[12:11] <mabreaux> where can I obtain libdvdcss2 for kubuntu
[12:11] <BluesKaj> non free sources
[12:11] <software_>  yes but don't acces it
[12:12] <mabreaux> according the the web page they list a directory but it does not exist on my system
[12:12] <joakim> hei
[12:12] <Hawkwind> !info libdvdcss2
[12:12] <ubotu> libdvdcss2: Simple foundation for reading DVDs - runtime libraries. In component extras, is optional. Version 1.2.9-0.0ubuntu2 (dapper-seveas), package size 31 kB, installed size 112 kB
[12:13] <joakim> kordan fr jeg  Panel meny opp igjen i  ubuntu XFCE fr ikke det opp igjen ?
[12:13] <jonathan__> hello, i was wondering if anyone is using edgy beta 1 here
[12:13] <mabreaux> so it is optional how do I get it.
[12:13] <jonathan__> for some reason it's having problems with my 3945 wireless card
[12:14] <BluesKaj> mabreaux, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-74857744ddf74499c6447a19c7e94a2fcb382e0c
[12:14] <joakim> how do u get the panel up inn ubuntu xfce
[12:14] <joakim> ???
[12:15] <joakim> hallo
[12:16] <joakim> Hallo is any body her
[12:16] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:16] <joakim> do u now ubuntu xfce ?
[12:17] <h3sp4wn> !xubuntu
[12:17] <mabreaux> I do not see a location to obtain it from.  just a explanation of what is it.
[12:17] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE, for more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org  To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[12:17] <nenwlinuxben> Hey I need some help with a command please
[12:17] <nenwlinuxben> I'm pretty new to this
[12:17] <BluesKaj> !xfce
[12:17] <nenwlinuxben> I just nened to know, is there a command to unmount a drive I mounted?
[12:17] <joakim> xfce Do u now that
[12:17] <TheGateKeeper> mabreaux: google for xubuntu
[12:18] <joakim> how do u get the panel in thats
[12:18] <nenwlinuxben> anyone?...
[12:18] <joakim> ??
[12:18] <BluesKaj> nenwlinuxben, just ask yer question
[12:18] <nenwlinuxben> I just nened to know, is there a command to unmount a drive I mounted?
[12:19] <joakim> how do u get the panel in Ubuntu XFCE ??????
[12:19] <TheGateKeeper> nenwlinuxben: umount http://www.ss64.com/bash/
[12:20] <BluesKaj> http://www.xfce.org/
[12:20] <Isoss> Hey guys, I am having a problem with my resolution! I can't fix my resolution to 1024x768 ... every time I changed it from system settings - >display it gives my a Hey guys, I am having a problem with my resolution! I can't fix my resolution to 1024x768 ... every time I changed it from system settings - >display it gives a messed up display! and when I restart it's back to 640x480
[12:22] <TheGateKeeper> Isoss: manually edit /etc/xorg.conf
[12:22] <kay> anyone knows how  i get gtkradiant to wrok on kubuntu???
[12:22] <TheGateKeeper> !fixres > Isoss
[12:22] <joakim> yes for the very mush help !!!!!! this suux
[12:22] <Isoss> that happened after when I turned my laptop off but something seemed to go wrong! the screen was shaking and giving my colors and never turned off, so I had to unplug the  the color
[12:22] <Isoss> sorry unplug the power
[12:24] <Isoss> TheGateKeeper: there is no such fine as /etc/xorg.conf
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Isoss, system settings/hardware/display admin mode/set resolution/apply
[12:26] <TheGateKeeper> Isoss: sorry /etc/X11/xorg.conf oops
[12:26] <kay> anyone knows how  i get gtkradiant to wrok on kubuntu???
[12:27] <LeeJunFan> kay: if it's not in the repos you'll likely have to install gtk devel libs and compile it.
[12:29] <rouzic> Hi all
[12:30] <rouzic> I have a problem with Ktorrent's download
[12:30] <Blacken> Question -- I have the ATI proprietary drivers installed, but they don't seem happy with Xorg despite it. I can't set resolution to native (1280x800). Any help?
[12:32] <rouzic> Since I updated to the version 2.0.2 of the repositories backports, the exhausts in Ktorrent do not increase of 10 Kb's
[12:33] <Blacken> Why would I not be able to increase my resolution past 1024x768, even with the mesa drivers?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Blacken, fglrx drivers ?
[12:34] <flaccid> Blacken: pastebin xorg.conf
[12:35] <Isoss> TheGateKeeper: Thanks, editing xorg.conf worked!
[12:36] <Isoss> TheGateKeeper: but I was wondering, what has really happened when I encountered that problem when I turned it off?
[12:37] <TheGateKeeper> Isoss: don't know, but good to hear you fixed it :-)
[12:38] <Isoss> Thanks TheGateKeeper ...
[12:38] <TheGateKeeper> Isoss: np :-)
[12:39] <Isoss> I am also having a problem switching keybaord layout in blackbox .. anyone knows how I can do that?
[12:39] <Isoss> sorry this might not be the right spot! maybe I should ask in ubuntu channel
[12:41] <Isoss> guys, is it just me or acrually #ubuntu channel has been canceled or something?
[12:41] <TheGateKeeper> Isoss: got to go and sleep, but I would say the answer again is look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:41] <Isoss> I am also having a problem switching keybaord layout in blackbox .. anyone knows how I can do that?
[12:41] <Isoss> I am also having a problem switching keybaord layout in blackbox .. anyone knows how I can do that?
[12:41] <TheGateKeeper> Isoss: no #ubuntu is very much up & running & VERY buisy
[12:41] <Isoss> sorry for repeating that
[12:41] <Isoss> my mistake
[12:42] <Isoss> I used /join #ubuntu but didn't work
[12:42] <TheGateKeeper> should do
[12:42] <TheGateKeeper> I can see it
[12:43] <Isoss> I tried it 10 times!
[12:43] <Isoss> I always use irc commands and I acctually used it to log in here
[12:43] <TheGateKeeper> Isoss: have another look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for your keyboard problems
[12:43] <Isoss> ok, thanks
[12:43] <tobias___> democrazy tv allways crashes :(
[12:43] <TheGateKeeper> Isoss: you are on freenode?
[12:44] <dragonfire1> hello
[12:44] <TheGateKeeper> hiya dragonfire1
[12:45] <dragonfire1> Hi have to ask you a ?  Do you guy's voice us in here? When I haven't been getting voice I leave stay in area that gives me voice.
[12:46] <dragonfire1> I have been installing #buntu waiting for the cd for Kubuntu
[12:46] <dragonfire1> ubuntu
[12:47] <dragonfire1> I had no luck weeks ago downloading something meust have been wrong but with cd I'm good to go for some reason
[12:47] <dragonfire1> kubuntu how much ram needed to run properly
[12:48] <Isoss> I am also having a problem switching keybaord layout in blackbox .. anyone knows how I can do that?
[12:48] <cristian> ciao
[12:48] <Isoss> why is this repeating itself?
[12:48] <Isoss> oops, it's the paste! ... sorry again
[12:49] <Isoss> TheGateKeeper: Yes I am in freenode I am using a web based IRC : www.ircatwork.com
[12:54] <ricardouu> !es
[12:54] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> !hdr files
[12:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hdr files - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:01] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Did it work or fail ?
[01:01] <Kr4t05> Not done yet.
[01:04] <supertanker> please tell me grub error 15 doesn't mean Kubuntu wiped out my hard drive
[01:05] <en1gma> sup all...i got a couple problems (when i boot into dapper 6.06 i cant irc...i think it has to do with no-ident....is there an ez identd for kde i can dload?
[01:05] <supertanker> My laptop almost always reboots because of a CPU tempreture warning - ONLY WITH LINUX. Every time it does it before the installer gets to the grub-install stage. Any way to make the 70 C limit higher?
[01:05] <unix_infidel> supertanker: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Restore_Grub
[01:05] <unix_infidel> supertanker: you're laptop is good all the way up to 100C
[01:06] <unix_infidel> something else is causing the problem
[01:06] <en1gma> i have to come to windows just to use irc
[01:06] <unix_infidel> en1gma: you're using xchat?
[01:06] <Telroth_Plushie|> en1gma, sudo apt-get install identd
[01:06] <en1gma> tried a few diff ones including xchat
[01:06] <Telroth_Plushie|> kvirc is the best ;)
[01:06] <Telroth_Plushie|> most features ;)
[01:06] <en1gma> is there a gui for "identd"
[01:07] <Telroth_Plushie|> not that i know of
[01:07] <en1gma> even in windows i with mirc i have to run an ident service
[01:07] <Telroth_Plushie|> kvirc has a mini-ident daemon built in
[01:07] <en1gma> ohhh really
[01:07] <Telroth_Plushie|> mirc has an ident service
[01:07] <en1gma> mirc ident serivce sucks
[01:07] <BluesKaj> supertanker, 70C is hot ...there's gotta be something else wrong
[01:07] <en1gma> i had to install a sepereate one
[01:07] <Telroth_Plushie|> mirc's is sufficient for irc servers that require it
[01:07] <en1gma> mirc isnt an ident "service"
[01:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> no, but it provides one.
[01:08] <en1gma> no it dont
[01:08] <supertanker> Um...that article...is for ubuntu
[01:08] <en1gma> i use it everyday and it dont work with this router
[01:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> i've used it before en1gma
[01:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> oh
[01:08] <en1gma> it is not a service
[01:08] <supertanker> remember, now the live Kubntu CD uses that installer that really pisses me off
[01:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> well are you forwarding the port?
[01:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> have to forward the port to the computer
[01:08] <supertanker> it even said "System reached critical tempreture (70C) shutting down..."
[01:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> or else it can't see the ident service
[01:08] <en1gma> i already have all that forwarded
[01:09] <en1gma> i have to have an ident service like the one i got
[01:09] <en1gma> mirc dont work for some reason
[01:09] <en1gma> anyhow i need it in linux windows isnt the prob :)
[01:09] <Telroth_Plushie|> it's sufficient for the networks i go to (efnet, freenode, dragon-fire, draconic)
[01:09] <supertanker> yeah, about that alternate CD, its a bit hard to get on dialup
[01:09] <en1gma> ill install identd next time see if that helps but i think i have to tell it what to respon with
[01:10] <Telroth_Plushie|> en1gma, sudo apt-get install ident
[01:10] <en1gma> yea but im sure it needs configured
[01:10] <Telroth_Plushie|> no
[01:10] <Dink> Can someone help me with.... http://xgl.pastebin.com/797051
[01:10] <en1gma> ohhh
[01:10] <en1gma> ok
[01:10] <Telroth_Plushie|> it shouls automatically respond with your username
[01:10] <Telroth_Plushie|> *should
[01:10] <en1gma> ok
[01:10] <Telroth_Plushie|> because that's the point of an ident server - determine who's currently logged in
[01:10] <en1gma> ohh one more thing (important
[01:11] <Telroth_Plushie|> mmm?
[01:11] <supertanker> my laptop temp right now is about 64
[01:11] <Telroth_Plushie|> 64C ?
[01:11] <Telroth_Plushie|> what's it sitting on?
[01:12] <supertanker> On carpet, but there is a 1/2 inch airspace below it (I have it on stands)
[01:12] <supertanker> my desktop is at 40
[01:12] <supertanker> as usual
[01:12] <en1gma> im following this guide here "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto" and in his example he uses this command "debootstrap breezy /target" i want to use the amd64 6.10 how do i tell it to get that
[01:12] <Telroth_Plushie|> 64 is really high
[01:12] <supertanker> Okay, it dropped 7 degrees for some reason
[01:12] <en1gma> i dont want breezy
[01:12] <Telroth_Plushie|> type "top"
[01:12] <en1gma> what all can i use with debootstrap
[01:12] <supertanker> I set it on a carbonite board now
[01:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> en1gma, debootstrap --arch=i386 breezy /target i think
[01:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> err
[01:13] <en1gma> not i386
[01:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> change arch
[01:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> to amd64
[01:13] <supertanker> I think it may be related to the CDrom, because when I went farther with the install it skyrocketed to 68C
[01:13] <en1gma> what about dopper?
[01:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> and breezy to dapper or edgy depending on what you want
[01:13] <en1gma> is 6.10 edgy?
[01:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> no
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> if you want edgy you need to upgrade debootstrap first
[01:13] <en1gma> i want the latest
[01:14] <BluesKaj> yup 6.10 is edgy
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> (unless there is a new version in backports)
[01:14] <BluesKaj> 6.06 is dapper
[01:14] <en1gma> 6.10 edgy if its amd64 is what i want
[01:14] <Telroth_Plushie|> supertanker, type "top" and tell me what your load averages are
[01:14] <supertanker> okay
[01:14] <supertanker> let me see
[01:14] <en1gma> how do i update debootstrap
[01:14] <Telroth_Plushie|> sudo apt-get install debootstrap
[01:14] <supertanker> omg it just hit 78
[01:14] <BluesKaj> why amd 64 ...it won't support alot of hardware
[01:15] <en1gma> i think it will support my hardware :)
[01:15] <en1gma> i hope
[01:15] <supertanker> it says 1.52, 1.64, 1.02
[01:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> ahhh
[01:15] <BluesKaj> amd 64 not ready for primetime
[01:15] <en1gma> let me reboot to alternate
[01:15] <en1gma> brb
[01:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> something's muching your processor
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> en1gma: software raid is a waste of time (imho)
[01:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> big time
[01:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> what's on the top of the list?
[01:15] <supertanker> the temperature is still up at about 60 C
[01:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> what's the process using the most cpu ?
[01:15] <supertanker> ksysguard, me watching the tempreture
[01:16] <Telroth_Plushie|> what % cpu is it using ?
[01:16] <unix_infidel> hey guys, when i try to do "#" in vim it spits out "X#" when i use the keycombo shift+3
[01:16] <supertanker> about 9.0
[01:17] <supertanker> when I go forward in the installer, ubiquity natrually goes to the top
[01:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> supertanker, it should say CPU(s): xx.x%us <-- what's in the xx's ?
[01:17] <supertanker> ah
[01:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> supertanker, if you've got 1.00+ load averages, then you have something seriously eating your processor
[01:17] <supertanker> let me see....about 50% us, 13.6 system, and 0 ni
[01:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> see
[01:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> your processor is using ~60-70 % constantly
[01:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> that's why it's so hot
[01:18] <supertanker> top three are ksysguard, ubiquity, and Xorg
[01:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> average amount for each?
[01:18] <supertanker> about 10 % for sysguard, 8% for ubiquity, and 6% for xorg
[01:19] <sinpath> can any one give me the url on how to install mozilla firefox?
[01:19] <unix_infidel> anyone/
[01:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> sinpath, "sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox" <-- type into terminal
[01:19] <supertanker> woah, ksysguard just hit 50 for a second
[01:20] <sinpath> ty
[01:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> unix_infidel, read vim docs, i don't know much about it
[01:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> sinpath, stop using ksysguard and open a terminal
[01:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> use top
[01:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> it uses much less resources
[01:20] <supertanker> how do I monitor temperature using top
[01:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> you can't
[01:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> top is for cpu usage
[01:21] <supertanker> so how else do I monitor temperature
[01:21] <unix_infidel> supertanker: man acpi
[01:21] <Telroth_Plushie|> your problem currently is that your cpu is skyrocketing
[01:21] <Telroth_Plushie|> we need to stop using it so it can cool down ;)
[01:21] <Telroth_Plushie|> you can use it later
[01:21] <Telroth_Plushie|> but for right now top may be a bit more effective
[01:22] <sinpath> oh
[01:22] <supertanker> ah okay
[01:22] <supertanker> my CPU temp is 146.1 F
[01:22] <Telroth_Plushie|> which is extremely hot
[01:22] <supertanker> lets touch the heatsink and find out :)
[01:22] <Telroth_Plushie|> you have something or several things that are eating your processor
[01:22] <supertanker> just kidding
[01:23] <Telroth_Plushie|> what all do you have open atm?
[01:23] <Telroth_Plushie|> (apps, etc)
[01:23] <supertanker> ubiquity installer, two Konsole windows, one with top, one trying to get acpi to loop
[01:23] <Telroth_Plushie|> supertanker, what is ubiquity? i'm unfamiliar with this program name. is it the kubuntu installer ?
[01:24] <supertanker> yeah
[01:24] <Telroth_Plushie|> ok
[01:24] <Dink> anyway to install libqt3-mt-dev on edgy ??
[01:24] <sinpath> ok thanks telroth is there anything else i need to do ?
[01:24] <Telroth_Plushie|> what are you trying to do with acpi?
[01:24] <supertanker> yes, ubiquity is the stupid live CD installer
[01:25] <supertanker> temp is now 127.4 F
[01:25] <Telroth_Plushie|> sinpath, click start -> internet -> mozilla firefox
[01:25] <XVampireX> Dapper to Edgy: Do I get upstart during the upgrade or do I have to manually install it?
[01:25] <supertanker> my desktop never goes above 45 C
[01:25] <Telroth_Plushie|> in top
[01:25] <supertanker> 122.2 F
[01:25] <Telroth_Plushie|> is it still reporting ~60-70 cpu usage?
[01:26] <Telroth_Plushie|> if so, is the processes below matching that?
[01:26] <supertanker> about 10.0 if I don't do anything
[01:26] <Telroth_Plushie|> ok
[01:26] <supertanker> and its mosly ubiquity
[01:26] <supertanker> which is just sitting there
[01:26] <Telroth_Plushie|> don't do anything for a bit
[01:26] <Telroth_Plushie|> temp should drop
[01:26] <supertanker> briliant idea to use a python script for the main installer
[01:26] <steveire> I want to mount my edgy partition in dapper. Is there a script I can run again to find and mount all available drives?
[01:27] <burcu> hi,has edgy's ipw2200 drivers problem?
[01:27] <steveire> I think it was done automatically when I installed dapper
[01:27] <Telroth_Plushie|> steveire, edit your /etc/fstab file. i think there's a graphical editor in advanced system settings
[01:27] <sinpath> thanks man
[01:27] <supertanker> temperature is between 52-54 C constantly now
[01:27] <Telroth_Plushie|> you'll have to add it manually, but that's the easiest way to edit it
[01:27] <Telroth_Plushie|> :)
[01:27] <supertanker> you would think they would make the laptop fan a bit more effective
[01:27] <Telroth_Plushie|> load ~.3-.6 ?
[01:27] <supertanker> I have it on High Performance mode instead of battery mode in the BIOS too
[01:27] <supertanker> um...
[01:28] <supertanker> still 8.3 for ubiquity
[01:28] <supertanker> I think that is as low as it will go
[01:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> (load averages)
[01:28] <supertanker> um
[01:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> laptop fans are horrible
[01:28] <supertanker> 0.2, 0.6, 0.95
[01:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> ok
[01:28] <supertanker> you know, the reason my dad gave this too me was because it was overheating...
[01:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> .2 to .6 is ok, .6 is a bit hight
[01:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> *high
[01:28] <supertanker> what are the three numbers for?
[01:29] <supertanker> 0.11, 0.59, 0.90
[01:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> they are different averages over time
[01:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> first is like 10 seconds
[01:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> or 2 seconds
[01:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> second is like 1 minute
[01:29] <supertanker> ah
[01:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> and third is 10 min or 5 min or somthing
[01:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> i mean, mine gets around 1.00 sometimes
[01:29] <supertanker> why the heck is ubuquity taking up so much CPU? It's just SITTING there. Maybe a python script takes up a lot of power looping or something
[01:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> but that's because i have a single app running that i know is doing that
[01:30] <Telroth_Plushie|> supertanker, what do you mean sitting there?
[01:30] <Telroth_Plushie|> it's not installing?
[01:30] <XVampireX> Dapper to Edgy: Do I get upstart during the upgrade or do I have to manually install it?
[01:30] <supertanker> I have ubiquity just sitting there, before I commit the changes
[01:30] <Meta[CNTDWN] > bye all
[01:30] <supertanker> should I click the final install button?
[01:30] <Telroth_Plushie|> supertanker, in that case, i'd install and get it over with :P
[01:30] <en1gma> ok who told me about kvirc ? :)
[01:30] <Telroth_Plushie|> i did
[01:30] <Telroth_Plushie|> kvirc ftw
[01:31] <en1gma> it works but how do i get rid of that big ass window on the left hand side "windows list"
[01:31] <supertanker> holy
[01:31] <supertanker> load just went to 2.32
[01:31] <Telroth_Plushie|> en1gma, how do you plan to change channels ?
[01:31] <supertanker> 66 C temperature
[01:31] <Telroth_Plushie|> (that window list is akin to mirc's switch bar)
[01:31] <Telroth_Plushie|> supertanker, is the fan even running ?
[01:31] <supertanker> I can actually feel the fan get hotter
[01:31] <supertanker> yes
[01:31] <XVampireX> Dapper to Edgy: Do I get upstart during the upgrade or do I have to manually install it?
[01:31] <en1gma> ok i should at least be able to adjust the size somehow
[01:31] <en1gma> that thing is huge
[01:31] <supertanker> full blast. As usual
[01:32] <en1gma> 1/3 of my screen
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> en1gma,
[01:32] <en1gma> sup
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> hover your cursor over the bar between it and the channel winow
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> *window
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> it'll turn into a double arror
[01:32] <supertanker> 69 C
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> lift click and hold
[01:32] <en1gma> now i tried to move that before and it wouldnt
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> then drag to desired side
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> *size
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> it moves
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> i just tried it
[01:32] <en1gma> yea it moves but i tried it b4 i asked how to do it and it wouldnt
[01:33] <supertanker> maybe if I let it run on battery power, it won't heat charging or anything
[01:33] <supertanker> hey, it went down 1 C when I unplugged it :)
[01:33] <en1gma> ok onto making sure i do the right version for that deboot
[01:33] <en1gma> i have to update it to get edgy?
[01:33] <Telroth_Plushie|> supertanker, you should have it checked out if it's heating up that fast
[01:33] <Telroth_Plushie|> i'll bbl guys
[01:34] <supertanker> went down another C
[01:34] <supertanker> k
[01:34] <supertanker> It's an ancient Toshiba
[01:34] <supertanker> so I don't know if I can do that
[01:34] <supertanker> i'll probabbly just get a new one if I need to
[01:34] <Telroth_Plushie|> i'd recommend that
[01:34] <Telroth_Plushie|> all the exploding batteries lately would have me on edge :P
[01:35] <supertanker> like one faster than 1 ghz
[01:35] <Telroth_Plushie|> wait for macbook pros to have intel core duo
[01:35] <Telroth_Plushie|> then install mac os x and windows and linux on it
[01:35] <Telroth_Plushie|> ;)
[01:35] <supertanker> lol
[01:35] <Kr4t05> Tri-Boot!
[01:35] <supertanker> I'd rather have AMD x2
[01:35] <Telroth_Plushie|> lol
[01:35] <Kr4t05> :D~
[01:35] <Telroth_Plushie|> you'll be close to my system then
[01:35] <supertanker> I could probably get it to quadrople boot
[01:36] <Kr4t05> That's it, I'm building a Triforce themed PC. :)
[01:36] <Telroth_Plushie|> dell demension 4600, windows, suse 9.3, kubuntu 6.01 edgy knot 3, mac os x 10.4.3, mac os x 10.4.5
[01:36] <Telroth_Plushie|> quintboot!
[01:36] <Telroth_Plushie|> quint = 5 ;)
[01:36] <Kr4t05> Windows XP, Mac OS X Leopard and Edgy. :)
[01:36] <Telroth_Plushie|> what hardware ?
[01:36] <Kr4t05> That would be hawt.
[01:37] <Telroth_Plushie|> oh
[01:37] <Kr4t05> Psh, my current hardware is a joke.
[01:37] <Telroth_Plushie|> see, i have edgy, windows, and tiger atm
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> no interesting ones there - plan9 / debian/kfreebsd / qnx etc
[01:38] <nnn0> :)
[01:39] <Kr4t05> Intel Celeron D 2.26GHz, Kingston DDR400 2x512MB Dual Channel, XFX nVidia Geforce 6200 256MB, Biostar P4VMA-M main board, and two feebie disk drives totaling ~50GB
[01:39] <supertanker> OMG my laptop just hit 78 C
[01:39] <Kr4t05> Not that great.
[01:39] <supertanker> no
[01:39] <Telroth_Plushie|> about my setup
[01:39] <Dink> Anyone able to help... im trying to get libqt3-mt-dev on edgy but its giving me dependancies issues
[01:40] <Kr4t05> I want to upgrade to a 3GHz P4 and a 7600
[01:40] <Telroth_Plushie|> *about what my setup is
[01:40] <THY733T> hi,is there a problem with edgy's ipw2200 drivers?
[01:40] <Kr4t05> I'll upgrade this box for college, and leave my "power system
[01:41] <Kr4t05> " at home to ssh into on lonely nights. :P
[01:41] <stisev> hi all
[01:41] <stisev> anyone know if there's a Kubuntu 6.10 LIVE cd out there?
[01:41] <Telroth_Plushie|> 2.66ghz p4, 768mb ddr ram, 3 drives for 410gb, nv gf 5200fx
[01:41] <Telroth_Plushie|> stisev, yes, and a live dvd
[01:41] <stisev> Telroth_Plushie|,
[01:41] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Kernel build still running ?
[01:41] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Yeah.
[01:41] <Telroth_Plushie|> stisev, kubuntu.com -> click downloads
[01:41] <stisev> Telroth_Plushie|, Can you provide a link?  I can't seem to find it via Google :(
[01:42] <Kr4t05> Telroth_Plushie|: I can't seem to get my board to detect a third drive, or else I'd add another 15GB I have lying around.
[01:42] <Telroth_Plushie|> http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[01:42] <Telroth_Plushie|> live dvds are at the bottom
[01:43] <stisev> Telroth_Plushie|, the links @ the bottom don't work
[01:43] <stisev> Telroth_Plushie|, all of them are dead
[01:44] <Kr4t05> Does anyone watch a lot of anime?
[01:44] <supertanker> damnit, laptop overheated again
[01:44] <stisev> Kr4t05, a little yes
[01:44] <stisev> The torrent is the only one that works, but it's godawful slow
[01:44] <Kr4t05> stisev: ever hear of a series called Chobits?
[01:45] <stisev> Yes
[01:45] <stisev> I've watched the whole series
[01:45] <stisev> I'd give it a 5-6/10
[01:45] <stisev> There's a lot better Anime out there
[01:45] <stisev> Try these:
[01:45] <Kr4t05> I want to build a Sumomo-themed handheld, now. :P
[01:45] <LeeJunFan> There's a lot better to watch than anime, like '24' ! now that's something to watch.
[01:45] <stisev> 1) Trigun 2) Full Metal Alchemist 3) PRince of Tennis 4) Naruto 5) Bleach 6) One Piece
[01:45] <Dr_willis> Chobits :) that was an inetresting series
[01:46] <LeeJunFan> Batman wears Jack Bauer pajamas.
[01:46] <Kr4t05> stisev: I love Naruto, not to wild about One Piece, as for the others, I've never had the opportunity.
[01:46] <Kr4t05> I'll watch whatever I can get a hold of.
[01:46] <Dr_willis> One Piece - is just... odd. :P and amuseing.. for the Younger Crowd
[01:46] <stisev> Kr4t05, WHAT?
[01:47] <stisev> One piece rules!
[01:47] <nnn0> Jack Bauer learned everything he can from Chuck Norris
[01:47] <Kr4t05> I regularly borrow Galaxy Angel from a friend.
[01:47] <stisev> Kr4t05: Get Bleach... NOW
[01:47] <stisev> Bleach is one of the top series running in Japan right now
[01:47] <LeeJunFan> nnn0: Chuck Norris counted to inifinity - twice!
[01:47] <nnn0> :)
[01:47] <stisev> I would definitely get bleach
[01:47] <Dr_willis> Heh - I got 3 seasons of Galazy ANgel - that could of been SUCH a better series..
[01:47] <stisev> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/6.06.1/release.1/kubuntu-6.06.1-dvd-i386.iso
[01:47] <stisev> Is that a Kubuntu Live CD?
[01:47] <Kr4t05> stisev: lol, ok.
[01:47] <stisev> I can't tell =\
[01:47] <Kr4t05> Dr_willis: It's scary...
[01:48] <Kr4t05> I'm literally worried about my sanity with that show.
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> stisev: live cd and the whole of main
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> stisev: and the install cd
[01:48] <Dr_willis> Kr4t05,  yea - they had such a neat idea for a series. and neat characters... but then its like they dumb it down for little kids.
[01:48] <LeeJunFan> nnn0: of course Chuck Norris prays to Bruce Lee. :)
[01:48] <Kr4t05> Dr_willis: I like the manga better
[01:48] <Kr4t05> Dr_willis: Have you ever seen the GA manga?
[01:48] <Dr_willis> Kr4t05,  never seen it. :)
[01:48] <Dr_willis> I dont get into Manga.
[01:48] <Kr4t05> It is ALOT better than the series.
[01:49] <Kr4t05> Eh, I'm not so much, either.
[01:49] <Dr_willis> perhaps some day - i can get a Tablet PC. so i can read all these comic book files at work.
[01:49] <stisev> h3sp4wn, thanks
[01:49] <stisev> Guys, I'm having a little problem
[01:49] <stisev> but it's not directly linux-related
[01:49] <Kr4t05> stisev: No big. :)
[01:49] <stisev> I'm doing a triple boot system and Grub began to give me Error 22
[01:49] <Dr_willis> Girl Troubles stisev ? we can handle it..
[01:49] <supertanker> is taking apart a toshiba laptop a bad idea?
[01:49] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:49] <stisev> I restored the MBR via XP Repair Console and am now trying to get GRUB back
[01:49] <Dr_willis> supertanker,  depends on how carefull you are.
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> stisev: you need to boot into rescue mode from a CD and replace grub
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> !mbr
[01:50] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:50] <nnn0> eheh
[01:50] <Kr4t05> stisev: menu.list is referencing an install that doesn't exist.
[01:50] <Kr4t05> I think...
[01:50] <supertanker> i'm being careful
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> stisev: see what ubotu says above about grub.
[01:50] <stisev> Kr4t05, I have a backup copy of the menu.list file on my computer
[01:51] <stisev> I used SPFDisk (special FDisk) to set the windows partition as active so I can talk to you guys
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: well, taking apart any laptop is tedious, but generally as long as you are fiarly mechanically inclined it won't be too bad. Just annoying.
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> s/fiarly/fairly/
[01:51] <Dr_willis> and they can be real puzzle box's
[01:52] <stisev> Is there any way to copy paste 10-12 lines without being kicked from here
[01:52] <stisev> heh
[01:52] <Dr_willis> try #paste
[01:52] <Dr_willis> :P
[01:52] <LeeJunFan> !pastebin
[01:52] <Telroth_Plushie|> stisev, pastebin.com ;)
[01:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:52] <stisev> sweet
[01:52] <stisev> going to pastebin now
[01:52] <nnn0> use a pastebin !
[01:53] <stisev> Trying it now.  Site is a little slow
[01:53] <nnn0> k :)
[01:53] <stisev> I have to say I'm very impressed by the level of support here =)
[01:54] <nnn0> :)
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> stisev: yeah, pastebins everywhere are slow. :(
[01:54] <supertanker> did toshiba make the 1805 annoying to take apart on purpose?
[01:54] <nnn0> of course
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> yeah, they all do.
[01:55] <stisev> I mean, it's like realllly slow
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> Although I'd have to say of all the brands I've had to take apart I think toshiba was the worst.
[01:55] <BluesKaj> try pastebin in your country code ..it exists in other domains as well as .org and .com ...canada uses .ca which is quite fast
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> yeah, that could be it - pastebin loaded quick for me.
[01:56] <supertanker> whaaat the hell? It looks like there is RUST inside my laptop?
[01:56] <Torched> might just be cheetoh dust
[01:56] <stisev> OK
[01:56] <stisev> title		Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[01:56] <stisev> root		(hd0,1)
[01:56] <stisev> savedefault
[01:56] <stisev> makeactive
[01:56] <stisev> chainloader	+1
[01:56] <stisev> title Mac OS X x86 10.4.1
[01:56] <stisev> rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[01:56] <stisev> makeactive
[01:56] <stisev> chainloader +1
[01:56] <h3sp4wn> !paste
[01:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:56] <stisev> omfg
[01:56] <stisev> lol
[01:56] <nnn0> ups
[01:56] <stisev> sorry guys! I thought I COPIED the damn link from my browseer
[01:56] <stisev> http://pastebin.ca/186469
[01:56] <Torched> i forgive you
[01:57] <stisev> That's the code I have inside of my menu.list file (GRUB)
[01:57] <supertanker> found my laptop fan
[01:57] <LeeJunFan> doh, I don't have one - I hate everyone!
[01:57] <supertanker> now lets see if I can get it out without killing myself
[01:57] <Torched> ...is the laptop on?
[01:57] <nnn0> :D
[01:57] <stisev> I'm downloading the live DVD now.  1MB/sec and it's still 1 hr left lol
[01:58] <supertanker> no
[01:58] <supertanker> its not
[01:58] <en1gma> what is the command to see what 'debootstrap' base systems are? ex: "debootstrap breezy /target" in the guide but i have an amd64 x2 and want the latest avail which is edgy 6.10
[01:58] <supertanker> but the cover is still very warm to the touch, 17 mins later
[01:59] <stisev> brb
[01:59] <Torched> interesting
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> en1gma: I think you need to start out by installing edgy's version of debootstrap.
[01:59] <Torched> does the fan even work?
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> en1gma: the breezy one doesn't have the list for edgy's files.
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> nor does the dapper one.
[02:00] <en1gma> well im using the dapper 6.06 dvd right now
[02:00] <en1gma> ohh
[02:00] <supertanker> should I have waited for it to cool before taking the heatsink off? Because a lot of thermal sealent came with it, still part liquid
[02:00] <en1gma> crap i bet i need the 6.10 install cd
[02:00] <en1gma> dang it
[02:01] <supertanker> that gives me bad memories, especially since I burnt out my first computer (with a similar exposed processor) by bumping the heatsink while it was still warm, breaking off the chip
[02:01] <en1gma> gonna reboot back to windows
[02:01] <en1gma> bbiam
[02:01] <LeeJunFan> en1gma: yeah, I use debootstrap to install an edgy NFS partition for a thick client setup from a running dapper system, I had to install edgy's debootstrap to debootstrap edgy.
[02:01] <LeeJunFan> owell.
[02:02] <sinpath> ok dose any one know the url for installing the java to mozillafire-fox so i can play runescape?
[02:03] <LeeJunFan> !java
[02:03] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[02:04] <JFreakCapo> hi, how test 3d acceleration ?
[02:04] <Dr_willis> run a game
[02:04] <LeeJunFan> JFreakCapo: glxgears -printfps
[02:04] <Dr_willis> ;)
[02:04] <supertanker> thats odd
[02:04] <sinpath> ty guys
[02:04] <supertanker> there is no reason it should be overheating
[02:05] <supertanker> barely any dust in the fan or heatsink
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> JFreakCapo: glxinfo should tell you direct rendering yes
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: are you sure the fan is spinning freely when it's on?
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: if the bearings in the fan are shot it may spin slow or not at all.
[02:05] <JFreakCapo> what means: 626 frames in 5.0 seconds = 125.193 FPS
[02:06] <JFreakCapo> is good, some good, bad ??
[02:06] <Dr_willis> means it sucks
[02:06] <Dr_willis> :P
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> JFreakCapo: that means no - it's not working.
[02:06] <Dr_willis> what video card ya got?
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> JFreakCapo: I do about 5000+
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> fps that is.
[02:06] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: ping
[02:06] <Dr_willis> 64266 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12853.022 FPS
[02:06] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Pong
[02:06] <JFreakCapo> it is an Ati Mobility radeon X300
[02:06] <Dr_willis> Pongo
[02:07] <Dr_willis> well thats not much of a video card to begin with
[02:07] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: cool your here. did you set up your repo for edgy yet?
[02:07] <Dr_willis> You did install the ati drivers?
[02:07] <Dr_willis> !ati
[02:07] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:07] <LeeJunFan> Dr_willis: what the h!@# gfx card you have?
[02:07] <JFreakCapo> yes i recently install the drivers
[02:07] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: No not yet since I'm only running Edgy in vmware at the moment
[02:07] <LeeJunFan> Dr_willis: or did you resize the window to 50x50 pixels?
[02:07] <JFreakCapo> that's why a want test it
[02:07] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Got someone asking for Edgy packages already ?
[02:07] <cpk2> whats the command to find out your kernel version?
[02:07] <Dr_willis> LeeJunFan,  nvidia 6800BFG i think
[02:07] <Hawkwind> cpk2: uname -a
[02:08] <Dr_willis> Its not even that new..
[02:08] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: me!!! i ran into depends issues with the dapper ones yesterday
[02:08] <supertanker> LeeJunFan yeah the fan spins freely. And loudly. Very loudly.
[02:08] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Really ??  I've been using the dapper version on Edgy for a few weeks without issues
[02:08] <JFreakCapo> Dr_willis: i follow all the instructions is possible to make my card works better ?
[02:08] <Dr_willis> JFreakCapo,  proberly not much luck in that.. You got a rather low end card My laptop has a lower end card then that..
[02:08] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: it might have just been yesterday but i figured id ask if you ran repo for edgy before trying again
[02:09] <Dr_willis> let me see what its glxgears reads..
[02:09] <JFreakCapo> Dr_willis: thks
[02:09] <Kr4t05> Blah... This is taking forever...
[02:09] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Not yet for Edgy.  Will hopefully have it done within the next 2 weeks at the latest I hope
[02:09] <cpk2> do i wan to use the restricted module that uname -a prints out or just the plain 386 one for installing the nvidia drivers?
[02:09] <JFreakCapo> Dr_willis: my card is 128 Mb, is it enough ?
[02:09] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: ok ty
[02:09] <cpk2> want*
[02:09] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: No problem.  I'll let you know when it's available
[02:10] <gnomefreak> ok ty Hawkwind  ;)
[02:10] <supertanker> it looks like most of the thermal putty slowly flowed off the core chip, leaving less to transfer heat
[02:11] <Dr_willis> JFreakCapo,  you sure its not USING 128mb of the system memory?
[02:11] <Dr_willis> JFreakCapo,  memory is not that big a item for the glxgears test
[02:11] <JFreakCapo> no, shure, i pay for that card in my laptop
[02:11] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: that was lame of toshiba to use putty/gell in the first place.
[02:12] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: that stuff evaporates.
[02:12] <Kr4t05> supertanker: Get some AS5.
[02:12] <LeeJunFan> yep, use thermal transfer pad/tape.
[02:12] <supertanker> some what?
[02:12] <Kr4t05> Arctic silver
[02:12] <Kr4t05> I need to find a really short IDE cable.
[02:12] <Dr_willis> i get 269 fps on mine
[02:13] <Kr4t05> I mean really short.
[02:13] <supertanker> I get 9573 FPS on mine
[02:13] <Dr_willis> so you really SHOULD be getting a little better
[02:13] <Dr_willis> thats on a X200M video card
[02:13] <cpk2> how do you get it to print fps?
[02:15] <XVampireX> Hi
[02:15] <XVampireX> I'm having a HUGE problem
[02:15] <bjb79> cpk2: glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[02:15] <XVampireX> I'm going to post it here, it's not too much but I hope it's okey, too...
[02:15] <XVampireX> Removing spring-basedata ...
[02:15] <XVampireX> /var/lib/dpkg/info/spring-basedata.postrm: line 23: spring-modupdate: command not found
[02:16] <XVampireX> dpkg: error processing spring-basedata (--remove):
[02:16] <XVampireX>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127
[02:16] <XVampireX> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:16] <XVampireX>  spring-basedata
[02:16] <XVampireX> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:16] <XVampireX> What should I do?
[02:16] <LeeJunFan> not paste more than 3 lines first. :p
[02:16] <XVampireX> ...
[02:17] <LeeJunFan> XVampireX: gimme a sec to locate that.
[02:17] <XVampireX> ok
[02:17] <LeeJunFan> try installing it again? then remove?
[02:18] <cpk2> bjb79: i already knew that, big numbers make everyone feel good though =P
[02:18] <XVampireX> LeeJunFan: Thanks, I hope this works
[02:18] <bjb79> cpk2: you asked =P I'm somewhat ashamed of my fps, but eh, oh well.
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> XVampireX: you may have to use something like apt-get install --reinstall , or dpkg with some --force
[02:19] <XVampireX> Nah, it installs it fine
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> I have a feeling it's an error in the post script package itself though.
[02:20] <Kr4t05> Jesus, 200 frogskins for a 6GM microDrive?
[02:20] <Kr4t05> GB*
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> GM would be something!
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> :)
[02:21] <Kr4t05> What would GM be?
[02:21] <XVampireX> Game Master
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> Giga Meg
[02:21] <Kr4t05> lol
[02:21] <cpk2> !nvidia
[02:21] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:25] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: here i got something for you
[02:25] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Ahh, you didn't have to get the $1 million I requested :P
[02:25] <gnomefreak> ;)
[02:26] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: this is gonna be more fun for you :)
[02:26] <supertanker> Wow, laptop harddrives are tiny
[02:26] <supertanker> physically
[02:26] <Kr4t05> 2.5in
[02:26] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Wow, this must be something really nice then :)
[02:26] <gnomefreak> oh yeah
[02:27] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: im sending the errros to pastebin for you and its taking tis sweet friggin time
[02:27] <Kr4t05> Hrm...
[02:27] <Kr4t05> I need to find a cheap source for 5" touchscreens.
[02:28] <ZEN2_> where r u
[02:28] <Kr4t05> Me?
[02:28] <ZEN2_> yah
[02:28] <Kr4t05> USA, East Coast.
[02:28] <LeeJunFan> Kr4t05: ATM's? Just a pickup truck and a chain.
[02:28] <ZEN2_> hmmm
[02:28] <Kr4t05> Le
[02:28] <Kr4t05> LeeJunFan: Hey, you just made me remember something!
[02:28] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: If need be, you can use http://pastebin.ulteo.us  which should be super quick
[02:29] <gnomefreak> i got mine open after trying 2 others
[02:29] <Kr4t05> LeeJunFan: My brother has some connections to a recycle place that regularly gets de-comissioned pumps. He dumped a 9.1GB SCSI drive on my lap a few weeks ago.
[02:29] <ZEN2_> if you were in australia i would supply myself but since your not ill have to let it pass
[02:29] <Kr4t05> I need to convince him to take me for a ride to this place.
[02:30] <supertanker> is it a stupid idea to power on my toshiba before I put the top panels and keyboard fully back on?
[02:30] <supertanker> lets find out
[02:30] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/127
[02:30] <Kr4t05> supertanker: er...
[02:30] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: holy crap thats fast
[02:30] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: some machines have odd grounding that may not be right if it's not fully re-assembled, but usually it won't hurt.
[02:31] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: unless you drop something inside the exposed innards.
[02:31] <supertanker> the fan is running smother after I cleaned it
[02:32] <supertanker> feels a bit cooler too
[02:32] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Thanks  I'll look into it and see what's going on and hopefully I'll have an Edgy repo up soon for everyone
[02:32] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: k cool just letting you know before others find out :)
[02:33] <supertanker> lets touch the fan when it is spinning and see what happens
[02:33] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Greatly appreciated
[02:33] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I might put up a note on the site later stating that the repo shouldn't really be used on Edgy for those that *might* actually read :)
[02:33] <cpk2> is there any way to verify i installed my nvidia drivers correctly?
[02:33] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[02:33] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  restart X and see if ya see the nvidia logo
[02:34] <Hawkwind> cpk2: glxinfo | grep render   will tell you
[02:34] <Hawkwind> cpk2: Or even nvidia-settings IIRC
[02:34] <Hawkwind> Dr_willis: That doesn't always work because not everyone will see the Nvidia logo
[02:34] <cpk2> yeah i dont think i saw the logo =\
[02:34] <Hawkwind> Dr_willis: I haven't seen it in 2+ years now, and I run Nvidia with twinview
[02:35] <cpk2> i didnt put the option not to see it in either
[02:35] <supertanker> Are there openGl drivers for the Trident CyberBlade XP series?
[02:35] <Hawkwind> cpk2: So try glxinfo | grep render  or look at nvidia-settings
[02:35] <cpk2> so I am assuming if it says i have direct rendering and lists my card in opengl renderer string I am good to go?
[02:36] <Hawkwind> cpk2: That would be correct
[02:36] <cpk2> Hawkwind: great thanks =)
[02:36] <supertanker> 58 C is still fairly abnormal, right?
[02:36] <Dr_willis> Hawkwind,  it may be flashing on so fast you dont see it.
[02:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:36] <cpk2> now i just need to add in modelines...
[02:36] <Dr_willis> Hawkwind,  with a CRT i dont see it.. with a LCD i do
[02:37] <supertanker> good, it is holding steady at about 55
[02:37] <supertanker> either it likes running without the top cover, or I did something else good for the fan
[02:38] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: did you move it from where it was sitting?
[02:38] <supertanker> nope
[02:40] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: just wondering if maybe it was on something soft before, like some type of fabric. That's not good becaues the fans on the bottom don't get the airflow they need.
[02:40] <supertanker> it wasn't on the bottom
[02:40] <supertanker> i think it comes from the back/side
[02:40] <supertanker> uh oh
[02:40] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: ah, mine are on bottom and backside. The fans are on bottom, the air intakes are on the back and side.
[02:41] <supertanker> the temperature shot up again, after I re-affixed the keyboard on the top
[02:41] <supertanker> the fan outputs on the side, dunno where it takes in the air,
[02:42] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Shoot me...
[02:42] <josh_> whats up people
[02:42] <supertanker> josh_ nobody here but us chickens
[02:42] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: I was about 95% through with that compile, when I kicked my wall socket.. (On accident.)
[02:42] <supertanker> lol
[02:42] <cpk2> ouch
[02:42] <josh_> i was going to ask a question... but between bringing up irssi and logging in i forgot what that question was....
[02:43] <josh_> ok... what was that question.... think josh think...
[02:43] <josh_> ahh
[02:43] <josh_> nevermind
[02:43] <josh_> answered that question
[02:43] <josh_> thanks guys lol
[02:43] <Kr4t05> Looks like I'll be up until 1AM tonight.
[02:44] <josh_> why can't windows be as easy as linux?!
[02:44] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Heh
[02:44] <LeeJunFan> josh_: because it hides what it's doing behind closed source, so you never understand what it's doing between your mouse clicks and whatever caused it to crash.
[02:44] <LeeJunFan> :p
[02:45] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Have you tried installing those said deps manually, even though it should pull them in as they are in the SoS rep ?
[02:45] <h3sp4wn> Kr4t05: 1:45am here
[02:45] <josh_> lol
[02:45] <supertanker> I think one of the reasons that the toshiba gets so hit
[02:45] <supertanker> hot*
[02:45] <supertanker> the air intake is right UNDER the CDROM drive!
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: if you aren't using the CD drive at the time it should be hot though.
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> shouldn't
[02:45] <supertanker> "If i'm not using the CD Drive at the time"
[02:45] <josh_> i have to work with people that think windows is "bloody marvelous" all day... they tell me it works great... i tell them... yeah sometimes it does that
[02:46] <supertanker> did you happen to read what I was doing in the first place?
[02:46] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: something is physically wrong though, even if you are compiling a kernel it shouldn't overheat.
[02:46] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: no.
[02:46] <josh_> no... why would we supertanker? lol you aint no body ;P
[02:46] <supertanker> I was installing Kubuntu from the live cd
[02:46] <bobbyz> hey, I'm running into an odd problem migrating from gentoo to kubuntu.  I've got a dwl-650 rev.p wireless b card that in the past I've successfully used the hostap_cs module to handle.  However, I'm running into problems getting it working on kubuntu.  I was using a 2.6.15 kernel before and am now using kubuntu's 2.6.15 kernel.  The weird is that now when I modprobe hostap_cs on kubuntu, nothing is created in /proc/net/hostap (which should b
[02:46] <bobbyz> c to load the card's firmware)
[02:47] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: pick that sucker up, put the air intake on your mouth and blow in it like a prison harmonica.
[02:47] <Kr4t05> h3sp4wn: What version is your pre-made kernel?
[02:47] <bobbyz> Is there something that could be blocking the hostap module from binding to the card?  I don't have much experience with pcmcia, especially pcmciautils
[02:47] <supertanker> lol
[02:47] <supertanker> I tried that, sadly
[02:47] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: maybe the air intake has obstruction?
[02:47] <LeeJunFan> oh.
[02:47] <josh_> or it could be they just had a design flaw....
[02:47] <supertanker> checked that. There is no main air intake, it appears to come from several different areas
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> Kr4t05: No longer available - but was 2.6.16 (with rt patches)
[02:47] <LeeJunFan> bobbyz: yeah, you have to edit /etc/pcmcia/config.opts or some such file.
[02:48] <bobbyz> LeeJunFan: ahh ok, I'll check that out
[02:48] <LeeJunFan> bobbyz: it has manufacturer id's and the modules they are supposed to use along with them.
[02:48] <supertanker> definite design flaw
[02:48] <Kr4t05> Ok, so, I would have been taking a step back to make a step forward. :/
[02:48] <supertanker> it worked 20 F cooler when I had the keyboard off
[02:48] <bobbyz> LeeJunFan: thanks
[02:48] <h3sp4wn> Kr4t05: What do you need to do ?
[02:48] <LeeJunFan> bobbyz: it's just /etc/pcmcia/config
[02:48] <Kr4t05> I want a nice new kernel with rt patches.
[02:49] <Kr4t05> Wait...
[02:49] <h3sp4wn> Kr4t05: Just build 2.6.18 rt4
[02:49] <josh_> supertanker: just take a thumbtack and put a bunch of holes in the keyboard between the keys :P
[02:49] <Kr4t05> I think the compile picked where where it left off...
[02:49] <h3sp4wn> Kr4t05: Just build 2.6.18 rt3 (sorry)
[02:49] <supertanker> lol
[02:49] <supertanker> 66 is still quite high, but it hopefully will not go any higher. Its running fine for now anyways
[02:49] <josh_> Kr4t05: well then you get to go to bed in 20 minutes
[02:49] <LeeJunFan> bobbyz: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25264/
[02:49] <josh_> lol
[02:50] <LeeJunFan> bobbyz: there's mine which I've edited to have my card bound to hostap_cs
[02:50] <supertanker> just out of curiosity, WHY does the live CD installer put EVERYTHING in the virtual group?
[02:51] <LeeJunFan> bobbyz: you can get the manfid and other info for your card with cardctl ident 0 or whatever slot your card is in - maybe 1.
[02:52] <bobbyz> LeeJunFan: thanks a ton
[02:52] <josh_> supertanker: cuz its making a vrtual drive till its installed...?
[02:53] <supertanker> virtual package group
[02:53] <supertanker> and it installs direct to the HD
[02:53] <josh_> lol cuz its a fake package :P
[02:54] <josh_> its actually a very complicated vrius... it lets you interact with millions of free programs and gives you the ability to take of lesser machines.... like windows
[02:54] <josh_> lol windows is spyware
[02:54] <josh_> f**king M$
[02:54] <cpk2> my xorg doesnt seem to use modelines and i really need to change my refresh rate, feels like its hurting my eyes =\
[02:54] <josh_> god i hate that crap
[02:55] <josh_> Dr_willis: what was the reconfigure command for xorg? xorg -reconfigure?
[02:55] <luoluo> hi room
[02:55] <supertanker> owww
[02:55] <Dr_willis> dpkg-reconfigure xorg or somthing like that
[02:56] <josh_> there you go cpk2
[02:56] <luoluo> i wanna play ape on Ubuntu,but dont know how
[02:56] <josh_> lol
[02:56] <supertanker> I just realized that it is bad idea to listen to music when your headphone volume is at 99 %
[02:56] <Dr_willis> ape ?
[02:56] <luoluo> ape music
[02:56] <supertanker> So thats what it would be like to listen to Chevelle live
[02:56] <luoluo> ape format music file
[02:56] <josh_> supertanker: that depends are you hard of hearing?
[02:56] <supertanker> no
[02:56] <josh_> lol are u now?
[02:57] <luoluo> any one knows?
[02:57] <supertanker> could you say that a bit louder?
[02:57] <josh_> hey how do these people have addresses that aren't they're ip addressed
[02:58] <benkong2> why does my knetworkmanager only allow 40/104 bit wep?
[02:58] <cpk2> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i suppose =P
[02:58] <supertanker> "I'm tired of your open mouth, crawling inside my skin, endless pain we never quit, the fight within that prides begun, say it it's too late, what a man's got to learn to hate!"
[02:58] <Telroth_Plushie|> josh_, host names. everyone has one
[02:58] <josh_> like this one visik7 [n=visi@unaffiliated/visik7] 
[02:58] <supertanker> brb
[02:58] <supertanker> gotta go eat
[02:58] <josh_> ir rather have that then my ip
[02:59] <josh_> how do i change my shit
[03:01] <josh_> anyone?
[03:01] <LeeJunFan> josh_: check freenode.org there's info there on it.
[03:01] <josh_> holy crap... i can foreach in irssi
[03:01] <josh_> l;ol
[03:02] <LeeJunFan> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#projectcloak
[03:03] <LeeJunFan> josh_: that link ^^ it's called a cloak.
[03:03] <josh_> oh... thanks man
[03:03] <LeeJunFan> or more appropriately http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[03:03] <LeeJunFan> for a single host cloak.
[03:08] <josh_> oh snap... i can use perl with irssi?!?!
[03:08] <josh_> f'in right doggie
[03:18] <supertanker> gtg
[03:19] <benkong2> can anyone help get networkmanager and 128bit WEP working on my lappy?
[03:21] <[Nige] > hi all
[03:21] <BigIron> Good evening all
[03:22] <BigIron> Does Kubuntu have something like limewire or Kazaa?
[03:25] <[Nige] > I hve lost my notifications area like where gaim goes when you minimise it... not the taskbar list, any ideas on how to get it back?
[03:25] <[Nige] > nevermind
[03:26] <[Nige] > i found it again
[03:27] <XVampireX> LeeJunFan: In the end I had to use aptitude in the command line instead of apt-get, seems like aptitude does a better job.
[03:28] <ku8u> hola
[03:29] <ku8u> hi
[03:29] <ku8u> hello
[03:29] <ku8u> can i have some help!
[03:29] <ku8u> im new using linux and i need some help!
[03:30] <XVampireX> Shoot
[03:30] <Dr_willis> And the problem is>
[03:30] <Kr4t05> ku8u: Whatcha need?
[03:31] <ku8u> i want to install packages.. so i use ./confugure and always give an error
[03:31] <XVampireX> ku8u: it's ./configure
[03:31] <XVampireX> and errors are because you don't have the dependencies
[03:31] <ku8u> thi 1
[03:32] <ku8u> i mean this 1
[03:32] <ku8u> configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[03:32] <Dr_willis> install build-essential for a start
[03:32] <XVampireX> ku8u: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:32] <XVampireX> And
[03:32] <Dr_willis> then other dev packages needed by the program
[03:32] <XVampireX> Wait
[03:32] <XVampireX> I wanna handle this
[03:32] <Kr4t05> Also, make sure it isn't in the repositories before you compile it.
[03:32] <XVampireX> Kr4t05: I hate you
[03:32] <] LaPiN[> .
[03:33] <ku8u> where i can find som 1step programs! u know for warming up!
[03:33] <ku8u> cause
[03:33] <Dr_willis> Huh?
[03:33] <ku8u> i want to lsiten mp3
[03:33] <XVampireX> warming up?
[03:33] <XVampireX> !easyubuntu
[03:33] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[03:33] <Dr_willis> theres sevarl mp3 players out for kubuntu
[03:33] <] LaPiN[> hi
[03:33] <Kr4t05> Dr_willis: I think he means the codecs.
[03:33] <XVampireX> ku8u: check this
[03:33] <Dr_willis> !mp3
[03:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:33] <ku8u> and u know also install fire fox!
[03:34] <Kr4t05> ku8u: Check easyubuntu
[03:34] <Dr_willis> fire up adept and search/install it.
[03:34] <soulrider> does anyone know if its possible to ahve two kickers
[03:34] <Kr4t05> It installs a lot of what you need.
[03:34] <Dr_willis> its very trivial to do.
[03:34] <soulrider> GNOME style ?
[03:34] <unix_infidel> soulrider: yes.
[03:34] <Kr4t05> soulrider: right click on the kicker and add new panel.
[03:34] <XVampireX> soulrider: kicker = panel
[03:34] <unix_infidel> soulrider: technically though, its one kicker instance with two seperate panels.
[03:34] <soulrider> ooooohh
[03:35] <benkong2> can anyone point me to a solution to get NetworkManager working on Kubuntu?
[03:35] <Dr_willis> benkong2,  whats not working with it?
[03:35] <benkong2> Dr_willis: wireless and 128bit wep.
[03:35] <soulrider> eeerr, i added a new application dock
[03:35] <unix_infidel> benkong2: wep is deprecated.
[03:35] <soulrider> and now its all screwed up
[03:35] <ku8u> the only i have had trouble is installing skype!
[03:35] <ku8u> i mean i havent had!
[03:36] <Dr_willis> benkong2,  gee.. thats vague.. :P you sure your wireles card is even working first?
[03:36] <unix_infidel> benkong2: look into setting up WPA+RAIDUS
[03:36] <unix_infidel> erm, RADIUS*
[03:36] <benkong2> It brings up the dialog to enter the key but only 40/104 bit
[03:36] <benkong2> yes the wireless will work using iwconfig
[03:36] <Dr_willis> benkong2,  ive noticed differnet companies - seem to differ on how they count the # of bits..
[03:36] <benkong2> here is a message from the logs that may give a hint
[03:36] <Dr_willis> 40/104 may be 128 bit..
[03:37] <Dr_willis> try it first with out any encryption, then work up from there.. perhaps.
[03:37] <benkong2> message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.host_name
[03:37] <benkong2> Dr_willis: it does work without encryption
[03:37] <Dr_willis> benkong2,  thats a good sign then. :P
[03:38] <benkong2> it sees all the wireless networks in my neighborhood also
[03:38] <Dr_willis> Be sure you are not trying to enter an ascii key when its wanting a Hexidecimal one and visa-versa
[03:38] <benkong2> I am entering or at least choosing hex key
[03:39] <benkong2> does the message mean anything that sounds familiar?
[03:39] <Dr_willis> all the terms the different wireless programs use - gets a bit confisung at times. I noticed my laptop said 64 wep Hexidecimal. ( as an option)
[03:39] <benkong2> this is an IBM X30 thinkpad
[03:39] <cpk1> !xfree
[03:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xfree - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:40] <soulrider> argh, i cant set up this the right way
[03:42] <phoenix_> anyone mind telling me why kubuntu doesnt seem to come with gcc? o.O
[03:43] <nalioth> ku8u: were your questions not answered here to your satisfaction?
[03:43] <CVirus> phoenix_: you could apt-get install gcc if you need it
[03:43] <CVirus> phoenix_: the CD isnt big enough to hold unecessary software
[03:44] <phoenix_> I see
[03:44] <Kr4t05> OK, later people. I'm off to stack my penny tower and play Leaf Green while this kernel compiles.
[03:44] <Kr4t05> ....
[03:45] <Kr4t05> I don't think there can be anymore nerdy a sentence than that...
[03:45] <CVirus> who cares
[03:45] <CVirus> LOL
[03:45] <benkong2> bye I'm off to try and figure out networkmanager
[03:45] <ku8u> ahh not yet!
[03:45] <ku8u> but is ok :)
[03:46] <ku8u> i have this problem whe i open a .dev file
[03:46] <ku8u> configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[03:46] <ku8u> do any know why?
[03:46] <ku8u> :s
[03:47] <nalioth> ku8u: install "build-essential" with adept
[03:47] <Dr_willis> because you dont have gcc installed
[03:47] <Dr_willis> and if you want gcc you proerly want all the 'build-essential' dependencies as well
[03:47] <ku8u> ok
[03:48] <BlueLaguna> can I just upgrade to the kubuntu beta via apt-get ?
[03:49] <tobias___> it connects!'
[03:49] <ku8u> where i can find build-essential!
[03:49] <ku8u> just rum adept
[03:50] <cpk1> grrr why cant i change my refresh rate
[03:50] <Dr_willis> !info build-essential
[03:50] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.1 (dapper), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[03:50] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:50] <Dr_willis> should install it.
[03:51] <ku8u> thnx
[03:54] <Dr_willis> heh. AMC is showing that old Sci-Fi Movie. "The Day The Earth Stood Still"
[03:54] <Dr_willis>  A classic!
[03:59] <Blacken> Alright, so I ran EasyUbuntu and installed the restricted ATI drivers. However, I still can't select a resolution over 1024x768. Can anyone assist?
[03:59] <Dr_willis> did ya reboot yet?
[03:59] <Dr_willis> or restartx?
[04:02] <crema10> hello everybody
[04:02] <Dr_willis> moo
[04:05] <Blacken> Dr_willis: I rebooted immediately after. I see the driver, there's an ATI widget in my K-Menu. But no dice.
[04:05] <Dr_willis> whats no dice?
[04:05] <Dr_willis> video is working byt cant chnge res eh?
[04:05] <Blacken> Dr_willis: The ATI drivers still don't seem to work.
[04:05] <Blacken> Dr_willis: I can change resolution, just only downward.
[04:06] <Dr_willis> its possible your xorg.conf is missing entrys for the higher res.. or it thinks your monito can only handle the lower res.
[04:06] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[04:06] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:06] <Dr_willis> may want to check there.. ive never had the problem
[04:07] <Blacken> Dr_willis: Odd thing is...I ran 6.06 Ubuntu for a while. Reinstalled with 6.06 Kubuntu, and now I have this. And...that's a new one--"Driver does not provide FireGL extensions"?
[04:07] <Blacken> (When opening the ATI applet)
[04:09] <crema10> Dr_willis: did you get a chance to mess around with Zen yet?
[04:10] <Dr_willis> zen? whats that.. :P lol
[04:11] <Dr_willis> messing with xmame at the moment
[04:13] <hermes__> Hello; does anyone know how to get Active Sync (or some alternative) to work in Kubuntu (or with wine)?
[04:15] <unix_infidel> Do most professional software companies have their own IRC chan for troubleshooting, or rather how do they troubleshoot their code?
[04:16] <Dr_willis> if they are doing intercompany chatting. they could be using jabber, or some other inhouse chat/messging ing service
[04:16] <unix_infidel> right, is that common?
[04:17] <unix_infidel> or are coders expected to deal with things in person with fellow devs and such, and or try to muddle through some code that they cant quite troubleshoot.
[04:18] <Hawkwind> All depends on the company they work for
[04:19] <Hawkwind> Each company will be totally different in how they handle things
[04:19] <unix_infidel> Ok, that's fine, but what are some avenues of collaberative troubleshooting in industry?
[04:20] <Dr_willis> The industry is so huge.. theres vast varity.
[04:20] <unix_infidel> Of course there are projects that are sensitive.
[04:20] <Dr_willis> and some projects are so huge with 100's of people if not more...
[04:20] <Hawkwind> Of course, all this belongs in -OffTopic  :P
[04:20] <miyako> how do I go about stopping X?  ctrl+alt+backspace restarts the X server, and switching to another virtual terminal and switching to runlevel 3 with "init 3" also fails to stop X?
[04:20] <ep> grr, I'm having adept install suns java and the accept licenecs <no> <yes> screen is cut off (blank white) and seemingly impossible to view no matter what  I click or move .   This has happened to me before. Suggestions anyone?  Has anybody switched to synaptic, looks like I need to.
[04:21] <soulrider> i added a new panel, but i cant resize it =/
[04:21] <soulrider> i want it tiny, but its still normal size
[04:21] <Hawkwind> miyako: killall kdm is one way if you're using kdm.
[04:21] <Dr_willis> ep,  hold down alt key and click/drag the window to move it
[04:22] <miyako> Hawkwind, ok I'll try that.  Any idea why init isn't working properly? it worked as I expected it to (in otherwords, stopping X, etc.) in SuSE? is it just the way kubuntu is, or is my system configured incorrectly
[04:23] <Hawkwind> miyako: ctrl-alt-backspace should always restart it and take you back to your wm if you have autologin enabled, or back the kdm/gdm screen or whatever
[04:23] <miyako> Hawkwind, yeah, I was more wondering why "init 3" didn't stop X
[04:24] <Hawkwind> miyako: Did you try telinit 3 instead ?
[04:24] <Blacken> ...this gets stranger and stranger.
[04:24] <miyako> nope, I had no idea such a thing as telinit existed
[04:25] <ep> I can resize minimize and move the window just fine -- but inside this window is another the terminal type text window with a <yes> <no> prompt.  The top 1/4 of it is visible.  The prompt and cursor (highlight) is invisible.
[04:26] <miyako> ok, well killall kdm worked properly
[04:26] <ep> gues i can hit tab a few times and click the space bar and i've got a 50 50 chance that I said <yes>  Ya ho!
[04:26] <miyako> now to try to get AIGLX working with the beta nvidia drivers ^_^
[04:26] <ep> I'll tryj that
[04:27] <ep> not working I cant get out of this thing
[04:27] <phoenix_> anyone know what I can use to play a .wma file?
[04:28] <Blacken> Alright, I've got the ATI drivers installed and ran debconf over them to try to get my screen resolution of 1280x800 to work. However, when I do fglrxinfo, it gives me this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25268/
[04:28] <Blacken> Any help?
[04:28] <Dr_willis> phoenix_,  it will depend on the codec the wma is using as if it can be played with vlc/totem/xine/mplayer or not
[04:29] <miyako> ok, I'm going by the wiki on kubuntu to install AIGLX and it says to use apt-get install linux-dri-common, but apt-get can't find it
[04:29] <miyako> any idea what repository it is in?
[04:29] <ep> I wonder what I'll screw up after File | Quit.
[04:30] <ep> Hey could I post a screen shot?
[04:30] <Hawkwind> !info linux-dri-common
[04:30] <ubotu> Package linux-dri-common does not exist in any distro I know
[04:30] <Hawkwind> miyako: Must be some 3rd party repo
[04:31] <en1gma> damn it. desktop amd64 has no dmraid builtin and i apt-get says there isnt any
[04:32] <en1gma> do i need to do something to apt-get for it to be able to get "dmraid"
[04:32] <miyako> Hawkwind, ah, nevermind, it was a typo
[04:32] <miyako> however I did run into a problem with there not being packages for the kernel that I'm running, which is the latest kubuntu kernel
[04:32] <en1gma> anyone running amd64 6.10 edgy?
[04:32] <miyako> guess I'll have to downgrade my kernel :(
[04:33] <Hawkwind> en1gma: Try asking in #Ubuntu+1 since that's the Edgy channel
[04:33] <en1gma> ohhh ok thnx
[04:33] <Hawkwind> !wireless
[04:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:36] <soulrider> does anyone know why i cant resize my panel ?
[04:36] <soulrider> i got 2, i can resize one but not the other
[04:36] <ep> can I post a screen shot (png) to the paste bin?
[04:36] <en1gma> that channel is dead
[04:37] <soulrider> yea =/
[04:37] <chains_> I have a series of questions 1) how do i instal firefox from a tar ball?
[04:37] <Dr_willis> You mean Compile from source? Ick..
[04:37] <soulrider> just umpack it :)
[04:37] <en1gma> how can i look at what we call in slackware the "menuconfig.config" file of the kernel i am running
[04:38] <soulrider> but why are you using a tar ball ?
[04:38] <Dr_willis> that would require a lot of depenecneies and so on.. when its allready in the repos.
[04:38] <phoenix_> anyone know why I cant install win32codecs or vlc with apt-get?  it says cannot find, how do I install them?
[04:38] <soulrider> phoenix_: do you have universe enabled ?
[04:38] <chains_> well, i dont like the browser that kubuntu uses, and i dont know how else to instal
[04:38] <soulrider> open up your console chains_
[04:39] <phoenix_> soulrider, that's like asking Bill Gates if he uses Linux  XD
[04:39] <Dr_willis> I think ya should learn a little about the disrto and apt-get befoir trying to do such  fancy tricks that you do NOT need to do
[04:39] <Dr_willis> try that 'add programs" menu item yet?
[04:39] <chains_> im new to kubuntu, where is the console
[04:39] <phoenix_> soulrider, meaning I have no clue what you are talking about XD
[04:40] <Dr_willis> chains_,  the "konsole' is the text terminal for Kubuntut
[04:40] <soulrider> ok
[04:40] <soulrider> phoenix_: the repositories is where you can find software
[04:40] <soulrider> theres one called universe
[04:40] <soulrider> that has a crapload of them
[04:40] <Dr_willis> chains_,  or run that 'add/remove programs' entry, check the show unsupported/propiaraty box's and start checking/installing stuff.
[04:40] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:40] <soulrider> but it has to be enable
[04:40] <soulrider> d
[04:40] <chains_> Br_willis, i found it
[04:40] <chains_> Dr*
[04:40] <phoenix_> soulrider, I do this how?
[04:40] <soulrider> ok
[04:40] <Dr_willis> apt-get makes the way you are used to installing things in windows -- seem .. primitive
[04:40] <soulrider> open adept
[04:41] <soulrider> know how to do that ?
[04:41] <Dr_willis> find its icon...
[04:41] <chains_> cool
[04:41] <Dr_willis> or just run that add/remove programs thang.
[04:41] <Dr_willis> its a user-friendly front end.
[04:41] <soulrider> yea
[04:41] <phoenix_> yep
[04:41] <Dr_willis> explore the os a bit.
[04:41] <en1gma> do i need to do something to apt-get so i can "apt-get install dmraid"? im running amd64 edgy
[04:41] <soulrider> have you used katapult yet? its REALLY useful
[04:41] <chains_> ok, i have konsole open
[04:41] <soulrider> simpoly press alt space
[04:41] <Dr_willis> !info dmraid
[04:41] <ubotu> dmraid: Device-Mapper Software RAID support tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9+1.0.0.rc9-2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 117 kB, installed size 460 kB
[04:41] <soulrider> and type in what you wanna open
[04:42] <Dr_willis> Rember - in linux - thers always 12 ways to do somthing. :)
[04:42] <soulrider> yup
[04:42] <chains_> so, i  rember using apt-get a little bit in ubuntu, but i forgot
[04:42] <soulrider> im loving linux
[04:42] <soulrider> and im trying to convert my parents :P
[04:42] <soulrider> ok
[04:42] <soulrider> chains
[04:42] <phoenix_> soulrider, how do I enable universe?
[04:42] <soulrider> press alt space
[04:43] <soulrider> and then type adept
[04:43] <phoenix_> ok
[04:43] <soulrider> that goes for you too pho
[04:43] <phoenix_> now what?
[04:43] <soulrider> phoenix_:
[04:43] <soulrider> type your apssword and wait till it opens
[04:43] <phoenix_> ok
[04:43] <mabreaux> I am logged on as the administrator "" and I am receiving a message " Your administrator has disallowed changing your image" how do I correct this
[04:43] <chains_> got adept open
[04:43] <soulrider> go to view and then manage repositories
[04:44] <chains_> i only have View> review changes
[04:44] <soulrider> try to find manage repositories
[04:45] <chains_> got it
[04:45] <Hawkwind> chains_: Adept -> Manage Repositories
[04:45] <soulrider> ok
[04:45] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: It's not going to work...
[04:45] <soulrider> now, enable universe
[04:45] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Still getting the same error ?
[04:45] <Kr4t05> H
[04:45] <chains_> dont see it
[04:46] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Yeah... Let me download the newest tarball, maybe that will work.
[04:46] <soulrider> uhm
[04:46] <soulrider> dont you see some lines with # ?
[04:46] <soulrider> just one #
[04:46] <Dr_willis> I hope that he has installed the latest Dapper Kubuntu.
[04:46] <soulrider> not ##
[04:47] <chains_> no, all i see are a bunch with ##
[04:47] <soulrider> uhm
[04:47] <soulrider> hang on
[04:47] <soulrider> !easysource
[04:47] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:47] <ep> I finally to exit adept with File | Quit (No choice) Now due to the adept bug, I cant' even use apt-get "Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"  And I can't restart adept (probably already running)  I just goes blank.
[04:47] <soulrider> ok
[04:47] <soulrider> type
[04:47] <soulrider> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:47] <Hawkwind> Not sudo
[04:47] <Hawkwind> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:48] <soulrider> i think both work
[04:48] <Hawkwind> soulrider: Nope
[04:48] <soulrider> i allways use sudo =/
[04:48] <Hawkwind> kdesu is for opening GUI apps with root perms
[04:48] <chains_> no seeing
[04:48] <Hawkwind> chains_: What are you trying to do ?
[04:48] <chains_> to install firefoz with a tarball
[04:49] <Hawkwind> chains_: Why ?
[04:49] <chains_> thats one of the several things im trying to do
[04:49] <ep> I'm going to kill the process I guess.
[04:49] <en1gma> is there a kubuntu and ubuntu universal repo or are they each their own
[04:49] <Hawkwind> chains_: Why not sudo apt-get install firefox and get it from the repos
[04:49] <chains_> cuz i dont know how....
[04:49] <soulrider> he doesnt ahve universe enabled
[04:49] <Hawkwind> en1gma: They all share universe and multiverse
[04:49] <chains_> till now
[04:49] <en1gma> okie
[04:49] <Hawkwind> chains_: I just told you how.... sudo apt-get install firefox
[04:49] <chains_> cuz you just reminded me
[04:49] <Hawkwind> !repos > chains_
[04:49] <Hawkwind> chains_: Read what the bot just told you in pm to setup your repos
[04:50] <soulrider> is he registered in IRC ?
[04:50] <en1gma> where do i go to find universal repsoitory links
[04:50] <en1gma> im at ubuntu.com right now
[04:50] <Hawkwind> soulrider: Doesn't matter.  He can recieve pm's, not send them if he's not registered
[04:50] <Hawkwind> !repos > en1gma
[04:51] <Blacken> Hrm. Well, that works, at least...
[04:51] <Blacken> Can you enable transparency for only ONE panel in KDE?
[04:51] <mini_gamer1896> ""
[04:51] <mini_gamer1896> ?
[04:54] <en1gma> Hawkwind that !repos > en1gma thing didnt give me the address to univeral
[04:54] <en1gma> it just tells me how to adept manager ...manage repositories
[04:54] <Hawkwind> en1gma: It does tell you how to enable all repos, including universe though
[04:55] <en1gma> what i specifically asked is where is the urls of the universal repos
[04:55] <en1gma> now how to enable em
[04:56] <en1gma> like how do you get the list of universal repo server
[04:56] <en1gma> servers*
[04:56] <Blacken> Synaptic is just about the only improvement on Kubuntu I know of.
[04:56] <Hawkwind> en1gma: It tells you.  You either do it via adept, or edit your /etc/apt/sources.list manually
[04:56] <Blacken> I can't stand adept. :/
[04:57] <en1gma> if it tells me im sorry i might have missed that...i just scanned through and it looks like the servers that it "already" has it shows you enabling
[04:57] <Blacken> Can you enable transparency only for one panel? I have an offscreen panel to the left that I'd like to use as a hidden application launcher, but...
[04:57] <morghanphoenix> how does one install tar.gz packages?
[04:58] <en1gma> Hawkwind "or edit your /etc/apt/sources.list manually" <<<<<<im looking for the site that lists what i put in here
[04:58] <Blacken> morghanphoenix: It's like a zipfile on Windows. Run gunzip and tar in the terminal.
[04:58] <en1gma> the repos server list
[04:58] <en1gma> anyone know what im saying
[04:58] <Hawkwind> en1gma: Simply add universe to the end of the lines that have multiverse
[04:59] <morghanphoenix> so if you unzip it into a /usr/local path it will work, or do you need to do something else?
[04:59] <ep> Ok guys, this all started because there was no way to accept or decline the license agreement on Adept's "Sun java install". It was impossible (i've got a screen shot to prove it).
[04:59] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: I'm going to try using the kernel source package from the repos and see if that helps.
[04:59] <ep> Since then I ended session came back and did ps aux -- now check this out: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25270/  OMG what do I do !
[05:00] <Blacken> morghanphoenix: Normally you need to compile an app that comes in a tarball.
[05:01] <ep> This is a nightmare
[05:01] <Blacken> ep: killall adept?
[05:03] <ep> oh didn't know there was a killall thanks. Btw now on apt-get "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem"
[05:04] <Hawkwind> ep: So run that command, prefixed with sudo
[05:04] <qu1ckfr0st> !mp3
[05:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:05] <mabreaux> I was using adept and suddenly the window vanished.  It is not in the task bar or any where.  how do I get it back.
[05:05] <morghanphoenix> dpkg -a I think
[05:05] <morghanphoenix> That worked for me
[05:06] <chains_> ok, im having problems with my sound. No matter what sound type, it comes out insanly scratchy (staticy) and i cant figure out what to do
[05:06] <ep> That bug has happened to me before.  I need to report it to the  adept folks.  (i've got a screen shot).
[05:06] <ubuntu> test
[05:06] <mabreaux> why does it do that.   also is there any way to see what programs are running?
[05:07] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: ps aux or run top
[05:07] <ep> Is synaptec generally more higly regarded?  I may just uninstall adept if that's ok
[05:07] <Blacken> ep: Synaptic is a lot easier to deal with, IMO. It's cleaner. Less frilly. Doesn't have all the tagging crap.
[05:07] <Hawkwind> ep: Why not use what works, apt-get from the CLI/terminal
[05:08] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Most people don't know every package by heart, and the CLI is harder to read/use than just searching a GUI.
[05:08] <morghanphoenix> I put synaptic on my kubuntu system first thing off
[05:08] <Hawkwind> Blacken: I totally disagree
[05:08] <Hawkwind> Blacken: apt-cache search works wonders and is no different than reading a silly GUI that everyone complains about being broken and not working
[05:09] <Blacken> Hawkwind: You've also been using it longer than most people. Quit the elitism.
[05:09] <mabreaux> if it does it to me one more time I am going to be upset . this is 4 times in a row.
[05:09] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Heh, 2 months is how long I've been using it
[05:09] <ep> Hawkind  I like that the best... but the gui's are nice for searching and browsing around .   And while your there.... :)
[05:09] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Synaptic is not broken, and is in fact quite clean. It's KDE's fault that they include a terrible GUI.
[05:09] <Hawkwind> Blacken: I never mentioned synaptic in my sentences, nowhere
[05:09] <mabreaux> so how do you recover from this adept bug.
[05:10] <Blacken> Hawkwind: No, but you responded right after I and others mentioned Synaptic.
[05:10] <Hawkwind> We're talking about adept not working and providing a solution, CLI happens to work the best for most everything when it comes to a package manager.  That's why it is important a user learns it, atleast IMO
[05:10] <morghanphoenix> dpkg -a on command line
[05:10] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Only because you typed a bit quicker than I did that one time
[05:10] <morghanphoenix> worked for me when I had the same problem
[05:10] <mabreaux> I wil try it.
[05:11] <Blacken> Hawkwind: You can think that if you like. *shrug* I find the CLI interface for apt very cumbersome and annoying.
[05:11] <Hawkwind> Blacken: If you take note, I preach learning the CLI all the time in here.  It's what works best in most all cases
[05:11] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Yeah, I've noticed. I used to be like you. :P
[05:11] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Maybe you should learn it a bit better then.  Not putting you down, just saying, once you learn it, you'll find it's much better
[05:11] <Blacken> Hawkwind: I've been using various flavors of Linux for long enough to realize that most people don't want to, nor need to, use the CLI.
[05:11] <claydoh> I must disagree here.
[05:12] <Hawkwind> Blacken: My experience comes from 4+ years of seeing all distros having a broken GUI package manager and writing docs for one of the newest on the block
[05:12] <claydoh> I have been using Linux for years now, and am only just now getting into the cli
[05:12] <Hawkwind> Blacken: I totally disagree there
[05:12] <Blacken> Hawkwind: I've done LFS. I run a Gentoo server. I use Kubuntu--which is primarily a DESKTOP system--because I want something that just works. If I want to horse around with that crap, I'll load my server.
[05:12] <chains_> ok, i tried the sudo apt-get for fire fox, and got nothing out of it
[05:12] <Hawkwind> Gentoo.......a hobby on a PC.  Now that's quite funny
[05:12] <Hawkwind> chains_: Did you enable all of your repos ?
[05:13] <Hawkwind> chains_: Can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list into http://pastebin.ulteo.us
[05:13] <Blacken> chains_: Have to enable all the repositories, and it's not "fire fox", if that was what you were typing--it's "firefox".
[05:13] <claydoh> now when new users are having a prob with a gui app, the cli can help by getting a better error message, makes it easier to help newbies
[05:13] <chains_> send me that link again, if its not to much trouble, and no i was trying firefox
[05:13] <Blacken> Hawkwind: People who come in here aren't looking for the l33t way to do things. They want the easiest way to do it, quickly. The CLI has a tremendous learning curve that most *desktop* users don't care about.
[05:14] <chains_> nm, i found the link
[05:14] <Hawkwind> Blacken: CLI isn't the l33t way of doing things either.  I don't know where you get that info from
[05:14] <Hawkwind> Blacken: To some people the CLI has a tremendous learning curve, not to everyone
[05:14] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Sarcasm, dude. Sarcasm.
[05:14] <morghanphoenix> Try crashing your x-server, you need the command line then, not for long but it's still needed
[05:14] <unix_infidel> Blacken: i'm a desktop user too.  Actually more than anything.
[05:14] <Blacken> Hawkwind: How many Windows users can go around in DOS? Granted, ones who started in DOS or Win 3.1 or so can (I'm one of them), but very few.
[05:14] <unix_infidel> But i still have about 10 cmd shells on windows currently.
[05:15] <Hawkwind> Blacken: No idea.  I haven't touched or dealt with Windows in over 4 years.  I refrain from messing with GUI things that are broken :P
[05:15] <claydoh> as I said, I usually suggest a comand line just so I can get the good error message so I can help out better
[05:15] <Blacken> unix_infidel: I run a tabbed MinGW box, too. It's not like I hate the CLI. But sending newbies to use it is a joke.
[05:15] <Hawkwind> claydoh: Yep.  Because GUI stuff rarely gives any helpful error messages
[05:16] <morghanphoenix> I started with win 2.0, dos worked better.
[05:16] <claydoh> exactly
[05:16] <unix_infidel> Blacken: no, the joke is poorly coded gui's
[05:16] <Hawkwind> Blacken: That's your opinion actually.  Some learn better if you send them to that 'joke'
[05:16] <mabreaux> can you use synaptic in place of adept?
[05:16] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Of course it's my opinion. Whose else would it be?
[05:16] <Blacken> mabreaux: Yes.
[05:16] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: Yes
[05:16] <claydoh> now wen i am in a forum and have more time to type, I star out with the gui way
[05:16] <morghanphoenix> yes, but if adept is locked synaptic probably won't work either
[05:17] <Blacken> mabreaux: You may be better off just rebooting, if killall didn't do it for you.
[05:17] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Then stop telling people not to suggest or use the CLI.  Everyone does things *their* way and if they can help the user accomplish what he/she needs, then let them do it however they can
[05:17] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: Rebooting is for Windows, new hardware and new kernel.  Do *not* reboot your machine
[05:17] <morghanphoenix> I switched distros to try out a new one and I'm really missing apt and dpkg.
[05:17] <claydoh> if adept is locked, use the gui search tool to find instances of 'lock' in /usr
[05:17] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Where did I tell people not to use the CLI? Point me to it.
[05:17] <claydoh> then delete them
[05:17] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: You need to delete the lock files
[05:18] <claydoh> then install synaptic :)
[05:18] <Blacken> ROFL...Hawkwind, tone down the elitism a little. I suggested the immediate, easiest fix for a newbie.
[05:18] <claydoh> lol
[05:18] <Hawkwind> Blacken: That's bad advice though
[05:18] <Hawkwind> Blacken: I'm not being elite or anything.  Trying to teach people properly and to get out of the Windows mind frame
[05:18] <Blacken> Hawkwind: It works. Again--not the elitist, Linux-is-God-never-reboot attitude, but the pragmatic one. :)
[05:18] <claydoh> Hawkwind is far from eliteist, I prob am more elitest than him ;)
[05:18] <Satafterh> can i upgrade to 6.10 with apt
[05:19] <chains_> hawkwind i dont see the 'universe' line it says to find
[05:19] <Hawkwind> Blacken: If you want to teach someone how to do something, teach them right.  Don't keep them in the same hole they've been in with Windows for years
[05:19] <morghanphoenix> I rebooted kubuntu once, debian once and slackware six times.
[05:19] <Hawkwind> chains_: Can you please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://pastebin.ulteo.us for me to see
[05:19] <morghanphoenix> Everyone should have at least some basic command line skills in case x crashes.
[05:19] <Hawkwind> Satafterh: You can, but it's not stable yet and is still not ready for everyday desktop use
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[05:20] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: Yep.  It's those that don't have any that freak and reinstall when X won't start
[05:20] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Again with the elitism. If you take a bit of a step back, you'll see how ridiculous that attitude is. Hell, I run Kubuntu on a laptop. I reboot and shut it down all the time. Doesn't do a bit of harm to the machine, nor to the user, to suggest it.
[05:20] <Blacken> Hawkwind: How is rebooting in *any* way a bad thing?
[05:20] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Please stop with the elitism remarks
[05:20] <Hawkwind> Blacken: What does rebooting teach them ?
[05:20] <chains_> how do i paste them? because i dont copy it
[05:21] <Satafterh> I know i can read the changes online but with out going through that is there alot of changes in 6.10
[05:21] <Hawkwind> chains_: Open it up in an editor, hold the left mouse button, highlight what you want, then middle click to paste, or left/right click at the same time to paste
[05:21] <Hawkwind> Satafterh: Yes, especially with the init system
[05:22] <Hawkwind> Satafterh: The init system has been replaced with upstart
[05:22] <morghanphoenix> I configured x wrong and was stuck on command line while I learned how to fix it because I refused to reinstall unless I really couldn't fix it.
[05:22] <Blacken> Hawkwind: ROFL. This is going nowhere. All I am saying is that teaching people is fine--but if they want a machine that *works*, your methodology is a bad one. And I'll stop with the elitism comments when you stop trying to say that I'm "teaching them wrong." :) I tell them what works and what works immediately, not twenty minutes, an hour, more down the line.
[05:22] <Satafterh> init system? yes i am a noob lol
[05:22] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Both ways are equally valid. I don't correct you, don't correct me.
[05:22] <Hawkwind> Blacken: No it's not.  Ask anyone in here.  If it was, I wouldn't be a regular here, I wouldn't be an op here, and I surely wouldn't know the things I know
[05:23] <chains_> how do i open it in a text editor?
[05:23] <Blacken> Hawkwind: You're right. But you aren't a regular user. Neither am I.
[05:23] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Then stop giving bad advice and teach people correctly, actually teach them something instead of telling them to just hit the power button and proceed on
[05:23] <Hawkwind> Blacken: I'm not ?
[05:23] <Satafterh> what is init system?
[05:23] <morghanphoenix> Both are right, get the damn thing working, then teach him how to do it himself. just my humble newbie opinion.
[05:23] <Blacken> Hawkwind: I imagine not, from the way you speak.
[05:23] <Hawkwind> chains_: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:23] <fulat2k> hi folks, i accidentally removed the displays from the System Guard applet.  Anyway I can redisplay the CPU/Memory displays?  It's now displayed as blank boxes
[05:23] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Might try again
[05:23] <Hawkwind> Blacken: If I wasn't a regular user, I wouldn't be involved with the distro and the community the way I am, and I wouldn't be an op of this channel
[05:24] <claydoh> Satafterh: init is basically how the system boots up and loads modules/ etc
[05:24] <Blacken> Hawkwind: A regular user is someone who comes in, asks a question, leaves.
 ok
[05:24] <morghanphoenix> there should be a command line newbie channel.
[05:24] <Hawkwind> Blacken: No it's not
[05:24] <unix_infidel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init
[05:24] <Hawkwind> Blacken: A 'regular' user is someone who is here very often on a 'regular' basis
[05:24] <unix_infidel> morghanphoenix: ask those questions here, were happy to answer them.
[05:24] <Blacken> Hawkwind: You are knowledgable about it. You aren't merely using it--you know the ins and outs of it.
 so it boots faster or ?
[05:24] <claydoh> Satafterh: in edgy they have something new, ie needing testing, that seems to really speed up the boot time
[05:25] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Sorry. Meaning clash. You are thinking 'regular' as in 'frequent'. I'm thinking 'regular' as J. Random Luser.
[05:25] <Hawkwind> Satafterh: Edgy does boot quite a bit quicker than Dapper does actually
[05:25] <morghanphoenix> How do you add a user to the sudoers folder command line?
[05:25] <claydoh> it does for me,
[05:25] <chains_> say what? ok, im new to kubuntu . do i do into openoffice, and the open and type what you just told me to open?
[05:25] <Blacken> Satafterh: Edgy boots up remarkably quickly. It's still a bit wonky in some ways, but it's quite usable.
[05:25] <claydoh> morghanphoenix: add the user to the admin group:
[05:25] <Satafterh> Edgy isnt vey stable yet?
[05:25] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: sudo visudo ?
[05:25] <claydoh> sudo addgrp <username> <groupname>
[05:26] <Hawkwind> Satafterh: No, it's still beta and won't be released as stable til next month sometime
[05:26] <Satafterh> ok thx
[05:26] <Blacken> Satafterh: It's pretty stable in my experience. Occasional oddities, but nothing major.
[05:26] <en1gma> i type "linux-amd64" in "adept manager" and i get a few returns...is that what i pick to put with "debootstrap ....." where the dots are
[05:26] <Blacken> The only reason I'm running 6.06 is because I didn't have a 6.10 disc around when I was reinstalling today.
[05:27] <claydoh> morghanphoenix: got it backwards
[05:27] <en1gma> !debootstrap en1gma
[05:27] <ubotu> debootstrap: Bootstrap a basic Debian system. In component main, is extra. Version 0.3.3.0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 47 kB, installed size 240 kB
[05:27] <fyrmedic> Are there any better GUI based email apps rather than kmail that work well with pop mail in KDE
[05:27] <abattoir> !adept crash fix
[05:27] <claydoh> sudo addgrp group newmember
[05:27] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[05:27] <Hawkwind> fyrmedic: thunderbird ?
[05:27] <Blacken> fyrmedic: Evolution isn't bad. It's GTK based, but it's pretty useful.
[05:27] <abattoir> mabreaux: tried that^^^ ?
[05:27] <Hawkwind> fyrmedic: There is also evolution if you have Gnome installed
[05:27] <en1gma> what are the choices that "debootstrap" can use
[05:27] <en1gma> is it kernel choices
[05:27] <ep> where's the help file for tweaking firefox, middle click to paste url single click to select url etc.
[05:27] <en1gma> or distro choices
[05:27] <en1gma> or what
[05:28] <abattoir> Hawkwind: did mabreaux try fuser ?
[05:28] <fyrmedic> Hawkwind: I'm investigating t-bird, but I am not so impressed yet
[05:28] <unix_infidel> fyrmedic: evolution is pretty full featured and the only suite i know of besides wine+Outlook that does exchange.
[05:28] <Hawkwind> abattoir: I'm not sure, I don't think so though
[05:28] <fyrmedic> will evolution work if I don't have gnome installed?
[05:28] <abattoir> Hawkwind: he's getting the database locked message right?
[05:28] <Blacken> fyrmedic: It should install the libraries it needs.
[05:28] <Hawkwind> ep: Not sure what you are asking, but in the URL bar you can type  about:config  to get some really good info
[05:28] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Yes
[05:29] <unix_infidel> fyrmedic: it wont install gnome-desktop only the needed libs and gtk stuff.
[05:29] <abattoir> mabreaux: try that command that ubotu posted
[05:29] <Hawkwind> fyrmedic: sudo apt-get install evolution and as Blacken said, it'll install what it needs to run and work
[05:29] <abattoir> !adept crash fix > mabreaux
[05:29] <fyrmedic> awesome thanks guys....
[05:29] <Kr4t05> Well, I'm convinced that I can't compile a kernel to save my life.
[05:29] <fyrmedic> I will give evo a try
[05:29] <unix_infidel> fyrmedic: its not pretty, but it works.
[05:29] <ubuntu_> HI
[05:29] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Have you tried using the script that is posted at the bottom of my how-to ?
[05:30] <Hawkwind> Evolution is pretty to some.  Depends on your definition of 'pretty'
[05:30] <ep> Hawkwind: where's your howto?
[05:30] <Blacken> unix_infidel: You think not? I run it under KDE using the Geramik GTK package, and it looks pretty nice...
[05:30] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Meh...
[05:30] <Hawkwind> ep: How-to for what exactly ?
[05:30] <Hawkwind> ep: I have a whole forum of them at http://LinuxForDummies.org/   :)
[05:31] <ep> yeah that one
[05:31] <unix_infidel> Blacken: i use gmail web interface and outlook+dropmyrights...never used a linux client that i liked.
[05:32] <Blacken> unix_infidel: Yeah, I use GMail most of the time. But school's webmail/conferencing really, really sucks without it.
[05:32] <unix_infidel> i take that back, pine looks "pretty"
[05:32] <Blacken> What's next, pinups of nano? :P
[05:34] <mattg> im trying to do an apt-get intall but nz.archive.ubuntu.com is down. So how do i switch to another server?
[05:34] <abattoir> mattg: just change/remove the nz bit
[05:35] <mattg> where's the conf file though?
[05:35] <abattoir> mattg: can be something like us.archive.ubuntu.com or just plain archive.ubuntu.com
[05:35] <Hawkwind> mattg: /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:35] <mattg> ok, thanks
[05:35] <abattoir> bleh, beat me to it :P
[05:35] <Hawkwind> Heh
[05:38] <markc> anyone tried kopete with gtalk ?
[05:38] <Blacken> Hm, has kdevelop gotten any better as of late? Last time I used it (~3 years ago) it was painfully clunky and hard to use.
[05:38] <en1gma> it looks like the command "debootstra xxxxxx" wants an --arch does it dlaod from kernel.org or is there an address just for kubuntu that lists its arches
[05:39] <abattoir> markc: Gtalk is just jabber, so kopete handles it well :)
[05:39] <markc> abattoir: I guess I need to rtfm how to connect then... thanks... I'll persist
[05:39] <abattoir> markc: if you want 'voice' support too, its provided by kopete, but its not available in the kubuntu packages
[05:40] <markc> abattoir: excellent... coming soon no doubt
[05:40] <abattoir> markc: its simple, Create a new Jabber a/c in kopete, enter your ID and password, change server from gmail.com to talk.google.com, enable SSL, and you are good to go :)
[05:41] <abattoir> markc: i'm not sure of that though
[05:41] <markc> abattoir: ah, is that it... talk.google.com... thanks again :)
[05:41] <abattoir> yes, gmail.com as server will not work
[05:43] <mattg> markc: abbattoir: I changed my sources.list file and saved it but how do i "restart" it because it's still trying to access nz.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:43] <Hawkwind> mattg: sudo apt-get update
[05:44] <markc> abattoir: sorry, never used kopete before... do I create a new account as mygamiluserid@talk.google.com ? (how do I select which server to use)
[05:44] <abattoir> markc: Settings->Configure Kopete
[05:44] <mattg> sweet as Hawkwind.
[05:45] <abattoir> markc: in the Accounts tab click on New
[05:45] <CainMadness> Trying to install a skin for XMMS player, but whenever I try to unzip the files into the urs/share/xmms/skins folder, it says I don't have permission to the folder. I don't ever recall setting permissions to it.. So how do I unlock it?
[05:45] <abattoir> markc: choose Jabber as the protocol and click next
[05:45] <ep> Whats the proper way to kill a process, i read something once, but forgot.  Star with kill  buto only use kill -9 as a last resort. I forgot the other options.
[05:46] <markc> abattoir: all done so far
[05:46] <Hawkwind> ep: kill <app>  or killall <app>  or kill PID#
[05:46] <abattoir> markc: jabber id would be mygmailuserid@gmail.com
[05:46] <abattoir> markc: then enter your password
[05:46] <abattoir> markc: go to the Connection tab
[05:47] <abattoir> markc: Enable Use Protocol encryption(SSL)
[05:47] <abattoir> markc: and then click on 'Override default...'
[05:47] <Kr4t05> OK...
[05:47] <ep> but i kill <app or pid> doesn't work.  Isnt' there some other option to try before kill -9 app
[05:47] <abattoir> markc: there remove gmail.com and add talk.google.com
[05:48] <Hawkwind> ep: What are you trying to kill exactly ?
[05:48] <abattoir> markc: click on next... you might get a certificate error, ignore that, and you are done :)
[05:48] <markc> abatooir: that server override is what I was missing
[05:49] <ep> nothing now  Just a question I had earlier but ppl wern't in a talkative mood then :)
[05:49] <Blacken> Hm, does KDE offer a facility similar to GNOME's where you can remap the hardkeys on a laptop, multimedia keyboard, etc. to various functions?
[05:49] <Blacken> I know I can do it by hand, but would really rather not.
[05:50] <abattoir> Blacken: try Kcontrol/System Settings->Regional Accessibility->Keyboard
[05:50] <ep> Either my  keyboard is broke or I'm drunk.  Keep missin letters
[05:50] <Blacken> abattoir: Alright, thanks.
[05:50] <abattoir> aah, hardeys?
[05:50] <Blacken> abattoir: I have an Inspiron E1505.
[05:50] <Blacken> abattoir: It has the media keys on the front.
[05:50] <abattoir> Blacken: you mean the ones bound to hardware? like the monitor/touchpad of buttons?
[05:51] <abattoir> *off
[05:51] <Blacken> abattoir: Neg--these are apparently just weird keyboard scancodes. The buttons are for mute, volume up/down, play, etc.
[05:51] <abattoir> Blacken: oh ok, in Keyboard Layout, see if any Latitude model is listed under Keyboard models
[05:52] <Blacken> abattoir: Alright, lemme look.
[05:52] <abattoir> Blacken: btw are you edgy or dapper?
[05:52] <Blacken> abattoir: Dapper.
[05:52] <abattoir> oh, ok, because edgy has out-of-the-box support for these kinda buttons now
[05:53] <Blacken> abattoir: Yeah, I know...I was using edgy until it went casters up on me and I didn't have a 6.10 CD around to reinstall. I figure I can wait around for 6.10 stable to be done before upgrading again.
[05:53] <abattoir> wise choice :)
[05:54] <Blacken> Yeah, one explosion was enough.
[05:54] <abattoir> but the beta is out and edgy has been incredibly stable for some time
[05:55] <Blacken> abattoir: Yeah, and in all honesty it's not really Edgy's fault--my ext3 file system decided to implode. The AC adapter on the laptop got knocked loose while the battery wasn't in the machine...apparently Mr. Journaling Filesystem still didn't like that.
[05:56] <Blacken> I just dislike dist-upgrading...I ended up with weird cruft between Hoary and Breezy.
[05:56] <abattoir> Blacken: i've had issues like that w/ ReiserFS, so i use XFS(bust most people would say the opposite)
[05:57] <Blacken> I'd rather just save my /home directory and reinstall Edgy when it's stable, then grab what packages I've installed since.
[05:57] <Blacken> And thanks, abattoir--selecting a laptop keyboard layout worked.
[05:57] <abattoir> :)
[05:58] <Blacken> Anybody know of a way (if it's possible) to make one KDE panel transparent and not the rest?
[05:58] <abattoir> Blacken: i guess it should be possible
[05:58] <ep> Do I need a firewall?  I found this ubuntu help page where some guy says ubuntu might leave ure system wide open to script laddies.  He says to chck by doing "sudo iptables -L"
[05:58] <Blacken> abattoir: I'd think so too, but I can't find a setting.
[05:58] <abattoir> Blacken: there is a combobox at the top which decids which panel you change the settings on
[05:58] <Blacken> abattoir: Right, but it disappears when I go to "appearance".
[06:00] <Blacken> I ended up setting up my environment fairly GNOME-y, with the taskbar at the bottom and menus at the top...but I'd like to keep visible panels fairly clutter-free, so I'm trying to make an OS X-style dock.
[06:01] <Blacken> I could live without transparency, but I want it. :(
[06:01] <abattoir> Blacken: then try something like kxdocker
[06:01] <abattoir> !info kxdocker
[06:01] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.39-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 253 kB, installed size 832 kB
[06:01] <abattoir> you get a 'real' dock
[06:01] <Blacken> abattoir: Ooh, didn't know about that. Thanks!
[06:03] <morghanphoenix> is there a channel for lilo?
[06:03] <en1gma> who here uses debootstrap
[06:03] <abattoir> morghanphoenix: the boot loader?
[06:03] <morghanphoenix> yeah
[06:03] <en1gma> gosh dang i just got a couple questions
[06:03] <en1gma> thnx man you got a min?
[06:03] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: #Lilo
[06:04] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: You can always do /msg chanserv list *search-term*   with the * to find what channels you are looking for
[06:04] <abattoir> en1gma: i think he was responding to me, rather than you ;)
[06:04] <en1gma> yea
[06:04] <abattoir> en1gma: what do you need? w.r.t debootsrap?
[06:04] <en1gma> just something simple
[06:04] <abattoir> aks
[06:04] <abattoir> *ask
[06:04] <morghanphoenix> nothing from the search and it says channel lilo is invite only
[06:05] <mabreaux> adept crash: ubotu fix did not work.
[06:05] <D4rkly> how can i disable hci-usb ?
[06:05] <en1gma> im folling a guide (its about 1 year old) and it says "debootstrap breezy /target" now i dont want breezy there (i want something that matches my system) i have an amd64 x2
[06:05] <abattoir> mabreaux: what do you mean? any error messages?
[06:05] <mabreaux> database is still lock and program will not come up
[06:05] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: I get 11 channels by doing /msg chanserv list *lilo*
[06:05] <en1gma> where do i go to see what options i can put with "debootstrap"
[06:05] <mabreaux> adept opened in read only mode.
[06:05] <abattoir> en1gma: get dapper/edgy(the former is more recommended)
[06:05] <morghanphoenix> I'm trying to put kubuntu back on top of my slackware install
[06:06] <en1gma> i know but which edgy
[06:06] <morghanphoenix> sorry, missed the *s
[06:06] <en1gma> isnt there an edgy amd64-k8-smp
[06:06] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: Though #Lilo forwards to #freenode-announce which is invite only
[06:06] <mabreaux> Error message: Read Olnly mode: database locked - Adept manager.
[06:06] <en1gma> or is it just "edgy" for all systems
[06:06] <abattoir> en1gma: to be honest with you if you are new to linux, i would recommend using a 32-bit distro for now
[06:06] <en1gma> i been using slamd64 for 2 years
[06:07] <abattoir> en1gma: ok, then go for k8 in dapper
[06:07] <abattoir> i think its amd64-generic in edgy
[06:07] <en1gma> i already have edgy boot cd that im in
[06:07] <en1gma> line cd i mean
[06:07] <abattoir> alternate cd?
[06:07] <en1gma> im running edgy 6.10 amd64
[06:07] <en1gma> desktop
[06:07] <en1gma> now i want to use debootstrap edgy-amd64-k8-smp or something like that i imagine
[06:08] <morghanphoenix> if I install kubuntu and replace lilo with grub will I still have access to slackware?
[06:08] <abattoir> ok, i think the diferent kernel types were revised for edgy
[06:08] <abattoir> not sure if k8 still exists, let me check
[06:08] <morghanphoenix> boot loaders confuse me.
[06:08] <en1gma> abattoir i want that link
[06:08] <en1gma> so i can see what i can put in there
[06:08] <abattoir> en1gma: what link?
[06:08] <en1gma> [04:08]  <abattoir> not sure if k8 still exists, let me check <<<<where you check
[06:08] <Kr4t05> I don't even know why I'm compiling this kernel, it's identical to the Ubuntu one, save some small tweaks...
[06:09] <abattoir> i though of doing an 'apt-cache search' ;)
[06:09] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: Why do you want to change from grub to lilo anyways ?
[06:09] <abattoir> en1gma: wait i'll go to p.u.c then
[06:09] <en1gma> :)
[06:09] <en1gma> k
[06:09] <morghanphoenix> I have lilo allready, I'm about to install kubuntu on my slackware system
[06:09] <Blacken> Kubuntu should recognize Slackware and leave it alone, I'd think?
[06:10] <Blacken> It may install GRUB over LILO, which wouldn't exactly be a travesty...
[06:10] <en1gma> lol
[06:10] <en1gma> i like lilo
[06:10] <en1gma> :)
[06:10] <morghanphoenix> can you slow down grub so you have a chance to choose your boot?
[06:10] <Blacken> Why's that?
[06:10] <en1gma> its so ez to use
[06:11] <mabreaux> what can I do about this lock database.
[06:11] <morghanphoenix> Lilo at least gives me more than 2 sec to hit a key
[06:11] <en1gma> :)
[06:11] <Blacken> morghanphoenix: That's all configurable.
[06:11] <Blacken> mabreaux: You've been given the answer repeatedly...
[06:11] <D4rkly> im trying to use my bluetooth usb dongle in vmware but vmware says the device is in use by the host hci_usb. how can i disable the device in kubuntu ?
[06:11] <SillyZ> evening yall
[06:11] <en1gma> lilo can install to floppy too
[06:11] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: Of course you can
[06:11] <en1gma> which means you dont even have to out a bootloader on your h
[06:11] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: Just edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst file accordingly
[06:11] <en1gma> hd*
[06:12] <mabreaux> and I tried it and it did not work.
[06:12] <morghanphoenix> Okay, I like slackware, but I don't know it well enough yet to get all the functionality I had with kubuntu, and that damn manual is confusing as all hell.
[06:13] <en1gma> ill tell you what im glad im going from slackware to kubuntu and not the other way around
[06:13] <mabreaux> I ran the command and the base is still locked.  I ran the fuser command and the dpkg command and both did not work
[06:14] <en1gma> abattoir you find it?
[06:14] <abattoir> en1gma: be patient :P
[06:14] <claydoh> did you search and delete any files called 'lock' anywhere in /usr?
[06:14] <Blacken> mabreaux: Like I said--a reboot /should/ fix it. But beware, it's "Windows" behavior.
[06:14] <abattoir> en1gma: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=main
[06:14] <claydoh> rebooting won't always remove the lock files
[06:14] <abattoir> en1gma: scroll down, you'd see -k8 has been obsoleted
[06:15] <Blacken> claydoh: Never failed for me. Worth a try.
[06:15] <claydoh> having fought with them before
[06:15] <abattoir> en1gma: so there really is only one kernel type available for amd64
[06:15] <en1gma> i dont see it yet
[06:16] <en1gma> just "edgy" ?
[06:17] <mabreaux> can I manually remover the lock files?
[06:18] <en1gma> abattoir im not understanding...if i wanted that " linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic" how would i put that with "debootstrap"
[06:18] <claydoh> notice that any k7, 686, etc kernels are no longer there, edgy has fewr kernels
[06:18] <en1gma> i know
[06:18] <en1gma> why in the hell wouldnt there be an i686 arch
[06:18] <en1gma> all i386
[06:18] <en1gma> oh this is bad
[06:19] <abattoir> en1gma: you dont need to put anything special for a kernel, you only get one
[06:19] <abattoir> en1gma: because i think it was decided that the performance difference between them was actually very minimal
[06:20] <en1gma> yea but i386
[06:20] <en1gma> i686 has sse3
[06:20] <en1gma> and so much more
[06:21] <mabreaux> adept crash:  Reboot did not release the file.   can I manually remover the lock file?
[06:21] <claydoh> yes
[06:21] <en1gma> [04:19]  <abattoir> en1gma: because i think it was decided that the performance difference between them was actually very minimal <<<<ive tested the diff in slamd64 (im pretty sure its all i686 for the x64
[06:21] <mabreaux> where is adept lock file located.
[06:21] <en1gma> ther is a noticable diff
[06:21] <ep> Can I get a list of all the packages  I presenlty have presently installed and pipe them to file I can use for future refererence?
[06:21] <en1gma> abattoir thanks for that link at least now i know what goes with debootstrap
[06:22] <Hawkwind> !adept lock file
[06:22] <claydoh> use the search in the main menu, search for 'lock' in var/
[06:22] <ubotu> adept: package manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 3752 kB, installed size 10988 kB
[06:22] <Hawkwind> Ermmm
[06:22] <Hawkwind> abattoir: What was that fact ?
[06:22] <abattoir> !adept crash fix
[06:22] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[06:22] <en1gma> continuing on with guide
[06:22] <claydoh> er/var
[06:22] <hunter> hi
[06:22] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Thanks :P
[06:22] <abattoir> en1gma: afaik, you dont need to specify a kernel type when you use debootstrap
[06:22] <abattoir> en1gma: what are you actually trying to do?
[06:22] <abattoir> Hawkwind: np :)
[06:24] <claydoh> there may be more than one lock file, you will want to substitute the path to any if there are more than one in the command ubotu gave
[06:24] <abattoir> ep: 'dpkg -l | grep ^ii > name of file'
[06:24] <abattoir> ep: obv. change name of file...
[06:28] <TehKewl1> how do I set it up so I can compile stuff?
[06:28] <ep> abattoir: thanks
[06:28] <abattoir> !b-e
[06:28] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:28] <abattoir> ep: no problem :)
[06:31] <en1gma> abattoir trying to install kubuntu on a fake-raid with 4 sata drives in a raid0 stripe with 2 partitions (1for windows and 1 for linux0
[06:32] <en1gma> instead of dloading it all i wish it could of just read my cd
[06:32] <en1gma> my god i got to dload it all again?
[06:32] <en1gma> lol
[06:32] <abattoir> so you are doing it through a chroot?
[06:32] <tristanmike> after adding the apt line for amarok 1.4.3, what do I do to install it ? remove the old amarok first then install the new one, or "apt-get upgrade" will do ?
[06:33] <abattoir> tristanmike: apt-get upgrade should do
[06:33] <tristanmike> thought so, thanx abattoir
[06:33] <abattoir> :)
[06:37] <en1gma> yep chroot
[06:38] <cpk1> trying to mount an iso i made from a .mdf but mount is giving me "mount: not a directory"
[06:39] <mabreaux> I guess I re-install the os and delete adept or does any one have a way to unlock adept?
[06:39] <tristanmike> abattoir: "The following packages have been kept back: amarok  amarok-xine"
[06:39] <cpk1> mabreaux: kill adept
[06:39] <mabreaux> how
[06:40] <cpk1> sudo killall adept
[06:40] <Kr4t05> mabreaux: run from the terminal "killall -9 adept"
[06:40] <en1gma> anyone know why this line dont work "apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop"
[06:41] <mabreaux> adept: no process killed
[06:41] <en1gma> god this guide isnt that old
[06:41] <en1gma> what did kubunto go and do? change the whole distro?
[06:41] <mabreaux> does anyone know where adept keeps it lock file.
[06:42] <cpk1> en1gma: you need to do it as sudo
[06:42] <en1gma> im root
[06:42] <cpk1> mabreaux: you need to kill the adept proc
[06:42] <zerozero> whats the latest kernel build for kununtu?
[06:43] <Kr4t05> 2.6.17-10
[06:43] <en1gma> 2.6.17.10
[06:43] <zerozero> thank you
[06:43] <mabreaux> adept is not running killall -9 adept showed nothing.
[06:43] <zerozero> anyone runningn that version?
[06:44] <en1gma> i wish someone would go over that guide and put the right commands for todays kubuntu distro
[06:44] <cpk1> i never liked killall
[06:44] <en1gma> i cant very well follow a guide that has outdated command
[06:44] <en1gma> s
[06:44] <cpk1> look for adept in ps aux
[06:44] <en1gma> i dont even know where to begin to look for what it wants
[06:44] <en1gma> cause its not there anymore
[06:44] <cpk1> en1gma: what are you trying to do?
[06:46] <en1gma> follow this guide
[06:46] <en1gma> get my raid0 stripe array (fake-raid)
[06:46] <en1gma> working
[06:46] <en1gma> and install kubuntu
[06:46] <en1gma> so i can boot
[06:47] <en1gma> i got me a good guide i gues things have changed alot in a year
[06:47] <en1gma> what was apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop is now what
[06:47] <en1gma> i want kubuntu dont forget
[06:47] <en1gma> thats just out of the guide
[06:48] <cpk1> it might just be a meta package like ubuntu
[06:48] <Hawkwind> zerozero: That version you were told is only in Edgy, not in Dapper
[06:48] <cpk1> what does ubuntu have to do with making raid work?
[06:48] <tristanmike> Hi, I'm trying to upgrade my amarok but it won't let me, can someone spare a minute ?
[06:48] <en1gma> root@ubuntu:/# apt-get install ubuntu [06:49] <en1gma> i need to install it
[06:49] <ep> What happens when apt-get idols with Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (146.137.96.7) ... Does it eventually time out?  Will I have to ctrl-c out of it?
[06:49] <Hawkwind> en1gma: You need to install what ?
[06:49] <en1gma> kubuntu
[06:49] <en1gma> i doing a chroot isntall
[06:49] <en1gma> kinda
[06:49] <Hawkwind> !chroot
[06:49] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[06:49] <en1gma> i dont need that
[06:49] <en1gma> i have a guide
[06:50] <Hawkwind> ep: It'll time out eventually.  It's best to not ctrl-c a package manager like that as it will possibly lock the database
[06:50] <en1gma> i mean do you think someone who cant even get to the desktop of kubuntu is gonna go read /debootstrap /chroot /apt-get /dmraid etc.....before they even get there
[06:50] <en1gma> i have a guide
[06:50] <en1gma> and im following it
[06:51] <en1gma> and something has changed
[06:51] <cpk1> need help mounting an .iso got this error "mount: not a directory"
[06:52] <en1gma> can you give me the links so i can also see how that dir structure is i guess so i can enter it into this command "apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop"
[06:52] <en1gma> i need to give it what it wants
[06:52] <en1gma> kubuntu has to be a girl cause it sure does expect alot
[06:52] <en1gma> ;)
[06:52] <ep> ah thanks for the info  fortunely it connected and completed.   Btw i fixed a locked database earlier ;)
[06:54] <en1gma> hello can someone tell me what i am supposed to use instead of ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop
[06:54] <en1gma> it has changed evedently
[06:54] <en1gma> evidently*
[06:55] <Hawkwind> cpk1: To mount an ISO image so that you can view/copy files to/from it, use the following command: mount -o loop -t iso9660 /full/path/to/foo.iso /mnt/some/mount/point/you/created
[06:55] <en1gma> do you understand i dont even know what ubunto-base is
[06:55] <en1gma> i know ill goto #ubuntu brb
[06:56] <cpk1> Hawkwind: do the option have to go first?
[06:57] <Hawkwind> cpk1: Probably not, but it's best to follow it exactly as it states
[06:57] <der_steppenwolf> hi, someone uses limewire?
[06:58] <Hawkwind> Lots of people probably use it.....if you have a question about it, might try just asking :)
[06:59] <Burninat0r> quick question, if i can run a program as a daemon by running 'foo --daemon' is there a way to make that program autostart when i boot?
[06:59] <der_steppenwolf> well, i am behind a firewall but now i use the vpn of my university. I have configured a port in limewire manually, and with telnet i can connect to it, but limewire can't establish a connection
[07:00] <Burninat0r> i tried making desktop shortcuts and copying them to ~/.kde/autostart and it works, but it acts like its trying to start a kde program and times out, but it does start the daemon, but i would like it to do this silently.
[07:00] <cpk1> Hawkwind: that still gives me the same error =\
[07:00] <der_steppenwolf> Limewire does not detect a firewall now, but can't still connect
[07:00] <Hawkwind> cpk1: Did you create a directory ?
[07:01] <cpk1> yes i created on in /mnt
[07:01] <Hawkwind> cpk1: What did you create ?
[07:01] <SyckPuppi> Oracle on Kubuntu? Flies, walks or crawls?
[07:01] <cpk1> /mnt/war
[07:01] <Hawkwind> cpk1: So you did:  sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/file.iso /mnt/war   ?
[07:01] <mabreaux> how do you uninstall adept?
[07:02] <tristanmike> if I have libvisual0.2 and install libvisual0.4, will that cause conflicts ?
[07:02] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: Why not just leave it installed incase you need it at some point
[07:02] <Hawkwind> !info libvisual
[07:02] <Blacken> Anyone familiar with VMware under Linux?
[07:02] <ubotu> Package libvisual does not exist in any distro I know
[07:02] <Hawkwind> !info libvisual0.4
[07:02] <ubotu> Package libvisual0.4 does not exist in any distro I know
[07:02] <tristanmike> you lie ubotu
[07:02] <Hawkwind> !find libvisual
[07:02] <ubotu> Found: libvisual0.2, libvisual0.2-dev, libvisual0.2-plugins
[07:02] <tristanmike> hahahaa
[07:02] <Hawkwind> 0.4 isn't for dapper
[07:03] <tristanmike> I know, I'm trying to install the newest amarok
[07:03] <Hawkwind> !info libvisual0.4 edgy
[07:03] <ubotu> Package libvisual0.4 does not exist in edgy
[07:03] <mabreaux> because I am tired of re-install the os to fix adept locked data base and this is number 5. today
[07:03] <cpk1> Hawkwind: yes i did
[07:03] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: What version of amarok ?
[07:03] <tristanmike> 1.4.3
[07:04] <Blacken> Hrm--is there a KDE version of xmms out there? I like xmms and dislike Amarok, but would like to integrate it into the KDE environment.
[07:04] <cpk1> Hawkwind: does it make a difference that i made this iso from a mdf?
[07:04] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: You don't need libvisual0.4 for 1.4.3
[07:04] <mabreaux> a lot of good people here and great advice but no luck on unlocking the adept database.
[07:04] <Hawkwind> cpk1: Possibly
[07:04] <tristanmike> Hawkwind: according to synaptic I do
[07:04] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: We've told you how to unlock it
[07:04] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: sudo apt-get install amarok
[07:05] <tristanmike> Hawkwind: default amarok is 1.3.9, I'm trying to install the new packages provided by J.Riddel
[07:05] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: I realize that.  I have them installed and don't have libvisual0.4 installed
[07:05] <mabreaux> I have done every thing all of you have suggested and the base is still locked.
[07:05] <tristanmike> Hawkwind "The following packages have been kept back: amarok  amarok-xine"
[07:05] <cpk1> mabreaux: have you looked at "ps aux"
[07:05] <mabreaux> is some case, attempted more than once
[07:06] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade   see if that updates it or not
[07:06] <mabreaux> I have used "ps aux | grep adept
[07:06] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: If not, try a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:06] <tristanmike> Hawkwind: I get the error above for both, untill I add the dapper backports
[07:06] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: Yeah, backports is needed for the newest amarok packages
[07:06] <cpk1> and did it have anything besides the notifier?
[07:07] <tristanmike> Hawkwind: because it depends on libvisual0.4.0
[07:07] <tristanmike> 0.4-0
[07:07] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: It doesn't here
[07:08] <tristanmike> weird....
[07:08] <KDEfanboy> mabreaux: tried? : rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[07:08] <tristanmike> perhaps since I already installed it for the visualizations, it sees that it needs it
[07:08] <tristanmike> for the default amarok that is
[07:08] <mabreaux> did not try that one.
[07:09] <tristanmike> I don't know what to tell you other than it's telling me i need it
[07:09] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: Is libvisual-0.4-0 installed currently ?
[07:09] <tristanmike> no, libvisual0.2 is installed
[07:09] <cpk1> i have the same problem with amarok
[07:09] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: sudo apt-get -f install  ?
[07:09] <tristanmike> I just want to know if they'll conflict
[07:09] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: No they won't conflict
[07:09] <tristanmike> thank you
[07:10] <cpk1> you cant apt get libvisual-0.4-0 either
[07:10] <Hawkwind> cpk1: Yes you can
[07:10] <tristanmike> cpk1: you need the backports line
[07:10] <Hawkwind> Come to find out, I actually have both installed
[07:10] <tristanmike> cpk1: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[07:10] <Hawkwind> I was searching for libvisual-0.4.0 instead of 0.4-0
[07:11] <tristanmike> Hawkwind: no doubt you do because amarok 1.4.3 depends on it
[07:11] <tristanmike> sheesh
[07:11] <Blacken> Hm, on second thought, amaroK works okay...is there a desktop widget like in GNOME to control the program without popping it open?
[07:11] <Blacken> I'd like to fix it to my top panel.
[07:11] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: Heh yeah.  Always helps if I search for the right package :)
[07:11] <tristanmike> Hawkwind: usually does :P
[07:12] <Ashex> I'm having some issues setting up a dual monitor on my desktop
[07:12] <Hawkwind> Ashex: Using Nvidia or ATI ?
[07:12] <Ashex> when i set it to do dual (extended), it makes the screen larger then the monitors
[07:12] <Ashex> Hawkwind, nvidia
[07:12] <Ashex> but with clone, it works fine
[07:12] <ubuntu> test
[07:12] <Hawkwind> Ashex: You wanting TwinView(one large desktop ?
[07:13] <Ashex> Hawkwind, yuppers
[07:13] <Hawkwind> Ashex: What resolution are your two monitors that you're using ?
[07:13] <Ashex> one is 1280x1024, the other ios 1024x768
[07:13] <Hawkwind> Ashex: http://SeerOfSouls.com/miscfiles/xorg.conf
[07:13] <tristanmike> YUK, amarok 1.4.3 is ugly  :P
[07:13] <Hawkwind> Ashex: That is my xorg.conf file using TwinView.  You'll have to edit the resolution line though as mine are both 1024x768
[07:14] <Ashex> Hawkwind, thanks :D
[07:14] <Hawkwind> Ashex: No problems :)
[07:14] <tristanmike> that welcome message is nice though, lol, I'll stop posting now  :P  thanx again Hawkwind
[07:15] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: You're welcome
[07:15] <Ashex> ha, same video card too
[07:15] <Hawkwind> Ashex: Hah nope.  I have an FX5200 actually.  I got my xorg.conf from a friend who has the 6600 IIRC
[07:15] <Ashex> You cheater :(
[07:16] <Hawkwind> Ashex: Heh, as long as it works, call me what you will :)
[07:16] <Ashex> true dat
[07:19] <unix_infidel> 6600gt
[07:21] <cpk1> i think i might have found something, it is trying to loop with /dev/loop0 which i dont have, should I go ahead and make it?
[07:21] <Ashex> awesome
[07:22] <Ashex> Hawkwind, works great
[07:22] <Hawkwind> Ashex: :)
[07:23] <Ashex> yay twinview with big screens!!!
[07:24] <Blacken> Anyone familiar with customizing WINE?
[07:24] <Hawkwind> Blacken: The guys in #WineHQ and/or #Cedega certainly are
[07:26] <cpk2> is it /nickserv identify?
[07:26] <tristanmike> with pass, yeah
[07:26] <cpk2> /nickserv identify
[07:26] <Hawkwind> cpk2: /msg nickserv identify <password>
[07:26] <tristanmike> cpk2: /msg nickserv
[07:26] <cpk2> oops
[07:26] <cpk2> good thing i didnt do my password
[07:26] <Blacken> Hunh, didn't realize that was on freenode. Thanks, Hawkwind.
[07:27] <Hawkwind> cpk2: Or if you use Xchat 2.6.4 or newer, /id <password>
[07:27] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Hard to find any project that doesn't have a channel here on Freenode
[07:27] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Probably true. I don't use IRC much. Never did, before I installed Ubuntu and it came with it.
[07:28] <Hawkwind> Ah, you'll be addicted in a month like the rest of us :P
[07:30] <cpk2> is there a command to see if you are identified or not?
[07:30] <Blacken> Hawkwind: I'm a bigger fan of mailing lists. The instantaneous nature of IRC is nice, though, especially for tech support.
[07:33] <CainMadness> Trying to install a skin for XMMS, but the skins folder for it is registered to user/group of root. How do I change it to me, so I can put skins into that folder?
[07:33] <bobbyz> Anyone in here familiar with how pcmciautils works?  I'm having a heck of a time getting my dwl-650 rev. p. wireless b card working with it.  I think I've narrowed the problem down to the hostap_cs.c kernel source file not having the proper product ID info for my card, but is there any way to add this info to a config file for pcmciautils, or do I need to patch the hostap_cs.c file and recompile the module?
[07:34] <cpk2> CainMadness: i might be wrong but i think chown CainMadness.cainmadness /this/is/where/xmms/skins/are
[07:36] <CainMadness> Let me give it a try, then I'll tell you.
[07:36] <CainMadness> The CainMadness.cainmadness part is the nick and pass I'm using, right?
[07:38] <cpk2> no its all the nick
[07:38] <cpk2> needs to be done as sudo
[07:38] <cpk2> accountname.accountname
[07:38] <CainMadness> Ah.
[07:38] <bmo> alo
[07:39] <cpk2> oh, maybe its a colon not a period
[07:39] <bmo> cpk2, I thought of something, and I was wrong about etc deserving of its own partition
[07:39] <CainMadness> Said operation not permitted.
[07:39] <cpk2> bmo: dont worry i figured it out already =)
[07:39] <cpk2> CainMadness: you need to use sudo
[07:39] <bmo> making etc on its own partition creates a paradox
[07:40] <bmo> esp when it comes to fstab
[07:40] <bmo> cpk2 did you have better luck?
[07:40] <CainMadness> cpk2: Worked. Thank you.
[07:41] <cpk2> bmo: i couldnt even finish mounting root dir, it asked for an init lvl and keyboard hadnt been loaded in yet
[07:41] <bmo> cpk2: ouch
[07:44] <pielgrzym> is there a script file which is executed on user login? I want to set up a symlink on each logon :)
[07:46] <bmo> jeepers, karma is a bitch... yacht karma seems to be really bad.  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/5371052.stm
[07:47] <bmo> pielgrzym what do you mean set up a symlink on each logon?
[07:47] <pielgrzym> a symbolic link
[07:47] <pielgrzym> just to have a directory 'music' in my home directory
[07:48] <bmo> oh
[07:48] <pielgrzym> whereas music is really located in /music :)
[07:48] <bmo> do you want the gui version or the command line version?
[07:48] <pielgrzym> gui version? I only know the 'ln' command :)
[07:49] <bmo> gui way: open konqueror.  split window into 2 panes.  navigate to / on one pane, home dir on second pane.  right-click drag /music to home dir.  say "make link here"
[07:49] <pielgrzym> since it's impossible to create a hard link to directory, isn't it? :)
[07:51] <pielgrzym> bmo: but such link won't survive the restart, will it? :)
[07:51] <bmo> it will
[07:51] <pielgrzym> aa
[07:51] <pielgrzym> great :)
[07:51] <bmo> it will make a symbolic link
[07:51] <pielgrzym> I thought symbolic links die after restart :)
[07:51] <bmo> as if you used ln -s
[07:51] <bmo> no
[07:52] <bmo> they don't
[07:52] <pielgrzym> what's the difference in real and in symbolic links than? :)
[07:52] <bmo> I'm not sure,  I should look, eh?
[07:53] <pielgrzym> don't bother :) thanks for help :)
[07:53] <en1gma> where did freos go
[07:53] <bmo> http://www.wellho.net/mouth/334_Symbolic-links-and-hard-links.html
[07:53] <jtholmes> cpk2  did is miss you last question i closed the tab
[07:54] <cpk2> how do i set /mnt back to drwxr-xr-x
[07:54] <bmo> hard links point to inodes, symbolic links don't
[07:54] <bmo> that's the diff
[07:54] <jtholmes> cpk2  chmod  755  /mnt
[07:54] <jtholmes> cpk2 and  war the same way
[07:55] <cpk2> thanks!
[07:56] <pielgrzym> bmo: thanks :)
[08:00] <dive-o> Hey, I have kubuntu installed on the 2nd partition of my first SATA drive - everything was working great, until I added two more drives, now it'll start booting, but hangs at something like "Waiting for root device" - any pointers?
[08:04] <pielgrzym> dive-o: you use lilo or grub?
[08:04] <dive-o> grub
[08:04] <Arlington> mornin! i also have freeze roblem...
[08:04] <pielgrzym> dive-o: are you on linux now?
[08:04] <dive-o> no, I'm on winXP now, because linux doesn't get any further than "Waiting for root filesystem"
[08:04] <dive-o> I have NetBSD handy if you need a *nix though
[08:05] <pielgrzym> it seems that attaching new hd change drive arrangement :)
[08:05] <Arlington> my comp freezez when i try to reboot/trunoff/change user
[08:05] <pielgrzym> try logging into console
[08:05] <pielgrzym> the grub console
[08:05] <Arlington> me
[08:05] <Arlington> ?
[08:05] <pielgrzym> or else
[08:05] <dive-o> pielgrzym: sure, by using the 2nd and 3rd controllers? if that kills ubuntu, that's not a bug in hardware.
[08:06] <Arlington> whay should i do in the grub console?
[08:06] <pielgrzym> go intu grub and try changing the root parameter in startup script :) it should help :)
[08:06] <pielgrzym> Arlington: I talked to dive-o :)
[08:06] <Arlington> aaah okey.
[08:06] <dive-o> what exactly should I do from the grub cmdline?
[08:06] <dive-o> I don't have the path to my kernel memorized :-)
[08:06] <pielgrzym> you have a grub menu?
[08:06] <dive-o> yeah, and I get the kubuntu splash screen
[08:07] <dive-o> but windows XP is the only menu entry that works :-P
[08:07] <pielgrzym> highlight the kubuntu load up option and press 'e'
[08:07] <pielgrzym> you will see a script that loads kubuntu
[08:07] <dive-o> yeah
[08:07] <pielgrzym> go to line root[x,x] 
[08:07] <pielgrzym> press 'e' again
[08:07] <dive-o> I don't see why that would change if the primary disk wasn't changed, though
[08:08] <pielgrzym> and try changing the x, x
[08:08] <dive-o> k
[08:08] <dive-o> bbl
[08:08] <pielgrzym> dive-o: I have a disk attached to mobo controller, primary master
[08:08] <dive-o> this is why I hate grub :P
[08:08] <pielgrzym> and it's being recognized as hde ;p
[08:08] <pielgrzym> dive-o: grub is lovely :) imagine in lilo you would be screwed now ;)
[08:09] <pielgrzym> dive-o: and a second disk on my system, attached to external ide controler is being recognized as hda :D
[08:10] <pielgrzym> If you could boot a live cd you could check easy which number your root partition has :)
[08:10] <pielgrzym> or better
[08:11] <pielgrzym> try a command in grub console 'find /boot/grub/menu.lst'
[08:11] <Arlington> i'll wait for my turn...*listens  to music*
[08:12] <pielgrzym> it will give u a list of drives which have the file (probably bsd, and kubuntu) :) then you can easly change the root :)
[08:12] <pielgrzym> Arlington: shop some logs to pastebin :)
[08:12] <pielgrzym> *ship
[08:12] <pielgrzym> so we could see what's going on :)
[08:12] <Arlington> i don't now wich are apropriate...
[08:13] <Arlington> i'am totaly new to linux
[08:13] <en1gma> what would i change this to 'ubuntu-base linux-386 ubuntu-desktop' for kubuntu amd64 x2
[08:13] <pielgrzym> Arlington: w8, I'll check which file would show something usefull :)
[08:16] <Arlington> thnx.
[08:17] <dive-o_> heh
[08:18] <pielgrzym> Arlington: try /var/log/kern.0.log :)
[08:18] <dive-o_> okay, either grub or ubuntu is retarded. if I disable the 3rd and 4th SATA ports, and leave drives 1 and 2 in, it works fine.
[08:18] <pielgrzym> kern.log.0
[08:18] <pielgrzym> dive
[08:18] <angel> hey how can I play mp3 on Kubuntu
[08:18] <angel> ?
[08:18] <dive-o_> pielgrzym: yes?
[08:18] <dive-o_> pielgrzym: no other root device worked in grub
[08:18] <pielgrzym> it apparently rearranges the drive letters :) you have to change the root for ubuntu and it will rock:)
[08:18] <dive-o_> heh
[08:19] <dive-o_> sdc i guess
[08:19] <pielgrzym> dive-o: have you tried 'find /boot/grub/menu.lst' in grub console?
[08:19] <dive-o_> no
[08:19] <mabreaux> well I am finially up, success using synaptic  and not adept.  reported bug on kubuntu web site.
[08:19] <dive-o_> I'm used to bootloaders that don't reorder drives at random :-)
[08:19] <en1gma> what does this line "apt-get install ubuntu-base linux-386 ubuntu-desktop dmraid grub" translate into for kubuntu and amd64 x2
[08:19] <en1gma> cause that command isnt working for me from kubunto bash
[08:19] <pielgrzym> dive-o: grub doesn't recognize the hda, hde, sda naming :) it has two digit drive naming :)
[08:20] <dive-o_> I'm well aware of that.
[08:20] <dive-o_> hd0,1, hd1,1, hd2,1
[08:20] <dive-o_> none work
[08:20] <pielgrzym> dive-o: it's not the boot loader who reorders the drives :) it's probably the ide controller :)
[08:20] <dive-o_> hd0,1 is where it should be (and is, with the 2nd and 3rd controllers off)
[08:21] <dive-o_> pielgrzym: I've seen too many instances of grub going crazy to believe that. I doubt a mobo manufacturer would number ports 1 through 4 and have ports 3 and 4 show up before 1 and 2.
[08:21] <pielgrzym> dive-o: the find command will give you drive numbers for all the drives which have menu.lst in proper folder :) check that :)
[08:21] <dive-o_> eh
[08:21] <dive-o_> bbiab then
[08:21] <en1gma> my question
[08:21] <en1gma> help
[08:22] <Arlington> wich is the pastbin adress again *sighs*
[08:22] <pielgrzym> !pastebin
[08:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:22] <Arlington> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25273/
[08:22] <Arlington> !pastebin
[08:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:23] <Arlington> aaah
[08:23] <en1gma> help
[08:23] <en1gma> come on ppl
[08:23] <pielgrzym> en1gma: what does the command result with?
[08:24] <en1gma> im following a guide
[08:24] <en1gma> E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-base
[08:24] <en1gma> for
[08:24] <pielgrzym> it seems the package is not on the repo :)
[08:25] <en1gma> its not named that
[08:25] <en1gma> that is for ubuntu
[08:25] <pielgrzym> check if you have all needed repositories enabled :)
[08:25] <en1gma> im running kubuntu
[08:25] <en1gma> i do
[08:25] <pielgrzym> ubuntu=kubuntu
[08:25] <en1gma> apt-get install ubuntu-base linux-386 ubuntu-desktop dmraid grub
[08:25] <en1gma> not ubuntu-desktop
[08:26] <en1gma> i would use kubuntu-desktop or kde wouldnt i
[08:26] <en1gma> some things are different
[08:26] <pielgrzym> could you give me the link to the how to?
[08:27] <Arlington> pielgrzym: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25273/
[08:27] <en1gma> yea 1 sec
[08:27] <en1gma> http://www.ubuntu-in.org/wiki/SATA_RAID_Howto
[08:27] <en1gma> "apt-get install ubuntu-base linux-386 ubuntu-desktop dmraid grub"
[08:28] <pielgrzym> Arlington: damn, log seems ok to me
[08:29] <pielgrzym> en1gma: afaik ubuntu-base is a metapackage only for system upgrade purposes
[08:29] <Arlington> it says nvidia in a alot of places i use a ati card... i dunno if that matters
[08:29] <en1gma> what would cause it not to read it
[08:29] <en1gma> or give that error
[08:30] <pielgrzym> en1gma: give your repos list :)
[08:31] <en1gma> i un commented those 2 lines?
[08:31] <en1gma> shouldnt that be it
[08:32] <MilhousePunkRock> Good morning everyone!
[08:32] <en1gma> in the sources.list file i uncommented 2 address that were commented
[08:32] <en1gma> hiya
[08:32] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey abattoir!
[08:32] <en1gma> pielgrzym please tell me :)
[08:32] <cpk2> argh has anyone gotten warcraft 3 to work with wine?
[08:32] <pielgrzym> en1gma: but you haven't added any?
[08:32] <MilhousePunkRock> How dary do I have to be to upgrade to edgy beta already?
[08:33] <en1gma> nope
[08:33] <en1gma> i dont know where to get em and if i did i wouldnt know which ones to put in
[08:33] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: wow, Really long time no see
[08:35] <en1gma> pielgrzym what kind of repos
[08:35] <en1gma> for this case
[08:35] <Arlington> HI MilhousePunkRock. presents himself as newbie, Jonas
[08:36] <pielgrzym> en1gma: I'm looking for them :] 
[08:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Hejsan Jonas... :-)
[08:36] <en1gma> ok thnx man
[08:36] <Arlington> Nmen :-)
[08:36] <Arlington> najs. e du haj p detta?
[08:39] <pielgrzym> en1gma: do you have universe repos enabled?
[08:39] <en1gma> yep
[08:39] <en1gma> 2 of em
[08:41] <en1gma> what about an "edgy meta universe"
[08:41] <pielgrzym> en1gma: u using edgy?
[08:41] <en1gma> yep
[08:41] <en1gma> whats that mean
[08:41] <en1gma> i feel something coming
[08:42] <pielgrzym> en1gma: which kubuntu have you got? 6.06 or a beta release 6.10?
[08:42] <en1gma> amd64 6.10 edgy
[08:42] <en1gma> thats the live cd im working with
[08:42] <en1gma> AND
[08:42] <pielgrzym> this could be the problem
[08:42] <en1gma> trying to isntall if possible
[08:42] <pielgrzym> edgy is not ready yet
[08:43] <en1gma> ohhh
[08:43] <pielgrzym> try installing dapper (6.06LTS)
[08:43] <en1gma> crap
[08:43] <pielgrzym> edgy might cause loads of problems :)
[08:43] <en1gma> man
[08:43] <en1gma> its got a newer kernel and a newer dmraid
[08:43] <en1gma> which i need
[08:44] <pielgrzym> hm
[08:45] <en1gma> cant i tell it "apt-get install ubuntu-base linux-amd64-generic kde dmraid grub
[08:45] <en1gma> crap that didnt come out right
[08:45] <en1gma> 1 sec
[08:45] <en1gma> cant i tell it "apt-get install gnome linux-amd64-generic kde dmraid grub
[08:46] <en1gma> i gonna try it
[08:46] <lpaezm> hi
[08:46] <en1gma> hi
[08:46] <pielgrzym> hi
[08:47] <lpaezm> where are you ?
[08:47] <lpaezm> im from mexico
[08:47] <lpaezm> and u?
[08:47] <en1gma> pielgrzym "apt-get install gnome" is doing something
[08:47] <pielgrzym> en1gma: yeah, it's installing gnome ^^
[08:47] <en1gma> hope that counts as a ubuntu-base
[08:47] <pielgrzym> ubuntu-base is more than that for sure
[08:48] <en1gma> are you sure
[08:48] <en1gma> someone told me its gnome earlier
[08:48] <pielgrzym> w8, i'll check
[08:48] <lpaezm> who is from mexico?
[08:48] <en1gma> its installing
[08:48] <en1gma> lol
[08:49] <lpaezm> ?
[08:49] <pielgrzym> en1gma: ubuntu-base installs ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standard - those two packages install about 20 subpackages...
[08:50] <en1gma> omg i wish i could have installed that
[08:50] <en1gma> instead of gnome
[08:51] <en1gma> gnome is still installing
[08:51] <Makro2> i need to install gtk+, so what files should i looking for
[08:51] <pielgrzym> en1gma: try asking on ubuntuforums.org :)
[08:52] <AWOSDev> I need XINE
[08:52] <en1gma> do you think the "gnome" package will inc what was in ubunto-base
[08:52] <AWOSDev> but can't remember the package name
[08:52] <AWOSDev> en1gma, try "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" if you want the GNOME interface
[08:52] <Arlington> when i try to shutdown/restart/logoff/switchuser/or use Ctrl-Alt-F1 my system hangs. i use the fglrx driver for my ati raden x800 card on a amd64 system.
[08:53] <en1gma> AWOSDev i tried to "apt-get install ubuntu-base" and it wouldnt work
[08:53] <AWOSDev> it's ubuntu-desktop
[08:53] <AWOSDev> and you need "sudo" in front of that
[08:53] <en1gma> ii think i tried that a couple reboots back i not sure
[08:53] <en1gma> im root
[08:53] <AWOSDev> oh okay
[08:53] <morghanphoenix> hello all
[08:53] <AWOSDev> Where is XINE!?
[08:54] <en1gma> i cant rem if that ubuntu-desktop did anything...it didnt
[08:54] <AWOSDev> oh Hi morghanphoenix
[08:54] <Makro2> i need to install gtk+, so what files should i looking for
[08:54] <morghanphoenix> anyone got ideas as to why when I try to download something it opens in kate?
[08:54] <morghanphoenix> It's getting really annoying
[08:54] <en1gma> there is no "ubuntu" catagory in adept
[08:54] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, what kind of file?
[08:54] <morghanphoenix> binary
[08:54] <Arlington> when i try to shutdown/restart/logoff/switchuser/or use Ctrl-Alt-F1 my system hangs. i use the fglrx driver for my ati raden x800 card on a amd64 system.
[08:55] <morghanphoenix> I'm downloading opera again, starting from a fresh install
[08:55] <en1gma> AWOSDev apt-get install ubuntu-desktop is working
[08:55] <AWOSDev> Makro2, sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-common
[08:55] <en1gma> does that override ubuntu-base
[08:55] <AWOSDev> en1gma, no it does not...it just installs all the GNOME files which you seem to want
[08:55] <Makro2> awosdev: thanks
[08:55] <AWOSDev> GDM including
[08:55] <en1gma> no i dont want it
[08:55] <morghanphoenix> and my repos aren't even working, not finding packages for ones I've added.
[08:55] <en1gma> i hate gnome
[08:55] <AWOSDev> Makro2, np
[08:56] <AWOSDev> en1gma, then why are you installing it?
[08:56] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, opera?
[08:56] <morghanphoenix> My browser
[08:56] <AWOSDev> no I know I mean Kate's trying to open Opera?
[08:56] <morghanphoenix> I don't like firefox much
[08:56] <AWOSDev> as in the installer for opera?
[08:56] <morghanphoenix> yeah
[08:56] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, I'm with you there but personally I like Konqueror
[08:56] <en1gma> AWOSDev the guide says "apt-get install ubuntu-base linux-386 ubuntu-desktop dmraid grub" im running edgy and the tut is for ubunto
[08:57] <morghanphoenix> when I click download it opens the binary in kate.
[08:57] <en1gma> what do i put for that command to come out right for amd64 x2 and kubuntu
[08:57] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, right-click and save as...  :)
[08:57] <AWOSDev> en1gma, hold on a sec...
[08:57] <en1gma> ok
[08:57] <en1gma> gosh dang ive already installed so much i gonna have to reformat again
[08:57] <Arlington> when i try to shutdown/restart/logoff/switchuser/or use Ctrl-Alt-F1 my system hangs. i use the fglrx driver for my ati raden x800 card on a amd64 system.
[08:57] <en1gma> from windows
[08:57] <morghanphoenix> It's a .pl file
[08:58] <morghanphoenix> some kind of link
[08:58] <morghanphoenix> not the deb package
[08:58] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, bah I hate those
[08:58] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, that's why Kate is opening it
[08:59] <morghanphoenix> it didn't before I reinstalled
[08:59] <cpk2> why does build-dep azureus require more packages than install azureus?
[08:59] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, they coded the Perl script wrong and it's sending the wrong MIME type to your current browser (I'm assuming Konqueror) which in turn i open Kate because it thinks it's a text file
[08:59] <morghanphoenix> I was trying out slackware
[08:59] <AWOSDev> grr
[08:59] <AWOSDev> the repos aren't giving me xine!
[09:00] <AWOSDev> I'm gonna scream!!!!!!
[09:00] <mabreaux> is there any gnome install on a kubuntu system, will it run gnome card games?
[09:00] <morghanphoenix> Repos aren't giving me much of anything.
[09:00] <cpk2> !libxine
[09:00] <AWOSDev> mabreaux, you do not need GNOME to run GNOME apps
[09:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libxine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:00] <AWOSDev> see
[09:00] <morghanphoenix> yeah for GTK
[09:00] <cpk2> AWOSDev: what format you want to play?
[09:01] <mabreaux> ok, thanks.
[09:01] <AWOSDev> I want to use MediaPlayerConnectivity to play Windows Media streams.
[09:01] <cpk2> dont you need wmv then?
[09:01] <cpk2> libxine doesnt cover wmv
[09:01] <AWOSDev> I have the w32codecs
[09:01] <AWOSDev> and can play WMAs in amaroK
[09:02] <AWOSDev> I need the actual *player*
[09:02] <AWOSDev> or some player that will work with MediaPlayerConnectivity
[09:02] <morghanphoenix> I'm hoping lame works, the dvd codecs aren't downloading.
[09:02] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, I'm thinking the repos are busted
[09:02] <morghanphoenix> All of them?
[09:03] <AWOSDev> It seems most...
[09:03] <morghanphoenix> I have extra repos that aren't the basics and even they aren't working.
[09:03] <AWOSDev> I know, WINE's repo didn't give me the newest version
[09:03] <AWOSDev> I have 0.9.21 and they have 0.9.22 out
[09:04] <morghanphoenix> nothing from operas repo, the codecs repos isn't working, amoraks repo either.
[09:04] <en1gma> why dont "http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/base/" not even have the 2.6.17.10 kernel which i am running
[09:04] <AWOSDev> realplayer: Depends: xlibs but it is not installable
[09:04] <morghanphoenix> Oh, and KDE too, but I got the kernel update.
[09:04] <AWOSDev> now en1gma seems to be having repo trouble too...
[09:05] <AWOSDev> this is *strange*
[09:05] <en1gma> just trying to figure out how i am running something newer then what they have in the repos
[09:05] <cpk2> AWOSDev: there is a ubuntu repo with a much newer wine (.21)
[09:05] <AWOSDev> I just said I have 0.9.21
[09:05] <AWOSDev> they have 0.9.22 out
[09:05] <cpk2> AWOSDev: just noticed oops
[09:05] <AWOSDev> cpk2 that's alright :)
[09:06] <cpk2> you cant expect someone to make a packages instantly
[09:06] <en1gma> AWOSDev the guide says "apt-get install ubuntu-base linux-386 ubuntu-desktop dmraid grub" im running edgy and the tut is for ubunto
[09:06] <en1gma> what do i put for that command to come out right for amd64 x2 and kubuntu
[09:06] <cpk2> my room mate just got .20 about 2 weeks ago so i am pretty thankful that they are this up to date
[09:07] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, nothing in adept, synaptic is missing packages I know were there yesterday, and apt-get is telling me packages I had before the reinstall don't exist.
[09:07] <AWOSDev> en1gma, well, I'm not sure I couldn't find what I wanted.
[09:07] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix exactly.
[09:07] <en1gma> :)
[09:08] <morghanphoenix> I can't even find yakuake
[09:08] <morghanphoenix> I love that little console
[09:08] <AWOSDev> According to mplayer, I have an Intel Pentium 4 Northwood.  sounds pretty neat for a Celeron :)
[09:08] <morghanphoenix> lol
[09:08] <AWOSDev> it says I may also have a Xeon Prestonia
[09:08] <AWOSDev> dang if I had a Xeon...
[09:08] <AWOSDev> :)
[09:09] <en1gma> installing linux-genric
[09:09] <Film905> Does anyone know if there is a way to configure tilda so they when you hit the shortcut key to show the cli it automaticly changes focus to the cli instead of keeping it on whatever app you were in?
[09:09] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, well I've been told mine's a K6-2.
[09:09] <en1gma> hope there is a kde-desktop like ubunto-desktop
[09:09] <morghanphoenix> Not unless it spontaneously downgraded
[09:10] <AWOSDev> wow a K6-2?
[09:10] <AWOSDev> those are pretty cool...at least they were when they were new :)
[09:10] <morghanphoenix> I have an athlon, not new, but still past the k6-2
[09:10] <AWOSDev> en1gma, kubuntu-desktop
[09:10] <morghanphoenix> I had a K6-3, skipped right over the 2
[09:10] <AWOSDev> I have three K6-2s, two of which died prematurely
[09:11] <AWOSDev> one for unknown reasons (seems to be power supply)
[09:11] <AWOSDev> the other seems to have overheated
[09:11] <AWOSDev> *MAJORLY* overheated
[09:11] <en1gma> oh ok ill try that one
[09:11] <morghanphoenix> Oh, but not a single problem getting quanta.
[09:11] <morghanphoenix> I melted my K6-3
[09:11] <AWOSDev> the clock ran extremely fast, I mean it was 9:30am on Sep 4th when it was really 11:00pm on Aug 30th.  :)
[09:11] <morghanphoenix> overclocked it way too far.
[09:12] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, seriously?  melted?  as in gooey glop?
[09:12] <morghanphoenix> As in the insides were burning and the case had those melted marks on it.
[09:12] <AWOSDev> ew
[09:12] <AWOSDev> not good at all
[09:12] <morghanphoenix> I had a 500 running at 666 for a few days though.
[09:13] <AWOSDev> dang
[09:13] <AWOSDev> when I tried to run my 500 (the one that's not dead yet) at 550 it couldn't even open DOS
[09:13] <AWOSDev> :)
[09:13] <AWOSDev> I'm thinking about being stupid and watching a DVD on Linux.
[09:13] <AWOSDev> what do I need to do?  anything special?
[09:14] <khaije1> anyone know why i can't get the OSD feature to work in konversation?
[09:14] <AWOSDev> OSD?  in Konversation?  really?
[09:14] <morghanphoenix> I didn't tweak it, a friend of mine came over and played, I had a new computer so I let him have fun.
[09:14] <AWOSDev> didn't even know it existed
[09:14] <morghanphoenix> yeah, just noticed that, wasn't there before.
[09:14] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, so in other words...you have no clue?
[09:14] <morghanphoenix> yup
[09:15] <khaije1> AWOSDev: oh ya absolutely, i've used it in a previous install, but it mysteriously doesn't work now
[09:15] <AWOSDev> hmm
[09:15] <morghanphoenix> At least I'm not the only one
[09:15] <AWOSDev> well considering the offending DVD doesn't even play in a DVD player is *not* a good sign :)
[09:15] <morghanphoenix> I can't even watch a movie at the moment
[09:16] <cpk2> i wish there was a meta package to download all the wallpapers on kde-look
[09:16] <khaije1> AWOSDev: reeeely nice feature, conversation popup with channel appended, i'll check pkg dependencies
[09:16] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, this is a DVD about a place I want to move to :)
[09:16] <AWOSDev> khaije1, really?  Sounds pretty neat.
[09:16] <morghanphoenix> where?
[09:16] <AWOSDev> Oregon
[09:16] <Arlington> how can i manually edit xorg?
[09:17] <morghanphoenix> Ah, nice place.
[09:17] <AWOSDev> Really, morghanphoenix?  You approve?  :)
[09:17] <morghanphoenix> At least it's not seattle
[09:17] <morghanphoenix> ARGH!
[09:17] <AWOSDev> hey, a Coldwell Banker logo!  it worked!
[09:17] <morghanphoenix> Lame doesn't exist now either.
[09:18] <AWOSDev> I just downloaded lame :)
[09:18] <morghanphoenix> And my entire music collection is MP3
[09:18] <octan> Arlington kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:18] <Arlington> thnx
[09:18] <octan> np
[09:19] <morghanphoenix> what's the package name for apt?
[09:19] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, huh?
[09:19] <morghanphoenix> lame?
[09:19] <AWOSDev> yep
[09:20] <morghanphoenix> just lame
[09:20] <AWOSDev> yep
[09:20] <AWOSDev> I did
[09:20] <AWOSDev> sudo apt-get install lame
[09:21] <morghanphoenix> Package lame is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:21] <morghanphoenix> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:21] <morghanphoenix> is only available from another source
[09:21] <morghanphoenix> E: Package lame has no installation candidate
[09:21] <morghanphoenix> what is going on?
[09:21] <AWOSDev> hmm
[09:21] <AWOSDev> that's what I had happen when I tried to install xine
[09:23] <Kennie> does the swap partition need to be primary?
[09:23] <morghanphoenix> and it's telling me amarok is at it's newest version when I know 1.4 is out.
[09:23] <morghanphoenix> I just had it, and I got it from that repo
[09:24] <cpk2> is there a plugin for konq thats like flashget?
[09:24] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, now I have a reason for hating apt.  it was so good until this...
[09:24] <en1gma> bbiam got to format again
[09:24] <morghanphoenix> I missed it really bad during my 1 day slackware adventure
[09:24] <morghanphoenix> but I'm starting to wonder
[09:25] <morghanphoenix> more stuff worked under slackware than is working now
[09:25] <AWOSDev> slackware is like, what, for slackers?
[09:25] <cpk2> whats lame for?
[09:25] <AWOSDev> MP3
[09:25] <AWOSDev> LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder
[09:25] <AWOSDev> but it plays them
[09:25] <morghanphoenix> Possible, is by slacking you mean you have nothing else to do than sit around all day and try to make sense of that manual.
[09:25] <AWOSDev> !info lame
[09:26] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-1 (dapper), package size 222 kB, installed size 620 kB
[09:31] <calcmandan> hey yall.  i'm sure this questions has been answered a billion times.  is there ANY way to have playback on encrypted dvd's?
[09:31] <morghanphoenix> And you're getting lame?
[09:31] <morghanphoenix> !restricted formats
[09:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:31] <AWOSDev> calcmandan I just fixed that myself
[09:31] <AWOSDev> calcmandan do you know how to add sources?
[09:32] <calcmandan> no i don't.  unfortuntely, i'm a permanewb.  i have a few repos added to the list.
[09:32] <AWOSDev> permanewb, that's funny :)
[09:32] <AWOSDev> anyway
[09:32] <AWOSDev> press ALT+F2
[09:32] <AWOSDev> and at the prompt type "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" (no quotes)
[09:33] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, I already had lame so I don't know if it really got it or not
[09:33] <AWOSDev> ahh
[09:33] <calcmandan> keep going.
[09:33] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, sudo apt-get install liblame0
[09:33] <AWOSDev> calcmandan
[09:33] <morghanphoenix> libdvdcss is working fine
[09:34] <AWOSDev> calcmandan press 'new session'
[09:34] <AWOSDev> calcmandan scroll all the way down
[09:34] <morghanphoenix> that's a zero?
[09:34] <AWOSDev> calcmandan add this line make an empty line at the bottom
[09:34] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix yes a zero as in nothing :)
[09:34] <AWOSDev> calcmandan deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ dapper free non-free
[09:34] <morghanphoenix> Which is what I got
[09:34] <calcmandan> i already have liblame() installed
[09:35] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, you mean you have that already?
[09:35] <AWOSDev> calcmandan yes we're trying to install libdvdcss2 here
[09:35] <AWOSDev> so at the bottom make an empty line and then put this in it
[09:35] <AWOSDev> deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ dapper free non-free
[09:35] <morghanphoenix> no, I mean it said it's not there
[09:36] <AWOSDev> calcmandan did you add that line?
[09:36] <calcmandan> one second.  i did but got an error.
[09:36] <calcmandan> one second
[09:36] <AWOSDev> calcmandan, error?  What error did you receive?
[09:37] <AWOSDev> morghanphoenix, Did you get my PM?
[09:37] <tk> ack, how can i tell dpkg to NOT try and install a package that failed? I'm trying to install what it needs, but dpkg keeps trying to re-run the failed package...
[09:38] <AWOSDev> tk, um, I believe --force-all
[09:38] <calcmandan> okay, it is updating now
[09:38] <AWOSDev> tk, um, but please confirm
[09:38] <AWOSDev> calcmandan good, you're ahead of me :)
[09:38] <calcmandan> awesome
[09:38] <calcmandan> downloading the library now
[09:38] <AWOSDev> once again, ahead of me :)
[09:38] <calcmandan> i'm not THAT much of a permanewb
[09:38] <calcmandan> haha
[09:38] <AWOSDev> :)
[09:39] <AWOSDev> now - mplayer dvd:// should work...
[09:39] <calcmandan> i send kisses to yall now
[09:39] <calcmandan> thank you
[09:39] <AWOSDev> calcmandan, np
[09:39] <calcmandan> all i wanted to do was watch star wars.
[09:40] <calcmandan> thank you very very much
[09:40] <AWOSDev> calcmandan, I'm glad I could be of assistance.
[09:40] <AWOSDev> :)
[09:40] <tk> AWOSDev: : jsut giving me another "help" message
[09:41] <AWOSDev> tk, according to what I read in the man page, dpkg --force-all should work
[09:41] <AWOSDev> I suggest reading the man page and trying again.
[09:42] <tk> if I do that, I get the same output as "dpkg" by itself
[09:42] <AWOSDev> hmm
[09:42] <AWOSDev> What's the exact error?
[09:42] <josh_> wat us dpkg??
[09:43] <AWOSDev> josh_, huh?
[09:43] <tk> the error im trying to overcome to install other stuff is
[09:43] <tk> dpkg: error processing flashplugin-nonfree (--configure):
[09:43] <tk>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[09:43] <tk> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:43] <tk>  flashplugin-nonfree
[09:44] <AWOSDev> Okay, and that's a dependency of what you are trying to install?
[09:44] <tk> no, it errors because of libqt-perl, but I cant install libqt-perl until I get rid of dpkg trying to install that
[09:45] <mabreaux> how do I instal a full version of mplayer on kubuntu.
[09:45] <dive-o_> heh
[09:45] <dive-o_> ridiculous
[09:45] <dive-o_> despite my BIOS clearly listing the drives as 1, 2, 3... kubuntard can't even boot, and windows sees another drive as drive 0
[09:45] <dive-o_> tried different cable arrangements, everything
[09:45] <dive-o_> guess I'm buying a PCI sata card
[09:45] <AWOSDev> mabreaux, type "sudo apt-get install mplayer" on the Konsole.
[09:47] <dive-o_> is Linux ever going to stop acting like SATA is SCSI? heh
[09:47] <dive-o_> it's embarrassing to see such a highly developed OS act that silly
[09:47] <main2> dive-o it isnt acting like if its scsi
[09:47] <main2> dive-o you dont know what ur talking about
[09:47] <dive-o_> don't I?
[09:48] <main2> because they have the same style udev node name doesnt mean they are handled the same
[09:48] <dive-o_> hda is generally IDE, sda is SCSI
[09:48] <dive-o_> the printk's are even the same
[09:48] <tk> div: sda is my fisrt USB drive... so does that mean it thinks its SCSI too?
[09:48] <Arlington> i need help with  my radeon x00 stopping me from rebootin/turningoff/logging out.
[09:48] <dive-o_> tk: it means it's acting like SCSI, yes.
[09:49] <main2> no its not
[09:49] <tk> it "acts" just like my intenral IDE does...
[09:49] <dive-o_> the OS is treating it like SCSI
[09:49] <Arlington> i need help with  my radeon x800 stopping me from rebootin/turningoff/logging ou
[09:50] <dive-o_> Arlington: we  saw you the first time
[09:50] <dive-o_> how is it stopping you from doing those three things?
[09:51] <MikeStyle> hey guys, quick question. just installed kubuntu 6.06 off disc and did updates. im on a 19" widescreen monitor with an nvidia geforce 6800 gfx card. i cant set my native resolution to 1440 by 900. i tried editing xorg.conf and still nothing. any ideas?
[09:51] <main2> MikeStyle: yeah..
[09:51] <main2> have you installed the nvidia driver?
[09:51] <MikeStyle> when i tried it stated i needed some wierd package
[09:51] <main2> mike: do the following, open a console
[09:52] <MikeStyle> plus, kubuntu detected the card type, i figured that meant the driver was pre installed.
[09:52] <main2> type: 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx'
[09:52] <main2> but before you can do this
[09:52] <MikeStyle> ?
[09:52] <main2> you have to add multiverse to you apt / sources.list
[09:52] <MikeStyle> okay
[09:52] <main2> you know how to do this?
[09:52] <MikeStyle> it installed
[09:53] <main2> ok great, now that was step one..
[09:53] <Arlington> i thought so but there was an error in that message so i edited and reposted.
[09:53] <MikeStyle> yes i used to use ubuntu alot but i stopped because i opened a gfx design business and needed photoshop within windows. i lost my touch
[09:53] <main2> sadd :(
[09:53] <main2> MikeStyle: but ur back so :D
[09:53] <MikeStyle> bought a 400 gb hdd for windows, so old 80 gb now linux >:D
[09:53] <main2> MikeStyle: if you open xorg.conf now, we need to setup the monitor stuff.
[09:54] <Arlington> it hangs
[09:54] <MikeStyle> k 1 sec
[09:54] <dive-o_> I'm considering giving BSD another try, if kubuntu can't manage to boot with other drives present when even windows can
[09:54] <dive-o_> windows shows them out of order, but it works :P
[09:54] <MikeStyle> xorg.conf is open mon capitan
[09:55] <MikeStyle> i loved freebsd...was a bitch to install though.
[09:55] <dive-o_> FreeBSD is easy to install, but I had to ditch it due to a network bug that'd stall transfers after a few gigs
[09:55] <dive-o_> kubuntu was great on its little 60G slice of my 300G drive, but decided not to boot anymore after I stuck two 80G drives in
[09:56] <MikeStyle> well, it was hard for ME ok?
[09:56] <MikeStyle> lol
[09:56] <MikeStyle> you on a pci ide card?
[09:56] <dive-o_> nope.
[09:56] <MikeStyle> SATA?
[09:56] <dive-o_> onboard 4-port silicon image Sil3114 SATA.
[09:56] <main2> MikeStyle: what size is the display?
[09:56] <mabreaux> goodnight all
[09:57] <MikeStyle> its a 19 inch widescreen, native resolution at 1440 by 900
[09:57] <dive-o_> sounds like a weird laptop resolution... I can't get used to those after using 1600x1200 :(
[09:58] <dive-o_> x900 is just too short
[09:58] <MikeStyle> i want an apple monitor. but i dont want to pay 3000 dollars for one.
[09:58] <calcmandan> youi don't have to
[09:58] <calcmandan> a 30 inch is 1999
[09:58] <MikeStyle> ....
[09:58] <dive-o_> MikeStyle: do what I do, ask your boss for one every week
[09:58] <calcmandan> i sell them every day.
[09:58] <dive-o_> MikeStyle: hasn't worked yet, but maybe someday :|
[09:58] <MikeStyle> i work for a place that doesnt resell apple :(
[09:59] <calcmandan> i work at apple
[09:59] <dive-o_> poor guy
[09:59] <tk> dive-o: its a widescreen reso, not just for laptops anymore :P
[09:59] <main2> mike, you have installed the nvidia driver huh.., what is the monitor section currently saying?
[09:59] <MikeStyle> are you aware os x is the most limited os next to dos?
[09:59] <tk> calcmandan: do they give decent employee incentives?
[09:59] <AWOSDev> I wouldn't neccessarily say next to DOS...next to Windows 3.1 maybe :)
[09:59] <calcmandan> sure they do
[09:59] <dive-o_> tk: I thought widescreen was all about 16:9? (I know nothing about widescreen, so stop me if i'm wrong)
[10:00] <MikeStyle> main2, can i pastebin it for you?
[10:00] <main2> yes
[10:00] <Arlington> no one that can help me?
[10:01] <dive-o_> osx is the most limited next to dos only if dos got really really really damned popular on special dosintosh computers in the last couple years
[10:01] <tk> dive-o: yah, 1.7 vs 1.6
[10:01] <fdoving> Arlington: what's your problem?
[10:01] <MikeStyle> main2; http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25275/
[10:01] <tk> i think my reso isnt perfect 1.7 either though
[10:02] <tk> nope, my reso works out to 1.6 ratio as well
[10:02] <tk> 16/9 is 1.7~
[10:02] <main2> MikeStyle: ur dutch right?
[10:02] <dive-o_> tk: ahh
[10:02] <main2> MikeStyle: restart X, it should be fine now
[10:03] <dive-o_> tk: I'm still using some cheez dell 17" CRT I dug up when my nice viewsonic died, so I wouldn't know ;)
[10:03] <tk> dive-o: probably something stupid because of pixels shape or something
[10:03] <tk> dive-o: im on a 15.4 widescreen laptop :P
[10:03] <MikeStyle> I am a united states citizen
[10:03] <MikeStyle> brb
[10:03] <main2> k =)
[10:03] <fdoving> Arlington: ok, did you do any changes? or is it a default install?
[10:03] <main2> but he's using a dutch pastebin.. :d
[10:03] <tk> lol
[10:04] <dive-o_> I'm on a rather nicely built desktop, if I could only convince the damned bios to order drives correctly, and grub not to smoke crack
[10:04] <tk> speaking of drive,s, I need to format the rest of my intenral drive since windows wont let me
[10:04] <main2> you shouldnt use windows.
[10:05] <rahmetli> a simple question: the addresses in my repository list start with au, does this mean i am using australia mirror for download?
[10:05] <tk> i have to for a few things still
[10:05] <main2> rahmetli: yes
[10:05] <tk> otherwise I wouldnt
[10:05] <rahmetli> but
[10:05] <rahmetli> i live in greece
[10:05] <ke> gr
[10:05] <main2> then you need to check if there is a gr.repos..
[10:05] <rahmetli> how can i find closer mirrors
[10:05] <Arlington> how do u mena made any changes? havn't worked ever( 2 days )
[10:05] <tk> i just use the defaults, they always work for me :P
[10:06] <tk> plus I dont care to find out if there is a KR repo
[10:07] <rahmetli> so how can i find closer mirrors
[10:07] <Arlington> fdoving how do u mean? it never worked.
[10:08] <tk> rahmetli: : is the AU one just dog slow? its fast as hell from Korea.... :P
[10:08] <yigal> Can someone explain me what is Kubuntu?
[10:08] <tk> and the ISP here sucks
[10:09] <t> hi. how to disable grub? (i need to completly remove kubuntu for a short while for hdd, but there will be frub error 22 propably and i wouldn`t can login to windows)
[10:09] <rahmetli> i just need the sol'n,dear tk
[10:09] <MikeStyle> main2, thanks it worked.
[10:10] <MikeStyle> next thing on my agenda: get gnome and then xgl
[10:10] <main2> :) good, enjoy bro
[10:10] <MikeStyle> any advice on that?
[10:10] <main2> ok MikeStyle thats easy
[10:10] <main2> forget the xgl, it aint worth the time to invest to get it working..
[10:10] <main2> but gnome is 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[10:10] <MikeStyle> i still wanna play with it once gnome is setup
[10:11] <main2> then you can switch from the login thing..
[10:11] <MikeStyle> k thanks
[10:11] <dive-o_> tk: Korea has a ton of bandwidh, given that they're second only to china in most spammers :P
[10:11] <tk> dive-o: and they have like.... the crappiest hardward, I constantly have to reboot my modem because it decides to stop tx'ing
[10:12] <tk> s/hardard/hardware
[10:12] <dive-o_> damn
[10:12] <Arlington> anyone that has overcomed the frglx problem with amd64 that  can help me?
[10:12] <rahmetli> dive you can understand me,thnx :)
[10:12] <MikeStyle> are you sure xgl isnt worth it?
[10:12] <dive-o_> rahmetli: ?
[10:12] <dive-o_> rahmetli: I can understand you, yes, whats up?
[10:13] <tk> rahmetli: I have no idea what sol'n is....
[10:13] <t> question: how to disable grub? (i need to completly remove kubuntu for a short while for hdd, but there will be frub error 22 propably and i wouldn`t can login to windows)
[10:13] <Arlington> anyone that has overcomed the frglx problem with amd64 that  can help me?
[10:13] <rahmetli> you said Korea has a ton of bandwidh, given that they're second only to china in most spammers :P
[10:13] <emretemp01> hi all
[10:14] <rahmetli> i agreed
[10:14] <MikeStyle> t, get a windows install cd and get to recovery console and type "fixmbr" with no quotations
[10:14] <tk> Arlington: 10 lines is hardly far enough apart to repeat yourself... will just annoy everyone
[10:14] <Arlington> sorry. i'am kinda desperate :-/
[10:15] <MikeStyle> bah....why didnt kubuntu come with firefox
[10:15] <dive-o_> Arlington: the more you spam the less you get answered
[10:15] <t> mikestyle - how to get to recovery console?
[10:16] <rahmetli> i live in greece
[10:16] <rahmetli> so how can i find closer mirrors
[10:16] <dive-o_> rahmetli: dunno about kubuntu, but a lot of projects have mirrors in italy
[10:16] <MikeStyle> t, you need a windows installation disc most of the time. from there you can press R once it is loaded to get to a dos promt in which you type: fixmbr
[10:16] <t> oh, i got it
[10:16] <t> thanks mikestyle
[10:17] <MikeStyle> sometimes some models come with a tiny partition with a recovery console, but ive only seen that once.
[10:17] <dive-o_> I havent been to greece in 13 years so i dunno
[10:17] <MikeStyle> no prob
[10:17] <MikeStyle> i havent been outside US/Mexico
[10:17] <rahmetli> thnx dive-o if i cant find closer ones i will try italy
[10:25] <tk> looks like apt-get -f install might have fixed my problem
[10:26] <rahmetli> does ubuntu has a built-in firewall?
[10:26] <fdoving> rahmetli: no, it doesn't need one,as it doesn't run any services by default.
[10:26] <rahmetli> hmm.
[10:27] <rahmetli> if i install an http server
[10:27] <rahmetli> ?
[10:27] <rahmetli> or ssh will am i going to need it?
[10:28] <tk> ugh
[10:28] <main2> where is mikestyle?
[10:28] <tk> debconf: DbDriver "passwords" warning: /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat is locked by another process
[10:28] <tk> debconf: DbDriver "templatedb": /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat is locked by another process
[10:28] <tk> whats the fix for that? if it aint one thing its another today :(
[10:28] <abattoir> tk: are you running another instance of the installer?
[10:28] <tk> not that I'm aware of
[10:29] <abattoir> tk: try 'sudo fuser -vki /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat'
[10:29] <abattoir> tk: it'll telling you which application has 'locked' it and give you an option to kill that app.
[10:29] <abattoir> *it'll tell you
[10:30] <tk> i think i found it, had a ghost proc that ps -aux showed up
[10:30] <tk> that made, tons of difference
[10:30] <morghanphoenix> How do I automaticaly start programs when KDE loads?
[10:31] <abattoir> morghanphoenix: there are two ways, one through Session Management and other is to use the ~/.kde/Autostart folder
[10:31] <abattoir> morghanphoenix: if you have Session Management on(which is the default option), any app that is open when you logout will be restarted when you start kde
[10:32] <rahmetli> i live in greece
[10:32] <rahmetli> so how can i find closer mirrors
[10:32] <rahmetli> my repository list currently downloads from au mirror
[10:32] <abattoir> rahmetli: greece seems to have its own mirror
[10:32] <morghanphoenix> how do you turn that on? I'm trying to get yakuake to autostart.
[10:32] <abattoir> patroklos.noc.ntua.gr
[10:33] <abattoir> morghanphoenix: make sure yakuake is running, logout of KDE and log back in, yakuake should start on its own
[10:33] <rahmetli> how can i find the mirror list?
[10:33] <abattoir> morghanphoenix: in case you disabled it manually, you can enable it in Kcontrol/System Settings->KDE Components->Session Mgmt.
[10:35] <morghanphoenix> Thanks
[10:35] <abattoir> rahmetli: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[10:36] <rahmetli> i am checking,thanx again.
[10:37] <Pensa`MIA> does anyone know if thunderbird uses the hosts file in kubuntu?
[10:38] <kraut> moin
[10:38] <rahmetli> abattoir is the link you gave mirror list for ISO's or for repositories?
[10:38] <abattoir> rahmetli: i think its for both
[10:38] <abattoir> rahmetli: if you selected Greece during installation, your sources.list should already point to that repo
[10:39] <rahmetli> i havent :(
[10:39] <abattoir> rahmetli: does your sources.list file say gr.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[10:39] <rahmetli> no
[10:39] <abattoir> ok, then just change it to that
[10:39] <rahmetli> ok
[10:41] <rahmetli> by the way,where is my sources.list file? i said no because i cant any url starting with gr :)
[10:41] <rahmetli> by the way,where is my sources.list file? i said no because i cant see any url starting with gr :) in my repository list
[10:41] <tk> /etc/apt/sourceslist I believe
[10:41] <tk> err .list
[10:42] <abattoir> rahmetli: what do you see?
[10:42] <abattoir> rahmetli: i mean what URL do you see?
[10:42] <rahmetli> au.archive.ubuntu.com ...
[10:43] <abattoir> ok, just change au to gr
[10:43] <abattoir> that's all
[10:43] <rahmetli> yes ;)
[10:43] <rahmetli> are the list of au and gr different?
[10:44] <rahmetli> can be any difference?
[10:44] <fdoving> !netinstall > fdoving
[10:45] <abattoir> rahmetli: what do you mean?
[10:45] <abattoir> rahmetli: yes, au and gr point to different mirrors
[10:45] <abattoir> rahmetli: try pinging them ;)
[10:45] <rahmetli> i mean the programs,
[10:45] <abattoir> rahmetli: no, no, they are all the same
[10:46] <rahmetli> thats ok.
[10:46] <abattoir> they are just mirrors, so no diff. at all
[10:46] <rahmetli> ok
[10:46] <rahmetli> thank you abattoir
[10:46] <abattoir> no problem :)
[10:46] <Pensa`MIA> what's the best online hosts file?
[10:48] <Arlington> anyone using kweather?
[10:49] <rahmetli> abattoir now download is faster :)  for programs :) thanks again.
[10:49] <abattoir> :)
[10:49] <scheuri> hi all
[10:51] <Arlington> hi all!
[10:53] <main2> if anyone sees 'MikeStyle' comming online, pleeeeeeeeeease
[10:54] <main2> tell him that i forgot to tell him something (if he doesnt get this message.. he's system will be broken)
[10:55] <tk> heh, probably too late for that :/
[11:00] <ibert> does anybody know howto install torpark?
[11:01] <octan> whats that?
[11:03] <pascalFR> hello,  is there a means to recover when apt-get segfaults ?  after updrage to edgy
[11:03] <ibert> octan: sorry my fault. seems to be a win only project,.
[11:05] <octan> whoohoo script kiddy knoking my ssh door
[11:05] <octan> !!! Message from Router !!!
[11:06] <octan> Sat Sep 30 11:03:21 CEST 2006
[11:06] <octan> Droping ip 59.106.23.190 with iptables
[11:06] <octan> !!! Reason:: !!!
[11:06] <octan> To many faulty login attempt on the open services
[11:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Message from Router !!! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Reason:: !!! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:06] <octan> :)
[11:11] <main2> mikestyles << if you see this guy around, tell him to pm me
[11:22] <abattoir> !info superkaramba > Arlington
[11:22] <ubotu> superkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 504 kB, installed size 1376 kB
[11:24] <AbortD> PEACE TO THE WORLD!
[11:25] <AbortD> HACK THE PLANET!
[11:26] <zorglu_> AbortD: ok please take this on #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:26] <AbortD> there is one of you in everry chan!
[11:27] <zorglu_> !offtopic
[11:27] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:27] <AbortD> omg
[11:28] <tk> hmmm is there any utility that would let me setup another partion w/o deleting old ones? I only fdisked 40gigs of my 100gig drive when I installed kubuntu... and it tells me to delete other partions and create an extended one to add more...
[11:28] <zorglu_> tk: qparted allows to resize partition
[11:28] <zorglu_> !partition
[11:28] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[11:28] <tk> i dont need to resize... I need a separate one... but I'll check it out
[11:29] <zorglu_> if you already got 4 primary partition on the disk, you can no more create partitions
[11:29] <tk> hmmm, never heard of that limit before :/
[11:30] <zorglu_> it is due to 'history'
[11:30] <zorglu_> you need to create extended/secondary partitions to increase this limit
[11:30] <tk> I hate extended :( guess I've just never created more than 3 primarys before though :/
[11:31] <cpk2> doesnt an extended partition count as a primary? but you can just put multiple partitions inside extended
[11:31] <AbortD> that happens when  yer a newb tk
[11:31] <AbortD> !op
[11:31] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatric, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak or Hawkwind
[11:31] <gnomefreak> AbortD: ?
[11:31] <AbortD> lol
[11:31] <AbortD> aw man
[11:31] <AbortD> im sorry gnomefreak
[11:31] <zorglu_> AbortD: please behave
[11:31] <tk> AbortD: har har, not really... just never wanted more than 4 partitions on a HD before
[11:31] <AbortD> i will i promise
[11:31] <AbortD> tk im sorry
[11:32] <AbortD> im more of a newb than u
[11:32] <AbortD> gnomefreak, is aa nicce guuuy i guess
[11:32] <zorglu_> AbortD: if you have questions, ask them
[11:33] <AbortD> zorglu_, why are youuu homosexual?
[11:33] <zorglu_> AbortD: for the third time, please behave
[11:33] <zorglu_> gnomefreak: thanks
[11:33] <gnomefreak> zorglu_: not the first channel thats #3
[11:34] <zorglu_> oh ok
[11:34] <buz> anyone seen the latest okular shots? it now supports annotations and drawing on PDFs
[11:34] <buz> which brings me to the point of: does anyone have binaries for it?
[11:34] <buz> (i'm wary about installing  Krash myself)
[11:34] <zorglu_> i dont even know what it is :)
[11:35] <buz> www.okular.org
[11:35] <buz> basically, an all purpose doc viewer
[11:35] <buz> kpdf replacement for kde4
[11:36] <zorglu_> seems nice :)
[11:36] <buz> http://kpdf.kde.org/okular/screenies/okular-annotations.png <- i must SOOO have that
[11:36] <zorglu_> but installation seems harder due to the kde4 dependancies
[11:36] <buz> yes
[11:36] <buz> i fear installing kde4
[11:37] <zorglu_> have you asked to #kpdf they may have some .deb for edgy ?
[11:37] <buz> probably not
[11:37] <buz> but i could try ig uess
[11:37] <zorglu_> yep, it doesnt cost much :)
[11:38] <buz> alternatively, can someone describe in a few words what happens when i install Krash from kubuntu.org on edgy=
[11:40] <zorglu_> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.1.php
[11:40] <zorglu_> thats all i found
[11:40] <buz> yeah its not very helpful ;)
[11:40] <buz> i tried making sense of it before
[11:41] <zorglu_> Run some programmes. Konsole seems to work. Good luck. <- from the page, the good luck seems to say a lot :)
[11:43] <buz> i think i'll try in vmware
[11:43] <ryan_> anyone know where ktorrent installs by defalt....it keeps crashing so i wanted to uninstall and deleate the config file and reinstall
[11:44] <zorglu_> in ~/.ktorrent i believe
[11:45] <ryan_> what dp you mean by~
[11:45] <zorglu_> ryan_: /home/youloginname/.ktorrent
[11:45] <zorglu_>  /home/ryan/.ktorrent
[11:47] <ryan_> i thought that was what you ment and i thought thats were it would be but its not.....thanks anyway....
[11:47] <zorglu_> np
[11:47] <buz> what version of ktorrent are you using
[11:48] <ryan_> ive done something to make kubuntu realy buggy so i think im going to talk my self in that a fresh install and pay more attenchin to everything i do
[11:49] <ryan_> i dont know what evers in the kubuntu repositories
[11:49] <buz> that one worked ok for me
[11:51] <ryan_> it did for my and it just died on me a few min ago and i cant get it to come back up...
[11:51] <gnomefreak> lasdid you happen to make a specs page in LP for canoe?
[11:51] <buz> try killall -9 ktorrent on the console
[11:51] <buz> 5oi0
[11:51] <buz> oops
[11:51] <buz> keyboard fell to the floor ;)
[11:53] <ryan_> buz: i got ktorrent: no process killed
[11:54] <buz> its not hanging around somewhere then
[11:54] <zorglu_> and you still got the window on the screen ?
[11:54] <tk> if I delete my swap partition will that break anything? (I have 1gig of Ram)
[11:54] <ryan_> the ktorrent window?
[11:54] <zorglu_> ryan_: yes
[11:55] <tk> probably because it ran as kdesu ktorrent ?
[11:55] <zorglu_> tk: it will break, if you are currently using it, it wont if you dont
[11:55] <ryan_> no whan i load it i get the KDE crash handler
[11:55] <zorglu_> tk: you may do 'swapoff' to remove the swap usage
[11:55] <tk> zorg: thanks :)
[11:55] <zorglu_> ryan_: ah ok
[11:56] <tk> i assume -a is the right command for it?
[11:56] <zorglu_> lookin
[11:56] <tk> yah
[11:56] <tk> -a is all swap devices
[11:57] <zorglu_> tk: yep, i think so 'swapoff -a'
[11:57] <zorglu_> tk: and then 'free' to check if it works ok
[11:57] <ryan_> what i dont get is it was all of the sudden...it wasnt acting weird or anything it just up and quit and i cant get it to run any more...ive got bittornado runnung in its place but that wont cut it
[11:58] <pielgrzym> anybody has a clue why do i get 'an unknown error occurred' when kde tries to automount memory card from external reader?
[11:58] <tk> wow, kubuntu is using 1gig of ram :(
[11:58] <ryan_> any ideas on a diffrent client that similar
[11:58] <zorglu_> Swap:       265032      17288     247744 <- you need to have 0 on this line
[11:58] <zorglu_> tk: yep this is normal
[11:58] <tk> zorglu_: yah it worked :) was just shocked that I was using a gig of rm doing almost nothing :P
[11:59] <zorglu_> tk: it is mostly not used ...
[11:59] <ryan_> tk i have a a gig and 1/2 and its almoast always moastly used but im always multi tasking
[11:59] <zorglu_> very unclear :)
[11:59] <zorglu_> -/+ buffers/cache:     270688     180100 <- you see the 180100 ? it is where you got the free ram
[11:59] <zorglu_> how much do you have tk
[12:00] <tk>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[12:00] <tk> Mem:          1265       1217         48          0         62        916
[12:00] <tk> ahh on the  buffer/cache line i have
[12:00] <zorglu_> 916 + 62 is used for speed optimisation only
[12:00] <tk> -/+ buffers/cache:        237       1027
[12:00] <zorglu_> aka they may be released if needed
[12:01] <zorglu_> and you got 1027mbyte of free ram
[12:01] <Arlington> i have problems with my liquid weather. any on?
[12:01] <tk> ahhh ok :)
[12:01] <Arlington> anyone
[12:01] <tk> thats very.... unintuitive way of reporting ram stats
[12:01] <zorglu_> tk: yep it is not a final user tool. one should add a wikipage on this
[12:02] <zorglu_> tk: you are not the only one to worry about 'all my memory is used but i do almot nothing'
[12:02] <tk> im not worried.... its still more responsive than windows :P
[12:02] <Arlington> any one who is good at superkaramba-liquidweather?
[12:05] <tk> hmmm
[12:06] <tk>  just changed my old linux swap to a FAT16 part... and till reads as swap in QTParted
[12:07] <tk> probably wouldnt hurt to reboot anyways, kernel update came down
[12:16] <Flosoft> hey
[12:16] <Flosoft> I have got problems with amarok not playing music since the update I did yesterday
[12:16] <Flosoft> I use the xine player engine
[12:26] <Arlington> when i ran adept the last time it hung. and whem i try to run it now it just says that the database is locked. how can i fix this?
[12:27] <zorglu_> Arlington: either you have other program using it, either it is a bug
[12:27] <zorglu_> Arlington: the easiest is to reboot, the hardest is to remove manually the log file when you ensured it is not used by anything else
[12:28] <Arlington> i figured it out. "sudo dpkg --configure -a" made adept continue where it was when it hung up.
[12:29] <zorglu_> glad if you fixed your problem
[12:30] <bluch> !qemu
[12:30] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[12:46] <Linux_Galore> identify chatmad33
[12:47] <zorglu_> Linux_Galore: time to change your password
[12:47] <zorglu_> Linux_Galore: you can pass it automatically to avoid this kind of problem
[12:47] <zorglu_> konversation makes it easy
[12:51] <Arlington> my adept is out of order. anyone with skills?
[12:55] <zorglu_> have you tried to reboot
[12:57] <Arlington> well now it works appeard to be a broken install due to adept not being able to view license agreements.
[12:59] <joakim> hi
[12:59] <joakim> i need help
[12:59] <joakim> is  any body her
[01:00] <Arlington> i have problems with my liquidweather through superkaramba, anyone who is good at superkaramba
[01:01] <IndyBC> When Python 2.5 will be put on the official repository?
[01:01] <joakim> hhi can enybody help me whit web cam ?
[01:03] <joakim> ?
[01:04] <gnomefreak> iNiku: its in edgy but 2.4 is still default python
[01:04] <yusuf01> i have changed user(sudoer) at first login after intallation.
[01:05] <yusuf01> now i cant login
[01:05] <joakim> my web cam is lagging !!!!!!how the hell show i turn off lagging
[01:06] <zorglu_> gnomefreak: does 2.4 and 2.5 cohabite on the same box ?
[01:06] <gnomefreak> yes
[01:06] <zorglu_> ok
[01:06] <gnomefreak> zorglu_: strick that
[01:06] <gnomefreak> zorglu_: you mean both installed at same time?
[01:06] <zorglu_> cohabite = french :) yep install at the same time
[01:07] <gnomefreak> ill go with a should
[01:07] <yusuf01> i have changed user name(the sudoer), user directory name and group at first login, after intallation.i cant login now,can you help me?
[01:07] <gnomefreak> not sure i am using 2.4 for package reasons
[01:07] <zorglu_> gnomefreak: ok
[01:09] <yusuf01> i have changed user name(the sudoer), user directory name and group at first login, after intallation.i cant login now,can you help me please?
[01:09] <zorglu_> yusuf01: no need to repeat your question that frequently
[01:10] <yusuf01> ok
[01:10] <zorglu_> which howto did you follow to make this change
[01:10] <yusuf01> i have made a letter mistake creating the user name at installation
[01:11] <zorglu_> so which instruction did you follow to make this change
[01:11] <yusuf01> i have changed a letter for user name user directory and user group
[01:11] <yusuf01> no instrcuction :(
[01:12] <zorglu_> next time, try to avoid to do that. such thing may break your install if you dunno exactly what you are doing
[01:12] <zorglu_> now to undo it is painfull
[01:12] <yusuf01> isnt there any root
[01:12] <yusuf01> user?
[01:13] <zorglu_> there is a root user by default
[01:13] <zorglu_> in fact, unix require a root user
[01:13] <yusuf01> ok but how can i login that user?
[01:13] <zorglu_> type 'su -'
[01:14] <zorglu_> then the root password
[01:14] <yusuf01> when i want to login from console
[01:14] <yusuf01> i get problem with characters
[01:14] <zorglu_> if it doesnt work, boot in 'recovery mode' aka select it from grub when you reboot
[01:15] <yusuf01> i have checked that if there is a recovery mode,but i couldnt see.
[01:15] <zorglu_> 1. you reboot
[01:15] <zorglu_> 2. you read the grub menu which appears
[01:16] <yusuf01> yes
[01:16] <zorglu_> 3. find the one with 'recovery' at the end
[01:16] <zorglu_> 4. select it
[01:16] <yusuf01> but i realy couldnt see such menu
[01:16] <yusuf01> i mean
[01:16] <zorglu_> 5. you will be root without password
[01:16] <zorglu_> it is very unlikely
[01:16] <yusuf01> i have seen the menu
[01:16] <yusuf01> but
[01:16] <yusuf01> no recovery mode
[01:17] <zorglu_> it is unlikely as well :) because it is installed by default
[01:17] <yusuf01> i will chech again. and come back here
[01:17] <yusuf01> thanx
[01:17] <zorglu_> np
[01:19] <agustin> esa pea neeeeeeeeeng
[01:19] <agustin> alguien de espaa??
[01:19] <zorglu_> !es
[01:19] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:23] <Arlington> is it possible to reconfigure crystalweather through the textprompt?
[01:26] <Arlington> is it possible to reconfigure crystalweather through the textprompt?
[01:29] <bluch> !bochs
[01:29] <bluch> !bochs
[01:29] <ubotu> bochs: IA-32 PC emulator. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.2.5-1 (dapper), package size 617 kB, installed size 1972 kB
[01:34] <tonyazp> hellow
[01:36] <Arlington> anyne using superkaramba?
[01:36] <zorglu_> Arlington: you may try #kde as nobody here seems able to help on this
[01:36] <_sleon> i love ebuntu
[01:36] <_sleon> ik ebuntu
[01:37] <MenZa> ....ubuntu?
[01:37] <MenZa> edubuntu?
[01:37] <MenZa> :s
[01:38] <_sleon> MenZa:  hhrhr
[01:38] <_sleon> ebididibidumdumtu
[01:38] <MenZa> ...
[01:40] <_sleon> ebubuuuuuntu
[01:40] <_sleon> uebunnntuu
[01:41] <_sleon> are there any autoinstall mechanisms for kubuntu?
[01:42] <zorglu_> several in fact
[01:42] <zorglu_> the 'adept-updater' is one of them
[01:42] <_sleon> zorglu_:  i am searching something like install profiles
[01:43] <zorglu_> what 'install profiles' means
[01:43] <_sleon> so i can create profiles for hosts and then they boot with pxe and then install
[01:43] <_sleon> zorglu_: install profile should save hardware specific settings, package settings, and system auth settings, like ldap server address, default resolution and so on
[01:43] <zorglu_> ohhhh you mean like you got several box and would like to create a typical install for them
[01:44] <_sleon> not create
[01:44] <_sleon> install is one and same
[01:44] <_sleon> but it reads profile and does different settings
[01:44] <_sleon> do you know anaconda for red hat systems ?
[01:44] <_sleon> it can du such things
[01:44] <zorglu_> ah ok
[01:44] <zorglu_> dunno if it is possible nor how :)
[01:45] <_sleon> zorglu_: thx anyway
[01:45] <zorglu_> this channel is more of basic help on usage, not really custom install
[01:45] <_sleon> zorglu_: is there developers channel somewhere ?
[01:45] <zorglu_> hmm you may ask on #kubuntu-devel
[01:45] <_sleon> zorglu_: how long are you using kubuntu ?
[01:45] <zorglu_> they will at least point you to the proper direction
[01:46] <zorglu_> 2-3weeks
[01:46] <_sleon> zorglu_: and ? how do you like it?
[01:46] <zorglu_> as a desktop it is extremly nice
[01:46] <_sleon> is stable ?
[01:46] <zorglu_> i never used kde before so i dunno how much is due to kubuntu and due to kde
[01:46] <zorglu_> but the result is incredible
[01:46] <_sleon> are there non-free pacakge like sun java and flash player inclusive? mplayer?
[01:47] <zorglu_> yep quite stable for me
[01:47] <buz> wow strigi is getting really neat
[01:47] <buz> muuuuch faster than beagle
[01:47] <zorglu_> beagle is in .net :)
[01:47] <buz> not really
[01:47] <_sleon> beagle is gnome application :D
[01:47] <buz> mono !=.net
[01:47] <_sleon> so it is sloowww
[01:47] <_sleon> :P
[01:47] <zorglu_> _sleon: yep you can install flash and java sun
[01:47] <buz> and i dont think it's mono's fault that beagle is that slow
[01:47] <_sleon> zorglu_: is there such repository with such packatges ?
[01:48] <zorglu_> _sleon: yep universe/multiverse
[01:48] <zorglu_> !universe
[01:48] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:48] <zorglu_> !java
[01:48] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[01:48] <zorglu_> !flash
[01:48] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:48] <_sleon> thank you
[01:48] <zorglu_> np
[01:48] <_sleon> i gonna tty it then
[01:49] <zorglu_> buz: why is it slow then ?
[01:49] <buz> bad programming ;)
[01:49] <zorglu_> oh :)
[01:49] <buz> mono isnt THAT slow on its own ;)
[01:49] <buz> strigi isnt necessarily much faster
[01:49] <zorglu_> well it does pile up
[01:49] <buz> but it doesnt bog down the whole system
[01:49] <_sleon> buz default mono app uses 10 times more resources as C app
[01:49] <buz> thats true
[01:50] <_sleon> and then when you have little resources
[01:50] <_sleon> then computer begins to swap
[01:50] <_sleon> -> it becomes slow
[01:50] <buz> beagle is slow even on a 2GB ram machine ;)
[01:50] <buz> (which hasnt got swap active )
[01:50] <_sleon> then the question is: how good is io performance?
[01:50] <zorglu_> i admit i dont understand the gnome move to 'everything in mono.net'
[01:51] <buz> that's ximian for you
[01:51] <_sleon> it should be slowwer when C or similar language cause of virtualisation layer
[01:51] <_sleon> because it is more modern then C :)
[01:51] <_sleon> and C++ is already taken by kde
[01:51] <_sleon> java sux
[01:51] <_sleon> so the next choice was C#
[01:52] <zorglu_> i hope it is not that :)
[01:52] <Skrot> "taken by kde".. :p
[01:52] <_sleon> Skrot :DD
[01:52] <zorglu_> "we dont use c++ because the 'others' use it" would appears quite ridiculous :)
[01:52] <Tm_T> zorglu_: and sometimes also true
[01:52] <Skrot> Besides, C is already taken by the kernel
[01:52] <_sleon> C++ is dieing also
[01:53] <Skrot> well, no
[01:53] <Tm_T> _sleon: yup, has been dying last 10 years, as you can see
[01:53] <Skrot> C++ is still *the* choice for most apps
[01:53] <_sleon> mono would allow more advanced architecure and design, wich would eliminate code bloat
[01:53] <zorglu_> the new language, e.g. python, .net, java, are all much slower and use a lot more memory here
[01:54] <Skrot> But they work for some tasks
[01:54] <Skrot> But not all, hence C++ is not dying :)
[01:54] <_sleon> they are good for high level stuff
[01:54] <Skrot> yeah
[01:54] <Skrot> Textparsing in C++ always gives me the creeps
[01:54] <Tm_T> ASM <3
[01:54] <_sleon> C++ sux because of very long recompile time. so it is unsuitable for quick application development
[01:55] <Skrot> True, but its good because the executable will be faster and less memory hungry
[01:55] <zorglu_> who to write a c++ interpreter ? :)
[01:55] <Skrot> I've been sniffing on Python myself. Lovely language
[01:55] <Skrot> But I don't think it will kill C++ ;)
[01:55] <_sleon> Skrot: i descovered plone and zope recently, i am soooo excited
[01:55] <_sleon> Skrot: sure not :)
[01:56] <zorglu_> another advantage on the new langague is the multiplateform
[01:56] <Skrot> I must say, writing Qt/KDE applications with Python is the easiest thing I've ever done related to GUI
[01:56] <_sleon> easy == FUN :)
[01:56] <Skrot> Kudos to the guys making the bindings i guess :)
[01:56] <Skrot> Yeah. I was able to make a front-end for a online dictionary in norway in about 15minutes
[01:56] <Tm_T> Skrot: have you tried ruby?
[01:56] <Skrot> No
[01:57] <Tm_T> I heard ruby is more usable
[01:57] <Skrot> Is it really that different from python? Every 5 year a new lagnuage comes along and get a lot of hype
[01:57] <Tm_T> but, well, don't know really, haven't tried
[01:57] <zorglu_> a lot of web2.0 stuff comes with ruby
[01:57] <Skrot> I remember back in the days, Perl was the shit. Then there was python everywhere, not everyone talks about Ruby
[01:57] <Skrot> s/not/now
[01:58] <zorglu_> perl :)
[01:58] <zorglu_> so writeonly :)
[01:58] <Skrot> Perl is so unbelievable ugly
[01:59] <Skrot> (not trying to start a flamewar here..)
[01:59] <joakim> octan is he her
[01:59] <octan> i am
[01:59] <ubuntu> hi,i have a basic question to ask ,that is .when i reinstalled windows,how can i get my kubuntu start again?thanks very much
[02:00] <zorglu_> !mbr
[02:00] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:00] <zorglu_> ubuntu: the first link is for you :)
[02:00] <ubuntu> thank you
[02:00] <ubuntu> how could u be so quick to respose? :)
[02:00] <Skrot> Love the ubuntu wiki :)
[02:01] <Skrot> It has a entry for just about anything you need to know
[02:01] <zorglu_> ubuntu: i guess you are not the first to ask this question :)
[02:01] <ubuntu> i guess so ,but i 'v tried some methods ,they don't work for me :<
[02:05] <Frederick> hello, how can i check wether i have installed a certain program?
[02:05] <Frederick> i want to remove my ATi drivers, since they dont work on my install, but i dont know if i still have them installed
[02:06] <main2> dpkg -l|grep nameoftheprogram
[02:06] <main2> dpkg -l|grep ATI
[02:06] <main2> or ati
[02:07] <Skrot> or dpkg -l| grep -i ati
[02:07] <Skrot> :)
[02:07] <Frederick> ok ill try :)
[02:08] <Frederick> ah that showed up some stuff, thanks
[02:11] <main2> Frederick: use Adept
[02:11] <main2> to get rid of it
[02:12] <Frederick> ok, will try
[02:15] <MotorCityMadMan> Qt: 3.3.6
[02:15] <MotorCityMadMan> KDE: 3.5.4
[02:15] <MotorCityMadMan> kde-config: 1.0
[02:16] <Frederick> adept isnt showing my ATi drivers anywhere :\
[02:16] <Frederick> but the ATI control program is still there
[02:16] <themadscotsman> upgraded to edgy....can you turn back to dapper or will re-install be in order
[02:16] <Arlington> i have a konversation related problem.
[02:16] <Skrot> Frederick: Search for fglrx insted of ATI
[02:17] <Arlington> trying to make it autoidentify me for the nickserver
[02:17] <Frederick> yah, tried that, im removing xorg-driver-fglrx now
[02:17] <Arlington> but keep getting wron password
[02:17] <Arlington> eventhough it is the right pass
[02:18] <Frederick> anyone know where to get a good tutorial on how to install ATi drivers?
[02:18] <zorglu_> !ati
[02:18] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:19] <Frederick> thanks zorglu_ :)
[02:20] <_sleon> !atisux
[02:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about atisux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:20] <_sleon> ubotu: woooot!
[02:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about woooot! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:30] <Komodo> hello. I have a problem with Kopete (from the latest Edgy Eft Beta)
[02:30] <_sleon> Komodo: what kind of problem?
[02:30] <_sleon> Komodo: is it crashing?
[02:31] <Komodo> it doesn't show all my friends from the Yahoo list
[02:31] <_sleon> maybe they are not online?
[02:31] <Komodo> yes they are
[02:31] <tk> maybe they haev you set as  "invis to user" ?
[02:32] <Komodo> nope
[02:32] <_sleon> set show offline users to on
[02:32] <Komodo> if a fiend loggs in afthe me
[02:32] <Komodo> they show up
[02:33] <Komodo> _selon > done that
[02:33] <Komodo> most of them appear offline
[02:33] <_sleon> Komodo: then it is a bug in kopete, ask in #kopete
[02:33] <Komodo> ok. didn't knew there is a channel #kopete
[02:33] <Komodo> thanx
[02:35] <Arlington> anyone that know superkaramba?
[02:36] <Skrot> Arlington: Know what about it?
[02:36] <Skrot> i know i hate the way you design gui with it :p
[02:36] <tk> aahhh yes, Amarok 1.4.3+ mysql running again
[02:37] <Arlington> i'am having problem with liquidweather.
[02:39] <Skrot> Arlington: I can't answer to privmsg as it's not allowed on freenode unless i'm logged in
[02:40] <Arlington> oooh. well i reconfigured a applet for superkaramba and now the applet wo't load is ther a way to manually edit the configuration fr the aplet?
[02:41] <Frederick> !ati
[02:41] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:42] <Skrot> Arlington: Dunno. it's probably in /usr/share/superkaramba or ~/.kde/share/apps/superkaramba somewhere
[02:43] <Frederick> how can i get 32 bits color depth again? i installed my ATi drivers and now i only got 24 bits color depth, can i just edit the xorg.conf and replace 24 with 32?
[02:44] <Arlington> 24bit is same as 32bit dept...
[02:44] <Arlington> the last 8 bit are just alpha channels.
[02:44] <Frederick> O_o" ok
[02:44] <Skrot> Frederick: Replace the "DefaultDepth 24" with "DefaultDepth 32"
[02:45] <Frederick> ok, and then reboot?
[02:45] <Skrot> in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:45] <Skrot> then restart X server
[02:45] <Frederick> ok
[02:45] <Frederick> but there are subsections, with resolutions aswell
[02:45] <Frederick> there is none with 32 bits depth
[02:45] <Frederick> just add another subsection?
[02:46] <Skrot> Jupp. Just copy the one for 24, but replace with 32
[02:46] <Frederick> ok will do :)
[02:46] <Skrot> Don't think you'll notice any difference between 24 and 32 though
[02:46] <ubuntu> hi,i 'v followed the instructions of reconfiguring grub,now i could log in ubuntu,but i have no access to windows now!any one chould help?
[02:46] <siloe> Hello, people language portuguese here
[02:46] <Dink> !pr
[02:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:47] <Dink> !br
[02:47] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[02:47] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Success!
[02:47] <siloe> join #ubuntu-br
[02:47] <siloe> join /#ubuntu-br
[02:48] <siloe> remenber please!
 Don't think you'll notice any difference between 24 and 32 though << Ok, but after i installed my ATi drivers, the details of the icons etcetera seems to have detoriated, the colors have somewhat flattened or so it looks at least, just giving it a try now
[02:54] <Frederick> well, my x server didnt want to start up anymore after i added those rules... i guess i can just leave it
[02:54] <Frederick> !xgl
[02:54] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:59] <jtholmes> cpk2  did you get your mount problem fixed
[03:05] <Frederick> !ati
[03:05] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:10] <BluesKaj> Howdy Kubunturians! :)
[03:10] <Dink> Is it possible to install kubuntu on a second partition move over you ~ dir from one partition to the new one and remove old installation/partition and keep new one ?
[03:11] <BluesKaj> yes
[03:12] <BluesKaj> Dink, use GParted live cd vers 3 , it'll do the job for you
[03:12] <Dink> cool thanks... i have 2.6.18 did a dist-upgrade for beryl then fglrx wouldnt work for the life of me.. and now jsut found out beryl is in dapper also
[03:12] <Dink> GParted ?
[03:12] <BluesKaj> yes
[03:13] <Dink> works with kubuntu ?
[03:13] <BluesKaj> works as a  boot live cd
[03:14] <BluesKaj> with windows , linux , most partitions can be modified
[03:14] <MDCore> beryl in dapper ?
[03:14] <Dink> yep
[03:14] <tk> Dink: if your /home dir is on a seperate partition, you can just reinstall and tell it not to format the /home partition...
[03:15] <BluesKaj> it's a linux program but works on NTFS , Ext and other partittion types
[03:15] <Dink> how do I do that ?
[03:15] <Dink> to jus tnot format /home ?
[03:15] <tk> when you installed Kubuntu, did you make a seperate partiion for /home and / ?
[03:15] <Dink> hmm dont think so
[03:15] <tk> "df" in konsole will show you if you did
[03:15] <Dink> i should have though :(
[03:16] <Dink> yep i didnt
[03:16] <MDCore> Dink: recently ?
[03:16] <Dink> recently ??
[03:16] <Manyfold_> were can i find information about the kubuntu start up process especially installing system services and xstartup
[03:16] <Dink> ok so I guess I have to put it in a new partition then move ~ over and destroy old one
[03:17] <Dink> no idea why fglrx is not working... mesa keeps coming up... xorg.log keeps saying wrong version
[03:17] <tk> dink: a learning experience :) /home is good to keep separate :)
[03:17] <benjamin> Hey guys, do you know how i can Konnect my PPC? (yeah, running Windo$, since i cant install a proper OS on it :( )
[03:17] <Manyfold_> i want to modify my system such that it does not start X but starts the tightvncserver
[03:17] <Dink> yep :P
[03:18] <Dink> what 6.10 beta ?
[03:18] <Dink> ahh
[03:18] <Dink> edgy went beta
[03:19] <Dink> hmm do i want to deal with that again.....
[03:19] <MDCore> Dink: I was trying to setup compiz earlier in the week and at that stage there didn't seem to be any beryl packages...
[03:20] <Dink> there is now
[03:20] <Dink> #ubuntu-xgl
[03:20] <Dink> i went to edgy to get it working... but mesa kept messing me up :P
[03:20] <Dink> not sure what happened
[03:20] <Dink> i tried everything and still couldnt get fglrx to work
[03:21] <Dink> even though it was working prior to dist-upgrade
[03:21] <Dink> even went back to previous kernels to try and same outcome
[03:21] <BluesKaj> did ya check yer driver list in systems settings , Dink?
[03:22] <Dink> card = ati driver = fglrx
[03:22] <Dink> fglrxinfo shows mesa though
[03:28] <dhq> hey
[03:28] <dhq> all
[03:29] <LjL> can anybody confirm that in kopete/jabber, right clicking a contact, selecting the last menu option (i.e. the contact address), then "Set availability" and then "Invisible" makes yourself invisible to that contact? or if not, what's the way to do this?
[03:30] <dhq> i use  Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[03:30] <dhq> i need drivers
[03:30] <dhq> for it my grafix is not so good
[03:31] <dhq> !i810
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i810 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <dhq> !drivers
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drivers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <dhq> !driver
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about driver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:36] <Arlington> trying to get www.pandora.com to work on my 64-bit amd anyonne can help me? flash is just written for 32bit systems it seems.
[03:39] <MDCore> dhq: what do you mean by your graphics not being so good ?
[03:39] <MDCore> anyone: ruby + aiglx.. does it work ?
[03:40] <dhq> MDCore: well any 3d photo doesnt show well and movies dont play well
[03:41] <MDCore> ook.
[03:41] <MDCore> dhq: I found that perceived speed improved when I installed the aiglx air X thingy
[03:41] <dhq> !aiglx air X
[03:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aiglx air X - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:42] <dhq> MDCore: the pakage name if you please
[03:42] <MDCore> dhq: you have to add some repositories and things.
[03:42] <MDCore> follow the instructions for setting up aiglx + compiz on the wiki..
[03:44] <dhq> !compiz
[03:44] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[03:48] <scorp007> hi, im having a problem getting ati drivers to work
[03:49] <scorp007> i tried installing them using this method: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide#Installing_the_driver
[03:49] <scorp007> now the problem is, the output from fglrxinfo tells me im using Mesa, not hardware acceleration
[03:50] <Arlington> i wanna copy files to /usr/lib/firefox/plugin but it's read-only how could i do that?
[03:52] <Arlington> i wanna copy files to /usr/lib/firefox/plugin but it's read-only how could i do that?
[03:52] <main2> use 'sudo'
[03:52] <main2> you need to have the right privileges
[03:52] <Kubu> how do I add Startup Programs??
[03:52] <main2> Arlington: please so not repeat
[03:53] <Kubu> anyone knows how do add Startup Programs?
[03:53] <Arlington> sorry,
[03:53] <Arlington> yes  sudo but how...
[03:54] <scorp007> this is some stuff from my xorg.0.log
[03:54] <scorp007> http://rafb.net/paste/results/ULLVxJ42.html
[03:54] <Kubu> please help me to add a program to the startup
[03:54] <scorp007> does it indicate anything wrong?
[03:55] <scorp007> im trying to get my ati drivers to do 3d acceleration
[03:55] <Arlington> main2: how do i use sudo to remove the readonly.
[03:55] <thompa> can someone tell me how to install with a /boot partition? i am getting grub error 18 on sata
[03:55] <scorp007> it still says im using mesa
[03:55] <main2> Arlington: google ffs
[03:55] <Kubu> scorp007: i did it by installing de fglrx drivers
[03:56] <Kubu> anyone knows how do add Startup Programs?
[03:56] <scorp007> im pretty sure i have them installed
[03:56] <scorp007> yep, i do
[03:56] <scorp007> (have them installed that is)
[03:56] <thompa> going to ask at grub irc
[03:56] <scorp007> i think its having a problem loading them or something
[04:04] <BluesKaj> splittsville ...all these joins ?
[04:05] <Arlington> flash 7 for amd64 help needed.
[04:06] <BluesKaj> flash sucks on kubuntu ...only works half the time ...the version8 isn't available for linux
[04:07] <Arlington> do you know about pandora.com?
[04:10] <BluesKaj> checking it out ...seems to work ok , Arlington
[04:11] <DeeTahPanLtah> guys
[04:11] <DeeTahPanLtah> i got used to debian's kde
[04:11] <DeeTahPanLtah> "settings panel"
[04:11] <marseillai> does anyone know how to accept sun-java5 licence?
[04:11] <DeeTahPanLtah> is there such thing in kubuntu?
[04:11] <DeeTahPanLtah> i mean,i can't find themes section in kubuntu's kde...
[04:12] <Jucato> DeeTahPanLtah: Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol" ?
[04:12] <DeeTahPanLtah> what do alt+f2 do?
[04:12] <Jucato> marseillai: don't use Adept when installing sun-java5-*
[04:12] <Jucato> DeeTahPanLtah: keyboard shortcut for "Run Command"
[04:12] <marseillai> Jucato: even in yakuake i can't
[04:12] <DeeTahPanLtah> so i got it under win+r ;p
[04:12] <DeeTahPanLtah> OMFG
[04:12] <DeeTahPanLtah> thanks a lot!
[04:12] <DeeTahPanLtah> you're G-O-D.
[04:12] <Jucato> O_O
[04:12] <DeeTahPanLtah> huge thanks
[04:13] <Jucato> was kcontrol what you were looking for?
[04:13] <DeeTahPanLtah> indeed
[04:13] <Jucato> marseillai: tried Konsole?
[04:13] <Jucato> DeeTahPanLtah: ah
[04:13] <marseillai> Jucato: it works in konsole! ;)
[04:14] <marseillai> thanks
[04:14] <Arlington> how to get my usb wifi to work in kubuntu?
[04:15] <DeeTahPanLtah> btw,is there any firefox2 dpkg in ubuntu's repos?
[04:15] <Arlington> s
[04:15] <Jucato> DeeTahPanLtah: not in Dapper, since it's not a stable release yet
[04:15] <BluesKaj> not yet  DeeTahPanLtah
[04:16] <DeeTahPanLtah> Jucato: not in dapper,okay,what about unstable repos?
[04:16] <BluesKaj> FF2 won't be available for a few weeks
[04:16] <Jucato> DeeTahPanLtah: you'd have to install/upgrade to Edgy (next release, in development)
[04:17] <DeeTahPanLtah> is it safe?
[04:17] <Jucato> but Edgy will hopefully be released in a few weeks, so it might be better to just wait
[04:17] <DeeTahPanLtah> i mean
[04:17] <DeeTahPanLtah> i had few problems while switching from sarge to etch when i was debian user
[04:17] <Jucato> DeeTahPanLtah: well, I'd suggest just waiting for Edgy's official release in a few weeks if you can
[04:18] <DeeTahPanLtah> i can but i prefer experimental software ;d
[04:18] <Jucato> heh, well, since Edgy is in Beta now, it "might" be ok. You'd still probably have a few updates daily
[04:19] <DeeTahPanLtah> ;p
[04:19] <DeeTahPanLtah> i dont really care :p
[04:21] <Jucato> DeeTahPanLtah: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Beta/Kubuntu
[04:21] <DeeTahPanLtah> what's there? ;p
[04:21] <Jucato> about Edgy Eft beta release
[04:23] <DeeTahPanLtah> btw
[04:24] <DeeTahPanLtah> anyone knows if its a lot of work to make kde look really impressive?
[04:25] <_ShoGo_> Hi, can anybody tell me how can i configure my dns ?
[04:25] <CVirus> _ShoGo_: vi /etc/resolv.conf
[04:25] <_ShoGo_> thx
[04:25] <DeeTahPanLtah> vi is evil ;d
[04:25] <DeeTahPanLtah> vim ftw ;d
[04:25] <Jucato> hm...
[04:26] <Jucato> forgot "sudo"  there?
[04:26] <_ShoGo_> CVirus, i just have to add the dns?
[04:27] <scorp007> hi, im using dapper at the moment, is it ok if i downgrade my xorg from 7 to 6.8.x?
[04:27] <scorp007> it seems my video card drivers dont like 7
[04:27] <CVirus> _ShoGo_: yes
[04:27] <scorp007> (II) fglrx(0): driver needs X.org 6.8.x.y with x.y >= 99.8
[04:27] <scorp007> (II) fglrx(0): detected X.org 7.0.0.0
[04:27] <scorp007> thats from my Xorg.0.og
[04:27] <scorp007> log*
[04:27] <_ShoGo_> nameserver 192.168.1.1
[04:27] <_ShoGo_> 87.216.1.65
[04:27] <_ShoGo_> 87.216.1.66
[04:27] <_ShoGo_> as this?
[04:29] <ubuntu__> good evening
[04:30] <emonkey-u> good evening again
[04:30] <emonkey-u> I've got a serious problem with my filesystem
[04:31] <emonkey-u> my kubuntu doesn't start anymore
[04:31] <emonkey-u> I'm now on Live CD
[04:32] <DeeTahPanLtah> errr
[04:32] <emonkey-u> mounting the /dev/hda (my root partition) on live CD doesnt' work neither
[04:32] <DeeTahPanLtah> anyone has ideas
[04:32] <DeeTahPanLtah> why even when i installed lipstik
[04:32] <DeeTahPanLtah> it isn't on my styles list? ;X
[04:32] <emonkey-u> anyone how I can fix my ext3?
[04:33] <DeeTahPanLtah> fsck /dev/hda
[04:33] <DeeTahPanLtah> try this one
[04:33] <Jucato> DeeTahPanLtah: lipstik is already installed by default, afaik. it's the default style that Kubuntu uses
[04:33] <DeeTahPanLtah> well
[04:33] <DeeTahPanLtah> the problem is
[04:33] <emonkey-u> DeeTahPanLtah: I?ll try thx
[04:33] <DeeTahPanLtah> i downloaded lipstik sources
[04:33] <DeeTahPanLtah> and tried to mod it
[04:33] <DeeTahPanLtah> to compile visteque
[04:33] <DeeTahPanLtah> it went all right
[04:34] <BluesKaj> do have a boot screen, emonkey-u ?
[04:34] <DeeTahPanLtah> but i dunno how to activate it now :X
[04:34] <Jucato> DeeTahPanLtah: well, I'm not sure what happened since there's a version of lipstik already installed...
[04:34] <DeeTahPanLtah> okay
[04:34] <emonkey-u> BluesKaj: till to moment where it wants to mount the root file system yes....
[04:34] <DeeTahPanLtah> and how to activate it then? ;P
[04:35] <emonkey-u> fsck has found several illegal blocks
[04:35] <Jucato> DeeTahPanLtah: it's supposed to be in KControl > Appearance and Themes > Styles right?
[04:35] <DeeTahPanLtah> there is no lipstik ;<
[04:35] <Jucato> hm.. something might have gone wrong then...
[04:35] <DeeTahPanLtah> i'll try one thing else
[04:36] <LjL> can anybody confirm that in kopete/jabber, right clicking a contact, selecting the last menu option (i.e. the contact address), then "Set availability" and then "Invisible" makes yourself invisible to that contact? or if not, what's the way to do this?
[04:37] <BluesKaj> eeeuuww , not good emonkey-u...rescue option in the boot list ?
[04:38] <emonkey-u> I'll try to fix it woth fsck right?
[04:38] <emonkey-u> "with
[04:39] <DeeTahPanLtah> funny thing
[04:39] <DeeTahPanLtah> i logged in to kde as root
[04:39] <DeeTahPanLtah> and there was lipstik activated
[04:39] <DeeTahPanLtah> but 1. it didnt look like visteque
[04:39] <DeeTahPanLtah> 2. if i'd change the style,there'd be no way to activate lipstik again cause _its not on the list_...
[04:46] <TFrog> may i ask if anyone here is having issues with Edgy Eft wireless configured with ndiswrapper?
[04:47] <trappist> TFrog: no, but I got your bug report
[04:47] <TFrog> didn't know it went to you trappist. appreciate knowing someone knows about it already
[04:48] <trappist> TFrog: it goes to anyone subscribed to knetworkmanager bugs, or to the kubuntu-bugs mailing list, and so on
[04:48] <trappist> I won't be the guy to fix it, though
[04:48] <TFrog> ahhhhhhhhhh. i'm still relatively new to kubuntu. i use to use Fedora. love kubuntu much more
[04:49] <TFrog> unfortunately right now i'm wireless in winbloze :(
[04:55] <chains> im having a problem with my sound. not matter what sound format i try and use, even the sound my programs make, i get this really scratchy (staticy) sound. What could be the possible problems and/or solutions?
[04:57] <Blacken> Morning all.
[04:57] <TFrog> morning Blacken
[04:59] <chains> guten morgen
[04:59] <Arlington> hi abattoir...
[04:59] <chains> so, does any one know about my sound problem?
[05:03] <bonjour> #sex
[05:03] <LjL> bonjour: ?
[05:07] <josh_> question for anyone pretty familiar with security and ssh
[05:08] <josh_> is there a way to set the number of tries for ssh before an ip gets timeed out / blocked?
[05:08] <josh_> or do i have to script one?
[05:10] <Hawkwind> Wow, he could have waited another couple of minutes and I would have helped him :(
[05:10] <LjL> he's asked in #Ubuntu now...
[05:10] <LjL> though myself, i haven't the slightest idea :)
[05:11] <Hawkwind> LjL: Tell him to edit his /etc/ssh/sshd_config file
[05:12] <LjL> k
[05:12] <morodito> tio keva
[05:13] <morodito> olaaa??
[05:13] <morodito> alguien ke able espaol??
[05:13] <Jucato> !es
[05:13] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:13] <morodito> thanks
[05:14] <ZeeO> Hi when i play SVCD the playback is slow under video lan
[05:14] <ZeeO> what can this be
[05:15] <ZeeO> avis play fine
[05:15] <ZeeO> the audio skips
[05:18] <fl1> from cmdline how can y found out my display number?
[05:19] <Riddell> echo $DISPLAY
[05:20] <fl1> thx
[05:28] <Hobbsee> !info python2.4
[05:28] <ubotu> python2.4: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.4). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.3-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 2673 kB, installed size 9068 kB
[05:30] <Arlington> how can i make my wifi usb stick become recognized by kubuntu?
[05:39] <Petterderhaag> can anyone help me?
[05:39] <drago> i need help with kubuntu installation
[05:39] <buz> hard without knowing what the issue is
[05:39] <Petterderhaag> i'm trying to acces my defective windows harddrive from kubuntu
[05:39] <Petterderhaag> but i don't know anything about linux...
[05:40] <buz> mhh
[05:40] <buz> does it show up in storage media?
[05:40] <Petterderhaag> yes, but i shows an error
[05:40] <Petterderhaag> one sec
[05:41] <Petterderhaag> i'll tell you what error, little easier...
[05:41] <drago> is there a possibility to install kubuntu if the cd-drive is not working?
[05:41] <buz> drago: that depends
[05:41] <drago> how?
[05:41] <buz> if you're enterprising, you can install it over the network
[05:42] <drago> what do u mean, enterprising?
[05:42] <buz> well it needs some fiddling
[05:42] <Blacken> drago: It isn't exactly easy for a newbie to do.
[05:42] <buz> it's definitely possible (i did it on my cd less notebook)
[05:42] <drago> okey
[05:42] <buz> but you need another machine
[05:42] <drago> yes
[05:42] <Arlington> how can i get flash in kubuntu amd64 release?
[05:42] <drago> im also planing on doing it to my laptop
[05:42] <Blacken> Arlington: I don't believe you can.
[05:42] <drago> and the cd-drive is not working
[05:42] <buz> google for network install
[05:43] <drago> okey ill try that thanks
[05:43] <buz> might be that you need to install ubuntu first (i didnt have much look with kubuntu)
[05:43] <buz> but its easily switched to kubuntu later
[05:43] <drago> okey
[05:43] <drago> i found something on dslreports now so...
[05:43] <buz> there supposedly is a way of doing it from windows in qemu
[05:44] <Petterderhaag> Buz: I get an error that the device couldn't be mounted, "mount: can't find /dev/hda5 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[05:44] <buz> but i never quite got that working
[05:44] <buz> thats weird
[05:44] <buz> storage media should fix that on its own
[05:44] <Petterderhaag> well, the disk is defected... :p
[05:45] <Petterderhaag> nah, sorry, i'm trying to mount it, but it's asking me if the disk is properly connected
[05:45] <Petterderhaag> since it is a laptop, i assume it is...
[05:45] <buz> yeah but maybe its really broken
[05:45] <buz> sometimes disk do show up and you still cant mount them
[05:45] <Petterderhaag> that would be quite sad :(
[05:46] <Petterderhaag> some 2 gigs of photo's on it...
[05:46] <buz> how big is the disk
[05:46] <Petterderhaag> 16 gigs i believe
[05:46] <Blacken> So does anyone have any idea how to change ONE panel, and not all, to transparent in KDE?
[05:46] <Petterderhaag> when i right click the disk, it shows "mount" two times, why's that?
[05:47] <buz> you did boot from the kubuntu livecd yes?
[05:47] <Petterderhaag> yes
[05:47] <altair> hello everyone, is gtalk  working with kopete today?, i can't get connected to talk.gmail.com
[05:47] <buz> is it a ntfs disk?
[05:48] <drago> yeap i found it now, Breezy netboot kit. thanks guys!
[05:48] <Petterderhaag> believe so
[05:48] <buz> drago: look if you can find it for dapper
[05:48] <Petterderhaag> don't know for sure actually
[05:48] <buz> the update takes a while
[05:49] <Petterderhaag> it's quite old for a laptop, but it had windows xp sp2, but that doesn't change for FAT or NTFS
[05:49] <buz> well mounting the drive changes with FAT or NTFS
[05:49] <Petterderhaag> can i see that kind of info in kubuntu? or does it need to be mounted for that
[05:49] <buz> heres what you can try
[05:49] <buz> start the konsole
[05:50] <Petterderhaag> "run command"?
[05:50] <buz> type mount -t vfat /dev/hda5  /mnt
[05:50] <buz> run command -> "konsole"
[05:50] <buz> then, in konsole "sudo -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt"
[05:50] <Petterderhaag> i believe the primary disk is hda1, clicked the wrong one first, but keep getting the same error...
[05:51] <buz> damn what is it
[05:51] <altair> does anyone use gtalk  with kopete?
[05:51] <buz> i never get the command right
[05:51] <Petterderhaag> ?
[05:51] <Petterderhaag> ?
[05:51] <buz> did the console open?
[05:51] <Petterderhaag> yes it dit
[05:51] <Petterderhaag> *did
[05:51] <Petterderhaag> says something like ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo
[05:52] <buz> ok i try it another time, try typing "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt"
[05:52] <buz> that works with FAT
[05:52] <buz> or sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda/mnt for ntfs
[05:52] <buz> obviously with a space after dev/hda
[05:53] <Petterderhaag> yeah, got that one :p
[05:53] <buz> and the proper number
[05:53] <Petterderhaag> "..hda1 /mnt" with space?
[05:54] <buz> just like the one with vfat, yes
[05:54] <Petterderhaag> ok
[05:54] <Petterderhaag> "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1 missing codepage or other error
[05:54] <Petterderhaag> i'll try ntfs
[05:55] <cox377> I've got a digital camara plugged into kubuntu, how would i go about formatting the chip?
[05:55] <TheBearded1__> is this the right channel to get help on the latest edgy eft beta?
[05:55] <abhishek> Hello
[05:55] <fdoving> TheBearded1__: try.
[05:55] <abhishek> I am new to this..... how can i join different channels?
[05:56] <LjL> abhishek: "/join #channelname"
[05:56] <steveire> hmmm, so irc.ubuntu.com is an alias for irc.freenode.net now?
[05:56] <TheBearded1__> i have an intel 3945 ABG wireless card, i've installed the latest kubuntu beta
[05:56] <LjL> abhishek: or File / Join channel, if you're on Konversation
[05:56] <TheBearded1__> and i updated/upgraded
[05:56] <abhishek> @LjL  ty, but how do i get the channel list??
[05:56] <TheBearded1__> and ipw3945 module has been loaded
[05:57] <altair> !gtalk
[05:57] <ubotu> gtalk: plug-in replacement for standard talk. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.10-10 (dapper), package size 133 kB, installed size 360 kB
[05:57] <abhishek> yup..i am on Konversation...
[05:57] <TheBearded1__> but ipw3945d is not, and i can't find it on the system, and i did aptitude search and i don't see a package for it
[05:57] <TheBearded1__> but....it was working on the livecd
[05:57] <LjL> abhishek: you don't. in theory there is the "/list" command, but it'll probably flood you off the server, since you'll get a terribly long list...
[05:57] <Petterderhaag> Buz: with ntfs it does nothing, i get another command line ubuntu@...
[05:57] <buz> type mount
[05:58] <LjL> abhishek: try it. at worst, you'll be disconnected and will have to connect again
[05:58] <buz> (mounting devices usually gives no output)
[05:58] <Petterderhaag> ah, :) so now i try opening it?
[05:58] <abhishek> i'll give it a try....it's givin me a warnin..
[05:58] <abhishek> Using this function may result in a lot of network traffic. If your connection is not fast enough, it is possible that your client will be disconnected by the server.
[05:58] <buz> yeah it should not live in /mnt
[05:58] <buz> now
[05:58] <slow-motion> hi
[05:58] <LjL> abhishek: yeah, Konversation gives wise advice ;)
[05:59] <Petterderhaag> ?
[05:59] <buz> open konqueror and try going to /mnt
[05:59] <lupine_85> TheBearded1__: is it in l-r-m ?
[05:59] <TheBearded1__> l-r-m?
[05:59] <lupine_85> failing that, go to packages.ubuntu.com and search for the file name
[06:00] <lupine_85> linux-restricted-modules package
[06:00] <Petterderhaag> not "media:/"?
[06:00] <buz> no
[06:00] <buz> media is automatical things that dont always work
[06:00] <Petterderhaag> i don't have acces rights:s
[06:00] <TheBearded1__> well i have the kernel modules, and it shows up in lsmod, and in dmesg i have: [17179585.524000]  ipw3945: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
[06:00] <TheBearded1__> but
[06:00] <buz> oh right
[06:00] <TheBearded1__> root@dell:/# iwconfig
[06:01] <buz> go to run command and type "kdesu konqueror" (that should give you a root konqueror)
[06:01] <lupine_85> ipw3945d is different to that, and it is kernel version specific
[06:01] <TheBearded1__> lo        no wireless extensions.
[06:01] <TheBearded1__> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[06:01] <TheBearded1__> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[06:01] <abhishek> heyy...it opened a channel search tab
[06:01] <buz> oh and DON'T modify files on an NTFS partition
[06:01] <buz> thats dangerous
[06:01] <lupine_85> not much point listing them - and you should "pastebin" anyway
[06:01] <abhishek>  now i can search the channels... thats kinda cool!
[06:01] <lupine_85> install linux-restricted-modules and try again. the kernel module won't do anything without the daemon (regulatory issues)
[06:02] <LjL> abhishek: yeah, if you have a search term, the /list output becomes manageable
[06:02] <TheBearded1__> so the restricted modules might include the daemon as well?
[06:02] <Petterderhaag> yes  :D
[06:02] <Petterderhaag> it's working! :D
[06:02] <Petterderhaag> now the next question
[06:03] <Petterderhaag> can i burn those pictures?
[06:03] <lupine_85> TheBearded1__: probably
[06:03] <tackat>  The first development version of Marble is up for testing: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2412
[06:03] <TheBearded1__> i've seen reports that this card works out of the box on dapper
[06:03] <tackat> feedback appreciated :)
[06:03] <TheBearded1__> why not on edgy than?
[06:03] <lupine_85> if not, just search for it in packages.ubuntu.com
[06:03] <lupine_85> ...because you don't have l-r-m installed?
[06:03] <lupine_85> Most people do
[06:03] <buz> Petterderhaag: not really, because you cant remove the cd i believe
[06:04] <Petterderhaag> yeah, that's true, crap
[06:04] <lupine_85> And i've helped one person get this card working in edgy and dapper - it was loaded automagically
[06:04] <TheBearded1__> but why not install that package by default in edgy, yet do so in dapper
[06:04] <buz> upload them somewhere
[06:04] <Petterderhaag> i can acces internet?
[06:04] <lupine_85> It isn't installed by default
[06:04] <lupine_85> !info linux-restricted-modules dapper
[06:04] <ubotu> Package linux-restricted-modules does not exist in dapper
[06:04] <buz> ah you arent on that machine?
[06:04] <Petterderhaag> i have an external HDD in the hallway... :p
[06:04] <buz> yeah that one should work
[06:04] <lupine_85> !info linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-27-386 dapper
[06:04] <ubotu> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-27-386: Non-free Linux 2.6.15 modules on 386. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.15.11-5 (dapper), package size 7946 kB, installed size 21580 kB
[06:04] <buz> unless its ntfs
[06:04] <Petterderhaag> well, luckily we have different laptops here
[06:04] <lupine_85> "non-free", "optional". Both of those mean it'll never be installed by defaulty
[06:05] <Petterderhaag> now IRC'ing on this one, and trying to make the HD work on the other...
[06:05] <Petterderhaag> i'll plug in an ethernet cable
[06:05] <Petterderhaag> one sec
[06:05] <LjL> abhishek: a word of advice -- i know you're just experimenting with IRC, but some people may get wary if you VERSION them without asking
[06:05] <lupine_85>  /version me ;)
[06:05] <TheBearded1__> there should be a dialog in the installer "blah blah blah this might be illegal in your country do so anyway?"
[06:05] <TheBearded1__> to enable all the restricted packages during install
[06:06] <LjL> lupine_85: ;-)
[06:06] <lupine_85> TheBearded1__: if you want that, then go to Gentoo
[06:06] <TheBearded1__> i want that in binary packages
[06:06] <lupine_85> The ubuntu people happen to have $10 million that any number of companies would love to sue it for
[06:06] <lupine_85> or you could fork, I suppose.. have SueBuntu
[06:06] <LjL> mouarf
[06:06] <lupine_85> until then, installing one package isn't exactly difficult
[06:07] <Petterderhaag> buz, how do i know my internet connection is working?
[06:07] <abhishek>  this is funnn!!
[06:07] <LjL> Petterderhaag, since you're on iRC? :-P
[06:07] <Petterderhaag> other laptop LjL, but thanks anyway ;)
[06:07] <LjL> Petterderhaag: well try "ping www.google.com" perhaps
[06:07] <TheBearded1__> if it's legal to distribute it on the livecd, surely it can be included in the default install
[06:08] <TheBearded1__> that's all i'm saying
[06:08] <Petterderhaag> tried that one, it said, unknown address :p
[06:08] <TheBearded1__> ya know, one way or the other, the livecd is touted as "if it works in the livecd it will work in the install"
[06:08] <TheBearded1__> and yet
[06:08] <ge2x> hey ive got a problem - when i enable nvidia drivers with nvidia-glx-config enable and when i restart the x server it doesnt start - it just displays the kubuntu logo on the screen
[06:08] <ge2x> plz help me som1
[06:08] <lupine_85> suit yourself, I guess. Feel free to read the open source definition and the DFSG some time.
[06:08] <TheBearded1__> it's not true, because you say for legal issues it's not in the install, yet those same legal issues don't stop it from being in the livecd?
[06:08] <octan> Petterderhaag ping
[06:09] <LjL> Petterderhaag: try ping 66.102.7.104
[06:09] <octan> 72.14.207.99
[06:09] <octan> hehe
[06:09] <octan> google :P
[06:09] <ge2x> hey ive got a problem - when i enable nvidia drivers with nvidia-glx-config enable and when i restart the x server it doesnt start - it just displays the kubuntu logo on the screen
[06:09] <ge2x> can som1 help me
[06:09] <LjL> yeah, mine's google too ;-) but it resolves differently in different countries
[06:09] <Petterderhaag> octan, wtf are you doing?
[06:10] <octan> if you can ping google and get a responce you know your internet works
[06:10] <lupine_85> IANAL
[06:10] <lupine_85> and IDC
[06:10] <Petterderhaag> and what is the "ping" command anyway, i don't know shit about IRC nor linux... (a) :)
[06:10] <LjL> Petterderhaag? i think he was just telling you to try pinging that address - same as i did
[06:10] <Petterderhaag> yes, but this is another computer
[06:10] <Petterderhaag> so here internet is working, that i know :P but on the other one, not yet
[06:10] <LjL> Petterderhaag: "ping" is a command that sends a special internet packet to another computer, and the other computer is supposed to reply back with a similar packet
[06:11] <LjL> Petterderhaag: that's the standard way to test if a site is up -- or a reasonable way to check if you have internet connection
[06:11] <Petterderhaag> ok, i know ping like the reactiontime of the other server
[06:11] <LjL> Petterderhaag: the fact that "www.google.com" doesn't reply to pings might simply mean you have your DNS set up incorrectly (DNS being Domain Name Server, i.e. the things that translates "www.google.com" into its numeric address)
[06:12] <LjL> Petterderhaag: i don't know what you have on the other computer, but if you have even a tiny installation of any Unix (Ubuntu, whatever), "ping" should be there
[06:12] <Petterderhaag> my router normally does DNS automatically
[06:12] <TheBearded1__> running the command 'dig' is a good way to troubleshoot dns
[06:12] <TheBearded1__> just run it by itself
[06:12] <TheBearded1__> if it hangs
[06:12] <TheBearded1__> your dns server is unreachable
[06:12] <LjL> Petterderhaag: ok, but you still have to tell your system that your router is doing DNS at any rate (though that might be done automatically via the DHCP protocol)
[06:12] <TheBearded1__> if you get a huge printout, dns is working
[06:12] <Petterderhaag> in the console "the bearded"?
[06:12] <TheBearded1__> yes
[06:14] <Petterderhaag> anyway, it's working :p
[06:15] <TheBearded1__> off for a reboot
[06:16] <sdlnxgk> anyone around this morning???
[06:16] <octan> its not morning here :P
[06:16] <sdlnxgk> ahhhhh
[06:16] <octan> 6 pm :P
[06:17] <sdlnxgk> octan you know how to get the bottom panel back after crashing??
[06:17] <octan> alt f2
[06:17] <octan> run kicker
[06:17] <sdlnxgk> 9:20am  here in southern cali
[06:17] <fdoving> sdlnxgk: first, try alt+f2 'dcop kicker kicker restart'
[06:18] <Petterderhaag> i have another question
[06:18] <fdoving> sdlnxgk: if it doesn't work, do as octan says. run 'kicker' instead.
[06:18] <sdlnxgk> thanks fdoving was about to say still crashing
[06:18] <Petterderhaag> how can i access my HDD from kubuntu?
[06:18] <fdoving> Petterderhaag: like a windows disk? or?
[06:18] <fdoving> !mount
[06:18] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[06:18] <octan> Petterderhaag, yes you can
[06:18] <Petterderhaag> sorry, an external hard drive
[06:18] <octan> yes
[06:19] <fdoving> Petterderhaag: plug it in. should get instant access.
[06:19] <Petterderhaag> how?, it's connected through our network...
[06:19] <sdlnxgk> external hard drive like usb mass storage device?
[06:19] <Dr_willis> hmm
[06:19] <octan> Petterderhaag, samba  network?
[06:19] <octan> or nfs
[06:19] <Petterderhaag> dunno, normal windows network through a router
[06:19] <octan> alright
[06:19] <sdlnxgk> yup it's a file server
[06:20] <octan> !samba
[06:20] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:22] <Petterderhaag> octan, how can i open an IP-address (the address to the EHDD) Konqueror automatically adds http://www.
[06:22] <sdlnxgk> dammit kicker will  not start up keeps crashing :(
[06:23] <Petterderhaag> got it :)
[06:23] <fdoving> Petterderhaag: like a windows share?
[06:23] <sdlnxgk> that is wierd it crashed but came  up finally ;)
[06:23] <sdlnxgk> yaaaaaa
[06:23] <sdlnxgk> thanks fdoving and octan ;)
[06:23] <fdoving> sdlnxgk: might be a applet that kills it.
[06:24] <TheBearded1_> my ipw3945 is showing up in iwconfig now
[06:24] <sdlnxgk> could be I took the crash info and sent to kde bugs
[06:24] <TheBearded1_> but i didn't get like a "hey configure your wireless stuff!" dialog, was that supposed to happen?
[06:24] <TheBearded1_> and if not what's stopping edgy from including something like that
[06:25] <sdlnxgk> has anyone tried the USB wireless cards???
[06:25] <TheBearded1_> i have one right now i could plug in and see what happens
[06:25] <sdlnxgk> they have  one  onsale for $19.00 and that is too cheap to pass up or has anyone seen them cheaper?
[06:25] <fdoving> yes, i've used the dlink dwl-122 alot.
[06:26] <Petterderhaag> when i try to upload to my external hard disk it says the folder from which i'm  copying doesn't exist...
[06:26] <sdlnxgk> fdoving it's not a dlink but some  other brand I haven't heard of before
[06:26] <fdoving> sdlnxgk: you should check that it's supported by linux. try to google it's name and add linux
[06:27] <sdlnxgk> ya they only say windows xp
[06:27] <TheBearded1_> USB WIRELESS: i just plugged in a DWL-122 and nothing happened, it doesn't show up in iwconfig and i don't think it loaded any modules
[06:27] <Dr_willis> i want wireless USB .  not wireless networking -usb adaptors. :P
[06:27] <Dr_willis> i want to put the printer on the far side of the room. lol.
[06:27] <TheBearded1_> oh damn
[06:27] <TheBearded1_> good luck!
[06:27] <Dr_willis> and scanner.. :) and.. hmm...
[06:28] <Dr_willis> BUt those are just now comming out.
[06:28] <TheBearded1_> yeah, as far as i know it's pretty much still a technology in development
[06:28] <sdlnxgk> sure you too can be a beta tester like Billons of M$ users
[06:28] <Petterderhaag> anyone? how do i upload to an ip-adress?
[06:29] <Petterderhaag> how do i upload, for starters :p
[06:29] <sdlnxgk> Petter try ftp or ssh
[06:30] <Petterderhaag> ? gonna need a little more help there... (a)
[06:30] <sdlnxgk> but i'm sure to ftp, the other pc needs to be  set up for it
[06:30] <sdlnxgk> I only used ssh one time and that was when someone on here was showing me how to access my computer from work
[06:30] <weedar> Ok, this is really odd. My PC is suddenly slow as a turtle. Any ideas what I can check? top doesn't really point out a culprit
[06:30] <sdlnxgk> I have never tried from  linux to windows
[06:31] <Petterderhaag> well, it's an external harddisk
[06:31] <Kubu> hi
[06:31] <fdoving> TheBearded1_: you need to setup linux-wlan-ng.
[06:31] <Kubu> if i have Edgy beta installed, one the official stable version comes out, will i have to install it again from the official cd or just a dist-upgrade?
[06:31] <sdlnxgk> does  Putty work on linux to access windows???
[06:32] <fdoving> sdlnxgk: windows can't be very usefull with only commandline. I suggest something like 'tightvnc' (google it)
[06:32] <TheBearded1_> yeah, i didn't need to get a dwl-122 working, i thought that other guy was wondering about the support so i tried it just to report what happened
[06:33] <sdlnxgk> fdoving but doesn't the other computer or network file  server have to running  it too?
[06:33] <fdoving> TheBearded1_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/DWL-122
[06:33] <fdoving> sdlnxgk: well, yes and no. You need to run a server on the machine you want to connect to. and you need to run the client on the machine you try to connect from.
[06:34] <sdlnxgk> I guess that  sucks if you don't have access to it to install vnc client or  server
[06:34] <sdlnxgk> I want to try that from work to home so  I can play on linux while at work :)
[06:34] <fdoving> sdlnxgk: it sure does. but putty won't get you any closer.
[06:35] <sdlnxgk> true but for me going from putty on windows to linux is awesome :)
[06:35] <fdoving> it is for me too :)
[06:35] <TheBearded1_> i would use remote desktop
[06:35] <sdlnxgk> I get my linux  box on windows but only command line but atleast I have bitchx
[06:36] <TheBearded1_> with Krdc as the client
[06:36] <sdlnxgk> need to lear how to install the gui for putty
[06:36] <fdoving> sdlnxgk: you can setup x forwarding in putty. that way you can execute gui applications in putty,and they will be displayed on the windows machine.
[06:37] <sdlnxgk> is Krdc  better then VNC?
[06:37] <fdoving> sdlnxgk: no. krdc isn't any good. uses alot of cpu etc.
[06:37] <sdlnxgk> fdoving yes that is what I need to try and do but can't get it too work for some odd reason
[06:38] <Dr_willis> sdlnxgk,  krdc is just a kde based vnc client last i looked..
[06:38] <TheBearded1_> any answers as to why kubuntu doesn't have a user friendly wireless configuration utility like windows does, no searching thorugh menus or anything, just pops up and says "hey let's configure this device"
[06:38] <TheBearded1_> krdc is a frontend to vnc, and rdesktop
[06:38] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis thanks ;)
[06:38] <TheBearded1_> it can connect to windows remote desktop servers too
[06:38] <Dr_willis> You do NOT want to begin to hear the wirlees disasters ive had under windows.
[06:39] <Dr_willis> !network-manager
[06:39] <ubotu> networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[06:39] <Dr_willis> that works for my wireless decently well.
[06:39] <sdlnxgk> my wireless  network is working great but need to shut down the linux box to install wireless card
[06:39] <Dr_willis> Part of the issue is how the different wireless card drivers work, or have to be reverse-engeinnered, or mess3ed with.
[06:39] <TheBearded1_> yeah, but my question is why does it not "just work" in kubuntu
[06:39] <VincentMX> anybody knows why quake doesnt work? it says "Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem" and a few lines above that it says im using Mesa
[06:40] <TheBearded1_> isn't that what ubuntu is all about, linux for people
[06:40] <TheBearded1_> why should one have to aptitude install and search through menus to find where to configure a wireless card?
[06:40] <sdlnxgk> I was happy to see my usb mass storage device just  plug in and it  worked :)
[06:40] <Dr_willis> VincentMX,  you are refering to the original quake1 ? - you may want to check out some of the 'new improved' quake rereleases by the non-id people. they are mrore up to date
[06:40] <VincentMX> quake3
[06:41] <TheBearded1_> that's no trouble for even halfway linux gurus
[06:41] <Dr_willis> TheBearded1_,  beause the wireless manafactures - wont release the full specs for their cards. or if they dont follow the standards
[06:41] <olivier_> hello, I've a problem with Amarok 1.4.3 on  KDE 3.5.4 : When I choose Mode>Random>Off it doesn't work. The tracks are played randomly! I can't play a list sequentialy ! Somebody already had the problem and found the solution ?
[06:41] <sdlnxgk> I play most  of my windows games on kubuntu now ;)
[06:41] <Dr_willis> VincentMX,  Q3 - Hmm.. may be some gl/3d issue - you did instll the video card drivers for your card?
[06:41] <TheBearded1_> i'm talking about the cards that work in linux just fine
[06:42] <TheBearded1_> but you have to know how to configure them
[06:42] <VincentMX> Dr_willis: it was in the hardware list in the system settings
[06:42] <sdlnxgk> I always use older cards so  linux distros normally have the driver issues hammered out
[06:42] <Dr_willis> VincentMX,  Huh?  what video card ya got?
[06:42] <VincentMX> i have an ATI Radeon 9000
[06:42] <TheBearded1_> why not have a utility to easily configure them in kubuntu
[06:43] <Dr_willis> Then you need to isntall the fglrx drivers - I think
[06:43] <Dr_willis> !ati
[06:43] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:43] <sdlnxgk> never  had much luck with ATI
[06:43] <Dr_willis> Ive had some luck with ati.. which suprised me. :P
[06:43] <sdlnxgk> lol
[06:43] <Dr_willis> even the  X200m in the laptop workled with them
[06:44] <omar> Hi guys, I gotta a Cellphone Sony ericsson and I would like to mount it in my linux, do you know how to do it??? all the software in Internet is for Windows
[06:44] <sdlnxgk> I put in my 256mb generic Nvidia card and worked out of the box with games gotta love that now I want the 512mb card so I can run dual 19" LCD monitors on kubuntu
[06:44] <Petterderhaag> thanks anyone :D  i got it working :)
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Dual monitors - can be nice.. and can be an annoyance
[06:44] <sdlnxgk> omar is it a SD card on your phone???
[06:45] <sdlnxgk> true but nothing like playing a game and chatting or finding secrets online ;)
[06:45] <omar> no doesn't have
[06:45] <sdlnxgk> what kind of connection do you have???
[06:46] <sdlnxgk> omar you trying to connect via wireless??
[06:46] <Dr_willis> if it has bluetooth - you can mess with that.. but it can be a bit of a hassle.
[06:46] <dhq> i got glxgears 728 frames in 5.9 seconds = 122.698 FPS please help me increase it
[06:46] <Dr_willis> Bluetooth - such a neat idea.. and so... screwed up in ways.
[06:46] <Dr_willis> dhq,  what video card?
[06:47] <sdlnxgk> I wanted to try that since my phone has blue tooth that way I don't have to take out the SD card ;)
[06:47] <dhq> i810
[06:47] <omar> sdlnxgk: no just USB
[06:47] <Dr_willis> dhq,   you do realize thats a rather low end card to begin with dont ya. :P
[06:47] <Petterderhaag> little question, how do i open konqueror with admin rights?
[06:47] <sdlnxgk> omar should be plug and play for the most part
[06:48] <dhq> Dr_willis: i am on a intel
[06:48] <TheBearded1_> kdesu konqueror
[06:48] <Petterderhaag> it was some command in the console, but forgot
[06:48] <Petterderhaag> thanks :)
[06:48] <sdlnxgk> omar kubuntu should find the phone as a mass storage  device
[06:48] <Dr_willis> sdlnxgk,  theres some bluetooth packages that you may need to install.. ive not messed with it lately.. but it can work and should let you browse files.. I recall editing the pin file in /etc/blue* to set the pin# for the connection
[06:49] <dhq> Dr_willis: help me no plzzzz i am suffering
[06:50] <Dr_willis> dhq,  i aint used an intel 810 in ages..  Other then being sure the right modules are loaded for it. and set in xorg.conf - im not sure theres mucl else you can do to tweak it.
[06:50] <Dr_willis> The ubuntu forums may have some tips
[06:50] <Wolfpaws> Question: How do you install KDE on ubuntu?
[06:50] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:50] <LjL> Wolfpaws: "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop"
[06:50] <fdoving> Wolfpaws: find the package 'kubuntu-desktop' in synaptic.
[06:50] <fdoving> Wolfpaws: then install it.
[06:51] <Dr_willis> I think thsts answered on the kubuntu faq/website. :P
[06:51] <Wolfpaws> Ah, thankies :)
[06:51] <Wolfpaws> Hm... Might go with KDE4 :)
[06:51] <LjL> well, except it looks just like 3.5 and crashes more...
[06:51] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. KDE4 isent even in a beta testing form yet - i thought.
[06:52] <Arlington> is it possible to run the 32-bit kubuntu on a amd64 platform?
[06:52] <LjL> Arlington: yes
[06:52] <LjL> Arlington: and that's what most people do
[06:52] <Dr_willis> Yes. I do it all the time Arlington
[06:52] <Dr_willis> i reccomend it.
[06:52] <Arlington> because this 84-bit intimidates me. how would i downgrade most easily?
[06:52] <Arlington> 64
[06:52] <Dr_willis> downgrade? ick
[06:52] <LjL> Arlington: reinstall
[06:53] <Arlington> okay:-)
[06:53] <Wolfpaws> Arlington: you can't "downgrade" from 64-bit to 32-bit
[06:53] <Arlington> ok?
[06:53] <LjL> Wolfpaws: well, i'd never say never... but he did ask about "easily" ;)
[06:54] <Wolfpaws> LjL: :)
[06:55] <BluesKaj> Wolfpaws, I had to reinstall 32bit x86 after finding out that 64bit version doesn't support a whole lot of progs and hardware
[06:55] <rockinchado> can anyone help me real quick?
[06:55] <steveire> is there a way to rmdir a non-empty directory?
[06:55] <Arlington> sorry to be such a nOOb. i will just download the 386 and re-install...
[06:55] <Dr_willis> rm -rf
[06:55] <LjL> steveire: rm with the -r and -f options
[06:55] <Wolfpaws> BluesKaj: I have 32-bit programs on 64-bit machine
[06:55] <LjL> rockinchado, ask
[06:55] <steveire> thanks.
[06:55] <Wolfpaws> s/programs/OS's
[06:55] <BluesKaj> yup, that's what I did
[06:56] <BluesKaj> amd64 320+venice cpu
[06:56] <LjL> Arlington: yes, that's really the only reasonable choice, unfortunately
[06:56] <BluesKaj> 3200+
[06:56] <rockinchado> i'm trying to insall mythtv .20 and it says i have to install qt compiled threadsafe and with the MySQL bindings      i downloaded a qt package but i don't know how to do the threadsafe and mysql bindings
[06:56] <LjL> rockinchado: just a guess - try installing the "libqt3-mt-dev" package
[06:57] <rockinchado> ok thanks
[06:57] <Dr_willis> !mythtv
[06:57] <ubotu> mythtv is for watching TV in Linux.  Check out http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/12/16/instructions-to-install-mythtv/
[06:57] <BluesKaj> !tvtime
[06:57] <ubotu> tvtime: A high quality television application. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 627 kB, installed size 1744 kB
[07:02] <crema10_> hello
[07:02] <crema10_> party people in the house
[07:02] <crema10_> house music
[07:02] <crema10_> party people
[07:02] <crema10_> damn,  everybody dead
[07:03] <LjL> what was my quit message please?
[07:04] <wheatie> * LjL has quit (Remote closed the connection)
[07:04] <LjL> thanks
[07:04] <LjL> anybody else quit at the same time as me?
[07:04] <wheatie> not with the same quit message
[07:05] <LjL> ok
[07:05] <LjL> so just a weird crash i suppose
[07:05] <crema10_> LjL has quit (Romote crontrol fell and broke)
[07:05] <LjL> >:
[07:05] <BluesKaj> splittsville again
[07:08] <crema10_> how do i make a maxtor external hd be detected by kubuntu?
[07:08] <fdoving> plug it in.
[07:08] <crema10_> i did...
[07:08] <fdoving> should work instantly.
[07:08] <crema10_> nothing happened
[07:08] <crema10_> hmmm
[07:08] <fdoving> if you're in the plugdev group.
[07:09] <crema10_> how do i know if i'm in the plugdev group?
[07:09] <fdoving> open a konsole (kmenu -> system -> konsole) and run the command 'id'.
[07:09] <crema10_> 46 (plugdev)
[07:10] <crema10_> does that mean i am?
[07:10] <fdoving> crema10_: yes. you are.
[07:10] <crema10_> hmm weird
[07:10] <Dr_willis> check system:/media  see if its showing up erhere
[07:10] <Dr_willis> there is data on the drive?
[07:11] <crema10_> Dr_willis: i'm sorry, how do i check that?
[07:11] <crema10_> is that a directory?
[07:11] <Dr_willis> thats a standard konqueror address :P
[07:11] <crema10_> oh hehe
[07:11] <crema10_> ok hold on please
[07:11] <crema10_> hmm yeah i think its there...
[07:11] <Dr_willis> I got a 'system meny' on my panel that lets me get to it.
[07:12] <Dr_willis> if its there..click on uit and see if ya can see stuff
[07:12] <crema10_> i have: cdrom, cdrom0 and hdc
[07:12] <timppa> omit boy from finland hello...
[07:12] <Dr_willis> this is a standard ide drive in a usb 'case' ?
[07:12] <crema10_> its USB connected
[07:13] <Dr_willis> yes.. but what kind of drive is it? just a hard drive in a case?
[07:13] <Dr_willis> or some funky camare/media-stick/usbthimbdrive?
[07:13] <crema10_> its a Maxtor external drive...
[07:13] <crema10_> 150GB
[07:13] <fdoving> then it's just a harddisk in a case.
[07:13] <Dr_willis> open up a Konsole and run 'dmesg' and see if its mentioned at the end.
[07:13] <fdoving> i have one of those.
[07:13] <Dr_willis> This drive allready has data onit? or is it Brand new?
[07:13] <steveire> Does anyone else find that documentation regarding kubuntu is awful? Most docs relate to gnome-ubuntu, and you just have to figure out for yourself what the differences are.
[07:14] <crema10_> nope its not there
[07:14] <crema10_> Dr_willis: it alrady has data on it
[07:14] <fdoving> steveire: known issue.
[07:14] <crema10_> its FAT
[07:14] <crema10_> FAT32
[07:14] <Dr_willis> crema10_,  in a shell try
[07:14] <Dr_willis> sudo fdisk -l
[07:14] <Dr_willis> and see if it shiows up at all. should be some "sda" or similer device
[07:15] <crema10_> nope, not there
[07:15] <Dr_willis> unplug/plug it back in - check dmesg and fdisk -l again
[07:15] <crema10_> ok
[07:16] <crema10_> oh shoot, that was it
[07:16] <crema10_> thanks Dr_willis  :)
[07:17] <crema10_> (whatcha tahkin bout willis!?)  ;)
[07:24] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis sometimes I have to take out the USB and try it a couple of times before the module will work
[07:24] <Dr_willis> i got a hd thats a little picky tha tway also
[07:24] <sdlnxgk> Dr_Willis never mind i'm too slow of a reader
[07:24] <sdlnxgk> lol
[07:25] <sdlnxgk> my usb mass storage deivce from my camera phone which is an SD card is picky like
[07:25] <sdlnxgk> so are some CDRoms when I put them in the drive
[07:26] <racchio> Hi there :)
[07:27] <Crema10> man...
[07:27] <Crema10> i got booted
[07:27] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis you using MythTV??? or have a TV tuner card??
[07:27] <Crema10> kinda buggy my Kubuntu...
[07:27] <altair> does kopete work with google talk?  (not  working for me today)
[07:27] <Crema10> i cant play mp3 for some reason.. is that a tabu subject here?
[07:27] <Dr_willis> sdlnxgk,  neither at this time.
[07:28] <fdoving> !mp3 > crema10
[07:29] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis cool need to check linux deivces for a good card to run under kubuntu
[07:29] <Dr_willis> Yea - the MythTV sites tend to have a lot of forum chat about tv cards
[07:30] <sdlnxgk> ya  gonna add them to the list of freenode irc chats now
[07:30] <sdlnxgk> lol
[07:30] <BluesKaj> TVTime works well too
[07:30] <BluesKaj> it's on the repos
[07:39] <sdlnxgk> BluesKaj thanks checking that now ;)
[07:44] <arunkale> hello people
[07:45] <nath_> hello
[07:45] <arunkale> hey nath_
[07:45] <nath_> okays sir
[07:48] <arunkale> i'm thinking of trying out the gnome desktop.. do you guys think it's a good idea?
[07:49] <LjL> arunkale: i think a good idea is installing it through aptitude, so you can easily remove it later if you decide to
[07:49] <MetaMorfoziS> who has  idea , why my keyboard ont this laptop (kubuntu 6.06) hangs up working on "mklop" buttons after 5-10-15-20 minutes?
[07:50] <arunkale> LjL: How do I do that?
[07:50] <LjL> arunkale: "sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop". it's a big download, mind you
[07:50] <arunkale> how big?
[07:50] <LjL> arunkale: then "sudo aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop" the day you decide you don't want it again
[07:50] <zorglu_> arunkale: it will tell you before doing it
[07:50] <LjL> arunkale: i don't really know (it also depends on what stuff you may have already installed), but it'll be some hundred megs
[07:51] <arunkale> heh, then i don't think i'll do it
[07:51] <arunkale> i have a 64 kbps connection, it'll take forever to download 100 megs
[07:51] <LjL> no, i'd avoid it...
[07:52] <blob> Hi, I'm using kanotix right now and I'd like to know if there's use to install a distro such as kubuntu, kanotix runs fine, but I thought a distro made for install may run faster or there might be some advantages... if yes then I'll give it a try
[07:53] <fdoving> blob: yes, a installed distro will run faster.
[07:54] <blob> fdoving: I installed kanotix, I don't use the live cd
[07:54] <fdoving> blob: ah.. then it won't be much difference.
[07:58] <omar> Hi guys I wanna mount my USB cel phone, how to do that
[07:59] <fdoving> omar: what model?
[08:00] <omar> fdoving: sony ericsson
[08:00] <fdoving> omar: model?
[08:01] <omar> fdoving: sony ericsson  k300
[08:03] <MDCore> is it possible to make gnome apps look decent while running KDE ?
[08:04] <Ash-Fox> If I 'chmod 4755 /bin/mount', this should set suid mount, correct?
[08:04] <zorglu_> MDCore: mine run quite decently, not that i did anything special tho
[08:04] <inter> MDCore: there are some options for gnome apps in kcontrol
[08:04] <MDCore> cool
[08:04] <zorglu_> Ash-Fox: chmod u+s would be more readable
[08:04] <MDCore> I'll look a bit there.
[08:04] <inter> MDCore: but you can also run the gnome-session-manager
[08:05] <inter> MDCore: but I can never remember where that is located...
[08:05] <MDCore> inter: hmm.. console doesn't find a match on gnome-session-manager
[08:06] <inter> MDCore: ya
[08:06] <omar> fdoving: sony ericsson  k300
[08:06] <inter> MDCore: it's not in the path
[08:06] <inter> MDCore: you have to find it
[08:06] <MDCore> cool!
[08:06] <rockinchado> hello one quick question i'm trying to install libqt3-mt-dev and synaptic says that i have to uninstall kubuntu desktop, x-window-system, core among other things       does anyone know how to fix this
[08:06] <inter> MDCore: i found it at some point but forgot
[08:07] <fdoving> omar: can't find any info on that. sorry.
[08:07] <inter> rockinchado: you could force apt-get to do it...but that might be dangerous, since synaptic thinks that it will replace some dependencies
[08:07] <fdoving> have to go.
[08:08] <inter> rockinchado: you might try the terminal app, aptitude, which does better dep checking
[08:09] <Dr_willis> ive had aptitude decide to remove oooodles of things befor.. for some reason
[08:09] <Dr_willis> 304 packages once it decndied to remove.. then  a few mins later after instlling somthing else - it installed them all back. :)
[08:09] <inter> ya, if the packages are kind of screwed up then you might not be able to get around it
[08:10] <Crema10> !mp3
[08:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:10] <rockinchado> inter: hmmm so basically i'm screwed?
[08:10] <inter> rockinchado: ya
[08:10] <inter> rockinchado: but...
[08:10] <inter> rockinchado: you might try compiling it...
[08:10] <inter> rockinchado: apt-get --compile source <pkg name>
[08:11] <rockinchado> inter: hm ok i'm trying that now
[08:11] <inter> rockinchado: might work...it'll be safer at least
[08:12] <rockinchado> inter: ok       so what exactly causes this problem is it that libqt3-mt-dev will install stuff over the dependencies for other packages?
[08:12] <MDCore> inter: gnome-session runs the gnome session manager.. but it says I'm already running one a session manager, which makes sense.
[08:13] <inter> rockinchado: ya, it is going to overwrite things...so synaptic is trying to remove those things so everything doesn't get borked
[08:13] <inter> MDCore: ok, then you probably should just mess with the settings in kcontrol
[08:13] <MDCore> cool. thanks!
[08:14] <rockinchado> inter:  aight cool the compile source is downloading some shit right now when it gets done i'll tell you if it worked
[08:14] <inter> ok
[08:15] <inter> uhh...you'll probably need to apt-get a whole ton of development packages though...they will show up in the error messages of apt-get source
[08:15] <rockinchado> inter: bleh is there any way to get around this or am i going to have install each one maually
[08:17] <inter> rockinchado: do you see a whole list of em?
[08:17] <inter> just select them and do apt-get install <paste>
[08:17] <rockinchado> inter:  it said i needed dpkg-dev so i had to install that
[08:17] <inter> you don't need to compile the dependencies
[08:17] <inter> ya
[08:17] <inter> just apt-get install dpkg-dev
[08:18] <rockinchado> ya i did
[08:18] <inter> was that the only one?
[08:18] <inter> if so then you should be go to go...just rerun the source command
[08:18] <rockinchado> um no
[08:18] <rockinchado> now i got the huge list
[08:18] <inter> ok
[08:18] <insanekane> whats a good distro other than kubuntu for KDE which i can make derivatives with ?
[08:18] <octan> none
[08:19] <octan> :p
[08:19] <inter> does archlinux use KDE by default?
[08:19] <rockinchado> how do i seperate things in apt-get install      is it apt-get install pkg1, pkg2, pkg3
[08:20] <rockinchado> with commas
[08:20] <Dr_willis> ask in #arch ?
[08:20] <inter> rockinchado: no just spaces
[08:20] <Dr_willis> try it one way or another.. :P and see.. lol
[08:20] <inter> rockinchado: so, like i said, you can just select the packages with your mouse and paste them into the apt-get install command and let it go
[08:21] <inter> Dr_willis: well I thought that it might use kde and that would give insanekane another distro to checkout
[08:21] <inter> but ya
[08:21] <Dr_willis> heh
[08:21] <Dr_willis> I do belive arch does use kde... but not sure if its the default
[08:22] <insanekane> i'm looking for a distro that really believes in KDE
[08:22] <Crema10> !repo
[08:22] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:22] <inter> ya
[08:22] <inter> insanekane: SUSE used to be all about kde
[08:22] <insanekane> inter: i dont think i can make derivatives of Suse
[08:22] <inter> insanekane: no you can't ;)
[08:22] <inter> insanekane: unless your insane...
[08:23] <inter> insanekane: it would probably be easiest to use slackware or vectorlinux to do that
[08:24] <ScottK> SUSE is a lot less about KDE than they used to be.
[08:25] <arunkale> SuSE is bleh
[08:25] <coreymon77> why are we talking about suse here
[08:25] <coreymon77> this is kubuntu
[08:26] <coreymon77> which is defeinitely not bleh
[08:27] <inter> hehe
[08:27] <inter> yes indeed, suse is no longer about KDE
[08:27] <insanekane> coreymon77: it is bleh
[08:27] <inter> now its about bloating
[08:28] <coreymon77> windoze is bleh
[08:29] <BluesKaj> Yast sucks !
[08:31] <inter> rpm's suck :)
[08:31] <BluesKaj> hehe
[08:31] <coreymon77> apt4rpm make suse partially useable
[08:31] <coreymon77> but barely
[08:32] <inter> barely
[08:32] <coreymon77> yast is the worst thing i have ever seen
[08:32] <coreymon77> it doesnt work
[08:32] <inter> since it can still bork your system in an upgrade
[08:32] <inter> smart is the only useable pkg manager for suse
[08:32] <coreymon77> ohys
[08:32] <coreymon77> ya
[08:32] <coreymon77> do i ever know that
[08:32] <coreymon77> it happened to me
[08:32] <inter> hehe
[08:32] <coreymon77> i did a yast upgrade
[08:33] <coreymon77> and it more than borked my system
[08:33] <inter> ?
[08:33] <coreymon77> it bork bork bork bork stinking bork borked my system
[08:33] <inter> that is bad ;)
[08:33] <coreymon77> i could do nothing
[08:33] <coreymon77> it f**king deleted my home directory!
[08:33] <inter> the worst i've experienced is the removal of X and friends
[08:34] <kyaneos> hello
[08:34] <coreymon77> it deleted my home directory
[08:34] <coreymon77> do you know what that does?
[08:34] <inter> that's pretty bad
[08:34] <coreymon77> pretty bad?
[08:34] <inter> not sure how or why yast would have done that
[08:34] <coreymon77> you try doing it
[08:34] <coreymon77> see what happens to your system
[08:34] <inter> no no buddy, I like to keep my files
[08:35] <soulrider> hi everyone
[08:35] <coreymon77> and your system
[08:35] <coreymon77> hey soul!
[08:36] <coreymon77> ugh god
[08:36] <coreymon77> lag lag lag
[08:36] <coreymon77> all the time lag
[08:37] <coreymon77> guys
[08:38] <coreymon77> i have always had to type in a particular command at start in order to get my internet to work
[08:38] <coreymon77> i have to type
[08:38] <coreymon77> sudo iwconfig ra0 essid [my essid]  key [my wep key[
[08:38] <coreymon77> ] 
[08:38] <coreymon77> and the my root password after pressing enter
[08:38] <coreymon77> ive always wondered
[08:38] <coreymon77> is there any way
[08:39] <coreymon77> to get that script to run automatically?
[08:40] <coreymon77> is there?
[08:40] <coreymon77> if there isnt thats okay
[08:40] <coreymon77> but i would really like if there was
[08:42] <sdlnxgk> ok who is up for a challenge???
[08:42] <coreymon77> does anyone know if there is a way for my script to run on startup
[08:43] <sdlnxgk> I have to storage HDD mounted on the desktop but  when I try  to access them in konqueror says  they are unplugged?
[08:43] <coreymon77> hello?
[08:43] <coreymon77> anyone?/
[08:43] <sdlnxgk> coreymon77 i know you have to edit some rc.0 file
[08:44] <coreymon77> okay
[08:44] <coreymon77> which one?
[08:44] <sdlnxgk> !start script
[08:44] <coreymon77> and what do i edit
[08:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about start script - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:44] <coreymon77> !autorunn
[08:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autorunn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:44] <coreymon77> !autorun
[08:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autorun - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:44] <MDCore> coreymon77: pretty simple actually
[08:44] <coreymon77> its an iwconfig script
[08:44] <sdlnxgk> MDCore school us dude
[08:44] <coreymon77> and i need root to run it
[08:45] <coreymon77> this is my sequence
[08:45] <MDCore> ~/.kde/Autostart
[08:45] <MDCore> pop your script in there ?
[08:45] <coreymon77> sudo iwconfig ra0 essid [my essid]  key [my wep key] 
[08:45] <coreymon77> then i press enter
[08:46] <coreymon77> then i type in my root password
[08:46] <MDCore> put that in a shell script and put that script in Autostart
[08:46] <MDCore> it will run when you log into KDE
[08:46] <coreymon77> ive tried that
[08:46] <MDCore> ah
[08:47] <coreymon77> it only works when i restart x
[08:47] <coreymon77> right now
[08:47] <coreymon77> if i restart x with control alt baskspace
[08:47] <coreymon77> and then log in
[08:47] <coreymon77> i dont have to type in that script agian
[08:47] <coreymon77> but when i first bot
[08:47] <coreymon77> boot
[08:47] <coreymon77> i do
[08:47] <coreymon77> i want to not have to do it on boot aswell
[08:48] <MDCore> and it doesn't run in Autostart? strange.
[08:48] <coreymon77> now that i have booted
[08:49] <coreymon77> if i ctrl+alt+bkspc and then log in
[08:49] <coreymon77> i dont have to type in the script again
[08:49] <coreymon77> but when i boot
[08:49] <coreymon77> i do
[08:50] <coreymon77> so what do i do
[08:50] <coreymon77> maybe its got someting to do with the fact that its a multiline scrip
[08:50] <coreymon77> t
[08:51] <DarkWizzard> hello
[08:51] <DarkWizzard> someone please send me the file /bin/mkdir
[08:51] <DarkWizzard> some script has replaced it
[08:51] <DarkWizzard> and now it segfaults
[08:51] <fdoving> DarkWizzard: you can re-install it yourself.
[08:51] <DarkWizzard> everytime I run it
[08:51] <DarkWizzard> I dont have net under it now
[08:52] <DarkWizzard> you know the system has to make a folder in /var/run
[08:52] <DarkWizzard> and it cant make
[08:52] <fdoving> DarkWizzard: apt-get install --reinstall coreutils
[08:52] <coreymon77> so core
[08:52] <DarkWizzard> man
[08:52] <DarkWizzard> I dont have net under linux
[08:52] <coreymon77> MDCore, what do i do?
[08:52] <DarkWizzard> it has to make a folder
[08:52] <DarkWizzard> in /var/run
[08:52] <DarkWizzard> I just need /bin/mkdir
[08:52] <DarkWizzard> the system can't make a folder
[08:52] <DarkWizzard> it got replaced
[08:53] <DarkWizzard> by some fake thing
[08:53] <ubuntu> i like to fuck old peoples,  like Zombies
[08:53] <fdoving> DarkWizzard: hang on.
[08:53] <DarkWizzard> ok
[08:53] <ubuntu> hm its fine
[08:53] <DarkWizzard> man I hope cp works ...
[08:54] <DarkWizzard> I'll never run a script with root again
[08:54] <fdoving> DarkWizzard: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/mkdir
[08:54] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:54] <DarkWizzard> I should have known
[08:54] <DarkWizzard> thanks man
[08:55] <coreymon77> MDCore: what do i do?
[08:56] <fdoving> coreymon77: what is your problem?
[08:56] <coreymon77> whenever i boot
[08:56] <coreymon77> i have to type in a particular script
[08:56] <fdoving> that does what?
[08:56] <coreymon77> to get my internet working
[08:56] <fdoving> ok, wireless?
[08:57] <coreymon77> sudo iwconfig rao essid [my essid]  key [my wep key] 
[08:57] <MDCore> coreymon77: I was thinking.... have you asked on #debian?
[08:57] <coreymon77> then press enter
[08:57] <coreymon77> then type my root password
[08:57] <coreymon77> i dont want to always have to type that it
[08:57] <coreymon77> in
[08:57] <fdoving> coreymon77: ok. open /etc/network/interfaces with a editor. 'sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces' would be ok.
[08:57] <coreymon77> is there a way not to have to
[08:57] <LjL> !enter
[08:57] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[08:58] <insanekane> LjL: someone uses enter key as punctuation ?
[08:58] <fdoving> coreymon77: can you paste the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org ?
[08:58] <insanekane> LjL: it seems to me that it would always be a mistake
[08:58] <Hawkwind> insanekane: Also known as scrolling
[08:58] <coreymon77> fdoving: do i have nano?
[08:58] <LjL> insanekane: meaning to avoid to split a single sentence into many lines
[08:58] <insanekane> Hawkwind: scrolling ?
[08:58] <coreymon77> cause i think i just have kate and kedit
[08:58] <Hawkwind> insanekane: Yes.  Typing very few words per line on multiple lines
[08:58] <LjL> coreymon77: you have nano.
[08:58] <coreymon77> right now i have already typed the script in
[08:59] <coreymon77> is that a problem?
[08:59] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: No
[08:59] <insanekane> LjL: yes, isnt it more likely that a person would do that only by mistake, unless he was delibrately trying to make things easier ?
[08:59] <fdoving> coreymon77: ok,you can use kate too. kmenu -> run command 'kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces' <enter>
[08:59] <fdoving> coreymon77: no, that is not a problem.
[08:59] <insanekane> perhaps for a complex subject
[08:59] <LjL> insanekane: apparently, not
[08:59] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: Just open up that file fdoving stated and follow his lead and he'll help you eliminate the need of typing in next time
[08:59] <Hawkwind> insanekane: Some people like to type few words on a line instead of making big sentences
[09:00] <insanekane> Hawkwind: yes, like speaking a few words at a time with pauses in between ?
[09:00] <LjL> insanekane: yeah... except on IRC it's probably more annoying than that.
[09:00] <rockinchado> anyone who can answer a quick question       what is the difference between libgl1-mesa and xlibmesa-gl
[09:00] <insanekane> i wonder who makes these rules ... i can understand the rule like 'no abbreviations like LOL' ... but 'no using enter as punctuation' ?!?
[09:01] <Hawkwind> It's very annoying.  It fills up your buffer unnecessarily as well
[09:01] <LjL> insanekane: abbreviations are fine. anyway, i suggest if you want to further discuss this topic, to join #ubuntu-offtopic or #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:01] <Hawkwind> insanekane: So you want people to type 2 - 3 words per line, hit enter after every 3 words ?
[09:01] <insanekane> Hawkwind: only if it makes the person doing that more comfortable
[09:02] <Hawkwind> insanekane: That it might, but it's annoying to the channel and fills up your logs horribly bad
[09:02] <coreymon77> fdoving: could i cut out my essid and wep key and just change them to '[my essid] ' and [my wep key] '?
[09:02] <LjL> insanekane: yeah, well, except on #ubuntu there is 900 people, and if all of them do that (and they sometimes do) it becomes a complete unreadable mess. there's fewer people here, but it still can be annoying.
[09:02] <coreymon77> cause i would rather not give that info out
[09:02] <Dr_willis> insanekane,  when breaking down a single sentance in to lots of little ones - its just makes things more confusing.. so its silly. I could of broke this down in to about 8 sentances..
[09:02] <fdoving> coreymon77: sure, that would be a good idea.
[09:02] <LjL> insanekane: also, it's basically a way to make your nickname appear a lot on the channel, without really saying too much -- so in a way it's like actually spamming by repeating the same question multiple times in a row
[09:02] <coreymon77> can i cut out my static ip too?
[09:03] <fdoving> coreymon77: sure.
[09:03] <coreymon77> k thanks
[09:03] <cosmin> wuzz up>?
[09:03] <insanekane> LjL: i doubt there would be any advantage in 'making your nick appear' ... of course, this is the free/open source world, i guess it is kind of expected here
[09:03] <coreymon77> put it on pastebox?
[09:04] <LjL> insanekane: well, people on #ubuntu and here often feel they or their questions are being ignored.
[09:04] <LjL> insanekane: otherwise, you wouldn't explain why people would actually type the same question a number of times in a row -- and they do (and get kicked)
[09:04] <insanekane> LjL: thats because of the lack of technology
[09:04] <fdoving> coreymon77: yes. please. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:04] <insanekane> LjL: i had suggested to konversation devels about improving konversation for support channels like #kubuntu
[09:05] <insanekane> LjL: obviously, nothing has happened yet
[09:05] <LjL> insanekane: look, anyway we're offtopic, and we're actually disturbing coreymon77 who is trying to get help -- my "!enter" was addressed to him, but still i don't think he deserves all the flooding *we're* giving now. so, again, if you want to keep discussing, join -offtopic
[09:06] <coreymon77> w/e
[09:06] <coreymon77> doesnt bother me
[09:06] <coreymon77> anyways i put it in pastebox
[09:06] <coreymon77> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25335/
[09:07] <x-demon> hi all
[09:08] <fdoving> coreymon77: ok, and you still have to run the script to  get online? the file looks just fine, and you should be able to use your connection directly.
[09:08] <x-demon> i have problem whith kubuntu
[09:08] <x-demon> asus p4p800se, 2.0 GHZ CPU Nvidia GeForce 6600
[09:09] <x-demon> when starting linux i see small (100*80) blocks with green and black lines
[09:09] <coreymon77> fdoving: right now, at this second, if i pressed cntrl+alt+bkspc and restarted x and then logged in to kubuntu, i wouldnt have to put the script in again
[09:09] <mabreaux> I just install gnucash, how do I add it to the menu?
[09:09] <fdoving> coreymon77: s:[your wep key] , that is your wep key,like the passphrase, right? not the hex?
[09:09] <Dr_willis> x-demon,  in the upper left corner?
[09:09] <x-demon> on all screen
[09:09] <coreymon77> but lets say i actually restarted my computer and booted kubuntu again, then i would have to put in the script
[09:09] <fdoving> coreymon77: understand.. so it's like once, just after you've started the machine. right?
[09:10] <Dr_willis> x-demon,  it never works then? or is this just for a moment or  3 you see them?
[09:10] <x-demon> its first run
[09:11] <x-demon> and its all
[09:11] <x-demon> kde not starting
[09:11] <x-demon> i see this noisy blocks
[09:11] <zerozero> does kubuntu automatically detect usb drives such as cameras and such or is there something I have to do to make them seen?
[09:12] <x-demon> any ideas&
[09:12] <coreymon77> fdoving: firstly, yes, [my wep key]  covers all of my actual wep key, nothing else, and 2 yes, it is only right after i boot the machine, once i type it in once, i dont have to type it again until i reboot my machine
[09:13] <arunkale> i installed amule and couldn't figure out how to use it. i guess i'll have to stick to torrents now
[09:13] <coreymon77> would it have anything to do with the fact that the script that i have in /.kde/autostart is a multiline script?
[09:13] <fdoving> coreymon77: do you have to bring down the interface, and bring it up again, after running the iwconfig command? or does it just work after the command has been ran?
[09:13] <fdoving> !frostwire > arunkale
[09:14] <coreymon77> no, all i have to do i type in the sudo iwconfig command and then my root password and then my internet works instantly
[09:14] <fdoving> coreymon77: no, but doing network stuff in
[09:14] <fdoving> ~/.kde/Autostart isn't proper.
[09:15] <coreymon77> ???
[09:15] <fdoving> coreymon77: ~/.kde/Autostart isn't the place for network config stuff.
[09:15] <arunkale> fdoving: for frostwire, do you need java runtime environment or something
[09:15] <fdoving> arunkale: yes.
[09:15] <Dr_willis> and it wants the actual sun java - last i tried it.
[09:15] <arunkale> how do i get that
[09:16] <Dr_willis> !java
[09:16] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[09:16] <coreymon77> i put the script that i wanted to automatically run into a shell script file and the put it into autostart
[09:16] <coreymon77> isnt that what i would do?
[09:16] <x-demon> Dr_willis: any ideas about my problem&
[09:16] <x-demon> ?
[09:16] <Dr_willis> what proboem?
[09:17] <Dr_willis> sounds like a video card/driver issue.
[09:17] <coreymon77> thats where you put stuff you want to run on startup isnt it?
[09:17] <andriijas> i accedently enabled some switch in kmix and a really annoying sound started to sound in the speakers. now i cant turn it off. even reboot doesnt help
[09:17] <fdoving> coreymon77: remove your script in ~/.kde/Autostart and try to add this line after line 15 in your /etc/network/interfaces : 'up iwconfig command here'
[09:18] <x-demon> Dr_willis: and... how i can resolve thos problem?
[09:18] <sin18>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY password
[09:18] <LjL> sin18: do that in the status window... so you won't risk showing your password to us ;)
[09:19] <LjL> sin18: besides, you'd better use an actual password, rather than the word "password"
[09:19] <Dr_willis> x-demon,   what video card... did you install the right drivers for that card... check the forums yet? check the wiki yet fo rthat card... for a start
[09:19] <x-demon> i can log in to console
[09:19] <fdoving> coreymon77: that would make line 16 in the interfaces file look something like this (without the ''s): 'up /sbin/iwconfig essid youressid key s:yourkey'
[09:19] <x-demon> only x server
[09:19] <sin18> oopssiee
[09:19] <x-demon> ctrl+alt+backspace cannot kill xorg!
[09:19] <fdoving> sin18: you should change your password. fast :)
[09:19] <LjL> x-demon: you using XGL?
[09:20] <x-demon> no, i installed kubuntu, then run it. and all. this bug.
[09:20] <fdoving> x-demon: check /etc/X11/xorg.conf for 'DontZap' if you find it, change it to 'false'.
[09:21] <fyrmedic> I can't get kaffeine to read dvd
[09:21] <fyrmedic> any suggestions
[09:21] <fyrmedic> ?
[09:22] <fdoving> !dvd
[09:22] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:23] <coreymon77> huh?
[09:23] <coreymon77> i dont follow you fdoving
[09:23] <fdoving> coreymon77: ok, hang on.
[09:23] <fyrmedic> fdoving: thanx I'll try that out
[09:24] <soulrider> does anyone know how i can change the language of KDE ?
[09:24] <soulrider> i need to set it up ona  machine and it ahs to be in spanish
[09:25] <sin18> i am running kubuntu on vmare ... it recognizes everything including the wireless (intel pro 3945) .. but it seems as if the wireless appears as ethernet to linux since iwconfig shows nothin
[09:25] <fdoving> soulrider: kmenu -> system settings -> Regional & Language -> add language
[09:26] <soulrider> i tired, but it only lets me add english
[09:26] <fdoving> soulrider: if you can't find spanish, you need to install the package: language-pack-kde-es
[09:26] <soulrider> ohh ok, thanks
[09:27] <soulrider> im installing kubuntu on my dads comp
[09:27] <fdoving> :)
[09:27] <soulrider> i finally convinced him
[09:27] <soulrider> bit im gonna have to set it up in spanish
[09:28] <fdoving> coreymon77: what's the command you have to run every time? 'iwconfig ra0 essid youressid key yourkey' ?
[09:28] <coreymon77> 'sudo iwconfig ra0 essid [myid]  key [mykey] 
[09:29] <fdoving> coreymon77: ok.
[09:29] <coreymon77> then my root password after pressing enter
[09:29] <fdoving> coreymon77: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25339/
[09:30] <fdoving> coreymon77: try to add that 'up' line.
[09:30] <fdoving> coreymon77: sudo is left out intentionally.
[09:30] <coreymon77> so dont add sudo?
[09:30] <fdoving> coreymon77: no, don't add sudo.
[09:31] <fdoving> coreymon77: what that basically does, is to run the command, after directly after the interface has been brought up.
[09:32] <coreymon77> so now what?
[09:32] <fdoving> coreymon77: now i hope it will work next time you reboot.
[09:36] <coreymon77> but what about the whole root thing?
[09:37] <fdoving> coreymon77: commands executed from that file will be executed as root.
[09:38] <coreymon77> okay
[09:38] <coreymon77> i should take the autostart file out?
[09:39] <fdoving> yes.
[09:39] <Arlington> what am i supposed to do? yes i'am a nOOb
[09:39] <Arlington> Uncompress install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz.  A directory called install_flash_player_7_linux is created.  Navigate to this directory.
[09:39] <Arlington> - From the command line, type ./flashplayer-installer to run the installer.
[09:39] <Arlington> i have uncompressed the file...
[09:40] <coreymon77> okay
[09:41] <coreymon77> im gonna try now fdoving
[09:41] <fdoving> Arlington: type this: 'cd install_flash_player_7_linux'
[09:41] <fdoving> Arlington: that's what they mean by 'navigate to this directory'.
[09:42] <fdoving> Arlington: cd is short for change directory
[09:42] <coreymon77> wish me luck
[09:42] <Arlington> yes i'am in that directory. no problem but when i do the ./flashplayer-installer nothing happens
[09:44] <octan> chmod 755 ./flashplayer-installer
[09:44] <octan> ./flashplayer-installer
[09:44] <xdemon> hi again!
[09:44] <xdemon> DontZap RULEZ ^)
[09:44] <xdemon> its working
[09:45] <Arlington> what? :-)
[09:45] <octan> sudo  chmod 755 ./flashplayer-installer
[09:45] <octan> sudo ./flashplayer-installer
[09:45] <xdemon> kubuntu working after changing config
[09:46] <Arlington> "cannot connect to ./flashplayer-installer file or directory not present (translated from swedish)
[09:46] <coreymon77> wahoo!
[09:46] <coreymon77> thank you fdoving!
[09:47] <fdoving> Arlington: what does 'ls' output? (don't paste everything into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org if it's multiple lines)
[09:47] <fdoving> coreymon77: success?
[09:47] <coreymon77> yup!
[09:47] <fdoving> coreymon77: nice :)
[09:47] <Arlington> nm i solved it :-) i maybe nOOb at linux but not completly stupid.
[09:48] <xdemon> what the default root password on kubuntu?
[09:48] <LjL> !tell xdemon about root
[09:48] <LjL> xdemon: none
[09:49] <arunkale> umm frostwire won't run at all
[09:49] <xdemon> hmm
[09:49] <xdemon> i cant install apache php mysql
[09:49] <LjL> xdemon: what happens when you try?
[09:49] <xdemon> sudo apt-get install apache
[09:50] <LjL> xdemon: ok, and what's the error?
[09:50] <xdemon> no packages found... maybe sources.list error
[09:50] <LjL> !info apache
[09:50] <ubotu> apache: versatile, high-performance HTTP server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.34-2ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 375 kB, installed size 808 kB
[09:50] <LjL> xdemon: well, it's in universe, so you need to have it enabled
[09:50] <LjL> !lamp
[09:50] <ubotu> offically the LAMP stack is: Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}, Setup LAMP on Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  ; See also server cd install menu ; however jdub had this to say:  Linux, Apache, Most-of-our-scripting-languages-start-with-a-P, Postgresql (and that other one) :)
[09:51] <fdoving> !info apache2
[09:51] <ubotu> apache2: next generation, scalable, extendable web server. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.55-4ubuntu2.1 (dapper), package size 34 kB, installed size 80 kB
[09:51] <LjL> (what kind of mess is this factoid?!)
[09:52] <vm> hi. question: what virtual machine (freeware one, i don`t have actually money for it) for windows is the best for installing kubumtu on it?
[09:53] <Film905> best virtual machine imo is just running a live distro booted from a cd.
[09:53] <LjL> !lamp
[09:53] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[09:53] <mabreaux> do you have to mount or umount a floppy disk ?
[09:53] <LjL> vm: perhaps vmware player is the fastest
[09:53] <vm> Film905 - but i can`t save the data working on livecd, and the booting time is not acceptable for me
[09:54] <LjL> vm: (i mean, vmware in general... but player is free. vmware server is also free)
[09:54] <aztun> hi all
[09:54] <aztun> is there any repository for last mldonkey packages?
[09:54] <fdoving> mabreaux: yes.
[09:55] <mabreaux> how do you do the mount - umount  "sudo mount /dev/fd0" ?
[09:55] <mabreaux> ot can you do it from a menu
[09:55] <vm> Ljl - what should i use for kubuntu - player, server, appliances
[09:56] <fdoving> mabreaux: isn't it listed in media:/ ?
[09:57] <LjL> vm: well, with "player" you cannot *create* virtual machines, but that's easily worked around... just go to www.easyvmx.com, which allows you to create a virtual machine without any hassle
[09:57] <fdoving> (don't have floppy on this laptop can't test)
[09:57] <LjL> vm: that's what i do (since vmware player is packaged with ubuntu). don't really know about the features of the other ones
[09:58] <eean> how do you re-initialize postgresql?
[09:58] <eean> eg have it run the post-install steps over again
[09:58] <eean> have apt-get run the post-install steps, I mean
[09:58] <eean> just reinstalling, doesn't do it for some reason
[10:02] <mikeraz> Q about switching desktops - how does one enable keyboard shortcuts, I'd prefer not to click.
[10:02] <sander__> Is this the channel for edgy or is there another?
[10:02] <LjL> !edgy
[10:02] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[10:02] <sander__> thanks
[10:02] <vm> guest os in vm is the "virtually" one, right?
[10:03] <sander__> I was trying kubuntu+1 before.
[10:03] <LjL> vm: yep
[10:03] <LjL> sander__: well, no, i don't think there is such a channel. even #ubuntu+1 is not that populated.
[10:03] <yuma> hi
[10:04] <fdoving> eean: dpkg-reconfigure -plow packagename
[10:04] <eean> ahha
[10:04] <LjL> sander__: but you don't really have to come to #kubuntu (+1 or not) just because you're using kubuntu rather than ubuntu, mind you
[10:04] <yuma> I'm using the latest beta (6.10) of Kubuntu and I'm having problems with the kio_tar slave
[10:04] <LjL> !edgy
[10:04] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[10:04] <ubuntu> ooh i want it
[10:05] <yuma> I can't open a zip file from Konqueror
[10:05] <ubuntu> can someone tell me why canada's server's are always so freaking slow
[10:05] <LjL> ubuntu: it's beta. better wait until it's out
[10:05] <mikeraz> do you have the zip utilities installed?
[10:05] <bluch> how can i run .iso cd/dvd images?
[10:05] <yuma> mikeraz: yes
[10:05] <LjL> "run"?
[10:05] <yuma> mikeraz: I have installed the zip package
[10:05] <bluch> well
[10:06] <bluch> use them as a normal cd
[10:06] <eean> fdoving: gosh that does nothing :/
[10:06] <sander__> bluch: did you look on kde-apps? There's one there that has a debian/ubuntu build
[10:06] <vm> open question: why do you use kubuntu not (g)ubuntu?
[10:06] <fdoving> eean: are you sure you did it on the correct package?
[10:06] <LjL> !mountiso
[10:06] <ubotu> To mount an .iso image: sudo mount -o loop my.iso /some/mountpoint - bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk  .iso images of Ubuntu CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com Always verify the .iso before burning, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[10:06] <LjL> bluch: ^
[10:06] <bluch> i'll try
[10:06] <ubuntu> ok
[10:07] <yuma> mikeraz: when I use the URL zip://file.zip konqueror crash
[10:07] <ubuntu> well i'm on live
[10:07] <ubuntu> live cd
[10:07] <fdoving> yuma: is this what you want? - the second paragraph: http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[10:07] <eean> fdoving: yes, I did an apt-get install of the same string and it said it was already installed
[10:07] <ubuntu> my hard drive is getting RMA'd
[10:07] <xdemon> hey
[10:07] <ubuntu> so could i install linux on a 2 gig hdd?
[10:07] <xdemon> how i can rewrite sources.list without root permissions?
[10:07] <Skrot> sudo
[10:07] <LjL> xdemon: don't. use sudo
[10:07] <xdemon> yes
[10:07] <xdemon> bot how?
[10:07] <LjL> xdemon: "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[10:07] <eean> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:08] <ubuntu> type sudo -i
[10:08] <ubuntu> type ur password
[10:08] <LjL> ubuntu: no need, it's a single command
[10:08] <ubuntu> ugh
[10:08] <ubuntu> fine
[10:08] <yuma> fdoving: what I really what is to open the zip files from Gwenview
[10:08] <xdemon> oh
[10:08] <xdemon> thx
[10:08] <ubuntu> i use sudo -i
[10:08] <ubuntu> just to feel special
[10:08] <xdemon> sudo -i its full su analog
[10:08] <yuma> fdoving: but messing around I found that the zip: URL makes konqueror crash
[10:08] <yuma> fdoving: I don't know if it's a bug or something I did
[10:09] <LjL> ubuntu: i use "sudo -i" when i *really* need to do lots of stuff as root, or when i need redirects. otherwise, it's probably better to just use plain sudo, to avoid staying root for longer than needed
[10:09] <fdoving> yuma: try searching http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[10:09] <LjL> xdemon: basically, yes
[10:09] <mikeraz> yuma:  what about just opening the folder that contains the zip and double clicking on it?
[10:09] <yuma> mikeraz: it opens ark
[10:09] <ubuntu> so could i install kubuntu on a 2.14 gig hard drive???
[10:09] <ubuntu> while my 160 gig sata is being RMA's
[10:09] <ubuntu> RMA'd
[10:09] <yuma> fdoving: I've search about gwenview and nothing
[10:10] <LjL> ubuntu: uhm... sounds a bit small, but off hand i think it should fit
[10:10] <ubuntu> alright
[10:10] <ubuntu> just so i dont have to use live cd
[10:10] <mikeraz> yuma:  and ark shows you the contents of the zip file?
[10:10] <yuma> mikeraz: yes
[10:10] <fdoving> yuma: please post a bugreport. then others can confirm/reject your problem.
[10:11] <mikeraz> Anyone know about my desktop switching issue?
[10:11] <hoboi> yuma also try opening it in a konsole window using unzip
[10:11] <yuma> hoboi: I'll try and report
[10:12] <yuma> fdoving: I'm new in posting bugs, so I wanted someone to tell me to report a bug :)
[10:12] <xdemon> oh
[10:12] <hoboi> yuma first try  unzip -l FILENAME to see if it can even read it
[10:12] <xdemon> kubuntu really nice
[10:12] <xdemon> oh
[10:13] <xdemon> TOO MANY PACKAGES ^)
[10:13] <yuma> hoboi: it reads
[10:13] <fdoving> yuma: did you try the "To enable Konqueror to open tar and zip files:" command from http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror ?
[10:13] <yuma> hoboi: and it extracts it
[10:14] <fdoving> yuma: i can open and view images inside .zip files in my gwenview.
[10:14] <yuma> fdoving: I think that's what you should do to enable that behavior by default, but using zip:// it's the same, right?
[10:15] <yuma> fdoving: I'm not convinced that this installation is broken, so I don't what to do something risky
[10:15] <hoboi> yuma: then the problem is not  zip/unzip
[10:15] <DarkWizzard> hello all
[10:15] <DarkWizzard> I'm desperate
[10:15] <fdoving> yuma: yes, zip:/home/user/zipfile.zip/
[10:15] <yuma> I tried
[10:16] <DarkWizzard> my Kubuntu wont start I can hardly boot it up in recovery mode
[10:16] <DarkWizzard> but it segfaults on mkdir :((
[10:16] <DarkWizzard> tryed replacing the file
[10:16] <xdemon> karamba
[10:16] <DarkWizzard> but did not fix it
[10:16] <DarkWizzard> I can bring eth0 up
[10:16] <xdemon> is karamba included in default kubuntu distro?
[10:16] <DarkWizzard> but no net
[10:16] <DarkWizzard> xdemon i think it isn't
[10:17] <eean> ok, any idea why when I install postgresql it doesn't create a /etc/postgresql?
[10:17] <eean> is there some flag I need to set?
[10:17] <xdemon> apt-get install karamba ? ^)
[10:17] <hoboi> yuma  then enable kon to use zip  not sure how as i never use gui for those ops
[10:17] <DarkWizzard> super-karamba ?
[10:17] <eean> when I reinstall postgresql
[10:17] <DarkWizzard> man
[10:17] <DarkWizzard> does anyone have any ideea ?
[10:17] <DarkWizzard> I'm under WINDOWS
[10:17] <DarkWizzard> this is hell
[10:17] <mabreaux> it is in the media but said mount only,  and when I try is claims it is already mounted to /dev/fd0.
[10:18] <xdemon> how i can install superkaramba?
[10:18] <DarkWizzard> err ?
[10:18] <mabreaux> will not let me umount it even with sudo
[10:18] <DarkWizzard> xdemon
[10:18] <xdemon> yes
[10:18] <DarkWizzard> sudo apt-cache search karamba
[10:18] <DarkWizzard> find the packet
[10:18] <xdemon> ok
[10:18] <DarkWizzard> and apt-get install it
[10:18] <yuma> hoboi: you have to do something special to enable konq to use zip?
[10:18] <xdemon> i m novice in linux
[10:18] <DarkWizzard> man
[10:18] <xdemon> and 14 years old
[10:18] <yuma> hoboi: I thought you could access via the kioslave
[10:18] <DarkWizzard> anyone any ideea how can I get the net to work under kubuntu
[10:19] <DarkWizzard> my system is broken
[10:19] <xdemon> use achronis ")
[10:19] <hoboi> yuma  not sure I am a command line jockey never set it in kon, only in  moz and firefox someone here should know though
[10:20] <hoboi> someone tell yuma how to set up konqueror to open zip files
[10:20] <fdoving> DarkWizzard: find some error messages, describe your setup, etc. it's impossible for us to guess what's wrong with your setup without any information about it. And please use more than one word on each line. I prefer to read from left to right, not from top to bottom.
[10:21] <vm> LjL after installing the VMware player it needs *.vmx configuration file. hot install kubuntu?
[10:21] <mabreaux> has any one had any luck installing mplayer on kubuntu?
[10:21] <LjL> vm: yes, that's where you need www.easyvmx.com
[10:21] <fdoving> mabreaux: yes, works perfectly.
[10:21] <fdoving> !mplayer
[10:21] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[10:21] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[10:21] <fdoving> !info mplayer
[10:21] <ubotu> mplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 3265 kB, installed size 7916 kB
[10:22] <fdoving> mabreaux: it's in the multiverse repository.
[10:23] <mabreaux> will it play commercial dvd"s
[10:23] <vm> LjL ubuntu in www.easyvmx.com works ok as kubuntu?
[10:23] <fdoving> mabreaux: if you need help adding the multiverse repository go to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:23] <fdoving> !dvd > mabreaux
[10:23] <LjL> vm: yup. don't be fooled by the names... ubuntu and kubuntu are essentially the same distribution.
[10:23] <Film905> !codecs
[10:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:23] <LjL> vm: just, one comes with Gnome, the other with KDE
[10:23] <MotorCityMadMan> what command do i use to look at open and used ports ?
[10:24] <DarkWizzard> netstat ?
[10:24] <DarkWizzard> man
[10:24] <DarkWizzard> can anyone help me ?
[10:24] <fdoving> MotorCityMadMan: i prefer: 'netstat -lpnAinet'  you can also use 'lsof -i'
[10:25] <fdoving> DarkWizzard: can you provide some more info please? it's impossible to help you if you don't give us some info about your setup.
[10:25] <MotorCityMadMan> fdoving: thank you
[10:25] <hoboi> yuma:
[10:25] <douglas> I just upgraded to edgy... kerborked!
[10:25] <douglas> I'm using bitchx :)
[10:25] <hoboi> yuma you there
[10:26] <douglas> good thing I know how to use iwconfig, links, and bitchx
[10:26] <eean> when reinstalling a package (postgresql) it doesn't re-create /etc and /var files. How do I get it to do so?
[10:27] <Emigre> Hello.
[10:27] <Hellvie> hey, how can i change run level with init command? it dosent seem to respond...
[10:27] <xdemon> err... one question
[10:27] <DarkWizzard> init 0
[10:27] <hoboi> init  N
[10:27] <xdemon> NVIDIA drivers
[10:27] <Hellvie> 0?
[10:28] <DarkWizzard> try it
[10:28] <Hellvie> shouldnt be 3?
[10:28] <DarkWizzard> fdoving :
[10:28] <mabreaux> I tried apt-get for mplayer and it claims that there is nothing there
[10:28] <DarkWizzard> My system worked fine
[10:28] <DarkWizzard> now mkdir segfaults
[10:28] <hoboi> init level depends on whre you want to go what level
[10:28] <DarkWizzard> and it fails
[10:28] <Hellvie> and whats the init for X?
[10:28] <fdoving> DarkWizzard: more words per line thank you very much.
[10:28] <DarkWizzard> in preparing restricted drivers
[10:28] <Hellvie> 5?
[10:28] <DarkWizzard> and in configuring the network interface
[10:28] <fdoving> Hellvie: 2
[10:29] <Hellvie> ok
[10:29] <Hellvie> thanks
[10:29] <hoboi> init 5  is  Xwindows level   init 3 is  konsole level
[10:29] <Hellvie> hoboi: i know
[10:29] <vm> LjL - thanks, i`m installing kubuntu on vmware player
[10:29] <Hellvie> but it doesnt work :)
[10:29] <xdemon> webmin...
[10:29] <DarkWizzard> how can I get internet to work ?
[10:29] <soulrider> uhm, anyone got any iedas of why some apps are refusing to run as root ?
[10:29] <soulrider> theyre not even prompting for my pass
[10:29] <soulrider> DarkWizzard: what kind of connection ?
[10:30] <hoboi> what  doesnt work  5 or 3 or nothing  do runlevel and see where you are at
[10:30] <hoboi> first value is where you came from  last  value is where you are at
[10:31] <DarkWizzard> cabke
[10:31] <DarkWizzard> cable
[10:31] <soulrider> sorry i dotn ahvea  cable connection, cant help you
[10:31] <soulrider> have you tried reading the wiki pages ?
[10:31] <LjL> vm: well, let me know how it goes. i got a few distros running without problems on the vmware player -- although i never actually got *ubuntu* running there, since i have that as my own OS ;)
[10:32] <soulrider> LjL: any ideas of why kdesu wont work for me anymore ?
[10:32] <LjL> soulrider: conversely, sudo work?
[10:32] <LjL> works
[10:32] <soulrider> it does
[10:33] <soulrider> if i do kdesu konqueror in run command
[10:33] <soulrider> nothing happens
[10:33] <soulrider> sudo konqueror will work though
[10:33] <soulrider> also, i dont know why i cant run krusader in root mode anymore
[10:34] <LjL> soulrider: dunno, i don't even really use it often at all... does kdesu alone give you the normal "type --help if you don't know what you're doing" response?
[10:34] <crazy_penguin> sudo krusader
[10:34] <crazy_penguin> or kdesu krusader
[10:34] <vm> LjL where is there virtual disk on my pc?
[10:35] <soulrider> uhm
[10:35] <soulrider> let me check
[10:35] <Dr_willis> virtual disk?
[10:35] <LjL> vm: where you put it when you decompressed that .zip file from easyvmx.com
[10:35] <soulrider> yea
[10:35] <soulrider> it does
[10:35] <LjL> vm: the default for vmware is to search in My Documents/My Virtual Machines, or something
[10:35] <fdoving> soulrider: try to run 'sudo -k' and try kdesu again.
[10:36] <soulrider> i did, and it didnt open konqueror
[10:36] <soulrider> i did
[10:36] <soulrider> sudo -k
[10:36] <soulrider> kdesu konqueror
[10:36] <LjL> soulrider: what about  kdesu -c "konqueror"?
[10:37] <soulrider> nope
[10:37] <soulrider> i dont even get prompted for my pass
[10:37] <vm> LjL - will i be able to move that file later?
[10:37] <eean> when reinstalling a package (postgresql) it doesn't re-create /etc and /var files. How do I get it to do so?
[10:37] <soulrider> the output int he console suggetsts its open, but i dont see anything
[10:37] <fdoving> eean: what's the package name?
[10:37] <LjL> vm: uhm, i think so, but you'll probably have to tell VMWare where to find it again
[10:38] <vm> ok
[10:38] <Dr_willis> Proberly best to not run graphical file mnagers like tht as root. :P
[10:38] <LjL> soulrider: what about kdesu -c "echo hello"?
[10:38] <Dr_willis> sudo mc  :)
[10:38] <vm> LjL and if i made this file on partition 20GB and the virtual disk is set also on 20GB then what?
[10:39] <eean> fdoving: postgresql-8.1
[10:39] <fdoving> eean: postgresql is just a meta-package depending on the rest of the postgresql packages. try to run 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall postgresql-8.1'
[10:39] <soulrider> i gett he outpu i got as if i was opening any other app
[10:39] <LjL> vm: normally, the virtual drive will be 0 bytes long (or almost). it will only get filled as you start actually filling it, so no worries -- at least if you left the virtual drive format to the default that easyvmx gave you
[10:39] <soulrider> Dr_willis: if i dont open konqueror with root i cant view my NTFS partition
[10:39] <soulrider> i used to be able before i switched to edgy, but not now
[10:40] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  why not mount them so users can view the parttions
[10:40] <LjL> soulrider: does it not print hello?
[10:40] <soulrider> it doesnt
[10:40] <Dr_willis> the ins and outs of editing fstab :P fun
[10:40] <eean> fdoving: yes, I haven't been doing anything with plain postgresql
[10:40] <soulrider> Dr_willis: it used to work before
[10:40] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  and i am guessing the fstab entry has been changed...
[10:40] <soulrider> wtf?! like 3 windows opened prompting for my pass
[10:40] <Dr_willis> so fix the fstab. :P
[10:40] <soulrider> for opening krusader!
[10:40] <LjL> soulrider: i'm at a loss... do you have anything in /tmp/buildd?
[10:40] <Dr_willis> lol
[10:41] <soulrider> O.O
[10:41] <soulrider> i opened them
[10:41] <soulrider> like 10 misn ago
[10:41] <soulrider> literally
[10:41] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:41] <fdoving> eean: ok.
[10:41] <soulrider> wtf is ahppening :P
[10:41] <Dr_willis> welcome to 'edgy'
[10:41] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:41] <vm> LjL - installing kubuntu even on vm is part of me in open source propaganda, friends will see etc. :D
[10:42] <soulrider> lol
[10:42] <soulrider> it used to work before
[10:42] <soulrider> perfectly well
[10:42] <soulrider> and now it doesnt
[10:42] <soulrider> even on edgy
[10:42] <soulrider> it worked well
[10:42] <fdoving> eean: you can always try to purge it, and reinstall. 'sudo apt-get --purge remove postgresql-8.1;sudo apt-get install postgresql-8.1'
[10:42] <LjL> vm: well, hopefully you'll install it on a partition at a later stage ;)
[10:42] <vm> LjL who knows
[10:43] <soulrider> LjL: i dont have a /tmp/buildd folder
[10:43] <LjL> soulrider: ok. me neither, but i saw that kdesu is using that directory for temporarily building some .cpp files (?!? yeah, really)
[10:44] <LjL> at least it looks so by the output
[10:44] <doppelganger_> argh, anyone know why everytime i goto "desktops" and create 4 desktops, hit apply, then look again and it goes back to 1?
[10:44] <eean> fdoving: that appears to have done it. now The post-install stuff errors out :/
[10:44] <eean> but its a start
[10:44] <soulrider> but its weird
[10:44] <soulrider> cause allways when i start my comp
[10:44] <soulrider> rpppoek runs wiuth kdesu
[10:44] <soulrider> and it doesnt give me any problems
[10:45] <kelvin> hello world
[10:47] <soulrider> so any ideas on how to fix this kdesu issue ?
[10:47] <soulrider> ok
[10:47] <LjL> soulrider: honestly - no
[10:47] <soulrider> i just oepned run command
[10:47] <soulrider> typed kdesu konqueror
[10:47] <soulrider> and the windows appeared instantly
[10:47] <soulrider> this is insane
[10:47] <eean> fdoving: thanks your a lifesaver :)
[10:48] <LjL> soulrider: uhm... i suppose you weren't running kdesu from a *root shell*, were you? =)
[10:48] <vm> LjL - one thing is strange. when i don`t have configured audio on windows, there is also no in vm
[10:48] <soulrider> errr
[10:48] <soulrider> i think i was lol
[10:48] <soulrider> >.<
[10:48] <LjL> vm: uhm, that doesn't strike me a strange, if i understood what you said
[10:49] <LjL> soulrider: aha :-P
[10:49] <LjL> soulrider: guess it said "kdesu: cannot connect to X server" then
[10:49] <vm> LjL do you eat frogs?
[10:49] <soulrider> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 170
[10:49] <soulrider> but it allways sais that
[10:49] <LjL> vm ... not on a daily basis i suppose...
[10:49] <soulrider> when i open ANY app
[10:50] <LjL> soulrider: yeah, i get that too, that's ok, i think it's the wacom tablet (or whatever it is) that's configured into your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:50] <magical_trevsky> does anyone know why the kweather panel applet always reports 'station not found'? :(
[10:50] <beavis_> mp3?
[10:51] <Dr_willis> magical_trevsky,  set up a station yet? it may be having connection issues.
[10:51] <twenty2sixty> hi! anyone here who already upgraded from dapper to edgy? I'd like to know if you encountered any problems after the dist-upgrade.
[10:51] <Hawkwind> !baddevice > soulrider
[10:51] <LjL> !edgy
[10:51] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[10:51] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  that can be due to the touchpad/wacom tablet in the xorg.conf file
[10:51] <Hawkwind> soulrider: Read what the bot just pm'd you.  I've got the fix for that on my LFD forums
[10:51] <beavis_> !wireless
[10:51] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:52] <jo3y> I'm brand new to ubuntu :(
[10:52] <vm> LjL - if i will install kubuntu for real i will make him the one and only os, i don`t like grub etc. you know what i mean
[10:52] <magical_trevsky> Dr_willis, I've tried lots of different stations, do you know if it generates a log anywhere?
[10:52] <LjL> vm: uhm... actually you *will* need to use Grub, even if you make Ubuntu your only OS
[10:52] <soulrider> k, thanks!
[10:52] <LjL> vm: the Linux kernel can only be loaded via a bootloader -- in the case of Ubuntu, that's Grub
[10:53] <Dr_willis> magical_trevsky,  what country? :)
[10:54] <magical_trevsky> Dr_willis, united kingdom
[10:54] <Dr_willis> magical_trevsky,  let me try the applet
[10:54] <Admiral_Chicago> beavis_, what about mp3
[10:54] <magical_trevsky> ok :)
[10:54] <soulrider> Hawkwind: can i geta  link to your forums ?
[10:54] <soulrider> nevermind
[10:54] <Dr_willis> I dont even have a weather applet i can put in the panel
[10:54] <magical_trevsky> sudo aptitude install kweather
[10:54] <jo3y> does apache come preinstalled on ubuntu?
[10:54] <soulrider> ill brb
[10:54] <Hawkwind> soulrider: Heh, the bot pm'd you with it :)
[10:55] <LjL> jo3y: no
[10:55] <soulrider> yea, sorry
[10:55] <LjL> !tell jo3y about lamp
[10:55] <beavis_> Admiral_Chicago, nothing i was just testin couse i forgot the ! command and tried to figure out what it was
[10:55] <jo3y> thank you ljl
[10:55] <vm> LjL - internet works on my vmwared kubuntu without need of installation :-O good point: more time to spend on real linux learning, minus point: the man who will see that in vmware there is no need of internet installation will be shocked when it will come to install kubuntu for real
[10:55] <beavis_> Admiral_Chicago, i need to know how to get wpa tkip to work with the wireless connection
[10:56] <LjL> vm: well, if he has an ethernet DSL router, for instance, setting up the network should be a joke
[10:56] <LjL> vm: it *can* get a bit more complicated with wireless or USB modems/routers, or something
[10:56] <Blacken> Anyone know how to get an IBM ThinkPad R60's keyboard layout working on Linux? KDE doesn't seem to have defaults for it, I've Googled around, and am looking for a scheme to download.
[10:57] <Dr_willis> heh - its still not showing up.
[10:59] <Dr_willis> there we go.
[11:00] <Dr_willis> magical_trevsky,  i think the applet is broke.
[11:00] <magical_trevsky> oh, ok :(
[11:00] <magical_trevsky> do you know of any alternatives?
[11:01] <Dr_willis> its aprently not getting to connect.
[11:01] <claydoh> what's broken?
[11:01] <Dr_willis> kweather applet
[11:01] <claydoh> ahh
[11:01] <vm> kubuntu on vmware works preety fast
[11:02] <claydoh> the applet always works fine in Kontact's summary view, but the panel applet sometimes does not work, sometimes it did after a reboot, but I never looled into how/why as I SELDOM USE IT
[11:02] <claydoh> oops
[11:02] <vm> ok. i`m on kubuntu :D
[11:03] <Hawkwind> magical_trevsky: Have you tried adding a second station then seeing if that one or the original one works after that ?  I know this was an issue before on several distros
[11:03] <magical_trevsky> i'll give it a go, thanks :D
[11:05] <vm> LjL , man, internet via router really rox
[11:06] <Arlington> hi
[11:07] <magical_trevsky> Hawkwind, I can get kweatherreport to work from a terminal now, but the applet still doesn't do anything :(
[11:07] <vm> LjL how to set vmware to display the ratio 1:1?
[11:07] <LjL> vm: uh? i'm not sure why it wouldn't do that by default
[11:08] <soulrider> Hawkwind: i really dont get what it is that i gotta comment out
[11:09] <soulrider> ahh, i get it now
[11:09] <soulrider> dont worry :P
[11:10] <magical_trevsky> oooh, yay, found a fix http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=446240
[11:11] <soulrider> time to reboot X
[11:11] <mabreaux> many thanks on the information on libcssread3....  fixed the problem
[11:11] <yuma> well, now I can see that gwenview doesn't display the zip files in the browser
[11:12] <yuma> does anyone know if it's a bug of the 6.10?
[11:12] <yuma> I don't know what to think... if it's a bug in kio_tar or something about gwenview
[11:12] <vm> LjL i`m quite good in linux + vmware = weee :D
[11:12] <micha_> hallo jemand hier der deutsch spr.?
[11:12] <LjL> !de
[11:12] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:14] <proger> hi all. :) how do I get info about my processor, i dont know what archetecture it has 32 or 64? :)
[11:14] <yuma> proger: maybe cat /proc/cpuinfo
[11:14] <zorglu_> proger: "cat /proc/cpuinfo
[11:14] <zorglu_> yep like he said :)
[11:14] <proger> tnxguys
[11:14] <yuma> proger: but you must know what kind of arch you have!!
[11:15] <yuma> proger: at least if it's 32 or 64 bits :)
[11:15] <Hawkwind> It amazes me how many don't seem to know if they have 32 or 64Bit processors
[11:16] <vm> LjL i can`t find the function for ratio 1:1 , i will spend on vmwared kubuntu a quite lot of time
[11:16] <proger> :) i was so exited by the fact that ihave the brand new Intel 4 (instead of my Celeren 466), that suchthings where unsignicant :)
[11:16] <bleaked> Hawkwind: generally if they don't know, one is almost always safe to assume  32 bit
[11:16] <proger> :)
[11:16] <Hawkwind> bleaked: Yep, that is usually the case
[11:16] <LjL> vm: what resolution do you have set on windows?
[11:16] <vm> 1280x1024
[11:17] <LjL> vm: (note that, AFAIK, vmware player can't change resolution)
[11:17] <LjL> vm: well, then if the Ubuntu resolution is set to a different value (but i think it should be set to 1280x1024....), try changing it to that
[11:18] <Sanne> proger: there's also a gui tool in Kmenu/System/KInfoCenter
[11:18] <vm> LjL - bingo
[11:18] <thomas_> Hi!
[11:18] <thomas_> How do I configure a TVcard in kubuntu?
[11:19] <proger> yeah thanx,  i know that but info that I got hasnt clarified my question, cpuinfo too :(
[11:19] <thomas_> I know how to do it in CLI, but isn't there a wizard?
[11:19] <coreymon77> hello?
[11:19] <vm> LjL now look great
[11:19] <LjL> cool
[11:20] <coreymon77> guys?
[11:20] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: ?
[11:20] <coreymon77> okay
[11:20] <coreymon77> something was laggin alot
[11:21] <coreymon77> so i just wanted to know if it was working
[11:21] <coreymon77> answer now
[11:21] <coreymon77> just to check
[11:21] <coreymon77> now
[11:21] <zorglu_> coreymon77: you demand it ?
[11:21] <coreymon77> thanks
[11:21] <coreymon77> that answers my question
[11:21] <coreymon77> thanks
[11:22] <thomas_> Noone ever set up a tvcard with a gui? Obviously there is none...
[11:22] <coreymon77> for some reason i was getting 5 minute lag
[11:22] <coreymon77> but thats over now
[11:22] <zorglu_> coreymon77: no reason not to stay nice
[11:23] <Sanne> proger: I think KInfoCenter just uses /proc/cpuinfo anyway and puts it pretty...
[11:23] <yuma> I'm having a problem with gwenview, it doesn't show the zip files
[11:23] <vm> LjL when i will donor blood on 26th october (in the day of edgy eft) i will surely think also of you :D
[11:23] <coreymon77> sorry about that
[11:23] <yuma> I think it's something about the kio_tar but I'm not sure
[11:23] <yuma> someone has the same problem
[11:23] <yuma> I'm using the 6.10 beta
[11:24] <LjL> =)
[11:24] <zorglu_> yuma: have you tried #ubuntu+1 ?
[11:24] <Hawkwind> yuma: Have you talked to the guys in #Ubuntu+1 which is the Edgy channel ?
[11:24] <proger> Sanne: yeah same info byboth tools
[11:24] <yuma> woah, sorry, I didn't know that that channel existed
[11:24] <yuma> I'm going to ask them, thanks :)
[11:25] <Sanne> proger: doesn't the line after model name give you any clues? Mine says AMD Athlon(tm) 64.
[11:26] <proger> Sanne: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz - likely I have 32, fine forme :)
[11:26] <miguel> alguien habla espaol??
[11:27] <eds01> how do i mount my windoze partition?
[11:27] <Sanne> proger: dunno, but I tend to think also 32bit, as I expect 64bit to be mentioned explicitely. But that's just a guess.
[11:27] <zorglu_> !es
[11:27] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:27] <zorglu_> !ntfs
[11:27] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[11:28] <proger> eds01: did you checked /media directory?
[11:28] <zorglu_> eds01: look at the above link
[11:28] <eds01> it say's its not in the fstab
[11:28] <miguel> yuma de donde eres?
[11:29] <miguel> yo soy nuevo en esto y ando perdido
[11:29] <zorglu_> !es
[11:29] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:29] <zorglu_> miguel: it is for you. we speak only english here
[11:29] <eds01> thanks
[11:30] <proger> zorglu_: at least we trying to :)
[11:30] <zorglu_> proger: hey better than nothing :)
[11:30] <Hellvie> Hey, why any media like movies or mp3 simplly dont work? mp3 are silent and movies are black screens and the time line is moving very quickly
[11:30] <zorglu_> !mp3
[11:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:30] <zorglu_> Hellvie: this is for you
[11:31] <yuma> ubotu knows everything!
[11:31] <Hellvie> thankies
[11:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about knows everything! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:31] <proger> Hellvie: did youtrued Automatix? It just gret
[11:31] <zorglu_> Hellvie: the reason of why they dont work out of the box, is a matter of legal stuff
[11:31] <Hellvie> oh
[11:32] <LjL> !ops
[11:32] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatric, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak or Hawkwind
[11:32] <LjL> !ops
[11:32] <LjL> !ops
[11:32] <LjL> come to #ubuntu
[11:32] <zorglu_> ljl ?
[11:33] <LjL> zorglu_: we need operators in #ubuntu. badly.
[11:33] <Hawkwind> LjL: You should trigger that in #Ubuntu
[11:33] <Hawkwind> LjL: And I don't have ops in #Ubuntu :(
[11:33] <LjL> Hawkwind: i've tried. multiple times
[11:33] <LjL> oh, ok, nalioth has come to the rescue
[11:33] <zorglu_> always lurking :)
[11:34] <yuma> there's no kubuntu+1?
[11:34] <Sanne> proger: then again, maybe it's 64bit after all (didn't read too closely though): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4
[11:34] <Hawkwind> yuma: #Ubuntu+1
[11:35] <nalioth> yuma: #ubuntu+1 covers Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu and the others
[11:35] <yuma> thanks
[11:38] <proger> Sanne: Ctrl+F (64-17matches found) (32-1 match) :)
[11:39] <Sanne> proger: hehe... but there's some references to amd64, so your number may be not so convincing :)
[11:40] <cesar> hi
[11:40] <bleaked> argh.. late last night i ran an update/upgrade (dapper-security).  since it updated my kernel, and i had just bought a new keyboard, i decided to shutdown, then power on.  when i booted the system, i see the POST, followed by a text msg, "PRESS A KEY TO REBOOT".  now, to me, this says that the bios either cannot see the drive it needs to boot from, or something is wrong with grub.  so could someone please recommend my next step?
[11:40] <proger> i guess you spent more time for reading this site, than me, Iwant to believe that I have 32 b versionbecause I just downloaded some big package for it:)
[11:42] <Sanne> proger: hmmm, if it's the same like with amd64, you would be able to run 32bit on it... but *if* it's really 64bit, you might not want to.
[11:42] <claydoh> bleaked: if you are getting a post message, then you haven't made it to grub yet
[11:42] <claydoh> so it is a bios or hardware problem
[11:42] <bleaked> claydoh: well, is that in fact a post message?
[11:42] <claydoh> most likely
[11:43] <claydoh> the bios can't load something, I think
[11:43] <bleaked> claydoh: a close friend suggested my cmos battery might be dying or something..
[11:44] <claydoh> could be
[11:44] <bleaked> claydoh: something definitely seems up.. i'm even having trouble loading the kubuntu livecd i have.  and this really sucks, it was its first reboot since april.. argh..
[11:45] <Dr_willis> thats a lot of uptime. :)
[11:45] <bleaked> yea, good box, good os
[11:45] <claydoh> hmm try plugging the old KB back in?
[11:45] <proger> Sanne: if i will fail again in installation of video driver, than it will still be hopet hat I will successed byusing 64 bit package:)
[11:46] <claydoh> is it a USB kb, the new one?
[11:46] <bleaked> claydoh: well, i tried that once last night... and i'm doubtful that it's the keyboard, since i'm typing from it now..
[11:46] <bleaked> both are ps/2
[11:46] <claydoh> I think some bios need to be set up to see a USB KB during bootup, not sure tho
[11:46] <claydoh> kk
[11:46] <Sanne> proger: that I really don't know. I just installed 64bit Kubuntu and it worked fine, other than that... I wish you best of luck :)
[11:47] <proger> Sanne: I ll need it
[11:48] <bleaked> claydoh: yea.. i'm really not sure on this one...  it's quite frustrating.  also, i'm scoured the bios options, there aren't much and they all look fine.
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> hey all
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> how do I add a gateway with ifconfig ?
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> in the command line
[11:57] <Dr_willis> i though thats what the route command did
[11:57] <DarkWizzard> err
[11:57] <DarkWizzard> how ?
[11:57] <Dr_willis> the route command sets the gateway and otuer routing options.. ive rarely had to use it by itself.
[11:58] <Dr_willis> route  [-v]  [-A family]  add [-net|-host]  target [netmask Nm]  [gw Gw]  [metric N]  [mss M]  [window W]  [irtt I] 
[11:58] <Dr_willis>  route add default gw mango-gw
[11:58] <DarkWizzard> ok
[11:58] <DarkWizzard> thank you
[11:59] <Dr_willis> amazing whats in the man pages.....
[11:59] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:59] <fdoving> ip is nice too. does everything for you. gateways, and all.
[11:59] <fdoving> ip route via :)
[11:59] <Dr_willis> i cant recall ever using the ip command
[12:00] <Dr_willis> ip - show / manipulate routing, devices, policy routing and tunnels
[12:00] <LjL> interesting.
[12:00] <LjL> and scary
[12:00] <Dr_willis> ip route
[12:00] <Dr_willis> 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.1.101
[12:01] <Dr_willis> default via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0
[12:01] <fdoving> Dr_willis: it's very powerfull :)
[12:02] <thunderstorm> hi everyone
[12:02] <thunderstorm> thunderstorm from germany is back ;)