nice to shift it to a week before Beta (my original suggestion), but we'll have to live with it now | 12:36 |
| LaserJock | 28th | 12:36 |
| LaserJock | some time | 12:36 |
| azeem | heh, ok | 12:36 |
| Fujitsu | azeem, some time on the 28th, estimated by Mithrandir last night to be around 1400UTC. | 12:36 |
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| Fujitsu | crimsun, noted, but it needs to be looked at for Edgy+1. | 12:37 |
| Fujitsu | Speaking of Edgy+1, shouldn't the name be released at some point!? | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | I was at the edgy release schedule BOF a couple times | 12:37 |
| Q-FUNK | bleeding eft | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | I think UniverseFreeze was a little bit of an after thought ;-) | 12:38 |
| nictuku | can I expect that all packages installation and upgrades work fine non-interactively? | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: it always is | 12:38 |
| Fujitsu | nictuku, no. | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: generally up to us to decide | 12:38 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, LaserJock: That's not good... | 12:38 |
| LaserJock | not really | 12:38 |
| Q-FUNK | LaserJock: but why freeze something that doesn't end up on the cd in the first place? that part i really don't get. | 12:38 |
| lifeless | Q-FUNK: quality control | 12:38 |
| lifeless | Q-FUNK: the cd's are -not- why main freezes | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | look, my impression (this is only my opinion) is that mdz doesn't really care a whole lot of Universe is doing | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | hey lifeless | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | so we can more or less do what we want with it | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: he's quite easy-going with universe | 12:39 |
| azeem | lifeless: bummer about opensync-0.19 | 12:39 |
| lifeless | hi ajmitch | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | we did, IMO, have a fairly solid leadership structure | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | which we no longer have | 12:39 |
| Q-FUNK | lifeless: and yet universe truely is unsupported on ubuntu. might as well make it a perpetual backport then. | 12:39 |
| lifeless | azeem: about upstream sitting on arse for 6 months and not releasing ? | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | which has made these issues harder to deal with | 12:40 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: then we'll change that | 12:40 |
| azeem | lifeless: sort of, they're talking about releasing for a month now | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | we need some leadership to step up | 12:40 |
| azeem | or rather not talking | 12:40 |
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| Fujitsu | LaserJock, who used to lead? | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | dholbach and ogra | 12:40 |
| lifeless | azeem: yahuh. actually about 3 months abauer has been saying 'when the xyz branch is merged' | 12:40 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: fine, let's do it :) | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | when was the last time we had a MOTU meeting? | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | we used to have those all the time | 12:40 |
| azeem | lifeless: apparently things is sort of tagged or committed in svn | 12:41 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, not since Edgy opened, AFAIK. | 12:41 |
| azeem | s/is/are/ | 12:41 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I've got some lists of packages (unmet deps), I'll get some build logs from fabbione soon | 12:41 |
| Q-FUNK | actually, speaking og dholbach and ogra, why don't they get right s to process new/universe? | 12:41 |
| lifeless | azeem: thats a start, but wow a bit late. | 12:41 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: even the last revu day we had to prod people to get going | 12:41 |
| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: they are too busy doing dev work | 12:41 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: exactly | 12:41 |
| LaserJock | we are, IMO, a rudderless ship | 12:41 |
| Fujitsu | I think we need a meeting. | 12:42 |
| lifeless | LaserJock: so organise a meeting | 12:42 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, yes, all working independently. | 12:42 |
| Fujitsu | Some structure needs to be organised, I think. | 12:42 |
| LaserJock | we used to be more of a well-oiled machine | 12:42 |
| Q-FUNK | idea: since universe is not supported, assign all paid canonicals to only catter to main and leave absolute free reign over universe to motu team? | 12:42 |
| === ajmitch hasn't seen that many problems with how we've been going | ||
| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: that is more or less done with the exception of archive admin'ing | 12:42 |
| Q-FUNK | yet archive admin is the bottle neck. | 12:43 |
| Q-FUNK | back to # one | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | I don't think it is, honestly | 12:43 |
| Q-FUNK | keybuck and kamion should spot two unpaid peeps from motu and give them access. there. sorted. | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | it's *a* bottleneck, probably always will be | 12:44 |
| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: heh, easier said then done since they don't let other paid devs do that | 12:44 |
| LaserJock | It's an issue | 12:44 |
| LaserJock | and maybe we can solve it that way, that'd be up to the TB | 12:44 |
| Q-FUNK | the solution to this sounds similar to the enverending dilema is similar to debian and non-free packages: put it in a separate archive with its own team and own new queue. | 12:45 |
| minghua | I don't think archive-admin is the only bottleneck either | 12:45 |
| minghua | the thing is universe means completely different thing to different people | 12:45 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 12:45 |
| Q-FUNK | let's have a www.apt-universe.org | 12:46 |
| === minghua suspect that some people see lack of REVU reviewers as the biggest bottleneck | ||
| LaserJock | yes, that's a big one | 12:46 |
| LaserJock | I'd say our biggest bottleneck is the lack of MOTU hours | 12:46 |
| minghua | I also know the Chinese Xubuntu derivative has their own repo | 12:46 |
| LaserJock | either having more hours/MOTU or more MOTUs | 12:46 |
| Fujitsu | Well, in a month I'll have literally every hour of my time for 3 months, that'll hopefully do something. | 12:47 |
| LaserJock | anyway | 12:47 |
| minghua | they don't push their changes into ubuntu proper because (1) some changes are just dirty hacks (2) there are just fewer experts on Chinese-specific issues, and it's hard to explain | 12:47 |
| Q-FUNK | LaserJock: chicken and egg. again, a typical debian dilema. too huge distro to release in atimely fasion yet NM and especially DAM slowing the arial of more volunteers. | 12:47 |
| LaserJock | things maybe haven't been so bad, as ajmitch has suggested | 12:47 |
| minghua | I wonder what they see the bottleneck is | 12:48 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: where do you think the MOTU hours could be better spent then? | 12:48 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: not better spent hours, we just need more of them | 12:48 |
| LaserJock | the thing is, we have a huge amount of work to do | 12:48 |
| LaserJock | this isn't just about packaging | 12:48 |
| minghua | I agree with ajmitch that we are doing fine as is | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | minghua: without meetings, or organization? | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | leadership | 12:49 |
| minghua | however I wasn't really involved in the days of strong leadership | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | well, I though even dapper was better | 12:49 |
| minghua | LaserJock: leadership. meetings are still necessary, IMO | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | thought | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 12:49 |
| crimsun | can we at least agree on shifting away from bringing newer packages (syncs, merges) in unless they fix /critical/ bugs? | 12:50 |
| minghua | the problem is who to organize them | 12:50 |
| LaserJock | minghua: of course | 12:50 |
| LaserJock | I think one of the problems | 12:50 |
| LaserJock | is that MOTUs tend to get sucked into other things | 12:50 |
| crimsun | we're about a month away, so we really need to be concentrating on making things at least installable and runnable | 12:50 |
| Q-FUNK | we need people to sift thru new packages and syncs. | 12:50 |
| LaserJock | being a MOTU isn't neccessarily the stoping point | 12:50 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun, yeah. | 12:50 |
| Fujitsu | Q-FUNK, not at this point in the release cycle. | 12:51 |
| Q-FUNK | it's a question of dividing the workload. | 12:51 |
| minghua | crimsun: I agree with you, but I am not sure other users do, they just want their new/most up-to-date software | 12:51 |
| crimsun | minghua: they'll have edgy-backports | 12:51 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: certainly - I've not done as much on universe this time round | 12:51 |
| lifeless | mmmm | 12:51 |
| crimsun | "as much crack as possible!" | 12:51 |
| LaserJock | well, there is another issue here | 12:51 |
| lifeless | I think that its important to recognize that there are two groups of users of universe : | 12:51 |
| LaserJock | regarding merges/syncs | 12:51 |
| LaserJock | not all merges/syncs are created equal | 12:51 |
| Q-FUNK | LaserJock: being a motu helps, just as being a fully empowered DD at debian does. | 12:51 |
| lifeless | *) bleeding edge testers. These users want to track universe in the current development version. | 12:52 |
| lifeless | *) end users / corporates etc. These users want the universe that matches a release of main to be as stable as possible | 12:52 |
| LaserJock | what we don't have is any system (I don't think) to prioritize and organize merge/sync | 12:52 |
| LaserJock | so we just attack the whole thing | 12:52 |
| lifeless | universe is not 'supported' -> does not mean 'universe is unused' or 'universe should be unstable' | 12:52 |
| crimsun | lifeless: agreed. I think we need to shoot for the latter, since edgy-backports should open after freeze, and at least core-dev can upload to it directly. | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | apt-cache -i unmet |grep Package |wc -l | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | 213 | 12:53 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, a MoM-type thing with a feature like that would be nice. | 12:53 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: let's attack that wiki-style | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: we used to have that | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: that got painful real fast | 12:53 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, why don't we any more? | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | wiki has been slow lately | 12:54 |
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| crimsun | ajmitch: true, better suggestion? | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: nobody organized it/got it going | 12:54 |
| Q-FUNK | lifeless: then again, several years of helping users on #debian @ircnet shows that users do want the latest of $favorite_desktop_app without aving to upgrade everything. | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: revive the old merge tracker on tiber? | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | I loved the merge tracker on tiber | 12:54 |
| lifeless | Q-FUNK: indeed they do, and backports is the route we offer to do that. | 12:54 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: sounds feasible | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | much better than the current MoM | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | something I can tackle tonight | 12:54 |
| Fujitsu | Why'd we move off the tiber one? | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: nobody got it going again | 12:55 |
| Q-FUNK | lifeless: so it sounds t me that we need two universes: backports and moving target. | 12:55 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: because it required more manual work to setup & keep in cync | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | s/cync/sync/ | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | *read* lack of leadership, organization, time | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | it was offered when edgy opened | 12:55 |
| Q-FUNK | lifeless: what you describe is what I would call, in debian terms, unstable and backports. | 12:56 |
| lifeless | Q-FUNK: I was trying to show that there are different populations of users. some users want different things | 12:56 |
| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: or what we have now, universe and -backports ;-) | 12:56 |
| lifeless | our role is to try to strike a balance between the huge space of requests and what we can deliver | 12:57 |
| minghua | I am really not sure about the quality of ubuntu's -backports | 12:57 |
| Q-FUNK | hm.. how hard would it be to have a builder infra that can turn universe into a perpetual universe/backports? | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | minghua: well, that's an issue in itself | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: why would be want to do that? | 12:57 |
| minghua | it seems the backports admins also lacks man power to check the package carefully | 12:58 |
| Q-FUNK | as in e.g. gnome packages within minro releeases subsequent to whatever made it to the last ubuntu being always backported. | 12:58 |
| minghua | and my understanding is that ubuntu's -backports doesn't work like debian's backports.org | 12:58 |
| minghua | i.e., you don't have choice between packages, you either stay at dapper or upgrade everything to dapper-backports | 12:59 |
| Q-FUNK | at debian, releases take too long to do it, but at ubuntu, it would be easy to have e.g. gnome 2.14.x always straight to backports | 12:59 |
| Q-FUNK | ..until edgy is released, at which point backports offers the latests 2.16.x | 01:00 |
| azeem | Q-FUNK: gnome is in main, not universe | 01:00 |
| Q-FUNK | azeem: hence why i said that we need two backports repo too. | 01:00 |
| minghua | Q-FUNK's words actually raises a question: what will happen to dapper-backports once edgy is released? | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | Ubuntu's got main restricted universe multiverse -security -updates -backports -proposed | 01:01 |
| Q-FUNK | azeem: remember when bruce perens prosed hosting contrib and non-free completely outside debian servers? | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | I think we have enough repos | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | we just need to do the work | 01:01 |
| Q-FUNK | we need to be empowered to do the work | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | minghua: people can still upload to dapper-backports | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | probably until it's done being supported | 01:02 |
| minghua | LaserJock: who can upload to -backports right now? my understanding is only core-devs? | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | core-devs and backports team? | 01:02 |
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| LaserJock | still MOTUs | 01:03 |
| minghua | LaserJock: I only see backport team requesting sync-like backports, not uploading | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | +1 ;-) | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | minghua: right, I think that might go into effect for edgy's backports or something | 01:04 |
| Q-FUNK | yikes! 2am. | 01:04 |
| minghua | anyway, as none here is involved in backports (and they don't seem to have a channel here), not much point to discuss too much | 01:04 |
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| Q-FUNK | 'night y'all! | 01:04 |
| minghua | night, Q-FUNK | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | minghua: they are MOTUs | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | minghua: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-backporters | 01:05 |
| minghua | oh, I didn't know crimsun is in backporter team | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | yep | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | he does a lot | 01:07 |
| nixternal | he is in everything and everywhere | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | waayy to much to be healthy I think ;-) | 01:07 |
| nixternal | i agree | 01:08 |
| nixternal | never seen anyone whose shrink fired them... | 01:08 |
| nixternal | anywho, im grabbin' pizza, who's in? | 01:08 |
| nixternal | bbiaf ;) | 01:08 |
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| Fujitsu | azeem, ping. | 01:20 |
| azeem | pong | 01:20 |
| Fujitsu | Note that you can specify /distros/ubuntu/sourcepackage when you're filing a bug by email, so you don't have to do it manually. | 01:21 |
| azeem | right, I figured that out now | 01:21 |
| azeem | the first two I filed weren't in Ubuntu, and used them as template for the others, so :) | 01:22 |
| pygi | night | 01:22 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, OK. | 01:22 |
| Fujitsu | 'night, pygi. | 01:23 |
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| LaserJock | Fujitsu: do you use email a lot for bugs? | 01:27 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, yes. | 01:28 |
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| LaserJock | Fujitsu: hmm, I'll have to have you show me some time | 01:28 |
| Fujitsu | UsingMaloneEmail on help.launchpad.net describes a bit, I believe. | 01:28 |
| nictuku | what do you think of "widy" for the name of a software? | 01:31 |
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| Fujitsu | LaserJock, did Debian tasks always appear as seperate bugs, up the top of subscribed bug listings? I don't remember those being at the top of MOTU Science's list before... | 01:33 |
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| lotusleaf | I never realised how big the universe was | 02:01 |
| LaserJock | heh, really? | 02:05 |
| lotusleaf | yup | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | it's everything in Debian - Main | 02:05 |
| lotusleaf | it's mighty big! | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | and then you think of how many people are working on it | 02:10 |
| lupine_85 | heh | 02:11 |
| minghua | oh, no, not this stupid compression format discussion again | 02:13 |
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| keescook | anyone familiar with the buildds around? | 02:25 |
| keescook | oh, good. I'm not going crazy. the version prior to my upload didn't build on sparc or ppc either. | 02:27 |
| LaserJock | keescook: what do you need? | 02:31 |
| keescook | LaserJock: crimsun uploaded a crash-fix for "abuse-sdl" that I made, and today I saw that the builds on sparc/ppc failed. (my change was trivial) | 02:32 |
| keescook | but I see that the build on the version prior failed also | 02:32 |
| keescook | not mine: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/abuse-sdl/1:0.7.0-4ubuntu1 | 02:32 |
| keescook | mine: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/abuse-sdl/1:0.7.0-4ubuntu2 | 02:32 |
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| crimsun | to note, the latest patch hasn't been integrated yet | 02:33 |
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| keescook | crimsun: yup, that's fine. | 02:37 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 02:38 |
| keescook | what's the normal situation when a package doesn't build across all archs? (i.e. should a bug have been opened against 1:0.7.0-4ubuntu1?) | 02:38 |
| keescook | hiya bddebian | 02:38 |
| bddebian | Hello keescook | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 02:40 |
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| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 02:40 |
| bddebian | Hi Hobbsee | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | hola Hobbsee | 02:40 |
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| Hobbsee | hey bddebian, LaserJock | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | hmm, maybe I've been doing to much computer work | 02:43 |
| LaserJock | my boss just asked me if I had pink eye | 02:44 |
| bddebian | Doh | 02:44 |
| zul | LaserJock: you been reading the forums again havent you? :) | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | nope just irssi and mutt | 02:45 |
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| LaserJock | anybody know what shift does? | 03:31 |
| LaserJock | it's in a shell script | 03:31 |
| tseng | http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/mansec?1+shift | 03:32 |
| tseng | its a built-in | 03:32 |
| tseng | you can find it in man bash as well | 03:33 |
| LaserJock | ah, I was doing man push without luck | 03:33 |
| minghua | LaserJock: help shift (in bash shell) | 03:34 |
| LaserJock | thanks | 03:34 |
| minghua | bascially it manipulates command line arguments | 03:34 |
| minghua | and tseng is right, bash(1) man page has more information | 03:35 |
| minghua | it's just that bash's man page is a bit daunting | 03:36 |
| tseng | /shift works | 03:36 |
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| zul | happy joy joy.. | 04:31 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:35 |
| Hobbsee | what's up, zul? | 04:35 |
| zul | not much | 04:37 |
| zul | ummm...who will be handling uvf requests for universe? ;) | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | slomo,siretart,dholbach | 04:44 |
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| Toadstool | re | 04:47 |
| bddebian | wb Toadstool | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | hi | 04:47 |
| Toadstool | hey ajmitch, bddebian | 04:47 |
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| crimsun | theCore: please provide a URL to the 1.15 orig.tar.gz for #62416 | 05:07 |
| crimsun | theCore: sorry | 05:07 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: please provide a URL to the 1.15 orig.tar.gz for #62416 | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | bug 62416 | 05:08 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 62416 in espeak "espeak: Request review/upload of new package." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62416 | 05:08 |
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| imbrandon | ugh | 05:30 |
| lupine_85 | ? | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | something has totaly bored my ibook | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | borked* | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | on thsi last update | 05:30 |
| lupine_85 | new kernel? | 05:31 |
| imbrandon | i'm not sure what it is tbh , still trying to debug , but its kinda hard without a keyboard | 05:31 |
| imbrandon | well my keyboard dont work in X anymore, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg dosent show the debconf screen , eg it all go's black | 05:32 |
| imbrandon | grrr | 05:32 |
| imbrandon | ouch infact on reboot kdm dont even start | 05:32 |
| imbrandon | ...... | 05:32 |
| imbrandon | ok fixed, yay \o/ for manual hacking of trhe xorg.conf | 05:35 |
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| LaserJock | hola Fujitsu | 05:42 |
| Fujitsu | Hey LaserJock. | 05:43 |
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| imbrandon | oh wow LaserJock check this http://www.intel.com/research/dpr.htm | 05:45 |
| imbrandon | now thats incredable, too bad i will be an old man before its mainstream | 05:45 |
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| superm1 | Brandon, I uploaded a fix for both the mythtv and mythplugins package a little bit ago. if you have a moment | 05:50 |
| imbrandon | superm1, sure. i'll look here in a sec | 05:51 |
| superm1 | ok | 05:51 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, you busy ? | 06:10 |
| ajmitch | I didn't do it! | 06:10 |
| imbrandon | hahaha | 06:10 |
| ajmitch | oh, sorry | 06:10 |
| ajmitch | yes, imbrandon? | 06:10 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 06:10 |
| imbrandon | can you eyeball superm1's merge of mythplugins with me, there are alot of changes and i dont wanna miss anything this close to freeze | 06:11 |
| imbrandon | if you have the time | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | in ~6 hours, maybe | 06:11 |
| imbrandon | i'm looking it over now too ( i dident run revu-tools on it just doing it localy ) | 06:11 |
| imbrandon | ok | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | I'm not really available for anything indepth right now | 06:11 |
| superm1 | imbrandon, my only worry with it was if I still missed some files like you had mentioned. I found two xml files that weren't getting added | 06:12 |
| superm1 | but beyond that I didn't see anything missed | 06:12 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch, ok no worries when you have time | 06:12 |
| imbrandon | superm1, cool, yea i just have to check this really well as there are alot of changes from 0.18 to 0.20 | 06:12 |
| imbrandon | ( mostly becouse of the ubuntu deltas from before ) | 06:13 |
| superm1 | makes sense. I figure at this point, its better to get the version in at least by the freeze, and if something is missing, make a minor version bump right by freeze time | 06:13 |
| imbrandon | the mythtv looks ok though, i'll upload that after bit | 06:13 |
| superm1 | k | 06:13 |
| superm1 | k good | 06:14 |
| superm1 | and I think I finally understand how to increment versions :) | 06:14 |
| imbrandon | heh yea dont increment them every time when you upload to revu | 06:14 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:14 |
| imbrandon | i ment to explain that to you better when i had time | 06:14 |
| superm1 | yea I've been gone for a bit, forgot to leave IRC when I left town too | 06:15 |
| superm1 | if you tried to ping me this weekend | 06:15 |
| imbrandon | basicly it boils down to <package>_<upstream_version>-<debianvr_reversion><ubuntu_revision> | 06:16 |
| imbrandon | and we only change the ubuntu ones | 06:16 |
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| imbrandon | before you bumped the debian 0.2 to 3 | 06:16 |
| imbrandon | so like a debian package of blah_1.0-1 would end up blah_1.0-1ubuntu1 then blah_1.0-1ubuntu2 etc | 06:17 |
| superm1 | now what about those cases that you are syncing from a repo like debian-multimedia, and they make a few small changes, and bump the debian version, but you already backported those changes? | 06:17 |
| superm1 | should you still only bump ubuntu version? | 06:17 |
| imbrandon | syncs dont get version bumps, merges do | 06:17 |
| imbrandon | and i think you mean a merge | 06:18 |
| superm1 | yes I do | 06:18 |
| Fujitsu_ | I like it how Linux XChat is still better than the Windows version, even running through Cygwin/X :) | 06:18 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu lol | 06:18 |
| imbrandon | superm1, like umm.... ok give me an example | 06:18 |
| imbrandon | oh ok .... | 06:18 |
| superm1 | well in the mythplugins package. I had fixed some mythweb packaging related things that marillat didn't have right. he fixed it in a later version of his, but I already had it covered | 06:19 |
| superm1 | so should I have adopted his new version number for the debian version? | 06:19 |
| imbrandon | so you mean if we have blah_1.0-1ubuntu3 and it has changes , then debian makes blah_1.0-2 and incorperates those changes ? | 06:19 |
| superm1 | right | 06:20 |
| imbrandon | then we just sync , overiding our changes and blah_1.0-2 gos into the archive | 06:20 |
| imbrandon | assuming everething was covered, if they only incorperated part of it then we | 06:20 |
| superm1 | have to put our patches back on | 06:21 |
| superm1 | that are missed, irght? | 06:21 |
| imbrandon | make blah_1.0-2ubuntu1 with the remaining changes | 06:21 |
| Fujitsu | Then we merge, and keep the delta. Yay, more Ubuntu delta. What fun. | 06:21 |
| imbrandon | superm1, right | 06:21 |
| superm1 | okay that makes a lot more sense then. | 06:21 |
| imbrandon | yea the versioning can be hell if you dont understand it , but once you catch on its easy ( assuming everyone plays by the rules ) | 06:22 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, which they often don't, although it's generally a mistake. | 06:22 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: congratulations - uploaded all your new merges yet? | 06:22 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, yea ;) yay for epocs | 06:23 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, thanks :) | 06:23 |
| Fujitsu | 4 or so, I think. | 06:23 |
| superm1 | well and it clearly starts to become a bit messy if the maintainer doesn't watch closely at what changes between upstream patches and their own | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | oh yea Fujitsu congrats man ;) | 06:23 |
| Fujitsu | superm1, they have to, or things explode :) | 06:23 |
| Fujitsu | Oh yes, that reminds me... | 06:23 |
| crimsun | I look forward to not having to ACK every single thing coming through u-u-s | 06:23 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, Hobbsee says you have a machine that you let MOTUs build on... | 06:23 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: *grin* | 06:23 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: yeah | 06:23 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah, thanks for all the sponsorships in the past, crimsun :) They're much appreciated. | 06:24 |
| crimsun | np | 06:24 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, yea select friends, not nessesarly MOTU's ;) want access ? | 06:24 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, if you want to give it to me, yes please :) | 06:24 |
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| ajmitch | imbrandon: I'm not your friend? :) | 06:24 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, sure, give me a littlebit to finish up some stuff | 06:24 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, haha you never asked for access ;) | 06:24 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, take your time, I'm in no big rush. | 06:25 |
| Hobbsee | he doesnt need access :P | 06:25 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: probably since I have a fast box anyway - just no ppc to build on | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | yea i need to get a ppc box setup , i promised Seveas i would set one up for him | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, you want a x86 account or x86_64 ? | 06:26 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: if you or anyone can provide one for MOTUs to build on, it'd be great | 06:26 |
| ajmitch | I have x86 & amd64 already at home | 06:26 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, good question... | 06:26 |
| crimsun | ppc would be most appreciated. | 06:26 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch, yea i will likely open up a "small" build farm shortly for motu's once i find a good way to secure it so its semi automated accounts with ubuntu-dev access etc | 06:26 |
| Fujitsu | I've got an OKish x86, so I might grab x86_64, if you please. | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, ok | 06:27 |
| ajmitch | I've opened my amd64 box up to others in the past if they need access | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | i just picked up 2 ppc 400mhz boxes with 256mb ram i plan to do it with, and i have 2 vm's on the amd64 ( that only Seveas takes advantage of atm ) | 06:28 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: xen ftw | 06:28 |
| imbrandon | yea i'd like to find a way to make the accounts semi automated etc | 06:28 |
| imbrandon | yea the amd64 is a a xen setup , it WAS vmware | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | there's a 400MHz ppc at home, with 512MB RAM | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | but it gets used for OSX all the time | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | so I can't reboot it for building | 06:29 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, :( | 06:29 |
| imbrandon | heh i got these from a guy at the lug for 25$ each | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | yeah, this is ex-university | 06:29 |
| imbrandon | they dident have monitors or hdd's but i threw a cheap 20 gig in each , probably will ahve to up that if i give semi-public access | 06:30 |
| imbrandon | but headless should be fine | 06:30 |
| ajmitch | headless is preferable | 06:31 |
| ajmitch | less things to go wrong :) | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | superm1, one thing i did notice ( havent looked 100% is your changelog entries are past 80 chars long ) not a big deal, just fyi | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, exactly | 06:32 |
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| imbrandon | hahaha | 06:32 |
| superm1 | so they should be less then 80 chars most the time then? | 06:32 |
| Fujitsu | superm1, which? | 06:32 |
| imbrandon | yea just wrap them to the next line if needed with 4 spaces indent | 06:32 |
| superm1 | changelog entries | 06:32 |
| superm1 | k | 06:33 |
| imbrandon | like i said not a real big deal but its nice for those on 80x25 | 06:33 |
| superm1 | I work off a 1600x1200 display on my thinkpad, so I'm used to long lines for things in nano :) | 06:33 |
| === imbrandon uses a high res also , but not everyone can or does ;) | ||
| superm1 | hehe | 06:34 |
| === ajmitch uses high-res, but doesn't maximise all the windows | ||
| imbrandon | yea thats why i use a high res is to get more windows on the screen(s) at once | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | not nessessarly more from each window | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | i want to konw how some do those consoles ON the desktop like i see in some screenshots | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | like as if the console was the wallpaper | 06:36 |
| superm1 | well you can run some apps as a root window | 06:36 |
| superm1 | xscreensaver comes to mind | 06:36 |
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| imbrandon | that would just rock for irssi | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, hahaha | 06:37 |
| superm1 | I think I actually did that once just to show someone what it was like to have a cool screensaver as a background in fluxbox once, and then never used it again | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | yea i did the screensaver thing when i tried xgl | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | but never used it past that | 06:38 |
| superm1 | well if you really wanted to just have a terminal on bottom, you probably could hack together a devilspie script to guarantee its always below other windows and it doesn't show up in the task list | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 06:40 |
| jldugger | there's no "always on bottom" option? ;) | 06:41 |
| imbrandon | heya jldugger fancy seeing you here ;) | 06:42 |
| jldugger | hey | 06:42 |
| jldugger | im digging down into my laptop | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | cool | 06:42 |
| jldugger | and nobody on #ubuntu-laptop is alive | 06:42 |
| jldugger | so how high up on the motu totem pole are you, that people are asking you to look at their packages? ;) | 06:43 |
| imbrandon | heya i was gonan ask the guys too ( next meeting i made it to ) about a ubuntu loco team for us, i kinda been piecing togather the stuff for it | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | jldugger: he's *beyond* motu | 06:43 |
| imbrandon | jldugger, i'm core-dev now ;) past motu per se lol | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | we all sit at his feet & bask in his wisdom now | 06:44 |
| crimsun | (no, MOTU with main privs) | 06:44 |
| jldugger | does that mean you work for canonical, or just motu with MOAR POWAR? | 06:44 |
| lifeless | all haill imbrandon | 06:44 |
| imbrandon | hahahah ajmitch /me baskes in ajmitch and crimsun's dietyness | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | teach me, oh wise one | 06:44 |
| lifeless | jldugger: working for canonical and being core-dev/moru are orthogonal | 06:44 |
| crimsun | no, I'm basking in bddebian's and LaserJock's | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | bah | 06:44 |
| imbrandon | jldugger, MOTU with "moar powar" hehe | 06:44 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: the deity & raging MOTU-holic? | 06:45 |
| crimsun | aye | 06:45 |
| imbrandon | basicly instead of breaking 50% of peoples systems i can brake them all | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | lol | 06:45 |
| ajmitch | lifeless: are you doing more QA stuff yet? | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | and in mor interesting ways | 06:45 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, yea ;) | 06:45 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: some | 06:46 |
| === ajmitch has plans to break upstart | ||
| ajmitch | but don't let keybuk hear that | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | jldugger, havin laptop probs ? | 06:47 |
| jldugger | more like tablet problems | 06:48 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 06:48 |
| jldugger | its so wierd | 06:48 |
| jldugger | when i convert it to tablet mode | 06:48 |
| jldugger | nothing happens | 06:48 |
| jldugger | not even an acpi event goes into the log | 06:48 |
| jldugger | i open it back up and i get one | 06:48 |
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| imbrandon | oh wow, sounds harwareish | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | erm | 06:49 |
| jldugger | i can close the lid the regular way | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | that is strange | 06:49 |
| jldugger | does whatever you set it up to | 06:49 |
| jldugger | i was really hoping i could hack up lid.sh, but the events never come in | 06:50 |
| imbrandon | yea | 06:50 |
| jldugger | i wonder how windows does it | 06:50 |
| imbrandon | does it do anything else like a keyevent or ANYTHING ? | 06:51 |
| jldugger | i forgot how to check keyevern | 06:51 |
| jldugger | event | 06:51 |
| jldugger | but i got nvidia binary drivers to suspend | 06:51 |
| imbrandon | heh lucky | 06:52 |
| jldugger | just followed the directions | 06:52 |
| jldugger | on the wiki | 06:52 |
| jldugger | err | 06:52 |
| jldugger | hibernate | 06:52 |
| jldugger | not suspend | 06:52 |
| jldugger | suspend is a pile of poo anyways | 06:52 |
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| imbrandon | run xev and see if it outputs anything when you | 06:52 |
| imbrandon | goto tablet mode by some weird chance | 06:52 |
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| jldugger | nothing on xev that i can tell | 06:54 |
| imbrandon | hum | 06:54 |
| jldugger | what i was hoping to do was tie the conversion to a xrandr | 06:55 |
| imbrandon | and rotate the screen ? | 06:55 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:55 |
| jldugger | pretty important unless you want to draw upside down | 06:56 |
| imbrandon | true | 06:56 |
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| imbrandon | with all the "new crack" alien posts about xen and oo.o i'm suprised no one has tried a 2.8 kernel | 06:59 |
| === LaserJock obviously doesn't know how to make shell scripts | ||
| ajmitch | imbrandon: 2.8? | 07:00 |
| imbrandon | erm 2.7 working branch stuff | 07:00 |
| jldugger | what? | 07:00 |
| ajmitch | there is a 2.7 branch? | 07:00 |
| jldugger | this is news | 07:00 |
| imbrandon | should be , i thought | 07:00 |
| ajmitch | nope | 07:01 |
| ajmitch | they don't work that way anymore | 07:01 |
| imbrandon | well that would be why there is no new crack stuff | 07:01 |
| imbrandon | ahh shows how much i follow the kernel dev | 07:01 |
| jldugger | there is | 07:01 |
| jldugger | tickless kernel | 07:01 |
| jldugger | they just use like -mm branch now | 07:02 |
| imbrandon | ah so its not an odd even thing anymore? lol | 07:02 |
| imbrandon | its been a while since i touched kernel source | 07:02 |
| === imbrandon waits for LaserJock to have another gentoo flashback | ||
| jldugger | kerneltrap had a excerpt from lkml about how to proceed | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: sorry, fighting with a simple shell script | 07:03 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:03 |
| jldugger | http://kerneltrap.org/node/7164 | 07:03 |
| imbrandon | ahh i have no desire to , was just a passing thought | 07:03 |
| imbrandon | i try not to rool my own unless there is an ABSOLUTE need to | 07:04 |
| imbrandon | s/rool/roll/ | 07:04 |
| jldugger | its still fun to read kernel trap and see what's going on | 07:04 |
| imbrandon | i leave that to the deities like zul and such | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | grrr, I'm really trying not to use python | 07:06 |
| jldugger | man, i hope all these people automatically subscribed to my wiki page don't mind all these edits to it | 07:09 |
| imbrandon | most of the time they filter on words/pages and are subscribed to them all but on that note you can tick the box that says "trivial change" and it wont email anyone | 07:10 |
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| jldugger | the other thing i'll probably have to file / find bugs about is using the pen as a mouse | 07:14 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 07:15 |
| jldugger | cuz theres no way i can hack that up on my own | 07:15 |
| jldugger | but getting the wiki page done and nvida+suspend is a good nights work | 07:15 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 07:15 |
| jldugger | i guess to bring this closer to motu topic, what's the policy on open source software written in a language that doesn't have an open source compiler yet? | 07:16 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: how do i list all the current process along with their pid's other than top | 07:16 |
| jldugger | ps aux | 07:16 |
| imbrandon | jldugger, i'm looking at getting ubuntu-kc loco team togather to for all us ubuntu peeps from kclug ( and some from ks too htat arent in kclug have already contacted me ) | 07:17 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx, ps ax | 07:17 |
| imbrandon | or ps aux | 07:17 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:17 |
| jldugger | or just dig through /proc ;) | 07:17 |
| imbrandon | jldugger, well it would be kinda hard to bootstrap i source package into the archive without a compiler | 07:18 |
| jldugger | imbrandon, interesting, but are there many ubuntu-kc people? | 07:18 |
| imbrandon | jldugger, 3 of us so far, but i havent asked the lug yet | 07:18 |
| jldugger | i wonder if i count as KC | 07:18 |
| jldugger | its like a 2 hour drive from here | 07:18 |
| imbrandon | i kinda wanted to make it a subset of the current kclug incorerating other people that arent part of the lug ( nor wanna be ) | 07:19 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 07:19 |
| imbrandon | crweb is in IL lol | 07:19 |
| jldugger | yes | 07:20 |
| jldugger | and you're counting him? | 07:20 |
| imbrandon | soo i think 2 hours is ok ;) | 07:20 |
| imbrandon | no | 07:20 |
| imbrandon | i meant he is part of kclug and in IL | 07:20 |
| jldugger | i have no idea why he's in kclug | 07:20 |
| imbrandon | lol me either, i think he is lonely most of the time, and thats not a bad thing, he seems harmless | 07:21 |
| imbrandon | and jbroudhard is in st joe ( 1 hour away ) soooo , maybe ubuntu-midwest ;) | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: can I come? ;-) | 07:21 |
| jldugger | heh | 07:22 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:22 |
| jldugger | cowboyntu | 07:22 |
| imbrandon | hahahaha | 07:22 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, well that would make it ubuntu-usa | 07:22 |
| imbrandon | sides LaserJocki think the colorado loco team is closer to you ;) | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | there's a Utah one | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | and a California one too | 07:23 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, you been makin it to the rlug's ? | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | I made 1 | 07:23 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | then missed 2 I think | 07:23 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | they keep doing them on bad days | 07:24 |
| imbrandon | yea that was my problem when i was in reno | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | I was in Mt. View giving a presentation at Ubucon for one | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | so I don't feel bad | 07:24 |
| imbrandon | the problem i have in KC is its WAY down town | 07:24 |
| imbrandon | and normaly i dont have a ride ( as i dont drive ) | 07:24 |
| imbrandon | soooo | 07:24 |
| lotusleaf | cars are evil | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | I drive everywhere | 07:25 |
| imbrandon | heh my last one was, well it got me lots of speeding tickets | 07:25 |
| imbrandon | so i sold it and got a motorcycle, but that dosent work well in KC, did in NV | 07:25 |
| imbrandon | KC weather is too unpredictable | 07:25 |
| lotusleaf | if you slide an F in between the K and C it's lunch | 07:26 |
| imbrandon | ( plus my lic is revolked atm for speeding ) | 07:26 |
| imbrandon | soooo | 07:26 |
| imbrandon | shhh dont tell anyone ;) | 07:26 |
| imbrandon | jldugger, going for membership ? or just keeping your wiki updated ? | 07:27 |
| ajmitch | alright.. | 07:34 |
| === ajmitch needs a drink now | ||
| === lotusleaf hands ajmitch whipped guacamole, chilled, with habanero juice | ||
| ajmitch | I'll pass on that thanks | 07:35 |
| === lotusleaf flaps arms in feather suit | ||
| ajmitch | strange.. | 07:35 |
| lotusleaf | ajmitch: like Jim Morrison said, people are strange | 07:36 |
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| imbrandon | hum the more i look at this , this might work out good | 07:50 |
| imbrandon | ( building a MOTU farm ) | 07:50 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: just teach them about debsign -r | 07:51 |
| imbrandon | oh definately | 07:51 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 07:51 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: oh, that's cool | 07:52 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: indeed :) | 07:52 |
| imbrandon | i'm wondering how much of it will be incorperated into personal repos on LP though | 07:52 |
| imbrandon | when/if that ever comes to be | 07:52 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: nearly all of that, and REVU functionality as well | 07:53 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: yes, it's good not having your key on other people's computers, isn't it? ;) | 07:53 |
| imbrandon | i liked the idea of sf.net build farms and suse build farms | 07:54 |
| imbrandon | seems alot of compnies are doing it | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | :P at ajmitch | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | just wait till i see you next... | 07:55 |
| ajmitch | and what will you do? :) | 07:55 |
| imbrandon | tickle you with a pointy stick | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch knows perfectly well what i'll do to him | 07:59 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: i dont need to use my stick. i can just tickle him so that he glares at me :P | 07:59 |
| ajmitch | stamp her foot & put hands on hips with an angry glare? ;) | 07:59 |
| imbrandon | lol | 07:59 |
| Hobbsee | no, and i dont think you ever saw that | 08:00 |
| === Hobbsee lunches | ||
| ajmitch | lunch? it's 4pm! | 08:00 |
| Hobbsee | and? | 08:00 |
| ajmitch | slacker | 08:01 |
| jldugger | imbrandon, i donno. at the moment, i figure i'll move up the tree as I need to. there's plenty one can do without being approved | 08:05 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:05 |
| imbrandon | oh jez, suse makes the deb but provides the source in an rpm | 08:05 |
| imbrandon | *rolls eyes* | 08:05 |
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| === minghua wonders if SUSE's debs are made by dpkg or not | ||
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| lfittl | morning | 08:08 |
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| imbrandon | heya lfittl | 08:08 |
| lfittl | hey imbrandon | 08:08 |
| imbrandon | minghua, http://software.opensuse.org/download/openSUSE:/Tools/xUbuntu_6.06/ | 08:08 |
| imbrandon | thats what i was talking about ^^ | 08:09 |
| siretart | LaserJock: ajmitch: right, I've now moved in, and now I'm around way more often. I'm not that active in this channel, but I'm available | 08:11 |
| ajmitch | hey siretart | 08:11 |
| LaserJock | siretart: hi! | 08:11 |
| imbrandon | heya siretart | 08:11 |
| siretart | there is a deadline for a scientific paper this friday, this has priority, but I'm here | 08:11 |
| siretart | huhu ajmitch, LaserJock, morning imbrandon | 08:11 |
| ajmitch | siretart: I'll probably have a pile of universe freeze exceptions for you, since I won't get them done by thursday | 08:12 |
| siretart | (its 8:11am for me now) | 08:12 |
| ajmitch | siretart: depends on how willing you are to trust some of us MOTUs :) | 08:12 |
| imbrandon | amsterdam times ;) | 08:12 |
| siretart | ajmitch: I myself have one. FAI. Thomas Lange (debian maintainer and upstream) suggests to have fai 3.0 in edgy, since it may be easier to get running | 08:12 |
| minghua | imbrandon: there is "# Automatically added by dh_python" in the postinst", so looks like the .deb is built quite professionally | 08:12 |
| siretart | but he won't release it before weekend | 08:13 |
| minghua | hi siretart | 08:13 |
| siretart | huhu minghua | 08:13 |
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| minghua | imbrandon: but it seems there is no source for osc | 08:19 |
| minghua | (the srpm is for kiwi, which has binary rpm packages, but no debs) | 08:19 |
| imbrandon | yea i noticed | 08:19 |
| imbrandon | no source, no install | 08:19 |
| imbrandon | heh | 08:19 |
| === ajmitch has a kiwi update here to fix up & get in | ||
| imbrandon | but i DID finaly find where they his the SaX2 branch | 08:19 |
| imbrandon | https://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/sax/sax-head | 08:19 |
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| Q-FUNK | http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-hotplug-devel&m=115926521015750&w=2 | 08:29 |
| Q-FUNK | prety neat | 08:29 |
| Q-FUNK | could work well in LTSP | 08:29 |
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| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: for supporting local devices? | 08:36 |
| joejaxx | does anyone know how much space it whould take to download all of the main and restricted repos? | 08:45 |
| LaserJock | a fair amout | 08:45 |
| LaserJock | I can't remember | 08:45 |
| LaserJock | all archs and source too? | 08:46 |
| Q-FUNK | LaserJock: mostly that it's a super tiny replacement for udev, which would be perfect on thin clients with low resources. | 08:46 |
| joejaxx | uh | 08:46 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: i guess | 08:46 |
| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: I think the edgy LTSP will have that | 08:46 |
| LaserJock | not that specifically | 08:47 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: yes i whould include all archs and source | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | but those features | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: it's proably less than 10 GB | 08:47 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: wow really? | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | for Main | 08:48 |
| joejaxx | how much whould universe and multiverse taken up | 08:48 |
| LaserJock | only 4,000 packages | 08:48 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: what about restricted though | 08:48 |
| LaserJock | restricted doesn't have much in it | 08:48 |
| joejaxx | ah | 08:48 |
| joejaxx | so now i need to know how much universe and multi verse whould take up | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | raphink: ping? | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: significantly more then Main ;-) | 08:50 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: interesting | 08:50 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: what whould you said whould be ample enought bandwidth for a mirror of main and restricted | 08:51 |
| joejaxx | enough* | 08:51 |
| LaserJock | really not sure | 08:53 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 08:58 |
| LaserJock | depends on how much traffic you get | 08:58 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 08:58 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: thank you for the information :) | 08:58 |
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| ajmitch | dholbach! | 08:58 |
| dholbach | good morning - HAPPY HUG DAY! | 08:58 |
| dholbach | hey ajmitch | 08:58 |
| LaserJock | hi dholbach | 08:58 |
| dholbach | hi LaserJock | 08:59 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: it ought to be another REVU day, imho | 08:59 |
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| dholbach | absolutely | 09:01 |
| dholbach | nobody stepped up to write an announcement :-( | 09:01 |
| dholbach | we agreed on it before | 09:01 |
| ajmitch | sorry about that | 09:01 |
| dholbach | no - I didn't mean to blame oyu | 09:02 |
| LaserJock | sure ;-) | 09:02 |
| lfittl | morning dholbach :) | 09:02 |
| imbrandon | heya dholbach | 09:02 |
| imbrandon | hug day today ? | 09:02 |
| dholbach | yeah | 09:03 |
| imbrandon | cool | 09:03 |
| dholbach | what do we do about REVUing? | 09:03 |
| dholbach | tomorrow will be universe freeze | 09:03 |
| imbrandon | i've been revuing as i have time | 09:03 |
| imbrandon | and afaik all the active motus in here have been | 09:03 |
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| imbrandon | even without a "set day" | 09:03 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:03 |
| === ajmitch still has a pile of packages to get into edgy that won't make it by freeze day | ||
| dholbach | ok, what I suggest now is: if there are easy fixes to do, attach a debdiff to fix them an do it | 09:04 |
| dholbach | it doesn't make sense to go through n iterations at this point | 09:04 |
| imbrandon | yea | 09:04 |
| dholbach | if the package maintainer disagrees, he can still roll back | 09:04 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: will you still consider new packages after the freeze? | 09:04 |
| dholbach | i wouldn't like that - because I already discussed it with Matt | 09:05 |
| ajmitch | hm | 09:05 |
| dholbach | UniverseFreeze is much later than UpstreamVersionFreeze this time | 09:05 |
| dholbach | you can try to talk to him | 09:05 |
| === ajmitch will have to drop a couple of things then | ||
| dholbach | I will do UVF exceptions, yes - but for NEW packages - talk to him instead | 09:05 |
| ajmitch | some xen-related stuff I'm doing, and a couple of others from debian | 09:06 |
| dholbach | talk to Matt :/ | 09:06 |
| dholbach | you might not have to drop it yet | 09:06 |
| === ajmitch also has some stuff in NEW that's been stalled there | ||
| dholbach | me too | 09:06 |
| imbrandon | yea NEW is getting backed up | 09:07 |
| dholbach | I hope that stuff gets processed | 09:07 |
| dholbach | everybody's busy with beta | 09:07 |
| ajmitch | and another few authentication-related packages I didn't get round to tidying up & uploading | 09:07 |
| === ajmitch sighs | ||
| ajmitch | too many loose ends I haven't tidied | 09:07 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, anything i can help with ? | 09:07 |
| ajmitch | I'd have to dig through it & see | 09:07 |
| imbrandon | kk well if you run accross soemting lemme know | 09:08 |
| ajmitch | & it's usually nothing major to do, the time it takes for me to grab it all, I'd be able to update it | 09:08 |
| === ajmitch has packages for things like gtickets for handling kerberos tickets | ||
| imbrandon | heh | 09:09 |
| ajmitch | maybe I can stick it on revu now | 09:09 |
| ajmitch | hm, empty debian/copyright, I didn't fill that one in | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | bah, ubuntu-archive won't mind ;-) | 09:10 |
| imbrandon | lol | 09:10 |
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| LaserJock | tell them you'll do it on the next upload ;-) | 09:11 |
| imbrandon | hahah | 09:11 |
| === LaserJock will never make core-dev | ||
| superm1 | hey guys, I just debianized another package in hopes of fitting it in before the freeze tomorrow. I threw up "backstep" | 09:11 |
| imbrandon | bah compiling suse stuff on ubuntnu just plain sucks /me gives up on sax untill edgy+1 | 09:12 |
| imbrandon | the deps are all nuts | 09:12 |
| ajmitch | ok, gktools updated | 09:13 |
| === ajmitch hasn't checked the package for months | ||
| ajmitch | so pick over it on REVU :) | 09:13 |
| imbrandon | anyone have some sugestions about what i can do with bug 59534 ( my main problem is libvisual-0.4-plugins isnt in main ) | 09:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 59534 in libvisual "Libvisual autoinstall by demand" [Low,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59534 | 09:13 |
| ajmitch | I have no idea how rough it still is :) | 09:13 |
| imbrandon | hum i guess a review and MIR would be the best way | 09:15 |
| ajmitch | probably | 09:15 |
| ajmitch | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3259 | 09:16 |
| ajmitch | pick that over, I have to head out in ~10 minutes | 09:16 |
| imbrandon | kk | 09:16 |
| ajmitch | no idea if it still builds ;) | 09:16 |
| imbrandon | i can run revu-tools now , hehe | 09:17 |
| ajmitch | thanks | 09:20 |
| joejaxx | does anyone know why webmin was removed? | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | np, umm why dosent revu just nuke the changes file instead of making it unreadable | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx, webmin is evil, they ignore cve stuff | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | its in the blacklist sees , qoute : | 09:22 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: ? | 09:22 |
| imbrandon | # mdz, 2004-06-14: upstream deliberately obfuscates vulnerabilities | 09:22 |
| imbrandon | # mdz, 2004-06-20: CAN-2002-0757, CAN-2003-0101, SNS 74, SNS 75 | 09:22 |
| imbrandon | webmin | 09:22 |
| imbrandon | ^^ from the blacklist | 09:22 |
| imbrandon | this a no no | 09:22 |
| joejaxx | oh wow | 09:22 |
| Q-FUNK | would anybody know when janimo is online usually? | 09:22 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, looks to ftbs , messed up desktop file? | 09:23 |
| imbrandon | desktop-file-install created an invalid desktop file! | 09:24 |
| imbrandon | make[3] : *** [install-data-local] Error 1 | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | how special | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | fedora crap, I'm sure :) | 09:25 |
| imbrandon | yup | 09:25 |
| imbrandon | something about X-Fedora | 09:25 |
| imbrandon | not sure | 09:25 |
| ajmitch | it hates X-Fedora & Application | 09:25 |
| ajmitch | will patch that | 09:25 |
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| imbrandon | looks liek the "actual" build went fine though | 09:26 |
| === ajmitch shrugs | ||
| ajmitch | I'll sort it later | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | want me just to remove those two from the rules ? | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | e.g. | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | --add-category X-Fedora \ | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | --add-category=Application \ | 09:27 |
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| imbrandon | oh yea now that Fujitsu is a MOTU he can revu ;) hahaha | 09:29 |
| === imbrandon jabs Fujitsu ;) | ||
| Fujitsu | Oh $*#$ :P | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: shouldn't you be asleep? | 09:29 |
| === Fujitsu stabs Hobbsee with his long pointy stick of I'm-a-MOTU-too-DOOM! | ||
| Fujitsu | Hi imbrandon, LaserJock. | 09:29 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, probably, but i got up late today | 09:29 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: fix universe, kthnksbye! | 09:30 |
| Hobbsee | and it's MY POINTY STICK! | 09:30 |
| Fujitsu | Long done, Hobbsee. | 09:30 |
| imbrandon | hahaha | 09:30 |
| Fujitsu | Universe is absolute perfect in every single way. | 09:30 |
| Fujitsu | Not a single flaw. | 09:30 |
| Fujitsu | *absolutely | 09:31 |
| === LaserJock looks around and flicks an electron | ||
| imbrandon | heh | 09:31 |
| Fujitsu | :O | 09:31 |
| === Fujitsu slaps away LaserJock! Noooooo. | ||
| imbrandon | LaserJock, question is shouldnt /you/ too ;) | 09:31 |
| imbrandon | ( sleep ) | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: yes, but you are +2 hrs | 09:32 |
| Fujitsu | I've only made 4 uploads today :( | 09:32 |
| Fujitsu | But I have been at school. | 09:32 |
| imbrandon | well i was/am glad to see someone else from my lug getting into the ubuntu community other than just installing it ;) | 09:33 |
| Fujitsu | Yay :) | 09:33 |
| Fujitsu | Who? | 09:33 |
| imbrandon | jldugger ^^ | 09:33 |
| Fujitsu | Aha, I saw him on earlier :) | 09:34 |
| imbrandon | most of the lug /uses/ ubuntu but very few participate in the community much | 09:34 |
| imbrandon | we have like one token gentoo guy and one token slack guy , all the rest use ubuntu or kubuntu | 09:34 |
| Fujitsu | 'tis the same worldwide, I'd presume. If everybody participated in the community, Freenode would have exploded years ago :P | 09:35 |
| imbrandon | haha | 09:35 |
| imbrandon | well not just irc, email, forums , etc etc etc | 09:35 |
| imbrandon | i can count the messages on our ML on my hands this last month hehe | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | but we have something like 40 members | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | or thereabouts | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | hmm, anybody use mini-dinstall here? | 09:37 |
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| imbrandon | woot i'm a level 38 idler | 09:39 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:39 |
| lotusleaf | imbrandon: crawl has more of a challenge ;) | 09:39 |
| imbrandon | [02:37] <NewdleBot> imbrandon, the Digital_KDE_Blasphmey, has attained level 38! Next level in 1 day, 22:54:30. | 09:39 |
| imbrandon | crawl ? | 09:39 |
| lotusleaf | !crawl | 09:39 |
| ubotu | crawl: Dungeon Crawl, a text-based roguelike game. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.0.0beta26-7 (dapper), package size 619 kB, installed size 1512 kB | 09:39 |
| lotusleaf | imbrandon: the most addictive game in the world | 09:40 |
| imbrandon | heh idlerpg i dont have to do anything though | 09:40 |
| imbrandon | my kinda game | 09:40 |
| lotusleaf | well, true. ;) | 09:40 |
| Fujitsu | O_o | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | hmm, somebody must be looking at TeX | 09:42 |
| Fujitsu | I don't see changelog entries like this often: | 09:43 |
| Fujitsu | * Sync with Ubuntu. | 09:43 |
| Fujitsu | (in Debian) | 09:43 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, why? | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | I've seen a few | 09:43 |
| Q-FUNK | *blink* | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | my email has all of a sudden gotten a few tex emails | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | hmm, that's a rather stupid sentence | 09:43 |
| Fujitsu | Not really, it's a little odd, but not too bad. | 09:44 |
| Fujitsu | I uploaded a galeon merge about 7 hours ago... It appeared on my +packages, but the version doesn't exist yet, it gives a 404. | 09:45 |
| Fujitsu | Wow, yeah... 10 TeX emails. | 09:46 |
| Fujitsu | 11, then. | 09:46 |
| === crimsun pokes Fujitsu | ||
| Fujitsu | Hi crimsun. | 09:48 |
| crimsun | thanks for clarifying 62422 | 09:48 |
| === Fujitsu unpoke. | ||
| Fujitsu | *unpokes. | 09:48 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, oops. Sorry. | 09:48 |
| Fujitsu | I think I must have copied the description from the mpd one, and changed all the details except the name. | 09:49 |
| Fujitsu | Now I see why you suggested I grab it from experimental :) | 09:49 |
| Fujitsu | O_o | 09:50 |
| Fujitsu | Another 10 or so closings of TeX bugs. | 09:50 |
| Fujitsu | Somebody has been having fun... | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | did Debian just upload new TeX? | 09:51 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, looks like it... I got like 30 emails about it to -science... | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 09:51 |
| Fujitsu | We're about to get growled at by them, aren't we? | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | not if we are prompt about it I don't think | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | i.e. we should look into it before edgy is released | 09:52 |
| Fujitsu | But that'll mean a UVFe... | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | not necessarily | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | if they just bumped the Debian revision | 09:53 |
| Fujitsu | True.. | 09:53 |
| === Fujitsu checks. | ||
| LaserJock | yep | 09:53 |
| LaserJock | 3.0-22 with a high importance | 09:53 |
| LaserJock | for tetex-base | 09:53 |
| Fujitsu | There's also tex-common yesterday, new upstream. | 09:53 |
| Fujitsu | (it's native) | 09:54 |
| Fujitsu | 0.29 -> 0.30. | 09:54 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: (btw, you can mark that one in progress since you've already got a source package ready to upload, or you can just upload and mark it fix committed) | 09:54 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun, true, I shall upload it, but I couldn't last night :P | 09:54 |
| Fujitsu | And another 8 or so mails... | 09:54 |
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| Fujitsu | imbrandon, ping. | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, pong | 09:57 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, did you get around to creating me an account? | 09:57 |
| crimsun | and did you get me a pony? | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | oh , no i got sidetracked with some amarok bugs, will do now | 09:57 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, thanks. | 09:58 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, no pony for you | 09:58 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 09:58 |
| crimsun | bah | 09:58 |
| === Fujitsu hands crimsun a pony, for all his sponsorships. :P | ||
| imbrandon | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg | 09:59 |
| Fujitsu | Do packages often vanish into the Soyuzian void? | 10:00 |
| crimsun | what sort of packages? | 10:00 |
| Fujitsu | I uploaded galeon, it appeared on my +packages about 7 hours ago, but the new version is still yet to be seen. | 10:00 |
| crimsun | you'll get two separate ACCEPT e-mails, actually | 10:01 |
| crimsun | the first is for the upload, the second is for the source | 10:01 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun, noted, and one to the list, I think I got both, but I'll check. | 10:01 |
| crimsun | (since the queue is in manual processing mode) | 10:01 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, so there's no option for just main freezing at this time? | 10:01 |
| crimsun | not afaict | 10:02 |
| Fujitsu | I did note that the first ACCEPT email said it was waiting distro manager approval, but I presumed it always did that, and was automagic. | 10:02 |
| Fujitsu | And the new galeon isn't in any of the queues... Should it be? | 10:03 |
| TheMuso | Fujitsu: How did the meeting go this morning? | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | not till the source is accepted afaik | 10:04 |
| Fujitsu | TheMuso, OK :) | 10:04 |
| TheMuso | Congratulations then! | 10:04 |
| crimsun | galeon | 2.0.2-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages | 10:04 |
| crimsun | galeon | 2.0.2-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Sources | 10:04 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks :) | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | TheMuso, him and cbx33 got in ;) | 10:04 |
| Fujitsu | Nope -2ubuntu1 is mine. | 10:04 |
| TheMuso | Cool. | 10:04 |
| Fujitsu | (although that's also mine, it's an old one) | 10:04 |
| crimsun | are you using dput? | 10:05 |
| Fujitsu | Yes. | 10:05 |
| crimsun | hmm, you already got the ACCEPTs | 10:05 |
| Fujitsu | I can't see the second one here. | 10:06 |
| crimsun | oh, you just got one accept? | 10:06 |
| Fujitsu | Yes. | 10:06 |
| crimsun | ah, then it hasn't been source accepted yet | 10:06 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 10:06 |
| Fujitsu | It'd be nice if it appeared somewhere. | 10:06 |
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| Fujitsu | Thanks for explaining that. | 10:07 |
| crimsun | once it's source accepted, it'll appear on edgy-changes | 10:07 |
| Fujitsu | Noted. | 10:07 |
| Fujitsu | Are there normally two emails, or just because it's frozen? | 10:08 |
| crimsun | the latter | 10:08 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 10:08 |
| crimsun | if the source package name already exists doesn't generate any new binary packages, you'll get the one source accept | 10:09 |
| crimsun | exists and ^ | 10:09 |
| Fujitsu | Yup, that's what I thought. | 10:09 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, here is what you need for your next notebook http://static2.instructables.com/pub/FL7/YG8X/FL7YG8XV3WEP27T6EB.medium.jpg | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: oh, that is impressive | 10:14 |
| Fujitsu | Hah. | 10:15 |
| jblack | Dear santa: All I want for christmas is my two front teeth and for the mythtv pacakges to not be 1/2 0.20 and 1/2 0.18. :) | 10:15 |
| Fujitsu | Is there a REVU admin around? | 10:15 |
| Fujitsu | Or somebody who can obliterate my accidental galeon upload from this morning? | 10:15 |
| crimsun | jblack: should be fixed next week | 10:16 |
| imbrandon | jblack, i'm working on the other half right now | 10:16 |
| Fujitsu | Because I forgot dput was defaulting to REVU for my first upload >_> | 10:16 |
| jblack | imbrandon: You rock. | 10:16 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: hah, that was the dput question ;) | 10:16 |
| imbrandon | should be done in the next day or two like crimsun said | 10:16 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun, aha. | 10:17 |
| Fujitsu | Hm | 10:17 |
| === Fujitsu is bored. | ||
| Fujitsu | Any MOTU tasks anybody can suggest? | 10:17 |
| jblack | imbrandon: Your work has made a change in my day to day life. | 10:18 |
| crimsun | you probably shouldn't ask that within reading distance of LaserJock, bddebian, or Hobbsee | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | fix the archive. | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | write my assignment for me | 10:18 |
| === Fujitsu runs away, then. | ||
| Hobbsee | there's a start. | 10:18 |
| jblack | within two days of 0.20 I put my phone company and satellite dish company that their services were no longer required. :) | 10:18 |
| crimsun | (toldya) | 10:18 |
| jblack | (of me trying 0.20). | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 10:18 |
| Fujitsu | What a MOTUish task the latter of those is, Hobbsee. | 10:18 |
| imbrandon | heh | 10:19 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 10:19 |
| jblack | Thats like $80 a month you're saving me. That's a lot for someone between jobs. :) | 10:19 |
| Hobbsee | it's only part of my uni degree, yes | 10:19 |
| Fujitsu | Aw, why are there no new members of motu on LP? It's got a cool emblem :'( | 10:20 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, so /that's/ where my mpd upload went. I left out `ubuntu' from the command-line as well. Fortunately, I've changed the default now :) | 10:21 |
| === Fujitsu kicks self a bit. | ||
| crimsun | it's actually safer initially to set the default to some nonsense one | 10:22 |
| imbrandon | like local | 10:23 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 10:23 |
| crimsun | that way you /have/ to type 'dput ubuntu ..' | 10:23 |
| Fujitsu | Brb, | 10:23 |
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| cbx33 | mornin all | 10:25 |
| imbrandon | heya cbx33 | 10:26 |
| imbrandon | contrats btw | 10:26 |
| cbx33 | thank you | 10:26 |
| imbrandon | congrats* | 10:26 |
| cbx33 | you know I didn't even see that was missplet | 10:26 |
| cbx33 | must be tired | 10:26 |
| cbx33 | s/missplet/misspelt | 10:26 |
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| LaserJock | looked good to me too :/ | 10:28 |
| Fujitsu | Hi ogra. | 10:28 |
| === jblack waves to ogra | ||
| ogra | hey | 10:28 |
| cbx33 | boo ogra | 10:29 |
| === Hobbsee attacks ogra with a feather duster | ||
| === Fujitsu uploads a new version of Hobbsee, without the sticks and feather dusters. | ||
| Hobbsee | hah | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: just as long as it's not a new upstream release | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | we only want a patched Hobbsee | 10:30 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, she's officially supported? | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | no telling what havok a new upstream release might do | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | oh yeah | 10:31 |
| crimsun | I think I'm going to keep mum on those ramifications | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: what are you doing up? | 10:31 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: and how would a patched Hobbsee work? | 10:31 |
| crimsun | huh? I'm always awake at this hour | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | really? | 10:32 |
| crimsun | (besides, I need to convert this assignment to Python from Java) Yeah. | 10:32 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: Re espeak: http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/espeak_1.15.orig.tar.gz | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: bionic woman | 10:32 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: excellent, thank you | 10:32 |
| TheMuso | np | 10:32 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun.... TO Java!/ | 10:32 |
| Fujitsu | *!? | 10:32 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: (I think you misparsed that) | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: dude, you seriously need a break | 10:32 |
| Fujitsu | Oops. | 10:32 |
| Fujitsu | True. | 10:32 |
| crimsun | remember, I don't need more insanity | 10:33 |
| Fujitsu | Come on crimsun, take a break :) | 10:33 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: yes, well, obviously... | 10:33 |
| cbx33 | crimsun: do you rememebr you helped me out a little while back when my usb-audio midi device was being cpicked up as hw0 | 10:33 |
| crimsun | cbx33: vaguely, hopefully you're not offended if I don't say it's crystal-clear | 10:33 |
| cbx33 | i recently setup a new machine .... can you remember what we did? | 10:33 |
| cbx33 | heheh np | 10:34 |
| crimsun | cbx33: what was the original issue? | 10:34 |
| cbx33 | when I boot with my USB midi box plugged in | 10:34 |
| cbx33 | it steals hw0 | 10:34 |
| cbx33 | so JACK throws a fit | 10:34 |
| crimsun | oh, this must be a dapper box | 10:34 |
| cbx33 | if I plug it in after booted up | 10:34 |
| cbx33 | it's fine | 10:35 |
| cbx33 | yes it is | 10:35 |
| cbx33 | will hopefully be edgy soon | 10:35 |
| crimsun | ok, I 'fixed' that in #31109, #46996, and #46998 by placing the following in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base: | 10:35 |
| crimsun | options snd-usb-audio index=-2 | 10:36 |
| cbx33 | thank | 10:36 |
| crimsun | np | 10:37 |
| cbx33 | crimsun: on the ubuntustudio.com setup page....they have it written as options snd-usb-audio index=1 which didnt work, should I notify them? | 10:40 |
| crimsun | well, you should tell them this: | 10:40 |
| crimsun | index=1 is valid only if you also explicitly specify index=0 for another card (via an options line) | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | btw, they are going to start working on mubuntu | 10:40 |
| cbx33 | ah i see | 10:41 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock: cool | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | cbx33: congratulations | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | cbx33: fix all of universe with Fujitsu. kthnksbye! | 10:41 |
| cbx33 | thanks Hobbsee | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | I was talking to them about getting metapackages in Universe | 10:41 |
| Fujitsu | Mubuntu? | 10:42 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock: it's funny I had actually written a short spec about meta packages for an ubuntustudio subdistro | 10:42 |
| cbx33 | and a few weeks later mubuntu popped up | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: multimedia ubuntu | 10:42 |
| TheMuso | cbx33: Where can one find out more about mubuntu? | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | well, one of the guys was wanting to write an Automatix script to do it | 10:43 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, you said the forbidden. | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 10:43 |
| cbx33 | TheMuso: I don;t know | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | so I helped straighten some things out | 10:43 |
| Fujitsu | That's just wrong wrong wrong... And I hope they do eventually get their metapackages in. | 10:43 |
| Fujitsu | Good, good. | 10:43 |
| cbx33 | I just hope it's going to include things like ardour | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso: you could ask on #ubuntu-studio I think | 10:44 |
| LaserJock | the question was how to handle Multiverse packages | 10:44 |
| LaserJock | so I suggested making mubuntu-desktop and also mubuntu-multiverse metapackages | 10:44 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock: good plan | 10:44 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah. | 10:45 |
| Fujitsu | What multiverse stuff do they use? | 10:45 |
| LaserJock | lame | 10:45 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: Thanks. | 10:46 |
| LaserJock | anyway, I encouraged them to get things into Universe/Multiverse and go the packaging route as opposed to the Automatix route | 10:46 |
| LaserJock | so hopefully something will come of it | 10:46 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock: ++ | 10:46 |
| cbx33 | if not, I may pick up the interest ;) | 10:46 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, I hope you succeed. The less Automatix in the world, the better. | 10:46 |
| LaserJock | dolson is a cool dude and knows how to package | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | so I think it'll work out | 10:47 |
| TheMuso | The biggest problem with something like mubuntu for audio etc is a realtime kernel. | 10:47 |
| cbx33 | yes | 10:47 |
| cbx33 | but then I havn't had a problem with it | 10:47 |
| TheMuso | I have decided that when I get things set up here, I will be using another distro for audio stuff, for a few reasons. | 10:47 |
| === TheMuso likes to use the realtime patch. | ||
| crimsun | well, the -rt kernel itself isn't that big an issue; it's integrating -rt with the other Ubuntu patches | 10:48 |
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| TheMuso | crimsun: Indeed. | 10:48 |
| crimsun | I looked at it for Breezy, ran away, then looked at it again for Dapper and ran away again, so I didn't bother for Edgy | 10:48 |
| TheMuso | -rt is so damn intrusive. | 10:48 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: It may be easier starting vanilla, applying -rt, and then putting the other stuff on top of that. | 10:49 |
| TheMuso | But I don't know a hell of a lot about it. | 10:50 |
| crimsun | that's the plan | 10:50 |
| crimsun | although honestly I'm not sure the approach is worth the go | 10:50 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 10:50 |
| crimsun | most people aren't going to be buying exotic hardware, ala bigiron, for their setups | 10:51 |
| cbx33 | crimsun: ++ | 10:51 |
| cbx33 | it seems to work fine with my setup | 10:51 |
| === LaserJock puts on some 92kbs .mp3-converted-to-.ogg stuff for the audiophiles | ||
| TheMuso | crimsun: I have found the -rt patch when I have used it to be really nice however. | 10:51 |
| cbx33 | maybe I shoul dbuy a delta1010 | 10:52 |
| crimsun | TheMuso has 3 of those iirc | 10:52 |
| TheMuso | cbx33: I have a 1010LT and love it. | 10:52 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: A Delta 66, a 1010LT, and a DMX 6Fire 24/96. | 10:52 |
| crimsun | ah | 10:52 |
| TheMuso | All synched toghether. | 10:52 |
| TheMuso | together even | 10:53 |
| cbx33 | oooh | 10:53 |
| cbx33 | lovely | 10:53 |
| cbx33 | I had a small studio whilst at uni | 10:53 |
| crimsun | three synced is damned impressive | 10:53 |
| TheMuso | And with a little patch to alsa-lib to one of teh plugins, it works with jack. | 10:53 |
| cbx33 | akai DPS12i - logic gold - spriti folio | 10:53 |
| cbx33 | JACK rocks | 10:53 |
| cbx33 | I'd like to get more into it again | 10:53 |
| TheMuso | With 3 synched cards, damn right it does. | 10:53 |
| cbx33 | I hope I get to work on the sounds for edgy + ` | 10:53 |
| cbx33 | 1 | 10:54 |
| Plug | right, ajmitch | 10:54 |
| Plug | have I got a deal for you! | 10:54 |
| TheMuso | cbx33: Were you the one who did the sounds for edgy? | 10:54 |
| TheMuso | If so, I have some ideas for edgy+1. | 10:54 |
| LaserJock | I want a seasonal sound theme selector for edgy+1 ;-) | 10:55 |
| crimsun | that's crazy talk | 10:55 |
| TheMuso | Hey thats not a bad idea. :) | 10:55 |
| crimsun | next thing you know they'll be wanting seasonal ponies | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: well, like I ever listen to sound in Linux | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | but still, if I did, that's what I'd want | 10:56 |
| === TheMuso turns off sound also. | ||
| crimsun | sound? pssht, what's that? | 10:56 |
| TheMuso | Although I quite like the sounds for this release. | 10:56 |
| crimsun | tbh I think Edgy is more polished than Dapper | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: that thing that never works | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 10:57 |
| cbx33 | TheMuso: yes it was me | 10:57 |
| crimsun | don't make me invoke the pointy stick o' doom | 10:57 |
| cbx33 | I have a change to make to the shutdown one yet though | 10:57 |
| TheMuso | Ah right. | 10:57 |
| cbx33 | it's too darn long | 10:57 |
| TheMuso | Agreed. | 10:58 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 10:58 |
| cbx33 | TheMuso: want to move to a pm? | 10:58 |
| cbx33 | I'm interested in hearing your ideas | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | I'm my P I it's not too long, j/k | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | s/I'm/on/ | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | shesh, lack of sleep | 10:58 |
| TheMuso | cbx33: WHy did you choose a plain key of C major? :) | 10:58 |
| cbx33 | it's just right on my Athlon 3200 here as well | 10:58 |
| TheMuso | cbx33: sure | 10:59 |
| cbx33 | TheMuso: I dunno.....just seemed to work i guess | 10:59 |
| Plug | ok, preparing for release | 11:01 |
| Plug | should I remove my changelog of all the cruft between versions on revu? | 11:01 |
| Plug | (ie can it say -10 Initial release) | 11:01 |
| Plug | or will people wonder where 1-9 went | 11:01 |
| crimsun | 0.1-0ubuntu1 | 11:02 |
| crimsun | or rather, 1.0-0ubuntu1 | 11:02 |
| imbrandon | Plug, you shouldent bump the version each time you upload to revu ;) | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | REVU is rather interesting that way | 11:02 |
| Plug | Erm, I'd think you should do excatly that | 11:02 |
| crimsun | the only thing that's necessary is that it should be something-0ubuntu1 | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | not exactly the true packaging experience | 11:02 |
| Plug | so you can tell builds apart somehow! | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | always including the source tarball, for instance | 11:03 |
| Plug | crimsun: I am currently up to -0ubuntu10 | 11:03 |
| imbrandon | they are seperated by date on REVU | 11:03 |
| Plug | so I can regress, or use an epoch, or something | 11:03 |
| Plug | imbrandon: packages built from REVU aren't | 11:03 |
| crimsun | Plug: from a maintainer's perspective, it makes more sense to have the initial Edgy upload be foo-0ubuntu1 | 11:04 |
| imbrandon | REVU wont care if its an older version uploaded | 11:04 |
| crimsun | I'd avoid epochs | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | the packages on REVU are sperated by date | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | so you can upload the same version over and over without problems | 11:04 |
| crimsun | Plug: besides, with whichever vcs you're using, the changes are already tracked | 11:04 |
| Plug | I'd be worried that people will build the package to test, and how can you tell one -0ubuntu1 version from another, easily, as a tester | 11:04 |
| imbrandon | yea what laserjock said ( if dput complains remove the .upload file ) | 11:04 |
| Plug | so the consensus appears to be, go back to -0ubuntu1 :) | 11:05 |
| imbrandon | Plug, by date on revu | 11:05 |
| crimsun | Plug: for the initial Ubuntu upload, that's my suggestion | 11:05 |
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| Plug | imbrandon: harder when I've build a binary package from the source I downloaded, but people using REVU have to be careful I guess | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | why? | 11:07 |
| imbrandon | from what ive been told, the version should always stay at what is targeted for upload to the archives on REVU | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | most of the time they aren't going to be grabing 5 different versions | 11:07 |
| Plug | I quite often build binaries of versions of something I'm working on, for people to test | 11:07 |
| imbrandon | only the latest | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | ah, well that sort of makes sense | 11:08 |
| imbrandon | sure , just tag something like ~test1 etc on it ( just dont upload that to revu ) | 11:08 |
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| crimsun | TheMuso: out of curiosity, does libespeak1 not contain anything that was formerly in espeak? | 11:09 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: Versions prior to 1.15 did not have a shared library. libespeak1's contents is entirely new. | 11:10 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: ok. And espeak-data is entirely new for post-1.11? | 11:11 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: espeak-data is stuff that was in espeak from version 1.11 and before. Espeak-data was created as the shared library as well as the binary executable need the data it contains. Have I used the conflicts/replaces stuff incorrectly? | 11:11 |
| crimsun | (i.e., checking if it makes more sense to C+R < 1.15) | 11:12 |
| crimsun | no, your intent is correct | 11:12 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Stupid question, if I may. | 11:12 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: Fire away. | 11:12 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: I did that because there weren't any versions that were made as packages between 1.11 and 1.15 | 11:13 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Well, it depends if you have used Orca. | 11:13 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: If I've used orca, hell yes I have! | 11:13 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: right, I'm trying to cover the case where someone [perhaps overzealous] has taken your prior packaging infrastructure and generated his/her own debs, say for 1.14 | 11:13 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Bart likes it, except for one niggling thing. If he is moving down a list, when he moves the next element, it should stop saying the previous element - which it doesn't. | 11:14 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Is there some way to set that behaviour? | 11:14 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: What prog? | 11:14 |
| StevenK | It seems to occur for everything. | 11:14 |
| StevenK | Even icons on the desktop, for example. | 11:14 |
| TheMuso | Is he using flat review mode, or just the arrow keys? | 11:15 |
| TheMuso | And what version of orca? | 11:15 |
| Plug | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3262 | 11:17 |
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| Plug | go go go! :) | 11:17 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: 1.0.0-0ubuntu1 | 11:17 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: However, for the other question, I couldn't say. | 11:17 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 11:18 |
| TheMuso | What synth? | 11:18 |
| StevenK | Emacspeak | 11:18 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 11:18 |
| TheMuso | Because I haven't had such weird problems. I'll have another play later, but I can't remember such behavior happening. | 11:19 |
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| Fujitsu | Bart, StevenK? | 11:19 |
| TheMuso | I haven't seen any posts yet. | 11:20 |
| TheMuso | Fujitsu: Bart Bunting. | 11:20 |
| StevenK | Fujitsu: Bart Bunting, a vision-impaired co-worker of mine | 11:20 |
| Fujitsu | Aha. | 11:20 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Any help/pointers would be cool. | 11:21 |
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| sivang | does someone know how to make scp skip already existing files? | 11:22 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: I'll see what I can find. | 11:22 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Thanks muchly | 11:22 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: No problem. | 11:23 |
| TheMuso | COming to SLUG on Friday? | 11:23 |
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| StevenK | TheMuso: Not this month. | 11:23 |
| TheMuso | RIghto | 11:23 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: DOn't mention it. | 11:23 |
| givre | dholbach: I apply your patch, and it seams now good for revu. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3253 .Thanks | 11:24 |
| dholbach | givre: rock and roll | 11:24 |
| dholbach | (to upload you can do this: debuild -S -sa -k<mail address> ) | 11:25 |
| dholbach | so I could do debuild -S -sa -kdaniel.holbach@ubuntu.com | 11:25 |
| dholbach | that's when I sponsor uploads for somebody else | 11:25 |
| dholbach | but good work on the package | 11:25 |
| dholbach | somebody else to review it, so we can get it in? | 11:25 |
| LaserJock | ok, time for bed for me | 11:25 |
| cbx33 | nn LaserJock | 11:25 |
| imbrandon | gnight LaserJock | 11:25 |
| dholbach | night LaserJock | 11:25 |
| cbx33 | hi dholbach | 11:25 |
| Fujitsu | 'night, LaserJock. | 11:26 |
| LaserJock | 16 hr Ubuntu day | 11:26 |
| Fujitsu | dholbach, that'd be nice. | 11:26 |
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| dholbach | Fujitsu: hm? | 11:26 |
| dholbach | Fujitsu: you review it too? | 11:26 |
| Fujitsu | Getting it in :) | 11:26 |
| Fujitsu | dholbach, I could... | 11:26 |
| dholbach | cool | 11:26 |
| Fujitsu | I can't actually advocate it, though. | 11:26 |
| dholbach | because we need a revu admin for that? | 11:26 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, poke ajmitch about that later , he can fix you up | 11:27 |
| Fujitsu | OK, will do :) | 11:27 |
| dholbach | Fujitsu: just add your comment then | 11:27 |
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| dholbach | that's good enough | 11:27 |
| dholbach | ;) | 11:27 |
| crimsun | sire.tart is active now | 11:27 |
| Laser_away | bah, don't let mere formalities get in the way of raging Ubuntu-holic MOTU action | 11:27 |
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| dholbach | that's the spirit | 11:27 |
| Fujitsu | Can I use dget or something on REVU? | 11:28 |
| imbrandon | on the dsc file yes | 11:28 |
| imbrandon | dget <url to dsc> | 11:28 |
| Fujitsu | OK, good. | 11:28 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks :) | 11:28 |
| imbrandon | dholbach, is that dh@ you ? | 11:29 |
| dholbach | imbrandon: yes | 11:29 |
| imbrandon | cool ok | 11:29 |
| imbrandon | Plug, looking at yours now | 11:31 |
| Plug | imbrandon: thanks! | 11:31 |
| givre | dholbach: great, thanks for the tips, i'll remember it | 11:31 |
| dholbach | givre: cheers | 11:31 |
| Fujitsu | My connection to imbrandon's server has just become really laggy :( | 11:32 |
| imbrandon | hum | 11:32 |
| Fujitsu | Is ntfs-3g meant to have a large number of changelog entries? | 11:33 |
| Fujitsu | I don't think so... | 11:33 |
| Fujitsu | Especially some with the distro set to unstable. | 11:34 |
| Fujitsu | Or was this in Debian first? | 11:34 |
| Fujitsu | It can't have been. | 11:34 |
| Plug | Nothing is in Debian first any more :) | 11:35 |
| Fujitsu | givre, dholbach: The changelog is iffy. | 11:35 |
| givre | Fujitsu: the thing is that i use it in my own repo since the first version | 11:35 |
| Fujitsu | givre, the changelog is not right... | 11:35 |
| Fujitsu | For one thing, the version should be -0ubuntu1. | 11:36 |
| Fujitsu | Not -1ubuntu1, as it's not in Debian yet. | 11:36 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, upstream can use the debian changelog too ... but it should be -0ubuntu1 | 11:36 |
| dholbach | sed -s 's/unstable/UNRELEASED/' debian/changelog - probably | 11:36 |
| dholbach | :) | 11:36 |
| Fujitsu | dholbach, yeah. | 11:36 |
| Fujitsu | And drop the latest version to -0ubuntu1... | 11:36 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: in the future you might find the library-maintenance portion more manageable with dh_install and using *.install | 11:37 |
| imbrandon | unless like some upstreams use -N also then its say 0.4.4-2 becomes 0.4.4-2-0ubuntu1 right ? | 11:37 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, ^^ | 11:37 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, yes. | 11:37 |
| Fujitsu | And do we really want: | 11:37 |
| Fujitsu | Conflicts: ntfs-3g (<=20070811-BETA-1) | 11:37 |
| Fujitsu | There? | 11:37 |
| crimsun | in that case you get Hobbsee and poke upstream til upstream makes the version sane | 11:37 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 11:37 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: The makefile for the source doesn't create symlinks, and does not have an install target. | 11:38 |
| Fujitsu | Because the version wasn't released, it seems a little odd to label it as a conflict. | 11:38 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: understood, just looking over debian/rules atm | 11:38 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 11:38 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, yea so like 20070920-BETA-1-0ubuntu1 | 11:38 |
| imbrandon | ugh that ugly though | 11:38 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, so the 20070920-BETA-1 is upstream? | 11:38 |
| imbrandon | he is upstrream afaik | 11:39 |
| Fujitsu | Aha! | 11:39 |
| Fujitsu | Nice. | 11:39 |
| imbrandon | erm maybe not | 11:40 |
| imbrandon | wow ok looking at the upsream version numbers this package is actualy all wrong ( versioning wise ) ..... *looks* | 11:41 |
| givre | Fujitsu: conflicts was due to a change inthe packaging in 20070811-BETA-1, so it was important to put it for my repo | 11:41 |
| givre | imbrandon: i'm not upstream, but i'm in contact with | 11:41 |
| givre | Fujitsu: i think the best should be simply to do a new version with only the edgy version in changelog | 11:42 |
| Fujitsu | givre, yes, and eliminating the Conflict. | 11:42 |
| Fujitsu | And I don't see the point of README.Debian. | 11:42 |
| imbrandon | hrm looks like it needs to be ntfs-3g_2006.09.20-0ubuntu1 | 11:43 |
| givre | Fujitsu: right i'll do that | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfs-3g-download.html going by upstream | 11:43 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks, imbrandon. | 11:43 |
| Fujitsu | So, to summarise ('cause I can't comment on REVU): | 11:43 |
| Fujitsu | * Version number is wrong | 11:43 |
| Fujitsu | * Changelog wants redoing | 11:44 |
| Fujitsu | * Remove Conflicts from debian/control... | 11:44 |
| Fujitsu | * README.Debian is a little pointless. | 11:44 |
| Fujitsu | I think that's about it. | 11:44 |
| imbrandon | yea if this package isnt native ( its not ) the cahngelog only needs to be "initial release " | 11:45 |
| imbrandon | changelog* | 11:45 |
| givre | imbrandon: the thing is upstream version is ntfs-3g-20070920-BETA | 11:45 |
| Fujitsu | givre, will upstream every have a non-date-based release? | 11:46 |
| imbrandon | all of them are beta, they ahvent come out of that phase, they version by date ( your going off the tarbal name ) | 11:46 |
| Fujitsu | *ever | 11:46 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, if they ever release a non-date-based one, 20070920 is going to be greater than it. | 11:46 |
| givre | Fujitsu: he want to change that in the future, but not yet | 11:47 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, they havent so far, but thats where epocs come in | 11:47 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, I've never looked into epochs myself. | 11:47 |
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| Fujitsu | Any REVU admins around? | 11:47 |
| imbrandon | givre, btw that tarbal is misnumbered ( its not 2007 yet ) | 11:48 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: (perhaps siretart) | 11:48 |
| cbx33 | Fujitsu: I could comment but I don;t have my login details | 11:48 |
| cbx33 | not here anyway ;) | 11:48 |
| Fujitsu | siretart, ping. | 11:48 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks, imbrandon. | 11:48 |
| Fujitsu | Oops, crimsun. | 11:48 |
| imbrandon | fujitsu basicly the shor story is 1:1.0 > 20060927 | 11:48 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, I realise. | 11:48 |
| Fujitsu | Otherwise there'd be no point to them :) | 11:49 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 11:49 |
| givre | imbrandon: i'm not sure but i think he made a mistake in the first release and don't want to change it back to not conflicts with older version | 11:50 |
| cbx33 | Fujitsu: I can get my pass for REVU did you want me to add those comments | 11:50 |
| imbrandon | anyhow givre they misnumbers the tarbal and http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfs-3g-download.html on that page but the actualy program number is the date in 2006 | 11:50 |
| Fujitsu | cbx33, don't bother, I've given them to givre here, so it's not important. | 11:50 |
| cbx33 | ok np | 11:50 |
| imbrandon | i already did it cbx33 | 11:51 |
| imbrandon | err Fujitsu | 11:51 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks :) | 11:52 |
| givre | imbrandon: so do you think i should name it 20070920-BETA-1-0ubuntu1 20060920-BETA-1-0ubuntu1 or 20060920-1-0ubuntu1 | 11:52 |
| imbrandon | 2006.09.20-0ubuntu1 | 11:52 |
| Plug | 1.0+20060920-0ubuntu1 ? | 11:53 |
| cbx33 | imbrandon: is there a way we can change out REVU passwords? | 11:53 |
| Fujitsu | Plug, I think that might be better. | 11:53 |
| imbrandon | cbx33, no ;( | 11:53 |
| Fujitsu | At least, the dots in imbrandon's shouldn't be there. | 11:53 |
| imbrandon | Plug, no becouse it might not be released as 1.0 | 11:53 |
| imbrandon | it might get released as 0.5 | 11:53 |
| imbrandon | you have to follow upstream | 11:53 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, that's a good point. | 11:54 |
| Fujitsu | So 20060920-0ubuntu1 | 11:54 |
| Plug | True, another number than 1.0 might also suffice then | 11:54 |
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| imbrandon | why any at all, follow upstream IF they release a numbered version use an epoc , thats what they are made for | 11:54 |
| cbx33 | now I am a MOTU, does this mean I can advocate pacakges? | 11:54 |
| Fujitsu | cbx33, once an admin enables it. | 11:55 |
| givre | imbrandon: so i have to follow upstream but correct his mistake ( wrong date) ? | 11:55 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, yeah. | 11:55 |
| Plug | if you can, look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3262 ;) | 11:55 |
| imbrandon | cbx33, if you have spoke to a revu admin yes ;) | 11:55 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: done, thanks. | 11:56 |
| imbrandon | Plug, yes i have it building now | 11:56 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: Thank you. | 11:56 |
| Plug | imbrandon: indeed - thank you - but I believe I need 2, and the more feedback the better! | 11:56 |
| imbrandon | givre, yea thats just a mistake in the TARBAL NAME, if you look at the actual release numbers on the downloads page and the changelog | 11:56 |
| imbrandon | thats what to go by | 11:57 |
| cbx33 | imbrandon: so do you mean...for every package....once a REVU admin is happy then I can advocate...or just to tell a revu admin I am a motu now? | 11:57 |
| imbrandon | cbx33, the latter | 11:57 |
| givre | imbrandon: ok, thanks | 11:57 |
| imbrandon | once you have been "upgraded" on revu you can, its not automagic /yet/ | 11:58 |
| cbx33 | thanks imbrandon | 11:58 |
| Plug | Is Launchpad mooted to have revu-like capacity at any stage in the future? | 11:59 |
| imbrandon | someday ;) | 11:59 |
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| xopher | How does apt handle version numbers, which is considered newer: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-generic-2.6.17_2.6.17.5-5 or ..5-5.1 ? | 12:11 |
| Plug | dpkg --compare-versions iirc | 12:11 |
| Plug | "man dpkg" tells you | 12:11 |
| xopher | ok, thanks | 12:12 |
| Plug | hmm, that tells you how to test, but doesn't say why | 12:12 |
| Hobbsee | what are the two version numbers? | 12:12 |
| xopher | 2.6.17-10-generic-2.6.17.5-5 and 2.6.17-10-generic-2.6.17.5-5.1 | 12:13 |
| cbx33 | imbrandon: for some reason I already have the advocate capability | 12:13 |
| Hobbsee | xopher: the latter is greater | 12:14 |
| imbrandon | xopher, " dpkg --compare-versions 2.6.17-10-generic-2.6.17.5-5 gt 2.6.17-10-generic-2.6.17.5-5.1 && echo yes " | 12:14 |
| xopher | allright, thanks | 12:14 |
| TheMuso | Wow. Another kernel. | 12:15 |
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| Plug | imbrandon: thanks! | 12:28 |
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| Fujitsu | motu: O | 12:30 |
| Fujitsu | *:O | 12:30 |
| siretart | Fujitsu: pong | 12:30 |
| Fujitsu | siretart, hi. I'm a MOTU now, can my REVU account please be modified to exhibit such capabilities? | 12:31 |
| Fujitsu | (william.grant@ubuntu.com.au) | 12:31 |
| StevenK | Fujitsu: When did you get MOTU? | 12:32 |
| Fujitsu | StevenK, this morning at about 6:20 :) | 12:32 |
| cbx33 | siretart: mine too if you have time | 12:32 |
| StevenK | Fujitsu: Nice! Congrats. | 12:32 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks :) | 12:32 |
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| siretart | Fujitsu: cbx33 congrats! | 12:33 |
| siretart | cbx33: your revu id? | 12:33 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks siretart :) | 12:33 |
| cbx33 | petesavage@ubuntu.com | 12:33 |
| === Fujitsu attacks StevenK. | ||
| === StevenK wards it off easily. | ||
| Fujitsu | True, with your uber-DD powers. | 12:33 |
| siretart | done (both) | 12:34 |
| === StevenK buggers out into the repainted big blue room. | ||
| Fujitsu | siretart, thanks :) | 12:34 |
| === siretart wants DD powers as well! | ||
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| imbrandon | me 3 | 12:34 |
| cbx33 | thankx siretart | 12:34 |
| StevenK | siretart: I know a good plastic surgeon... | 12:34 |
| siretart | StevenK: oh. sounds promising | 12:34 |
| imbrandon | lol | 12:34 |
| Hobbsee | hmm? | 12:35 |
| givr1 | imbrandon, Fujitsu : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3263 ;) | 12:39 |
| Fujitsu | givr1, noted, I'm about to advocate. | 12:39 |
| Fujitsu | givr1, I hate to say it... | 12:43 |
| Fujitsu | But it looks fine! | 12:43 |
| givr1 | Fujitsu: thanks | 12:44 |
| givr1 | Fujitsu: why hate ? | 12:44 |
| Fujitsu | Who knows :P | 12:44 |
| Fujitsu | Advocated on REVU. Now you just need to find somebody else. | 12:45 |
| givr1 | Fujitsu: ok, many thanks | 12:46 |
| Fujitsu | No problem :) | 12:47 |
| givr1 | dholbach, imbrandon : ^^^ ;) | 12:47 |
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| imbrandon | givr1, sorry was afk, looking now | 12:48 |
| Plug | Fujitsu: you can advocate now! Maaaaaaaaaaate! :) | 12:50 |
| Fujitsu | Plug, true. I'll have a look at -pptp. | 12:50 |
| Plug | cheers | 12:52 |
| imbrandon | givr1, uploaded | 12:52 |
| Plug | (cutting it rather fine!) I'm off to bed | 12:52 |
| givr1 | imbrandon, Fujitsu :great. Many thanks guys :) | 12:55 |
| Fujitsu | No problem, givr1. Thankyou for putting in the work to package it! | 12:55 |
| imbrandon | givr1, thanks for the package, ok i'm off to bed soon gnight fellas | 12:56 |
| Fujitsu | Goodnight, imbrandon. | 12:56 |
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| imbrandon | Fujitsu, and btw , shiney new kernel just for you ( -10-generic ) | 12:57 |
| imbrandon | heh | 12:57 |
| Fujitsu | :P | 12:57 |
| dholbach | imbrandon: rock on | 12:57 |
| dholbach | givr1: way to go! | 12:57 |
| imbrandon | hehe gnight dholbach | 12:57 |
| lastnode | can someone point me to the MOTU python packaging policy? | 12:58 |
| lastnode | (i've seen the deb py policy, i was wondering if MOTU has other requirements) | 12:59 |
| Fujitsu | lastnode, nope, just the Debian one. | 12:59 |
| lastnode | Fujitsu, thanks a lot. | 12:59 |
| Fujitsu | No problem. | 12:59 |
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| lastnode | Fujitsu, just reading the policy doc here, and is it necessary to bytecompile py modules? or is that just an option? | 01:02 |
| lastnode | (using python-support/central) | 01:03 |
| Fujitsu | lastnode, I believe it's optional, but I couldn't be sure. | 01:03 |
| lastnode | ok, much thanks again, Fujitsu | 01:06 |
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| phanatic | good afternoon | 01:18 |
| Fujitsu | Hi phanatic. | 01:18 |
| phanatic | hey Fujitsu | 01:18 |
| phanatic | Fujitsu: congrats for -dev ;) | 01:19 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks :) | 01:19 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 01:34 |
| Fujitsu | Hi bddebian | 01:35 |
| bddebian | Heya Mr. MOTU :-) | 01:35 |
| Fujitsu | Heya Mr. Hon. God :-) | 01:35 |
| bddebian | Hon? | 01:37 |
| Fujitsu | Honourable. | 01:37 |
| bddebian | Ahh :-) | 01:37 |
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| \sh | moins | 01:51 |
| Fujitsu | Hey \sh. | 01:52 |
| Hobbsee | hey \sh | 01:52 |
| bddebian | Hi \sh | 01:53 |
| Riddell | \sh: have you heard from amu at all recently? | 01:56 |
| \sh | Riddell: he is behind me | 01:57 |
| Riddell | oh, cool :) | 01:57 |
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| \sh | I told him to come | 01:57 |
| Riddell | \sh: can you ask him if he got my e-mail, I'd like to sort out the issue with his shop before someone gets upset | 01:58 |
| \sh | done...he will connect in a few | 01:59 |
| \sh | hey ogra | 01:59 |
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| \sh | did I already say that I dislike SLES10? | 02:00 |
| === ogra waves at Hobbsee :) | ||
| Hobbsee | :) | 02:00 |
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| dholbach | any other good candidates for getting uploaded? | 02:03 |
| dholbach | I added some comments to gnomescan yesterday | 02:03 |
| dholbach | some of them should be easy to fix | 02:03 |
| cbx33 | dholbach: thanks for the comments on grasynco | 02:05 |
| cbx33 | I'll get that fixed up for edgy + 1 | 02:05 |
| dholbach | can't we get that fixed for edgy? :) | 02:05 |
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| cbx33 | not much point really | 02:05 |
| cbx33 | or | 02:05 |
| cbx33 | hmm no | 02:05 |
| dholbach | ok | 02:06 |
| cbx33 | because it would need to update the latest edgy +1 cd isos | 02:06 |
| ogra | dholbach, its a tool to download milestone releases :) | 02:06 |
| dholbach | and i looked at firefox-launchpad-ingetragion | 02:06 |
| dholbach | or whatever it was called | 02:06 |
| dholbach | it'd be nice to get it renamed, to not clash with LPI | 02:06 |
| dholbach | but apart from that it was good to go | 02:06 |
| dholbach | ok | 02:06 |
| ogra | dholbach, not much point fixing it one day before beta i guess :) | 02:06 |
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| dholbach | edgy users could download edgy+1 isos | 02:07 |
| dholbach | bye Fujitsu | 02:07 |
| cbx33 | hmmm true | 02:07 |
| Fujitsu | See ya, dholbach | 02:07 |
| cbx33 | but we don;t know what format the edgy + 1 archive will take | 02:07 |
| cbx33 | could be some name changes | 02:07 |
| lionelp | dholbach: I renamed my firefox-launchpad-integration | 02:10 |
| dholbach | lionelp: ROCK ON | 02:11 |
| dholbach | lionelp: will look into getting it uploaded later | 02:11 |
| dholbach | i'll be out for lunch now | 02:11 |
| dholbach | but the packaging looked good | 02:11 |
| lionelp | np | 02:11 |
| dholbach | so bribe somebody else into lookint at it in the meantime ;-) | 02:11 |
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| dholbach | see you later! | 02:11 |
| lionelp | thanks | 02:11 |
| dholbach | anytime | 02:11 |
| lionelp | somone to have a look on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3254 ? (firefox-launchpad-plugin) | 02:12 |
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| lionelp | bddebian ? | 02:14 |
| === pygi looks | ||
| pygi | lionelp: is this some kind of firefox plugin? | 02:22 |
| lionelp | yes | 02:22 |
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| lionelp | it adds in quick search fields search on launchpad | 02:22 |
| lionelp | this is not an extension (in Firefox words) | 02:22 |
| pygi | hm, perhaps you should note the depend on firefox by version because firefox sometimes breaks compatibility? | 02:23 |
| pygi | ah | 02:23 |
| pygi | lionelp: thought it was regular extension, sorry | 02:23 |
| pygi | homepage seems non-reachable :P | 02:24 |
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| lionelp | It is a blank page | 02:24 |
| lionelp | I have to change it (my own website) | 02:24 |
| lionelp | I'll do it :) | 02:25 |
| pygi | seems nice otherwise :) | 02:25 |
| lionelp | cool :) | 02:25 |
| pygi | at least by quick looking over it :p | 02:26 |
| lastnode | im trying to wrap my head around packaging. if im packaging an app that uses an interpreted language like python, i dont need /debian/rules do i? | 02:28 |
| Adri2000 | how debdiff should be named ? | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | Adri2000: doesnt matter | 02:31 |
| Adri2000 | ok | 02:31 |
| Adri2000 | Hobbsee: W: gtodo source: changelog-should-mention-nmu | 02:32 |
| Adri2000 | W: gtodo source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.14+cvs20050820-2ubuntu1 | 02:32 |
| Adri2000 | can i ignore or not ? | 02:32 |
| ogra | you can | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | you can ignore both of those warnings - they're debian specific | 02:32 |
| ogra | ubuntu has no NMUs | 02:32 |
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| ogra | gah | 02:33 |
| ogra | evil you | 02:33 |
| ogra | :) | 02:33 |
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| Hobbsee | ogra: muhahahha. that's definetly me. | 02:33 |
| sivang | lastnode: you do need one. all packages require this file. | 02:34 |
| lastnode | sivang, ok, thanks | 02:35 |
| Adri2000 | http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/gtodo_0.14+cvs20050820-2ubuntu1.debdiff < does it look good? | 02:36 |
| Adri2000 | i don't know where these two lines come from: | 02:36 |
| Adri2000 | only in patch2: | 02:36 |
| Adri2000 | unchanged: | 02:36 |
| ajmitch | evening all | 02:37 |
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| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 02:39 |
| === ajmitch shouldn't go on irc just before bed | ||
| crimsun | hah. Just converted this Java assignment to both Python /and/ Ruby. | 02:39 |
| ajmitch | well done crimsun | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | hey ajmitch | 02:43 |
| ajmitch | hi Hobbsee | 02:43 |
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| Adri2000 | can someone check my debdiff please? | 02:45 |
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| seaLne | can someone remind me how to do a sync request? | 02:51 |
| Adri2000 | report a bug | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: use the request sync script on DeveloperResources | 02:53 |
| Adri2000 | but universe freeze is tomorrow | 02:54 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if the sync requests have to be in by then, or the syncs have to be done by then. | ||
| pygi | Hobbsee: well, after tommorow, you'll need Universe exception I take it | 02:55 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm | 02:56 |
| StevenK | Correct. | 02:56 |
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| ajmitch | Hobbsee: afaik they'll try & clear backlog of syncs that were filed beforehand | 02:59 |
| ajmitch | going from what happened with dapper | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: oh good | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | if not, you'll find out :) | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | then i'll whinge | 03:04 |
| seaLne | Hobbsee: the script dosen't try to use your local mailserver which seems strange and breaks therefore for me | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: the new one uses the ubuntu default one, yes. | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: you can change it though | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | or just do it manually | 03:10 |
| seaLne | just send a mail with that content? | 03:11 |
| seaLne | does a motu need to confirm it? | 03:14 |
| seaLne | Bug #62615 | 03:14 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 62615 in sleuthkit "Please sync sleuthkit (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62615 | 03:14 |
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| seaLne | it builds fine | 03:16 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee, seaLne, fancy revuing this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3264 ? | 03:22 |
| === pygi will also look | ||
| lupine_85 | ooooooh does that work? ;) | 03:25 |
| ajmitch | no way I'm reviewing anything right now, it's way past my bedtime :) | 03:25 |
| lupine_85 | hehe | 03:26 |
| === Hobbsee wonders what the star in debian/control is for | ||
| lupine_85 | it's half 2 in the afternoon here | 03:26 |
| lupine_85 | so... the magical incantation: "fancy revuing this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3211 ?" ;) | 03:27 |
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| seaLne | Hobbsee: *? | 03:28 |
| pygi | seaLne: ah, nothing, in the description :) | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: yes | 03:29 |
| seaLne | where? | 03:29 |
| pygi | Tonio_: you have probably un-needed "*" in description in debian/control :) | 03:29 |
| seaLne | oh found it | 03:29 |
| pygi | http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/knetstats-0609270920/knetstats-1.6/debian/control | 03:29 |
| seaLne | Hobbsee: do sync requests need a motu ack? | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: yep | 03:30 |
| pygi | seaLne: two acks I take it | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | no, just one | 03:30 |
| pygi | Hobbsee: ok, oki :P | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | and to follow the policy | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | pygi: humyeah true, I'll change before upload | 03:30 |
| dholbach | how's the REVUing going? | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | posted on ubuntu-devel-announce | 03:30 |
| seaLne | Hobbsee: fancy looking at Bug #62615 ? | 03:30 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 62615 in sleuthkit "Please sync sleuthkit (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62615 | 03:30 |
| pygi | Tonio_: otherwise seems fine for me (Disclaimer: I'm NOT motu) | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | pygi: thanks | 03:31 |
| seaLne | pbuilding knetstats just now | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: builds and installs fine? | 03:31 |
| seaLne | yep | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: looks good to me too, apart from the aforementioned star. | 03:31 |
| pygi | Tonio_: the "." should probably be at the end of sentence, and not in new line also :P | 03:31 |
| seaLne | that is a formating thing for control files | 03:32 |
| pygi | ergh,right | 03:32 |
| pygi | sorry :) | 03:32 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee great, can you comment on revu ? I'll fix the start before upload | 03:32 |
| pygi | me has some problems with his system :( | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: done | 03:32 |
| pygi | Tonio_: just ignoreme :) | 03:33 |
| seaLne | ta | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: done | 03:34 |
| Tonio_ | pygi: hehe :) | 03:34 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee thanks, I'm just waiting for sealne | 03:34 |
| seaLne | i'm not a motu | 03:34 |
| Tonio_ | argh.... | 03:34 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 03:34 |
| seaLne | sorry | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:35 |
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| seaLne | but i can confirm it works well for me | 03:37 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee just reuploaded so that you can advocate | 03:37 |
| lupine_85 | *ooooh a bug in rutilt | 03:38 |
| === lupine_85 fixes | ||
| seaLne | i wonder how it decides what bw is the top of the applet | 03:38 |
| === Hobbsee waits for it to hit | ||
| Adri2000 | Hobbsee: can you look at bug #48628 and see if the debdiff is good | 03:38 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 48628 in gtodo "gtodo.desktop: Missing Encoding Directive" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/48628 | 03:38 |
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| Hobbsee | er, you've just moved the encoding bit up? | 03:40 |
| Adri2000 | yep :p | 03:40 |
| Adri2000 | not really difficult to did but it fixes the problem | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm okay | 03:42 |
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| Adri2000 | you can pbuild it to check, it is not very long to build | 03:45 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: just waiting for a "yes" ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3264 | 03:45 |
| Adri2000 | Hobbsee: then is it ok to upload? | 03:45 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: done :) | 03:46 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i just refreshed it | 03:46 |
| Hobbsee | Adri2000: poke Tonio_, i'm not uploading at this time of night :P | 03:46 |
| Hobbsee | unless i absolutely have to | 03:46 |
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| Adri2000 | Hobbsee: heh :p i didn't realized, it's afternoon here | 03:48 |
| Adri2000 | Tonio_: ? ;-) | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | oh gosh, i love bugs like this. https://launchpad.net/bugs/62618 | 03:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 62618 in kdeartwork "edgy default purple color ugly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 03:49 |
| pygi | Hobbsee: lol | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | a) it's in the wrong package. b) it's a design issue, not everyone likes everything c) it's very easy for the user to change d) see point b) | 03:50 |
| Hobbsee | can someone else reject that? | 03:50 |
| lupine_85 | purple ++ ; | 03:50 |
| lupine_85 | * ;) | 03:50 |
| Hobbsee | exactly :) | 03:52 |
| lupine_85 | brown -- though | 03:53 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: why don't you reject it? | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: i did. i was trying to think of a way to do it diplomatically | 03:54 |
| Tonio_ | Adri2000: yep ? | 03:54 |
| lupine_85 | oh, my. revu + F5 is bad | 03:55 |
| Adri2000 | Tonio_: bug 48628, look at the debdiff i posted, if it's ok for you, can you upload ? | 03:55 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 48628 in gtodo "gtodo.desktop: Missing Encoding Directive" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/48628 | 03:55 |
| Tonio_ | Adri2000: yep, look okay, but I will not upload for dapper, only edgy. | 03:56 |
| Tonio_ | Adri2000: I'm building and if it is ok, uploading | 03:56 |
| Adri2000 | ok | 03:57 |
| Tonio_ | Adri2000: you should ping the debian maintainer to add the patch, since this package is synced | 04:00 |
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| Adri2000 | Tonio_: ok, i will email him | 04:01 |
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| Adri2000 | Tonio_: hum are you sure the problem occurs also in debian? because the adding of "X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=gtodo" seems ubuntu specific | 04:03 |
| Tonio_ | hum indeed :) | 04:03 |
| Tonio_ | Adri2000: uploaded | 04:08 |
| Adri2000 | :-) thank you | 04:09 |
| Tonio_ | Adri2000: de rien :) | 04:09 |
| Adri2000 | ah ! franais ;) | 04:10 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: you like stupid bugs ? | 04:14 |
| Tonio_ | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/62291 | 04:14 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 62291 in kdebase "Image from removable device set as background not kept" [Unknown,Confirmed] | 04:14 |
| Tonio_ | this one is *very* stupid too :) | 04:15 |
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| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ooh, lovely. i vaguely remember seeing that. we really do need a response for "your bug is stupid. try "no"." - but i havent seen one that's diplomatic | 04:15 |
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| lupine_85 | oooh, I don't know. | 04:18 |
| lupine_85 | suppose <someone> could add a dialogue box that asks them if they want to copy to ~ if the path is /media | 04:19 |
| seaLne | maybe we should have a special list of bugs that we keep for when we are in a bad mood to answer :) | 04:19 |
| lupine_85 | but yeah, a bit silly ;) | 04:19 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: the list would get far too long. | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: and my patience isnt that good. | 04:20 |
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| fbond | anyone know: | 04:23 |
| fbond | using cdbs-edit-patch, whitespace in my debian/rules file is causing diff command to fail | 04:23 |
| seaLne | anyone fancy looking at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3268 ? i'm not sure about the last thing in lintian | 04:23 |
| fbond | I can remove whitespace: DEB_TAR_SRCDIR := snd-8 => DEB_TAR_SRCDIR :=snd-8 | 04:23 |
| fbond | But it seems like the situation shouldn't be that fragile? | 04:23 |
| fbond | Is this a bug in cdbs-edit-patch? | 04:23 |
| fbond | Or a bug in (gasp) make ? | 04:24 |
| lfittl | seaLne: sleuthkit should be in Build-Depends-Indep | 04:24 |
| seaLne | lfittl: with the others as is? | 04:25 |
| lfittl | yep, although I am not completly sure about dpatch | 04:26 |
| seaLne | lfittl: actually can yu clarify what you just said as i misread it and now it dosen't make sense to me, did you mean the other way round? | 04:26 |
| lfittl | sure :) | 04:26 |
| seaLne | Build-Depends-Indep: debhelper (>> 5.0.0), dpatch | 04:26 |
| seaLne | Build-Depends: sleuthkit | 04:26 |
| seaLne | ? | 04:26 |
| lfittl | exactly | 04:26 |
| lfittl | argh | 04:27 |
| lfittl | no | 04:27 |
| lfittl | swap Build-Depends-Indep and Build-Depends ;) | 04:27 |
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| seaLne | then it complains with a different error | 04:27 |
| lfittl | hrmm | 04:27 |
| seaLne | http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/autopsy-0609271015/lintian | 04:27 |
| lfittl | mom, will take a closer look at it | 04:28 |
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| lfittl | Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 5.0.0), dpatch | 04:31 |
| lfittl | Build-Depends-Indep: sleuthkit | 04:31 |
| lfittl | seaLne: ^ | 04:32 |
| lfittl | works for me | 04:32 |
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| seaLne | lfittl: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3271 | 04:41 |
| seaLne | lintian still seems unhapy | 04:41 |
| lfittl | seaLne: because you have dpatch and debhelper in build-depends-indep, they should be in build-depends and sleuthkit should be in build-depends-indep | 04:42 |
| Adri2000 | Tonio_: the new release should appear in launchpad first ? | 04:42 |
| seaLne | lfittl: arrrggggg :) | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Adri2000: yeah, you should see the source package before it gets built | 04:43 |
| Adri2000 | ok | 04:44 |
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| seaLne | lfittl: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3272 | 04:46 |
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| lfittl | :) | 04:47 |
| lfittl | seaLne: you should also mention that change in debian/changelog | 04:48 |
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| seaLne | lfittl: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3273 | 04:56 |
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| lfittl | seaLne: looks good, will upload in ~ 10 min | 05:03 |
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| seaLne | lfittl: thanks for your help | 05:05 |
| lfittl | no problem ;) | 05:05 |
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| lfittl | seaLne: uploaded | 05:08 |
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| lionelp | lfittl: could you review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3254 ? | 05:32 |
| lfittl | lionelp: sure | 05:33 |
| lionelp | thanks :) | 05:33 |
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| lfittl | lionelp: why are you removing *.old and debootstrap-dir on clean? | 05:36 |
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| lionelp | lfittl: should be the result of a copy-paste | 05:38 |
| lionelp | it is useless, that's true | 05:38 |
| lfittl | ah, ok, removing the useless stuff from debian/rules is still nice ;) | 05:38 |
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| lfittl | also, .PHONY lists the checkroot target, which doesn't exist, and the build-stamp target is not creating the file build-stamp | 05:39 |
| lfittl | and build should not depend on install, instead binary-indep should depend on build and install | 05:40 |
| lionelp | lfittl: ok, modified | 05:43 |
| lfittl | :) | 05:43 |
| lionelp | What the .PHONY line used for ? | 05:43 |
| lfittl | normally each target is used to create the file that corresponds to its name, .PHONY says that all the targets it depends on have nothing to do with files | 05:46 |
| lionelp | Oki, thansk ! | 05:47 |
| lfittl | -> http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Phony-Targets.html for further information ;) | 05:47 |
| lionelp | lfittl: something to add before I upload it again ? | 05:47 |
| lfittl | no looks good, but haven't tested it yet, will do a quick build + test | 05:48 |
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| dholbach | lionelp, lfittl: I'll give my ok later on, after a quick walk | 05:51 |
| dholbach | bbl | 05:51 |
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| lfittl | lionelp: one last thing, maybe Section: web fits better than base | 05:52 |
| lionelp | lfittl: changed :) | 05:52 |
| lfittl | :) | 05:52 |
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| lfittl | lionelp: works, and is useful too, nice work | 05:58 |
| lionelp | lfittl: thanks, but it was not a lot of work :) | 05:58 |
| lfittl | yet another thing I just saw, the description has a Homepage listed, but the page seems to be empty | 05:59 |
| lionelp | lfittl: yes, this is my homepage, I will add something ASAP | 06:00 |
| lionelp | at least a link to the sources | 06:00 |
| lfittl | ah, ok | 06:00 |
| lionelp | or you prefer I delete it ? | 06:00 |
| lfittl | no, if you add something soon its no problem | 06:01 |
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| lionelp | Ok, uploading with your remarks | 06:03 |
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| lionelp | lfittl: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3274 | 06:06 |
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| lfittl | lionelp: build-stamp should not be in .PHONY, debootstrap-dir shouldn't be removed on clean and install target should depend on build, sry to be so picky, but getting debian/rules right is always a good thing to have | 06:10 |
| lfittl | *install should depend on build instead of build-stamp | 06:11 |
| lfittl | but after fixing these little things, it is ready to be uploaded :) | 06:12 |
| lionelp | lfittl: no pb for beeing so picky, it like that I will learn ! | 06:12 |
| lfittl | good | 06:13 |
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| lionelp | lfittl: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3275 | 06:16 |
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| lfittl | lionelp: uploaded :) | 06:19 |
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| lionelp | \o/ | 06:20 |
| lionelp | thank you very much lfittl | 06:20 |
| lfittl | no problem | 06:20 |
| lfittl | anybody else in need of a package review? | 06:20 |
| sivang | lionelp: going to install this once it built | 06:20 |
| superm1 | yes | 06:21 |
| superm1 | i uploaded backstep last night | 06:21 |
| superm1 | and looking for revu | 06:21 |
| lionelp | sivang: cool :) | 06:21 |
| lfittl | superm1: will take a look | 06:22 |
| lupine_85 | lfittl: me :) | 06:22 |
| superm1 | Thx. | 06:22 |
| mario_ | superm1: I can help you with looking over package, link pls? | 06:22 |
| mario_ | sivang: how goes db2? :) | 06:22 |
| lfittl | lupine_85: revu link? | 06:22 |
| superm1 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3258 | 06:22 |
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| lupine_85 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3266 | 06:23 |
| lfittl | lupine_85: will review it after being finished with backstep | 06:24 |
| lupine_85 | ok :) | 06:24 |
| lupine_85 | my first package btw so be gentle ;) | 06:24 |
| sivang | mario_: not using your nick anymore? :) | 06:24 |
| mario_ | sivang: I'm getting dc'ed every several seconds due to this damn adsl connection!!! | 06:24 |
| sivang | mario_: I see | 06:25 |
| mario_ | sivang: so no point in killing ghosts :) | 06:25 |
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| sivang | mario_: right. | 06:26 |
| mario_ | I know it'll be good :) | 06:26 |
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| lfittl | superm1: debian/dirs is not needed, as the directories should be created by $(MAKE) install | 06:27 |
| superm1 | k | 06:27 |
| lfittl | superm1: newest standards version is 3.7.2, and if you don't intend to backport the package to dapper, you should use debhelper level 5 | 06:28 |
| pygi | when is universe freeze exactly? | 06:29 |
| lfittl | tomorrow, approx. at 1400 UTC | 06:29 |
| superm1 | okay. i can take care of those things then | 06:30 |
| superm1 | anything else? | 06:30 |
| lfittl | not finished yet ;) | 06:30 |
| superm1 | :) | 06:30 |
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| lfittl | superm1: please include the full license header that is written in the header files in debian/copyright, also you should mention the Copyright | 06:35 |
| lfittl | s/header files/source files/ | 06:35 |
| superm1 | so i should just copy it verbatim from the license shipped with the package then? | 06:36 |
| lfittl | if all files have the same license, just copy the license header from one of them, for example src/daemon.c | 06:36 |
| superm1 | Ok. Yes, they should all be under GPLv2 | 06:37 |
| lfittl | just format it a little bit nicer, e.g. remove the * comment markes at the beginning, but keep the text | 06:37 |
| lfittl | why? | 06:37 |
| lfittl | the source files seem to mention gplv2 and later | 06:37 |
| superm1 | oh, and later? | 06:38 |
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| superm1 | i'll have to double check then | 06:38 |
| lfittl | yep, debian/copyright is important, there should be no errors there | 06:38 |
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| dholbach | lionelp: congratulations on firefox-launchpad! | 06:44 |
| dholbach | lfittl: thanks | 06:44 |
| superm1 | using "head -n 7 *.c | more", it looks like the headers for all the source files are identical. I'll just copy one of them then. | 06:44 |
| lfittl | dholbach: no problem, getting at least those who are interested in their packages done before UniverseFreeze seems important to me | 06:45 |
| dholbach | to me too | 06:45 |
| lfittl | fine, then you can continue with reviewing http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3266 :P | 06:46 |
| lfittl | mmh, if only my own todo list before freeze would be shorter (ogre update, glest upload, and some debian syncs) | 06:47 |
| dholbach | glest! | 06:47 |
| dholbach | gelst! | 06:47 |
| dholbach | glest! | 06:47 |
| lfittl | heh | 06:47 |
| dholbach | we sitll have time for syncs | 06:47 |
| lfittl | really? := | 06:47 |
| lfittl | :) | 06:47 |
| dholbach | we can consider uvf exceptions for those | 06:47 |
| dholbach | sure | 06:47 |
| dholbach | that depends of course, but still | 06:47 |
| lupine_85 | hehe, 3266 is tiny :) | 06:48 |
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| lfittl | glest is easy, the debian pkg-games team has finished the work started on REVU, so it was just a matter of fixing a little automake problem, now I just have to do a quick test build ;) | 06:48 |
| dholbach | that's cool | 06:48 |
| dholbach | glest-data is already approved | 06:48 |
| lfittl | yep, I know | 06:49 |
| dholbach | rock and roll | 06:49 |
| lfittl | but first, 2 package reviews, then glest ;) | 06:49 |
| bddebian | w00t, we are going to get glest? | 06:51 |
| dholbach | join the REVU crew ;) | 06:51 |
| LaserJock | what the heck is glest? | 06:51 |
| bddebian | A game | 06:51 |
| LaserJock | doh | 06:51 |
| bddebian | dholbach: Right, I haven't done anything for REVU.. | 06:51 |
| dholbach | bddebian: kidding :) | 06:52 |
| lfittl | :) | 06:52 |
| bddebian | :-) | 06:52 |
| bddebian | Though my RL work is kicking my arse so I am behind :'-( | 06:52 |
| LaserJock | bah, forget about RL, Ubuntu is all that matters ;-) | 06:53 |
| lionelp | thanks dholbach, and thanks for your help | 06:53 |
| dholbach | lionelp: not to worry | 06:53 |
| dholbach | lionelp: i enjoyed it :) | 06:53 |
| lfittl | superm1: how did you create the orig.tar.gz? (as upstream only provides .tar.bz2) | 06:56 |
| superm1 | extracted it, and recompressed it | 06:56 |
| superm1 | as tar.gz | 06:56 |
| lfittl | run bunzip2, then gzip -9, don't extract it and recompress | 06:57 |
| superm1 | wasn't really sure what to do in cases that tar.gz wasnt avail | 06:57 |
| lfittl | if its a tar.bz2 simply decompress it, and recompress the tarball | 06:57 |
| lfittl | in case of a zip you would have to completely extract it | 06:58 |
| superm1 | ok | 06:58 |
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| lfittl | superm1: if you fix all the things mentioned, well done, and it also works here :) | 06:59 |
| lionelp | dholbach: me to :) | 07:00 |
| superm1 | Ok, i'll have it up in a little bit | 07:00 |
| dholbach | lfittl: commented on rutilt | 07:00 |
| lfittl | k, just tell me when it is ready ;) | 07:00 |
| lionelp | does someone with an AMD64 could do a build test for me ? | 07:00 |
| lionelp | on this : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3207 | 07:00 |
| superm1 | I can do it for u after I fix up backstep and upload it if you'd like | 07:01 |
| lfittl | dholbach: ah, good, now I can work on glest, as you already did the first step :) | 07:01 |
| lfittl | * with reviewing rutilt | 07:01 |
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| dholbach | tsssssss :) | 07:03 |
| dholbach | lfittl: thanks Mr. Manager | 07:03 |
| lupine_85 | ah, ok :) | 07:03 |
| dholbach | lfittl: we needed a new MOTU Manager for ages | 07:03 |
| dholbach | lfittl: thanks for taking up the challenge | 07:03 |
| lfittl | hehe | 07:03 |
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| lupine_85 | apart from that, seems simple enough :) | 07:03 |
| lfittl | dholbach: a new one? who was the old one? | 07:04 |
| lupine_85 | thanks - I'll get it done ASAP | 07:04 |
| dholbach | good question :) | 07:04 |
| lfittl | :) | 07:04 |
| lfittl | MOTU manages itself, there is no need for a single manager ;) | 07:04 |
| pygi | dholbach: have a sec for me? | 07:05 |
| dholbach | pygi: fire away | 07:05 |
| lionelp | lupine_85: are you talking to me? | 07:05 |
| pygi | dholbach: when exactly tommorow is freeze? I need to get at least one package done (and possibly 6 more if I can get sources in time) | 07:06 |
| lupine_85 | to dholbach :) | 07:06 |
| dholbach | pygi: dunno yet | 07:06 |
| lfittl | pygi: somewhere I heard 1400 UTC | 07:06 |
| pygi | dholbach: aha, oki | 07:06 |
| dholbach | lupine_85: dpatch is what you probably want | 07:06 |
| pygi | thank lfittl | 07:06 |
| lupine_85 | ok | 07:07 |
| lionelp | dholbach: could you do another build test on your AMD64 for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3207 when you have a little time ? | 07:07 |
| superm1 | lonelp i just kicked it off on mine | 07:08 |
| superm1 | it built fine | 07:08 |
| lionelp | superm1: great ! | 07:09 |
| dholbach | lionelp: sure | 07:09 |
| superm1 | only one thing didnt look so good, but its not amd64 specific | 07:09 |
| superm1 | docbook2x-man debian/nagcon.1.docbook | 07:09 |
| superm1 | I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.2/docbookx.dtd | 07:09 |
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| superm1 | lfittl, uploaded the changed package. it juts upadted on the revu page, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3276 | 07:11 |
| dholbach | lionelp: builds nicely - doing a review of the rest | 07:12 |
| lionelp | dholbach: cool | 07:13 |
| lfittl | superm1: just noticed, the version number is wrong, 0.3-0ubuntu1 is the correct one | 07:15 |
| superm1 | oh even though its not coming from debian upstream? | 07:15 |
| dholbach | lionelp: looks SUPER | 07:15 |
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| dholbach | if somebody wants to pick up nagcon - go! | 07:16 |
| lionelp | thanks again dholbach! | 07:16 |
| dholbach | lionelp: anytime | 07:16 |
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| lfittl | superm1: we need ubuntu versioning so that debian people can package it too, and their package can update ours, that would be impossible if both Debian and Ubuntu would use 0.3-1 | 07:16 |
| superm1 | ah makes sense | 07:16 |
| superm1 | should i reupload with that version number then, or can you make that minor change when commiting it? | 07:17 |
| dholbach | lfittl: i'll upload gmult and change dapper -> edgy myself | 07:17 |
| lfittl | dholbach: k, same thing with cdpr, will update the standards version and upload ;) | 07:18 |
| dholbach | lfittl: ROCK | 07:19 |
| dholbach | i'll just do a quick edgy testbuild | 07:19 |
| lionelp | lfittl: you will have time to review nagcon ? | 07:20 |
| lfittl | lionelp: maybe later, have to do some own packaging work before the freeze ;) | 07:20 |
| lionelp | lfittl: sure ! | 07:21 |
| dholbach | gmult uploaded | 07:26 |
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| lupine_85 | hmmm.... | 07:29 |
| lupine_85 | how does one use dpatch to modify a file, when both the original file and the patch to be applied changes every build?! | 07:30 |
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| lupine_85 | no wait, the target (how I want the file to look) is always the same... | 07:31 |
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| lupine_85 | question - can I use debian/rules to edit debian/patches/blah ? | 07:37 |
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| dholbach | lupine_85: just add the dpatch runes to debian/rules (explained in /usr/share/doc/dpatch), then run dpatch-edit-patch 01-my-patch-that-fixes-the-world | 07:46 |
| dholbach | then do your changes (in a subshell) | 07:46 |
| dholbach | then hit ctrl-d | 07:46 |
| dholbach | then add the patch name to debian/patches/00list | 07:46 |
| dholbach | done | 07:47 |
| dholbach | :) | 07:47 |
| lupine_85 | but the file to be patched changes every build | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | how is the file generated | 07:47 |
| lupine_85 | by the configure.sh script | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | out of nothing or from a .in file? | 07:48 |
| lupine_85 | out of nothing | 07:48 |
| lupine_85 | it just uses echo | 07:48 |
| lupine_85 | I was using sed to edit the generated file directly; I was considering pointing it at the patch file | 07:48 |
| lupine_85 | don't know if that'd be "allowed" though (seems a bit pointless ;) ) | 07:48 |
| lupine_85 | the file gets removed every make clean | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | why not patch the configure.sh to make the file you want? | 07:51 |
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| lupine_85 | hmm... | 07:53 |
| lupine_85 | that could work :) | 07:53 |
| dholbach | wb hub | 07:53 |
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| lfittl | superm1: sry, totally forgot to answer you, yes please upload again with the correct version | 08:01 |
| lfittl | superm1: another thing, Depends: libgtk2.0-0 is not necessary, $(shlibs:Depends) automatically inserts it | 08:04 |
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| azeem | LaserJock: hey | 08:21 |
| azeem | LaserJock: do you have an edgy desktop? Can you tell me whether xmakemol still works fine? | 08:22 |
| azeem | LaserJock: also, I tried to quickly have a look at the bkchem python stuff last night but failed | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 08:22 |
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| LaserJock | doh | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | I didn't | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | azeem: xmakemol looks fine to me | 08:26 |
| LaserJock | I loaded a .xyz and moved it around | 08:26 |
| azeem | great | 08:27 |
| azeem | cause the current Debian version FTBFS | 08:27 |
| LaserJock | bummer | 08:27 |
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| azeem | well, we could merge the dapper Ubuntu changes I guess | 08:28 |
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| azeem | Ubuntu doesn't support OpenGL'd motif/lesstif | 08:28 |
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| superm1 | lfittl, Sorry, stepped out of the office. I fixed the version and changed that dependency, and re-uploaded. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3279 | 08:56 |
| superm1 | LaserJock, do you know if anyone else got a chance to look at mythplugins this morning after brandon did? | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | nope, sorry | 08:58 |
| superm1 | do u remember who he had asked? I don't have my log from last night on me | 08:58 |
| gnomefreak | is there any plan to include the new beta nvidia drivers in edgy or sticking with the version thats there? | 09:00 |
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| LaserJock | superm1: it was ajmitch I believe | 09:03 |
| superm1 | Ah okay. I'll watch for when ajmitch unidles then and ask him. | 09:04 |
| superm1 | Thanks. | 09:04 |
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| lfittl | I need someone to test glest packages (3d accel is not working for me atm): http://www.ixios-software.com/~lfittl/ubuntu/glest/ / http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3278 | 09:26 |
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| Lutin | Hi | 09:29 |
| Lutin | please, how can I write a debian/control file that allows two pacakges to remove each other ? | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | Lutin: how do you mean? | 09:31 |
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| Lutin | LaserJock, having foo1 and foo2 removing each other. installing foo1 removes foo2, and install foo2 removes foo1 | 09:33 |
| Lutin | how can I do that | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | Conflicts: | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | or Replaces: perhaps | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | check the Debian Policy | 09:33 |
| Lutin | ok | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | Lutin: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps | 09:34 |
| Lutin | LaserJock, thanks | 09:34 |
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| phanatic | anybody having time for a quick check? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3281 (just a new upstream version) | 09:46 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 09:53 |
| lionelp | morning ajmitch | 09:53 |
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| superm1 | lfittl, thanks for the advocating. Just need one more MOTU to approve and its in right? | 10:04 |
| superm1 | ajmitch, did you get a chance to look at mythplugins after imbrandon did? | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | no, was I expected to? | 10:04 |
| superm1 | I thought he had asked you if you could at some point...could have been someone else last night. | 10:05 |
| superm1 | i dont have the log with me here | 10:05 |
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| ajmitch | right, he did ask me, and I ended up being very busy again :) | 10:06 |
| superm1 | hehe | 10:06 |
| superm1 | well if you get a chance at some point today, can you take a look then? | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | um | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | that could be a challenge to find time | 10:07 |
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| superm1 | Ok. Well I'll keep an eye out for another free MOTU then. | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | ok, sorry about that | 10:08 |
| superm1 | Not a big deal, just trying to beat the UVF and have time to fix anything wrong before that :) | 10:08 |
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| lionelp | ping Toadstool | 10:19 |
| Toadstool | lionelp: quick pong, I am working | 10:21 |
| lionelp | arf, I was looking for a MOTU to review my package... | 10:21 |
| lionelp | no time now ? | 10:21 |
| Toadstool | not for a review, sorry | 10:21 |
| Bazzi | lionelp: try cbx33 he's motu since today | 10:22 |
| phanatic | Toadstool: for an upload maybe? :) | 10:22 |
| Toadstool | :) | 10:22 |
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| lionelp | yeah, thanks Bazzi ! | 10:22 |
| cbx33 | sorry I can't uplaod yet | 10:22 |
| lionelp | ping cbx33 | 10:22 |
| Bazzi | heh | 10:22 |
| lionelp | arf :) | 10:22 |
| cbx33 | my key needs to be signed ;) | 10:22 |
| Toadstool | phanatic: I don't upload without reviewing and pdebuilding :p | 10:22 |
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| cbx33 | phanatic, neither do I | 10:23 |
| superm1 | cbx33, would you be able to at least do a revu, and let another MOTU revu and upload later? | 10:23 |
| cbx33 | I can do a quick scan, but I'm currently in the edubuntu meeting | 10:23 |
| cbx33 | and try ing to sort out a few last minute changes | 10:23 |
| phanatic | Toadstool, cbx33: of course, of course... | 10:23 |
| superm1 | haha... Ok. Looking for a look at mythplugins | 10:24 |
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| cbx33 | looing now | 10:27 |
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| cbx33 | superm1, I'm afraid I havn't got the amoutn of time I hoped | 10:33 |
| cbx33 | I'm not toign to be able to loook at it tonight | 10:33 |
| superm1 | Oh ok. | 10:33 |
| cbx33 | sorry dude | 10:33 |
| superm1 | Not a big deal. I'll grab another MOTU when they pop around asking what needs to be looked at | 10:34 |
| cbx33 | first scan looks ok | 10:34 |
| superm1 | k, well thats good at least then | 10:34 |
| superm1 | congrats on becoming a motu btw | 10:34 |
| cbx33 | thanks superm1 | 10:38 |
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| cbx33 | superm1, have you pbuilt it yet? | 10:40 |
| superm1 | yes | 10:40 |
| ajmitch | hi Burgundavia | 10:40 |
| cbx33 | good good | 10:41 |
| superm1 | brandon took a look last night, and wanted to get another MOTU opinion about it before giving it another look and committing | 10:43 |
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| keescook | can someone upload my latest debdiff attached to bug 3616? this solves a crash and the compile failures on sparc and ppc. | 11:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 3616 in abuse-sdl "Abuse segfaults immediately on start (amd64)" [High,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/3616 | 11:02 |
| crimsun | sure | 11:03 |
| keescook | crimsun: sweet, thanks. | 11:03 |
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| pygi | Hobbsee_: ping | 11:04 |
| cbx33 | crimsun, can I pick you brains | 11:07 |
| crimsun | cbx33: sure, though I will be lagged in response (phone) | 11:09 |
| cbx33 | ok....my sound card....currently a crappy onboard NForce2 - seems to only be able to use 48000, JACK is unable to chaneg it | 11:09 |
| cbx33 | is there a way to change this as all my recordsing for the ubuntu sounds are at 44 in ardour | 11:09 |
| cbx33 | and are suffering from chipmonk syndrome | 11:10 |
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| crimsun | so -r 44100 fails? | 11:10 |
| cbx33 | well in qJACKctl I do th drop down to 22 or 44 and it still starts at 48 | 11:11 |
| cbx33 | crimsun, apparent rate = 44100 | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | creating alsa driver ... hw:0,0|hw:0,0|1024|2|44100|2|2|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | control device hw:0 | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | configuring for 44100Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | but then in qjackctl it runs at 48000 | 11:14 |
| crimsun | well, the short answer, then, is "maybe". You can try setting up a custom ~/.asoundrc with a rate parameter and then telling [q] jack[ctl] to use it, but that's not recommended. It actually looks like your hardware is locked to 48000 (quite common for via82xx and intel8x0, as in your case) | 11:14 |
| cbx33 | grrr | 11:14 |
| cbx33 | ok | 11:14 |
| crimsun | hmm | 11:15 |
| crimsun | so qjackctl is displaying two different sampling rates? | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | well in the messages it says it's running at 44 | 11:15 |
| crimsun | try passing the values to jack directly | 11:15 |
| crimsun | jackd, sorry | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | but the actual hardware monitor says it's at 48000 | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | ok | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | pygi: how's your packaging going? | 11:16 |
| cbx33 | crimsun, I never ran it manually before ;) | 11:17 |
| cbx33 | will try now | 11:17 |
| pygi | LaserJock: erhm...how do I put that.... | 11:17 |
| pygi | LaserJock: very bad? :) | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | pygi: what's happening? | 11:17 |
| cbx33 | crimsun, pete 9670 0.4 3.4 36068 36096 ? SLsl 22:17 0:00 /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -r44100 -p1024 -n2 -D -Chw:0,0 -Phw:0,0 -i2 -o2 | 11:17 |
| cbx33 | i guess that's a no | 11:17 |
| pygi | LaserJock: well, other then the fact I lost the touch and I'm useless? :) | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 11:17 |
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| LaserJock | what package are you working on? | 11:18 |
| pygi | LaserJock: brasero | 11:18 |
| pygi | LaserJock: the debian folks have some problems: | 11:18 |
| pygi | 1)the version is outdated | 11:19 |
| pygi | 2)the debian Brasero(Bonfire) maintainer sucks a lot | 11:19 |
| pygi | But seems we won't have that package for edgy after all :( | 11:19 |
| cbx33 | nope it still runs with 48000 | 11:20 |
| crimsun | cbx33: ok, just to check, what's the output from ``grep VRA /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0''? | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | you are trying to package a new upstream version? | 11:20 |
| cbx33 | hang on | 11:20 |
| pygi | LaserJock: yup, we dont have that app in Ubuntu | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | pygi: but it's in Debian? | 11:20 |
| pygi | LaserJock: read above two facts :) | 11:20 |
| cbx33 | crimsun, nothing | 11:20 |
| crimsun | cbx33: bingo. | 11:20 |
| superm1 | Laserjock would you be able to do a second revu on something lfittl revud/advocated earlier? | 11:21 |
| pygi | LaserJock: package is outdated (old version) and trust me, you dont want that package in Ubuntu | 11:21 |
| crimsun | cbx33: if the dsp supports it, you'd have something like this: | 11:21 |
| crimsun | Extended ID : codec=0 rev=1 AMAP DSA=0 VRA | 11:21 |
| crimsun | Extended status : VRA | 11:21 |
| cbx33 | looks like I need a new sound card then | 11:21 |
| cbx33 | hoo freakin ray | 11:21 |
| crimsun | unfortunately, yes | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | pygi: right, I'm just trying to understand the package history | 11:21 |
| crimsun | (on the other hand, you didn't want that onboard anyhow!) | 11:21 |
| cbx33 | with like only a few days before release | 11:21 |
| cbx33 | crimsun, true | 11:22 |
| cbx33 | but I can't afford a sound card at the mo | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | pygi: so why not do a better package and then submit that upstream when you are done? | 11:22 |
| pygi | LaserJock: I'm trying to create a better package, you know :) I'm just plainly useless and lost the touch as said above :P | 11:22 |
| geser | I'm trying to rebuild gaim-encryption against libnss from firefox. the package builds but doesn't have a depends on libnss | 11:25 |
| crimsun | cbx33: where do you guys in the UK normally buy computer hardware online? | 11:25 |
| geser | http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/3872/ shows the warnings from dh_shlibdeps from pbuilder log | 11:25 |
| geser | how do I fix this? | 11:26 |
| cbx33 | crimsun, I just used scan.co.uk | 11:26 |
| LaserJock | pygi: well, don't hesitate to ask here | 11:26 |
| cbx33 | and sometimes cclonline.com | 11:26 |
| pygi | LaserJock: trust me, today nothing can help :) | 11:26 |
| LaserJock | heh | 11:26 |
| LaserJock | you need more MOTU faith ;-) | 11:26 |
| pygi | What I believe that I need is more sleep :) | 11:27 |
| cbx33 | then sleep my friend | 11:27 |
| pygi | cbx33: can't :) | 11:28 |
| cbx33 | y? | 11:28 |
| pygi | wouldn't get anything done then :P | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | superm1: what's the URL? | 11:28 |
| superm1 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3279 | 11:29 |
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| ajmitch | pygi: sleep? nah, just fix packages | 11:32 |
| pygi | ajmitch: As I said, I WOULD if ..... | 11:32 |
| ajmitch | you shouldn't let yourself get out of touch :P | 11:33 |
| pygi | ajmitch: and then you will develop libburn instead of me if I get more up to speed with packaging, right? :) | 11:34 |
| ajmitch | of course.. | 11:36 |
| pygi | LaserJock: it's supposed to be quiet trivial actually if I could just get all the build-deps | 11:36 |
| pygi | correctly, ofcourse :) | 11:37 |
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| pygi | LaserJock: I'll try early morning tommorow, but I doubt it | 11:41 |
| pygi | ah well :) | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | pygi: should only take a few minutes :) | 11:45 |
| pygi | ajmitch: few minutes what? | 11:45 |
| ajmitch | getting all the build-deps right for a package | 11:45 |
| pygi | you get them then for me pls :) | 11:46 |
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| adolso1 | LaserJock: ping | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | adolso1: pong | 12:06 |
| adolso1 | hi.. | 12:07 |
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| adolso1 | do you have a minute to give advice? | 12:07 |
| LaserJock | sure, what do you need? | 12:08 |
| adolso1 | is there a better place to discuss this? I don't wanna pollute the motu guys' environment here | 12:08 |
| LaserJock | adolso1: if you nick is registered you can pm me | 12:09 |
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