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| fabbione | hey tmarble | 03:33 |
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| tmarble | fabbione: ciao! | 03:34 |
| tmarble | so i'm wondering what kind of an interim solution we can provide for folks -- that is ideally simpler than what you and I had to go through | 03:34 |
| tmarble | and can you share the edgy schedule? beta? FCS/GA? | 03:35 |
| fabbione | at the moment, none.. once beta is out it will take a day or two to have working netbootable images and cd images | 03:35 |
| fabbione | the edgy schedule is on the wiki.. let me find it | 03:35 |
| fabbione | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule | 03:35 |
| fabbione | or better | 03:36 |
| fabbione | beta will work on almost all machine != Niagara | 03:36 |
| fabbione | after beta we will get everybody happy | 03:36 |
| tmarble | ok -- so the key is we will make the final freeze dates (whew!) | 03:37 |
| tmarble | I understand Dave's desire to pinpoint the e1000 driver, but IMHO we really should advocate OPB upgrade in the release notes anyway | 03:37 |
| fabbione | we want both | 03:40 |
| fabbione | if we can get the e1000 fix the better | 03:40 |
| fabbione | otherwise upgrade the OBP | 03:40 |
| tmarble | life is completely crazy, but I really, really hope to document as much of this as possible | 03:41 |
| tmarble | esp. the OBP upgrade | 03:41 |
| tmarble | because we want people to have a good experience | 03:41 |
| tmarble | one of the frustrations now is that we have a very popular T2000 try and buy program, but your company and mine have yet to work out a support plan for T&B customers | 03:41 |
| tmarble | this is a shame for both of us | 03:42 |
| tmarble | you and I documenting what we know (on the wiki) will go a long way to making these prospects happier | 03:42 |
| fabbione | yes i fully agree | 03:43 |
| fabbione | that's something we need to discuss with other sun guys when we will hit San Fran in November | 03:43 |
| tmarble | i'm so tempted to try to get to the bay area for that... it's very political on my side... but i think it would be good... | 03:43 |
| fabbione | i think you should | 03:45 |
| fabbione | do you know Simon Phibbs? | 03:45 |
| tmarble | oh yes | 03:46 |
| tmarble | I just signed his GPG key :-) | 03:46 |
| tmarble | and uploaded it' | 03:46 |
| tmarble | Phipps | 03:46 |
| tmarble | aka webmink | 03:46 |
| fabbione | yeah.. he is also interested in coming there | 03:46 |
| fabbione | you should probably talk to him | 03:46 |
| fabbione | does he irc? | 03:47 |
| tmarble | i'm going to compose a big internal mail on our solving this bug, with Simon and others in CC: -- i'll make a plug for it | 03:47 |
| tmarble | yes -- webmink | 03:47 |
| fabbione | he is not online right now | 03:48 |
| fabbione | * webmink :No such nick/channel | 03:48 |
| tmarble | i know -- i'm pinging him out of band | 03:49 |
| fabbione | ok | 03:49 |
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| tmarble | webmink: welcome and thanks for joining us | 03:50 |
| fabbione | hey webmink | 03:50 |
| webmink | Howdy | 03:50 |
| fabbione | <- Fabio M. Di Nitto | 03:50 |
| fabbione | welcome | 03:50 |
| tmarble | fabionne and i have some great news to share (i'm composing a sun internal e-mail now) | 03:50 |
| fabbione | tmarble: we do? | 03:51 |
| tmarble | we have succeeded to get Ubuntu Edgy to run on T2000 rev2 RoHS Ontario+ !!! | 03:51 |
| fabbione | oh yeah.. well we need to get dapper to run there too | 03:51 |
| fabbione | but at least we know what to look at | 03:51 |
| tmarble | thanks to Matt Keep getting me the box (and lots of other support) we have gotten past some of the nastiest problems | 03:51 |
| tmarble | I'm going make a plug in my annoucement, and to you know, that we both try to attend the Ubuntu dev summit in the Bay Area early nov | 03:52 |
| webmink | Excellent | 03:52 |
| webmink | OK | 03:52 |
| webmink | I have a bunch of OpenSolaris folk attending too | 03:52 |
| fabbione | webmink: i did reply to Mark email to start laying down sparc stuff for edgy+1 | 03:52 |
| tmarble | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/58 | 03:52 |
| webmink | OK, cool | 03:52 |
| fabbione | webmink: should we arrange a meeting here on IRC next week to start brainstorming? | 03:53 |
| fabbione | tmarble: ^^that's for you too | 03:53 |
| tmarble | so feel free to pile on my thread (after I press Send) | 03:53 |
| webmink | :-) | 03:53 |
| webmink | k | 03:53 |
| tmarble | webmink: I realize you are extraordinarily busy -- thanks for joining us for this announcement | 03:54 |
| webmink | No worries | 03:54 |
| webmink | I am just sipping coffee & reading Linus' comments on GPL v3 :-) | 03:54 |
| fabbione | ehhe | 03:54 |
| === tmarble looking forward to the blog entry :-) | ||
| webmink | It's really strange being more positive about it than the kernel team :-) | 03:55 |
| tmarble | it's amazing how the term *freedom* has become overloaded | 03:56 |
| fabbione | it's amazing that people working on the same stuff can't agree on what they want | 03:56 |
| webmink | Well, congrats on the T2000 fix, very impressive :-) | 03:57 |
| fabbione | webmink: we didn't really fix nothing ourself.. | 03:58 |
| webmink | I look forward to seeing it in Dapper | 03:58 |
| fabbione | we believed it was an IRQ routing issue | 03:58 |
| webmink | Yeah, yeah, humility :-) | 03:58 |
| fabbione | instead it is a mpt/sas bug | 03:58 |
| fabbione | no i am serious this time | 03:58 |
| fabbione | the one in .15 is buggy and needs an update | 03:58 |
| fabbione | the in .17 works | 03:58 |
| fabbione | major issue is that the fix is about 300KB of diff | 03:58 |
| tmarble | dapper = 2.6.15, edgy = 2.6.17 | 03:59 |
| fabbione | that makes the backport really scary | 03:59 |
| webmink | Hmmm | 03:59 |
| webmink | OK | 03:59 |
| fabbione | the fix will be to get that thing in dapper | 03:59 |
| fabbione | at least we know what's the problem | 03:59 |
| fabbione | at least..one of them | 03:59 |
| fabbione | the other one is that i would have loved to have seen this hw for testing at least a couple of weeks before getting bug reports from user | 04:00 |
| fabbione | or to know that it was coming | 04:00 |
| webmink | Yeah, that sucks | 04:00 |
| webmink | We had a staffing change over the financial year end | 04:00 |
| fabbione | we will need to work on this channel in SanFran | 04:00 |
| fabbione | and layout some better communication channels | 04:00 |
| tmarble | do you guys know if David has a T2000 RoHS (rev2)? | 04:00 |
| webmink | Yes. You know Barton George? | 04:01 |
| fabbione | yeah.. it happens.. we can do better | 04:01 |
| fabbione | tmarble: no, Rev 1 | 04:01 |
| webmink | He's on my staff and has the job of making all that work | 04:01 |
| fabbione | no, never heard of him | 04:01 |
| webmink | He'll be down atthe Summit too | 04:01 |
| fabbione | i am usually in contact with John J. and Greg O. | 04:01 |
| webmink | He talks to Mark mainly I think | 04:01 |
| fabbione | ok cool | 04:01 |
| fabbione | yeah probably | 04:01 |
| webmink | Let's get a huddle together of the folk who can fix things :-) | 04:02 |
| fabbione | btw Mark is sabdfl here on this IRC network | 04:02 |
| fabbione | yeps.. that's why i suggested a dinner | 04:02 |
| webmink | I'll try to come down too but I have a pretty full calendar that week | 04:02 |
| fabbione | things tends to work better with some wine on the table | 04:02 |
| webmink | :-) | 04:02 |
| tmarble | uno mezzo litro de vino rosso, per favore!!! | 04:03 |
| fabbione | webmink: we will be there in san fran also the week after for a company only meeting. That doesn't close the option for a dinner that week | 04:03 |
| webmink | and a coke for Tiny | 04:03 |
| fabbione | tmarble: eheheh | 04:03 |
| fabbione | webmink: but ideally we should all meet up at the beginning so we can collect input from everybody to slam in the "track"/docs | 04:03 |
| webmink | tmarble: You are upposed to say "Who's Tiny?" | 04:04 |
| webmink | so I can say "He's my newt" | 04:04 |
| fabbione | ehhe | 04:04 |
| tmarble | webmink: sorry -- composing the e-mail | 04:04 |
| tmarble | who's Tiny? | 04:04 |
| webmink | He's my newt. | 04:04 |
| fabbione | tmarble: don't bloat it too much :) just say that it works :) | 04:04 |
| webmink | Gotta get the timing better | 04:04 |
| fabbione | tmarble: we will open champagne when I get a niagara2 booting | 04:04 |
| webmink | Right, gotta run | 04:05 |
| fabbione | webmink: thanks for coming | 04:05 |
| webmink | Thanks for the headsup | 04:05 |
| fabbione | take care and i hope to see you soon | 04:05 |
| tmarble | fabbione: you must realize this is to help shift priorities internally -- a little marketing never hurts! | 04:05 |
| fabbione | tmarble: ahhh ok :) | 04:05 |
| tmarble | webmink: thanks | 04:05 |
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