[12:12] THey got married and he talked her into spending the honeymoon at a KDE codefest :) [12:12] she insists it isn't a honeymoon [12:12] Riddell is in the pic as well [12:12] Ha ha :) [12:12] What's her phrasing? [12:12] Tonio_ Done :) [12:12] I look like I havn't showered for three days (which I hadn't) [12:12] nice legs Riddell! ;) [12:13] her phrasing was "It's not a honeymoon!" [12:14] Riddell: sorry, I didn't upload the good changes file for kss, you should have received a notification [12:17] Good night. Bye. [12:17] nite Kuhrscher [12:18] Riddell: hehe, cool on the photo :) [12:18] well, us KDE people can't brag that we got the secksiest hackers ;) [12:18] jdong, ktorrent uploaded [12:18] imbrandon: argh ! I already did :) [12:18] Riddell, wow rockin photo ( with the strengi ) [12:18] imbrandon: will be rejected probably [12:18] Tonio_, !! [12:19] imbrandon / Tonio_ hehe :) [12:19] imbrandon: sorry I told there I did it [12:19] jdong, did you ask two of us to do it ? [12:19] imbrandon: he asked both, and I said it was uploaded :) [12:19] imbrandon: no, Tonio_ found the bug report [12:19] heh i told him the day he gave me the patch i would upload it, welp it looks like one will get rejected [12:20] imbrandon: i didn't intentionally try to ask two of you guys to do it out of impatience... honest [12:20] how come seaLne looks like he was holding back a gut busting laugh? [12:20] imbrandon: the important thing is that the patch is uploaded :) [12:20] jdong, well i told you the day you made the patch and i checked it i would upload ;) BE PATIENT hehe [12:21] imbrandon: not a big issue if one is rejected [12:21] Tonio_, no no real biggie [12:21] Tonio_, its just the point /me glares at jdong some more hehe [12:21] imbrandon: sorry I though you were looking at the channel log hehe :) === jdong goes off to the corner to cry [12:22] jdong: yeah, 15 minutes, at least, you deserve it ! [12:22] waaaaah.... imbrandon and Tonio_ are being mean to me.... waaaaaah [12:22] Tonio_, no i dident read the log becouse it dident seem nessesary days ago when he asked ;) [12:22] [jeu sep 28 2006] [21:22:37] Tonio_ / imbrandon: ktorrent ok to upload now? btw topic should probably be updated s/knot3/beta [12:22] the channel never lies ^^ [12:22] hehe :) [12:22] okay let's go somewhere else [12:22] imbrandon: using english language on the desktop yes ? [12:23] imbrandon: I need to confirm that a python issue is due to translations... [12:23] imbrandon: possible for you to launch /var/lib/python-support/python2.4/wineconfig.py [12:24] yup it launched [12:24] imbrandon: no issue ? [12:24] i dont have wine installed but it worked [12:24] imbrandon: yeah, and what is you install wine ? [12:24] other than the .wine dir dident exist, the dialog worked === Tonio_ insists like a child :) [12:25] heh [12:25] imbrandon: yeah same here, but when wine is installed, if goes further, and by the end I get this : [12:25] I know what the next release is going to be called! [12:25] UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 11: ordinal not in range(128) [12:25] Riddell, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 [12:25] do tell ? [12:25] I suppose this is due to french translation since the character seems to be '' [12:26] Riddell: NOOOOOOOOO please don't say this ! [12:26] Tonio_, ok lemme grab a shower then i'll test better [12:26] Riddell: you cannot keep it a secret now ! === imbrandon jumps up and down like a child [12:26] I'll give you a clue... [12:26] it begins with "F" [12:26] It starts with a F [12:26] hahahahahaha [12:26] hahahaha [12:27] common !?! === Tonio_ votes for core-dev to be prompted the info in private [12:27] hehe [12:27] ^_^ [12:27] Tonio_, +1 [12:27] ;) [12:27] we'll keep the secret :) [12:27] Riddell, serouisly is he gonna announce it soon i presume [12:27] he says he's writing an e-mail to ubuntu-devel [12:28] let me guess... "F*uckin' falcon" ? [12:28] wow , rockin [12:28] hehe, that would rock :) === imbrandon hopes it wont be toooooo silly [12:29] imbrandon: don't get your hopes up too high :) [12:29] lol [12:29] Riddell: frog or falcon ? ;) [12:29] ferret [12:29] nope [12:29] Flamingo [12:29] Flaming Flamingo :) [12:29] omg not a flamingo [12:29] no no [12:30] Fuzzy-Wuzzy [12:30] "foomatic fix" the release focussing on printing :) [12:30] haha [12:30] man Riddell has me hitting "get new mail" every 10 seconds [12:30] lol [12:30] gah , and i was just about to hit the shower [12:31] ... === Tonio_ creates a rule on his webserver to forward every mail to his cellphone :) [12:31] I don't wanna miss it [12:31] haha [12:31] hrmm..my other packages didn't make it i guess ;( da freeze is in effect === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:32] imbrandon: no issues with wine installed ? [12:32] Flagelating Pheromes? [12:32] Tonio_, i havent installed it yet, i was gonna hit the shower and get some food first if thats ok [12:33] i have to do it on the lappy as i have cxoffice installed on this box and cxoffice and wine proper dont mix [12:33] /well/ [12:33] imbrandon: hehe, you do what you want :) [12:34] woohoo...i know now ;) [12:34] i can't believe they would pick that name either [12:35] wha !?! [12:35] how does nixternal know ? [12:36] It was flagellating? [12:36] Oh no it wasn't :-( [12:36] Yeah I wouldn't guess that either [12:36] stupid eft :-P === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@165.160-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:38] ... [12:38] ;) [12:41] and the name is... [12:41] The [12:41] Foofy Ferret! [12:41] i can't believe you all are hording your "Send/Receive" buttons so much right now, that this channel has gone dead [12:42] lol [12:42] Konversation doesn't have a button [12:42] if your keyboard dies you are SOL [12:42] im just hitting "ctrl+r" on ff and the list ;) [12:47] Damn it I'm going to have to go home [12:48] we will let you know when you get home [12:48] don't worry...it is all a hoax anyways ;) === DaSkreech puts fingers in ears and signs muwahananananananana === nixternal is leaving "rumor" names everywhere...and quit messaging, i really don't know what it is ;) === imbrandon [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@216.220.229.136] has joined #kubuntu-devel === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:35] Riddellllllllllllllllllllllllllllll still no email hehehehehe === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:47] imbrandon: I can't even remember what it is now, it probably wasn't that interesting :) [01:47] this is fun http://www.debianadmin.com/kubuntu-606-lts-installation-with-screenshots.html [01:49] haha nice [01:50] Riddell: digikam main inclusion report is still unreviewed..... [01:50] Tonio_: canonical got a new security dude today, maybe pitti will have some spare time [01:51] Riddell: yeah I know is has tremendous amount of work, but is there another person that i can ping instead ? [01:51] Tonio_: no, only pitti does the reviews [01:51] Riddell: okay, let's try again :) [02:13] Riddell: cdbs fixed? and how do I get qcomicbook to rebuild now? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/qcomicbook [02:16] ryanakca: having a look.... [02:23] ryanakca: I'll upload cdbs in a bit, was waiting for beta to be over === jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-75-16-148-65.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:25] Riddell: kk [02:26] is beta over? === ryanakca has some things to add to k-d-s... [02:27] ryanakca: it'll not build in it's current state...... [02:27] there is no admin folder in the tarball [02:27] Tonio_: ??? [02:27] ryanakca: that's it...... [02:27] I'm investigating [02:28] yes, that's a problem with CDBS that Riddell has fixed and is waiting to upload :) [02:28] ryanakca: doesn't build here actually... [02:28] ryanakca: yeah okay === ryanakca points at the cdbs problem [02:28] :) [02:28] ryanakca: the problem is more than it is not a kde application, but a qt app [02:29] doesn't build-dep on kdelibs4-dev and we shouldn't use kde.mk cdbs rules [02:29] ah [02:29] ryanakca: need to redo the packaging completly I think [02:29] so, where will it get QT? [02:29] ryanakca: libgt3-mt ;) [02:29] well, not completly... [02:29] just edit rules and control [02:29] ryanakca: let me test, a moment :) === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:32] ryanakca: rebuilding control and rules, is almost all the packaging :) the rest is just administrative stuff :) [02:32] lol [02:33] I don't understand how could this have been uploaded [02:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth needs to be updated... it talks about what color dapper will be, and if dapper will meet the June 2006 release... [02:33] did that ever build ? [02:33] did what? qcomicbook? [02:33] yes, perfectly... [02:34] Rid'dell built it, I built it, imbra'ndon built it. [02:34] ryanakca: that's a nonsense :) [02:34] or at least the packaging was different, that's obvious [02:34] s/built/pbuilt [02:34] ryanakca: ........ weird [02:34] hmm... very [02:35] in any case we should upgrade to latest version which requires uvf exception report [02:35] ??? [02:35] lost me there... english please :) [02:36] ryanakca: universe branch is frozen now for new upstream version [02:36] so we need to prepare package and write a report [02:37] ryanakca: the strange point is I don't understand how could that have build with kde.mk cdbs rules...... that absolutly impossible..... === ryanakca offers to unbzip2 and untar his backups from last week's fresh install (at long last) and send you a .deb of it... [02:42] the packaging is really to re-do [02:42] no man page..... [02:42] okay let's go, I'm doing it [02:43] ??? === ryanakca can make a man page in a flash... kdemangen.pl === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-44-37.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca dgetted the source... how do I extract it again? [02:46] Tonio_: ?? [02:47] ryanakca: forget this, there is one but it is hidden :) [02:47] lol, so there is a man page? [02:47] dpkg-source -x file.dsc [02:47] I don't understand this application's structure...... [02:47] icons in "fedora" folder...... that's crappy [02:47] ryanakca: yes there is one [02:48] imbrandon: thanks [02:48] honnestly, that's very weird...... [02:48] yes *remembers adding stuff to rules about the fedora dir* [02:48] imbrandon: did that ever built for you ? [02:48] very... [02:48] Tonio_, yes me and Riddell both built and reviewed it [02:49] imbrandon: how can a pure QT app build with kde.mk cdbs rules ? :) [02:49] imbrandon: there is something I'd like to be teached there :) [02:49] imbrandon: that's not a kde app :) [02:49] tbh i havent looked at it in weeks, i would have to go back and look [02:50] imbrandon: well I'm redoing the packaging as a normal qt application [02:50] should be resolved tomorrow [02:51] okies, just work with ryanakca on it so he can learn ;) that was his baby [02:51] it is :) === ryanakca needs to learn... *keeps the goal of becoming a motu in mind*... even though it'll take a couple of decades before that happenes... [02:51] ;) [02:52] imbrandon: when is beta freeze over? sometime today, I know that... [02:52] ryanakca: should be over now [02:52] should be over now but the queue still seems in manual mode [02:53] ryanakca: in fact I'll continue to use cdbs but with makefile.mk instead of kde.mk [02:53] kk, so any changes to k-d-s should be up, and then I can redownload it and add my changes? [02:53] ermm... [02:53] Riddell, the backports for amarok and konversation got processed today and now are upto par with edgy [02:53] Riddell: yeah, but in fact the issue is due to packaging too :) [02:53] imbrandon: (well, kamion and infinity deserve a bit of a break...) === ryanakca wonders about you setting something up so that I know what your doing to my baby... [02:53] crimsun, definately , i was just noteing it ;) [02:54] imbrandon: rock, please add to UWM [02:54] UWN [02:55] cool ok [02:56] also libmtp is out of the NEW queue too si i can test amarok with it and poke pitti about the MIR tomarrow^Wlater today [02:56] Tonio_: mind explaining what your doing so that I can do it on this side as well? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:58] ryanakca: I'm simply rebuilding a rule file using makefile.mk instead of kde.mk, and changing control file for correct builddeps [02:58] ryanakca: I'm not very used at packaging qt apps, so I have to make a few tests to be sure it is okay ;) === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:59] [19:58] ryanakca: I'm simply rebuilding a rule file using makefile.mk instead of kde.mk, and changing control file for correct builddeps [02:59] [19:58] ryanakca: I'm not very used at packaging qt apps, so I have to make a few tests to be sure it is okay ;) [02:59] imbrandon: thanks :) [03:01] ah, kk, ty === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.151.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.221.154.100] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-144-142-229.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefre2k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-44-130.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:21] Tonio_: I'm heading to bed, lemme know how it goes in the morning/tommorow afternoon === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.221.154.100] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.229.29] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-75-16-148-65.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:00] "I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather...Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car...." === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.153.16] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:02] nixternal, thats just ..... wrong [04:02] haha [04:02] funny but wrong :) [04:03] i almost spit dr. pepper out on that one [04:03] i see beta is out, congrats guys [04:03] in otherwords, i almost sinned [04:07] nixternal, whats the url to woth UWN work in progress page ? [04:07] i have a few things to stick in there [04:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter [04:08] thanks [04:08] yp [04:08] hypfda [04:08] ya that === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.221.144.118] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:15] morning all [04:15] morning Hobbsee [04:16] heya Hobbsee [04:16] jjesse: :) [04:16] hey imbrandon [04:16] how are you Hobbsee? === Hobbsee found out today what happens if you ignore a whiteout - you blackout :P [04:16] sorry haven't been on much, i'm working at a client until christmas that blocks IRC [04:16] jjesse: ahhh...fair enough [04:17] so i follow up when i can:) [04:17] fair enough === el [n=konversa@82.141.206.174] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt__ [n=jack@221.221.146.198] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.156.57] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:34] nice [04:34] Hobbsee are you on the -art ML ? === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.221.163.213] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:35] From: Mark Shuttleworth [04:36] To: Kenneth Wimer , Ubuntu Art Team [04:36] CC: Jonathan Riddell [04:36] [04:36] ...just upgrade to Edgy on my Kubuntu desktop. It's.... wow. A thing of [04:36] great beauty. Well done Ken. [04:36] Mark [04:36] now thats just rockin [04:36] imbrandon: qcomicbook uploaded [04:37] cool [04:37] I had hard time trying to play with makefile.mk [04:37] it failed for some strange reason I don't know.... [04:37] honnestly, qcomicbook sources are strange........ [04:37] finaly I did manually just using debhelper.mk and that was fine [04:38] hehe [04:38] I'll make a point tomorrow with ryanakca [04:40] cool , thanks Tonio_ he is really trying to learn and that was his first package [04:41] imbrandon: and not the easiest, since the sources are really crappy [04:42] desktop file in a "fedora" folder, not installed via makefiles etc....... [04:45] imbrandon: no i'm not [04:45] nice! [04:45] yea that was just sent moments ago [04:45] i dident thionk you were [04:45] think* [04:46] Riddell and kwwii will be happy also i'm sure ;) [04:47] ugh i hate uvfe's i missed it by one day [04:47] bbiab to finish this uvf report [04:59] I think kwwii can be proud of him :) === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.156.57] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.221.161.27] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.158.160] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon is listening to "Here Without You" by 3 Doors Down on Away From The Sun [Amarok] === jack_wyt__ [n=jack@221.221.154.58] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:47] hey guys, i was just wondering if anyone would be willing to throw up a quick qt frontend for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream . the gtk one is already written, but it's been really hard nailing down a py-qt guy. === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.221.163.159] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:39] my screen colors are so bad..i can't tell what color my webpage is...i have 2 machines, and each display the same page in different colors..i so wish my display config worked in kubuntu ;) [07:41] nixternal, fixit kthxbye [07:41] omg i will kill you [07:41] ;) [07:41] dude, you goin' to cali? [07:41] hopefully, i'll find out on the second === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.221.165.210] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:42] i have 3 out of 5 instructors giving me mid-term week off, and letting me finish them either before or after....the other 2 are jerks [07:42] i told them it is business, and they both said the same thing, " you should have taken that into account before starting college" [07:43] i purchased a ticket, and i am staying at a (girl)friends house [07:43] if i go [07:43] actually, i used frequent flyer miles, so i didn't purchase anything [07:43] and it is refundable just in case [07:43] heh [07:44] i can't afford a hotel, but this girl lives 3 or 4 miles from the plex [07:44] cutiecoder ? [07:44] bwhahaha [07:44] dude..you want to die for real i think ;) [07:44] don't make me start with the "rumors" [07:44] ;) [07:45] i couldn't imagine being in the vacinity of that chick...i would kill myself === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt__ [n=jack@221.221.158.160] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.221.159.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-131-064.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.221.158.160] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt__ [n=jack@221.221.162.78] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@165.160-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:30] Riddell: ping === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.229.29] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rideout [n=rideout@71-208-29-158.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.221.161.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUro [n=GNUro@host250-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:26] hi1 [10:26] Hi! === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:29] i think that i've find a bug.. systemsettings>Monitor&Display>Power Saving> switch off monitor are resetted everytime you reboot the machine. Anyone can confirm? [10:31] Someone.. :P [10:33] there's already a bug in power saving somewhere, iirc. [10:33] check in the source package kde-guidance on malone === rouzic_ausente [n=rouzic@82.Red-83-39-21.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.155.61] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oofus [n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@193.1.233.178] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@193.1.233.13] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@94.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:03] I see freespire have bought an advert against "kubuntu" on google [01:03] Tonio_: heya. did the new knm get approved? [01:04] hmmm... "What is Ubuntu Missing?" comes against ubuntu too [01:04] Hobbsee not yet, I'm waiting for mdz [01:04] hi everyone :) [01:05] hi Tonio_ :) [01:05] and Hobbsee and Riddell :) [01:05] heya abattoir [01:06] "Is Ubuntu Special" seems to be the other ad === Ingmar [n=ingmar@181.203-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oofus [n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:15] Riddell: hum, main looks like still locked... only my universe uploads have gone in so far [01:22] I'm not sure who the best person to ask about that is [01:22] probably tollef or kamion at this time of day === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-229-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:27] Tonio_: see #u-d === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:34] hello everyone [01:35] Riddell: okay thanks :) [01:38] Riddell: do you remember when I was talking about the langpacks that were 50% in Czech and 50% English? And you advised me to wait with it until beta? [01:38] yes === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [01:39] mhb: same problem with french, it is now resolved... [01:39] mhb: doesn't work for you ? [01:39] Riddell: well, you were right, 90% got solved, but there are two apps that didn't [01:40] sadly, they are used quite often - Adept (family) and Systemsettings [01:40] mhb: I could have bet it :) [01:40] mhb: concerning adept, that's known issue [01:41] mhb: concerning systemsettings, should work (at least works here) [01:42] mhb: is it translated on rosetta ? [01:42] 100% (by myself) [01:42] both of them [01:43] mhb: hum... I must say I'm not an expert reguarding to those translations problem... Riddell might have the key [01:43] adept is to do with not loading translations from libept [01:44] systemsettings I'm not sure, might be the modules not loading or might be the .desktop files not being translated [01:45] Riddell: well, I translated the systemsettings-desktop, too [01:46] Riddell: concerning adept, is there a bug in LP (Tonio_ said it is well-known)? [01:49] it's probably this one [01:49] Riddell: the point is systemsettings works here, so we can exclude modules loading [01:49] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/47181 [01:49] Malone bug 47181 in ept "broken localisation support" [Medium,Confirmed] [01:49] mhb: when did you ? [01:50] Riddell: I fixed ryanakca's qcomicbook package.... I'll make a point with him on what were the issues [01:50] Tonio_: when did I translated it? A week or so ago. [01:50] (have I) [01:50] mhb: that's normal then, translations package need to be rebuilt [01:50] mhb: last sync was about 10 days ago afaicr [01:51] mhb: that will hopefully happen before RC [01:52] Tonio_: any way I can check it before the sync? Use the .mo export function from Rosetta? [01:52] mhb: yup, you can do that way [01:53] ryanakca: ping me when you are there, would be nice to make a point of the changes I did to the package [01:53] ryanakca: the goos news is that it is in universe and builds now [02:17] hmmm... I updated the .mo file with the one from Rosetta, but somehow the systemsettings package still doesn't use the translations from it === GNUro [n=GNUro@host250-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:20] hi [02:26] GNUro: hi [02:27] mhb: :) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:31] Howdy === jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-75-16-148-65.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@193.1.233.13] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-229-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === froud [n=froud@dsl-145-39-98.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Kuhrscher [n=jannick@88.134.177.107] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@94.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpna045.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@193.1.233.13] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl_ [n=michael@dslb-084-057-229-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:03] Hi! Where do iso's usually appear first? For me http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/edgy/ still only contains knot-3. [05:06] cmvo: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/edgy-beta.php [05:07] cmvo: beta, and rc and final are released to releases.ubuntu.com [05:07] cmvo: knots/arrays/dailies are on cdimage [05:08] abattoir: Thanks, looking in the wrong place :-) [05:09] cmvo: no problem at all :) [05:09] jdong: Thank you too! Didn't know about releases.ubuntu.com [05:09] Now for the download :-) [05:09] he is busy fighting w/ his computer ;) [05:11] :) === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Kuhrscher [n=jannick@91.64.0.86] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:45] well, the bug 47181 is getting on my nerve :oI [05:45] Malone bug 47181 in ept "broken localisation support" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/47181 [05:46] anyone tried to fix it? It's currently assigned to nobody ... [05:50] mhb: adept's developper, mornfall, should be looking at it [05:51] Tonio_ I asked him about it some days ago, but I did not have the impression he will fix it... === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:53] Kuhrscher: ah... [05:53] Kuhrscher: it's the same pain in the neck for you, I guess :o) [05:53] mhb: Yes... === mhb is so frustrated he considers fixing it === Parkotron [n=parker@dyn129-100-97-91.bc.uwo.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:02] Kuhrscher: does mornfall come here sometimes or should I contact him by e-mail? === Ingmar [n=ingmar@vpna209.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:03] mhb: He comes here from time to time [06:03] !seen mornfall [06:03] mornfall is on IRC right now! [06:03] Hah, just not in this channel [06:04] Hawkwind: thanks [06:05] Hawkwind: hm... he's away [06:05] Yep [06:06] mhb: I talked to him via IRC === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@193.1.232.192] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir wonders why the dot has become a place for "kubuntu bashing" [06:20] but i guess its best to avoid those individuals... [06:20] (or corporations) [06:21] KUBUNTU SUCKS :D [06:21] lol [06:21] jdong: really? [06:22] jpatrick: LINSPIRE FOREVER [06:22] hehe, lol :D [06:22] abattoir: simply not read user comments on general news items... === jdong is , ironically, using GNOME at the moment..... [06:22] toma: sometimes the feedback is useful or helpful [06:23] but i guess we really should ignore stuff like this [06:23] or rather I ;) [06:23] abattoir: comments on the dot are seldom interesting [06:25] abattoir: "And you are idiotware." -- nice [06:25] jpatrick: yes :D [06:25] i guess it was offtopic for me to get it in here ;) [06:25] sorry [06:26] pfff, nothing important ever happens in #kubuntu-devel [06:28] Riddell, Tonio_ : it looks like the systemsettings simply ignores the desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo translations [06:28] at least here === pascalFR [i=h9XgSeo9@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:36] mhb: I fear there are some more problems like this... [06:36] mhb: hwdb-client-kde ignores the installed translation too === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-225-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:37] notranslationware [06:38] hwdb-client? [06:39] Kuhrscher: ignore me [06:40] toma: Ok ;-) [06:42] Kuhrscher: yeah, I think it's the same in Czech [06:42] Kuhrscher: already filed a bug? [06:42] mhb: yes [06:43] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62866 [06:43] Malone bug 62866 in hwdb-client "Translation broken in Kubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === el [n=konversa@193.1.233.178] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:52] Kuhrscher: I'll look at it and possibly confirm it later, thanks for the link [06:53] bbl === marseillai_ [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-153-80.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:04] el: i'm developing a new mailclient and posted a mockup for the composer, if you have time, I would appreciate to know your opinion very much. [07:06] Toma, hi [07:06] toma, you posted it in your blog? [07:06] el: hi, yes. [07:06] toma, on planetkde? mom, have a look... [07:12] toma, in your mockup, the address area takes a lot of space. but most of the mails which are sent go to a small number of recipients only [07:12] so it takes quite a lot of space. [07:13] el: i figured most people do not compose mails fullscreen, so the space is available for other things [07:14] toma, hm... they don't use it full screen, but that's not a reason to make the window larger than it needs to be. the smaller the composer, the easier to use other windows for reference [07:14] el: one of the comments suggested to use a pulldown for to,cc,bcc instead of three columns with checkboxes [07:14] toma, also, the strict separation of custom email and address book is difficult. you have to think if you want to add an email address or know a name. or do you plan completion for the above line edit? [07:15] el: yes, i can merge them to one line edit: search in addressbook and an add button behind it for the case it is not in the address book [07:16] toma, i agree for the pulldown. [07:16] okay [07:17] toma, when you merge them in one line edit > where do you show the results from the address book? still in the bottom panel or in a minicli completion? [07:17] el: what would you recommend? I'm not sure how users think of the autocompletion [07:18] el: the one I asked all relied on autocompletion though [07:18] toma, i think autocompletion in the line edit works pretty well. we did some tests with the kmail composer (i think 2 years ago) [07:18] toma, and people expected auto completion [07:19] el: but i know windows users who call us when there addressbook is gone in outlooks composer [07:19] toma, if you list the addresses in the panel on bottom, users have a very long way from entering the name to actually selecting the recipient [07:19] hmm, ok. autocompletion saves a lot of room... [07:19] toma, yeah, you should still provide access to the address book. people not only search for names, but also by company, position, etc. [07:20] toma, you still use kaddressbook? [07:20] el: no ;-) [07:21] toma, so you got your own addressbook? or another one? [07:21] el: fo this emailclient you mean? [07:21] toma, yes, for this email client [07:22] el: o ok, I will use kaddressbook for that, yes [07:23] but i don't want all kinds off popup's, so I rather inteegrate it in the composer [07:23] toma, the cases where users actually need to go into the address book to search are a rather small proportion. so if you go for name/email completion in the composer, and provide a picker with (a bit) more advanced search facilities, that should be fine [07:23] toma, but you shouldn't integrate something in the main window which is only used in 5% of the cases (if at all) [07:24] el: ok, I'll make it a collapsable part of the composer [07:24] toma, that sounds better. [07:25] but that means the section with to/cc/bcc has to move above the subject part again [07:25] toma, yes, i think that's better. [07:26] hm, hm [07:26] toma, then the widgets have more width, so you can display the full name and email address without ... [07:27] toma, the items in the list are still editable, no? [07:27] should be [07:27] fine :) [07:28] but it's going to look a lot like kmails composer. [07:28] toma, it's going to look a lot like every email client ;-) [07:29] when there a lot of receipients you need to scroll etc [07:29] i'm not happy with that [07:30] toma, yes, i know. but having it to the left means that you'll mostly see only half of the names. and you really waste space when you have only 1 or 2 recipients [07:30] toma, who is that mail client for? company usage, private or all? [07:30] online imap only, so that would rule out most private users [07:31] ah, ok.... [07:31] toma, do you have data how many recipients mails usually have in that context? [07:32] el: no, but you are probably right, more then 5 would be rare [07:32] toma, in large companies they often have incredibly long cc lists (hehe, not the best habit imho, but well...) [07:33] true [07:33] maybe i can use a qsplitter, so you can resize it [07:33] jupp [07:34] toma, where exactly do you plan to put the address book then? [07:35] maybe behind a tab on the left, like digikam has === el starts digikam... [07:35] uh, digikam not installed... === el installs digikam [07:38] hmmm.... digikam crashes at startup :-| [07:39] hmm [07:39] you have a small tab like thingie on the left, and when you click on it, it expands [07:39] toma, do you know how thudnerbird does it? [07:39] toma, a bit like a docker? that's what thunderbird has [07:39] toma, quite handy [07:39] el: a yes. [07:40] toma, yes, that's fine. [07:40] el: ok, I'll have to go (visitors arriving any sec), thanks _a lot_ for your input. I plan to work on it this weekend... [07:40] toma, ping me > i'll be at akademy till sat evening [07:40] then monday back online in berlinb [07:41] el: great! bye [07:41] bye - have a nice evening :) [07:41] thnxs === beligum [n=beligum@d54C49278.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === beligum [n=beligum@d54C49278.access.telenet.be] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [08:02] Riddell: all the main uploads have just been commited to the repos === marseillai_ is now known as marseillai === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@d51A480D5.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@216.220.229.136] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:24] oops discovered 2 ways to break ubiquity [09:32] 3 [09:54] lets go for 4 [09:56] Tonio_: ping === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:02] 4 [10:02] altho that last one is just a bit weird [10:07] anybody feel like looking at my k-d-s? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3237 It basicly sets it so that kicker is locked by default (which gets rid of those ugly bars you have when unlocked) [10:07] ryanakca: I keep kicker locked these days [10:08] Tm_T: So do I, but so that it's locked by default [10:08] but, maybe some users doesn't understand to open the lock ;( [10:08] so default, I'm not sure [10:08] right click - > unlock panels? [10:08] ryanakca: yes, for some people that's too obvious [10:08] kk [10:09] lol [10:09] I have seen that kind of things a _lot_ [10:09] I think that default locking would be good but... [10:10] I'd say give it a try ;) [10:10] If they've come from XP, it shouldn't be a problem... from mac, I'm unsure... [10:10] we'll see how people take it [10:10] yeah [10:10] yea i'd rather leave that upto Riddell , i dont see a problem with it myself but .... [10:10] we need a consinsus before uploading that [10:11] yeah [10:12] hadn't they done a study on pannels and start menus/kmenus/etc? *googles it* [10:12] it was on Planet KDE a couple of months ago [10:12] 5 :( [10:13] beta is fun [10:14] ryanakca: hey === Tm_T hides [10:15] ryanakca: the study is kickoff [10:15] works nice but cannot be packaged like a normal application [10:16] since it's code is a hudge patch for kdebase [10:21] Tonio_: kickoff? are you talking about that suse menu? [10:21] yes [10:21] he is [10:21] lu Tonio_ [10:21] hi everybody === ryanakca is talking about some thesis or something of the sort... unless they're one and the same... [10:22] oh, and how's qcomicbook looking? [10:23] ryanakca: yeah, isn't that what you were talking about ? [10:23] Tonio_: the only reason it wasn't building, from what Riddell told me is that kde.mk required a .pot to be created, and that none could be created. Riddell has the updated one that doesn't require the generation of a .po/.pot [10:23] no.... I'll look it up for you later... [10:24] ryanakca: talking about qcomicbook ? [10:24] ho yeah sorry ;) [10:24] yes, that's the reason of the issue, but the error was also due to incorrect packaging somehow [10:24] yeah, qcomicbook :) [10:25] it failed becasue is was build as a kde apps which it isn't ;) [10:25] eh hunh.. what was the error? and what part was in packaging? [10:25] we would have had issues in the future to maintain the package for the exact same reason [10:25] what defines a KDE app, and what defines it as NOT one.. [10:25] ryanakca: kde app in an application that build deps on kdelibs4-dev === ryanakca considered C++ and Qt = KDE [10:26] qcomicbook depends on qt, not kde libs [10:26] ah... [10:26] nope, the libs are different [10:26] ah [10:26] kde uses qt, but an adapted version [10:26] I see see : [10:26] qt dialogs for example, are different from kde apps dialog boxes etc...... [10:27] ryanakca: grep the source package on edgy repos, you'll se how I built it, no kde depends, and that builds fine [10:34] kk [10:36] OT: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/5388182.stm === ryanakca_ [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUro [n=GNUro@host250-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUro [n=GNUro@host250-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rouzic [n=rouzic@82.Red-83-39-21.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUro [n=GNUro@host250-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-235-173.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel