[12:25] <Viper550> hello?
[12:28] <rouzic> Hi
[12:30] <Viper550> Where's kwwii? I haven't seen him in awhile
[12:30] <rouzic> I have a problem with Ktorrent's download
[12:31] <imbrandon> Viper550, he is on holiday in dublin
[12:32] <rouzic> Since I updated to the version 2.0.2 of the repositories backports, the exhausts in Ktorrent do not increase of 10 Kb's
[12:32] <Viper550> Hmm, guess I won't be able to SHARE THIS KMENU SIDEBAR I MADE... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/Viper550
[12:32] <imbrandon> sure the -art ML works great for that
[12:32] <rouzic> Wow Viper550, it's good :)
[12:33] <imbrandon> and no real need for caps ;)
[12:33] <Viper550> I was just emphasizing (man, IRC needs support for bold text!)
[12:33] <imbrandon> Viper550, hum i think the current gradient works with the current windeco better
[12:34] <imbrandon> Viper550, and i was just stateing there was no need ;)
[12:34] <Viper550> Yeah, the last sidebar was based off the windowborder too, but this one matches along with the new one
[12:34] <imbrandon> no it dosent
[12:34] <imbrandon> thats what i just said ;)
[12:35] <Viper550> Umm... http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/original.php?release=662&slide=48
[12:36] <imbrandon> thats no where NEAR the artwork that is in edgy
[12:36] <Viper550> (that was Dapper) http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/original.php?release=739&slide=14
[12:36] <imbrandon> that isnt current either
[12:37] <Viper550> First one was Dapper, 2nd one was Edgy Knot 3
[12:37] <imbrandon> but alot has changed since knot3
[12:38] <Viper550> screenshot please?
[12:43] <imbrandon> the art mailing list or -art irc room is better suited for this but http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution=Kubuntu%206.10%20Beta  ( its in the release notes on kubuntu.org FYI )
[12:45] <Viper550> OMG! They used my panel background!
[12:45] <imbrandon> no , me and kwwii made that pannel BG
[12:46] <imbrandon> what gives you that idea
[12:46] <imbrandon> and again why is this an OMG! ?
[12:46] <Viper550> I also made a glossy panel
[12:47] <imbrandon> ...
[12:48] <Viper550> (scroll down to Viper550 - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas )
[12:50] <nixternal> haha...wtg imbrandon ;)
[12:51] <imbrandon> ... did he not notice the gradients are totaly diffrent in his and ours ? and he even made his
[12:51] <nixternal> if you look at his artwork, i would tend to think he is blind 
[12:51] <imbrandon> he just irks me since he dosent even use any form of ubuntu
[12:51] <nixternal> not that it is bad, but doesn't match the current
[12:51] <imbrandon> *cough*fedora*cough*
[12:52] <nixternal> ouch
[12:52] <nixternal> i was forced, at first, to use fedora at school...but i got permission to use a live cd...now i boot the edgy beta cd, and then load everything off of my usb stick
[12:52] <nixternal> thank god
[12:53] <nixternal> and my irssi startup script works with it as well
[12:53] <imbrandon> haha 
[12:53] <imbrandon> i found out
[12:53] <imbrandon> you dont need to do that 
[12:53] <imbrandon> you can make bip auth before jooin
[12:54] <imbrandon> so now i dont bother wit the irssi start|stop
[12:54] <nixternal> for real?
[12:54] <imbrandon> i supose you want me to ssh into the server and look at my conf to tell you how
[12:54] <nixternal> ;wait 2000
[12:54] <imbrandon> no
[12:54] <nixternal> hahaha
[12:55] <imbrandon> you put your nickserv password in as the irc server password and it auth's you
[12:55] <nixternal> ahh ya
[12:55] <imbrandon> but thats not in the doc's trial and error got it to work for me
[12:55] <imbrandon> one sec
[12:55] <nixternal> well, this way here though, my irssi is up and rocking on the server, so now i just ssh into my server from the road and i have irc
[12:56] <nixternal> although...i prefer konversation, so working it so it auths is good, and it would be 1 less mass memory absorbing app running in the background ;p
[12:56] <imbrandon>         connection {
[12:56] <imbrandon>                 name = "freenode";              # used by bip only
[12:57] <imbrandon>                 network = "freenode";   # which ircnet to connect to
[12:57] <imbrandon>                 password = "blahblah";
[12:57] <imbrandon>                 # these will be sent to the real server
[12:57] <imbrandon>                 user = "imbrandon";
[12:57] <imbrandon>                 realname = "Brandon Holtsclaw";
[12:57] <imbrandon>                 # Some options:
[12:57] <imbrandon>                 #away_nick = "bip`away";
[12:57] <imbrandon>                 #follow_nick = true;
[12:57] <imbrandon> ^^ use it like that 
[12:57] <nixternal> ahhh
[12:59] <nixternal_> woot
[01:04] <nixternal> didn't ident
[01:06] <Hawkwind> nixternal: You setting up bip I take it ?
[01:07] <nixternal> ya
[01:07] <nixternal> it was setup, just on a dead server
[01:08] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, ye nixternal was my first convert about a month ago ;)
[01:09] <imbrandon> nixternal, idents for me 
[01:09] <imbrandon> anyhow dinner time bbiab
[01:11] <nixternal> ya, i might have made a booboo...lets see if it joins correctly here
[01:12] <nixternal> holy jesus i love you imbrandon!
[01:12] <nixternal> damn...everyone heard that
[01:48] <nixternal> bip does't keep bitlbee logged on all the time?
[02:06] <Hawkwind> This bip stuff is definitely very confusing to say the least
[02:09] <nixternal> im building a clean config file...the default config is nuts and dirty
[02:10] <Hawkwind> Does bip have to be running on the server machine, or the local machine ?
[02:10] <nixternal> your choice..i have it running on a server that never gets shut off
[02:11] <Hawkwind> Yeah.  My server runs Mandriva currently, and they don't package bip :(
[02:13] <imbrandon> blashphmey
[02:13] <imbrandon> nixternal, yea ( about the bitlbee )
[02:13] <nixternal> no biggy i guess on the bitlbee issue
[02:13] <imbrandon> i like mine on all the time, then i get messages when i'm away ;)
[02:14] <crimsun> there's nothing wrong with running a non-Ubuntu distro. There are many roads to enlightenment and thus, many roads to the one true Debian.
[02:14] <imbrandon> crimsun, nice ;)
[02:14] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Heh.  So very true
[02:15] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Only reason it's still Mandriva is because I wanted to learn Ubuntu a bit before switching it over.  I've downloaded Mandriva 2007 since it was released yesterday so I can run it in vmware and switch my server to Ubuntu soon
[02:15] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, it is pretty small , wouldent be hard to compile i would imagine
[02:15] <jdong> crimsun: would you like to repeat that first part attached to a polygraph? :D
[02:15] <nixternal> crimsun: i think i just shed a tear on that
[02:15] <crimsun> jdong: I already have more than once.
[02:15] <jdong> lol
[02:16] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: I'm working on building an rpm of bip right now for Mandriva as we speak :)
[02:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:18] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, yea and as nixternal siad the default conf if kinda confusing, someday i'll get arround to a howto
[02:18] <imbrandon> but if you have any questions for now me and nixternal both run it and there is #bip on oftc, they are a great cupple of fellas , always answer ( be it may be 24 hours later so you must wait but they always do )
[02:19] <nixternal> haha right
[02:19] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Thanks.  I might just be taking you up on that
[02:20] <Hawkwind> I'm always on OFTC as well since I've almost been approved to be a staff member there :)
[02:20] <imbrandon> nice
[02:21] <imbrandon> ironicly lilo asked did i wanna be first level support staff here the day before the accident, i havent proded since
[02:21] <imbrandon> err said i had been recomended for it, is a better word
[02:24] <nixternal> imbrandon: have you rigged something that keeps your bitlbee rockin' 24/7?  or do you just live with the disconnects?
[02:26] <imbrandon> disconnects ?
[02:26] <nixternal> ya for instance
[02:26] <imbrandon> mine stays on all the time, jabber disconnects once in a while
[02:27] <imbrandon> but thats the jabber network
[02:27] <nixternal> so, once bitlbee connects, it is always connected, even when i close the client?
[02:27] <nixternal> because it looks like i everytime i connect to bitlbee, it reconnects to all of the servers again
[02:28] <imbrandon> nope just "looks that way"
[02:28] <nixternal> ahh ok
[02:29] <imbrandon> you are always connected as long as bip is connected to it
[02:29] <nixternal> cool...brb...bip time ;)
[02:33] <Hawkwind> Hah, ya'll seen this irssi theme: http://irssi.org/themefiles/c0ders.png
[02:50] <gnomefreak> thats kind of nice
[02:50] <gnomefreak> little too gui'ish
[02:55] <Hawkwind> Yeah.  But definitely nice work how he did all that to hide him chatting so it looked like he was actually working
[04:59] <Hobbsee> morning all
[05:08] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[05:08] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:42] <abattoir> Hobbsee: hi
[05:42] <abattoir> Hobbsee: may i ask what was decided about packaging kopete with jingle support?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> abattoir: heya
[05:43] <Hawkwind> abattoir: You can ask, doesn't mean she'll tell ya :P
[05:43] <Hobbsee> abattoir: requires a specific lib, of which we have a later version of in ubuntu.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:43] <abattoir> i knew you were contemplating it...
[05:43] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Good morning BTW
[05:43] <Hobbsee> heya Hawkwind :)
[05:43] <Hobbsee> yeah, i was contemplating it.  
[05:43] <abattoir> Hobbsee: yeah, you told me libortp 0.7.1 and the newer versions 'can' coexist
[05:44] <Hobbsee> having two versions of the lib at the same time would likely be painful, i guess
[05:44] <abattoir> Hawkwind: heh :P
[05:44] <Hobbsee> abattoir: i was guessing, i didnt try it.  assuming they didnt try to overwrite each other...
[05:49] <abattoir> Hobbsee: hmm ok, thanks
[07:25] <nixternal> imbrandon: that issue with superkaramba and what not, is a known issue, and was supposed to be fixed with the software
[07:25] <nixternal> fyi really
[07:29] <abattoir> nixternal: what issue? if i may ask?
[07:30] <nixternal> the download stuff, where you click a tab, and the "latest" and "Most Downloaded" or whatever won't load inthe screen
[07:30] <abattoir> oh, GetHotNewStuff ...
[07:30] <nixternal> ya
[07:30] <abattoir> ok, thanks
[07:40] <Hobbsee> i think a friend of mine just put his computer into an infinite loop by accident
[07:41] <Hobbsee> so now he's going to "restartx"
[07:47] <imbrandon> lol
[07:47] <imbrandon> nixternal, bah it should be taken out all togather imho
[07:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:47] <nixternal> +1
[07:48] <nixternal> i don't use them anyways...but when i was messing around with scripting some stuff with superkaramba it was nice having the feature at times
[07:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: known bug.  kde even has a bug for it
[07:53] <nixternal> yup ;)
[07:53] <nixternal> Chumpbots rule!
[09:31] <seaLne> is kdesktop crashing on startup on the live cd a bug for casper or kdebase?
[09:32] <seaLne> its pretty servere as it means you don't get the install icon on the desktop, anyone else seen this with beta?
[09:59] <Riddell> seaLne: I've not seen that at all
[10:00] <Riddell> but it would be a bug with kdesktop
[10:03] <seaLne> also major problems with ubiquity not managed to install at all with beta
[10:03] <fdoving> Riddell: is beta freeze over? you told me to ping you about bug 59488
[10:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59488 in ubuntu-meta "pppoeconf should be on livecd" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59488
[10:05] <Riddell> fdoving: pppoeconf is on the CD, it's in the standard seed
[10:06] <fdoving> hm.. 
[10:24] <Riddell> seaLne: ubiquity always worked fine for me
[10:28] <ubuntu> Riddell: i'm currently installing kubuntu from live cd and one thing wich could be increase to me are : when i select my keyboard i can't write letter with accent so i assume there is a problem with utf-8
[10:28] <fdoving> Riddell: where can i find the seeds? 
[10:29] <ubuntu> Riddell: an other thing during installation i can't use my numlock so if someone type a number in his password it could bring errors
[10:32] <seaLne> Riddell: yeah its strange it just won't install, you seen my ubiquity bugs? bug #63041 bug #63042 bug #63043 bug #63044
[10:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63041 in ubiquity "ubiquity turn volume up when starting installing (step 6)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63041
[10:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63042 in ubiquity "ubiquity (KDE) hangs after selecting timezone" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63042
[10:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63043 in ubiquity "ubiquity HwDetect failed with code 10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63043
[10:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63044 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashes after selecting go back after partitioning error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63044
[10:35] <Riddell> fdoving: ubuntu-seeds product
[10:36] <fdoving> thanks :)
[10:40] <marseillais>  minutes ?
[10:41] <Riddell> seaLne: too many bugs!
[10:44] <seaLne> yeah :(
[10:45] <marseillai> Riddell: i'm installing edgy and i'm a little surprise. normally my free partition are hda5 and hda6 and hda8 and hda9 are take by dapper. and it's what i see when I mount all them in the liveCD. but in ubiquity and qtparted i see hda5 and hda6 as my dapper partition and hda8 and hda9 as my free partition ..... wich one is right? wich one should I trust?
[10:46] <Riddell> how does it tell you that?
[10:46] <marseillai> i make a screen shot
[10:49] <marseillai> Riddell: http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1nc8.png
[10:49] <marseillai> as you can see konqueror and qtparted don't tell the same thing they don't make the partition in the same order! one say free partition are in first and other that there are last on my disk
[10:52] <Riddell> I can see that hda6 is already used 
[10:53] <marseillai> Riddell: yes in qtparted but if you look at konqueror you will see that hda6 is free 
[10:54] <marseillai> as is hda7
[10:58] <Riddell> mount them and find out
[10:59] <marseillai> already done
[11:00] <marseillai> and i confirm that qtparted is worng in the order he give me for my partition
[11:03] <marseillai> Riddell: he invert hda5 with hda8 and hda6 with hda9
[11:04] <Riddell> go qtparted
[11:04] <marseillai> oki
[11:07] <Riddell> the actual partitioning is done by partman, which is much more tustworthy than qtparted
[11:08] <Riddell> but still make tripple sure before you format anything
[11:08] <marseillai> Riddell: qtparted does the same mistake. he see my already existing / and home one hda5 and 6 instead of 8 and 9
[11:08] <marseillai> and when i mount them i cand affirm that my / and /home are on 8 and 9
[11:09] <Riddell> those are just partition labels that qtparted gives on the right hand column, they're not mount points
[11:09] <marseillai> yes i know but with the used space qtparted say thing irrealist
[11:10] <marseillai> for example he say that 20 giga are used on hda8 wich does 7giga
[11:38] <seaLne> yeah it took me a wee while to work out they were just labels
[11:54] <MidMark> Riddell: I think it's very important to add to the critical bug these two
[11:54] <MidMark> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/39483
[11:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39483 in debian-installer "Kubuntu 6.06 final dvd doesn't install italian language for kde and other packages" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[11:54] <MidMark> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ept/+bug/48098
[11:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48098 in ubiquity "No option to add CDs to sources.list in adept" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[11:55] <MidMark> the second one has a another bug inside that ubiquity doesn't add dvd to the source list after installed the os, very important for me
[11:55] <Riddell> MidMark: first one will get fixed when we add the language packs to the seeds near the release time
[11:55] <Riddell> second one is harder and won't be fixed for edgy
[11:56] <MidMark> yes, but at least add in the source.list the dvd
[11:56] <MidMark> a lot of people without internet have to add it manually via console
[11:57] <Riddell> that's done during install if you don't have internet access
[11:57] <MidMark> ok so half of the second bug can be closed, the one against ubiquity
[11:58] <MidMark> thanx Riddell: I was care about my own language, don't want another Kubuntu that ignore it :)
[12:00] <mhb> MidMark: we all do that :o)
[12:01] <MidMark> thx
[12:23] <mhb> Riddell: Kubuntu HWDB frontend is your baby, right?
[12:25] <Riddell> mhb: client is yes
[12:28] <mhb> Riddell: right now I have both ubuntu- and kubuntu-desktop installed and the hwdb-kde frontend does not work (incorrect dialogues, doesn't test anything) while the hwdb-gui (gnome) frontend works just fine
[12:31] <Riddell> got a screenshot?  I'm not sure what incorrect dialogues means
[12:31] <mhb> Riddell: I got more, I should probably file a bug, where's the best page to do that?
[12:31] <Riddell> launchpad.net
[12:33] <mhb> where on LP is the page for all the bugs in hwdb-client-kde? 
[12:35] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hwdb-client/+filebug
[12:47] <mhb> Riddell: thanks, I filed the bug 63148
[12:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63148 in hwdb-client "hwdb-client-kde behaves incorrectly in Edgy (beta)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63148
[12:55] <mhb> Riddell: take a look at the screenshots there, please ... there's also the output in the konsole on the right, it could be helpful
[12:59] <Riddell> mhb: this may be caused by running it in a traslated locale
[12:59] <Riddell> mhb: what language are you running it in?
[12:59] <mhb> cs_CZ.UTF-8
[01:00] <mhb> czech
[01:48] <Riddell> mhb: do you have anything in /usr/share/locale-langpack/cs/LC_MESSAGES/hwd* ?
[01:49] <mhb> Riddell: yep, the hwdb-client.mo file
[01:49] <mhb> Riddell: I probably should test the hwdb-kde when the .mo file isn't there, right?
[01:50] <Riddell> mhb: what's the output of  dpkg -S /usr/share/locale-langpack/cs/LC_MESSAGES/hwdb-client.mo  ?
[01:50] <Riddell> mhb: yes, that would help too
[01:50] <mhb> language-pack-cs-base: /usr/share/locale-langpack/cs/LC_MESSAGES/hwdb-client.mo
[01:51] <mhb> Riddell: yup, it works fine, even tests the sound
[01:56] <_sleon> hi
[01:57] <Riddell> hi _sleon 
[01:57] <_sleon> is there any auto install mechansims for kubuntu like there are for redhat based distros ? (anaconda)
[01:58] <Riddell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KubuntuNetboot
[01:59] <_sleon> Riddell: and something like installation profiles ?
[02:00] <Riddell> change the preseed
[02:00] <_sleon> Riddell where to get info on seed file format ?
[02:01] <Riddell> Debian-Installer manual probably
[02:01] <_sleon> aa ok thx
[02:03] <Riddell> mhb: hmph, I can't get it to run in czech
[02:06] <mhb> Riddell: how come?
[02:07] <Riddell> dunno, just wants to run in English
[02:07] <Riddell> kde, gnome and command line apps run in czech
[02:10] <mhb> hm, weird ... all the apps run in czech by me, including hwdb-kde
[02:11] <mhb> Riddell: you have the .mo file in place, I guess
[02:11] <Riddell> I do yes
[02:12] <Riddell> /usr/share/locale-langpack/cs/LC_MESSAGES/hwdb-client.mo all there
[02:13] <mhb> if other programs work well (locales OK) then I have no idea why hwdb-kde shouldn't
[02:20] <mhb> Riddell: just tried to switch to german locales and the hwdb-kde works better
[02:21] <Riddell> mhb: how did you switch?
[02:21] <mhb> Riddell: it works (sound testing&other), it just displays some characters (,, etc) wrong
[02:23] <mhb> Riddell: first switched to German in systemsettings, then changed the LANG variable and ran the hwdb-kde from konsole 
[02:35] <mhb> Riddell: no luck with that?
[02:35] <mhb> Riddell: seems all it takes is to change the LANG variable
[02:35] <Riddell> I have LANG set to cs_CZ.UTF-8
[02:36] <mhb> Riddell: mine is LANG=cs_CZ.utf8
[02:38] <Riddell> mhb: do you have /usr/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/hwdb-client.mo ?
[02:39] <mhb> nope, just /usr/share/locale-langpack/cs/LC_MESSAGES/hwdb-client.mo
[02:40] <Riddell> mhb: if I run   strace hwdb-kde 2>&1 | grep locale | grep hwdb
[02:40] <Hobbsee> darn it, we're slightly late to include kcontrol-autostart without a UVFe
[02:40] <Riddell> is only looks in locale/ not locale-lang/
[02:41] <Riddell> mhb: do you get locale-langpack when running that?
[02:44] <mhb> Riddell: well, it loads the translation from that file (when I move the .mo and reload the hwdb-kde, the translation disappears)
[02:44] <Riddell> that wasn't what I asked :)
[02:44] <mhb> Riddell: if you meant like output, then no
[02:46] <mhb> Riddell: or what did you mean by "get" ?
[02:46] <Riddell> output yes
[02:47] <mhb> Riddell: the first output line is "step: 0" (when I move to the next step)
[02:49] <Riddell> mhb: running that strace command
[02:50] <Hobbsee> !scheduel
[02:50] <Hobbsee> !schedule
[02:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about scheduel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:50] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[02:51] <rouzic> Hi Hobbsee
[02:51] <Hobbsee> hey rouzic 
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are the chances of getting amarok 1.4.4 in, if it was released on the 14/10?
[02:51] <mhb> Riddell: oh, sorry :o) yes, it does look in locale-langpack
[02:51] <Riddell> Hobbsee: is there a new version of kcontrol-autostart we'd need?
[02:51] <rouzic> A question
[02:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kcontrol-autostart/+bug/44784
[02:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44784 in kcontrol-autostart "kcontrol-autostart removes "Type=Application" from every desktop file in ~/.kde/Autostart" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  
[02:52] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hmm, small
[02:52] <rouzic> Is it possible that in lilo appears the bootsplash?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, i suspect it'd get approved
[02:54] <mhb> Riddell: it looks in locale/, then in locale-langpack/ (I guess that's normal)
[02:54] <Riddell> Hobbsee: if you file an UVFe for kcontrol-autostart I'd support that
[02:54] <Hobbsee> okay, cool
[02:54] <Riddell> mhb: I wonder why it doesn't for me
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: argh.  the amarok guys really want 1.4.4 in, but it wont be done for another couple of weeks.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is there *any* chance that would work?
[02:55] <Riddell> Hobbsee: if it's bug fixes only maybe, but that's too late for new features
[02:55] <Hobbsee> there's a couple of new features
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/extragear/multimedia/amarok/ChangeLog plus a store feature
[02:56] <imbrandon> *cough*like a music store*cough*
[02:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: so you are awake
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hmmm.. and a few new features which look like bugfixes.
[02:57] <imbrandon> barely, heh i forgot to grab my smokes and looked at the screen ;)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> well...
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hmmm....
[02:58] <imbrandon> the only one that will be new to us is the store, we dont compile in mtp support
[02:58] <mhb> Riddell: I'll post the strace log to the bug, maybe it will come in handy
[02:58] <imbrandon>  /yet/
[02:58] <imbrandon> anyhow i'll read the log when i wake , gnight folks ;)
[02:58] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: reckon you could argue that with mdz and the like?  :P  see the amarok channel
[02:58] <Hobbsee> night
[02:59] <imbrandon> yea i've been talking with them all night about it
[03:00] <Riddell> mhb: it's not really related
[03:00] <imbrandon> and i read what just was going on, i might , i need sleep before i can properly think to do so though
[03:01] <mhb> Riddell: ok
[03:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah okay
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's rebuild testing?  do they just rebuild the entire world for the sake of it, i take it?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> wah.  it's not using admin/cvs.sh anymore, which means we cant generate pot files via the usual patch
[03:06] <marseillai> hi! there are some strange line in my /etc/fstab like this one : UUID=2836ae88-39c4-4723-a12e-a6f6cab84dd8 /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[03:06] <marseillai>  can I replace this UUID by /dev/hda6 without any risk ?
[03:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sounds like it, where did you read that
[03:07] <Riddell> marseillai: I don't know
[03:07] <Riddell> marseillai: but probably
[03:07] <marseillai> Riddell: your fstab looks like this ?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[03:07] <marseillai> it's pretty surprising!!
[03:07] <Riddell> marseillai: yes
[03:07] <Hobbsee> marseillai: yes, everyone's does
[03:07] <Hobbsee> grumble.
[03:07] <marseillai> Hobbsee: and we can replace it without any risk ?
[03:07] <marseillai> Hobbsee: mine is!
[03:08] <Hobbsee> marseillai: not sure
[03:09] <imbrandon> the risk is when you upgrade to edgy+1 there will be a transition that needs it
[03:09] <imbrandon> so for now, no , no rish
[03:09] <imbrandon> risk*
[03:10] <imbrandon> ( e.g. the libata trasition in the kernel )
[03:17] <mhb> Riddell: OK, see you later, I'll try to replicate this bug on another machine and then I'll inform you (or someone else who'll be working on this bug); I hope it will get resolved before Edgy final, I'd like the Czechs to use the hwdb tool too :o)
[03:18] <Riddell> mhb: I think I know how to fix it
[03:18] <Riddell> mhb: working on it now
[03:19] <mhb> Riddell: Really? That would be great! .o)
[03:38] <Riddell> I see gwenview 1.4.0 is out
[03:45] <Hobbsee> nice
[04:33] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:33] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[04:33] <bddebian> Hello Jucato
[04:35] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian Jucato 
[04:35] <Hobbsee> bddebian: fix all the universe, kthnksbye!
[04:35] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!! weee
[04:35] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:36] <Jucato> finally back after 48+ hours of no electricity!!! :P
[04:36] <Hobbsee> *ouch*
[04:36] <Hobbsee> what for?
[04:37] <Jucato> we were struck by a hurricane/cyclone
[04:37] <bddebian> yikes
[04:37] <Jucato> we still have no running water, though. but that should be back to normal in a few hours
[04:38] <Hobbsee> ahhh....ouch
[04:39] <Jucato> probably not...  but glad you didn't suffer the way we did :(
[04:47] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> our place didnt lose power, but i've got friends that did
[04:49] <Jucato> hm... the xorg.conf edit really solves the problem?
[04:51] <Hobbsee> dunno
[04:51] <Jucato> :)
[04:51] <Hobbsee> i'm looking at the line in /usr/bin/firefox, etc
[04:51] <Hobbsee> and konq
[05:00] <marseillai> hal management for removable devices don't work anymore in kubuntu edgy
[05:01] <Riddell> what doesn't work about it?
[05:02] <Riddell> _Sime, sebas: where is the pykde cvs?
[05:02] <marseillai> Riddell: i select a mount point in kde for my usb devices and there are still mount at the normal place
[05:04] <Riddell> oh right, but the basics work at least
[05:05] <marseillai> yes it is mounted but the option wich permit to select the mount point doesn't work 
[05:05] <Riddell> mhb: should be fixed now, try   bzr branch http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/bzr/hwdb/
[05:06] <_Sime> Riddell: upstream PyKDE cvs you mean?
[05:06] <Riddell> _Sime: yes
[05:06] <_Sime> Riddell: somewhere in Jim's house.
[05:08] <Riddell> _Sime: hmm, right, was hoping to test out the konsole_part support he added, I'll ask him for a diff
[05:08] <_Sime> Riddell: hopefully that situation will change for KDE 4. => KDE SVN.
[05:09] <Riddell> yes, been reading that too
[05:09] <Riddell> which would be great
[05:09] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, my USB stick doenst automount anymore.  is there an easy workaround?
[05:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: try the latest kdebase?
[05:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i dont have kdebase installed
[05:10] <Riddell> well the kioslaves from kdebase
[05:11] <Hobbsee> kdebase-kio-plugins:
[05:11] <Hobbsee>   Installed: 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu28
[05:11] <Hobbsee>   Candidate: 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu28
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you upload the ones from tonio, or did you make more modifications?
[05:12] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure tonio uploaded something
[05:13] <Hobbsee> right
[05:13] <Hobbsee> i was using tonio_'s
[05:14] <Hobbsee> ahhh...there we go...
[05:14] <Hobbsee> clearly i wasnt using the latest
[05:19] <mhb> Riddell: thanks, I'll check it out
[05:20] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yep? :)
[05:21] <Hobbsee> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=9179.new#new <-- you'd better tell them that it's not the card, that works fine it's gotta be a bug or a misconfiguration somewhere else.
[05:21] <Hobbsee> and forums make me want to gouge out my eyes :P
[05:21] <Jucato> lol
[05:21] <Jucato> if you think KFN is bad... try the other one :P
[05:24] <Jucato> Hobbsee: any link I need to/could point him to? or should I just say "a Kubuntu developer has mentioned that this problem might be due to a bug or a misconfiguration." ??
[05:25] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i've seen the other one.  i was hoping that would be different.  um, no link that i know of, except maybe the hardware page.  the reason i know it works, is that i have the card.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> with wpa, at least
[05:25] <Jucato> hm... ok...
[05:26] <Hobbsee> you dont *have* to reply anything.  i just know that it's nto the car.d
[05:26] <Hobbsee> ouch, i cant spell
[05:26] <Jucato> I'm a bit disoriented today/tonight
[05:27] <Jucato> Hobbsee: in what way does KFN want to make you gouge out your eyes? it's very open to improvements (since it's qutie small and young...)
[05:27] <Hobbsee> Jucato: the same way ubuntu forums does, although it does it on a much larger level
[05:28] <Hobbsee> i think it may be all forums
[05:28] <Jucato> heh... you're beginning to be brainwashed by imbrandn! lol :P
[05:28] <Jucato> can you give specifics? (it really might be all forums...)
[05:31] <Jucato> heh :)
[05:32] <Jucato> unfortunately (or fortunately), the forums might be the best option for some users/type of users. :P
[05:32] <Hobbsee> true
[05:32] <Hobbsee> very fortunately, it keeps them off the bugtracker :P
[05:32] <Jucato> hah! that's for sure! :P
[05:33] <Jucato> although it works both ways. some people with probably "valid" concerns/issues are also kept off the tracker, or off the wikis... oh well :P
[05:34] <Jucato> btw, will Edgy ship with gdb?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> no idea.  not currently, iirc
[05:37] <Jucato> oh... so we have nothing to match the "improved crash reports" in Ubuntu? (haven't seen it actually yet)
[05:38] <Hobbsee> not sure
[05:38] <Hobbsee> we might
[05:38] <Hobbsee> i dont currently know, but i dont know a lot of things at this time of night
[05:38] <Jucato> yeah.. same here
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:39] <Hobbsee> ah drat, it's almost 2am again!
[05:39] <Jucato> you remind me of Cinderella :P
[05:39] <Hobbsee> how so?
[05:39] <Jucato> well, it's just around 12mn here, so... :)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: the idea of cindarella turning into a pumpkin?  :P
[05:42] <Jucato> heh... the idea of a girl who needs to be home (asleep) by midnight (my time), or else all hell breaks loose :P
[05:42] <Hobbsee> yeah, well...
[05:42] <Hobbsee> that's why i tend to stay at other people's houses :P
[05:42] <Jucato> heh
[05:42] <Hobbsee> not asleep, fortunately.
[05:42] <mhb> maybe here it's the other way around
[05:43] <Hobbsee> mhb: hmm?
[05:43] <mhb> if she were at home the hell would break loose :o)
[05:43] <Jucato> lol
[05:43] <Hobbsee> heh...yeah, well...
[05:43] <mhb> what would we do? :o)
[05:43] <Hobbsee> dunno.  run, probably
[05:44] <Hobbsee> mhb: actually, you might have seen that a couple of months ago.
[05:44] <Jucato> hm.. hide?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:44] <jdong> muahaha
[05:44] <Jucato> well, at least jdong will be there as Hobbsee's whipping boy :P
[05:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:45] <jdong> say hello to automatic backporting :)
[05:45] <jdong> hehe
[05:45] <Hobbsee> i have two questions.  1)  does it work?  2)  does it really work?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:46] <Jucato> 3rd question: will it work?
[05:46] <jdong> Hobbsee: umm..... I shall see :)
[05:46] <Hobbsee> pbuilder manual had some nice stuff on that iirc.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> i'm assuming you've seen it
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no, third question is "what's the capital of assyria?"
[05:46] <jdong> Hobbsee: I've gotten as far as my pbuilder create wrapper, and already I've accidentally rm -rf'ed /var/cache :D
[05:46] <Hobbsee> jdong: ouch
[05:46] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:46] <Jucato> lol
[05:46] <jdong> fortunately, it was inside a chroot
[05:46] <Hobbsee> as long as you dont rm -rf / you'll be okay
[05:47] <jdong> just bind tmp, and even X works inside pbuilder :D
[05:47] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.
[05:47] <Hobbsee> that's crackful :P
[05:47] <Hobbsee> but it does work
[05:47] <jdong> Hobbsee: isn't that the whole concept behind one-button backporting? :D
[05:47] <Jucato> jdong: just a question, how long will the Dapper world be deprived of Konvi 1.0? :P
[05:47] <Hobbsee> jdong: true that.
[05:47] <jdong> Jucato: it's still not there?
[05:48] <Jucato> afaik, no
[05:48] <Jucato> still using imbrandon's
[05:48] <jdong> Hobbsee / Jucato: go poke kamion about it... he said that he would let the binaries through
[05:48] <Hobbsee> right...
[05:48] <Hobbsee> apparently infinity poked a whole lot of stuff thru
[05:49] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:49] <jdong> grr.... a little bit of reiserfs would help me out right now.... :(
[05:50] <jdong> yah! stop making edgy pbuilders dammit!
[05:51] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:51] <Jucato> lol
[05:51] <Hobbsee> at least this one isnt as critical.
[05:51] <Jucato> I was dying to post in the forums (about the flash problem) "it was jdong's fault!!!" :)
[05:51] <jdong> Jucato: hehe... well, it was :)
[05:52] <Jucato> yeah, but I wanted to preserve your, er..., reputation :P
[05:53] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:53] <jdong> pffft.... I have a reputation of trying to recreate gentoo ~arch on a LTS distro... how much worse can it get?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> yes.   be careful :P
[05:53] <Jucato> heh
[05:54] <Hobbsee> p
[05:54] <Jucato> the "p" also fell :P
[05:55] <jdong> gaaah upstart?!?!
[05:55] <jdong> oh.... hah. save buttons typically are useful
[05:55] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:55] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:56] <Hobbsee> no....
[05:59] <Jucato> ha! will GIF really be free starting monday? :)
[06:00] <Jucato> oops... posted in the wrong channel....
[06:00] <mhb> Riddell: I tried the updated version and it works fine!
[06:02] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/63164
[06:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63164 in kubuntu-meta "Edgy: Konqueror doesn't show Hard Disk in system:/media" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[06:02] <Hobbsee> please tell me we have a standard response to that
[06:04] <Jucato> ah the changes that _Sime made?
[06:06] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:06] <Jucato> standard answer? "It's not a bug, it's a feature."
[06:07] <Hobbsee> yeah, well
[06:07] <Hobbsee> you cant quite say close a bug with that
[06:07] <Jucato> heh
[06:08] <Hobbsee> time for bed
[06:08] <Jucato> rawr :P
[06:09] <Riddell> mhb: great, thanks
[06:10] <mhb> Riddell: the last "fix" needed is that someone should include the strings in the hwdb-kde's front page in Rosetta so that l10n teams can translate them (the string  are a bit different than Ubuntu's)
[06:10] <mhb> Riddell: do you think you can poke someone to do that?
[06:10] <Riddell> mhb: I'm sure sure why that isn't the case, but I'll poke the rosetta dudes to make sure they get imported
[06:13] <mhb> Riddell: it looks like the "Next" and "Back" buttons aren't translated either
[06:13] <mhb> Riddell: (and translatable)
[06:25] <mhb> Riddell: thanks a lot for the cooperation :o) As I said many times before - you're the best!
[06:34] <jdong> yay, it works :)
[06:56] <nixternal> I want to be a Kubuntu contributor, how can I start contributing?
[07:03] <mhb> nixternal: you might start with contributing
[07:04] <nixternal> contributing what?
[07:05] <nixternal> i already contribute my life to Ubuntu and Kubuntu, well at least a majority of it ;)
[07:05] <nixternal> i need to contribute some substance
[07:09] <mhb> nixternal: convince some ordinary people to use it ... that's what #1 is all about
[07:10] <nixternal> http://chi.ubuntu-us.org   <- I convince every day ;)
[07:11] <nixternal> i have got the newb contributions down, i am ready for some more responsibility now ;)
[07:12] <nixternal> as a matter of fact, with the convincing, it seems a couple displays we have around town here in Chicago need refilling
[07:15] <mhb> nixternal: "i am ready for more responsibility" - that's why I call careerism :o)
[07:15] <nixternal> haha
[07:16] <mhb> nixternal: what I call 
[07:16] <nixternal> you know...i was working for one of the big evil companies, and my boss came to me and said, "Mr. Johnson, it is time you take on more responsibility as a manager..."
[07:16] <nixternal> i said, "oh, btw, here is my 2-week notice, im going back to school"
[07:23] <mhb> nixternal: with the careerism, you got me thinking - i should finally try to get the Kubuntu membership ...
[07:24] <mhb> nixternal: :o) no, I'm not that much in careerism ... there's too much work to be done
[07:25] <nixternal> i have the memberships, im ready for the next step..everyone has a plan to take over the world but me...well dang-it, my time has come, ;)
[07:25] <mhb> nixternal: I know, checked your LP page :o)
[07:26] <LaserJock> hi people, are there KDE channels on freenode?
[07:27] <Hawkwind> LaserJock: #KDE is here
[07:27] <Hawkwind> LaserJock: /msg chanserv list *kde*  <~~That will give you quite a bit of output
[07:28] <LaserJock> I want to find some KDE Edu people online
[07:28] <LaserJock> thanks Hawkwind 
[07:41] <nixternal> thought you guys might enjoy this, from a blog and what im guessing to be a kde developer of some sort
[07:42] <nixternal> "The main issue is C++. Gnome people HATE C++ (because they don't know it). There are still a few that do, but that is the general trend."
[08:04] <insanekane> nixternal: where is that ?
[08:05] <nixternal> it is a blog page talking about KDE Edu and stuff...that was left by somone in the comments section
[08:06] <nixternal> http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/27154.html
[08:15] <nixternal> alrighty all, im going to do something most of us have never done before, or haven't done in a while
[08:15] <insanekane> nixternal: i.e. ?
[08:15] <nixternal> im going to back away from the keyboard, and do something else for once...maybe go shopping
[08:15] <insanekane> nixternal: i agree with you.
[08:15] <nixternal> hehe
[08:15] <nixternal> i need to cut this chair from my arse though
[08:15] <nixternal> wth
[08:16] <mhb> nixternal: translating Alain Touraine into Czech? No,that's what I did today :o)
[08:16] <nixternal> jeeesh, you geeks are horrible
[08:16] <nixternal> alrighty, the thing most ofyou don't know about is yelling for me
[08:16] <nixternal> yes, my girlfriend
[08:16] <nixternal> ;)
[08:16] <nixternal> she is a paid actress
[08:16] <nixternal> later ;)
[08:16] <mhb> nixternal: you mean the one that told me to help her with Touraine? :o)
[08:17] <mhb> see you
[08:17] <nixternal> everyone is paying her again ;)
[08:17] <nixternal> cya
[09:06] <toma_passive> jdong: in that case making a release is no longer needed ;-) 
[09:06] <jdong> toma_passive: hehe, we shall see how users use it
[09:22] <Lure> anybody else have stripes/green cast on usplash after recent upgrade?
[09:24] <GNUro> hi
[09:52] <mhb> Lure: nope
[09:53] <Lure> mhb: then it is probably just on some HW... :-(
[09:53] <mhb> Lure: could be
[09:54] <mhb> Lure: what's your graphic card?
[09:54] <Lure> ATI FireGL V5000 PCIE
[09:55] <Lure> sebas: ping
[09:56] <mhb> Lure: hmm, I have some integrated Intel card, so yes, it could be hardware-specific
[09:57] <Lure> mhb: it worked before, so it is probably regression in recent usplash upload
[10:13] <Ingmar^> since the last update, kubuntu-default-settings fails to install for me; I don't have foomatic installed ( because I don't print ) so my bet is that this is causing me problems : 	 Added foomatic-cleanupdrivers in kubuntu-default-settings.postinst since kdeprint sometimes gets lost with the driver cache.	
[10:16] <mhb> goodnight all
[10:17] <jjesse> night mhb
[10:17] <Ingmar^> goodnight
[10:17] <Lure> night mhb
[10:18] <Lure> Ingmar^: Tonio_ will need to look into this...
[10:20] <Ingmar^> anything I can do to help .?
[10:21] <Lure> Ingmar^: probably not - Tonio_ just need to change it to first check if foomatic is available and call it only if available
[10:22] <Ingmar^> alright
[10:22] <Lure> Ingmar^: did you submit the bug?
[10:22] <Ingmar^> no i didn't, going to do that right away
[10:22] <Ingmar^> and something else I was wondering about, I filed a bug for amarok ( Bug # 63130 )
[10:23] <Ingmar^> it's fixed in cvs, do those things normally get implemented in edgy, or is it too late already ?
[10:26] <Lure> Ingmar^: if a fix is easy to take out, it may get applied as patch in edgy - next amarok release is very near edgy release, so I doubt that we will update to it
[10:26] <Ingmar^> it's in fact a xine-lib fix, 2 lines of code, so I guess i have a chance ;)
[10:29] <Lure> Ingmar^: if you have the patch, just attach it to the bug as imbrandon or Hobbsee may just jump on it ;-)
[10:29] <Ingmar^> [22:22:34]  <Lure> Ingmar^: did you submit the bug? <= #63238
[10:29] <Lure> Ingmar^: thanks
[10:29] <Ingmar^> my pleasure
[10:39] <kwwii> hi all
[10:39] <Lure> kwwii: great artwork for beta!
[10:39] <kwwii> Lure: thanks, good to hear you like it :-)
[10:39] <Lure> kwwii: just added my minor problem to feedback page
[10:39] <kwwii> Lure: I'll check that out
[10:40] <Lure> kwwii: I have also seen new powermanager icons, but cannot comment yet - has to use it for some time first
[10:40] <Lure> kwwii: I like new titlebar/panel look, it does not seem to work if you have small panel (one row only)
[10:42] <kwwii> Lure: good pint with the text fields, thanks for testing it
[10:42] <kwwii> I was worried it  might do that at certain sizes
[10:42] <kwwii> I tried to put the return key as close to the entry fields as possible
[10:42] <Lure> kwwii: it is probably just my wrong dpi (and therefore huge font)
[10:43] <kwwii> it should be made to work for any case though, so it is good that you caught this
[10:43] <kwwii> in the tiny panel it the gradient has a very subtle effect
[10:44] <kwwii> Lure: I had a really good idea for another version of the powermanager icons on the plane tonight
[10:44] <kwwii> so I might change them again
[10:45] <Lure> kwwii: exactly, it makes panel very bright - I have switched on transparency to get purple from the wallpaper ;-
[10:45] <Lure> ;-)
[10:45] <kwwii> turn on the option to colorize it according the the wallpaper color
[10:45] <Lure> kwwii: new icons are nice - I am just not sure if they are not too dark (black)
[10:46] <kwwii> Lure: to be honest, they are the first prototypes of the oxygen icons (shhhhh)
[10:46] <Lure> kwwii: yep, that is better...
[10:46] <kwwii> we might think about turning that on per default
[10:46] <Lure> kwwii: I have noticed (I am using oxygen anyhow ;-))
[10:47] <Lure> kwwii: yep - this colorize makes my panel nice (better than transparency)
[10:49] <Lure> kwwii: I like the new power/plug symbol better than old plug (which was really hard to make it obvious in so little pixels)
[10:49] <kwwii> Lure: yeah, I thought it was much nicer (and easier to draw :p )
[10:50] <kwwii> I'll fix the ksplash and the kdm pics and config tomorrow
[10:50] <Lure> kwwii: no rush ;-)
[10:51] <kwwii> after a week of sleeping in a bunk-bed I need a night off
[10:51] <Lure> kwwii: lol 
[10:51] <kwwii> we actually got a lot done
[11:54] <gnomefreak> anyone got a min?
[11:54] <fdoving> i'm here.. but i don't know how helpfull i am.
[11:54] <gnomefreak> we dont build kde at all right?
[11:55] <fdoving> what do you mean? 
[11:55] <fdoving> the buildds build everything.
[11:55] <gnomefreak> we grab source for kde and build kubuntu from it right? we dont build kde itself though
[11:56] <gnomefreak> we package it not really build it
[11:56] <fdoving> we grab source for kde and add kubuntu patches, build our own packages, and publish.
[11:57] <fdoving> so, kde is beeing buildt, yes. 
[11:57] <gnomefreak> yeah thats what im saying. we leave kde in the repos the same though
[11:57] <fdoving> pretty much.
[11:57] <fdoving> some changes are done.
[11:57] <gnomefreak> yeah i understand that but the majority of it is same
[11:57] <fdoving> correct.
[11:58] <gnomefreak> gentoo users think our kde is the same as theirs
[11:59] <gnomefreak> im betting gentoos kde has different depends than ours since they have to "compile" it themselves
[12:00] <fdoving> sure, they need our 'build-depends' to install..since they build to install.
[12:00] <fdoving> apt-cache showsrc kdelibs
[12:02] <fdoving> that's just an example, every section of kde has it's own build-deps in our setup.
[12:02] <fdoving> don't know how gentoo handles that.
[12:08] <gnomefreak> yeah i image its differnet for gentoo and the bugs they have we might not