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| lucasvo | anyone know what's the hype about "Pixel image editor"? It's not even open source! | 12:41 |
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| LaserJock | lucasvo: I have no idea what you're talking about | 12:54 |
| lucasvo | LaserJock: digg, http://digg.com/software/Potential_Photoshop_killer_Pixel | 12:56 |
| LaserJock | hmm, that is odd | 12:58 |
| LaserJock | I hear "we need a photoshop replacement" a fair amount | 12:58 |
| lucasvo | yes | 01:01 |
| lucasvo | someone needs to push GIMP | 01:01 |
| lucasvo | pixel screenshots look quite good | 01:01 |
| lucasvo | too bad it's closed source | 01:01 |
| lucasvo | I am afraid that it will steal gimps market share. | 01:01 |
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| pygi | hey HedgeMage ;) | 01:14 |
| pygi | night | 01:35 |
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| HedgeMage | wb RichEd | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | heh | 03:56 |
| HedgeMage | Hrm, must have been his auto-re-up not a real him | 03:57 |
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| kgoetz | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPMultiboot should this page be reverted? its been 'cleaned' | 05:14 |
| kgoetz | hm. was that the right link though... *checks* | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | kgoetz: what do you mean by "cleaned" | 05:38 |
| kgoetz | sorry, was afk. i went to the page in the edubuntu wiki, which was blank, and didnt redirect me. then i went and looked a few minutes later, and i got that link, which is valid | 05:41 |
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| LaserJock | man, this will never end | 06:45 |
| kgoetz | can someone tell me how to remove all the ssh keys on the ltsp server+in the chroot? i'm having logging in issues, i'm wondering if its keys | 06:45 |
| kgoetz | i just sudo rm'ed the keys, and dpkg-reconfigued the server, not sure what going to happen now though :) | 06:55 |
| highvoltage | i think i's sudo update-ltsp-sshkeys | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | hi highvoltage | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | isn't it a bit early for you? | 07:09 |
| kgoetz | thanks highvoltage , doesnt seem to have helped, i'll have to look for another reason :| | 07:10 |
| highvoltage | it's 07:09 atm | 07:10 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: hi to you to :) isn't t a bit late for you on that side? | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | 10:10 pm | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | still dealing with Gallium fallout a bit | 07:11 |
| highvoltage | kgoetz: what happens when you trie to log in, does ldm just kick you out again? | 07:11 |
| kgoetz | highvoltage: yes | 07:11 |
| highvoltage | you might have to restart the thin client after running update-ltsp-sshkeys | 07:11 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: eesh | 07:11 |
| kgoetz | and the only reference i found online so far is 'your on your own, go read some logs' : | 07:11 |
| kgoetz | i have, it didnt help :( | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: there are 38+ comments on the Kalzium author's blog | 07:12 |
| === kgoetz debates re-crating teh chroot, perhaps it wil help :| | ||
| LaserJock | highvoltage: most of them fairly full of misinformation | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | but I hopefully corrected the misinformation without fueling the fires ;-) | 07:13 |
| highvoltage | what's that link to the blog again? I'd like to catch up a bit | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/ | 07:14 |
| kgoetz | perhaps i should try a different client. it might be a conflict from teh server against the pc i plugged in - but why is beond me | 07:21 |
| kgoetz | can ubuntus LTSP handle USB mice? | 07:23 |
| === kgoetz tries to think of x-error causes | ||
| highvoltage | kgoetz: yes, they should work out of the bo | 07:24 |
| highvoltage | x | 07:24 |
| kgoetz | well it cant be that then :| | 07:24 |
| kgoetz | i dotn have an lts.conf, so it cant be anything in there causing issues. | 07:25 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: are you abandoning gallium based on their reaction? | 07:25 |
| highvoltage | kgoetz: does X also not want to start now? | 07:26 |
| kgoetz | highvoltage: no, x still starts, its teh login thats stil the problem, sorry, i should watch how i say stuff | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: not based on their reaction but based on a discussion between Travis, Pete, and I and the gchemutils developer | 07:27 |
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| LaserJock | I didn't realize he already had been working on a periodic table app | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | although their reaction does make me wish I had never suggested gallium | 07:28 |
| highvoltage | ok | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | I still believe we need a good set of Gnome chemistry apps | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | but I believe gchemutils already has made good strides there | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | but they have had a hard time getting into Debian/Ubuntu | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | anyway, having a problem with Gallium is one thing, attacking Edubuntu is taking it too far, IMO | 07:30 |
| === highvoltage agrees | ||
| LaserJock | anyway, it's sort of a frustrating thing, but I guess that's FLOSS | 07:36 |
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| LaserJock | hi cbx33 | 07:43 |
| cbx33 | hi | 07:45 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: I see a lot of people talking on that blog post and lots of strong reactions from some KDE fanbois | 07:45 |
| === kgoetz finishes reading blog, mutters 'get over it already', and closes tab | ||
| cbx33 | good good | 07:45 |
| Burgundavia | it is sad that you get fanbois of any stripe | 07:46 |
| cbx33 | yes | 07:46 |
| cbx33 | i wish it were over | 07:46 |
| kgoetz | anyone know what time ogra arives here? | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia | kgoetz: soonish | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia | except it is Sunday there | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia | cbx33: and nobody even mentioned the real reason behind all of this: space savings | 07:47 |
| kgoetz | sunday here as well. only time i can do LTSP deplyments | 07:47 |
| cbx33 | nope | 07:47 |
| cbx33 | well | 07:47 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, did in the emal | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm sorta over it | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | I'd rather have gotten a positive experience out of this | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | but I think we are better off helping gchemutils | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | it is 1 guy doing a lot of work | 07:49 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | I'm still shocked that 1 sentence in a planet.u.c post could do so much | 07:49 |
| highvoltage | imho it sounded like a good idea from a technical viepoint to use the data from kalzium | 07:49 |
| cbx33 | i know | 07:49 |
| highvoltage | but if it's resulting in this much hostility then it's probably not worth while | 07:50 |
| cbx33 | I was ..... gob smacked at it all last night | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: yes, they wanted us to use more then just data | 07:50 |
| Burgundavia | cbx33: how hard was that wine stuff? | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: and actually the data isn't particularly Kalzium's | 07:51 |
| highvoltage | it isn't? | 07:51 |
| highvoltage | geez | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | it's part of a chemistry open standards, open data project | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | called Blue Obelisk | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | as I found out today ;-) | 07:51 |
| highvoltage | aaah | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | both kalzium and gchemutils use it | 07:52 |
| highvoltage | well that's great then | 07:52 |
| cbx33 | Burgundavia, not hard at all | 07:52 |
| Burgundavia | cbx33: just need the latest wine stuff? | 07:53 |
| cbx33 | in fact as I'm talking to you guys I'm tabbing over to CS:Source ;) | 07:53 |
| cbx33 | yup | 07:53 |
| kgoetz | o_0 | 07:53 |
| cbx33 | full screen ;) | 07:53 |
| kgoetz | 0_o | 07:53 |
| cbx33 | 1024x758 | 07:53 |
| kgoetz | not in wine? | 07:53 |
| cbx33 | yes in wine | 07:53 |
| kgoetz | *blink* - pinches self | 07:53 |
| cbx33 | 40-60 fps | 07:54 |
| cbx33 | in most places | 07:54 |
| kgoetz | ab-so-lute-ly cool | 07:54 |
| cbx33 | indeed | 07:54 |
| Burgundavia | what is your video card? | 07:54 |
| === kgoetz might have to get his account back off a mate | ||
| cbx33 | Burgundavia, it's actually not that great | 07:54 |
| cbx33 | Nvidia 7300 GT OC | 07:54 |
| cbx33 | the 7300 series is the bottom of the pile | 07:54 |
| === kgoetz grin | ||
| kgoetz | you people with money - all the same ;) thats friggin fast | 07:55 |
| cbx33 | but then I do also have a 4200 X2 proc ;) | 07:55 |
| cbx33 | kgoetz, it was a bday present from like everyone I know | 07:55 |
| kgoetz | nice :) | 07:55 |
| cbx33 | just mobo proc ram and hdd | 07:55 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 07:55 |
| kgoetz | :) | 07:56 |
| cbx33 | no way i could have afforded it | 07:56 |
| === kgoetz feels better | ||
| cbx33 | heheh | 07:56 |
| cbx33 | I'm gonna write another blog post | 07:56 |
| cbx33 | Bye Bye Bill - I can now be M$ free !! | 07:56 |
| kgoetz | :) | 07:57 |
| === kgoetz should probably get lunch while he waits for ogra , perhaps that would be a beter use of my time then simply chatting :) | ||
| cbx33 | it feels damn good to be able to say that | 07:58 |
| kgoetz | cbx33: i havent played CS for ~12, 18 months. that was the last time i ran windows on my desktop :) | 07:58 |
| cbx33 | well i installed XP on my new machine | 07:58 |
| === highvoltage has been MS-free for 3 years now :) | ||
| kgoetz | highvoltage: :)wd | 07:59 |
| cbx33 | but had no activations left | 07:59 |
| highvoltage | :) | 07:59 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, allright smarty pants ;) | 07:59 |
| highvoltage | but I still use some proprietary software :/ | 07:59 |
| === cbx33 was an avid gamer before I met you guys | ||
| === kgoetz only used linux properly since ubuntu, then one day doze killed his ubuntu, so he removed doze :) | ||
| highvoltage | (on some computers) | 07:59 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, I still use photoshop | 07:59 |
| === kgoetz uses binary drivers | ||
| === cbx33 too | ||
| === kgoetz washes hands clean | ||
| cbx33 | if GIMP would finally get adjustment layers I could get rid of photoshop too | 08:00 |
| highvoltage | I still us proprietary firmware, adobe flash plugin, and sun java runtime environment | 08:00 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, yup me too | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | ah, he is human ;-) | 08:00 |
| kgoetz | hehe | 08:00 |
| cbx33 | some things are still necessary I believe | 08:00 |
| highvoltage | on some PCs I am free of all of those, and I'm 100% OSS | 08:00 |
| highvoltage | but for work I need to have flash and java :/ | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | I need acrobat | 08:01 |
| kgoetz | highvoltage: you recompile your kernel to remove firmware? ;) | 08:01 |
| cbx33 | y? | 08:01 |
| cbx33 | to write or read? | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | read | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | and fill out forms | 08:01 |
| kgoetz | if you dont your only 99.5% oss ;) | 08:01 |
| highvoltage | kgoetz: in ubuntu you can just remove the restricted kernel modules | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | gotta love universities and alll the forms | 08:01 |
| cbx33 | ahhh | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | you can't just prnt them out then ;) | 08:02 |
| === kgoetz installed adobe at work recently, hope the thign lets people edit pdfs | ||
| highvoltage | kgoetz: ubuntu seperates te non-free and fee kernel modules, so you don't have to recompile | 08:02 |
| kgoetz | highvoltage: kernel modules yes, binary firmware no | 08:02 |
| kgoetz | i should probably have kept that joke to myself : | 08:02 |
| kgoetz | * :| | 08:02 |
| highvoltage | kgoetz: I use rm quite liberally :) | 08:02 |
| kgoetz | :) | 08:02 |
| === kgoetz rebuilds ltsp chroot :| | ||
| LaserJock | ok, off to bed | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | good night | 08:07 |
| kgoetz | night mate :) | 08:07 |
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| highvoltage | night Laser_away | 08:07 |
| highvoltage | may the laser be with you | 08:07 |
| Laser_away | heh | 08:08 |
| cbx33 | As LaserJock said a lot of good has come out of this gallium business but why are there some people like that | 08:10 |
| cbx33 | it makes it hard on OSS communities | 08:10 |
| kgoetz | i was amused by some 'thats so not oss mentality' comments | 08:11 |
| kgoetz | when its probably mroe oss mentality then their own ;) | 08:11 |
| cbx33 | This line really gets my goat "Now, this could just be a small group scratching their own itch and not really going anywhere, but the fact it is led by a member of the Edubuntu council does raise my eyebrows a little." | 08:13 |
| cbx33 | argh | 08:13 |
| cbx33 | silly people | 08:13 |
| cbx33 | well I'm off out | 08:14 |
| kgoetz | heh. yeh :( | 08:14 |
| cbx33 | back later | 08:14 |
| kgoetz | later mate :) | 08:14 |
| cbx33 | keep it real guys | 08:14 |
| kgoetz | :) | 08:14 |
| kgoetz | can i view the man pages of packages in ubuntu online? | 08:17 |
| Burgundavia | kgoetz: most of the man pages have not changed in decades and can be googled | 08:17 |
| Burgundavia | there is no Ubuntu location, however | 08:17 |
| kgoetz | ok, thanks. *investigates* | 08:18 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.pyweek.org/e/PyAr2/ <-- typing, made interesting | 08:23 |
| Burgundavia | Laser_away: package it!@ | 08:24 |
| kgoetz | 4 hours stuck on 1 problem. this is just upsetting :| | 08:28 |
| kgoetz | brb | 08:28 |
| highvoltage | kgoetz: when you ran ltsp-update-sshkeys, did the command run? | 08:29 |
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| kgoetz | highvoltage: yes, and i just recreated the chroot, and its still failing to log in | 08:30 |
| === kgoetz dist-upgrades chroot | ||
| highvoltage | it sound like some kind of authentication problem, but I can't imagine what could possibly cause it | 08:32 |
| kgoetz | buger. i suppose i have to wait for ogra... and hope hes willing to help on his sundays :| | 08:32 |
| highvoltage | he sometimes drops in on sundays, so it's quite possible | 08:33 |
| === kgoetz has today and tomorrow to get this place running :|. | ||
| kgoetz | hence my worrying about lost time | 08:33 |
| highvoltage | what did you choose as IP address for the server? | 08:33 |
| kgoetz | 192.168.0.2 | 08:34 |
| highvoltage | does it have more than one network card inside? | 08:34 |
| kgoetz | yes, but i dont remember off the top of my head if the 2nd is enabled. 'll check in a moment | 08:34 |
| highvoltage | perhaps you could try putting in an lts.conf file tha contains: | 08:34 |
| highvoltage | [default] | 08:35 |
| highvoltage | SERVER = 192.168.0.2 | 08:35 |
| highvoltage | I *think* that if it's not spesified it defaults to 192.168.0.254 for logins | 08:35 |
| kgoetz | well, its wortha shot :) | 08:35 |
| kgoetz | so etc/ltsp/lts.conf? | 08:36 |
| highvoltage | but accordig to our documentation it shoudl just work like you have it too :) | 08:36 |
| kgoetz | it worked fine in testing, wont work in production - heard that before? ;) | 08:36 |
| highvoltage | /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf | 08:36 |
| highvoltage | kgoetz: all the time ;) | 08:36 |
| kgoetz | :D | 08:36 |
| kgoetz | i susepct the root of my problem is that i'm using existing infrastructure, and putting ltsp on top - not installinga clean server, with ltsp | 08:37 |
| kgoetz | brb. clients in another room | 08:38 |
| highvoltage | that sometimes causes some problems, but if your clients boot as far as they currently are, then you've already overcome most of them, if not all | 08:39 |
| kgoetz | i agree, exept for the bit where its not working ;) | 08:40 |
| kgoetz | brb. forgot [default] in teh onfig file. try 2 | 08:40 |
| kgoetz | still no love :( *goes to find list of options for lts.conf* | 08:43 |
| kgoetz | my dhcp server gives the client in qustion ip 30 (because i asked it to), thats outside the standard dhcp range (60-75), is that ok? | 08:49 |
| highvoltage | that should be fine | 08:49 |
| kgoetz | ta | 08:50 |
| highvoltage | this isn't something I've tested before.. | 08:50 |
| highvoltage | but can you give yourself a root account in the chroot, log in on the local workstation and test if you can ssh to the server as a normal user? | 08:50 |
| kgoetz | er, i'll check in a moment | 08:52 |
| kgoetz | brb. testing | 08:53 |
| kgoetz | hm. i have ldm.log :) | 09:00 |
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| kgoetz | Connection to 192.168.0.2 closed by remote host.^M | 09:02 |
| kgoetz | :( | 09:02 |
| highvoltage | have you tried creating a new user and loggin in with that? | 09:03 |
| kgoetz | yeh, it failed (this was earlier in the day, fwiw) | 09:04 |
| kgoetz | you any good at diagnosing ssh problems? | 09:05 |
| === kgoetz has the log, but isnt really sure wahth use it is :| | ||
| kgoetz | perhaps tern on ssh logging on the server will give some info | 09:06 |
| kgoetz | Logging | 09:10 |
| kgoetz | with a DEBUG level violates the privacy of users and is not recommended. | 09:10 |
| kgoetz | :o | 09:10 |
| kgoetz | pretty hardcore | 09:10 |
| kgoetz | ssh seems to be perfectly happy with my login. i suppose it must be PAM/login thingy thats messing up | 09:17 |
| === kgoetz suspects whatever handles logins. but bbl. geting fooood | ||
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| kgoetz | if i want to ask a questiona bout ubuntu ltsp, but not edubuntu, should i do that on ubuntu-users or edubuntu-dev? | 11:09 |
| lucasvo | kgoetz: no, for the muekow implementation of ltsp in *ubuntu this is the correct place to ask | 11:32 |
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| Tunic_ | Anybody want to try and help me with an ltsp issue? | 12:36 |
| pygi | Tunic_: you should ask, then we'll see if we can help :) | 12:36 |
| Tunic_ | :) | 12:36 |
| Tunic_ | basically, I have half a dozen thin clients here | 12:36 |
| Tunic_ | and they boot over the network just fine | 12:37 |
| Tunic_ | but when I get to the desktop login, the keyboards cease to function | 12:37 |
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| Tunic_ | although the mouse(s)/mice still work | 12:37 |
| === TeePOG greets everyone | ||
| Tunic_ | my associate here is still hacking away at the server box with no joy, while I use the boss' windows laptop to trawl the internet in search of inspiration and/or assistance | 12:39 |
| Tunic_ | the keyboards work in text mode, too. Just not once the desktop loads. We've tried it with xdm, kdm, gdm and ldm. | 12:40 |
| Tunic_ | we've also tried applying every fix google could yield, not that there were very many of them. | 12:40 |
| Tunic_ | any ideas would be welcome at this point | 12:46 |
| pygi | hm, that's weird | 12:46 |
| Tunic_ | damn right it is | 12:46 |
| Tunic_ | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2006-March/000119.html <-- that's about the most helpful thing we could find, and it didn't work. | 12:47 |
| TeePOG | i know ubuntu's now officially in edgy... how's ubuntu? evrything running OK? or should I wait before I upgrade my production server? | 01:23 |
| highvoltage | TeePOG: wait. tectonic is wrong, edgy has not been launched yet | 01:30 |
| TeePOG | thanks, i was on my way back to correct myself | 01:30 |
| highvoltage | :) | 01:30 |
| TeePOG | oh yah highvoltage, ltns, how are you? | 01:30 |
| highvoltage | just got back from the gym... recovering :) | 01:32 |
| TeePOG | nice.. i'm still working... will gym when i'm retired [or when i can afford to not work 24/7] | 01:33 |
| highvoltage | I can't either, but last year I got a wake-up call when I had some health problems. | 01:38 |
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| TeePOG | hmm ok... i've been lucky in that regard | 01:42 |
| pygi | TeePOG: and edgy is running smoothly for now :) | 01:42 |
| pygi | hey folks | 01:42 |
| TeePOG | hey pygi | 01:42 |
| TeePOG | i'm still going to wait for a while before upgrading to edgy on my servers | 01:43 |
| pygi | right :) | 01:44 |
| pygi | wise decision :) | 01:44 |
| TeePOG | anyway, i'm playing with a few distros atm, so i've got little enough time on my hands | 01:47 |
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| ogra | kgoetz, can the users log in via gdm locally on the server ? | 02:36 |
| kgoetz | ogra: yes | 02:37 |
| kgoetz | and via gdm started with 'X -query server' from teh clients, but not through ldm | 02:37 |
| ogra | whats in .xsession-errors ? | 02:37 |
| kgoetz | half a tic, i'll pull it up | 02:38 |
| kgoetz | Xsession: X session started for kgoetz at Sun Oct 1 21:26:50 CST 2006 | 02:38 |
| kgoetz | No profile for user 'kgoetz' found | 02:38 |
| ogra | ok, there is two things you can do | 02:38 |
| TeePOG | i had that... had to format/reinstall | 02:39 |
| ogra | create a default profile for every user in sabayon | 02:39 |
| ogra | or sudo apt-get remove sabayon | 02:39 |
| ogra | as you like | 02:39 |
| === kgoetz removes sabayon | ||
| ogra | sabayon doesnt let users log in remotely if they arent in a default profile | 02:39 |
| kgoetz | btw TeePOG , dont say that | 02:39 |
| kgoetz | oh, ok | 02:39 |
| TeePOG | ogra: is sabayon still only available in edgy? no backports? | 02:39 |
| ogra | sabayon is avaliable since breezy iirc | 02:40 |
| TeePOG | sorry kgoetz i misunderstood the problem... same error msg, different cause | 02:40 |
| kgoetz | TeePOG: i dont want to hear that - i'v been dreading doign that all day, thats all ;) | 02:40 |
| ogra | TeePOG, the "No profile for user ..." is a sabayon message ... | 02:40 |
| TeePOG | strange... i could swear someone told me that sabayon is only from edgy | 02:40 |
| kgoetz | ogra: back in 5 min, client i want to test on is in another room | 02:41 |
| kgoetz | TeePOG: well, its installed on this dapper box :O) | 02:41 |
| kgoetz | *gone* | 02:41 |
| ogra | TeePOG, might be you mix that up with student-control-panel | 02:41 |
| TeePOG | that's weird ogra since that system i had to redo, didn't have sabayon | 02:41 |
| TeePOG | pehaps ogra | 02:41 |
| ogra | sabayon isnt installed in edubuntu at all (not even in edgy) | 02:41 |
| ogra | as long as we dont have a set of profiles we wont install it due to that bug | 02:42 |
| TeePOG | so it's not quite working? | 02:42 |
| kgoetz | oooooooooooooooooggggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 02:43 |
| kgoetz | *hugs* | 02:43 |
| TeePOG | 0.0 | 02:43 |
| kgoetz | that was it! | 02:43 |
| TeePOG | feel the man love in this chan | 02:43 |
| kgoetz | i owe you a large number of beers ;) | 02:43 |
| ogra | :) | 02:43 |
| kgoetz | :) | 02:43 |
| ogra | i need to do a troubleshhoting FAQ on the wiki i guess :) | 02:43 |
| kgoetz | i was only stuck on that questio for 8 hours :) | 02:44 |
| ogra | right, and the solution takes 30secs | 02:44 |
| kgoetz | less :) | 02:44 |
| ogra | :) | 02:44 |
| === kgoetz will grovel more thanks tomorrow - i have another 1.5 hours of today i want to spend deploying boxes :) thanks mate | ||
| === TeePOG is also off working... bbl | ||
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| Zico | hi, I'm trying to install edubuntu and I got problem when 79% of base system has been installed.. at that moment it is trying to install usplash | 03:09 |
| Zico | alt-f3 doesn't indicate any problems | 03:09 |
| Zico | installation just gets jammed there | 03:09 |
| Zico | how can I tell installation not to install usplash? | 03:09 |
| Zico | same problem comes also with ubuntu alternate installation cd | 03:10 |
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| |Danielle| | Nace una nueva red IRC: irc.ubuntuzone.org . Para conectarte: irc.ubuntuzone.org puerto 6668 | 03:29 |
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| ogra | Zico, edgy ? | 03:42 |
| Zico | 6.06 lts .. is that dapper or edgy? | 03:51 |
| ogra | thats dapper | 03:51 |
| Zico | ubuntu alternate was 6.06 | 03:51 |
| Zico | edubuntu i tried was the latest | 03:51 |
| ogra | how does it fail ? | 03:51 |
| Zico | install goes nicely until installing usplash... | 03:52 |
| ogra | can you file a bug and attach /var/log/installer/syslog to it ? | 03:52 |
| Zico | then no progress | 03:52 |
| ogra | (make it world readable before) | 03:52 |
| Zico | hmm, haven't done filing bugs before.. i don't know linux very well | 03:53 |
| Zico | just know that I've succesfully installed ubuntu on other computers | 03:53 |
| Zico | i was wondering if there is some reason why it stops, and i could somehow skip that part | 03:53 |
| Zico | google told something that usplash is some fancy thing, that is not necessary or something | 03:54 |
| ogra | we could find out why it stops with the log :) | 03:54 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug | 03:55 |
| ogra | just describe what happens (seems not edubuntu related if the problem shows up in ubuntu on the same machine) | 03:55 |
| Zico | so can I use ctrl-alt-del and then use some live linux cd and find that syslog from hd? | 03:55 |
| Zico | or should I get that syslog during install using alt-f2 and then something? | 03:56 |
| ogra | that should work, yes | 03:56 |
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| TeePOG | wbg RichEd | 04:11 |
| TeePOG | *wb | 04:11 |
| highvoltage | hiehie | 04:27 |
| highvoltage | lol | 04:27 |
| highvoltage | hahahaha | 04:27 |
| highvoltage | http://folk.uio.no/lrisan/SkoleLinux/test4.html | 04:27 |
| highvoltage | that web page layout looks *extremely* familiar :) | 04:27 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 05:52 |
| highvoltage | howdy mr debian! | 05:52 |
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| carsten | Moin moin | 05:54 |
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| carsten | <---- Kalzium-carsten :) | 05:54 |
| highvoltage | hi carsten | 05:57 |
| highvoltage | ogra pinged out a while back, I think he lost his connection :/ | 05:58 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock is probably sleeping right now :) | 05:58 |
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| highvoltage | glad to see you here though, the kalzium/gallium thing has caused some unhappiness on both sides. hopefully you can do something about it? :) | 05:59 |
| carsten | no clue :) | 06:00 |
| carsten | highvoltage: I wrote a mail to blueobelisk another to edubuntu-devel@ or something | 06:01 |
| highvoltage | ok | 06:01 |
| highvoltage | I think you just being here is good. There are many possible synergies between edubuntu and kde-edu, as Anne-Marie pointed out. | 06:02 |
| carsten | yes | 06:03 |
| carsten | I am always in IRC btw, cniehaus@jabber.org for jabber | 06:03 |
| highvoltage | fwiw, we use kde-edu in 200 schools here in south africa and it rocks :) | 06:03 |
| highvoltage | ok great | 06:03 |
| carsten | my school uses suse 9.1 or something, that doesn't rock :( | 06:04 |
| highvoltage | :( | 06:04 |
| highvoltage | last time I used SuSE it was quite nice. I've never used it in a school environment though. | 06:04 |
| highvoltage | what is SuSE bad at? | 06:04 |
| highvoltage | heh, well, perhaps this is not /the/ best time to pimp edubuntu, but edgy certainly seems to be rocking | 06:05 |
| highvoltage | especially with the new LTSP it has built-in. | 06:05 |
| carsten | 9.1 is a) old and b) seems to have major start-up isses. | 06:05 |
| carsten | issues | 06:05 |
| carsten | it takes ages to boot a pc | 06:05 |
| highvoltage | ah yes. | 06:06 |
| highvoltage | that kind of sucks :/ | 06:06 |
| carsten | but we cannot easily changeto something better because we lack the manpower to administer all those pcs | 06:09 |
| carsten | and of course the time to do the switch. So we keep it "running" as long as possible which sucks because that mostly means nobody uses the pcs | 06:10 |
| highvoltage | I've seen that happen in a bunch of schools before :( | 06:15 |
| highvoltage | lack of manpower is a serious problem in many schools, unfortunately. | 06:16 |
| carsten | yes | 06:19 |
| carsten | we have one teacher who gets 22.5 min a week to administer 200+ pcs :) | 06:19 |
| highvoltage | ouch!! | 06:20 |
| jbrefort | in my school, we have two full time techs and one half-time teacher, but thy do not know free software :( | 06:20 |
| highvoltage | in our schools the educators don't know free softwar either | 06:20 |
| highvoltage | but we mangle the menus so that certain administrative functions aren't available (so that they can't break certain things) | 06:21 |
| highvoltage | and we do some things to help them help themselves | 06:21 |
| lucasvo | Wow, I am stunned. Suddenly all that chatter about gallium/kde/gtk and all that to the user meaningless crap... | 06:21 |
| highvoltage | for example, we put in a troubleshooter in the web interface in the lab: www.jonathancarter.co.za/projects/xola | 06:22 |
| lucasvo | hi carsten! | 06:23 |
| lucasvo | funny, kalzium was about the first application I played around with on my suse 8 when I was a little kid :) | 06:24 |
| lucasvo | I still remember it quite good | 06:24 |
| highvoltage | I first saw Kalzium in Red Hat 9 / K12LTSP. It has certainly come a long way since then. | 06:26 |
| pygi | hello carsten | 06:45 |
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| carsten | re | 07:39 |
| carsten | highvoltage: : re | 07:39 |
| carsten | highvoltage: : you and some other guy said something to me... as I am in winblows I lost all IRC-logs/content | 07:40 |
| carsten | it seems after 5 min of inactivity this computer cuts the connections to the router and while at it closes all apps including this stupid Miranda-thing | 07:40 |
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| Dr_Bollokovski | lo peeps | 07:47 |
| pygi | carsten: pasting... | 08:08 |
| pygi | <highvoltage> I first saw Kalzium in Red Hat 9 / K12LTSP. It has certainly come a long way since then. | 08:08 |
| pygi | <pygi> hello carsten | 08:08 |
| carsten | well, not the slightest idea when RH9 came out | 08:10 |
| carsten | couldn't even tell if it was 2003 or 2005 :) | 08:10 |
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| pygi | carsten: I don't think it was 2005 really :P | 08:12 |
| pygi | carsten: it seems it's 07/04/2003 | 08:14 |
| carsten | well, yeah. Then Kalzium improved a lot :) | 08:15 |
| pygi | 3 years is a lot =) | 08:16 |
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| OMGWTFBBQ25 | hello | 09:57 |
| pygi | hey OMGWTFBBQ25 | 09:58 |
| === OMGWTFBBQ25 put an edubuntu LiveCD into a comp at school, booted it up, and left it in there | ||
| OMGWTFBBQ25 | I did it for the lulz | 09:58 |
| OMGWTFBBQ25 | I'm an Ubuntu user | 09:58 |
| OMGWTFBBQ25 | but I made some of the Edubuntu LiveCDs | 09:58 |
| OMGWTFBBQ25 | it's actually a really nice OS | 09:58 |
| OMGWTFBBQ25 | I was slightly surprised | 09:59 |
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| pygi | hey LaserJock | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | 328oh man, it never ends ;-) | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | s/328// | 10:53 |
| pygi | 328 what? | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | nothing, typo | 10:55 |
| pygi | oh, oki :P | 10:55 |
| pygi | LaserJock: I see there was a big mess and personal attacks on lot of people :'( | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | yes well | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | it happens | 10:57 |
| === pygi is higly sorry for even mentioning Gallium :( | ||
| LaserJock | that's ok | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | like I said before | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | it's better to have this at the very beginning | 10:58 |
| pygi | that's why no need to blog about apps anyone is working on | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | well, maybe stick to ones that have a website ;-) | 10:58 |
| pygi | nah, might get attacked again | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | people thought we were uncollaborative | 10:59 |
| pygi | that's what I went throught with libburn also | 10:59 |
| pygi | now we are at such a stage that wodim wants to mimic cdrskin (our cdrecord emulator based on libburn) | 10:59 |
| pygi | I can show you some mails, and public riots against me if you'd like :) | 11:00 |
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