[01:10] <rwhitehair> what's up
[01:11] <rwhitehair> anyone know how to change screen resolution in edubuntu... I tried System>Preferences>Screen Resolution but it wouldn't let me choose a size... so now I'm using 600X800
[01:11] <pygi> rwhitehair: thin client or regular workstation?
[01:11] <pygi> and I assume 800X600
[01:12] <rwhitehair> regular workstation
[01:12] <rwhitehair> yeah, 800X600
[01:12] <rwhitehair> no actually it's 640X480
[01:14] <pygi> might be problem with your xorg.conf
[01:14] <rwhitehair> when I first installed it, it was working fine, but now it's not
[01:15] <pygi> you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:15] <pygi> make sure HorizSync i VertRefresh are correctly set up
[01:16] <pygi> under "Display" you'll have number of resolutions listed like:
[01:16] <pygi> Modes - "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" 
[01:16] <pygi> change the order so the first one will start by default
[01:17] <rwhitehair> ahh..
[01:17] <pygi> what? :)
[01:17] <rwhitehair> Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" -- using "application/*"Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*"
[01:17] <rwhitehair> that's what I get
[01:18] <pygi> ah :P
[01:18] <pygi> sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? :(
[01:18] <pygi> :)*
[01:19] <rwhitehair> okay I'm viewing xorg.conf
[01:20] <pygi> oki, told you what you must do :)
[01:21] <rwhitehair> sorry to be a pain but I can't see modes
[01:22] <pygi> rwhitehair: care to paste your xorg.conf files pls?
[01:22] <pygi> not here tho :P
[01:22] <pygi> pastebin pls
[01:24] <rwhitehair> actually I found it... I had to type gedit after sudo
[01:24] <rwhitehair> now I found modes
[01:26] <pygi> ok, you think you can manage?
[01:27] <rwhitehair> nope, cause 1600X1200 is the default... not understanding
[01:28] <pygi> uh, vertical and horizontal sync/refresh fine for your monitor?
[01:29] <rwhitehair> where would I find that?
[01:29] <pygi> HorizSync and VertRefresh
[01:29] <pygi> and in your monitor manual :)
[01:32] <rwhitehair> ???
[01:34] <pygi> uh
[01:34] <rwhitehair> how do I save it after I edit it
[01:35] <pygi> rwhitehair: you click "Save" in gedit :)
[01:37] <rwhitehair> can't use sudo now
[01:38] <pygi> what? /me is confused :P
[01:39] <rwhitehair> well, I tried gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf first and tried to save and it said no permission
[01:39] <pygi> ofcourse :)
[01:39] <pygi> you must "gksudo gedit bla/bla" if you wanna use gedit
[01:41] <rwhitehair> not working
[01:41] <pygi> hm, why not?
[01:42] <rwhitehair> (gedit:6622): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[01:42] <rwhitehair> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[01:42] <pygi> rwhitehair: thats not a problem
[01:43] <rwhitehair> ok
[01:43] <rwhitehair> how do I send you my xorg.conf?
[01:43] <pygi> rwhitehair: you pastebin it
[01:44] <rwhitehair> dude, I'm a total noob
[01:44] <pygi> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[01:44] <pygi> paste it there, then you gimme the url
[01:45] <rwhitehair> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25117/
[01:45] <pygi> thanks
[01:47] <rwhitehair> no, thank you
[01:49] <rwhitehair> hey pygi, I have to go right now, can you email me @ gmail
[01:49] <pygi> rwhitehair: ergh, not really :)
[01:49] <pygi> please try replacing your xorg.conf with: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25119/plain/
[01:49] <pygi> and restart your X server
[01:49] <pygi> probably wont help, but worth a shot :)
[01:50] <pygi> bye rwhitehair and good luck :)
[01:50] <rwhitehair> well, I should be on later 
[01:51] <rwhitehair> thanks for the help 
[03:28] <sbalneav> Evening all
[07:31] <cbx33> ping LaserJock 
[07:34] <LaserJock> hello
[07:34] <LaserJock> you're up early
[07:34] <LaserJock> I've been having fun
[07:34] <cbx33> good good
[07:35] <cbx33> is it ok?
[07:35] <cbx33> you're happy?
[07:35] <LaserJock> yep
[07:35] <LaserJock> laserjock.us/blog
[07:35] <cbx33> bloody el man
[07:35] <nixternal> oh no
[07:35] <cbx33> drupal already eh?
[07:35] <nixternal> LaserJock has a blog now, that is scarey
[07:36] <nixternal> tell pete to hook me up as well :)
[07:36] <nixternal> im to cheap to purchase a domain
[07:36] <cbx33> hehehe
[07:36] <nixternal> i will continue leaching off of others with my hippy wasy
[07:36] <cbx33> ah LaserJock purchased his domain
[07:37] <nixternal> for instance, http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/blog
[07:37] <cbx33> I just rent him the server space
[07:37] <nixternal> ;)
[07:37] <nixternal> heh
[07:37] <nixternal> i didn't even see you at first cbx33
[07:37] <nixternal> im talking about you, and you are right there in front of me ;)
[07:37] <cbx33> heheh
[07:37] <nixternal> gg
[07:38] <nixternal> i need to shut these auto-reminder lines off in konversation..they make me miss a bunch of stuff
[07:43] <LaserJock> auto-reminder?
[07:45] <nixternal> remember
[07:45] <nixternal> sorry
[07:46] <nixternal> they let you know where you left off, but they are the same color as the j/q/p messages, so i don't see text sometimes
[07:46] <nixternal> plus i just glance a majority of the time
[07:51] <LaserJock> ah
[08:27] <RichEd> greetz edu-ubuntero's
[08:28] <HedgeMage> hiya RichEd 
[08:29] <RichEd> hey HedgeMage :)
[08:29] <HedgeMage> my mom said to tell you that "UbuntuEd doesn't sound weird at all if you've heard of Ubuntu, so just make sure to mention it first." :)
[08:29] <HedgeMage> hehe
[08:29] <RichEd> thanks :)
[08:29] <RichEd> I also found drupaled.org as their sub-brand ... so there is precedent in FOSS
[08:30] <HedgeMage> :)
[08:31] <HedgeMage> I now feel totally dumb... I'm a drupal person and I never knew about that site.
[08:31] <HedgeMage> That's just sad.
[08:37] <HedgeMage> thanks, babe ;)
[08:37] <RichEd> HedgeMage: do you have a favourite drupal look & feel site ?
[08:37] <HedgeMage> So how are you doing today?
[08:37] <LaserJock> hi RichEd 
[08:37] <HedgeMage> hmmm...
[08:38] <RichEd> well thanks .... going camping with the kids and JaneW to an outdoor music festival this weekend ... 2 days & nights no electricity or pc's :)
[08:38] <HedgeMage> nice :)
[08:38] <HedgeMage> I'm sure you'll find some way to pass the time not spent in a concert ;)
[08:38] <RichEd> "rocking the daises" :)
[08:39] <HedgeMage> I used to have a list of cool-looking drupal sites somewhere... I can't find it
[08:39] <HedgeMage> hrm
[08:39] <HedgeMage> I should really put it on my web site or something so I don't lose it
[08:41] <RichEd> Well if you think of any ... let me know ... prefreably ones that cover the the whole shooting match ... web site, forums, blogpsace
[08:41] <nixternal> UbuntuEd?
[08:41] <nixternal> name change possible/
[08:42] <RichEd> nope !
[08:43] <HedgeMage> It's probably on the office computer, in which case I'll dig it up in the morning.
[08:43] <nixternal> whew
[08:43] <RichEd> let me clarify nixternal before there is a riot ... dancing around a burning RichEd
[08:43] <nixternal> i was gonna say, here in the doofy ol US, when you are in a <course>Ed, usually means you are lacking something ;)
[08:43] <nixternal> lol
[08:44] <HedgeMage> Nah, we'd never burn you... tie you to a stake and taunt you, yes, but never actually set you on fire :P
[08:44] <RichEd> We need a space for Ubuntu in Education ...
[08:44] <nixternal> totally agree on that...as I have tried here with my uni, and they are going with SuSE, only because of the Support.
[08:44] <nixternal> whoa...i have a chance again though
[08:45] <RichEd> We have Edubuntu = Ubuntu product for the Education Desktop (and serer and LTSP server) but that is a classroom tool
[08:45] <nixternal> with Novell and their issues here..i may have to push Ubuntu again
[08:45] <RichEd> (we will never mess with the name or brand or direction of Edubuntu !)
[08:45] <nixternal> good deal..im so used to saying it ;)
[08:45] <nixternal> Laser_awa: 
[08:45] <nixternal> Laser_awa: hey
[08:45] <RichEd> But for Education, there is a wider use of Ubuntu products ...
[08:45] <nixternal> didn't fall for it this time
[08:46] <RichEd> e.g. Ubuntu on the firewall / content filter at school.
[08:46] <RichEd> e.g. Ubuntu on the Staff Admin PCs
[08:46] <nixternal> like my college for one...they currently use Fedora 2..and plan on switching to SuSE by the spring. But Novell might drop support for SuSE, otherwise big brother Microsoft won't help them on a default
[08:47] <RichEd> e.g. Ubuntu on the Education department Server Farm : Mail Server, Web Server, Content Repository
[08:47] <RichEd> So we need a space, for people in Education, who use Ubuntu Products.
[08:47] <nixternal> man...and the College of DuPage is screaming for that RichEd as well
[08:47] <RichEd> Edubuntu is *one* of these products
[08:48] <RichEd> A pretty damn fine product, but it is not all things to all education people.
[08:48] <nixternal> i run Ubuntu Chicago LoCo, and I am on the board of the CoD LUG as well...so they actually listen to me somewhat...i might have to put something together again, and go at it differently this time around
[08:48] <RichEd> So we are looking at the following pitch to an Education Institution:
[08:49] <nixternal> they keep wanting to teach students admin, yet they want to outsource everything..i think having tech support in house for students to maintain would be ideal, all the while utilizing an Ubuntu network
[08:49] <RichEd> Edubuntu in the classroom, Ubuntu for all other computing needs, one family, one community, one support base, one knowledge base and training base. Free on the desktop. Commercial support available for critical servers.
[08:49] <RichEd> No other distro can offer that complete range.
[08:50] <nixternal> excellent pitch w/o a doubt
[08:50] <RichEd> So, to get back to the name controversy ;)
[08:50] <nixternal> Edubuntu as it stands, to me my opinion, is it is K-5 maybe, leaving out the 6-12 range and higher
[08:50] <RichEd> Ubuntu is planning solution spaces on the ubuntu.com web site, of which, one will be:
[08:51] <RichEd> (hold that thought nixternal ! - back to it in a mo)] 
[08:51] <nixternal> hehe
[08:51] <RichEd> http://www.ubuntu.com/education which will ridrect to http://www.ubuntu.com/solutions/education
[08:51] <RichEd> similarly (for example only) ...
[08:52] <RichEd> http://www.ubuntu.com/icafe which will ridrect to http://www.ubuntu.com/solutions/icafe
[08:52] <RichEd> with me so far ?
[08:52] <Burgundavia> RichEd: do we really need the word "solutions" in the url?
[08:52] <nixternal> yup
[08:52] <RichEd> Burgundavia: that's the official space ... let me unravel the whole picture
[08:52] <Burgundavia> we need a better term
[08:52] <nixternal> i think that solutions should be in the url for site indexing
[08:53] <Burgundavia> solutions if massively overused in IT
[08:53] <Burgundavia> s/if/is/
[08:53] <RichEd> Burgundavia: that's the ubuntu direction, out of our control, but enough precedent in the rest of the web world for it to make sense
[08:53] <HedgeMage> Burgundavia: it's a meaningless buzzword that makes management types happy, that is a use in itself :P
[08:53] <Burgundavia> given we already have /server and /desktop, having /education and /internetcafe would follow the lead
[08:53] <Burgundavia> HedgeMage: and customers hate it
[08:54] <Burgundavia> RichEd: grumble
[08:54] <RichEd> HedgeMage: :) well cdone for supporting the same thing
[08:54] <Burgundavia> I asked Matthew to discuss major changes in the website
[08:54] <nixternal> heh, true, what I have been seeing though is companies starting to utilize "Resolution" instead of solution, and the campaign im working on for my MBA is IT Resolutions - Fixing Current Corporate Solutions
[08:54] <HedgeMage> hehe
[08:55] <RichEd> So that will be a landing zone for people coming in to Ubuntu via www.ubuntu.com and then jumping into the "education solutions area" *but* this is the "official space" and is for primarily for suits & decision makers
[08:55] <nixternal> Burgundavia is right though...if you think about it, there isn't a "solution" for education really..so to fix that, you would need to have a resolution...you can't have a true solution, as your solution might not be the correct one
[08:56] <RichEd> What we are talking about (how this thread started) is our own space where we can have our own flavour and community ...
[08:56] <Burgundavia> exactly
[08:56] <nixternal> suiters are big time into IT Solutions and Mandates
[08:56] <RichEd> Not on the www.ubuntu.com site ...
[08:56] <nixternal> im into IRC and Ubuntu, I wish they would understand that already ;)
[08:56] <HedgeMage> hehe
[08:56] <RichEd> A drupal driven Ubuntu and Education community focused space
[08:56] <Burgundavia> RichEd: what is immediately clear to me is that there has been no public discussion of the website and direction and that pisses me off
[08:57] <Burgundavia> very seriously pisses me off
[08:58] <RichEd> Burgundavia: Matt Nuzum has just joined recently, and he is consolidating Ubuntu web sites ... and I see that he is making a good start at a unified platform view. He is the first fully focused web master.
[08:58] <Burgundavia> RichEd: and he has communicated nothing publicly
[08:58] <Burgundavia> hence my anger
[08:58] <RichEd> When he has the sprawl under control, there will be a base from which to take comment ...
[08:58] <Burgundavia> no, that is not how it works
[09:00] <Burgundavia> it is the communities website as much as it is Canonicals and we need dicussion as to direction and community buyin from the ground up
[09:00] <Burgundavia> currently Canonical is failing on that
[09:00] <RichEd> Burgundavia: I will ping matt later and let him know "some of the feeling" ...
[09:00] <Burgundavia> and I am not some random ranter. I have edit rights on the website and drove initial /desktop and /server page ideas
[09:00] <Burgundavia> RichEd: I just emailed him
[09:01] <RichEd> But I do not want to be drawn into that too much, let me rather say that this is perhaps say a reason why we want our own space for Education ...
[09:01] <Burgundavia> why not use Edubuntu for all education stuff
[09:01] <Burgundavia> ?
[09:01] <Burgundavia> otherwise you end up with duplication
[09:02] <RichEd> Nope ... we are not replicating product information, or documentation or anything like that ...
[09:02] <Burgundavia> then what is going there?
[09:02] <Burgundavia> beyond a link to edubuntu.org?
[09:03] <HedgeMage> Burgundavia: I think he's leaning more toward stuff like use cases, how to know where to use edubuntu vs. ubuntu, "this is what I did in my classroom and here's a lesson plan" etc
[09:03] <Burgundavia> use cases shoudl be edubuntu.org and so should the lesson plan stuff
[09:03] <Burgundavia> edubuntu vs ubuntu is a one paragraph, followed by a link to edubuntu.org
[09:04] <RichEd> The new area is a front end, more education user friendly, which will host more teacher / scholar info and end user community driven forums etc. and have links back to the official info on edubuntu.org (where it is an edubuntu desktop isue) and ubuntu.com where it is ubuntu desktop / server stuff.
[09:04] <Burgundavia> voila, our entire /education namespace can be one page
[09:04] <Burgundavia> RichEd: if edubuntu.org is not meeting those needs, we need to fix edubuntu.org, not dump stuff on ubuntu.com
[09:05] <RichEd> No we are not dumping stuff on ubuntu.com ... let me go get my initial comments that started this thread ! 
[09:05] <Burgundavia> right
[09:05] <HedgeMage> Burgundavia: Wouldn't lesson plans and stuff just dilute edubuntu.org which is, I thought, supposed to be about the software?
[09:06] <Burgundavia> if it relates to Education and Ubuntu, it should be edubuntu.org
[09:06] <RichEd> We need a space for Ubuntu in Education ... We have Edubuntu = Ubuntu product for the Education Desktop (and server and LTSP server) but that is a classroom tool ... but for Education, there is a wider use of Ubuntu products ...
[09:06] <Burgundavia> that is where you need rich cross linking
[09:06] <Burgundavia> to me edubuntu is more than just the LTSP+GNOME we ship currently 
[09:07] <Burgundavia> its scope is "Edubuntu in Ubuntu"
[09:07] <Burgundavia> or rather, the other way around
[09:07] <Burgundavia> driving people to two different websites is simply going to lead to confusion
[09:07] <RichEd> If someone runs a school admin system (school financials, parent & children records, procurement, tuck-shop management) in the school admin department, they wil, not run an edubuntu desktop, but an ubuntu desktop with School Admin tools.
[09:08] <Burgundavia> that still falls under the scope of Edubuntu
[09:08] <Burgundavia> like I said, Edubuntu is more than just the currently technology it uses
[09:08] <RichEd> Why Edubuntu ? please explain ... I need to understand your pov
[09:08] <Burgundavia> Edubuntu is Ubuntu for Education
[09:09] <Burgundavia> doesn't matter which piece of Ubuntu they are using
[09:09] <RichEd> But isn't Edubuntu a specific product ?
[09:09] <Burgundavia> no, it is a project, which currently uses LTSP
[09:10] <RichEd> Not sure what you mean by that last starement, Not all Edubuntu installations use LTSP. Not all LTSP installations use Edubuntu.
[09:10] <Burgundavia> exactly
[09:10] <RichEd> ?? now I'm confused
[09:10] <Burgundavia> lets move Edubutu beyond the range of a single piece of technology
[09:11] <RichEd> expand ?
[09:11] <Burgundavia> Edubuntu is currently two things: a distro that uses LTSP and a project that ships that distro
[09:11] <Burgundavia> "The current version of Edubuntu is aimed at classroom use, and future versions of Edubuntu will expand to other educational usage, such as university use. "
[09:11] <Burgundavia> ^ from the front page of edubuntu.org
[09:12] <RichEd> Yes agreed. 100%. But that is all inside the Edubuntu product, in different "editions / flavours" for diffrerent clasrrom desktops.
[09:13] <RichEd> If an Education Deparment has national server farm, running web servers, mail servers, content filtering, internet link, woudl they install Edubuntu or Ubuntu server ?
[09:13] <Burgundavia> no, it clearly covers other pieces of technology, like schooltool
[09:13] <Burgundavia> for that, they would be using "Edubuntu"
[09:13] <Burgundavia> but of course, from a technology standpoint, there would be no difference
[09:13] <Burgundavia> this is about marketing
[09:14] <RichEd> Would they take an Edubuntu CD and install the server from that ? Would they want an Education desktop on the server with KHangman as an application ?
[09:14] <Burgundavia> sure
[09:14] <Burgundavia> any place that people want Linux in an educational environment, we want them to go to edubuntu.org for that
[09:14] <Burgundavia> doesn't matter what specific piece of technology they are using
[09:15] <Burgundavia> if they are using servers, then they will find an educational server community, ditto for desktops
[09:15] <nixternal> OK, I am a TA for "Intro to Linux" at the Uni. We teach in one class "Linux Firewall", if I was to use Ubuntu as my teaching tool for that class, the information could be attainable via Edubuntu then?  Or would it be practical to be a page under ubuntu.com/whatever/education?
[09:15] <Burgundavia> all that should be on edubuntu.org
[09:16] <Burgundavia> now, it may just be a link to some ubuntu content, but it should be found initially on edubuntu.org
[09:16] <RichEd> Please explain why some techie, who is 20 miles from a classroom, running a server farm, would chose an Edubuntu Server and Desktop ? I need to understand where you are coming from.
[09:16] <RichEd> please
[09:16] <Burgundavia> my goal is thus: If you are thinking about Ubuntu in Education, in any capacity, you should be able to come to edubuntu.org and get information
[09:17] <nixternal> if that is the case, then edubuntu.org would have to restructure itself away from being a website about "Edubuntu the Linux OS"
[09:18] <RichEd> In my opinion, for most people, Edubuntu is a product, that installs an education desktop. We have many universities who use Ubuntu and have support contracts to back it up. Their product in Ubuntu, and they are in education.
[09:18] <highvoltage> nixternal: I think pips1 and RichEd is currently working on that
[09:18] <highvoltage> (god morning, btw)
[09:18] <highvoltage> *good :)
[09:18] <nixternal> moin' ;)
[09:19] <cbx33> RichEd: howz it going
[09:19] <Burgundavia> nixternal: no, it does not
[09:19] <Burgundavia> nixternal: Edubuntu is about Ubuntu (the linux distro) in Education
[09:19] <RichEd> Let me explain that we are NOT talking about a space that is as the same level as edubuntu.org or ubuntu.com ... we are talking about a community space.
[09:19] <Burgundavia> nixternal: if you replace linux with LTSP< then you are correct
[09:19] <Burgundavia> if we are talking community building, it should very clearly be at edubuntu.org
[09:19] <nixternal> well, if im an instructor at a uni, why would i want to view a page that is rather "elementary" and "childish", as that is what the "Brand" is targeted for?
[09:20] <Burgundavia> nixternal: that is tangent to this dicussion and very much a cart before the horse argument
[09:20] <nixternal> well LTSP wouldn't replace Linux anyways
[09:20] <Burgundavia> if we decide to broaden up Edubuntu.org, then it will be redeveloped to follow
[09:20] <nixternal> ok then..that was my point
[09:21] <Burgundavia> RichEd: what I see is that you are getting very stuck on the current product of Edubuntu, rather than what it was scoped to be
[09:21] <RichEd> There are two types of community, I feel the need to differentiate. There is the "core community" as I call it the hobbyist space, which is our level, who are passionate about Linux. Then there is the mainstream commnity, which is normal people, passionate about Education.
[09:22] <nixternal> if Edubuntu is about Ubuntu in Education, then I think the scope of Education needs to be either 1, redifined, or 2 defined in general. As of right now, Edubuntu, Ubuntu in Education, is elementary education, and not high school to college based or targeted
[09:22] <Burgundavia> exactly why everything should be at Edubuntu.org
[09:22] <Burgundavia> nixternal: edubuntu (the product) not being targetted at higher than education is due to lack of developer resources, not lack of scope
[09:22] <RichEd> We look after edubuntu.org and there is a quality of information about our product and linux, and a degree of control to make sure that this quality is maintained.
[09:22] <Burgundavia> higher than elementary, rather
[09:23] <Burgundavia> RichEd: that is a given
[09:23] <nixternal> i understand that whole heartedly, and i think it sucks that it is like that as well
[09:23] <Burgundavia> this is our chance to do something about it
[09:23] <nixternal> damn, Burgundavia jsut started a rallying cry with this I think
[09:24] <Burgundavia> edubuntu as LTSP is really truly boring and too narrow a scope
[09:24] <nixternal> i almost jumped out of my chair and started to do something...you are 110% correct about this being our chance
[09:24] <nixternal> and edubuntu isn't all about LTSP
[09:24] <nixternal> and vice versa..if it is, then I need to rework my last job
[09:25] <RichEd> Edubuntu and LTSP are not one and the same thing ... agreed.
[09:26] <nixternal> edubuntu and ltsp is great for the communities that can't afford new systems...but that shouldn't be the only target...ltsp is great w/o a doubt, but i haven't had a reason to really use it just yet..and i know with the work we have done with FREE GEEK, we have been OK so far
[09:26] <RichEd> Burgundavia: can you please confirm is you agree or disagree with this: "Edubuntu is an Ubuntu variant that provides an education or classroom desktop and tools."
[09:26] <RichEd> *fs you
[09:26] <RichEd> *if you
[09:26] <RichEd> 9sorry)
[09:26] <nixternal> lol
[09:26] <RichEd> too much passion in this thread !
[09:27] <nixternal> ya there is, and that is good
[09:27] <nixternal> i think the other communities need this as well
[09:28] <RichEd> *good :P
[09:28] <nixternal> heheh...kick the keyboard
[09:28] <RichEd> Burgundavia ??
[09:28] <HedgeMage> I blame invisible typo gnomes!
[09:28] <Burgundavia> RichEd: sorry, moving upstairs
[09:29] <RichEd> okay ... let me repeat ... 
[09:29] <Burgundavia> no, I go tit
[09:29] <RichEd> Burgundavia: can you please confirm if you agree or disagree with this: "Edubuntu is an Ubuntu variant that provides an education or classroom desktop and tools."
[09:30] <nixternal> s/variant/project ?
[09:30] <nixternal> i can't remember what the community is using this week to explain the differences between all of the "flavors"
[09:30] <Burgundavia> how about this "The Edubuntu project is a place for Educators and Technology Professionals in the education sphere to learn about Ubuntu in education"
[09:31] <Burgundavia> that is very rough, but I think it captures what I was trying to say
[09:31] <RichEd> okay ... hold that thought ... please no one interrupt until we can get this clear
[09:31] <RichEd> Burgundavia: And Edubuntu the CD ? the product ? 
[09:32] <Burgundavia> Edubuntu the project, which has a host of tools to offer educators, one of which is LTSP
[09:32] <Burgundavia> another of which is SchoolTool, or postfix, et.
[09:32] <RichEd> Burgundavia: (with all due respect for the moment, can we leave LTSP out of it ... that is a small part of our install base)
[09:33] <Burgundavia> our project scope should very deliberatly not mention any specific technology or just the desktop
[09:33] <Burgundavia> yes, leaving out LTSP has been waht I have been arguing all along ;)
[09:33] <RichEd> But then, and this is the point I *need* to understand, what is the difference between Edubuntu the Product and Edubuntu the Project ?
[09:34] <Burgundavia> we currently have not gone beyond the single product
[09:34] <RichEd> If I go to the education department and give them a CD to build their server farm, what CD do I take ?
[09:34] <Burgundavia> hence the confusion
[09:34] <RichEd> if you look here: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/education/planning
[09:35] <RichEd> you will see that we are now looking at how to go wider ... and the thoughts are in public space ;)
[09:35] <Burgundavia> right
[09:35] <Burgundavia> that is exactly what I have been saying
[09:35] <RichEd> if you look here: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/education/planning/profiling you will see the start of a stakeholder / user list
[09:36] <Burgundavia> I am just saying lets use the Edubuntu name to move it forward
[09:36] <RichEd> I see that we may cause confusion with the name of the product, coming back to me taking my CD to the education department.
[09:37] <RichEd> What if the school, like a current project in the exUSSR is installing Kubuntu on 3,800 desktops. Is that Edubuntu ?
[09:37] <Burgundavia> well, you ask them what they are using it for an offer them either a desktop or a server cd
[09:37] <Burgundavia> is that 3800 in a school?
[09:38] <RichEd> No a nuber of schools as a pilot, if the pilot works, it goes national.
[09:38] <RichEd> *number
[09:38] <Burgundavia> I would put that under the Edubuntu scope
[09:39] <RichEd> I (myself) would put it under Ubuntu in Education scope.
[09:39] <RichEd> Where Ubuntu is the family, and not Ubuntu the product.
[09:39] <RichEd> Edubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Ubunu are all products in the Ubuntu family.
[09:39] <RichEd> my opinion only !
[09:39] <Burgundavia> I don't see it like that
[09:40] <Burgundavia> I see Edubuntu has this place for people to come together and talk about and use Ubuntu (and its variants) in educational environments
[09:40] <Burgundavia> regardless of their particular choice of technology (KDE, GNOME, LTSP, etc.)
[09:41] <RichEd> (other people can join in now ... by all means)
[09:41] <nixternal> im on my way to bed, as right now im to far tired to make sense i think ;)
[09:42] <nixternal> the passion is deep w/o a doubt, and i wish this passion would spread like the ecoli in the spinach here  ;)
[09:42] <Burgundavia> nixternal: dude I ate some of that spinach and am still here
[09:42] <nixternal> lol
[09:42] <nixternal> then you didn't get "The Spinach"
[09:42] <Burgundavia> nope
[09:42] <RichEd> So, in the edubuntu.org space, if someone is discussin how to best configure the Ubuntu Content Server for the Education Server Farm, and tune it for performance, is that debated in our area, or in Ubuntu area (because to the techie his problem is no different to serving info from say a Bank's Public Content server)
[09:42] <Burgundavia> my sanity is, of couse, already questionable
[09:42] <nixternal> i cut back on rabbit food the past few weeks
[09:43] <nixternal> off to bed i go..i will pick this up later, and i will continue to follow this... HedgeMage, i promise to start helping with some doc stuff with you as well. i have the svn here local and have began playing around with it..when i get some good hacks, i will email you the .diffs
[09:43] <nixternal> g'nite all!
[09:44] <HedgeMage> nixternal: thank you, you are wonderful.
[09:44] <HedgeMage> nixternal: if you pm me an email address I'll give you commit privs
[09:44] <nixternal> i wouldn't go that far, but no problem ;)
[09:44] <nixternal> nixternal@ubuntu.com ;)
[09:44] <nixternal> my spamfilters rock!
[09:44] <HedgeMage> cool, I'll send off your info tonight :)
[09:44] <nixternal> no rush, but thanks!
[09:45] <nixternal> i need to get with Jerome as well on some stuff..maybe he will be around soon
[09:47] <RichEd> g'night nixternal 
[09:47] <HedgeMage> sweet dreams, nix
[09:49] <cbx33> hey HedgeMage 
[09:49] <HedgeMage> heya cbx33 
[09:49] <cbx33> howz it going
[09:49] <HedgeMage> wb, RichEd 
[09:49] <cbx33> hey RichEd 
[09:49] <HedgeMage> cbx33: okay... kind of sleepy... hubby screwed up his laundry so I'm staying up to fix it
[09:50] <cbx33> awwww
[09:50] <RichEd> Burgundavia: Please read through the planning pages and mail me comments. This is a public & community debate. The good thing is that we all agree on what needs to be done. We're just debating *where* :))
[09:50] <Burgundavia> RichEd: will do
[09:50] <RichEd> tx
[09:52] <highvoltage> 232
[09:58] <RichEd> asdl reset :( did I miss any comments ?
[09:59] <HedgeMage> nope
[10:27] <pygi> morning everyone
[10:42] <HedgeMage> morning, pygi 
[10:42] <pygi> hey HedgeMage :)
[10:45] <RichEd> greetz pygi: we are meeting later today ... confirmed :)
[10:46] <pygi> RichEd: confirmed :)
[12:28] <juliux> RichEd, morning
[12:28] <RichEd> hi juliux ... how are you ?
[12:28] <juliux> RichEd,  i am good, i am testing the beta ;)
[12:28] <juliux> tomorrow my thinclients are back
[12:29] <RichEd> juliux: It looks like Poland is a definate, and I will be stuck in Europe for Mon/Tue between conferences.
[12:29] <juliux> cool
[12:37] <ogra> juliux, make sure to have at least two NICs in the server 
[12:38] <RichEd> juliux: Mon 20 - Tue 21 November -  Will you be abee to host a visit for me ?
[12:38] <ogra> we default to a two NIC setup now
[12:38] <RichEd> juliux: where are you based ? I must look at logistics ...
[12:38] <juliux> RichEd, Dresden
[12:38] <juliux> RichEd, in the middle of noware
[12:38] <ogra> no warez ? 
[12:39] <ogra> :)
[12:39] <juliux> ogra, yes i know, i have to build ot my tv card and to build in a second nic
[12:39] <RichEd> okay ... is their an easy train route to poland (confirming city today)
[12:39] <juliux> RichEd, we can met in berlin if this is easier for you
[12:40] <juliux> ogra, but two nics is a problem for little pc like my one
[12:40] <juliux> ogra, i have only one pci slot
[12:40] <ogra> well ... its a longstanding request ...
[12:40] <ogra> you can still install on a single NIC system but will miss the nice autosetup
[12:41] <juliux> and what is with an edubuntu mac mini server? has the mac mini two nics?
[12:41] <ogra> (i.e. gettingstarted is still valind then)
[12:41] <juliux> i have to nic but one is wlan ;)
[12:41] <ogra> thast ok
[12:41] <ogra> (in fact thats how i test it ;)
[12:41] <juliux> yes but it is not working during the installation process
[12:41] <juliux> it is a usb stick and you ne the prism drivers
[12:41] <juliux> need
[12:41] <ogra> bah, broadcom
[12:41] <ogra> right
[12:42] <juliux> i have no money to buy a new wlan stick
[12:42] <ogra> well, then you have to do manual fiddling, you know the drill
[12:42] <juliux> i will test it with to nics,
[12:42] <ogra> it will still work like before with a single NIC setup (you just get one more warning that the autosetup doesnt work in the installer)
[12:43] <ogra> with two NICs you dont need to touch *anything*
[12:43] <juliux> that is cool
[12:43] <juliux> but at first i will install the ubuntu beta on my notebook
[12:44] <ogra> pfft ubuntu
[12:44] <ogra> who uses *that* ?
[12:44] <juliux> i on my notebook
[12:46] <ogra> bah ... use the RIGHT one :) not this derivative of edubuntu :)
[12:46] <juliux> i also have to see what the rest is doing
[12:46] <ogra> i actually saw the ubuntu dapper artwork for the first time in wiesbaden at the sprint :)
[12:49] <pygi> ogra: muahaha, lol :)
[01:02] <MrGreen> Quck question can I update ubuntu to edubuntu (ie is ther a guide in wiki) ?
[01:03] <cbx33> yes you can it's easy
[01:03] <cbx33> ogra: over to you
[01:03] <MrGreen> cool thanks
[01:03] <MrGreen> I'll look in wiki id its there
[01:03] <ogra> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop ;)
[01:03] <MrGreen> no
[01:03] <MrGreen> lol
[01:04] <cbx33> there ya go ;)
[01:04] <cbx33> easy as pie
[01:04] <MrGreen> hehe
[01:04] <MrGreen> don't mention food
[01:04] <MrGreen> I'm hungry
[01:04] <cbx33> awww now I gotta go eat again
[01:04] <cbx33> I'm hungry too
[01:04] <MrGreen> lol
[01:04] <ogra> if you want the ltsp bits as well, install edubuntu-server and follow the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall doc
[01:05] <MrGreen> thanks
[01:05] <MrGreen> more the games for my young one
[01:05] <MrGreen> & themes
[01:05] <ogra> ah, then -desktop should suffice
[01:06] <MrGreen> thanks guys the nicest irc channel on the web ;-)
[01:06] <cbx33> MrGreen: no worries
[01:06] <cbx33> now go get some food and insall edubutnu ;)
[01:06] <MrGreen> ok ...
[01:06] <cbx33> hehehe
[01:07] <RichEd> ogra : see -> for numbers
[01:11] <ogra> could someone look over http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/lts.conf-params and tell me if thats understandable ?
[01:21] <ogra> oh
[01:22] <cbx33> just looking
[01:22] <ogra> seems they had a typhoon at his place
[01:22] <cbx33> oh no
[01:22] <cbx33> is he ok?
[01:22] <ogra> it shut off everything (power internet etc)
[01:22] <RichEd> is he okay ?
[01:22] <ogra> he seems ok ... and he still can send mail apparently
[01:23] <ogra> ...
[01:23] <ogra> hey ogra we just had a bad typhoon here yesterday nothing works except
[01:23] <ogra> mobile gprs. power expected to come back sunday. oh well...no power no
[01:23] <ogra> phone no internet thank god gprs still works. - Jerome G.
[01:23] <ogra> ...
[01:23] <cbx33> good
[01:23] <cbx33> I'll keep them in my prayers
[01:23] <ogra> just in case anyone wonders
[01:23] <cbx33> ogra: wrt to that document
[01:23] <ogra> yep ?
[01:23] <cbx33> there is a little inconsistency in defining the options
[01:24] <cbx33>  (PRINTER_0_WRITE_ONLY) (Y, N (default)) - serial only
[01:24] <ogra> N is the default here
[01:24] <cbx33> oh hang on
[01:24] <cbx33> I lost my thingy that I was using as an example :0
[01:24] <cbx33> one questions I had
[01:24] <cbx33> why do some allow 
[01:24] <cbx33> Y,y and some only Y
[01:25] <cbx33> ah yes here  (PRINTER_0_PARITY) (default: N) - serial only
[01:25] <ogra> because the ones that base on plain ltsp code only respect Y/N
[01:25] <cbx33> you have Y,N(default)
[01:25] <cbx33> and default: N
[01:25] <cbx33> is there anyway to keep that consistent?
[01:25] <ogra> we had defaulted to real boolean values in dapper and now we merged both, so you can specify either
[01:25] <cbx33> or do you think it doesn't matter
[01:26] <ogra> (for our code)
[01:26] <ogra> no, that should become consistent ..
[01:26] <cbx33> I have to go for lunch (playing drums for the kids)
[01:26] <ogra> the doc is for sbalneav, he will work it out more readable
[01:26] <cbx33> bbl
[01:26] <cbx33> ogra: ah ok cool
[01:26] <cbx33> in that respect it seems fine
[01:27] <ogra> and merge it into the handbook
[01:27] <ogra> but i need to ship something in ltsp itself as well, so thanks for the suggestion, i'll fix that
[01:28] <cbx33> lemme know if you need any proofing
[01:30] <ogra> willdo
[01:50] <pygi> uh, that's bad :(
[01:50] <pygi> the typhoon!
[01:53] <pygi> ogra, RichEd : I was just in  a local school talking with a head-master ;)
[01:54] <RichEd> hi pygi and was he interested ?
[01:54] <pygi> RichEd: well, they called me 'cause they wanted more information 
[01:54] <RichEd> lovely ...
[01:55] <pygi> it's kinda techical school, so I'll have to explore can we offer them all the apps they would need
[01:55] <RichEd> ^^^ good ... move that exact thought to the msg box
[02:31] <TeePOG> hi guys
[02:31] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[02:31] <bddebian> Hello TeePOG
[02:31] <TeePOG> hi bddebian
[02:31] <pygi> bddebian, TeePOG hey ho :)
[02:31] <TeePOG> hi pygi
[02:31] <bddebian> Hi pygi
[02:32] <bddebian> pygi: You didn't install pyeducation, did you? :)
[02:32] <pygi> bddebian: hm, I have?
[02:32] <bddebian> Hmm, it blew up for me :-(
[02:33] <TeePOG> tell me guys, why would a user not be able to launch an app from the command line? it works from my login, but when I su to the new account, it says "Xlib: Connection to :0:0 refused by server"
[02:40] <TeePOG> hmmm cbx33, the first step is to sudo apt-get remove cork
[02:43] <cbx33> heh
[02:47] <cbx33> but it;s being stubborn
[02:48] <pygi> cbx33: pm window
[02:54] <willvdl> hey guys
[02:55] <willvdl> Does anyone have a few minutes to help me sort out a wireless problem on our NEPAD project?
[02:56] <RichEd> hey willvdl ... try #ubuntu as well ... ask who looks after networking on #canonical
[02:57] <willvdl> time critical request at the mo. will check
[02:57] <cbx33> willvdl: I can try
[02:57] <cbx33> what's up
[02:58] <willvdl> -->
[02:58] <willvdl> second thoughts..
[02:58] <willvdl> we're setting up a wireless network in the demo schools
[02:58] <cbx33> ok
[02:58] <willvdl> but cannot seem to cennect
[02:58] <cbx33> encryption?
[02:59] <willvdl> iwconfig says radio off so dvcp doesn't resolve or anything
[02:59] <willvdl> no encryption, open
[02:59] <willvdl> for the moment
[02:59] <cbx33> ok, has the button on the laptop been pressed to turn wireless on?
[02:59] <willvdl> yip
[03:00] <cbx33> what does lspci show
[03:00] <cbx33> pastebin it
[03:00] <willvdl> one sec
[03:01] <willvdl> lspci|grep 220
[03:01] <willvdl> gives: Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG
[03:01] <willvdl> rev 05
[03:02] <cbx33> hmmm
[03:02] <cbx33> argh you may have to use ndiswrapper for it
[03:02] <cbx33> what does modprobe give you?
[03:03] <willvdl> one sec, apparently firmware is restricted
[03:03] <cbx33> oh?
[03:03] <willvdl> Intel firmware licence
[03:04] <willvdl> there are repositories for it somewhere...
[03:04] <cbx33> ahh
[03:04] <willvdl> popping in the fw file
[03:05] <cbx33> kk
[03:12] <rodarvus> no, ipw2200 is fully supported on ubuntu
[03:12] <rodarvus> no need for ndiswrapper
[03:12] <willvdl> just testing again
[03:13] <willvdl> hmmm, checking software control for turning the thing on
[03:13] <rodarvus> willvdl, the firmware comes with linux-image-2.6.15-<something> on dapper
[03:14] <willvdl> hmmm, wasn't loading it
[03:15] <willvdl> modprobe gives zzr
[03:15] <rodarvus> what is 'zzr'? :)
[03:16] <willvdl> dmesg says Kill Switch must be off for wireless to work
[03:16] <rodarvus> willvdl, 'kill switch' is a hardware button
[03:17] <rodarvus> I have one of these on a ipw2100 and on a ipw3945 notebooks
[03:17] <rodarvus> its likely that you have one of these on your machine too
[03:17] <rodarvus> if its an ibm thinkpad, its usually Fn+F7 (or some button close to it)
[03:17] <willvdl> compaq nc6220 
[03:18] <rodarvus> do you have a Fn key?
[03:18] <willvdl> no hardware switch
[03:19] <rodarvus> no key has a third symbol ressembling a '((*))' ?
[03:19] <willvdl> hang on... /sys/bus/pci/drivers/   looking for rf_kill
[03:21] <willvdl> heck. there is but no dice (not recognised)
[03:22] <rodarvus> I think you can only control it via hardware (its the case on the two laptops I mentioned)
[03:23] <rodarvus> willvdl, on the ipw3945 I have an external trigger, which can not be easily seen. this trigger is the hardware button for wireless
[03:23] <rodarvus> maybe would be worth checking if there is any hidden trigger on your laptop too?
[03:24] <willvdl> the big bold wireless button doesn't do anything. LED changes but dmesg shows nada
[03:25] <rodarvus> oh, so there is a wireless button :)
[03:26] <rodarvus> willvdl, lets try harder - make sure the wireless button is on the right position, sudo rmmod ipw2200 && sudo modprobe ipw2200
[03:27] <ogra> rodarvus, isnt the firmware in the restricted repos ? 
[03:27] <willvdl> rodarvus, just checking for hotkey drivers quickly. 
[03:27] <rodarvus> (wild guess) maybe the driver is only checking for hardware button when loaded
[03:27] <rodarvus> ogra, no, dpkg -S /lib/firmware/* and you'll see
[03:27] <rodarvus> (I thought it should be on -restricted-modules too, but it isnt')
[03:29] <willvdl> going to try rfswitch
[03:29] <ogra> ah, right ... 
[03:30] <ogra> in any case the nc6220  should work, iirc it was even shipped with freedos and ubuntu by HP
[03:30] <cbx33> ipw2200 is not fully supported
[03:30] <cbx33> trust me
[03:31] <cbx33> I have a tosh with one and it didn't work
[03:31] <ogra> could be that you need the modified HP iso 
[03:31] <cbx33> it is a slightly differnt model which requires ndiswrapper
[03:31] <ogra> huh ? 
[03:31] <ogra> then youre the first person i see using ndiswrapper with ipw at all :)
[03:31] <cbx33> I can't remember who helped me out on it, but I needed ndisweapper
[03:32] <cbx33> ogra: indeed....
[03:32] <ogra> did you talk to mjg59 ? 
[03:32] <rodarvus> me too, I have only seen positive experiences with ipw drivers
[03:33] <rodarvus> all of the ones I've seen work 100%, including wep, wpa, network manager, etc
[03:33] <pygi> rodarvus: right
[03:34] <cbx33> yes I did ogra 
[03:34] <cbx33> I think
[03:34] <rodarvus> I think my ipw3945 even supports wpa2, but I don't have a wpa2 router to check
[03:35] <paolob> Hi guys! My edubuntu pc has 2 nics: the first is always eth0, but the 2nd is sometimes eth1 and other times eth2. eth1/2 is the nic where the clients are connected, and the problem prevents all the stuff from working, because in /etc/network/interfaces I define eth1, and when it is eth2 it keeps unconfigured. Any hint?
[03:37] <ogra> paolob, define it in /etc/iftab
[03:37] <ogra> mn iftab should help you
[03:37] <ogra> *man
[03:38] <willvdl> there's a debian package for rfswitch, is there one in ubuntu repositories?
[03:39] <cbx33> willvdl: any luck
[03:39] <willvdl> urk, just trying to get an rfswitch package
[03:40] <paolob> ogra, thank you
[03:45] <paolob> ogra, when is /etc/iftab read, at boot or when configuring the interfaces?
[03:45] <paolob> ogra, when is /etc/iftab read, at boot or when configuring the interfaces?
[03:45] <ogra> at boot
[03:46] <ogra> before configuring the interfaces indeed :)
[03:46] <paolob> ogra, thank you, let me reboot then
[03:47] <rodarvus> willvdl, there is no (official) package for rfswitch on ubuntu *and* debian - maybe a third party repository?
[03:48] <willvdl> seems you're right. they're getting the source.
[03:49] <cbx33> what is rfswitch
[03:49] <willvdl> linux-source-2.6.15 (2.6.15-23.39) changelog says it is added
[03:50] <willvdl> cbx33, it's a driver for handling software-key enabling fo rf devices
[03:50] <willvdl> devices without hardware enabling
[03:57] <cbx33> ah
[04:05] <cbx33> willvdl: howz it going
[04:08] <TeePOG> hi everyone
[04:20] <TeePOG> RichEd: ping
[04:21] <ogra> cbx33, seen mjg59's comment on -devel to my question ? 
[04:21] <cbx33> no I'm not in there
[04:21] <cbx33> what was it?
 mjg59, there is a ipw2200 version you have to run with ndiswrapper ?
 ogra: No
[04:22] <cbx33> argghhh !
[04:22] <cbx33> I know I'm right
[04:22] <cbx33> it doesn't work without it
[04:22] <cbx33> I promise ou
[04:22] <cbx33> you
[04:22] <cbx33> I shouldn't have to do any config right
[04:22] <cbx33> just turn it on and it works
[04:22] <ogra> if its really a ipw it must
[04:26] <cbx33> well it doesn't it is a special case
[04:26] <RichEd> hi TeePOG ...
[04:28] <cbx33> ogra: really it should just work shouldn't it
[04:28] <cbx33> i turn on the laptop and it works
[04:28] <TeePOG> RichEd: got time for a quick pm?
[04:28] <cbx33> but it doesn't unless I modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:28] <cbx33> I spoke to someone in devel before
[04:28] <cbx33> this is dapper 
[04:28] <RichEd> busy wrapping for a trip TeePOG ... send pm and I will tey to cehck it out before I have to leave
[04:55] <pygi> where is our Beta download image? I wanna download :P
[04:56] <ogra> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edgy/
[04:56] <pygi> hm, thanks
[05:21] <sbalneav> Morning all
[05:25] <pygi> hey sbalneav ;)
[05:26] <sbalneav> Hello pygi
[05:53] <pygi> wb cbx33 ;)
[06:31] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[06:37] <cbx33> hey LaserJock 
[06:37] <cbx33> howz it going
[06:41] <LaserJock> ok
[06:41] <LaserJock> really tired this morning
[06:41] <cbx33> I'll bet
[06:42] <LaserJock> not sure why ;-)
[06:43] <LaserJock> my wife made be go to bed at midnight...without the laptop :/
[06:55] <cbx33> hehehe
[06:55] <cbx33> mine does that too
[07:43] <ogra> sbalneav, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/lts.conf-params
[07:44] <sbalneav> ogra: Perfect!
[07:44] <sbalneav> I've been working through them in the docs
[07:44] <sbalneav> BTW, the X_MODE_0 stuff IS in there, or at least appears to be from ltsp-client-start
[07:45] <ogra> i think thats all of them, i'll go over them again on the weekend to see if i missed anything
[07:45] <ogra> no
[07:45] <sbalneav> they show up as preseeds though?
[07:45] <ogra> its not supported by our xserver-xorg
[07:45] <sbalneav> Ah.
[07:45] <ogra> neither is X_VIDEO_RAM
[07:45] <ogra> that needs fixing in edgy+1
[07:45] <sbalneav> OK, so the CODE's there, but it's ignored.
[07:45] <ogra> worst case we'll just sed them 
[07:46] <sbalneav> OK, yeah, we'll need to fix it.
[07:46] <ogra> yep
[07:46] <sbalneav> Good to know!
[07:46] <ogra> the ltsp code is there, but the xserver is not using the preseed value
[07:47] <sbalneav> right.
[07:47] <ogra> and from a discussion with the devteam, the VideoRam parameter shouldnt be supported, but rather be fixed in the driver
[07:47] <sbalneav> Ah, so that it autodetects correctly in all cases?
[07:47] <ogra> so the dirver picks the 16384 for certain via chipsts 
[07:47] <sbalneav> That would be the best, yes.
[07:47] <ogra> (in that special case)
[07:48] <ogra> yes, indeed it should do the autodetection right for all drivers :)
[07:48] <sbalneav> Things are working well here with the beta.  I've been using it for two days here at work.
[07:49] <ogra> cool
[07:49] <ogra> i have a weird prob with my 150 (whicjh i like more since the graphics are more crisp)
[07:49] <sbalneav> I've been checking ltspfs bugs failthfully every day, so far none.
[07:50] <sbalneav> Oh? What's the problem?
[07:50] <ogra> somehow it hangs itself unconditionally ... 
[07:50] <ogra> but not reproducable ...
[07:50] <sbalneav> Hmmm
[07:50] <ogra> sometimes after 1h sometimes after 3days
[07:50] <sbalneav> nbd swap issue?
[07:50] <Burgundavia> aren't unreproducible hangs fun?
[07:50] <ogra> it seems to have to do with sound
[07:50] <sbalneav> Ahh.
[07:50] <ogra> (at least i suspect that)
[07:50] <sbalneav> esd == sucky
[07:51] <ogra> might be the driver, might be esd ... 
[07:51] <ogra> well, it shouldnt hang the whole client 
[07:51] <sbalneav> if esd == sucky:
[07:51] <sbalneav>     replace_with = pulseaudio
[07:51] <ogra> the ethernet port is somehow slightly loose ... so it ight also be a HW prob
[07:51] <ogra> its hard to say if the machine hardlocks and you dont have logs :)
[07:51] <sbalneav> Try bumping up the nbd swap from 32 to 64 meg, see if that helps.
[07:52] <ogra> i ran it without swap at all already ... and it didnt happen more often or so
[07:52] <ogra> so i dont think its mem related
[07:52] <sbalneav> A head scratcher.  Did the magic sysrq key still work?
[07:53] <ogra> nope
[07:53] <sbalneav> Yikes!
[07:53] <ogra> thats why i suspect the ethernet port
[07:53] <sbalneav> Either that, or power supply's getting duffy.
[07:53] <ogra> hmm, that coud be
[07:54] <sbalneav> You got a voltmeter at home?
[07:54] <ogra> could also be a heat problem ... i noticed it gets quite warm ... unlike the 170
[07:54] <ogra> somewhere in a moving box ... need to dig
[07:54] <sbalneav> I'd check and see if +5 and +12 are within spec.
[07:54] <ogra> liekly in the garage
[07:55] <sbalneav> I've had a subscription for a couple of years now.
[07:55] <sbalneav> That and digitalblasphemy.com
[07:58] <ogra> sbalneav, looks like pulseaudio upstrem might be in mountainview ;)
[07:58] <ogra> *upstream
[07:58] <sbalneav> Oooh, perfect.
[08:01] <ogra> hahaha
[08:01] <ogra> i got a mail from squashfs upstream :)
[08:01] <sbalneav> about?
[08:02] <ogra> telling me that squashfs raises the ram requirements for the kernel and thus it cant be that we support 32M clients
[08:02] <ogra> i wonder if he heard about modules in his life
[08:12] <highvoltage> heh
[08:12] <highvoltage> ogra: how are you doing?
[08:12] <juliux> hi highvoltage 
[08:13] <ogra> highvoltage, just peeking in for a minute here, having a coffe after i slept most of the afternoon
[08:13] <highvoltage> hey juliux 
[08:13] <highvoltage> ogra: ok. i'm still downloading beta 2. from what I read LTSP 5 is amazing. great job, I hope you have a good weekend
[08:13] <ogra> the beta testing was quite exhaustive and we have craftsmen in the house that start very early in the morning (plumbing the heating for the solar heating)
[08:14] <ogra> so i dont get much sleep atm
[08:14] <highvoltage> :(
[08:15] <highvoltage> I had some heavy sleap deprivation earlier this week too, it's not fun
[08:15] <ogra> well, but a neat solar heating, its worth 2 weeks with less sleep
[08:15] <ogra> and they were ultra quic with the roof
[08:15] <highvoltage> oh that's good at least
[08:15] <ogra> (actually they were done after two days)
[08:16] <ogra> well, and i'm really proud about edubuntu finlly being at the point i set as my personal goal (no manual intervention needed at all)
[08:16] <highvoltage> :)
[08:17] <ogra> make sure  to have two NICs in the server to get the full benefit of it ;)
[08:17] <highvoltage> we might have struc our first big commercail deal today
[08:17] <ogra> yay
[08:18] <highvoltage> we have a big .za real estate agency with more than a 100 office that just want to provide email and internet to all their agents
[08:18] <highvoltage> so we're going to do an ubuntu + ltsp setup for them
[08:18] <highvoltage> they are quite keen on the idea of ltsp
[08:18] <ogra> :)
[08:19] <ogra> grab the default lts.conf from edubuntu for it ;)
[08:19] <ogra> it switches on all the bells and whistles ;)
[08:19] <highvoltage> Knot3LTSPTesting should probably be BetaLTSPTesting?
[08:19] <highvoltage> ok :)
[08:19] <ogra> yes,but i need to rename the wikipage first ...
[08:19] <ogra> (to lazy to do that now ... i'll d it over the weekend)
[08:19] <highvoltage> by the time implementation is at full speed Ubuntu will probably be at egdy+1 already.
[08:20] <ogra> it also needs some corrections
[08:20] <highvoltage> I'm amazed how fast ubuntu moves.
[08:20] <highvoltage> ok, np. just thought I'd mention it :)
[08:20] <ogra> well that were only 4 months for development
[08:20] <ogra> but edubuntu had it most code additions this time 
[08:20] <ogra> i wonder if i start to get bored in Feisty
[08:21] <highvoltage> heh
[08:21] <ogra> (edgy+1)
[08:21] <highvoltage> I'm sure someone with your skills and talent will never get bored
[08:21] <highvoltage> there's plenty of problems to solve :)
[08:21] <ogra> well, so much time ... and only polishing to do
[08:21] <highvoltage> is it going to be a polish-only release?
[08:21] <ogra> well, indeed there are some big projects ahead ...
[08:22] <ogra> nope
[08:22] <ogra> i plan to finally dig into ldap/kerberos 
[08:22] <ogra> that will be quite big 
[08:22] <highvoltage> that would be a great ++ though
[08:22] <highvoltage> authentication is my personal #1 headache in our implementations
[08:22] <ogra> then we'Re looking into microphone and volume control on the clients
[08:23] <highvoltage> well, at least, if I want ot do it properly
[08:23] <ogra> probably redoing the whiole sounds arch
[08:23] <highvoltage> local apps on LTSP thin clients would also be great
[08:23] <ogra> and CD writing ;)
[08:23] <ogra> thats rather edgy+2  ... the auth stuff must work before
[08:23] <highvoltage> ah, that's right
[08:23] <nixternal> did you guys have some release notes done up for the beta release?
[08:24] <nixternal> this is for a fridge story 
[08:24] <ogra> did you notice the howto on diskless workstations in the ltsp-server  docs ?
[08:24] <highvoltage> LTSP is indeed a great technology. I'm glad ubuntu is giving it so much attention.
[08:24] <highvoltage> no, I havven't
[08:24] <highvoltage> is it in edgy?
[08:24] <ogra> nixternal, sorry no ... only the ltsp bit in the ubuntu release notes ...
[08:24] <nixternal> ahh..ok thanks
[08:24] <ogra> i can write something up on the weekend, are you fridge admin ?
[08:25] <ogra> highvoltage, yep
[08:25] <ogra> highvoltage, there is also a quemu script to test without client HW :)
[08:25] <highvoltage> kewl :)
[08:32] <ogra> ok, need t go ... else GF will rant ... 
[10:06] <pygi> heya all
[10:07] <juliux> hi pygi 
[10:08] <HedgeMage> Hi, all
[10:08] <HedgeMage> RichEd: still up and about?
[10:35] <j3ckyl> Hello was wondering if someone could tell me the boot option in edubuntu to disable the loading of pcmcia modules during boot
[10:36] <j3ckyl> I have tried NOPCMCIA=yes and have also tried pcmcia=off
[10:40] <LaserJock> j3ckyl: you might have better luck in #ubuntu.
[10:41] <j3ckyl> thanks
[11:24] <glasswalkertheur> hello all
[11:26] <LaserJock> hi
[11:26] <glasswalkertheur> was wondering if anyone was having a problem with symantic
[11:27] <LaserJock> symantic?
[11:27] <glasswalkertheur> or if there was an alternative, it keeps locking me up
[11:27] <glasswalkertheur> package manager
[11:27] <LaserJock> synaptic
[11:27] <glasswalkertheur> synaptic
[11:27] <LaserJock> ok
[11:27] <LaserJock> it just freezes your screen?
[11:28] <glasswalkertheur> I can run apt-get no problem
[11:28] <glasswalkertheur> yup
[11:28] <glasswalkertheur> on a vanilla box
[11:28] <glasswalkertheur> fresh install
[11:28] <glasswalkertheur> other stuff seems fine
[11:29] <glasswalkertheur> I thought at first it was the nVidia drivers, so I did a fresh install
[11:29] <LaserJock> does it do it as soon as you start it up?
[11:29] <glasswalkertheur> not usually, when I select install
[11:30] <glasswalkertheur> either the update manager, or from the system>admin 
[11:44] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:45] <LaserJock> glasswalkertheur: I'm not sure what's going on. I haven't heard of that. You might want to try #ubuntu as there are a lot more people there and it's a generic problem
[11:46] <glasswalkertheur> ok, thanks
[11:46] <glasswalkertheur> I will check later