[12:12] <DaSkreech> THey got married and he talked her into spending the honeymoon at a KDE codefest :)
[12:12] <Riddell> she insists it isn't a honeymoon
[12:12] <DaSkreech> Riddell is in the pic as well 
[12:12] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[12:12] <DaSkreech> What's her phrasing?
[12:12] <Kuhrscher> Tonio_ Done :)
[12:12] <Riddell> I look like I havn't showered for three days (which I hadn't)
[12:12] <nixternal> nice legs Riddell! ;)
[12:13] <Riddell> her phrasing was "It's not a honeymoon!"
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry, I didn't upload the good changes file for kss, you should have received a notification
[12:17] <Kuhrscher> Good night. Bye.
[12:17] <Tonio_> nite Kuhrscher
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, cool on the photo :)
[12:18] <nixternal> well, us KDE people can't brag that we got the secksiest hackers ;)
[12:18] <imbrandon> jdong, ktorrent uploaded 
[12:18] <Tonio_> imbrandon: argh ! I already did :)
[12:18] <imbrandon> Riddell, wow rockin photo ( with the strengi )
[12:18] <Tonio_> imbrandon: will be rejected probably
[12:18] <imbrandon> Tonio_, !!
[12:19] <jdong> imbrandon / Tonio_ hehe :)
[12:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: sorry I told there I did it
[12:19] <imbrandon> jdong, did you ask two of us to do it ?
[12:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: he asked both, and I said it was uploaded :)
[12:19] <jdong> imbrandon: no, Tonio_ found the bug report
[12:19] <imbrandon> heh i told him the day he gave me the patch i would upload it, welp it looks like one will get rejected
[12:20] <jdong> imbrandon: i didn't intentionally try to ask two of you guys to do it out of impatience... honest
[12:20] <nixternal> how come seaLne looks like he was holding back a gut busting laugh?
[12:20] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the important thing is that the patch is uploaded :)
[12:20] <imbrandon> jdong, well i told you the day you made the patch and i checked it i would upload ;) BE PATIENT hehe
[12:21] <Tonio_> imbrandon: not a big issue if one is rejected
[12:21] <imbrandon> Tonio_, no no real biggie
[12:21] <imbrandon> Tonio_, its just the point /me glares at jdong some more hehe
[12:21] <Tonio_> imbrandon: sorry I though you were looking at the channel log hehe :)
[12:22] <Tonio_> jdong: yeah, 15 minutes, at least, you deserve it !
[12:22] <jdong> waaaaah.... imbrandon and Tonio_ are being mean to me.... waaaaaah
[12:22] <imbrandon> Tonio_, no i dident read the log becouse it dident seem nessesary days ago when he asked ;)
[12:22] <Tonio_> [jeu sep 28 2006]  [21:22:37]  <jdong> Tonio_ / imbrandon: ktorrent ok to upload now? btw topic should probably be updated s/knot3/beta
[12:22] <Tonio_> the channel never lies ^^
[12:22] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[12:22] <Tonio_> okay let's go somewhere else
[12:22] <Tonio_> imbrandon: using english language on the desktop yes ?
[12:23] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I need to confirm that a python issue is due to translations...
[12:23] <Tonio_> imbrandon: possible for you to launch /var/lib/python-support/python2.4/wineconfig.py
[12:24] <imbrandon> yup it launched
[12:24] <Tonio_> imbrandon: no issue ?
[12:24] <imbrandon> i dont have wine installed but it worked
[12:24] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yeah, and what is you install wine ?
[12:24] <imbrandon> other than the .wine dir dident exist, the dialog worked
[12:25] <imbrandon> heh
[12:25] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yeah same here, but when wine is installed, if goes further, and by the end I get this :
[12:25] <Riddell> I know what the next release is going to be called!
[12:25] <Tonio_> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 11: ordinal not in range(128)
[12:25] <imbrandon> Riddell, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[12:25] <imbrandon> do tell ?
[12:25] <Tonio_> I suppose this is due to french translation since the character seems to be ''
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: NOOOOOOOOO please don't say this !
[12:26] <imbrandon> Tonio_, ok lemme grab a shower then i'll test better
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: you cannot keep it a secret now !
[12:26] <Riddell> I'll give you a clue...
[12:26] <Riddell> it begins with "F"
[12:26] <DaSkreech> It starts with a F
[12:26] <imbrandon> hahahahahaha
[12:26] <DaSkreech> hahahaha
[12:27] <imbrandon> common !?!
[12:27] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:27] <Tonio_> ^_^
[12:27] <imbrandon> Tonio_, +1
[12:27] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:27] <Tonio_> we'll keep the secret :)
[12:27] <imbrandon> Riddell, serouisly is he gonna announce it soon i presume 
[12:27] <Riddell> he says he's writing an e-mail to ubuntu-devel
[12:28] <Tonio_> let me guess... "F*uckin' falcon" ?
[12:28] <imbrandon> wow , rockin
[12:28] <Tonio_> hehe, that would rock :)
[12:29] <Riddell> imbrandon: don't get your hopes up too high :)
[12:29] <imbrandon> lol
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: frog or falcon ? ;)
[12:29] <imbrandon> ferret
[12:29] <Riddell> nope
[12:29] <DaSkreech> Flamingo
[12:29] <DaSkreech> Flaming Flamingo :)
[12:29] <imbrandon> omg not a flamingo
[12:29] <Riddell> no no
[12:30] <DaSkreech> Fuzzy-Wuzzy 
[12:30] <Tonio_> "foomatic fix" the release focussing on printing :)
[12:30] <Tonio_> haha
[12:30] <imbrandon> man Riddell has me hitting "get new mail" every 10 seconds
[12:30] <imbrandon> lol
[12:30] <imbrandon> gah , and i was just about to hit the shower
[12:31] <imbrandon> ...
[12:31] <Tonio_> I don't wanna miss it
[12:31] <imbrandon> haha
[12:31] <nixternal> hrmm..my other packages didn't make it i guess ;(  da freeze is in effect
[12:32] <Tonio_> imbrandon: no issues with wine installed ?
[12:32] <DaSkreech> Flagelating Pheromes?
[12:32] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i havent installed it yet, i was gonna hit the shower and get some food first if thats ok
[12:33] <imbrandon> i have to do it on the lappy as i have cxoffice installed on this box and cxoffice and wine proper dont mix
[12:33] <imbrandon>  /well/
[12:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe, you do what you want :)
[12:34] <nixternal> woohoo...i know now ;)
[12:34] <nixternal> i can't believe they would pick that name either
[12:35] <imbrandon> wha !?!
[12:35] <imbrandon> how does nixternal know ?
[12:36] <DaSkreech> It was flagellating?
[12:36] <DaSkreech> Oh no it wasn't :-(
[12:36] <DaSkreech> Yeah I wouldn't guess that either
[12:36] <DaSkreech> stupid eft :-P
[12:38] <imbrandon> ...
[12:38] <nixternal> ;)
[12:41] <nixternal> and the name is...
[12:41] <nixternal> The
[12:41] <nixternal> Foofy Ferret!
[12:41] <nixternal> i can't believe you all are hording your "Send/Receive" buttons so much right now, that this channel has gone dead
[12:42] <imbrandon> lol
[12:42] <DaSkreech> Konversation doesn't have a button
[12:42] <DaSkreech>  if your keyboard dies you are SOL
[12:42] <nixternal> im just hitting "ctrl+r" on ff and the list ;)
[12:47] <DaSkreech> Damn it I'm going to have to go home
[12:48] <nixternal> we will let you know when you get home
[12:48] <nixternal> don't worry...it is all a hoax anyways ;)
[01:35] <imbrandon> Riddellllllllllllllllllllllllllllll still no email hehehehehe
[01:47] <Riddell> imbrandon: I can't even remember what it is now, it probably wasn't that interesting :)
[01:47] <Riddell> this is fun http://www.debianadmin.com/kubuntu-606-lts-installation-with-screenshots.html
[01:49] <imbrandon> haha nice
[01:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: digikam main inclusion report is still unreviewed.....
[01:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: canonical got a new security dude today, maybe pitti will have some spare time
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I know is has tremendous amount of work, but is there another person that i can ping instead ?
[01:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, only pitti does the reviews
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, let's try again :)
[02:13] <ryanakca> Riddell: cdbs fixed? and how do I get qcomicbook to rebuild now? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/qcomicbook
[02:16] <Tonio_> ryanakca: having a look....
[02:23] <Riddell> ryanakca: I'll upload cdbs in a bit, was waiting for beta to be over
[02:25] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk
[02:26] <ryanakca> is beta over?
[02:27] <Tonio_> ryanakca: it'll not build in it's current state......
[02:27] <Tonio_> there is no admin folder in the tarball
[02:27] <ryanakca> Tonio_: ???
[02:27] <Tonio_> ryanakca: that's it......
[02:27] <Tonio_> I'm investigating
[02:28] <ryanakca> yes, that's a problem with CDBS that Riddell has fixed and is waiting to upload :)
[02:28] <Tonio_> ryanakca: doesn't build here actually...
[02:28] <Tonio_> ryanakca: yeah okay
[02:28] <ryanakca> :)
[02:28] <Tonio_> ryanakca: the problem is more than it is not a kde application, but a qt app
[02:29] <Tonio_> doesn't build-dep on kdelibs4-dev and we shouldn't use kde.mk cdbs rules
[02:29] <ryanakca> ah
[02:29] <Tonio_> ryanakca: need to redo the packaging completly I think
[02:29] <ryanakca> so, where will it get QT?
[02:29] <Tonio_> ryanakca: libgt3-mt ;)
[02:29] <ryanakca> well, not completly...
[02:29] <ryanakca> just edit rules and control
[02:29] <Tonio_> ryanakca: let me test, a moment :)
[02:32] <Tonio_> ryanakca: rebuilding control and rules, is almost all the packaging :) the rest is just administrative stuff :)
[02:32] <ryanakca> lol
[02:33] <Tonio_> I don't understand how could this have been uploaded
[02:33] <ryanakca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth   needs to be updated... it talks about what color dapper will be, and if dapper will meet the June 2006 release...
[02:33] <Tonio_> did that ever build ?
[02:33] <ryanakca> did what? qcomicbook?
[02:33] <ryanakca> yes, perfectly...
[02:34] <ryanakca> Rid'dell built it, I built it, imbra'ndon built it.
[02:34] <Tonio_> ryanakca: that's a nonsense :)
[02:34] <Tonio_> or at least the packaging was different, that's obvious
[02:34] <ryanakca> s/built/pbuilt
[02:34] <Tonio_> ryanakca: ........ weird
[02:34] <ryanakca> hmm... very
[02:35] <Tonio_> in any case we should upgrade to latest version which requires uvf exception report
[02:35] <ryanakca> ???
[02:35] <ryanakca> lost me there... english please :)
[02:36] <Tonio_> ryanakca: universe branch is frozen now for new upstream version
[02:36] <Tonio_> so we need to prepare package and write a report
[02:37] <Tonio_> ryanakca: the strange point is I don't understand how could that have build with kde.mk cdbs rules...... that absolutly impossible.....
[02:42] <Tonio_> the packaging is really to re-do
[02:42] <Tonio_> no man page.....
[02:42] <Tonio_> okay let's go, I'm doing it
[02:43] <ryanakca> ???
[02:46] <ryanakca> Tonio_: ??
[02:47] <Tonio_> ryanakca: forget this, there is one but it is hidden :)
[02:47] <ryanakca> lol, so there is a man page?
[02:47] <imbrandon> dpkg-source -x file.dsc
[02:47] <Tonio_> I don't understand this application's structure......
[02:47] <Tonio_> icons in "fedora" folder...... that's crappy
[02:47] <Tonio_> ryanakca: yes there is one
[02:48] <ryanakca> imbrandon: thanks
[02:48] <Tonio_> honnestly, that's very weird......
[02:48] <ryanakca> yes *remembers adding stuff to rules about the fedora dir*
[02:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon: did that ever built for you ?
[02:48] <ryanakca> very...
[02:48] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yes me and Riddell both built and reviewed it
[02:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon: how can a pure QT app build with kde.mk cdbs rules ? :)
[02:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon: there is something I'd like to be teached there :)
[02:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon: that's not a kde app :)
[02:49] <imbrandon> tbh i havent looked at it in weeks, i would have to go back and look
[02:50] <Tonio_> imbrandon: well I'm redoing the packaging as a normal qt application
[02:50] <Tonio_> should be resolved tomorrow
[02:51] <imbrandon> okies, just work with ryanakca on it so he can learn ;) that was his baby
[02:51] <ryanakca> it is :)
[02:51] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:52] <ryanakca> imbrandon: when is beta freeze over? sometime today, I know that...
[02:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: should be over now
[02:52] <imbrandon> should be over now but the queue still seems in manual mode
[02:53] <Tonio_> ryanakca: in fact I'll continue to use cdbs but with makefile.mk instead of kde.mk
[02:53] <ryanakca> kk, so any changes to k-d-s should be up, and then I can redownload it and add my changes?
[02:53] <ryanakca> ermm...
[02:53] <imbrandon> Riddell, the backports for amarok and konversation got processed today and now are upto par with edgy
[02:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, but in fact the issue is due to packaging too :)
[02:53] <crimsun> imbrandon: (well, kamion and infinity deserve a bit of a break...)
[02:53] <imbrandon> crimsun, definately , i was just noteing it ;)
[02:54] <Riddell> imbrandon: rock, please add to UWM
[02:54] <Riddell> UWN
[02:55] <imbrandon> cool ok
[02:56] <imbrandon> also libmtp is out of the NEW queue too si i can test amarok with it and poke pitti about the MIR tomarrow^Wlater today
[02:56] <ryanakca> Tonio_: mind explaining what your doing so that I can do it on this side as well?
[02:58] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I'm simply rebuilding a rule file using makefile.mk instead of kde.mk, and changing control file for correct builddeps
[02:58] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I'm not very used at packaging qt apps, so I have to make a few tests to be sure it is okay ;)
[02:59] <imbrandon> [19:58]  <Tonio_> ryanakca: I'm simply rebuilding a rule file using makefile.mk instead of kde.mk, and changing control file for correct builddeps
[02:59] <imbrandon> [19:58]  <Tonio_> ryanakca: I'm not very used at packaging qt apps, so I have to make a few tests to be sure it is okay ;)
[02:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon: thanks :)
[03:01] <ryanakca> ah, kk, ty
[03:21] <ryanakca> Tonio_: I'm heading to bed, lemme know how it goes in the morning/tommorow afternoon
 "I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather...Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car...."
[04:02] <imbrandon> nixternal, thats just ..... wrong
[04:02] <nixternal> haha
[04:02] <jjesse> funny but wrong :)
[04:03] <nixternal> i almost spit dr. pepper out on that one
[04:03] <jjesse> i see beta is out, congrats guys
[04:03] <nixternal> in otherwords, i almost sinned
[04:07] <imbrandon> nixternal, whats the url to woth UWN work in progress page ?
[04:07] <imbrandon> i have a few things to stick in there
[04:07] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter
[04:08] <imbrandon> thanks
[04:08] <nixternal> yp
[04:08] <nixternal> hypfda
[04:08] <nixternal> ya that
[04:15] <Hobbsee> morning all
[04:15] <jjesse> morning Hobbsee
[04:16] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[04:16] <Hobbsee> jjesse: :)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon 
[04:16] <jjesse> how are you Hobbsee?
[04:16] <jjesse> sorry haven't been on much, i'm working at a client until christmas that blocks IRC
[04:16] <Hobbsee> jjesse: ahhh...fair enough
[04:17] <jjesse> so i follow up when i can:)
[04:17] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[04:34] <imbrandon> nice
[04:34] <imbrandon> Hobbsee are you on the -art ML ?
[04:35] <imbrandon> From: Mark Shuttleworth <mark@canonical.com>
[04:36] <imbrandon>  To: Kenneth Wimer <kwwii@bootsplash.org>, Ubuntu Art Team <ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com>
[04:36] <imbrandon>  CC: Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com>
[04:36] <imbrandon> 
[04:36] <imbrandon> ...just upgrade to Edgy on my Kubuntu desktop. It's.... wow. A thing of
[04:36] <imbrandon> great beauty. Well done Ken.
[04:36] <imbrandon> Mark
[04:36] <imbrandon> now thats just rockin 
[04:36] <Tonio_> imbrandon: qcomicbook uploaded
[04:37] <imbrandon> cool
[04:37] <Tonio_> I had hard time trying to play with makefile.mk
[04:37] <Tonio_> it failed for some strange reason I don't know....
[04:37] <Tonio_> honnestly, qcomicbook sources are strange........
[04:37] <Tonio_> finaly I did manually just using debhelper.mk and that was fine
[04:38] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:38] <Tonio_> I'll make a point tomorrow with ryanakca
[04:40] <imbrandon> cool , thanks Tonio_ he is really trying to learn and that was his first package
[04:41] <Tonio_> imbrandon: and not the easiest, since the sources are really crappy
[04:42] <Tonio_> desktop file in a "fedora" folder, not installed via makefiles etc.......
[04:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no i'm not
[04:45] <Hobbsee> nice!
[04:45] <imbrandon> yea that was just sent moments ago
[04:45] <imbrandon> i dident thionk you were
[04:45] <imbrandon> think*
[04:46] <imbrandon> Riddell and kwwii will be happy also i'm sure ;)
[04:47] <imbrandon> ugh i hate uvfe's i missed it by one day
[04:47] <imbrandon> bbiab to finish this uvf report
[04:59] <Tonio_> I think kwwii can be proud of him :)
[06:47] <lastnode> hey guys, i was just wondering if anyone would be willing to throw up a quick qt frontend for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream . the gtk one is already written, but it's been really hard nailing down a py-qt guy.
[07:39] <nixternal> my screen colors are so bad..i can't tell what color my webpage is...i have 2 machines, and each display the same page in different colors..i so wish my display config worked in kubuntu ;)
[07:41] <imbrandon> nixternal, fixit kthxbye
[07:41] <nixternal> omg i will kill you 
[07:41] <nixternal> ;)
[07:41] <nixternal> dude, you goin' to cali?
[07:41] <imbrandon> hopefully, i'll find out on the second
[07:42] <nixternal> i have 3 out of 5 instructors giving me mid-term week off, and letting me finish them either before or after....the other 2 are jerks
[07:42] <nixternal> i told them it is business, and they both said the same thing, " you should have taken that into account before starting college"
[07:43] <nixternal> i purchased a ticket, and i am staying at a (girl)friends house
[07:43] <nixternal> if i go
[07:43] <nixternal> actually, i used frequent flyer miles, so i didn't purchase anything
[07:43] <nixternal> and it is refundable just in case
[07:43] <imbrandon> heh
[07:44] <nixternal> i can't afford a hotel, but this girl lives 3 or 4 miles from the plex
[07:44] <imbrandon> cutiecoder ?
[07:44] <imbrandon> bwhahaha
[07:44] <nixternal> dude..you want to die for real i think ;)
[07:44] <nixternal> don't make me start with the "rumors"
[07:44] <nixternal> ;)
[07:45] <nixternal> i couldn't imagine being in the vacinity of that chick...i would kill myself
[09:30] <freeflying_> Riddell: ping
[10:26] <GNUro> hi1
[10:26] <GNUro> Hi!
[10:29] <GNUro> i think that i've find a bug.. systemsettings>Monitor&Display>Power Saving> switch off monitor are resetted everytime you reboot the machine. Anyone can confirm?
[10:31] <GNUro> Someone.. :P
[10:33] <Hobbsee> there's already a bug in power saving somewhere, iirc.
[10:33] <Hobbsee> check in the source package kde-guidance on malone
[01:03] <Riddell> I see freespire have bought an advert against "kubuntu" on google
[01:03] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: heya.  did the new knm get approved?
[01:04] <abattoir> hmmm... "What is Ubuntu Missing?" comes against ubuntu too
[01:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee not yet, I'm waiting for mdz
[01:04] <Tonio_> hi everyone :)
[01:05] <abattoir> hi Tonio_ :)
[01:05] <abattoir> and Hobbsee and Riddell :)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> heya abattoir 
[01:06] <abattoir> "Is Ubuntu Special" seems to be the other ad
[01:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, main looks like still locked... only my universe uploads have gone in so far
[01:22] <Riddell> I'm not sure who the best person to ask about that is
[01:22] <Riddell> probably tollef or kamion at this time of day
[01:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: see #u-d
[01:34] <mhb> hello everyone
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay thanks :)
[01:38] <mhb> Riddell: do you remember when I was talking about the langpacks that were 50% in Czech and 50% English? And you advised me to wait with it until beta?
[01:38] <Riddell> yes
[01:39] <Tonio_> mhb: same problem with french, it is now resolved...
[01:39] <Tonio_> mhb: doesn't work for you ?
[01:39] <mhb> Riddell: well, you were right, 90% got solved, but there are two apps that didn't
[01:40] <mhb> sadly, they are used quite often - Adept (family) and Systemsettings
[01:40] <Tonio_> mhb: I could have bet it :)
[01:40] <Tonio_> mhb: concerning adept, that's known issue
[01:41] <Tonio_> mhb: concerning systemsettings, should work (at least works here)
[01:42] <Tonio_> mhb: is it translated on rosetta ?
[01:42] <mhb> 100% (by myself)
[01:42] <mhb> both of them
[01:43] <Tonio_> mhb: hum... I must say I'm not an expert reguarding to those translations problem... Riddell might have the key
[01:43] <Riddell> adept is to do with not loading translations from libept
[01:44] <Riddell> systemsettings I'm not sure, might be the modules not loading or might be the .desktop files not being translated
[01:45] <mhb> Riddell: well, I translated the systemsettings-desktop, too
[01:46] <mhb> Riddell: concerning adept, is there a bug in LP (Tonio_ said it is well-known)?
[01:49] <mhb> it's probably this one
[01:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is systemsettings works here, so we can exclude modules loading
[01:49] <mhb> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/47181
[01:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47181 in ept "broken localisation support" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[01:49] <Tonio_> mhb: when did you ?
[01:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: I fixed ryanakca's qcomicbook package.... I'll make a point with him on what were the issues
[01:50] <mhb> Tonio_: when did I translated it? A week or so ago.
[01:50] <mhb> (have I)
[01:50] <Tonio_> mhb: that's normal then, translations package need to be rebuilt
[01:50] <Tonio_> mhb: last sync was about 10 days ago afaicr
[01:51] <Tonio_> mhb: that will hopefully happen before RC
[01:52] <mhb> Tonio_: any way I can check it before the sync? Use the .mo export function from Rosetta?
[01:52] <Tonio_> mhb: yup, you can do that way
[01:53] <Tonio_> ryanakca: ping me when you are there, would be nice to make a point of the changes I did to the package
[01:53] <Tonio_> ryanakca: the goos news is that it is in universe and builds now
[02:17] <mhb> hmmm... I updated the .mo file with the one from Rosetta, but somehow the systemsettings package still doesn't use the translations from it
[02:20] <GNUro> hi
[02:26] <mhb> GNUro: hi
[02:27] <GNUro> mhb: :)
[02:31] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:03] <cmvo> Hi! Where do iso's usually appear first? For me http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/edgy/ still only contains knot-3.
[05:06] <abattoir> cmvo: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/edgy-beta.php
[05:07] <jdong> cmvo: beta, and rc and final are released to releases.ubuntu.com
[05:07] <jdong> cmvo: knots/arrays/dailies are on cdimage
[05:08] <cmvo> abattoir: Thanks, looking in the wrong place :-)
[05:09] <abattoir> cmvo: no problem at all :)
[05:09] <cmvo> jdong: Thank you too! Didn't know about releases.ubuntu.com
[05:09] <cmvo> Now for the download :-)
[05:09] <abattoir> he is busy fighting w/ his computer ;)
[05:11] <jdong> :)
[05:45] <mhb> well, the bug 47181 is getting on my nerve :oI
[05:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47181 in ept "broken localisation support" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47181
[05:46] <mhb> anyone tried to fix it? It's currently assigned to nobody ...
[05:50] <Tonio_> mhb: adept's developper, mornfall, should be looking at it
[05:51] <Kuhrscher> Tonio_ I asked him about it some days ago, but I did not have the impression he will fix it...
[05:53] <Tonio_> Kuhrscher: ah...
[05:53] <mhb> Kuhrscher: it's the same pain in the neck for you, I guess :o) 
[05:53] <Kuhrscher> mhb: Yes...
[06:02] <mhb> Kuhrscher: does mornfall come here sometimes or should I contact him by e-mail?
[06:03] <Hawkwind> mhb: He comes here from time to time
[06:03] <Hawkwind> !seen mornfall
[06:03] <ubotu> mornfall is on IRC right now!
[06:03] <Hawkwind> Hah, just not in this channel
[06:04] <mhb> Hawkwind: thanks
[06:05] <mhb> Hawkwind: hm... he's away
[06:05] <Hawkwind> Yep
[06:06] <Kuhrscher> mhb: I talked to him via IRC
[06:20] <abattoir> but i guess its best to avoid those individuals...
[06:20] <abattoir> (or corporations)
[06:21] <jdong> KUBUNTU SUCKS :D
[06:21] <jdong> lol
[06:21] <jpatrick> jdong: really?
[06:22] <jdong> jpatrick: LINSPIRE FOREVER
[06:22] <abattoir> hehe, lol :D
[06:22] <toma> abattoir: simply not read user comments on general news items...
[06:22] <abattoir> toma: sometimes the feedback is useful or helpful
[06:23] <abattoir> but i guess we really should ignore stuff like this
[06:23] <abattoir> or rather I ;)
[06:23] <toma> abattoir: comments on the dot are seldom interesting
[06:25] <jpatrick> abattoir: "And you are idiotware." -- nice
[06:25] <abattoir> jpatrick: yes :D
[06:25] <abattoir> i guess it was offtopic for me to get it in here ;)
[06:25] <abattoir> sorry
[06:26] <jdong> pfff, <flamesuit>nothing important ever happens in #kubuntu-devel</flamesuit>
[06:28] <mhb> Riddell, Tonio_ : it looks like the systemsettings simply ignores the desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo translations
[06:28] <mhb> at least here
[06:36] <Kuhrscher> mhb: I fear there are some more problems like this...
[06:36] <Kuhrscher> mhb: hwdb-client-kde ignores the installed translation too
[06:37] <toma> notranslationware
[06:38] <Kuhrscher> hwdb-client?
[06:39] <toma> Kuhrscher: ignore me
[06:40] <Kuhrscher> toma: Ok ;-)
[06:42] <mhb> Kuhrscher: yeah, I think it's the same in Czech
[06:42] <mhb> Kuhrscher: already filed a bug?
[06:42] <Kuhrscher> mhb: yes
[06:43] <Kuhrscher> https://launchpad.net/bugs/62866
[06:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62866 in hwdb-client "Translation broken in Kubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[06:52] <mhb> Kuhrscher: I'll look at it and possibly confirm it later, thanks for the link
[06:53] <mhb> bbl
[07:04] <toma> el: i'm developing a new mailclient and posted a mockup for the composer, if you have time, I would appreciate to know your opinion very much.
[07:06] <el> Toma, hi 
[07:06] <el> toma, you posted it in your blog?
[07:06] <toma> el: hi, yes.
[07:06] <el> toma, on planetkde? mom, have a look...
[07:12] <el> toma, in your mockup, the address area takes a lot of space. but most of the mails which are sent go to a small number of recipients only
[07:12] <el> so it takes quite a lot of space. 
[07:13] <toma> el: i figured most people do not compose mails fullscreen, so the space is available for other things
[07:14] <el> toma, hm... they don't use it full screen, but that's not a reason to make the window larger than it needs to be. the smaller the composer, the easier to use other windows for reference
[07:14] <toma> el: one of the comments suggested to use a pulldown for to,cc,bcc instead of three columns with checkboxes
[07:14] <el> toma, also, the strict separation of custom email and address book is difficult. you have to think if you want to add an email address or know a name. or do you plan completion for the above line edit?
[07:15] <toma> el: yes, i can merge them to one line edit: search in addressbook and an add button behind it for the case it is not in the address book
[07:16] <el> toma, i agree for the pulldown. 
[07:16] <toma> okay
[07:17] <el> toma, when you merge them in one line edit > where do you show the results from the address book? still in the bottom panel or in a minicli completion?
[07:17] <toma> el: what would you recommend? I'm not sure how users think of the autocompletion 
[07:18] <toma> el: the one I asked all relied on autocompletion though
[07:18] <el> toma, i think autocompletion in the line edit works pretty well. we did some tests with the kmail composer (i think 2 years ago)
[07:18] <el> toma, and people expected auto completion
[07:19] <toma> el: but i know windows users who call us when there addressbook is gone in outlooks composer 
[07:19] <el> toma, if you list the addresses in the panel on bottom, users have a very long way from entering the name to actually selecting the recipient
[07:19] <toma> hmm, ok. autocompletion saves a lot of room...
[07:19] <el> toma, yeah, you should still provide access to the address book. people not only search for names, but also by company, position, etc.
[07:20] <el> toma, you still use kaddressbook?
[07:20] <toma> el: no ;-)
[07:21] <el> toma, so you got your own addressbook? or another one?
[07:21] <toma> el: fo this emailclient you mean?
[07:21] <el> toma, yes, for this email client
[07:22] <toma> el: o ok, I will use kaddressbook for that, yes
[07:23] <toma> but i don't want all kinds off popup's, so I rather inteegrate it in the composer
[07:23] <el> toma, the cases where users actually need to go into the address book to search are a rather small proportion. so if you go for name/email completion in the composer, and provide a picker with (a bit) more advanced search facilities, that should be fine
[07:23] <el> toma, but you shouldn't integrate something in the main window which is only used in 5% of the cases (if at all)
[07:24] <toma> el: ok, I'll make it a collapsable part of the composer
[07:24] <el> toma, that sounds better. 
[07:25] <toma> but that means the section with to/cc/bcc has to move above the subject part again
[07:25] <el> toma, yes, i think that's better. 
[07:26] <toma> hm, hm
[07:26] <el> toma, then the widgets have more width, so you can display the full name and email address without ...
[07:27] <el> toma, the items in the list are still editable, no?
[07:27] <toma> should be
[07:27] <el> fine :)
[07:28] <toma> but it's going to look a lot  like kmails composer.
[07:28] <el> toma, it's going to look a lot like every email client ;-)
[07:29] <toma> when there a lot of receipients you need to scroll etc
[07:29] <toma> i'm not happy with that
[07:30] <el> toma, yes, i know. but having it to the left means that you'll mostly see only half of the names. and you really waste space when you have only 1 or 2 recipients
[07:30] <el> toma, who is that mail client for? company usage, private or all?
[07:30] <toma> online imap only, so  that would rule out most private users
[07:31] <el> ah, ok.... 
[07:31] <el> toma, do you have data how many recipients mails usually have in that context?
[07:32] <toma> el: no, but you are probably right, more then 5 would be rare
[07:32] <el> toma, in large companies they often have incredibly long cc lists (hehe, not the best habit imho, but well...)
[07:33] <toma> true
[07:33] <toma> maybe i can use a qsplitter, so you can resize it
[07:33] <el> jupp
[07:34] <el> toma, where exactly do you plan to put the address book then?
[07:35] <toma> maybe behind a tab on the left, like digikam has
[07:35] <el> uh, digikam not installed...
[07:38] <el> hmmm.... digikam crashes at startup :-|
[07:39] <toma> hmm
[07:39] <toma> you have a small tab like thingie on the left, and when you click on it, it expands
[07:39] <el> toma, do you know how thudnerbird does it?
[07:39] <el> toma, a bit like a docker? that's what thunderbird has
[07:39] <el> toma, quite handy
[07:39] <toma> el: a yes.
[07:40] <el> toma, yes, that's fine.
[07:40] <toma> el: ok, I'll have to go (visitors arriving any sec), thanks _a lot_ for your input. I plan to work on it this weekend...
[07:40] <el> toma, ping me > i'll be at akademy till sat evening
[07:40] <el> then monday back online in berlinb
[07:41] <toma> el: great! bye
[07:41] <el> bye - have a nice evening :)
[07:41] <toma> thnxs
[08:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: all the main uploads have just been commited to the repos
[09:24] <seaLne> oops discovered 2 ways to break ubiquity
[09:32] <seaLne> 3
[09:54] <nixternal> lets go for 4
[09:56] <ryanakca> Tonio_: ping
[10:02] <seaLne> 4
[10:02] <seaLne> altho that last one is just a bit weird
[10:07] <ryanakca> anybody feel like looking at my k-d-s? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3237      It basicly sets it so that kicker is locked by default (which gets rid of those ugly bars you have when unlocked)
[10:07] <Tm_T> ryanakca: I keep kicker locked these days
[10:08] <ryanakca> Tm_T: So do I, but so that it's locked by default
[10:08] <Tm_T> but, maybe some users doesn't understand to open the lock ;(
[10:08] <Tm_T> so default, I'm not sure
[10:08] <ryanakca> right click - > unlock panels?
[10:08] <Tm_T> ryanakca: yes, for some people that's too obvious
[10:08] <ryanakca> kk
[10:09] <ryanakca> lol
[10:09] <Tm_T> I have seen that kind of things a _lot_
[10:09] <Tm_T> I think that default locking would be good but...
[10:10] <Tm_T> I'd say give it a try ;)
[10:10] <ryanakca> If they've come from XP, it shouldn't be a problem... from mac, I'm unsure...
[10:10] <Tm_T> we'll see how people take it
[10:10] <ryanakca> yeah
[10:10] <imbrandon> yea i'd rather leave that upto Riddell , i dont see a problem with it myself but ....
[10:10] <imbrandon> we need a consinsus before uploading that
[10:11] <ryanakca> yeah
[10:12] <ryanakca> hadn't they done a study on pannels and start menus/kmenus/etc? *googles it*
[10:12] <ryanakca> it was on Planet KDE a couple of months ago
[10:12] <seaLne> 5 :(
[10:13] <seaLne> beta is fun
[10:14] <Tonio_> ryanakca: hey
[10:15] <Tonio_> ryanakca: the study is kickoff
[10:15] <Tonio_> works nice but cannot be packaged like a normal application
[10:16] <Tonio_> since it's code is a hudge patch for kdebase
[10:21] <ryanakca> Tonio_: kickoff? are you talking about that suse menu?
[10:21] <marseillai> yes
[10:21] <marseillai> he is
[10:21] <marseillai> lu Tonio_ 
[10:21] <marseillai> hi everybody
[10:22] <ryanakca> oh, and how's qcomicbook looking?
[10:23] <Tonio_> ryanakca: yeah, isn't that what you were talking about ?
[10:23] <ryanakca> Tonio_: the only reason it wasn't building, from what Riddell told me is that kde.mk required a .pot to be created, and that none could be created. Riddell has the updated one that doesn't require the generation of a .po/.pot
[10:23] <ryanakca> no.... I'll look it up for you later... 
[10:24] <Tonio_> ryanakca: talking about qcomicbook ?
[10:24] <Tonio_> ho yeah sorry ;)
[10:24] <Tonio_> yes, that's the reason of the issue, but the error was also due to incorrect packaging somehow
[10:24] <ryanakca> yeah, qcomicbook :)
[10:25] <Tonio_> it failed becasue is was build as a kde apps which it isn't ;)
[10:25] <ryanakca> eh hunh.. what was the error? and what part was in packaging?
[10:25] <Tonio_> we would have had issues in the future to maintain the package for the exact same reason
[10:25] <ryanakca> what defines a KDE app, and what defines it as NOT one..
[10:25] <Tonio_> ryanakca: kde app in an application that build deps on kdelibs4-dev
[10:26] <Tonio_> qcomicbook depends on qt, not kde libs
[10:26] <ryanakca> ah...
[10:26] <Tonio_> nope, the libs are different
[10:26] <ryanakca> ah
[10:26] <Tonio_> kde uses qt, but an adapted version
[10:26] <ryanakca> I see see :
[10:26] <Tonio_> qt dialogs for example, are different from kde apps dialog boxes etc......
[10:27] <Tonio_> ryanakca: grep the source package on edgy repos, you'll se how I built it, no kde depends, and that builds fine
[10:34] <ryanakca> kk
[10:36] <Tm_T> OT: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/5388182.stm