[02:01] <poningru> back from classes
[02:01] <poningru> should we work on beta release page some more?
[02:01] <poningru> it just seems like.... something's missing
[02:01] <poningru> I dont know
[02:18] <poningru> oh
[02:18] <poningru> ...
[03:06] <dotwaffle> tis a bit late ;)
[03:18] <poningru> :(
[06:07] <Flannel> Hey guys, on the Beta page, why isn't the evolution picture thumbnailed? instead of being insanely large?  (thumbnailed on the main page, like the theme ones)
[03:34] <brian98> I guess you guys have seen http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/5388182.stm
[03:40] <elkbuntu> the clinton + ubuntu thong thing?
[03:40] <brian98> :-)
[03:41] <brian98> look at the comment at the bottom of the piece
[03:42] <elkbuntu> lol
[03:43] <brian98> nice plug
[03:43] <elkbuntu> hehe yeah
[03:45] <newz2000> Burgundavia: ping
[03:46] <newz2000> Burgundavia: just realized you're in Vancouver area, so it's kind of early there. Ping me when you're up and around and we'll talk about the website.
[04:10] <poningru> I know right
[04:49] <popey> did I hear right that someone has arranged for a UK supplier of these things ? --> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/misc/DSC02315
[04:52] <elkbuntu> popey, try looking on www.system76.com
[04:52] <popey> i know about system76
[04:52] <elkbuntu> in the /etc > free stuff section
[04:52] <popey> I specifically said UK supplier
[04:53] <popey> I thought Mr Revell or Mr bacon had organised something
[04:57] <elkbuntu> popey, system76 is branching the sticker distribution out. im the australian supplier
[04:58] <popey> oo, excellent news
[04:58] <popey> http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/ubuntu_stickers/ appears to be the UK one :)
[04:59] <popey> are they the brushed metal ones like in that picture on my gallery?
[04:59] <elkbuntu> no, not brushed metal. http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/53_64
[05:42] <elkbuntu> wb mdke :)
[05:51] <mdke> elkbuntu: thanks
[05:52] <elkbuntu> did you have a nice break?
[05:52] <mdke> yes, very. thanks for asking
[05:52] <mdke> how are things?
[05:53] <elkbuntu> good.. got the surveys up online :) http://surveys.geekosophical.net
[05:53] <elkbuntu> and, got member ;)
[05:53] <mdke> ah, congratulations
[05:54] <elkbuntu> you shoulda been there, the poor CC got flooded ;)
[05:54] <mdke> heh. I will have plenty to catch up on
[05:54] <elkbuntu> i wouldnt rank it as a high priority. it was just lots of people cheering for me :)
[05:55] <mdke> glad to hear it
[06:50] <jenda> fortunately not too much taller than I ;)
[07:02] <poningru> rofl
[07:02] <poningru> might be meeting jono tommorow
[07:03] <elkbuntu> still not sure?
[07:13] <poningru> havent told my parents yet...
[07:14] <poningru> have to make something up
[07:14] <poningru> grr I hate this
[07:28] <popey> he's quite a nice guy really :)
[07:28] <popey> I'm sure your parents would be fine, you meeting a nice upstanding member of the community
[07:29] <popey> but, just to be sure, don't show them any pictures first eh? that'd be best.
[07:32] <poningru> hehe
[07:33] <poningru> I dont know if the goatee will make it ok
[07:33] <poningru> err nm didnt he have to shave it off?
[08:13] <newz2000> Burgundavia: ping
[08:16] <Burgundavia> newz2000: pong
[08:16] <newz2000> Hi Corey, wanted to discuss with you the website
[08:17] <newz2000> Your email had the subject "Major changes to the Ubuntu website..."
[08:17] <newz2000> I think you might have a mis-understanding about what's going on.
[08:17] <newz2000> Even though I'm investing a lot of effort and working hard on it, the end result won't be a "major change"
[08:18] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:18] <newz2000> Unless you've heard of something you felt was major and I'm under-estimating in it's amount of impact.
[08:18] <Burgundavia> well, I honestly have no idea
[08:18] <Burgundavia> you have talked about changes and Riched is talking about changes, but nobody has clearly communicated anything
[08:18] <newz2000> I'm fixing a few visual glitches, changing the tabs across the top, re-orgizing some content.
[08:19] <Burgundavia> can you create a wiki page outlining the changes?
[08:19] <newz2000> I'm adding some new features to Moin so we can make forms and get data into/out of a database.
[08:20] <Burgundavia> I am also lost as to timeline, etc.
[08:20] <Burgundavia> you see, I want to start talking about a new front page, but I honestly don't know whether I should start working on it, or if you have something in the works
[08:21] <newz2000> I've given some ideas and suggestions to the front page, but Mark, Christina (new marketing lady) and artists will do that.
[08:21] <newz2000> If you have some suggestions, I'd suggest mocking them up since Mark is very visual oriented,
[08:21] <Burgundavia> you see, that is exactly what I am annoyed about
[08:21] <newz2000> but don't spend too much time until he says to do it.
[08:22] <Burgundavia> I am not willing to put a bunch of effort into something until I know that I am not wasting my time
[08:22] <newz2000> Here's what I did:
[08:22] <newz2000> I took a screenshot of the homepage, fixed a few things with the navigation, then did a quick 30 min mockup of my ideas.
[08:22] <newz2000> Just to get discussion started.
[08:23] <newz2000> Mark feels very strongly about the home page,
[08:23] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:23] <newz2000> combine that with the fact that he has difficulty describing what he wants sometimes.
[08:23] <newz2000> It will likely get done by someone in close proximity to him.
[08:24] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:24] <newz2000> Not that he doesn't know what he wants, but he's not a designer, so he has to communicate that and he'll likely use a whiteboard or pad of paper.
[08:24] <Burgundavia>  which makes it hard for us non-canonical people to communicate
[08:24] <newz2000> If you have some ideas, by all means, mock them up (quick and rough is fine) and it will help.
[08:24] <newz2000> What are your ideas?
[08:25] <Burgundavia> just thinking about layout and amount of verbage
[08:25] <Burgundavia> nothing concrete because of my above concerns
[08:25] <newz2000> Well, there will be *much* less content on the homepage
[08:25] <Burgundavia> exactly what I am also aiming for
[08:25] <newz2000> A lot of the content on the site is from the early days where they had to pad the site in order to give it some substance.
[08:26] <newz2000> That will be changing in the weeks leading up to edgy.
[08:27] <newz2000> My idea, and probably the area where we (you and I and others like us) have the most opportunity to contribute,
[08:27] <newz2000> is likely what you discussed with Rich. There will be portal pages targeting specific types of users, i.e. education.
[08:27] <Burgundavia> yes, rich and I discussed that
[08:28] <newz2000> These will be a "landing page" where people who fit a particular area of focus can find everything they need.
[08:28] <Burgundavia> back in a flash
[08:28] <newz2000> ok
[08:33] <nixternal> hiya newz2000!
[08:33] <nixternal> keeping you busy i see ;)
[08:34] <newz2000> nixternal: howdy!
[08:34] <newz2000> I'm keeping busy. Coding in moin this week.
[08:35] <nixternal> fun
[08:35] <newz2000> I assume you've got all the fun you can handle too?
[08:35] <nixternal> you got that right
[08:35] <nixternal> i need to start hacking around on the Drupal page for Chicago again
[08:36] <newz2000> I'm going to try out drupal soon, not this weekend, maybe next though.
[08:36] <nixternal> i have been hacking around with my blog a little bit...trying out some new stuff...the documentation killed me this go round
[08:36] <nixternal> drupal, truthfully...doesn't do it for me
[08:36] <newz2000> what are you hoping to do?
[08:36] <nixternal> i only used it because of a recommendation, and hte theme hack was easy ;)
[08:37] <nixternal> im going to leave the content the same with the site, i just want to get more involvement from the group on the site somehow..and the current controls limit that really
[08:37] <nixternal> the current admin settings with drupal, are either not enough, or to much
[08:38] <newz2000> Ah. I'm actually haveing the same problem with moin
[08:38] <nixternal> oh ya..we setup moinmoin at school this week
[08:38] <nixternal> my god, i realized how much i don't know python ;)
[08:38] <newz2000> yeah, its a shock switching between php and python They're soo different.
[08:39] <nixternal> i don't think i will ever do another moin install..it isn't fun doing it either...usually you install someting and get the initial visual, it is great..you don't get that with moin
[08:39] <nixternal> i cussed it for 4 hours, to the point if i didn't go to church afterwards, god would have struck me down right then and there ;)
[08:39] <newz2000> :-D
[08:39] <newz2000> Yeah, you can ask the other canonical people how I feel about it.
[08:40] <newz2000> However, when I'm done with it, moin will be good I think.
[08:41] <newz2000> What do you mean by "school?" Do you work at a school?
[08:41] <nixternal> well..i know from the work i have seen, it will rock
[08:41] <nixternal> I stopped working, and started college again full time ;)
[08:41] <newz2000> Where at?
[08:41] <nixternal> i need to finish my masters, and im working towards a coding degree at a local college
[08:42] <nixternal> Kellog, which is part of Northwestern Illinois University for my MBA...and College of DuPage for the programming stuff...but it was at CoD where we were doing the moin stuff messing around
[08:42] <newz2000> Brave guy.
[08:43] <newz2000> I actually had planned on doing something similar.
[08:43] <nixternal> so i am kind of doing the double major thing here...business for my masters, and computers for another associates..the computer course emphasizes c++ and unix programming though
[08:43] <nixternal> well, i have a GI Bill that helps me
[08:43] <nixternal> and the Illinois Veterans grant
[08:43] <nixternal> so i don't pay for school..it is free, and i get $1000 a month to live off of fromt he GI Bill
[08:44] <newz2000> That GI bill is a good deal
[08:44] <nixternal> so at 32, i moved back in with mommy and daddy until i get this done..otherwise my college benefits would have gone to waste
[08:44] <nixternal> no way i can work and do the school stuff full time
[08:44] <newz2000> I actually enrolled at Moody downtime Chicago. However life happened, so its on hold indefinately.
[08:45] <nixternal> i just singed up for 5 more credit hours starting next week, so that is 20 a week
[08:45] <nixternal> Moody is good stuff
[08:45] <nixternal> some of the guys in the Chicago LUG talk about Moody
[08:45] <nixternal> they are all IIT or Chicago Institute of Design
[08:45] <newz2000> Its considered one of the top 3 bible colleges in the US.
[08:46] <nixternal> ya it is good stuff..we get soem of the students at our church every now and then to minister
[08:49] <newz2000> Sharp looking blog.
[08:49] <newz2000> Are you having a problem with your tabs?
[08:49] <nixternal> are you looking at the old blog?
[08:49] <nixternal> the comcast one
[08:49] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/blog
[08:49] <nixternal> that is the new one im working on
[08:50] <newz2000> yeah, I'm looking at comcast
[08:50] <nixternal> ya, the tabs, i know how to fix, but im not wasting my time with the comcast one now
[08:50] <newz2000> I'm getting the impression that you're a KDE fan
[08:50] <nixternal> hehe
[08:50] <nixternal> for over 10 years
[08:50] <newz2000> Wow, that has to be since about the beginning
[08:51] <nixternal> v1 ;)
[08:51] <nixternal> actually back then, i thought i was an elite hacker, so i was all about the black and green afterstep truthfully
[08:51] <nixternal> ;)
[08:53] <newz2000> 1996... I was probably still using fvwm2
[08:54] <newz2000> Seems there was a version called fvwm95... maybe that's what I was using.
[08:55] <nixternal> ahhh ya...fvwm was good stuff...blackbox, icevm? i can't remember, afterstep, litestep, the first enlightenment, cde *eww,
[08:55] <nixternal> there were a ton of window managers back then
[08:55] <newz2000> Yeah, we used cde at Iowa State so I wanted it on my desktop, but couldn't come up with the cash.
[08:55] <newz2000> It was called motif then actually.
[08:56] <nixternal> yup
[08:56] <nixternal> haha
[08:57] <nixternal> i hated taht stupid clock, and the rising widgets they had back then
[08:57] <nixternal> actually...CDE is still the same to this day..if you fire up solaris 10, and use CDE, you can't tell the difference
[08:57] <newz2000> I was used to terminals so I didn't care.
[08:57] <nixternal> but I noticed on OpenSolaris, they are using a Java GNOME clone it looks like..it is really bad
[08:57] <newz2000> I just used it to open multiple terminal windows
[08:58] <nixternal> tty1-100
[08:58] <nixternal> and eveyrone would be screened
[08:58] <nixternal> 10 rather
[08:58] <nixternal> i couldn't imagine controlling 100 tty sessions
[08:58] <newz2000> Alt+Tab would take for ever. ;)
[08:59] <nixternal> haha yes
[09:14] <mdke> newz2000: got a mo?
[09:18] <newz2000> mdke: I'm here, what's up?
[09:19] <mdke> newz2000: are you still handling loco servers?
[09:19] <newz2000> yes
[09:20] <mdke> newz2000: ok, I'll query you then :)