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| Laifen | Bonjour tous :o) | 07:24 |
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| Seveas | Laifen, could you please not do automated on-join messages in here | 09:38 |
| Laifen | ? | 09:38 |
| Fujitsu | Laifen, every time you join, you send a message to here. | 09:39 |
| Laifen | and ? | 09:39 |
| Seveas | which is annoying | 09:39 |
| Seveas | so don't | 09:39 |
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| Laifen | Bon aprs midi tous a++ | 12:16 |
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| stgraber | @schedule Zurich | 05:09 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 29 Sep 18:00: Ubuntu Desktop Effects Team | 03 Oct 19:00: Community Council | 04 Oct 14:00: Edubuntu | 05 Oct 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Oct 22:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 05:09 |
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| gnomefreak | @schedule new_york | 05:29 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/New_York: 29 Sep 12:00: Ubuntu Desktop Effects Team | 03 Oct 13:00: Community Council | 04 Oct 08:00: Edubuntu | 05 Oct 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Oct 16:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 16:00: Edubuntu | 05:29 |
| rodarvus | @schedule Sao_Paulo | 05:37 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 29 Sep 13:00: Ubuntu Desktop Effects Team | 03 Oct 14:00: Community Council | 04 Oct 09:00: Edubuntu | 05 Oct 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Oct 17:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 17:00: Edubuntu | 05:37 |
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| DBO2 | hey guys | 05:46 |
| gnomefreak | good morning | 05:47 |
| DBO2 | im going to be using this name and IP, Im not at home or work | 05:47 |
| DBO2 | kinda stopped off at a friends to make this | 05:47 |
| gnomefreak | ok | 05:47 |
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| DBO2 | how many we got so far gnomefreak? | 05:48 |
| gnomefreak | anyone here from the desktop-effects-team? | 05:48 |
| gnomefreak | DBO2: i havent seen anyone | 05:49 |
| DBO2 | ok | 05:50 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Ubuntu Desktop Effects Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 03 Oct 17:00 UTC: Community Council | 04 Oct 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 05 Oct 07:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Oct 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 11 Oct 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | ||
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| DBO2 | hey Camus_SoNiCo =) | 05:51 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | hey | 05:52 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | :d | 05:52 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | Hello, everybody | 05:52 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | arrived onn time? | 05:52 |
| DBO2 | eh we are still waiting | 05:52 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | great then | 05:53 |
| DBO2 | gnomefreak, has the meeting been pimped in -xgl? | 05:54 |
| gnomefreak | i just said meeting in 15 minutes 15 minutes ago | 05:54 |
| DBO2 | ok, pimp it again =) | 05:55 |
| gnomefreak | pimped | 05:55 |
| gnomefreak | i cant find this persons issue :( | 05:56 |
| stgraber | hi | 05:56 |
| gnomefreak | hi stgraber | 05:56 |
| === Hawkwind Waves | ||
| gnomefreak | hi Hawkwind | 05:56 |
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| Hawkwind | gnomefreak: Mornin :) | 05:57 |
| gnomefreak | DBO2: give it a bit longer? | 05:57 |
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| gnomefreak | hi iXce | 05:57 |
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| iXce | hi | 05:57 |
| gnomefreak | hi Quinn_Storm | 05:57 |
| gnomefreak | hi lupine_85 | 05:57 |
| Quinn_Storm | hi | 05:57 |
| lupine_85 | hi :) | 05:57 |
| DBO2 | gnomefreak, I went a pimped some other channels =P | 05:57 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 05:57 |
| === lupine_85 is never late | ||
| gnomefreak | ok brb gonna run outside for a minute | 05:58 |
| gnomefreak | lupine_85: your late | 05:58 |
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| gnomefreak | :) | 05:58 |
| lupine_85 | not according to my clock ;) | 05:58 |
| lupine_85 | 14:58 | 05:58 |
| lupine_85 | erm, 16:58 | 05:58 |
| DBO2 | yeah people still got some time | 05:58 |
| stgraber | also :58 here :) | 05:58 |
| lupine_85 | ntp++ | 05:58 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | 12:58 here, GMT-3 :P | 05:58 |
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| Quinn_Storm | :52 here...I must have weird ntp servers | 05:59 |
| lupine_85 | BST here, I think... despite it being freezing september | 05:59 |
| iXce | :59 here | 05:59 |
| lupine_85 | ooh the suspense | 05:59 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | hehehheh | 06:00 |
| DBO2 | ok ladies and gents, shall we begin? despite our team of atomic powered super men not being present | 06:01 |
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| Camus_SoNiCo | before we start, are the "results" of the current meeting gonna be placed somewhere? so anyone can read them | 06:01 |
| DBO2 | yes | 06:02 |
| stgraber | There is a page in the wiki | 06:02 |
| DBO2 | this channel is logged | 06:02 |
| gnomefreak | this channel is logged | 06:02 |
| DBO2 | i win | 06:02 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 06:02 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | ok, great | 06:02 |
| givre | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ ;) | 06:02 |
| === gnomefreak is JOhn Vivirito | ||
| === Camus_SoNiCo is Camus SoNiCo :P | ||
| DBO2 | ok, first off, who all do we have here that is a member of the team that is NOT a beryl dev? | 06:03 |
| gnomefreak | lol | 06:03 |
| gnomefreak | yeah me | 06:03 |
| DBO2 | gnomefreak, I think we need to beat them... | 06:04 |
| gnomefreak | is joel here? | 06:04 |
| lupine_85 | me :) | 06:04 |
| stgraber | me :) | 06:04 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | me too, but i'm willing to develop | 06:04 |
| gnomefreak | rouben here? | 06:04 |
| lupine_85 | (well, I'm downloading beryl-plugins source right now) | 06:04 |
| gnomefreak | henrickomma here? | 06:04 |
| DBO2 | Camus_SoNiCo, ok we will get to that | 06:05 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | Ok | 06:05 |
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| gnomefreak | who is a beryl devel other than Quinn_Storm and DBO2 | 06:05 |
| DBO2 | im not devel | 06:05 |
| cyberorg | <- sort of | 06:05 |
| gnomefreak | DBO2: your working on themes arnt you? | 06:05 |
| DBO2 | but the team thats here is iXce, Quinn_Storm and cyberorg is a packager | 06:06 |
| gnomefreak | ah ok | 06:06 |
| DBO2 | iXce is perhaps one of the most important members of beryl (IMHO) next to Quinn_Storm | 06:06 |
| gnomefreak | ok other than dev. who here helps in #ubuntu-xgl (other than DBO2) | 06:06 |
| DBO2 | lupine_85 is a big help | 06:07 |
| DBO2 | hes there a lot | 06:07 |
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| lupine_85 | am I? | 06:07 |
| gnomefreak | we are in need of people helping in there | 06:07 |
| gnomefreak | lupine_85: yes | 06:07 |
| lupine_85 | cor | 06:07 |
| DBO2 | lifeless, here for the desktop effects meeting? | 06:07 |
| gnomefreak | it seems so | 06:07 |
| DBO2 | gnomefreak, ok lets get some structure going =) | 06:07 |
| DBO2 | First order of business is the wiki pages | 06:07 |
| DBO2 | those need an entire overhaul | 06:08 |
| DBO2 | beryl 0.1 has been pre-released | 06:08 |
| DBO2 | and the wiki needs to reflect that as well as how to install compiz-git | 06:08 |
| gnomefreak | myself and DBO2 have been starting on them but we are gonna have alot of pages hopfully all linked but need people willing to help on them | 06:09 |
| DBO2 | I have some experience writing these walkthroughs | 06:09 |
| gnomefreak | DBO2: is there a main beryl repo? other than amaroths? | 06:09 |
| iXce | gnomefreak : official one :o) | 06:09 |
| DBO2 | so if there are no objections, I would like to head up the wiki project | 06:09 |
| gnomefreak | iXce: there is? | 06:10 |
| DBO2 | gnomefreak, yes just today | 06:10 |
| gnomefreak | ok good | 06:10 |
| lupine_85 | amaranth is closing his repo once the beryl official one gets up | 06:10 |
| Quinn_Storm | the same repos that used to cover compiz-quinn | 06:10 |
| gnomefreak | lets use that for the wikis than | 06:10 |
| DBO2 | yeah | 06:10 |
| DBO2 | we will also need a wiki for switching to beryl from compiz | 06:10 |
| DBO2 | which will be fairly easy | 06:11 |
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| gnomefreak | is this going to be in universe.multiverse at all for edgy or edgy+!? | 06:11 |
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| DBO2 | thats the hope | 06:11 |
| iXce | edgy+1 i think, it sounds pretty impossible to get it into edgy, but edgy would be great :) | 06:11 |
| DBO2 | I am hoping to work the MOTU on this | 06:11 |
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| gnomefreak | iXce: its pretty late for edgy | 06:12 |
| lupine_85 | are we going to have transitional packages for compiz-quinn -> beryl? | 06:12 |
| gnomefreak | universe freeze started yesterday | 06:12 |
| DBO2 | and I know Quinn_Storm is going to Mountain View, which means that we have a good shot at it | 06:12 |
| shawarma | gnomefreak: UVF was yesterday. | 06:12 |
| cyberorg | I guess as beryl and compiz can coexist, beryl-manager can become common tool for switching to and from beryl | 06:12 |
| Quinn_Storm | edgy+1 is a sensible goal, not edgy | 06:12 |
| DBO2 | for edgy+1 that is | 06:12 |
| DBO2 | cyberorg, I agree with that | 06:12 |
| DBO2 | Quinn_Storm, I know you dont want to | 06:12 |
| DBO2 | but it really is my opinion that beryl-manager should support compiz-git | 06:13 |
| cyberorg | makes helping users easier - just tell them to use beryl manager | 06:13 |
| Quinn_Storm | well if you guys want, we can work that in | 06:13 |
| Quinn_Storm | but...it'll just be supported like any other WM is | 06:13 |
| DBO2 | thats fine | 06:13 |
| Quinn_Storm | unless you guys want to take a crack at it | 06:13 |
| cyberorg | thats all is needed | 06:14 |
| gnomefreak | so to use compiz you install beryl-manager? | 06:14 |
| cyberorg | i can look into it | 06:14 |
| DBO2 | gnomefreak, no its just an option | 06:14 |
| gnomefreak | oh ok | 06:14 |
| DBO2 | and it adds consistancy to how they are launched | 06:14 |
| gnomefreak | ok that sounds good than | 06:14 |
| Quinn_Storm | yeah, beryl-manager is fairly extensible | 06:15 |
| DBO2 | makes walkthroughs easier too | 06:15 |
| DBO2 | ok so that covers with wiki and that segway | 06:15 |
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| gnomefreak | Quinn_Storm: are your repos gonna be used for compiz/xgl? | 06:15 |
| Quinn_Storm | for now | 06:15 |
| gnomefreak | lupine_85: how about a login option? | 06:15 |
| Quinn_Storm | wait | 06:15 |
| cyberorg | lupine_85: put that on bugtracker | 06:15 |
| Quinn_Storm | compiz? | 06:15 |
| Quinn_Storm | I guess if someone wants to compile compiz-git pkgs | 06:16 |
| DBO2 | Quinn_Storm, he wants to know if you will have compiz-git? | 06:16 |
| DBO2 | we can get a packager for that | 06:16 |
| Quinn_Storm | well I won't personally handle it but yeah we can package it | 06:16 |
| DBO2 | would you be willing to add it in? | 06:16 |
| gnomefreak | Quinn_Storm: in other words are people only gonna be able to use the compiz in repos? | 06:16 |
| Quinn_Storm | gnomefreak: we'll package compiz-git, I just won't be doing it myself | 06:16 |
| DBO2 | ok thats good | 06:17 |
| DBO2 | I will begin searching for someone to do packaging | 06:17 |
| iXce | reggaemanu? | 06:17 |
| DBO2 | perhaps | 06:17 |
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| gnomefreak | lol speaking of | 06:17 |
| DBO2 | speak of the turkey =) | 06:18 |
| gnomefreak | ok can we get the repos on the ML when ready to be used for either/both | 06:18 |
| DBO2 | the repo is the same as the old compiz repo | 06:19 |
| gnomefreak | that way we can build the wiki's around them | 06:19 |
| DBO2 | xgl.compiz.info I believe | 06:19 |
| reggaemanu | hi | 06:19 |
| Quinn_Storm | well as you know we're already ready w/ beryl | 06:19 |
| Quinn_Storm | I pushed 0.1.0 packages thismorning | 06:19 |
| Quinn_Storm | and nigel pushed amd64 edgy pkgs | 06:19 |
| gnomefreak | Quinn_Storm: ah | 06:19 |
| iXce | http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org | 06:19 |
| DBO2 | do we have someone doing 64 dapper? | 06:19 |
| lupine_85 | Quinn_Storm: I'm still mirroring that as compiz-mirror. Should I change my beryl-mirror. over to it instead? | 06:20 |
| reggaemanu | DBO, we should use beryl-project.org no compiz.info ;) but the repo is the same yeah | 06:20 |
| reggaemanu | oops, it was for DBO2 :p | 06:20 |
| lupine_85 | actually, I should point them both to the same one... | 06:20 |
| DBO2 | reggaemanu, yeah sorry about the name, not on my normal PC | 06:20 |
| lupine_85 | that we we update all the old compiz users, and all the ones using the unofficial repo as well | 06:20 |
| DBO2 | lupine_85, thats not a bad idea | 06:21 |
| lupine_85 | it's running now | 06:21 |
| gnomefreak | beryl = edgy and up only right? | 06:21 |
| DBO2 | no | 06:21 |
| DBO2 | it runs on dapper too | 06:21 |
| Quinn_Storm | no it was backported to dapper w/ the same stuff as compiz | 06:21 |
| gnomefreak | ok | 06:21 |
| DBO2 | mostly just libxcomposite | 06:21 |
| Quinn_Storm | yeah | 06:21 |
| DBO2 | those backports should stay in place please =) | 06:22 |
| DBO2 | ok, to recap gnomefreak | 06:22 |
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| DBO2 | we need packagers for compiz-get, beryl 64bit dapper, beryl 32 edgy-dapper | 06:22 |
| DBO2 | we want to remove the packaging duty from quinn all together | 06:23 |
| DBO2 | so she is free to develop | 06:23 |
| gnomefreak | ok i like that | 06:23 |
| DBO2 | nigel_c is already taking care of 64bit edgy | 06:23 |
| DBO2 | and once edgy is released we can stop packaging dapper | 06:23 |
| reggaemanu | i can do it for compiz-git and beryl 32 | 06:23 |
| DBO2 | edgy or dapper? | 06:23 |
| reggaemanu | (edgy) | 06:23 |
| gnomefreak | k | 06:24 |
| DBO2 | gnomefreak, can you take notes, I am not able to where I am | 06:24 |
| reggaemanu | dapper too with a pbuilder but since i can't test it that's useless | 06:24 |
| gnomefreak | yeah give me a sec | 06:24 |
| lupine_85 | I have 32 and 64 edgy | 06:24 |
| === Quinn_Storm pbuilders dapper too anyway | ||
| DBO2 | yeah but you are stopping that =P | 06:25 |
| xopher | I could do beryl 64bit dapper I guess | 06:25 |
| lupine_85 | I meant for packaging official: [17:22] <DBO2> we need packagers for compiz-get, beryl 64bit dapper, beryl 32 edgy-dapper | 06:25 |
| gnomefreak | DBO2: what is nigel_c packaging for 64bit? | 06:25 |
| DBO2 | gnomefreak, beryl edgy | 06:25 |
| gnomefreak | k | 06:26 |
| lupine_85 | unofficial beryl-mirror is now pointing to official beryl. unofficial beryl-64 is gone. | 06:26 |
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| gnomefreak | so reggaemanu and nigel are the only packagers we have for this so far? | 06:27 |
| DBO2 | officially yes | 06:27 |
| DBO2 | we want to replace quinn | 06:27 |
| DBO2 | we can see if Amaranth wants the job | 06:28 |
| iXce | ahem | 06:28 |
| DBO2 | he was already packaging | 06:28 |
| reggaemanu | we need someone else for dapper | 06:28 |
| DBO2 | iXce, did we miss you? | 06:28 |
| iXce | what's the problem with quinn doing some packages? | 06:28 |
| DBO2 | iXce, she shouldnt have to | 06:28 |
| DBO2 | it takes time that she can better spend elsewhere | 06:28 |
| iXce | yeah | 06:28 |
| iXce | that's right :) | 06:29 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | let her to some magic :P | 06:29 |
| DBO2 | her time is far too valuable to have her packaging | 06:29 |
| iXce | and maybe should svn be less distro-specific | 06:29 |
| DBO2 | thats really up to the dev team | 06:30 |
| DBO2 | but you will find no qualms here | 06:30 |
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| iXce | bbl | 06:30 |
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| gnomefreak | ok so far i have " 2 packagers listed" and notes for taking Quinn_Storm off packaging and see if amarath wants it. | 06:30 |
| gnomefreak | and we need some more | 06:30 |
| lupine_85 | Amaranth will be continuing with the l-r-m stuff, IIRC - I think I'm lending her an ssh session to do the compilation and upload whenever necessay | 06:31 |
| lupine_85 | erm, him" | 06:32 |
| stgraber | I'm interested but I just don't know how to do so :), so if someone explain me what to do and how (I also have 2-3 howtos in my bookmarks), I can help with packaging | 06:32 |
| DBO2 | gnomefreak, note down that we may hit up Amaranth for info | 06:32 |
| gnomefreak | info on what? | 06:32 |
| DBO2 | packaging | 06:33 |
| gnomefreak | noted | 06:33 |
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| gnomefreak | wecome Xnix | 06:33 |
| DBO2 | ok next | 06:33 |
| gnomefreak | welcome even | 06:33 |
| Xnix | howdy | 06:33 |
| DBO2 | as far as bug reports go | 06:33 |
| DBO2 | all team member should be made aware of the bug tracker | 06:34 |
| gnomefreak | DBO2: got a handy link? | 06:34 |
| DBO2 | bugs.beryl-project.org | 06:34 |
| === lupine_85 bookmarks | ||
| DBO2 | on a related note I think team members should be subscribed to the svn commit emails | 06:35 |
| gnomefreak | agreed | 06:35 |
| Xnix | how do we get on those? | 06:35 |
| Xnix | i keep up with it, but didnt know there was email | 06:35 |
| gnomefreak | DBO2: are we using LP for beryl buggs? | 06:35 |
| Quinn_Storm | we're in the process of fixing that | 06:36 |
| gnomefreak | k | 06:36 |
| DBO2 | gnomefreak, yes and no | 06:36 |
| gnomefreak | DBO2: we can get together later about that | 06:36 |
| DBO2 | gnomefreak, anything that is not in ubuntu repos should not go in launchpad I dont think... | 06:36 |
| reggaemanu | the login still don't work | 06:36 |
| DBO2 | we will have to talk on that later | 06:36 |
| gnomefreak | DBO2: agreed | 06:36 |
| gnomefreak | brb phone | 06:36 |
| DBO2 | Quinn_Storm, is there any chance beryl might end up on launchpad itself? | 06:37 |
| Quinn_Storm | Generally...probably not...I hate their interface | 06:37 |
| reggaemanu | anyway, what is in ubuntu repos isn't package like it should, some patchs missed for xgl -_- | 06:37 |
| DBO2 | Quinn_Storm, ok | 06:37 |
| reggaemanu | gnome-session need some patch too | 06:37 |
| mjg59 | reggaemanu: The package in the Ubuntu repos works fine with the X server we ship | 06:38 |
| DBO2 | reggaemanu, have bugs been submitted to launchpad? | 06:38 |
| DBO2 | mjg59, what about the gnome-session issue | 06:38 |
| reggaemanu | mjg59, the java patch is missing, so java app can't work on compiz git or beryl | 06:38 |
| mjg59 | reggaemanu: Patch in launchpad plskthxbi | 06:39 |
| reggaemanu | and there is no possibility to disable the grabscreen in gnome-session so it doesn't work with aiglx or nvidia beta driver | 06:39 |
| reggaemanu | so you cant say that it works with the x server you ship :p | 06:39 |
| mjg59 | I've used it extensively with the X server we ship | 06:39 |
| DBO2 | are you using xgl or aiglx? | 06:39 |
| mjg59 | aiglx | 06:39 |
| mjg59 | That is, the X server we ship | 06:39 |
| iXce | reggaemanu : yeah we know, we're wroking on that with coling right now | 06:39 |
| DBO2 | iXce, ok thats fine then | 06:40 |
| DBO2 | Camus_SoNiCo, you wanted to know how you could help | 06:40 |
| reggaemanu | mjg59, and you are able to logout with aiglx and the official gnome-session package? | 06:40 |
| reggaemanu | that's impossible, the grab break the logout dialog | 06:40 |
| mjg59 | reggaemanu: Please. File. A. Bug. | 06:40 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | yes, but first i'd like to cover Xgl vs AIGLX, not sure about diffs | 06:41 |
| iXce | mjg59 : we already did | 06:41 |
| reggaemanu | everybody is aware of that since around 6 month... | 06:41 |
| Xnix | reggaemanu i can log out sometimes, usuing unpatched gnome-session with beryl | 06:41 |
| Xnix | in Xgl | 06:41 |
| DBO2 | Xnix, thats xgl | 06:41 |
| DBO2 | doesnt have the issue | 06:41 |
| reggaemanu | Xnix, it's ok in xgl, i'm talking about aiglx... | 06:41 |
| Xnix | ahh ok | 06:41 |
| mjg59 | Oh, that's interesting | 06:41 |
| DBO2 | its on aiglx and nvidia beta drivers that have the issue | 06:41 |
| mjg59 | Why don't I get compiz bugs? | 06:41 |
| reggaemanu | (adn it is the same with the new nvidia drivers now) | 06:41 |
| lupine_85 | logout works here (edgy+nvidia beta) | 06:41 |
| reggaemanu | s/adn/and | 06:41 |
| mjg59 | I used to | 06:42 |
| lupine_85 | erm, but KDE | 06:42 |
| iXce | but it's not a high priority bug since there's no compositing manager included by default | 06:42 |
| iXce | and it's a gnome-session bug | 06:42 |
| reggaemanu | lupine_85, we are talking about gnome-session so if you use KDE... ^^ | 06:42 |
| lupine_85 | yep - noticed that after $13$10 | 06:42 |
| lupine_85 | ;) | 06:42 |
| DBO2 | ok, so bug has been filed, its out of our hands for now | 06:43 |
| reggaemanu | libwnck need some patch too, i must repackage it every time there is an update in the official repo, that's boring | 06:43 |
| === Camus_SoNiCo wants to know de diff between Xgl and AIGLX | ||
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| DBO2 | Camus_SoNiCo, different arch, while Xgl runs on top of Xorg, AIGLX is part of Xorg | 06:43 |
| DBO2 | both however provide a means to get TFP | 06:43 |
| DBO2 | (amoung other things) | 06:44 |
| gnomefreak | ok sorry about htat | 06:44 |
| givre | mjg59: https://launchpad.net/bugs/24221 https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/59244 | 06:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 24221 in gnome-session "GNOME logout screen doesn't appear when the composite is enabled" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] | 06:44 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | DBO2, thanks | 06:44 |
| DBO2 | the primary difference is aiglx allows for direct rendering Camus_SoNiCo | 06:44 |
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| Camus_SoNiCo | ah, great for games ;) | 06:44 |
| DBO2 | and videa | 06:44 |
| DBO2 | video | 06:44 |
| mjg59 | givre: Thanks | 06:45 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | DBO2, i should switch then :P | 06:45 |
| DBO2 | Camus_SoNiCo, there are video card support issues | 06:45 |
| stgraber | If the driver can work with AIGLX ... | 06:45 |
| DBO2 | guys | 06:45 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | DBO2, it has issues with nvidia? | 06:45 |
| DBO2 | I got to run | 06:45 |
| DBO2 | Camus_SoNiCo, yes | 06:46 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | ups :S | 06:46 |
| gnomefreak | i have seen a few compiz/xgl bugs on LP recently. not sure if reported than or traiged than | 06:46 |
| DBO2 | gnomefreak, can you handle it from here? =) | 06:46 |
| gnomefreak | DBO2: where are we? | 06:46 |
| DBO2 | gnomefreak, the differences between Xgl/AIGLX/compiz/beryl | 06:46 |
| reggaemanu | the patchs to make libwnck compiz/beryl aware should really go to official ubuntu repo | 06:47 |
| DBO2 | ill be back later tonight gnomefreak | 06:47 |
| === lupine_85 knows what he would like to see in the (any) repos... http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=46021 : kicker-compiz | ||
| gnomefreak | ok but shouldnt that have been with JoelStanley here? | 06:47 |
| gnomefreak | DBO2: ok go for it | 06:47 |
| gnomefreak | i +1 lupine_85 idea if it is possible to add it in | 06:48 |
| mjg59 | Oh | 06:48 |
| mjg59 | No, we're not going to be including that gnome-session patch | 06:48 |
| mjg59 | It's mad | 06:48 |
| mjg59 | There has to be a better way to fix that | 06:49 |
| reggaemanu | mjg59, that's just a workaround yeah, anyway others distrib just disable the grab for everybody | 06:49 |
| lupine_85 | it doesn't deal with normal KDE desktops properly, so I think it's not appropriate for official ubuntu | 06:49 |
| mjg59 | reggaemanu: That would be one solution, yes. It would be preferable to find another one. | 06:49 |
| reggaemanu | mjg59, make the grab a gconf option by example ;) | 06:49 |
| mjg59 | reggaemanu: Let's just make it work... | 06:49 |
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| lupine_85 | won't work for default dapper, though - kde 3.5.2 | 06:50 |
| lupine_85 | it#'s 3.5.4 I think | 06:50 |
| iXce | wow Matthew Garett is here :) | 06:50 |
| gnomefreak | iXce: he is | 06:50 |
| reggaemanu | :) | 06:50 |
| iXce | that's great :) | 06:50 |
| mjg59 | The bug could do with a better description of what the problem actually is | 06:51 |
| gnomefreak | is gconf still in compiz in ubuntu repos? | 06:51 |
| mjg59 | Yes | 06:51 |
| gnomefreak | k | 06:51 |
| reggaemanu | gnomefreak, yeah | 06:51 |
| reggaemanu | that's the last release before it has been removed | 06:51 |
| gnomefreak | would it be any benifit to just leave the compiz to ubuntus repos instead of opening Quinn_Storm's for it? | 06:52 |
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| Quinn_Storm | gnomefreak: well, compiz-git is still such a moving target...and besides, for ubuntu, we're trying to move toward Beryl (at least that's the opinion I got from Mark) | 06:53 |
| mjg59 | As Seb points out in that bug, setting LTSP_CLIENT will do what you want to do here in any csae | 06:53 |
| iXce | Quinn_Storm : even though beryl is full of "dirty" code and "hackish" workarounds? ^^ | 06:53 |
| lupine_85 | hehe | 06:54 |
| iXce | mjg59 : any hint on how to activate that LTSP thing please? | 06:54 |
| lupine_85 | it will be if I start on it! | 06:54 |
| reggaemanu | ^^ | 06:54 |
| gnomefreak | iXce: im sure cleaning up would be a requirment befor eubuntu takes it | 06:54 |
| mjg59 | iXce: Just make sure that LTSP_CLIENT is set in your environment | 06:54 |
| mjg59 | Putting it in .gnomerc should do | 06:54 |
| iXce | and if i've got no .gnomerc? | 06:54 |
| mjg59 | iXce: Create one? :) | 06:54 |
| lupine_85 | .bashrc? .xsession ? | 06:54 |
| mjg59 | I believe it's used by default | 06:54 |
| gnomefreak | compiz will have to stay around for a while anyway | 06:54 |
| iXce | mjg59 : great idea :p | 06:55 |
| iXce | gnomefreak : that's already one of the main goals of beryl | 06:55 |
| mjg59 | In the end, it's likely that we'll go with whichever solution works best | 06:55 |
| iXce | documentation, debugging, code cleanup, usability ^^ | 06:55 |
| Xnix | iXce what do you mean? | 06:55 |
| reggaemanu | so that's pretty like the hackish gandalfn patch, we have to put a line in .gnomerc | 06:55 |
| Xnix | iXce ahh k | 06:55 |
| mjg59 | That's not really going to be a decision we make before part-way through the Edgy+1 cycle | 06:56 |
| mjg59 | Mark's quite clearly keen on whatever gives us the most bling possible, but we'll see what's most effective for our users by then | 06:56 |
| mjg59 | Bling's not going to come at the expense of reliability | 06:56 |
| gnomefreak | if we add beryl to ubuntu repos in future is it possible to get a login option in gdm/kdm/xdm? | 06:57 |
| Quinn_Storm | what he seems to like is the community aspect...he's not big on davidr's development model | 06:57 |
| iXce | mjg59 : i fully agree with that :) | 06:57 |
| reggaemanu | gnomefreak, that should be possible | 06:57 |
| gnomefreak | reggaemanu: that way people without much hacking can log in and out | 06:58 |
| reggaemanu | gnomefreak, we can also update gnome-wm to prefer beryl if composite is available and use metacity if not | 06:58 |
| gnomefreak | k | 06:58 |
| reggaemanu | that's what i use currently, and that's what it is done on suse | 06:58 |
| mjg59 | So why doesn't gnome-session just check whether the compositing manager selection atom is set? | 06:58 |
| mjg59 | That would seem the sensible thing to do | 06:59 |
| iXce | +1 | 06:59 |
| gnomefreak | i agree also | 06:59 |
| reggaemanu | mjg59, on suse gnome-session is patched for that | 06:59 |
| mjg59 | reggaemanu: Ok. Can you point me at the patch? | 06:59 |
| reggaemanu | it checks for the tfp extension | 06:59 |
| reggaemanu | mjg59, yeah, 2 seconds | 06:59 |
| mjg59 | reggaemanu: Thanks | 06:59 |
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| mjg59 | I'd rather have functionality depend on what's running, rather than a user-set environment variable | 06:59 |
| === Camus_SoNiCo will leave soon and wants to know how to help on development | ||
| iXce | that's much more sensible :) | 07:00 |
| Xnix | yes | 07:00 |
| reggaemanu | i don't find where it was, i will jst upload them somewhere | 07:00 |
| gnomefreak | Camus_SoNiCo: i can get up with dbo and others and get a mail out to the ML on how to contribute/develop and who to talk to about it if people are willing to help | 07:01 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | gnomefreak, that will do for me but i think we should have wiki pages also | 07:02 |
| gnomefreak | Camus_SoNiCo: even motu can help you with packaging if that is what you really want help with | 07:02 |
| gnomefreak | Camus_SoNiCo: we will | 07:02 |
| iXce | hmm | 07:02 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 07:02 |
| mjg59 | By the way: | 07:02 |
| gnomefreak | Camus_SoNiCo: alot of wiki's will be poping up | 07:02 |
| iXce | is there a skilled web designer/programmer willing to help with beryl page? | 07:02 |
| mjg59 | I'm not ideally suited to deal with bugs in compiz/beryl themselves | 07:03 |
| mjg59 | But | 07:03 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | gnomefreak, great then | 07:03 |
| Xnix | wiki sounds good Camus_SoNiCo | 07:03 |
| Xnix | gnomefreak awesome (abouth the wikis) | 07:03 |
| mjg59 | If people have issues with the integration of these packages with other packages in main, feel free to talk to me | 07:03 |
| lupine_85 | one question - currently the unofficial beryl thread (in Edgy) is full of <random-hack-to-get-beryl-working-with-whatever>... is there any sane way to get some of them dealt with automagically? | 07:03 |
| mjg59 | Like this gnome-session issue, for example | 07:03 |
| mjg59 | Oh, yeah, while I'm at it | 07:03 |
| lupine_85 | e.g. in #ubuntu-xgl ust now, someone missed out enabling the composite extension | 07:03 |
| reggaemanu | mjg59, here are all the patchs related to compiz/xgl they use, and the .src.rpm for gnome-session if you want to see the specs http://www.compiz.info/.gnome-session/ | 07:04 |
| Camus_SoNiCo | Xnix, i think wikis can attract "isolated" devs... | 07:04 |
| Xnix | yeah | 07:04 |
| mjg59 | reggaemanu: Ok, they don't seem to be doing this the way I want to do it | 07:05 |
| mjg59 | Give me a minute and I'll test | 07:05 |
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| mjg59 | Does the new nvidia stuff need --strict-binding? | 07:05 |
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| lupine_85 | mjg59: where would I check that? I've never *Set* it... | 07:06 |
| gnomefreak | lupine_85: i dont know but if so soon is good (i have added a crap load of stuff to xorg.conf to get it working | 07:06 |
| iXce | oh yeah, about packaging, aceracer24 was ok to deal with amd64 packages | 07:06 |
| reggaemanu | mjg59, no that work with or without --strict-binding | 07:06 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 07:07 |
| mjg59 | So why does --indirect not imply --strict-binding? | 07:07 |
| lupine_85 | it's stuff like setting composite "true" | composite "0" for nvidia | fglrx that i'm thinking of... people generally expect packages to do all the hard work for them ;) | 07:08 |
| mjg59 | If you've got free drivers, you don't need to edit anything in xorg.conf | 07:08 |
| Xnix | yeah | 07:08 |
| iXce | mjg59 : even for intel chips? | 07:08 |
| mjg59 | It would be nice if the proprietary vendors would deal with that | 07:08 |
| mjg59 | iXce: That's what I use | 07:08 |
| iXce | oh :) | 07:09 |
| iXce | no XAAOffscreenPixmap then? | 07:09 |
| reggaemanu | lupine_85, composite is set to true by default now, and that works for nvidia/ati/intel aiglx/xgl/xorg so there's no need to change that | 07:09 |
| mjg59 | iXce: That's handled magically | 07:09 |
| lupine_85 | oh, right... I must be out of date ;) | 07:10 |
| iXce | great :) | 07:10 |
| Xnix | lupine_85 edgy? | 07:10 |
| lupine_85 | yes | 07:10 |
| lupine_85 | I meant in the knowledge stakes though | 07:10 |
| rodarvus | XAAOffscreenPixmap is handled automatically since version 1.6.1 (?) of the i810 driver | 07:10 |
| Xnix | hmm strange, mine was set by default | 07:10 |
| Xnix | lupine_85 ahh | 07:10 |
| lupine_85 | but doesn't fglrx need it off? | 07:10 |
| lupine_85 | erm, ignore me. 0=true, of course | 07:10 |
| mjg59 | It's done in the X server | 07:10 |
| mjg59 | Through a foul hack | 07:11 |
| reggaemanu | maybe we will have a good free nvidia driver soon :) ("nouveau" driver) | 07:11 |
| Xnix | alright i gotta head out guys, class over :P later | 07:11 |
| reggaemanu | i gotta buy cigarettes and eat something, see you after | 07:12 |
| iXce | cigarette killed everyone ^^ | 07:14 |
| rodarvus | mjg59, ahn, you added this patch on 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu8 | 07:14 |
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| mjg59 | rodarvus: Yeah | 07:15 |
| ThiefOfBaghdad | Err.. am i late for the u-d-e meeting | 07:15 |
| rodarvus | (I was under the impression this was turned on by default on the intel driver recently, though) | 07:15 |
| gnomefreak | @schedule | 07:15 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: Current meeting: Ubuntu Desktop Effects Team | 03 Oct 17:00: Community Council | 04 Oct 12:00: Edubuntu | 05 Oct 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Oct 20:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 20:00: Edubuntu | 07:15 |
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| tuxmaniac | clear | 07:16 |
| tuxmaniac | bah.. terminal | 07:16 |
| tuxmaniac | gnomefreak> hi. is it still on? | 07:16 |
| gnomefreak | ok i gotta go i will send DBO notes and we will see where we are | 07:17 |
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| tuxmaniac | gnomefreak> ok. good | 07:17 |
| iXce | not so much notes ^^ | 07:17 |
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| tuxmaniac | :( | 07:18 |
| gnomefreak | iXce: i have a few notes :) | 07:18 |
| iXce | :) | 07:18 |
| tuxmaniac | gnomefreak> one small question | 07:18 |
| gnomefreak | tuxmaniac: yes? | 07:18 |
| tuxmaniac | Can the IRC Channel be changed to ubuntu-desktop-effects | 07:18 |
| tuxmaniac | rather than having it as ubuntu-xgl | 07:18 |
| tuxmaniac | was this discussed? | 07:18 |
| tuxmaniac | I mean ubuntu-xgl does not (atleast by name) consider the other ones that are around | 07:19 |
| tuxmaniac | Just a suggstion | 07:19 |
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| gnomefreak | tuxmaniac: that is something ive been meaning to get up with DBO about there will be a post to the ML after i talk to him | 07:20 |
| tuxmaniac | gnomefreak> great! | 07:20 |
| iXce | what's the ml? | 07:21 |
| Quinn_Storm | I've gotta head out guys | 07:21 |
| tuxmaniac | iXce> Mailing list | 07:21 |
| iXce | i mean, where is it? | 07:21 |
| Quinn_Storm | sleeptime | 07:21 |
| iXce | tuxmaniac : yeah i know :) | 07:21 |
| iXce | night quinn | 07:21 |
| iXce | arg | 07:21 |
| tuxmaniac | iXce> :P | 07:21 |
| stgraber | iXce: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop-effects | 07:21 |
| tuxmaniac | stgraber> you are quicker than me :D | 07:22 |
| stgraber | :) | 07:22 |
| iXce | thanks | 07:22 |
| stgraber | np | 07:22 |
| heno | are we still on the agenda somewhere? | 07:27 |
| mjg59 | For reference, I've got a patch to gnome-session that I'm happy with now | 07:29 |
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| Laifen | re | 07:31 |
| iXce | hi Laifen | 07:31 |
| Laifen | Hi iXce | 07:32 |
| heno | mjg59: any idea how complicated it would be to pump AT-SPI info into compiz? (to allow cursor tracking say) | 07:32 |
| heno | currently the magnifier seems fairly static | 07:33 |
| mjg59 | I'm not really sure how that's meant to work | 07:33 |
| mjg59 | Keith Packard talked about it for a while and then found some other shiny thing | 07:34 |
| heno | as in the fuctionality or the implementation? | 07:34 |
| heno | right | 07:34 |
| mjg59 | I honestly can't remember how much functionality at-spi has in this respect | 07:34 |
| heno | is that who I should poke about it? | 07:34 |
| mjg59 | It's worth asking him | 07:34 |
| heno | anyone on this team deep enough into the code to manage that? | 07:35 |
| heno | or anyone likely to be at Mountain View? | 07:35 |
| iXce | Quinn_Storm and onestone | 07:36 |
| heno | iXce: thanks I'll try them too | 07:36 |
| iXce | it's about beryl, right? | 07:37 |
| heno | iXce: any sort of accelerated graphics will do | 07:37 |
| heno | it's about making a better magnifier for visually impaired people | 07:37 |
| heno | Has anyone here tried gnome-mag? | 07:38 |
| heno | in gnopernicus or Orca | 07:38 |
| heno | You'll see that it's very inferior to the compiz magnifier | 07:38 |
| heno | on performance | 07:38 |
| heno | But has a few crucial features | 07:39 |
| heno | see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Specs/compiz-mag for more info | 07:39 |
| mjg59 | reggaemanu: Uploaded | 07:43 |
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| reggaemanu | mjg59, gnome-session patched? :) | 07:45 |
| mjg59 | Yes | 07:45 |
| reggaemanu | cool | 07:45 |
| givr1 | mjg59: great | 07:45 |
| reggaemanu | there is still libwnck and add the java patch to xgl-xserver :p | 07:46 |
| reggaemanu | ^^ | 07:46 |
| mjg59 | I thought we didn't have a working patch for libwnck yet? | 07:47 |
| reggaemanu | we have | 07:47 |
| reggaemanu | there is already a patched package in xgl.compiz.info repo | 07:47 |
| reggaemanu | but i have to repackage every time there is an update in ubuntu's repo, that's pretty boring | 07:47 |
| mjg59 | reggaemanu: Didn't somebody say something about it not working properly in some cases? | 07:48 |
| mjg59 | And can you point me to the bug/patch? | 07:48 |
| reggaemanu | mjg59, www.compiz.info/patches/libwnck | 07:48 |
| reggaemanu | and no there is definitively no problem | 07:48 |
| mjg59 | reggaemanu: Those patches are large and undocumented | 07:49 |
| reggaemanu | it change nothing for non compiz users | 07:49 |
| mjg59 | Have you got a pointer to the bug discussing the issue and why each of those is required? | 07:49 |
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| reggaemanu | mjg59, the above patch fix the on top menu entry for compiz (by default it is greyd since libwnck don't have a above hint) | 07:50 |
| reggaemanu | mjg59, viewport add viewport entries like workspaces ones with metacity | 07:51 |
| reggaemanu | window move is needed for the viewport patch | 07:51 |
| mjg59 | reggaemanu: Wait. Why do we need viewport support? | 07:51 |
| iXce | mjg59 : because the so-great davidr choosed that :/ | 07:51 |
| mjg59 | I'm not going to be responsible for reintroducing this distinction into wnck | 07:52 |
| mjg59 | We have desktops. | 07:52 |
| reggaemanu | mjg59, compiz/beryl don't have workspace, it is vewports (as in freedesktop specs) | 07:52 |
| mjg59 | What's the difference between desktops and viewports? | 07:52 |
| reggaemanu | a workspace can contain many viewports | 07:52 |
| mjg59 | Will this ever actually happen? | 07:53 |
| mjg59 | I mean, will anyone we actually care about ever have a setup where there's a meaningful distinction between the two? | 07:53 |
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| reggaemanu | compiz use only one workspace with many viewport, like it should be (e.g. freedesktop specs), metacity and kde don't follow fdo specs | 07:54 |
| mjg59 | No, that doesn't answer my question | 07:54 |
| mjg59 | Is there any situation in which a user is going to have both workspaces and viewports? | 07:54 |
| mjg59 | (As in, more than one of each) | 07:54 |
| reggaemanu | we don't care about the distinction, the fact is that with compiz, there is no entry to move the window on another workspace/viewport since it handle only workspace and there is only one workspace | 07:55 |
| mjg59 | So remove all references in user-visible strings to "viewport" and replace them with "workspace" | 07:55 |
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| mjg59 | "Viewport" is an utterly meaningless term to users | 07:55 |
| lupine_85 | the distinction is important if you run KDE :( | 07:56 |
| mjg59 | Oh argh. | 07:56 |
| lupine_85 | standard kicker works with workspaces, not viewports | 07:57 |
| mjg59 | Ok. I am not uploading anything that will make the term "viewport" appear in the UI. | 07:57 |
| lupine_85 | sensible :). meant nothing to me until I looked it up | 07:57 |
| mjg59 | So the distinction is that a workspace is a logically distinct thing, and viewports are segregated on-screen areas of a workspace. Windows can overlap different viewports, but not workspaces. | 07:58 |
| mjg59 | Is that right? | 07:58 |
| reggaemanu | mjg59, the original threads where david reveman have post theses patch http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/compiz/2006-April/000117.html | 07:59 |
| reggaemanu | (those i have sent to you are the originals ones ported to libwnck 2.16, except the apperance patch that replace the opacity one, more complete) | 07:59 |
| mjg59 | Ridiculous hatred | 07:59 |
| mjg59 | What does the appearance one actually do? | 08:00 |
| mjg59 | Set opacity with wnck? | 08:00 |
| mjg59 | Neat toy. So not getting in :) | 08:01 |
| iXce | appearance is for opacity, saturation and brightness i think | 08:01 |
| reggaemanu | mjg59, it add this menu entrie if the wm support the opacity hint ://static.flickr.com/65/199540689_00b3dfbb74.jpg | 08:01 |
| reggaemanu | http://static.flickr.com/65/199540689_00b3dfbb74.jp | 08:02 |
| reggaemanu | erf | 08:02 |
| reggaemanu | http://static.flickr.com/65/199540689_00b3dfbb74.jpg | 08:02 |
| reggaemanu | _ | 08:02 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 08:03 |
| mjg59 | I'm reasonably happy with most of them other than the appearance one | 08:03 |
| mjg59 | I'll see if I can sneak them in | 08:04 |
| reggaemanu | there is an opened bug (by a libwnck dev) on bugzilla.gnome.org about these patchs but there is no reply | 08:05 |
| reggaemanu | that should be great, although if you don't add the apperance patch people will continu to use the non official package :) | 08:05 |
| reggaemanu | everybody use it since before dapper | 08:05 |
| reggaemanu | and i'm tired to re-package it everytime | 08:06 |
| reggaemanu | it's not a really important patch that's true | 08:07 |
| reggaemanu | but users like that :/ | 08:07 |
| reggaemanu | anyway, i'm gotta eat, be back later | 08:07 |
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| Xnix | reggaemanu so edgy gnome-sessios shold be patched now? | 08:38 |
| mjg59 | Xnix: Yes | 08:38 |
| Xnix | mjg59 awesome :D | 08:39 |
| Xnix | and those libwnck except the appearance one? or not yet | 08:39 |
| mjg59 | Not yet | 08:40 |
| Xnix | alright | 08:40 |
| Xnix | thanks | 08:41 |
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