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[12:20] <keescook> man, I am so glad that ffmpeg isn't internal to xine anymore.  :P
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[12:27] <sfllaw> mdz: The cpio thing will probably be done Sunday.  It looks like the LSB install is taking a while in vmware.
[12:27] <mdz> sfllaw: ok
[12:31] <jdong|am164> jdong: ha! you'll never turn me off!
[12:31] <jdong|am164> jdong: come down to the basement... shut me off... come on... I'm waiting....
[12:32] <jdong|am164> jdong: what's that? arthritis? can't walk? HA!
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[12:40] <Chipzz> is there a sane way to see why apt would pull in a shitload of packages when upgrading one packages?
[12:41] <Chipzz> like debug what apt thinks?
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[12:59] <mvo> Chipzz: try "apt-get install -o Debug::pkgDepCache::AutoInstall=true"
[01:00] <Chipzz> mvo: thx
[01:01] <mvo> Chipzz: if that does not work try: -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true in additon to the other one
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[01:15] <martii> hi
[01:17] <martii> looks like network-admin is broken?
[01:17] <martii> latest edgy and pre beta are unable to save gateway information
[01:20] <minghua> martii: have you tried beta yet?
[01:20] <minghua> martii: and is there a bug opened?
[01:21] <martii> minghua: I've just updated to beta
[01:21] <martii> minghua: no change
[01:21] <martii> minghua: network profiles are useless now
[01:22] <martii> minghua: I found this bug on launchpad but it seems problem still exists
[01:24] <minghua> martii: please add a comment to the bug that beta still has the problem, and anything you think useful for fixing the bug
[01:29] <martii> minghua: I'll do
[01:33] <AlinuxOS> martii, I agree too...for me it's the same :(
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[01:47] <mc44> hmm was there an email to ubuntu-devel-announce about the beta release I missed?
[01:48] <ajmitch> mc44: it was on ubuntu-announce
[01:48] <mc44> ajmitch, aha! not subscribed to that :-/
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[01:52] <Viper550> Noticed no one was responding in ubuntu-artwork, so I thought I'd pimp my new Usplash theme here
[01:52] <Viper550> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/Viper550
[01:53] <tseng> does it really need the old theme showing through behind the circle
[01:54] <Viper550> old theme? No, that's part of the new wallpaper, it's like a portal to the future
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[02:14] <jdong> grr... sorry about the cruft from jdong|amd64 earlier... my friends are such asses....
[02:31] <AlinuxOS> martii, do you filed this network-admin bug ?
[02:37] <BenC> who handles the livecd initrd's?
[02:40] <BenC> anyone know why an ide driver, which is in the ide-modules udeb would not be on the desktop cd's initrd?
[02:40] <tseng> BenC: tfheen is the cd build master
[02:41] <tseng> and not likely to be awake
[02:41] <BenC> tfheen: ping
[02:43] <BenC> filed a bug on casper, hopefully that takes care of it
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[03:33] <lritter> <minghua> lritter: what is bci hinting?
[03:33] <lritter> <lritter> byte code interpreted hinting
[03:33] <lritter> <lritter> some fonts contain information on how to correct pixels on lower resolutions
[03:33] <lritter> <lritter> such as the ms core fonts
[03:33] <lritter> minghua: the technique is licenced by apple, but can be turned on
[03:33] <lritter> minghua: it used to be enabled by default, and it is enabled on the 6.06 live cd
[03:34] <minghua> lritter: yeah, I know what bytecode hinting is
[03:34] <minghua> sorry I was checking for something
[03:34] <lritter> minghua: but with one of the last system updates, autohinting was being turned on, which tries to circumvent the patent by "guessing" correct pixel spots - which makes the fonts look nowhere similar to what they should look like
[03:34] <minghua> lritter: show your result of "debconf-show fontconfig-config"
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[03:38] <lritter> minghua: wait, i upload a screenshot
[03:38] <lritter> minghua: it shows the settings and also the font appearance
[03:40] <lritter> minghua: http://www.leonard-ritter.com/files/images/tahoma_not_native.png
[03:40] <lritter> minghua: as you see, the font is supposed to be tahoma
[03:41] <lritter> minghua: i set it to full hinting and no antialiasing to dramatize the effect
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[03:41] <minghua> lritter: that looks like bytecode hinting to me
[03:41] <lritter> minghua: it isnt
[03:41] <minghua> what is the result you want?
[03:41] <lritter> minghua: it is typical autohinting. if it was bytecode, it would look like tahoma
[03:41] <lritter> minghua: sec, i'll try to find a sample
[03:42] <minghua> and I would like to see a screenshot with anti-aliasing
[03:42] <lritter> okay
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[03:42] <minghua> lritter: also please show your gnome font setting (Desktop -> Preferences -> Font)
[03:44] <lritter> minghua: http://www.leonard-ritter.com/files/images/tahoma_antialiased_autohinting.png
[03:46] <lritter> minghua: as you can see, distances between letters are messed up
[03:46] <lritter> minghua: i'm trying to find a screenshot with proper hinting of tahoma
[03:46] <minghua> lritter: so that's the only thing you don't like?
[03:46] <lritter> "the only thing"
[03:46] <minghua> lritter: not the shape of the characters, but the inter-character distances?
[03:47] <lritter> no, that is one of the features that show most closely how much it diverges from the original
[03:47] <lritter> the shape is also nowhere what it should be
[03:47] <theCore> bug 58511
[03:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58511 in firefox "[edgy Knot-2 CD]  firefox's fonts are uglified (not antialiased)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58511
[03:47] <lritter> the same goes for verdana, segoe ui, consolas, and a lot of other fonts
[03:47] <lritter> theCore: thats a different issue
[03:47] <lritter> theCore: i looked it up as well
[03:48] <theCore> lritter,  I know, but I thought it was relevant to point it out
[03:48] <lritter> minghua: i could try booting a live cd in the vm and do a few screenshots there, that should make it apparent.
[03:48] <minghua> lritter: I don't suppose the live CD uses Tahoma font?
[03:48] <lritter> true, but it uses bitstream sans vera, which also looks entirely different
[03:49] <lritter> with bci rendering, that is
[03:49] <lritter> i was thinking about switching back to an earlier version of freetype
[03:49] <lritter> but that breaks dependencies
[03:50] <lritter> minghua: i can also quickly copy tahoma on it to show it
[03:50] <minghua> lritter: I don't know what shape you are looking for, but as for the spacing, it's a know issue, and strictly speaking it's kerning
[03:50] <minghua> bug #34178
[03:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34178 in pango "Pango kerning is bad" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34178
[03:50] <minghua> lritter: that's your bug for spacing
[03:50] <lritter> yes, that might be an issue with the autohinter, but not with bci
[03:50] <lritter> as said, with bci, everything is properly done
[03:51] <lritter> i had these errors before with arch linux and gentoo
[03:51] <lritter> and managed to sort them out myself
[03:51] <lritter> this time i'm trying to sort it out without recompiling freetype myself
[03:51] <minghua> lritter: no, that affects bytecode hinting too, read the upstream bug
[03:51] <lritter> not all apps use pango, tho.
[03:51] <minghua> lritter: that's a pango issue, not a freetype one
[03:52] <minghua> lritter: so you see the same spacing problem in KDE apps?
[03:52] <lritter> let me see.
[03:53] <minghua> lritter: and it doesn't happen in live CD because Bitstream Vera doesn't have GPOS tables in their font
[03:53] <lritter> yep, same problem
[03:53] <minghua> hmm, that's probably a different thing then
[03:53] <lritter> as i said, it is exactly what i said. :)
[03:54] <lritter> my best guess is: latest build of freetype hasn't built in bci rendering at all, which is not uncommon.
[03:54] <lritter> however i don't know how to check this. i had a look at the build package, and it patches in some defines that should enable it 
[03:55] <minghua> very uncommon in Debian land, I would say
[03:55] <lritter> its patented, still
[03:55] <minghua> Debian freetype has been having bytecode enabled for years
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[03:55] <lritter> however, i think the problems started with the same time that gnome's font setting dialogue got its performance right
[03:55] <minghua> lritter: open a bug, paste your gnome _and_ kde screenshot
[03:56] <lritter> after one update, changing smoothing or hinting had an immediate and distinctive effect. it was broken before
[03:56] <lritter> so perhaps it has got to do with the new fonts.conf
[03:56] <minghua> lritter: and I would suggest using bitstream vera or dejavu font
[03:56] <lritter> or the way this is managed
[03:56] <minghua> lritter: and maybe a live CD screenshot, too
[03:56] <lritter> minghua: i opened a bug already, i'll just add some more info.
[03:56] <lritter> minghua: thank you for your help
[03:57] <minghua> lritter: number please?  I would like to subscribe to that
[03:57] <lritter> 60760
[03:58] <minghua> lritter: thanks
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[04:30] <lritter> minghua: i added screenshots
[04:32] <minghua> lritter: with vera I see what you means now
[04:33] <minghua> lritter: it seems all the glyphs are squeezed horizontally
[04:33] <minghua> lritter: but honestly I don't think that's the result of autohinting
[04:33] <minghua> (unless autohinting has changed a lot)
[04:40] <lritter> minghua: this is more than squeezing. check the s shapes.
[04:40] <lritter> minghua: i'm right, please, just believe me :)
[04:40] <lritter> minghua: bitstream sans vera is a bad example because it looks kind of similar with both modes
[04:41] <lritter> minghua: with tahoma and similar, the effect is much more dramatic
[04:41] <minghua> lritter: okay then.  I am just talking from my pre-2.2 freetype experiences
[04:41] <minghua> lritter: oh, and as I said earlier, you should show something KDE too to show it's not the pango bug
[04:42] <minghua> lritter: and I agree with you that the glyph shapes are ugly now
[04:43] <lritter> minghua: i have a lot of experience with fonts, design, pixel graphics and so on... i'm overly sensitive to these things ;)
[04:44] <lritter> minghua: ok, let's just wait. i'm not willing to kde'ify my machine unless it is really neccessary ;)
[04:45] <infinity> slomo: brasero/ppc built.
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[04:47] <minghua> lritter: use ft-string then
[04:48] <minghua> or something similar in freetype2-demos
[04:50] <lritter> ok
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[05:05] <BHSPitLappy> hi.
[05:28] <BenC> who should I report boot/install tests for beta to?
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[06:59] <KurtKraut> should appot run with nice -5 ?
[07:00] <KurtKraut> Here it is running with +5, so, the system absolutely freezes when apport runs.
[07:03] <infinity> There, 53 queue items processed out of NEW, that should be my good deed for the weekend.
[07:03] <fabbione> infinity: i was just talking to Etienne about bzr ubuntu2 hanging on a selftest on the buildd. it doesn't happen locally.
[07:04] <fabbione> i sponsored ubuntu3 for him to disable the test but it would be good to know why it hangs
[07:04] <fabbione> infinity: if you can get sometime on monday to look at it, it would be good
[07:04] <fabbione> perhaps save ubuntu2 somewhere
[07:04] <infinity> LP will save it.
[07:04] <fabbione> oh right
[07:10] <infinity> Disabled the whole testsuite, just because of one hanging test?  That seems like overkill...
[07:13] <fabbione> infinity: yeah well he wants it that way in the meantime
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[07:14] <fabbione> but i told him to contact you to trace the hang
[07:14] <infinity> Gar, rothera is running that "hey, you don't actually want to know what's running when you type 'ps' do you?" security patch.
[07:14] <fabbione> he wants to fix it
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[07:14] <infinity> Makes it a bit tough to trace the hang.
[07:14] <fabbione> meh
[07:14] <fabbione> infinity: ask elmo to fix the kernel?
[07:14] <infinity> Could also be responsible for the hang, given that it's a wait test.. Hrm.
[07:15] <infinity> It might be trying and failing to walk process trees to wait on something.
[07:15] <Hobbsee> infinity: nice, thanks :)
[07:15] <fabbione> dunno
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[07:15] <fabbione> infinity: i don't think it needs to be fixed NOW
[07:15] <fabbione> infinity: monday or so is fine
[07:16] <infinity> Yeah, I'm just curious now.
[07:16] <fabbione> ehehe
[07:18] <infinity> I think it's hanging on test_32_lock_wait_succeed
[07:18] <infinity> Which does this:
[07:18] <infinity>         """Succeed when trying to acquire a lock that gets released
[07:18] <infinity>         One thread holds on a lock and then releases it; another 
[07:18] <infinity>         tries to lock it.
[07:18] <infinity>         """
[07:18] <infinity> Which sounds like the sort of thing this patched kernel could be responsible for blowing up...
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[07:21] <infinity> Hrm, vernadsky doesn't have that sketchy kernel, let's test a theory.
[07:22] <infinity> Oh, wait, yes it does.
[07:22] <infinity> Argh.
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[07:43] <fabbione> EtienneG: so according to infinity it might be a kernel bug. does that test rely on ps output? (or similar)
[07:43] <EtienneG> I would not know, really
[07:43] <EtienneG> we should ask the bzr guys
[07:43] <EtienneG> a kernel bug ?  Triggered from userspace ?
[07:43] <EtienneG> my my
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[07:44] <EtienneG> is this something that would reproducable locally
[07:44] <EtienneG> ?
[07:46] <fabbione> EtienneG: no, it's a "bug" due to a security patch being extremely restrictive. It's fixed in recent kernels but not on the buildd
[07:46] <EtienneG> ok, I see
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[08:57] <EtienneG> infinity, bzr just built successfully
[08:58] <EtienneG> bzrtools had failed because it build-depend on versionned bzr
[08:58] <EtienneG> do you know if it will restart automatically, or do I have something special to do ?
[08:58] <infinity> It'll retry automatically.
[08:58] <Lathiat> i think that works properrly
[08:58] <fabbione> EtienneG: shell out some money will help :P
[08:59] <infinity> It better work properly, I wrote it to do so.
[08:59] <EtienneG> cha-ching !
[08:59] <EtienneG> infinity, thanks
[08:59] <fabbione> infinity, Lathiat : you are both very cheap :P
[08:59] <infinity> Err, WTF.  It didn't dep-wait.
[08:59] <infinity> Great.
[09:00] <infinity> I wonder if I have problems with ~ versions or something.
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=== infinity puts that in his TODO, and resets the build manually.
[09:02] <EtienneG> thanks a lot
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[09:13] <EtienneG> infinity, excuse me again
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[09:14] <EtienneG> bzrtools failed to build, build-dep on bzr >= 0.11~rc1
[09:14] <EtienneG> 0.10 installed
[09:15] <EtienneG> I guess 0.11~rc2 have to been pushed all the way through yet
[09:15] <infinity> Yeah, I know.  I was kicking the build to watch the log, not because it would work. :)
[09:15] <infinity> Trying to find the word-splitting error in my regex that's making it fail on ~ versions.
[09:16] <EtienneG> ok, I see
[09:17] <infinity> Oh, hah.  I'm an idiot.
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[09:18] <EtienneG> I aspire to that level of idiocy myself !
[09:18] <infinity> Any python gurus know if ~ is a reserved character in the re module?
[09:18] <Fujitsu> infinity, if it breaks things, probably yes.
[09:19] <infinity> I'm wondering if it will, not if it has. :)
[09:19] <infinity> Oh well, only one good way to find out.
[09:23] <tfheen> BenC: pong
[09:23] <infinity> D'oh, was too late to test it. :)
[09:23] <infinity> EtienneG: It's built now, though. :P
[09:24] <EtienneG> excellent
[09:24] <EtienneG> I feel *so* much lighter
[09:28] <EtienneG> with that being said, I finally head off to sleep
[09:28] <infinity> 'Night.
[09:28] <EtienneG> have a nice week-end everybody
[09:28] <EtienneG> thanks again fabbione and infinity 
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[09:55] <slomo> infinity: thanks :)
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[10:39] <Tonio_> mdz: ping ?
[10:39] <Tonio_> hi all
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[10:40] <Tonio_> mdz: just replied to your reviews, dont be confused, kmplayer isn't an mplayer frontend (I know...... stupid)
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[12:22] <seb128> gnomefreak: thank you for not pinging me about the desktop-effects meeting yesterday :p
[12:22] <seb128> I've just be reading the logs on the wiki because I browsed the wiki logs page after catching up with ubuntu-desktop mail and a "MeetingLogs keeping them updated" mention
[12:23] <gnomefreak> seb128: i figured you were busy
[12:23] <seb128> I was not aware of the meeting
[12:23] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:23] <gnomefreak> sorry
[12:23] <seb128> and I would like to have attended
[12:23] <seb128> mjg59: please don't patch libwnck for those changes mentionned
[12:24] <seb128> I want some words with those guys who don't try to work with us and complain then they have to maintain their version of the package out of Ubuntu first
[12:24] <gnomefreak> seb128: we didnt get much done. me and dbo are gonna get together when my fever subsides and go over the notes that i took for it. 
[12:24] <seb128> "reggaemanu      and i'm tired to re-package it everytime"
[12:24] <ajmitch> seb128: I have spiftacity updated, fwiw
[12:24] <seb128> grrrr
[12:24] <gnomefreak> seb128: thats sounds fine 
[12:24] <seb128> what about contacting the maintainer?
[12:24] <seb128> instead of "re-package it everytime"
[12:24] <seb128> ajmitch: cool ;)
[12:24] <ajmitch> I haven't tested it, of course :)
[12:25] <seb128> gnomefreak: who is that reggaemanu guy?
[12:25] <gnomefreak> i dont know him but hes a beryl packager/developer  
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[12:26] <seb128> did somebody spoke to him about how people work with maintainers usually?
[12:26] <gnomefreak> seb128: i just asked DBO to enter. he knows him
[12:26] <seb128> like than mailing them is welcome
[12:26] <seb128> hi DBO
[12:26] <DBO> hi
[12:26] <seb128> let's move on #ubuntu-desktop if you are fine with it
[12:26] <seb128> better than abusing that chan ;)
[12:27] <DBO> #ubuntu-xgl you mena?
[12:27] <DBO> mean*
[12:27] <seb128> right
[12:27] <DBO> #ubuntu-desktop is already in use for the desktop team
[12:28] <DBO> and #ubuntu-xgl is a troubleshooting channel for beryl/compiz... its name is a bit... out of date now yes
[12:29] <DBO> of course you already know all this...
[12:29] <DBO> you really want to transplant all that troubleshooting in there?
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[12:29] <DBO> or am I confused about whats going on?
[12:30] <seb128> DBO: I want to speak to whoever fork the package I'm working on without trying to contact me and rant then that he's tired to repackage it everytime
[12:30] <seb128> DBO: that's not the way to work
[12:30] <DBO> you mean compiz?
[12:30] <seb128> DBO: that's making everybody waste efforts, that's suboptimal for users, that's creating extra bugs, etc
[12:31] <DBO> seb128, Im not getting a full story here
[12:31] <seb128> DBO: read #ubuntu-xgl :p
[12:31] <pitti> seb128: did your gdb upload help for the gaim/rhythmbox debugging?
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[12:32] <seb128> pitti: I don't know, it made it stop crashing on my xchat-gnome testcase
[12:32] <pitti> well, that's something
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[12:32] <seb128> pitti: gaim stopped crashing, it just DoS my box by eating over 2G of memory
[12:32] <pitti> 'just'
[12:32] <seb128> yeah :/
[12:32] <seb128> that was not apport
[12:32] <pitti> seb128: due to gdb or to gaim itself?
[12:32] <seb128> that gaim eating all the RAM and swap
[12:33] <seb128> and the 10min are the time the kernel takes to eject it
[12:33] <seb128> gaim
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[02:32] <Riddell> ogra: http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/27154.html
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[03:49] <Viper550> Does anyone not like the current Usplash theme?
[03:49] <Viper550> (on edgy)
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[03:51] <_ion> Did someone claim it's going to be the final theme, instead of just a placeholder?
[03:52] <Viper550> No, it's a placeholder, but not many people like it
[03:53] <imbrandon> this isnt the place for that disscussion though
[03:53] <Viper550> I made a nice candidate for default on my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/Viper550
[03:53] <Viper550> But...no one is in ubuntu-artwork (well, active anyway)
[03:54] <mjg59> A black background is a better choice than a brown one
[03:54] <Viper550> Yeah, that's what I made
[03:55] <Hobbsee> nice candidate
[03:56] <Viper550> Yeah, it's kinda got a "portal to the future" like look to it
[03:56] <Viper550> If you wanna discuss it more, I'm in #ubuntu-artwork right now
[03:57] <tseng> if the future is a brown gradient you can count me out
[03:57] <tseng> :)
[03:57] <Viper550> No, the future is what comes AFTER the bootsplash!
[03:58] <Viper550> I basically cropped in a bit of the new default wallpaper and added a masking effect to it
[03:59] <shining> Viper550: looks nice
[03:59] <Viper550> Thank you! I kinda based it off the design of the Xubuntu splash
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[04:03] <_ion> mjg59: Btw, usplash falls back to 800x600 now (great!), but the image is corrupted. It looks like it handles the gfx memory as if the resolution were 1024x768. Unfortunately i don't have a camera. Is it possible to take a screenshot of the usplash?
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[04:04] <Viper550> Not unless you use Vmware
[04:05] <Viper550> But then, it will work correctly in VMware
[04:07] <mjg59> _ion: Not really, I'm afraid
[04:07] <mjg59> _ion: Oh, I bet I know what the problem is. I'll take a look at the source.
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[04:30] <Viper550> So, how do you compile Usplashes for Edgy?
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[04:33] <bddebian> Howdy
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[06:25] <atoponce> are there any plans to create a 50MB or 180MB netist, like debian?
[06:27] <BenC> I think those are contained in the installer directories
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[06:29] <atoponce> so is it possible to burn such a disc then?
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[07:25] <froud> Looking at http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu//6.06/ "Alternate install CD" it states installs on systems with less than about 192MB of RAM. Yet when I look at the installer Help it shows a minimal requirement of 32MB. What am I not understand?
[07:26] <Treenaks> 32 < 192 :P
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[07:27] <ivoks> froud: 32 is needed for install, so you can install system with less than 192, but more than 32
[07:27] <froud> ivoks: Ah ha, thx
[07:28] <ivoks> froud: thing is that desktop CD doesn't work with =< 192MB
[07:28] <ivoks> so alternate CD "fixes" that
[07:28] <froud> kewl
[07:28] <froud> got it now
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[07:46] <elmo> ehm, is the fact that the number of virtual desktops I have got downgraded to 2 considered a feature?
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[07:48] <Chipzz> elmo: that's because the default nr of desktops was 4, you left it that way (so no explicit setting in gconf), default changed, your setting changed
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[07:50] <elmo> Chipzz: how do I change it back?
[07:51] <_ion> Duh. Right-click the workspace switcher and choose preferences.
[07:51] <elmo> oh, never mind - I was looking in System -> Preferences
[07:53] <seb128> elmo: what is the question?
[07:54] <elmo> seb128: I was just thrown by the fact that the number of my desktops got cut in half on upgrade to edgy
[07:54] <seb128> ah
[07:55] <seb128> Mark asked to change the default number from 4 to 2
[07:55] <seb128> if you never changed it the upgrade will pick the new default
[07:55] <elmo> ok, next stupid question - my network status applet has gone into some widescreen state, it's like, horizontally elongated 
[07:55] <Chipzz> got bitten by that too
[07:55] <seb128> other way it respects your user setting
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[07:55] <seb128> elmo: known bug, will be fixed before edgy
[07:56] <elmo> seb128: cool, thanks
[07:56] <_ion> I really don't see how anyone could get along with only 2 virtual desktops. But no problem, it can be increased easily.
[07:56] <seb128> np
[07:56] <seb128> _ion: most people "get along" with 1 desktop using window
[07:57] <_ion> seb: That's because they don't know about virtual desktops. As soon as they see two of them and "get it", they'll want more. :-)
[07:58] <seb128> _ion: right, that's not like changing the number was hard ;)
[07:58] <seb128> _ion: Mark argued than 2 make the feature easier to notice and take less space on the panel
[07:59] <Chipzz> seb128: I don't see how you can fix that really
[07:59] <seb128> Chipzz: fix what?
[07:59] <Chipzz> since there's no way you can know if the user really wanted 4 desktops, or the default nr of desktops
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[08:00] <Chipzz> oh
[08:00] <seb128> Chipzz: "known bug, will be fixed before edgy" was about "my network status applet has gone into some widescreen state"
[08:00] <Chipzz> your were referring to the network...
[08:00] <Chipzz> yeah
[08:00] <_ion> Dynamically created virtual desktops would be interesting. The window manager would always have one desktop that doesn't contain any windows. As soon as a window is opened (or moved to) there, a new desktop would be created.
[08:01] <elmo> usplash is also broken for me, but I think that's a couple of known bugs
[08:06] <mdz> elmo: if it's the one where the artwork is missing after upgrade, I just fixed that one
[08:06] <mdz> bug 61313
[08:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61313 in usplash "Usplash artwork missing on upgrades" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61313
[08:08] <elmo> mdz: ah, excellent, I'll try that once it filters through to the archive
[08:08] <elmo> thanks
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[08:18] <mdz> oh alternatives, how I despise thee
[08:18] <LaserJock> heh
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[08:24] <elmo> hmm, the new font/font rendering in gnome-terminal is going to take some getting use to
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[08:37] <max_> How ready is edgy?
[08:37] <Treenaks> it's in beta
[08:38] <mdz> elmo: I didn't notice a difference
[08:38] <mdz> elmo: or you mean relative to xterm?
[08:39] <Treenaks> elmo: font rendering issue in gnome-term?
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[08:52] <elmo> mdz: nope, relative to dapper gnome-terminal
[08:53] <elmo> Treenaks: not necessarily an issue, it just looks different - like it's doing AA or subpixel hinting or something and wasn't before
[08:53] <elmo> f stems look very thin, the horizontal cross of t's very thin too etc.
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[09:58] <Lure> mjg59: ping
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[10:36] <zul> elmo: amd64 xen 2.6.17 built im just putting the finishing touches on now
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[11:19] <keescook> has anyone gotten pbuilder and schroot to work together?
[11:20] <keescook> I want to use lvn snapshots (which schroot understands) for doing clean builds.
[11:25] <_ion> keescook: Use sbuild
[11:25] <_ion> It supports schroot.
[11:25] <keescook> _ion: ah-ha, cool, thanks.
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[11:58] <Fjodor> BenC: ?
[12:01] <BenC> Fjodor: ?
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[12:01] <Fjodor> BenC: Hi again. I upgraded to edgy, and am ready to report on that "no frequency scaling problem". So far, I'v found a small something
[12:02] <Fjodor> BenC: in acpi-cpufreq.
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[12:03] <Fjodor> BenC: Trying to load it complains about unknown symbol cpu_online_map, which is an smp-ism. Problem and patch is reported in http://www.gatago.com/linux/kernel/6121818.html
[12:03] <Fjodor> Search for +#ifdef CONFIG_SMP
[12:04] <BenC> Fjodor: ok, thanks
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[12:05] <Fjodor> BenC: However, I'm pretty sure it will complain about "No such device" as does speedstep-centrino, when it does work
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