[12:11] <DShepherd> i just cant use it.. do you know how to configure a psuedo printer via commandline.. I have zero experience with setting up printers via the commandline
[12:11] <ypsila> god morning
[12:12] <ypsila> +o
[12:12] <pielgrzym> something happened to my system - some programs simply don't use the config stored in my home folder - skype for example
[12:12] <pielgrzym> help :( please :(
[12:13] <ypsila> pielgrzym: what did you do the last?
[12:13] <DaSkreech> Umm cups.org I guess
[12:13] <DaSkreech>  How is it KDE specific?
[12:13] <pielgrzym> I launched my ubu with a ususal k7 kernel (I use the distro source compiled one)
[12:13] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: good question.. not sure if it is
[12:14] <pielgrzym> ypsila: the config files are there, but I don't know why skype doesn't use them. the same goes for polisz IM Kadu :(((
[12:15] <ypsila> pielgrzym: before date "x" everything worked as it should?
[12:15] <pielgrzym> yeah, before 5 minutes ago
[12:16] <pielgrzym> and after booting with k7 kernel everything is ok, apart from IM (Kadu and skype) which were launched but act like they were launched 4 the firs time :(
[12:18] <ypsila> pielgrzym: kernel updates are known for such effects, sorry but I cannot really help you
[12:18] <pielgrzym> ypsila: this was no update :) I have 2 kernels - custom and a distro one for emergency
[12:18] <pielgrzym> I launched the ditro one and the two apps suck ;(
[12:19] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: what exactly should i be looking for at cups.org?
[12:19] <ypsila> pielgrzym: sorry, but I'm not really a help in your case
[12:20] <pielgrzym> ypsila: thanks anyway :)
[12:20] <ypsila> pielgrzym: skype is special :-)
[12:21] <pielgrzym> ypsila: I know
[12:21] <pielgrzym> ;)
[12:21] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: They are the command line printer people
[12:22] <GameOver69> hey guys im always getting this problem when i install problems.... any ideas on how to fix this? http://pastebin.com/796420
[12:22] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: ?
[12:22] <DaSkreech> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=240282
[12:22] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: I am supposed to be looking for the commandline printer people?
[12:22] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: is that link for me?
[12:23] <DaSkreech> Yup
[12:24] <GameOver69> anyone?
[12:24] <dimsuz> hi! anyone already tried upstart? how fast is it?
[12:24] <mat666> allora?
[12:25] <mat666> ah ok
[12:28] <mat666> how does it work?
[12:30] <Slynderdale> Hmm, which is better at installing WINE, apt-get or apitude?
[12:30] <LjL> Slynderdale: there is nothing special about Wine
[12:30] <LjL> !aptitude
[12:30] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[12:31] <LjL> Slynderdale: in general, aptitude is handy when you need to uninstall things. but for it to actually be handy in those instances, things have to have been installed with aptitude...
[12:31] <Slynderdale> LjL: Alright, I'm still a bit new to Ubuntu and LInux for that matter. :)
[12:32] <LjL> Slynderdale: *i* personally just use aptitude all the time. i know that some other people disagree though, since they believe aptitude has some bugs
[12:32] <LjL> Slynderdale: for me, though, the handiness of having dependencies automatically removed when i remove the dependant package is a godsend
[12:33] <LjL> Slynderdale: note that you don't have to use the (rather clunky, IMHO) interface of aptitude... you can just use it almost like apt-get, i.e. "sudo aptitude install ...", "sudo aptitude remove ..."
[12:34] <ypsila>  ok, good night
[12:34] <Slynderdale> Oh, thats what I tend to use anyways. I use the terminal to install and remove most things.
[12:34] <ypsila> watching tv
[12:34] <ypsila> and away
[12:35] <Slynderdale> Hmm, is it possible to access a WIndows NTFS partition?
[12:35] <angasule> can anyone recommend me a good sound editor, for sound effect work?
[12:35] <angasule> Slynderdale: yes, but read only, write access only half-works, I believe
[12:36] <angasule> Slynderdale: I like to keep a FAT partition around to exchange files on dual booting machines
[12:36] <Slynderdale> Hmm, is FAT32 good?
[12:37] <phoenixx> does anyone know of a repository of binary packages I can use?  Preferably ones that are "vanilla" if you know what I mean
[12:37] <islam_> As Salaam e laikum (meaning: May Peace b on u) . http://www.submission.org/ ... Your source for Islam (submission) on the internet.
[12:37] <lupine_85> define good
[12:37] <islam_> [112:0]  In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
[12:37] <islam_> [112:1]  Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD.
[12:37] <islam_> [112:2]  "The Absolute GOD.
[12:37] <islam_> [112:3]  "Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten.
[12:37] <lupine_85> define vanilla
[12:37] <islam_> [112:4]  "None equals Him."
[12:37] <islam_> http://download.al-islaam.com/audiovideo/anasheedram/al-islaam/html/samtan/lastbreath.swf
[12:38] <lupine_85> define "I ate allah's arsehole"
[12:38] <angasule> Slynderdale: no, but everything reads and writes FAT :)
[12:38] <angasule> !repository
[12:38] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:38] <lupine_85> erm, sorry about the crudity
[12:38] <lupine_85> bad day so far
[12:39] <oswal> hello, i need help :(
[12:39] <lupine_85> tell me about it
[12:39] <lupine_85> what's up?
[12:39] <Spaceb> i want to install nvidia drivers
[12:39] <Spaceb> in kubuntu
[12:39] <Spaceb> but i keep getting this error
[12:39] <Slynderdale> Hmm, does anyone here happen to know how to install Internet Explorer with Kunbunto and WIne? No, I don't plan on ever using it, I hate IE personally and stick with something like Firefox instead. THough several programs require it.
[12:39] <lupine_85> the beta ones?
[12:39] <Spaceb> Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[12:40] <lupine_85> yeah, that's fine. don't worry about it
[12:40] <lupine_85> are you using the nvidia installer?
[12:40] <Spaceb> no
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> Spaceb: Do the md5sum thing it suggests
[12:40] <phoenixx> angasule: are those packages that are merely compiled source code?  or are they source code applied with patches and then compiled?
[12:40] <lupine_85> so just the linux-restricted-modules package?
[12:40] <lupine_85> (and nvidia-glx)
[12:40] <angasule> phoenixx: uh?
[12:40] <Spaceb> i downloaded the nvidia-glx
[12:40] <lupine_85> using apt-get ?
[12:40] <Spaceb> from the adept
[12:41] <lupine_85> ok,. that's fine
[12:41] <Spaceb> in console i wrote sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:41] <lupine_85> ah
[12:41] <phoenixx> angasule: the repository link you gave, was that not directed at me?
[12:41] <Spaceb> and i got that error
[12:41] <lupine_85> not a problem then - you can just edit the file manually
[12:41] <lupine_85> run kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:41] <angasule> phoenixx: oh, yeah, I just invoked the help bot :)
[12:42] <Spaceb> and then?
[12:42] <lupine_85> You want to scroll down until you see a line reading Section "Device"
[12:42] <angasule> phoenixx: ubuntu is based on debian, which uses binary packages usually, you can download source packages if you want
[12:42] <Spaceb> found it
[12:43] <phoenixx> angasule: so I see, but I am wanting to know if there are like, debian patches or ubuntu patches on those packages or not
[12:43] <lupine_85> It's got a line just under that saying Driver "<something>"
[12:43] <lupine_85> probablt Driver "nv" or Driver "vesa"
[12:43] <Spaceb> driver vesa
[12:43] <lupine_85> change it to Driver "nvidia"
[12:44] <Spaceb> then?
[12:44] <angasule> phoenixx: some are patched, yes, for specifics, you'd have to check on the package
[12:44] <lupine_85> save it, exit all applications and restart X (ctrl+alt+backspace). Have a backup plan (e.g. make sure irssi is installed, and you know how to use it) in case X doersn't restyart
[12:44] <phoenixx> angasule: do you know of a place I can get binaries that did not have patches applied at compilation?
[12:45] <Spaceb> i dont know hot to use irssi
[12:45] <Spaceb> how to use irssi
[12:45] <lupine_85> 1. type "irssi" in the command line
[12:45] <lupine_85> 2. in the box that shows up type "/server irc.freenode.net"
[12:45] <lupine_85> 3. once it's connected, type "/join #kubuntu"
[12:45] <angasule> phoenixx: no, but why would you want that? are you talking about a specific package?
[12:45] <lupine_85> that's just a backup, though
[12:46] <lupine_85> it "should" work by defauly
[12:46] <lupine_85> and the worst-case scenario is you edit xorg.conf to change nvidia back to vesa, and boot back into X
[12:46] <lupine_85> it's just always good to be prepared :)
[12:47] <phoenixx> angasule: well, mainly I need gcc and such with no patches applied to them
[12:47] <Spaceb> ok will try now
[12:48] <angasule> phoenixx: hmm, that could be a problem, I guess, of course, you can always download those packages and compile them yourself, but why do you need that, if you don't mind me asking?
[12:48] <lupine_85> phoenixx: apt-get source <package>
[12:48] <lupine_85> delete all the files in debian/patches
[12:48] <lupine_85> et voila, one non-patched package source that may or may not work
[12:49] <lupine_85> (dpkg-build -rfakeroot in the base dir to get a .deb file)
[12:51] <octan> http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&t=k&q=Germany&ie=UTF8&z=18&ll=48.857699,10.205451&spn=0.002404,0.006738&om=1
[12:51] <octan> 50 meter bug
[12:52] <CaptainMorgan> anyone know if Eclipse runs on KDE?
[12:52] <angasule> CaptainMorgan: yeap, sure, runs just fine
[12:52] <lupine_85> !eclipse
[12:52] <ubotu> eclipse: Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1.2-1ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 100 kB, installed size 368 kB
[12:52] <CaptainMorgan> thanks, but I don't see it listed in Adept
[12:52] <phoenixx> angasule: well, I am building a "vanilla" system for my own interest, however I want to build the system with no patchsets from other distros, just an experiment really
[12:53] <Skrot> !java
[12:53] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[12:53] <oswal> it worked
[12:53] <lupine_85> .........universe.............
[12:53] <Spaceb> it worked lupine
[12:53] <angasule> phoenixx: are you familiar with Linux From Scratch?
[12:53] <Spaceb> thank you
[12:53] <lupine_85> cool :)
[12:53] <Slynderdale> CAptain, try sudo aptitude install eclipe   at the terminal
[12:53] <phoenixx> angasule: meaning building it from scratch or is there some project by the name of that?
[12:54] <lupine_85> !LFS
[12:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about LFS - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:54] <Spaceb> is there a emule like client for kubuntu?
[12:54] <angasule> phoenixx: yeah, that's why I used uppercase :) google it, I think it's what you're looking for
[12:54] <lupine_85> pah
[12:54] <lupine_85> it's a metadistribution
[12:54] <Slynderdale> Spaceb: Yeap, aMule
[12:54] <angasule> !emule
[12:54] <Slynderdale> And many others
[12:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emule - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:54] <Slynderdale> !amule
[12:54] <ubotu> amule: aNOTHER eMule P2P Client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.0-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 1173 kB, installed size 3212 kB
[12:54] <lupine_85> *Gentoo* users consider it to be hardcore
[12:55] <angasule> lupine_85: bah, those ricers... ;) if you follow the instructions you should be ok, I tried it once, but got bored near the end
[12:55] <phoenixx> lupine_85 they consider what to be hardcore?
[12:55] <angasule> plus, having a single system with a small HDD, it's a bit hard to test distros
[12:55] <angasule> phoenixx: LFS, I assume
[12:56] <CaptainMorgan> thanks Slynderdale
[12:56] <angasule> gentoo is very automated, btw (I moved from gentoo to kubuntu)
[12:56] <sonic> Hi, can anyone tell me how I can add a program to the PATH?
[12:56] <phoenixx> angasule: I've used Gentoo, it's nice but really lacks autodetection.  Plus I really dont like some of their devs, they tend to be a little on the mean side
[12:56] <lupine_85> linux from scratch(LFS)
[12:57] <lupine_85> Gentoo was originally an LFS distro
[12:57] <lupine_85> then they simplified it a great deal to what it is today
[12:57] <angasule> phoenixx: they're nuts :D but the community is *very* helpful
[12:57] <lupine_85> portage++
[12:57] <phoenixx> angasule: amen to that
[12:58] <phoenixx> angasule: is LFS basically the way most distros start?
[12:58] <angasule> anyway, I like to mess with my systems, and gentoo's installation is a pain (without need), kubuntu is pretty nice out of the box, heck, my parents are using kubuntu as their main OS these days
[12:58] <angasule> phoenixx: not these days, but way back then, yeah
[12:59] <phoenixx> angasule, how would it be done now then? o.o
[12:59] <angasule> phoenixx: basically, a lot of source packages, compile everything, configure them, mix 'em all together, try not to blow up the earth, fun stuff
[12:59] <GameOver69> hey guys im always getting this problem when i install problems.... any ideas on how to fix this? http://pastebin.com/796420
[12:59] <angasule> phoenixx: built upon the shoulders of giants :)
[12:59] <phoenixx> angasule, hahaha
[12:59] <angasule> I'm a midget giant, btw
[01:00] <angasule> not to be confused with a giant midget, that's a whole different thing
[01:00] <phoenixx> angasule: what I want to know, is how you compile the source when you have nothing but a blank HD  >_>
[01:00] <angasule> phoenixx: by hand :D
[01:00] <GameOver69> can someone please offer me some input on how to fix the aforementioned problem http://pastebin.com/796420
[01:01] <angasule> phoenixx: no, actually, there's always a base system
[01:01] <angasule> phoenixx: read the LFS introduction, it will answer most of your questions
[01:02] <phoenixx> angasule: well thanks for that.  You were actually quite helpful.  And didnt pelt me with "why are you doing this?"  I appreciate it :)
[01:02] <lupine_85> phoenixx: wirth a bootstrap
[01:02] <lupine_85> linus used minix; you can use whatever you like
[01:02] <angasule> phoenixx: well, been there, done that, LFS is fun, just try not to hose your system heh
[01:03] <Linux_Galore> LFS = Linux For the inSane
[01:03] <phoenixx> angasule: I'll do what I can.  Maybe with some luck it could end up being more than an experiment
[01:03] <phoenixx> see you
[01:03] <LjL> writing an actual kernel is even more fun ;)
[01:04] <angasule> hmm, I don't know why, audacity records every clip after the first with a lower pitch, I end up sounding like a goa'uld
[01:04] <n00btard> how do i change the default option for my bootloader?
[01:05] <LeeJunFan> oh man, I've got this job rebuilding an ISP after their old tech was fired. He used gentoo and LFS for most of the 10 servers.
[01:05] <LeeJunFan> If I see him - he better run.
[01:06] <n00btard> what's wrong with gentoo?
[01:06] <angasule> LeeJunFan: big ISP? I see nothing wrong with gentoo and LFS, for a small op
[01:06] <angasule> but if he used gentoo and LFS, he was probably a ricer who liked to tinker a lot
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> except they aren't the easiest to manage, and it was a waste of man hours to use those distros.
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> on top of having their own way of doing things.
[01:08] <GameOver69> hey guys im always getting this problem when i install problems.... any ideas on how to fix this? http://pastebin.com/796420
[01:08] <angasule> LeeJunFan: so what are you moving them to? debian? *buntu?
[01:08] <Spaceb> is it possible to install xgl on kubuntu?
[01:08] <angasule> Spaceb: yea
[01:08] <angasule> !xgl
[01:08] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[01:08] <LeeJunFan> angasule: ubuntu-dapper
[01:08] <angasule> Spaceb: unstable
[01:08] <Spaceb> ok
[01:09] <LeeJunFan> angasule: the remaining machines were a mixture of suse & mandrake.
[01:09] <LeeJunFan> so 4 different distro's, no 2 versions the same. What an update nightmare.
[01:09] <angasule> heh
[01:10] <n00btard> he used mandrake as a server?
[01:10] <angasule> 4 distros, 3 packaging systems, unlimited fun!
[01:11] <LeeJunFan> I don't even object to using mandrake as a server, it's easy to update, and follows the LSB pretty well. If he would have stuck to 1 distro/vers it would have been nice.
[01:12] <LeeJunFan> And he had 2 machines between the T1's and the switch which were bridges? why 2 bridges? only 1 was even doing any netfiltering.
[01:12] <LeeJunFan> he had one bridge setup with 5 cards, 2 of the cards were plugged into the same linksys 5 port switch which then went on to --- I don't even remember.
[01:12] <angasule> stupid audacity!
[01:13] <bamib> (in k3b) Failed to change write speed: 5540->11080
[01:13] <bamib> anyone know how to fix ??
[01:13] <LeeJunFan> The guy was nervous when I walked out of the server room and handed him 3 machines and said, "you won't be needing these. :)"
[01:14] <bamib> i get that when i try to burn a dvd iso
[01:15] <CaptainMorgan> hey
[01:16] <bamib> ANYONE!?!
[01:17] <CaptainMorgan> mE!?
[01:17] <CaptainMorgan> why isn't my GaIM working??
[01:17] <CaptainMorgan> won't sign on.. yet Konv is working fine
[01:19] <bamib> well...I thought this was a support channel
[01:19] <bamib> my bad.
[01:20] <bamib> Failed to change write speed: 5540->11080
[01:20] <bamib> this error is in k3b, my guess would be when it uses growisofs
[01:21] <bamib> does anyone know how to fix
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> LeeJunFan: For ISP stuff I would always use freebsd or slackware - most stuff you would want to compile yourself anyway right
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> LeeJunFan: ?
[01:24] <jpiccolo_> anyone know why ftp transfers across a network would go really slow?
[01:26] <Galathalion> jpiccolo_: the cops are sniffing you
[01:26] <GNUro> night
[01:26] <bamib> wtf kinda support channel is this, when atleast someone can say I have no idea
[01:26] <jpiccolo_> right, the box is sitting right next to me, just going though a switch
[01:26] <Galathalion> jpiccolo_: u never know
[01:28] <jpiccolo_> well regardless the transfer is going at 40k on a network
[01:28] <jpiccolo_> i get better speeds on bittorrent
[01:28] <bamib> k3b error Failed to change write speed: 5540->11080 anyone know how to fix?
[01:29] <lupine_85> !patience
[01:29] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[01:29] <lupine_85> google it
[01:29] <bamib> don't you atleast think i might have already tryed that first
[01:30] <bamib> i really don't like to waste peoples time
[01:31] <h3sp4wn> saying no idea would be a waste of time
[01:32] <bamib> that and I have been working on this for about a week on my own, and I know that other people have had this problem, but it seems nobody knows how to fix it
[01:32] <bamib> saying no idea could be a waste of time, but it would also be lazy
[01:33] <bamib> no to that is
[01:33] <LeeJunFan> h3sp4wn: concerning compile yourself, exactly - that's why I prefer debian and ubuntu - plenty of packages to choose from and a well tested update method.
[01:33] <bamib> not*
[01:34] <LeeJunFan> h3sp4wn: ie. no - I don't want to compile x application and distribute it amongst 10 machines.
[01:34] <lupine_85> for f in chan_list; echo "no idea"; fi
[01:35] <lupine_85> do you *really* want that?
[01:35] <bamib> if you want to put no idea in your leet shell script it's whatever
[01:36] <software_> !es
[01:36] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[01:38] <bamib> people come here for support you let them know something one way or another
[01:39] <bamib> and fyi i'm sure most people google it first so don't get smart because you don't know wtf one error is
[01:43] <h3sp4wn> LeeJunFan: For an ISP (in my experience anyway) for setting up software it needs to be self compiled because its under a different load and configuration to normal
[01:43] <bamib> k3b error Failed to change write speed: 5540->11080 anyone know how to fix?
[01:43] <lupine_85> ah, blessed silence
[01:43] <bamib> i shall just keep asking
[01:45] <Audimage> does anybody know a way to turn off those damn jumping icons next to the mouse...they are just as bad as the jumping paperclip in ms word and the animated dog when searching in windows
[01:45] <Audimage> i shant be reminded of windows while in linux :)
[01:45] <bamib> how are you going to want silence in a support channel, that like being def at a concert
[01:45] <lupine_85> Launch Feedback
[01:46] <lupine_85> in system settings->appearance?
[01:46] <lupine_85> I forget
[01:46] <DaveQB> Audimage  yeah thwe KDE control center
[01:46] <DaveQB> i think your right lupine_85
[01:47] <bamib> how are you going to want silence in a support channel, that like being def at a concert
[01:47] <bamib> k3b error Failed to change write speed: 5540->11080 anyone know how to fix?
[01:47] <bamib> k3b error Failed to change write speed: 5540->11080 anyone know how to fix?
[01:47] <lupine_85> it's in there somewhere, to do with pretties
[01:47] <lupine_85> might be Panel
[01:47] <bamib> k3b error Failed to change write speed: 5540->11080 anyone know how to fix?
[01:47] <LeeJunFan> !ops
[01:47] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatric, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak or Hawkwind
[01:47] <LjL> !repeat
[01:47] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[01:47] <lupine_85> cor, is s/he still goin?
[01:47] <nalioth> LeeJunFan: yes?
[01:48] <lupine_85>  /ignore is your friend
[01:48] <LeeJunFan> nalioth: bamib is spamming.
[01:48] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: hmm?
[01:48] <DaveQB> flooding
[01:48] <bamib> spamming is this baby....free porn goto thehun.net
[01:48] <bamib> dumb ass
[01:48] <nalioth> bamib: please be civil, the pastebin is in the /topic and the social channel is #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:48] <LeeJunFan> thanks guys.
[01:48] <nalioth> ah, well.
[01:49] <Gevaudan82> Hello all...this is probally a trivial question, but is there a way to install synaptec in kubuntu...i'm a long time ubuntu user and prefer it honestly...searched in apt-get but no luck
[01:49] <Search4Lancer> someone refresh me.... how do I install a bin?
[01:49] <LjL> Gevaudan82: "sudo aptitude install synaptic"
[01:49] <Gevaudan82> Search4Lancer: chmod +x *.bin && ./bin
[01:49] <jpiccolo_> i got my ftp thing figured out
[01:49] <lupine_85> pulls in loads of gtk deps though
[01:49] <LjL> Gevaudan82: it's bound to be in apt-get
[01:49] <LjL> !info synaptic
[01:49] <ubotu> synaptic: Graphical package manager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.57.8ubuntu11 (dapper), package size 1011 kB, installed size 5384 kB
[01:49] <LjL> Gevaudan82: have you run a "sudo apt-get update" since you installed?
[01:49] <greister> How to remove underline in Konqueror?
[01:50] <Gevaudan82> LjL: thanks i'll try...i did a search last night in the livecd and no luck...installed for real tonight so i'll let you know for sure here in a few minutes once the initial apt-get update completes
[01:50] <LjL> greister: settings / configure konqueror / web browser / underline links
[01:50] <LjL> web behavior actually
[01:51] <Hawkwind> claydoh: Ping
[01:51] <claydoh> hi Hawkwind
[01:51] <Search4Lancer> Gevaudan82: that made very little sense to me, honestly. Tried copying and pasting it and replacing the * with the file name, no go
[01:51] <Hawkwind> claydoh: http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/useraccount.php?action=newuser
[01:51] <LjL> greister: if you mean for file management, there's a similar setting in the Appearance tab
[01:51] <Hawkwind> claydoh: In response to your email :)
[01:51] <claydoh> Hawkwind: thnkies :)
[01:51] <Hawkwind> claydoh: No problem.  I'll add a fact for it to the bot here in a bit :)
[01:52] <Gevaudan82> Search4Lancer: try sudo chmod +x /path/to/binfile.bin && /path/to/binfile.bin   ...basically you have to give the bin execute permission first and then run the file thus the &&
[01:52] <Hawkwind> !ubuntu counter
[01:52] <ubotu> If you want to register with the Ubuntu Counter project, please visit this page:  http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/useraccount.php?action=newuser
[01:52] <Hawkwind> claydoh: ^^^ :P
[01:53] <greister> LjL:ok,I try.
[01:54] <Search4Lancer> Gevaudan82: bash: GoogleEarthLinux.bin: command not found
[01:54] <claydoh> Im already Ubuntu user 5644
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> I'm gonna tip the scales a bit with my kubuntu entry on the counter :) 27 machines at the library, 3 in my house, I don't know if I should count the servers as kubuntu really - since it's a server install but about 16 of those. hehe
[01:54] <Search4Lancer> nvm, just bashed it
[01:55] <Gevaudan82> Search4Lancer: try running ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin from within the directory it is in...should work as long as you gave it execute permissions
[01:55] <kimo> how do I upgrade dapper to edgy beta (yes I dont care about stability)
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> kimo: it's a bumpy road
[01:56] <lupine_85> !update
[01:56] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> kimo: I updated a few days ago and it was not as easy as apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:56] <gnomefreak> it will be when stable
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> kimo: on 3 different machines.
[01:56] <kimo> LeeJunFan: :) what broke!
[01:56] <kimo> LeeJunFan: it's beta .. should be pretty good by now, eh!
[01:56] <claydoh> 2 machines here
[01:57] <Gevaudan82> honestly, i've read the added changes...doesn't seem worth the effort at this point
[01:57] <LeeJunFan> kimo: apt-get didn't install/remove packages correctly because of dependancy issues and file renamings.
[01:57] <kimo> LeeJunFan: aptitude is recommended
[01:57] <kimo> better dependency resolution
[01:57] <gnomefreak> kimo: beta doesnt not mean its pretty good it means its ready for a wider testing session
[01:57] <excitatory> anyone know where to get a binary copy aotuv oggenc that works with *ubuntu?
[01:58] <gnomefreak> kimo: aptitude wont fix the depends issues
[01:58] <claydoh> apt in edgy has an autoremove feature
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> kimo: /bin/sh was linked to /bin/dash (part of mkinitramfs-tools), which caused a lot of following installation scripts to break.
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> kimo: so because of dash I had to go back and install quite a few packages.
[01:58] <claydoh> it recommended some packages no longer nneeded after an update and suggested running the autoremove
[01:58] <claydoh> but I have not tested it on an upgrade
[01:59] <kimo> ahh ... /me discouraged :)
[01:59] <gnomefreak> claydoh: it will come up if you install a meta package
[01:59] <gnomefreak> any of the -desktop packages
[01:59] <gnomefreak> or xorg
[02:00] <Kr4t05> !shedual
[02:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shedual - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:00] <Kr4t05> !schedual
[02:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about schedual - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:00] <gnomefreak> Kr4t05: schedule?
[02:00] <LeeJunFan> kimo: if you are familiar with linux then you will probably be okay - and knowing the /bin/dash thing will put you a step ahead - if it's still happening. My friend upgraded 2 days ago with latest daily and dash was still happening.
[02:00] <gnomefreak> LeeJunFan: its still happening
[02:01] <Kr4t05> Universe Freeze? Sounds good. :)
[02:02] <gnomefreak> yes thats today iirc
[02:15] <angasule> when I press ALT+F2 and type "kwave", /usr/bin/kwave.kss runs (some weird flag waving), but if I run kwave from the console, /usr/bin/kwave runs, why?
[02:17] <user_> hi,
[02:22] <paddy2k> hea
[02:28] <Gevaudan82> Hmm...stil no luck installing synaptec in adept...is it in an alternative repo?
[02:34] <lupine_85> "synaptic"
[02:35] <Gevaudan82> thanks man...another user in a #ubuntu cleared this up for me...i had a similar problem in a java program once typing seperator instead of separater
[02:49] <bleaked> alright.. so i just ran an update.. simple update, still dapper, nothing crazy.  one of the updates was my kernel, which really needed to be updated.  i haven't rebooted this pc all summer, so i thought now would be a good time.  now when it reboots, after the POST, i get a blank screen that says, "PRESS A KEY TO REBOOT".  is this a grub error, or?  (i'm on a livecd atm)
[02:51] <Nerevar1> hey.
[02:51] <The_Vox> hey, all....I have a question about 6.10 and 64bit...anybody tried it yet?
[02:52] <Nerevar1> i'm having trouble getting kubuntu to start
[02:52] <Nerevar1> it hangs permanently on waiting for root file system to mount
[02:53] <Nerevar1> the irqpoll parameter is being passed, but still it will not boot.
[03:00] <BluesKaj> I hear rumours about a new Kubuntu release on the horizon...is this true ?
[03:00] <boris55> beta out yet?
[03:01] <boris55> http://distrowatch.com/
[03:01] <boris55> october 26 is the tentative release date.
[03:01] <bleaked> alright, let me rephrase...
[03:01] <bleaked> ok, i just updated, then ran a simple upgrade (dapper security updates).. dpkg updated my kernel and a few other packages.  because of the kernel upgrade, and the fact that i haven't rebooted all summer, i decided to do a quick reboot.  on boot, after the POST, i get a blank screen with the text, "PRESS A KEY TO REBOOT".  er..so is this a grub error?  kernel?  other?  i've booted into the livecd, and mounted my root partition.  /boot/grub/m
[03:01] <bleaked> alled kernel listed.  i'm rather puzzled, any ideas?
[03:07] <knapper> help, im having some weird issues with kde
[03:07] <knapper> random transparency, choppy menu's
[03:07] <knapper> I had xlg/compiz installed but removed it
[03:08] <johey> Phpmyadmin is not included in Kubuntu's repository. Should I install it from source or add some third party repository? If the latter, which one?
[03:08] <knapper> when I hit the kmenu it takes a few seconds to come up and it looks choppy
[03:10] <BluesKaj> is the new kubuntu 6.10 release upgradeable from dapper ?
[03:10] <crimsun> johey: phpmyadmin | 4:2.8.2-0.2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages
[03:10] <crimsun> johey: certainly exists to me
[03:10] <BluesKaj> Kubuntu 6.10!
[03:10] <crimsun> BluesKaj: the Beta? There may be issues.
[03:10] <Atrax> it must be
[03:10] <BluesKaj> !Kubuntu 6.10
[03:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Kubuntu 6.10 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:10] <LeeJunFan> hah, ! took kubuntu over 2000 on the counter :)
[03:11] <BluesKaj> no the official realease on 0ct 26
[03:11] <LeeJunFan> If only I had a few more public libraries to install.
[03:11] <crimsun> BluesKaj: yes, it will be.
[03:11] <johey> crimsun: I'm new to Kubuntu. apt-get install phpmyadmin gives me a message about the package does not exist. How can I add it to my list?
[03:11] <crimsun> !repos > johey
[03:12] <Atrax> find the repository that contains it
[03:12] <BluesKaj> I've never upgraded a distro from one release to to the next ...is it difficult ?
[03:12] <johey> crimsun: Ah, thanks!
[03:12] <crimsun> BluesKaj: no
[03:13] <BluesKaj> crimsun, what are the methods recommended for upgrading ?
[03:13] <Nerevar1> anyone know where i can get the latest release of kubuntu
[03:13] <Nerevar1> the iso
[03:13] <crimsun> BluesKaj: using adept after changing the sources.list
[03:14] <BluesKaj> apt-get upgrade ..... ?
[03:15] <BluesKaj> the new sources list will be posted on easy?
[03:15] <crimsun> you would just need to change the list and update then dist-upgrade
[03:15] <LeeJunFan> no, don't use adept :(
[03:15] <LeeJunFan> !upgrade
[03:15] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:16] <Admiral_Chicago> Nerevar1, its cdimages.ubuntu.com
[03:16] <LeeJunFan> I don't think that's cdimages is it? just cdimage.ubuntu.com
[03:16] <LeeJunFan> huh, both work :)
[03:17] <Nerevar1> thank you
[03:17] <Admiral_Chicago> LeeJunFan, cool
[03:17] <Homer> ug no one is sure if amd64 actually provides a performence increase
[03:17] <LeeJunFan> Homer: it doesn't.
[03:17] <Nerevar1> well, i just installed a 500gig hard drive, i had installed kubuntu earlier, and i just found where it put grub
[03:17] <Homer> then what is the point
[03:17] <Homer> marketing?
[03:17] <LeeJunFan> Homer: unless you are doing things with will benefit from using 64 bit addresses like huge amounts of ram or huge databases.
[03:17] <Admiral_Chicago> /boot/grub
[03:18] <Homer> yeah I have 1 GB of RAM
[03:18] <LeeJunFan> Homer: pretty much.
[03:18] <boris55> more ram on a MB in 64 bit?
[03:18] <LeeJunFan> Homer: http://www.worlds-fastest.com/
[03:18] <Atrax> kubuntu is pretty fast
[03:19] <Atrax> I use dapper
[03:19] <LeeJunFan> Homer: I had another link that was more informative but I fear I've lost it. :9
[03:19] <Homer> wow that is actually saying 64-bit is slower
[03:19] <Homer> I think
[03:19] <Admiral_Chicago> boris55, no its two processors on two chips
[03:19] <LeeJunFan> Homer: it is - for most common things.
[03:21] <sync350> Hey, when I installed kubuntu, I named the system "localhost" ... now I've decided its time to upgrade to a cooler souding name :p ... anyone know how to do this?
[03:21] <Homer> big problems with amd64 on ubuntu is (1) wine is a b**tch to get to work right and is slower; (2) flash is a b**tch to work right; (3) unstable video drivers that lag behind 32-bit
[03:21] <software_> !es
[03:21] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:21] <LeeJunFan> sync350: edit /etc/hostname and add your new hostname to the 127.0.0.1 line in /etc/hosts
[03:22] <boris55> no need to go to 64 bit.
[03:22] <sync350> alrighty, thank you :)
[03:22] <Homer> ati's amd64 drivers are 2 major revisions older then 32-bit
[03:22] <Homer> and are buggy
[03:23] <LeeJunFan> yeah, ati neglects linux, and like anyone else they neglect 64 bit even more.
[03:23] <f4t4l`> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=267597
[03:23] <Nerevar1> maybe you guys might know this
[03:23] <Nerevar1> i've been trying to find it out for weeks now
[03:23] <Nerevar1> do you know if linux supports "wireless n" by any vendor?
[03:23] <Nerevar1> it's also called "gigabit wireless"
[03:24] <sync350> wireless n?
[03:24] <sync350> n as in networking?
[03:24] <cpk2> sync350: its the wireless standard
[03:24] <cpk2> sync350: as in b/g and now n
[03:24] <Admiral_Chicago> Nerevar1, probably
[03:24] <sync350> ah
[03:24] <Admiral_Chicago> !wireless
[03:24] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:24] <Nerevar1> well, several vendors shortcircuited the wireless approval process. n isnt due to be approved until 2009 i believe
[03:25] <sync350> LeeJunFan: I'm assuming i have to restart for that to take effect?
[03:26] <LeeJunFan> sync350: you could just run 'sudo hostname [newhostname] ' to change the current running hostname
[03:26] <sledge> Hey, I can't add usb printers using the printers control panel anymore. What happened?
[03:26] <LeeJunFan> sync350: but a reboot may be required to get it to show up correctly in all places. since some things have already loaded the old one.
[03:27] <sergiiio> How mount ntfs on kubuntu?
[03:27] <cpk2> !ntfs
[03:27] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[03:27] <Nerevar1> seems like not a single person in the world tried it.
[03:27] <sergiiio> gracias amigo !!!
[03:28] <Admiral_Chicago> Nerevar1, yea i've never heard oy it
[03:29] <boris55> !ntfs
[03:29] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[03:29] <LeeJunFan> A Friend of mine used some dlink (yuck) N wireless and he was impressed with both range and speed. He was about 200 yards away from the AP which was inside a metal building and it was working fine he claimed.
[03:30] <BluesKaj> i suppose source-omatic will post the proper upgraded source list for 6.10 ?
[03:31] <boris55> 200 yds?  my G doesn't hardly go from one end of the house to the other.
[03:31] <Nerevar1> i also heard the d-link wireless n was good
[03:31] <Nerevar1> and yeah, my g range sucks too.
[03:32] <cpk2> at my campus here in my apt i barely get a strong enough signal to keep the internet up
[03:32] <LeeJunFan> Nerevar1: my personal experience with dlink nics, ap's, switches, wireless nics and cameras is that dlink sucks. But hey, I've only been a network engineer for 10 years :)
[03:32] <Nerevar1> nod. i've seen d-link routers that just die when they interact with peer to peer apps.
[03:33] <cpk2> LeeJunFan: i dunno, while cheap i am not sure if airlinks are that good
[03:33] <LeeJunFan> Just today I worked for an ISP who had a bad dlink card which was causing the machine to reboot spontaniously.
[03:33] <BluesKaj> I prefer wired routers ...much more reliable
[03:33] <Nerevar1> yep. too bad i cant use wired.
[03:34] <LeeJunFan> Although I have seen some very innovative products from d-link, it seems they just don't polish them well enough.
[03:34] <BluesKaj> no wired internet on campus ?
[03:34] <BluesKaj> that's just nutty
[03:34] <cpk2> BluesKaj: i have wired internet, but 2 boxes
[03:35] <BluesKaj> wire em together :)
[03:35] <cpk2> and I can network the 2 boxes together but sometimes the internet doesnt seem to play nice when i do that
[03:36] <cpk2> and the both only have one nic and one wireless
[03:36] <BluesKaj> I'm using 2 boxes on a router ...No probs
[03:36] <cpk2> they*
[03:36] <cpk2> i'm not going to go buy a router =P
[03:36] <BluesKaj> cat5 werks fer me
[03:36] <BluesKaj> wireless is too prone to dropouts
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> cpk2: if you have any bridging going on with those machines many AP's will puke to all heck if there's double bridging going on.
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> ie. 2 macs sharing the same IP's.
[03:37] <caseyomah> What is the KDE version of gksu?
[03:37] <bleaked> i'm having a rather serious problem.. after a dapper security update (which included a kernel update) and a reboot, after the POST the following text/error is displayed: "PRESS A KEY TO REBOOT".  is this a grub error?  or?  and if so, suggestions for a fix?
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> !kdesu
[03:37] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> caseyomah: ^^
[03:37] <cpk2> bridging? well i mainly just use the internet on whichever one is connected directly
[03:37] <caseyomah> Thanks, does it need the bang (!)?
[03:37] <Admiral_Chicago> bleaked, mobo issue most likely
[03:38] <BluesKaj> whynot a router , i don't get your point
[03:38] <cpk2> BluesKaj: routers cost money
[03:38] <bleaked> Admiral_Chicago: hrm.. well i checked the bios, under the boot section and everything looked correct.  do you have any suggestions?
[03:39] <sync350> hehe, im back :)
[03:39] <cpk2> if anything i would buy another nic for my desktop that would be the cheapest solution
[03:39] <Admiral_Chicago> bleaked, unfortunetly not
[03:40] <Admiral_Chicago> what does the screen look like?
[03:40] <unix_infidel> actually, i got paid 10 dollars to take a router off best buy's hands.
[03:40] <bleaked> cpk2: cheap in terms of money spent on hardware, but you're asking for a headache..
[03:40] <sync350> anyone know how i could be able to play avi files?  I've tried totem and movie player, both of which won't play it.  movie player tells me i need a driver or something, and totem plays, but it plays really fast, like 30 minutes in 4 seconds, and there's no video :/
[03:40] <bleaked> so more expensive, really.
[03:40] <caseyomah> Okay, no bang, the bang is to trigger bot.
[03:40] <cpk2> i dont see how its a headache? right now the two machines are hooked up via crossover cable
[03:41] <cpk2> very simple
[03:42] <BluesKaj> well no nic no internet ...gotta have something to connect to ...it's taken for granted that you have an ethernet card or something to connect with ,... gawd
[03:42] <bleaked> Admiral_Chicago: the screen is completely blank.. in the upper left, the text, "PRESS A KEY TO REBOOT", appears.
[03:43] <bleaked> sync350: have you reviewed this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[03:44] <sync350> nope :p ... i'll look at it
[03:44] <Admiral_Chicago> bleaked, that is not a linux problem
[03:44] <sledge> Hey, I can't add usb printers using the printers control panel anymore. What happened? (Running edgy...)
[03:44] <Admiral_Chicago> does it get to grub?
[03:44] <caseyomah> Okay, I have a friend who needs to add an entry to mtab (for /dev/sda1 Thumbdrive) and kdesu kate /etc/mtab doesn't open, just gives (what look to me to be) default warnings.
[03:45] <Admiral_Chicago> sledge, #ubuntu+1 might be able to help you more
[03:46] <caseyomah> Any ideas?
[03:46] <bleaked> Admiral_Chicago: it doesn't appear to.. right when the boot process is suppose to go to grub, i get that error/message/text/whatever.
[03:46] <caseyomah> Should I talk him through cp <<stdinput?
[03:46] <BluesKaj> bleaked, you have toook for repos with non free programs such as codecs for totem and xine etc
[03:47] <BluesKaj> to look
[03:47] <bleaked> BluesKaj: what do codecs have anything to do with grub failing to load?
[03:48] <Hawkwind> caseyomah: You don't edit /etc/mtab, you edit /etc/fstab
[03:49] <caseyomah> Hawkwind: He needs to change mount rights on automount
[03:49] <Hawkwind> caseyomah: Ok, you still edit /etc/fstab
[03:49] <Hawkwind> caseyomah: /etc/mtab is to *never* be edited manually
[03:49] <caseyomah> Right now it's set to owner only.
[03:50] <BluesKaj> sorry , confused you with somebody else
[03:50] <caseyomah> Hawkwind: He wants to make it mountable by (all) users.
[03:50] <BluesKaj> sorry , confused you with somebody else , bleaked
[03:51] <bleaked> BluesKaj: no worries..
[03:51] <Hawkwind> caseyomah: Ok, so add user to the /etc/fstab line somewhere
[03:51] <caseyomah> But doesn't that disable the KDE automount?
[03:51] <Hawkwind> caseyomah: I'd have to see the fstab line to be honest
[03:52] <caseyomah> Hawkwind: The noauto option?
[03:52] <BluesKaj> guess i meant sync350, but that person appears to have gone
[03:52] <Hawkwind> caseyomah: It would be best to paste the entire fstab file to http://pastebin.ulteo.us  so we could all see it and possibly help you
[04:03] <Dr_willis> Heh - just got the latest Weird Al Cd. :)
[04:04] <Dr_willis> one side of the cd is a DVD.. one side is a CD>
[04:04] <Dr_willis> thats... different.
[04:04] <AWOSDev> Wow never seen that before.
[04:04] <macd> Preparing to replace libsexy2 0.1.7-0ubuntu5 (using .../libsexy2_0.1.10-0ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...
[04:04] <Dr_willis> Lots of added stuff.. and it was only $12
[04:04] <macd> what is libsexy ;)
[04:04] <Dr_willis> I think other artists need to take a lesson from him
[04:04] <macd> vassilis pandis?
[04:05] <vassilis> nop
[04:05] <macd> nvm :)
[04:05] <tanamo> #slackware
[04:06] <vassilis> anyone from thessaloniki-greece here ?
[04:26] <Dr_willis> gee i wonder what the odds of THAT would be...
[04:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:27] <ZEN2_> verry low 1 in 10 maybe
[04:27] <ZEN2_> or you recon high like 1 in 10 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 is more likely
[04:28] <Dr_willis> well lets see.. theres how many billion people on the earth...
[04:29] <cpk2> well thats a nice exiting message lol
[04:29] <Dr_willis> 'answer hazy - ask again later;
[04:29] <AWOSDev> That is :P
[04:31] <tobias__> love to all!
[04:32] <tobias__> root is disabled?
[04:32] <Gevaudan82> tobias_: sudo passwd root
[04:32] <Dr_willis> if they knew enough lunux to be trusted with direct loging in as root.. then they would KNOW how to reenalble it.
[04:32] <Dr_willis> :P
[04:32] <tobias__> hehe
[04:32] <Dr_willis> direct logging in is disabled - is the correct term.
[04:32] <tobias__> dont make fun of us noobs
[04:32] <tobias__> its not nice :P
[04:32] <Dr_willis> Its a "integellience test"
[04:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:32] <Dr_willis> if ya know how to reenable it.. then you can be trusted .
[04:32] <Dr_willis> lol
[04:33] <tobias__> I go search on google, google is my second brain, you guys are my third so Ill come here after if I got problems with stuff
[04:33] <LeeJunFan> heh, just read an article as to why we don't have flash 9 yet, apparently the devs say it doesn't run on distro's different than the dev platform when they test it.
[04:33] <Dr_willis> some day i need to start up a collextion of all the odd questions ive seen asked
[04:34] <LeeJunFan> So tell me then why much larger projects which are binary only don't have any distro problems like vmware, quake, cedega, codeweavers? flash programmers - go back to school! :)
[04:34] <LeeJunFan> !root
[04:34] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:34] <LeeJunFan> tobias__: see above
[04:34] <tobias__> Leejunfan: thanks! but I dont have any problems right now :)
[04:34] <Dr_willis> cedega can have problems.
[04:35] <tobias__> I wont be messing around with root stuff unless totally necessary
[04:35] <Dr_willis> and quake and some other games can have nasty problems
[04:35] <Dr_willis> vmware also needs modules compiled for your specific kernel.
[04:35] <cpk2> q
[04:35] <cpk2> oops
[04:35] <cpk2> quake has problems?
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> Dr_willis: I've seen issues with gfx drivers, but I've never had a problem on redhat, ubuntu, debian, suse, or mandrake getting any of those to run.
[04:36] <Dr_willis> Yes. i recall quite many problems with Quake 1 and 2 and 3
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> and vmware uses kernel modules because it accesses devices.
[04:36] <cpk2> arent all the quakes native linux?
[04:36] <Dr_willis> I recall some odd library issues with the quake games a long time ago
[04:36] <Dr_willis> I recall not being able to get quake1 runnint the othe rday when i tried.
[04:36] <Dr_willis> I forget why.. but i ended up finding a better alternative - that used the same data libs.
[04:36] <Dr_willis> same data files I mean.
[04:37] <LeeJunFan> but a small app like flash can't be so boggling that doesn't need DMA or direct device access.
[04:37] <Dr_willis> GPL'ed Quake 1 2 and 3 = FUN!
[04:37] <Dr_willis> LeeJunFan,  I agree
[04:37] <Dr_willis> Flash is a Pimple on the face of the world. :)
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> I think even if they compiled against static libs and and released an interim flash that may even be a 40MB download guaranteed to work it would be better than nothing.
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> err compiled flash static with libs.
[04:38] <Dr_willis> heh
[04:38] <Dr_willis> Gotta have your daily YouTube!
[04:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> Dr_willis: yeah it is, but it's one of those pimples that you can't squeeze away.
[04:39] <Dr_willis> LeeJunFan,  so its more of a Cyst.
[04:39] <AWOSDev> ow, you're making my face hurt ;)
[04:39] <LeeJunFan> right :)
[04:39] <Dr_willis> a Wart?
[04:39] <LeeJunFan> tumor
[04:39] <Dr_willis> a Melanoma - because it spreads
[04:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:39] <AWOSDev> You Need Wartner.  :)
[04:39] <Homer> !gnash
[04:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:39] <Dr_willis> "Flash is a Melanoma on the face of the internet"
[04:40] <Homer> f**k adobe, support gnash
[04:40] <Homer> :D
[04:41] <Dr_willis> f**k adobe, support lynx!
[04:41] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:42] <Healot> wtf?
[04:42] <Puput^_^Imut2> gimana nih
[04:43] <AWOSDev> screw lynx, support w3m-images!  :)
[04:43] <flaccid> my hard disk, in particular the home drive partition crashed again. i lose folders in my home dir. does fcsk mark bad blocks as bad so they cannot be overwritten?
[04:43] <Dr_willis> links -g
[04:44] <LeeJunFan> flaccid: uh, problem is if your disk is in that bad of shape it's probably losing blocks left and right.
[04:44] <LeeJunFan> flaccid: or you're just using reiserfs
[04:44] <flaccid> does it or not?
[04:45] <Dr_willis> im not sure on that flaccid
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> flaccid: if you use -c it will
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> man fsck.ext3
[04:45] <Dr_willis>  badblocks - search a device for bad blocks
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> it probably depends on the filesystem - not all will support it I suppose.
[04:46] <flaccid> its ext3
[04:47] <flaccid> Dr_willis: so just do sudo badblocks /dev/hda ?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> no idea. :) i just rember that command...
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> or you could do man badblocks
[04:47] <Dr_willis> ive never used it  befor
[04:48] <flaccid> there is a million options
[04:48] <Dr_willis> 1 million and 4 - i counted
[04:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:48] <LeeJunFan> flaccid: anything in []  is optional - so it seems you can just use the device name
[04:48] <Dr_willis> ls has 1 million and 200 thousand
[04:49] <shadowraven> anyone know how to install flash?
[04:49] <LeeJunFan> personally I would do fsck.ext3 -c /dev/hdaX , since it says right there in the man page it will mark the bad blocks for you.
[04:49] <LeeJunFan> !flash
[04:49] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> shadowraven: personally I think downloading it, untarring it, and putting the .so and .xpt file in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins is the easiest way.
[04:50] <flaccid> LeeJunFan: and doing fsck.ext3 -c /dev/hda would do the whole disk ie. hda1, hda2 etc ?
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> flaccid: no, you have to do each partition.
[04:51] <flaccid> ok ty
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> actually I see here in the man page for badblocks: it  is strongly recommended that users not run badblocks directly, but rather use the -c option of the e2fsck and mke2fs programs.
[04:52] <LeeJunFan> apparently even the developers think it's confusing :)
[04:52] <flaccid> ah ok
[04:52] <AWOSDev> LeejunFan, it's never good when the *devs* think it's confusing :)
[04:52] <flaccid> so you recommend just the command you said?
[04:53] <AWOSDev> yeah
[04:53] <AWOSDev> Can any of you help me optimize PHP code?
[04:53] <flaccid> AWOSDev: #php
[04:53] <LeeJunFan> Yeah, hehe. ./hello_world -c 10 -u18 --bad=yes -f4 --lib-ext --no-printing
[04:54] <AWOSDev> flaccid, yes but they don't really wanna help me for some reason
[04:54] <AWOSDev> they gave me irrelevant links
[04:54] <LeeJunFan> I can't even write a non confusing hello world program. :)
[04:54] <dennis_> anyone have any luck getting a firewire enclosure with a hard disc inside mounted ? on a FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh controller
[04:54] <flaccid> i would help but i gotta do something about this hard disk, i'm pissed
[04:55] <AWOSDev> flaccid, just start fsck and come back and help me if you want :)
[04:55] <AWOSDev> Aw shoot he's already gone.
[04:55] <dennis_> flaccid, what's your problem with the hard disc ??
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> dennis_: not that controller, but my firewire HD and DVD-Writer just work. Well after I got a cable that was worth a crap it just works.
[04:56] <AWOSDev> dennis_, he's left IRC.
[04:56] <dennis_> I know the device works I used to access it with my computer when it was winxp
[04:57] <dennis_> hmm, I shouldn't need to, but I could try booting with it plugged in
[04:57] <AWOSDev> Will anybody else help me optimize PHP code?
[04:58] <Healot> optimize PHP itself :)
[04:58] <AWOSDev> Healot, not exactly what I meant :)
[04:58] <dennis_> so when do you folks think we'll see flash 9 avaliable ?
[04:59] <AWOSDev> I mean optimize code I made to run *with* PHP, not code to *run* PHP :P
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: I would but my PHP is rusty. I used to be really good with it but I don't think I've done any PHP in over a year now :/
[04:59] <Healot> i know, AWOSDev :-
[04:59] <AWOSDev> LeejunFan, well I mean you could /try/ :)
[04:59] <BigIron> Goos evening
[04:59] <AWOSDev> dennis_, I think we'll see it in Edge personally
[04:59] <dennis_> too bad
[05:00] <dennis_> guess I'll have to compile it myself when an rpm or some other package may be a avaliable
[05:01] <LeeJunFan> Well, I realized my PHP was good, and my html was clean, I had no artistic talent, so building good webpages wasn't in it for me, and if I'm not building webpages with mysql I've no need for PHP any more:)
[05:01] <BigIron> I installed gnucash but can not find it in the menu, how do I update my menu so it shows?
[05:01] <AWOSDev> Bigiron, kbuildsycoca
[05:01] <LeeJunFan> BigIron: you can try kbuildsycoca
[05:01] <LeeJunFan> BigIron: heh
[05:02] <AWOSDev> LeejunFan, it's MySQL+PHP code :)
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> but if that doesn't work you might want to install menu and run update-menus
[05:02] <BigIron> Is that a teminal command?
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> that will create a debian folder in your main kmenu, it will have tons of apps that were packaged without being kde or LSB aware.
[05:02] <AWOSDev> BigIron  yes
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> BigIron: yeah, the update-menus is.
[05:03] <BigIron> It is not in the deb. menu ether
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> hrm, I dunno - I use kmymoney now.
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> I switched to it from gnucash about 8 months ago.
[05:04] <BigIron> is the kbuildcoca a terminal command?
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> yes, kbuildsycoca is
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> it tells kde to rebuild it's config cache, normally is done automatically but sometimes especially with non kde apps it may not work automatically.
[05:06] <AWOSDev> So LeejunFan it's just a simple PHP+MySQL thing...
[05:06] <BigIron> I will give it a shot. Thanks a bunch you guys are great.
[05:06] <AWOSDev> (meaning I'll take what I can get :) )
[05:06] <AWOSDev> BigIron np
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: what are you looking to get out of optimizing? is it not performing well?
[05:06] <AWOSDev> well no it's just crappy
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: hehe
[05:06] <AWOSDev> nested while() loops
[05:06] <AWOSDev> need I say more?
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: that doesn't mean too much, sometimes that's needed. Putting them in functions may make it look cleaner but if you call a function containing a while loop from inside a while loop it's still a nested while loop.
[05:08] <AWOSDev> LeejunFan can you give me your opinion though?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25128/
[05:09] <tobias__> gnite all, spread the love!
[05:10] <BigIron> Kbuildcoca did not make it  appear. I can get it to run by hiotting alt-F2 and typing gnucash. Is there a way I can put a shortcut on the desktop to it?
[05:11] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: man, that's nothing. I wouldn't worry about it - I thought you were going to have like 5 layers deep of nested while loops. hehe
[05:12] <AWOSDev> LeejunFan, sorry that was old
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: the code is laid out well and easy enough to follow. If you try to use functions it's a good habit to get into, but since you aren't really re-using code there it's not an issue.
[05:13] <AWOSDev> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25129/  <-- that's the newest version
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: haha! just what I said. eh?
[05:14] <AWOSDev> Exactly
[05:14] <AWOSDev> I just had an old copy on the clipboard
[05:14] <AWOSDev> and since it pasted PHP code I thought it got my new copy :)
[05:14] <AWOSDev> it's pretty ugly
[05:14] <AWOSDev> So is there any way to maybe make it easier?
[05:15] <AWOSDev> I also need those spaces there so each level *has* to have different code
[05:15] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: well, ugly yes, but functional - yes. I would break that up into functions if for no other reason than readability. When you come back to visit this in 6 months you may take 10-15 mins just to figure out why you did it this way.
[05:16] <AWOSDev> LeeJunFan yes exactly what I was thinking :)
[05:16] <AWOSDev> so functions, huh?
[05:16] <AWOSDev> easily portable?
[05:16] <AWOSDev> (sorry dumb question)
[05:16] <romeo__> hello i m trying to convince my friend to use kubuntu .....he will if he can get his webcam to work with kopete....is it possible?
[05:17] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: yeah, just break out each of them and make functions declarations and put them in a .inc.php file
[05:17] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: I assume you are writing some type of message board with parent_id == parent post, for nested posts?
[05:17] <AWOSDev> no, categories
[05:17] <echo1> Hi everyone.  I recently upgraded from the 386 kernel to the 686 kernel (on account of having a Pent M).  Everything works except it broke shut down.  No longer does it save my desktop and half the time it just goes blank screen and doesnt do the shut down process or anythign
[05:17] <AWOSDev> eCommerce shopping cart
[05:18] <echo1> 2.6.12-27-686
[05:18] <AWOSDev> no it isn't for computers but e.g.
[05:18] <AWOSDev> Computers->Intel->486
[05:18] <AWOSDev> or
[05:18] <romeo__> can he use his logitech webcam with kopete?
[05:18] <AWOSDev> Computers->AMD->K7
[05:18] <morghanphoenix> ello again all
[05:18] <AWOSDev> Hi morghanphoenix!
[05:19] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, did you ever get that networking prob fixed?
[05:19] <morghanphoenix> no, but I can just use my external hard drive to swap files
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: don't forget to index any column you are using a where clause on.
[05:20] <romeo__> hello i m trying to convince my friend to use kubuntu .....he will if he can get his webcam to work with kopete....is it possible?
[05:20] <morghanphoenix> It's FAT32, so no problems with her windows XP
[05:20] <morghanphoenix> I've seen it done, but I don't know how.
[05:21] <romeo__> anybody?
[05:21] <morghanphoenix> I know it's possible
[05:21] <morghanphoenix> but not how
[05:21] <morghanphoenix> my friend has his going
[05:21] <AWOSDev> LeeJunFan, can I do that on a table already made?
[05:21] <Dr_willis>  just mount the thing.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> linux can read/write to vfat :)
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: I think with what you are doing there - building an information tree (so to speak) nested whiles were the way to go, but I'de break them up into functions still for readability.
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: yeah, you can add index to existing.
[05:21] <AWOSDev> Okay
[05:22] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: alter table X add index ... blah blah - I forget the exact syntax.
[05:22] <morghanphoenix> I wish my RAM slots would take bigger DIMMs than 512
[05:22] <Dr_willis> fold them in half. :)
[05:22] <unix_infidel> morghanphoenix: i only have 1x512 in this box right now, its unbearable.
[05:23] <morghanphoenix> Even if I had the cash I couldn't go over a gig on my machine
[05:23] <morghanphoenix> I have 2 128s
[05:23] <morghanphoenix> Good thing I have a gig of swap
[05:23] <morghanphoenix> I use most of it
[05:23] <AWOSDev> I have 2 128s
[05:23] <morghanphoenix> Lynwood? As in Washington?
[05:24] <AWOSDev> I have 2 128s, run Apache2 MySQL and multiple Konqueror tabs, and am only using 100M of 500M swap :)
[05:24] <morghanphoenix> I do lots of encoding audio and video
[05:24] <morghanphoenix> It seems to eat it up quick
[05:25] <unix_infidel> morghanphoenix: try doing all that you do in linux on windows and then see how much swap you use.
[05:25] <AWOSDev> I'm listening to nothing because my mixer broke :(
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: just for your own devel use right? you can edit apache's and mysql.cnf to use less ram even. If it's just for devel purposes you don't need to give it a lot of ram.
[05:25] <AWOSDev> unix_infidel - THANK you!
[05:25] <unix_infidel> ?
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: not to mention apache probably starts a few copies of itself.
[05:26] <morghanphoenix> I'm probably going to try and pick up more junk boxes for a seperate mail and web server.
[05:26] <AWOSDev> LeeJunFan yes Apache has 6 copies and yes it's only for my dev use - I have a hosting provider using FreeBSD/Apache/MySQL/PHP (FAMP) so I'm deving on this one
[05:26] <fulat2k> hi folks, how do i change konqueror's behaviour to dbl click instead of single click?
[05:26] <AWOSDev> Oh yeah I also have KDevelop, two Konsoles and of course Konversation runnign :)
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> hell, I've got ssh, ftp, bind, postfix, apache, mysql, amarok, konversation, kopete, and XGL/compiz and it's using under 256M of ram.
[05:26] <AWOSDev> unix_infidel, I was thanking you for comparing Linux and Windows' swap usage :)
[05:27] <morghanphoenix> Thoggen seems to eat it up most of all, know any better dvd rippers?
[05:27] <AWOSDev> LeeJunFan I have all that too
[05:27] <AWOSDev> minus the XGL
[05:27] <unix_infidel> AWOSDev: its not necessarily swap usage its memory mangement.
[05:27] <unix_infidel> and the amount of memory apps require.
[05:27] <AWOSDev> unix_infidel true
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> granted all of my 1G is actually being used, for cache.
[05:27] <AWOSDev> unix_infidel one time on my laptop, I had Firefox open for a few days.  "Windows has run out of kernel memory pool space."  NOT KIDDING.
[05:28] <AWOSDev> Meanwhile I had my Linux computer on 20-some days straight with barely any swap used.
[05:28] <AWOSDev> TAKE THAT XP!  :P
[05:28] <morghanphoenix> I can't immagine using firefox again
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> I don't know if it still does but I've heard from many people - some recent - that firefox on windows leaks bad.
[05:28] <unix_infidel> morghanphoenix: compared to?
[05:28] <blueblood> ok i'm pressing yes about 1 million times with the disk check
[05:28] <morghanphoenix> I got hooked on opera
[05:28] <NDPowerBook> Anything's better than IE :-)
[05:29] <morghanphoenix> Had to install java again, but since then it's been perfect.
[05:29] <morghanphoenix> About twice as fast as firefox on load time.
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> IE == infectious executor
[05:30] <mini_gamer1896> fulat2k, go to k menu>system settings>mouse>and select double click
[05:30] <morghanphoenix> Just wait, firefox keeps getting more an more popular it'll be just as bad.
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> morghanphoenix: except that firefox issues are fixed within 24 hours of exploit discovery.
[05:31] <morghanphoenix> Well, not as bad as microsoft
[05:31] <morghanphoenix> that's not possible.
[05:31] <mini_gamer1896> lol, true
[05:32] <morghanphoenix> I hate IE specific websites.
[05:32] <fulat2k> mini_gamer1896: omg... thx dude.  how could i have missed that {g}
[05:32] <mini_gamer1896> np
[05:33] <mini_gamer1896> unfortinately, i have to install ie so as to work on universal web sites for a class
[05:33] <AWOSDev> LeeJunFan how does this look?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25134/
[05:33] <morghanphoenix> anybody had experiance hooking up a PSP to linux?
[05:34] <AWOSDev> Um yeah Firefox definitely leaks on Windows
[05:34] <AWOSDev> BADLY.
[05:34] <flaccid> so my questions are now in regard to backup.
[05:34] <flaccid> !backup
[05:34] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi
[05:34] <flaccid> hmm
[05:35] <flaccid> in general, the only thing you have to backup is your home dir in the case of 'you don't mind doing a reinstall of the OS and binaries' ??
[05:35] <flaccid> but if you wanna backup the OS, do a disk image as well ?
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: looks better, personally I prefer functions before the main, but then I'm just old school I guess.
[05:36] <AWOSDev> LeeJunFan I just put it there so I could pastebin it without all the fluff
[05:36] <AWOSDev> I like functions before main too :)
[05:38] <flaccid> anyone, any thoughts?
[05:38] <abortd> how can i change the size of the text inside of windows with kubuntu?
[05:39] <echo1> Hi everyone.  I recently upgraded from the 386 kernel to the 686 kernel (on account of having a Pent M).  Everything works except it broke shut down.  No longer does it save my desktop and half the time it just goes blank screen and doesnt do the shut down process or anythign (2.6.12-27-686) (Kubuntu)
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> flaccid: you may want to get /var if you have mysql databases, email, etc... And /etc may help you get your system settings back to snuff. like xorg.conf especially.
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> !fb
[05:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> !framebuffer
[05:40] <ubotu> If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> echo1: read what ubotu just said ^^ try turning off framebuffer.
[05:41] <mini_gamer1896> abortd: ctrl + "+" to lower ctrl + "-" | it may only work with konquerer
[05:41] <flaccid> LeeJunFan hmm true
[05:42] <abortd> how can i change the size of the text inside of windows with kubuntu?
[05:42] <flaccid> abortd: kcontrol
[05:43] <flaccid> is one way
[05:43] <echo1> LeeJunFan: but it seems that framebuffer deals only with the screen - what about it actually not shutting down/saving my state
[05:43] <abortd> sweet
[05:43] <abortd> couldnt find that
[05:43] <abortd> thanks flacid
[05:44] <morghanphoenix> Anyone know how to get linux to recognize my PSP, all I get on web searches is crap about trying to port linux to the PSP.
[05:44] <Dr_willis> I just plug the psp memory card into my usb reader.
[05:44] <LeeJunFan> echo1: it could be that still - as it switches from X to console - ie, a brief moment between your desktop and kdm login, framebuffer could be interfering with it.
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> I've had framebuffer do all kinds of crap to me.
[05:45] <Dr_willis> cnt say that ive tried pluggint the psp itself into the usb slot.
[05:45] <Dr_willis> but it should show up as a usb drive. when you enalble the usb support on the psp
[05:45] <Dr_willis> guess i could try..
[05:45] <echo1> hmm k
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> echo1: might also try turning off apic, but that's generally bootup - not shutdown problems.
[05:45] <flaccid> !dar
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> !apic
[05:45] <ubotu> dar: Disk ARchive: Backup directory tree and files. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.4-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 357 kB, installed size 928 kB
[05:45] <Dr_willis> but i dontknow where my psp cable is at
[05:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:45] <morghanphoenix> I don't have a reader, need to use the psp as my reader, it doesn't even seem to be there when I plug it in.
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> hrm.
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> gnight.
[05:45] <flaccid> can dar backup to network and not optical drive?
[05:46] <echo1> I *think* I had a kernel panic once that said apic was the problem, but i rebooted and the problem went away
[05:46] <Dr_willis> morghanphoenix,  you are enableing the 'usb' support on the psp in the psp menu's ?
[05:46] <morghanphoenix> yeah
[05:46] <Dr_willis> enable that.. then plug it in.. perhaps
[05:46] <morghanphoenix> will check, gotta grab the PSP again
[05:47] <benkong2> can I just have kubuntu install instead of going through the livecd? something like install vga=792
[05:48] <morghanphoenix> worked
[05:48] <morghanphoenix> shows up as an iPod though
[05:48] <morghanphoenix> lol
[05:49] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:49] <morghanphoenix> I knew it should work, if the passport and the ipod worked.
[05:50] <ZEN2_> hey dr
[05:50] <morghanphoenix> now back to my daily question, know a good program to reencode mp3s?
[05:51] <manuel_> A ver si me aclaro
[05:51] <Dr_willis> reencode them to what?
[05:51] <ErichK> Where can I download amarok visualizations?
[05:51] <morghanphoenix> constant bitrate 128k MP3
[05:52] <ZEN2_> i got a really dumb question for you 2 of them to be correct .... i installed samba and wine before now i wanna use them in the menu's ... how do i find them to use and configure
[05:55] <Dr_willis> what do you expect 'samba' to do from an icon?
[05:55] <Dr_willis> its a server.
[05:55] <ZEN2_> lol
[05:55] <Dr_willis> wine - is used to launch specific .exe files
[05:55] <ZEN2_> but i cant find wine either
[05:55] <morghanphoenix> wine.cfg
[05:55] <Dr_willis> so make a launcher to launch what you want
[05:55] <morghanphoenix> or was it winecfg
[05:55] <ZEN2_> oki
[05:55] <ZEN2_> thanks
[05:55] <Dr_willis> i think if you use wine to run an installer.exe it will add icons to the menus.. or was that cedega
[05:56] <morghanphoenix> WINE slowed my computer down so much it was unuseable, probably just the jusk hardware though.
[05:56] <morghanphoenix> *junk
[05:57] <morghanphoenix> I HATE these microsoft natural keyboards.
[05:57] <mini_gamer1896> why haven't i used opera before?!?
[05:57] <morghanphoenix> always hitting the wrong keys or leaning on the print screen key
[05:58] <mini_gamer1896> the latest version is a beaut
[05:58] <morghanphoenix> I didn't know about it untill an evangelist came on the firefox boards
[05:58] <Dr_willis> i still perfer firefox to opera
[05:58] <morghanphoenix> Everybody flamed him off, I switched to opera
[05:58] <Dr_willis> i got too many firefox extensions  that i just  gotta have
[05:59] <Dr_willis> That Nintindo Wii - is to be able to run Opera. :)
[05:59] <morghanphoenix> I like widgets better, they've never made me have to load in safe mode.
[05:59] <Dr_willis> cant say that ive ever had that issue with firefox .
[06:00] <abortd> flaccid: cant find it in there
[06:00] <Dr_willis> I just want ad killers! and flash Killers!
[06:00] <Dr_willis> and GreaseMonkey is fun
[06:00] <morghanphoenix> never used greasemonkey, but don't get ads with opera and only get flash if I want it.
[06:00] <mini_gamer1896> adblock + g-set updater + flashblock, what else do you need for ff?
[06:01] <ZEN2_> have you tried soundkonverter yet
[06:01] <abortd> how can i change the size of the text inside of windows with kubuntu?
[06:02] <morghanphoenix> yeah, and mBox, need something that won't pitch a fit when I tell it I want 40gigs of MP3s converted while I'm asleep.
[06:02] <morghanphoenix> I can do it with mBox, just one directory at a time, and its slooooow
[06:02] <unix_infidel> abortd: what do you mean change the size of the text?
[06:02] <unix_infidel> for a ms word file?
[06:03] <morghanphoenix> plus it loses files if thier names don't fit it's ideas of what a name should be.
[06:03] <abortd> like when i go into adept the text is all huge
[06:03] <abortd> i changed it before
[06:03] <abortd> but i forgot how
[06:04] <morghanphoenix> that's another opera plus, page zoom is part of the browser, not an add on.
[06:04] <Dr_willis> mini_gamer1896,  i like that weather extension also.. and thers a video downloader extension thats nice
[06:05] <morghanphoenix> I use the touchthesky widget for weather.
[06:05] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: weather extension for firefox?
[06:05] <Dr_willis> or look out the window. :)
[06:05] <unix_infidel> that rquires firefox to be open though?
[06:05] <unix_infidel> :P
[06:05] <unix_infidel> why not use a docklet or something?
[06:05] <Dr_willis> its never closed. :)
[06:06] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: you spend too much time in X good sir.
[06:06] <Dr_willis> actually i think i installed several kde dock applets today - lets see if that was  there
[06:06] <morghanphoenix> you keep the cache on in ff?
[06:06] <Dr_willis> too much time on IRC..
[06:06] <unix_infidel> that too.
[06:06] <mini_gamer1896> hehe
[06:07] <Dr_willis> hmm... dont see any weather applets for the panel.
[06:07] <morghanphoenix> console logins for MUDding pleasures
[06:07] <Dr_willis> seen some SuperKaramba apps for it
[06:07] <morghanphoenix> Ooh, and I like lynx
[06:08] <morghanphoenix> Only thing superkaramba does on my system is keep that system monitor up.
[06:08] <morghanphoenix> lol
[06:08] <morghanphoenix> baud, that's been a while
[06:08] <morghanphoenix> I mis my overnight downloads for text files.
[06:09] <morghanphoenix> Why'd they have to go and give me DSL?
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[06:09] <mini_gamer1896> hey, some of us have ready access to T1
[06:09] <mini_gamer1896> or above
[06:10] <morghanphoenix> Like the slowskis from those comcast comercials
[06:10] <NamShub> hmm would s/dapper/edgy in sources.list work or is it more complicated than that?
[06:10] <morghanphoenix> That'd be nice, I can get them at school or the library, but there's so many people on those networks my DSL is faster.
[06:11] <[-KaSatKa-] > WHat music players have visualizations?
[06:11] <morghanphoenix> Windows Media Player?
[06:11] <[-KaSatKa-] > For linux
[06:11] <morghanphoenix> Sorry, that wasn't funny
[06:11] <larson9999> 3 1/4" floppies are so flaky.  the work in some drives but not others it's so bizarre
[06:12] <morghanphoenix> I want my floppy drive to automount my disks
[06:12] <[-KaSatKa-] > If you mention anything with windows in it again, i might have to kill you
[06:12] <morghanphoenix> Hey, that's the only two areas I give windows credit in
[06:12] <morghanphoenix> media players and games.
[06:12] <mini_gamer1896> iTunes is better
[06:13] <larson9999> i don't use windows media player even when i'm in windows
[06:13] <[-KaSatKa-] > I think linux has better media players, i'mjust looking for one that has visualizations
[06:13] <morghanphoenix> I had winamp, gotta love those skins
[06:13] <[-KaSatKa-] > And i'll have to give you games
[06:13] <[-KaSatKa-] > That's the only thing linux looses at
[06:13] <morghanphoenix> I miss UO
[06:14] <abortd> how can i change the size of the text inside of windows with kubuntu?
[06:15] <larson9999> i'm plenty happy with linux and games these days
[06:15] <Dr_willis> "SecondLife" has a linux client now. :P
[06:15] <mini_gamer1896> abortd: have you checked the forums?
[06:15] <morghanphoenix> MMORPGs?
[06:15] <morghanphoenix> Hmm, haven't seen second life yet.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> Does Second Live really qualify as a MMORPG.. :)  its sort of... weird.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> Its free so  its fun to mess with
[06:16] <Dr_willis> and you can always spend $$ if you like it.
[06:16] <morghanphoenix> Only thing I can get to work is MUDs and RuneScape.
[06:18] <arunkale> umm i don't see fonts properly in flash
[06:18] <NamShub> hmm amarok is not in edgy?
[06:18] <larson9999> i always wonder about the linux user and games.  is he willing to pay what he does for games in windows and complaining because there aren't many commercial options?  is he comparing the free games in windows to the free games in linux?
[06:18] <morghanphoenix> My girl wants kubuntu on her computer but her school's website doesn't support it.
[06:19] <mini_gamer1896> does it support opera?
[06:19] <morghanphoenix> Nope, I wanna buy Linux games.
[06:19] <mini_gamer1896> konquerer is pretty limited
[06:19] <morghanphoenix> I do very much prefer the free linux games to the free windows equivilants.
[06:20] <morghanphoenix> I can't spell
[06:20] <arunkale> How do I get fonts to display properly in Flash? Arial is displaying as Times New Roman for me
[06:20] <knapper> Does anyone know how I can install this package: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kwin-baghira ? Maybe through a repository?
[06:20] <boris55> schools web site won't display in firefox?
[06:20] <morghanphoenix> Nope
[06:20] <arunkale> knapper: just do a sudo apt-get install baghira
[06:20] <morghanphoenix> IE specific
[06:20] <arunkale> !baghira
[06:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about baghira - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:21] <morghanphoenix> At least she can log on in Opera
[06:21] <knapper> arunkale, im trying to get the baghira sidebar in konquerer, but it is only working the unstable version.
[06:21] <larson9999> i like linux because i can do everything with a free program.  i'm not planning to pay for personal use software ever again.  or charge for it for that matter. except for donations
[06:21] <arunkale> ah
[06:21] <knapper> working in the unstable version
[06:21] <mini_gamer1896> morg: *sigh*
[06:21] <mini_gamer1896> there are ways to get the older versions of ie to run under wine
[06:22] <morghanphoenix> Just won't let her into the classrooms
[06:22] <boris55> public university?
[06:22] <knapper> arunkale, do you know if there is a repository that contains that version (unstable)?
[06:22] <morghanphoenix> Yeah
[06:22] <arunkale> no, i dont know
[06:23] <abortd> how can i change the size of the text inside of windows with kubuntu?
[06:23] <boris55> I hate that. my stock broker only supported IE and now they support firefox.
[06:23] <boris55> i fooled them by telling konq to announce itself as ie 6. worked.
[06:24] <morghanphoenix> She goes to school online, says it needs Win2k and IE6.
[06:24] <larson9999> win2k?  not just win?
[06:24] <morghanphoenix> I should set opera to do that for her schools page only and see if it works.
[06:25] <morghanphoenix> I think that's just for the classes that have software, hers are all web based so I think it's just win for her.
[06:25] <larson9999> you can try ie4linux.  that works on quite a few sites for me.
[06:25] <boris55> I would find a whole mess of people and complain. LOUDLY
[06:25] <arunkale> anyone? fonts in flash?
[06:25] <boris55> maybe you need to add windows fonts to your system.
[06:26] <mini_gamer1896> ie in linux here
[06:26] <mini_gamer1896> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=206833
[06:26] <morghanphoenix> Her school's in bellevue, right next to redmond, think it's a conspiracy.
[06:26] <mini_gamer1896> can't test it right now due to processing power/time
[06:27] <knapper> can anyone tell me if there is such a thing has a kubuntu unstable repository? I'm looking for a repo that contains the unstable version of kwin-baghira.
[06:27] <larson9999> mini_gamer1896, what do you mean older?  ie6 runs fine
[06:28] <knapper> arunkale, check and see if you have 'gsfonts-x11' and then dpkg-reconfigure gsfonts-x11
[06:28] <mini_gamer1896> larson, sry, looked earlier today myself and caught a different bunch of pages
[06:29] <romeo__> well ifinaaly figured out how to get my logitech webcam working
[06:29] <boris55> on kubuntu? do tell.
[06:29] <romeo__> install jasper and jasper runtime et voila
[06:30] <morghanphoenix> I'm working on getting my wintv card running
[06:30] <arunkale> knapper: Yeah, it's installed, how do I reconfigure it properly?
[06:31] <romeo__> i t in adept all ready
[06:31] <morghanphoenix> Anybody ever tried MythTV?
[06:32] <romeo__> open kopete and go to device and you ll see your ugly face
[06:32] <romeo__> i saw my ugly face
[06:33] <romeo__> scared me at first
[06:33] <romeo__> but i m getting used to it
[06:33] <mini_gamer1896> whoa!
[06:34] <morghanphoenix> It'd scare me if I saw my face on the computer screen
[06:34] <mini_gamer1896> just found a free MS support tele #
[06:34] <arunkale> knapper: dpkg-reconfigure gsfonts-x11 didnt help
[06:34] <arunkale> maybe i should restart x?
[06:35] <romeo__> well goodnight all and to all a goodnight
[06:36] <Admiral_Chicago> mini_gamer1896, can i have it
[06:37] <flaccid> what can i use to scan fat partitions for badblocks
[06:37] <flaccid> i guess badblocks directly this time
[06:38] <travioso> everytime i install something in adept, when i view package with dpkg say can't connect to x-server / vid problems..  any simple fix to that?
[06:39] <flaccid> travioso : pastebin the error
[06:40] <mini_gamer1896> admiral_chicago, one min
[06:42] <mini_gamer1896> admiral_chicago, ok, this for at least ie7 | 1-866-876-4926
[06:43] <mini_gamer1896> and i can't guarentee that it's totally free either
[06:43] <mini_gamer1896> sryy
[06:44] <travioso> alright..  gimme a minute..
[06:46] <mdr> OMG!  Fresh install, the  "open terminal here" is missing from the right click menu in the konqueror file browser.  Boy, I miss this one, how do I get that sucker back.
[06:48] <lebifteksauvage> last beta is awesome
[06:49] <lebifteksauvage> faster and major bugs go away
[06:53] <travioso> actually, regarding the video problem, i think i accidentally installed an ATI driver for an Intel videocard (on board Dell)
[06:54] <travioso> X lags alot.  on a 2.2ghz celeron
[06:56] <travioso> part of the easyubuntu package.
[07:02] <pedro> kde brasil
[07:02] <pedro> algum canal do kde pra brasileiros??
[07:03] <pedro> kubuntu-br
[07:14] <travioso> how can i change KDE's video driver?
[07:20] <notech> its not kde's, its the X driver. you can run drakx11 as root
[07:20] <notech> probably something in kcontrol somewhere though to do it
[07:21] <notech> heh, ignore my first response. forgot which channel i was in. sorry.
[07:33] <arunkale> my fonts dont show properly in flash, i have gsfonts-x11 installed
[07:40] <Arlington> Hi! I'am new here som i might aswell present myself. Jonas, 22, Gothenburg/Sweden
[07:40] <Arlington> I need help on running/installing from the live cd.
[07:40] <nixternal> hiya Arlington!  Welcome to Kubuntu! We are glad to have you here!
[07:41] <nixternal> i can see if I can help, even though I haven't installed from a LiveCD in a long time
[07:42] <Arlington> well it's not really live cd connected i think. i bott my cd and it works fine. the kernel is loaded and when kubuntu is trying to start X it gives me the atal error "no screens"
[07:42] <Arlington> i have tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver x-org
[07:43] <Arlington> configuring booth with vesa and vga as graphicscard. because i read in the forums about problems with ati graphics.
[07:46] <arunkale> how do i rip songs to mp3s
[07:46] <arunkale> songs from a cd
[07:47] <Arlington> nixternal?
[07:47] <nixternal> sorry
[07:47] <nixternal> i have all kinds of things going on here, lagging like crazy
[07:48] <nixternal> what card do you have, video card?
[07:48] <nixternal> i am using an ATI Radeon 8500, and never had an issue of that sort
[07:49] <Arlington> ati radeon x800gt well when it says no screen maybe it's my flatscreen with dvi connection that is the problem?
[07:49] <nixternal> no, because im using the same here
[07:49] <nixternal> !paste
[07:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:49] <nixternal> see that link?
[07:50] <nixternal> i want you to paste the contents of the following there, and then give me the link after you submit
[07:50] <nixternal>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:50] <Blacken> Is there a problem with the Kubuntu 6.10 beta liveCD installer? It pinwheels once I select a city/timezone, but never progresses.
[07:51] <Arlington> what is it that you want me to paste? :-)
[07:51] <nixternal> it is your xorg log..it is located ->          /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:51] <nixternal> are you familiar with konsole and the command line?
[07:52] <Arlington> i haven't installed kubuntu so how i'am i to paste and the bring it up in windows?
[07:52] <Arlington> :-)
[07:52] <nixternal> gotcha
[07:52] <Blacken> Is there a problem with the Kubuntu 6.10 beta liveCD installer? It pinwheels once I select a city/timezone, but never progresses. Is there something I'm missing?
[07:52] <nixternal> well that log will tell me exactly why your xserver won't start
[07:52] <nixternal> Blacken: sorry, i meant to answer you...i haven't heard of any
[07:53] <Arlington> i guess it is a driver problem.
[07:53] <Blacken> nixternal: Neither have I, I STFW'd before hopping on.
[07:53] <nixternal> have you tried https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/ubiquity
[07:53] <Arlington> well it says : fatal errors: no screens :-)
[07:53] <Blacken> nixternal: Is there a way to install from command line without burning the alt-cd?
[07:53] <nixternal> i just pulled that url from my butt, so it that works ;)
[07:53] <nixternal> not with the LivecD that I know of
[07:53] <nixternal> which is kind of crazy if you ask me
[07:53] <Blacken> Arlington: 'no screens' probably means it doesn't recognize your heads--your video card.
[07:54] <nixternal> x800gt shouldn't have a problem i wouldtn't think with a dapper disk
[07:54] <Zaire> I got a big problem I broke my kubuntu install by trying the edgy upgrade thing
[07:54] <Arlington> okay. but i tried to run it as vesa... didn't work
[07:54] <nixternal> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:54] <Zaire> yea
[07:54] <Blacken> nixternal: I'd agree, there should be default drivers at least...I'm running an x1300 ATM and it works, albeit not widescreen.
[07:55] <Zaire> only after changing my sources over to edgy
[07:55] <Arlington> te config application i text prompt recognises the card :-/
[07:55] <nixternal> there you go..so i can bet the 800 will work just fine...i would like to see the Xorg.0.log
[07:55] <Arlington> i dunno how to get it here hough
[07:55] <Arlington> though
[07:55] <Zaire> Im running the live dvd at the moment but I was wondering if I could access the files from my broken install from here so I could back them up
[07:55] <nixternal> i hate dist-upgrades...i hope this isn't the start of everything breaking... Zaire, let me find a residnet dist-upgrade expert, who wrote up and article earlier on it..if he is still alive
[07:56] <Blacken> This is seriously bugging me. the installer has been in a wait state for nearly ten minutes.
[07:56] <nixternal> yes Zaire, you can mount your hard drives from the livecd
[07:56] <Blacken> Zaire: You can mount the hard drives from the liveCD.
[07:56] <Zaire> how would I mount my HD
[07:56] <nixternal> Arlington: can you boot and run the livecd w/o any issues?
[07:57] <Arlington> no that is what's the problem. i can't run the llive cd...
[07:57] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:57] <Blacken> Zaire: What is the hard drive's location?
[07:57] <Arlington> i get to the menu where i choose what to do ie.  run install and so forth,
[07:57] <nixternal> does it crash out to the terminal?
[07:57] <Arlington> and after that the kernels are loading.
[07:57] <Blacken> Zaire: In /dev, I mean.
[07:57] <Zaire> Im unsure I just go by defaults since I only have 1 drive
[07:57] <nixternal> man..i don't think you can log into the terminal with the live cd can you
[07:57] <Blacken> Zaire: SATA, SCSI, or ATA?
[07:57] <Blacken> nixternal: Yeah you can.
[07:57] <Zaire> ide ata
[07:58] <nixternal> ok/...i don't use live cd's so im lost on their functions
[07:58] <Blacken> Zaire: What are the partitions looking like?
[07:58] <Blacken> nixternal: Everything works, to a degree.
[07:58] <nixternal> Arlington: when it crashes out, and you get the to the # command line, black screne with text
[07:58] <Zaire> I don't know really
[07:58] <nixternal> you would type
[07:58] <Arlington>  and then when the next screen comes up, X loading screen i assume it hangs and i use Ctrl-alt-F1
[07:58] <nixternal> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:58] <Arlington> then i use suda startx
[07:58] <nixternal> but still...you would need to install lynx
[07:58] <Zaire> my HD is a western digital 160 GB
[07:59] <Arlington> sudo startx and get the fatal error no screen
[07:59] <nixternal> Arlington: did you download the CD?
[07:59] <nixternal> 6.06.1 Dapper correct?
[07:59] <Arlington> yes and i did cd check in startu with no errors.
[07:59] <Arlington> yes the latest release.
[07:59] <Blacken> Zaire: That's irrelevant. You need to look at your partition data. What is your liveDVD version?
[07:59] <nixternal> do you ahve a good internet connection where you can download pretty fast?
[08:00] <nixternal> I would like for you to give Edgy Beta a try
[08:00] <Zaire> my DVD is Kubuntu dapper LTS 6.06
[08:00] <Zaire> i386
[08:00] <Blacken> Zaire: Good enough. Go to the KMenu, go to System, click QTParted.
[08:00] <nixternal> my DVD player is broke, either hardware broke, or Kubuntu Edgy broke
[08:01] <Zaire> ok
[08:01] <s> hi
[08:01] <Blacken> Zaire: Okay, so what do the partitions look like? /hda#?
[08:01] <s> hi all
[08:01] <nixternal> hiya s
[08:01] <Arlington> yeah pretty 100 M
[08:02] <nixternal> do you mind downloading the Edgy LiveCD and giving it a try?
[08:02] <s> can anyone tell me how to play MP3s? Amarok, Kaffeine, Totem arent playing it
[08:02] <Arlington> no i don't :-)
[08:02] <nixternal> If it works, I can pretty much promise you it is pretty darn stable, and it looks way better than Dapper ;)
[08:02] <Blacken> s: Google can, I'm not sure that we can tell you that here
[08:02] <Blacken> s: Search for Easyubuntu
[08:02] <Arlington> is it that version 6.10
[08:02] <Zaire> dunno how Im supposed to describe it
[08:02] <nixternal> Arlington: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/edgy-beta.php
[08:02] <nixternal> yes
[08:02] <nixternal> Edgy == 6.10
[08:03] <Blacken> Zaire: There should be a set of partitions there. /hda#. What number is your ext3 partition?
[08:03] <nixternal> it is sweet...all of the devs are rocking it, and I won't use anything else honestly, except for Edubuntu Edgy ;_
[08:03] <Zaire> theres an hda1 extended, hda5 etx3 active, and hda6 unknown
[08:03] <Arlington> slow server though :-/
[08:04] <Blacken> hda5 is what we were looking for.
[08:04] <Arlington> nixternal > thanks for you help so far!
[08:04] <Blacken> Zaire: open a terminal.
[08:04] <nixternal> Arlington: you could also try torrent, it was decent for me earlier
[08:04] <Zaire> k
[08:04] <nixternal> no problem Arlington, I am hoping Edgy works, as I think you will definitely like it!
[08:05] <Arlington> haven't got anytorrent software atm so i willstick with 256 kbyte/sec.
[08:05] <twa> I love it
[08:05] <Zaire> so what next
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> Zaire, sudo fdisk -l
[08:05] <Blacken> Admiral_Chicago: He's looking to save data off the disk, not scrum it (yet).
[08:05] <Arlington> i run xp now and a friend told med to try out Linux as i'am fairly well off with computers and so daren tired of windows all all viruses.
[08:06] <Arlington> how is teh support for wifi and such?
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> Blacken, that will list the partition
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> and the type of partiton
[08:06] <Blacken> Admiral_Chicago: Whoops, you're right, I didn't see the -l
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> there is a reason the -l is there
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> !wifi > Arlington
[08:07] <Blacken> Arlington: To be honest, being good at XP doesn't mean you'll be good with Linux. You'll need to learn how to STFW for problem answers, if you haven't already. :)
[08:07] <Blacken> Arlington: However, if any Linux distro's gonna do it, Ubuntu will.
[08:07] <Arlington> i was good in dosbox so to speak...
[08:07] <Zaire> linux is a whole new ball game compared to XP
[08:07] <Arlington> didn't mean good at playing and so.. more hardware related...
[08:08] <Admiral_Chicago> yea its pretty much a learning experience but I learned more that I though i would
[08:08] <Admiral_Chicago> like i didn't know a lot of fundamental ways OSes work
[08:08] <Zaire> actualy the better you are with XP prob the worse your gonna be with linux cause its toaly different lol
[08:08] <Blacken> It's not "totally different."
[08:09] <Zaire> more or less though
[08:09] <Arlington> thanks admiral chicago:-)
[08:09] <Blacken> On a level that most users of Ubuntu have to deal with, it's pretty similar.
[08:09] <Zaire> but still how to retrieve my data lol
[08:09] <Blacken> Zaire: Mount the drive and copy it somewhere.
[08:09] <Zaire> mount hda5
[08:09] <Zaire> is that it
[08:09] <Blacken> No...man mount
[08:10] <Zaire> Ive never mounted a HD before just cd
[08:10] <Blacken> (mostly because the syntax has eluded me this late)
[08:10] <Blacken> It should be "mount -t ext3 /dev/hda5 /where/to/mount
[08:10] <Blacken> I may be missing a flag or two though.
[08:11] <Linux_Galore> dont need -t anymore
[08:11] <Blacken> AUGH. Why does this installer suck so much?
[08:11] <Blacken> Seriously, this is broken.
[08:11] <DaSkreech> Does anyone have Super tuxkart?
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> Blacken, I think i do
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i do
[08:11] <Arlington> blacken > is it the 6.10 installer?
[08:11] <DaSkreech> I downloaded it at work and now I'm home apparently they deleted it from the server
[08:11] <kraut> moin
[08:11] <Blacken> Arlington: both 6.10 and 6.06 LTS, hangs and crashes at random.
[08:12] <Arlington> argh.
[08:12] <Zaire> that one you gave me didn't work and neither did a plain mount
[08:12] <Blacken> Zaire: The man page is there. Take a look, it's fresher than I am.
[08:12] <Admiral_Chicago> Blacken, I've never had that happen
[08:12] <DaSkreech> Argh this sucks :(
[08:12] <Linux_Galore> Blacken: have you disables pnp and power management in the bios
[08:12] <Linux_Galore> disabled*
[08:13] <Blacken> Linux_Galore: ...no...why would I disable BIOS management?
[08:13] <Linux_Galore> Blacken: because it can create conflicts with the kernel
[08:13] <Blacken> Linux_Galore: The kernel is running fine. The installer's what's hanging.
[08:13] <Linux_Galore> Blacken: very little in the bios is needed by the Linux kernel
[08:13] <Blacken> The liveCD installer seems to go off to lunch at random times.
[08:14] <Blacken> I click continue past a screen, and it pinwheels endlessly afterwards.
[08:14] <Linux_Galore> Blacken: just disable pnp and power
[08:14] <nixternal> that is why I don't use the LiveCD all that much..i use it at school though, as I refuse to use Fedora 2
[08:14] <Blacken> Sigh. Great Linux Development to the rescue, eh? Back in a minute...
[08:15] <Linux_Galore> was going to say i suspect power management was making the installer hang
[08:15] <Arlington> nixternal. what can i use instead? the alternate cd? the problem is that i wan't to see what i get before installing
[08:15] <Linux_Galore> but he left
[08:16] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal, FC4
[08:16] <Admiral_Chicago> err 2
[08:16] <Admiral_Chicago> man i'd refuse to use FC6
[08:16] <nixternal> Arlington: no, you are doing right by choosing the LiveCD..i ahve done thousands of installs, so i am familiar with text-based installs
[08:16] <Arlington> :-)
[08:17] <Admiral_Chicago> text based sucks so bad
[08:17] <Arlington> haha
[08:17] <Arlington> *lol*
[08:18] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, i'm talking to a honey and i'm pretty sure i could get with her...
[08:18] <Zaire> well i got it to mount something to the desktop but it wasn't my home directory by any means
[08:18] <Admiral_Chicago> but that's best saved for #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:18] <Admiral_Chicago> Zaire, what command?
[08:18] <Admiral_Chicago> like hit up in the konsole and tell me what you used
[08:18] <nixternal> hehe
[08:19] <Zaire> ubuntu@ubuntu:/dev$ sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda5 /home/ubuntu/Desktop/
[08:19] <nixternal> what directory was it?
[08:19] <Zaire> Im clueless
[08:19] <nixternal> try the other numbers till you get it ;)
[08:20] <Blacken> The installer jumped off to hyperspace again...any other suggestions?
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> Zaire, don't use -t and mount it in /mnt
[08:20] <Zaire> mnt is empy isnt it?
[08:21] <nixternal> Blacken: what are you system specs?
[08:21] <Blacken> nixternal: Inspiron E1505. 1GB RAM, Core Duo 1.66GHz. Not a hardware problem.
[08:21] <Admiral_Chicago> yes, that is where you should mount it though, mostly so you don't have to go to /home/user/Desktop
[08:21] <nixternal> because if this is something happening with 6.06 and 6.10, something is up with your hardware that it does't like
[08:21] <nixternal> well i guess not ;)
[08:21] <Admiral_Chicago> instead its /mnt/home/user or wahtever
[08:21] <Blacken> nixternal: I had Ubuntu 6.06 running, dist-upgraded from 5.10.
[08:21] <Zaire> mount: can't find /mnt/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mta
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> try this
[08:22] <Blacken> nixternal: Problem was, when I installed KDE on top, it got very very angry.
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> pastebin your fstab
[08:22] <nixternal> ok then...ubiquity is evil ;)
[08:22] <Zaire> ?
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> !paste > Zaire
[08:22] <nixternal> have you tried using an alternate cd?
[08:22] <mdr> Ok I've reinstalled dapper a couple of times but I nvidia driver doesn't work.  I'm installing nvidia-glx-dev and editing xorg.conf same as i always do.  Weird because dapper was up and running with nvidia 3D on this same box before the reinstall(s). Any ideas why it's now broke and it wasn't before?
[08:22] <Zaire> I know about pastbin but not sure what your asking me to do
[08:22] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Name? :)
[08:22] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: his fstab == bone stock, he is on a liveCD trying to mount his defunct drive
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal, good call
[08:23] <nixternal> did i miss something?
[08:23] <Admiral_Chicago> same thing with /mnt
[08:23] <Admiral_Chicago> no it was i that was lacking
[08:23] <Admiral_Chicago> mdr, is that the correct driver
[08:23] <Blacken> Hunh? When did ReiserFS support go out of Kubuntu?
[08:23] <Zaire> I deff missed something lol
[08:23] <Admiral_Chicago> !nvidia > mdr
[08:23] <mdr> i believe it is
[08:23] <nixternal> DaSkreech: name? ahahhahaha
[08:23] <Admiral_Chicago> check it out
[08:23] <nixternal> i just got it
[08:23] <nixternal> Foofy Foofy
[08:23] <nixternal> ;)
[08:23] <DaSkreech> Not Fooly?
[08:23] <nixternal> lol no
[08:24] <nixternal> Flatulating Foxhound
[08:24] <nixternal> JR was just messing with us earlier I htink
[08:24] <Zaire> k Im not 100% clueless about linux...its mainly just when it breaks on me
[08:24] <mdr> why wouldn't it be?  Its not listed as a legacy on the wiki page and I need the dev package to compile bzflag later
[08:24] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Stupid SuperTuxKart :(
[08:25] <nixternal> hahahaha
[08:25] <Blacken> What the--the installer got to partitioning, this time, before hyperspacing...
[08:25] <Admiral_Chicago> Zaire, ignore what i said about fstab or pastebin
[08:25] <nixternal> mdr: what card do you have?  sorry for not scrolling up to find out
[08:26] <Zaire> so long as I can recover my 1.3 gigs of data lol
[08:26] <vega-> any idea why i have to do chmod a+rw /dev/sg0 to be able to burn with k3b as normal user? (dapper/edgy)
[08:26] <Blacken> Zaire: Where exactly do you plan to store that data?
[08:26] <unix_infidel> anyone know if a domain registrar will let you have subdomains at no cost?
[08:26] <mdr> FX 5200 generic
[08:26] <vega-> shouldn't have to do this
[08:26] <Zaire> DVD or my ftp depends on which works best lol
[08:26] <Zaire> or at all lol
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> mdr, same as me
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> mine works perfect
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> even on XG?
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> XGL
[08:27] <nixternal> vega-: sudo dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord
[08:27] <nixternal> thens elect no
[08:27] <nixternal> try that
[08:27] <mdr> mine used too  on this same box
[08:27] <Blacken> Zaire: I'm not sure how well you can burn a DVD under the liveDVD...especially when you're using your drive to run the DVD. :p
[08:27] <Zaire> thats the tricky part lol
[08:27] <Zaire> I hope my ftp is up to it
[08:29] <Blacken> Hmm, the partitioner finally got its act together.
[08:29] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) && sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:29] <cpk2> Zaire: if you have another computer like a laptop together you could easily back up the data to the laptop via a crossover cable
[08:29] <nixternal> i think that is the funky nvidia command i use to get my driver working
[08:29] <mdr> ah
[08:29] <nixternal> actually..let me check my other system
[08:29] <mdr> ok
[08:29] <Zaire> nope don't have a laptop jut my kubuntu server
[08:30] <Zaire> to get nvidia working you need to sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx then once you have that type sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[08:30] <ZeeO> hey how come when i try to set up kismet it can't find Gcc?
[08:30] <ZeeO> fresh kubuntu install
[08:30] <ZeeO> do i need to setup gcc
[08:30] <ZeeO> ?
[08:31] <Healot> yup
[08:31] <cpk2> !gcc
[08:31] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[08:32] <Healot> install build-essential if you need the compiler toolchain
[08:32] <Zaire> so how do I get my data then :S
[08:32] <mdr> I did those things (sort of)  I installed the nvidia-glx-dev  instead and the sudo... enable barfed so I just edited xorg.conf manually
[08:32] <Zaire> enable is only for glx
[08:33] <nixternal> mdr: do the ->    sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) && sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:33] <nixternal> when that is done
[08:33] <nixternal> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[08:33] <nixternal> restart x and you will be good
[08:33] <mdr> cool
[08:33] <Zaire> my server has an FX5200 in it
[08:33] <mdr> can i still do the dev package though?
[08:33] <cpk2> mdr: do you have the correct "nv" or "nvidia" whichever you are supposed to be using in xorg
[08:34] <nixternal> you can add the dev package after nvidia-glx
[08:34] <mdr> k
[08:34] <nixternal> i don't think the dev package depends on the nvidia-glx package
[08:34] <Arlington> well thanks all i'am off to school. gonna try the edgy install tonite(to my girlfriends big dissapoitnment :-))
[08:34] <Admiral_Chicago> Zaire, try changing the directory
[08:35] <Zaire> ?
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> do a sudo umount /dev/hda#
[08:35] <Zaire> k
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> and remount but don't use /home/user/desktop
[08:35] <mdr> ok i did those things "nvidia-glx is already the newest version" and sudo nvidia-glx-config enable didn't produce any error(s)
[08:36] <Zaire> it won't let me mount it
[08:36] <Blacken> Ugh. This thing needs to finish. I want to go to bed.
[08:36] <mdr> nixternal:  I'll hold my breath and restart x.
[08:37] <Blacken> Does 6.10 have the new writable ntfs driver?
[08:37] <nixternal> it should work just fine..i just did here on my edubuntu machine and it worked
[08:37] <nixternal> i just need to shut of the nvidia splash
[08:38] <nixternal> someone explain why my gf4 mx440 fps > ati radeon 8500 fps
[08:38] <ZeeO> .
[08:38] <Zaire> dunno but without the directory added to the end of that mount command its useless
[08:39] <Arlington> *gone*
[08:41] <Blacken> Does anyone have a quick and dirty grub.lst entry handy for a generic Windows boot? For some reason, the installer isn't seeing mine.
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> Zaire, no use like /home/user/Newfolder
[08:41] <vega-> any ideas why i'm able to change screen resolution with one user on my laptop but not with another on the same machine
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> create a new folder
[08:42] <vega-> both users are in same groups
[08:42] <nixternal> im guessing mdr didn't have any luck
[08:42] <nixternal> he has been gone for 5 minutes on a xserver restart
[08:42] <vega-> using kde system settings
[08:43] <Zaire> its shows the same files in the directory
[08:44] <lownoma925> Is there any way to have some applications auto start when the machine boots?
[08:44] <DaSkreech> !seen noisemo
[08:44] <ubotu> I haven't seen noisemo recently
[08:44] <DaSkreech> :-(
[08:44] <DaSkreech> lownoma925: On boot or on login?
[08:44] <Zaire> this is whats in the directory http://pastebin.ca/185700
[08:44] <lownoma925> login, sorry
[08:45] <DaSkreech> !autostart
[08:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autostart - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:45] <DaSkreech> >_<
[08:45] <DaSkreech> lownoma925: Put the script etc in the folder /.kde/Autostart
[08:45] <lownoma925> alright
[08:45] <sakitel> hi
[08:46] <sakitel> ndiswrapper help?
[08:46] <Admiral_Chicago> what do the files look like
[08:46] <Admiral_Chicago> ah nevermind i see the pastebin
[08:46] <sakitel> i have an error when  i try to use "modprobe ndiswrapper".....
[08:46] <sakitel> i have an error when  i try to use "modprobe ndiswrapper".....
[08:47] <mdr> ack dont think the nvidia driver install worked got error messages after ctr alt backspace.
[08:47] <halt> i have an error when  i try to use "modprobe ndiswrapper".....
[08:47] <halt> i have an error when  i try to use "modprobe ndiswrapper".....
[08:48] <Zaire> I need the part of my HD partition that contains the home directories
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> Zaire, whats the problem that you can't get it back?
[08:49] <Zaire> I changed the sources.list to edgy and following an ubuntu site and it killed my install
[08:50] <Zaire> the HD and files are still intact I just can't get a GUI or anything much else to work
[08:50] <Zaire> and last I checked everytime I tried to transfer a file to my ftp it kept telling me failed to change directory :S
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> can you boot?
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> i mean to the failsafe terminal?
[08:52] <Zaire> not really I think best I might possibly be able to manage is a recovery boot
[08:53] <Zaire> Im not even sure I can get a recover console
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> Zaire, did you do a fsck
[08:53] <Zaire> don't even know what that is :S
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> file system check
[08:54] <Zaire> ah umm nope
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> might want to try that
[08:54] <Zaire> have no idea even how to
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> can you get into the log in screen?
[08:55] <Zaire> ummm if you mean a GUI login that would be impossible
[08:55] <Zaire> cli at best
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> no i get that part
[08:55] <halt> i have an error when  i try to use "modprobe ndiswrapper".....
[08:55] <halt> i have an error when  i try to use "modprobe ndiswrapper".....
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> but if you can get to the login screen you can choose sessions and if you pick failsafe terminal you can do some edits there
[08:56] <Zaire> seriously I can only boot to the boot loader and select the recovery kernel thats how bad its broken :S
[08:57] <Zaire> the others are there but their useless right now
[08:58] <gratis> after full update i can`t connect to the internet
[08:59] <gratis> i installed connection one more time but this didnn`t help
[08:59] <Zaire> if Im being frustrating I appologise its just the first time Ive attempted to retrieve data after killing my install like this
[09:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Zaire, can you use an older kernel
[09:00] <s> hi
[09:00] <ZeeO> .
[09:00] <gratis> what i did wrong? i can use kernel *26 but the internet isn`t working here too
[09:00] <Zaire> I have 2 sets in the bootloader list yea but as far as Ive seen the normal boot kernel doesn't work for either
[09:01] <Admiral_Chicago> only 2. one recovery, the other non-recovery?
[09:01] <Zaire> yea I have 2 sets of them the older kernel and the newer one for dapper
[09:01] <Zaire> 2 recovery and 2 non
[09:02] <Admiral_Chicago> did you try the other ones?
[09:02] <Zaire> the old non-recovery yep it was a no gor
[09:04] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm thats really really odd
[09:04] <Zaire> yea I thought so to lol
[09:04] <Admiral_Chicago> Zaire, you could try the forums...
[09:05] <Zaire> ummm how do you send a directory via ftp and why would my ftp server give me this message: Faled to change directory
[09:05] <Zaire> failed*
[09:05] <Admiral_Chicago> i have no idea, i don't do very much networking
[09:07] <Zaire> another wierd thing apt-get -f install doesn't even work to remove the packages causing the problem
[09:09] <Zaire> I tried using dpkg -r to remove them manually but I could only get 3 of them
[09:09] <Zaire> the others it said didn't exist oddly enough
[09:09] <dhq> how do i run my c++ programs
[09:09] <dhq> !c++
[09:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about c++ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:10] <dhq> !g++
[09:10] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[09:10] <gratis> ok. i have to install kubuntu on other computer, it has 160GB HDD. i need help in what way i should give place to linux partitions- (130GB for 1 linux, 15GB for 2 linux- only for getting support etc., 15GB for windows)
[09:11] <cpk2> gratis: i am trying to think of how to partition my desktop as well =\
[09:11] <Admiral_Chicago> Zaire, try asudo ptitde purge
[09:12] <gratis> who can help me and cpk2? :)
[09:12] <cpk2> =)
[09:12] <Zaire> k brb Im gonna try that
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> gratis, use a program to in Windows to partion the 15gb
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> then install kubuntu
[09:12] <dhq> how do i run my c++ programs  and compile it
[09:13] <Admiral_Chicago> use QTparted for the rest of the stuff
[09:14] <gratis> Amiral_Chicago so on free HDD install windows on 15GB? i would rather place linux1 on the 1st place
[09:15] <gratis> and just left 15gb for linux 2 and 15gb for windows
[09:16] <gratis> but how to place 2 linuxes on one hdd, that they will not share any partition?
[09:16] <cpk2> are there any other all in one messenger clients besides gaim and kopete?
[09:17] <gratis> cpk2 i use psi
[09:17] <mdr> I uninstalled nvidia-glx and reinstalled. Then "nvidia-glx-config enable" didn't complain at all but its not change "nv" to "nvidia" in xorg.conf.  Also still no splash screen on reboot.
[09:18] <cpk2> i've been trying kopete but it keeps on acting up it seems
[09:20] <mdr> Isn't that enable command  supposed to change "nv" to "nvidia" in xorg.conf?  It didn't.  Also I don't understand why nvidia-glx, reinstalled an old kernel I'd already uninstalled.
[09:21] <cpk2> mdr: did you set splashscreen to true or whatever?
[09:21] <cpk2> also are you using the right setting "nv" or "nvidia" whichever drivers you got
[09:23] <mdr> I'm using nv, i've had several go arounds trying to install the 3d driver.  It's not working
[09:24] <Zaire> k well that bombed on me
[09:25] <Zaire> no such command asudo when I tried asudo ptitde pruge
[09:25] <Zaire> purge*
[09:25] <Admiral_Chicago> really?
[09:25] <Admiral_Chicago> no thats not righn
[09:25] <Zaire> yep
[09:25] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo aptitude purge?
[09:25] <Zaire> ah ic lol
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> spelling right?
[09:26] <Zaire> I just wrote down what you typed before lol
[09:26] <Zaire> anyway brb i'll try it again
[09:27] <inam> hi all
[09:28] <inam> im looking for a "hyperterminal" like application in kubuntu... that i can use to send AT commands to my modem
[09:32] <Arlington> hi again.
[09:32] <Arlington> nixternal?
[09:33] <abortd> http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1ur0.png can anyone tell me why the text in my Adept is bigger than all my other text?
[09:33] <cpk2> it feels really self-important?
[09:33] <abortd> well its wrong
[09:34] <inam> hi Arlington, can you please elaborate
[09:35] <cpk2> abortd: looks like kopete is bigger to me
[09:36] <Arlington> sorry wanted to talk to the user nixternal :-)
[09:36] <abortd> how is kopete bigger?
[09:36] <Arlington> well anyway i'am having problems running kubuntu through live cd...
[09:36] <cpk2> in that screenshot it looks like the kopete menu is bigger to me
[09:37] <vega-> i'm getting "error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" on EVERY command.. cannot execute anything
[09:38] <Admiral_Chicago> Arlington, try #ubuntu-chicago
[09:38] <Admiral_Chicago> thats the channel for our LoCo team
[09:38] <vega-> the strangest thing is that it is only with ONE user, on the same machine another user works perfectly
[09:38] <Admiral_Chicago> Arlington, what is so difficult?
[09:38] <vega-> any idea what file/setting in my home dir could break things this badly?
[09:40] <bmo> error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory = busted link?
[09:41] <vega-> bmo: yes, but it just concerns ONE user account
[09:41] <cfraz89> hi, anyone got aiglx going on kubuntu edgy?
[09:42] <Zaire> ok so aptitude purge worked in purgin it but I can't fix the install it would seem
[09:42] <Zaire> when I try apt-get install kubuntu-desktop or any of the others it won't work says there are broken packages
[09:43] <cpk2> dont you need to do dpkg-reconfigure or something?
[09:44] <cpk2> or apt-get install -f
[09:44] <bmo> if there is a "libc" link, either hard or soft, that really doesn't point to anywhere and the user's home directory is in the path, you would get that, vega, but the question is, why would someone make a libc.so.6 link in a home dir?
[09:44] <Zaire> -f install does nothing cause apt isn't being blocked by a broken package
[09:44] <vega-> bmo: someone hasn't, i know, it's my account :)
[09:45] <vega-> this is edgy fresh install with my old home dir
[09:45] <vega-> so there must be something silly in the home dir
[09:45] <benjamin> Hello guys. I am looking to get the composite thing of KDE to work on my box. I mean no XGL just shadows and stuff. I have an ATI 9600.
[09:45] <vega-> bmo: because if i create a new user it works just fine
[09:46] <Zaire> so how do I fix this problem :S
[09:47] <cpk2> Zaire: i think there is also a dpkg command that tries to fix brokeness?
[09:47] <Zaire> would be nice if I knew it :S
[09:48] <Zaire> ummmm that would break it worse I think
[09:49] <benjamin> reinstall it using dpkg ;)
[09:49] <vega-> bmo: yes done some googling also, but couldn't find anything useful
[09:49] <Zaire> is that even possible and how
[09:49] <cpk2> Zaire: dpkg-reconfigure -a i think
[09:49] <abortd> http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1ur0.png can anyone help me with why adept managers fonts are larger than all other programs?
[09:50] <Zaire> theres a command dpkg --configure -a I know that much
[09:50] <benjamin> just find apt.deb , keep it in a safe place. pat-get remove apt , dpkg -i apt.deb
[09:51] <mdr> Biving up on the nvidia  3d drive.  The attempt has foo barred my sound, it was working 1 hour ago.. Now kmix will always list the nvidia onboard sound (which i dont use) intstead of the SBLive (which i do use).  What to do?
[09:51] <Zaire> removing apt won't do any good if its a package dependency thats broken for the desktop managers
[09:52] <benjamin> abortd: to me, all your programs have too large fonts
[10:00] <jerezwer> yop
[10:03] <bmo> vega, this is a guess, because if it's every command giving you that error, it's actually bash that is doing it, isn't it?  what happens if you delete your .profile?
[10:03] <bmo> or rename it
[10:04] <mdr> Can someone help me with sound, it was working a bit ago but not now.  I've got 2 sound cards, one on board (nvidia) and also an SBLive which I use.
[10:04] <bmo> mdr: get your mobo manual out and jumper-out the onboard sound
[10:05] <bmo> unless you actually need 2 sound cards
[10:05] <mdr> i think i tried that and the sound would always get detected anyway
[10:07] <Arlington> admiral chicago---> no luck...
[10:08] <mdr> kubuntu (Dapper) worked great with sound and video (3D) for 3 weeks on this very box.  Now, after many tries and several reinstalls, I  can't get either to work.  Very strange.
[10:08] <mdr> Nothing has changed
[10:08] <mdr> Except the OS...
[10:10] <bmo> I know this is a stupid question, but is one simply muted?
[10:10] <bmo> ask the obvious
[10:11] <vega-> bmo: problem solved
[10:11] <Arlington> sighs. kubuntu dosn't like me.
[10:11] <bmo> what was it, vega?
[10:11] <vega-> bmo: i had a LD_LIBRARY_PATH in .bashrc because of an oracle client installation
[10:11] <bmo> aha!
[10:12] <Arlington> some one who can help me get the live cd to launch?
[10:12] <vega-> yes :)
[10:13] <Arlington> someone?
[10:13] <johan__> hiii
[10:13] <bmo> arlington - this will sound like a troll on this chan, but knoppix wipes the floor with ubuntu when it comes to live linux cd's.  I used 5.0 last weekend, and it was...coool...
[10:14] <bmo> rescued 2 machines with it.
[10:14] <bmo> I was happy.
[10:14] <Arlington> i'am not intrested in further using the live cd jus wanna see whati'am about ot install...?
[10:14] <Arlington> to
[10:15] <Arlington> i'am new to linux and therfor a bit scetchy about the compatibility abd such,,,
[10:16] <Zaire> umm windows compatibility is very limited
[10:16] <bmo> arlington: then the only solution is to simply try it and see what breaks.
[10:16] <bmo> you can't tell ahead of time if you will have problems.  also, remember that this is no longer 10 years ago and plenty of stuff works now
[10:17] <Arlington> well. how can i install it when it must boot through live cd to get to the install program?
[10:18] <mdr> I think thie asus board has ac97 audio and there is no jumper to disable it.  It seems like i tried to in the bios but that didn't hide it from windows or kubuntu
[10:19] <Arlington> well. how can i install it when it must boot through live cd to get to the install program?
[10:20] <bmo> arlington: what exactly is the problem?  no X?  no boot from CD?
[10:22] <Arlington> well. i get to teh menu where i choose to run/install kubuntu, it loads in the kernel... then i think X is supposed to start but it dosn't just sits there with a progress bar and the kubuntu logo. i hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 and try "sudo startx" error is EE no devices and further down. fatal error no screens
[10:23] <Arlington> i then configure the xsrver x-org
[10:23] <Arlington> no result :-(
[10:23] <bmo> have you tried plain-vanilla ubuntu?
[10:24] <Arlington> no... i'am tottaly nOOb  in linu :-/
[10:25] <bmo> wait, you're not installing from the desktop?
[10:25] <Arlington> what do u mean?
[10:26] <bmo> you don't get to the desktop at all?
[10:26] <Arlington> no exactly
[10:28] <Arlington> :-(
[10:28] <bmo> oh!
[10:29] <bmo> it could be an apic problem!
[10:29] <cpk2> Arlington: what about safe mode?
[10:29] <Arlington> nope. safe mode dosn't work either my screen just goes turns off
[10:30] <bmo> hit f6 on the splash screen to get a prompt containing the parameters ...noapic nolapic kernel parameter
[10:31] <Arlington> okay what am i supposed to choose?
[10:31] <bmo> noapic
[10:32] <Arlington> okay brb
[10:33] <zolar> i have a question on kubuntu?
[10:33] <bmo> hmm...and if it's not that, when he comes back, I'll tell him noapci too.
[10:34] <bmo> yes zolar?
[10:34] <zolar> is it ia very stable platform compaired to ubuntu.
[10:34] <bmo> it's the same platform, zolar
[10:34] <sloe> its same platform
[10:34] <bmo> it just has kde
[10:34] <Zaire> yes kde is better lol
[10:34] <benjamin> ubuntu dapper release was pretty bad. kubuntu looks more cmplete to me
[10:35] <bmo> ubuntu to kubuntu --> apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[10:35] <sloe> you can install ubuntu the add the kde packages and it turns into kubuntu
[10:35] <zolar> it does not seen to like have both gnome and kde loaded at the same time though
[10:36] <bmo> no, it eschews gnome
[10:36] <bmo> for those of us who don't use it.
[10:36] <benjamin> bmo > i know. but the kde-desktop is better than the gnome-desktop . gnome-desktop doesnt work properly ;)
[10:36] <sloe> i agree i uninsralled gnome after got kde installed
[10:37] <benjamin> hey by the way, cant u guys tell me how to make the kde compiz thing to work ? to get shadows and stuff ?
[10:38] <bmo> benjamin, I have done that, and I've always gone back to no shadows, etc. heh.
[10:38] <bmo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=127090
[10:39] <bmo> rehi mdr
[10:39] <benjamin> bmo : i have an old laptop. with a i855GM. i added one repo, upgraded, and i have AIGLX working perfectly, with video and stuff. I dont understand why i cant do that on my kubuntu desktop with an ATI 9600 256 MB
[10:39] <sloe> install the ati package
[10:40] <mdr> bmo: rehi?
[10:40] <bmo> yes, you have to skip past the nvidia stuff on the link I gave.
[10:40] <rideout> benjamin: AIGLX is not supported on those ati cards, i think
[10:40] <bmo> rehi = hello again
[10:41] <benjamin> rideout: no its not supported ;)
[10:41] <benjamin> bmo: thats not what i am looking for.
[10:41] <bmo> oh, ok benjamin
[10:41] <mdr> bmo can you give me the link again?  I got sound working.  Just disabled the on board in the bios, theres no jumperon this A7N8X-E Asus.
[10:42] <benjamin> bmo: i just want the damn shadows integrated in KDE, no XGL
[10:42] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon, you emailed me about my bug...
[10:42] <bmo> what, the fake shadows?
[10:42] <imbrandon> Admiral_Chicago, i do that many many times a day, lol what bug ?
[10:42] <Admiral_Chicago> Konqueror User Agent being incorrect
[10:43] <rideout> benjamin: the kwin shadow stuff requires composite to be enabled
[10:43] <benjamin> bmo: no, real shadows, made by the graphic card, and supported by kde. there is the option in system > desktop
[10:43] <imbrandon> i a closed the ticket on LP yes ( that inturn emails you )
[10:43] <Admiral_Chicago> yup
[10:43] <rideout> benjamin: the usually you can have composite or 3d dri supoort on ati cards, but not both
[10:43] <benjamin> rideout: i tried that. X wont start for some reason.
[10:43] <Zaire> I still can't touch my data
[10:43] <bmo> oh, those.  you have to enable compositing
[10:43] <AbortD> hm
[10:43] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon, ayways i'm off to bed its 4 AM here
[10:44] <imbrandon> yup 4am here too, gnight all
[10:44] <rideout> benjamin: try it agian and pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file
[10:45] <Torched> how do i make kubuntu lock our the desktop as it would in windows or something like that
[10:45] <Torched> when it goes into standby
[10:45] <Zaire> would it be possible for me to access the fragged install from another install on a diff HD?
[10:45] <benjamin> rideout ............ ok. see you around soon. i dont have a cli IRC client
[10:46] <mdr> bmo any ideas on getting the 3d driver to work?  nvidia-glx-config enable seems to have no effect and if i manually edit xorg.conf ("nv" to "nvidia")  I get freeze ups.
[10:46] <Zaire> would it be possible for me to access the fragged install from another install on a diff HD?
[10:48] <en1gma> sup all
[10:48] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon, did you notice xubuntu hasn't been released
[10:49] <Admiral_Chicago> the beta that is
[10:49] <Admiral_Chicago> you're in bed as so am I
[10:49] <Admiral_Chicago> later all
[10:49] <en1gma> im reading this guide "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto" this section "Installing Ubuntu into the RAID Array" there is a question i have about "I used the LiveCD to boot up" what is he talking about
[10:50] <en1gma> which live cd
[10:51] <bmo> mdr: for the screen driver settings, I always fall back on this
[10:51] <bmo> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:52] <en1gma> can someone tell me what he is talking about
[10:52] <en1gma> in my prev Q
[10:52] <en1gma> The standard LiveCDs and Alternative install CDs do not yet contain support for fakeRAID. I used the LiveCD to boot up, and used the package manager to download the dmraid package from the universe repository (enable the "Universe" source in the settings of Synaptic or by editing /etc/apt/sources.lst)
[10:53] <Zaire> would it be possible for me to access the fragged install from another install on a diff HD?
[10:53] <benjamin> hey i am backk ill pastebin some stuff
[10:54] <en1gma> im trying to follow this guide (kinda complicated to me anyhow) so if someone could take a sec and enlighten me i would be happy
[10:54] <bmo> en1gma, KINDA complicated? it _is_ complicated
[10:54] <en1gma> yea i want to be carefull
[10:55] <en1gma> i have alot of data i dont want to loose
[10:55] <en1gma> lose*
[10:55] <Zaire> I have 1.3 gigs Im trying to retrieve from my drive
[10:55] <bmo> then experiment on a test machine.
[10:55] <en1gma> i dont have a test machine...thats why im being carefull
[10:56] <bmo> then unless you have the data backed up, don't do it, en1gma
[10:56] <en1gma> here is what im getting at. what is he using as the live cd cause in his very own sentance he says "The standard LiveCDs and Alternative install CDs do not yet contain support for fakeRAID"
[10:56] <Zaire> if your talking about swaping from dapper to edgy without using a fresh install trust me don't
[10:57] <bmo> what's there to not understand, en1gma
[10:57] <benjamin> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25146/
[10:57] <bmo> it's not on the cds
[10:57] <en1gma> what live cd is he using
[10:57] <Zaire> I did and Im only running cause Im using the live cd due to fraggin my install
[10:57] <bmo> he uses apt-get to get the software
[10:57] <en1gma> apt-get off of what live cd
[10:57] <en1gma> idk
[10:57] <en1gma> he says that dont work
[10:58] <en1gma> "the standard live cds"
[10:58] <bmo> en1gma, he is using the ubuntu live cd to boot with and then apt-getting the stuff he needs
[10:58] <benjamin> bmo, do you remember the name of the guy that was helping me ?
[10:58] <en1gma> im pretty freaking high right now...i read that like 10x before i realised wtf is he talking bout
[10:58] <bmo> benjamin, I can scroooool back up
[10:58] <benjamin> i killed x, so i dont have the scrolling func ;)
[10:58] <Zaire> I killed kubuntu top that lol
[10:59] <bmo> sloe, seems to be the name, benjamin
[10:59] <benjamin> sloe ?
[10:59] <en1gma> bmo for real...in that sentance he is talking like there is a standard live an alternate live cd and then there was the live cd he used
[10:59] <benjamin> bmo: strange are u sure ?
[10:59] <Zaire> his sentences are illogical captain lol
[11:00] <en1gma> crap
[11:01] <en1gma> see im not a regular kubuntu user (i used lackware off and on for 4-5years) so i dont know what all differnt versions you have (i found the 2 "standard and alternate") on the ftp
[11:01] <en1gma> but that 3rd hes talking about idlk
[11:01] <bmo> benjamin, I think so.  the one who told you that the ATI is unsupported?
[11:01] <benjamin> en1gma: i saw on a vid the ship it! stuff: there are two CDs in One. One is called Live CD, the other one just install CD. i dont know if the install one is a live CD or the "alternate" we know of
[11:01] <bmo> en1gma, the first thing you have to do is put down the doobie.
[11:01] <en1gma> its out
[11:01] <en1gma> :)
[11:02] <benjamin> bmo: the one that told me to pastebin some stuff
 benjamin: try it agian and pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file
[11:02] <bmo> konversation roolz
[11:02] <benjamin> rideout... thats it ;)
[11:03] <benjamin> rideout http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25146/
[11:03] <en1gma> benjamin yea i was thinking there was something like that cause 1 cd can be both a live cd and an install cd
[11:03] <en1gma> hmm
[11:03] <bmo> en1gma, the install cd _is_ the live cd
[11:03] <Zaire> mines both
[11:03] <rideout> benjamin: got my attention, i'm back
[11:03] <en1gma> i gonna look for his name maybe he wrote it and hes from here or #ubuntu
[11:03] <en1gma> brb
[11:04] <bmo> rofl
[11:04] <benjamin> en1gma. maybe they just ship the alternate CD just in case some people have unsupported graphic cards ?
[11:04] <Zaire> is there any chance that I could access the data on this drive from another install on a diff HD
[11:05] <en1gma> well see im at the stage where im trying to get that "live cd" hes talking about so i not sure which to dload
[11:05] <en1gma> im dloading amd64 6.10 alternate
[11:05] <en1gma> hope that is the one
[11:05] <cpk2> that is not the live cd
[11:05] <JohnFlux> Zaire: of course you can access other drives
[11:05] <benjamin> en1gma. that aint a liveCD
[11:05] <en1gma> SHIT!
[11:05] <en1gma> :)
[11:05] <cpk2> !iso
[11:05] <ubotu> To mount an .iso image: sudo mount -o loop my.iso /some/mountpoint - bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk  .iso images of Ubuntu CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com Always verify the .iso before burning, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[11:05] <bmo> zaire: my quest last weekend was to rescue stuff off of drives and burn to DVD.  knoppix and k3b were my saviour.
[11:05] <en1gma> it figures
[11:05] <en1gma> im 65% done
[11:06] <benjamin> en1gma. thats the Breezy like installer
[11:06] <en1gma> well i gonna grab it anyhow
[11:06] <Zaire> assuming I can mount the drive so I can access my home directory
[11:06] <en1gma> ohhhhh
[11:06] <benjamin> en1gma. or Debian like installer if u prefer
[11:06] <cpk2> en1gma: http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06.1/ubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[11:06] <en1gma> so that is a regular install cd like "standard" ?
[11:06] <cpk2> en1gma: that link i gave you is the 64bit iso livecd
[11:06] <benjamin> en1gma: what do u exactly want ?
[11:06] <cpk2> the livecd comes with an installer
[11:07] <Zaire> if you get the DVD version of kubuntu LTS it has both live and standard
[11:07] <en1gma> i think  ihave kubuntu 6.06
[11:07] <en1gma> already
[11:07] <rideout> benjamin: have you had x work with the fglrx drivers without composite?
[11:07] <benjamin> and what do u want ?
[11:07] <benjamin> rideout: yes
[11:07] <en1gma> i wanted to get newest as possible cause maybe there is a dmraid update
[11:08] <benjamin> en1gma: thats useless. dont do that
[11:08] <benjamin> if there is an update, u already have it ;)
[11:08] <Zaire> Ive heard that kubuntu really doesn't like to work side by side with other installs
[11:08] <bmo> en1gma: fooling around with live ...PERISHABLE...data while stoned, _and_ not proving the method on a scratch machine without backing up to other media is....not safe.
[11:08] <en1gma> alternate cd = "LVM and/or RAID partitioning;
[11:08] <benjamin> or check near your clock the update icon thing
[11:09] <benjamin> en1gma: since you have ubuntu already installed, you can do it
[11:09] <en1gma> bmo yea it will take me long time to do it prob being sober and stoned again
[11:09] <en1gma> :)
[11:09] <bmo> rofl
[11:09] <en1gma> it wont take me no 5mins
[11:09] <benjamin> you want to reinstall the entire system ?
[11:09] <benjamin> on those raid drives ?
[11:10] <en1gma> im running winxp on partition 1 and have a partition formatted for reiserfs just for linux
[11:10] <en1gma> i not gonna touch part1
[11:10] <benjamin> rideout: maybe you need my current xorg.conf ?
[11:10] <Zaire> fine i'll get out my spare drive and mess with another install till I can figure out on my own how to access my damn data
[11:10] <benjamin> en1gma: you should remove partition one. i suspect malware on it .
[11:10] <rideout> sure, that might help, i have a few ideas though
[11:10] <en1gma> HA
[11:11] <en1gma> well there is about 120GIG a data on besides windows that stop me from doing that
[11:11] <en1gma> :)
[11:11] <bmo> wtf was zaire all burnt about?
[11:12] <en1gma> god i have like (10) total distros laying around here...where is that 6.06 dvd at
[11:12] <en1gma> no names on none of em
[11:12] <bmo> and it's not backed up, en1gma?
[11:12] <en1gma> 120gigs a data i need backed up and i have just (1) dvd-rw
[11:13] <en1gma> and thats for the distro i was gonna dl
[11:13] <mioemi> hi fella
[11:13] <mioemi> s
[11:13] <mioemi> anybody know about bandwidth manager on ubuntu?
[11:13] <mioemi>  anybody know about bandwidth manager on ubuntu?
[11:13] <mioemi>  anybody know about bandwidth manager on ubuntu?
[11:13] <bmo> that's too many to burn anyway
[11:13] <benjamin> rideout: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25148/
[11:13] <bmo> use a scratch drive
[11:13] <rideout> benjamin: ok
[11:13] <en1gma> what is a scratch drive
[11:14] <bmo> another drive to write to
[11:14] <en1gma> lol
[11:14] <en1gma> 650GIG
[11:14] <bmo> an IDE drive in a USB case is a good idea
[11:14] <en1gma> noo its more then that
[11:15] <cpk2> i just spent all day backing up 300 gigs to a 400gig drive via crossover cat6
[11:15] <en1gma> yea but im a broke bitch
[11:15] <mioemi>  anybody know about bandwidth manager on ubuntu?
[11:15] <knubbe> Hello
[11:15] <en1gma> i dont have a 25cents for a cup of coffee
[11:15] <m3xican> hola
[11:15] <bmo> then don't buy weed. :-P
[11:15] <en1gma> so i have to do it with what i got
[11:15] <benjamin> bmo: yeah, but no. since your friends in pirated movies/ogg needs cant read reiserFS nor ext3, an external drive is pretty much useless
[11:15] <mioemi> I need somw info on bandwidth management on ubuntu
[11:15] <en1gma> oh well thats different ;)
[11:15] <en1gma> thats in the budget
[11:15] <en1gma> :)
[11:15] <mioemi> I need somw info on bandwidth management on ubuntu
[11:16] <mioemi> I need somw info on bandwidth management on ubuntu
[11:16] <knubbe> I fell asleep on my keyboard yesterday, and now i cant type in KDE anymore, ive tried both in firefox and in konsole. anyone who can point me in the right direction where to search for the error?
[11:16] <benjamin> !google
[11:16] <ubotu> google is a very popular search engine, http://www.google.com
[11:16] <benjamin> mioemi, there is your bot friend :)
[11:17] <en1gma> me google?
[11:17] <rideout> benjamin: running some tests...
[11:17] <en1gma> what
[11:17] <en1gma> google is my home page
[11:17] <mioemi> can somebody talk to me plz?
[11:17] <en1gma> and its not "http://www.google.com" it is "http://www.google.com/linux"
[11:17] <bmo> benjamin: real OSes don't use ntfs
[11:17] <benjamin> mioemi: u gat luck ompaul is around #ubuntu and not here ;) You would be banned by now
[11:18] <en1gma> a real os at least installs
[11:18] <en1gma> ;)
[11:18] <en1gma> i mean i cant even get damn linux to instal
[11:18] <en1gma> :)
[11:18] <benjamin> bmo: I use ReiserFS, which , by the way, is very good
[11:18] <rideout> benjamin: actually this seems to be a known issue with fglrx 8.25 Xorg 7.0, upgrade to the latest ati drivers
[11:19] <benjamin> mioemi: what do u exactlty want ?
[11:19] <bmo> and I have never had any problems ever.
[11:19] <benjamin> rideout: uh ? i installed the driver yesterday ?!!!
[11:19] <en1gma> but lucky for (me) i have used linux off and on for since 1999 and i want it bad enough to follow some guide to install it some freaked up way (and risk my windows partition) now that counts for somethign
[11:20] <rideout> the current driver is 8.29.6, you are running 8.25.18
[11:20] <Zaire> well figured it out enough to get into a Xubuntu GUI
[11:20] <benjamin> rideout: well, its the one in the repos !
[11:20] <bmo> Zaire, what was your problem, mounting drives?
[11:21] <AbortD> !restricted
[11:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:21] <Zaire> not mounting I changed the xorg so it said driver nv instead of nvidia
[11:21] <en1gma> so from this link "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto" at this paragraph "Installing Ubuntu into the RAID Array" and at this sentance "I used the LiveCD to boot up". what ftp link would you recommend for that
[11:21] <Zaire> I guess the driver got knocked off
[11:21] <bmo> mkdir foo ; mount /dev/hdb1 foo
[11:21] <rideout> benjamin: yeah, that is the latest in dapper, if you want composite to work, i think you need to upgrate the the latest driver, there are some docs in the wiki on how to do it
[11:21] <Arlington> >bmo
[11:21] <en1gma> in other words what distro
[11:22] <Arlington> i got it to work :-)
[11:22] <en1gma> or what cd to what distro
[11:22] <bmo> oh!
[11:22] <bmo> cool!
[11:22] <Zaire> anyone in here know anything network related and probs with ftp servers?
[11:22] <Arlington> but...:-/
[11:22] <Arlington> in 4-bit color 640*480 color mode.
[11:22] <mioemi> I need somw info on bandwidth management on ubuntu
[11:22] <Arlington> no good view :-/
[11:23] <Arlington> used the vga driver
[11:23] <bmo> oh, that's why
[11:24] <bmo> but it's a start
[11:24] <Arlington> couldn't use any other though...
[11:24] <bmo> you can now install, arlington
[11:24] <Arlington> anye
[11:24] <benjamin> rideout: it seems i have to update my xserver-xorg . ill try with that, if it doesnt work, ill update the graphic drivers .
[11:24] <Arlington> no. can't see the whole install winwow
[11:24] <benjamin> rideout: thx for your help
[11:24] <Arlington> window
[11:24] <bmo> the other alternative was to do the server install and then apt-get ubuntu-desktop
[11:24] <Zaire> I keep getting errors from my ftp server saying cannot create directory or error could not change directory
[11:25] <Zaire> failed to change directory rather
[11:26] <Arlington> this crap is really getting to me. i've been trying for so long :-(
[11:26] <Zaire> linux takes time and Ive put my fair share in lol
[11:26] <bmo> do you know what video driver you _should_ be using, arlington?
[11:26] <Zaire> Nvidia?
[11:26] <Arlington> rlfx i think its called
[11:27] <Arlington> or rflx
[11:27] <benjamin> fglrx ?
[11:27] <Arlington> something like that.
[11:27] <Arlington> yeah
[11:27] <Zaire> Nvidia?
[11:27] <benjamin> ATI
[11:27] <Arlington> althougg ATI
[11:27] <Arlington> radeon x800
[11:27] <benjamin> good luck.
[11:27] <Zaire> ah then nothin I can do lol
[11:28] <Zaire> if my friend was online I oculd ask him cause he uses kubuntu on his X800
[11:28] <benjamin> Arlington: whats the problem ?
[11:28] <Zaire> said it wasn't that hard to get working either
[11:28] <Arlington> well it would work if i could install it and then apt down the new driver.
[11:28] <bmo> arlington: even in the old days, if you had an ati card (Mach32) you belonged to the "driver of the week" club and called up OVER MODEM to ATI in Peterboro Ontario for OS/2, DOS and Winduhs drivers.  Ahahahahahahaahah
[11:29] <Arlington> but since the only vidoe mode that works with the live cd is vga 4bit 640*480 i can't install and i would really like to se how kubuntu looks and works before installing...
[11:29] <bmo> arlington, use the radeon driver
[11:29] <bmo> not the vga driver
[11:29] <benjamin> bmo yeah but those were good graphic cards.
[11:29] <Zaire> ummm the first computer I used linux on worked fine with ATI and the prob with ATI didn't hit till the newer distro's from mine and my friends experience
[11:29] <bmo> true, benjamin
[11:29] <Arlington> there is an ati driver but it dosnt work
[11:30] <benjamin> bmo: mach32 + voodoo2 on each pci port available :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) better than any nvidia gforce X pro gold shit ever
[11:30] <Arlington> get no screen error wich means the X can't se what head i'm on
[11:30] <Zaire> actually redhat 9 works fine with ATI but requires more work to use an Nvidia
[11:31] <Zaire> I know from personal experience on that one
[11:31] <benjamin> Arlington: hmmm.... are you sure ure monitor supports the input ?
[11:31] <gupta> Help! Dns keeps reseting!!
[11:31] <benjamin> gupta: is this on your server ?
[11:31] <Arlington> how do you mean i run it now in the same res. an dcolor dept that i wan't to use in X...
[11:31] <gupta> treid everything.. disabled ipv6, removed enable-updates files, chattr +i doesn't works
[11:32] <Hobbsee> !ssh
[11:32] <ubotu> ssh is the Secure SHell protocol (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto). Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows, which can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[11:32] <gupta> benjamin: no my interente conenction is a static ip/dns thing lan based connection
[11:32] <gupta> tried chmod -w -w -w resolv.conf.. but it still wants to reset!!
[11:33] <benjamin> Arlingtongupta: ah ! Hey if youre not talking about YOUR ubuntu based DNS server, i think you should better call your ISP ;)
[11:33] <benjamin> gupta.
[11:33] <gupta> works on windows
[11:33] <benjamin> Arlington pastebin your xorg.conf pls
[11:34] <bmo> I found the perfect chmod.   chmod 000 . (no, don't type that)
[11:34] <benjamin> gupta. i dont beleive you
[11:34] <Arlington> how can i do that i'am in windows xp now and all i try to do is run the live cd...
[11:34] <benjamin> gupta ;)
[11:34] <mioemi> I need somw info on bandwidth management on ubuntu
[11:34] <Arlington> when i choose the ati driver the error is EE no devices ----- fatal error no screen
[11:34] <benjamin> gupta i am sorry i have no idea about what that is or could be.
[11:35] <Arlington> but when i choose the vga driver X starts although in 4 bit 640*480...
[11:35] <gupta> here's my dhclient.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25150/
[11:35] <benjamin> Arlington. yeah. kinda difficult. so u tried to install the ati drivers using the live CD ?
[11:35] <Arlington> how can i do that=
[11:36] <Zaire> so now that Im in the GUI is there any possible way to find out how to fix my install
[11:36] <Arlington> are the fglrx driver on the cd?
[11:36] <Arlington> no the vidoe card i use is a PCIE ATI Radeon x800gt
[11:36] <benjamin> gupta netbios ??!!!!!!!!!
[11:37] <gupta> benjamin: er?
[11:37] <bmo> ROFL
[11:38] <benjamin> gupta: is not netbios an anciant technology used by Microsoft to broadcast domains ?
[11:38] <gupta> could be I have no idea
[11:38] <Arlington> *sighs
[11:38] <Arlington> *sighs*
[11:38] <benjamin> gupta: its the only thing available on your .conf
[11:39] <gupta> so what should I change there?
[11:39] <benjamin> damn i dunno . but try to uncomment all the stuff
[11:39] <gupta> k. will trty
[11:39] <benjamin> especially line 3
[11:40] <Arlington> so there is no one herethat can help me? then if that i a fact i'am off.
[11:40] <benjamin> Arlington: well, the problem is you are running Windows. so it is a bit difficult to help u out ......
[11:41] <bmo> arlington don't leave just yet
[11:41] <Arlington> yeah but the problem is that i don't wanna run windows
[11:41] <bmo> I am googling, and there is a reason why you can't use radeon drivers for the x800 card
[11:41] <Arlington> i'am trying to get kubuntu to work
[11:41] <bmo> it ain't backwards compat
[11:41] <bmo> one sec, I am going to (obvious) the ATI site
[11:41] <Arlington> my problems isn't windows related at all
[11:42] <benjamin> Arlington: just install it using the ati ubuntu driver
[11:42] <benjamin> Arlington, after that we can really do something .
[11:42] <Arlington> the ati ubuntu driver dosn't work....
[11:42] <Arlington> i tol du way up.
[11:42] <Arlington> that IS the problem
[11:42] <benjamin> Arlington: the fglrx or the ATI ?
[11:43] <Arlington> the ATI and the fglrx isn't in the list of drivers in the xserver-xorg configuration...
[11:43] <benjamin> Arlington: thats normal .
[11:43] <benjamin> Arlington: you have to DL it
[11:44] <Arlington> yeah but how do i download driver to the live cd application?
[11:44] <benjamin> Arlington: wait a minute
[11:44] <bmo> https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894
[11:44] <llxcamxll> what should i use to watch dvd's
[11:44] <Arlington> okay let's start over and will explain my problem okay?
[11:45] <benjamin> Arlington: this is what u want to read: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[11:45] <bmo> llxcamxll: go here: http://www.getautomatix.com.  install automatix.  run automatix.  play cd's, and other things.
[11:45] <Arlington> i have already read that.
[11:46] <benjamin> llxcamxll: noooooo!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:46] <bmo> er, that should be play dvds
[11:46] <benjamin> bmo: are you crazy ?
[11:46] <bmo> yes!
[11:46] <benjamin> !automatix
[11:46] <ubotu> automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://www.getautomatix.com/ ; For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[11:46] <cpk2> automatix = the devil
[11:46] <benjamin> "use itr at your own risk"
[11:47] <bmo> yeah?  and I've been using it ever since, benjamin.
[11:47] <Arlington> the problem is when using the live cd(as i currently havn't installed kubuntu) i have no internet or anything therefor i'am sitting here thorugh windows trying to get halp.
[11:47] <bmo> like you said, I am crazy
[11:47] <benjamin> bmo: i did use it once. never again !
[11:47] <bmo> how long ago, benjamin?
[11:47] <bmo> ahahahah
[11:47] <benjamin> bmo some time ago i admit
[11:48] <cpk2> Arlington: why cant you get internet?
[11:48] <benjamin> llxcamxll: YOU WANT TO READ THAT https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats?highlight=%28restricted%29%7C%28formats%29
[11:49] <Arlington> because i'am a newbie in Linux and i don't know how to do it. i have a hard time doing anything in kubuntu live cd because of the graphic problems limiting me to 4-bit 640*480'
[11:49] <benjamin> llxcamxll: YOU WANT TO READ THAT https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[11:49] <Arlington> can't se much of the screen you know.
[11:49] <benjamin> Arlington: that reminds me my old amstrad 8MHz PC
[11:50] <Arlington> yeah it remind med of ushc mandrakes to but i don't like it anyway.
[11:51] <Trollinator> grrrr
[11:51] <Trollinator> udev is such a piece of useless junk
[11:51] <zorglu_> bmo: in france it is 3years of jails
[11:51] <bmo> https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894
[11:51] <bmo> zorglu: they have to catch you first.
[11:51] <benjamin> zorglu_ no its not
[11:52] <bmo> and it is my own DVD
[11:52] <cpk2> i dont think anyone has actually been prosecuted in america yet
[11:52] <Arlington> and i can't change the resolution because the display module isn't loaded in X of some reason maybe it'slive related?!
[11:52] <benjamin> zorglu_ it5 is for pirated content or when u rape a girl. just the same.
[11:52] <Trollinator> fuck udev!
[11:53] <benjamin> Arlington: hey did you read the page i gave you ? there is the answer!
[11:53] <Arlington> yes it is the answer if you have already have installed kubuntu?!
[11:53] <benjamin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[11:53] <Arlington> i read it already
[11:54] <benjamin> then use it
[11:54] <benjamin> with the liveCD
[11:54] <benjamin> it should work (and of course dont reboot)
[11:54] <benjamin> but i would try to install if i were you.
[11:54] <benjamin> damn !
[11:54] <benjamin> guys i have to go!
[11:54] <bmo> ciao
[11:54] <Arlington> yes but i don't wanna mess upp my xp install with something that i don't know if I wan't to use...
[11:55] <benjamin> sry Arlington i cant help more bmo, cya !
[11:55] <Arlington> bmo. can u help me out?
[11:55] <bmo> Arlington: if you want a distro that does a lot of handholding, I suggest SuSE, a boxed set.
[11:56] <Arlington> no i don't but i would like to take a look of kubuntu
[11:56] <Arlington> and i thought it was so much userfriendly that it supported a well known graphics cards
[11:56] <bmo> your problem is that you have a high-falutin' ATI card that is basically unsupported _and_ backwards uncompatible.
[11:56] <kay> hello can somebody help me i have no sound under kaffeine and amarok they play but i dont hear anything but kde sounds are there i hear them any idears?
[11:57] <bmo> and you have to step through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[11:57] <Arlington> :-(
[11:58] <bmo> kay, have you fooled around with the audio mixer?
[11:59] <kay>  maybe
[11:59] <bmo> something might be muted
[11:59] <kay> i will look
[12:01] <cpk2> I am setting my partitions on a fresh install and could use some advice I have 1 40G(ide) and 1 300G(sata) I want to at least have / and /home on seperate partitions
[12:01] <kay> hm.. i had change something sure but how do i get it back is red light good?
[12:01] <bmo> 10 gig /dev/hda1 30 gig /dev/hda2 mounted as / and /home respectively, cpk2
[12:01] <bmo> oh wait
[12:02] <bmo> AND a 300 gig?
[12:02] <bmo> uh
[12:02] <bmo> put the 300 as /home
[12:02] <bmo> split the 40 as /, /usr/local, /etc, and /var
[12:02] <user_> I need somw info on bandwidth management on ubuntu
[12:03] <cpk2> bmo: i am afraid of how much space /usr might need
[12:04] <bmo> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[12:04] <bmo> /dev/hdb1              28G  3.7G   23G  14% /
[12:05] <bmo> I have never seen / bigger than 6gb
[12:05] <bmo> and that is all of /usr under it
[12:06] <bmo> 3.0G    /usr (du -h /usr)
[12:08] <bmo> oh yeah, and cpk2, get another 300 gig to tar everything on /home
[12:08] <bmo> cheaper than a tape and tape drive
[12:08] <cpk2> bmo: i have already backed everything important on the 300gig to a 400gig
[12:09] <bmo> then you are home free, cpk2
[12:09] <cpk2> i just want to make sure i set up these tables smartly
[12:11] <bmo> for copying dvd's, make sure you leave enough room, as the default temp filespace for k3b is /tmp (haha!) and if you have /tmp under / and you have not left enough space, you may hose dvd copying.  however, since you have a whole 40 gig to play with, I doubt you will have that prob.
[12:12] <cpk2> bmo: yeah i guess the question is really what partitions to make besides swap / and /home
[12:13] <bmo> I would put /etc in a 500 meg part, /usr/local in 10 gigs, and / as the rest of the space on /dev/hda with the obvious space for a swap partition
[12:13] <user_> I need somw info on bandwidth management on ubuntu
[12:14] <levdir> Hey. I'm having problems with GLX; when I try to run iTunes with WINE, I consistantly get a "missing GLX extension" error. How can I fix it?
[12:14] <cpk2> bmo: thank you for all the tips
[12:14] <cpk2> hopefully you know what you are talking about ;)
[12:15] <bmo> the reason why /etc is in its own partition is that it protects your settings from being hosed when you format /
[12:15] <bmo> and my /etc size is only 15m
[12:15] <cpk2> but /etc doesnt need more than 500megs?
[12:15] <bmo> no, it's small
[12:16] <bmo> you could even do it in 50 megs
[12:16] <bmo> or less
[12:16] <cpk2> i suppose what i want to do is try to make it so if i format / virtually everything else is still intact
[12:16] <bmo> I could do it in 20, but that's only 5megs above the current usage
[12:16] <cpk2> bmo: with this much space better safe than sorry =)
[12:18] <bmo> oh, and /usr/local deserves its own partition for custom compiled stuff like bzfla
[12:18] <bmo> bzflag
[12:18] <bmo> my biggest addiction
[12:19] <cpk2> also with 1.25 gigs of ram should go with standard 1gig swap or go ahead and have 2gig swap?
[12:19] <bmo> I have no swap
[12:19] <bmo> watch
[12:19] <bmo> bmo@owlcomm:~$ free -m
[12:19] <bmo>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[12:19] <bmo> Mem:          2012       2000         11          0        301       1104
[12:19] <bmo> -/+ buffers/cache:        595       1416
[12:19] <bmo> Swap:            0          0          0
[12:20] <bmo> heh
[12:20] <flaccid> nice
[12:20] <bmo> I have the partition there for when I might need it though.
[12:20] <bmo> swapon -a and swapoff -a
[12:20] <bmo> as needed
[12:21] <cpk2> i would rather use swap for simplicity
[12:22] <bmo> when you have 2 gigs of ram, swap gets touched very little.  at most, a few K or a couple of MB, as everything else resides in cache
[12:22] <bmo> but then, there's googleearth
[12:23] <bmo> if you look at my free -m, there's over a gig of cached "swap"
[12:24] <levdir> Hey. I'm having problems with GLX; when I try to run iTunes with WINE, I consistantly get a "missing GLX extension" error. How can I fix it?
[12:25] <bmo> look at www.winehq.org?
[12:25] <cpk2> ok bmo here goes
[12:25] <levdir> I just came from the WINE support chat, they sent me here because apparantly it isn't a WINE problem.
[12:26] <bmo> good luck, cpk2
[12:26] <bmo> heh
[12:27] <j2daosh> hey, how do i send a message to the would be crackers of my system?
[12:27] <bmo> use talk?
[12:27] <bmo> if they're logged in, use talk. heh.
[12:28] <bmo> "hey you, get offa my lawn"
[12:28] <j2daosh> nah they haven't gotten in
[12:28] <cpk2> 20gigs is plenty for / correct?
[12:28] <bmo> plenty
[12:28] <bmo> like what?
[12:28] <j2daosh> cpk2: yeah... i am only using 18
[12:28] <bmo> people trying to brute force ssh?
[12:28] <bmo> move the ssh port
[12:28] <j2daosh> like Sep 29 05:29:03 localhost sshd[5500] : (pam_unix) check pass; user unknown
[12:28] <j2daosh> Sep 29 05:29:03 localhost sshd[5500] : (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=196.1.179.217
[12:28] <j2daosh> Sep 29 05:29:05 localhost sshd[5500] : Failed password for invalid user httpd from 196.1.179.217 port 37731 ssh2
[12:29] <bmo> oh!
[12:29] <j2daosh> Sep 29 05:29:07 localhost sshd[5502] : reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for 196-1-179-217.nitelnet.com failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT!
[12:29] <bmo> hahaha
[12:29] <j2daosh> sorry
[12:29] <cpk2> j2daosh: *only* 18gigs on root?
[12:29] <bmo> move the ssh port!
[12:29] <j2daosh> more lines then i thought
[12:29] <j2daosh> yeah
[12:29] <j2daosh> only 18 gigs
[12:29] <j2daosh> most goes in my /home
[12:29] <bmo> move it to like port 3356 or sommat
[12:29] <j2daosh> its 22....
[12:29] <cpk2> i wouldnt call 18gigs only for root
[12:31] <j2daosh> im using an 80 gig for my native linux, 18 g for /, 59 g for /home and the rest is swap... but im writing all my backups to my windows partition of 160 gigs
[12:31] <bmo> cripes, what file did I use to move ssh?
[12:31] <bmo> duh!
[12:31] <bmo> er
[12:31] <j2daosh> bmo: i have ssh running on 22... how its trying to get in all all these other ones is beyond me
[12:31] <bmo> this file
[12:32] <j2daosh> its never the same one
[12:32] <bmo> sudo pico /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[12:32] <bmo> change port22 to port foo
[12:32] <j2daosh> port foo?
[12:32] <j2daosh> why ... then i cant get in
[12:32] <bmo> foo=anything you want
[12:32] <cpk2> not really sure how to use this partitioner
[12:32] <j2daosh> oh
[12:33] <j2daosh> 22 works fine though
[12:33] <bmo> and that port 22 stuff is all bot generated
[12:33] <j2daosh> yeah but its become standard
[12:33] <j2daosh> good point
[12:33] <bmo> yes, port 22 works, but moving ssh to a high port gets it out of the bots
[12:33] <j2daosh> lol
[12:34] <j2daosh> when i change this though its gonna kick me off lol
[12:34] <bmo> you just have to remember that you have to specify the port when you use ssh
[12:34] <j2daosh> yeah, i mostly use putty and freenx
[12:34] <j2daosh> crap
[12:34] <j2daosh> i will have to change my freenx port too....
[12:35] <j2daosh> lol ill change the port to 25 :P
[12:35] <j2daosh> that'll mess with them
[12:35] <bmo> you can safely ignore the ssh brute force-ers though.  it's just polluting the logs.
[12:35] <bmo> it's not like people can brute force if you have even a moderate strong password
[12:36] <j2daosh> yeah im not too worried about that... its just slowing my shit down...
[12:36] <Rambo3> why not
[12:36] <j2daosh> whats a port scanner people here use?
[12:36] <j2daosh> i can play that game too....
[12:36] <bmo> I use nmap
[12:36] <j2daosh> mofo biotches
[12:36] <j2daosh> lol
[12:36] <Rambo3> nmap
[12:37] <bmo> be careful though.  I nmapped a phisher and he COMPLAINED TO MY ISP
[12:37] <j2daosh> lol
[12:37] <j2daosh> nmap didn't do anything
[12:37] <cpk2> not really sure how to use this partitioner i guess for label i just put in / and /usr/local?
[12:37] <bmo> yes
[12:37] <bmo> oh
[12:37] <bmo> no
[12:37] <j2daosh> no
[12:37] <j2daosh> no
[12:37] <bmo> that's the mount point
[12:37] <j2daosh> u need a /
[12:37] <j2daosh> a /home
[12:37] <bmo> the label is the disk label
[12:37] <j2daosh> and a /swp
[12:38] <j2daosh> everything else will fit into one of those.... mount points go to /mnt or /media
[12:38] <bmo> er
[12:38] <bmo> gparted
[12:38] <j2daosh> ok what are you looking at right now cpk2
[12:39] <j2daosh> tell me your options
[12:39] <j2daosh> its been awhile since ive powned my system to the point of reinstall
[12:39] <j2daosh> lol
[12:39] <bmo> haha
[12:39] <cpk2> i can "create" at /dev/hda-1
[12:40] <bmo> hey, as a joke I rm'd /usr to see what would happen
[12:40] <j2daosh> i think the last time i powned it that bad was when i got frustrated with sudo and chmod 777 the / directory
[12:40] <j2daosh> my computer SCREAM'ed about that
[12:40] <j2daosh> lol
[12:41] <j2daosh> so point to note cpk2... dont do that
[12:41] <cpk2> hehe i thought you pretty much never should 777anything
[12:41] <j2daosh> nah
[12:41] <j2daosh> you can
[12:42] <j2daosh> i do alot for different user accounts
[12:42] <j2daosh> sometimes im logged in as one person but i need another persons shit... i chmod it then it dont matter who im in as
[12:42] <cpk2> so when i go to make partition space i have set it to primary partition ext 3 and was going to label it / and give it about 20 gigs
[12:43] <bmo> yes
[12:43] <cpk2> is that correct?
[12:43] <bmo> yup
[12:43] <j2daosh> ext3/2/rieser... whatever
[12:43] <j2daosh> but yeah... thats the general point
[12:43] <Rambo3> cfdisk for fdisk
[12:43] <cpk2> and then how do i lable swap?
[12:43] <cpk2> swap?
[12:44] <j2daosh> nope
[12:44] <j2daosh> there should be an option for it
[12:44] <Electrolyte> Is there a memory leak in aRts?
[12:44] <j2daosh> what prog you using?
[12:44] <Electrolyte> artsd is using 757MB RAM :/
[12:44] <cpk2> the livecd
[12:44] <munuel> hi
[12:44] <j2daosh> crap i dont have one of those on me....
[12:44] <bmo> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06
[12:44] <cpk2> it still wants a label when i set it to swap
[12:44] <j2daosh> you should be able to highlight label and hit enter and it bring up your options
[12:44] <bmo> forfor cpk2
[12:44] <bmo> for even
[12:44] <cpk2> thanks bmo
[12:45] <j2daosh> yeah there you go
[12:45] <j2daosh> lol
[12:45] <cpk2> was trying to find something on the wiki and forum but didnt see anything
[12:46] <esc> hi
[12:46] <cpk2> hopefully server isnt much different from desktop
[12:47] <bmo> it's actually not much different, cpk2
[12:47] <cpk2> bmo: that just says it puts it all on / =\
[12:48] <cpk2> bmo: you suggested how much space for /usr/local and /etc again?
[12:48] <bmo> I would put 500 mb for /etc
[12:49] <bmo> and whatever you feel you might need for /usr/local (compile a lot?)
[12:49] <bmo> 10 gigs would be ok
[12:49] <bmo> more than enough for most things
[12:50] <j2daosh> "/usr and /etc get made by the partitioner from filespace used by / if im not mistaken
[12:50] <j2daosh> i dont recall setting those mount points...
[12:50] <bmo> j2daosh you can put them on separate partitions to protect them from footgun action
[12:50] <j2daosh> ahh
[12:51] <bmo> say you nuke /   if /etc is all by itself, you haven't nuked your settings
[12:51] <eeos> hi there
[12:51] <bmo> and if /usr/local is all by itself, you haven't nuked your special programs
[12:52] <cpk2> sooo 20gig /    2gig swap   10gig /usr/local     1gig /etc    seperatehd for /home
[12:52] <j2daosh> i just tar a backup to my fat16 windows part. :P
[12:52] <bmo> yup
[12:52] <j2daosh> 2 gig swap!?!?
[12:52] <bmo> he's got a lot of ram
[12:52] <Electrolyte> Does anyone at the Kubuntu team realise there's a memory leak in aRts?
[12:52] <j2daosh> do you have no memory on your system or something?
[12:52] <cpk2> = to or double ram right?
[12:52] <eeos> I have got a problem here. If I create a new kubuntu user, every time I log in with the new user
[12:52] <Electrolyte> After 2 days and 20 hours, artsd is using 740MB RAM - that is NOT right.
[12:52] <bmo> the rule of thumb is 1.5 to 2x ram
[12:53] <j2daosh> cpk2: thats the rule of thumb but hold on
[12:53] <cpk2> i have 1.25 gigs
[12:53] <j2daosh> how much ram you got?
[12:53] <cpk2> of ram
[12:53] <j2daosh> 1.25 g of ram?
[12:53] <eeos> kde proposes again the user configuration wizard. why?
[12:53] <j2daosh> ok
[12:53] <j2daosh> you dont need more then 500 megs of swap
[12:53] <j2daosh> cpk2: the swap is there only for if you run out of memory... you aren't going to run out of 1.75 gigs of memory
[12:54] <Electrolyte> Anyone? :|
[12:54] <cpk2> Electrolyte: just restart it?
[12:54] <j2daosh> physical memory mind you... if your a windows user (or ex.windows user...) swap is the equivilent of a windows pagefile...
[12:54] <Electrolyte> Er, how do I restart it?
[12:54] <Electrolyte> Last time it killed all system event notifications.
[12:54] <bmo> init 1
[12:54] <j2daosh> sudo init 6 lol
[12:54] <bmo> init 2
[12:55] <Electrolyte> Eh? :|
[12:55] <cpk2> j2daosh: its just i would rather be on the safe side, better too much rather than too little =)
[12:55] <effect> hi all
[12:55] <bmo> oh!
[12:56] <j2daosh> its up to you... i just want you to get an understand of how it plays together... so if you decide to install on a 20 gig harddrive you will have enough space for other stuff
[12:56] <j2daosh> Electrolyte: what is the program that is eating the mem?
[12:56] <bmo> kde restarts programs that you leave open when you logout
[12:56] <Electrolyte> artsd.
[12:56] <j2daosh> bring up terminal window
[12:56] <Electrolyte> And it keeps doing it.
[12:56] <cpk2> j2daosh: my situation is 40gig for / and /usr/local and whatnot and 300gig for /home so i think I am ok playing it safe?
[12:56] <effect> i loaded the desktop cd, and i want to install kubuntu in my virtual machine, but i dont get into the install menu only the live stuff
[12:57] <effect> any idea
[12:57] <bmo> if you exit out of kde without closing the user editor, the user editor (or any other program for that matter) will magically appear when you login again
[12:57] <j2daosh> cpk2: yeah you have more then enough space to do whatever you want.... im anal though :P
[12:57] <j2daosh> yeah bmo
[12:57] <j2daosh> Electrolyte: once you have the window up, do "ps -ef|grep artsd" (no quotes
[12:57] <bmo> killall -9 artsd
[12:57] <bmo> that works too
[12:58] <j2daosh> or that
[12:58] <eeos> bmo are you talking with me?
[12:58] <cpk2> but he will want to start it back up
[12:58] <j2daosh> im curious what the cpu time on it is
[12:58] <Electrolyte> Done
[12:58] <j2daosh> u did what Electrolyte? ps or killall?
[12:58] <Electrolyte> ps
[12:58] <abortd> adept notifer tells me there is a update and i click it so it tries kdesu adept_updater and nothing happens can anyone help me?
[12:59] <j2daosh> ok next to the path you should see a column for time
[12:59] <j2daosh> is it saying 2 days?
[12:59] <Electrolyte> No,  00:16:42
[12:59] <bmo> yes.  don't use kdesu adept_updater.  use apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade from a terminal window.
[12:59] <eeos> bmo I alway close the user editor, that is the wizard, before log out, so I do not understand why it does propose it again everytime
[01:00] <j2daosh> ... so in 2 days its only used 16 minutes of processor time.... hmmm
[01:00] <eeos> bmo unless the time for recording user details is longer than expected
[01:00] <j2daosh> do a "top" no quotes
[01:00] <eeos> bmo that is, there is a backgrund process goign on even after closing the user editor window or the wizard
[01:00] <j2daosh> is artsd at the top of the list?
[01:00] <abortd> bmo, can i change that command in adept notifer?
[01:00] <Electrolyte> Second to forth.
[01:01] <Electrolyte> Using 724MB RAM :/
[01:01] <j2daosh> ok what is the path
[01:01] <bmo> abortd: no, you don't change the command, you just use apt-get.  when you are done apt-get upgrading, the little triangle goes away. heh.
[01:02] <Electrolyte> "/usr/bin/artsd -F 6 -S 256 -a alsa -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f"
[01:02] <abortd> oh lol
[01:02] <abortd> thanks
[01:02] <j2daosh> ok, "cd /usr/bin"
[01:02] <j2daosh> then do "artsd --restart"
[01:03] <Patri_> ui to se abri solo xD
[01:03] <j2daosh> if not try "artsd restart"
[01:03] <Patri_> spanish
[01:03] <Patri_> ??
[01:03] <bmo> so you go to the k menu, pick system settings, and "users&groups" right? that one?
[01:03] <j2daosh> if that still dont work kill it with killall -9 artsd and then open it again
[01:04] <j2daosh> !spanish
[01:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spanish - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:04] <j2daosh> nevermind
[01:04] <j2daosh> lol
[01:04] <Electrolyte> Error: Can't add object reference (probably artsd is already running).
[01:04] <j2daosh> this bot sucks....
[01:04] <j2daosh> ok kill it and then bring it back up
[01:04] <j2daosh> save whatever work your doing
[01:04] <Patri_> what you from?
[01:04] <cpk2> alright guys on my 40 gig drive i ended up with 23igs / 12 gigs /usr/local 1.26 gigs /etc and 1gig swap
[01:04] <j2daosh> usa
[01:04] <cpk2> did i label all that correctly?
[01:04] <bmo> SIGKILL, if used, goes last because the grim reaper bears no doubt,
[01:04] <bmo> cares not if you have prepared your way, and leaves crushed Zagnut
[01:04] <bmo> nodules in the carpet...
[01:05] <Patri_> i m girl spain
[01:05] <cpk2> lol bmo
[01:05] <j2daosh> how are you doing?
[01:05] <Electrolyte> Ok, killed it, but when I close the terminal after starting it it closes again :/
[01:05] <Patri_> who?
[01:05] <j2daosh> yeah
[01:05] <Electrolyte> Fresh start of aRts and it's using 11MB RAM though.
[01:05] <j2daosh> because you have to do "artsd &"
[01:05] <j2daosh> that will run it in the background
[01:05] <Patri_> byeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[01:05] <j2daosh> you part
[01:06] <j2daosh> by e Patri_
[01:06] <eeos> bmo the wizard, the one that opens when you create a new user, at the first log in
[01:06] <Electrolyte> Still not staying open :/
[01:06] <j2daosh> ok cpk2 im going to paste my direcotry list
[01:06] <Electrolyte> I'll just logout then back in.
[01:06] <j2daosh> actually i dont want to flood so ill im you
[01:07] <cpk2> i just hope i got the labels correct
[01:07] <cpk2> and that i have enough space for root
[01:07] <bmo> you have more than enough space, cpk2
[01:08] <zorglu_> !nas
[01:08] <ubotu> nas: The Network Audio System (NAS). (local server). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.7-3ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 90 kB, installed size 284 kB
[01:08] <zorglu_> !info nas
[01:08] <bmo> eeos, is this a new install?
[01:08] <cpk2> did i make those labels correct? and were any of those supposed to be extended partitions? sorry for so many questions but i have never bothered manually partitioning before
[01:08] <eeos> bmo no but the first time I create a new user
[01:08] <eeos> bmo sorry the first time I create another new user
[01:08] <bmo> how attached are you to your kde settings
[01:08] <bmo> ?
[01:09] <eeos> bmo apart the user we have always used on this laptop
[01:09] <cpk2> hehe
[01:09] <bmo> from the home directory.... rm -rf .kde
[01:09] <j2daosh> cpk2:  yeah your partition names are fine
[01:09] <eeos> bmo the kde settings of the new user? not attached at all! the wizards changes them everytime!
[01:09] <j2daosh> bmo: dont do that please
[01:09] <Electrolyte> FFS, I am sick of X locking up my system when I logout after killing aRts.
[01:09] <j2daosh> you never know when someone will think your being serious
[01:10] <j2daosh> and actually do it
[01:10] <eeos> bmo do you mean I should rm -fR ./kde?
[01:10] <bmo> no
[01:10] <j2daosh> see
[01:10] <j2daosh> lol
[01:10] <bmo> jeez
[01:10] <eeos> bmo, sorry rm -fR ./.kde?
[01:10] <j2daosh> eeos: no
[01:10] <j2daosh> no
[01:10] <j2daosh> no
[01:10] <j2daosh> lol
[01:10] <cpk2> rm = remove
[01:10] <eeos> bmo j2daosh why not?
[01:10] <j2daosh> leave it alone... you delete it and you will have to reinstall like cpk2
[01:11] <bmo> no
[01:11] <j2daosh> well not like cpk2
[01:11] <bmo> oh wait, j2daosh
[01:11] <eeos> cpk2 yes, I know
[01:11] <bmo> he would only be killing his kde settings
[01:11] <eeos> bmo I think so, but then the wizard will start again at the next login
[01:11] <bmo> which would be automagically generated when he logs in again
[01:11] <j2daosh> ....
[01:12] <j2daosh> hold... lemme google that... i dont think that is how that works
[01:12] <bmo> and somewhere in there, in the bowels of the .kde directories off home, is something that is fubar
[01:12] <eeos> bmo yes, but why should thta stop the wizard to start again after the login after the next (I am not sure I understood myself :-P )
[01:12] <bmo> hmm
[01:13] <bmo> what about nuking /tmp?
[01:13] <pensacola> where can I get the latest konversation?
[01:13] <eeos> bmo mmmmmm. why?
[01:14] <eeos> pensacola sudo apt-get install konversation
[01:14] <pensacola> yeah but that isn't the latest
[01:14] <eeos> pensacola :(
[01:14] <pensacola> still version 0.19
[01:14] <j2daosh> http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/index.php?s=c15b0ec7656dbb9b076ad9e02982ea23&showtopic=43885&pid=192381&st=0&#entry192381
[01:14] <eeos> pensacola that is the one I am running indeed :(
[01:14] <j2daosh> what the hell...? i have a naughty_panelappletrc file...?
[01:14] <eeos> pensacola kde 3.5.4
[01:15] <bmo> naughty panel applet rc?
[01:15] <j2daosh> lol yep
[01:15] <cpk2> alright i committed
[01:15] <bmo> or naughty panell apple trc?
[01:15] <j2daosh> im tempted to see if its nested pr0n
[01:16] <j2daosh> nope...
[01:16] <j2daosh> damn
[01:16] <j2daosh> just a sugestive name lol
[01:16] <bmo> bummer! no porn!
[01:16] <main2> shitty that XGL is so alpha-stage...............
[01:16] <bmo> no porn for you!
[01:16] <eeos> pensacola  go here there are instructions and repositories
[01:16] <main2> i loved it, but cant use it any longer
[01:16] <eeos>  pensacola that is the one I am running indeed :(
[01:16] <eeos> [13:14]  <j2daosh> what the hell...? i have a naughty_panelappletrc file...?
[01:16] <eeos> [13:14]  <eeos> pensacola kde 3.5.4
[01:16] <eeos> [13:15]  <bmo> naughty panel applet rc?
[01:16] <eeos> [13:15]  --> sudharsh has
[01:16] <j2daosh> i guess ill just have to bang the wifey instead.... oh dran
[01:16] <eeos> oh no! I am very sorry!
[01:16] <pensacola> I've got the latest kde
[01:16] <pensacola> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest dapper main that is in my sources.lst
[01:17] <eeos> pensacola go here there are instructions and repositories http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[01:17] <eeos> pensacola you need to use konversation repository
[01:17] <pensacola> thx that's just what I needed
[01:17] <bmo> eeos, I am not sure where the autostart for the wizard may be
[01:17] <bmo> I would look in the .kde config files off of your home dir
[01:17] <eeos> bmo me neither :(
[01:18] <bmo> or in your /tmp
[01:18] <cpk2> umm is it a problem that i cant seem to manually edit /dev/sda with the livecd?
[01:18] <bmo> the only two places it would be
[01:18] <eeos> bmo I will remove .kde and clean tmp and see what happens, thanks for your help
[01:18] <bmo> eeos: save any bookmarks before doing that, though
[01:18] <eeos> pensacola yw
[01:18] <bmo> you will have a default .kde desktop as a result
[01:19] <eeos> bmo there are none for the new user, with the wizard appearing everytime :(
[01:19] <eeos> bmo yp
[01:19] <eeos> bmo thanks a lot!
[01:20] <cpk2> do i need a /home when i install or can i partition that after the install?
[01:20] <bmo> technically you can do it later
[01:20] <bmo> but I wouldn't
[01:21] <cpk2> the live cd is just giving me a blank gui when i try to manually do my sata drive
[01:21] <cpk2> hrmm
[01:21] <eeos> pensacola !!!! do not add konversation-nightly as in the instructions! add konversation!
[01:21] <bmo> oooh
[01:21] <eeos> pensacola substitute konversation-nightly with konversation!
[01:21] <bmo> you may need to insmod a sata driver
[01:21] <cpk2> it sees my hard drive and is telling me how big it is
[01:22] <bmo> I should learn, eh?
[01:22] <cpk2> just when i go to manually edit it the gui turns blank =\
[01:22] <bmo> then mount it later
[01:22] <bmo> make a fake /home on /dev/hda
[01:22] <bmo> and just change it over
[01:22] <AeSSeD> Hi, Can I install kubuntu on HPT3xx controller raid software?
[01:22] <eeos> pensacola sorry, konversation and konversation-nightly still have the same content so is actually the same to add one or the other :(
[01:23] <cpk2> i have 50megs left on /dev/hda
[01:23] <bmo> use that then
[01:23] <cpk2> would that work? =P
[01:23] <bmo> call it /home
[01:23] <cpk2> i am assuming /home starts out near empty?
[01:23] <bmo> you can swap the mount point later when you edit /etc/fstab
[01:24] <eeos> cpk2 you should only have the basic configuration files for the users' shell afaik
[01:24] <bmo> 50 megs is plenty for an empty /home/cpk2 directory
[01:25] <cpk2> alright i guess if i bumble this i will just be back in the channel again asking for help on partitioning again =)
[01:25] <bmo> hahaha
[01:26] <cpk2> i wish this gui was a bit more intuitive
[01:27] <cpk2> for instance, do i need to "format" each partition after I "commit" the changes
[01:27] <Rambo3> !info gnucash
[01:27] <ubotu> gnucash: A personal finance tracking program. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.8.12-6ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 1288 kB, installed size 3912 kB
[01:27] <Rambo3> !info gnucash edgy
[01:27] <ubotu> gnucash: A personal finance tracking program. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.0.1-3ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 2014 kB, installed size 6388 kB
[01:27] <bmo> you only need to format the partitions you wish to wipe.  since these are all new partitions, yes, FORMAT ZEM ALL!!!!
[01:30] <bmo> the rain is almost here
[01:30] <daffy> re
[01:30] <bmo> http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/radar.php?rid=box&product=N0R&overlay=11101111&loop=no
[01:31] <daffy> re
[01:31] <bmo> re
[01:31] <bmo> "I'm not like other people.  Pain hurts me" - daffy duck
[01:34] <bmo> cpk2, you can leave the /home drive the way it is, and mount the sata drive as the user directory underneath it.
[01:34] <bmo> so you would mount the sata as /home/cpk2
[01:35] <cpk2> i cant seem to get more than 4 mount points on /dev/hda
[01:35] <bmo> oh
[01:35] <bmo> um
[01:35] <bmo> you need to make logical partitions. ;-)
[01:35] <cpk2> which wouldnt be a problem if i didnt now need a /home
[01:36] <bmo> because you can only _have_ 4 primary partitions
[01:36] <cpk2> swap counts as a primary?
[01:36] <cpk2> blah
[01:36] <bmo> yeah
[01:36] <cpk2> so should /etc and /usr/local be extended partitions?
[01:37] <bmo> no reason why you can't
[01:37] <cpk2> do you know the difference?
[01:37] <bmo> yup
[01:38] <bmo> hell, etc can be on an nfs mount halfway around the planet if you really want.
[01:38] <bmo> not that I would do it, but you could.
[01:38] <Hobbsee> !repos
[01:38] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:39] <bmo> hell, my / drive is the slave drive on the secondary ide controller
[01:39] <bmo> I think
[01:40] <cpk2> would you mind edifying me on the difference? the wiki just says that extended can have multiple file systems on it
[01:40] <elias_> Concerning the topic: Don't use Edgy on production machines ever or just not before it's final release?
[01:41] <elias_> Concerning the topic of ubuntu+1: Edgy is not ment to be used on production machines ever or just not before it's final release?
[01:41] <bmo> you really don't need to know much about it, except that the boot drive _must_ be on a primary partition and _must_ be bootable.
[01:41] <bmo> everything else can be anything else
[01:41] <cpk2> ok, so /etc and /usr/local on extended is ok?
[01:41] <ile> can anyone tell me what is the comand to copy file trougu consloe?
[01:41] <cpk2> sorry for so many questions =X
[01:41] <bmo> http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/file/structPartitions-c.html
[01:42] <cpk2> but you're really helpful =D
[01:42] <bmo> hah
[01:42] <bmo> <---glutton for punishment
[01:43] <ile> can anyone tell me what is the comand to copy file trough consloe?
[01:43] <bmo> what, to blast it at a console screen?   cat
[01:43] <bmo> cat filename [enter] 
[01:44] <cpk2> thats not copy
[01:44] <cpk2> thats to read
[01:44] <cpk2> cp is copy
[01:44] <bmo> what do you mean by copy?
[01:44] <cpk2> i would assume cp
[01:44] <ile> to copy file from one folder to another
[01:44] <bmo> cp
[01:44] <cpk2> cp original destination
[01:44] <cpk2> like that
[01:45] <cpk2> or you can use move
[01:45] <bmo> mv
[01:45] <ile> how?
[01:45] <bmo> mv foo bar
[01:45] <bmo> mv also renames
[01:45] <ile> how does it goes
[01:46] <ile> mv file destination?
[01:46] <gareth> Hi, i used to be able to compile software but now i get this error
[01:46] <utnubu> hi, i tried to upgrade to this eft thingie, I did gksu "update-manager -c -d".  It failed with an unrecoverable error.  It says I shoud file a bug report???  I dunno where to do that.  Also, is there anything common that causes this and can it be worked around?
[01:46] <gareth> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. Th
[01:46] <gareth> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[01:46] <gareth> can anyone suggest what i need to install?
[01:46] <martin__> Uhm, maybe the kde-develop-packages?
[01:47] <bmo> ile yes
[01:47] <bmo> if you mv a file within the same directory, it renames the file
[01:48] <bmo> if you mv a file from one directory to another, it moves the file
[01:48] <martin__> I've a strange behaviour with german umlauts on the text-console.
[01:48] <bmo> though, if you are new to unix commands, I suggest playing around with cp first, to avoid file lossage. hehehe
[01:49] <martin__> I always have to press the  etc. twice before I get the letter and then it appears twice, too. But before it doesn't.
[01:49] <larndch> sounds like "deadkeys"
[01:50] <martin__> So should I deactivate them?
[01:50] <ile> cpk2, bmo, : thank you
[01:50] <ile> i did it
[01:50] <ile> :D
[01:51] <larndch> check your xorg.conf
[01:51] <larndch> i hav in there:
[01:51] <larndch>  Option  "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys"
[01:51] <bmo> http://wauug.erols.com/~balsa/linux/deadkeys/
[01:52] <bmo> ile: get "unix for dummies" if you want to learn the basics of the command line
[01:52] <martin__> But I've the problem in the text-mode, in X it works fine.
[01:53] <cpk2> bmo: i can change the "mount point" of my sata to home, would that work?
[01:53] <Nyuu> hi all
[01:53] <cpk2> hello
[01:53] <Nyuu> may i ask question here?
[01:53] <ile> bmo: tnx
[01:54] <cpk2> ie instead of /media/sda1 it would become /home
[01:54] <cpk2> Nyuu: thats the point of the channel
[01:55] <Nyuu> ok
[01:55] <bmo> back
[01:55] <martin__> Or let's ask like that: Is it useful to set Dapper to using the iso-8859-15 or is utf8 the better choice?
[01:55] <bmo> yes, if you change the mount point of the sata to /home, the sata would become /home
[01:56] <bmo> martin: I would think utf8
[01:56] <bmo> cpk2, you could even mount the sata as /home/cpk2
[01:56] <martin__> bmo: I just wonder how to manage my old files best then because there I run into trouble with the umlauts.
[01:57] <Nyuu> i m kinda new to linux, except a live Knoppix I never managed to install anything working, i even totally screwed up my partitions once, so I'm a lil cautious now. I'd like to install Kubuntu, but I dunno how to make it recognize my SATA drives. I have an AMD64 with 2gig ram, 2 IDE drives and a dual raptor RAID0 installed on the NFroce4 raid controller. I want Kubuntu to be installed on the RAID, but no way to make it see the drive. Could a
[01:57] <bmo> well unicode is supposedly backwards compatible, martin.
[01:58] <cpk2> bmo: I will have more than one user though =)
[01:58] <bmo> cpk2: heh
[01:58] <cpk2> i suppose i could partition some users in but then i will lose some flexibility down the line
[01:59] <_thumper_> what's the state of kitchensync in kubuntu, especially the use of opensync?
[01:59] <martin__> bmo: Sorry, suddenly it seems to work, when I tried it yesterday with utf8 none of my editors showed the umlauts correctly :-S
[02:00] <bmo> the lines, they blur together
[02:00] <abattoir> Nyuu: you might want to install from the alternate CD, which has RAID/LVM support
[02:01] <Nyuu> aw
[02:01] <Nyuu> that could help, for sure :)
[02:01] <abattoir> _thumper_: kitchensync is in main, part of KDE PIM
[02:01] <abattoir> !info kitchensync
[02:01] <ubotu> kitchensync: Synchronization framework. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 781 kB, installed size 2400 kB
[02:01] <Nyuu> i m feeling dumb, thanks a lot
[02:02] <abattoir> _thumper_: ^^^^
[02:02] <abattoir> Nyuu: no problem :)
[02:02] <bmo> nyuu we all get that way
[02:02] <bmo> I feel extremely dumb dealing with windows machines
[02:02] <bmo> I have _forgotten_ that much
[02:02] <bmo> if only I could completely forget windows
[02:03] <_thumper_> abattoir: yeah, but it doesn't sync
[02:03] <martin__> So I still got a problem with my umlauts in aptitude (on konsole and in real text mode, too):
[02:03] <abattoir> _thumper_: with what?
[02:03] <_thumper_> talked to someone on #kontact but he says to use opensync backend
[02:03] <cpk2> bmo: boo looks like i will have to wait to set the sata as /home because it wants to reformat it in ntfs
[02:03] <martin__> They just aren't umlauts but always a mixture of two strange letters.
[02:03] <_thumper_> abattoir: trying to sync laptop kontact with desktop contact using local and remote connectors
[02:03] <cpk2> what happens if i leave a blank mount point?
[02:04] <bmo> cpk2: mkreiserfs /dev/sata(foo)
[02:04] <cpk2> no reiserfs for me
[02:04] <bmo> why nawt?
[02:04] <cpk2> i want it to be ext3
[02:04] <bmo> oh
[02:05] <bmo> you do realize that reiser spanks ext3 for speed, right? heh
[02:05] <cpk2> who cares if you can make 5874598374593847 files in .01 seconds or not
[02:05] <abattoir> _thumper_: yes, opensync is available too, libopensync0, iirc, let me check
[02:06] <_thumper_> abattoir: couldn't find it with aptitude search
[02:06] <cpk2> i havent seen any people with ext3 FS problems but i have seen people with reiser FS problems
[02:06] <abattoir> !info libopensync0
[02:06] <ubotu> Package libopensync0 does not exist in any distro I know
[02:06] <abattoir> !info libopensync0 edgy
[02:06] <bmo> I had a reiserfs problem.....7 years ago
[02:06] <ubotu> libopensync0: Synchronisation framework for email/pdas/and more. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.18-2.2 (edgy), package size 181 kB, installed size 572 kB
[02:06] <abattoir> _thumper_: hmm, doesnt seem to be in dapper
[02:06] <bmo> and it wasn't horrible
[02:06] <_thumper_> abattoir: hmm, not that keen to move to edgy yet, but may have to
[02:07] <_thumper_> I am wanting to sync before boxing my desktop and sending it across the world
[02:07] <cpk2> will i cause problems for myself if i set a ntfs partition as /home until i can format it as ext3 after the install?
[02:08] <abattoir> _thumper_: else you could compile it yourself
[02:08] <Arlington> bmo.
[02:08] <bmo> hey arlington
[02:08] <Arlington> hi again. got it to work :-=
[02:08] <Arlington> :-)
[02:08] <_thumper_> abattoir: yeah I guess, I'm what you'd call a lazy linux user, capable, but can't be arsed much of the time
[02:08] <martin__> So any ideas about broken umlauts in text mode?
[02:08] <bmo> you did!
[02:08] <bmo> kewl
[02:09] <Arlington> yes. i was just to stuck in wiondows world to realises i could download teh stuff from the text prompt...
[02:09] <bmo> ah!
[02:09] <_thumper_> just for interest, how do you tell kitchensync to use opensync?
[02:09] <bmo> heh
[02:09] <Arlington> but of course i have som more newbie questions :-(
[02:09] <abattoir> _thumper_: btw, just a warning, the dapper/edgy packages listed in the opensync site *don't work*, so dont waste your time trying them :)
[02:09] <bmo> but of course. heh.
[02:09] <_thumper_> abattoir: thanks
[02:09] <abattoir> _thumper_: from what i see they've been packaged against etch
[02:10] <Arlington> i have searched the forums but no luck...
[02:10] <bmo> well, make it quick, because my forehead is going to come into contact with my keyboard
[02:11] <Arlington> all windows seem to be off center i.e half my konqueror window is beyond the right edge of my screen.
[02:11] <bmo> xvidtune?
[02:11] <cpk2> Arlington: press ctrl minus on the numpad
[02:11] <cpk2> err not ctrl
[02:12] <Arlington> well i'am back on windows now because i havn't fixed any irc client for kubuntu yet.
[02:12] <bmo> oh, yeah, xvidtune still exists
[02:12] <Arlington> so i will do that later.
[02:12] <cpk2> ctrl and alt and minus on the numpad
[02:12] <Arlington> i also have a powermanagement problem i think.'
[02:13] <bmo> arlington, am I the one that told you to do the acpi thingy?
[02:13] <bmo> or did I tell somoene else?
[02:13] <Arlington> yeah but i couldnt understand how i was to do that part :-(
[02:13] <_thumper_> abattoir: so does the kontact sync tab just know that opensync is availaible?
[02:13] <bmo> ok, n/m then.
[02:14] <_thumper_> there doesn't seem to be any configuration options for it
[02:14] <bmo> acpi=power management
[02:14] <bmo> I think
[02:14] <Arlington> well you could explain it.... i checked the F6 part
[02:14] <cpk2> anyone have any idea if I set my /home to an ntfs partition and then format it to ext after install if that will cause me headache?
[02:14] <abattoir> _thumper_: i'm not sure, i haven't had the patience to make it work in the first place, to try it out yet ;)
[02:14] <fdoving> cpk2: i would not recommend that.
[02:15] <abattoir> _thumper_: i think the guys at #kontact might help you with it ;)
[02:15] <cpk2> =\ the live cd is lacking in manual partitioning when it comes to sata
[02:15] <bmo> cpk2 if it is formatted ntfs, it may become unmountable, but...well...you can always format it later if you do the dummy /home directory
[02:15] <fdoving> cpk2: it's easier to wait with the /home partition till you've formatted to ext3.
[02:15] <fdoving> cpk2: keeping /home on the / partition is the best solution.
[02:16] <bmo> fdoving no, it's not a good idea to do that
[02:16] <fdoving> bmo: why not?
[02:16] <cpk2> fdoving: i am putting /home on a 300gig drive by itself
[02:17] <fdoving> cpk2: i understand that, you can do that -after- installation.
[02:17] <bmo>  the /home and / directories should be on separate partitions/drives always, so you can blow away the OS and not worry about the /home stuff
[02:17] <bmo> if they are on the same drive/partition, if you have to format the partition, you are hosed
[02:18] <fdoving> you never -have- to format a partition.
[02:18] <bmo> fdoving, you have to format if you want a quick fresh install
[02:18] <bmo> esp if you change distros
[02:19] <bmo> it's suicidal to have / and /home on the same partition
[02:19] <fdoving> bmo: it's good practice if you change distros often. It's not a requirement at all.
[02:19] <bmo> that's what windows does.
[02:19] <fdoving> it's not.
[02:20] <bmo> no, it's not a requirement, but it's a _good idea_
[02:20] <fdoving> it can be a good idea.
[02:20] <bmo> fdoving, Windwos uses the whole drive for _everything_
[02:20] <elias_> I just imported all my old mails into kmail. Now I tried to find them on the disk so I can find out, how much disk space they occupy. But there is nothing in .kde/share/apps/kmail/mail!
[02:20] <abattoir> bmo: that'd depend on your requirements, i find it more useful having /home in /
[02:20] <abattoir> (i mean both in the same partition)
[02:20] <Arlington> well bmo how could i solve this? is it a common problem? my screen goes into powersaving when i have logged on to X and try to acces the textprompt via Ctrl-Alt-F(x) and when i'am shutting down...
[02:20] <fdoving> me too.
[02:21] <cpk2> whats the usefullness of having /home in /?
[02:21] <fdoving> cpk2: you can format / and keep /home
[02:22] <bmo> turn off power saving in kde
[02:22] <cpk2> fdoving: errr? so there is no difference to having them seperate?
[02:22] <bmo> there is a diff
[02:22] <bmo> fdoving misunderstood what you asked
[02:23] <fdoving> cpk2: if you have just one huge partition, if you format it, you (naturally) loose everything, including your /home stuff.
[02:23] <abattoir> cpk2: i have different kubuntu versions, and sharing a /home w/ different versions of different applications doesnt make sense, also I find it more flexible to use(in terms of disk usage)
[02:24] <fdoving> especially the part about disk usage.
[02:24] <bmo> oh please
[02:24] <bmo> disk usage is not an issue
[02:24] <bmo> disk space is dirt freakin' cheap
[02:24] <elias_> where are kmail mails stored?
[02:24] <abattoir> but that's just my(and fdoving's preference ;) ) if a separate /home works for you then its good, it's absolutely not a must
[02:25] <abattoir> elias_: ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail ?
[02:25] <abattoir> elias_: not sure, but it must be there...
[02:25] <cpk2> abattoir: alright thanks, that makes it clearer now, dont think I am going to be using more than one version of kubuntu at once =)
[02:25] <elias_> but it is not!
[02:26] <AeSSeD> Hi, Can I install kubuntu on HPT3xx controller raid software?
[02:26] <cpk2> and i think the odds of me possibly breaking my system might be fairly high =P so i would rather make it easier to save my data =)
[02:26] <abattoir> bmo: everyone might not have access to 'cheap' resources :), anyways, i think this is going into a flamewar, so i'll stop here ;)
[02:27] <cpk2> yeah didnt mean to start an argument, i just am slightly clueless on partitioning and the benefits and whatnot
[02:27] <elias_> abattoir: I just imported about 20.000 mails and the folder size is: .... OK found them. The mails themselves are in a hidden dir.
[02:27] <abattoir> elias_: in the same dir. i pointed out?
[02:28] <gronbaek> \away later
[02:29] <elias_> I strongly dislike the fact that mails are hidden in the .kde subdirs now. Makes it more likely to forget them if you migrate to another machine! Normal users dont know about .dot files and folders.
[02:29] <abattoir> elias_: i thought they were 'always' there...
[02:29] <abattoir> elias_: i'm sure there would be an option where you can choose where your mail goes
[02:31] <bmo> uhm
[02:31] <bmo> elias
[02:31] <bmo> kmail stores mail in Mail
[02:31] <bmo> as in ~/Mail
[02:31] <fdoving> bmo: that's not the point. I understand your argumentation for a separate /home partition. I used to have one myself when i often changed distros. Now that i don't change distro every second week, and don't partition/format/etc. every now and then. I find it more usefull to have one partition for everything. That way I have more space available and all. I perfectly understand your side of the discussion too. Espescially with more disks etc.l :)
[02:32] <bmo> fdoving: I tried dist-upgrading to edgy.  I broke my system.  I had to reformat and reinstall.  :-P
[02:32] <elias_> abattoir: there used to be an option but I can't find it no more. It is hidden somewhere in the KDE configuration jungle. And at least in debian they used to be in ~/Mail where I think they belong.
[02:32] <abattoir> bmo: did you have 'kubuntu-desktop' installed? ;)
[02:32] <Krazy> I'm trying to installing kubuntu.... but the partition editor won't let me create a swap partition... ?
[02:33] <bmo> unless you can tell me how to rollback from edgy in one easy command
[02:33] <abattoir> elias_: did you read what bmo said?
[02:33] <abattoir> elias_: they are apparently stored in ~/Mail here too
[02:33] <abattoir> elias_: dont use Kmail, so i dont know...
[02:33] <Krazy> any ideas why ?
[02:33] <abattoir> *I dont use Kmail...
[02:34] <abattoir> Krazy: it gives out any errors?
[02:34] <cpk2> argh it wont let me use a 70 meg partition as a mount point!!
[02:34] <Krazy> no. I've got 4gb between to windows partitions on this drive.. I'm trying to make that a 3.5gb root and a 500mb swap
[02:34] <bmo> that's silly
[02:35] <abattoir> Krazy: resizing works?
[02:35] <Krazy> yep
[02:35] <Krazy> it shows the space as "free"..
[02:35] <Krazy> but won't let me Create on it
[02:35] <abattoir> Krazy: what are the other options available?
[02:35] <gratis> who has the last beta of edgy kubuntu and can send me default wallpaper from it?
[02:35] <bmo> ok, I am seriuosly in need of random sleep
[02:36] <Krazy> if I have the empty 4gb I can create a partition. after that all I can do with the "free" is "property"
[02:36] <abattoir> Krazy: else in the next step, you can specify the mount point for the swap partition, and click on "Format"(or reformat), that should take care of it, i think
[02:37] <abattoir> Krazy: i mean, choose type as swap, and select the device, and make sure you 'format' that partition along with root in the next step
[02:37] <cpk2> is there a minimum size a mount point can be?
[02:38] <cpk2> err has to be*
[02:38] <bmo> cpk2 you can always sledgehammer a mount point by editing /etc/fstab.  if the installer balks, force it. heh
[02:38] <cpk2> i wondering if its even necessary to install with a /home
[02:39] <zorglu_> /home will be created anyway, you dont need a specific partition for it
[02:39] <bmo> yeah
[02:39] <bmo> it will be in /
[02:39] <zorglu_> if there is no specific partition, it will be put in the / partition
[02:39] <zorglu_> as bmo said :)
[02:39] <bmo> you can change it later
[02:39] <bmo> so let it fly
[02:39] <cpk2> alright so i am losing hair for nothing here?
[02:40] <bmo> yeah
[02:40] <main2> is there something to automaticly change my wallpaper under KDE?
[02:40] <Danker__> Can i mount two HDD to same point to have more space at specific path?
[02:40] <bmo> main2: right click on desktop
[02:40] <bmo> configure wallpaper to change
[02:40] <main2> thans
[02:40] <bmo> ok
[02:40] <main2> thanks, found it m8 - cheers =)
[02:40] <bmo> I am really going
[02:40] <bmo> good luck, all
[02:40] <zorglu_> Danker__: remember it is possible, with from unusual fs
[02:41] <main2> thanks bmo see you around, handsome guy =) :D
[02:41] <zorglu_> Danker__: from memory, it is 'unionfs' not sure at all about the name tho
[02:41] <bmo> hahahaha
[02:41] <cpk2> bye bmo thank you very much for all the help
[02:41] <bmo> latah
[02:41] <main2> what jackass that guy
[02:42] <main2> just kidding =) :D
[02:42] <zorglu_> http://www.am-utils.org/project-unionfs.html <- this seems to be it Danker__
[02:42] <cpk2> huh?
[02:42] <Krazy> abbatoir: i can't make 2 partitions at all.. in the next step it doesnt let me select "free" space.
[02:44] <abattoir> Krazy: hmmm... that's weird
[02:44] <Krazy> quite..
[02:44] <abattoir> Krazy: the part about you not being able to create the partition
[02:44] <fdoving> bmo: i can tell you how to rollback from edgy in one easy command. I just don't have the time right now. You can look at 'man apt_preferences' in the meanwhile. I have to work atleast two more hours, then I can give you step-by-step help.
[02:44] <Krazy> it just won't let me create more than 1 partition..
[02:44] <Danker__> thx
[02:44] <abattoir> Krazy: what is your disk layout?
[02:45] <Krazy> abbatoir: sda1: 13Gb ntfs / 4gb free / 120gb ntfs
[02:46] <abattoir> Krazy: are both the ntfs ones primary?
[02:46] <main2> how do i make a schortcut on my desktop to a folder?
[02:46] <abattoir> main2: Rt. Click create link to url(iirc)
[02:46] <main2> i have been able to do it once.. but i forgot how to do it
[02:46] <abattoir> main2: specify the path as the 'url'
[02:46] <main2> abattoir: tried that.. unsuccessfull
[02:47] <abattoir> main2: wait a sec, let me try it out
[02:47] <main2> no
[02:47] <main2> rofl, now it works
[02:47] <abattoir> :)
[02:47] <main2> tried it again now, and now its working - i dont know what went wrong then
[02:47] <main2> thanks abattoir :-)) im gratefull
[02:47] <abattoir> main2: no problem :)
[02:49] <abattoir> Krazy: it might complain about having more than 4 primary partitions
[02:49] <main2> is it possible to list the available updates after running 'apt-get update' ?
[02:49] <Krazy> abattoir: ok.. actually: sda: 25 Gb ntfs / 4Gb free / 120 gb ntfs..
[02:50] <abattoir> main2: generally apt-get update/ apt-get dist-upgrade shows which package it is going to upgrade
[02:50] <abattoir> main2: do you want a command to see a list?
[02:50] <main2> yes, please :)
[02:50] <main2> apt-get -u  << should display a list i think
[02:51] <Krazy> trying the same in QTParted... same probs
[02:52] <cpk2> Krazy: how many logical partitions?
[02:52] <Krazy> cpk2: not sure. on sda... 2 maybe besides free space
[02:53] <Krazy> blah. skipping the swap partition...
[02:54] <Krazy> kthanks for the effort!
[02:55] <abattoir> main2: hmm, didn't see that... no apt-show-versions -u does that
[02:55] <abattoir> main2: you'd need to install apt-show-versions
[02:55] <cpk2> what runlevel starts kdm?
[02:56] <cpk2> init 4?
[02:56] <main2> 2 i ithink
[02:58] <cpk2> uh oh
[02:59] <cpk2> doesnt seem to be picking up my keyboard
[03:00] <main2> cpk2: what do you mean by that?
[03:01] <zorglu_> cat /proc/1/cmdline will tell you the current runlevel
[03:01] <cpk2> as in my keyboard doesnt seem to give any input
[03:01] <zorglu_> init [2]  means you run in runlevel 2
[03:01] <cpk2> zorglu_: it was asking me what runlevel to use, and it didnt matter since apparently i was getting out put from keyboard
[03:01] <zorglu_> ok
[03:02] <cpk2> wasnt*
[03:02] <cpk2> keyboard wasnt wokring
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> runlevels 2-5 are all GUI
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> (EG all the same)
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1 is rescue mode (single user), 0 is halt, 6 is shutdown (iirc)
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> er, 6 is reboot
[03:03] <main2> 2 is normal init for starting up kde
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2 is the default runlevel, but 2-5 will all do the same thing
[03:04] <cpk2> its complaining that it cant find an init tab
[03:04] <cpk2> looks like i am going to have to boot from the live cd and make one?
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> cpk2, so you dont have /etc/inittab?
[03:04] <cpk2> apparently not
[03:04] <main2> Kamping_Kaiser: thats a ubuntu/debian thing then
[03:04] <gratis> who has the last beta of edgy kubuntu and can send me default wallpaper from it?
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> are you booted, or cant boot because its missing
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> main2, correct
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> debianism
[03:05] <main2> in my opinion this is abuse..
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> er....
[03:05] <LjL> what's abuse?
[03:05] <cpk2> it prompts during/after mounting root fs and apparently my keyboard drivers arent loaded in yet
[03:05] <main2> using all runlevels between 2-5 for starting up KDE
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> cpk2, yeh, you will need a live cd
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> main2, i think its a bit silly, but not abuse
[03:06] <LjL> hey, give those poor runlevels some use, they sit all day doing nothing!"
[03:06] <Dink>  I did a dist-upgrade and now trying to recompile my kernel cuz something went screwy with my ati drivers... no matter what I do i get mesa vs fglrx... someone mentioned wrong version of linux-restricted-modules but never had this problem prior to dist-upgrade.... trying to install libgt* packages and no luck
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> Dink, make sure you have linux-`uname -r` installed
[03:06] <cpk2> i have a feeling that bmo made a mistake suggestion /etc be on its own partition =P
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl cpk2
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> fraid so :)
[03:07] <main2> Kamping_Kaiser: well, im not forseeing any usage for the others soon...
[03:07] <Dink> im currently running 2.6.18
[03:07] <main2> but one is enough..
[03:07] <cpk2> Kamping_Kaiser: well better you learn these things at this point, before you even get your first boot in
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> cpk2, hehe. better to learn it now :)
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> main2, i dont see a problem with cloning the default runlevel across all spares
[03:08] <cpk2> who wants to memorize inits anyways?
[03:09] <cpk2> invoke-rc.d kdm stop/start is pretty easy
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> cpk2, depends how you use your system :) the redhat init method is (afaik) closer to the traditional method
[03:09] <main2> Kamping_Kaiser: its not a problem, but unnessacary
[03:10] <cpk2> i prefer invoke over init (used to use fedora)
[03:11] <josh_> who uses ssh here?
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> damn it, i dont care as long as it comes up properly! :)
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> josh_, me, and lots of otehrs :)
[03:11] <josh_> good... how do you get a welcome message to display?
[03:11] <zorglu_> josh_: put it in /etc/motd
[03:12] <josh_> or better still a message to display before the "login:?"
[03:12] <Dr_willis> josh_,  its mentioned in the sshd docs i do belive.. man sshd. man ssh
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> man sshd_config
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> has a stack of options :)
[03:12] <Dr_willis> the motd is normally shown after logging in, then theres one that can be shown befor logging in.
[03:12] <josh_> well i added a banner but that hasn't showed up... i dthink it only works for like scp
[03:12] <Dr_willis> and  i think ssh has its own
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> it does
[03:12] <cpk2> Kamping_Kaiser: so you think i should just redo my install with /etc inside of / partition or try to fix this? =)
[03:13] <josh_> cpk2: still having trouble?
[03:13] <Rambo3> does openoffice  have channel on freenode
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> cpk2, boot a live cd, and copy /etc/ onto / perhaps? it might work
[03:13] <[GuS] > if someone wants to test Beryl, here the packages for Edgy: http://rapidshare.de/files/34864047/Beryl_28-09-2006.tar.gz.html
[03:15] <Martijn81> Rambo3: use "/list office" without the quotes in the freenode tab/view
[03:18] <BluesKaj> howdy
[03:20] <zorglu_> [GuS] : about that, beryl.compiz will works on xgl and aiglx ? i dont even know if my question is relevant, i  dunno anything about those. does it show ? :)
[03:21] <zorglu_> [GuS] : in fact my question is more 'is the work done on compiz/beryl specific to xgl or can it work on aiglx as well' ?
[03:22] <[GuS] > yes  zorglu_
[03:23] <zorglu_> cool, thanks
[03:28] <mrbrdo_> hi
[03:29] <mrbrdo_> ever since i got kubuntu i have this problem - when i unplug any of my usb devices, and replug it, it doesn't work until i restart my KDE session
[03:30] <Dr_willis> what usb devices you refering to?
[03:30] <Dr_willis> I have a Lot of different usb devices.. not seen any issues.
[03:30] <mrbrdo_> usb mouse, usb sound card
[03:30] <mrbrdo_> i know other people don't have this problem, as far as i know, but i do -_-
[03:30] <mrbrdo_> i tried installing usbmount - didn't help
[03:30] <Dr_willis> Hmm.  check the dmesg messages perhaps.. get some sort of error messages/info
[03:32] <mrbrdo_> hm weird, now it works.. i don't know why it works sometimes and not the other time -_-
[03:32] <Dr_willis> it hates you. :)
[03:32] <mrbrdo_> yeah probably
[03:35] <cpk2> how would i go about formatting my sata drive and making it /home?
[03:35] <haroldo> gparted
[03:35] <haroldo> in knoppix
[03:36] <haroldo> then just run the installer
[03:36] <cpk2> ??
[03:36] <cpk2> i already have kubuntu installed
[03:36] <haroldo> ok i dont know then
[03:36] <cpk2> i have a sata drive that wouldnt format because the installer didnt like it
[03:37] <Nyuu> hi
[03:37] <haroldo> try formating in knoppix
[03:37] <haroldo> off a disc
[03:37] <cpk2> i dont have a knoppix iso
[03:38] <haroldo> i think you can get a small iso with gparted on it
[03:38] <haroldo> distrowatch.com
[03:38] <haroldo> glinux? :D
[03:38] <haroldo> gpuntu
[03:39] <Nyuu> i wanted to install kubuntu on a RAID0 controlled by the nForce4, and was told to use the alternate CD. So I did, but the partitionning utility don t see my RAID, it shows me the 2 drives but not the RAID
[03:39] <haroldo> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gparted
[03:39] <haroldo> gparted live cd
[03:39] <Nyuu> i have data that i don t wanna loose on the RAID, so i m back here for advices :)
[03:39] <haroldo> u still there cpk2
[03:40] <Nyuu> i played a little with the install utility, but no joy, no RAID, only the 2 discs
[03:40] <cpk2> yeah
[03:41] <cpk2> i dont think i need to run it from a live cd
[03:41] <cpk2> the drive isnt mounted or anything
[03:42] <haroldo> have you got a distro installed and is the sata hdd in the pc?
[03:43] <cpk2> yes
[03:43] <haroldo> run gparted on the sata disk to format it
[03:43] <haroldo> or fdisk etc...
[03:43] <DeadSouL> How can I make Dell Latitude's function button work in Kubuntu?
[03:43] <main2> can i use AIGLX with kubuntu, if so - are there any howto's?
[03:43] <DeadSouL> It's DeLL Latitude D500
[03:44] <main2> DeadSouL: do you know the keycode?
[03:44] <DeadSouL> Yeah
[03:44] <DeadSouL> but it does not work
[03:44] <DeadSouL> for ex Fn+End to mute sound but it does not work
[03:44] <haroldo> try the ubuntu forums or the #ubuntu channel
[03:44] <main2> it does work, is what housewives say.. when their compu is broken
[03:45] <DeadSouL> So, I can not make it happen :)
[03:45] <main2> you only say 'it doesnt work'... what do you expect
[03:45] <main2> that i pickup my glassboll and have a look?
[03:46] <Nyuu> did anyone managed to install kubuntu along with XP on the same RAID setup?
[03:47] <cpk2> i am doing fdisk right now
[03:47] <Nyuu> while googling i found i had to use something called dmraid
[03:47] <cpk2> then i will need to figure out how to make it home
[03:54] <fdoving> bmo: you can have a look at this for downgrading: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DowngradeHowto
[03:56] <cpk2> fdoving: do you know how I would make sda1 my /home after i fdisk it?
[03:57] <fdoving> cpk2: yes. you have fdisked it so the partition exists?
[03:57] <enrold> hi
[03:58] <fdoving> hi enrold.
[03:59] <cpk2> fdoving: i am about to fdisk it, dont want to do it until I know how to make it /home
[03:59] <main2> does something like 'kcharmpa' exist? or anything similar i can use to list the chars in a fontset ?
[04:01] <fdoving> cpk2: ok, it's empty and you don't have any data you want to keep on it? right?
[04:01] <cpk2> fdoving: correct
[04:01] <amd64> italiani?
[04:01] <fdoving> !it
[04:01] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:01] <amd64> ok ciaoooooooooooo
[04:02] <fdoving> cpk2: ok, i would suggest using 'qtparted' it's graphical. kmenu -> run command -> 'qtparted' run.
[04:04] <DeadSouL> How can I make Dell Latitude D500's Fn button work under Kubuntu?
[04:04] <cpk2> !sourceomatic
[04:04] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:04] <MDCore> hey guys.. where do I get decent ATI drivers ?
[04:05] <main2> nowhere
[04:05] <cpk2> fdoving: need to install it first =P
[04:05] <gratis> one of the candidates for town mayor in my place has "oopen source in all goverment offices in town"
[04:05] <main2> MDCore: they dont exist
[04:05] <MDCore> ok ?
[04:05] <MDCore> ah. so the default ubuntu drivers is "it" ?
[04:06] <grothesk> MDCore: There is a new repo prvoding recent drivers. Mom...
[04:06] <MDCore> cool...
[04:06] <grothesk> http://albertomilone.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/ubuntus-bleeding-edge-drivers/  MDCore
[04:06] <MDCore> thanks!!
[04:06] <grothesk> BUT!!! They are bleeding edge!
[04:06] <gratis> who has the last beta of edgy kubuntu and can send me default wallpaper from it?
[04:06] <main2> DeadSouL: once more..
[04:07] <grothesk> Don't cry if your X ist broken afterwards, MDCore
[04:07] <main2> did you use Xev, get the keycode and use it.. ?
[04:07] <MDCore> So I shouldn't install it on our web-server so that I can play counterstrike better ?
[04:07] <MDCore> thanks.. I won't cry.. I'll just replace the broken conf with my backup
[04:07] <MDCore> :)
[04:07] <grothesk> Your counterstrike server has absolutely NOTHING to do with those drivers!
[04:07] <main2> hahahahah
[04:08] <main2> you dont even need them
[04:08] <grothesk> Your server will server even without X.
[04:08] <main2> serve, not server :P
[04:08] <grothesk> Sure... Typo...
[04:09] <XVampireX> !java
[04:09] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[04:09] <main2> !penis
[04:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about penis - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:09] <main2> !unfriendly
[04:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unfriendly - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:09] <main2> Sorry, im annoying.
[04:09] <mez_> I just upgraded to Edgy, several packages are kept back... Any way to see why they're kept back?
[04:10] <XVampireX> !java
[04:10] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[04:11] <cpk2> !info qparted
[04:11] <ubotu> Package qparted does not exist in any distro I know
[04:12] <cpk2> !qparted
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:12] <cpk2> !info qtparted
[04:12] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu9 (dapper), package size 198 kB, installed size 704 kB
[04:13] <mdr> I've followed the wiki instructions on the nvida drivers several times.  Can some help me debug? "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" doesn't give any error message.
[04:13] <cpk2> fdoving: qtparted does *not* like sata drives, i am just going to fdisk it and hope i dont make a mistake
[04:14] <BluesKaj> cpk2, I use GParted vers3 and it works extremely well for linux and windows partitions
[04:14] <fdoving> cpk2: ok,what about cfdisk?
[04:14] <BluesKaj> it's a bootable live cd
[04:14] <BluesKaj> dunno about using cfdisk
[04:14] <fdoving> BluesKaj: i've used the livecd too, it's good.
[04:15] <fdoving> even got partimage :)
[04:15] <cpk2> whats cfdisk?
[04:15] <cpk2> and is it really that bad for me to try fdisk?
[04:15] <fdoving> cpk2: a tool similar to fdisk, just a little bit easier to understand.
[04:15] <cpk2> i dont think i'm *that* big of a noob
[04:16] <cpk2> fdoving: I am staring at a fdisk how to, will i be able to easily do it with that?
[04:16] <fdoving> cpk2: i prefer cfdisk to fdisk.
[04:16] <BluesKaj> yeah fdoving, i was able to expand my linux hda3 partition from 30G to 60G with no prob and i still have 95G for Windows when i need it
[04:16] <mdr> I know the nvidia drivers should work because it was installed 3 weeks ago on this very same box.  I've did a complete reinstall yesterday.
[04:17] <cpk2> my biggest concern is getting rid of hda6 at /home at moving it to sda1 at /home
[04:17] <cpk2> and moving*
[04:17] <BluesKaj> mdr, you may have to update the drivers
[04:17] <fdoving> i'll walk you through that.
[04:18] <fdoving> cpk2: i just have to send 3 mails first. hang on.
[04:18] <cpk2> and cfdisk isnt in the repo anyways =\
[04:18] <mdr> BluesKaj ok but I just apt-getted them yesterday.  What do I do to update them?
[04:19] <cpk2> oh nm kde comes with cfdisk, but it gives me a fatal error cannot open disk drive
[04:20] <sonic> H, can anyone help me. I need to know how to add stuff to the PATH
[04:20] <main2> cpk2: what command did you enter?
[04:20] <BluesKaj> mdr, go to the nvidia site and look for updates for linux drivers
[04:20] <cpk2> cfdisk
[04:22] <mdr> Then what?  In other words I've already installed the nvidia-glx package. What if anything, do I do about that?
[04:22] <cpk2> alright i manned cfdisk and figured it out
[04:23] <cpk2> do i want a primary or logical partition?
[04:23] <fdoving> cpk2: primary.
[04:25] <cpk2> cfdisk doesnt let me pick FS type?
[04:25] <fdoving> cpk2: you should just pick partition type.
[04:26] <gratis> what cd-r (with lightscribe) do you think that are the best (not looking on the price)?
[04:26] <cpk2> ok i wrote the partition table
[04:27] <fdoving> cpk2: ok, what's the device name /dev/sd??
[04:27] <Hawkwind> gratis: Currently about the only ones that do lightscribe are HP.  The media is just too expensive and I don't know that the technology works in Linux yet
[04:27] <cpk2> sda1
[04:28] <cpk2> i dont need to tell it to use ext3?
[04:28] <fdoving> cpk2: ok, now you're done with the partitioning. Next step is formatting. 'mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1'
[04:28] <fdoving> cpk2: assuming you're in a root shell.
[04:30] <cpk2> mkfs is chugging along
[04:30] <cpk2> thanks alot for the help fdoving!
[04:30] <gratis> do you know lightscribe pictures of kubuntu ready to burn on cd-r surface?
[04:32] <fdoving> cpk2: now when you're done, you'll be able to mount it. I understand you have files you want to move to the new /home partition?
[04:32] <cpk2> fdoving: this is a fresh install so i suppose that nothing really does need to be moved to the new /home?
[04:33] <fdoving> cpk2: ok. good.
[04:33] <fdoving> cpk2: now. run 'nano /etc/fstab'
[04:34] <cpk2> alright
[04:34] <fdoving> cpk2: do you have a /home partition there? or did you go for one big for / ?
[04:34] <cpk2> wait i need to unmount the partition that home is on right now correct? there is a /home
[04:34] <fdoving> no need yet.
[04:35] <cpk2> hrmm it still says sda1 is ntfs, i guess fstab doesnt update that fast?
[04:35] <fdoving> fstab doesn't update at all. you'll have to update it.
[04:36] <cpk2> oh
[04:36] <fdoving> cpk2: now, find the line for the current /home partition.
[04:36] <fdoving> probably: /dev/hda6 /home something...
[04:37] <cpk2> actually it IS hda6 =P
[04:37] <fdoving> i know, you told me :)
[04:37] <fdoving> cpk2: now, just change it to /dev/sda1
[04:38] <fdoving> cpk2: and remove the other line, with the old /dev/sda1 stuff..
[04:38] <cpk2> its that easy? wow
[04:38] <fdoving> it is.
[04:38] <fdoving> you'll have to re-create the home directories, so let's just do that too, while we're at it.
[04:39] <fdoving> you have only one user, right?
[04:39] <hussam> will edgy have kde 3.5.5?
[04:39] <Hawkwind> hussam: No
[04:39] <Hawkwind> hussam: It's got 3.5.4
[04:39] <cpk2> and hda6 goes into the great big void eh?
[04:39] <hussam> oh
[04:39] <cpk2> good thing i made hda6 only 250megs
[04:39] <hussam> Hawkwind, but 3.5.5 will branch out 3 weeks before edgy
[04:40] <cpk2> yeah i literally just finished installing, only thing i have done is apt-get qtparted and apt-get update
[04:40] <fdoving> cpk2: ok. what's your username?
[04:40] <gratis> i need this wallpaper: http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution=Kubuntu%206.10%20Beta who can send it ?
[04:40] <cpk2> cpk1 heh
[04:40] <fdoving> cpk2: ok.
[04:41] <Hawkwind> gratis: It's part of edgy
[04:41] <abattoir> gratis: dcc?
[04:42] <Hawkwind> abattoir: You going to send it ?
[04:42] <gratis> Hawkwind - i know, but i can`t istall edgy right now but i need this wallpaper
[04:42] <abattoir> Hawkwind: i shouldn't ?
[04:42] <fdoving> cpk2: now, in the root konsole, run: 'mkdir /home2;mount /dev/sda1 /home2'
[04:42] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Sure you should.  I was asking if you were going to, if not, I would :)
[04:42] <fdoving> cpk2: that makes the directory /home2, and mounts your new home partition to it.
[04:42] <Hawkwind> gratis: Sure it's not a matter of 'want' instead of 'need' :P
[04:42] <abattoir> aah ok, i'll send it ;)
[04:43] <abattoir> gratis: pm me
[04:43] <cpk2> is that a semi colon or colon?
[04:43] <Hawkwind> semicolon
[04:43] <abattoir> heh
[04:43] <fdoving> cpk2: semi.
[04:44] <gratis> abattoir sec
[04:44] <Sethie> I'm trying to install Kubuntu from the live cd and everything goes fine till I get to the copying part. It always stops at about 93%, and it does nothing anymore. I checked the CD for errors (option from the boot menu, yet it says the cd is good.) What can I do?
[04:45] <fdoving> cpk2: now, you've got /home2 mounted, run 'cp -r /home/ /home2/'
[04:45] <abattoir> gratis: wait i'll see if imageshack or something accepts it
[04:45] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Put it on your webhost :P
[04:45] <fdoving> cpk2: after that,run 'umount -l /home2' and reboot. (you can do this without a reboot, but i would recommend rebooting to check that everything works.)
[04:46] <abattoir> Hawkwind: heh, i'm too lazy to do that :P
[04:46] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Heh, the joys of using scp from a terminal :)
[04:46] <cpk2> err was i supposed to do cp as root? or will i need to chown home now?
[04:46] <abattoir> Hawkwind: fish:/ is easire actually :P
[04:46] <abattoir> *easier
[04:46] <Hawkwind> abattoir: True, or sftp://
[04:48] <fdoving> cpk2: as root, and you're of course right. run 'chown cpk1.cpk1 -R /home2/cpk1' before umount.
[04:48] <cpk2> already rebooting, i will just chown it when it starts back up
[04:48] <cpk2> thank you for the hand holding though fdoving =)
[04:49] <Hawkwind> fdoving: We should have all that on a wiki page :)
[04:49] <abattoir> gratis and anyone else who needs the edgy wallpaper: http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kubuntuwallpaperiy3.png
[04:49] <fdoving> cpk2: a better solution would be to use 'rsync' instead of cp. that would preserve the ownership.
[04:49] <cpk2> the wiki is incredibly lacking when it comes to formatting i noticed
[04:50] <Arlington> hi agaun
[04:50] <Arlington> again
[04:50] <Arlington> bmo:-)
[04:50] <gratis> abattor - thanks, i`ll bookmark it for new generations :D
[04:50] <fdoving> Hawkwind: feel free to use it. everything i say is under a 'take it an use it for whatever you want'-lisence. :)
[04:50] <Arlington> i have a question for ya.
[04:50] <abattoir> gratis: :)
[04:51] <fdoving> s,s,c
[04:51] <Hawkwind> fdoving: That's a great license.  I happen to use that one too for everything I do :)
[04:51] <cpk2> fdoving: =\ too bad i already cp'd but it wont hurt permisions for future accounts right?
[04:51] <Arlington> any one who can help me with a problem. i have kubuntu up and runnig just fine but i can't shut her down right.
[04:51] <fdoving> cpk2: no, that would only affect your homedir. and it's pretty easy to fix.
[04:52] <Arlington> when i choose to shut down it logs out but the compouter dosnt shut down
[04:54] <cpk2> fdoving: i dont seem to have a /home/cpk1 or /home2/cpk1
[04:54] <cpk2> just a /home and /home2
[04:55] <cpk2> oops i found it in /home/home/cpk1 ???
[04:55] <fdoving> ah.
[04:55] <Hawkwind> Heh
[04:56] <fdoving> (was that my fault?) :] 
[04:56] <bluch> eehm
[04:56] <fdoving> it was :)
[04:56] <bluch> how can i run a virtual computer on Kubuntu?
[04:56] <Hawkwind> bluch: Use vmware ?
[04:57] <cpk2> hehe i was worried there might be quite a few /home =P
[04:57] <bluch> how do i install?
[04:57] <cpk2> also gave me an empty lost+found in each home
[04:58] <Hawkwind> bluch: sudo apt-get install vmware-player
[04:58] <cpk2> hopefully there is a clean way out of this?
[04:59] <bluch> yeah that doesnt work, when i load a .vmx it sais:  could not open /dev/vmmon: no such file or directory
[05:00] <Hawkwind> bluch: You need to set it up first by doing vmware-installer.pl  IIRC
[05:00] <Hawkwind> bluch: vmware-config.pl  actually
[05:00] <bluch> in a terminal?
[05:00] <Hawkwind> Yes
[05:01] <bluch> command not found
[05:01] <abe_> morning all, how do I create a mailing list to be used in kmail?
[05:02] <gratis> abattoir - so now i have: http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clipboard01kh6.jpg
[05:03] <cpk2> did fdoving run away? hehe
[05:03] <baby> when i try to install macromedia flash 7 for my firefox it gives an error like my proccessor doesnt support that application..what should i do?
[05:04] <abattoir> gratis: bleh, you wanted it for windows?
[05:04] <abattoir> :P
[05:05] <baby> when i try to install macromedia flash 7 for my firefox it gives an error like my proccessor doesnt support that application..what should i do? and my proccessor is AMD 64
[05:07] <abattoir> gratis: didn't notice the ticker though ;)
[05:07] <abattoir> nice
[05:07] <abattoir> windows grabbed all of my attn. ;)
[05:07] <segfault_> baby, i dont use amd64 but iirc there are no flash binaries for it, ull have to use 32bit firefox or do without
[05:07] <bluch> (Hawkwind) do i need to install vmware on linux first? or is vmplayer enough?
[05:08] <Hawkwind> bluch: Just install it on the machine you want to run it on.  Then you use it to install any OS you want
[05:08] <Arlington> anyone who knows anything about lock ups when trying to use Ctrl-Alt-F(x)
[05:08] <Hawkwind> !vmware
[05:08] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[05:08] <Sethie> I'm trying to install Kubuntu from the live cd and everything goes fine till I get to the copying part. It always stops at about 93%, and it does nothing anymore. I checked the CD for errors (option from the boot menu, yet it says the cd is good.) What can I do?
[05:08] <cpk2> try the alternate cd
[05:08] <baby> segfault: is there a 32 bit firefox on the net?
[05:09] <bluch> ok
[05:09] <cpk2> baby: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[05:09] <segfault_> baby, of course there are lots of 32bit users for it, tho i dont know the procedure for running a 32bit app on a 64 processor, but someone with amd64 should be able to help you
[05:10] <cpk2> i wonder...
[05:10] <cpk2> !64bitflash
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 64bitflash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <magical_trevsky> hi, I want to update my system, but xchat is on the list of upgrades, and i don't want the new version.. is there any way to stop xchat from updating but let everything else work as normal?
[05:11] <segfault_> magical_trevsky, google for apt-pinning
[05:12] <gnomefreak> cpk2: there is not flash for 64bit you need to use gplflash ot something like it
[05:12] <gnomefreak> !pin
[05:12] <ubotu> pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[05:12] <cpk2> fdoving: while i am interested to see what the fix for /home/home is i think in the interest of our time I will just install again (oh well) and since my sata is formatted ext3 i should be able to make it /home
[05:13] <magical_trevsky> segfault_, gnomefreak, thanks :)
[05:13] <cpk2> gnomefreak: i was just seeing if it liked to that page i gave to baby
[05:13] <gnomefreak> magical_trevsky: yw
[05:13] <cpk2> linked*
[05:13] <gnomefreak> ah
[05:15] <Hawkwind> cpk2: Why not just do: cd /home/home/cpk1 and then do mv * ..
[05:15] <Hawkwind> cpk2: Or something similar with move it to where it needs to be accordingly
[05:16] <fdoving> cpk2: ah.. fix for that? that's easy. mv /home/home/cpk1 /home/;rmdir /home/home
[05:16] <Electrolyte> Can anyone recommend me a better VNC server? The one that comes with KDE uses 100% CPU when a client is connected - eg, it's crap :/
[05:16] <Ace2007> hi all
[05:16] <Ace2007> can someone tell me where i can get the patch for kdesu that kubuntu applies?
[05:17] <cpk2> what about the left over home2?
[05:17] <SillyZ> mornin Hawkwind
[05:17] <Hawkwind> SillyZ: Hey there
[05:17] <fdoving> cpk2: won't do any harm. you can delete it 'rmdir /home2'
[05:18] <trappist> Ace2007: apt-get source kdesu and look inside the new dir, in debian/patches
[05:18] <Ace2007> trappist: Thanks
[05:19] <scheuri> Hi all....sorry for bothering you, but I managed to delete something from my panel...that part showed me all open applications (such as konversation, gaim, kontact, etc.), but now its gone and I dont know how to retrieve it
[05:19] <trappist> Electrolyte: that's usually a configuration issue.  that is, if it polls the whole screen constantly, you can expect that.  you can configure (most) vnc servers to, say, only poll the area under the mouse, or only poll the whole screen periodically, make it not draw the desktop background, etc.
[05:20] <Hawkwind> scheuri: Right click on the panel -> Add applet to panel -> Taskbar
[05:20] <Electrolyte> trappist - even if it's full screen, it shouldn't use 100% CPU.
[05:20] <trappist> scheuri: or Desktop Preview & Pager, if that's what you meant
[05:20] <scheuri> Hawkwind: uhm...well...I have not taskbar to choose...?
[05:20] <trappist> Electrolyte: if it polls the whole screen, wallpaper and all, constantly, it's been my experience that it becomes a serious cpu hog.
[05:21] <scheuri> trappist: taskbar sounts quite good...but cant find it...
[05:21] <scheuri> I am in KDE by the way...:)
[05:21] <Hawkwind> scheuri: There should be an option for taskbar I believe
[05:21] <scheuri> but that should be obvious
[05:21] <trappist> scheuri: it should definitely be there, once you're looking at the list of applets to add
[05:21] <scheuri> Hawkwind: right click on panel -> add aplet (or miniprogram) and then there should be taskbar? no sorry
[05:21] <Electrolyte> trappist - sorry, VNC doesn't do this on Windows. I'll just try Tight VNC.
[05:22] <Hawkwind> scheuri: Strange.  There is that option here
[05:22] <Hawkwind> Taskbar - The default task bar for window management is what mine says
[05:22] <trappist> Electrolyte: I do recommend tightvnc, but last time this happened to me, it was *on* windows.  I just had to configure it to poll more conservatively.
[05:22] <sim_> guys how can i add video & audio codecs for kubuntu ?
[05:22] <trappist> !codecs
[05:22] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:22] <trappist> sim_: ^
[05:23] <abe_> does anyone here use kmail?
[05:23] <luoluo> hi room
[05:23] <scheuri> Hawkwind: you get a list with all that stuff...including trash, k-menue and such, right?
[05:23] <sim_> thnx
[05:23] <luoluo> this is my 1st time to here
[05:23] <scheuri> Hawkwind: all the thins you may add, right? and in that choices there should be a taskbar, right?
[05:23] <luoluo> wow. so many guys here
[05:23] <Hawkwind> scheuri: That is correct
[05:23] <scheuri> aaaaaaaahahahaha....GOT IT....thaaaaaaaaaanks
[05:24] <scheuri> Hawkwind: maaany thanks....it sounds totally differen in german, buthey....I found it
[05:24] <Hawkwind> scheuri: Hah.  No problem
[05:24] <luoluo> anyone got idea to burn DVD faster?
[05:24] <scheuri> abe_: I use kmail....
[05:24] <trappist> abe_: I bet everybody that uses kmail is waiting for you to ask a specific question
[05:24] <Hawkwind> luoluo: Faster than what exactly ?
[05:25] <trappist> except scheuri
[05:25] <BluesKaj> abe, kmail is a PITA to set up, try mozilla Thunderbird
[05:25] <scheuri> ;)
[05:25] <luoluo> faster than 1x or 2x
[05:25] <trappist> who wants to volunteer to answer a question he hasn't heard
[05:25] <luoluo> my DVD-rw is 16x
[05:25] <scheuri> BluesKaj: I can not second that actually...
[05:25] <trappist> BluesKaj: that's patently false
[05:25] <abe_> actually I did ask one awhile ago :)
[05:25] <Hawkwind> luoluo: Maybe the media doesn't allow the burning speed to be faster.  I have certain media type that are rated 16x but will only burn at 4x
[05:25] <abe_> how do I create a mailing list?
[05:25] <cpk2> fdoving: many thanks for all the help =D
[05:25] <Hawkwind> luoluo: Then I have other media that is 8x that burns at 16x
[05:25] <lupine_85> !mailman
[05:25] <ubotu> mailman: Powerful, web-based mailing list manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.5-9ubuntu4.1 (dapper), package size 6457 kB, installed size 31632 kB
[05:25] <BluesKaj> well then don't but but for newbs it's just easy to use and it works
[05:26] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Not what he wants :P
[05:26] <scheuri> abe_: as in...contact groups to mail instead of inserting every single mailadress?
[05:26] <trappist> abe_: not in kmail - a mailing list is a server thing
[05:26] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: He wants to do it from within kmail
[05:26] <abe_> scheuri, exactly
[05:26] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Which can't be done :)
[05:26] <gratis> i and my dogs will donor blood on 26th october to accent more that day
[05:26] <lupine_85> oh, I dunno
[05:26] <gratis> dogs = friends
[05:26] <cpk2> fdoving: one last question though (i hope) is root going to own future users home folder as well?
[05:26] <scheuri> abe_: that is a very good question...had the same trouble once...failed...and got another solution which made me not investigating further..sorry...:(
[05:26] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Please the conversation here in the channel so others can see and possibly help
[05:26] <Hawkwind> Ermmm, sorry
[05:27] <Hawkwind> luoluo: That was for you
[05:27] <lupine_85> dirty hacks make it possible :)
[05:27] <abe_> np
[05:27] <lupine_85> but mailman is the future
[05:27] <BluesKaj> scheuri, I don't see the point in setting up a complicated user unfriendly email program like kmail when thunderbird works so well
[05:27] <abe_> I don't want to go back to thunderbird
[05:27] <lupine_85> (and the past)
[05:27] <luoluo> Hawkwind
[05:27] <abe_> should I post an rfe?
[05:27] <lupine_85> it's... interesting
[05:27] <Arlington> what do i need to install to play my mp3's?
[05:27] <abe_> I used to use thunderbird
[05:27] <scheuri> BluesKaj: and I dont see the point to just say its unfriendly because it is differen...I use both...they are different...so? I like Kmail...others do so too...
[05:27] <abe_> Arlington, try xmms
[05:28] <bluch> is there an other programm to create virtual pc's with?
[05:28] <Hawkwind> luoluo: Just because the media states up to 16x doesn't mean it will burn at that speed.  As I stated, I have media that says 16x and only does 4x and no higher.  I have other media(Sony) that states 8x as the highest, yet it burns at 16x
[05:28] <trappist> BluesKaj: kmail is quite nice and easy to configure.  why use something like thunderbird when you have something powerful and desktop-integrated like kmail.
[05:28] <lupine_85> I still prefer thunderbird, but it eats too much RAM :(
[05:28] <scheuri> thunderbird is great...sure...:)...
[05:28] <lupine_85> konqueror beats the pants off of firefox though
[05:28] <trappist> bluch: other than what
[05:28] <luoluo> but the same media can burn at 16x under MS windowsXP
[05:28] <Hawkwind> trappist: Because linux is about choice :)
[05:28] <abe_> try Oper
[05:28] <lupine_85> thunderbird is "ok" :p
[05:28] <BluesKaj> ahh , now we have linux purists out of the woodwork :)
[05:29] <abe_> er, Opera
[05:29] <abe_> it's fast
[05:29] <lupine_85> I might end up going back to mutt ;)
[05:29] <trappist> Hawkwind: that's sort of my point - my other point is, if you're gonna use kde, you're better off using kde (as in kmail and friends)
[05:29] <scheuri> BluesKaj: ooh myyy...just because we do not agree with you we are purists?
[05:29] <Hawkwind> luoluo: That doesn't mean it will do the same in Linux unfortunately :(
[05:29] <trappist> lupine_85: I switched from kmail to mutt like 5 years ago, then back to kmail about 2 years ago :)
[05:29] <luoluo> sigh...
[05:29] <BluesKaj> just funnin' ya s scheuri :)
[05:29] <scheuri> :)
[05:30] <Hawkwind> trappist: Then I guess I'm in a world of trouble.  I use E17 and there aren't mail programs and file managers for it.  Just because you use a wm/de doesn't mean you are better off using what that wm/de offers
[05:30] <luoluo> so what I can do is transferring the files which's going to be burnt to windows Machine
[05:30] <abe_> the other problem I have in kmail is, you can't have more than 10 conditions in any single filter
[05:30] <luoluo> thx anyway Hawkwind!
[05:30] <Hawkwind> luoluo: What are you using to burn the files, as in what program ?
[05:30] <abe_> I would use k3b, imho
[05:31] <lupine_85> k3b++ :)
[05:31] <trappist> Hawkwind: in the case of kde/kmail you are.  you get a lot of extra very nice features from the integration.
[05:31] <luoluo> NeroLinux
[05:31] <luoluo> I use NeroLinux
[05:31] <Hawkwind> luoluo: Try using k3b and see what happens
[05:31] <trappist> lupine_85: use k3b.  you'll be pleasantly surprised by how it compares to nero.
[05:31] <bluch> other then vmware
[05:31] <luoluo> tried, and same problem
[05:31] <abe_> k3b is a good program
[05:31] <Hawkwind> luoluo: Not to bash anything, but the linux version of Nero is a pretty crappy port and is lacking of features
[05:31] <lupine_85> I do use k3b
[05:32] <lupine_85> k3b is great
[05:32] <abe_> yes it is lupine_85
[05:32] <luoluo> burn a DVD would take 30-40 mins
[05:32] <Hawkwind> luoluo: Are you sure you have it set to burn at maximum speed ?
[05:32] <luoluo> I'm sure
[05:32] <abe_> -r or + r, luoluo ?
[05:32] <Hawkwind> luoluo: Again, just because it states 16x doesn't mean it's going to burn at that speed in all OS's unfortunately
[05:32] <luoluo> -r
[05:32] <BluesKaj> if yer trying to burn video files devede24 works well in conjunction with K3b
[05:32] <abe_> that's why, Luro
[05:32] <Pensacola> why is kmail better than thunderbird?
[05:32] <luoluo> i know.
[05:32] <abe_> er luoluo
[05:33] <Hawkwind> Staples brand DVD-R are rated at 16x and they burn at 4x here for me in both Linux and Windows
[05:33] <Hawkwind> Pensacola: No one said it was
[05:33] <abe_> -r burns much slower than + r
[05:33] <Hawkwind> Pensacola: It's all about choice actually.  What is better for one person might be horrible for the next
[05:33] <Hawkwind> abe_: Huh ?
[05:33] <Pensacola> let me refrase that: why do you some people prefer kmail? :)
[05:33] <scheuri> Pensacola: that is probably point of view...I personally like the features, the integration into KDE...
[05:33] <abe_> what, Hawkwind ?
[05:33] <Hawkwind> abe_: I have +/-R and they both burn at the same speeds.  Though again, its media dependant
[05:33] <luoluo> I've burned the same brand DVD-r under WinXP hundreds times, works very well.
[05:33] <Pensacola> I'm thinking about switching from mozilla to the native kde applications
[05:34] <trappist> Pensacola: I prefer it because I use kde, and kmail is well-integrated into kde, which gives it some bonus points.  I also prefer the design.
[05:34] <Pensacola> ok thx for your opinions
[05:34] <gratis> does original return to castle wolfstein cd work ok with ubuntu?
[05:34] <lupine_85> no idea
[05:34] <trappist> gratis: yes
[05:34] <scheuri> Pensacola: however, if you are using thunderbird on windows AND linux, you do not need to change a lot...and you can "import" by simply copying files
[05:35] <trappist> gratis: of course you have to download the linux client for it
[05:35] <lupine_85> use you can use enemy territory/TC:E tough :)
[05:35] <luoluo> Hawkwind, I've tried http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=128721, and make no sense
[05:35] <gratis> trappist - but from id software, right?
[05:35] <Pensacola> yeah I've been using thunderbird on windows but I haven't booted into windows for quite some time now
[05:35] <trappist> gratis: I don't recall.  but I think google does :)
[05:35] <Pensacola> I only have it installed for gaming at the moment :)
[05:36] <Hawkwind> luoluo: Strange thing, I have that exact burner, NEC 3520A
[05:36] <scheuri> gratis: aye...its an official (gratis) linux client...you just need an oringinal CD
[05:36] <Pensacola> kubuntu is way better for most tasks
[05:36] <Hawkwind> luoluo: Try a different brand of DVD media and see if it changes
[05:36] <luoluo> oh...
[05:36] <luoluo> alright, i'll take ur advice, thx
[05:36] <luoluo> Hawkwind, where r u from?
[05:37] <gratis> scheuri - what other game author do that for linux what id software?
[05:37] <SillyZ> loki used to make games for linux til they went out of business , you may be able to find a few of them floating around
[05:37] <scheuri> gratis: unfortunately not many...its merely ID and a few others...some make native linux games, some special install clients for Windows CDs
[05:37] <SillyZ> loki-games that is
[05:37] <lupine_85> Bioware!!
[05:37] <lupine_85> NWN++
[05:38] <SillyZ> Americas Army is a good one
[05:38] <gratis> ok, what`s more?
[05:38] <luoluo> I may ask u some other Ubuntu question later, but I need to make sure u can be reached.
[05:38] <SillyZ> HeavyGear by Loki games was good
[05:38] <scheuri> gratis: there is a special section at www.ubuntuforums.org
[05:38] <riri> imbrandon ?
[05:39] <riri> is it possible to install nmm on edgy ?
[05:39] <riri> i compiled kde4 but have no sound because no nmm-photon
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Can I make a for loop in bash with a range?
[05:41] <DaSkreech> like from [1 - 100]  ?
[05:41] <BluesKaj> is the latest edgy stable and hardwre friendly ?
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Hardware friendly?
[05:42] <BluesKaj> yeah
[05:42] <b_52Centos> do you know tutorials to customize / tunning kde look ?
[05:42] <bluch> !qemu
[05:42] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[05:42] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, does it recognize most hardware
[05:42] <Pensacola> I'm having some problems making konquerer accepting javascript and cookies only from sites wich I allow it to
[05:42] <abe_> cxan anyone think of why a downloaded theme would not owrk after it was installed?
[05:43] <abe_> can*
[05:43] <abe_> work*
[05:43] <Hawkwind> luoluo: I'm in the US and I'm always here as are a lot of the guys/gals here now who are regulars of this channel
[05:43] <DaSkreech> I would suspect it would be better at it than dapper
[05:43] <luoluo> ok Hawkwind
[05:44] <BluesKaj> suspect eh ...ok , not definite
[05:44] <DaSkreech> I've only used it on one computer which I wouldn't call esoteric
[05:44] <gratis> scheuri - thanks
[05:44] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: ask in #ubuntu+1
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Hi gratis
[05:44] <luoluo> I'm in China, more and more guys here r using Ubuntu.
[05:45] <luoluo> it's later now here, cya guys...
[05:45] <BluesKaj> Edgy is not stable, it is for development only.  Do not use this on production machines.  Does anyone read the topic anyway?  Edgy still contains many bugs!".
[05:46] <gnomefreak> no they dont
[05:46] <BluesKaj> ok, got the message, loud and clear
[05:46] <gratis> DaSkreech hi
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Bye luoluo
[05:50] <Bluecandy> hi
[05:50] <Bluecandy> anyone here who wants to help me
[05:50] <DaSkreech> !ask
[05:50] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:50] <DaSkreech> !help
[05:50] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[05:51] <BluesKaj> Bluecandy, just ask yer question
[05:51] <Bluecandy> i cant boot (k)ubuntu edgy since the first knot. i get a MMCONFIG bios error, but thats on much distros, it takes a minute and its fine (fixed in 2.6.18) but after that i get "cant read/access on hda" or something. i have a s-ata drive, so it should be sda
[05:51] <Bluecandy> dapper works fine
[05:52] <DaSkreech> Maybe your grub config needs to be redone?
[05:52] <Bluecandy> i want to run the livecd
[05:52] <Bluecandy> desktop cd to install it
[05:52] <Bluecandy> i think alternate would work but i want a solution for the desktop cd
[05:53] <maddog75> hi. a mate has corrupted his partition table. it had a single ext2 partition across the whole drive. is it possible to rebuild the partition table and restore the partiton#?
[05:54] <DaSkreech> are you booting from a Live Cd?
[05:55] <Bluecandy> yes, if you asked me
[05:55] <geoff270> anyone know how to setup port forwarding+trigger ports for amule w Westee Versalink 327
[05:55] <geoff270> Westell
[06:03] <arunkale> is there any way i can make the  playback quality better in amarok?
[06:04] <llisper> Greetings! Anyone know how to break (install) packages in the Adept package manager?
[06:04] <jpatrick> llisper: find out what the problem is
[06:05] <jpatrick> llisper: open the konsole and try to see what it says there
[06:05] <llisper> jpatrick: Well I want to install pgadmin3 package but it says that libc required > some version ...  etc ..
[06:06] <Arlington> i can't get my mp3's to play... any one can help?
[06:06] <Hawkwind> !mp3 > Arlington
[06:07] <Arlington> yeah i know but i have looked in the multiverse repository but can't find libxnie extracodecs...
[06:07] <magnus> !nvidia
[06:07] <Hawkwind> Arlington: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[06:07] <geoff270> Arlington, what player are you using, if xmms, get the mp3addon
[06:08] <Hawkwind> !info libxine-extracodecs
[06:08] <geoff270> Arlington, amarok will play mp3 outright
[06:08] <toxidas> hey
[06:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:09] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[06:09] <Arlington> amarok won't ay a sound.
[06:09] <toxidas> which kde is kubuntu6.0.6 using ? anyone help me?
[06:09] <arunkale> Arlington: do you have all necessary repos enabled?
[06:09] <fdoving> toxidas: 3.5.2
[06:10] <Arlington> repos? :-S
[06:10] <Hawkwind> toxidas: It came with 3.5.2 though 3.5.4 is available as well
[06:10] <toxidas> ok thanx how can upgrade to 3.5.4 than?
[06:10] <Hawkwind> toxidas: Just add the kde-latest repo and it will update for you to 3.5.4
[06:10] <toxidas> which is?
[06:10] <arunkale> Arlington: repositories
[06:10] <Arlington> yes i have .
[06:11] <arunkale> and you searched for libxine-extracodecs ?
[06:11] <Hawkwind> toxidas: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest dapper main
[06:11] <Hawkwind> !info libxine-extracodecs
[06:11] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[06:11] <ja_> Adept Notifier has alerted me to a few updates that are available. Is there somewhere I can see what the difference is between the old and new package? I want to know what bug/issue has been resolved.
[06:12] <Hawkwind> Arlington: Can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://pastebin.ulteo.us for us all to see
[06:12] <toxidas> thax alot
[06:12] <Arlington> main restricted universe multiverse
[06:12] <BluesKaj> Hawkwind, how do i get system settings to remember myscreensaver settings ? ... they revert to default after each logout
[06:12] <Arlington> how do i view my sourcelist so i can paste it later?
[06:13] <Hawkwind> Arlington: Several ways, cat /etc/apt/sources.list or you can open it with any editor like kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:13] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: No idea on that one.  I use xscreensaver exclusively
[06:13] <Arlington> sorry i'am totaly new to this.. how do i do that?
[06:14] <BluesKaj> Hawkwind, xscreensaver ?
[06:14] <octan> is there codecs from playing wma files in kubuntu amd 64?
[06:14] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Yes, xscreensaver
[06:14] <fdoving> Arlington: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:14] <llisper> Arlington: I had the same problem too. Just open konsole and enter "sudo adept"
[06:14] <octan> so
[06:14] <octan> kdesu
[06:14] <arunkale> Arlington: PMed you a link, check it out
[06:14] <octan> kdesu adept :P
[06:14] <llisper> Arlington: there you can use a GUI
[06:15] <octan> is there a ubuntu 64 channel?
[06:15] <Hawkwind> octan: Not that I know of, but #Ubuntu is one good place to start
[06:16] <caakins> Hey i  got a questing about kubuntu
[06:16] <Hawkwind> octan: You could also do: /msg chanserv list *ubuntu* and see what all comes up
[06:16] <DaSkreech> ja_: Not as far as I know
[06:16] <caakins> I can't pull any updates down via Adept
[06:16] <octan> HabaKKuk, can you help me? i need to get wma files to play
[06:16] <caakins> The updates I am trying to select are greyed out
[06:16] <octan> with eighter xine or mplayer
[06:16] <ja_> Ok DaSkreech. Thanks.
[06:16] <llisper> wow better do it in a separate window. returns a lot of channels
[06:16] <octan> im on kubuntu amd64 version
[06:17] <HabaKKuk> octan: sudo apt-get install win32codecs
[06:17] <trappist> HabaKKuk: not on amd64
[06:17] <trappist> HabaKKuk: and anyway it's w32codecs
[06:17] <octan> do i need to jail em?
[06:17] <HabaKKuk> well, maybe
[06:17] <HabaKKuk> ;>
[06:18] <trappist> octan: yes, I keep a 32bit chroot for stuff like that
[06:18] <octan> alright.. i guess i'll do it to
[06:18] <trappist> octan: for mplayer, firefox (for flash and java), wine, etc.
[06:19] <octan> i have flash working but not java :p
[06:20] <llisper> the flash is and old version and does not work well with the new flash websites
[06:20] <llisper> Adobe does not update flash for linux ... :-(
[06:20] <octan> they sux
[06:21] <geoff270> anyone help w amule and westall versalink router, port forwarding, and trigger ports
[06:23] <BluesKaj> can you access your router TCP and UDP Ports, geoff270?
[06:23] <caakins> I cannot download updates
[06:24] <caakins> Can someone please help
[06:24] <LjL> caakins: please elaborate
[06:24] <llisper> caakins: What have you tried?
[06:24] <geoff270> caakins, try apt-get update, if fail, reload sources.list
[06:24] <caakins>  The programs are there but they are greyed out
[06:24] <caakins> I can't select them
[06:25] <BluesKaj> in adept ?
[06:25] <caakins> yes in adepts
[06:25] <caakins> adept
[06:25] <BluesKaj> make sure your mulitverse and universe sources are enabled
[06:26] <caakins> How do i do hat
[06:26] <caakins> that
[06:26] <BluesKaj> click on them to enable
[06:26] <caakins> I am lost
[06:26] <Acc> can i change rights from root into user for files?
[06:26] <caakins> sorry
[06:27] <llisper> caakins: Can you give an example package which is greyed out. I want to try it on my machine too ..
[06:27] <caakins> Firefox
[06:27] <caakins> Thuderbird
[06:27] <caakins> True Type Core Fonts
[06:27] <caakins> This is my office computer
[06:28] <caakins> We have a Linux box that gets us to the internet
[06:28] <caakins> I have been put in charge of finding a linux that the common use can use for everyday task
[06:28] <caakins> I like ubuntu
[06:28] <caakins> but I can't figure why theses apps are greyed out
[06:28] <caakins> My home PC works fine
[06:29] <TheGateKeeper> Acc: yes chmod http://www.ss64.com/bash/
[06:29] <caakins> Select what I want and download
[06:29] <llisper> they are not greyed on my machine. Click on view menu > repositories
[06:29] <llisper> what do you see there ?
[06:29] <caakins> in adept
[06:30] <llisper> yes?
[06:31] <caakins> In view all I have is Review Changes
[06:31] <mdr> I'm using the KDE wizard (ol the shame) to add my printer.  Should I select (A)"Deskjet 712C" or (B)"Deskjet 712 pnm2ppa" on the select HP model screen?
[06:31] <llisper> caakins: No I meant in the menu View > Manage Repositories.
[06:31] <geoff270> help w port forwarding, + triger ports for amule/kubuntu
[06:32] <caakins> oh
[06:32] <caakins> sorry
[06:33] <mdr> excuse me (B)"Deskjet 712C pnm2ppa
[06:33] <Acc> ah, thx
[06:33] <TheGateKeeper> np :-)
[06:33] <caakins> I can't seem to find the View>Manage Repositories
[06:33] <llisper> caakins: What does your View menu list then?
[06:34] <llisper> caakins: And what is the version of adept that you are running?
[06:34] <caakins> good question
[06:34] <caakins> 
[06:34] <caakins> adept installer 2.0
[06:35] <daftvader> kubuntu is da BOMB
[06:36] <llisper> caakins: My about Adept dialog reads the following "Adept Manager 2.0 Destroyer (Using KDE 3.5.2)"
[06:36] <caakins> That is what mine reads
[06:37] <caakins> At the top I have Adept Edit VIew Settings Help
[06:38] <Arlington> who did i talk to earlier the restart didn't go to well...
[06:41] <arunkale> Hey
[06:42] <mdr> Which is more popular in terms of actual usage, kubuntu or ubuntu?
[06:43] <fdoving> mdr: probably ubuntu.
[06:43] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu
[06:43] <trym|work> by default
[06:43] <soulrider> hi everyone
[06:43] <tobias___> ubuntu is kubuntu is me is you is everyone!?
[06:44] <tobias___> hi :)
[06:44] <trym|work> timbukuntu
[06:46] <mdr> Where do I disable preview mode for html and text files in the file browser.  Is that a konq setting or a KDE setting?
[06:47] <Hawkwind> mdr: Probably a setting can be found in kcontrol for File Manager
[06:47] <trappist> mdr: konqueror, but you can change it in kcontrol
[06:49] <fdoving> mdr: you can toggle those inside konqueror. view -> preview -> select the ones you want.
[06:49] <mdr> thanks
[06:50] <ukdave> hi all, I'm using kernel linux-image-2.6.15-27-386 do i need the linux-386 and linux-image-386 that came with the install
[06:50] <M_A_K> Just got finished with installing kubuntu and "Hard Disk Boot Sector Invalid."  Now what?
[06:51] <fdoving> ukdave: they are meta packages. keeping those installed will always get you the latest kernel available in the repositories while updating.
[06:51] <fdoving> ukdave: unless you have a good reason to remove them i suggest keeping them. they don't take much space either.
[06:52] <ukdave> cheers, i was just trying to save some space
[06:58] <THY733T> hi,is there any tool like DenyHosts for blocking attacks on port 5900 (VNC)?
[07:03] <ibert> hi! I have a problem with new installed sys. When Xserver has started, I can't change to any other vt anymore. driver nv. Keyboard seems correct to me, cause the keys alone act as they schould (ALT, STRG, F1 etc). any idea where to start?
[07:07] <fdoving> ibert: try to open konsole (kmenu -> system -> konsole), and run 'sudo chvt 1' (that would be equal to ctrl+alt+f1).
[07:07] <fdoving> ibert: to get back to X, 'sudo chvt 7'
[07:08] <ibert> fdoving: this works
[07:08] <fdoving> ibert: ok, now, i don't have a clue on how you would make the keys work. :|
[07:09] <ibert> fdoving: :-) as ar as I know there is a " Don't zap" option - not sure on this
[07:11] <Hawkwind> ibert: Are you using a en_US keyboard ?
[07:12] <fdoving> ibert: can you change from vt1 to vt7 with the keyboard? is it just out of X that doesn't work?
[07:15] <arunkale> fdoving: what does one do if restarting x hangs your computer
[07:16] <trappist> arunkale: hopefully ctrl-alt-f1 gives you a console.  if not, reboot to a rescue kernel and try to work out the X issue.
[07:17] <arunkale> trappist: restarting x opens some weird power saving thing for a friend of mine
[07:17] <arunkale> this happened after he installed libxine-extracodecs
[07:18] <trappist> it's highly unlikely that those two are related
[07:18] <trappist> I can only guess that the weird power saving thing is a monitor thing, going into a power-saving mode because it's not getting a signal
[07:21] <arunkale> how does one fix such a thing
[07:22] <trappist> first you figure out what the problem is, then you address it.  the first step to the first part is to examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:24] <ibert> fdoving: yes, it's just out of X. from vtX to vtY (x,y not 7) every change is possible,
[07:28] <knapper> can anyone tell me if there is such a thing has a kubuntu unstable repository? I'm looking for a repo that contains the unstable version of kwin-baghira.
[07:28] <fdoving> ibert: search /etc/X11/xorg.conf for DontVTSwitch
[07:28] <fdoving> ibert: if you find it, set it to 'false'
[07:28] <arunkale> trappist: there's my Xorg.0.log file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25198/
[07:30] <proger> hello everyone, I need an advice. I just installed video - audio codecs (with AutoMatix), but when I watching a film in big screen size it's starts lagging, it runs fine only in small sizes, where is there a problem? I have 4 Pentium 3 Gh, 1 Gb of Ram. Maybe thatt because I dont have a proper video driver?
[07:31] <knapper> How can I install the unstable version of something using apt-get? is there a unstable repository?
[07:31] <ibert> fdoving: there is no such line. For that it seems to be the keyboard setting. What I saw now is that I can't do the pipe symbol
[07:31] <knapper> proger, are you using xgl?
[07:31] <proger> i don't know whet is xgl :(
[07:31] <knapper> your probably not then ^_^
[07:31] <proger> !xgl
[07:31] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:32] <proger> i have clean Kubuntu
[07:33] <arunkale> trappist: how do i see what the error is from tht file?
[07:35] <trappist> arunkale: I don't see a relevant error from that file
[07:35] <arunkale> hmm
[07:35] <arunkale> what could be the problem, then?
[07:37] <arunkale> if you try to restart the computer, it starts some weird power saving thing
[07:40] <enzo> I think my HDD burned out. It is recognized in bootup, but won't load GRUB. I run the LIVE CD and I can access the entire HDD
[07:41] <enzo> How can I try to regain access for boot?
[07:41] <zorglu_> enzo: what do you mean ? like to boot on the broken disk ?
[07:41] <linux_> soy un puto entendido?
[07:42] <LjL> !es
[07:42] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:43] <proger> hello everyone, I need an advice. I just installed video - audio codecs (with AutoMatix), but when I watching a film in big screen size it's starts lagging, it runs fine only in small sizes, where is there a problem? I have 4 Pentium 3 Gh, 1 Gb of Ram. Maybe thatt because I didnt install driver
[07:43] <knapper> How can I install this package: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kwin-baghira ???
[07:43] <LjL> knapper: "sudo aptitude install kwin-baghira"
[07:43] <arunkale> knapper search for baghira on adept
[07:43] <zorglu_> proger: looks like slow video drivers
[07:43] <arunkale> it's there
[07:43] <zorglu_> proger: try 'xvinfo' and paste in a pastebin
[07:44] <proger> zorglu_: ihave onboard video card 127 Mb
[07:44] <zorglu_> knapper: what is kwin baghira ?
[07:44] <soulrider> ubotu has some spelling mistaked whena nnouncing the spanish channels. Who can i report that to?
[07:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about has some spelling mistaked whena nnouncing the spanish channels. Who can i report that to? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:44] <LjL> zorglu_: a MacOS lookalike theme for KDE. quite impressive.
[07:44] <arunkale> proger: what format is the video in?
[07:45] <zorglu_> LjL: cool
[07:45] <LjL> soulrider: what spelling mistakes?
[07:45] <knapper> LjL, I need the unstable version though
[07:45] <knapper> is that what I get through apt/
[07:45] <proger> i tried many formats - everywhere is the same thig films runs fine only on verysmall screensizes
[07:45] <LjL> soulrider: (i guess "alli" should be "all" for starters)
[07:45] <knapper> zorglu_ it's a mac os x clone
[07:45] <knapper> theme
[07:46] <zorglu_> proger: do the xvinfo i told you
[07:46] <LjL> knapper: you get version 0.7a-1build2
[07:46] <knapper> LjL yeah, that version doesn't have a working sidebar, I need the sidebar :/
[07:46] <proger> igor@igor-desktop:~$ xvinfo
[07:46] <proger> X-Video Extension version 2.2
[07:46] <proger> screen #0
[07:46] <proger>  no adaptors present
[07:46] <proger> igor@igor-desktop:~$ xvinfo
[07:46] <proger> X-Video Extension version 2.2
[07:46] <proger> screen #0
[07:46] <knapper> LjL Konquerer sidebar that is
[07:46] <proger>  no adaptors present
[07:46] <LjL> !paste
[07:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:46] <zorglu_> proger: well i told you pastebin too :)
[07:46] <knapper> LjL is there a repository that might contain this unstable version??
[07:47] <zorglu_> proger: install a driver to get at least 2d acceleration. it is the reason of the slow down you experience
[07:47] <proger> zorglu_: idont know what is pastsmethig bini m lamer
[07:47] <LjL> knapper: well, that debian repository URL you gave apparently does. however, *it can be dangerous* to install packages not intended for Ubuntu. if you still want to do it, though, just download the package and run "sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb"
[07:47] <proger> imlamer :)
[07:47] <zorglu_> proger: follow the url given by ljl to know what it is
[07:48] <enzo> zorglu_, sorry, inspecting the HDD physically
[07:48] <enzo> I mean that I can't boot
[07:48] <knapper> LjL I would have to reinstall all of the dependencies wouldn't I?
[07:48] <enzo> it's my primary HDD with GRUB and Kubuntu on it
[07:48] <soulrider> LjL: yes
[07:48] <soulrider> also
[07:48] <LjL> knapper: maybe, maybe not. depends on which versions of the dependencies the debian package requires. perhaps you'll just find that it won't install, because of missing dependencies
[07:49] <soulrider> obtendran has to be obtendrn
[07:49] <LjL> soulrider: ok
[07:49] <knapper> LjL Thanks, I think I will just wait.
[07:49] <LjL> !es
[07:49] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[07:51] <soulrider> :)
[07:52] <LjL> soulrider: that guy sounded like he wasn't exactly asking for something, besides, did he?
[07:52] <zorglu_> This is probably the last Baghira for Qt3.
[07:52] <zorglu_> There will be no Baghira for Qt4.
[07:52] <zorglu_> <- from  http://baghira.sourceforge.net/
[07:53] <soulrider> no
[07:53] <soulrider> he didnt
[07:53] <LjL> well, the change to QT4 is bound to make some programs go into oblivion...
[07:53] <DaSkreech> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[07:53] <tdn> I have just installed a clean installation from the Ubuntu 6.06 CD. I did not have any Kubuntu CDs. How do I install Kubuntu now?
[07:53] <LjL> tdn: you can install the "kubuntu-desktop" package to get KDE. you'll stilll also have Gnome, though
[07:54] <soulrider> im trying to convert my mom and dad to linux
[07:54] <soulrider> what do you think its ht ebets enviroment for htem to use ?
[07:55] <LjL> soulrider: that's a hard question
[07:55] <soulrider> also, does anyone know any linux alternatives to AutoCAD ?
[07:55] <tdn> LjL, yes, ok. But will that be the only difference? I mean if I do an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, will I then have the full Kubuntu installation + Gnome? And will the settings be just like if I had installed from a Kubuntu CD? (I mean using kdm in stead of gdm and such)
[07:55] <LjL> soulrider: personally i'd say Gnome, even though i'm a KDE user...
[07:55] <soulrider> i wanted something light for my moms comp since i don think it will be able to handle KDE properly
[07:55] <LjL> tdn: you'll have all the same programs. most settings should also be the same, though i cannot guarantee it. you'll still be left with the ubuntu splash screen for instance
[07:56] <LjL> soulrider: then perhaps you could try going with xubuntu. but that's not *terribly* newbie-friendly
[07:56] <tdn> LjL, hmm... Ok. That's ok. I like the caramel color better than the blue one :)
[07:56] <proger> I dont have 2d driver installed, the only way I can get it is from VideoCard vendor?
[07:56] <soulrider> yea, thats the problem
[07:56] <LjL> soulrider: (besides, myself i don't much believe in "lightweight" environments... since in the end, you're probably going to use the very same big, memory-hungry programs as everybody does on Gnome or KDE... Firefox, OpenOffice, etc)
[07:56] <soulrider> i wanted to try XFCE
[07:56] <soulrider> yea
[07:56] <tdn> soulrider, or if you *really* want light weight, then go for OpenBox. It can be set up to be very nice.
[07:57] <soulrider> well, my mom kind of only uses Opera, so it sno big deal
[07:57] <LjL> soulrider: what's the machine specs like?
[07:57] <LjL> less than 192 megs of RAM makes ubuntu real terrible IMHO
[07:57] <LjL> (and i mean kubuntu as well)
[07:57] <soulrider> its a toshiba laptop, 2.8 ghz celeron processor with 256 RAM but shared with video
[07:58] <LjL> soulrider: well, it doesn't sound that bad to me. i'm running with less -- except for the RAM
[07:58] <zorglu_> xcfe ?
[07:58] <soulrider> they sell ti with win XP but it runs like ASS
[07:58] <soulrider> yea, RAM is what concerns me
[07:58] <LjL> soulrider: but 256megs isn't *so* bad either
[07:58] <LjL> soulrider: i dunno, i think you'll find both Gnome and KDE run nice enough...
[07:58] <soulrider> i got edgy knot 2 installe don vmware
[07:59] <LjL> sure, openoffice will take a while to load. but has anybody ever seen it *not* doing that?
[07:59] <soulrider> im gonna install gnome and see how it looks and feels
[07:59] <ibert> fdoving: I solved it. It was a wrong keyboard layout. funny that the switch to the vt was the first thing I noticed :-) thanks
[07:59] <soulrider> i installed XFCE on it but it crashes when i load it
[08:00] <soulrider> another thing that concerns me is the wireless network
[08:00] <LjL> soulrider: i'd go with gnome because 1) it's more polished than KDE, on ubuntu  2) it's got many less options, which can be annoying to "more advanced" users but is probably better for newbies.   i'd just leave XFCE alone because 1) it's harder to use  2) i don't think it really gains any big performances advantages, unless you're *very* careful with the programs you use
[08:00] <proger> i wondering why RAM usage is very big when Im running KDE, almost 90 %percents are used, wheni m running only Konvesationand Kaffeine?
[08:00] <LjL> but you'll find that on this kind of issues, everybody disagrees
[08:01] <zorglu_> proger: do 'free' and put it in pastebin
[08:01] <proger> ok
[08:01] <LjL> proger: RAM is almost invariably all taken up (or almost) on linux -- that's because it cashes everything that can be cashed. as long as you're not swapping too much, it should be ok.
[08:03] <soulrider> yea i got  1 gb or RAM and its allwaye being used :P but i think i gotta blame azureus for that too
[08:03] <proger> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25208/
[08:03] <proger> i noticedno swapping was used
[08:03] <zorglu_> proger: in reality you got 733Mbyte of free ram
[08:03] <zorglu_> proger: and 1gbyte of swap
[08:04] <LjL> proger: well, cache isn't accounting for *very* much... but still there's no swap being used, so i shoudln't worry.  maybe kaffeine is just caching a lot of stuff
[08:04] <zorglu_> proger: the cache LjL was talking about is 'buffer' and 'cached' column
[08:04] <zorglu_> proger: 600mbyte are used only to make the whole system faster
[08:04] <zorglu_> proger: they will be automatically freed if an apps need them
[08:05] <proger> fromwhere you got this number - 733Mbyte?
[08:06] <soulrider> uhm im sure that if i tell ym mom what "ubuntu" means she will wanna use it :P
[08:06] <proger> i must bee blind
[08:06] <proger> i see it now
[08:07] <zorglu_> proger: yep, read my explaination and look at the pastebin, you will get it :)
[08:07] <zorglu_> soulrider: show her mandela :)
[08:08] <proger> returning tothat 2d driver problem, these drivers are avalaibleobly from vendor, or exists some common drivers?
[08:09] <proger> i worried because i cant find driver from vendor's (ati) site
[08:09] <zorglu_> proger: first step, identify what is your video card
[08:09] <XVampireX> Can anyone tell me what are the changes of Kubuntu Edgy Eft?
[08:09] <zorglu_> XVampireX: a lot :)
[08:09] <XVampireX> nevermind
[08:10] <enzo> I am not able to load GRUB
[08:10] <enzo> is there a way to load it back up from the MBR?
[08:10] <zorglu_> !mbr
[08:10] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:11] <zorglu_> enzo: this may be of help
[08:11] <enzo> thank you
[08:11] <enzo> I'm not sure what's going on, but I can't do anything with that HDD
[08:11] <enzo> I can read it under the LIVE CD, but not access it for boot
[08:13] <soulrider> err, how can i change the language to spanish in GNOME ?
[08:15] <knapper> Guys, I lost the location bar in konquerer, how can I get it back? (where do you configure konquerer?)
[08:16] <zorglu_> menu -> setting -> toolbars -> location bar
[08:16] <zorglu_> click on it
[08:18] <knapper> tnx, I feel like an idiot. I forgot I had the mac like bar on
[08:18] <knapper> O_o
[08:19] <zorglu_> np
[08:19] <knapper> now this is weird... I checked location bar, but nothing showed up
[08:19] <knapper> it moved a pixel or two, but nothing is there
[08:21] <XVampireX> Need to get 1074MB of archives.
[08:21] <XVampireX> After unpacking 312MB of additional disk space will be used.
[08:21] <XVampireX> ouch
[08:21] <XVampireX> oh well
[08:22] <XVampireX> I hope upstart is gonna boost things up
[08:22] <h3sp4wn> XVampireX: Do you reboot often ? I boot once a day so it makes not a great deal of difference
[08:23] <enzo> zorglu_, I get nothing. No GRUB
[08:23] <enzo> It can be seen, just not loaded for some strange reason
[08:24] <zorglu_> no idea sorry
[08:24] <enzo> thyx for your help
[08:24] <octan> enzo, are your disks hot?
[08:24] <octan> under powerd?
[08:24] <octan> i had that issue
[08:25] <octan> i had to little juice in my psu
[08:25] <enzo> nope
[08:25] <octan> are you sure?
[08:25] <octan> how d you know?
[08:26] <enzo> I just took out the HDD about 30 minutes ago and put it in the freezer. It wasn't hot, just a bit above room temp
[08:26] <octan> LOL
[08:27] <proger> is that legal?:)
[08:27] <zorglu_> wow
[08:27] <octan> if you put you hd in you freezer it must have been hot.. why else would someone do that
[08:27] <zorglu_> you did put you hd in the freezer ?
[08:27] <octan> enzo, dont do that again
[08:27] <enzo> I built this desktop 3 years ago. Never had an issue like this before. I doubt its the PSU
[08:27] <zorglu_> freezer are cold ok, but humide as well
[08:27] <enzo> octan, don't do what again?
[08:27] <enzo> oic
[08:27] <octan> put you hd in the freezer
[08:27] <zorglu_> and i dunno what drastic change of temperature does to a hd
[08:27] <enzo> I only put it in there for about 5 minutes
[08:28] <zorglu_> but for sure they dont like water :)
[08:28] <octan> to fast drop of temp. and it might shript the small particles to fast getting them out of order
[08:28] <octan> *shrimp
[08:28] <octan> bleh
[08:28] <soulrider> does anyone know any good Linux alternatives ofr AutoCAD ?
[08:29] <octan> enzo, tryed leavin the pc off for 1 min?
[08:29] <enzo> it's been off now for a few
[08:29] <octan> check the cable again
[08:30] <octan> both sides
[08:30] <enzo> which cable?
[08:30] <octan> hd cable
[08:30] <octan> sata or ide or whatever you use
[08:30] <DaSkreech> soulrider: Linuxcad?
[08:31] <soulrider> never heard about it
[08:31] <octan> enzo, can you su root
[08:32] <octan> sudo chroot /mount-point-of-linuxinstall
[08:32] <enzo> cables are godo
[08:32] <enzo> *good
[08:32] <enzo> I can't log into the HDD
[08:32] <enzo> I can't see GRUB
[08:32] <octan> fdisk /dev/hda
[08:32] <octan> in live cd
[08:33] <octan> fdisk -p /dev/hda
[08:33] <enzo> let me boot into the live CD
[08:33] <octan> what are you on now?
[08:33] <enzo> I'm on my laptop ATM
[08:34] <octan> alright
[08:34] <geoff270> any help w port forwarding, and trigger ports, for amule/kubuntu?
[08:34] <Arlington> i've installed kweather but how do i activate it?
[08:35] <octan> !p2p here
[08:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about p2p here - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:35] <octan> lol
[08:35] <Arlington> i've installed kweather but how do i activate it?
[08:35] <steveire> Is there a reason that there's an ubuntu eddy beta, but no kubuntu same?
[08:36] <geoff270> Arlington, if kweather is on your panel, it should be ready to go, if not put it on panel, reboot if necessary
[08:36] <steveire> s/eddy/edgy
[08:36] <octan> eddy is the base system
[08:36] <Arlington> rebooting done although i can'tsay rebooting goes easy .-(
[08:36] <octan> ont the DE
[08:36] <octan> *not
[08:36] <Arlington> having troubles with hangups
[08:37] <steveire> octan: Don't pretend you don't know what I mean. OK, there's a GNOME version, but no KDE version.
[08:37] <geoff270> arlington, rebbot with recovery for that kernel
[08:37] <steveire> Any idea why?
[08:37] <octan> :P
[08:37] <Arlington> what kernel?
[08:37] <mattik> do you recommend edgy beta for user who is not a novice or is it better to wait?
[08:37] <enzo> octan, I'm in with the Live CD
[08:38] <enzo> now what?
[08:38] <octan> coz kububtu is made of ubuntu's base system with out DE'
[08:38] <DaSkreech> Does the adept-updater do an upgrade or a dist-upgrade?
[08:38] <zorglu_> mattik: sure, it need to be tested
[08:38] <enzo> sudo chroot /mount?
[08:38] <geoff270> at grub you should see boot kernel...., and second line, reboot kernel(same version)recovery
[08:38] <octan> fdisk -l /den/hda
[08:38] <octan> *dev
[08:38] <Arlington> yeah but what is it supposed to help me with?
[08:38] <mattik> zorglu_: Can I get it by apt?
[08:39] <geoff270> it will auto fix things
[08:39] <zorglu_> mattik: likely
[08:39] <zorglu_> !edgy
[08:39] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[08:39] <Arlington> i'll try that then.
[08:39] <octan> enzo, fdisk -l /dev/hda what does it say?
[08:39] <zorglu_> mattik: there is some repo to modify
[08:39] <octan> does it list you partitions?
[08:39] <soulrider> DaSkreech: i cant seem to be able to find linuxcad
[08:39] <zorglu_> mattik: with a page somwhere on help.ubuntu.com
[08:39] <geoff270> just let it run it's course, may run fsck on your disks, that's OK
[08:39] <mattik>  zorglu: thank you :)
[08:40] <enzo> hda or hda6?
[08:40] <mattik>  zorglu_: thank you :)
[08:40] <octan> hda
[08:40] <enzo> nothing
[08:40] <octan> is 6 your last
[08:40] <octan> ?
[08:40] <enzo> it just goes to the next prompt
[08:40] <octan> enzo, chroot to hda if / is there
[08:41] <octan> *hda1
[08:41] <enzo> hda6
[08:41] <geoff270> anyone using westell versalink router w amule
[08:41] <octan> right
[08:41] <octan> enzo, sudo chroot
[08:42] <enzo> should I mount the drive first?
[08:43] <octan> offcource
[08:44] <enzo> ok
[08:44] <enzo> sudo chroot doens't do anything
[08:44] <enzo> it just says "missing operand"
[08:44] <enzo> instead of dev, should it be /media?
[08:45] <enzo> dev won't work, /media does
[08:46] <DaSkreech> soulrider: http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad_downloads.html
[08:46] <DaSkreech> enzo: did you give it a path?
[08:46] <enzo> give what a path?
[08:46] <soulrider> thanks
[08:46] <DaSkreech> Does the adept_updater do an upgrade or a dist-upgrade?
[08:46] <Arlington> well it didn't work :-/
[08:47] <enzo> octan, what's next?
[08:47] <steveire> no one knows about kubuntu edgy beta?
[08:48] <geoff270> is anyone using amule, here?
[08:50] <Arlington> >geoff270. it didn't work with the safemode.
[08:50] <enzo> DaSkreech, give what a path?
[08:50] <Blissex> geoff270: try #aMule
[08:50] <mdr> Ok folks, I'm following the wiik howto/Nvidia verbatim, On step 10 "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" I get "Error: your X configuration has been altered."  IIRC, others have expeienced this. What should I do here?
[08:51] <Skyrail> anyone know where I can get a decent sized kubuntu logo from?
[08:51] <Arlington> >geoff270. it didn't work with the safemode.
[08:53] <themadscotsman> i have a question...just upgrade to Edgy Beta....when it boots the splash screen comes on....the the gauge moves and then a black screen, but when i hit any key and the press ctrl+alt+F7 i get a log-in screen
[08:55] <themadscotsman> question is...how do i get box to boot and go to log-in screen direct
[08:59] <JosephRivers> what's the preferred tool for resizing partitions with kubuntu?
[09:00] <arand> qparted?
[09:00] <octan> enzo, how fare are you now?
[09:00] <octan> *far
[09:00] <octan> you chrooted in to you linux install)
[09:00] <octan> ?
[09:00] <enzo> far with what/
[09:00] <enzo> yup
[09:01] <enzo> sudo chroot /media/hda6
[09:01] <octan> alright
[09:01] <octan> grub-install /dev/hda
[09:01] <mdr> oh, funny I fixed my "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"  error by doing exactly what the error message told me to do.  I gotta stop panicing
[09:01] <enzo> . /dev/hda: Not found or not a block device
[09:02] <octan> erm.
[09:02] <giulio> hello
[09:02] <lars> i have been here and asked several time but must ask again:  i must restart networking after boot (it starts at boot but shut off) to get ip from DHCP
[09:02] <octan> enzo, i know a tool that will fix this for you
[09:02] <enzo> do tell
[09:02] <octan> but you need to downloade it
[09:02] <DaSkreech> enzo chown
[09:02] <giulio> is there anybody that want talking with me?
[09:02] <ubuntu> hello children
[09:03] <lars> *hugs* ubuntu
[09:03] <octan> enzo, http://adrian15.raulete.net/grub/tiki-index.php
[09:03] <fromavlivecd> that's better
[09:03] <enzo> ???
[09:03] <octan> read and downloade it burin it and be happy
[09:03] <fromavlivecd> wondering just how many people here are just dicking about from the livecd
[09:04] <DaSkreech> You so far
[09:04] <octan> enzo, get that cd
[09:04] <enzo> will do
[09:04] <JosephRivers> arand: Thanks! I just took a look at qtparted. I think it will work for me.
[09:05] <arand> goof
[09:05] <arand> good*
[09:05] <Blacken> Howdy, folks.
[09:05] <jonathanskilt> ^another livecder
[09:05] <octan> lol
[09:06] <Blacken> Yup. Kubuntu 6.10 beta sucks on my Inspiron, so I'm installing 6.06 again.
[09:06] <Blacken> Question: Is it possible to set up, in the installer (6.06 graphical), your other partitions so you don't have to be root to access them? I can do it, but I hate mucking about in /etc/fstab...
[09:07] <steveire> Is there a simple command to check what ram I have?
[09:07] <andriijas> someone told me how to switch default sound card in ubuntu some week ago, i forgot the commando. can anyone give me a hint please?
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> Blacken: linux partitions ? just set the ownership correctly
[09:07] <Blacken> h3sp4wn: No, fat32.
[09:08] <zorglu_> steveire: do 'free' and read the 'total' - 'memory' collumn
[09:08] <steveire> cheers
[09:08] <h3sp4wn> Blacken: you will have to edit fstab (but I don't use fat 32 so I don't know) umode=x I think something like that
[09:08] <Blacken> h3sp4wn: It mounts the partitions properly, but they're root-only. I can't figure out how to set them as any-user, normally, so I'd like to set them up ahead of time.
[09:09] <themadscotsman> ok so no one knows the answer to the question i asked...????
[09:09] <h3sp4wn> Blacken: Don't know
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> themadscotsman: not sure try asking
[09:10] <tictric_> Blacken: In konqueror type man:mount
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> themadscotsman: #ubuntu+1
[09:10] <themadscotsman> i asked about 5 minutes ago
[09:10] <tictric_> and look for mount options user, users
[09:11] <Blacken> tictric_: I know how to use mount...however, I'm not sure why the "users" flag in my fstab doesn't WORK.
[09:11] <themadscotsman> box boots...get kubuntu splash...then black screen....hit any key throw me to tty1
[09:11] <zorglu_> themadscotsman: need more info to answer
[09:12] <themadscotsman> ctrl+alt+F7 gives me log-in screen
[09:12] <Arlington> i need to make a change in  kdmrc. how can i do that? it read only
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> zorglu_: themadscotsman is on edgy
[09:13] <zorglu_> h3sp4wn: ah ok
[09:13] <mattik> themadscotsman: Can you log in?
[09:13] <Arlington> please help?
[09:13] <andriijas> is there nobody here that knows the commando to switch default soundcard?
[09:13] <themadscotsman> works good too...except for this little quirk
[09:13] <zorglu_> themadscotsman: not having X is quite a quirk :)
[09:13] <themadscotsman> yeah i can log-in...i am here....lol
[09:14] <themadscotsman> i have x....when i hit ctrl+alt+F7
[09:14] <zorglu_> so what is the issue ?
[09:15] <Arlington> i need to edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdrmc but it's read only...
[09:15] <Arlington> how can i do that?
[09:15] <zorglu_> do it as root ?
[09:15] <zorglu_> 'sudo nano /etc/kde3/kdm/kdrmc'
[09:16] <Dannilion> kdesu kate /etc/kde3/kdm/kdrmc if you use KDE and don't want to use nano
[09:16] <themadscotsman> i don't want to have to ctrl+alt+F&...to get log-in screen
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> Arlington: sudo vim /etc/kde3/kdm/kdrmc (vimtutor to learn a bit of vim if you don't know it very well)
[09:17] <themadscotsman> LTS boots...gives splash screen...then diagnostic....then log-in screen.....Edgy Beta doesn't
[09:17] <themadscotsman> you get splash screen...then black screen....then ctrl+alt+F7 gives you log-in screen
[09:18] <Arlington> the terminal is nearly blank when i have done that command... on some "~"
[09:18] <mattik> themadscotsman: Have you checked is it bug?
[09:18] <mattik> www.launchpad.net
[09:19] <themadscotsman> not get it...you can't comprehend the situation
[09:19] <zorglu_> themadscotsman: and except this babla f7, is X ok ? can you login via kdm ? launch X program etc.. ?
[09:19] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:19] <themadscotsman> duh...i am running it now
[09:19] <zorglu_> themadscotsman: oh ok, so it is a very minor bug :)
[09:20] <themadscotsman> its a minor inconvenience....lol
[09:20] <enzo> I'M IN!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:20] <enzo> THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH OCTAN
[09:20] <octan> np
[09:20] <rohan> kubuntu edgy will have the oxygen icon theme icons ?
[09:21] <Hawkwind> rohan: No
[09:21] <rohan> oh
[09:21] <rohan> but wasnt it a spec for edgy ?
[09:21] <zorglu_> nope oxygen is for kde4 :)
[09:21] <Hawkwind> rohan: It's not near completed yet AFAIK.  It'll be part of KDE4
[09:21] <enzo> octan, it is for me
[09:21] <zorglu_> in a year or 2 :)
[09:22] <rohan> oh ok ;)
[09:23] <kay> hello my i solve my sound problem by myself now i have a nother problem
[09:23] <kay> maybe someone can help me
[09:23] <kay> is is about gtkradiant
[09:23] <kay> it is to creat maps
[09:23] <kay> anyone know it?
[09:23] <zorglu_> people doing map for 3d game will likely be of more help :)
[09:24] <zorglu_> this is quite specific question
[09:24] <kay> oh yeah
[09:24] <kay> thx
[09:24] <kay> but i cant install it
[09:24] <kay> can i post th out put only small ?
[09:25] <kay> he setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[09:25] <zorglu_> !pastebin
[09:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:25] <kay> this is all
[09:25] <kay> thx for this tip
[09:26] <kay> the setup prohe setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[09:26] <kay> the setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[09:26] <kay> anyone now it? or can give me a tip
[09:27] <kay> do anyone use gtkradiant in kubuntu???
[09:28] <kay> maybe update glibc-2.1 update?
[09:28] <kay> i try it with another version but it is the same mistake
[09:28] <kay> again
[09:29] <kay> nobody?
[09:29] <Phlogistique> gn ?
[09:29] <kay> a channel about gtkradiant is not existing? or?
[09:30] <Phlogistique> I do not know
[09:30] <Phlogistique> sorry
[09:30] <mdr> What is "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" in the Mouse section of xorg.conf.  I've got a 2 button logitech wheel mouse.  Is this an incorrect configuration?
[09:30] <kay> thank you for listening
[09:30] <kay> what mouse you have?
[09:31] <kay> oh sorry
[09:31] <kay> work it not correctly?
[09:31] <Phlogistique> huh
[09:31] <kay> no not you Phlogistique
[09:31] <kay> i mean mdr
[09:31] <Phlogistique> I think you should see if ImPS/2 or something like that
[09:31] <mdr> Furthermore in xorg.conf, I have some "eraser" Identivers with driver "wacom"  -- but this isn't a laptop and i don't have a pen or anything.
[09:32] <Phlogistique> kay > mdr is french ^^
[09:32] <mdr> No i'm not
[09:32] <Phlogistique> ah yeah
[09:32] <Phlogistique> sorry
[09:32] <kay> yeah but i can understand him it is in english
[09:32] <kay> LOL
[09:32] <Phlogistique> I didn' see it was his nick
[09:32] <Phlogistique> so
[09:32] <mdr> I have a Logitech PS2 wheel mouse
[09:33] <Phlogistique> mdr > sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:33] <mdr> pretty standard
[09:33] <kay> maybe you can post your xorg.conf
[09:33] <mdr> ok
[09:33] <Phlogistique> and do not choose Explorer blablabla when it asks you about your mouse
[09:34] <mdr> Do i need to know anything before i do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?  Gonna ask me questions?
[09:35] <Phlogistique> mdr > yes
[09:35] <Phlogistique> but it's easy to answer
[09:35] <mdr> ok i do
[09:37] <enzo> octan, quick question
[09:37] <enzo> I get an error 18
[09:37] <enzo> about exceeding the max from my BIOS
[09:38] <mdr> Um, not that easy:-) Should i select nv or nvidia?  Please note: I have already installed nvidia-glx and the matching restricted module.
[09:38] <mdr> This is what I'm trying to fix also
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> nvidia
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> (if you want 3d acceleration)
[09:38] <mdr> okir
[09:38] <mdr> okie
[09:41] <mdr> Oh crap, i shut the konsole window and rerun: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process.
[09:43] <mdr> I shut the window because I hit the wrong key but now I can't rerun  "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"  It gives me the above error.  Sorry I'm an idiot.
[09:43] <enzo> Here is my error now
[09:43] <enzo> GRUB Loading stage1.5
[09:43] <enzo> it just keeps on spamming across my screen
[09:43] <enzo> s/spamming/flooding
[09:44] <mdr> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[09:44] <mdr> so what do I do about this condrumdum?
[09:44] <zorglu_> mdr: reboot or manually remove /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[09:45] <octan> enzo ?
[09:45] <Jurtan> hiho
[09:45] <octan> enzo, reset the bios
[09:45] <octan> load default
[09:45] <enzo> ok
[09:45] <joakim> hallo i am not good on english but my Creative Technology, Ltd Webcam Live!/Live! Pro this will not work on my Amsn :(
[09:46] <joakim> kna sombody tell me how thats work
[09:46] <enzo> octan, fail-safe defaults or optimized defaults?
[09:46] <joakim> er det noen norske her ?
[09:46] <octan> fail-safe
[09:46] <enzo> ok
[09:47] <enzo> do I run SGD again?
[09:47] <joakim> is the sombody NOrwegian
[09:47] <octan> enzo did you run grub-install /dev/hda ?
[09:47] <Jurtan> does someone know why i cant load any packages from any apt sources ? i can ping any website, but my xubuntu always times out at apt-get install ssh or apt-get update
[09:48] <octan> after you boted up with supergrub ?
[09:48] <octan> jeg snakker norsk
[09:48] <Hawkwind> Jurtan: Paste your sources.list to http://pastebin.ulteo.us so we can all see it
[09:48] <enzo> after I booted up with SGD, it scanned and fixed hda6
[09:48] <enzo> and now I can't do anything
[09:48] <enzo> hmmm
[09:48] <octan> what you mean? anything?
[09:48] <enzo> now I can't even go into my BIOS
[09:49] <enzo> it wasn't set up to read from CD prior to HDD
[09:49] <octan> you forgot to run grub-install ?
[09:49] <enzo> I never got the chance to
[09:49] <joakim> hei  har et problem med creativ pro live  kamre mitt. har prvd denne kommando i terminalen
[09:49] <octan> !no
[09:49] <Hawkwind> !no
[09:49] <ubotu> Hvis du vil diskutere Ubuntu paa norsk, venligst gaa til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[09:49] <Jurtan> i cant post them sorry, i dont even have irc on my xubuntu machine..
[09:50] <joakim> p amsn s sier den  er ikke isntallert men det er jo installerte
[09:50] <Jurtan> but its the latest release
[09:50] <zorglu_> Jurtan: did you install it when it was not connnected to the internet ?
[09:50] <Hawkwind> Jurtan: We really need to be able to see the sources.list to be able to help you unfortunately.
[09:50] <octan> joakim, modprobe spca5xxx
[09:50] <Hawkwind> Jurtan: However, irssi or something should be on the CD that you can install from
[09:50] <Jurtan> it was connected all the time
[09:51] <joakim> ka med (modprobe spca5xxx)?
[09:51] <octan> kjr
[09:51] <enzo> octan, I am not able to do anything after the BEEP from BIOS
[09:51] <zorglu_> !no
[09:51] <ubotu> Hvis du vil diskutere Ubuntu paa norsk, venligst gaa til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[09:51] <enzo> frozen
[09:52] <zorglu_> Jurtan: well you said you had internet, so use it to pastebin on
[09:52] <octan> enzo,try turm it off for 1 min
[09:52] <zorglu_> !pastebin
[09:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:52] <Jurtan> i only need ssh/open ssh server but he times out when connecting to any sources (not even ftp.debian.org)
[09:52] <joakim> jeg kjrte den koden i terminalen men s komme dette opp (FATAL: Module spca5xxx not found.)
[09:52] <enzo> I am
[09:52] <zorglu_> joakim: ???
[09:52] <Jurtan> i only have txt mode on xubuntu right now, not even a browser
[09:52] <enzo> err, just did
[09:53] <zorglu_> octan: you seems to understand joakim, maybe you could convince him to go to -no ?
[09:53] <zorglu_> Jurtan: can you use the web from this box ?
[09:53] <Jurtan> yes
[09:54] <Jurtan> this is my desktop pc
[09:54] <joakim> mmja ka d
[09:54] <plichu> siema
[09:54] <zorglu_> Jurtan: so what prevent you from pasting your source.list on the web ?
[09:54] <octan> joakim ingen hjelp in #no ?
[09:54] <zorglu_> !pl
[09:54] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[09:55] <joakim> har prvd denne koden og (lsusb) og da fant han web cam men amsn finner ikke den :(
[09:55] <octan> nop.. no drivers
[09:55] <tobias___> am i online?
[09:55] <tobias___> yes!
[09:55] <zorglu_> joakim: please can you please english here
[09:55] <Chousuke> Apparently
[09:55] <tobias___> joakim: er norsk kult! :)
[09:55] <Jurtan> xubuntu is on my other pc, i only have text mode on it and to get any data to my pc ( where i am sitting atm) i need to have ssh
[09:56] <zorglu_> tobias___: you are
[09:56] <tobias___> zorglu: I am yes
[09:56] <joakim> ja det er kult ja
[09:56] <tobias___> :)
[09:56] <ryanakca> Jurtan: mind rephrasing that please?
[09:56] <tobias___> joakim: are you a member of spisderike yet? :)
[09:56] <joakim> no
[09:56] <octan> joakim, not xxx but xx
[09:56] <zorglu_> tobias___: you understand joakim ? can you convince him either to talk english or goto #ubuntu-no ?
[09:56] <octan>  modprobe spca5xx
[09:57] <zorglu_> joakim: you please english ?!?!?!
[09:57] <zorglu_> speak ?
[09:57] <tobias___> joakim: de vil at du skal prate norsk eller g til #ubuntu-no :)
[09:57] <plichu> ema ema
[09:57] <tobias___> joakim: jeg mener de vil at du skal prayte engelsk
[09:58] <joakim> ja men skriver s jevlig mye feil p engelsk
[09:58] <octan> joakim, well.? how did it got with modprobe spca5xx
[09:58] <octan> *go
[09:58] <tobias___> joakim: /join #ubunu-no
[09:58] <Jurtan> ok, i just give me a few minutes, then i set up a ftp server on the machine, then i copy the data to my pc an ill post it here.
[09:59] <zorglu_> octan: can you help him in #ubuntu-no ?
[09:59] <octan> alright
[09:59] <joakim>  modprobe spca5xx  gikk det
[09:59] <joakim> funker cam n
[09:59] <enzo> octan, I'm back up on my desktop. Not running Kubuntu just yet
[09:59] <octan> joakim, ok now ?
[10:00] <joakim> i dont now
[10:00] <zorglu_> maouaouaoauou
[10:00] <zorglu_> order! :)
[10:00] <zorglu_> ok lets go crazy
[10:00] <joakim> i show tes my web cam now
[10:00] <octan> you do that
[10:01] <enzo> octan, here is the error I get when trying to fix my GRUB MBR
[10:01] <zorglu_> ok have fun :)
[10:01] <octan> enzo, what error
[10:01] <enzo> Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[10:01] <enzo> Booting 'not lucky'
[10:02] <octan> hmm
[10:02] <joakim> most i am restart Amsn on my pc ?
[10:02] <octan> just amsn
[10:02] <joakim> oki
[10:03] <enzo> ok
[10:04] <enzo> so I am able to boot Kubuntu now... lets see if it will go through fdisk again
[10:04] <octan> booing with supergrub cd?
[10:04] <octan> *booting
[10:04] <joakim> okey octan i have restart Amsn and than he tell meg is not install :-<
[10:04] <enzo> nope
[10:04] <enzo> well, yes, but no
[10:04] <octan> joakim, try woth kopete
[10:05] <joakim> oki
[10:05] <enzo> octan, It loads it up for me (through the cd, not GRUB itself) but then it goes through the "check forced" and back where I started
[10:06] <Arlington> i'am trying to do this: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Generating.2FInstalling_Ubuntu_packages_for_the_8.28.8_drivers_in_Ubuntu_Dapper_Manually
[10:06] <Arlington> "installing teh ne driver. i have downloaded it
[10:06] <octan> enzo, run fsck from live cd then?
[10:06] <Arlington> currently trying to do part "create .deb packages"
[10:07] <enzo> ok
[10:07] <enzo> I will once I'm done letting this check clear
[10:07] <octan> this is a painin the ass righy :P
[10:08] <enzo> oh yeah
[10:08] <joakim> oki try kopete now
[10:08] <mdr> Ok I'm reruning "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", being carefull this time ;)  I'm following the wikin howto/nvida trouble shooting suggestions verbatim.
[10:08] <enzo> WOOHOO, I'm in
[10:08] <octan> nice
[10:09] <mdr> Hi, I'm back.  Thanks for the help. Re-running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", being carefull this time ;)  I'm following the wikin howto/nvida trouble shooting suggestions verbatim.
[10:09] <enzo> so now how do I install the GRUB?
[10:09] <octan> grub-install /dev/hda
[10:10] <enzo> let me get in on konversation
[10:11] <draik> octan?
[10:12] <octan> draik, ?
[10:14] <mabreaux> hello all
[10:14] <mdr> What entry best describes my mouse ImPS2 or ExplorerPS2?
[10:14] <mabreaux> can you add synaptic to kubuntu or is there a problem with that?
[10:15] <mdr> I've got a two button logitech wheel mouse (wired infrared).  Its pretty standard.  ImPS2 or ExplorerPS2 or something else?
[10:15] <tobias___> mabreaux: kubuntu uses adept for the same things as synaptic I belive
[10:16] <mabreaux> how do you set the repositories then...
[10:17] <draik> octan
[10:17] <draik> THANK YOU
[10:17] <draik> THANK YOU
[10:17] <draik> THANK YOU
[10:17] <tobias___> mabreaux: one sec Ill check
[10:17] <draik> and sorry for flooding
[10:18] <tobias___> !repositories
[10:18] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:18] <tobias___> !adept
[10:18] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[10:18] <tobias___> adept howto!
[10:18] <tobias___> :)
[10:18] <mdr> I'm reconfiguring xorg.conf is something wrong?  I've never heard of these protocols that Im being asked to select.
[10:18] <tobias___> mabreaux: the second menu item on the first menu
[10:19] <octan> draik, :D your welcome
[10:19] <tobias___> mabreaux: in adept
[10:21] <mdr> please help this has been a nightmare
[10:22] <Arlington> hi all!
[10:22] <Arlington> i have a problem.
[10:23] <Kyral> !problem
[10:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about problem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:23] <Kyral> ...
[10:23] <Kyral> Okay
[10:24] <Kyral> Arlington: instead of stating you have a problem, its better to just ask the question :P
[10:24] <Arlington> okay :-)
[10:24] <ibert> hi again. One question: is there  a way to find out if the X server uses nv or nvidia driver? Cause on the start of X there is  no nvidia logo. on teh other hand, the option "noLogo" is not in the xorg.conf. In the xorg.conf there is "nvidia" set as driver.
[10:24] <Arlington> when ever i try to reboot. hutdown or so. my system hangs up. i'am on the lastest kubuntu build.
[10:25] <Kyral> Arlington: check the Xserver logs (look in /var/log)
[10:25] <Arlington> what am i looking forr?
[10:25] <Kyral> Some kind of msg about the NVidia driver
[10:26] <Arlington> i have ati :-)
[10:26] <Kyral> oh wait
[10:26] <Kyral> I got that mixed up
[10:26] <Arlington> but in wich file am i supposed to look?
[10:26] <Kyral> I thought Arlington asked ibert's question...
[10:26] <mdr> Ok I just guess on the protocol "ExplorerPS2"  Next it's asking me if I want to emulate a 3 button mouse.  Well my mouse is a wheel mouse. (2 buttons with a clickable wheel in the middle).  So do i need to emulate a 3 button mouse. Yes or No?
[10:26] <Arlington> *lol*
[10:27] <Kyral> mdr nope
[10:27] <ibert> Kyral: no, it was me :-)
[10:27] <umang> applications just disappear sometimes.dows anybody how i can fix it. i am on kubuntu 6.06.
[10:27] <Kyral> ibert: the last things I said about logs were targetted at you :P
[10:28] <joakim> oki noting  happen on kopete when i send web cam ?
[10:28] <Kyral> !webcam
[10:28] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[10:28] <Arlington> well kyral do u have any input for me?
[10:28] <ibert> Kyral: ok. I'll checked it out. For Example "(II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1280x1024""
[10:28] <Kyral> Arlington: hmm...I have experianced this on my server box...I just hit the power switch manually...
[10:28] <gupta> umang: disappear?
[10:29] <umang> i am here
[10:29] <Kyral> ibert: does it say anything about it failing?
[10:29] <gupta> no! programs disappear means what?
[10:29] <joakim> thx ubotu
[10:29] <XVampireX> Dapper to Edgy: Do I get upstart during the upgrade or do I have to manually install it?
[10:29] <Arlington> yeah well it would work. but i have problems using Ctrl-Alt-F1 and such to
[10:29] <gupta> umang: from kmenu?
[10:29] <Kyral> Arlington: do you have Framebuffer enabled?
[10:30] <Arlington> and because it can't reboot properly i think my applet's dosn't work...
[10:30] <Arlington> yes i have.
[10:30] <umang> they are running and suddenly they vanish. firefox, amarok.
[10:30] <ibert> Kyral: no.
[10:30] <Kyral> Arlington: if the framebuffer uses the same module as X does, then it will block VT switching
[10:30] <Arlington> so u say i should try turning it off?
[10:30] <Kyral> Arlington: Change the framebuffer line in menu.lst to something like vesafb
[10:31] <Kyral> ibert: hmm...I dunno...
[10:31] <Arlington> what will happen then? i wanna know the root of this evil.
[10:31] <Kyral> Arlington: I told you
[10:31] <gupta> umang: hmm, tha means they are 'crashing' , no idea why that could be.
[10:31] <Kyral> Arlington: the framebuffer is using the same module as X to draw the screen. X "takes control" of it
[10:32] <ibert> Kyral: hmm. but glxgears is sloooooow motion.....
[10:32] <umang> yes they are crashing.the installation is just 3-4 days old.
[10:32] <Arlington> okay how do i change this then?
[10:32] <Kyral> ibert: pastebin your xorg.conf
[10:32] <Kyral> Arlington: go to root and edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:32] <Kyral> Arlington: look for the bootline and something like "ati" or "vesafb"
[10:33] <gupta> which command for a clean shutdown? so that progams close nice and cleanly & session info is saved. "sudo shutdown -h now" seems a bit overkill
[10:33] <joakim> when i show install the web cam i got ERROR (
[10:33] <joakim> Det oppsto feil ved behandling av:
[10:33] <joakim>  /var/cache/apt/archives/easycam2_1.99-10c_all.deb
[10:33] <joakim> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:33] <Kyral> gupta: thats it
[10:34] <joakim> and i think  i have install the web cam
[10:34] <ibert> Kyral: http://rafb.net/paste/results/9q4LXU57.html
[10:34] <gupta> Kyral: thats the same command when clicking shutdown from kmenu?
[10:34] <Arlington> the boot line dosn't say anything.
[10:34] <Kyral> gupta: more or less
[10:35] <gupta> Kyral: ok,
[10:35] <joakim> oki i have install the driver EasyCam
[10:35] <Kyral> ibert: try commmenting out the line with "Load "dri""
[10:35] <Blacken> Hmm. I'm running a series of Linux "how-to" clinics at my school...the people attending are NOT going to be computer types. Think I should bother with rustling up some ShipIt CDs to hand out?
[10:36] <joakim> and i got the  same ERROR
[10:36] <Kyral> Arlington: pastebin /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:36] <Arlington> what is the pastebin adress again?
[10:36] <Kyral> !pastebin
[10:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:36] <Arlington> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25242/
[10:37] <ibert> Kyral: I'll do, but I hav to leave KDE for restart X. give me a moment.
[10:38] <ibert> Kyral: glxgears still sleeping...
[10:38] <ibert> hmm
[10:38] <ibert> but gl-117 is very fast. strange
[10:39] <Kyral> ibert: I dunno...
[10:39] <Arlington> did u look at it kyral?
[10:40] <ibert> Kyral: thanks anyway
[10:40] <Blacken> Heh, at least 6.06 works fine. :D
[10:40] <Kyral> Arlington: hmm I dunno then...it looks good
[10:40] <mabreaux> why is smart not in the programs list.
[10:40] <Kyral> ibert: Yah I mean your xorg.conf looks right so....
[10:40] <Arlington> *sighs*
[10:40] <Kyral> mabreaux: because its a daemon
[10:41] <JosephRivers> i want to resize a reiserfs filesystem, but reiserfs requires that I unmount the file system first. My filesystem is "/", so I need to make a boot cd that has all of the reiserfs tools on it. Does anynone know how to do this?
[10:41] <Kyral> (I assume you mean SMART, the Hard Disk monitor?)
[10:41] <Arlington> kubuntu crew states that the drivers for ati is unstable but i wen't throug their process and choosed the most stable on...
[10:41] <Kyral> JosephRivers: try the Knoppix LiveCD
[10:41] <Arlington> suck not being able to restart x...
[10:41] <ibert> Kyral: hmm. I'll giv it try tomorrow. the point is that xorg uses a lot of CPU - and this not fine, due I have an geforce FX5200
[10:42] <Kyral> ibert: you sure that the NVidia kernel module is loaded?
[10:42] <Kyral> ibert: (lsmod | grep nvidia)
[10:42] <mabreaux> I have used it on a lot of platform and it works well, why is it a daemon?
[10:42] <Arlington> another nOOb question. how do i activate kweather?
[10:42] <Arlington> i installed it but can't sem to find ouot how to get it to run...
[10:42] <gnomefreak> Kyral: no i didnt forget adn yes you are unbanned
[10:42] <JosephRivers> Kyral: do you know if there is a smaller version of the Knoppix LiveCD? I imagine it would probably work, but I only want a small fraction of what's on the CD.
[10:43] <Kyral> JosephRivers: hmm Damn Small Linux might work (youd have to install them on the fly but its easy)
[10:43] <Arlington> another nOOb question. how do i activate kweather?
[10:43] <Arlington> another nOOb question. how do i activate kweather?
[10:43] <Arlington> i installed it but can't sem to find ouot how to get it to run...
[10:44] <Film905> can someone explain the logic of how icons move when you add applications to panels. It seems like half the time I move one half of the other icons change locations on the panel.
[10:44] <ibert> Kyral: lsmod gives me a yes.
[10:44] <Kyral> mabreaux: (I am assuming you mean SMART) the Smartmontools are actually two programs. smartd (the daemon), and smartctl. You run smartctl as root (something like "smartctl -a /dev/<hd>)
[10:44] <Kyral> ibert: Sorry then
[10:44] <Kyral> ibert: I dunno
[10:44] <Kyral> Arlington: right click on the panel and select "add applet" it should be there
[10:45] <ibert> Kyral: ok. thanks anyway
[10:47] <Arlington> it's not :-( but it's in the list in adept as installed...
[10:48] <Kyral> Arlington: restart KDE?
[10:49] <pakx> sorry its a noobquestion. but how can i install rpm packages? Linux newbee ;-)
[10:49] <Arlington> well that's the problem it fucks upp when i try to restart and i suspect that is why it isn't there... :-/
[10:49] <mdr> Progress! I've reconfigured xorg.conf and rebooted.  Got the NVIDIA splash screen.  However some screwy stuff in xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25243/ I don't have any "cursor" devices at all what are all these wacom lines?
[10:50] <Kyral> pakx: Ubuntu is Debian-based so we use .deb packages
[10:50] <Kyral> (Fedora, SuSE, and Mandriva among others use RPMs)
[10:51] <pakx> ok
[10:51] <pakx> thanks
[10:51] <mabreaux> would any one recommend a antivirus for kubuntu?
[10:51] <Blacken> mabreaux: Why would you want one?
[10:51] <Kyral> mabreaux: This is Linux, you don't NEED it
[10:52] <mabreaux> I am sorry to say there are linux virus out there.
[10:52] <Arlington> how do i restart kde+
[10:53] <Kyral> mabreaux: Technically yes, in virii labs, as proof of concept
[10:53] <Arlington> ?
[10:53] <Kyral> Arlington: CTRL+ALT+Backspace
[10:53] <mabreaux> what?
[10:53] <mabreaux> what is virii labs?
[10:53] <Blacken> mabreaux: PoC ones, sure, but nothing in the wild and nothing that, unless YOU give them root, will be able to damage your machine.
[10:53] <Arlington> but my system hangs when i do thoose kind of things...
[10:53] <Kyral> mabreaux: What Symantic and company use to "stay ahead of the game"
[10:54] <mdr> Why are these cursor devices are in my xorg.conf file?  Is it a problem?
[10:54] <Blacken> You're safer just keeping your kernel up to date so priv-escalation can't happen.
[10:54] <mabreaux> what about keylogger and spyware
[10:55] <Blacken> mabreaux: Again, you have to give them permission to do anything nasty.
[10:55] <Admiral_Chicago> mabreaux, a keylooger keeps track of waht you type, like passwords what pages you winit
[10:56] <Blacken> mabreaux: A keylogger can run as you, but I've never seen it and I've been using Linux for quite some time.
[10:56] <Kyral> Linux is pretty much secure
[10:56] <Blacken> mabreaux: You're better off just being careful about what you download. Seriously. You have very little to worry about.
[10:56] <Kyral> as long as you don't do something stupid like run as root all the time...
[10:56] <Blacken> It takes a special kind of moron to infest their computer with something nasty if running Linux.
[10:56] <mabreaux> sorry about all the question but I am new to kubuntu....
[10:57] <Blacken> mabreaux: Don't worry about it, we were all new once.
[10:57] <Kyral> Forkbombs would be worse....
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> Should the nx bit on current processors allow running as root alot more safely (if you wanted to)
[10:57] <Blacken> Kyral: Forkbombs don't work by default anymore.
[10:57] <Kyral> Blacken: oh?
[10:57] <mabreaux> problem is I can watch what I am downloading but what about my 16 year old son
[10:57] <Kyral> so writing a script that recursively calls itself won't kill a system? :P
[10:57] <Blacken> Kyral: I tried to write a simple one a while back--it spat errors about "too many process children".
[10:58] <TheGateKeeper> mabreaux: Windows to Ubuntu Transition Guide:http://www.pcmech.com/show/os/917/
[10:58] <Kyral> mabreaux: in Linux by and large you need to have root to install things system wide
[10:58] <Film905> can someone explain the logic of how icons move when you add applications to panels. It seems like half the time I move one half of the other icons change locations on the panel.
[10:58] <Blacken> mabreaux: That's why you use permission sets and prevent him from having root access.
[10:58] <Kyral> Film905: the Icons are just adjusting themselves so they stay all nice and spaced out
[10:59] <Kyral> oh and choose a good password
[11:00] <Kyral> if you can't think of one. pwgen can help
[11:00] <Film905> Kyral: I could understand if they were just moving a little. But I'll try  move one and two or three will flip halfway across the panel and then I won't be able to move them back.
[11:00] <Film905> I was just wondering if I was missing somthing.
[11:00] <Kyral> Film905: Ahh...dunno then sorry
[11:02] <mdr> Opening kate in konsole gives error messages "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169"  I suscept it might be those unknown things in my xorg.conf file (posted above).  How should I fix this?
[11:02] <Admiral_Chicago> mdr, that is why you open GUI from "run command"
[11:02] <Dr_willis> mdr,  thats just the touchpad/wacom entry in the xorg.conf file - not imporntant
[11:03] <mabreaux> how long do Beta cycles last generally for kubuntu? I see the 6.10 just entered beta.
[11:04] <mdr> Admiral_Chicago:  Usually as a quick and dirty way to edit a scrip file or something when im browsing via the terminal anyway.  Is this bad?
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> mabreaux: Depends dapper added another 2 months to its cycle
[11:04] <Kyral> mabreaux: Ubuntu is on a six month release cycle (normally)
[11:04] <mdr> konsole is really GUI too, no?
[11:04] <Kyral> Edgy (6.10) is gonna be more "experimental"
[11:04] <Kyral> mdr: Konsole is a "Terminal Emulator"
[11:05] <Kyral> mdr: Basically a console :P
[11:05] <Admiral_Chicago> mdr, not really but thats why you get the error
[11:05] <Admiral_Chicago> it won't affect the performance but you'll get some ugly output
[11:05] <Kyral> (On Edgy, sabdfl basically gave the devs carte blanche since Dapper is rock solid)
[11:07] <TheGateKeeper> until the let a broken update out :-)
[11:07] <TheGateKeeper> they*
[11:07] <Kyral> I wasn't involved with that...I quit testing Dapper halfway through to start using ArchLinux
[11:09] <Admiral_Chicago> Kyral, they did a lot of really cool stuff
[11:09] <Kyral> I like Arch
[11:10] <TheGateKeeper> Kyral: I have also installed arch linux, got the gentoo base system up too, now having a go with kororaa
[11:10] <Kyral> I support Ubuntu's mission, but for a tech nut like me I prefer Arch's insane customizability
[11:10] <Kyral> (And not patient enough for Gentoo :P)
[11:10] <TheGateKeeper> then you want kororaa :-)
[11:10] <mdr> Ok I won't concern myself with the touchpad entries.  Did I select the correct protocol for my mouse "explorerPS2"?
[11:11] <Kyral> TheGateKeeper: Nah I like Arch :P
[11:11] <TheGateKeeper> Kyral: :-)
[11:12] <en1gma> sup al
[11:12] <ComunisTico> hi, want to know if i can install an OS in an external hard drive and add it as a partiture so i can have several OS, cause i got already kubuntu and win2k on the internal
[11:13] <TheGateKeeper> don't see why not
[11:14] <ComunisTico> but how can i do it? i mean i got the pc runing now, i conect the new hard disk via usb.. how can i install an os there?
[11:16] <en1gma> on this site "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto" at this paragraph "Installing Ubuntu into the RAID Array" he says "The standard LiveCDs and Alternative install CDs do not yet contain support for fakeRAID. I used the LiveCD to boot up, and used the package manager to download the dmraid package from the universe repository (enable the "Universe" source in the settings of Synaptic or by editing /etc/apt/sources.lst).
[11:16] <en1gma> now what does he mean by "I used the LiveCD to boot up,"
[11:16] <hot_licker> /list
[11:17] <en1gma> which one is he talking about
[11:17] <hot_licker> /help
[11:17] <joakim> i try to install KDE icon when i try to install that i got ERROR  (the file is not valid icon theme archive) and is a icon fil
[11:18] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: dapper comes on a livecd (which I presume he is talking about) & an alternative cd which uses a text installer
[11:19] <joakim> Octan can u help me to install a KDE icon
[11:19] <joakim> ??
[11:20] <joakim> fuck
[11:20] <en1gma> TheGateKeeper im confused....isnt dapper the "standard live cd"
[11:21] <en1gma> brb
[11:22] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: dapper is on both, different methods of installation
[11:22] <en1gma> i have kubuntu dvd 6.06 amd64 is that what hes talking bout
[11:22] <TheGateKeeper> liveCD uses gui, alternative uses text installer
[11:22] <en1gma> i looked under "alternate" and it says for raid and lvm
[11:23] <mabreaux> > I am getting a "Read Only mode: Database Locked - Adept Manager" how do I repair it?
[11:23] <Admiral_Chicago> mabreaux, something else may be using sudo
[11:23] <en1gma> also it says "installing GRUB to a location other than the Master Boot Record" <<<<for alternate
[11:23] <mabreaux> where do I look to find the program doing it.
[11:24] <en1gma> alternate just isnt for non-gui right? it has other options the "standard" dont?
[11:24] <ComunisTico> anyone knows how can  i install an OS to an external drive?
[11:24] <en1gma> is standard and alternate both on the kubuntu D
[11:24] <en1gma> V
[11:24] <CNote> hello, I am needed to install mozilla-browser >=1.7.12 -- the package does not look available...any suggestions?
[11:24] <en1gma> DVD
[11:24] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: I think the alternative gives you a bit more control
[11:25] <segfault_> CNote, install pkg from mozilla.org
[11:25] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: liveCD install actually asks remarkable few questions
[11:25] <en1gma> but he says that "standard AND alternate" dont work so i had to use "the live cd"
[11:25] <CNote> ok
[11:25] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Got a moment?
[11:26] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Sure
[11:26] <Kr4t05> Having a weird thing with this kernel compile...
[11:26] <en1gma> "The standard LiveCDs and Alternative install CDs do not yet contain support for fakeRAID. I used the LiveCD to boot up, and used the package manager to download the dmraid package from the universe repository (enable the "Universe" source in the settings of Synaptic or by editing /etc/apt/sources.lst). "
[11:26] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: yes but then goes on to say he downloaded stuff
[11:26] <en1gma> is this guy on dope? cause i cant figure it out
[11:26] <en1gma> yea so witch one you think hes talking bout
[11:27] <en1gma> cause im new to kubuntu and cant make heads or tails
[11:27] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25247/
[11:27] <en1gma> if i have the kubuntu dvd will that work
[11:28] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: I think he boots the liveCD because this gives him a dektop which then enables him to do other things
[11:28] <en1gma> and the live dvd will do that to right?
[11:28] <en1gma> and i can install from the dvd too?
[11:28] <mabreaux> I am on a laptop with only one user, who would be using the sudo command because I am not?
[11:28] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: never used the dvd so not sure
[11:28] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: What exactly did you do to get that error/message ?
[11:28] <en1gma> so which one do you think he used the "alternate cd"?
[11:29] <en1gma> theres 3 diff links i can find to dload files on kubuntu.com....the "standard cd", "the alternate cd" and "the kubuntu dvd" idk
[11:29] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: no the LiveCD
[11:30] <en1gma> i see desktop and alternate
[11:30] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: boot the dvd see if it comes up like a livcd with a desktop
[11:30] <Electrolyte> Oh great. Thanks to the KDE 3.5.4 update, I now have to format my machine.
[11:30] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Followed the instructions on your howto you wrote, appling the realtime-preempt patch from http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/. Otherwise, exactly what that howto said.
[11:31] <en1gma> TheGateKeeper ok thnx
[11:31] <en1gma> will try that first
[11:31] <en1gma> got to wait 15mins for this dang dlo to complete
[11:31] <en1gma> 6mins*
[11:31] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: what he is basically saying
[11:32] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: is that he needs to boot to a desktop
[11:32] <Electrolyte> Anyone able to help me figure out why Adept isn't working?
[11:32] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: So you got that error/message when you tried to apply the patch, or when exactly ?
[11:32] <Electrolyte> My update completely screwed up to 3.5.4 :/
[11:32] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: so he can fetch the stuff he needs
[11:32] <en1gma> ok
[11:32] <en1gma> thats what i was hoping
[11:32] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: got it?
[11:32] <en1gma> yep yep
[11:33] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: :-)
[11:33] <en1gma> i think he should maybe make it a little more clear for (non kububtu) ppl to understand
[11:33] <en1gma> as that is the best buide i have found and alot of ppl would prop do it too
[11:33] <en1gma> they prob already have im sure
[11:33] <Hawkwind> Electrolyte: What exactly is messed up, and have you tried doing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade from a terminal ?
[11:34] <Electrolyte> Adept manager gave me an error, I clicked OK while it was updating and it closed :/
[11:34] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: you have it to read it slowly :-) :-)
[11:34] <Electrolyte> So I only have half of the update.
[11:34] <groth|GAGA> Electrolyte: Use apt on CLI
[11:34] <Hawkwind> Electrolyte: So do the commands I just told you from a terminal
[11:34] <Electrolyte> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[11:35] <groth|GAGA> Electrolyte: So just do it!
[11:35] <en1gma> there are 3 versions (desktop, alternate and the dvd" now he says "standard and alternate" AND "i used the livecd"
[11:35] <Electrolyte> Already am, calm down :/
[11:35] <en1gma> if you think about the "standard and alternate cds are eliminated" so that just leaves the dvd BUT he says "i used the live cd"
[11:36] <Hawkwind> en1gma: 'desktop' IS the live CD
[11:36] <en1gma> i been on that Q since last night
[11:36] <Hawkwind> en1gma: alternate is a full blown installer, not a live CD version
[11:36] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: I think he is talking about the cd not dvd
[11:36] <en1gma> yea but for a nooB to kubuntu no one knows that
[11:36] <xst> I do not understand this: I've logged into a remote box through ssh with X-forwarding. In the ssh-window I write "firefox" and firefox correctly shows up on my local box. But the firefox settings belong, for some strange reason, to the user on the local box. Not the remote box from which it was launched. Can anyone explain this?
[11:36] <Hawkwind> en1gma: If they read the website from which they are downloading it they will
[11:37] <en1gma> im at "http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/6.06.1/" and there is a desktop cd and alternate cd but nooo "livecd"
[11:37] <en1gma> and i can go into the "dvd" area
[11:37] <Hawkwind> en1gma: As stated, the 'desktop' version IS the live cd
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> en1gma: desktop == live
[11:38] <en1gma> to a nooB they do not know that
[11:38] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: PC (Intel x86) desktop CD  <---- liveCD
[11:38] <Hawkwind> If they read the site they will
[11:38] <en1gma> thats why i am saying if the guide was clear on which isos he used it would be nice
[11:38] <en1gma> where does it say live cd
[11:38] <fyrmedic> What is the equivalent of "export" or "setenv" in bash
[11:38] <fyrmedic> ?
[11:39] <h3sp4wn> bash uses export afaik
[11:39] <Hawkwind> Desktop CD
[11:39] <Hawkwind> The desktop CD allows you to try Kubuntu without changing your computer at all, and at your option to install it permanently later. This type of CD is what most people will want to use. You will need at least 192MB of RAM to install from this CD.
[11:39] <en1gma> if you goto read his article the whole thing is about raid0 array which actually is on the "alternate cd" not the "live/desktop cd"
[11:39] <Hawkwind> en1gma: Did you read that at the top of the page ?
[11:39] <fyrmedic> h3sp4win: what do I use in Kubuntu? I thought command line was in bash?
[11:39] <en1gma> i read his paragraph that says he didnt use "standard or alternate"
[11:39] <en1gma> whats left
[11:40] <xst> How can I fix the remote printing bug in CUPS? When I try print, the only output from the printer is a set of "@PJL SET" commands. The bug has been in dapper for several months now. What to do?
[11:40] <en1gma> standard = desktop = live cd
[11:40] <en1gma> he says he didnt use standard
[11:40] <Hawkwind> en1gma: I have no idea what you are referring to when you say you 'read his article'
[11:40] <en1gma> this howto guide "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto"
[11:40] <en1gma> at this section "Installing Ubuntu into the RAID Array"
[11:41] <en1gma> now the "alternate cd" provides "lvm and raid" support and also "grub to install different locations"
[11:41] <en1gma> it sounds like i need the alternate
[11:42] <Hawkwind> en1gma: First of all, that how-to is very old since it was written for Breezy and back then they didn't have the desktop, alternate and DVD versions
[11:42] <en1gma> ohhhh
[11:42] <en1gma> its the best articles i can find....it is a "live" thread
[11:42] <Hawkwind> The standard LiveCDs and Alternative install CDs do not yet contain support for fakeRAID. I used the LiveCD to boot up
[11:42] <en1gma> it does get updated
[11:42] <Hawkwind> Besides, it states that he used the Live CD right there
[11:43] <en1gma> i cant find no link for a "live cd" on kubunto.com
[11:43] <en1gma> i see the "desktop"
[11:43] <en1gma> and if you say that is it then what is standard
[11:43] <Hawkwind> en1gma: As I've stated 3 times, desktop IS the live cd
[11:43] <en1gma> then what is standard
[11:43] <Hawkwind> en1gma: Again, that how-to is old
[11:43] <en1gma> ok
[11:44] <en1gma> will the kubuntu dvd work for what im doing you think?
[11:44] <Hawkwind> en1gma: The 'alternative' CD allows you to do RAID stuff.  The Live CD of Dapper does *not* AFAIK
[11:44] <en1gma> ahhh
[11:44] <en1gma> that is important
[11:44] <en1gma> i need that raid stuff
[11:44] <Hawkwind> en1gma: I honestly don't know the answer to that.  I know the alternate CD is what you will want
[11:44] <en1gma> okie i dloaded that last night
[11:44] <en1gma> i got the kubuntu 6.06 dvd i gonna try first though
[11:45] <en1gma> dload is done brb
[11:45] <en1gma> i hope
[11:45] <Electrolyte> Aha, aRts in 3.5.4 fixed the memory leak.
[11:45] <Electrolyte> Good
[11:46] <Johnathan> Hi there, I'm trying network 2 computers using a crossover cable. I've setup the ip in /etc/network/interfaces. Could now ping from one comp to the other. How do I navigate the file directory for the other computer to copy folder(s) across. Thanks
[11:46] <Blacken> Question -- I have the ATI proprietary drivers installed, but they don't seem happy with Xorg despite it. I can't set resolution to native (1280x800). Any help?
[11:46] <mabreaux> how do you play movies on kubuntu? DVD
[11:47] <mabreaux> how do you play movies from DVD
[11:47] <Hawkwind> !dvd
[11:47] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:47] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: ^^^^^^
[11:47] <mabreaux> how do you play movies on kubuntu form dvd's
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> !restricted
[11:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:48] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: Please stop repeating yourself and read the info you were just given
[11:48] <phreak_> so would it kill me to repoint my repositories to the new beta one?
[11:48] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Did you ever do a 64Bit build of the E17 stuff ?
[11:48] <Hawkwind> phreak_: Why do you want to ?
[11:48] <Hawkwind> phreak_: It's still breaks quite often and isn't really meant for everyday desktop usage
[11:49] <phreak_> ok, thats what i wanted to know
[11:49] <phreak_> just wasn't sure if it was stable
[11:49] <Hawkwind> Ughhhh, don't pm without permission please
[11:49] <Hawkwind> phreak_: Not stable until it's released as final some time next month
[11:49] <phreak_> how does it compare, to say, unstable debain, or the mandrake cooker?
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Still not got round to it (Its not my machine I need to build it on and I am only there every so often)
[11:50] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Ah gotcha.  Was just curious is all
[11:51] <mohammed> i have my kde running and who 700MO over 1.5G
[11:52] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, i haven't had any problems
[11:52] <Admiral_Chicago> a few bugs but i reported them
[11:52] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: I will get it done eventually (evolume , devian - still broken)
[11:52] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I haven't either.  But that still doesn't mean it's stable for everyday use.  Not recommended to tell users it's stable when it's not
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Its been ages since I have had it all building cleanly
[11:53] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: evolume has been replaced by mixer.  There is a new version of mixer coming out very soon too
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: what is devian for ?
[11:53] <mdr> Ack, Glxgears gives 980 FPS.  Athlon/FX 5200   Isn't this slower than molassis?
[11:53] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: devian was an rss feed reader, and a couple of other things.  It's not maintained either at the moment
[11:54] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, strange, you'd think us heavy users/dev people would get some serious issue but i didn't get anything
[11:54] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Did you read that pastebin?
[11:54] <Admiral_Chicago> everyone talk to Hawkwind right now
[11:54] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Yes.  But where/when exactly did that error occur ?
[11:54] <Kr4t05> Now, on this machine.
[11:54] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Was it while applying the patch, or somewhere later, earlier ?
[11:55] <theresa> hi there
[11:55] <Johnathan> Hi, trying to network two kubuntu pcs. ip's set. Could ping. How do I copy folders across from one computer to other (firewall disabled. sftp says "connection refused")
[11:55] <Kr4t05> When I attempted "make-kpkg --parameter --parameter"
[11:55] <Blacken> Question -- I have the ATI proprietary drivers installed, but they don't seem happy with Xorg despite it. I can't set resolution to native (1280x800). Any help?
[11:55] <TheGateKeeper> Johnathan: nfs
[11:55] <Johnathan> what's nfs??
[11:56] <Hawkwind> !nfs
[11:56] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[11:56] <TheGateKeeper> !nfs
[11:56] <Johnathan> ok, what's !nfs :p
[11:56] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: You did make-kpkg clean without any issues ?
[11:56] <Hawkwind> Johnathan: Read what the bot just said
[11:56] <Kr4t05> Affirmative.
[11:56] <Electrolyte> Can someone explain to me how to create a new user in a shell? I need to check if my KDE config file is damaged.
[11:56] <Admiral_Chicago> i wish compiz didn't have a memory leak
[11:56] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Then the next command failed ?
[11:57] <Kr4t05> One moment...
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> Electrolyte, i think the command is user..no
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't know
[11:57] <Hawkwind> Electrolyte: adduser
[11:57] <Electrolyte> Thanks.
[11:57] <Blacken> Electrolyte: adduser
[11:57] <Hawkwind> Electrolyte: Or useradd, one or the other
[11:57] <TheGateKeeper> Johnathan: it's me & hawkwind having a race to the bot & him winning :-)
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> Electrolyte, check the man page too
[11:57] <Hawkwind> TheGateKeeper: That's what happens when I type over 120wpm :P
[11:57] <ubuntu> I'm having a problem with the manual partitioner while installing Kubuntu on PPC. The partition table view won't show up in the window and when I click continue it says that the partitioner has crashed.
[11:58] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Impressive.
[11:58] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: not exactly giving a poor sod like me a chance :-)
[11:58] <Kr4t05> That's either the sign of A.) A successful future or B.) An addiction to IRC. :P
[11:59] <Kr4t05> sipefree: That's a known issue with the partitioner...
[11:59] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: I'd lean towards B a *lot* heaver than I would A :P
[11:59] <Kr4t05> Heh
[11:59] <Hawkwind> I used to type faster, but with age I've slowed down a bit
[11:59] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, dang
[12:00] <Admiral_Chicago> on a qwerty?
[12:00] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Yeah.  I've never once typed on a dvorak keyboard
[12:00] <Kr4t05> Okay, I'm did make-kpkg clean and am now doing make-kpkg -initrd --etc
[12:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, dvorak is great
[12:00] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: So it's working as it should now ?
[12:00] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I've always wanted to try it, just never have
[12:00] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: They're trying to bring back the dvorak, (I think)
[12:00] <Admiral_Chicago> its like linux, just hop in and keep using itn
[12:01] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I've been typing qwerty for 25+ years so switching I feel would be difficult at first
[12:01] <Kr4t05> It would take me forever, since I've learned how to touch-type so well. :P
[12:01] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, i supposed thats a good reason
[12:01] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Hah
[12:01] <Johnathan> Ok, thanks hawkwind, TheGateKeeper. Will give that a try.
[12:01] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I know I could do it, it's just a matter of really wanting/needing to and forcing myself
[12:01] <Kr4t05> I should try the DAS Uber-Geek keyboard.
[12:01] <Admiral_Chicago> i can touch-type pretty well but the problem is my keyboard
[12:02] <Kr4t05> It has no writing on it, at all.
[12:02] <Admiral_Chicago> Das Keyboard
[12:02] <flaccid> then you can't touch type
[12:02] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: My keyboard doesn't have letters on it anymore.  They have all rubbed off
[12:02] <Admiral_Chicago> that's what you need Hawkwind
[12:02] <Hawkwind> Only time I look at it is to clean it
[12:03] <software_> !es
[12:03] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:03] <Kr4t05> Each section of keys has a specific weight of resistance to it, to best suit the finger that should be pressing it.
[12:03] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, www.daskeyboard.com/
[12:03] <Admiral_Chicago> its got weighted keys so you press less for further keyns
[12:04] <Blacken> Resizing NTFS--QTParted seems to not want to do it. Any suggestions?
[12:04] <Kr4t05> Blacken: It won't.
[12:04] <software_> how mount my memory flash on kubuntu?
[12:04] <Kr4t05> Wipe it and start over. :P
[12:04] <Blacken> Kr4t05: Yeah, I know. I was hoping for a better answer.
[12:05] <Kr4t05> Blacken: Your Windows partition, I take it?
[12:05] <TheGateKeeper> Blacken: GParted??
[12:05] <Blacken> Kr4t05: Not mine. Setting up someone else's machine with Kub.
[12:05] <Kr4t05> Magic.
[12:05] <software_> i need help
[12:05] <BluesKaj> blacken , get GPaeted version 3 , it enlarged my hda3 to 60G from 3G no problem and shrunk my Windows partition as well.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Gparted*
[12:06] <Blacken> BluesKaj: GParted is just a frontend for parted, isn't it?
[12:06] <BluesKaj> it's the gnome live cd version, Blacken
[12:06] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: It would have done a better job if it had deleted the Windows partition all together :P
[12:07] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: The error occured towards what looked like the end of the compile, so it may be about 8 or 9 before we have a verdict. :P
[12:07] <BluesKaj> hence the (G)
[12:07] <TheGateKeeper> software_: it should automount when you plug it in
[12:07] <dre> hi all
[12:07] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Ok
[12:07] <Blacken> BluesKaj: Yes, and it still interfaces with the same version of parted, I believe.
[12:07] <BluesKaj> the trick is to shrink the windows partition first , then then the xtn
[12:07] <Kr4t05> Unfortunately, my system doesn't have as much compiling power as I would hope.
[12:09] <software_> yes by don't accses it
[12:09] <BluesKaj> make sure you have the boot sequence set to cdrom to use the GParted live cd