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[05:48] anyone here from the desktop-effects-team? [05:49] DBO2: i havent seen anyone [05:50] ok === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Ubuntu Desktop Effects Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 03 Oct 17:00 UTC: Community Council | 04 Oct 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 05 Oct 07:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Oct 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 11 Oct 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu === Camus_SoNiCo [n=camus_so@149-100-235-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:51] hey Camus_SoNiCo =) [05:52] hey [05:52] :d [05:52] Hello, everybody [05:52] arrived onn time? [05:52] eh we are still waiting [05:53] great then [05:54] gnomefreak, has the meeting been pimped in -xgl? [05:54] i just said meeting in 15 minutes 15 minutes ago [05:55] ok, pimp it again =) [05:55] pimped [05:56] i cant find this persons issue :( [05:56] hi [05:56] hi stgraber === Hawkwind Waves [05:56] hi Hawkwind === Quinn_Storm [n=quinn@pool-71-253-28-35.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:57] gnomefreak: Mornin :) [05:57] DBO2: give it a bit longer? === iXce [n=ixce2@195-14-0-203.nuxit.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Quinn_Storm pops in [05:57] hi iXce === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:57] hi [05:57] hi Quinn_Storm [05:57] hi lupine_85 [05:57] hi [05:57] hi :) [05:57] gnomefreak, I went a pimped some other channels =P [05:57] :) === lupine_85 is never late [05:58] ok brb gonna run outside for a minute [05:58] lupine_85: your late === H3g3m0n [n=hegemon@220-244-61-150.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:58] :) [05:58] not according to my clock ;) [05:58] 14:58 [05:58] erm, 16:58 [05:58] yeah people still got some time [05:58] also :58 here :) [05:58] ntp++ [05:58] 12:58 here, GMT-3 :P === cyberorg [n=cyberorg@124.125.147.58] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:59] :52 here...I must have weird ntp servers [05:59] BST here, I think... despite it being freezing september [05:59] :59 here [05:59] ooh the suspense [06:00] hehehheh [06:01] ok ladies and gents, shall we begin? despite our team of atomic powered super men not being present === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-39-242.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:01] before we start, are the "results" of the current meeting gonna be placed somewhere? so anyone can read them [06:02] yes [06:02] There is a page in the wiki [06:02] this channel is logged [06:02] this channel is logged [06:02] i win [06:02] :) [06:02] ok, great [06:02] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ ;) === gnomefreak is JOhn Vivirito === Camus_SoNiCo is Camus SoNiCo :P [06:03] ok, first off, who all do we have here that is a member of the team that is NOT a beryl dev? [06:03] lol [06:03] yeah me [06:04] gnomefreak, I think we need to beat them... [06:04] is joel here? [06:04] me :) [06:04] me :) [06:04] me too, but i'm willing to develop [06:04] rouben here? [06:04] (well, I'm downloading beryl-plugins source right now) [06:04] henrickomma here? [06:05] Camus_SoNiCo, ok we will get to that [06:05] Ok === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:05] who is a beryl devel other than Quinn_Storm and DBO2 [06:05] im not devel [06:05] <- sort of [06:05] DBO2: your working on themes arnt you? [06:06] but the team thats here is iXce, Quinn_Storm and cyberorg is a packager [06:06] ah ok [06:06] iXce is perhaps one of the most important members of beryl (IMHO) next to Quinn_Storm [06:06] ok other than dev. who here helps in #ubuntu-xgl (other than DBO2) [06:07] lupine_85 is a big help [06:07] hes there a lot === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:07] am I? [06:07] we are in need of people helping in there [06:07] lupine_85: yes [06:07] cor [06:07] lifeless, here for the desktop effects meeting? [06:07] it seems so [06:07] gnomefreak, ok lets get some structure going =) [06:07] First order of business is the wiki pages [06:08] those need an entire overhaul [06:08] beryl 0.1 has been pre-released [06:08] and the wiki needs to reflect that as well as how to install compiz-git [06:09] myself and DBO2 have been starting on them but we are gonna have alot of pages hopfully all linked but need people willing to help on them [06:09] I have some experience writing these walkthroughs [06:09] DBO2: is there a main beryl repo? other than amaroths? [06:09] gnomefreak : official one :o) [06:09] so if there are no objections, I would like to head up the wiki project [06:10] iXce: there is? [06:10] gnomefreak, yes just today [06:10] ok good [06:10] amaranth is closing his repo once the beryl official one gets up [06:10] the same repos that used to cover compiz-quinn [06:10] lets use that for the wikis than [06:10] yeah [06:10] we will also need a wiki for switching to beryl from compiz [06:11] which will be fairly easy === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-244-56.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:11] is this going to be in universe.multiverse at all for edgy or edgy+!? === xopher [n=xopher@dyn226-120.lpok.dnainternet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:11] thats the hope [06:11] edgy+1 i think, it sounds pretty impossible to get it into edgy, but edgy would be great :) [06:11] I am hoping to work the MOTU on this === heno [n=henrik@ti200720a080-5961.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:12] iXce: its pretty late for edgy [06:12] are we going to have transitional packages for compiz-quinn -> beryl? [06:12] universe freeze started yesterday [06:12] and I know Quinn_Storm is going to Mountain View, which means that we have a good shot at it [06:12] gnomefreak: UVF was yesterday. [06:12] I guess as beryl and compiz can coexist, beryl-manager can become common tool for switching to and from beryl [06:12] edgy+1 is a sensible goal, not edgy [06:12] for edgy+1 that is [06:12] cyberorg, I agree with that [06:12] Quinn_Storm, I know you dont want to [06:13] but it really is my opinion that beryl-manager should support compiz-git [06:13] makes helping users easier - just tell them to use beryl manager [06:13] well if you guys want, we can work that in [06:13] but...it'll just be supported like any other WM is [06:13] thats fine [06:13] unless you guys want to take a crack at it [06:14] thats all is needed [06:14] so to use compiz you install beryl-manager? [06:14] i can look into it [06:14] gnomefreak, no its just an option [06:14] oh ok [06:14] and it adds consistancy to how they are launched [06:14] ok that sounds good than [06:15] yeah, beryl-manager is fairly extensible [06:15] makes walkthroughs easier too [06:15] ok so that covers with wiki and that segway === lupine_85 would like a "start automatically" option in beryl-manager.. . rather than adding it to sessions manually [06:15] Quinn_Storm: are your repos gonna be used for compiz/xgl? [06:15] for now [06:15] lupine_85: how about a login option? [06:15] wait [06:15] lupine_85: put that on bugtracker [06:15] compiz? [06:16] I guess if someone wants to compile compiz-git pkgs [06:16] Quinn_Storm, he wants to know if you will have compiz-git? [06:16] we can get a packager for that [06:16] well I won't personally handle it but yeah we can package it [06:16] would you be willing to add it in? [06:16] Quinn_Storm: in other words are people only gonna be able to use the compiz in repos? [06:16] gnomefreak: we'll package compiz-git, I just won't be doing it myself [06:17] ok thats good [06:17] I will begin searching for someone to do packaging [06:17] reggaemanu? [06:17] perhaps === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-137-116.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:17] lol speaking of [06:18] speak of the turkey =) [06:18] ok can we get the repos on the ML when ready to be used for either/both [06:19] the repo is the same as the old compiz repo [06:19] that way we can build the wiki's around them [06:19] xgl.compiz.info I believe [06:19] hi [06:19] well as you know we're already ready w/ beryl [06:19] I pushed 0.1.0 packages thismorning [06:19] and nigel pushed amd64 edgy pkgs [06:19] Quinn_Storm: ah [06:19] http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org [06:19] do we have someone doing 64 dapper? [06:20] Quinn_Storm: I'm still mirroring that as compiz-mirror. Should I change my beryl-mirror. over to it instead? [06:20] DBO, we should use beryl-project.org no compiz.info ;) but the repo is the same yeah [06:20] oops, it was for DBO2 :p [06:20] actually, I should point them both to the same one... [06:20] reggaemanu, yeah sorry about the name, not on my normal PC [06:20] that we we update all the old compiz users, and all the ones using the unofficial repo as well [06:21] lupine_85, thats not a bad idea [06:21] it's running now [06:21] beryl = edgy and up only right? [06:21] no [06:21] it runs on dapper too [06:21] no it was backported to dapper w/ the same stuff as compiz [06:21] ok [06:21] mostly just libxcomposite [06:21] yeah [06:22] those backports should stay in place please =) [06:22] ok, to recap gnomefreak === Aualin [n=mikael@static-host-212-214-143-198.wtnord.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:22] we need packagers for compiz-get, beryl 64bit dapper, beryl 32 edgy-dapper [06:23] we want to remove the packaging duty from quinn all together [06:23] so she is free to develop [06:23] ok i like that [06:23] nigel_c is already taking care of 64bit edgy [06:23] and once edgy is released we can stop packaging dapper [06:23] i can do it for compiz-git and beryl 32 [06:23] edgy or dapper? [06:23] (edgy) [06:24] k [06:24] gnomefreak, can you take notes, I am not able to where I am [06:24] dapper too with a pbuilder but since i can't test it that's useless [06:24] yeah give me a sec [06:24] I have 32 and 64 edgy === Quinn_Storm pbuilders dapper too anyway [06:25] yeah but you are stopping that =P [06:25] I could do beryl 64bit dapper I guess [06:25] I meant for packaging official: [17:22] we need packagers for compiz-get, beryl 64bit dapper, beryl 32 edgy-dapper [06:25] DBO2: what is nigel_c packaging for 64bit? [06:25] gnomefreak, beryl edgy [06:26] k [06:26] unofficial beryl-mirror is now pointing to official beryl. unofficial beryl-64 is gone. === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-244-56.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:27] so reggaemanu and nigel are the only packagers we have for this so far? [06:27] officially yes [06:27] we want to replace quinn [06:28] we can see if Amaranth wants the job [06:28] ahem [06:28] he was already packaging [06:28] we need someone else for dapper [06:28] iXce, did we miss you? [06:28] what's the problem with quinn doing some packages? [06:28] iXce, she shouldnt have to [06:28] it takes time that she can better spend elsewhere [06:28] yeah [06:29] that's right :) [06:29] let her to some magic :P [06:29] her time is far too valuable to have her packaging [06:29] and maybe should svn be less distro-specific [06:30] thats really up to the dev team [06:30] but you will find no qualms here === Aualin [n=mikael@static-host-212-214-143-198.wtnord.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [06:30] bbl === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-39-242.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:30] ok so far i have " 2 packagers listed" and notes for taking Quinn_Storm off packaging and see if amarath wants it. [06:30] and we need some more [06:31] Amaranth will be continuing with the l-r-m stuff, IIRC - I think I'm lending her an ssh session to do the compilation and upload whenever necessay [06:32] erm, him" [06:32] I'm interested but I just don't know how to do so :), so if someone explain me what to do and how (I also have 2-3 howtos in my bookmarks), I can help with packaging [06:32] gnomefreak, note down that we may hit up Amaranth for info [06:32] info on what? [06:33] packaging [06:33] noted === Xnix [n=xnix@n157s046.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:33] wecome Xnix [06:33] ok next [06:33] welcome even [06:33] howdy [06:33] as far as bug reports go [06:34] all team member should be made aware of the bug tracker [06:34] DBO2: got a handy link? [06:34] bugs.beryl-project.org === lupine_85 bookmarks [06:35] on a related note I think team members should be subscribed to the svn commit emails [06:35] agreed [06:35] how do we get on those? [06:35] i keep up with it, but didnt know there was email [06:35] DBO2: are we using LP for beryl buggs? [06:36] we're in the process of fixing that [06:36] k [06:36] gnomefreak, yes and no [06:36] DBO2: we can get together later about that [06:36] gnomefreak, anything that is not in ubuntu repos should not go in launchpad I dont think... [06:36] the login still don't work [06:36] we will have to talk on that later [06:36] DBO2: agreed [06:36] brb phone [06:37] Quinn_Storm, is there any chance beryl might end up on launchpad itself? [06:37] Generally...probably not...I hate their interface [06:37] anyway, what is in ubuntu repos isn't package like it should, some patchs missed for xgl -_- [06:37] Quinn_Storm, ok [06:37] gnome-session need some patch too [06:38] reggaemanu: The package in the Ubuntu repos works fine with the X server we ship [06:38] reggaemanu, have bugs been submitted to launchpad? [06:38] mjg59, what about the gnome-session issue [06:38] mjg59, the java patch is missing, so java app can't work on compiz git or beryl [06:39] reggaemanu: Patch in launchpad plskthxbi [06:39] and there is no possibility to disable the grabscreen in gnome-session so it doesn't work with aiglx or nvidia beta driver [06:39] so you cant say that it works with the x server you ship :p [06:39] I've used it extensively with the X server we ship [06:39] are you using xgl or aiglx? [06:39] aiglx [06:39] That is, the X server we ship [06:39] reggaemanu : yeah we know, we're wroking on that with coling right now [06:40] iXce, ok thats fine then [06:40] Camus_SoNiCo, you wanted to know how you could help [06:40] mjg59, and you are able to logout with aiglx and the official gnome-session package? [06:40] that's impossible, the grab break the logout dialog [06:40] reggaemanu: Please. File. A. Bug. [06:41] yes, but first i'd like to cover Xgl vs AIGLX, not sure about diffs [06:41] mjg59 : we already did [06:41] everybody is aware of that since around 6 month... [06:41] reggaemanu i can log out sometimes, usuing unpatched gnome-session with beryl [06:41] in Xgl [06:41] Xnix, thats xgl [06:41] doesnt have the issue [06:41] Xnix, it's ok in xgl, i'm talking about aiglx... [06:41] ahh ok [06:41] Oh, that's interesting [06:41] its on aiglx and nvidia beta drivers that have the issue [06:41] Why don't I get compiz bugs? [06:41] (adn it is the same with the new nvidia drivers now) [06:41] logout works here (edgy+nvidia beta) [06:41] s/adn/and [06:42] I used to [06:42] erm, but KDE [06:42] but it's not a high priority bug since there's no compositing manager included by default [06:42] and it's a gnome-session bug [06:42] lupine_85, we are talking about gnome-session so if you use KDE... ^^ [06:42] yep - noticed that after $13$10 [06:42] ;) [06:43] ok, so bug has been filed, its out of our hands for now [06:43] libwnck need some patch too, i must repackage it every time there is an update in the official repo, that's boring === Camus_SoNiCo wants to know de diff between Xgl and AIGLX === cyberorg [n=cyberorg@124.125.147.58] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [06:43] Camus_SoNiCo, different arch, while Xgl runs on top of Xorg, AIGLX is part of Xorg [06:43] both however provide a means to get TFP [06:44] (amoung other things) [06:44] ok sorry about htat [06:44] mjg59: https://launchpad.net/bugs/24221 https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/59244 [06:44] Malone bug 24221 in gnome-session "GNOME logout screen doesn't appear when the composite is enabled" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] [06:44] DBO2, thanks [06:44] the primary difference is aiglx allows for direct rendering Camus_SoNiCo === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:44] ah, great for games ;) [06:44] and videa [06:44] video [06:45] givre: Thanks [06:45] DBO2, i should switch then :P [06:45] Camus_SoNiCo, there are video card support issues [06:45] If the driver can work with AIGLX ... [06:45] guys [06:45] DBO2, it has issues with nvidia? [06:45] I got to run [06:46] Camus_SoNiCo, yes [06:46] ups :S [06:46] i have seen a few compiz/xgl bugs on LP recently. not sure if reported than or traiged than [06:46] gnomefreak, can you handle it from here? =) [06:46] DBO2: where are we? [06:46] gnomefreak, the differences between Xgl/AIGLX/compiz/beryl [06:47] the patchs to make libwnck compiz/beryl aware should really go to official ubuntu repo [06:47] ill be back later tonight gnomefreak === lupine_85 knows what he would like to see in the (any) repos... http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=46021 : kicker-compiz [06:47] ok but shouldnt that have been with JoelStanley here? [06:47] DBO2: ok go for it [06:48] i +1 lupine_85 idea if it is possible to add it in [06:48] Oh [06:48] No, we're not going to be including that gnome-session patch [06:48] It's mad [06:49] There has to be a better way to fix that [06:49] mjg59, that's just a workaround yeah, anyway others distrib just disable the grab for everybody [06:49] it doesn't deal with normal KDE desktops properly, so I think it's not appropriate for official ubuntu [06:49] reggaemanu: That would be one solution, yes. It would be preferable to find another one. [06:49] mjg59, make the grab a gconf option by example ;) [06:49] reggaemanu: Let's just make it work... === xopher [n=xopher@dyn226-120.lpok.dnainternet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:50] won't work for default dapper, though - kde 3.5.2 [06:50] it#'s 3.5.4 I think [06:50] wow Matthew Garett is here :) [06:50] iXce: he is [06:50] :) [06:50] that's great :) [06:51] The bug could do with a better description of what the problem actually is [06:51] is gconf still in compiz in ubuntu repos? [06:51] Yes [06:51] k [06:51] gnomefreak, yeah [06:51] that's the last release before it has been removed [06:52] would it be any benifit to just leave the compiz to ubuntus repos instead of opening Quinn_Storm's for it? === tseliot [n=tseliot@host220-199-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:53] gnomefreak: well, compiz-git is still such a moving target...and besides, for ubuntu, we're trying to move toward Beryl (at least that's the opinion I got from Mark) [06:53] As Seb points out in that bug, setting LTSP_CLIENT will do what you want to do here in any csae [06:53] Quinn_Storm : even though beryl is full of "dirty" code and "hackish" workarounds? ^^ [06:54] hehe [06:54] mjg59 : any hint on how to activate that LTSP thing please? [06:54] it will be if I start on it! [06:54] ^^ [06:54] iXce: im sure cleaning up would be a requirment befor eubuntu takes it [06:54] iXce: Just make sure that LTSP_CLIENT is set in your environment [06:54] Putting it in .gnomerc should do [06:54] and if i've got no .gnomerc? [06:54] iXce: Create one? :) [06:54] .bashrc? .xsession ? [06:54] I believe it's used by default [06:54] compiz will have to stay around for a while anyway [06:55] mjg59 : great idea :p [06:55] gnomefreak : that's already one of the main goals of beryl [06:55] In the end, it's likely that we'll go with whichever solution works best [06:55] documentation, debugging, code cleanup, usability ^^ [06:55] iXce what do you mean? [06:55] so that's pretty like the hackish gandalfn patch, we have to put a line in .gnomerc [06:55] iXce ahh k [06:56] That's not really going to be a decision we make before part-way through the Edgy+1 cycle [06:56] Mark's quite clearly keen on whatever gives us the most bling possible, but we'll see what's most effective for our users by then [06:56] Bling's not going to come at the expense of reliability [06:57] if we add beryl to ubuntu repos in future is it possible to get a login option in gdm/kdm/xdm? [06:57] what he seems to like is the community aspect...he's not big on davidr's development model [06:57] mjg59 : i fully agree with that :) [06:57] gnomefreak, that should be possible [06:58] reggaemanu: that way people without much hacking can log in and out [06:58] gnomefreak, we can also update gnome-wm to prefer beryl if composite is available and use metacity if not [06:58] k [06:58] that's what i use currently, and that's what it is done on suse [06:58]