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| LaserJock | hi cbx33 | 12:18 |
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| ubuntu | hello folks | 12:19 |
| ubuntu | 3 tries of fresh beta install, 3 different set of problems | 12:20 |
| ubuntu | first: installations breaks on broken cups package | 12:20 |
| ubuntu | second: the user isn't created | 12:20 |
| ubuntu | third: no X && GDM existance | 12:20 |
| LaserJock | heh, fun | 12:21 |
| cbx33 | hey LaserJock | 12:21 |
| ubuntu | LaserJock: indeed, fun :) | 12:22 |
| LaserJock | I think perhaps 1) is a known thing perhaps | 12:22 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, I just managed to get CounterStrike Source running on linux ;) | 12:22 |
| LaserJock | heh, good for you | 12:22 |
| ubuntu | LaserJock: I think 1) was supposed to be fixed :P | 12:22 |
| ubuntu | LaserJock: and howcome on second and third try it didn't happen? :P | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | I've been spending the day avoiding a nervous breakdown ;-) | 12:23 |
| cbx33 | whaaa>? | 12:23 |
| cbx33 | y? | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | ubuntu: not sure, odd | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: oh, the usual. Very tired today, plus lots and lots of "stuff" | 12:24 |
| cbx33 | yeh? | 12:26 |
| cbx33 | server still doing good? | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | I think so | 12:26 |
| === ubuntu would like to get some answers if possible;) | ||
| LaserJock | ubuntu: ask #ubuntu+1 | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | I really don't know | 12:27 |
| ubuntu | this is edubuntu :P | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | sure | 12:27 |
| ubuntu | ahm, oki | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | but the installation is the same | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | pretty much | 12:28 |
| LaserJock | I don't think you're issues are edubuntu specific | 12:28 |
| ubuntu | will do | 12:28 |
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| cbx33 | LaserJock, sorry dude I'm here now | 12:49 |
| cbx33 | howz it all going | 12:49 |
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| glasswalkertheur | hello all | 12:51 |
| glasswalkertheur | I am having lockup problems, now on lots of apps (poor trouble shooting I think) | 12:53 |
| glasswalkertheur | A friend mentioned via chipset problems, anyone have any ideas? | 12:53 |
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| glasswalkertheur | possible via chipset problem | 01:00 |
| LaserJock | glasswalkertheur: you could check launchpad to see if a bug has been filed about it | 01:01 |
| glasswalkertheur | how would I do that | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | 01:01 |
| glasswalkertheur | thanks, I will take a look | 01:02 |
| glasswalkertheur | is their any way to identify the actual chipset, w/o firing up BartPE? | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | lspci? | 01:03 |
| glasswalkertheur | cosole app? | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 01:03 |
| glasswalkertheur | console :-) | 01:04 |
| glasswalkertheur | worked great, many thanks | 01:04 |
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| axl000 | where is mhz?? | 03:51 |
| LaserJock | not here apparently | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | :/ | 03:53 |
| cafuego | axl000: All 2000 of them are currently in my PC. | 03:54 |
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| axl000 | hola mhz | 04:05 |
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| axl000 | estaba preguntndo por ti | 04:05 |
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| axl000 | mhz? | 04:14 |
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| mhz | ooops | 05:06 |
| mhz | re | 05:06 |
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| P3L|C4N0 | greetings | 06:33 |
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| HedgeMage | hi Burgundavia | 09:22 |
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| pygi | eh, this was bad | 09:38 |
| HedgeMage | what was? | 09:38 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: using beta install cd | 09:38 |
| HedgeMage | ahh | 09:39 |
| pygi | it isn't usable | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | I just upgraded tonight | 09:41 |
| pygi | LaserJock: I tried doing fresh installation from beta install cd | 09:42 |
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| HedgeMage | Guess not. | 10:53 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: you read the post? :) | 10:54 |
| pygi | morning all | 10:54 |
| HedgeMage | What post? | 10:54 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: the one on planet I told you to read? :P | 10:55 |
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| HedgeMage | reading now... it's hard to read because it's missing a couple of newlines | 10:56 |
| HedgeMage | ahh, cool... good of you to mention the Handbook stuff. | 10:57 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: :) | 10:59 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: yes, sorry about newlines, my fault again :P | 10:59 |
| HedgeMage | np | 10:59 |
| HedgeMage | probably wouldn't have bugged me if I weren't half asleep | 11:00 |
| pygi | hehe :) | 11:00 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: monday very early morning I'm outta hear | 11:04 |
| pygi | here* | 11:04 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: you can try contacting me by mail. hopefully I'll visit some internet caffe's so I could respond to everyone | 11:04 |
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| pygi | dunno how long before I'm done moving & with internet access | 11:05 |
| === HedgeMage nods | ||
| HedgeMage | understood | 11:11 |
| === HedgeMage hugs pygi | ||
| HedgeMage | good luck! | 11:11 |
| pygi | yay, thanks :) | 11:12 |
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| LaserJock | umm, hi Pete | 12:08 |
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| skwashd | hi all | 12:22 |
| skwashd | i decided to restart with using the edgy beta | 12:22 |
| skwashd | but i can't find the ppc live cd | 12:22 |
| skwashd | is there not meant to be done ? | 12:22 |
| lucasvo | skwashd: I think you can find it at archive.ubuntu.com/ubunt/ but I don't know the exact path. | 12:23 |
| lucasvo | no sorry | 12:24 |
| lucasvo | skwashd: I meant cdimage.ubuntu.com | 12:25 |
| skwashd | lucasvo: i couldn't find it there, on my ISP's mirror or releases.ubuntu.com | 12:25 |
| lucasvo | skwashd: I actually donn't seea beta at all. | 12:26 |
| lucasvo | are you sure it's already released? | 12:26 |
| skwashd | got a daily live | 12:26 |
| skwashd | http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/current/ | 12:26 |
| lucasvo | that's not bad | 12:26 |
| skwashd | lucasvo: the others have been | 12:26 |
| lucasvo | I'd take this as well | 12:26 |
| skwashd | lucasvo: i suppose that will have to do then | 12:27 |
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| juliux | hi lucasvo | 12:34 |
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| lucasvo | hi juliux | 12:41 |
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| ogra | skwashd, the ppc livecd was oversized (apparently still is) due to a bug with the archive software ... so we couldnt release it | 01:11 |
| ogra | it should still work if you use 800MB media or a DVD to brun it to | 01:12 |
| skwashd | ogra: larger than 700M ? | 01:12 |
| ogra | yes | 01:12 |
| skwashd | hmmm ok | 01:12 |
| skwashd | thanks | 01:12 |
| ogra | launchpad had (has) a hiccup :/ | 01:12 |
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| ogra | edgy-live-powerpc.iso 30-Sep-2006 00:58 744M | 01:12 |
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| ogra | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20060928.1/ has the iso that *would* have been released without that big | 01:13 |
| ogra | *bug | 01:13 |
| ogra | its identical to the other betas | 01:13 |
| skwashd | ogra: ok ... i think i will wait for the size issue to be resolved then | 01:14 |
| ogra | do you actually need a live version ? the install CD is fine | 01:14 |
| ogra | http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edgy/ | 01:14 |
| skwashd | ogra: for doing a multi arch install | 01:15 |
| ogra | ah, right :/ | 01:15 |
| skwashd | ogra: :) | 01:16 |
| skwashd | for now i think i will just go with xubuntu on the laptop | 01:16 |
| cbx33 | what's the bug? | 01:56 |
| cbx33 | ohi see | 01:56 |
| cbx33 | archive software | 01:56 |
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| Malcolm_ | I'm using ubuntu at the moment, but I'm planning to set up one computer as a server and others as workstations(at least one development/web server, and one for educational and gaming purposes). what're the advantages to edubuntu? does edubuntu have everything ubuntu has? and should I install all edubuntu or all but 1 ubuntu or kubuntu and 1 worksation /w edubuntu? | 03:34 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | edubuntu has ltsp out of the box, and more 'educational/kiddie' apps | 03:35 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | if those are advantages, there you go :) | 03:35 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | edubuntu doesnt have the same package selection as ubuntu | 03:35 |
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| KeeN | ahoy | 04:03 |
| KeeN | hey | 04:04 |
| KeeN | I need help ... I just installed Ubuntu and I'm trying to configure my graphic card ... | 04:06 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 04:33 |
| highvoltage | howdy mr bddebian! | 04:55 |
| bddebian | Heya highvoltage | 04:56 |
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| dibs | hello everyone | 04:58 |
| dibs | hi i'm new to linux and am currently doing my final year dissertation on open/free software for education | 04:59 |
| dibs | does anybody know how to get the root password | 05:01 |
| dibs | anyone here? | 05:02 |
| dibs | ? | 05:04 |
| highvoltage | egh. just missed dibs. I wish people were a bit more patient :) | 05:09 |
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| pygi | highvoltage: ping, have a sec? | 05:38 |
| highvoltage | pygi: yep | 05:39 |
| highvoltage | if all goes well I'll have Internet at home again from Wednesday | 05:40 |
| highvoltage | that will make my life so, so much easier | 05:40 |
| pygi | highvoltage: do you know do we have to ship entire KDE language packs because of KDE-Edu? | 05:40 |
| pygi | highvoltage: or do we have them separated? | 05:41 |
| highvoltage | I don't know the exact details, I know that the language packs we do ship for the kde apps are bigger than the gnome ones | 05:41 |
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| highvoltage | pygi: oh, sorry, I understand your question now, the anser is yes :) | 05:42 |
| highvoltage | it's because of KDE-edu | 05:42 |
| pygi | highvoltage: thank you :) | 05:43 |
| highvoltage | pygi: how is it going? | 05:43 |
| pygi | highvoltage: good and busy :) Preparing for moving :) | 05:44 |
| pygi | highvoltage: what about you? | 05:44 |
| highvoltage | going good. had a hectic week, was at an expo so didn't get to do much work | 05:45 |
| highvoltage | next week I'll be playing catchup again | 05:45 |
| pygi | nice :) | 05:45 |
| highvoltage | but things are getting more organised for me, so I'm glad | 05:45 |
| pygi | Let's see how I will go :) Dunno how long will I be without internet :P | 05:45 |
| highvoltage | there's less and less times where I have to get frustrated because of delays, etc | 05:45 |
| pygi | nice :) | 05:46 |
| highvoltage | pygi: well, I've been without internet at home for nearly a year now. IT SUX! | 05:46 |
| pygi | highvoltage: right, indeed | 05:46 |
| highvoltage | next week I'm getting a high-speed wireless connection, I can't wait :) | 05:46 |
| pygi | highvoltage: but being without internet in time for UDS and Hungarian conference is bad :P | 05:46 |
| pygi | RichEd-1: ping, could I grab you for a second? | 05:46 |
| highvoltage | i doubt he's there :) | 05:48 |
| pygi | right, ergh, dunno if I'm allowed to say something :) | 05:48 |
| pygi | ah, nevermind then :) | 05:48 |
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| pygi | highvoltage: trying to write sensful mail to Anne-Marie | 05:55 |
| pygi | that is a joy :P | 05:55 |
| highvoltage | who is Anne-Marie? | 06:00 |
| lucasvo | !restrictedformats | 06:02 |
| ubotu | For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats | 06:02 |
| pygi | highvoltage: founder of KDE-Edu :P | 06:03 |
| highvoltage | aaah :) | 06:03 |
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| lucasvo | I wonder how she found out about Gallium | 06:08 |
| pygi | lucasvo: Gallium is not a secret | 06:09 |
| pygi | this is FOSS world | 06:09 |
| lucasvo | pygi: but for example google gives me only the launchpad hit | 06:10 |
| pygi | lucasvo: You would except KDE-Edu founder to be interested in Edubuntu ;) | 06:10 |
| lucasvo | pygi: what will you write? | 06:10 |
| lucasvo | it won't be hard | 06:10 |
| pygi | lucasvo: I wrote it already | 06:10 |
| lucasvo | just got it while I was typing | 06:11 |
| pygi | it's a compromise beetween what I really wanted to write | 06:11 |
| pygi | I cannot talk about some things :) | 06:11 |
| lucasvo | pygi: you mean some sort of: Get real and becoma a gnome user. KDE s**** that's why we made gallium? ;) | 06:13 |
| highvoltage | I don't quite understand, why is there so much hostility against the creation of gallium? | 06:14 |
| lucasvo | highvoltage: usually I am also against creating things twice. but in this case, I don't see a better solution | 06:15 |
| lucasvo | it's a huge amount of work being done twice. which could also be invested in other edu apps | 06:15 |
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| highvoltage | it's not as much as creating it from scracth though, since gallium will use the data from kalzium, so it's a very small part of the work that's being duplicated | 06:16 |
| lucasvo | highvoltage: keeping bug free, creating packages, making publicity... | 06:16 |
| lucasvo | maintainaning the chemical data is not that big, since most of it is already well known and not in research anymore | 06:17 |
| Laser_away | gallium was metioned on planet by pygi | 06:19 |
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| highvoltage | i think publicity and creating packages are minor compared to the CD space problem | 06:20 |
| highvoltage | I think in the end it comes down to is priorities | 06:21 |
| highvoltage | unforunately you always have to make some sacrifice | 06:21 |
| highvoltage | hi LaserJock | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: I can understand the problem if you look at it as "Edubuntu ships KDEEdu, Edubuntu is also developing a GTK port of Kalzium" | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | but I don't feel like "Edubuntu" is developing Gallium | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | it's not speced | 06:22 |
| highvoltage | yep | 06:22 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: you're developing it, right? | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | well, I started it | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | I haven't done any of the code yet | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | but I feel like I'm the guy in charge, I think ;-) | 06:22 |
| highvoltage | ok | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | I guess I'll send a reply | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | I kinda feel bad, because it's kinda like "Yeah, we want to drop KDE Edu | 06:24 |
| lucasvo | LaserJock: isn't that true? | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | yes, but that's not really nice to say to the KDEEdu founder | 06:26 |
| pygi | LaserJock: I haven't said we wanna drop KDE Edu | 06:27 |
| pygi | lucasvo: and no, ofcourse I dont think that everyone should become Gnome user | 06:27 |
| pygi | lucasvo: that kind of attitude sucks heavily dude | 06:27 |
| lucasvo | pygi: this is not my attitude however it's quite similar. | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | but being able to drop KDEEdu *is* a part of why gallium was started | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | so I want to be careful | 06:28 |
| pygi | LaserJock: ups, you are right, might be that she saw my blog post where I mentioned Gallium | 06:28 |
| pygi | LaserJock: ah | 06:28 |
| lucasvo | pygi: Too bad gnome and kde do the same stuff and don't collaborate. I think it should be possible to develop something that pleases both users. | 06:29 |
| lucasvo | pygi: so I think, one should merge them. | 06:29 |
| pygi | lucasvo: Free (libre) world is about a choice | 06:29 |
| lucasvo | pygi: yes. | 06:29 |
| pygi | we're don't want to become Windows!! | 06:29 |
| pygi | we* | 06:29 |
| lucasvo | pygi: how comes that still major distributions all look the same? | 06:29 |
| pygi | lucasvo: you don't how wrong you are | 06:30 |
| lucasvo | pygi: ? | 06:30 |
| lucasvo | pygi: I don't see much difference in fedora, suse and ubuntu | 06:30 |
| pygi | I do, a lot of difference | 06:30 |
| lucasvo | what? | 06:30 |
| pygi | why aren't you part of fedora or suse community then? | 06:30 |
| pygi | why have you choosen the Ubuntu/Edubuntu? | 06:31 |
| lucasvo | because it used apt | 06:31 |
| pygi | lucasvo: do you know how & why Gnome was created?! | 06:31 |
| lucasvo | no | 06:31 |
| pygi | Because KDE was built on top of then propietarity (not free) QT | 06:31 |
| pygi | It was started to offer the user a freedom! | 06:31 |
| pygi | lucasvo: FYI, fedora & suse can also use apt | 06:32 |
| pygi | apt-rpm | 06:32 |
| lucasvo | so actually there is no reason anymore not to merge | 06:32 |
| pygi | there are reasons! | 06:32 |
| lucasvo | pygi: that the community has different taste? | 06:33 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I think 'drop' is also a strong word | 06:33 |
| pygi | lucasvo: uh, you don't understand :-/ | 06:33 |
| highvoltage | 'not included by default' is probably more accurate | 06:33 |
| lucasvo | highvoltage: not rely on it | 06:33 |
| pygi | highvoltage: I believe if we had space on cd, we'd include anything we can :P | 06:33 |
| highvoltage | since it would still be just an apt-get install away | 06:33 |
| highvoltage | pygi: that's probably true | 06:33 |
| pygi | highvoltage: one partial solution probably might be separating lang packs just for apps we ship | 06:34 |
| pygi | if that is possible | 06:34 |
| lucasvo | pygi: what big difference is there (for the user, not the developer) between QT and GTK? | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | there was/is some speed differente, and the look is just different | 06:35 |
| pygi | lucasvo: but it's not about the toolkits | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | yes | 06:35 |
| lucasvo | pygi: starting by having one toolkit would make portability between gnome and kde much easier. | 06:36 |
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| pygi | highvoltage: KDE-Edu and edubuntu | 06:37 |
| lucasvo | LaserJock: if that is your reason she'll say: Why didn't you just enhance kalzium? | 06:37 |
| pygi | the mail subject :) | 06:37 |
| highvoltage | pygi: read it :) | 06:37 |
| lucasvo | which is true | 06:37 |
| pygi | highvoltage: yay :) | 06:37 |
| highvoltage | well, it's a great way to work with a good upstream project | 06:37 |
| pygi | lucasvo: uh, uh, you have some fundamental thinking errors | 06:37 |
| pygi | about F/OSS world | 06:37 |
| lucasvo | I wouldn't call it errors. | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | lucasvo: because I want a GTK port of Kalzium, not kalzium | 06:38 |
| highvoltage | lucasvo: there are many others that feel the same | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | pygi and lucasvo: let's keep it civil | 06:39 |
| pygi | LaserJock: yes, I'll stop :) | 06:39 |
| highvoltage | lucasvo: we've come under fire in tuxlabs a bit for running kalzium on Xfce in tuXlabs | 06:39 |
| lucasvo | highvoltage: I lost track, feel the same than what? | 06:39 |
| highvoltage | people tell us it's inefficient to run apps that require different frameworks, wasting memory and resources | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 06:40 |
| highvoltage | lucasvo: people who want a GTK port of Kalzium | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | it's not *only* a disk space issue | 06:40 |
| highvoltage | lucasvo:don't get me wrong, I *love* the KDE-edu project, and I think we can support them whatever happens in the future | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | as highvoltage has said, running a KDE app in Gnome is slower and more memory intensive than running it in KDE | 06:41 |
| highvoltage | perhaps the Kubuntu team could even work on a edubuntu-kubuntu-desktop, that could include the kde-edu tools instead of edubnuntt(ehatever)-tools | 06:41 |
| lucasvo | kedubuntu? | 06:41 |
| highvoltage | perhaps | 06:41 |
| highvoltage | who kows? | 06:42 |
| highvoltage | perhaps we could even work on an edubuntu-add-on cd. I've been wanting to work on something like that for a while. | 06:42 |
| lucasvo | that sounds like a good idea | 06:42 |
| highvoltage | when I have my internet connection back next week, that would be possible again | 06:42 |
| lucasvo | highvoltage: however that "only" solves the space issue, not performance issue | 06:43 |
| highvoltage | that way you can make it easy for users to distribute kde-edu and it's libs, and even more additional tools that we'd like to see there. | 06:43 |
| lucasvo | btw, anyone contacted gperiodic and told them about gallium? | 06:43 |
| highvoltage | lucasvo: you're completely right, but it's at least a compromise and a temporary solution | 06:43 |
| lucasvo | highvoltage: of course it's not a bad idea. I'd like to have more edu software as well | 06:43 |
| lucasvo | mostly academic software, since edubuntu is not very useful for me anymore | 06:44 |
| pygi | lucasvo: is gperiodic developed anymore even? | 06:45 |
| lucasvo | pygi: don't think so | 06:45 |
| lucasvo | 1.3.3 Fri Jan 18 10:34:38 EST 2002 | 06:45 |
| lucasvo | last changelog entry | 06:45 |
| pygi | lucasvo: that's why I asked | 06:45 |
| lucasvo | pygi: but having the owner put a link onto the page that one should use gallium since it's more up to date would be nice | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | gperiodic is basically dead and I looked at the code | 06:47 |
| LaserJock | It's written in C and has a bad storage format for the data | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | umm | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | did somebody forward an email to ? | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | me | 07:00 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I don't know. we don't have access to your inbox :p | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | well, I just all of a sudden got an email about gallium | 07:06 |
| highvoltage | ah, from ogra? | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | no | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | apparently pygi started more then he intended | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | gallium is not a thread topic | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | as "hidden" port of Kalzium | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/ | 07:11 |
| nixternal | somebody offered me $25 for an Edubuntu CD today | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/ | 07:13 |
| highvoltage | nixternal: wow! | 07:13 |
| nixternal | I had told a couple of people about Ubuntu, and they were teachers, so I brought up Edubuntu, and I pulled a CD from my trusty bag, and I had them, hook-line-and-sinker | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | http://hardly.cubic.uni-koeln.de/pipermail/blue-obelisk/2006-September/000862.html | 07:14 |
| highvoltage | nixternal: our local lug had a stand at a big local show this week, and people had a tough time believeing that we didn't want to sell them stuff :) | 07:14 |
| nixternal | The lady asked, how much do those go for, after I explained "Free"...so i did a salesman, "well...ummm.." | 07:14 |
| nixternal | and she goes, I will give you $25 | 07:14 |
| nixternal | I said, $25 is to low, way to low | 07:14 |
| nixternal | but I will give you a few for free ;) | 07:14 |
| nixternal | i either have a couple new possible clients, or dates | 07:15 |
| nixternal | don't know yet | 07:15 |
| highvoltage | hmmm... so is blue obelisk essentially the same as gallium in concept? | 07:15 |
| nixternal | highvoltage: that rocks right there...we did the same and got the same reaction...so we started selling the CDs for $1 each, and donated to a Children's fund | 07:15 |
| highvoltage | nixternal: we sold some ubuntu cd's that we made ourselves (shipit couldn't get it here in time) for R10 (about US$2) and we're going to make t-shirts for everyone that volunteered on the stand | 07:17 |
| nixternal | ooh...you know what...that isn't that bad of an idea...i ahve the entire Ubuntu Chicago team hounding me for t-shirts | 07:17 |
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| highvoltage | heh :) | 07:17 |
| nixternal | i can get nice embroidered Ubuntu Chicago Polo shirts displaying all 4 logos for $18/ea | 07:18 |
| nixternal | awesome work...this lady did the shirts for a company i used to own when we did a golf outing | 07:18 |
| highvoltage | sounds cool | 07:18 |
| nixternal | I need about 50 ;( | 07:18 |
| nixternal | thats a lot of CDs at $1 | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | arrrggg | 07:18 |
| highvoltage | our t-shirts are simple blue golf shirts with the CLUG logo on... I think I can find a pic somewere... | 07:19 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: it is saturday, you better be with the wife, otherwise i think you will need to redecorate that dog-house | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | she's here and sick still :/ | 07:19 |
| nixternal | you better tend to her then ;) | 07:19 |
| highvoltage | http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/futurex2006/pict0196 <--- that's about the only one that I have | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | but this stupid gallium thing is going to give me a headache today :( | 07:20 |
| highvoltage | still have to upload the good photos I took :) | 07:20 |
| nixternal | now that would actually work right there | 07:20 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: in free software, whenever you're going to take on something worth while you're ultimately going to make some people angry | 07:20 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: don't let some dumb comments get to you, gallium is a good idea | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | oh freaking heck | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/27154.html#comments | 07:22 |
| nixternal | ahhh, talking about the kde-edu comments i take it | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | no, I got an email, a few actually | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | a little "WTF are you doing?" | 07:22 |
| highvoltage | geez | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | all from one sentence on planet.ubuntu.com | 07:23 |
| nixternal | ouch..i never seen that post right there | 07:23 |
| highvoltage | well, that's being uncollaborative, and not in line with any kind of good CoC | 07:23 |
| nixternal | i can understand the frustration though, i mean we work hand in hand with debian, and most of the time with the WM's as well | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | well, they don't have any facts | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | they didn't ask me or any gallium dev | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | we are not writing it from scratch | 07:25 |
| highvoltage | geez, some people we really nasty | 07:25 |
| highvoltage | the anger that powers those blog comments aren't backed by facts either | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | well, there aren't any facts | 07:26 |
| highvoltage | they even call canonical evil. what's so evil about them? they're just another random company. | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | we haven't even published any code | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | all we have is an LP page | 07:26 |
| highvoltage | they seem to have gfound some code on cbx33's website | 07:28 |
| highvoltage | (gfound being a very strange typo in this case :) ) | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | argg | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | they went trolling around for stuff, they took a lot of effort | 07:30 |
| nixternal | you know, that started off as a legit "grief" they had, over soemthing they really hadn't researched, which we know is stupid for one...and second, all it takes is for one idiot to start an anti-ubuntu/canonical flame war...jealous people are ignorant ;) | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | I don't even know where to begin | 07:34 |
| nixternal | truthfully, i wouldn't respond to the blog | 07:38 |
| nixternal | i would do it the professional way, as that blog is loaded with "nonsense" from people to scared to let the world know who they are | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | well, I just added myself to planet.u.c so maybe I could start a blog war ;-) | 07:38 |
| nixternal | if you are going to complain about something. let us know who you are, so we can contact you and talk it over | 07:39 |
| highvoltage | hehe | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: I'm not so worried about the blog as the 2 mailing lists it's on right now | 07:39 |
| nixternal | thats the saem as someone who complains about the government, and then during elections, they don't vote | 07:39 |
| nixternal | i seen it ont he dev list earlier | 07:39 |
| highvoltage | Anne-Marie did the decent thing, at least | 07:39 |
| highvoltage | I think it was big of here to send that message to edubuntu-devel | 07:39 |
| highvoltage | perhaps it's better to work with her as the leader instead, she can deal with all the kde-edut minions who are misbehaving. | 07:40 |
| nixternal | watch that tone of voice towards KDE* | 07:40 |
| nixternal | ;) | 07:40 |
| highvoltage | I meant it in the kindest possible way :) | 07:40 |
| nixternal | im off the leash today | 07:40 |
| nixternal | hehe | 07:41 |
| nixternal | i do however have a new saying for gnome users and c++ | 07:41 |
| nixternal | lol | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | well, the blog was from the Kalzium author | 07:42 |
| LaserJock | and there is a Blue Obelisk thread | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | where the emailed the author of another project called gallium | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | I've never heard of Blue Obelisk and they are mad at me for not joining their organization | 07:44 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I can't find that blog entry | 07:44 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: do you have a link for me? | 07:44 |
| highvoltage | I can't find it on laserjock.us | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | what? | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | I haven't done anything on laserjock.us | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | I just woke up | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | to this | 07:44 |
| highvoltage | ah ok. where i the blog entry where you said something about galium? | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | I didn't | 07:45 |
| highvoltage | aah, I see | 07:45 |
| highvoltage | ok, I thought this was sparked by a blog entry of yours. | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | pygi had *1* sentence about it on planet.u.c | 07:45 |
| highvoltage | geez, then the kde-edu people are even more touchy than I though | 07:45 |
| highvoltage | *thought | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | "ravis, Pete, and some more people started their work on Gallium, replacement for Kalzium, and we can already see some usable results." | 07:46 |
| highvoltage | Just found it :) | 07:46 |
| highvoltage | i think he should perhaps have said 'developing a GTK front-end to kalzium', instead of using the word 'replacement' | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | yes | 07:47 |
| highvoltage | people get touchy when they hear that word :) | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | but that's all it took | 07:47 |
| highvoltage | hectic | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | the thing is, I think I'm the one in Edubuntu that likes KDE the most | 07:47 |
| highvoltage | I might be second or third | 07:48 |
| highvoltage | I like KDE a lot, but not to the degree that I'm on any level passionate enough to fight for it | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | I have no problem with it and I'm very impressed with Kalzium | 07:49 |
| highvoltage | everytime the kalzium issue comes up, people in edubuntu have acknowledged hoe great kde and kalzium is. | 07:49 |
| highvoltage | even ogra, who isn't a fan of KDE, acknowledged the achievements of Kalzium and talked about all the awards that it has won, etc. | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | I just wanted to have an app in Gnome to be maybe as good | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | oh man, I actuall read the blog comments | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | I totally just want to cry right now | 08:04 |
| pygi | bleh, now go ahead and attack me for mentioning gallium :) | 08:04 |
| pygi | LaserJock: what comments? /me doesn't see any comments | 08:06 |
| nixternal | i will fight for KDE ;) | 08:08 |
| nixternal | I say we have a GNOME vs. KDE Wrestlemania! | 08:08 |
| nixternal | actually, that is a bad idea, i recently seen an image of the KDE hackers, and it was quite scary | 08:08 |
| LaserJock | pygi: I don't blame you. It was a pretty innocent comment. | 08:09 |
| LaserJock | pygi: http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/27154.html#comments | 08:09 |
| nixternal | ya, pygi isn't to blame at all, they took everything out of context in the blog, and instead of contacting us, they decided to start a flame war..more than likely just a feeble attempt to get people to visit their blog | 08:10 |
| pygi | LaserJock: bleh, won't even read that. I hate that Gnome VS. KDE stuff | 08:10 |
| pygi | I develop for both platforms, so what, go ahead and kill me now :P | 08:10 |
| nixternal | it seems that, that is the intention of many of these types of blog posts in the first place..if i can get you to visit my site and get upset about something with ubuntu, I have won, because you will keep checking back to see the comments | 08:10 |
| LaserJock | well, I wouldn't bother if it was just some guy | 08:11 |
| LaserJock | but that's *the* Kalzium developer | 08:11 |
| pygi | whatever, lemme comment | 08:11 |
| LaserJock | pygi: tbh, I'd rather you stay low, if you don't mind. It's not your project and you didn't do anything wrong | 08:12 |
| nixternal | Edubuntu-folks prefere to rewrite Kalzium from scratch instead of packaging Kalzium. | 08:12 |
| nixternal | so, this version of kalzium on my machine, how did it get there? if we didn't package it? | 08:13 |
| pygi | LaserJock: but this was my mess | 08:13 |
| nixternal | alrighty all...i need to get a life and back away from the keyboard for a little while | 08:14 |
| nixternal | i shall return later to devulge in my life as a Kubuntu & Edubuntu junky! | 08:14 |
| nixternal | ttyl | 08:14 |
| pygi | LaserJock: so should probably be my responsability to clean it up | 08:16 |
| pygi | LaserJock: but ok, will stop | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | pygi: well, it's really my mess | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | you just helped ;-) | 08:17 |
| pygi | LaserJock: heh, thanks for comforting me | 08:17 |
| pygi | :P | 08:17 |
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| LaserJock | well | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | I guess so | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | I'm writing edubuntu-devel now | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | hopefully clarify that one | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | and then I'll email this Blue Obelisk group | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | and leave the blog alone, although it has a huge amount of misinformation | 08:19 |
| pygi | LaserJock: please cc me if possible | 08:19 |
| LaserJock | pygi: ok, I probably won't on edubuntu-devel since I assume you get it ;-) | 08:19 |
| pygi | LaserJock: right | 08:20 |
| pygi | this is particulary idiotic: | 08:23 |
| pygi | The guys who started that project seem to be religious butt heads that are living in their small narrow world (like the maintainer of Edubuntu whom I know personally). | 08:23 |
| pygi | I mean wth?! | 08:23 |
| === highvoltage wonders who that is | ||
| highvoltage | ogra definately doesn't live in a narrow little world | 08:26 |
| highvoltage | neither does anyone else I can think of in Edubuntu | 08:26 |
| LaserJock | yeah, can you imagine seb128 adding KDE-Edu to Ubuntu? ;-) | 08:26 |
| highvoltage | :) | 08:27 |
| Amaranth | I seem to remember the whole point of gallium being getting rid of the massive i18n packages pulled in for a few small apps | 08:30 |
| LaserJock | *cough* | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | well, for me it was a little more lofty goal | 08:32 |
| highvoltage | lofty? | 08:32 |
| LaserJock | I find Gnome sorely lacking in educational apps | 08:32 |
| === highvoltage never knew that Americans used that word | ||
| LaserJock | we can speak some decent English... if we want to | 08:32 |
| highvoltage | hehe :) | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | ok, edubuntu-devel email sent | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | on to Blue Obelisk | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | I feel bad because they sent those emails to the other gallium project | 08:35 |
| pygi | LaserJock: uhm, really? :-/ | 08:35 |
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| LaserJock | yeah, I found out after I made the LP product that there is a gallium project for a Carbon emulator | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | which is soooo totally different then our project that I didn't think it'd be a big problem | 08:36 |
| pygi | o joy | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | but apparently they didn't read the project homepage before the blasted email to the poor guy | 08:36 |
| === pygi should really stop blogging :P | ||
| LaserJock | no, dude, really | 08:37 |
| pygi | ah, well, two months without internet should settle everything :P | 08:37 |
| LaserJock | in a way it's good to have this now | 08:37 |
| LaserJock | rather then when we actually *had* a release :-) | 08:37 |
| Amaranth | The other gallium project is dead | 08:38 |
| Amaranth | starting in 01 and has no code available | 08:38 |
| pygi | Amaranth: some guy in comments is talking about some personal branch or whateva | 08:39 |
| pygi | http://www.progbox.co.uk/gallium/ | 08:39 |
| Amaranth | that's my code | 08:40 |
| Amaranth | back later | 08:40 |
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| pygi | will brb, soon hopefully | 08:44 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 08:48 |
| LaserJock | why isn't my email showing up :/ | 08:51 |
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| LaserJock | heh | 08:55 |
| cbx33 | Hey Mr Late Night | 08:56 |
| jbrefort | LaserJock, I read carsten's blog and ca'nt understand why he is so agressive, he is much more kind usually | 08:56 |
| jbrefort | LaserJock, I'd like to have some discussion about Gallium with you, since the wiki page does not says a lot | 08:57 |
| cbx33 | oooh gallium talk | 08:58 |
| LaserJock | jbrefort: let's go to #gallium | 08:58 |
| jbrefort | ok | 08:58 |
| highvoltage | hey cbx33 | 09:04 |
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| littlepaul | ping ogra :) | 09:24 |
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| littlepaul | hi mdz | 09:27 |
| LaserJock | Amaranth do you have a minut in #gallium? | 09:31 |
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| pygi | hello from fresh beta installation :) | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | cool | 09:56 |
| pygi | LaserJock, care to point me again to that comment page? | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | do I have to? ;-) | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to stay calm ;-) | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/27154.html#comments | 09:58 |
| pygi | not really, no :) | 09:58 |
| pygi | thanks | 09:59 |
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| LaserJock | ok, well we sort of fixed that one | 10:21 |
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| pygi | HedgeMage :) | 10:46 |
| HedgeMage | hi pygi | 10:47 |
| HedgeMage | I thought you were moving? | 10:47 |
| pygi | HedgeMage, early Monday | 10:53 |
| HedgeMage | ahh okay | 10:54 |
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| cbx333 | hi all | 10:56 |
| === cbx333 is now known as cbx33 | ||
| pygi | hey cbx33 | 10:59 |
| cbx33 | hey pygi | 10:59 |
| pygi | cbx33, auth yourself pls :P | 11:00 |
| cbx33 | heard about gallium | 11:00 |
| HedgeMage | hi cbx33 | 11:01 |
| cbx33 | hi hedgemage | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | hi cbx33 | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: do you know c++? | 11:06 |
| cbx33 | little | 11:07 |
| cbx33 | and only in windows environment | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | well, gallium is no more | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | we had a good talk | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | and the periodic table in gchemutils is more developed | 11:09 |
| cbx33 | ok, i'll delete my repo | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | and is pretty well established in the chemistry software world | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | I do think we should continue working on this idea though | 11:09 |
| cbx33 | why didn't we know about it? | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | well | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | I knew of gchemutils | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | but I didn't know they had a full periodic table | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | and they've had a hard time getting it in the repos | 11:10 |
| cbx33 | in what way continue | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | because of various deps, etc. | 11:11 |
| cbx33 | ahhhh | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | it's in now | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | but it was a bit of a process | 11:11 |
| cbx33 | cooool | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | so I didn't look into it much | 11:11 |
| cbx33 | ok | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | but it is a more complete chemistry package | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | which I think would be really good for Edubuntu | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | and apparently it is done by on that one dev | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | ok | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | http://gchemutils.nongnu.org/ is the homepage | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | i'm gonna remove my branch | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | so I'm going to learn some C++ | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | and try to help out | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | ok | 11:13 |
| pygi | LaserJock, gtkmm is used for GTK period table? | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | and hopefully Edgy+1 will have a cool chemistry suite | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | not sure | 11:13 |
| === pygi would assume so since it's c++ | ||
| LaserJock | I'll bbiab | 11:14 |
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| Laser_away | got to run a couple errands | 11:14 |
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| lucasvo | by any chance, is it possible, that edubuntu install didn't ask me which hostname I want to use? | 11:47 |
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