[12:09] <xopher> imbrandon, only thing I found was to make a new pbuilder image with the option --arch=architecture.. is this correct?
[12:10] <imbrandon> xopher, looks to be also checkout /DebootstrapChroot
[12:10] <imbrandon> pretty much does it step by step
[12:10] <xopher> ok
[12:12] <LaserJock> anyway, I don't have a 64-bit machine so I can't do much. maybe I should ask him if he'd donate one for development ;-)
[12:13] <imbrandon> see i would try to help IF he wasent such an ass, if that is the stance of the developers , this his has to be the stance of the users, and i dont see most users acting like this .....
[12:13] <imbrandon> Thanks for proving that all my points were true. It seems Ubuntu dosnt care
[12:13] <imbrandon> about new users at all, or at least you dont. The next time someone tells me
[12:13] <imbrandon> they do Ill remember these posts, and the link to them in the archives.
[12:13] <imbrandon> They should be a hoot on my blog and on groklaw.
[12:13] <imbrandon> ^^ that is totaly un called for
[12:14] <imbrandon> but alas ubuntu wont be the favorite of everyone , to each their own, and i'll keep working on what i work on
[12:17] <Hawkwind> Windows has a 64Bit OS out already
[12:17] <geser> imbrandon: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/default.mspx
[12:18] <LaserJock> I didn't know that was a 64bit OS ;-)
[12:18] <imbrandon> yea but you cant get that on a new 64bit pc at compusa ;)
[12:18] <imbrandon> they atill install 32bit windows xp
[12:25] <siretart> imbrandon: microsoft has in fact 2 64 bit windows ports: one for itanium and one vor em64t/amd64
[12:25] <geser> I don't know how the situation with 64bit drivers for win xp x64 is now but when I tried the beta versions I had to search them
[12:25] <geser> I hope it has improved till now
[12:25] <siretart> imbrandon: the main problem with the ports is, that all drivers need to be rewritten.
[12:27] <imbrandon> yea
[12:27] <imbrandon> oh i feel the pain but i dont whinge about it unless i can or plan to help
[12:27] <imbrandon> no one even things about these things on a ppc ;)
[12:34] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I was going to mention ppc java on that thread but though better of it
[12:37] <crimsun> oh man, that "64-bit users" thread on u-d is a great exercise for maildrop, yay
[12:38] <Fujitsu> Yeah, it is.
[12:39] <TheMuso> woooo
[12:42] <LaserJock> maildrop?
[12:44] <imbrandon> e.g. send to /dev/null
[12:44] <crimsun> (or procmail or whatever; this shell just happens to run maildrop)
[12:46] <crimsun> weeping and gnashing of teeth -->  'One of the 64bit users, kuja has started work on a automatrix type of program called simple64.'
[12:47] <Fujitsu> Nooooooo.
[12:47] <crimsun> I can't /wait/ til bug reports start hitting LP
[12:47] <Fujitsu> Can we search out and stamp all over them, please?
[12:47] <Fujitsu> That's just bad.
[12:47] <slomo> crimsun: perfect, that will make everybody happy ;)
[12:47] <Fujitsu> And the moral of the story is:
[12:48] <Fujitsu> Appease the users or they'll go out and make shoddy scripts that break things and fill your bugtracking system.
[12:48] <Fujitsu> So we must bend to our users' every whim.
[12:48] <crimsun> It'd be nice if we could convince a few such users to join our ranks
[12:48] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[12:48] <TheMuso> Agreed.
[12:49] <Fujitsu> But no, they prefer to write shoddy breaking scripts.
[12:54] <Fujitsu> Who is this Kilz_ character anyway?
[12:55] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: he has a couple 64-bit howto's and almost 2,000 posts
[12:56] <LaserJock> I've said my peace
[12:56] <Fujitsu> So /that's/ why the forum is insane.
[01:01] <LaserJock> I hope crimsun appreciates my pony reference
[01:02] <imbrandon> hahaha yea i just seen that
[01:02] <imbrandon> classic man, right on the money
[01:02] <imbrandon> he dident pick up on my no flash for ppc either
[01:03] <imbrandon> and ppc has been arround alot longer than x86_64
[01:04] <imbrandon> oh well enough of that, time to get the 38 amarok bugs below 10 if i can today ( thats my self made goal )
[01:04] <imbrandon> anyone here still have a dapper install ?
[01:04] <LaserJock> but make sure nothing works on amd64
[01:04] <LaserJock> ;-)
[01:04] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hahah
[01:05] <minghua> imbrandon: does pre-RC dapper count? ;-)
[01:05] <imbrandon> heh , is it upto date ?
[01:05] <minghua> imbrandon: no, haven't touched it for 4 months
[01:05] <LaserJock> my home machines are both dapper
[01:05] <LaserJock> work is edgy
[01:06] <imbrandon> ahh okie no biggie, i just wanted someone to test the amarok backport, can you do that when you get home LaserJock ?
[01:06] <LaserJock> probably
[01:06] <imbrandon> it installed and ran fine in a chroot but i want a real world test
[01:06] <imbrandon> cool thanks
[01:06] <LaserJock> I'll let you know when I'm home etc/
[01:06] <LaserJock> etc.
[01:06] <imbrandon> kk
[01:07] <imbrandon> its just a matter of enabling dapper-backports and installing amarok
[01:07] <imbrandon> ( or upgrading it )\
[01:07] <LaserJock> it's in dapper-backports already?
[01:07] <imbrandon> yea
[01:07] <LaserJock> ah
[01:07] <LaserJock> will do
[01:07] <imbrandon> kk thanks
[01:11] <ajmitch> LaserJock!
[01:11] <chillywilly> hi
[01:11] <ajmitch> hello chillywilly
[01:11] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch and chillywilly
[01:11] <imbrandon> foooooood time
[01:12] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what?
[01:12] <ajmitch> LaserJock: just saying hello
[01:12] <ajmitch> and wading through u-devel threads
[01:13] <ajmitch> I want a pony as well
[01:14] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hello
[01:14] <LaserJock> ;-)
[01:14] <ajmitch> that 64-bit thread is just annoying
[01:14] <ajmitch> more specifically, one demanding person on it
[01:17] <ajmitch> minghua: a wise decision
[01:17] <imbrandon> minghua, thats ok you still get the whole picture asd he replys with the same thing over and over
[01:17] <minghua> amazingly so many developers replied to him though
[01:17] <ajmitch> Sadly I'm beginning to see that the whole warm fuzzy feeling of the
[01:18] <ajmitch> community tends to disappear once off the forums."
[01:18] <ajmitch> yes, forums are so warm & fuzzy
[01:18] <imbrandon> lol
[01:18] <ajmitch> and then he rants on about how ubuntu is lies, all lies, etc ;)
[01:21] <LaserJock> yep, it is
[01:21] <LaserJock> and we like it that way ;-)
[01:21] <ajmitch> on this side of the fence, we're the mean & nasty community ;)
[01:22] <LaserJock> I try to be mean to new people as often as possible
[01:22] <LaserJock> so that I can control the Universe and rule the world!
[01:22] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, yeah, very very fuzzy, those forums.
[01:22] <LaserJock> mwuahahahaha
[01:22] <LaserJock> checkinstall baby
[01:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: get out
[01:23] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[01:23] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Out! Now! You are forever shamed.
[01:23] <TheMuso> autopackage
[01:23] <imbrandon> it would fit right along with the oo.o one
[01:23] <ajmitch> or installing xen from RPMs :)
[01:23] <imbrandon> lol
[01:23] <imbrandon> hahah yea
[01:23] <ajmitch> Fujitsu knows who I'm talking about :)
[01:24] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, that was good.
[01:24] <LaserJock> quick versioning question
[01:24] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, we had a guy in -au wanting to install Xen using the RPMs from xensource.
[01:24] <imbrandon> heh
[01:24] <imbrandon> nice
[01:24] <LaserJock> is <version>ubuntuX ok for a native package
[01:24] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, yes.
[01:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sort of
[01:25] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, how else would it be done?
[01:25] <imbrandon> umm if its native why not just <version>
[01:25] <imbrandon> if its not -0ubuntu1
[01:25] <LaserJock> because what happens if Debian and Ubuntu aren't the same
[01:25] <ajmitch> if it's definitely for ubuntu, then drop the ubuntu suffix
[01:25] <LaserJock> it's Ubuntu but will probably go in Debian at some point
[01:25] <ajmitch> if it's for debian also, the ubuntu version ends up higher
[01:25] <ajmitch> LaserJock: should be ok then
[01:25] <LaserJock> without the -
[01:26] <LaserJock> 0.3ubuntu1 is what I'm looking at
[01:26] <minghua> if it's not in debian yet, why not drop the ubuntuX
[01:26] <imbrandon> i thought ifd it wasent in debian yet ( but could be ) it needed -0ubuntu1
[01:26] <LaserJock> imbrandon: well, native packages are stupid that way ;-)
[01:27] <minghua> I think it's wrong to add -anything to native package
[01:27] <LaserJock> ah -0 would imply a non-native package to me
[01:27] <Fujitsu> Native package is versioning is generally a little strange/stuffed. Like when somebody does an NMU and adds -0.1.
[01:27] <imbrandon> LaserJock, -0 means not in debian
[01:28] <LaserJock> imbrandon: it means a little more then that though
[01:28] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, not in Debian, but also non-native.
[01:29] <LaserJock> anywho, if 0.3ubuntu1 is ok I'll do that as I want to show it's an Ubuntu package and native
[01:29] <minghua> but then the developer's reference seems to say NMU for native package should add -0.1, so whatever
[01:30] <LaserJock> yeah, but what do they know? ;-)
[01:30] <imbrandon> haha i can see it now 0.3ubuntu1-0.1debian
[01:31] <LaserJock> haha
[01:31] <LaserJock> maybe it could be backported
[01:31] <crimsun> if it's a Ubuntu package and native, why add "ubuntu1"?
[01:31] <LaserJock> 0.3ubuntu1-0.1debian~stable
[01:31] <LaserJock> crimsun: because it might also end up in Debian
[01:31] <LaserJock> with little modification
[01:31] <LaserJock> but probably some
[01:31] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, so don't add ubuntu1.
[01:31] <minghua> LaserJock: then just bump the version number and upload 0.4 to debian
[01:32] <ajmitch> we've already had issues with native packages getting autosynced
[01:32] <LaserJock> they could use 0.4 or something
[01:32] <ajmitch> eg initramfs-tools
[01:32] <LaserJock> because of ubuntu1 ?
[01:32] <ajmitch> because it didn't have ubuntuX
[01:32] <ajmitch> and so got autosynced & overwritten
[01:32] <LaserJock> oh
[01:32] <LaserJock> good point actually
[01:32] <minghua> but the package LaserJock is talking about isn't in Debian yet, is it, LaserJock?
[01:33] <LaserJock> no
[01:33] <LaserJock> but if it does and we have just 0.3
[01:33] <ajmitch> initramfs-tools wasn't initially in debian either, iirc
[01:33] <LaserJock> it'll get auto synced
[01:33] <minghua> I see ajmitch's point now
[01:33] <minghua> so maybe 0.3ubuntu1 is better (if just ugly)
[01:34] <LaserJock> mostly I just hate native packages, or at least that the versioning doesn't seem to be consistent a lot of the time
[01:35] <minghua> .oO( native packages by definition are not supposed to exist in two distros )
[01:35] <LaserJock> yes
[01:35] <LaserJock> which is hard for Ubuntu
[01:35] <ajmitch> minghua: theory & reality don't always see eye-to-eye
[01:36] <LaserJock> since it's almost one distro
[01:36] <LaserJock> but not exactly
[01:36] <crimsun> you should checkinstall it for great forum justice.
[01:36] <ajmitch> troll
[01:36] <LaserJock> me goes off to slit his wrists
[01:36] <minghua> ajmitch: true, true.  but who cares about reality anyway? ;-)
[01:37] <ajmitch> crap
[01:38] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:40] <minghua> just kidding.  that's what we sometimes say in a theoretical physics research group :-)
[01:40] <ajmitch> heh
[01:41] <Fujitsu> Hahah, yeah.
[01:41] <imbrandon> oftc ?
[01:41] <chillywilly> why did they move to oftc?
[01:42] <Fujitsu> 'cause it's better.
[01:42] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yes
[01:42] <chillywilly> nah
[01:42] <chillywilly> freenode is still the happening place to be :)
[01:42] <imbrandon> well tbh they really dident move, they just opened another channel
[01:42] <imbrandon> still more users on freenode
[01:43] <ajmitch> all the devel action is on oftc
[01:43] <imbrandon> true, but thats one reason i see not to move ubuntu ( as in its really not a move but more of a split )
[01:43] <minghua> it IS a move, by pointing irc.debian.org to OFTC instead of freenode
[01:44] <imbrandon> minghua, yea but look at the user count in #debian on both networks
[01:44] <chillywilly> freenode rocks, no need to move :)
[01:44] <minghua> imbrandon: that's unfortunate, but hopefully people can move eventually
[01:45] <minghua> most channels moved completely though
[01:46] <imbrandon> yup it would be unfortunate for me to as 99% of the upstream i deal with is on freenode to stay ( kde* )
[01:46] <ajmitch> why would it be unfortunate?
[01:46] <imbrandon> if ubuntu moved
[01:46] <ajmitch> most clients can handle being on more than one network
[01:46] <imbrandon> yea but it sucks
[01:47] <imbrandon> heh
[01:47] <imbrandon> i'm on 4 networks atm , and hate every minute of it
[01:47] <ajmitch> & i'm usually on 3 or more networks
[01:47] <chillywilly> er, 4
[01:47] <crimsun> imbrandon: why so?
[01:47] <ajmitch> freenode, oftc, gimpnet, undernet are the 4 I know I'm connected to right now
[01:47] <imbrandon> freenode stratics oftc and bitlbee ( if that can be considered a network )
[01:48] <imbrandon> crimsun, mostly just a pain to me not to all be in one place
[01:48] <chillywilly> freenode, our work ircd that I maintain, a freind's ircd, and irc.mozilla.org
[01:49] <ajmitch> users, always complaining about something...
[01:49] <imbrandon> hahaha true /me == user of irc
[01:49] <imbrandon> wow ipv6 addr ?
[01:49] <imbrandon> does freenode have a ipv6 server ?
[01:50] <StevenK> Freenode has multiple
[01:50] <imbrandon> nice , i never knew that
[01:50] <imbrandon> i thought about trying to get a ipv6 network going here at home just to learn it
[01:50] <ajmitch> has had it for years
[01:51] <imbrandon> but i dont think my cheap router does ipv6
[01:51] <Fujitsu> My cheap router does.
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Of course, it's a Dapper server.
[01:51] <imbrandon> heh
[01:51] <StevenK> My cheap router is a Sarge Pentium II.
[01:52] <Fujitsu> It was a Sarge PII 500 or something, now it's a Dapper PIII 800.
[01:52] <imbrandon> mine is a netgear wireless something, i guess i could make the fileserver a router
[01:52] <tseng> StevenK++
[01:52] <tseng> but i have a linksys
[01:52] <tseng> unhacked now even
[01:52] <tseng> no patience for all the dicking around
[01:52] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:54] <ajmitch> StevenK: I have the same, iirc
[01:54] <ajmitch> whay change what works?
[02:00] <ajmitch> if I cared enough I'd probably upgrade as well
[02:01] <StevenK> My file server is also my print server, running CUPS 1.1, which is quite useless for my Dapper desktop and laptop.
[02:02] <imbrandon> hum ok i got an issue ( please dont make me search the forums LOL ) i have a huge osx partition ( hfs+ ) i want to oblitorate and have my reiserfs linux partion absorb the free space WITHOUT reinstalling linux, is this possible ?
[02:02] <StevenK> Yes.
[02:02] <imbrandon> hints ?
[02:02] <StevenK> imbrandon: Reinstall using ext3
[02:03] <StevenK> imbrandon: gparted?
[02:03] <StevenK> How to shrink and grow reiser filesystems, I have no idea.
[02:05] <imbrandon> heh
[02:05] <imbrandon> i might just reinstall beta, i really dident want to though
[02:06] <imbrandon> but stupid me put osx on a 25gig partition and linux ( with swap ) on a 5 gig or a 30 gig drive
[02:06] <minghua> can you grow a non-LVM partition?
[02:06] <imbrandon> s/or/on
[02:06] <imbrandon> minghua, ext3 you can
[02:07] <imbrandon> i just wasent sure about reiser
[02:07] <minghua> imbrandon: that's growing a filesystem, isn't it?
[02:07] <imbrandon> right but its trickery with ext2
[02:07] <minghua> I've done growing a LVM-partition and then growing the ext3 fs on it
[02:07] <imbrandon> you delete the partition table and recreate it larger but taking up the same spot
[02:07] <minghua> but have no idea about non-LVM partitions
[02:08] <minghua> oh okay
[02:08] <imbrandon> its trickery but works
[02:08] <imbrandon> for ext3 that is
[02:08] <minghua> I think I've see FAT32 partitions worked that way
[02:08] <minghua> I wouldn't dare to do that without a proper backup though
[02:08] <StevenK> imbrandon: Or use gparted which has a resize command.
[02:09] <imbrandon> StevenK, even for reiser ? or are you talking about ext3
[02:09] <imbrandon> hum i guess i could just format it resier and move /home onto it
[02:10] <imbrandon> that would save a reinstall
[02:10] <imbrandon> have a 5 gig / and 25gig /home ;)
[02:11] <imbrandon> or 5g / 10g /var and 15g /home , hum
[02:12] <imbrandon> might be interesting trying to move /var though
[02:14] <StevenK> imbrandon: That's what single-user mode is for.
[02:14] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:19] <TheMuso> ReiserFS can be resized using a utility from the reiserfsprogs package I think.
[02:19] <TheMuso> It can even be resized while mounted.
[02:19] <TheMuso> From what a quick google brought up for me at least.
[02:20] <imbrandon> wow nice TheMuso i'll take another look at google
[02:21] <TheMuso> imbrandon: man resize_reiserfs
[02:21] <TheMuso> hmmm
[02:21] <TheMuso> according to the manpage, the filesystem has to be unmounted
[02:22] <TheMuso> IMO that would be safer.
[02:22] <imbrandon> yea
[02:22] <TheMuso> XFS and JFS have to be resized while mounted however.
[02:22] <imbrandon> i have allt he inportant info backed up anyhow
[02:22] <imbrandon> but still
[02:22] <TheMuso> yeah
[02:24] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, I use resize_resierfs very regularly when mounted.
[02:25] <imbrandon> ahh the man page says the same way as doing it with ext3
[02:25] <TheMuso> imbrandon, Fujitsu, what made you guys choose reiserfs?
[02:25] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, I've just always liked it, dunno why...
[02:25] <imbrandon> faster on my box than ext3
[02:25] <Fujitsu> Well, it supports online resizing for one thing.
[02:25] <imbrandon>  you wish to enlarge a filesystem, you must make sure
[02:25] <imbrandon>        you expand the underlying device first. This can be done using cfdisk(8) for partitions, by deleting the partition and recreat
[02:25] <imbrandon>        ing it with a larger size (assuming there is free space after the partition in question).  Make sure you re-create it with  the
[02:25] <imbrandon>        same  starting  disk cylinder as before!  Otherwise, the resize operation will certainly not work, and you may lose your entire
[02:26] <imbrandon>        filesystem.
[02:26] <imbrandon> wont help, the partition is at the end of the drive ;(
[02:26] <TheMuso> I tried reiserfs a few years ago, and was badly burnt by it
[02:26] <TheMuso> imbrandon: You will have to re-create the filesystem then.
[02:26] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, you can also always copy the entire filesystem off to another system, delete the partitions, recreate a big one, copy the filesystem back, and run grub.
[02:27] <TheMuso> SO used ext3 until I found out what other filesystems were ok.
[02:27] <TheMuso> Then I was told about jFS>
[02:27] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, you mean ybin ;)
[02:27] <Fujitsu> Well, yes.
[02:27] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:28] <imbrandon> hum i'm thinking a format / reinstall will do it some good anyhow , gives me an excuse to test a clean beta install
[02:28] <Fujitsu> Yeah, that's true.
[02:29] <Fujitsu> And it's not bad to do that on a *nix, because once you've got /home you've really got most of the important stuff.
[02:30] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[02:30] <imbrandon> my /home is normaly on a nfs share , but i keep a local account on the lappy just in case i'm on the road
[02:30] <TheMuso> I reckon if Windows allowed one to mount Documents and Settings on another partition, things would be a lot better.
[02:30] <imbrandon> TheMuso, well you /can/ its just a pita
[02:31] <TheMuso> imbrandon: I know that, but it really should be possible from the word go.
[02:31] <imbrandon> yea
[02:31] <imbrandon> but who would reinstall windows over and over ? </sarcastic>
[02:31] <TheMuso> hehe
[02:32] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, who would install Windows full stop?
[02:32] <imbrandon> heh
[02:34] <TheMuso> I love learning about non-x86 hardware.
[02:34] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, heehee.
[02:35] <TheMuso> This alpha is a little old however.
[02:35] <Fujitsu> HAHAH.
[02:35] <Fujitsu> mdz's response to the warm-fuzzy-forums thin.
[02:35] <Fujitsu> *thing
[02:35] <TheMuso> Ah y eah. I saw that.
[02:35] <TheMuso> Damn. Still panics in the same spot.
[02:38] <imbrandon> forgive me father for i have sin'd http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/vista.jpg ( had to try it on the amd64 over the last weekend )
[02:39] <TheMuso> heh
[02:40] <imbrandon> its kinda funny how there is no start button though, just a logo ( kinda like ummmm the K logo anyone !?! )
[02:41] <imbrandon> and the windeco is very kwin-style-crystal-ish
[02:41] <bddebian> Egads it looks more like MockOS all the time
[02:41] <tseng> har har bddebian
[02:42] <imbrandon> bddebian, heh playing with it its more like kde all the time actualy ( in the way it works )
[02:42] <bddebian> Heya tseng and imbrandon :-)
[02:42] <tseng> hi
[02:42] <imbrandon> heya
[02:52] <TheMuso> imbrandon: THing about Vista is you probably had to go to much greater lengths to obtain it.
[03:01] <Marsmensch> moin, is this  the right channel to suggest a package for the reps?
[03:02] <TheMuso> Marsmensch: Unfortunately, we have just past universe freeze, so unless there is a good reason why the package should be included, it will have to wait till edgy+1.
[03:05] <minghua> so in summary, right channel, but unfortunate timing
[03:06] <Marsmensch> TheMuso: Yeah, i understand. I found the site https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates and will put it on. So doesn't matter at all :)
[03:07] <minghua> Hmm, I wonder if any other MOTU read that page regularly?  I sure don't
[03:08] <TheMuso> minghua: Nope I don't.
[03:12] <Marsmensch> hmmmm, so you have any ideas where to put it on?
[03:13] <minghua> Marsmensch: sorry, that's probably the best place if you don't want to work on it yourself
[03:14] <minghua> Marsmensch: I am just saying putting it there doesn't increase much its chance to get into ubuntu
[03:15] <Marsmensch> hmmm, ok, ... i'm to unskilled to work on it myself
[03:16] <Marsmensch> so i can say it here any maybe and you make a notice about it?
[03:16] <lritter> hey there. i can't find anything related to changes in the font rendering past 6.06, but i know it happened
[03:16] <lritter> i can't seem to use bci hinting anymore, no matter how much i try
[03:16] <lritter> i have pointed this out in the bugtracker but nobody seems to be interested
[03:17] <lritter> i really wonder whats going on. it works with the live cd, for example.
[03:17] <minghua> Marsmensch: sorry, that page is the place we make notice for such requests
[03:17] <minghua> Marce: not much more I can do
[03:18] <Marce> uh, hilight :>
[03:18] <minghua> Marsmensch: ^^^
[03:18] <minghua> Marce: sorry
[03:18] <Marce> minghua: no problem :)
[03:23] <Marsmensch> ok a few minutes ago i read in the benq mobile developer newsletter, that finaly the mobile phone mager for linux available is (LMPM). whis this software you can connect your siemens benq mobile phone to the pc and synchronise it. the software is available for ubuntu 5.10, suse 10 and madriva
[03:24] <Fujitsu> Is it open source?
[03:24] <Marsmensch> more detailed information about itnhttp://www.benq-siemens.com/cds/frontdoor/0,2241,hq_en_0_130289_0_xcp%253A140777_xcs%253A130989,00.html
[03:25] <Marsmensch> no idea, why?
[03:25] <Marsmensch> has it to be for adding to reps?
[03:26] <Fujitsu> Marsmensch, it must be open source, and it's not.
[03:26] <Marsmensch> ohhh ok :-(
[03:28] <Marsmensch> thx for help
[03:30] <jdong> Marsmensch: well, it doesn't HAVE to be open source
[03:30] <jdong> Marsmensch: it has to have a license that would allow us to put it in the repos
[03:30] <jdong> Marsmensch: and it has to be of high enough of "quality" package-wise that it doesn't threaten the existing system
[03:30] <lritter> so
[03:30] <lritter> nobody has an idea?
[03:31] <Fujitsu> lritter, this isn't the right channel...
[03:31] <lritter> what is the right channel then
[03:31] <Marsmensch> thank you jdong, makes sense :)
[03:31] <lritter> Fujitsu: what is the right channel then
[03:31] <crimsun> lritter: you should ask in #ubuntu-devel on Monday. Most of the developers are off on the weekend.
[03:31] <lritter> i see
[03:31] <lritter> good point
[03:32] <lritter> thank you
[03:32] <minghua> lritter: what is bci hinting?
[03:32] <lritter> byte code interpreted hinting
[03:32] <lritter> some fonts contain information on how to correct pixels on lower resolutions
[03:32] <lritter> such as the ms core fonts
[03:32] <minghua> and other people are right, let's move to #ubuntu-devel
[03:32] <jdong> lritter: isn't that what dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config asks?
[03:33] <lritter> jdong: funny enough, it doesn't ask me anything.
[03:33] <lritter> jdong: it just runs without any interactive dialogue.
[03:33] <jdong> lritter: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow fontconfig-config
[03:33] <jdong> lritter: it asks me just fine....
[03:34] <lritter> plow :)
[03:34] <lritter> okay, i guess its that.
[03:35] <lritter> let me see.
[03:35] <minghua> but IIRC the default debconf choice is bytecode hinting
[03:35] <lritter> ooh :)
[03:37] <lritter> okay, i turned it on, still no change
[03:37] <lritter> anyway, i'm moving this to ubuntu-devel
[03:50] <LaserJock> wow, 1444 packages to download
[03:50] <LaserJock> this may take a little while
[03:51] <ajmitch> that's quite a few
[03:51] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, whatcha doing? Upgrading?
[03:52] <bddebian> fool ;-P
[03:52] <LaserJock> yep
[03:53] <LaserJock> good news is I'm downloading at 130k/s
[03:53] <Fujitsu> Who has control over the Fridge.
[03:53] <Fujitsu> *?
[03:53] <Fujitsu> `If you are currently on Ubuntu 6.10 (dapper drake) and want to help test the new Edgy Beta'
[03:54] <Fujitsu> `upgrade from Ubuntu 6.10/Dapper to Edgy Beta'
[03:54] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: #fridge-devel
[03:54] <Fujitsu> Ha, ha.
[04:00] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, its #ubuntu-fridge or the fridge-devel@l.u.c , but i have editor powers , whats up ?
[04:00] <Fujitsu> The current first post is full of mistake.
[04:00] <Fujitsu> *mistakes.
[04:00] <minghua> LaserJock: do we have a #ubutnu-science?
[04:01] <Fujitsu> minghua, we have #ubuntu-science.
[04:11] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, ok fixed a few mistakes i noticed
[04:11] <imbrandon> refresh and see if you see any more please
[04:12] <crimsun> heh, do I need to proof it first or something?
[04:13] <imbrandon> hehe we were just noting on the edgy beta story on the fridge
[04:13] <imbrandon> if you want to once over it
[04:13] <imbrandon> Fujitsu found a few mistakes after it was published by 2 fridge editors , hey we're all human right hehe
[04:14] <imbrandon> mostly was s/6.10/6.06/ "Dapper" stuff
[04:15] <Toadstool> heya \o/
[04:15] <imbrandon> heya Toadstool
[04:15] <crimsun> wealthy fellow in our MOTU midst
[04:16] <Toadstool> :)
[04:16] <theCore> I got a question
[04:16] <Toadstool> theCore: don't ask to ask, just ask ;)
[04:16] <theCore> if Debian has a package that Ubuntu doesn't, will it gets sync?
[04:17] <imbrandon> eventualy yes
[04:17] <crimsun> at this stage, not unless it's absolutely critical.
[04:17] <imbrandon> ( ( eventualy == edgy+1 at this point )
[04:17] <crimsun> we're past universe freeze; see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-September/000828.html
[04:17] <theCore> I'm looking forward edgy+1
[04:17] <theCore> crimsun, I know
[04:18] <theCore> I just try to prepare myself, so I can be part of Edgy+1 development
[04:18] <crimsun> the next autosync round is in the [couple]  week[s]  post-release
[04:19] <theCore> so, it's all done automatically?
[04:19] <imbrandon> yea probably arround begining of decemberish
[04:19] <crimsun> I imagine it'll resume earlier than December
[04:19] <imbrandon> theCore, in the begning of the cycle yes ( for packages that dont have ubuntu changes )
[04:19] <crimsun> it normally picks back up in the week (or second week) after the most current stable release
[04:20] <theCore> ok, thanks for the infos
[04:21] <theCore> so, if I want to package something, I need to find a piece of software that isn't packaged?
[04:21] <imbrandon> yea , to learn you can make patches for existing bugs and look at the current packaging
[04:22] <imbrandon> that way bugs are squished AND you learn packing ;)
[04:23] <theCore> imbrandon, I already know pretty well how to package, I often do packages for myself, but I never gotten into the real thing
[04:23] <cmpalmer> howdy. I was thinking of packaging http://handbrake.m0k.org/
[04:24] <cmpalmer> I'm looking at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/intro-chap.html
[04:24] <cmpalmer> anything else I should be doing?
[04:24] <crimsun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[04:25] <crimsun> have you signed my key?
[04:25] <cmpalmer> dunno. have to check
[04:28] <theCore> any examples of a good python package?
[04:28] <crimsun> mutagen is my ready example
[04:28] <theCore> crimsun, thanks
[04:28] <crimsun> further, quodlibet uses mutagen if you need an additional example
[04:29] <LaserJock> hmm
[04:29] <Toadstool> theCore: mmpython :)
[04:29] <LaserJock> theCore: and when your done with them write it up for the packaging guide
[04:29] <Toadstool> hehe
[04:29] <theCore> LaserJock, your a second ahead of me ;)
[04:30] <theCore> I plan to write a Python packaging section for the guide, that why I was asking
[04:31] <imbrandon> oh wow, mdz's replys are classic , really well done
[04:31] <LaserJock> mhm
[04:33] <Toadstool> imbrandon: where? u-devel@ ?
[04:33] <imbrandon> yea
[04:34] <Toadstool> haha, I hadn't seen LaserJock's pony mail :p
[04:36] <LaserJock> I thought it added a little levity to the situation
[04:36] <Toadstool> :)
[04:38] <imbrandon> wow, i just got a call from my dad, seems my uncle just got home from basic training this week and instead of a "Welcome Home Scott" banner in the living room from his wife, he got a "I want a divorce + empty house" homecomming
[04:39] <cmpalmer> ?!
[04:39] <imbrandon> bummer
[04:39] <cmpalmer> ow
[04:39] <Toadstool> uhuh...
[04:43] <LaserJock> imbrandon: bummer
[04:48] <LaserJock> wahoo, over 1/2 way there
[04:49] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody know if packaging firefox extentions is straightfoward?
[04:49] <ajmitch> imbrandon: painful
[04:49] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I doubt it
[04:50] <imbrandon> probably not LaserJock
[04:50] <imbrandon> as they have to be run to be "installed"
[04:50] <LaserJock> hmm
[04:50] <imbrandon> LaserJock, makin a 32bit + 64bit package ?
[04:50] <imbrandon> heh
[04:50] <LaserJock> haha
[04:51] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:51] <LaserJock> no, a guy wants to package an extention for his first try at packaging
[04:51] <ajmitch> crazy
[04:51] <LaserJock> apparently he made a .deb, not sure how, but I have an idea
[04:51] <imbrandon> hum extensions arent even installed that way on windows, you run the xpm from a webserver iirc
[04:57] <minghua> honestly I can't see the advantage of packaging a firefox extension
[04:57] <minghua> (at least on personal computers)
[04:57] <minghua> it's easy and straight-forward to use firefox's extension manager
[04:59] <LaserJock> well
[04:59] <LaserJock> that can be said for a lot of things we package too
[04:59] <LaserJock> you can also get automatic updates in Firefox
[05:03] <Toadstool> gah... my $%@! bcm43xx wireless chipset is not recognized by the kernel on the desktop cd
[05:04] <LaserJock> imbrandon: ping
[05:04] <imbrandon> pong
[05:05] <LaserJock> what do you want me to test in amarok?
[05:05] <imbrandon> just that it installes and plays music ;)
[05:05] <LaserJock> oh
[05:05] <LaserJock> that's not hard
[05:05] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:05] <imbrandon> ( 1.4.3 from backports )
[05:05] <LaserJock> installing now
[05:05] <imbrandon> so you might have to enable backports and dist-upgrade if you havent already
[05:05] <imbrandon> kk
[05:06] <imbrandon> like i said worked fine in my chroot but i just wanted someone to test it realworld
[05:07] <LaserJock> Hobbsee!
[05:08] <Hobbsee> LaserJock!
[05:08] <LaserJock> I didn't see you come in
[05:08] <imbrandon> imbra....! errr
[05:09] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:11] <LaserJock> imbrandon: seems fine to me
[05:11] <imbrandon> great , thanks
[05:11] <LaserJock> np
[05:15] <rmjb> hey room
[05:15] <rmjb> need a little advice
[05:15] <imbrandon> heya rmjb
[05:16] <rmjb> I want to put together and submit a locale for en_TT (Trinidad and Tobago)
[05:16] <rmjb> I emailed Martin Pitt since he's the maintainter of the language packs for Ubuntu
[05:16] <imbrandon> it will cost you $0.02 for advice
[05:16] <imbrandon> just teasin
[05:17] <imbrandon> ok ....
[05:17] <rmjb> oh... I was just working out the exchange rate
[05:17] <imbrandon> haha
[05:17] <LaserJock> you should call it en_GS
[05:17] <LaserJock> mixture of GB and US
[05:17] <minghua> lol
[05:17] <rmjb> anyhow, I emailed Denis Barbier since he's working on locales for Debian
[05:18] <rmjb> and I emailed the debinan glibc maintainers since that's where locales are maintained
[05:19] <rmjb> but no response... (first email was a week ago)
[05:19] <rmjb> should I submit something to a bugzilla somewhere or something?
[05:19] <imbrandon> a week isnt long for debian ( nor ubuntu atm since beta craze )
[05:19] <rmjb> yeah, en_GS might not be that bad
[05:20] <rmjb> okay, busy times call for long waits then...
[05:20] <minghua> rmjb: no, debian glibc maintainer is the wrong person to email to, as ubuntu doesn't use the locale data in glibc
[05:21] <rmjb> ahh... what's the upstream project to look at then, is it indicated in launchpad?
[05:21] <minghua> rmjb: Debian wise, Denis Barbier is the right person to write to
[05:21] <minghua> rmjb: belocs-something
[05:22] <rmjb> belocs-locales-bin, belocs-locales-data
[05:22] <imbrandon> LaserJock, can we make a en_mUS ( Midwest US )
[05:22] <rmjb> yeah, Denis' email is listed as the contact for those
[05:22] <minghua> rmjb: yes, but that's the binary package name
[05:23] <LaserJock> imbrandon: uhhh, I , ummm, sure thing
[05:23] <rmjb> locales*, locales-all* then... I'm getting these package names from http://www.debian.org/devel/people
[05:23] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I'd hate to think what it'd be like
[05:24] <rmjb> imbrandon: what'll be different from en_US? the accent?
[05:24] <imbrandon> rmjb, sure ;)
[05:25] <imbrandon> soda vs cola vs coke , etc etc etc ;)
[05:26] <rmjb> ah... I see
[05:26] <ajmitch> very important distinctions
[05:26] <rmjb> okay, looks like I dreamt emailing Barbier... no sent item in my email...
[05:28] <LaserJock> imbrandon: it's "pop" darn it. soda is what you bakewith and coke is what people snort :-)
[05:28] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[05:29] <ajmitch> and 'pop' is what sad people listen to
[05:30] <imbrandon> hahah
[05:30] <minghua> damn americans can never agree on what they call coca-cola
[05:30] <rmjb> pop... that's my dad!
[05:30] <imbrandon> soda
[05:31] <imbrandon> nother en_mUS would be to s/GNU\/Linux/Linux/ in all documentation
[05:31] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:32] <imbrandon> 5p34k
[05:33] <minghua> imbrandon: why midwest people won't say GNU/Linux?
[05:34] <imbrandon> becouse ..... idealogicly ( sic ) {me,us} hate the whole GNU/ must be infront of anything that has gnu tools on it
[05:36] <LaserJock> too many letter too ;-)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> oh my head hurts now, at readign that 64 bit thread...
[05:37] <LaserJock> hah
[05:37] <LaserJock> a
[05:38] <imbrandon> heh if i had an annonmous email account i would start a thread "How Long do PPC users have to wait?"
[05:38] <imbrandon> no flash or wine or java for us either ;) and its been arround alot longer than x86_64
[05:38] <ajmitch> "how long do m68k users have to wait?"
[05:39] <imbrandon> bwhahaha
[05:39] <LaserJock> do it!
[05:39] <minghua> ajmitch: you are faster than I :-)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[05:39] <LaserJock> they don't even have "offical arch" status in Ubuntu
[05:40] <minghua> I actually used a sparc machine this summer, and is grateful debian has a port for it
[05:40] <imbrandon> no GNU/^WSolaris for you ?
[05:40] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:40] <minghua> I used gentoo for a month and eventually switched when I found the Chinese input method pacakge is masked off
[05:41] <LaserJock> I'm sadly a i386 only guy
[05:41] <LaserJock> I even tried buying a mac
[05:41] <LaserJock> but it turned out to be the first week they shipped intels
[05:41] <minghua> and still got an intel one?
[05:42] <imbrandon> hahah
[05:42] <minghua> yeah, poor LaserJock
[05:42] <ajmitch> sadly I've only got i386 & amd64
[05:43] <ajmitch> and I can't watch youtube crap on my desktop!!
[05:43] <ajmitch> what will I do?
[05:43] <imbrandon> lol
[05:43] <imbrandon> start a thread on the -devel list
[05:43] <rmjb> LaserJock: you in US, UK?
[05:43] <pianoboy3333> I'm trying to build the svn of libgphoto2 and I was able to do a checkinstall and only install libgphoto2-port0, but I can't seem to be able to then install libgphoto2 without the port package also. Help? You can checkout the source with `svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gphoto/trunk/libgphoto2`
[05:43] <imbrandon> rmjb, biggest little city in the world
[05:44] <imbrandon> gah checkinstall
[05:44] <rmjb> I saw a US site that had factory refurbished g3 imacs for $65 if you still want a mac
[05:45] <Hawkwind> rmjb: Where ?
[05:45] <imbrandon> rmjb, where , i could use a few for a build farm
[05:45] <ajmitch> pianoboy3333: why on earth are you using checkinstall anyway?
[05:45] <Hawkwind> I'd love to have one myself
[05:45] <Hobbsee> mind your language.
[05:45] <minghua> yeah, I would like to have one too
[05:45] <Hawkwind> Ewwwww @ check install.  I wouldn't tell my worst enemy to use that app :P
[05:45] <rmjb> pianoboy3333: I got that to compile and install fine without checkinstall... there's make target for uninstall so you shouldn't need checkinstall
[05:46] <pianoboy3333> ajmitch: because.... I don't feel like making a deb at 11:45 here, and I don't want to use make install
[05:46] <ajmitch> so instead you ask about the use of checkinstall in a channel full of people who start convulsing when they hear of it? :)
[05:46] <pianoboy3333> Hawkwind: ummm well.... if he's your worst enemy then you wouldn't help him....
[05:46] <pianoboy3333> ajmitch: no
[05:46] <pianoboy3333> ajmitch: it wouldn't matter if I ran make install
[05:47] <Hawkwind> pianoboy3333: Heh, true that I suppose.  Which means he wouldn't use checkinstall either hopefully :)
[05:47] <imbrandon> pianoboy3333, it dosent matter we dont like/use/support checkinstall
[05:47] <pianoboy3333> ajmitch: I'm asking how to build libgphoto2 without the port part
[05:47] <ajmitch> why?
[05:47] <ajmitch> have you asked upstream?
[05:48] <pianoboy3333> I have asked in #gphoto and everyone is idle basically.... so I'll stop bothering you guys and ask again tommorow...
[05:48] <imbrandon> still never said why he needs a new version
[05:48] <ajmitch> asking about build system of random package foo isn't always going to get an answer
[05:48] <Hawkwind> Patient fellow he was
[05:49] <minghua> no wonder he didn't get a reply in #gphoto
[05:49] <ajmitch> and to think that I had recently been digging through that code & may have been able to help
[05:49] <minghua> he probably stayed 5 minutes there altogether
[05:49] <imbrandon> ajmitch, but i know how to install foo " ./configure ; make ; checkinstall "
[05:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:50] <imbrandon> :'(
[05:50] <ajmitch> you should know better
[05:50] <minghua> oh that was brutal
[05:51] <LaserJock> rmjb: US
[05:53] <rmjb> okay guys, here's the refurbished iMacs... cheap! http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?Cat=810
[05:54] <rmjb> took a while to find it back... might be handy for ppc maintainers
[05:54] <minghua> rmjb: thanks
[05:55] <imbrandon> i would give people access to my ibook but its not on the net all the time, nor setup for it security wise
[05:55] <rmjb> delicious is actually a great search tool for links... better than google for something like this
[05:55] <imbrandon> but hopefully i will get more soonish
[05:58] <LaserJock> Apple PowerMac G3 400MHz 128MB 10GB CD-ROM w/OS 9 - B  $99
[05:58] <imbrandon> personaly i would grab one of the 333 and shove ram into it
[05:58] <imbrandon> for 49$
[05:58] <LaserJock> I could throw Ubuntu server +pbuilder on one of those
[05:58] <minghua> LaserJock: make sure you check what kind of RAM it uses first
[05:59] <minghua> oh sorry, imbrandon ^^^
[05:59] <imbrandon> minghua, yea i know
[05:59] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:00] <minghua> although 128MB is probably not good for pbuilder either
[06:00] <LaserJock> what kind of RAM do they use?
[06:00] <TheMuso> Standard SD RAM
[06:00] <imbrandon> sdram
[06:00] <imbrandon> 133 most of the time
[06:00] <LaserJock> well, I'm using a 1.3GHz P4 with 256MB of rambus
[06:00] <LaserJock> so it wouldn't be a total step down
[06:00] <imbrandon> ouch rambus ?
[06:00] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:01] <imbrandon> i have 640 total in my ibook
[06:01] <imbrandon> 128 + 512
[06:01] <TheMuso> I used to have 768MB in the G3, but needed some of it elsewhere. :)
[06:01] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:01] <minghua> PC100 SDRAM according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_G3_%28Blue_%26_White%29
[06:02] <imbrandon> LaserJock, do they even make rambus anymore ?
[06:02] <imbrandon> minghua, yea , thats pretty common
[06:02] <LaserJock> imbrandon: not sure, but I know if you can find it it's really pricey
[06:02] <LaserJock> I would take my home machine in to work put it is my printer server
[06:03] <rmjb> articles about upgrades for those macs: http://www.lowendmac.com/imacs/tray-up.html and http://www.lowendmac.com/imacs/slot-up.html
[06:03] <LaserJock> if I had time I could check out the old alpha that is sitting in the lab next to mine ;-)
[06:03] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:04] <LaserJock> but better yet, that lab also has a 5 node amd64 cluster
[06:04] <imbrandon> those 50$ imacs woudl actualy make nice "give-aways" once loaded with the soon to be released eft ;)
[06:04] <TheMuso> Maybe with xubuntu.
[06:05] <TheMuso> I have found GNOME a little slow on my G3 300.
[06:05] <TheMuso> Unless you are referring to G4 Imacs.
[06:05] <imbrandon> for free most wont complain about a little slow
[06:05] <LaserJock> I always wonder about the CRT going out on those
[06:06] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[06:06] <TheMuso> imbrandon: YOu have a point.
[06:06] <LaserJock> imbrandon: of course they will complain
[06:06] <imbrandon> i wanan get a g5 before they arent ppc anymore
[06:07] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hahah true, it wont run flash
[06:07] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:07] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Wait till they are only available second hand. A lot cheaper very likely.
[06:07] <LaserJock> imbrandon: we've got 1 g4 and 1 g5 imac I believe in our lab
[06:07] <TheMuso> I'd love a G5 powermac myself. :)
[06:07] <LaserJock> yep
[06:08] <LaserJock> another theoretical group in my department is almost entirely macs
[06:08] <imbrandon> TheMuso, yea thats how i got my ibook, its a 800mhz ppc 640mb ram 30gig hdd i picked up for trade on a 1800+amd semprion system
[06:08] <minghua> it seems G5 imac only existed a very short period
[06:08] <LaserJock> they built a G5 powermac cluster
[06:08] <imbrandon> minghua, they still make powermac g5's just not "for the end user"
[06:08] <imbrandon> thats the last of the ppc's
[06:08] <TheMuso> imbrandon: lucky you.
[06:09] <TheMuso> My G3 runs OS X quite well.
[06:09] <imbrandon> yea its a g3 800 , runs osx 10.4 and kubuntu well
[06:09] <imbrandon> just takes FOREVER to compile
[06:09] <minghua> imbrandon: I was talking about iMac, the one-piece desktop machine
[06:09] <minghua> imbrandon: are still making those, too?
[06:09] <TheMuso> Heh if you think yours takes ages, you should see my G3 crawling along. :)
[06:10] <imbrandon> minghua, the ibook's ? no they were replaced by mac books
[06:10] <LaserJock> imbrandon: please read his sentence
[06:11] <minghua> imbrandon: no, these ones: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imac#iMac_G5
[06:11] <LaserJock> imbrandon: minghua> it seems G5 imac only existed a very short period
[06:11] <imbrandon> ahh imac g5's yea i dont think so
[06:11] <imbrandon> g5's are only in the powermacs iirc
[06:11] <imbrandon>  /now/
[06:11] <LaserJock> yeah, I think our lab got all their iMacs in the same year
[06:12] <imbrandon> all the desktop and laptop computers are intel now
[06:12] <LaserJock> and got g4 g5 and intell
[06:12] <LaserJock> and all for the same price
[06:12] <imbrandon> only the "server grade" are still g5's but wont be for long
[06:12] <minghua> according to wikipedia iMac G5 was shipped for 16 months
[06:12] <minghua> so not as short as I thought
[06:12] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah
[06:13] <LaserJock> I wonder if we got 2 g5's
[06:13] <LaserJock> they are different anyway, the shape is different
[06:13] <imbrandon> yea
[06:14] <imbrandon> hrm a rosetta type interface would be nice for ppc linux
[06:14] <imbrandon> only reverse
[06:14] <imbrandon> allowing intel code to run on the ppc
[06:14] <imbrandon> s/code/binarys
[06:14] <minghua> well, there is crossoffice for mac, so it's possible
[06:15] <TheMuso> imbrandon: It is code, just machine code
[06:15] <LaserJock> Apple PowerMac G4 733MHz 256MB 60GB CDRW/DVD w/OS 9 $319.99
[06:15] <imbrandon> minghua, cxoffice for mac is only for intell macs
[06:15] <imbrandon> ( /me works on cxoffice )
[06:15] <TheMuso> The problem with macs on Ebay here in Australia is that people overprice them.
[06:15] <minghua> imbrandon: oh, sorry, I thought they ported wine to ppc
[06:15] <imbrandon> no they ported wine to osx ( intel only )
[06:16] <imbrandon> quote : "Run popular Windows software on Intel OS X Macs."
[06:16] <imbrandon> right on the front page
[06:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:17] <rmjb> why would you need to run intel binaries on ppc? this will be for pacakges that aren't available as source??
[06:17] <imbrandon> exactly
[06:18] <minghua> rmjb: flash, acrobat reader, etc.
[06:19] <LaserJock> I'm just waiting for the kqemu stuff to hit OS X
[06:19] <rmjb> it would have to be savvy to cross link native and none native binaries where needed... eg. native firefox and non-native flash
[06:19] <imbrandon> bwhaha my developer login still works for codeweavers http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss106.png
[06:20] <rmjb> personally, I'm dissapointed in acrobat7 for linux, I find the builtin document viewer in ubuntu much better
[06:20] <LaserJock> hmm, so it take me as long to install the packages as to download them in this dist-upgrade to edgy
[06:21] <imbrandon> rmjb, yea it is that savvy , rosetta let things like itunes and quicktime for ppc osx run on the intel boxes before the software was ported ( rosetta is built into osx )
[06:22] <imbrandon> to let old ppc binarys run seemless on the intels
[06:22] <rmjb> LaserJock: you didn't use gksu "update-manager -c -d" ? if so why? (it's what I'm running now)
[06:22] <LaserJock> rmjb: unfortunately evince doesn't handle a lot of the form filing I have to do
[06:23] <LaserJock> rmjb: I'm doing update-manager, I just call it a dist-upgrade
[06:23] <imbrandon> rmjb, one reason might be if he is not on ubuntu ( e.g. kubuntu xubuntu )
[06:23] <minghua> and I always had problem with evince and Chinese (altough quite a lot of Chinese users claim otherwise)
[06:23] <minghua> it's probably only a encoding map issue
[06:23] <LaserJock> minghua: ah yeah, that hit the doc team quite a bit
[06:24] <TheMuso> You gotta feel sorry for jdub being stuffed around by airlines... again.
[06:24] <ajmitch> oh?
[06:24] <rmjb> so what's needed is a attesor (rosetta backwards) for ppc linux... sounds like a good project
[06:25] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Check planet Ubuntu
[06:25] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea he's headed to ohio for linux fest
[06:25] <LaserJock> I still haven't figured out what he's doing
[06:27] <ajmitch> poor jdub
[06:28] <minghua> LaserJock: only evince?  you guys builds Chinese pdf fine?
[06:29] <minghua> s/builds/build/
[06:32] <imbrandon> [23:31]  <imbrandon> oh wow jdub is only like 3 hours from me , wish i had me license back, i would shoot over and see if could help ( or atleaste meet him F2F )
[06:32] <imbrandon> [23:32]  <imbrandon> oh wow wrong channell too
[06:32] <TheMuso> heh
[06:32] <imbrandon> heh
[06:33] <imbrandon> LaserJock, he was spose to give the keynote at linuxfest
[06:36] <LaserJock> minghua: yeah, mdke tried for a long time to get them to work in evince
[06:36] <LaserJock> minghua: just building the Chinese pdfs took a while
[06:36] <LaserJock> I current problem is Russian
[06:36] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I was talking in general
[06:37] <imbrandon> professional gnome hacker ?
[06:37] <imbrandon> dunno
[06:40] <minghua> LaserJock: hmm, I should look at how ubuntu doc team builds Chinese pdf then
[06:40] <imbrandon> anyone know who andrew ash is ?
[06:41] <minghua> debian installer still disable Chinese pdf for the manual now
[06:41] <LaserJock> minghua: fop
[06:42] <rmjb> well, it's been cool liming here with you guys
[06:42] <rmjb> catch you all later
[06:42] <rmjb> G'night
[06:42] <minghua> LaserJock: sorry, fop?
[06:42] <minghua> what is fop?
[06:42] <LaserJock> we use fop to create the pdfs
[06:43] <LaserJock> java xml to pdf
[06:43] <LaserJock> thingy
[06:43] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:43] <minghua> so fop is a software, hmm...
[06:44] <LaserJock> minghua: http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/
[06:44] <minghua> LaserJock: yeah, google found it too, thanks anyway
[06:49] <minghua> eh, fop was removed from debian ten days ago...
[06:49] <LaserJock> it was in Debian?
[06:49] <LaserJock> I'm sort of suprised
[06:49] <LaserJock> must have been in non-free
[06:50] <minghua> s/debian/debian testing/, sorry
[06:50] <minghua> LaserJock: it's in contrib
[06:52] <LaserJock> right
[07:12] <minghua> be back later
[07:41] <LaserJock> hmm, I sure hope my laptop doesn't melt before it's done upgrading
[07:46] <LaserJock> hmm, people must be out on a friday night.. weird
[07:48] <minghua> but I can't cool your laptop down anyway :-)
[07:49] <LaserJock> well, it's not as bad as when I had to put an icepack on it to boot
[07:49] <LaserJock> but it's pretty toasty
[07:50] <Plug> LaserJock: it's Saturday night! :P
[07:51] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:00] <imbrandon> heh
[08:02] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: how hot is it?
[08:02] <LaserJock> hot
[08:02] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:02] <Hobbsee> that doesnt tell me much
[08:02] <LaserJock> anytime I do a lot of IO and CPU stuff
[08:02] <ajmitch> Plug: you'll be interested to know that I'm hearing bug reports for your package as well
[08:02] <LaserJock> it gets hot
[08:03] <ajmitch> Toadstool: black helicopters are on their way to your house now
[08:03] <Toadstool> :)
[08:03] <imbrandon> heh
[08:03] <LaserJock> Toadstool: remember what country you're in
[08:04] <imbrandon> i was just thinking that, not a good thing to say in the USA
[08:04] <Toadstool> too late anyway
[08:04] <minghua> anybody with an up-to-date edgy give me a check for libxft2 version?  launchpad says its still 2.1.8.2
[08:04] <Toadstool> cya in a couple of years guys
[08:04] <ajmitch> haha
[08:04] <ajmitch> Toadstool: have fun in cuba
[08:04] <Lathiat> says 2.1.10-1ubuntu1 here
[08:04] <Toadstool> ajmitch: heh
[08:04] <minghua> Lathiat: thanks
[08:04] <Lathiat> i havent updated for a bit, tho
[08:04] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~$ apt-cache madison libxft2
[08:04] <imbrandon>    libxft2 | 2.1.10-1ubuntu1 | http://192.168.1.5 edgy/main Packages
[08:04] <imbrandon>    libxft2 | 2.1.10-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Packages
[08:05] <ajmitch> heh
[08:05] <ajmitch>     libxft | 2.1.8.2-0ubuntu2 | http://apt-proxy edgy/universe Sources
[08:05] <ajmitch> you may have seen that one
[08:05] <minghua> I see
[08:05] <lastnode> imbrandon, we have a working qt frontend now. :-)
[08:05] <imbrandon> cool
[08:05] <imbrandon> qt or kde ?
[08:05] <imbrandon> ( just curious )
[08:06] <lastnode> imbrandon, er qt
[08:06] <imbrandon> cool
[08:06] <lastnode> is there a kde specific gui framework?
[08:06] <lastnode> 0.o
[08:06] <imbrandon> qt apps can be built or kde apps ( that in turn use qt ) can be built
[08:06] <lastnode> anyway, it also submits to paste.ubuntu-nl.org now, and is easily extensible via pastebin 'modules'
[08:06] <minghua> so libxft2 is built by source package xft now
[08:07] <imbrandon> lastnode, cool
[08:07] <ajmitch> minghua: yes
[08:07] <lastnode> imbrandon, we're having some trouble packaging .py though. have a few questions so please ping when you're taking a breather. it wont take 2 mins.
[08:08] <imbrandon> heh , well this is the channell for py packing ;)
[08:08] <imbrandon> fire away i guess
[08:09] <lastnode> the deb python policy doesnt really say where it prefers modules and classes to be unpacked. i asked in -devel last night and mdz said definitely _not_ /usr/local
[08:09] <lastnode> (we understand that the bins should go in /usr/bin/)
[08:10] <LaserJock> lastnode: I think it will depend on if you use python-central or python-support
[08:11] <lastnode> LaserJock, ive been reading that bit in the deb py policy.  i guess ill just try and see
[08:11] <crimsun> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy  if you need additional hints
[08:11] <LaserJock> lastnode: have you seen the Debian wiki page for py policy?
[08:11] <LaserJock> heh
[08:12] <lastnode> LaserJock, ive been reading - http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/
[08:13] <lastnode> much thanks crimsun
[08:13] <Lathiat> ah awesome i just did a dist-upgrade
[08:13] <Lathiat> i think it restarted kdm
[08:13] <Lathiat> my X just went bang
[08:13] <Lathiat> doh
[08:13] <lastnode> imbrandon, would you like us to try and write a kde-frontend as well? or is a qt front ok?
[08:14] <imbrandon> nah qt is fine
[08:14] <imbrandon> i was just curious
[08:14] <imbrandon> sides my pykde skills arent great ;)
[08:15] <imbrandon> ( working on them though ;P )
[08:15] <lastnode> also, what is MOTU's policy on pre-stable release code. that's a no no for REVU right?
[08:15] <lastnode> imbrandon, actually a KDE dev volunteered, took our threading classes and wrote it in a jiffy
[08:16] <imbrandon> lastnode, i think by the time the universe repos open back up you will be ready to upload, when it gets closer to that time ( decemberish ) we'll take a closer look
[08:16] <lastnode> oh right, universe is closed now until edgy+1 ?
[08:16] <imbrandon> yea for NEW packages like yours
[08:16] <lastnode> that last minute rush of MOTU hunters was because it was closing, rght?
[08:16] <imbrandon> dont let that stop you from pushing ahead though
[08:17] <lastnode> imbrandon, a fedora guy came in #upstream that day, and said he'd like to make a .rpm for FC6-Extras
[08:17] <imbrandon> yup , we're in full bug mode now ( leaste I am )
[08:17] <lastnode> so he co the code and said he'd get back to me. nothing since then
[08:17] <imbrandon> cool , go for it, i dont see any readon only to limit it to ubuntu
[08:18] <imbrandon> reason*
[08:18] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:18] <imbrandon> awe its justa spec file ;)
[08:18] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:19] <LaserJock> me too
[08:19] <LaserJock> since I knew 0
[08:19] <imbrandon> true i havent made one in almost a year heh
[08:19] <ajmitch> it's been about 5 years for me
[08:19] <imbrandon> but i bet it wouldent take long to rember
[08:19] <ajmitch> in that time I learnt debian packaging :)
[08:20] <imbrandon> exactly heh
[08:20] <imbrandon> actualy i can do suse rpm's from what i'm told they are a tad diffrent from the redhat ones
[08:20] <imbrandon> never really looked though
[08:21] <imbrandon> they might only be diffrent in the way sarge debs are diffrent from ubuntu's not sure, never payed that much attn
[08:27] <Toadstool> checkinstall can do RPMs, no?
[08:27] <Toadstool> +s
[08:27] <imbrandon> hahaha
[08:28] <Toadstool> :p
[08:28] <imbrandon> we should make ubotu insta /kick on *checkinstall*
[08:28] <ajmitch> I agree!
[08:28] <imbrandon> s/we/seveas
[08:28] <ajmitch> where is seveas?
[08:28] <Toadstool> haha
[08:29] <imbrandon> btw its alien not checkinstall for the rpms ;)
[08:30] <Toadstool> right... I removed the "Vista ready" sticker from my new laptop and now there's glue all around the keyboard :/
[08:30] <imbrandon> alcahol
[08:30] <Toadstool> I think it's time for me to go to bed
[08:30] <imbrandon> or put a ubuntu badge there
[08:31] <Toadstool> and drink the alcohol! yay!
[08:31] <givre> Fujitsu: Hi, if you have some time to look at it and if it's possible, could you push http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3299, 20060920-0ubuntu1 was accepted yesterday and so is no more in NEW. That's could be great :). Thanks
[08:31] <Toadstool> ok... g'night everybody
[08:32] <imbrandon> gnight Toadstool
[08:32] <imbrandon> hum i wonder if gnash is useable
[08:33] <imbrandon> hum ajmitch you ever used a cross compiler with pbuilder ?
[08:35] <ajmitch> no
[08:35] <ajmitch> and I don't ever plan to
[08:35] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: stevenk does
[08:35] <Hobbsee> but he's not here
[08:35] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, cool
[08:35] <ajmitch> StevenK is on crack then :)
[08:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:35] <Hobbsee> yeah, well
[08:35] <imbrandon> i'm thinking its a mix with dpkg-cross etc etc etc
[08:35] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: in what way does he do cross-compiling?
[08:35] <Hobbsee> didnt we know that?  :P
[08:36] <imbrandon> yea whats he cross compiling ? hehe
[08:36] <ajmitch> imbrandon: possibly
[08:36] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: er, well, assuming i'm getting your meaning, he can build i386 debs on his amd64 with a i386 chroot
[08:36] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: ah, that's quite different than cross-compiling
[08:36] <ajmitch> I do that frequently
[08:36] <imbrandon> nah thats not real cross compile
[08:36] <imbrandon> yea me too
[08:37] <imbrandon> i mean building debs for ppc or arm , on a i386
[08:37] <imbrandon> arm == ipod , and ppc , well that would just rock
[08:37] <ajmitch> imbrandon: apparantly it's possible
[08:37] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ahhh
[08:37] <imbrandon> yea i see bits and pieces on the web about it
[08:38] <ajmitch> eg http://www.emdebian.org/slind/README
[08:38] <imbrandon> but not a full "howto" so i might be stuck figuring it out
[08:38] <imbrandon> nice, i think this might be the way to go on the ppc bulding as my ibook is SLOW building but ok to test
[08:38] <imbrandon> and it would just rock to compile apps for my ipod
[08:39] <imbrandon> dpkg and all
[08:39] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:39] <ajmitch> or you could do qemu :)
[08:39] <ajmitch> there was a recent post on planet debian about setting up an arm install in qemu
[08:39] <imbrandon> qemu ppc dont like 2.6.X kernels
[08:39] <imbrandon> ahh yea arm
[08:39] <imbrandon> nice , i'll have to dig that up
[08:40] <imbrandon> i already have a 2.4 linux install running on the ipod, it would just be a matter of getting dpkg installed and chrooting in etc
[08:40] <imbrandon> to add more apps and make it "idebian" or "ibuntu"
[08:40] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:41] <imbrandon> and at 4 gigs i shouldent have to worry about space
[08:41] <imbrandon> the truely portable debian system ;)
[08:42] <ajmitch> I'll have to try & dig it up, it's fallen off the front of planet
[08:42] <imbrandon> cool that would rock, i'm gonna see if i can dig up some more dpkg-cross info too
[08:43] <ajmitch> hm
[08:46] <ajmitch> google wins
[08:47] <Lathiat> awesome firefox crashes all of X everytime i scroll down nearly to the bottom of my works horde webmail
[08:47] <ajmitch> http://www.aurel32.net/info/debian_arm_qemu.php
[08:47] <imbrandon> ajmitch, sweet
[08:47] <Lathiat> to make life even better all gdb says is "Program exited with code 01"
[08:47] <Lathiat> so im assumign that its makign X die
[08:48] <Lathiat> and it sjust being killed after
[08:48] <ajmitch> Lathiat: haha, excellent
[08:48] <ajmitch> probably X driver bugs :)
[08:48] <Lathiat> admittedly i am running nvidia
[08:48] <ajmitch> signing the code of conduct on launchpad used to kill X for nvidia users
[08:48] <Lathiat> haha
[08:48] <ajmitch> since it was all on one line
[08:49] <ajmitch> triggered some bug
[08:49] <imbrandon> wow nice
[08:49] <Lathiat> if this works i'll cry
[08:50] <Lathiat> oh woo
[08:50] <Lathiat> it does
[08:50] <Lathiat> hrm 'all on one line' you say
[08:50] <Lathiat> i have some emails with a reallllyy long subject
[08:50] <Lathiat> that im guessing are beign cut off by the tbale possible
[08:50] <Lathiat> yep
[08:50] <Lathiat> i bet thats what it is
[08:51] <ajmitch> lucky you
[08:51] <Lathiat> yep
[08:51] <Lathiat> the subjet is 10,000 characeters long
[08:51] <Lathiat> incidentally
[08:51] <imbrandon> ajmitch, wow thanks for that link, thats not exactly what i intended to begin with but it will get me started
[08:51] <Lathiat> this e-mail which is 5M
[08:51] <Lathiat> and is the reuslt of request tracker looping emails for a few hours
[08:52] <Lathiat> make sclamav eat 70% of 2G of ram scanning it
[08:52] <Lathiat> and when it tries to scan 5 at once your machine stops working
[08:52] <Lathiat> and took our works mail cluster this morning
[08:52] <imbrandon> wow
[08:52] <imbrandon> looks like it bit your X too ;)
[08:53] <Lathiat> indeed
[08:53] <Lathiat> i nee dto keep this email
[08:53] <Lathiat> good for killing nvidia and clamav users
[08:53] <imbrandon> heh
[08:54] <ajmitch> yay for OOo!
[08:54] <ajmitch> just watching it kill X on my box
[08:55] <imbrandon> heh night for X to die or what
[08:55] <ajmitch> well, it's just pegging it at 100% CPU usage
[08:56] <ajmitch> damn
[08:56] <ajmitch> killing OOo didn't fix it
[08:59] <ajmitch> nice, killing X frees about 1.3GB of RAM
[08:59] <ajmitch> firefox & all :)
[09:00] <minghua> oh, the OOo in ubuntu goes 100% CPU too?
[09:00] <ajmitch> minghua: it caused X to do so, at least
[09:01] <minghua> ajmitch: the newest one in Debian does, too
[09:01] <ajmitch> excellent :)
[09:02] <ajmitch> hey raphink
[09:02] <ajmitch> the apps I care about (firefox, galeon) save their session, so X dying isn't a big deal :)
[09:02] <raphink> hi ajmitch :)
[09:03] <ajmitch> & the 6 or so emacs windows that were open :)
[09:13] <Fujitsu> givre, I'm looking at it now.
[09:14] <givr1> Fujitsu: Thanks :)
[09:16] <Fujitsu> givr1: Shouldn't that `linux' in the description of ntfs-3g be `Linux'?
[09:17] <Fujitsu> Not really important, but I like nitpicking :)
[09:18] <givr1> Fujitsu: right, i'll change that :)
[09:19] <Fujitsu> I'll change it, don't worry :)
[09:19] <givr1> Fujitsu: ok, thanks
[09:21] <Fujitsu> Uploaded, givr1.
[09:25] <givr1> Fujitsu: thanks for that ;)
[09:25] <Fujitsu> No problem.
[09:37] <imbrandon> whats the command to tell what package a file came from ?
[09:37] <minghua> dpkg -S
[09:37] <minghua> if it's installed
[09:37] <imbrandon> or better yet can i tell whats in the contents of a package thats NOT installed with apt ?
[09:37] <minghua> if not, look at apt-file package
[09:38] <minghua> dpkg -S handles that if it's installed by dpkg
[09:38] <ajmitch> dpkg-deb -c package.deb
[09:38] <ajmitch> to look inside a package you have
[09:39] <minghua> ah, it seems I misunderstood imbrandon
[09:41] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea but what about if you dont have the deb ( its installed on the system and the cache is clean )
[09:41] <imbrandon> i knew about dpkg-deb -c
[09:41] <ajmitch> as minghua said, dpkg -S to identify where a file is from
[09:42] <ajmitch> or dpkg -L to list files in a package
[09:42] <ajmitch> there's not really much more than that
[09:44] <imbrandon> ahh dpkg -L is what i wanted
[09:44] <imbrandon> thanks
[09:47] <pirast> hi, i have gto a question... i would like to have bug 57360 solved for edgy so i'd have to make a uvf.. but on the link it says that I'd have to upload it. But I do not have upload permissions to universe. what shall i do?
[09:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57360 in video-dvdrip "[debian-multimedia]  Sync dvdrip" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57360
[09:47] <LaserJock> \o/
[09:48] <LaserJock> pirast: get a MOTU to review it
[09:49] <pirast> LaserJock, to review what? the uvf or the package?
[09:49] <minghua> LaserJock: it's a sync from debian-multimedia
[09:49] <minghua> I don't know how that works
[09:49] <pirast> mhm
[09:50] <LaserJock> pirast: have a MOTU Media person look at it
[09:51] <pirast> LaserJock: mhm okay..
[09:58] <Fujitsu> I'm glad somebody filed a new upstream version request for mp[cd] , otherwise I wouldn't have discovered them. They're really really nice.
[09:58] <Fujitsu> It's actually useful to be a MOTU sometimes :P
[09:59] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:59] <LaserJock> I'm thinking perhaps I found out about them in a similar fashion
[09:59] <Fujitsu> I did the new version a couple of days back, not thinking much of it...
[10:00] <Fujitsu> Then this morning I realised that it actually looked quite useful.
[10:00] <imbrandon> mt-daap is too ;)
[10:01] <Fujitsu> Yeah, that looks good.
[10:01] <Fujitsu> I think I'll write DAAP client support for mpd... Hm..
[10:02] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: That makes sense actually.
[10:02] <Fujitsu> The DAAP client support?
[10:02] <TheMuso> Yeah
[10:02] <Fujitsu> Exactly why I plan on writing it :)
[10:03] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Do you know a lot of C?
[10:03] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, I've been programming in C/C++ for several years, so yes.
[10:03] <TheMuso> Ah right.
[10:09] <ajmitch> Lathiat: btw, seen bug 62872? :)
[10:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62872 in avahi "Avahi not started" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62872
[10:09] <ajmitch> initially filed on upstart, like every second bug is these days ;)
[10:11] <imbrandon> TARGET=powerpc-linux-gnu fakeroot debian/rules binary-cross > ../binutils.build 2>&1 || echo 'Build error'
[10:11] <imbrandon> gah
[10:12] <LaserJock> hmm, I really really do need to stop looking at the forums
[10:12] <imbrandon> lol LaserJock
[10:12] <LaserJock> darn that new Science subforum
[10:13] <imbrandon> gah ok i got to be missing someonth
[10:13] <imbrandon> something
[10:13] <imbrandon> ajmitch / LaserJock wanna check the sanity of this howto i'm following , its failing becosue it cant find ../configure blah blah blah
[10:13] <imbrandon> i'm sure its something i'm overlooking
[10:14] <LaserJock> "Ubuntu doesn't stick to the DFSG so it may choose to use both the logo and name from Firefox."
[10:15] <LaserJock> learning something new everyday ;-)
[10:15] <imbrandon> we do use the ff logo ( unless its a boo boo in the last update
[10:15] <imbrandon> )
[10:15] <LaserJock> imbrandon: URL?
[10:15] <imbrandon> http://psas.pdx.edu/DebianCrossCompilerHowto
[10:15] <LaserJock> imbrandon: but I don't think it's because we don't care about the DFSG
[10:15] <imbrandon> i'm at Build binutils
[10:15] <imbrandon> LaserJock, true
[10:16] <imbrandon> and fyi i s/gcc-4.0/gcc-4.1
[10:16] <imbrandon> but i'm not even to that part yet
[10:16] <imbrandon> so it shouldent be effecting me
[10:17] <imbrandon> here is the exact error
[10:17] <imbrandon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25276/
[10:17] <imbrandon> from the build log
[10:18] <imbrandon> looks like a well done how-to i'm just missing something i hope
[10:18] <imbrandon> becosue this would rock
[10:19] <LaserJock> is there a ./configure in the source dir?
[10:20] <imbrandon> no a tar
[10:21] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~/devel/cross-toolchain/binutils-2.17$ ls -l
[10:21] <imbrandon> total 13495
[10:21] <imbrandon> drwxr-xr-x 15 brandon brandon     1240 2006-09-30 03:01 binutils-2.17
[10:21] <imbrandon> -rw-r--r--  1 brandon brandon 13795751 2006-06-23 15:10 binutils-2.17.tar.bz2
[10:21] <imbrandon> drwxr-xr-x  2 brandon brandon       48 2006-09-30 03:16 builddir-powerpc-linux-gnu
[10:21] <imbrandon> drwxr-xr-x  4 brandon brandon      864 2006-09-30 03:01 debian
[10:21] <imbrandon> -rw-r--r--  1 brandon brandon     1487 2006-09-30 03:02 patch-stamp
[10:21] <imbrandon> -rw-r--r--  1 brandon brandon        0 2006-09-30 03:01 unpack-stamp
[10:22] <LaserJock> oh, that's wierd
[10:22] <tseng> imbrandon: you stole my username
[10:22] <LaserJock> haha
[10:23] <imbrandon> ahh yea i guess there is in the subdir
[10:23] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~/devel/cross-toolchain/binutils-2.17$ ls -l binutils-2.17/configure
[10:23] <tseng> also, it is 4:30 am wtf are you people doing
[10:23] <imbrandon> -rwxrwxrwx 1 brandon brandon 236820 2006-04-06 16:49 binutils-2.17/configure
[10:23] <LaserJock> that's why I just user mantha or laserjock
[10:23] <LaserJock> yeah, things are messed up there
[10:23] <LaserJock> ajmitch: that's why I got laserjock.us ;-)
[10:24] <imbrandon> huh ?
[10:24] <LaserJock> but I'm going to have to lock it down or you fanboys are going to use up all my bandwidtch
[10:24] <LaserJock> *width
[10:24] <ajmitch> that reminds me
[10:24] <imbrandon> gah dont tell me that hehe
[10:25] <LaserJock> imbrandon: does binutils-2.17/ have a configure
[10:25] <ajmitch> LaserJock: added your blog to planet yet?
[10:25] <imbrandon> lol
[10:26] <imbrandon> yes
[10:26] <LaserJock> ajmitch: umm, no. I don't know how/who
[10:26] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, see PlanetUbuntu on the wiki.
[10:26] <ajmitch> alright.. let's show him :)
[10:26] <LaserJock> and I need a hackergotchi too ;-)
[10:26] <ajmitch> we need him on the planet!
[10:26] <Fujitsu> Very easy, checkout and commit a bzr branch.
[10:26] <ajmitch> you have one on launchpad, don't you?
[10:26] <Fujitsu> (I did it for elkbuntu a while ago)
[10:26] <imbrandon> and if i just "debuild" it it works, so its something screwy with the command paths i'm gussing
[10:26] <LaserJock> ajmitch: umm, well
[10:27] <imbrandon> yea very simple
[10:27] <ajmitch> hm, not the photo of LaserJock which I've seen...
[10:28] <imbrandon> LaserJock, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu or me or Fujitsu can do it for you
[10:28] <imbrandon> but its easy
[10:28] <Fujitsu> Ja, I think I've even got the checkout here still.
[10:28] <LaserJock> I'll do it
[10:29] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yeah, I wanted to put something better
[10:29] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I don't want to lower the quality of planet with that bad pic
[10:29] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:29] <ajmitch> heh
[10:30] <LaserJock> how excellent, I can't figure out how to log into my blog :-)
[10:30] <imbrandon> http://laserjock.us/blog/?feed=rss2
[10:30] <ajmitch> LaserJock: where is your blog hosted?
[10:30] <LaserJock> on my site
[10:31] <imbrandon> LaserJock, Wordpress ?
[10:31] <LaserJock> yes
[10:32] <LaserJock> for some reason I think my theme doesn't show a place to log in
[10:32] <imbrandon> you removed the meta link, hahaha laserjock.us/blog/wp-login.php
[10:32] <Fujitsu> Yeah, the link is missing, yay.
[10:33] <imbrandon> good thing all wp logins are at the same url ;)
[10:33] <imbrandon> http://www.laserjock.us/blog/wp-login.php
[10:34] <LaserJock> hmm, well that's weird
[10:34] <TheMuso> Wow! Labels on tins of tuna are not lying when they say the flavour is chilli. :)
[10:35] <TheMuso> chili
[10:35] <imbrandon> ok ajmitch , deity guru, please help me, "debuild" works but from the howto " TARGET=powerpc-linux-gnu fakeroot debian/rules binary-cross > ../binutils.build 2>&1 || echo 'Build error' " dosent , e.g it cant find configure http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25276/
[10:35] <imbrandon> TheMuso, hehehe
[10:36] <ajmitch> you looked at it funny
[10:36] <imbrandon> chili flavored tuna ? wow
[10:36] <TheMuso> imbrandon: yeah
[10:37] <ajmitch> imbrandon: this is a stock binutils package?
[10:37] <imbrandon> ajmitch, does debuild change dir and run it or something ?
[10:38] <imbrandon> yup streight from edgy
[10:38] <imbrandon> just apt-get sourced it like the howto said , no changes
[10:39] <ajmitch> ok
[10:39] <TheMuso> aah my lips. :p
[10:39] <ajmitch> let me look
[10:40] <ajmitch> figures..
[10:40] <ajmitch> there is of course no configure
[10:40] <imbrandon> if i could get past this one part i'm sure i could set up a ppc pbuilder on i386
[10:40] <imbrandon> heh
[10:40] <imbrandon> the rest has gone incredably smooh and looks sane
[10:41] <LaserJock> hmm, well I have a start of a hackergotchi
[10:41] <ajmitch> ok, configuring
[10:41] <LaserJock> but I can't figure out how to do the shadow thing
[10:41] <imbrandon> there is in the subdir the tar unpacks
[10:41] <ajmitch> line 627 of debian/rules
[10:41] <ajmitch> 	    && env CC="$(CC)" ../binutils-2.17/configure --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) \
[10:41] <imbrandon> and it calls it correctly when "debuild" is used
[10:41] <ajmitch> I inserted the source dir name in there
[10:42] <ajmitch> debuild won't be doing the cross-compile targets
[10:42] <imbrandon> just not.... fakeroot debian/rules ......
[10:42] <lastnode> LaserJock, gimp has a filter
[10:42] <TheMuso> imbrandon: What are you needing to work with binutils for?
[10:42] <imbrandon> configuring with my command ?
[10:42] <ajmitch> imbrandon: debuild uses different parts of the rules file for a standard build
[10:43] <imbrandon> oh wow ok
[10:43] <imbrandon> right
[10:43] <ajmitch> my 'fix' may be completely crackful & wrong
[10:43] <imbrandon> TheMuso, ppc cross compiler
[10:44] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ahh
[10:44] <TheMuso> oooo
[10:44] <ajmitch> but it's built stuff
[10:44] <ajmitch> so I'll see what the end result is like
[10:44] <ajmitch> dpkg-deb: building package `binutils-powerpc-linux-gnu' in `../binutils-powerpc-linux-gnu_2.17-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb'.
[10:45] <imbrandon> well its working , we'll see how it go's ;)
[10:45] <ajmitch> dunno if it's useful or not
[10:46] <imbrandon> very cool , thats exactly what i was wanting
[10:46] <imbrandon> btw all serouisness couldent this be used to make a 32bit firefox in a amd64 deb ? i just thought about that
[10:47] <ajmitch> hrwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2006-09-30 20:44 ./usr/powerpc-linux-gnu/bin/nm link to ./usr/bin/powerpc-linux-gnu-nm
[10:47] <imbrandon> i mean thats not what i'm doing obviously
[10:47] <ajmitch> you need 32-bit libs
[10:47] <imbrandon> but ....
[10:47] <ajmitch> that's what this whole flamewar is about
[10:47] <slomo> imbrandon: in theory yes... you only need all libraries that it depends on...
[10:48] <imbrandon> oh well once i get my ppc pbuilder on i386 going i'll much with that
[10:48] <imbrandon> wow ok, nevermind, i'll just stick to my ppc cross compiler ;)
[10:48] <imbrandon> heh
[10:49] <imbrandon> will make compiling debs for my lappy much faster i hope
[10:49] <imbrandon> and give Fujitsu and Hobbsee access to a ppc pbuilder ;)
[10:52] <TheMuso> imbrandon: What did you have to do? I would be interested in that also, and I also think it is worth writing up as I am sure many motus could benefit from that.
[10:52] <TheMuso> A couple of times I have built stuff in an i386 pbuilder with no problems, but it has failed in ppc.
[10:52] <TheMuso> But my ppc machine is somewhat slow.
[10:53] <TheMuso> It would be nice to have a pbuilder on my P4 for ppc. :)
[10:53] <ajmitch> i386 on amd64 is absolutely no problem, because it's basically the same arch, and the processor handles it
[10:53] <ajmitch> cross-compiling is always harder
[10:53] <imbrandon> TheMuso, definately , let me finish it up here then i'll modify the howto i'm following to work on edgy and post it
[10:54] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Cool thanks heaps.
[10:54] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Yeah I know.
[10:54] <TheMuso> I have read about it a bit in the past.
[10:54] <imbrandon> yea its a bunch of trickery but it dosent look hackish tbh
[11:29] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yes this whole /etc/deafult thing is causign some fun
[11:29] <Lathiat> has anyone made it handle upgrades yet?
[11:29] <Lathiat> i havent looked
[11:36] <imbrandon> oh man this is a pain
[11:37] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you knew it wouldn't be easy
[11:38] <imbrandon> heh yea
[11:38] <imbrandon> i'm gonna keep at it this time though
[11:38] <imbrandon> i've tried 2 or 3 other times and gave up
[11:40] <Fujitsu> Is there any reason that mt-daapd hasn't been packaged?
[11:45] <imbrandon> maybe becouse its fairly new, who knows
[11:45] <imbrandon> runs fine on my dapper server though ;)
[11:48] <slomo> Fujitsu: it's in NEW in debian
[11:48] <Fujitsu> slomo, aha!
[11:49] <slomo> Fujitsu: and it wasn't packaged before because of non-free code
[11:49] <Fujitsu> OK, thanks.
[11:49] <ajmitch> as is usual with this sort of thing
[11:53] <Lathiat> ajmitch: interestingly whatever konq does vs firefox makes that long subject in horde not crash
[12:06] <xopher> How should I name a package versioned 0.32.0 rc2 ?
[12:07] <Fujitsu> 0.32.0~rc2, I believe.
[12:07] <Fujitsu> I'm pretty sure, at least.
[12:07] <xopher> ok, thanks
[12:42] <Cimi> Hi all I need to talk with a manteiner please
[12:42] <Cimi> it's important
[12:43] <ajmitch> maintainer of what?
[12:43] <Cimi> x11?
[12:44] <ajmitch> if there's a bug, it's best handling by filing it on launchpad
[12:44] <Cimi> it's a package to add
[12:45] <ajmitch> main & universe are frozen for new packages
[12:45] <ajmitch> what is this package?
[12:46] <Cimi> gtk2-engines-murrine
[12:46] <Cimi> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com/msg03122.html
[12:47] <Cimi> Mark shuttleworth said me to ask here
[12:47] <ajmitch> as we've just gone into universe freeze, you'd need to get the approval of the UVF team
[12:47] <Cimi> is mark in the UVF team?
[12:47] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: your a motu?
[12:47] <ajmitch> file a bug on launchpad requesting it, assign/subscribe motu-uvf
[12:48] <ajmitch> explain your case in there
[12:48] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: motu & core dev, why?
[12:48] <gnomefreak> oh yeah
[12:48] <gnomefreak> how would you feel about packaging a package :)
[12:48] <Cimi> ajmitch, could you do it by me?
[12:48] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF
[12:48] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, ajmitch is core ;)
[12:48] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: what package are you wanting now?
[12:48] <gnomefreak> lol @ now
[12:48] <gnomefreak> canoe
[12:48] <gnomefreak> and kanoe
[12:49] <ajmitch> never heard of it
[12:49] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: hold on
[12:49] <Cimi> ajmitch, could you ask UVF team for me?
[12:49] <imbrandon> Cimi, i just read the mail from mark, that was prior to the freeze
[12:49] <lastnode> gnomefreak, here already
[12:49] <ajmitch> Cimi: you can probably better explain your case
[12:49] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: im grabbing the creator now
[12:49] <ajmitch> http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[12:49] <Cimi> was hours ago!
[12:49] <gnomefreak> nvm hes already here :)
[12:49] <Cimi> I was sleeping!
[12:49] <imbrandon> ajmitch, thats those lastnode things
[12:50] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, it was post-freeze.
[12:50] <imbrandon> he has been working on
[12:50] <lastnode> :-)
[12:50] <ajmitch> imbrandon: right, so it's already packaged, I don't need to touch it?
[12:50] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: lastnode made a package and i would like an easy way for people to test this so we can try to slip it in edgy+!
[12:50] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: its svn
[12:50] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, i told him when it got near time to add them ( december ) i would
[12:50] <lastnode> ajmitch, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream has a basic spec, https://svn.sf.net/svnroot/upstream/trunk is where the trunk is.
[12:50] <ajmitch> Cimi: you have a package for it ready to go into universe?
[12:50] <imbrandon> Cimi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF
[12:50] <lastnode> right now we have a base and two working frontends
[12:51] <gnomefreak> iomi understand but i would like a pretty long testing period and now many people can do svn's
[12:51] <Cimi> ajmitch, I'm not an ubuntu user
[12:51] <imbrandon> still needs a uvf ;)
[12:51] <ajmitch> ah, so you're requesting it be packaged first, and then get approval?
[12:51] <Cimi> ajmitch, but it's not difficult since the steps for install it are the same as ubuntulooks
[12:51] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: yes
[12:52] <gnomefreak> this is to help with pastebins. making it easier for new users (new users cant install from svn)
[12:52] <gnomefreak> maybe
[12:52] <lastnode> ajmitch, gnomefreak suggested we try and get it maximum exposure and break it as much as possible, so by the time universe opens it'll be quite stable.
[12:53] <imbrandon> ahh ajmitch the mail from mark was informing him to come here and poke someone to package it and put it in universe, he is upstream and has no time to do so
[12:53] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yes, I just saw that
[12:53] <lastnode> ajmitch, ive been working with imbrandon from the start, so it's pretty well modularized. (as in imbrandon has been giving design advice)
[12:54] <ajmitch> lastnode: ok, so why ask me to handle it instead of imbrandon ?
[12:54] <imbrandon> heh
[12:54] <lastnode> ajmitch, gnomefreak just said he'd ask a MOTU. :-)
[12:54] <ajmitch> Cimi: do you at least have an url to a tarball?
[12:54] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: is kicking but on kubuntu stuff
[12:54] <gnomefreak> butt.
[12:55] <imbrandon> lastnode, i'll poke at it tomarrow and package it up for you , then we'll see about putting it in my personal repo on imbrandon.com to test it for universe un-freeze in december , OK ?
[12:55] <imbrandon> lastnode, me and ajmitch are both MOTU and core-dev's ;)
[12:55] <lastnode> imbrandon, that would be sweet. once you package it, if you give me the rules file etc, i can just package every internal release and send it over. thanks.
[12:55] <imbrandon> heh
[12:55] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: if a MOTU is already helping, it's probably best that he keep doing so rather than jumping to me :)
[12:55] <lastnode> imbrandon, yeah, i knew that. but gnomefreak said you'd be busy with kubuntu stuff.
[12:56] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Hows the cross-compile happenin?
[12:56] <lastnode> anyway thanks guys, cheers!
[12:56] <imbrandon> but as i said its been a very long day and i have gcc compiling atm , so i'll do a svn checkout tomarrow and package it up for testing of the world
[12:57] <imbrandon> we're all busy ;) but i'll make some time
[12:57] <lastnode> imbrandon, sure, and after that i guess i can look at your rules and update deps accordingly and package? because there are some minor bugs that need to be fixed before we release this .deb
[12:57] <imbrandon> TheMuso, still churing on gcc atm, if that all go's we'll theres only one more step
[12:57] <lastnode> sure, i understand that
[12:57] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:57] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: how did koffice go?
[12:57] <TheMuso> imbrandon: cool
[12:58] <imbrandon> TheMuso, i ran into a small hitch about 30 minutes ago but got it fixed up
[12:58] <imbrandon> TheMuso, the howto i'm following is for woody so i'm having to adapt a bit ;)
[12:58] <TheMuso> Right
[12:59] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, it dident, i never got it totaly done ( as it take amost 6 hours to compile )
[12:59] <imbrandon> lastnode, yup that will be fine
[12:59] <gnomefreak> ack
[01:00] <lastnode> sweet
[01:00] <imbrandon> wow lots of red on the screen ( name hilights )
[01:00] <imbrandon> ajmitch,  heeeeeeeeeellllp
[01:00] <imbrandon> lol
[01:01] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you'll live
[01:02] <imbrandon> heh
[01:02] <imbrandon> i wanna test it
[01:02] <imbrandon> heh
[01:03] <imbrandon> ahh crap it ftbs
[01:07] <imbrandon> ajmitch, any idea where its looking for this limits.h ? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25289/
[01:08] <ajmitch> linux-libc-dev
[01:08] <ajmitch> which are arch-specific, I think
[01:09] <imbrandon> yea i have libc6-dev-powerpc installed
[01:09] <imbrandon> i think *looks*
[01:10] <ajmitch> not libc-dev
[01:10] <ajmitch> this is the old linux-kernel-headers package
[01:10] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~/devel/cross-toolchain$ dpkg -l|grep powerpc
[01:10] <imbrandon> ii  binutils-powerpc-linux-gnu                    2.17-1ubuntu1                        The GNU binary utilities, for powerpc-linux-
[01:10] <imbrandon> ii  libc6-dev-powerpc-cross                       2.3.6-0ubuntu20                      GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Hea
[01:10] <imbrandon> ii  libc6-powerpc-cross                           2.3.6-0ubuntu20                      GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
[01:10] <imbrandon> ii  linux-headers-2.6.17-10-powerpc-cross         2.6.17-10.24                         Header files related to Linux kernel version
[01:10] <imbrandon> iU  linux-headers-2.6.17-10-powerpc-powerpc-cross 2.6.17-10.24                         Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.17 on 3
[01:11] <ajmitch> not linux-headers-* either :)
[01:12] <imbrandon> hum
[01:15] <imbrandon> ok so i need an OLD header ?
[01:16] <ajmitch> don't ask me
[01:16] <imbrandon> i'm missing something here , maybe cuz i'm tired
[01:16] <ajmitch> and I'm trying to do a rush packaging job again
[01:16] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:18] <imbrandon> ohhhh wait  i'm missing a dep too , shiznit
[01:18] <imbrandon> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libc6-dev-powerpc-cross (>= 2.3.6-7) libc6-dev-ppc64-powerpc-cross (>= 2.3.6-7)
[01:18] <imbrandon> ajmitch, for ?
[01:19] <ajmitch> ah, StevenK is here
[01:19] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I'm looking at that murrine theme for some reason
[01:20] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:20] <imbrandon> heya StevenK
[01:21] <imbrandon> crap i was doing the wrong libc6 anyhow /me gets 2.4
[01:22] <imbrandon> StevenK, cross compiling tool chains are FUN ;)
[01:23] <StevenK> Oh no it isn't.
[01:31] <TheMuso> Hey StevenK.
[01:31] <TheMuso> And *that* is not fun.
[01:31] <StevenK> TheMuso: No? The Desktop CD doesn't want to talk?
[01:32] <TheMuso> I can get the installer to talk, but there are large chunks that are not accessible at all.
[01:33] <TheMuso> Wow fun!
[01:34] <TheMuso> When attempting to write the partition table, somethign happened which I can simply *NOT* get orca to read, and now the installer has frozen.
[01:34] <TheMuso> I now know why I always chose to install using the alternate CD.
[01:35] <TheMuso> At least the partition table got written.
[01:36] <Hobbsee> hey all
[01:36] <ajmitch> hello miss hobbs
[01:36] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee.
[01:37] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[01:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:42] <TheMuso> I'm going to see if the installer freezes at the same spot like it did before. I restarted, but it still froze, and that was with no partitioning done.
[01:42] <TheMuso> Wondering if its accessibility related.
[01:46] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ahhh much saner list this time with no build dep issues http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25293/ , gcc compiling again , hopefully gonna work this time
[01:46] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:51] <TheMuso> aha!
[01:51] <Fujitsu> 'tworks?
[01:51] <TheMuso> Nope.
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Died in the same place?
[01:51] <TheMuso> I think I have an idea about what is causing the freezing problem.
[01:51] <TheMuso> Something to do with the accessibility framework.
[01:51] <TheMuso> Now I just have to work out what longs/etc I might need to report this bug.
[01:52] <TheMuso> I am going to ensure I can reproduce from a fresh boot first.
[02:03] <TheMuso> Yep, its accessibility alright.
[02:04] <Fujitsu> That does seem to break a fair few things...
[02:04] <Fujitsu> Is it gparted that's exploding?
[02:04] <TheMuso> DOn't know exactly.
[02:04] <TheMuso> It happens when I press on the forward button.
[02:05] <TheMuso> I don't think it is partitioning specific, because earlier it saved my partition scheme and then froze when I told it to continue.
[02:05] <imbrandon> hum whats the easiest way to check what package provides a file ( not one i have installed or i wouldent need the package heh )
[02:05] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, look at apt-file, or use p.u.c.
[02:05] <Fujitsu> (packages., not planet. :P)
[02:06] <imbrandon> right ;)
[02:07] <TheMuso> I think I'll just file a bug about what happens and take it from there.
[02:10] <ajmitch> imbrandon: rush-job package being pushed to revu now
[02:10] <ajmitch> just had to sort out some theme inclusions
[02:12] <ajmitch> but whatever..
[02:12] <imbrandon> heh
[02:12] <imbrandon> kk
[02:12] <ajmitch> daylight saving starts tonight for us
[02:13] <ajmitch> so 1 hour less sleep
[02:13] <ajmitch> yay
[02:13] <imbrandon> ajmitch, what ya make of this .... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25297/
[02:13] <Fujitsu> Another month for us, I believe.
[02:13] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I believe it doesn't like you
[02:14] <imbrandon> ouch
[02:14] <ajmitch> that should be provided by the appropriate libc6-dev-* package
[02:14] <ajmitch> :1:> dlocate -S /usr/include/gnu/stubs-64.h
[02:14] <ajmitch> libc6-dev: /usr/include/gnu/stubs-64.h
[02:14] <imbrandon> hahah somehow i beleave you, this isnt a cakewalk
[02:15] <imbrandon> haha but its NOT gonna beat me
[02:15] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:15] <ajmitch> you'll go home a broken man...
[02:15] <imbrandon> yea it is , and installed
[02:15] <imbrandon> see the ls below
[02:16] <imbrandon> 13. brandon@horatio:~/devel/cross-toolchain$ ls -l /usr/powerpc-linux-gnu/include/powerpc64-linux-gnu/gnu/stubs-64.h
[02:16] <imbrandon> 14. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 594 2006-09-15 14:20 /usr/powerpc-linux-gnu/include/powerpc64-linux-gnu/gnu/stubs-64.h
[02:16] <ajmitch> note that dir isn't in the list of directories to use for inclusion
[02:17] <imbrandon> hum
[02:17] <ajmitch> imbrandon: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3300
[02:17] <ajmitch> go for it
[02:18] <ajmitch> interesting, 64K .diff
[02:18] <imbrandon> k
[02:18] <ajmitch> that really does explode out a bit
[02:18] <ajmitch> only 4k compressed
[02:19] <ajmitch> sorry, 7k
[02:19] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:19] <ajmitch> oh, I should drop the echo in the rules file
[02:20] <ajmitch> no big problem
[02:20] <ajmitch> & usr/sbin from debian/dirs
[02:20] <ajmitch> past midnight
[02:20] <zul> meh..
[02:21] <ajmitch> zul!
[02:21] <zul> hey ajmitch how is it going?
[02:21] <imbrandon> heh i was just about to say, late for us both
[02:21] <zul> early for me
[02:22] <imbrandon> heya zul
[02:22] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea other than the two things you mentioned look ok to me, although i dont know much about gnome themes ( as in where they go etc )
[02:23] <ajmitch> it's in the right place
[02:23] <ajmitch> I checked that before throwing them in
[02:23] <ajmitch> themes work, etc
[02:23] <imbrandon> auto cruft but thats normal stuff
[02:24] <ajmitch> what autocruft?
[02:24] <ajmitch> the .diff has no config.*
[02:24] <imbrandon> cool yea looks good to me thne
[02:24] <Fujitsu> Looks sane.
[02:24] <imbrandon> then*
[02:25] <ajmitch> someone beg for UVF then, I'm off to bed
[02:25] <Fujitsu> As long as it actually installs in the right place, looks fine.
[02:25] <imbrandon> the linda stuff
[02:25] <Fujitsu> Oh dear, not a UVFe.
[02:25] <imbrandon> about maurine having autoconf files
[02:25] <zul> heh i parsed that as ufie
[02:25] <imbrandon> hum dunno what she is complaining about then
[02:26] <imbrandon> slomoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[02:26] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:26] <ajmitch> probably in the orig.tar.gz
[02:27] <imbrandon> siretart, poke poke
[02:27] <ajmitch> looks to be the case
[02:27] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch
[02:27] <imbrandon> heh
[02:27] <Hobbsee> and you're clearly *not* sleeping
[02:27] <Fujitsu> Hey Hobbsee.
[02:27] <Fujitsu> You snuck in again.
[02:27] <Fujitsu> Bye, ajmitch.
[02:28] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:28] <imbrandon> yea me too, we might have to slip this one in tomarrow , unless Hobbsee wants to be kind
[02:29] <Hobbsee> i'm not doing nothing.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: can do it.
[02:29] <Fujitsu> I've not done a UVFe before...
[02:29] <imbrandon> gnight all /me is ZzZzzZZzz time also
[02:29] <Fujitsu> But it shouldn't be hard, with `Mark said so.' :P
[02:29] <Fujitsu> See ya, imbrandon.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> hah
[02:30] <imbrandon> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com/msg03122.html  is the mail url if you want it
[02:30] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, ^^
[02:30] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[02:31] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, I've had that open since it was last sent :)
[02:31] <TheMuso> Ok. Bug filed. That was fun.
[02:31] <Fujitsu> He really should get his facts straight.
[03:00] <StevenK> TheMuso: What's the bug number?
[03:00] <TheMuso> Bug #63162
[03:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63162 in ubiquity "Ubiquity crashes after partitioning step with accessibility enabled." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63162
[03:02] <Fujitsu> :O
[03:02] <Fujitsu> That can't be right.
[03:02] <Fujitsu> A useful bug summary.
[03:03] <TheMuso> heh
[03:04] <TheMuso> Trouble is, there are a lot of bugs, and most have summaries that are hard to work out without reading the description.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: and kamion prefers to see them all, and work with them himself
[03:06] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Yeah I know that.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[03:38] <siretart> imbrandon: pong
[03:46] <Hobbsee> siretart: imbrandon went to bed a couple of hours ago
[03:55] <zul_> 09:53 < imbrandon> this isnt the place for that disscussion though
[03:55] <tseng> good one
[03:56] <tseng> 19:52 < Viper550> Noticed no one was responding in ubuntu-artwork, so I thought  I'd pimp my new Usplash theme here
[03:56] <tseng> there you have it.
[04:33] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:35] <Kyral> its....him....the god....BDDEBIAN!
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Kyral: bow!
[04:36] <Kyral> I was already
[04:36] <bddebian> Hi Kyral, not hardly :-(
[04:36] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[04:36] <Kyral> oh Hobbsee check out KDE-Apps
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Kyral: you've made more?
[04:36] <Kyral> Someone actually went and patched my app and sent me it so I can include it
[04:38] <Kyral> (Find "fuseisomount"
[04:39] <siretart> Hobbsee: oh, I've just seen his highlight on me..
[04:40] <Hobbsee> siretart: :)
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Kyral: nice :)
[04:40] <Kyral> Also got bored and submitted my URLPaste script for Konv to the site (for shits and giggles)
[04:40] <Kyral> I am dev hear me roar
[04:42] <sistpoty> hi folks
[04:43] <Kyral> Hobbsee: I would say "feel free to package" but it is meant to be installed on a per user basis
[04:44] <iXce> hi
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Kyral: yeah, fair enough
[04:53] <iXce> hmm when a package does not build, what should I do please?
[04:54] <iXce> https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/249222
[04:55] <Hobbsee> iXce: find why it doesnt build, fix the problem, then the fixed versoin uploaded.
[04:55] <iXce> Hobbsee : i'm not the maintainer :o)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> you dont have to be.   but i would leave that one to zul_
[04:56] <Riddell> ubuntu doesn't have maintainers
[04:56] <iXce> Maintainer: Chuck Short
[04:56] <iXce> that's what i'd have called a maintainer, but maybe it's just launchpad internals :)
[04:57] <sistpoty> iXce: he's the maintainer as in "created the package (and usually cares for it)", but anyone else can upload a fix for it as well
[04:57] <iXce> oh ok
[04:58] <sistpoty> (though I personally wouldn't exactly touch anything xen related *g*)
[04:58] <iXce> i thought there were a kind of "sponsoring" like in debian, where normal guys can only send their fix to real maintainers
[04:59] <Riddell> no
[04:59] <iXce> okay :)
[04:59] <Riddell> and maintainers can be "normal guys" too :)
[04:59] <iXce> :)
[05:00] <iXce> that's why ubuntu is great :)
[05:00] <sistpoty> it has is drawbacks as well... like nobody being responsible for some packages ;)
[05:00] <sistpoty> s/being/feeling/
[05:01] <iXce> you can't have everything  ^^
[05:01] <sistpoty> exactly
[05:01] <iXce> xen-source-2.6.16 2.6.16-11.2 (tar) [117MB] 
[05:01] <iXce> huge source :/
[05:02] <iXce> oh yeah the problem sounds obvious
[05:02] <iXce> Wireless LAN drivers (non-hamradio) & Wireless Extensions (NET_RADIO) [N/y/?]  n
[05:02] <iXce> RaLinkTech Experimental drivers (RT_EXP) [N/y]  (NEW) aborted!
[05:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: they cant be green bug eyed aliens though :(
[05:09] <iXce> lol
[05:13] <iXce> hm it'll take ages to recompile that package :s
[06:03] <phanatic> good afternoon
[06:05] <iXce> hi
[06:05] <iXce> zul ?
[06:06] <Hobbsee> heya
[06:07] <bddebian> Heya phanatic
[06:07] <phanatic> heya bddebian
[06:08] <ash211> anybody know where syncs from kcontrol-autostart come from?
[06:08] <ash211> bug 44786 could be fixed with a sync
[06:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44786 in beagle "beagle.xpi should not be gzipped" [Low,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44786
[06:08] <ash211> sorry, bug 44784
[06:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44784 in kcontrol-autostart "kcontrol-autostart removes "Type=Application" from every desktop file in ~/.kde/Autostart" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44784
[06:09] <zul> iXce: yep
[06:10] <iXce> zul : hi
[06:10] <iXce> are you aware that the latest xen-source failed to build on i386?
[06:10] <iXce> https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/249222
[06:11] <zul> yes working on 2.6.17 right now
[06:11] <iXce> oh ok :)
[06:11] <iXce> so i can give up on debugging the 2.6.16 one?
[06:11] <zul> yep
[06:12] <iXce> okay :)
[06:12] <iXce> any ETA? ^^
[06:12] <zul> x86 is alrady done im trying to debug amd64 now
[06:12] <iXce> okay :) great!
[06:49] <LaserJock> hmm, this maxima bug really stinks
[07:00] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yeah it does
[07:01] <LaserJock> TeXmacs is also affected
[07:01] <LaserJock> so we have at least 3 frontends rendered unusable in both Dapper and Edgy
[07:03] <tseng> Suggests: vim
[07:04] <tseng> that should fix things
[07:05] <zul> or nano
[07:13] <ivoks> ajmitch: thanks for taking care of libburn
[07:36] <LaserJock> argg
[07:36] <LaserJock> sometimes I hate FLOSS development
[07:46] <zul> Lathiat: hmmm?
[07:47] <zul> i meant LaserJock
[07:48] <LaserJock> well
[07:48] <LaserJock> 1 sentence on planet.u.c just got me in big trouble with KDE
[07:49] <zul> heh well what did you say?
[07:50] <LaserJock> it wasn't even me
[07:50] <ivoks> :)
[07:50] <ivoks> LaserJock: well, i had jdub slashing on me :)
[07:50] <LaserJock> "Travis, Pete, and some more people started their work on Gallium, replacement for Kalzium, and we can already see some usable results."
[07:51] <zul> oh the edubuntu thing
[07:51] <LaserJock> now it's on a blog and 2 MLs that I'm the devel
[07:51] <LaserJock> devil even
[07:51] <zul> heh
[07:52] <LaserJock> this is the first FLOSS (or software period) project I've really tried to do
[07:52] <LaserJock> We have a LP page and like 2 days of hacking
[07:54] <LaserJock> I don't even know how to respond really, I'm in shock
[07:56] <ivoks> LaserJock: lol, don't take it so harsh
[07:56] <ivoks> LaserJock: this is quite normal...
[07:59] <LaserJock> yeah, but I've got the creators of KDE-Edu and Kalzium all over me
[08:00] <LaserJock> and I wasn't even trying to threaten them
[08:00] <LaserJock> heh
[08:00] <LaserJock> blog comments are interesting sometimes as well
[08:02] <LaserJock> ouch
[08:06] <ivoks> LaserJock: what's your blog url?
[08:09] <LaserJock> well, http://www.laserjock.us/blog/
[08:09] <LaserJock> but it doesn't have anything on it really
[08:10] <ivoks> i see :)
[08:12] <Amaranth> LaserJock: What?
[08:17] <LaserJock> Amaranth: we got slammed for gallium
[09:31] <ajmitch> morning
[09:31] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[09:31] <phanatic> hi ajmitch
[09:32] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[09:34] <ajmitch> so did anyone bother to file a UVF bug as I requested last night?
[09:35] <tseng> who me?
[09:35] <ajmitch> no
[09:35] <ajmitch> fujitsu, hobbsee, etc
[09:35] <tseng> damn aussies
[09:36] <bddebian> heh
[09:37] <ivoks> hi ajmitch
[09:37] <ivoks> ajmitch: thanks (libburn)
[09:37] <ajmitch> ivoks: yes, I was wanting to talk to you about that one..
[09:38] <ivoks> ajmitch: i was too busy these month (i even packaged that in couple of minutes :/)
[09:38] <ajmitch> I could tell
[09:38] <ivoks> heh
[09:38] <ajmitch> at least try & use REVU next time so that you don't upload broken stuff
[09:39] <ivoks> sorry, my mistake
[09:44] <rmjb> hi, is there anyone on that worked on the packaging guide at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html ?
[09:47] <rmjb> i want to know if there's a known error in chapter 4, because I think I ran through it correctly and debuild -S gives a warning
[09:50] <LaserJock> rmjb: I'm the author
[09:51] <LaserJock> rmjb: what warning did you get?
[09:51] <rmjb> ah, okay
[09:52] <rmjb> top o the page says to use dh_make to copy the source tarball and it gets copied to hello_2.1.1.orig.tar.gz
[09:52] <rmjb> but when run debuild -S it says it expects hello-debhelper_2.1.1.orig.tar.gz
[09:52] <rmjb> dunno if this is expected or I'm missing something
[09:53] <rmjb> the page I'm working on is http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html
[09:56] <theCore> oh, that my section
[09:57] <bddebian> Anyone know of some decent C code that checks if a file is a gzip archive?
[09:59] <rmjb> bddebian: the "file" command returns file types... there should be something in there
[09:59] <theCore> rmjb, ok, I know what is the problem
[09:59] <LaserJock> rmjb: ohhh
[09:59] <theCore> rmjb, the package is named hello-debhelper
[09:59] <LaserJock> yes
[10:00] <rmjb> yeah, I changed it in the control file
[10:00] <rmjb> as recommended
[10:00] <theCore> rmjb, so, you need to rename the orig file to hello-debhelper_2.1.1.orig.tar.gz
[10:00] <LaserJock> the orig.tar.gz. should be http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/27154.html#comments
[10:00] <LaserJock> argg
[10:00] <LaserJock> hello-debhelper_2.1.1.orig.tar.gz
[10:01] <theCore> rmjb, mv hello-2.1.1.tar.gz hello-debhelper_2.1.1.orig.tar.gz
[10:01] <rmjb> okay, I thought so, just making sure I didn't miss someting
[10:01] <rmjb> yeah got that... thanks
[10:01] <rmjb> gtg
[10:01] <theCore> hmm
[10:02] <theCore> not really true
[10:02] <theCore> LaserJock, why `apt-get source hello-debhelper'
[10:02] <LaserJock> to get hello-debhelper
[10:03] <Q-FUNK> crimsun: thanks for the Ack's. :)
[10:03] <theCore> LaserJock, yeah, but why?
[10:03] <LaserJock> becuase I'm showing debhelper
[10:03] <theCore> LaserJock, to compare the packages?
[10:06] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes, I saw that kalzium thing earlier :)
[10:19] <bddebian> rmjb: Thx
[10:33] <zul> wheee...
[10:33] <zul> and there was much rejoicing
[10:33] <zul> xen-image-xen0-2.6.17-1-generic-xen0_2.6.17-1_amd64.deb
[10:33] <iXce> hm?
[10:34] <ajmitch> congrats, zul :)
[10:35] <iXce> yeah congrats & thanks :)
[10:41] <zul> so who is handling uvf today?
[10:42] <LaserJock> ok, well that's sort of done
[10:45] <pygi> hey jdong
[11:07] <rmjb> hey guys, thanks for the guidance on the packaging guide, catch you all later