=== cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [12:18] hi cbx33 === ubuntu [n=ubuntu@89-172-193-33.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [12:19] hello folks [12:20] 3 tries of fresh beta install, 3 different set of problems [12:20] first: installations breaks on broken cups package [12:20] second: the user isn't created [12:20] third: no X && GDM existance [12:21] heh, fun [12:21] hey LaserJock [12:22] LaserJock: indeed, fun :) [12:22] I think perhaps 1) is a known thing perhaps [12:22] LaserJock, I just managed to get CounterStrike Source running on linux ;) [12:22] heh, good for you [12:22] LaserJock: I think 1) was supposed to be fixed :P [12:23] LaserJock: and howcome on second and third try it didn't happen? :P [12:23] I've been spending the day avoiding a nervous breakdown ;-) [12:23] whaaa>? [12:23] y? [12:23] ubuntu: not sure, odd [12:24] cbx33: oh, the usual. Very tired today, plus lots and lots of "stuff" [12:26] yeh? [12:26] server still doing good? [12:26] I think so === ubuntu would like to get some answers if possible;) [12:27] ubuntu: ask #ubuntu+1 [12:27] I really don't know [12:27] this is edubuntu :P [12:27] sure [12:27] ahm, oki [12:27] but the installation is the same [12:28] pretty much [12:28] I don't think you're issues are edubuntu specific [12:28] will do === ubuntu [n=ubuntu@89-172-193-33.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #edubuntu [] === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [12:49] LaserJock, sorry dude I'm here now [12:49] howz it all going === glasswalkertheur [n=glasswal@ip70-160-227-22.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:51] hello all [12:53] I am having lockup problems, now on lots of apps (poor trouble shooting I think) [12:53] A friend mentioned via chipset problems, anyone have any ideas? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [01:00] possible via chipset problem [01:01] glasswalkertheur: you could check launchpad to see if a bug has been filed about it [01:01] how would I do that [01:01] http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs [01:02] thanks, I will take a look [01:03] is their any way to identify the actual chipset, w/o firing up BartPE? [01:03] lspci? [01:03] cosole app? [01:03] yeah [01:04] console :-) [01:04] worked great, many thanks === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego [n=cafuego@59.167.191.160] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === axl000 [n=axl@88-7-28.dial.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [03:51] where is mhz?? [03:53] not here apparently [03:53] :/ [03:54] axl000: All 2000 of them are currently in my PC. === mhz [n=mhz@174-24-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [04:05] hola mhz === acersales [n=acersale@60.52.230.34] has joined #edubuntu [04:05] estaba preguntndo por ti === axl000 [n=axl@88-7-28.dial.terra.cl] has left #edubuntu [] === axl000 [n=axl@88-7-28.dial.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [04:14] mhz? === axl000 [n=axl@88-7-28.dial.terra.cl] has left #edubuntu [] [05:06] ooops [05:06] re === mhz slaps himself for turning beep down === acersales [n=acersale@60.52.230.34] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === cafuego_ [n=cafuego@59.167.191.160] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_off === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal is now known as Chumpuntu === Chumpuntu is now known as nixternal === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.107.16] has joined #edubuntu [06:33] greetings === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego [n=cafuego@59.167.191.160] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [09:22] hi Burgundavia === ubuntu [n=ubuntu@89-172-198-182.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === ubuntu is now known as pygi [09:38] eh, this was bad [09:38] what was? [09:38] HedgeMage: using beta install cd [09:39] ahh [09:40] it isn't usable [09:41] I just upgraded tonight [09:42] LaserJock: I tried doing fresh installation from beta install cd === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-165-211-101.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=ubuntu@89-172-203-22.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage prods RichEd-1 to see if it's alive. [10:53] Guess not. [10:54] HedgeMage: you read the post? :) [10:54] morning all [10:54] What post? [10:55] HedgeMage: the one on planet I told you to read? :P === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [10:56] reading now... it's hard to read because it's missing a couple of newlines [10:57] ahh, cool... good of you to mention the Handbook stuff. [10:59] HedgeMage: :) [10:59] HedgeMage: yes, sorry about newlines, my fault again :P [10:59] np [11:00] probably wouldn't have bugged me if I weren't half asleep [11:00] hehe :) [11:04] HedgeMage: monday very early morning I'm outta hear [11:04] here* [11:04] HedgeMage: you can try contacting me by mail. hopefully I'll visit some internet caffe's so I could respond to everyone === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [11:05] dunno how long before I'm done moving & with internet access === HedgeMage nods [11:11] understood === HedgeMage hugs pygi [11:11] good luck! [11:12] yay, thanks :) === pygi [n=ubuntu@89-172-239-100.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === ubuntu__ [n=ubuntu@89-172-207-142.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === ubuntu___ [n=ubuntu@89-172-192-159.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === ubuntu__ [n=ubuntu@89-172-193-80.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [12:08] umm, hi Pete === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === skwashd [n=skwashd@phpgroupware/skwashd] has joined #edubuntu [12:22] hi all [12:22] i decided to restart with using the edgy beta [12:22] but i can't find the ppc live cd [12:22] is there not meant to be done ? [12:23] skwashd: I think you can find it at archive.ubuntu.com/ubunt/ but I don't know the exact path. [12:24] no sorry [12:25] skwashd: I meant cdimage.ubuntu.com [12:25] lucasvo: i couldn't find it there, on my ISP's mirror or releases.ubuntu.com [12:26] skwashd: I actually donn't seea beta at all. [12:26] are you sure it's already released? [12:26] got a daily live [12:26] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/current/ [12:26] that's not bad [12:26] lucasvo: the others have been [12:26] I'd take this as well [12:27] lucasvo: i suppose that will have to do then === ubuntu__ is now known as pygi [12:34] hi lucasvo === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu [12:41] hi juliux === rodarvus_ [n=rodarvus@200.146.65.232.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #edubuntu [01:11] skwashd, the ppc livecd was oversized (apparently still is) due to a bug with the archive software ... so we couldnt release it [01:12] it should still work if you use 800MB media or a DVD to brun it to [01:12] ogra: larger than 700M ? [01:12] yes [01:12] hmmm ok [01:12] thanks [01:12] launchpad had (has) a hiccup :/ === thirdalbum [n=chris@168.017.dsl.pth.iprimus.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [01:12] edgy-live-powerpc.iso 30-Sep-2006 00:58 744M === thirdalbum [n=chris@168.017.dsl.pth.iprimus.net.au] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [01:13] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20060928.1/ has the iso that *would* have been released without that big [01:13] *bug [01:13] its identical to the other betas [01:14] ogra: ok ... i think i will wait for the size issue to be resolved then [01:14] do you actually need a live version ? the install CD is fine [01:14] http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edgy/ [01:15] ogra: for doing a multi arch install [01:15] ah, right :/ [01:16] ogra: :) [01:16] for now i think i will just go with xubuntu on the laptop [01:56] what's the bug? [01:56] ohi see [01:56] archive software === pygi [n=ubuntu@89-172-199-111.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === chrismo [n=chris@rdlax12-a162.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === skwashd [n=skwashd@phpgroupware/skwashd] has left #edubuntu ["tia"] === Malcolm_ [n=chatzill@user-0c8hk95.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:34] I'm using ubuntu at the moment, but I'm planning to set up one computer as a server and others as workstations(at least one development/web server, and one for educational and gaming purposes). what're the advantages to edubuntu? does edubuntu have everything ubuntu has? and should I install all edubuntu or all but 1 ubuntu or kubuntu and 1 worksation /w edubuntu? [03:35] edubuntu has ltsp out of the box, and more 'educational/kiddie' apps [03:35] if those are advantages, there you go :) [03:35] edubuntu doesnt have the same package selection as ubuntu === KeeN [n=keen@9.251.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu [04:03] ahoy [04:04] hey [04:06] I need help ... I just installed Ubuntu and I'm trying to configure my graphic card ... === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [04:33] Howdy [04:55] howdy mr bddebian! [04:56] Heya highvoltage === dibs [n=chatzill@host81-156-14-100.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #edubuntu [04:58] hello everyone [04:59] hi i'm new to linux and am currently doing my final year dissertation on open/free software for education [05:01] does anybody know how to get the root password [05:02] anyone here? [05:04] ? [05:09] egh. just missed dibs. I wish people were a bit more patient :) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [05:38] highvoltage: ping, have a sec? [05:39] pygi: yep [05:40] if all goes well I'll have Internet at home again from Wednesday [05:40] that will make my life so, so much easier [05:40] highvoltage: do you know do we have to ship entire KDE language packs because of KDE-Edu? [05:41] highvoltage: or do we have them separated? [05:41] I don't know the exact details, I know that the language packs we do ship for the kde apps are bigger than the gnome ones === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.107.238] has joined #edubuntu [05:42] pygi: oh, sorry, I understand your question now, the anser is yes :) [05:42] it's because of KDE-edu [05:43] highvoltage: thank you :) [05:43] pygi: how is it going? [05:44] highvoltage: good and busy :) Preparing for moving :) [05:44] highvoltage: what about you? [05:45] going good. had a hectic week, was at an expo so didn't get to do much work [05:45] next week I'll be playing catchup again [05:45] nice :) [05:45] but things are getting more organised for me, so I'm glad [05:45] Let's see how I will go :) Dunno how long will I be without internet :P [05:45] there's less and less times where I have to get frustrated because of delays, etc [05:46] nice :) [05:46] pygi: well, I've been without internet at home for nearly a year now. IT SUX! [05:46] highvoltage: right, indeed [05:46] next week I'm getting a high-speed wireless connection, I can't wait :) [05:46] highvoltage: but being without internet in time for UDS and Hungarian conference is bad :P [05:46] RichEd-1: ping, could I grab you for a second? [05:48] i doubt he's there :) [05:48] right, ergh, dunno if I'm allowed to say something :) [05:48] ah, nevermind then :) === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [05:55] highvoltage: trying to write sensful mail to Anne-Marie [05:55] that is a joy :P [06:00] who is Anne-Marie? [06:02] !restrictedformats [06:02] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [06:03] highvoltage: founder of KDE-Edu :P [06:03] aaah :) === caravena [n=caravena@78-65-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [06:08] I wonder how she found out about Gallium [06:09] lucasvo: Gallium is not a secret [06:09] this is FOSS world [06:10] pygi: but for example google gives me only the launchpad hit [06:10] lucasvo: You would except KDE-Edu founder to be interested in Edubuntu ;) [06:10] pygi: what will you write? [06:10] it won't be hard [06:10] lucasvo: I wrote it already [06:11] just got it while I was typing [06:11] it's a compromise beetween what I really wanted to write [06:11] I cannot talk about some things :) [06:13] pygi: you mean some sort of: Get real and becoma a gnome user. KDE s**** that's why we made gallium? ;) [06:14] I don't quite understand, why is there so much hostility against the creation of gallium? [06:15] highvoltage: usually I am also against creating things twice. but in this case, I don't see a better solution [06:15] it's a huge amount of work being done twice. which could also be invested in other edu apps === lguerra [i=lguerra@200.21.93.195] has joined #edubuntu [06:16] it's not as much as creating it from scracth though, since gallium will use the data from kalzium, so it's a very small part of the work that's being duplicated [06:16] highvoltage: keeping bug free, creating packages, making publicity... [06:17] maintainaning the chemical data is not that big, since most of it is already well known and not in research anymore [06:19] gallium was metioned on planet by pygi === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [06:20] i think publicity and creating packages are minor compared to the CD space problem [06:21] I think in the end it comes down to is priorities [06:21] unforunately you always have to make some sacrifice [06:21] hi LaserJock [06:21] highvoltage: I can understand the problem if you look at it as "Edubuntu ships KDEEdu, Edubuntu is also developing a GTK port of Kalzium" [06:22] but I don't feel like "Edubuntu" is developing Gallium [06:22] it's not speced [06:22] yep [06:22] LaserJock: you're developing it, right? [06:22] well, I started it [06:22] I haven't done any of the code yet [06:22] but I feel like I'm the guy in charge, I think ;-) [06:23] ok [06:24] I guess I'll send a reply [06:24] I kinda feel bad, because it's kinda like "Yeah, we want to drop KDE Edu [06:26] LaserJock: isn't that true? [06:26] yes, but that's not really nice to say to the KDEEdu founder [06:27] LaserJock: I haven't said we wanna drop KDE Edu [06:27] lucasvo: and no, ofcourse I dont think that everyone should become Gnome user [06:27] lucasvo: that kind of attitude sucks heavily dude [06:28] pygi: this is not my attitude however it's quite similar. [06:28] but being able to drop KDEEdu *is* a part of why gallium was started [06:28] so I want to be careful [06:28] LaserJock: ups, you are right, might be that she saw my blog post where I mentioned Gallium [06:28] LaserJock: ah [06:29] pygi: Too bad gnome and kde do the same stuff and don't collaborate. I think it should be possible to develop something that pleases both users. [06:29] pygi: so I think, one should merge them. [06:29] lucasvo: Free (libre) world is about a choice [06:29] pygi: yes. [06:29] we're don't want to become Windows!! [06:29] we* [06:29] pygi: how comes that still major distributions all look the same? [06:30] lucasvo: you don't how wrong you are [06:30] pygi: ? [06:30] pygi: I don't see much difference in fedora, suse and ubuntu [06:30] I do, a lot of difference [06:30] what? [06:30] why aren't you part of fedora or suse community then? [06:31] why have you choosen the Ubuntu/Edubuntu? [06:31] because it used apt [06:31] lucasvo: do you know how & why Gnome was created?! [06:31] no [06:31] Because KDE was built on top of then propietarity (not free) QT [06:31] It was started to offer the user a freedom! [06:32] lucasvo: FYI, fedora & suse can also use apt [06:32] apt-rpm [06:32] so actually there is no reason anymore not to merge [06:32] there are reasons! [06:33] pygi: that the community has different taste? [06:33] LaserJock: I think 'drop' is also a strong word [06:33] lucasvo: uh, you don't understand :-/ [06:33] 'not included by default' is probably more accurate [06:33] highvoltage: not rely on it [06:33] highvoltage: I believe if we had space on cd, we'd include anything we can :P [06:33] since it would still be just an apt-get install away [06:33] pygi: that's probably true [06:34] highvoltage: one partial solution probably might be separating lang packs just for apps we ship [06:34] if that is possible [06:34] pygi: what big difference is there (for the user, not the developer) between QT and GTK? [06:35] there was/is some speed differente, and the look is just different [06:35] lucasvo: but it's not about the toolkits [06:35] yes [06:36] pygi: starting by having one toolkit would make portability between gnome and kde much easier. === highvoltage catches up with e-mail nd has a better understanding of what this is about [06:37] highvoltage: KDE-Edu and edubuntu [06:37] LaserJock: if that is your reason she'll say: Why didn't you just enhance kalzium? [06:37] the mail subject :) [06:37] pygi: read it :) [06:37] which is true [06:37] highvoltage: yay :) [06:37] well, it's a great way to work with a good upstream project [06:37] lucasvo: uh, uh, you have some fundamental thinking errors [06:37] about F/OSS world [06:38] I wouldn't call it errors. [06:38] lucasvo: because I want a GTK port of Kalzium, not kalzium [06:39] lucasvo: there are many others that feel the same [06:39] pygi and lucasvo: let's keep it civil [06:39] LaserJock: yes, I'll stop :) [06:39] lucasvo: we've come under fire in tuxlabs a bit for running kalzium on Xfce in tuXlabs [06:39] highvoltage: I lost track, feel the same than what? [06:40] people tell us it's inefficient to run apps that require different frameworks, wasting memory and resources [06:40] yeah [06:40] lucasvo: people who want a GTK port of Kalzium [06:40] it's not *only* a disk space issue [06:40] lucasvo:don't get me wrong, I *love* the KDE-edu project, and I think we can support them whatever happens in the future [06:41] as highvoltage has said, running a KDE app in Gnome is slower and more memory intensive than running it in KDE [06:41] perhaps the Kubuntu team could even work on a edubuntu-kubuntu-desktop, that could include the kde-edu tools instead of edubnuntt(ehatever)-tools [06:41] kedubuntu? [06:41] perhaps [06:42] who kows? [06:42] perhaps we could even work on an edubuntu-add-on cd. I've been wanting to work on something like that for a while. [06:42] that sounds like a good idea [06:42] when I have my internet connection back next week, that would be possible again [06:43] highvoltage: however that "only" solves the space issue, not performance issue [06:43] that way you can make it easy for users to distribute kde-edu and it's libs, and even more additional tools that we'd like to see there. [06:43] btw, anyone contacted gperiodic and told them about gallium? [06:43] lucasvo: you're completely right, but it's at least a compromise and a temporary solution [06:43] highvoltage: of course it's not a bad idea. I'd like to have more edu software as well [06:44] mostly academic software, since edubuntu is not very useful for me anymore [06:45] lucasvo: is gperiodic developed anymore even? [06:45] pygi: don't think so [06:45] 1.3.3 Fri Jan 18 10:34:38 EST 2002 [06:45] last changelog entry [06:45] lucasvo: that's why I asked [06:46] pygi: but having the owner put a link onto the page that one should use gallium since it's more up to date would be nice [06:47] gperiodic is basically dead and I looked at the code [06:48] It's written in C and has a bad storage format for the data [07:00] umm [07:00] did somebody forward an email to ? [07:00] me [07:05] LaserJock: I don't know. we don't have access to your inbox :p [07:06] well, I just all of a sudden got an email about gallium [07:10] ah, from ogra? [07:10] no [07:10] apparently pygi started more then he intended [07:11] gallium is not a thread topic [07:11] as "hidden" port of Kalzium [07:11] http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/ [07:13] somebody offered me $25 for an Edubuntu CD today [07:13] http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/ [07:13] nixternal: wow! [07:13] I had told a couple of people about Ubuntu, and they were teachers, so I brought up Edubuntu, and I pulled a CD from my trusty bag, and I had them, hook-line-and-sinker [07:14] http://hardly.cubic.uni-koeln.de/pipermail/blue-obelisk/2006-September/000862.html [07:14] nixternal: our local lug had a stand at a big local show this week, and people had a tough time believeing that we didn't want to sell them stuff :) [07:14] The lady asked, how much do those go for, after I explained "Free"...so i did a salesman, "well...ummm.." [07:14] and she goes, I will give you $25 [07:14] I said, $25 is to low, way to low [07:14] but I will give you a few for free ;) [07:15] i either have a couple new possible clients, or dates [07:15] don't know yet [07:15] hmmm... so is blue obelisk essentially the same as gallium in concept? [07:15] highvoltage: that rocks right there...we did the same and got the same reaction...so we started selling the CDs for $1 each, and donated to a Children's fund [07:17] nixternal: we sold some ubuntu cd's that we made ourselves (shipit couldn't get it here in time) for R10 (about US$2) and we're going to make t-shirts for everyone that volunteered on the stand [07:17] ooh...you know what...that isn't that bad of an idea...i ahve the entire Ubuntu Chicago team hounding me for t-shirts === jbrefort [n=jean@lns-bzn-58-82-251-208-165.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:17] heh :) [07:18] i can get nice embroidered Ubuntu Chicago Polo shirts displaying all 4 logos for $18/ea [07:18] awesome work...this lady did the shirts for a company i used to own when we did a golf outing [07:18] sounds cool [07:18] I need about 50 ;( [07:18] thats a lot of CDs at $1 [07:18] arrrggg [07:19] our t-shirts are simple blue golf shirts with the CLUG logo on... I think I can find a pic somewere... [07:19] LaserJock: it is saturday, you better be with the wife, otherwise i think you will need to redecorate that dog-house [07:19] she's here and sick still :/ [07:19] you better tend to her then ;) [07:20] http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/futurex2006/pict0196 <--- that's about the only one that I have [07:20] but this stupid gallium thing is going to give me a headache today :( [07:20] still have to upload the good photos I took :) [07:20] now that would actually work right there [07:20] LaserJock: in free software, whenever you're going to take on something worth while you're ultimately going to make some people angry [07:21] LaserJock: don't let some dumb comments get to you, gallium is a good idea [07:21] oh freaking heck [07:22] http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/27154.html#comments [07:22] ahhh, talking about the kde-edu comments i take it [07:22] no, I got an email, a few actually [07:22] a little "WTF are you doing?" [07:23] geez [07:23] all from one sentence on planet.ubuntu.com [07:23] ouch..i never seen that post right there [07:23] well, that's being uncollaborative, and not in line with any kind of good CoC [07:24] i can understand the frustration though, i mean we work hand in hand with debian, and most of the time with the WM's as well [07:24] well, they don't have any facts [07:24] they didn't ask me or any gallium dev [07:25] we are not writing it from scratch [07:25] geez, some people we really nasty [07:26] the anger that powers those blog comments aren't backed by facts either [07:26] well, there aren't any facts [07:26] they even call canonical evil. what's so evil about them? they're just another random company. [07:26] we haven't even published any code [07:26] all we have is an LP page [07:28] they seem to have gfound some code on cbx33's website [07:29] (gfound being a very strange typo in this case :) ) [07:29] argg [07:30] they went trolling around for stuff, they took a lot of effort [07:34] you know, that started off as a legit "grief" they had, over soemthing they really hadn't researched, which we know is stupid for one...and second, all it takes is for one idiot to start an anti-ubuntu/canonical flame war...jealous people are ignorant ;) [07:34] I don't even know where to begin [07:38] truthfully, i wouldn't respond to the blog [07:38] i would do it the professional way, as that blog is loaded with "nonsense" from people to scared to let the world know who they are [07:38] well, I just added myself to planet.u.c so maybe I could start a blog war ;-) [07:39] if you are going to complain about something. let us know who you are, so we can contact you and talk it over [07:39] hehe [07:39] nixternal: I'm not so worried about the blog as the 2 mailing lists it's on right now [07:39] thats the saem as someone who complains about the government, and then during elections, they don't vote [07:39] i seen it ont he dev list earlier [07:39] Anne-Marie did the decent thing, at least [07:39] I think it was big of here to send that message to edubuntu-devel [07:40] perhaps it's better to work with her as the leader instead, she can deal with all the kde-edut minions who are misbehaving. [07:40] watch that tone of voice towards KDE* [07:40] ;) [07:40] I meant it in the kindest possible way :) [07:40] im off the leash today [07:41] hehe [07:41] i do however have a new saying for gnome users and c++ [07:41] lol [07:42] well, the blog was from the Kalzium author [07:43] and there is a Blue Obelisk thread [07:43] where the emailed the author of another project called gallium [07:44] I've never heard of Blue Obelisk and they are mad at me for not joining their organization [07:44] LaserJock: I can't find that blog entry [07:44] LaserJock: do you have a link for me? [07:44] I can't find it on laserjock.us [07:44] what? [07:44] I haven't done anything on laserjock.us [07:44] I just woke up [07:44] to this [07:45] ah ok. where i the blog entry where you said something about galium? [07:45] I didn't [07:45]