[12:16] I tried a dist-upgrade and I had a problem and got stuck completely [12:16] but that was a week ago with build 22-sep [12:16] hmm [12:16] yeah [12:16] well, I am about to upgrade just now [12:17] (last time was 1 week ago) [12:17] oops, will have to close X...else, memory will complain [12:18] during the upgrade process, I was asked to decide about the configuration of file `/etc/login.defs'. I chose 'default' rather than 'install the package maintainer's version' and after that, my sudo password wasn't recognised anymore :( === pips1 marvels at the bugs with 'critical' and 'high' in the bug tracker [12:26] . [12:27] whats up with Firefox still displaying 6.06? has a fix been released yet? [12:29] nixternal: that is part of ubuntu-doc [12:29] whoever did the current background, good job as well...i like it [12:30] Burgundavia: ubuntu-doc was updated yesterday with the fix [12:30] ah, then it will be in the new build [12:31] well, apt-get upgrade should grab them, i would think [12:31] i forgot to look at my Ubuntu setup before I jsut wiped it ;) [12:32] nixternal, we'll fix it after beta ... its wasnt in my focus [12:32] (but i'm aware of it and we discussed it in the edubuntu meeting today) [12:32] cool === nixternal looks over the meeting backlog [12:32] actually..i will do that after class ;) [12:33] would be cool to have a complete new page ... but worst case i'll just quickly update the verson there [12:33] ogra: what is the 'primary' network interface for a LTSP setup? is the 'primary interface' intended as the internet interface or the thin clients interface? [12:34] night all ... [12:34] good night RichEd [12:34] :) [12:35] ogra: ^^^^ ? === pips1 can't wait to continue the installation :-) [12:36] pips1, there is no "primary" ... [12:36] you get a list from netcfg if it detects more than one [12:37] well, upon installation, I get asked to choose one as a "primary network interface" [12:37] eth0 bla [12:37] eth1 blabla [12:38] right [12:38] the one you chooes is used for outbound connections (internet) [12:38] the second will be used automaticaly for ltsp [12:39] I got an onboard gigabit nic, which i want to choose for the thin clients network, naturally, and I got an oldish 10/100 pci-nic which I want to use for the internet connection [12:39] ah, ok, thanks [12:39] the netcfg screen should show you the names ... [12:39] I does [12:39] (the blabla you see) [12:39] *it [12:39] right [12:40] the ltsp chooser doesnt, thats the bug i mentioned in the meeting ... [12:40] I noticed [12:40] if you onyl have two NICs you wont see the selector at all thugh [12:40] :) [12:41] well, I thought I only had two? but I am shown the selector?! (/me checks the mainboard manual to see if there is a second nic on the board already) [12:42] you are at the ltsp selector already ? [12:42] thats shown after "building ltsp chroot" [12:43] oh? [12:44] I got there pretty quickly after choosing the country and after it checked the cd dirs... [12:44] i'm talking about the second selector that doesnt show the names of the network cards, only ethX [12:44] right [12:44] that belongs to ltsp [12:44] no, I'm at the first selector [12:44] and is shown after the ltsp part [12:44] right [12:44] thats netcfg [12:45] so what does that do? [12:45] ltsp will just picjk the other if you have only two and not show the selector [12:45] ah [12:45] or it will show a warning that you have to configure ltsp manually if you only have one NIC at all [12:45] so netcfg always asks if there is more than one... [12:45] right [12:46] and ltsp always if there is >2 or =1 [12:46] or if your NIC has the ltsp IP range (192.168.0.X) [12:47] or was it 10.X [12:47] i cant think anymore [12:47] makes sense to me (since regular ubuntu users aren't likely to have several nics, they wont be hassled by this question) [12:47] right [12:47] ogra: take care of yourself [12:47] I mean it [12:48] well, i had a whisky or two already :) i'll go to bed soon and just notify toillef that i need new isos in the morning ... [12:48] it's all good and well to to provide people with floss software, but look after your health, please :) [12:48] just cross your fingers that my bandwith is better by then [12:48] fingers crossed [12:49] dont worry about m yhealth, its fine ;) [12:49] i'm just tired ... [12:49] well well, ok [12:49] these release days are mostly filled with waiting for your isos [12:49] right [12:49] so i'm pretty tired once i have them and then start testing ... [12:50] it's a shame that the internet connection can't really be "timed" reliably... [12:51] and watching progress bars is strangely addictive :) but completely mind-numbing [12:52] progress bar addiction, heh [12:55] heh [01:05] ogra: build ltsp chroot fails on amd64 [01:06] right [01:06] at 50% [01:06] on cosole 4 you will see it complaining about mknbi [01:07] (alt-f4) [01:07] strange, can't get console 4, i'm stuck in the install process menu [01:07] or did it fail with a different error ? [01:08] oh [01:08] well, I *did* press enter when i got the "build ltsp chroot failed" message, and that took me to the install process menu [01:09] and it isn't frozen or anything [01:09] but pressing alt-f4 doesn't give me the console... [01:09] well, alt-f4 or ctrl-atl-f4 sould get you to the console [01:09] I tried both [01:10] really bizarre [01:10] yeah [01:11] I mean, the keyboard seems to be working normally, i.e. I can navigate up and down in the menu [01:11] hm === pips1 checks numlock etc === pips1 wishes he had one of his old ibm keyboards handy (it's in a box at another location) [01:13] hm, this is a usb keyboard, but it worked fine with dapper [01:17] ogra: I have now connected my apple keyboard and I can now access console 4 (so there seems to be a bug regarding my other usb keyboard) [01:18] however, the console is full of keyboard related messages, so I can see the original error message anymore... I must be able to find it in logs somewhere though, no? [01:18] *can't [01:19] yes, its in /var/log/syslog [01:19] but I don't have a shell available... [01:20] alt-f2 [01:20] blank screen [01:20] not a message that tels yu to hit enter ? [01:20] grmbl [01:20] should be there on one of the consoles [01:20] nope, no message [01:21] but after I hit enter, I did indeed get a prompt :) [01:21] ah, might be caused by the former keyboard prob [01:22] /var/log/syslog: no such file or directory [01:22] ah, sorry, hold on [01:23] I tried to use 'cat' rather than 'more' === pips1 sees his former keyboard regognised in the syslog [01:24] strange, anyway [01:26] what the h...?! [01:27] after quitting more, I don't see my keyboard input appear at the prompt [01:27] ?!? [01:34] is there anything more intelligent than 'more' i can use to find whether it failed at mknbi ? [01:34] there isn't 'less' or 'grep' available :( [01:48] ogra: the last messages in the syslog aren't about mknbi, but apt-install: ltsp-server .... in-target: I: Retrieving Release... in-target E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-6/Packages ... in-target: error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally ... Menu item 'ltsp-client-builder failed with error code 1 ... [01:48] hmmm [01:49] so maybe I have a buggered cd where the ltsp-server package is missing?! 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[07:41] LaserJock, nay [07:42] hey LaserJock, I was thinking the same thing :) [07:42] little late for you though [07:42] get to bed LaserJock [07:43] LaserJock: are you testing? [07:44] right I have to go wash up and make breakfast and lunch [07:44] I'll see you guys later on [07:44] cu [07:44] cya cbx33 [07:44] pips1: no, I don't test :/ === pips1 crosses his fingers that the latest build will install [07:45] but you use dapper in daily life? [07:47] I have 2 dapper machines and 1 edgy [07:47] although I mostly work from an iMac and OS X (work) [07:48] ic [07:52] for me, it's about 70% dapper / 30% winXP (for photoshop, msie web testing) time-wise. I haven't got around to install wine and/or wmware on my dapper installation yet === rjian18 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian18 is now known as rjian === TeePOG is back [08:09] ogra: amd64 from daily 28-sep build failed to build ltsp chroot, error message on console 4 is the same "invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-6/Packages" [08:09] good morning everyone [08:09] hi TeePOG [08:09] morning pips1, how goes? [08:11] personally, very well, thanks. edubuntu-cd-testing-wise: could be better :) [08:17] so i hear... i'd contribute, but i'm aware of where my strengths lie, and my coding-fu isn't strong yet ^.^ [08:33] i386 live cd works [08:35] but... [08:35] i hear a "But..." in that sentence [08:36] nope === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu [08:37] ah === TeePOG looks at his coffee... this stuff ain't working [08:47] I like the popularity indication in add/remove applications [08:49] well, since not many people have enabled the popularity contest, at the moment, all apps installed by default get five stars and almost all others get one star [08:49] hmm [08:49] that will be an issue [08:50] hopefully users will start to enable popcon [08:50] LaserJock: yeah [08:51] devs and maintainers might complain, but more importantly, general users will ask why the popularity ratings are so skewed [08:52] mhm [08:52] popcon kind of relys on having a level playing field to start with === pips1 notices *lots* of unfamiliar new apps in the education section [08:52] which is certianly not the case for Main vs Universe apps [08:53] hmm [08:53] yeah [08:54] I wonder how the "scale" of the popularity is determined... [08:55] all education apps that are installed in edubuntu have one single star, obviously, none of the edubuntu users have enabled popcon [08:56] well, the number of edubuntu users probably isn't that much compared to Ubuntu [08:56] yep === pips1 now wonders about the apps that have two stars [08:57] does popcon work in dapper? [08:57] sure [08:57] it's just not turned on by default [08:57] apt-get install popcon? [08:57] or how do i enable? [08:58] it should already be installed [08:58] I think you need to dpkg-reconfigure it [08:59] it's not installed... brbr [08:59] brb* [08:59] oh [08:59] called popularity-contest [08:59] not popcon [08:59] right [08:59] mornin' [09:00] TeePOG: sudo dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest [09:00] hi RichEd [09:00] done LaserJock, thanks [09:00] e.g. thunderbird, java, adobe reader, xine, vlc, various kde apps, things like emacs, terminal in super user mode, ... hmm [09:01] ^^^^ they all have a two star rating [09:01] when we start getting decent popcon data we'd like to start prioritizing work with it [09:01] popularity contest is pretty skewed at the moment [09:01] in MOTU [09:02] but hang on, will apt then get the popularity rating from the repos as well? [09:02] TeePOG: what do you mean? [09:02] at the moment, it seems to pan out like this more or less: 5 stars : default ubuntu apps, 2 stars: default kubuntu apps, plus apps that are popular with popcon-savvy users (i.e. the developers and geeks) [09:03] will an apt frontend like Synaptic also display popularity ratings? or is it just on the Web? [09:04] TeePOG: It is in the "add/remove applications" in the applications menu [09:04] the stars are displayed next to the applications listed in there... [09:04] if we get a way of having decent data then it'll probably be in synaptic and adept too I would think [09:05] see, this is why i have coming in halfway through a conversation [09:05] *hate [09:05] hehe [09:05] anyway, mine doesn't show that... should I reboot first? [09:05] show what? [09:05] the stars? [09:06] are you on edgy? [09:06] yah [09:06] no, dapper... that's what i was asking earlier [09:06] well, the stars are in edgy [09:06] aww ok, nm then... [09:06] LaserJock: yes, the stars are in the edgy version only [09:06] i'm not upgrading, this is a production machine [09:07] but i'm glad to help with popcon data [09:07] :) [09:08] anyway, i'm very impressed with Autopackage recently... have you thought of including support for it? [09:08] not that it's hard to install or anything... it'll just simplify some installations [09:09] now that XaraXtreme is GPL, it's nice for our designers to have on the LTSP [09:09] since there's no free Doze or OS X version === TeePOG thinks flood protection will kick in and kickban him soon [09:10] I don't think any of the developers like autopackage so I'm thinking it probably won't be supported any time soon [09:10] coffee makes one more talkative and all that [09:11] yah, it was only a thought... === pips1 spots a new preferences item 'PalmOS Devices' === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu [09:12] amd64 live cd works === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu [09:14] RichEd: so are you talking with the webmasters about the Education space? [09:14] or does there need to be more of a plan [09:15] LaserJock: there is a plan, and we are doveltailing ... here's the bigger picture: [09:15] Matt Nuzum is the new webmaster for Canonical - All Ubuntu Web Resources : he is reviewing the entire fleet [09:16] He has jurisdiction over us (education), but is happy for our independence, and we have as our internally appointed leader: drumroll .... Philipp Schroder [09:16] RichEd: Have time for a quick pm? === pips1 parades back and forth in the background [09:17] ;-) === HedgeMage chuckles [09:17] HedgeMage: open up pm and fire away ... I'll get there after this thread [09:17] ok so pips1 is going to hand Education (or Edubuntu?) website stuff [09:18] *handle [09:18] Yep. Let me get the thread done ... continues: [09:18] Matt has been looking at the whole issue of "specialist or niche areas" and is proposing solution spaces ... [09:18] We are not 100% happy with the term, but the concept is good as follows: [09:19] www.ubuntu.com/education -> redirects to: www.ubuntu.com/solutions/education [09:19] www.ubuntu.com/medical -> redirects to: www.ubuntu.com/solutions/medical [09:19] www.ubuntu.com/icafe -> redirects to: www.ubuntu.com/solutions/icafe [09:19] etc. [09:20] how many solition spaces are we talking about? [09:20] So this will be "our official home page on ubuntu" = ubuntu for education. [09:21] We, the internal community, will look after www.edubuntu.org and the relevent pages on wiki.edubuntu.org (which may merge more with wiki.ubuntu.org - under detabte abiut dual front end for same data) [09:21] debate about [09:21] same goes for help etc. [09:21] What you and I were taling about last night is one step removed: [09:22] ( ( ( core = official ubuntu ) internal community = edubuntu ) -> user community space <-) [09:23] we are still debatind whether it should have an official edubuntu or ubuntu name or have some pre or suffix to indicate that it is not company official [09:23] which is not just to "protect the official message" but also to allow us leeway & self control [09:23] right [09:24] So if someone approaches ubuntu from the outside, in a formal way, they will land on: [09:24] www.ubuntu.com [09:24] Find an easy & quick link to : [09:24] www.ubuntu.com/education [09:24] and on there find an easy and quick link to: [09:24] *our new community space* [09:25] RichEd: you mean, if someone comes through the official ubuntu "front door", i.e. enters www.ubuntu.com, rather than using google and landing a some subsection ... [09:25] right [09:26] We however, will as a comunity, pump *our new community space* as the preferred direct landing zone from our point of view [09:27] s/pump/pimp ? ;-) [09:27] are you seeing this "community space" as an Edubuntu thing or Education thing? product vs. solution [09:28] good question [09:28] Ubuntu and Education : and the front page needs to demystify and clarify and explain how the whole and parts fit together. [09:30] It also needs to be open enough and broad enough that we can have other people who are interested in open source and education, but not yet using our software to feel the need to join some of our maikling lists, or pop back for a regulr revisit. [09:30] right [09:31] So, k12ltsp people need to feel welcome ... their input into what is good for a high school menu option, or which FOSS accounting package is good and easy to maintain is still relevant. [09:31] yeah [09:32] Im my opinoin, there are lots of: [09:32] Open Source & Education web sites ... but often formal and geared to adults and suits an decision makers [09:33] + Teaching Content Web Sites web sites ... but not geared around Open Source [09:33] + Kids Community Web Sites ... but not geared around Open Source [09:33] If we can link the above into one space, with user/stakeholder category areas, we'll be more of a one stop site. [09:34] And get the most frequent revisits. [09:34] yes [09:34] I'd really love to see that for Science [09:34] it's sorely lacking [09:35] "so what's this open source stuff all about and what does it mean to me" [09:35] "oh so I guess it does apply to me, are there any of my kind of people here" [09:35] I've thought about creating a similar "space" for open source scientific development [09:35] "oh yes there they are and gee let me add my opinion to that comment" [09:35] etc. [09:36] that would combine forums, ml, etc. with a sourceforge type thing to hold development [09:36] LaserJock: if we get this right ... we'll be a model you can follow ;) [09:37] yeah, what I find right now for OSS science [09:37] I am very glad to have pips1 assisting ... he is bouncing well between practical on the ground requirements and high level conceptual & theoretical focus ...f [09:37] is somebody creates a list of OSS software [09:37] It is a good fit, and I think our angle is different to what is out there. [09:37] but not much of anything gets done toward actively pushing a community together [09:37] around a common goal [09:38] excellent, good work pips1 [09:38] :-) [09:38] I made this comment to pips1 the other day : Amazon don't write books. Amazon don't review books. But look at the buzz they have created by their community. [09:39] Give a man a passion and a soap box ... and he will shout an opinion. [09:39] Provided he feels comfortable in front of the audience. [09:39] mhm and feels like he's actually heard [09:40] Our users are not comfortable in front of Hard Core Linux People. [09:40] at some level [09:40] Even I am not, once or twice a week ! [09:40] awww, we don't bite ;-) [09:40] I know what you're talking about [09:40] coming in as a chemist [09:40] LaserJock: You're Mild Core Linux People [09:40] ;) [09:40] exactly [09:41] LaserJock: I beg to differ, I bite (but only when called for and only among consenting adults ;) [09:41] too much information [09:41] LOL === RichEd wonders if the army does that to you ;) [09:41] reminds me of a blog post of a certain JaneW [09:41] ?? === HedgeMage grins at RichEd [09:42] RichEd: a certain computer game she mentioned :) [09:42] bliss [09:42] RichEd: I found the entry extremely sweet, TBH [09:42] I believe [09:42] oh ... me remembers now ... [09:42] anyway [09:42] back to scare Linux geeks [09:43] Right enuff thoery & pontification (and biting) off to serious work ! [09:43] the thing that always is a problem for me is the inbetween [09:43] we have ubuntuforums.org [09:43] and we have ubuntu-devel [09:44] but that inbetween space, interface between developer and user [09:44] it can be rough [09:44] yep ... and ubuntuforums is still not far enough out there into the target space ... [09:44] We have "I use Ubuntu and I work to Educate" [09:44] so I wonder how this new community space is going to fair [09:45] I want "I work to Educate and I use Ubuntu" [09:45] yep [09:45] Subtle shift, but to me that's the difference between the 20:80 split [09:46] We're doing well in the 20 space, but cbx33 and others like him are quite unique ... we need to jump into the cookie cutter 80 space === HedgeMage nods [09:46] The unifiorm masses. === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:47] but do you have a plan for the interface? is that something you want to address, or do you want to keep it somewhat segregated? [09:47] And the *good* news is that the time is NOW ... all forces in the universe conspire to make this the ideal moment. [09:47] speak of the devil ;-) [09:47] LaserJock: cbx33 like that ;) === RichEd decides to pique the interest of mr savage [09:47] hey, cbx33 [09:48] what did I do now [09:48] scp is totally broken [09:48] LaserJock: why aren't you in bed yet [09:48] LaserJock: I know [09:48] and the sound were thrown out [09:48] well...not totally [09:48] pessulus integration is broken for now [09:48] If I was a japanese general, I would be very happy with the portent and omens ... 2007 is the year of Open Source Mainstream. We need to get ready to give it a good smack. [09:48] pips1, can you get me the syslog of that failed amd64 install somehow ? thats very odd since there are no other CD builds planned i think [09:48] sabdfl decided to revert the edgy sounds ;-) [09:49] LaserJock: really? [09:49] oh well [09:49] cbx33: sorry had to give you a good morning wake up scare [09:49] i dont care much abut ppc, but having no amd64 CD is quite fatal === RichEd picks pete's jaw up off the floor [09:49] LaserJock: are you kidding or serious [09:49] ogra: I only have a screenshot of the syslog (i.e. 1 screen worth of the last error msgs) [09:49] awwww schucksss ... we're messing with your head dude ... [09:49] hmm [09:49] it's too early here for me to know what's going on [09:49] good i got worried [09:50] as an anonymous onctributor bought me a new soundcard last night [09:50] cbx33: dude totally kidding, another 16 hr day is making me a little weird === RichEd resets the reality button [09:50] phew [09:50] RichEd: Everyone's been saying "this is the year" since about 1996. I tend to think it'll keep eeking in small spurts like it always has... hopefully edging toward less-infrequent medium-sized spurts over time. [09:50] I couldn't believe it.....somone funded my new soundcard......didn;'t tell me which one...then I found out it was a 189 M-Audio Delta 1010 [09:51] I was so gobsmacked I almost fainted [09:51] LaserJock: expand on this ... not quite sure exactly waht you mean: but do you have a plan for the interface? is that something you want to address, or do you want to keep it somewhat segregated? [09:51] anyway, why am I the devil? [09:51] cbx33: yay! congrats. [09:52] HedgeMage: yeh....I'm still shocked [09:52] but very very grateful [09:52] cbx33: you deserve it, babe. You rock. [09:52] RichEd: I can easily imagine this community space becoming like the forums (users getting mad at devs, devs irritated with stupid posts) [09:52] thanks HedgeMage [09:52] lisa has been working on the front cover [09:52] RichEd: I think LaserJock was talking about improving the direct interaction of developers and end users (i.e. the current "gap" between ubuntuforums and ubuntu-devel ml) [09:52] wnt me to send a mockup to you later? [09:53] so that your educators get to grumble or whatever, but it doesn't reach a place where anything can be done [09:53] for instance, you mention maybe somebody has a good suggestion for dynamic menus, how am I going to get that info [09:53] cbx33: that would be very awesome [09:53] HedgeMage: when is our final deadline? [09:54] pygi mentioned he is going WOI for a while soon? [09:54] cbx33: If things continue as-is, we probably won't see a print version until sometime mid-October [09:54] ok [09:55] ogra: would that amd64 error msg screenshot be of any use? should I send it to you? [09:55] (That's being a little optimistic considering pygi's going away and my real-life schedule chaos, but I don't think it's unrealistic... I hope.) [09:55] i had a minor name confusion a couple days ago... got an email about Sabayon Linux, and immediately thought about Sabayon the ltsp menu manager [09:55] mhm [09:56] I went to the sabayon linux IRC channel at least twice [09:56] pips1, no [09:56] i'll do a test install myself === pips1 has plugged in his digicam for the first time, and is completely impressed by the automatic import photos dialog ... [09:57] yup it's pretty cool === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-146-143-135.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:58] ogra: ppc is currently totally oversized... right? [10:00] ogra: vuntz seemed happy with my update to pessulus, conceptually [10:00] -rw-rw-r-- 1 philipp philipp 783163392 2006-09-28 01:57 edgy-live-powerpc.iso [10:00] hello ... adsl reset :( [10:01] where did I drop out ? [10:01] welcome back :) [10:01] RichEd: you didn't miss anything here [10:01] HedgeMage: I'll repeat my speech to you in msg window :) [10:01] HedgeMage: the cover is kinda in the vein of the new gnome splash screen [10:01] I'll get a copy to you tonight [10:01]