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[03:33] <fabbione> hey tmarble 
[03:34] <tmarble> fabbione: ciao!
[03:34] <tmarble> so i'm wondering what kind of an interim solution we can provide for folks -- that is ideally simpler than what you and I had to go through
[03:35] <tmarble> and can you share the edgy schedule?  beta?  FCS/GA?
[03:35] <fabbione> at the moment, none.. once beta is out it will take a day or two to have working netbootable images and cd images
[03:35] <fabbione> the edgy schedule is on the wiki.. let me find it
[03:35] <fabbione> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[03:36] <fabbione> or better
[03:36] <fabbione> beta will work on almost all machine != Niagara
[03:36] <fabbione> after beta we will get everybody happy
[03:37] <tmarble> ok -- so the key is we will make the final freeze dates (whew!)
[03:37] <tmarble> I understand Dave's desire to pinpoint the e1000 driver, but IMHO we really should advocate OPB upgrade in the release notes anyway
[03:40] <fabbione> we want both
[03:40] <fabbione> if we can get the e1000 fix the better
[03:40] <fabbione> otherwise upgrade the OBP
[03:41] <tmarble> life is completely crazy, but I really, really hope to document as much of this as possible
[03:41] <tmarble> esp. the OBP upgrade
[03:41] <tmarble> because we want people to have a good experience
[03:41] <tmarble> one of the frustrations now is that we have a very popular T2000 try and buy program, but your company and mine have yet to work out a support plan for T&B customers
[03:42] <tmarble> this is a shame for both of us
[03:42] <tmarble> you and I documenting what we know (on the wiki) will go a long way to making these prospects happier
[03:43] <fabbione> yes i fully agree
[03:43] <fabbione> that's something we need to discuss with other sun guys when we will hit San Fran in November
[03:43] <tmarble> i'm so tempted to try to get to the bay area for that... it's very political on my side... but i think it would be good...
[03:45] <fabbione> i think you should
[03:45] <fabbione> do you know Simon Phibbs?
[03:46] <tmarble> oh yes
[03:46] <tmarble> I just signed his GPG key :-)
[03:46] <tmarble> and uploaded it'
[03:46] <tmarble> Phipps
[03:46] <tmarble> aka webmink
[03:46] <fabbione> yeah.. he is also interested in coming there
[03:46] <fabbione> you should probably talk to him
[03:47] <fabbione> does he irc?
[03:47] <tmarble> i'm going to compose a big internal mail on our solving this bug, with Simon and others in CC:  -- i'll make a plug for it
[03:47] <tmarble> yes -- webmink
[03:48] <fabbione> he is not online right now
[03:48] <fabbione> * webmink :No such nick/channel
[03:49] <tmarble> i know -- i'm pinging him out of band
[03:49] <fabbione> ok
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[03:50] <tmarble> webmink: welcome and thanks for joining us
[03:50] <fabbione> hey webmink 
[03:50] <webmink> Howdy
[03:50] <fabbione> <- Fabio M. Di Nitto
[03:50] <fabbione> welcome
[03:50] <tmarble> fabionne and i have some great news to share (i'm composing a sun internal e-mail now)
[03:51] <fabbione> tmarble: we do?
[03:51] <tmarble> we have succeeded to get Ubuntu Edgy to run on T2000 rev2 RoHS Ontario+ !!!
[03:51] <fabbione> oh yeah.. well we need to get dapper to run there too
[03:51] <fabbione> but at least we know what to look at
[03:51] <tmarble> thanks to Matt Keep getting me the box (and lots of other support) we have gotten past some of the nastiest   problems
[03:52] <tmarble> I'm going make a plug in my annoucement, and to you know, that we both try to attend the Ubuntu dev summit in the Bay Area early nov
[03:52] <webmink> Excellent
[03:52] <webmink> OK
[03:52] <webmink> I have a bunch of OpenSolaris folk attending too
[03:52] <fabbione> webmink: i did reply to Mark email to start laying down sparc stuff for edgy+1
[03:52] <tmarble> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/58
[03:52] <webmink> OK, cool
[03:53] <fabbione> webmink: should we arrange a meeting here on IRC next week to start brainstorming?
[03:53] <fabbione> tmarble: ^^that's for you too
[03:53] <tmarble> so feel free to pile on my thread (after I press Send)
[03:53] <webmink> :-)
[03:53] <webmink> k
[03:54] <tmarble> webmink: I realize you are extraordinarily busy -- thanks for joining us for this announcement
[03:54] <webmink> No worries
[03:54] <webmink> I am just sipping coffee & reading Linus' comments on GPL v3 :-)
[03:54] <fabbione> ehhe
=== tmarble looking forward to the blog entry :-)
[03:55] <webmink> It's really strange being more positive about it than the kernel team :-)
[03:56] <tmarble> it's amazing how the term *freedom* has become overloaded
[03:56] <fabbione> it's amazing that people working on the same stuff can't agree on what they want
[03:57] <webmink> Well, congrats on the T2000 fix, very impressive :-)
[03:58] <fabbione> webmink: we didn't really fix nothing ourself..
[03:58] <webmink> I look forward to seeing it in Dapper
[03:58] <fabbione> we believed it was an IRQ routing issue
[03:58] <webmink> Yeah, yeah, humility :-)
[03:58] <fabbione> instead it is a mpt/sas bug
[03:58] <fabbione> no i am serious this time
[03:58] <fabbione> the one in .15 is buggy and needs an update
[03:58] <fabbione> the in .17 works
[03:58] <fabbione> major issue is that the fix is about 300KB of diff
[03:59] <tmarble> dapper = 2.6.15, edgy = 2.6.17
[03:59] <fabbione> that makes the backport really scary
[03:59] <webmink> Hmmm
[03:59] <webmink> OK
[03:59] <fabbione> the fix will be to get that thing in dapper
[03:59] <fabbione> at least we know what's the problem
[03:59] <fabbione> at least..one of them
[04:00] <fabbione> the other one is that i would have loved to have seen this hw for testing at least a couple of weeks before getting bug reports from user
[04:00] <fabbione> or to know that it was coming
[04:00] <webmink> Yeah, that sucks
[04:00] <webmink> We had a staffing change over the financial year end
[04:00] <fabbione> we will need to work on this channel in SanFran
[04:00] <fabbione> and layout some better communication channels 
[04:00] <tmarble> do you guys know if David has a T2000 RoHS (rev2)?
[04:01] <webmink> Yes.  You know Barton George?
[04:01] <fabbione> yeah.. it happens.. we can do better
[04:01] <fabbione> tmarble: no, Rev 1
[04:01] <webmink> He's on my staff and has the job of making all that work
[04:01] <fabbione> no, never heard of him
[04:01] <webmink> He'll be down atthe Summit too
[04:01] <fabbione> i am usually in contact with John J. and Greg O.
[04:01] <webmink> He talks to Mark mainly I think
[04:01] <fabbione> ok cool
[04:01] <fabbione> yeah probably
[04:02] <webmink> Let's get a huddle together of the folk who can fix things :-)
[04:02] <fabbione> btw Mark is sabdfl here on this IRC network
[04:02] <fabbione> yeps.. that's why i suggested a dinner
[04:02] <webmink> I'll try to come down too but I have a pretty full calendar that week
[04:02] <fabbione> things tends to work better with some wine on the table
[04:02] <webmink> :-)
[04:03] <tmarble> uno mezzo litro de vino rosso, per favore!!!
[04:03] <fabbione> webmink: we will be there in san fran also the week after for a company only meeting. That doesn't close the option for  a dinner that week
[04:03] <webmink> and a coke for Tiny
[04:03] <fabbione> tmarble: eheheh
[04:03] <fabbione> webmink: but ideally we should all meet up at the beginning so we can collect input from everybody to slam in the "track"/docs
[04:04] <webmink> tmarble: You are upposed to say "Who's Tiny?"
[04:04] <webmink> so I can say "He's my newt"
[04:04] <fabbione> ehhe
[04:04] <tmarble> webmink: sorry -- composing the e-mail
[04:04] <tmarble> who's Tiny?
[04:04] <webmink> He's my newt.
[04:04] <fabbione> tmarble: don't bloat it too much :) just say that it works :)
[04:04] <webmink> Gotta get the timing better
[04:04] <fabbione> tmarble: we will open champagne when I get a niagara2 booting
[04:05] <webmink> Right, gotta run
[04:05] <fabbione> webmink: thanks for coming
[04:05] <webmink> Thanks for the headsup
[04:05] <fabbione> take care and i hope to see you soon
[04:05] <tmarble> fabbione: you must realize this is to help shift priorities internally -- a little marketing never hurts!
[04:05] <fabbione> tmarble: ahhh ok :)
[04:05] <tmarble> webmink: thanks
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