[12:10] geser: universe security is primarily our responsibility [12:10] I just don't know who [12:10] LaserJock: not really dude [12:10] its fast enough [12:10] better things to do [12:10] etc [12:10] I remember CVEs are tracked in a special place [12:10] well, I think Kamion and Keybuk have better things to do most of the time [12:10] http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ubuntu-cve/ [12:10] LaserJock: as I said a number of times: there's plenty of people with a good understanding of the arhcive and of what consttutes good packages. [12:11] same thign at debian [12:11] LaserJock: mark isnt going to pay someone just to man the archive [12:11] it's hard with this fast of a dev cycle when you have to wait weeks for things [12:11] LaserJock: and any person with such skills can do something more useful [12:11] tseng: I'm not talking paid [12:11] sigh [12:11] impossible [12:11] ajmitch: i'm trying to rebuild php4 from debian unstable (for security fixes) but fails as it needs both libdb4.3-dev and libdb4.4-dev [12:11] tseng: I know what you mean [12:11] that only 1 or 2 new guys per decade get trusted enough to get the root they need to act is a whole other issue. [12:11] LaserJock: ask for a login to davis [12:11] LaserJock: good luck [12:11] that's what I'm saying [12:11] ajmitch: have you an idea how to proceed? [12:12] tseng: what I'm saying is I'd like to see more time put into archive admin but I don't really see that happening [12:12] geser: no, I haven't touched php4, infinity may know when he's around tomorrow === ajmitch gets back to work [12:13] LaserJock: and it so happens thta kamion and keybouck indeed are better at less boring tasks, so why not have someone else e.g. not internested in reinventing sysvinit handle NEW? [12:13] LaserJock: we could also have an art team [12:13] LaserJock: yay fantasy land [12:13] there is an art team [12:13] Q-FUNK: like who? [12:13] I'm not seeing anybody [12:13] i was subscribed to the list until a few months ago [12:13] Q-FUNK: there is a group of people who think that brown gradients are art [12:14] anyway... [12:14] yeah sorry [12:14] people got tired of jdub and jane silber constantly butting in and calling the shots, despite not contributing anything artistic. [12:14] had to do it [12:15] it'd be nice if archive admin'ing was faster [12:15] but it' [12:15] brown-- [12:15] it's not as bad as it used to be [12:15] and from my limited experience in Debian it's about on par [12:15] at least for NEW Ubuntu seems a bit faster [12:16] loads faster [12:16] i also used to subscribe to ubuntu-marketing. same issue. every time we were about to figure out a solution to something, jane silber butting in out of nowhere. [12:16] but debian doesn't have the sync thing [12:16] but right now most syncs take a couple days tops [12:16] I think [12:17] nope [12:18] at least not on my packages [12:18] LaserJock, mine regularly take a week. [12:18] it indeed was worse back when one had to nag elmo, but I cannot say it got any better now. [12:18] Q-FUNK: these are all valid points, and I wish you could have raised them at the TB meeting today (for which you applied for ubuntu-dev membership but didn't show) [12:18] Fujitsu: oh really? [12:19] yeah, a week is tough when we're up against a freeze [12:19] Yeah. [12:19] it's not bad if you are doing single packages [12:19] crimsun: I'll eventually show up :) I just cannot be everywhere at the same time. [12:19] Q-FUNK: understood :) === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@unaffiliated/lotusleaf] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] but when you have packages that depend on others ... [12:19] Fujitsu: congrats [12:19] Like, my oldest one now is from a week ago. [12:19] THanks crimsun :) [12:19] And thanks for sending in an email : [12:19] *:) [12:19] np [12:20] LaserJock, exactly, like gnome-chemistry-utils. [12:20] I was using debmirror and went to sleep and woke up and it stopped midway, is there any way to continue where I left off without starting all over again? [12:20] lotusleaf, just start it up again. [12:20] Fujitsu: it won't remove directories or anything? [12:21] I think crimsun is right, we (MOTUs) should mention this on TB meeting [12:21] No, unless they've been removed from Packages. [12:21] crimsun: I'm working on a project whose website just opened today (albeit with filler content, for now). [12:21] Fujitsu: thanks! :) [12:21] minghua, I agree too. [12:21] lotusleaf, otherwise I'd not have a mirror, mine often fails. [12:21] (maybe too late for edgy though, but at least make sure this doesn't happen again before edgy+1 freeze) [12:21] Fujitsu: whew, that's a relief to hear. ;) [12:21] crimsun: my blog on the debian planet says a bit about it. [12:21] cbx33: congrats, too [12:22] I do find it a little strange that two of the absolutely key developers are the ones spending the time doing syncs etc., when they can (and do) do better things. [12:23] it seems to be a trust issue, which I can understand [12:23] keybuck's work on startup is a reason to rejoice. as to why he ends up doign what others withotu inspiratin to code but who can tella bad package from a good one ciuld do is beynd me. [12:23] Q-FUNK's blog entry sounds just like teasing to me :-) [12:23] ;) [12:24] it was actually discussed either in #ubuntu-devel or at a TB meeting a while ago. There's soyuz work for a sync (LP) button iirc [12:24] yeah [12:24] I think that's the solution that they are waiting on [12:24] whne is soyuz going to orbit? [12:24] crimsun, they mentioned in a TB meeting in January that that was coming `soon'. [12:24] Fujitsu: good, that means by this Jan. it might happen ;-) [12:25] free software and (lack of) deadlines. *sigh* [12:25] Q-FUNK, ah, but Soyuz isn't Free. [12:25] heh [12:25] If it were, this would have been implemented months ago. [12:25] As it'd be incredibly useful. [12:25] I doubt it [12:25] [12:25] I don't think this stuff would go that much faster as open source [12:26] but I could be totally wrong [12:26] have been in the past ;-) [12:26] Having it open would allow much greater participation, I'd assume. [12:26] But that's not going to happen. [12:26] assuming be want/would work on it [12:26] i mean, what is the point of motu team being called _master_ of the universe if we have to pss thru the keybuck/kamion bottleneck? [12:27] s/be/people/ [12:27] Q-FUNK: hahaha [12:27] well, we proposed a Universe archive admin team once === Fujitsu points out planet.ubuntu.com, top post. [12:27] what is it that the team masters, exactly? [12:27] LaserJock, in the TB meeting in January, I believe. [12:27] and? [12:28] Q-FUNK: uploading, and screwing up peoples computers ;-) [12:28] But that can't happen, 'cause they access the DB raw, so no permissions. [12:28] not acceptable to the lose canons that be? [12:28] I do think there's a trust issue [12:28] fix the db, not the process. how is that hard to get? [12:28] well placed or not [12:28] LaserJock, there is certainly a trust issue. [12:29] well, the thing is they already have a solution planed (via LP) [12:29] Q-FUNK, the web frontend hasn't been developed yet... It's coming `soon'. [12:29] thanks crimsun [12:29] that's why i said that it's similar to debian putting everythign in the hand of ganneff and elmo. bottleneck. [12:29] to address that, I was told the "trust issue" was data center policy [12:29] not sure if that is canonical DC policy or the DC itself [12:29] but again, who would be doing the admin'ing [12:29] but i know that the same DC has all of AOL's European equipment [12:29] and other high priority things [12:29] the same issue arises, I think [12:29] they are happy to give boxes outside that DC [12:30] like tiber [12:30] good people who know what they are doing are going to be developing [12:30] and boxes for LOCO teams [12:30] not admining [12:30] I would gladly admin. [12:30] I onyl got into packaging by accident. [12:30] and don't code at all. [12:31] Anyhow, it needs to be brought up at the TB, as one-week delays in syncing a week before the freeze is really not good. [12:31] it's really not as critical; exceptions for these bugfixes are normal [12:31] especially when the case is a debian maintianer who when thru the trouble f merging a fix onyl beneficial to the ubuntu side, imho. [12:31] Fujitsu: but it only matter like one or two weeks a release, which makes it difficult to be pursuasive [12:32] LaserJock, true. [12:32] crimsun, dependencies are also problems. [12:32] surely. I imagine things will be a bit better after Thursday (beta). [12:32] except Universe Freeze is Thursday [12:32] That's the problem, though. We're in freeze after beta. [12:33] we have freeze exceptions, too [12:33] Having UniverseFreeze and beta on the same day is silly. [12:33] that's the other thing too [12:33] and bugfixes that are as critical as the one Q-FUNK mentioned go through [12:33] exception are had to come by, unless we fix an RC bug. [12:33] Dapper's freeze was hardly a freeze [12:33] LaserJock, rather slushy? [12:33] Q-FUNK: heh, not in Universe [12:33] Fujitsu: rather [12:34] I'm not even sure if mine qualifies as RC fix. it does solve a long-standing issue preventing cups-pdf from being usable on ubuntu, but that's about it. [12:35] Q-FUNK: I don't think it'll be a problem [12:35] "not being usable" sounds critical to me [12:35] I don't think having universe frozen and the beta released on the same day is a good idea, because in the time leading up to that date, the core-devs are busy doing that, which means little/no archive-adminning just before freeze. [12:35] Which is right when it's needed most. [12:35] yeah [12:35] isn't there some rule like "existent sync requests before freeze will be processed"? [12:36] since universe packages tend not t end up on the cd anyhow, why can't universe be a neverneding backport repository then? [12:36] minghua, I'd bloody well hope so. [12:36] minghua: I really don't know [12:36] I know some of my stuff got dropped in Dapper's UVF [12:36] when exactly is the freeze? [12:36] Fujitsu: I agree that it would have been nice to shift it to a week before Beta (my original suggestion), but we'll have to live with it now [12:36] 28th [12:36] some time [12:36] heh, ok [12:36] azeem, some time on the 28th, estimated by Mithrandir last night to be around 1400UTC. === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:37] crimsun, noted, but it needs to be looked at for Edgy+1. [12:37] Speaking of Edgy+1, shouldn't the name be released at some point!? [12:37] I was at the edgy release schedule BOF a couple times [12:37] bleeding eft [12:38] I think UniverseFreeze was a little bit of an after thought ;-) [12:38] can I expect that all packages installation and upgrades work fine non-interactively? [12:38] LaserJock: it always is [12:38] nictuku, no. [12:38] LaserJock: generally up to us to decide [12:38] ajmitch, LaserJock: That's not good... [12:38] not really [12:38] LaserJock: but why freeze something that doesn't end up on the cd in the first place? that part i really don't get. [12:38] Q-FUNK: quality control [12:39] Q-FUNK: the cd's are -not- why main freezes [12:39] look, my impression (this is only my opinion) is that mdz doesn't really care a whole lot of Universe is doing [12:39] hey lifeless [12:39] so we can more or less do what we want with it [12:39] LaserJock: he's quite easy-going with universe [12:39] lifeless: bummer about opensync-0.19 [12:39] hi ajmitch [12:39] we did, IMO, have a fairly solid leadership structure [12:39] which we no longer have [12:39] lifeless: and yet universe truely is unsupported on ubuntu. might as well make it a perpetual backport then. [12:39] azeem: about upstream sitting on arse for 6 months and not releasing ? [12:40] which has made these issues harder to deal with [12:40] LaserJock: then we'll change that [12:40] lifeless: sort of, they're talking about releasing for a month now [12:40] we need some leadership to step up [12:40] or rather not talking === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] LaserJock, who used to lead? [12:40] dholbach and ogra [12:40] azeem: yahuh. actually about 3 months abauer has been saying 'when the xyz branch is merged' [12:40] LaserJock: fine, let's do it :) [12:40] when was the last time we had a MOTU meeting? [12:40] we used to have those all the time [12:41] lifeless: apparently things is sort of tagged or committed in svn [12:41] LaserJock, not since Edgy opened, AFAIK. [12:41] s/is/are/ [12:41] LaserJock: I've got some lists of packages (unmet deps), I'll get some build logs from fabbione soon [12:41] actually, speaking og dholbach and ogra, why don't they get right s to process new/universe? [12:41] azeem: thats a start, but wow a bit late. [12:41] LaserJock: even the last revu day we had to prod people to get going [12:41] Q-FUNK: they are too busy doing dev work [12:41] ajmitch: exactly [12:41] we are, IMO, a rudderless ship [12:42] I think we need a meeting. [12:42] LaserJock: so organise a meeting [12:42] LaserJock, yes, all working independently. [12:42] Some structure needs to be organised, I think. [12:42] we used to be more of a well-oiled machine [12:42] idea: since universe is not supported, assign all paid canonicals to only catter to main and leave absolute free reign over universe to motu team? === ajmitch hasn't seen that many problems with how we've been going [12:42] Q-FUNK: that is more or less done with the exception of archive admin'ing [12:43] yet archive admin is the bottle neck. [12:43] back to # one [12:43] I don't think it is, honestly [12:43] keybuck and kamion should spot two unpaid peeps from motu and give them access. there. sorted. [12:44] it's *a* bottleneck, probably always will be [12:44] Q-FUNK: heh, easier said then done since they don't let other paid devs do that [12:44] It's an issue [12:44] and maybe we can solve it that way, that'd be up to the TB [12:45] the solution to this sounds similar to the enverending dilema is similar to debian and non-free packages: put it in a separate archive with its own team and own new queue. [12:45] I don't think archive-admin is the only bottleneck either [12:45] the thing is universe means completely different thing to different people [12:45] mhm [12:46] let's have a www.apt-universe.org === minghua suspect that some people see lack of REVU reviewers as the biggest bottleneck [12:46] yes, that's a big one [12:46] I'd say our biggest bottleneck is the lack of MOTU hours [12:46] I also know the Chinese Xubuntu derivative has their own repo [12:46] either having more hours/MOTU or more MOTUs [12:47] Well, in a month I'll have literally every hour of my time for 3 months, that'll hopefully do something. [12:47] anyway [12:47] they don't push their changes into ubuntu proper because (1) some changes are just dirty hacks (2) there are just fewer experts on Chinese-specific issues, and it's hard to explain [12:47] LaserJock: chicken and egg. again, a typical debian dilema. too huge distro to release in atimely fasion yet NM and especially DAM slowing the arial of more volunteers. [12:47] things maybe haven't been so bad, as ajmitch has suggested [12:48] I wonder what they see the bottleneck is [12:48] LaserJock: where do you think the MOTU hours could be better spent then? [12:48] ajmitch: not better spent hours, we just need more of them [12:48] the thing is, we have a huge amount of work to do [12:48] this isn't just about packaging [12:49] I agree with ajmitch that we are doing fine as is [12:49] minghua: without meetings, or organization? [12:49] leadership [12:49] however I wasn't really involved in the days of strong leadership [12:49] well, I though even dapper was better [12:49] LaserJock: leadership. meetings are still necessary, IMO [12:49] thought [12:49] yeah [12:50] can we at least agree on shifting away from bringing newer packages (syncs, merges) in unless they fix /critical/ bugs? [12:50] the problem is who to organize them [12:50] minghua: of course [12:50] I think one of the problems [12:50] is that MOTUs tend to get sucked into other things [12:50] we're about a month away, so we really need to be concentrating on making things at least installable and runnable [12:50] we need people to sift thru new packages and syncs. [12:50] being a MOTU isn't neccessarily the stoping point [12:50] crimsun, yeah. [12:51] Q-FUNK, not at this point in the release cycle. [12:51] it's a question of dividing the workload. [12:51] crimsun: I agree with you, but I am not sure other users do, they just want their new/most up-to-date software [12:51] minghua: they'll have edgy-backports [12:51] LaserJock: certainly - I've not done as much on universe this time round [12:51] mmmm [12:51] "as much crack as possible!" [12:51] well, there is another issue here [12:51] I think that its important to recognize that there are two groups of users of universe : [12:51] regarding merges/syncs [12:51] not all merges/syncs are created equal [12:51] LaserJock: being a motu helps, just as being a fully empowered DD at debian does. [12:52] *) bleeding edge testers. These users want to track universe in the current development version. [12:52] *) end users / corporates etc. These users want the universe that matches a release of main to be as stable as possible [12:52] what we don't have is any system (I don't think) to prioritize and organize merge/sync [12:52] so we just attack the whole thing [12:52] universe is not 'supported' -> does not mean 'universe is unused' or 'universe should be unstable' [12:53] lifeless: agreed. I think we need to shoot for the latter, since edgy-backports should open after freeze, and at least core-dev can upload to it directly. [12:53] apt-cache -i unmet |grep Package |wc -l [12:53] 213 [12:53] LaserJock, a MoM-type thing with a feature like that would be nice. [12:53] ajmitch: let's attack that wiki-style [12:53] Fujitsu: we used to have that [12:53] crimsun: that got painful real fast [12:53] ajmitch, why don't we any more? [12:54] wiki has been slow lately === CarlFK [n=carl@c-24-13-53-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:54] ajmitch: true, better suggestion? [12:54] Fujitsu: nobody organized it/got it going [12:54] lifeless: then again, several years of helping users on #debian @ircnet shows that users do want the latest of $favorite_desktop_app without aving to upgrade everything. [12:54] crimsun: revive the old merge tracker on tiber? [12:54] I loved the merge tracker on tiber [12:54] Q-FUNK: indeed they do, and backports is the route we offer to do that. [12:54] ajmitch: sounds feasible [12:54] much better than the current MoM [12:54] something I can tackle tonight [12:54] Why'd we move off the tiber one? [12:55] Fujitsu: nobody got it going again [12:55] lifeless: so it sounds t me that we need two universes: backports and moving target. [12:55] OK. [12:55] Fujitsu: because it required more manual work to setup & keep in cync [12:55] s/cync/sync/ [12:55] *read* lack of leadership, organization, time [12:55] it was offered when edgy opened [12:56] lifeless: what you describe is what I would call, in debian terms, unstable and backports. [12:56] Q-FUNK: I was trying to show that there are different populations of users. some users want different things [12:56] Q-FUNK: or what we have now, universe and -backports ;-) [12:57] our role is to try to strike a balance between the huge space of requests and what we can deliver [12:57] I am really not sure about the quality of ubuntu's -backports [12:57] hm.. how hard would it be to have a builder infra that can turn universe into a perpetual universe/backports? [12:57] minghua: well, that's an issue in itself [12:57] Q-FUNK: why would be want to do that? [12:58] it seems the backports admins also lacks man power to check the package carefully [12:58] as in e.g. gnome packages within minro releeases subsequent to whatever made it to the last ubuntu being always backported. [12:58] and my understanding is that ubuntu's -backports doesn't work like debian's backports.org [12:59] i.e., you don't have choice between packages, you either stay at dapper or upgrade everything to dapper-backports [12:59] at debian, releases take too long to do it, but at ubuntu, it would be easy to have e.g. gnome 2.14.x always straight to backports [01:00] ..until edgy is released, at which point backports offers the latests 2.16.x [01:00] Q-FUNK: gnome is in main, not universe [01:00] azeem: hence why i said that we need two backports repo too. [01:01] Q-FUNK's words actually raises a question: what will happen to dapper-backports once edgy is released? [01:01] Ubuntu's got main restricted universe multiverse -security -updates -backports -proposed [01:01] azeem: remember when bruce perens prosed hosting contrib and non-free completely outside debian servers? [01:01] I think we have enough repos [01:01] we just need to do the work [01:01] we need to be empowered to do the work [01:01] minghua: people can still upload to dapper-backports [01:02] probably until it's done being supported [01:02] LaserJock: who can upload to -backports right now? my understanding is only core-devs? [01:02] core-devs and backports team? === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra [n=zdra@29.19-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] still MOTUs [01:03] LaserJock: I only see backport team requesting sync-like backports, not uploading [01:03] +1 ;-) [01:04] minghua: right, I think that might go into effect for edgy's backports or something [01:04] yikes! 2am. [01:04] anyway, as none here is involved in backports (and they don't seem to have a channel here), not much point to discuss too much === Q-FUNK hits the sack [01:04] 'night y'all! [01:04] night, Q-FUNK [01:04] minghua: they are MOTUs [01:05] minghua: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-backporters [01:07] oh, I didn't know crimsun is in backporter team [01:07] yep [01:07] he does a lot [01:07] he is in everything and everywhere [01:07] waayy to much to be healthy I think ;-) [01:08] i agree [01:08] never seen anyone whose shrink fired them... [01:08] anywho, im grabbin' pizza, who's in? [01:08] bbiaf ;) === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-160-148.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] azeem, ping. [01:20] pong [01:21] Note that you can specify /distros/ubuntu/sourcepackage when you're filing a bug by email, so you don't have to do it manually. [01:21] right, I figured that out now [01:22] the first two I filed weren't in Ubuntu, and used them as template for the others, so :) [01:22] night [01:22] Ah, OK. [01:23] 'night, pygi. === jinty [n=jinty@195.Red-83-58-178.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-123-254.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] Fujitsu: do you use email a lot for bugs? [01:28] LaserJock, yes. === xopher [n=xopher@a84-230-121-147.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:28] Fujitsu: hmm, I'll have to have you show me some time [01:28] UsingMaloneEmail on help.launchpad.net describes a bit, I believe. [01:31] what do you think of "widy" for the name of a software? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] LaserJock, did Debian tasks always appear as seperate bugs, up the top of subscribed bug listings? I don't remember those being at the top of MOTU Science's list before... === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=darkmage@ppp10-99.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-19-11.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-065-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jasonr@c-71-232-45-169.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:01] I never realised how big the universe was [02:05] heh, really? [02:05] yup [02:05] it's everything in Debian - Main [02:10] it's mighty big! [02:10] mhm [02:10] and then you think of how many people are working on it [02:11] heh [02:13] oh, no, not this stupid compression format discussion again === Trevinho [n=Trevi@host-84-221-204-86.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] anyone familiar with the buildds around? [02:27] oh, good. I'm not going crazy. the version prior to my upload didn't build on sparc or ppc either. [02:31] keescook: what do you need? [02:32] LaserJock: crimsun uploaded a crash-fix for "abuse-sdl" that I made, and today I saw that the builds on sparc/ppc failed. (my change was trivial) [02:32] but I see that the build on the version prior failed also [02:32] not mine: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/abuse-sdl/1:0.7.0-4ubuntu1 [02:32] mine: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/abuse-sdl/1:0.7.0-4ubuntu2 === awbassett [n=andrew@206.135.97.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] to note, the latest patch hasn't been integrated yet === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:37] crimsun: yup, that's fine. [02:38] Heya gang [02:38] what's the normal situation when a package doesn't build across all archs? (i.e. should a bug have been opened against 1:0.7.0-4ubuntu1?) [02:38] hiya bddebian [02:38] Hello keescook [02:40] hi bddebian === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-125-169.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:40] Heya LaserJock [02:40] Hi Hobbsee [02:40] hola Hobbsee === rideout [n=rideout@71-208-29-158.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] hey bddebian, LaserJock [02:43] hmm, maybe I've been doing to much computer work [02:44] my boss just asked me if I had pink eye [02:44] Doh [02:45] LaserJock: you been reading the forums again havent you? :) [02:45] nope just irssi and mutt === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-160-148.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:31] anybody know what shift does? [03:31] it's in a shell script [03:32] http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/mansec?1+shift [03:32] its a built-in [03:33] you can find it in man bash as well [03:33] ah, I was doing man push without luck [03:34] LaserJock: help shift (in bash shell) [03:34] thanks [03:34] bascially it manipulates command line arguments [03:35] and tseng is right, bash(1) man page has more information [03:36] it's just that bash's man page is a bit daunting [03:36] /shift works === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-160-148.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-88-207.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-88-207.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === CarlFK [n=carl@c-24-13-53-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Quinn_Storm [n=quinn@pool-71-253-28-35.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] happy joy joy.. [04:35] hehe [04:35] what's up, zul? [04:37] not much [04:43] ummm...who will be handling uvf requests for universe? ;) [04:44] slomo,siretart,dholbach === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:47] re [04:47] wb Toadstool [04:47] hi [04:47] hey ajmitch, bddebian === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jldugger [n=jldugger@adsl-75-18-10-50.dsl.tpkaks.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:07] theCore: please provide a URL to the 1.15 orig.tar.gz for #62416 [05:07] theCore: sorry [05:07] TheMuso: please provide a URL to the 1.15 orig.tar.gz for #62416 [05:08] bug 62416 [05:08] Malone bug 62416 in espeak "espeak: Request review/upload of new package." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62416 === superm1 [n=supermar@68-115-81-248.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-247-231-175.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=fowlduck@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu [n=amachu@125.22.66.54] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _gus_ [n=gus@r200-40-237-245-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:30] ugh [05:30] ? [05:30] something has totaly bored my ibook [05:30] borked* [05:30] on thsi last update [05:31] new kernel? [05:31] i'm not sure what it is tbh , still trying to debug , but its kinda hard without a keyboard [05:32] well my keyboard dont work in X anymore, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg dosent show the debconf screen , eg it all go's black [05:32] grrr [05:32] ouch infact on reboot kdm dont even start [05:32] ...... [05:35] ok fixed, yay \o/ for manual hacking of trhe xorg.conf === Fujitsu [n=profile@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:42] hola Fujitsu [05:43] Hey LaserJock. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.216] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:45] oh wow LaserJock check this http://www.intel.com/research/dpr.htm [05:45] now thats incredable, too bad i will be an old man before its mainstream === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-160-148.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:50] Brandon, I uploaded a fix for both the mythtv and mythplugins package a little bit ago. if you have a moment [05:51] superm1, sure. i'll look here in a sec [05:51] ok [06:10] ajmitch, you busy ? [06:10] I didn't do it! [06:10] hahaha [06:10] oh, sorry [06:10] yes, imbrandon? [06:10] ;) [06:11] can you eyeball superm1's merge of mythplugins with me, there are alot of changes and i dont wanna miss anything this close to freeze [06:11] if you have the time [06:11] in ~6 hours, maybe [06:11] i'm looking it over now too ( i dident run revu-tools on it just doing it localy ) [06:11] ok [06:11] I'm not really available for anything indepth right now [06:12] imbrandon, my only worry with it was if I still missed some files like you had mentioned. I found two xml files that weren't getting added [06:12] but beyond that I didn't see anything missed === ajmitch just saw irc highlight in the background [06:12] ajmitch, ok no worries when you have time [06:12] superm1, cool, yea i just have to check this really well as there are alot of changes from 0.18 to 0.20 [06:13] ( mostly becouse of the ubuntu deltas from before ) [06:13] makes sense. I figure at this point, its better to get the version in at least by the freeze, and if something is missing, make a minor version bump right by freeze time [06:13] the mythtv looks ok though, i'll upload that after bit [06:13] k [06:14] k good [06:14] and I think I finally understand how to increment versions :) [06:14] heh yea dont increment them every time when you upload to revu [06:14] heh [06:14] i ment to explain that to you better when i had time [06:15] yea I've been gone for a bit, forgot to leave IRC when I left town too [06:15] if you tried to ping me this weekend [06:16] basicly it boils down to _- [06:16] and we only change the ubuntu ones === Fujitsu_ [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:16] before you bumped the debian 0.2 to 3 [06:17] so like a debian package of blah_1.0-1 would end up blah_1.0-1ubuntu1 then blah_1.0-1ubuntu2 etc [06:17] now what about those cases that you are syncing from a repo like debian-multimedia, and they make a few small changes, and bump the debian version, but you already backported those changes? [06:17] should you still only bump ubuntu version? [06:17] syncs dont get version bumps, merges do [06:18] and i think you mean a merge [06:18] yes I do [06:18] I like it how Linux XChat is still better than the Windows version, even running through Cygwin/X :) [06:18] Fujitsu lol [06:18] superm1, like umm.... ok give me an example [06:18] oh ok .... [06:19] well in the mythplugins package. I had fixed some mythweb packaging related things that marillat didn't have right. he fixed it in a later version of his, but I already had it covered [06:19] so should I have adopted his new version number for the debian version? [06:19] so you mean if we have blah_1.0-1ubuntu3 and it has changes , then debian makes blah_1.0-2 and incorperates those changes ? [06:20] right [06:20] then we just sync , overiding our changes and blah_1.0-2 gos into the archive [06:20] assuming everething was covered, if they only incorperated part of it then we [06:21] have to put our patches back on [06:21] that are missed, irght? [06:21] make blah_1.0-2ubuntu1 with the remaining changes [06:21] Then we merge, and keep the delta. Yay, more Ubuntu delta. What fun. [06:21] superm1, right [06:21] okay that makes a lot more sense then. [06:22] yea the versioning can be hell if you dont understand it , but once you catch on its easy ( assuming everyone plays by the rules ) [06:22] imbrandon, which they often don't, although it's generally a mistake. [06:22] Fujitsu: congratulations - uploaded all your new merges yet? [06:23] Fujitsu, yea ;) yay for epocs [06:23] Hobbsee, thanks :) [06:23] 4 or so, I think. [06:23] well and it clearly starts to become a bit messy if the maintainer doesn't watch closely at what changes between upstream patches and their own [06:23] oh yea Fujitsu congrats man ;) [06:23] superm1, they have to, or things explode :) [06:23] Oh yes, that reminds me... [06:23] I look forward to not having to ACK every single thing coming through u-u-s [06:23] imbrandon, Hobbsee says you have a machine that you let MOTUs build on... [06:23] crimsun: *grin* [06:23] crimsun: yeah [06:24] Yeah, thanks for all the sponsorships in the past, crimsun :) They're much appreciated. [06:24] np [06:24] Fujitsu, yea select friends, not nessesarly MOTU's ;) want access ? [06:24] Ah, if you want to give it to me, yes please :) === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [06:24] imbrandon: I'm not your friend? :) [06:24] Fujitsu, sure, give me a littlebit to finish up some stuff [06:24] ajmitch, haha you never asked for access ;) [06:25] imbrandon, take your time, I'm in no big rush. [06:25] he doesnt need access :P [06:25] imbrandon: probably since I have a fast box anyway - just no ppc to build on [06:25] yea i need to get a ppc box setup , i promised Seveas i would set one up for him [06:26] Fujitsu, you want a x86 account or x86_64 ? [06:26] imbrandon: if you or anyone can provide one for MOTUs to build on, it'd be great [06:26] I have x86 & amd64 already at home [06:26] imbrandon, good question... [06:26] ppc would be most appreciated. === ajmitch was lookign for a cheap mac mini or similar for building on [06:26] ajmitch, yea i will likely open up a "small" build farm shortly for motu's once i find a good way to secure it so its semi automated accounts with ubuntu-dev access etc [06:27] I've got an OKish x86, so I might grab x86_64, if you please. [06:27] Fujitsu, ok [06:27] I've opened my amd64 box up to others in the past if they need access [06:28] i just picked up 2 ppc 400mhz boxes with 256mb ram i plan to do it with, and i have 2 vm's on the amd64 ( that only Seveas takes advantage of atm ) [06:28] imbrandon: xen ftw [06:28] yea i'd like to find a way to make the accounts semi automated etc [06:29] yea the amd64 is a a xen setup , it WAS vmware [06:29] there's a 400MHz ppc at home, with 512MB RAM [06:29] but it gets used for OSX all the time [06:29] so I can't reboot it for building [06:29] ajmitch, :( [06:29] heh i got these from a guy at the lug for 25$ each [06:29] yeah, this is ex-university [06:30] they dident have monitors or hdd's but i threw a cheap 20 gig in each , probably will ahve to up that if i give semi-public access [06:30] but headless should be fine [06:31] headless is preferable [06:31] less things to go wrong :) [06:31] superm1, one thing i did notice ( havent looked 100% is your changelog entries are past 80 chars long ) not a big deal, just fyi [06:32] ajmitch, exactly === LaserJock thinks of "The headless Pbuilder" [06:32] hahaha [06:32] so they should be less then 80 chars most the time then? [06:32] superm1, which? [06:32] yea just wrap them to the next line if needed with 4 spaces indent [06:32] changelog entries [06:33] k [06:33] like i said not a real big deal but its nice for those on 80x25 [06:33] I work off a 1600x1200 display on my thinkpad, so I'm used to long lines for things in nano :) === imbrandon uses a high res also , but not everyone can or does ;) [06:34] hehe === ajmitch uses high-res, but doesn't maximise all the windows [06:35] yea thats why i use a high res is to get more windows on the screen(s) at once [06:35] hehe [06:35] not nessessarly more from each window [06:36] i want to konw how some do those consoles ON the desktop like i see in some screenshots [06:36] like as if the console was the wallpaper [06:36] well you can run some apps as a root window [06:36] xscreensaver comes to mind === LaserJock has a Gentoo flashback [06:36] that would just rock for irssi [06:37] LaserJock, hahaha [06:38] I think I actually did that once just to show someone what it was like to have a cool screensaver as a background in fluxbox once, and then never used it again [06:38] yea i did the screensaver thing when i tried xgl [06:38] but never used it past that [06:40] well if you really wanted to just have a terminal on bottom, you probably could hack together a devilspie script to guarantee its always below other windows and it doesn't show up in the task list [06:40] ;) [06:41] there's no "always on bottom" option? ;) [06:42] heya jldugger fancy seeing you here ;) [06:42] hey [06:42] im digging down into my laptop [06:42] cool [06:42] and nobody on #ubuntu-laptop is alive [06:43] so how high up on the motu totem pole are you, that people are asking you to look at their packages? ;) [06:43] heya i was gonan ask the guys too ( next meeting i made it to ) about a ubuntu loco team for us, i kinda been piecing togather the stuff for it [06:43] jldugger: he's *beyond* motu [06:43] jldugger, i'm core-dev now ;) past motu per se lol [06:44] we all sit at his feet & bask in his wisdom now [06:44] (no, MOTU with main privs) [06:44] does that mean you work for canonical, or just motu with MOAR POWAR? [06:44] all haill imbrandon [06:44] hahahah ajmitch /me baskes in ajmitch and crimsun's dietyness [06:44] teach me, oh wise one [06:44] jldugger: working for canonical and being core-dev/moru are orthogonal [06:44] no, I'm basking in bddebian's and LaserJock's [06:44] bah [06:44] jldugger, MOTU with "moar powar" hehe [06:45] crimsun: the deity & raging MOTU-holic? [06:45] aye [06:45] basicly instead of breaking 50% of peoples systems i can brake them all [06:45] lol [06:45] lifeless: are you doing more QA stuff yet? [06:45] and in mor interesting ways [06:45] LaserJock, yea ;) [06:46] ajmitch: some === ajmitch has plans to break upstart [06:46] but don't let keybuk hear that [06:46] ;) [06:47] jldugger, havin laptop probs ? [06:48] more like tablet problems [06:48] ahh [06:48] its so wierd [06:48] when i convert it to tablet mode [06:48] nothing happens [06:48] not even an acpi event goes into the log [06:48] i open it back up and i get one === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@unaffiliated/lotusleaf] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] oh wow, sounds harwareish [06:49] erm [06:49] i can close the lid the regular way [06:49] that is strange [06:49] does whatever you set it up to [06:50] i was really hoping i could hack up lid.sh, but the events never come in [06:50] yea [06:50] i wonder how windows does it [06:51] does it do anything else like a keyevent or ANYTHING ? [06:51] i forgot how to check keyevern [06:51] event [06:51] but i got nvidia binary drivers to suspend [06:52] heh lucky [06:52] just followed the directions [06:52] on the wiki [06:52] err [06:52] hibernate [06:52] not suspend [06:52] suspend is a pile of poo anyways === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:52] run xev and see if it outputs anything when you [06:52] goto tablet mode by some weird chance === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:54] nothing on xev that i can tell [06:54] hum [06:55] what i was hoping to do was tie the conversion to a xrandr [06:55] and rotate the screen ? [06:55] heh [06:56] pretty important unless you want to draw upside down [06:56] true === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.151.245] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:59] with all the "new crack" alien posts about xen and oo.o i'm suprised no one has tried a 2.8 kernel === LaserJock obviously doesn't know how to make shell scripts [07:00] imbrandon: 2.8? [07:00] erm 2.7 working branch stuff [07:00] what? [07:00] there is a 2.7 branch? [07:00] this is news [07:00] should be , i thought [07:01] nope [07:01] they don't work that way anymore [07:01] well that would be why there is no new crack stuff [07:01] ahh shows how much i follow the kernel dev [07:01] there is [07:01] tickless kernel [07:02] they just use like -mm branch now [07:02] ah so its not an odd even thing anymore? lol [07:02] its been a while since i touched kernel source === imbrandon waits for LaserJock to have another gentoo flashback [07:02] kerneltrap had a excerpt from lkml about how to proceed [07:03] imbrandon: sorry, fighting with a simple shell script [07:03] heh [07:03] http://kerneltrap.org/node/7164 [07:03] ahh i have no desire to , was just a passing thought [07:04] i try not to rool my own unless there is an ABSOLUTE need to [07:04] s/rool/roll/ [07:04] its still fun to read kernel trap and see what's going on [07:04] i leave that to the deities like zul and such [07:06] grrr, I'm really trying not to use python [07:09] man, i hope all these people automatically subscribed to my wiki page don't mind all these edits to it [07:10] most of the time they filter on words/pages and are subscribed to them all but on that note you can tick the box that says "trivial change" and it wont email anyone === Trevinho [n=Trevi@host-84-221-221-212.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:14] the other thing i'll probably have to file / find bugs about is using the pen as a mouse [07:15] ;) [07:15] cuz theres no way i can hack that up on my own [07:15] but getting the wiki page done and nvida+suspend is a good nights work [07:15] ;) [07:16] i guess to bring this closer to motu topic, what's the policy on open source software written in a language that doesn't have an open source compiler yet? [07:16] imbrandon: how do i list all the current process along with their pid's other than top [07:16] ps aux [07:17] jldugger, i'm looking at getting ubuntu-kc loco team togather to for all us ubuntu peeps from kclug ( and some from ks too htat arent in kclug have already contacted me ) [07:17] joejaxx, ps ax [07:17] or ps aux [07:17] heh [07:17] or just dig through /proc ;) [07:18] jldugger, well it would be kinda hard to bootstrap i source package into the archive without a compiler [07:18] imbrandon, interesting, but are there many ubuntu-kc people? [07:18] jldugger, 3 of us so far, but i havent asked the lug yet [07:18] i wonder if i count as KC [07:18] its like a 2 hour drive from here [07:19] i kinda wanted to make it a subset of the current kclug incorerating other people that arent part of the lug ( nor wanna be ) [07:19] ;) [07:19] crweb is in IL lol [07:20] yes [07:20] and you're counting him? [07:20] soo i think 2 hours is ok ;) [07:20] no [07:20] i meant he is part of kclug and in IL [07:20] i have no idea why he's in kclug [07:21] lol me either, i think he is lonely most of the time, and thats not a bad thing, he seems harmless [07:21] and jbroudhard is in st joe ( 1 hour away ) soooo , maybe ubuntu-midwest ;) [07:21] imbrandon: can I come? ;-) [07:22] heh [07:22] heh [07:22] cowboyntu [07:22] hahahaha [07:22] LaserJock, well that would make it ubuntu-usa [07:23] sides LaserJocki think the colorado loco team is closer to you ;) [07:23] there's a Utah one [07:23] and a California one too [07:23] LaserJock, you been makin it to the rlug's ? [07:23] I made 1 [07:23] ;) [07:23] then missed 2 I think [07:24] hehe [07:24] they keep doing them on bad days [07:24] yea that was my problem when i was in reno [07:24] I was in Mt. View giving a presentation at Ubucon for one [07:24] so I don't feel bad [07:24] the problem i have in KC is its WAY down town [07:24] and normaly i dont have a ride ( as i dont drive ) [07:24] soooo [07:25] cars are evil [07:25] I drive everywhere [07:25] heh my last one was, well it got me lots of speeding tickets [07:25] so i sold it and got a motorcycle, but that dosent work well in KC, did in NV [07:25] KC weather is too unpredictable [07:26] if you slide an F in between the K and C it's lunch [07:26] ( plus my lic is revolked atm for speeding ) [07:26] soooo [07:26] shhh dont tell anyone ;) [07:27] jldugger, going for membership ? or just keeping your wiki updated ? [07:34] alright.. === ajmitch needs a drink now === lotusleaf hands ajmitch whipped guacamole, chilled, with habanero juice [07:35] I'll pass on that thanks === lotusleaf flaps arms in feather suit [07:35] strange.. [07:36] ajmitch: like Jim Morrison said, people are strange === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:50] hum the more i look at this , this might work out good [07:50] ( building a MOTU farm ) [07:51] imbrandon: just teach them about debsign -r [07:51] oh definately [07:51] ;) [07:52] :P [07:52] Hobbsee: oh, that's cool [07:52] LaserJock: indeed :) [07:52] i'm wondering how much of it will be incorperated into personal repos on LP though [07:52] when/if that ever comes to be [07:53] imbrandon: nearly all of that, and REVU functionality as well [07:53] Hobbsee: yes, it's good not having your key on other people's computers, isn't it? ;) [07:54] i liked the idea of sf.net build farms and suse build farms [07:55] seems alot of compnies are doing it [07:55] :P at ajmitch [07:55] just wait till i see you next... [07:55] and what will you do? :) [07:55] tickle you with a pointy stick [07:59] ajmitch knows perfectly well what i'll do to him [07:59] imbrandon: i dont need to use my stick. i can just tickle him so that he glares at me :P [07:59] stamp her foot & put hands on hips with an angry glare? ;) [07:59] lol [08:00] no, and i dont think you ever saw that === Hobbsee lunches [08:00] lunch? it's 4pm! [08:00] and? [08:01] slacker [08:05] imbrandon, i donno. at the moment, i figure i'll move up the tree as I need to. there's plenty one can do without being approved [08:05] ;) [08:05] oh jez, suse makes the deb but provides the source in an rpm [08:05] *rolls eyes* === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua wonders if SUSE's debs are made by dpkg or not === lfittl [n=lfittl@193.170.41.114] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:08] morning === pygi [n=mario@89-172-193-230.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:08] heya lfittl [08:08] hey imbrandon [08:08] minghua, http://software.opensuse.org/download/openSUSE:/Tools/xUbuntu_6.06/ [08:09] thats what i was talking about ^^ [08:11] LaserJock: ajmitch: right, I've now moved in, and now I'm around way more often. I'm not that active in this channel, but I'm available [08:11] hey siretart [08:11] siretart: hi! [08:11] heya siretart [08:11] there is a deadline for a scientific paper this friday, this has priority, but I'm here [08:11] huhu ajmitch, LaserJock, morning imbrandon [08:12] siretart: I'll probably have a pile of universe freeze exceptions for you, since I won't get them done by thursday [08:12] (its 8:11am for me now) [08:12] siretart: depends on how willing you are to trust some of us MOTUs :) [08:12] amsterdam times ;) [08:12] ajmitch: I myself have one. FAI. Thomas Lange (debian maintainer and upstream) suggests to have fai 3.0 in edgy, since it may be easier to get running [08:12] imbrandon: there is "# Automatically added by dh_python" in the postinst", so looks like the .deb is built quite professionally [08:13] but he won't release it before weekend [08:13] hi siretart [08:13] huhu minghua === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:19] imbrandon: but it seems there is no source for osc [08:19] (the srpm is for kiwi, which has binary rpm packages, but no debs) [08:19] yea i noticed [08:19] no source, no install [08:19] heh === ajmitch has a kiwi update here to fix up & get in [08:19] but i DID finaly find where they his the SaX2 branch [08:19] https://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/sax/sax-head === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw7-fe10f900-10.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu_ [n=amachu@59.144.15.143] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-226-54.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:29] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-hotplug-devel&m=115926521015750&w=2 [08:29] prety neat [08:29] could work well in LTSP === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:36] Q-FUNK: for supporting local devices? [08:45] does anyone know how much space it whould take to download all of the main and restricted repos? [08:45] a fair amout [08:45] I can't remember [08:46] all archs and source too? [08:46] LaserJock: mostly that it's a super tiny replacement for udev, which would be perfect on thin clients with low resources. [08:46] uh [08:46] LaserJock: i guess [08:46] Q-FUNK: I think the edgy LTSP will have that [08:47] not that specifically [08:47] LaserJock: yes i whould include all archs and source [08:47] but those features [08:47] joejaxx: it's proably less than 10 GB [08:47] LaserJock: wow really? [08:48] for Main [08:48] how much whould universe and multiverse taken up [08:48] only 4,000 packages [08:48] LaserJock: what about restricted though [08:48] restricted doesn't have much in it [08:48] ah [08:49] so now i need to know how much universe and multi verse whould take up [08:49] raphink: ping? [08:50] joejaxx: significantly more then Main ;-) [08:50] LaserJock: interesting [08:51] LaserJock: what whould you said whould be ample enought bandwidth for a mirror of main and restricted [08:51] enough* [08:53] really not sure [08:58] oh ok [08:58] depends on how much traffic you get [08:58] oh ok [08:58] LaserJock: thank you for the information :) === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1F83.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:58] dholbach! [08:58] good morning - HAPPY HUG DAY! [08:58] hey ajmitch [08:58] hi dholbach [08:59] hi LaserJock [08:59] dholbach: it ought to be another REVU day, imho === lfittl [n=lfittl@193.170.41.114] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] absolutely [09:01] nobody stepped up to write an announcement :-( [09:01] we agreed on it before [09:01] sorry about that [09:02] no - I didn't mean to blame oyu [09:02] sure ;-) [09:02] morning dholbach :) [09:02] heya dholbach [09:02] hug day today ? [09:03] yeah [09:03] cool [09:03] what do we do about REVUing? [09:03] tomorrow will be universe freeze [09:03] i've been revuing as i have time [09:03] and afaik all the active motus in here have been === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:03] even without a "set day" [09:03] heh === ajmitch still has a pile of packages to get into edgy that won't make it by freeze day [09:04] ok, what I suggest now is: if there are easy fixes to do, attach a debdiff to fix them an do it [09:04] it doesn't make sense to go through n iterations at this point [09:04] yea [09:04] if the package maintainer disagrees, he can still roll back [09:04] dholbach: will you still consider new packages after the freeze? [09:05] i wouldn't like that - because I already discussed it with Matt [09:05] hm [09:05] UniverseFreeze is much later than UpstreamVersionFreeze this time [09:05] you can try to talk to him === ajmitch will have to drop a couple of things then [09:05] I will do UVF exceptions, yes - but for NEW packages - talk to him instead [09:06] some xen-related stuff I'm doing, and a couple of others from debian [09:06] talk to Matt :/ [09:06] you might not have to drop it yet === ajmitch also has some stuff in NEW that's been stalled there [09:06] me too [09:07] yea NEW is getting backed up [09:07] I hope that stuff gets processed [09:07] everybody's busy with beta [09:07] and another few authentication-related packages I didn't get round to tidying up & uploading === ajmitch sighs [09:07] too many loose ends I haven't tidied [09:07] ajmitch, anything i can help with ? [09:07] I'd have to dig through it & see [09:08] kk well if you run accross soemting lemme know [09:08] & it's usually nothing major to do, the time it takes for me to grab it all, I'd be able to update it === ajmitch has packages for things like gtickets for handling kerberos tickets [09:09] heh [09:09] maybe I can stick it on revu now [09:10] hm, empty debian/copyright, I didn't fill that one in [09:10] bah, ubuntu-archive won't mind ;-) [09:10] lol === ajmitch adds GPL boilerplate [09:11] tell them you'll do it on the next upload ;-) [09:11] hahah === LaserJock will never make core-dev [09:11] hey guys, I just debianized another package in hopes of fitting it in before the freeze tomorrow. I threw up "backstep" [09:12] bah compiling suse stuff on ubuntnu just plain sucks /me gives up on sax untill edgy+1 [09:12] the deps are all nuts [09:13] ok, gktools updated === ajmitch hasn't checked the package for months [09:13] so pick over it on REVU :) [09:13] anyone have some sugestions about what i can do with bug 59534 ( my main problem is libvisual-0.4-plugins isnt in main ) [09:13] Malone bug 59534 in libvisual "Libvisual autoinstall by demand" [Low,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59534 [09:13] I have no idea how rough it still is :) [09:15] hum i guess a review and MIR would be the best way [09:15] probably [09:16] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3259 [09:16] pick that over, I have to head out in ~10 minutes [09:16] kk [09:16] no idea if it still builds ;) [09:17] i can run revu-tools now , hehe [09:20] thanks [09:20] does anyone know why webmin was removed? [09:20] np, umm why dosent revu just nuke the changes file instead of making it unreadable [09:20] joejaxx, webmin is evil, they ignore cve stuff [09:22] its in the blacklist sees , qoute : [09:22] imbrandon: ? [09:22] # mdz, 2004-06-14: upstream deliberately obfuscates vulnerabilities [09:22] # mdz, 2004-06-20: CAN-2002-0757, CAN-2003-0101, SNS 74, SNS 75 [09:22] webmin [09:22] ^^ from the blacklist [09:22] this a no no [09:22] oh wow [09:22] would anybody know when janimo is online usually? [09:23] ajmitch, looks to ftbs , messed up desktop file? [09:24] desktop-file-install created an invalid desktop file! [09:24] make[3] : *** [install-data-local] Error 1 [09:24] how special [09:25] fedora crap, I'm sure :) [09:25] yup [09:25] something about X-Fedora [09:25] not sure [09:25] it hates X-Fedora & Application [09:25] will patch that === mario_ [n=mario@89-172-198-74.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] looks liek the "actual" build went fine though === ajmitch shrugs [09:27] I'll sort it later [09:27] want me just to remove those two from the rules ? [09:27] e.g. [09:27] --add-category X-Fedora \ [09:27] --add-category=Application \ === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ctd____ [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:29] oh yea now that Fujitsu is a MOTU he can revu ;) hahaha === imbrandon jabs Fujitsu ;) [09:29] Oh $*#$ :P [09:29] imbrandon: shouldn't you be asleep? === Fujitsu stabs Hobbsee with his long pointy stick of I'm-a-MOTU-too-DOOM! [09:29] Hi imbrandon, LaserJock. [09:29] LaserJock, probably, but i got up late today [09:30] Fujitsu: fix universe, kthnksbye! [09:30] and it's MY POINTY STICK! [09:30] Long done, Hobbsee. [09:30] hahaha [09:30] Universe is absolute perfect in every single way. [09:30] Not a single flaw. [09:31] *absolutely === LaserJock looks around and flicks an electron [09:31] heh [09:31] :O === Fujitsu slaps away LaserJock! Noooooo. [09:31] LaserJock, question is shouldnt /you/ too ;) [09:31] ( sleep ) [09:32] imbrandon: yes, but you are +2 hrs [09:32] I've only made 4 uploads today :( [09:32] But I have been at school. [09:33] well i was/am glad to see someone else from my lug getting into the ubuntu community other than just installing it ;) [09:33] Yay :) [09:33] Who? [09:33] jldugger ^^ [09:34] Aha, I saw him on earlier :) [09:34] most of the lug /uses/ ubuntu but very few participate in the community much [09:34] we have like one token gentoo guy and one token slack guy , all the rest use ubuntu or kubuntu [09:35] 'tis the same worldwide, I'd presume. If everybody participated in the community, Freenode would have exploded years ago :P [09:35] haha [09:35] well not just irc, email, forums , etc etc etc [09:36] i can count the messages on our ML on my hands this last month hehe [09:36] but we have something like 40 members [09:36] or thereabouts [09:37] hmm, anybody use mini-dinstall here? === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:39] woot i'm a level 38 idler [09:39] heh [09:39] imbrandon: crawl has more of a challenge ;) [09:39] [02:37] imbrandon, the Digital_KDE_Blasphmey, has attained level 38! Next level in 1 day, 22:54:30. [09:39] crawl ? [09:39] !crawl [09:39] crawl: Dungeon Crawl, a text-based roguelike game. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.0.0beta26-7 (dapper), package size 619 kB, installed size 1512 kB [09:40] imbrandon: the most addictive game in the world [09:40] heh idlerpg i dont have to do anything though [09:40] my kinda game [09:40] well, true. ;) [09:42] O_o [09:42] hmm, somebody must be looking at TeX [09:43] I don't see changelog entries like this often: [09:43] * Sync with Ubuntu. [09:43] (in Debian) [09:43] LaserJock, why? [09:43] I've seen a few [09:43] *blink* [09:43] my email has all of a sudden gotten a few tex emails [09:43] hmm, that's a rather stupid sentence [09:44] Not really, it's a little odd, but not too bad. [09:45] I uploaded a galeon merge about 7 hours ago... It appeared on my +packages, but the version doesn't exist yet, it gives a 404. [09:46] Wow, yeah... 10 TeX emails. [09:46] 11, then. === crimsun pokes Fujitsu [09:48] Hi crimsun. [09:48] thanks for clarifying 62422 === Fujitsu unpoke. [09:48] *unpokes. [09:48] Yes, oops. Sorry. [09:49] I think I must have copied the description from the mpd one, and changed all the details except the name. [09:49] Now I see why you suggested I grab it from experimental :) [09:50] O_o [09:50] Another 10 or so closings of TeX bugs. [09:50] Somebody has been having fun... [09:51] did Debian just upload new TeX? [09:51] LaserJock, looks like it... I got like 30 emails about it to -science... [09:51] mhm [09:51] We're about to get growled at by them, aren't we? [09:52] not if we are prompt about it I don't think [09:52] i.e. we should look into it before edgy is released [09:52] But that'll mean a UVFe... [09:52] not necessarily [09:53] if they just bumped the Debian revision [09:53] True.. === Fujitsu checks. [09:53] yep [09:53] 3.0-22 with a high importance [09:53] for tetex-base [09:53] There's also tex-common yesterday, new upstream. [09:54] (it's native) [09:54] 0.29 -> 0.30. [09:54] Fujitsu: (btw, you can mark that one in progress since you've already got a source package ready to upload, or you can just upload and mark it fix committed) [09:54] crimsun, true, I shall upload it, but I couldn't last night :P [09:54] And another 8 or so mails... === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-160-148.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:57] imbrandon, ping. [09:57] Fujitsu, pong [09:57] imbrandon, did you get around to creating me an account? [09:57] and did you get me a pony? [09:57] oh , no i got sidetracked with some amarok bugs, will do now [09:58] Ah, thanks. [09:58] crimsun, no pony for you [09:58] ;) [09:58] bah === Fujitsu hands crimsun a pony, for all his sponsorships. :P [09:59] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg [10:00] Do packages often vanish into the Soyuzian void? [10:00] what sort of packages? [10:00] I uploaded galeon, it appeared on my +packages about 7 hours ago, but the new version is still yet to be seen. [10:01] you'll get two separate ACCEPT e-mails, actually [10:01] the first is for the upload, the second is for the source [10:01] crimsun, noted, and one to the list, I think I got both, but I'll check. [10:01] (since the queue is in manual processing mode) [10:01] Ah, so there's no option for just main freezing at this time? [10:02] not afaict [10:02] I did note that the first ACCEPT email said it was waiting distro manager approval, but I presumed it always did that, and was automagic. [10:03] And the new galeon isn't in any of the queues... Should it be? [10:03] Fujitsu: How did the meeting go this morning? [10:04] not till the source is accepted afaik [10:04] TheMuso, OK :) [10:04] Congratulations then! [10:04] galeon | 2.0.2-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages [10:04] galeon | 2.0.2-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Sources [10:04] Thanks :) [10:04] TheMuso, him and cbx33 got in ;) [10:04] Nope -2ubuntu1 is mine. [10:04] Cool. [10:04] (although that's also mine, it's an old one) [10:05] are you using dput? [10:05] Yes. [10:05] hmm, you already got the ACCEPTs [10:06] I can't see the second one here. [10:06] oh, you just got one accept? [10:06] Yes. [10:06] ah, then it hasn't been source accepted yet [10:06] OK. [10:06] It'd be nice if it appeared somewhere. === lfittl [n=lfittl@194.50.115.210] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] Thanks for explaining that. [10:07] once it's source accepted, it'll appear on edgy-changes [10:07] Noted. [10:08] Are there normally two emails, or just because it's frozen? [10:08] the latter [10:08] OK. [10:09] if the source package name already exists doesn't generate any new binary packages, you'll get the one source accept [10:09] exists and ^ [10:09] Yup, that's what I thought. [10:12] LaserJock, here is what you need for your next notebook http://static2.instructables.com/pub/FL7/YG8X/FL7YG8XV3WEP27T6EB.medium.jpg [10:14] imbrandon: oh, that is impressive [10:15] Hah. [10:15] Dear santa: All I want for christmas is my two front teeth and for the mythtv pacakges to not be 1/2 0.20 and 1/2 0.18. :) [10:15] Is there a REVU admin around? [10:15] Or somebody who can obliterate my accidental galeon upload from this morning? [10:16] jblack: should be fixed next week [10:16] jblack, i'm working on the other half right now [10:16] Because I forgot dput was defaulting to REVU for my first upload >_> [10:16] imbrandon: You rock. [10:16] Fujitsu: hah, that was the dput question ;) [10:16] should be done in the next day or two like crimsun said [10:17] crimsun, aha. [10:17] Hm === Fujitsu is bored. [10:17] Any MOTU tasks anybody can suggest? [10:18] imbrandon: Your work has made a change in my day to day life. [10:18] you probably shouldn't ask that within reading distance of LaserJock, bddebian, or Hobbsee [10:18] fix the archive. [10:18] write my assignment for me === Fujitsu runs away, then. [10:18] there's a start. [10:18] within two days of 0.20 I put my phone company and satellite dish company that their services were no longer required. :) [10:18] (toldya) [10:18] (of me trying 0.20). [10:18] :P [10:18] What a MOTUish task the latter of those is, Hobbsee. [10:19] heh [10:19] hehe [10:19] Thats like $80 a month you're saving me. That's a lot for someone between jobs. :) [10:19] it's only part of my uni degree, yes [10:20] Aw, why are there no new members of motu on LP? It's got a cool emblem :'( [10:21] Ah, so /that's/ where my mpd upload went. I left out `ubuntu' from the command-line as well. Fortunately, I've changed the default now :) === Fujitsu kicks self a bit. [10:22] it's actually safer initially to set the default to some nonsense one [10:23] like local [10:23] ;) [10:23] that way you /have/ to type 'dput ubuntu ..' [10:23] Brb, === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:25] mornin all [10:26] heya cbx33 [10:26] contrats btw [10:26] thank you [10:26] congrats* [10:26] you know I didn't even see that was missplet [10:26] must be tired [10:26] s/missplet/misspelt === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:28] looked good to me too :/ [10:28] Hi ogra. === jblack waves to ogra [10:28] hey [10:29] boo ogra === Hobbsee attacks ogra with a feather duster === Fujitsu uploads a new version of Hobbsee, without the sticks and feather dusters. [10:30] hah [10:30] Fujitsu: just as long as it's not a new upstream release [10:30] we only want a patched Hobbsee [10:30] LaserJock, she's officially supported? [10:31] no telling what havok a new upstream release might do [10:31] oh yeah [10:31] I think I'm going to keep mum on those ramifications [10:31] crimsun: what are you doing up? [10:31] LaserJock: and how would a patched Hobbsee work? [10:31] huh? I'm always awake at this hour [10:32] really? [10:32] (besides, I need to convert this assignment to Python from Java) Yeah. [10:32] crimsun: Re espeak: http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/espeak_1.15.orig.tar.gz [10:32] Hobbsee: bionic woman [10:32] TheMuso: excellent, thank you [10:32] np [10:32] crimsun.... TO Java!/ [10:32] *!? [10:32] Fujitsu: (I think you misparsed that) [10:32] crimsun: dude, you seriously need a break [10:32] Oops. [10:32] True. [10:33] remember, I don't need more insanity [10:33] Come on crimsun, take a break :) [10:33] LaserJock: yes, well, obviously... [10:33] crimsun: do you rememebr you helped me out a little while back when my usb-audio midi device was being cpicked up as hw0 [10:33] cbx33: vaguely, hopefully you're not offended if I don't say it's crystal-clear [10:33] i recently setup a new machine .... can you remember what we did? [10:34] heheh np [10:34] cbx33: what was the original issue? [10:34] when I boot with my USB midi box plugged in [10:34] it steals hw0 [10:34] so JACK throws a fit [10:34] oh, this must be a dapper box [10:34] if I plug it in after booted up [10:35] it's fine [10:35] yes it is [10:35] will hopefully be edgy soon [10:35] ok, I 'fixed' that in #31109, #46996, and #46998 by placing the following in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base: [10:36] options snd-usb-audio index=-2 [10:36] thank [10:37] np [10:40] crimsun: on the ubuntustudio.com setup page....they have it written as options snd-usb-audio index=1 which didnt work, should I notify them? [10:40] well, you should tell them this: [10:40] index=1 is valid only if you also explicitly specify index=0 for another card (via an options line) [10:40] btw, they are going to start working on mubuntu [10:41] ah i see [10:41] LaserJock: cool [10:41] cbx33: congratulations [10:41] cbx33: fix all of universe with Fujitsu. kthnksbye! [10:41] thanks Hobbsee [10:41] I was talking to them about getting metapackages in Universe [10:42] Mubuntu? [10:42] LaserJock: it's funny I had actually written a short spec about meta packages for an ubuntustudio subdistro [10:42] and a few weeks later mubuntu popped up [10:42] Fujitsu: multimedia ubuntu [10:42] cbx33: Where can one find out more about mubuntu? [10:43] well, one of the guys was wanting to write an Automatix script to do it [10:43] LaserJock, you said the forbidden. [10:43] mhm [10:43] TheMuso: I don;t know [10:43] so I helped straighten some things out [10:43] That's just wrong wrong wrong... And I hope they do eventually get their metapackages in. [10:43] Good, good. [10:43] I just hope it's going to include things like ardour [10:44] TheMuso: you could ask on #ubuntu-studio I think [10:44] the question was how to handle Multiverse packages [10:44] so I suggested making mubuntu-desktop and also mubuntu-multiverse metapackages [10:44] LaserJock: good plan [10:45] Yeah. [10:45] What multiverse stuff do they use? [10:45] lame [10:46] LaserJock: Thanks. [10:46] anyway, I encouraged them to get things into Universe/Multiverse and go the packaging route as opposed to the Automatix route [10:46] so hopefully something will come of it [10:46] LaserJock: ++ [10:46] if not, I may pick up the interest ;) [10:46] LaserJock, I hope you succeed. The less Automatix in the world, the better. [10:47] dolson is a cool dude and knows how to package [10:47] so I think it'll work out [10:47] The biggest problem with something like mubuntu for audio etc is a realtime kernel. [10:47] yes [10:47] but then I havn't had a problem with it [10:47] I have decided that when I get things set up here, I will be using another distro for audio stuff, for a few reasons. === TheMuso likes to use the realtime patch. [10:48] well, the -rt kernel itself isn't that big an issue; it's integrating -rt with the other Ubuntu patches === Bazzi [n=Bastian@p5080041B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:48] crimsun: Indeed. [10:48] I looked at it for Breezy, ran away, then looked at it again for Dapper and ran away again, so I didn't bother for Edgy [10:48] -rt is so damn intrusive. [10:49] crimsun: It may be easier starting vanilla, applying -rt, and then putting the other stuff on top of that. [10:50] But I don't know a hell of a lot about it. [10:50] that's the plan [10:50] although honestly I'm not sure the approach is worth the go [10:50] Right. [10:51] most people aren't going to be buying exotic hardware, ala bigiron, for their setups [10:51] crimsun: ++ [10:51] it seems to work fine with my setup === LaserJock puts on some 92kbs .mp3-converted-to-.ogg stuff for the audiophiles [10:51] crimsun: I have found the -rt patch when I have used it to be really nice however. [10:52] maybe I shoul dbuy a delta1010 [10:52] TheMuso has 3 of those iirc [10:52] cbx33: I have a 1010LT and love it. [10:52] crimsun: A Delta 66, a 1010LT, and a DMX 6Fire 24/96. [10:52] ah [10:52] All synched toghether. [10:53] together even [10:53] oooh [10:53] lovely [10:53] I had a small studio whilst at uni [10:53] three synced is damned impressive [10:53] And with a little patch to alsa-lib to one of teh plugins, it works with jack. [10:53] akai DPS12i - logic gold - spriti folio [10:53] JACK rocks [10:53] I'd like to get more into it again [10:53] With 3 synched cards, damn right it does. [10:53] I hope I get to work on the sounds for edgy + ` [10:54] 1 [10:54] right, ajmitch [10:54] have I got a deal for you! [10:54] cbx33: Were you the one who did the sounds for edgy? [10:54] If so, I have some ideas for edgy+1. [10:55] I want a seasonal sound theme selector for edgy+1 ;-) [10:55] that's crazy talk [10:55] Hey thats not a bad idea. :) [10:56] next thing you know they'll be wanting seasonal ponies [10:56] crimsun: well, like I ever listen to sound in Linux [10:56] but still, if I did, that's what I'd want === TheMuso turns off sound also. [10:56] sound? pssht, what's that? [10:56] Although I quite like the sounds for this release. [10:57] tbh I think Edgy is more polished than Dapper [10:57] crimsun: that thing that never works [10:57] ;-) [10:57] TheMuso: yes it was me [10:57] don't make me invoke the pointy stick o' doom [10:57] I have a change to make to the shutdown one yet though [10:57] Ah right. [10:57] it's too darn long [10:58] Agreed. [10:58] heheh [10:58] TheMuso: want to move to a pm? [10:58] I'm interested in hearing your ideas [10:58] I'm my P I it's not too long, j/k [10:58] s/I'm/on/ [10:58] shesh, lack of sleep [10:58] cbx33: WHy did you choose a plain key of C major? :) [10:58] it's just right on my Athlon 3200 here as well [10:59] cbx33: sure [10:59] TheMuso: I dunno.....just seemed to work i guess [11:01] ok, preparing for release [11:01] should I remove my changelog of all the cruft between versions on revu? [11:01] (ie can it say -10 Initial release) [11:01] or will people wonder where 1-9 went [11:02] 0.1-0ubuntu1 [11:02] or rather, 1.0-0ubuntu1 [11:02] Plug, you shouldent bump the version each time you upload to revu ;) [11:02] REVU is rather interesting that way [11:02] Erm, I'd think you should do excatly that [11:02] the only thing that's necessary is that it should be something-0ubuntu1 [11:02] not exactly the true packaging experience [11:03] so you can tell builds apart somehow! [11:03] always including the source tarball, for instance [11:03] crimsun: I am currently up to -0ubuntu10 [11:03] they are seperated by date on REVU [11:03] so I can regress, or use an epoch, or something [11:03] imbrandon: packages built from REVU aren't [11:04] Plug: from a maintainer's perspective, it makes more sense to have the initial Edgy upload be foo-0ubuntu1 [11:04] REVU wont care if its an older version uploaded [11:04] I'd avoid epochs [11:04] the packages on REVU are sperated by date [11:04] so you can upload the same version over and over without problems [11:04] Plug: besides, with whichever vcs you're using, the changes are already tracked [11:04] I'd be worried that people will build the package to test, and how can you tell one -0ubuntu1 version from another, easily, as a tester [11:04] yea what laserjock said ( if dput complains remove the .upload file ) [11:05] so the consensus appears to be, go back to -0ubuntu1 :) [11:05] Plug, by date on revu [11:05] Plug: for the initial Ubuntu upload, that's my suggestion === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-88-207.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:06] imbrandon: harder when I've build a binary package from the source I downloaded, but people using REVU have to be careful I guess [11:07] why? [11:07] from what ive been told, the version should always stay at what is targeted for upload to the archives on REVU [11:07] most of the time they aren't going to be grabing 5 different versions [11:07] I quite often build binaries of versions of something I'm working on, for people to test [11:08] only the latest [11:08] ah, well that sort of makes sense [11:08] sure , just tag something like ~test1 etc on it ( just dont upload that to revu ) === Plug uploads a version that might be construed as 9 versions old ;) [11:09] TheMuso: out of curiosity, does libespeak1 not contain anything that was formerly in espeak? [11:10] crimsun: Versions prior to 1.15 did not have a shared library. libespeak1's contents is entirely new. [11:11] TheMuso: ok. And espeak-data is entirely new for post-1.11? [11:11] crimsun: espeak-data is stuff that was in espeak from version 1.11 and before. Espeak-data was created as the shared library as well as the binary executable need the data it contains. Have I used the conflicts/replaces stuff incorrectly? [11:12] (i.e., checking if it makes more sense to C+R < 1.15) [11:12] no, your intent is correct [11:12] TheMuso: Stupid question, if I may. [11:12] StevenK: Fire away. [11:13] crimsun: I did that because there weren't any versions that were made as packages between 1.11 and 1.15 [11:13] TheMuso: Well, it depends if you have used Orca. [11:13] StevenK: If I've used orca, hell yes I have! [11:13] TheMuso: right, I'm trying to cover the case where someone [perhaps overzealous] has taken your prior packaging infrastructure and generated his/her own debs, say for 1.14 [11:14] TheMuso: Bart likes it, except for one niggling thing. If he is moving down a list, when he moves the next element, it should stop saying the previous element - which it doesn't. [11:14] TheMuso: Is there some way to set that behaviour? [11:14] StevenK: What prog? [11:14] It seems to occur for everything. [11:14] Even icons on the desktop, for example. [11:15] Is he using flat review mode, or just the arrow keys? [11:15] And what version of orca? [11:17] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3262 === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:17] go go go! :) [11:17] TheMuso: 1.0.0-0ubuntu1 [11:17] TheMuso: However, for the other question, I couldn't say. [11:18] Right. [11:18] What synth? [11:18] Emacspeak [11:18] Right. [11:19] Because I haven't had such weird problems. I'll have another play later, but I can't remember such behavior happening. === StevenK wonders if Bart followed through with his threat of posting to the mailing list. [11:19] Bart, StevenK? [11:20] I haven't seen any posts yet. [11:20] Fujitsu: Bart Bunting. [11:20] Fujitsu: Bart Bunting, a vision-impaired co-worker of mine [11:20] Aha. [11:21] TheMuso: Any help/pointers would be cool. === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:22] does someone know how to make scp skip already existing files? [11:22] StevenK: I'll see what I can find. [11:22] TheMuso: Thanks muchly [11:23] StevenK: No problem. [11:23] COming to SLUG on Friday? === StevenK writes out a sticky note, "I owe TheMuso one upload" [11:23] TheMuso: Not this month. [11:23] RIghto [11:23] StevenK: DOn't mention it. [11:24] dholbach: I apply your patch, and it seams now good for revu. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3253 .Thanks [11:24] givre: rock and roll [11:25] (to upload you can do this: debuild -S -sa -k ) [11:25] so I could do debuild -S -sa -kdaniel.holbach@ubuntu.com [11:25] that's when I sponsor uploads for somebody else [11:25] but good work on the package [11:25] somebody else to review it, so we can get it in? [11:25] ok, time for bed for me [11:25] nn LaserJock [11:25] gnight LaserJock [11:25] night LaserJock [11:25] hi dholbach [11:26] 'night, LaserJock. [11:26] 16 hr Ubuntu day [11:26] dholbach, that'd be nice. === dholbach hugs LaserJock [11:26] Fujitsu: hm? [11:26] Fujitsu: you review it too? [11:26] Getting it in :) [11:26] dholbach, I could... [11:26] cool [11:26] I can't actually advocate it, though. [11:26] because we need a revu admin for that? [11:27] Fujitsu, poke ajmitch about that later , he can fix you up [11:27] OK, will do :) [11:27] Fujitsu: just add your comment then === Zdra [n=zdra@30.249-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:27] that's good enough [11:27] ;) [11:27] sire.tart is active now [11:27] bah, don't let mere formalities get in the way of raging Ubuntu-holic MOTU action === dholbach high-fives Laser_away [11:27] that's the spirit [11:28] Can I use dget or something on REVU? [11:28] on the dsc file yes [11:28] dget [11:28] OK, good. [11:28] Thanks :) [11:29] dholbach, is that dh@ you ? [11:29] imbrandon: yes [11:29] cool ok [11:31] Plug, looking at yours now [11:31] imbrandon: thanks! [11:31] dholbach: great, thanks for the tips, i'll remember it [11:31] givre: cheers [11:32] My connection to imbrandon's server has just become really laggy :( [11:32] hum [11:33] Is ntfs-3g meant to have a large number of changelog entries? [11:33] I don't think so... [11:34] Especially some with the distro set to unstable. [11:34] Or was this in Debian first? [11:34] It can't have been. [11:35] Nothing is in Debian first any more :) [11:35] givre, dholbach: The changelog is iffy. [11:35] Fujitsu: the thing is that i use it in my own repo since the first version [11:35] givre, the changelog is not right... [11:36] For one thing, the version should be -0ubuntu1. [11:36] Not -1ubuntu1, as it's not in Debian yet. [11:36] Fujitsu, upstream can use the debian changelog too ... but it should be -0ubuntu1 [11:36] sed -s 's/unstable/UNRELEASED/' debian/changelog - probably [11:36] :) [11:36] dholbach, yeah. [11:36] And drop the latest version to -0ubuntu1... [11:37] TheMuso: in the future you might find the library-maintenance portion more manageable with dh_install and using *.install [11:37] unless like some upstreams use -N also then its say 0.4.4-2 becomes 0.4.4-2-0ubuntu1 right ? [11:37] crimsun, ^^ [11:37] imbrandon, yes. [11:37] And do we really want: [11:37] Conflicts: ntfs-3g (<=20070811-BETA-1) [11:37] There? [11:37] in that case you get Hobbsee and poke upstream til upstream makes the version sane [11:37] hehe [11:38] crimsun: The makefile for the source doesn't create symlinks, and does not have an install target. [11:38] Because the version wasn't released, it seems a little odd to label it as a conflict. [11:38] TheMuso: understood, just looking over debian/rules atm [11:38] Right. [11:38] Fujitsu, yea so like 20070920-BETA-1-0ubuntu1 [11:38] ugh that ugly though [11:38] Ah, so the 20070920-BETA-1 is upstream? [11:39] he is upstrream afaik [11:39] Aha! [11:39] Nice. [11:40] erm maybe not [11:41] wow ok looking at the upsream version numbers this package is actualy all wrong ( versioning wise ) ..... *looks* [11:41] Fujitsu: conflicts was due to a change inthe packaging in 20070811-BETA-1, so it was important to put it for my repo [11:41] imbrandon: i'm not upstream, but i'm in contact with [11:42] Fujitsu: i think the best should be simply to do a new version with only the edgy version in changelog [11:42] givre, yes, and eliminating the Conflict. [11:42] And I don't see the point of README.Debian. [11:43] hrm looks like it needs to be ntfs-3g_2006.09.20-0ubuntu1 [11:43] Fujitsu: right i'll do that [11:43] http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfs-3g-download.html going by upstream [11:43] Thanks, imbrandon. [11:43] So, to summarise ('cause I can't comment on REVU): [11:43] * Version number is wrong [11:44] * Changelog wants redoing [11:44] * Remove Conflicts from debian/control... [11:44] * README.Debian is a little pointless. [11:44] I think that's about it. [11:45] yea if this package isnt native ( its not ) the cahngelog only needs to be "initial release " [11:45] changelog* [11:45] imbrandon: the thing is upstream version is ntfs-3g-20070920-BETA [11:46] givre, will upstream every have a non-date-based release? [11:46] all of them are beta, they ahvent come out of that phase, they version by date ( your going off the tarbal name ) [11:46] *ever [11:46] imbrandon, if they ever release a non-date-based one, 20070920 is going to be greater than it. [11:47] Fujitsu: he want to change that in the future, but not yet [11:47] Fujitsu, they havent so far, but thats where epocs come in [11:47] imbrandon, I've never looked into epochs myself. === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-174-130.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:47] Any REVU admins around? [11:48] givre, btw that tarbal is misnumbered ( its not 2007 yet ) [11:48] Fujitsu: (perhaps siretart) [11:48] Fujitsu: I could comment but I don;t have my login details [11:48] not here anyway ;) [11:48] siretart, ping. [11:48] Thanks, imbrandon. [11:48] Oops, crimsun. [11:48] fujitsu basicly the shor story is 1:1.0 > 20060927 [11:48] imbrandon, I realise. [11:49] Otherwise there'd be no point to them :) [11:49] ;) [11:50] imbrandon: i'm not sure but i think he made a mistake in the first release and don't want to change it back to not conflicts with older version [11:50] Fujitsu: I can get my pass for REVU did you want me to add those comments [11:50] anyhow givre they misnumbers the tarbal and http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfs-3g-download.html on that page but the actualy program number is the date in 2006 [11:50] cbx33, don't bother, I've given them to givre here, so it's not important. [11:50] ok np [11:51] i already did it cbx33 [11:51] err Fujitsu [11:52] Thanks :) [11:52] imbrandon: so do you think i should name it 20070920-BETA-1-0ubuntu1 20060920-BETA-1-0ubuntu1 or 20060920-1-0ubuntu1 [11:52] 2006.09.20-0ubuntu1 [11:53] 1.0+20060920-0ubuntu1 ? [11:53] imbrandon: is there a way we can change out REVU passwords? [11:53] Plug, I think that might be better. [11:53] cbx33, no ;( [11:53] At least, the dots in imbrandon's shouldn't be there. [11:53] Plug, no becouse it might not be released as 1.0 [11:53] it might get released as 0.5 [11:53] you have to follow upstream [11:54] imbrandon, that's a good point. [11:54] So 20060920-0ubuntu1 [11:54] True, another number than 1.0 might also suffice then === cbx33 plans to commit his to memory [11:54] why any at all, follow upstream IF they release a numbered version use an epoc , thats what they are made for [11:54] now I am a MOTU, does this mean I can advocate pacakges? [11:55] cbx33, once an admin enables it. [11:55] imbrandon: so i have to follow upstream but correct his mistake ( wrong date) ? [11:55] imbrandon, yeah. [11:55] if you can, look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3262 ;) [11:55] cbx33, if you have spoke to a revu admin yes ;) [11:56] TheMuso: done, thanks. [11:56] Plug, yes i have it building now [11:56] crimsun: Thank you. [11:56] imbrandon: indeed - thank you - but I believe I need 2, and the more feedback the better! [11:56] givre, yea thats just a mistake in the TARBAL NAME, if you look at the actual release numbers on the downloads page and the changelog [11:57] thats what to go by [11:57] imbrandon: so do you mean...for every package....once a REVU admin is happy then I can advocate...or just to tell a revu admin I am a motu now? [11:57] cbx33, the latter [11:57] imbrandon: ok, thanks [11:58] once you have been "upgraded" on revu you can, its not automagic /yet/ [11:58] thanks imbrandon [11:59] Is Launchpad mooted to have revu-like capacity at any stage in the future? [11:59] someday ;) === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:11] How does apt handle version numbers, which is considered newer: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-generic-2.6.17_2.6.17.5-5 or ..5-5.1 ? [12:11] dpkg --compare-versions iirc [12:11] "man dpkg" tells you [12:12] ok, thanks [12:12] hmm, that tells you how to test, but doesn't say why [12:12] what are the two version numbers? [12:13] 2.6.17-10-generic-2.6.17.5-5 and 2.6.17-10-generic-2.6.17.5-5.1 [12:13] imbrandon: for some reason I already have the advocate capability [12:14] xopher: the latter is greater [12:14] xopher, " dpkg --compare-versions 2.6.17-10-generic-2.6.17.5-5 gt 2.6.17-10-generic-2.6.17.5-5.1 && echo yes " [12:14] allright, thanks [12:15] Wow. Another kernel. === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=mario@89-172-232-162.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mario_ [n=mario@89-172-232-162.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:28] imbrandon: thanks! === givr1 [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-53-127.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] motu: O [12:30] *:O [12:30] Fujitsu: pong [12:31] siretart, hi. I'm a MOTU now, can my REVU account please be modified to exhibit such capabilities? [12:31] (william.grant@ubuntu.com.au) [12:32] Fujitsu: When did you get MOTU? [12:32] StevenK, this morning at about 6:20 :) [12:32] siretart: mine too if you have time [12:32] Fujitsu: Nice! Congrats. [12:32] Thanks :) === StevenK ponders reading the logs to see what crack Keybuk and mjg59 were on. [12:33] Fujitsu: cbx33 congrats! [12:33] cbx33: your revu id? [12:33] Thanks siretart :) [12:33] petesavage@ubuntu.com === Fujitsu attacks StevenK. === StevenK wards it off easily. [12:33] True, with your uber-DD powers. [12:34] done (both) === StevenK buggers out into the repainted big blue room. [12:34] siretart, thanks :) === siretart wants DD powers as well! === Hobbsee [n=user@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:34] me 3 [12:34] thankx siretart [12:34] siretart: I know a good plastic surgeon... [12:34] StevenK: oh. sounds promising [12:34] lol [12:35] hmm? [12:39] imbrandon, Fujitsu : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3263 ;) [12:39] givr1, noted, I'm about to advocate. [12:43] givr1, I hate to say it... [12:43] But it looks fine! [12:44] Fujitsu: thanks [12:44] Fujitsu: why hate ? [12:44] Who knows :P [12:45] Advocated on REVU. Now you just need to find somebody else. [12:46] Fujitsu: ok, many thanks [12:47] No problem :) [12:47] dholbach, imbrandon : ^^^ ;) === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] givr1, sorry was afk, looking now [12:50] Fujitsu: you can advocate now! Maaaaaaaaaaate! :) [12:50] Plug, true. I'll have a look at -pptp. [12:52] cheers [12:52] givr1, uploaded [12:52] (cutting it rather fine!) I'm off to bed [12:55] imbrandon, Fujitsu :great. Many thanks guys :) [12:55] No problem, givr1. Thankyou for putting in the work to package it! [12:56] givr1, thanks for the package, ok i'm off to bed soon gnight fellas [12:56] Goodnight, imbrandon. === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] Fujitsu, and btw , shiney new kernel just for you ( -10-generic ) [12:57] heh [12:57] :P [12:57] imbrandon: rock on [12:57] givr1: way to go! [12:57] hehe gnight dholbach [12:58] can someone point me to the MOTU python packaging policy? [12:59] (i've seen the deb py policy, i was wondering if MOTU has other requirements) [12:59] lastnode, nope, just the Debian one. [12:59] Fujitsu, thanks a lot. [12:59] No problem. === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@pD9E295B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] Fujitsu, just reading the policy doc here, and is it necessary to bytecompile py modules? or is that just an option? [01:03] (using python-support/central) [01:03] lastnode, I believe it's optional, but I couldn't be sure. [01:06] ok, much thanks again, Fujitsu === xopher [n=xopher@a84-230-121-147.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] good afternoon [01:18] Hi phanatic. [01:18] hey Fujitsu [01:19] Fujitsu: congrats for -dev ;) [01:19] Thanks :) === Hobbsee_ [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] Heya gang [01:35] Hi bddebian [01:35] Heya Mr. MOTU :-) [01:35] Heya Mr. Hon. God :-) [01:37] Hon? [01:37] Honourable. [01:37] Ahh :-) === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] <\sh> moins [01:52] Hey \sh. [01:52] hey \sh [01:53] Hi \sh [01:56] \sh: have you heard from amu at all recently? [01:57] <\sh> Riddell: he is behind me [01:57] oh, cool :) === ogra waves at \sh and amu [01:57] <\sh> I told him to come [01:58] \sh: can you ask him if he got my e-mail, I'd like to sort out the issue with his shop before someone gets upset [01:59] <\sh> done...he will connect in a few [01:59] <\sh> hey ogra === Hobbsee waves at ogra [02:00] <\sh> did I already say that I dislike SLES10? === ogra waves at Hobbsee :) [02:00] :) === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-58-99.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@94.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] any other good candidates for getting uploaded? [02:03] I added some comments to gnomescan yesterday [02:03] some of them should be easy to fix [02:05] dholbach: thanks for the comments on grasynco [02:05] I'll get that fixed up for edgy + 1 [02:05] can't we get that fixed for edgy? :) === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] not much point really [02:05] or [02:05] hmm no [02:06] ok [02:06] because it would need to update the latest edgy +1 cd isos [02:06] dholbach, its a tool to download milestone releases :) [02:06] and i looked at firefox-launchpad-ingetragion [02:06] or whatever it was called [02:06] it'd be nice to get it renamed, to not clash with LPI [02:06] but apart from that it was good to go [02:06] ok [02:06] dholbach, not much point fixing it one day before beta i guess :) === Fujitsu runs off to bed. [02:07] edgy users could download edgy+1 isos [02:07] bye Fujitsu [02:07] hmmm true [02:07] See ya, dholbach [02:07] but we don;t know what format the edgy + 1 archive will take [02:07] could be some name changes [02:10] dholbach: I renamed my firefox-launchpad-integration [02:11] lionelp: ROCK ON [02:11] lionelp: will look into getting it uploaded later [02:11] i'll be out for lunch now [02:11] but the packaging looked good [02:11] np [02:11] so bribe somebody else into lookint at it in the meantime ;-) === dholbach hugs lionelp [02:11] see you later! [02:11] thanks [02:11] anytime [02:12] somone to have a look on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3254 ? (firefox-launchpad-plugin) === Zdra [n=zdra@30.249-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:14] bddebian ? === pygi looks [02:22] lionelp: is this some kind of firefox plugin? [02:22] yes === hub [n=hub@193.1.232.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] it adds in quick search fields search on launchpad [02:22] this is not an extension (in Firefox words) [02:23] hm, perhaps you should note the depend on firefox by version because firefox sometimes breaks compatibility? [02:23] ah [02:23] lionelp: thought it was regular extension, sorry [02:24] homepage seems non-reachable :P === lfittl [n=lfittl@194.50.115.210] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] It is a blank page [02:24] I have to change it (my own website) [02:25] I'll do it :) [02:25] seems nice otherwise :) [02:25] cool :) [02:26] at least by quick looking over it :p [02:28] im trying to wrap my head around packaging. if im packaging an app that uses an interpreted language like python, i dont need /debian/rules do i? [02:30] how debdiff should be named ? [02:31] Adri2000: doesnt matter [02:31] ok [02:32] Hobbsee: W: gtodo source: changelog-should-mention-nmu [02:32] W: gtodo source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.14+cvs20050820-2ubuntu1 [02:32] can i ignore or not ? [02:32] you can [02:32] you can ignore both of those warnings - they're debian specific [02:32] ubuntu has no NMUs === Hobbsee sneaks more MB onto ogra's cds while he isnt looking, again [02:33] gah [02:33] evil you [02:33] :) === Hobbsee flashes her evil red eyes around [02:33] ogra: muhahahha. that's definetly me. [02:34] lastnode: you do need one. all packages require this file. [02:35] sivang, ok, thanks [02:36] http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/gtodo_0.14+cvs20050820-2ubuntu1.debdiff < does it look good? [02:36] i don't know where these two lines come from: [02:36] only in patch2: [02:36] unchanged: [02:37] evening all === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] Heya ajmitch === ajmitch shouldn't go on irc just before bed [02:39] hah. Just converted this Java assignment to both Python /and/ Ruby. [02:39] well done crimsun [02:43] hey ajmitch [02:43] hi Hobbsee === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] can someone check my debdiff please? === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] can someone remind me how to do a sync request? [02:52] report a bug [02:53] seaLne: use the request sync script on DeveloperResources [02:54] but universe freeze is tomorrow === Hobbsee wonders if the sync requests have to be in by then, or the syncs have to be done by then. [02:55] Hobbsee: well, after tommorow, you'll need Universe exception I take it [02:56] hmmm [02:56] Correct. === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] Hobbsee: afaik they'll try & clear backlog of syncs that were filed beforehand [02:59] going from what happened with dapper [03:00] ajmitch: oh good [03:00] if not, you'll find out :) [03:04] heh [03:04] then i'll whinge [03:10] Hobbsee: the script dosen't try to use your local mailserver which seems strange and breaks therefore for me [03:10] seaLne: the new one uses the ubuntu default one, yes. [03:10] seaLne: you can change it though [03:10] or just do it manually [03:11] just send a mail with that content? [03:14] does a motu need to confirm it? [03:14] Bug #62615 [03:14] Malone bug 62615 in sleuthkit "Please sync sleuthkit (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62615 === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] it builds fine === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=mario@89-172-205-151.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] Hobbsee, seaLne, fancy revuing this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3264 ? === pygi will also look [03:25] ooooooh does that work? ;) [03:25] no way I'm reviewing anything right now, it's way past my bedtime :) [03:26] hehe === Hobbsee wonders what the star in debian/control is for [03:26] it's half 2 in the afternoon here [03:27] so... the magical incantation: "fancy revuing this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3211 ?" ;) === lupine_85 is more or less resigned to it not getting into universe until edgy+1 [03:28] Hobbsee: *? [03:28] seaLne: ah, nothing, in the description :) [03:29] seaLne: yes [03:29] where? [03:29] Tonio_: you have probably un-needed "*" in description in debian/control :) [03:29] oh found it [03:29] http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/knetstats-0609270920/knetstats-1.6/debian/control [03:30] Hobbsee: do sync requests need a motu ack? [03:30] seaLne: yep [03:30] seaLne: two acks I take it [03:30] no, just one [03:30] Hobbsee: ok, oki :P [03:30] and to follow the policy [03:30] pygi: humyeah true, I'll change before upload [03:30] how's the REVUing going? [03:30] posted on ubuntu-devel-announce [03:30] Hobbsee: fancy looking at Bug #62615 ? [03:30] Malone bug 62615 in sleuthkit "Please sync sleuthkit (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62615 [03:30] Tonio_: otherwise seems fine for me (Disclaimer: I'm NOT motu) [03:31] pygi: thanks [03:31] pbuilding knetstats just now [03:31] seaLne: builds and installs fine? [03:31] yep [03:31] Tonio_: looks good to me too, apart from the aforementioned star. [03:31] Tonio_: the "." should probably be at the end of sentence, and not in new line also :P [03:32] that is a formating thing for control files [03:32] ergh,right [03:32] sorry :) [03:32] Hobbsee great, can you comment on revu ? I'll fix the start before upload [03:32] me has some problems with his system :( [03:32] seaLne: done [03:33] Tonio_: just ignoreme :) [03:33] ta [03:34] Tonio_: done [03:34] pygi: hehe :) [03:34] Hobbsee thanks, I'm just waiting for sealne [03:34] i'm not a motu [03:34] argh.... [03:34] okay [03:35] sorry [03:35] hehe === Hobbsee didnt ack it. [03:37] but i can confirm it works well for me [03:37] Hobbsee just reuploaded so that you can advocate [03:38] *ooooh a bug in rutilt === lupine_85 fixes [03:38] i wonder how it decides what bw is the top of the applet === Hobbsee waits for it to hit [03:38] Hobbsee: can you look at bug #48628 and see if the debdiff is good [03:38] Malone bug 48628 in gtodo "gtodo.desktop: Missing Encoding Directive" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/48628 === Mirrado [n=Mirrado@20150109170.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] er, you've just moved the encoding bit up? [03:40] yep :p [03:41] not really difficult to did but it fixes the problem [03:42] hmmm okay === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:45] you can pbuild it to check, it is not very long to build [03:45] Hobbsee: just waiting for a "yes" ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3264 [03:45] Hobbsee: then is it ok to upload? [03:46] Tonio_: done :) [03:46] Tonio_: i just refreshed it [03:46] Adri2000: poke Tonio_, i'm not uploading at this time of night :P [03:46] unless i absolutely have to === Zdra_ [n=zdra@44.186-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:48] Hobbsee: heh :p i didn't realized, it's afternoon here [03:49] Tonio_: ? ;-) [03:49] oh gosh, i love bugs like this. https://launchpad.net/bugs/62618 [03:49] Malone bug 62618 in kdeartwork "edgy default purple color ugly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [03:49] Hobbsee: lol [03:50] a) it's in the wrong package. b) it's a design issue, not everyone likes everything c) it's very easy for the user to change d) see point b) [03:50] can someone else reject that? [03:50] purple ++ ; [03:50] * ;) [03:52] exactly :) [03:53] brown -- though [03:54] <\sh> Hobbsee: why don't you reject it? [03:54] \sh: i did. i was trying to think of a way to do it diplomatically [03:54] Adri2000: yep ? [03:55] oh, my. revu + F5 is bad [03:55] Tonio_: bug 48628, look at the debdiff i posted, if it's ok for you, can you upload ? [03:55] Malone bug 48628 in gtodo "gtodo.desktop: Missing Encoding Directive" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/48628 [03:56] Adri2000: yep, look okay, but I will not upload for dapper, only edgy. [03:56] Adri2000: I'm building and if it is ok, uploading [03:57] ok [04:00] Adri2000: you should ping the debian maintainer to add the patch, since this package is synced === Zdra__ [n=zdra@183.200-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] Tonio_: ok, i will email him === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:03] Tonio_: hum are you sure the problem occurs also in debian? because the adding of "X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=gtodo" seems ubuntu specific [04:03] hum indeed :) [04:08] Adri2000: uploaded [04:09] :-) thank you [04:09] Adri2000: de rien :) [04:10] ah ! franais ;) [04:14] Hobbsee: you like stupid bugs ? [04:14] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/62291 [04:14] Malone bug 62291 in kdebase "Image from removable device set as background not kept" [Unknown,Confirmed] [04:15] this one is *very* stupid too :) === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-229-117.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:15] Tonio_: ooh, lovely. i vaguely remember seeing that. we really do need a response for "your bug is stupid. try "no"." - but i havent seen one that's diplomatic === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:18] oooh, I don't know. [04:19] suppose could add a dialogue box that asks them if they want to copy to ~ if the path is /media [04:19] maybe we should have a special list of bugs that we keep for when we are in a bad mood to answer :) [04:19] but yeah, a bit silly ;) [04:20] seaLne: the list would get far too long. [04:20] seaLne: and my patience isnt that good. === EdgyEft [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:23] anyone know: [04:23] using cdbs-edit-patch, whitespace in my debian/rules file is causing diff command to fail [04:23] anyone fancy looking at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3268 ? i'm not sure about the last thing in lintian [04:23] I can remove whitespace: DEB_TAR_SRCDIR := snd-8 => DEB_TAR_SRCDIR :=snd-8 [04:23] But it seems like the situation shouldn't be that fragile? [04:23] Is this a bug in cdbs-edit-patch? [04:24] Or a bug in (gasp) make ? [04:24] seaLne: sleuthkit should be in Build-Depends-Indep [04:25] lfittl: with the others as is? [04:26] yep, although I am not completly sure about dpatch [04:26] lfittl: actually can yu clarify what you just said as i misread it and now it dosen't make sense to me, did you mean the other way round? [04:26] sure :) [04:26] Build-Depends-Indep: debhelper (>> 5.0.0), dpatch [04:26] Build-Depends: sleuthkit [04:26] ? [04:26] exactly [04:27] argh [04:27] no [04:27] swap Build-Depends-Indep and Build-Depends ;) === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb4fb00-7.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-17-223.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] then it complains with a different error [04:27] hrmm [04:27] http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/autopsy-0609271015/lintian [04:28] mom, will take a closer look at it === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 5.0.0), dpatch [04:31] Build-Depends-Indep: sleuthkit [04:32] seaLne: ^ [04:32] works for me === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asimon [n=asimon@p54A5E770.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:41] lfittl: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3271 [04:41] lintian still seems unhapy [04:42] seaLne: because you have dpatch and debhelper in build-depends-indep, they should be in build-depends and sleuthkit should be in build-depends-indep [04:42] Tonio_: the new release should appear in launchpad first ? [04:42] lfittl: arrrggggg :) [04:43] Adri2000: yeah, you should see the source package before it gets built [04:44] ok === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] lfittl: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3272 === Gervystar [n=alessand@host52-173-static.120-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:47] :) [04:48] seaLne: you should also mention that change in debian/changelog === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:56] lfittl: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3273 === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:03] seaLne: looks good, will upload in ~ 10 min === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-17-223.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Mirrado [n=Mirrado@20150109170.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:05] lfittl: thanks for your help [05:05] no problem ;) === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:08] seaLne: uploaded === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [n=michael@dialin111120.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _gus_ [n=gus@r200-40-247-65-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-226-54.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:32] lfittl: could you review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3254 ? [05:33] lionelp: sure [05:33] thanks :) === pygi [n=mario@89-172-200-21.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:36] lionelp: why are you removing *.old and debootstrap-dir on clean? === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-17-223.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:38] lfittl: should be the result of a copy-paste [05:38] it is useless, that's true [05:38] ah, ok, removing the useless stuff from debian/rules is still nice ;) === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:39] also, .PHONY lists the checkroot target, which doesn't exist, and the build-stamp target is not creating the file build-stamp [05:40] and build should not depend on install, instead binary-indep should depend on build and install [05:43] lfittl: ok, modified [05:43] :) [05:43] What the .PHONY line used for ? [05:46] normally each target is used to create the file that corresponds to its name, .PHONY says that all the targets it depends on have nothing to do with files [05:47] Oki, thansk ! [05:47] -> http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Phony-Targets.html for further information ;) [05:47] lfittl: something to add before I upload it again ? [05:48] no looks good, but haven't tested it yet, will do a quick build + test === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@catv-tisnov-86.selfnet.cz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:51] lionelp, lfittl: I'll give my ok later on, after a quick walk [05:51] bbl === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:52] lionelp: one last thing, maybe Section: web fits better than base [05:52] lfittl: changed :) [05:52] :) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:58] lionelp: works, and is useful too, nice work [05:58] lfittl: thanks, but it was not a lot of work :) [05:59] yet another thing I just saw, the description has a Homepage listed, but the page seems to be empty [06:00] lfittl: yes, this is my homepage, I will add something ASAP [06:00] at least a link to the sources [06:00] ah, ok [06:00] or you prefer I delete it ? [06:01] no, if you add something soon its no problem === superm1 [n=mlimon@68-115-81-248.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:03] Ok, uploading with your remarks === superm1 [n=mlimon@68-115-81-248.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra [n=zdra@183.200-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:06] lfittl: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3274 === superm1 [n=superm1@68-115-81-248.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:10] lionelp: build-stamp should not be in .PHONY, debootstrap-dir shouldn't be removed on clean and install target should depend on build, sry to be so picky, but getting debian/rules right is always a good thing to have [06:11] *install should depend on build instead of build-stamp [06:12] but after fixing these little things, it is ready to be uploaded :) [06:12] lfittl: no pb for beeing so picky, it like that I will learn ! [06:13] good === mario_ [n=mario@89-172-233-55.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@68-115-81-248.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-10-201.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:16] lfittl: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3275 === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:19] lionelp: uploaded :) === mario_ [n=mario@89-172-233-113.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:20] \o/ [06:20] thank you very much lfittl [06:20] no problem [06:20] anybody else in need of a package review? [06:20] lionelp: going to install this once it built [06:21] yes [06:21] i uploaded backstep last night [06:21] and looking for revu [06:21] sivang: cool :) [06:22] superm1: will take a look [06:22] lfittl: me :) [06:22] Thx. [06:22] superm1: I can help you with looking over package, link pls? [06:22] sivang: how goes db2? :) [06:22] lupine_85: revu link? [06:22] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3258 === mario_ looks [06:23] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3266 [06:24] lupine_85: will review it after being finished with backstep [06:24] ok :) [06:24] my first package btw so be gentle ;) [06:24] mario_: not using your nick anymore? :) [06:24] sivang: I'm getting dc'ed every several seconds due to this damn adsl connection!!! [06:25] mario_: I see [06:25] sivang: so no point in killing ghosts :) === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:26] mario_: right. [06:26] I know it'll be good :) === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:27] superm1: debian/dirs is not needed, as the directories should be created by $(MAKE) install [06:27] k [06:28] superm1: newest standards version is 3.7.2, and if you don't intend to backport the package to dapper, you should use debhelper level 5 [06:29] when is universe freeze exactly? [06:29] tomorrow, approx. at 1400 UTC [06:30] okay. i can take care of those things then [06:30] anything else? [06:30] not finished yet ;) [06:30] :) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] superm1: please include the full license header that is written in the header files in debian/copyright, also you should mention the Copyright [06:35] s/header files/source files/ [06:36] so i should just copy it verbatim from the license shipped with the package then? [06:36] if all files have the same license, just copy the license header from one of them, for example src/daemon.c [06:37] Ok. Yes, they should all be under GPLv2 [06:37] just format it a little bit nicer, e.g. remove the * comment markes at the beginning, but keep the text [06:37] why? [06:37] the source files seem to mention gplv2 and later [06:38] oh, and later? === hub [n=hub@193.1.232.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:38] i'll have to double check then [06:38] yep, debian/copyright is important, there should be no errors there === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:44] lionelp: congratulations on firefox-launchpad! [06:44] lfittl: thanks [06:44] using "head -n 7 *.c | more", it looks like the headers for all the source files are identical. I'll just copy one of them then. [06:45] dholbach: no problem, getting at least those who are interested in their packages done before UniverseFreeze seems important to me [06:45] to me too [06:46] fine, then you can continue with reviewing http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3266 :P [06:47] mmh, if only my own todo list before freeze would be shorter (ogre update, glest upload, and some debian syncs) [06:47] glest! [06:47] gelst! [06:47] glest! [06:47] heh [06:47] we sitll have time for syncs [06:47] really? := [06:47] :) [06:47] we can consider uvf exceptions for those [06:47] sure [06:47] that depends of course, but still [06:48] hehe, 3266 is tiny :) === dholbach looks at runtilt === lupine_85 looks happy [06:48] glest is easy, the debian pkg-games team has finished the work started on REVU, so it was just a matter of fixing a little automake problem, now I just have to do a quick test build ;) [06:48] that's cool [06:48] glest-data is already approved [06:49] yep, I know [06:49] rock and roll [06:49] but first, 2 package reviews, then glest ;) [06:51] w00t, we are going to get glest? [06:51] join the REVU crew ;) [06:51] what the heck is glest? [06:51] A game [06:51] doh [06:51] dholbach: Right, I haven't done anything for REVU.. [06:52] bddebian: kidding :) [06:52] :) [06:52] :-) [06:52] Though my RL work is kicking my arse so I am behind :'-( [06:53] bah, forget about RL, Ubuntu is all that matters ;-) [06:53] thanks dholbach, and thanks for your help [06:53] lionelp: not to worry [06:53] lionelp: i enjoyed it :) [06:56] superm1: how did you create the orig.tar.gz? (as upstream only provides .tar.bz2) [06:56] extracted it, and recompressed it [06:56] as tar.gz [06:57] run bunzip2, then gzip -9, don't extract it and recompress [06:57] wasn't really sure what to do in cases that tar.gz wasnt avail [06:57] if its a tar.bz2 simply decompress it, and recompress the tarball [06:58] in case of a zip you would have to completely extract it [06:58] ok === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:59] superm1: if you fix all the things mentioned, well done, and it also works here :) [07:00] dholbach: me to :) [07:00] Ok, i'll have it up in a little bit [07:00] lfittl: commented on rutilt [07:00] k, just tell me when it is ready ;) [07:00] does someone with an AMD64 could do a build test for me ? [07:00] on this : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3207 [07:01] I can do it for u after I fix up backstep and upload it if you'd like [07:01] dholbach: ah, good, now I can work on glest, as you already did the first step :) [07:01] * with reviewing rutilt === lupine_85 looks [07:03] tsssssss :) [07:03] lfittl: thanks Mr. Manager [07:03] ah, ok :) [07:03] lfittl: we needed a new MOTU Manager for ages [07:03] lfittl: thanks for taking up the challenge [07:03] hehe === lupine_85 would need to look up debian/patches [07:03] apart from that, seems simple enough :) [07:04] dholbach: a new one? who was the old one? [07:04] thanks - I'll get it done ASAP [07:04] good question :) [07:04] :) [07:04] MOTU manages itself, there is no need for a single manager ;) [07:05] dholbach: have a sec for me? [07:05] pygi: fire away [07:05] lupine_85: are you talking to me? [07:06] dholbach: when exactly tommorow is freeze? I need to get at least one package done (and possibly 6 more if I can get sources in time) [07:06] to dholbach :) [07:06] pygi: dunno yet [07:06] pygi: somewhere I heard 1400 UTC [07:06] dholbach: aha, oki [07:06] lupine_85: dpatch is what you probably want [07:06] thank lfittl [07:07] ok [07:07] dholbach: could you do another build test on your AMD64 for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3207 when you have a little time ? [07:08] lonelp i just kicked it off on mine [07:08] it built fine [07:09] superm1: great ! [07:09] lionelp: sure [07:09] only one thing didnt look so good, but its not amd64 specific [07:09] docbook2x-man debian/nagcon.1.docbook [07:09] I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.2/docbookx.dtd === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.181.76] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:11] lfittl, uploaded the changed package. it juts upadted on the revu page, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3276 [07:12] lionelp: builds nicely - doing a review of the rest [07:13] dholbach: cool [07:15] superm1: just noticed, the version number is wrong, 0.3-0ubuntu1 is the correct one [07:15] oh even though its not coming from debian upstream? [07:15] lionelp: looks SUPER === dholbach hugs lionelp [07:16] if somebody wants to pick up nagcon - go! [07:16] thanks again dholbach! [07:16] lionelp: anytime === ChaosFan [i=sithjanu@faui01.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:16] superm1: we need ubuntu versioning so that debian people can package it too, and their package can update ours, that would be impossible if both Debian and Ubuntu would use 0.3-1 [07:16] ah makes sense [07:17] should i reupload with that version number then, or can you make that minor change when commiting it? [07:17] lfittl: i'll upload gmult and change dapper -> edgy myself [07:18] dholbach: k, same thing with cdpr, will update the standards version and upload ;) [07:19] lfittl: ROCK [07:19] i'll just do a quick edgy testbuild [07:20] lfittl: you will have time to review nagcon ? [07:20] lionelp: maybe later, have to do some own packaging work before the freeze ;) [07:21] lfittl: sure ! [07:26] gmult uploaded === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-45-179.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:29] hmmm.... [07:30] how does one use dpatch to modify a file, when both the original file and the patch to be applied changes every build?! === superm1 [n=superm1@68-115-81-248.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:31] no wait, the target (how I want the file to look) is always the same... === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash__ [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:37] question - can I use debian/rules to edit debian/patches/blah ? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:46] lupine_85: just add the dpatch runes to debian/rules (explained in /usr/share/doc/dpatch), then run dpatch-edit-patch 01-my-patch-that-fixes-the-world [07:46] then do your changes (in a subshell) [07:46] then hit ctrl-d [07:46] then add the patch name to debian/patches/00list [07:47] done [07:47] :) [07:47] but the file to be patched changes every build [07:47] how is the file generated [07:47] by the configure.sh script [07:48] out of nothing or from a .in file? [07:48] out of nothing [07:48] it just uses echo [07:48] I was using sed to edit the generated file directly; I was considering pointing it at the patch file [07:48] don't know if that'd be "allowed" though (seems a bit pointless ;) ) [07:49] the file gets removed every make clean [07:51] why not patch the configure.sh to make the file you want? === hub [n=hub@193.1.232.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:53] hmm... [07:53] that could work :) [07:53] wb hub === dholbach looks at gpixpod [08:01] superm1: sry, totally forgot to answer you, yes please upload again with the correct version [08:04] superm1: another thing, Depends: libgtk2.0-0 is not necessary, $(shlibs:Depends) automatically inserts it === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-55-82-255-128-186.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=fowlduck@205.213.122.169] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Trevinho [n=Trevi@host-84-221-121-122.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:21] LaserJock: hey [08:22] LaserJock: do you have an edgy desktop? Can you tell me whether xmakemol still works fine? [08:22] LaserJock: also, I tried to quickly have a look at the bkchem python stuff last night but failed [08:22] hmm === azeem successfully evaded the new python policy so far [08:22] doh [08:22] I didn't [08:26] azeem: xmakemol looks fine to me [08:26] I loaded a .xyz and moved it around [08:27] great [08:27] cause the current Debian version FTBFS [08:27] bummer === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-55-82-255-128-186.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:28] well, we could merge the dapper Ubuntu changes I guess === yosch_ [n=yosch@lns-bzn-55-82-255-128-186.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:28] Ubuntu doesn't support OpenGL'd motif/lesstif === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu_ is now known as reggaemanu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-55-82-255-128-186.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:56] lfittl, Sorry, stepped out of the office. I fixed the version and changed that dependency, and re-uploaded. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3279 [08:57] LaserJock, do you know if anyone else got a chance to look at mythplugins this morning after brandon did? [08:58] nope, sorry [08:58] do u remember who he had asked? I don't have my log from last night on me [09:00] is there any plan to include the new beta nvidia drivers in edgy or sticking with the version thats there? === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-55-82-255-128-186.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak has strange feeling its gonna be too late when they are released and people are assuming they will be in edgy [09:03] superm1: it was ajmitch I believe [09:04] Ah okay. I'll watch for when ajmitch unidles then and ask him. [09:04] Thanks. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@68-115-81-248.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === superm1 [n=superm1@68-115-81-248.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 is now known as superm1_away === geser [n=michael@leary.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givr1 [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-6-89.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [i=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] I need someone to test glest packages (3d accel is not working for me atm): http://www.ixios-software.com/~lfittl/ubuntu/glest/ / http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3278 === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin [n=albin@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:29] Hi [09:31] please, how can I write a debian/control file that allows two pacakges to remove each other ? [09:31] Lutin: how do you mean? === givr2 [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-25-185.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:33] LaserJock, having foo1 and foo2 removing each other. installing foo1 removes foo2, and install foo2 removes foo1 [09:33] how can I do that [09:33] Conflicts: [09:33] or Replaces: perhaps [09:33] check the Debian Policy [09:34] ok [09:34] Lutin: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps [09:34] LaserJock, thanks === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-174-130.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin [n=albin@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Bye"] [09:46] anybody having time for a quick check? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3281 (just a new upstream version) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-61-11.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:53] morning [09:53] morning ajmitch === Gervystar [n=alessand@2001:1418:1ce:0:20e:a6ff:fea4:4ab5] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1_away is now known as superm1 [10:04] lfittl, thanks for the advocating. Just need one more MOTU to approve and its in right? [10:04] ajmitch, did you get a chance to look at mythplugins after imbrandon did? [10:04] no, was I expected to? [10:05] I thought he had asked you if you could at some point...could have been someone else last night. [10:05] i dont have the log with me here === Lutin [n=albin@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:06] right, he did ask me, and I ended up being very busy again :) [10:06] hehe [10:06] well if you get a chance at some point today, can you take a look then? [10:07] um [10:07] that could be a challenge to find time === ajmitch is just waking up for the morning before going off to work [10:08] Ok. Well I'll keep an eye out for another free MOTU then. [10:08] ok, sorry about that [10:08] Not a big deal, just trying to beat the UVF and have time to fix anything wrong before that :) === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givr1 [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-48-242.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mat__ [n=mat@82.247.157.187] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givr2 [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-30-109.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:19] ping Toadstool [10:21] lionelp: quick pong, I am working [10:21] arf, I was looking for a MOTU to review my package... [10:21] no time now ? [10:21] not for a review, sorry [10:22] lionelp: try cbx33 he's motu since today [10:22] Toadstool: for an upload maybe? :) [10:22] :) === grimace [n=grimace@rolf.yuss.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:22] yeah, thanks Bazzi ! [10:22] sorry I can't uplaod yet [10:22] ping cbx33 [10:22] heh [10:22] arf :) [10:22] my key needs to be signed ;) [10:22] phanatic: I don't upload without reviewing and pdebuilding :p === Toadstool & [10:23] phanatic, neither do I [10:23] cbx33, would you be able to at least do a revu, and let another MOTU revu and upload later? [10:23] I can do a quick scan, but I'm currently in the edubuntu meeting [10:23] and try ing to sort out a few last minute changes [10:23] Toadstool, cbx33: of course, of course... [10:24] haha... Ok. Looking for a look at mythplugins === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-64-25.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:27] looing now === Lutin [n=albin@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Bye"] [10:33] superm1, I'm afraid I havn't got the amoutn of time I hoped [10:33] I'm not toign to be able to loook at it tonight [10:33] Oh ok. [10:33] sorry dude [10:34] Not a big deal. I'll grab another MOTU when they pop around asking what needs to be looked at [10:34] first scan looks ok [10:34] k, well thats good at least then [10:34] congrats on becoming a motu btw [10:38] thanks superm1 === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:40] superm1, have you pbuilt it yet? [10:40] yes [10:40] hi Burgundavia [10:41] good good [10:43] brandon took a look last night, and wanted to get another MOTU opinion about it before giving it another look and committing === mario_ [n=mario@89-172-232-219.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@163-65-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matid [n=matid@195.116.35.7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givr1 [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-36-248.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@pD9E295B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:02] can someone upload my latest debdiff attached to bug 3616? this solves a crash and the compile failures on sparc and ppc. [11:02] Malone bug 3616 in abuse-sdl "Abuse segfaults immediately on start (amd64)" [High,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/3616 [11:03] sure [11:03] crimsun: sweet, thanks. === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-6-9.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:04] Hobbsee_: ping [11:07] crimsun, can I pick you brains [11:09] cbx33: sure, though I will be lagged in response (phone) [11:09] ok....my sound card....currently a crappy onboard NForce2 - seems to only be able to use 48000, JACK is unable to chaneg it [11:09] is there a way to change this as all my recordsing for the ubuntu sounds are at 44 in ardour [11:10] and are suffering from chipmonk syndrome === geser [n=michael@dialin111120.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:10] so -r 44100 fails? [11:11] well in qJACKctl I do th drop down to 22 or 44 and it still starts at 48 [11:12] crimsun, apparent rate = 44100 [11:12] creating alsa driver ... hw:0,0|hw:0,0|1024|2|44100|2|2|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit [11:12] control device hw:0 [11:12] configuring for 44100Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods [11:14] but then in qjackctl it runs at 48000 [11:14] well, the short answer, then, is "maybe". You can try setting up a custom ~/.asoundrc with a rate parameter and then telling [q] jack[ctl] to use it, but that's not recommended. It actually looks like your hardware is locked to 48000 (quite common for via82xx and intel8x0, as in your case) [11:14] grrr [11:14] ok [11:15] hmm [11:15] so qjackctl is displaying two different sampling rates? [11:15] well in the messages it says it's running at 44 [11:15] try passing the values to jack directly [11:15] jackd, sorry [11:15] but the actual hardware monitor says it's at 48000 [11:15] ok [11:16] pygi: how's your packaging going? [11:17] crimsun, I never ran it manually before ;) [11:17] will try now [11:17] LaserJock: erhm...how do I put that.... [11:17] LaserJock: very bad? :) [11:17] pygi: what's happening? [11:17] crimsun, pete 9670 0.4 3.4 36068 36096 ? SLsl 22:17 0:00 /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -r44100 -p1024 -n2 -D -Chw:0,0 -Phw:0,0 -i2 -o2 [11:17] i guess that's a no [11:17] LaserJock: well, other then the fact I lost the touch and I'm useless? :) [11:17] yeah === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:18] what package are you working on? [11:18] LaserJock: brasero [11:18] LaserJock: the debian folks have some problems: [11:19] 1)the version is outdated [11:19] 2)the debian Brasero(Bonfire) maintainer sucks a lot [11:19] But seems we won't have that package for edgy after all :( [11:20] nope it still runs with 48000 [11:20] cbx33: ok, just to check, what's the output from ``grep VRA /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0''? [11:20] you are trying to package a new upstream version? [11:20] hang on [11:20] LaserJock: yup, we dont have that app in Ubuntu [11:20] pygi: but it's in Debian? [11:20] LaserJock: read above two facts :) [11:20] crimsun, nothing [11:20] cbx33: bingo. [11:21] Laserjock would you be able to do a second revu on something lfittl revud/advocated earlier? [11:21] LaserJock: package is outdated (old version) and trust me, you dont want that package in Ubuntu [11:21] cbx33: if the dsp supports it, you'd have something like this: [11:21] Extended ID : codec=0 rev=1 AMAP DSA=0 VRA [11:21] Extended status : VRA [11:21] looks like I need a new sound card then [11:21] hoo freakin ray [11:21] unfortunately, yes [11:21] pygi: right, I'm just trying to understand the package history [11:21] (on the other hand, you didn't want that onboard anyhow!) [11:21] with like only a few days before release [11:22] crimsun, true [11:22] but I can't afford a sound card at the mo [11:22] pygi: so why not do a better package and then submit that upstream when you are done? [11:22] LaserJock: I'm trying to create a better package, you know :) I'm just plainly useless and lost the touch as said above :P [11:25] I'm trying to rebuild gaim-encryption against libnss from firefox. the package builds but doesn't have a depends on libnss [11:25] cbx33: where do you guys in the UK normally buy computer hardware online? [11:25] http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/3872/ shows the warnings from dh_shlibdeps from pbuilder log [11:26] how do I fix this? [11:26] crimsun, I just used scan.co.uk [11:26] pygi: well, don't hesitate to ask here [11:26] and sometimes cclonline.com [11:26] LaserJock: trust me, today nothing can help :) [11:26] heh [11:26] you need more MOTU faith ;-) [11:27] What I believe that I need is more sleep :) [11:27] then sleep my friend [11:28] cbx33: can't :) [11:28] y? [11:28] wouldn't get anything done then :P [11:28] superm1: what's the URL? [11:29] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3279 === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-55-82-255-128-186.adsl.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Bye:] === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw7-fe10f900-10.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:32] pygi: sleep? nah, just fix packages [11:32] ajmitch: As I said, I WOULD if ..... [11:33] you shouldn't let yourself get out of touch :P [11:34] ajmitch: and then you will develop libburn instead of me if I get more up to speed with packaging, right? :) [11:36] of course.. [11:36] LaserJock: it's supposed to be quiet trivial actually if I could just get all the build-deps [11:37] correctly, ofcourse :) === jinty [n=jinty@195.Red-83-58-178.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:41] LaserJock: I'll try early morning tommorow, but I doubt it [11:41] ah well :) [11:45] pygi: should only take a few minutes :) [11:45] ajmitch: few minutes what? [11:45] getting all the build-deps right for a package [11:46] you get them then for me pls :) === adolso1 [n=dana@ppp-66-225-185-128.vianet.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:03] LaserJock: ping [12:06] adolso1: pong [12:07] hi.. === givr1 [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-75-60.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:07] do you have a minute to give advice? [12:08] sure, what do you need? [12:08] is there a better place to discuss this? I don't wanna pollute the motu guys' environment here [12:09] adolso1: if you nick is registered you can pm me === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu