[12:38] <ARogue> Hi, is anyone aware that kdar cannot be installed in edgy - and if so do you know a fix?
[12:39] <jdong> ooh, really?
[12:39] <Riddell> hi ARogue 
[12:39] <jdong> yeah, you're right
[12:40] <ARogue> yup, per <rideout> ARogue: it looks like kdar was even, built with libdar64-4, but the debian/control file wasn't ever updated
[12:40] <jdong> I assume kdar needs to be rebuilt
[12:41] <ARogue> i just started using kubuntu a few days ago (gentoo on other boxes) so I don't yet know who to notify or how to do it myself
[12:41] <Riddell> ARogue: you've come to the right place
[12:41] <Riddell> ARogue: would you be able to recompile and test it?
[12:42] <Riddell> my machines are down just now for testing beta candidates
[12:42] <jdong> Riddell: I'll send it through a pbuilder and see what comes out
[12:42] <ARogue> don't know -- i compile all the time in gentoo, but just came to kubunto and don't know how to do things yet
[12:43] <jdong> ARogue: apt-get source -b kdar
[12:43] <jdong> that's the simplest way
[12:43] <ARogue> If you talk me through it I probably can
[12:44] <ARogue> rats -- just realized I'm talking from my gentoo box -- I talk notes and switch and give it a go -- so, is the apt-get it or do i then utter more magic to build?
[12:45] <ARogue> and then is it dpkg -i to install?
[12:45] <Riddell> like jdong said
[12:45] <Riddell> yes, it is
[12:45] <jdong> correct
[12:45] <jdong> ARogue: first, sudo apt-get build-dep kdar
[12:46] <jdong> ARogue: that fetches the packages you need to build kdar
[12:46] <jdong> gentoo doesn't have the concept of "build dependencies", because all the build headers are installed by default anyway
[12:50] <ARogue> jdong & riddell - thanks, it is compiling now on the other box -- i'll report back shortly
[12:50] <Riddell> jdong: but it must still need packages installed before others can be built
[12:51] <jdong> Riddell: right, it does, but there's no concept of separating binaries and development headers
[12:52] <ARogue> well, the the config die when it did not finf libdar -- I have dar installed so I guess its looking for headers
[12:53] <Riddell> jdong: I see
[12:53] <jdong> ARogue: did you do sudo apt-get build-dep kdar?
[12:53] <Riddell> ARogue: does it not build-dep on libdar-dev ?
[12:54] <jdong> Riddell/ ARogue: reproduced build failure here too
[12:55] <ARogue> i did the apt-get build-dep kdar which seemed happy
[12:55] <jdong> yeah, I see that
[12:55] <jdong> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.1.0), cdbs, kdelibs4-dev, libxi-dev, libdar-dev
[12:56] <jdong> does build-dep on libdar-dev
[12:56] <ARogue> synaptic says I have libdar-dev installed
[12:57] <rideout> jdong: can kdar be built with libdar 2.3.0-5 ?
[12:57] <jdong> rideout: I'm not sure
[12:59] <rideout> dapper kdar was built with 2.2.4-2ubuntu2
[01:00] <ARogue> well, I must break for dinner -- wife and kids calling.  I'll check back later and try anything you want me to.  At very least you folks are now aware of the problem even if there is now quick solution
[01:24] <ARogue> Riddell & jdong: quick break from dinner to report the build failed looking for libdar, apt-get install libdar reports no such package, but libdar64-4 exists and is installed (was pulled in by dar itself).  As a shot in the dark, the build has an outdated dependency in it?
[01:25] <jdong> ARogue: I'm guessing the version of kdar we have was never meant to build against libdar 2.3.x
[01:25] <jdong> we used to build it against 2.2.x
[01:28] <ARogue> okay, by having this conversation have I effectively reported the problem to the right people?  If not, what is the correct procedure to open a bug report in edgy  -- sorry but as a new kubuntu user I just don't have the lay of the land ;)
[01:29] <jdong> ARogue: go onto launchpad.net, ubuntu distro, source package kdar
[01:29] <jdong> ARogue: and file a bug report there
[01:29] <jdong> ARogue: IRC is not a replacement for a proper bug report... we will forget :)
[01:30] <ARogue> k, thanks -- will do after diner -- I figured as much but for all I know you or another denizen of the channel is the kdar god <G>
[01:31] <jdong> ARogue: even the package gods want you to file bug reports
[01:31] <ARogue> LOL
[01:31] <jdong> ARogue: i speak from experience.... :)
[01:31] <jdong> (I usually like to get away with drive-by bugreports via IRC, but they simply don't work)
[01:32] <Jucato> jdong is still traumatized with ktorrent? :P
[01:32] <jdong> Jucato: ktorrent is a DREAM now
[01:32] <jdong> Jucato: those patches really worked
[01:32] <Jucato> nice :)
[01:37] <jdong> ooh knetworkmanager 0.1 got tagged?
[01:38] <jdong> wasn't Tonio talking about knetworkmanager earlier today?
[01:40] <Jucato> I think he was talking about a different app
[01:41] <Jucato> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=16264 I think
[01:41] <Jucato> KNetStats
[01:41] <jdong> heh
[01:42] <Jucato> heh Riddell's wearing a kilt when the aKademy 2006 group pic was taken :)
[02:43] <ARogue> back from supper, I filed a bug report at launchpad.net for kdar -- thanks for your help folks.  I've always appreciated the gentoo community -- looks like the kubunto community is just as friendly and helpful
[03:40] <nixternal> oem-config going to be fixed for beta?  right now in the release notes I have artowrk (kicker, win-deco), guidance (dual battery)
[03:40] <nixternal> im stretching for info
[03:41] <nixternal> oh, and just so you know, current LiveCD is broken. you have to startx from cli
[03:55] <imbrandon> Riddell, ping
[04:32] <imbrandon> Riddell, or any qmake gos care to tell me why this is calling ccache http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25035/ ( when yall wake )
[04:32] <imbrandon> i dont see it in any of the qmake.confs
[04:50] <rideout> anything for a $cat mytharchive.pro | grep ccache ?
[04:51] <imbrandon> rideout, nope , was the first place i checked ( along with all the other .pro files )
[04:52] <imbrandon> its something with qmake i'm guessing
[05:04] <lnxkde>  someone using edgy kde compiz and aiglx on Ati?
[06:17] <nixternal> invoke-rc.d: initscript hplip, action "start" failed.
[06:17] <nixternal> dpkg: error processing hplip (--configure):
[06:17] <nixternal> anyone get that error after recent updates?
[06:20] <Hobbsee> checked for a bug?
[06:20] <nixternal> don't see one
[06:30] <Hobbsee> nixternal: try running sudo /etc/init.d/hplip start?
[06:30] <nixternal> same error
[06:31] <Hobbsee> what exactly does it say?
[06:31] <nixternal> well, still fails
[06:31] <nixternal> bug #62718
[06:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62718 in hplip "[Edgy]  Current Updates (2006-09-27) Break HPLIP" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62718
[06:35] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/yay.png
[06:35] <nixternal> how about that error?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> nixternal: reproducable.
[06:37] <Hobbsee> _Sime: *poke*
[06:37] <nixternal> Hobbsee: i have that for display, user mgmt, and disk & file systems
[06:37] <nixternal> i already filed a bug a couple of days ago on it
[06:38] <nixternal> when i run them from the cmd line, all of them say the same thing about guidance
[06:38] <Hobbsee> nixternal: when _Sime or tonio or Riddell is around, poke them.
[06:38] <nixternal> can i borrow your stick?
[06:38] <Hobbsee> what for?
[06:38] <nixternal> ;)
[06:38] <nixternal> to poke
[06:38] <nixternal> haha
[06:38] <nixternal> huggles
[06:51] <claydoh> http://www.eikehein.com/kde/heroes/
[06:52] <claydoh> lol I watched the show, didn't even notice the KDE desktop
[06:53] <imbrandon> lol me too
[06:53] <imbrandon> is that your site ?
[06:53] <claydoh> no I am not that talented :)
[06:53] <claydoh> or ambititous
[06:54] <imbrandon> heh just wondering i was gonna link to it in my blog
[06:54] <claydoh> I have http://claydoh.com
[06:54] <claydoh> not worth linking to
[06:54] <claydoh> mine that is
[06:54] <imbrandon> heh
[06:55] <claydoh> tho http://emacdosports is a little nicer, still not worth linking to 
[06:55] <claydoh> err http://emacdogports.com
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[08:51] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Beta/Kubuntu   <- This needs some content and some changes from Knot 3...feel free to add them..im going to bed, and will work more on this in 8 or so hours ;)
[08:52] <nixternal> and if you have time and patience, it would be great if these could get REVU'd -> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3142 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3148 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3168 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3147 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3164
[08:52] <nixternal> g'nite!
[09:34] <imbrandon> okies i'm off for a few hours, time for some sleep , rember , go fourth and pimp the KDE ( ala http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/09/28/pimping-kde-style/ ) , gnight folks
[11:02] <abattoir> Riddell: hi, w.r.t bug 62692, was this after you ran oem-config-prepare ?
[11:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62692 in oem-config "kubuntu oem-config doesn't start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62692
[11:44] <Riddell> abattoir: I didn't run that
[11:45] <Tonio__> hi all
[11:45] <Tonio__> Riddell: first knetworkmanager official tarball is just out, I'm packaging and preparing uvf exception requet
[11:49] <Riddell> Tonio__: great
[11:51] <Riddell> ** beta testers needed https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Current
[11:51] <abattoir> Riddell: after you finish installation, you are supposed to login as oem into a 'normal KDE session', then you configure it according to your needs then you run 'sudo oem-config-prepare'. This is what gets it into a 'shippable' state. The oem-installer comes up when a user first boots it, so it'd be your next reboot
[11:52] <Riddell> abattoir: I'll try that again then
[11:52] <Riddell> abattoir: what was all that about using xsetroot and stuff for then?
[11:52] <abattoir> Riddell: ok :)
[11:53] <abattoir> Riddell: that was for the 'next reboot'
[11:54] <abattoir> Riddell: when you login is oem, you set it up for the user. So technically, the next reboot is what a typical user would see(the bit where the KDE UI comes up)
[11:55] <Riddell> yep
[11:59] <abattoir> Riddell: btw, are you testing oem-config in the beta?
[12:02] <abattoir> Riddell: because there was a bug, i'm not sure if the fix made it into the beta
[12:03] <abattoir> Riddell: if you are testing it in the beta, its still not an issue, just make sure you add "sys.path.insert(0, '/usr/lib/oem-config')" to /usr/sbin/oem-config-dm
[12:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: shame on me but I don't have any writable cd to test.... sorry
[12:23] <abattoir> Riddell: i'll test the DVD, if it already isnt being tested by someone else
[12:24] <abattoir> DVD for i386, that is
[01:04] <Riddell> abattoir: I doubt that'll be the final DVD
[01:29] <danimo> moin!
[01:29] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[01:29] <Riddell> hi danimo 
[01:30] <danimo> Riddell: when I enable zeroconf, how exactly does amarok show daap shares?
[01:30] <danimo> Riddell: just by adding a daap device?
[01:30] <danimo> (without any specific hosts)
[01:31] <Riddell> no idea
[01:31] <danimo> Riddell: any idea who knows?
[01:31] <danimo> imbrandon? :)
[01:31] <Riddell> #amarok?  or their developers channel?
[01:36] <Tonio_> fancy testing the new knetworkmanager ?
[01:43] <Tonio_> danimo: concerning bug 56366, I think both you and Hobbsee have the issue
[01:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56366 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager is a misbehaving app according to kwallet" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56366
[01:43] <Tonio_> danimo: would be nice if you can test with this :
[01:44] <Tonio_> http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/dists/edgy/main/binary-i386/knetworkmanager_0.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[01:45] <Tonio_> danimo: I would like to indicate that the bug is close in the uvf exception request ;)
[01:56] <danimo> Tonio_: I can't try it today, sorry
[01:56] <danimo> Tonio_: exam tomorrow
[01:56] <Tonio_> danimo: hehe, okay :) I'll check with Hobbsee|Remote
[01:56] <danimo> Tonio_: but I disagree strongly about the "cannot backport to dapper" statement
[01:57] <Tonio_> danimo: that'll probably be possible with the stable release once approved
[01:57] <Tonio_> danimo: why don't they want to ?
[01:57] <danimo> Tonio_: hmmm?
[01:57] <claydoh> danimo: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Music_Sharing
[01:58] <danimo> claydoh: yeah, doesn't work for me
[01:58] <danimo> claydoh: having a mac in the same lan
[01:58] <claydoh> I did install firefly daap server on a box and amarok saw it, but you had to poinyt it to an address
[01:58] <danimo> yes, but that's not the point of zeroconf, you know? :)
[01:59] <claydoh> a little bit unclear on tjhe setup aas well
[02:00] <claydoh> plus you have to install the daap server as well
[02:00] <claydoh> or run itunes I guess
[02:01] <claydoh> zeroconf saw the share OK though
[02:02] <Tonio_> danimo: who said that will not be backported ?
[02:06] <danimo> Tonio_: you in the bugreport
[02:06] <danimo> Tonio_: because if you want people to stay on dapper (keyword: LTS), we need to give them a working knm
[02:06] <danimo> Tonio_: that is: WPA working without workarounds, kwallet working
[02:07] <Tonio_> danimo: yeah okay, I said this ;)
[02:07] <danimo> Tonio_: and I think that's a bad idea
[02:07] <danimo> Tonio_: we should at least provide a backport
[02:07] <Tonio_> danimo: Well in fact I was wrong, it looks like the backport requirement policy is lower than in the past, so we can think of a backport in fact
[02:07] <danimo> Tonio_: of a more recent version
[02:08] <Tonio_> danimo: okay let's do this, imbrandon can provide backports, I'll ping him once 0.1 gets in :)
[02:08] <Tonio_> imbrandon: talking about that, what is the status of proftpd backport ? I can't see it in the repos
[02:08] <Tonio_> danimo: in the past only backports for critical bug release went out, but that has apparently changed
[02:10] <danimo> that's good
[02:13] <Riddell> abattoir: you're right about oem-config working, and also that it installs and uses the gtk frontend
[02:14] <abattoir> Riddell: i think it fetches oem-config-gtk only if you have an internet connection
[02:14] <abattoir> not very sure though, since i dont know where to hunt for info
[02:14] <Riddell> yes, it's not on the CD.  but I've no idea why it would want to install it though
[02:14] <abattoir> Riddell: what do you mean by me being right about 'oem-config working' ?
[02:14] <Riddell> abattoir: my bug report from yesterday saying it didn't work, I just wasn't following the instructions :)
[02:15] <abattoir> aah ok :)
[02:15] <abattoir> Riddell: so is it still broken in beta(i.e it doesnt have the sys.path.insert line) ?
[02:16] <Riddell> abattoir: how would I know if that was broken?
[02:16] <abattoir> Riddell: well, if you didnt add that line, it wouldn't have worked
[02:16] <Riddell> it worked
[02:17] <Riddell> and I didn't add that line
[02:17] <abattoir> so the fix made it in then, thanks :)
[02:17] <abattoir> Riddell: and also, i've managed to get myself some hosting space, do you want me to shift the bzr branch on muse or is it ok if it still resides there?
[02:18] <Riddell> abattoir: it's not a problem where it is
[02:18] <Riddell> abattoir: although these days hosting on launchpad is probably best
[02:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: Bug 62774 (in case you wanna support !)
[02:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62774 in knetworkmanager "0.1~svn-r575138 -> 0.1 UVF Exception Request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62774
[02:18] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, i'll speak w/ Kamion about that
[02:19] <Riddell> abattoir: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/oem-config/+bug/62777
[02:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62777 in oem-config "kubuntu installs oem-config-gtk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[02:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: could you get an svn log since our last version of knetworkmanager?
[02:20] <abattoir> Riddell: i have some screenshots, i'll upload that and confirm it?
[02:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, I'll add this
[02:21] <Riddell> abattoir: sure
[02:21] <abattoir> Riddell: http://muse.19inch.net/~abattoir/shots/8.png might not be prove anything concrete but shows them being installed
[02:24] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: added, the problem is that they don't comment a lot on their changes :)
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't know if that'll be of any use
[02:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: it'll be the best there is
[02:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, I agree. it is added anyway :)
[02:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: great, thanks ;) I can't wait for beta to come out......; I have so many uploads to do......
[02:30] <Tonio_> kdelibs, kdebase, kdeaddons, kaffeine, kmplayer, knetworkmanager, kds, katapult, ktorrent...
[02:30] <Tonio_> who's next ?? I'm hot !
[02:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the konqueror changes, I had a few persons using my repo that repoted everything works like a charm, so I think we can upload them with no risk even after beta
[02:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee and Jucato also repoted everything was perfect
[02:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: what are the changes?
[02:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh, flash and adblock?
[02:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: also we should change the media:/ link on about:konq
[02:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes
[02:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the changes, that also include the quick view switcher in konq
[02:34] <Tonio_> and adblock thing is SO usefull... I have it here for 3 days and I can't leave without :)
[02:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm changing this on about:konq
[02:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: I fixed in kubuntu_73_nomediaioslave_mounthelper, should be okay now
[02:42] <claydoh> Tonio_: I also confirm no problems using your packages as well :)
[02:42] <Tonio_> claydoh: hehe great ;)
[02:43] <claydoh> tho I still favor firefox, but am fighting that :)
[02:43] <Tonio_> claydoh: good to ear
[02:43] <Tonio_> claydoh: fight on !
[02:44] <claydoh> I just need to figure out if konq 's address bar can act more like FF
[02:44] <Tonio_> the only thing that messes me up with konq is google maps
[02:44] <Tonio_> appart from that it's perfect ;)
[02:45] <Riddell> I have no problems with google maps
[02:45] <Tonio_> and so fast to launch compared to "firediplodocus"
[02:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: hu ?
[02:45] <Riddell> although google calendar doesn't work
[02:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me show you an example :
[02:45] <claydoh> if I type , say "claydoh <ctrl><enter> " ff assumes "http://claydoh.com"
[02:45] <claydoh> I like that
[02:45] <claydoh> and my wife swears by that
[02:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1600+Amphitheatre+Parkway,+Mountain+View,+CA+94043+
[02:46] <Tonio_> that link fails to me with konq and works with firefox
[02:46] <Tonio_> konqueror leaves me in ocean
[02:47] <Riddell> works fine for me in konq
[02:47] <abattoir> Tonio_: me too ;)
[02:47] <claydoh> same here
[02:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is your secret ?
[02:47] <Riddell> do you have safari brower agent on?
[02:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me check
[02:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I changed to safari 2.0 but that doesn't change......
[02:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: what I have here is a map and images are "nor representable with that zoom", and if I zoom out, I am in the middle of nowhere in atlantic ocean....
[02:50] <claydoh> my address works fine as well :)
[02:50] <Tonio_> abattoir: "me too" means it works or means you have the same problem than me ?
[02:51] <claydoh> works fine for me
[02:51] <claydoh> your link works fine for me
[02:51] <abattoir> Tonio_: sorry, should have been more explicit, i meant it works for me
[02:52] <Tonio_> hum.......
[02:52] <Tonio_> claydoh: you are using my packages and that works right ? so It's not my package issue ?
[02:52] <abattoir> Tonio_: i have firefox 1.5.4 as the Fake iD
[02:52] <Tonio_> abattoir: okay let's test
[02:52] <abattoir> Tonio_: i've also found that after changing your ID you might need to refresh twice for it to start working properly
[02:53] <claydoh> afaik but Ill check
[02:53] <Tonio_> no same here.......
[02:53] <Tonio_> that's a nonsense
[02:53] <Tonio_> it always bring me to the center of the map
[02:55] <Tonio_> hum that's weird....
[02:55] <Tonio_> let's test on a new profile.....
[02:57] <Tonio_> hum, that's due to my profile.... very strange......
[02:59] <Tonio_> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[02:59] <Tonio_> incredible
[02:59] <Riddell> hmm, no imbrandon 
[03:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact I changed my settings to use firefox for domain "gmail.com" that causes the issue.......
[03:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: weird since that's not the same domain, but that's it
[03:00] <Tonio_> when I remove this, it works
[03:00] <Tonio_> I don't understand how google works with user-agent, but that's strange......
[03:04] <claydoh> whats really cool about konq is I can have multipanes, one say with a website url, one with the site's files, and even another with a local dir used to tranfer files to the webserver
[03:04] <claydoh> doing so now actually :)
[03:05] <claydoh> now if I can embed Kate in there :)
[03:05] <claydoh> hmm does quanta do that?
[03:07] <Tonio_> okay in fact it works as long as you don't play with useragent
[03:08] <Tonio_> then you get normal interface without javascript
[03:08] <Tonio_> but as soon as you change this to "default" or any recent browser, it fails
[03:08] <Tonio_> at least here
[03:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: just saw a very nasty bug...
[03:09] <fabo> someone could confirm kvpnc sync -> 62790 , thks
[03:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: when you use 2 kde sessions, if you disconnect one, usplash launches and you are not prompted put the second session password bafore making a ctrl + alt + 7
[03:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that know issue ?
[03:10] <Tonio_> usplash should launch on kde logout afaik, but at kdm shutdown
[03:10] <Tonio_> s/should/shouldn't
[03:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't that something you changed since usplash on shutdown wasn't working ?
[03:12] <Riddell> I've no changed anything
[03:12] <Riddell> it's the same patch as in dapper, but that wasn't perfect at all
[03:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay because usplash now works everytime on shutdown, which is good
[03:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: don't know what changed, probably usplash code itself
[03:14] <Tonio_> can someone confirm the issue ?
[03:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: just retried, and same, ctrl + alt + F7 required when closing the session... it worked before since I'm using this very often
[03:15] <Tonio_> that major issue since 90% of the users will not find how to get the login dialog...
[04:03] <nixternal> Lure: thank you for the dual battery image!  you rock!
[04:03] <Lure> nixternal: that is the least I can do - the fact is that YOU rock! ;-)
[04:04] <nixternal> i have been busy this week..im going to try and work on that this morning
[04:04] <nixternal> try and get it done before the beta release
[04:11] <Hobbsee> gah.
[04:12] <Hobbsee> surely if (true) {cout whatever} should actually cout!
[04:12] <Lure> Hobbsee: depends how "true" is defined ;-)
[04:12] <Hobbsee> *grin*
[04:13] <Hobbsee> argh...the damned function isnt even being called, for some reason
[04:14] <Lure> Hobbsee: that could explain it ;-)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> heh, yeah
[04:16] <abattoir> Hobbsee: isn't it cout<<whatever or is that implied?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> abattoir: it's implied
[04:22] <Hobbsee> hi el
[04:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee hey :)
[04:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee can you confirm me this issue ? http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/19
[04:24] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ :)
[04:25] <Tonio_> simply launch a new kde session, and disconnect......
[04:25] <Hobbsee> ah ha!  it gets partway thru, then dies very quietly
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: disconnect?
[04:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: logout ;)
[04:32] <Tonio_> open a second kde session and logout from it, you'll see usplash loading, and before you hit ctrl + alt + f7, impossible to get back to the first one
[04:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee I'll report if you confirm :)
[04:32] <Tonio_> rebooting, I'm testing a kdm fix
[04:40] <Tonio_> re
[04:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee confirming ?
[04:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee the issue doesn't look related to usplash itself, but to the fact there is no more switch from vt8 to vt7 automatically
[04:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee usplash launching/stoping shouldn't impact this
[04:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee hehe
[04:55] <el> hi Hobbsee , hi Tonio_ , hi all
[04:55] <Tonio_> hello el
[04:56] <el> huhu
[05:37] <Riddell> nixternal: ping
[05:37] <Riddell> nixternal: what's the status of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Beta/Kubuntu ?
[05:37] <nixternal> working on it now
[05:39] <Riddell> nixternal: do you know if there's a good document with upgrade instructions?
[05:39] <nixternal> not for edgy, i really haven't seen one...i think people still use the dapper guide, just change out dapper with edgy
[05:39] <Hobbsee> that cpufreq bit of guidance - i dont see it.
[05:40] <jdong> "OpenOffice.org is newer ;) "
[05:40] <Hobbsee> that's what usually happens
[05:40] <jdong> I love it
[05:40] <nixternal> hehe
[05:40] <nixternal> i go through and add headings, and then go back and fill in the content
[05:40] <nixternal> i need headings, so feel free to hit me up ;)
[05:40] <nixternal> there hasn't been that much of a change in the past week really
[05:41] <jdong> strictly since knot-3,  that's an accurate list
[05:41] <nixternal> i love how the OOo website makes it so easy to find their release notes
[05:42] <jdong> lol
[05:42] <nixternal> it would be quicker to dl the source i think
[05:42] <jdong> at least it's better than trying to figure out what's changed since SUSE releases
[05:42] <jdong> the guys post like a 12MB changelog
[05:42] <Riddell> nixternal: where is the dapper guide?
[05:42] <jdong> with every single change in svn :)
[05:42] <nixternal> !update
[05:42] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[05:42] <nixternal> there
[05:42] <nixternal> i think that is it
[05:43] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
[05:43] <nixternal> there you go
[05:43] <nixternal> i totally forgot that joe did that
[05:45] <Riddell> nixternal: hmm, that's for ubuntu
[05:45] <Riddell> we need a kubuntu version
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: does adept even handle dist-upgrades?
[05:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sure
[05:46] <Riddell> "Full Update"
[05:46] <Hobbsee> even if it does, does it give you a decent error message apart from "something broke.  please fix it"
[05:46] <Hobbsee> ahhh, right
[05:58] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/6.10-beta-announce
[05:58] <Riddell> proofreaders needed
[06:00] <Tm_T> Riddell: seems ok to me
[06:00] <nixternal> If you have a Kubuntu 6.06 Beta CD p
[06:00] <nixternal> change that to 6.10
[06:00] <Riddell> done
[06:00] <abattoir> Riddell: isnt it Adept->Manage Repositories rather than File->Manage Repositories?
[06:00] <Tm_T> ah, true :)
[06:00] <Riddell> abattoir: done
[06:00] <nixternal> ya
[06:01] <nixternal> looks good Riddell!
[06:01] <nixternal> how much time until the release?
[06:01] <nixternal> say at least an hour ;)
[06:01] <Riddell> nixternal: I can give you an hour :)
[06:01] <nixternal> nah, no biggy..i just want to have some meat for the beta wiki page
[06:02] <nixternal> someone, i need a default snapshot of the current desktop...so i can show the new taskbar
[06:03] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:03] <nixternal> oh, and open up a window, so i can get a default view of an active window bar and an inactive window bar...for win-deco updates
[06:03] <Tm_T> nixternal: I'll do it, if my resolution is ok, 1400x1050
[06:03] <nixternal> ouch...i need 1024x768, following KDE styling guide
[06:03] <Tm_T> hmmh
[06:03] <nixternal> thanks though...
[06:03] <nixternal> my vmware edgy is broke for some reason
[06:04] <nixternal> can't log in..everytime i goto log in, it goes back to the kdm login window
[06:04] <Tonio_> hum great, we'll be able to upload toonight ;)
[06:04] <Tm_T> agh, have to go, sorry ->
[06:27] <nixternal> someone able to explain the "multiple batteries" in Guidance? 
[06:27] <nixternal> im still using a 90's laptop, and the 1 battery in it doesn't work ;)
[06:29] <Tonio_> http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/capture13.png
[06:29] <jdong> nixternal: what's there to explain, other than gpm supports  having multiple batteries?
[06:29] <Tonio_> can that be called a launchpad bug ?
[06:30] <nixternal> hehe, alrighty...just wanted to know if there was more to it
[06:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: could be launchpad or us
[06:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: in any case, launchpad should say translation is 84% complete and there is nothing untranslated...
[06:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: how could it be us ?
[06:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: probably launchpad then, I'm not sure what I'm looking at
[06:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe okay, I'll report on #ubuntu-devel
[06:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: #launchpad
[06:38] <Tonio_> yeah, seen this ;)
[06:39] <nixternal> wo0t...got vmware working
[06:40] <jdong> nixternal: tired of typing LD_PRELOAD yet? ;-)
[06:41] <nixternal> never ;)
[06:42] <nixternal> is there a pic of the Kubuntu Usplash?
[06:43] <Riddell> nixternal: apt-get source kubuntu-default-settings
[06:43] <nixternal> doh
[06:43] <nixternal> hehe
[06:44] <nixternal> don't have to apt-get, already apt-got ;)
[06:49] <Riddell> anyone got a good idea for an announcement image?
[06:49] <Riddell> so far I've come up with http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-1.jpg and http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-2.jpg
[06:50] <nixternal> umm..send me one of those now! ;)
[06:50] <nixternal> #1
[06:50] <abattoir> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades , Adept entry added
[06:50] <nixternal> thanks abattoir!
[06:50] <nixternal> you rock!
[06:51] <abattoir> hehe, lol
[06:51] <abattoir> nixternal: my pleasure :)
[06:52] <Riddell> thanks abattoir 
[06:52] <abattoir> :)
[06:53] <claydoh> Is it just me or is adept not able to manage repos?
[06:53] <abattoir> claydoh: in edgy, its a known bug
[06:53] <claydoh> its greyed out
[06:53] <claydoh> ahhh
[06:54] <claydoh> ahh theres the bug report
[06:56] <Riddell> claydoh: no idea what's causing that, obviously it's important to fix before release
[06:56] <claydoh> :)
[06:57] <claydoh> I just noticed really, usually do a quick text edit
[06:58] <claydoh> for that matter I haven't even installed synaptic yet, haven't needed to
[06:58] <remon> hi, anyone here also having problems with amarok and getting flac/mp3 to play in edgy?
[06:58] <claydoh> no flac here, but mp3 is fine
[06:58] <claydoh> no flac here, but mp3 is fine
[06:58] <claydoh> oops
[06:59] <remon> hm, it's really a bad thing. can't find any information except the known probem with flac and xine in amarok 1.4.1
[06:59] <abattoir> remon: you do have libxine-extracodecs installed right?
[06:59] <remon> if this still holds true for amrok and edgy..
[06:59] <remon> abattoir: yes
[07:04] <remon> just got an idea, seems to work now :)
[07:04] <remon> thanks anyway
[07:11] <mhb> hello everyone
[07:12] <Tonio_> hi mhb
[07:13] <Riddell> hi mhb 
[07:13] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Beta/Kubuntu  <-- ready for some proofing and more content if needed. I have to head to school, and will be gone for about 4 hours
[07:13] <mhb> nixternal: good work with the beta page, as usual :o)
[07:14] <nixternal> thank you!
[07:14] <mhb> nixternal: heh, I've seen it even before the link came
[07:15] <nixternal> just added usplash to the mix..yes that is a cheated usplash, i put together the images from *default-settings ;)
[07:15] <nixternal> alright...bbiab
[07:17] <Riddell> nixternal: looks great
[07:17] <Tonio_> hum, it looks like the wine kde frontend isn't available in systemsettings
[07:18] <Tonio_> ... and fails to work in kcontrol
[07:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's why I didn't make it available
[07:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe okay :)
[07:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about that, I discussed with _Sime yesterday and he will re-enable the functionnality to add new kcm modules by desktop files tagging
[07:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: but to avoid the plenty of kcontrol modules that we don't want, we'll probably use another tag
[07:20] <Riddell> hmm, ok
[07:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix the kcm extensions that we want to be able if packages are installed, like knemo for example
[07:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: the idea is that we can optionnaly allow an app in systemsettings...
[07:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is not ideal, but that's the best we can do. there aren't that much kcm packages, I can maintain them
[07:21] <Tonio_> although we will need to look carefully at debian sync....
[07:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: wineconfig.py has apparently an issue encoding some chars.... I'll try to get that fixed
[07:25] <nixternal> Riddell: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/yay.png
[07:25] <nixternal> i was told to ping you about that ;)
[07:25] <nixternal> ok, im gone for real, glad you like the page, if i get back and there isn't a release yet, i will continue adding stuff if needed...bbiaf
[07:29] <mhb> um... when is the beta release expected?
[07:32] <mhb> I'm eager to test if the langpacks got fixed 
[07:43] <Riddell> mhb: within an hour or two
[07:43] <Riddell> (at a guess)
[07:46] <sebas> Riddell: When exactly is the UDS?
[07:47] <_Sime> hi all
[07:47] <sebas> hi Sime
[07:47] <Riddell> sebas: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView
[07:47] <Riddell> Sunday 5th to Friday 10th November 2006
[07:48] <sebas> Aye, thanks
[07:48] <Riddell> proofreaders, artists: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/edgy-beta.php
[07:54] <mhb> Riddell: too bad the t-shirt has the older logo :o)
[07:55] <Riddell> it doesn't, it just has a monochrome logo
[07:56] <toma> Riddell: looks good, maybe a bit more attention to Upstart? Or a link or something.
[07:57] <toma> anyway could find any obvious typo's
[07:58] <toma> +not
[07:58] <Riddell> thanks toma 
[08:01] <_Sime> Tonio_: ping
[08:01] <mhb> Riddell: is the Kubuntu Device Database translatable?
[08:02] <Riddell> mhb: yes, should be hwdb-client
[08:03] <_Sime> anyone know Tonio_ 's email  addy?
[08:03] <_Sime> found it!
[08:04] <abattoir> Riddell: layed out should be laid out?
[08:04] <abattoir> this is under the System Settings item...
[08:05] <mhb> Riddell: hm, weird ... hwdb-client is 100% translated and still I don't see a single Czech word in KuDDB 
[08:05] <mhb> Riddell: OK, I'll let you know if it's the same in beta
[08:06] <mhb> Riddell: (or I'll file a bug or something like that)
[08:06] <Riddell> mhb: please do
[08:07] <Riddell> abattoir: fixed
[08:11] <Tonio_> _Sime: testing thanks
[08:12] <abattoir> Riddell: and Amarok 1.4.3, with automatic "installation" of MP3 support... sounds better?
[08:12] <abattoir> Riddell: otherwise it looks great :)
[08:12] <Riddell> done
[08:13] <gnomefreak> amarok with auto install of mp3 support is safe?
[08:15] <Riddell> gnomefreak: why wouldn't it be?
[08:16] <gnomefreak> mp3 is illegal in places isnt it?
[08:17] <gnomefreak> and its a restricted format also
[08:20] <Riddell> "illegal" is a variable term :)
[08:21] <Riddell> but it's always been on the servers, this doesn't change anything
[08:21] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[08:26] <Tonio_> _Sime: do you get an UnicodeEncodeError when launching /var/lib/python-support/python2.4/wineconfig.py ?
[08:26] <Tonio_> I know how to fix, but I can't find a way to know where in code is the problem exactly
[08:36] <_Sime> Tonio_: I can't test that right now...
[08:36] <Tonio_> _Sime: okay thanks, I'll try on my own, and after I'll play with kss and give you feedback
[08:42] <DaSkreech> http://static.kdenews.org/jr/akademy-2006-group-photo.html
[08:42] <DaSkreech> Sweet :)
[08:52] <DaSkreech> Beta ships today?
[09:16] <bobesponja> is media:/ broken in Knot3 cause I can't mount any hard drive, it works though when I mount them manually 
[09:17] <bobesponja> I get a:
[09:17] <bobesponja> Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[09:22] <jdong> Tonio_ / imbrandon: ktorrent ok to upload now? btw topic should probably be updated s/knot3/beta
[09:24] <Riddell> jdong: go ahead with topic
[09:24] <Riddell> bobesponja: yes, it's an issue
[09:24] <jdong> Riddell: err, I don't think I can do that :)
[09:26] <jdong> brb, reboot
[09:29] <bobesponja> Riddell: ok thanx, I suppose it'll get fixed soon :)
[09:30] <Riddell> bobesponja: well, these sorts of bugs are often tricky
[09:31] <bobesponja> Riddell: do you know what package is in fault?
[09:32] <Riddell> probably kdebase
[09:39] <Tonio_> jdong: I have the package ready
[09:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: is main reopened ?
[09:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: you can up
[09:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: you can upload
[09:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: great, let's go
[09:40] <Riddell> if it's not reopened they'll go through when it is
[09:40] <jdong> whee!
[09:59] <nixternal> woohoo!
[10:00] <jdong> lol
[10:01] <Riddell> nixternal: that's release candidate
[10:01] <nixternal> ;)
[10:01] <nixternal> ya
[10:01] <nixternal> i forgot RC is next
[10:17] <GNUro> hi
[10:32] <nixternal> i wonder if the reason that hplip won't create/update the user account is because the userconfig is borked
[10:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've uploaded everything, let's wait...
[10:32] <Tonio_> it was not reopened
[10:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's fine, they'll go through when the block is removed
[10:33] <Tonio_> yeah I read :)
[10:36] <rouzic> Oh
[10:36] <rouzic> Thanks
[10:36] <rouzic> Thanks for the Beta
[10:36] <DaSkreech> Can I dist-upgrade to beta now?
[10:46] <claydoh> weee! beta torrent has one seed, and like 2/3 downloaders
[10:46] <claydoh> gonna take me a while before I can seed the full iso :(
[10:47] <Riddell> seaLne: ^^
[10:47] <Riddell> the announce hasn't passed through mailman yet
[10:48] <claydoh> but thays only cuz I have sooper slow dsl now, my upload is low
[10:48] <jdong> DaSkreech: you can always dist-upgrade :)
[10:49] <jdong> and at a poor 35KB/s, it didn't mean too much :)
[10:53] <claydoh> my current upload speed is only6-8
[10:53] <claydoh> prob should just d/l with kget
[10:53] <claydoh> then seed it
[11:00] <DaSkreech> jdong: Torrent? 
[11:00] <DaSkreech> URL URL URL :)
[11:01] <jdong> DaSkreech: releases.ubuntu.com/6.10
[11:04] <DaSkreech> Woot :)
[11:32] <Tonio_> _Sime: the systemsettigns tweak works very nicelly
[11:33] <Tonio_> _Sime: I think it is time to add that to svn ;)
[11:40] <Tonio_> re
[11:40] <Tonio_> _Sime: yeah, it works perfectly :-)
[11:40] <Tonio_> _Sime: let me know when you commit to svn, I'll sync and package :)
[11:49] <_Sime> Tonio_: no changes at all?
[11:50] <Tonio_> _Sime: hum, according to my tests, it is perfect
[11:50] <Tonio_> _Sime: I don't see anything else to change
[11:50] <Kuhrscher> Hi everbody
[11:50] <Tonio_> hi Kuhrscher
[11:51] <Kuhrscher> The Kubuntu-Installer does not install language-pack-kde-xx but language-pack-gnome-xx...
[11:51] <Tonio_> _Sime: after this I'll try to find out what is the problem with wineconfig.py....
[11:51] <Kuhrscher> Where is the right point to report this bug?
[11:51] <Tonio_> looks like an encoding problem with translations or something
[11:52] <Kuhrscher> debian-installer?
[11:52] <Kuhrscher> ubiquity?
[11:52] <Tonio_> Kuhrscher: graphical or text install ?
[11:52] <Kuhrscher> graphical
[11:52] <_Sime> Tonio_: committed
[11:53] <Tonio_> _Sime: great, I'll sync
[11:53] <Tonio_> Kuhrscher: ubiquity
[11:53] <Kuhrscher> ok, thanks
[11:54] <Tonio_> Kuhrscher: but that's a bit strange.....
[11:54] <Tonio_> Kuhrscher: beta cd  ?
[11:54] <Kuhrscher> yes
[11:54] <Kuhrscher> just installed, but have been the same for Knot 3
[11:54] <Tonio_> hum, I'll test when I'll have blank cds available
[11:55] <Kuhrscher> Should I report a bug anyway?
[11:55] <Tonio_> Kuhrscher: also please report that on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/Beta/Kubuntu/Feedback
[11:55] <Tonio_> Kuhrscher: yeah, we'll see if that gets confirmed or not :)
[11:56] <Kuhrscher> It true, really ;-)
[11:58] <Kuhrscher> Tonio_ hwdb-client doesn't use the installed translation... Same location?
[11:59] <Tonio_> Kuhrscher: yeah, that page is done for this :)
[12:00] <DaSkreech> Hey Saki is there :)
[12:03] <Tonio_> _Sime: I'm just building kss, will upload if the package builds correctly (no doublt on this)
[12:04] <Tonio_> _Sime: then I'll start fixing universe apps like knemo or the pure-ftpd frontend
[12:09] <DaSkreech> Ah no Tonio :-(
[12:10] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: hu ? I'm a bit lost....
[12:11] <DaSkreech> Sorry keep going back to http://static.kdenews.org/jr/akademy-2006-group-photo.html and searching for people
[12:11] <DaSkreech> Saki is there with John :)